The Incomparable

134: Obligatory Cannibalism


00:00:04   the incomparable number 134 april twenty [TS]

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00:00:11   we're back with another edition of the [TS]

00:00:13   incomparable understand smell your host [TS]

00:00:15   and this is an addition of our book club [TS]

00:00:17   joining me today to talk about books [TS]

00:00:18   that will depress you because they're [TS]

00:00:20   about the end of the world the [TS]

00:00:21   apocalypse sadness and airplanes are [TS]

00:00:24   Scott McNulty I Scott but there's a dog [TS]

00:00:27   in here is also a dog we should fire off [TS]

00:00:30   the spoiler horn before we say what [TS]

00:00:32   happens to the dog likes Friedman is [TS]

00:00:37   also here hi Lex yeah there's a dog but [TS]

00:00:40   there's also a baby on a spit so let's [TS]

00:00:42   not get too optimistic [TS]

00:00:44   mm that's not that's in a different book [TS]

00:00:45   that wasn't it yeah okay but I'm just [TS]

00:00:47   saying as a collective these two books [TS]

00:00:49   have been really depressed when book has [TS]

00:00:50   a dog in one book as well that sounds [TS]

00:00:52   like a very different books 1 because a [TS]

00:00:53   dog one book has a baby on the spit [TS]

00:00:55   that's very very different but they're [TS]

00:00:58   not that different well okay maybe they [TS]

00:00:59   are also joining me is John syracuse hi [TS]

00:01:03   John [TS]

00:01:04   why would books about the end of the [TS]

00:01:06   world depress you don't see that finding [TS]

00:01:09   celery could be Leslie we've discussed [TS]

00:01:12   your views of the Apocalypse previously [TS]

00:01:14   i'll admit right away that the thing [TS]

00:01:17   that impresses me most about any book [TS]

00:01:18   dealing with the end of the world as [TS]

00:01:19   hell ill-prepared I would be for set and [TS]

00:01:23   how i would simply die I would be in the [TS]

00:01:25   first wave of people to die no matter [TS]

00:01:26   what you're what they call the one of [TS]

00:01:28   the lucky ones like yeah go early [TS]

00:01:30   yeah that's the way i think i said on [TS]

00:01:32   our last apocalypse book club when Lisa [TS]

00:01:34   was here and we were talking about that [TS]

00:01:35   that collection that I'm that a is [TS]

00:01:38   Robert Kirkman who wrote The Walking [TS]

00:01:40   Dead what he would do in the case of a [TS]

00:01:42   zombie apocalypse and he said hang [TS]

00:01:43   myself I'm not gonna snow now I want to [TS]

00:01:47   live through that are you kidding me [TS]

00:01:49   that would be awful but both of the [TS]

00:01:51   books that we're talking about tonight [TS]

00:01:52   are about the apocalypse more or less [TS]

00:01:56   and one of them is booked by this is our [TS]

00:01:59   recent selection is a book from 2012 by [TS]

00:02:03   Peter Heller called the dog stars which [TS]

00:02:06   I read over the holidays i think i got [TS]

00:02:08   it for Christmas so I read it read it [TS]

00:02:10   early this year liked a lot nominated [TS]

00:02:12   for Hugo or didn't win didn't get [TS]

00:02:15   nominated [TS]

00:02:15   well and what we're gonna talk about [TS]

00:02:18   that and then we're also going to talk [TS]

00:02:19   about a more of a classic novel from [TS]

00:02:21   2006 Cormac McCarthy's the road which is [TS]

00:02:23   super depressing but [TS]

00:02:25   also super grade but we'll get to that I [TS]

00:02:27   thought we'd start by talking about the [TS]

00:02:28   more recent book the dog stars which you [TS]

00:02:33   know I've been listening to the the the [TS]

00:02:35   flophouse podcast long enough that I [TS]

00:02:37   want to do a lengthy lengthy plot [TS]

00:02:40   synopsis with lots of wacky jokes but [TS]

00:02:42   I'm not nearly as funny as the guys from [TS]

00:02:44   the plot house podcast so help me out [TS]

00:02:46   here guys the dogstars a book where [TS]

00:02:49   there's been an apocalypse [TS]

00:02:51   there's a there's like a dude who lives [TS]

00:02:53   in an airport in Colorado and he's got a [TS]

00:02:56   buddy sort of who lives with him who's [TS]

00:02:58   like a survivalist and he sort of like [TS]

00:03:00   has a garden at the airport and I and is [TS]

00:03:04   feeling I guess unfulfilled a little bit [TS]

00:03:07   about his his sort of day by day life at [TS]

00:03:09   the airport where they you know it [TS]

00:03:11   whenever anybody gets close enough they [TS]

00:03:13   kill them they like they haven't like [TS]

00:03:15   get up in the tower and blow people away [TS]

00:03:17   they come close so that they can live [TS]

00:03:18   their little life they're not [TS]

00:03:19   necessarily their surviving right but [TS]

00:03:23   they're not necessarily these altruistic [TS]

00:03:25   people there it's him in a survivalist [TS]

00:03:27   kind of shooting anybody who comes near [TS]

00:03:29   them in in this airport but he yearns [TS]

00:03:32   for something more does that sound Scott [TS]

00:03:34   isn't coming back to you now I i [TS]

00:03:36   remember the beginning of this book and [TS]

00:03:38   so how good that does a big is the name [TS]

00:03:42   of the the pilot who flies around in his [TS]

00:03:44   little plane ride we missed that piece [TS]

00:03:46   that he has a that the the main guy has [TS]

00:03:48   a plate right that utilize all I [TS]

00:03:49   mentioned there was a plane but yes he [TS]

00:03:51   has a plane at the airport and he can [TS]

00:03:53   fly so he goes and visits split the [TS]

00:03:56   airplane and fly the plane [TS]

00:03:59   ok he does it's not that fantastical if [TS]

00:04:02   you can fly this would be over [TS]

00:04:04   he could go ever i am the ruler the [TS]

00:04:06   apocalypse but that's not it will be [TS]

00:04:10   interesting book but what he gets [TS]

00:04:12   excited because when it one day when [TS]

00:04:14   he's flying [TS]

00:04:15   I guess even maybe before the the novel [TS]

00:04:17   starts its happen but he hears another [TS]

00:04:19   voice on the radio and he happy thinks [TS]

00:04:21   their side deals out there his lifelong [TS]

00:04:23   mission now becomes to find the person [TS]

00:04:25   who spoke to you have to figure out [TS]

00:04:27   where that signals coming from and try [TS]

00:04:29   come down yeah because he has this sad [TS]

00:04:31   you know every time he's flying here he [TS]

00:04:34   runs through like the the the intercom [TS]

00:04:36   the tower the tower communications just [TS]

00:04:38   in case there's somebody out there and [TS]

00:04:39   one time he hears from like a far-off [TS]

00:04:41   location that's I guess he could fly [TS]

00:04:43   there but he couldn't get he wouldn't [TS]

00:04:44   have enough fuel to get back and [TS]

00:04:45   everything is calculated by I need to [TS]

00:04:47   have at least half a tank so I can get [TS]

00:04:48   back to my home airport and and I it is [TS]

00:04:53   I do have some questions I mean that the [TS]

00:04:55   the author who is a pilot obviously he [TS]

00:04:59   he makes this whole sort of thing about [TS]

00:05:01   how the gases it some gas is still good [TS]

00:05:04   and then eventually we'll have to get [TS]

00:05:05   the jet fuel but I kept thinking what a [TS]

00:05:07   luxury to in after the apocalypse be [TS]

00:05:09   able to just kind of fly around to [TS]

00:05:11   various places it's kind of a it [TS]

00:05:14   yeah this book want to have its cake and [TS]

00:05:16   eat it too like in terms of it wanted to [TS]

00:05:18   be like a gritty realism but it also had [TS]

00:05:22   a certain conceits that were built into [TS]

00:05:23   the be the premise of the book as an man [TS]

00:05:26   is dog a plane that type of thing and [TS]

00:05:29   they don't necessarily fit together in [TS]

00:05:32   any sort of logical manner you even if [TS]

00:05:33   you accept everything you just discussed [TS]

00:05:35   about the plane and everything like that [TS]

00:05:36   it's like you know part of the [TS]

00:05:38   limitation was well how much range as we [TS]

00:05:40   have always flying assessment like your [TS]

00:05:41   options for if you have the entire world [TS]

00:05:44   and most people are dead your options [TS]

00:05:46   for aircraft expand greatly so there's [TS]

00:05:48   no real reason that he has to be flying [TS]

00:05:50   around and assessment with very short [TS]

00:05:52   range even if you accept all the stuff [TS]

00:05:54   about the fuel and everyone although you [TS]

00:05:55   don't know how to you do know how to [TS]

00:05:57   have to know how to fly these certain [TS]

00:05:59   kinds of got all the time in the world [TS]

00:06:00   to learn well I always got here we have [TS]

00:06:04   an expert pianist us but he died in [TS]

00:06:07   Groundhog Day the day resets if he were [TS]

00:06:10   to crash his jet fighter he would that [TS]

00:06:13   was it is is that you have to find a [TS]

00:06:16   flower you guys get a slightly bigger [TS]

00:06:17   problem [TS]

00:06:18   yeah I'm saying they don't mean like [TS]

00:06:20   just two and two engines for safety [TS]

00:06:22   aspect just fly over to the Cessna store [TS]

00:06:24   that was not my problem with my problem [TS]

00:06:26   was more that every time you going [TS]

00:06:28   you're going out like I'm gonna fly [TS]

00:06:29   around see what i can see stop and get [TS]

00:06:31   some soda at the convenience store which [TS]

00:06:34   he does [TS]

00:06:35   and those who visit orphans who have the [TS]

00:06:37   funny disease that is part of the [TS]

00:06:39   apocalypse and give them some stuff I'm [TS]

00:06:41   thinking every time you making that trip [TS]

00:06:43   you're losing like the last gasp that [TS]

00:06:45   exists in the world nobody he'd already [TS]

00:06:48   calculated how much he had but it [TS]

00:06:49   reminded me of the most recent episode [TS]

00:06:51   of revolution not to turn this into a TV [TS]

00:06:53   episode but don't know if anyone saw [TS]

00:06:54   that they could be increasingly [TS]

00:06:56   hilarious some for some reason not [TS]

00:06:58   cancelled television series about the [TS]

00:07:00   members of the things that some people [TS]

00:07:01   have helicopters and these are like [TS]

00:07:03   helicopters did like sneak up on you [TS]

00:07:06   like on your tippy-toes wearing their [TS]

00:07:08   their quiet socks and how exceptional [TS]

00:07:10   helicopter you go you don't know the [TS]

00:07:12   helicopter is there until it is [TS]

00:07:14   literally filling the frame of the [TS]

00:07:15   camera which is not zoomed in stock [TS]

00:07:17   account somehow open the helicopter [TS]

00:07:19   around that cutting off our way you can [TS]

00:07:20   hear a helicopter from especially in the [TS]

00:07:22   world wouldn't anyway so the same thing [TS]

00:07:24   with this plane if if your goal is not [TS]

00:07:26   to be killed by like the other people [TS]

00:07:28   who apparently are all hostile or at [TS]

00:07:30   least you think they're all hostile [TS]

00:07:31   don't fly praying this it's gonna be the [TS]

00:07:33   only plane of the sky you could hear [TS]

00:07:35   from miles and miles and miles around [TS]

00:07:37   I assume that's why people come to the [TS]

00:07:39   airport or they know that the that if [TS]

00:07:41   you come like within five miles of here [TS]

00:07:43   for your shot down but I don't like it's [TS]

00:07:45   it's it's that they're causing their own [TS]

00:07:47   problems it's ok so it if you didn't fly [TS]

00:07:50   the plane people wouldn't come to the [TS]

00:07:51   airport but they're flying a plane to [TS]

00:07:53   make sure they can see the people who [TS]

00:07:54   are coming to the airport but the only [TS]

00:07:55   coming because this can see your plane [TS]

00:07:56   from 300 miles away because it's gonna [TS]

00:07:58   be playing in the sky and they really [TS]

00:07:59   noisy like he's he's flying the plane [TS]

00:08:02   not just for the practical reasons of [TS]

00:08:04   scouting out you know the hostile forces [TS]

00:08:07   but i think it's his one escaped from [TS]

00:08:09   the horrible reality of the world right [TS]

00:08:13   here longer pieces and he can ya read [TS]

00:08:15   beyond collapse here [TS]

00:08:17   your options for like self-actualizing [TS]

00:08:19   hobbies are limited to something that's [TS]

00:08:22   more limited but he has a plane and fuel [TS]

00:08:24   and he's living in an airport so why not [TS]

00:08:27   he's basically got you know two things [TS]

00:08:28   to live for in the immediate in the [TS]

00:08:30   start of the book he's got his dog which [TS]

00:08:33   I thought was a that i found it i think [TS]

00:08:36   Jon might have been referencing a little [TS]

00:08:37   bit annoying or try to cliché to say [TS]

00:08:40   well I'm here and i'll have someone to [TS]

00:08:42   talk to because I've got my Wilson I've [TS]

00:08:43   got my dog and he's got is flying right [TS]

00:08:46   because there is nothing to do he can [TS]

00:08:47   hang out with [TS]

00:08:48   his he's got hunting and fishing right [TS]

00:08:50   now but he can hang out with his [TS]

00:08:51   neighbor who he mostly paints and yeah [TS]

00:08:53   the neighbor is really well-prepared for [TS]

00:08:56   the apocalypse prize essentially [TS]

00:08:58   thrilled by the existence of the Act [TS]

00:09:00   listen listen we've got down humans and [TS]

00:09:01   he's you know he's one of those [TS]

00:09:02   newspaper so I i did the you know I did [TS]

00:09:06   not at all mind the conceit of his sort [TS]

00:09:09   of wasting fuel from time to time and [TS]

00:09:11   flying around for the hell of it because [TS]

00:09:13   there's nothing to do but yes he can [TS]

00:09:15   forage for food so that he could survive [TS]

00:09:17   but then if you want to do anything he [TS]

00:09:18   i'm pretty sure they even have an iphone [TS]

00:09:20   which just makes it horrible [TS]

00:09:22   well we get into more hobbies of people [TS]

00:09:24   have to the apocalypse later in the book [TS]

00:09:26   within the ending that Scott can't [TS]

00:09:27   remember but when we bring it up i'm [TS]

00:09:29   sure we'll come back to Scott that [TS]

00:09:30   flying and gardening and fishing hunting [TS]

00:09:33   or not the only hobbies available to you [TS]

00:09:35   in the most popular apocalyptic world of [TS]

00:09:37   the dogstars yes there's also backgammon [TS]

00:09:39   so the heat the i would say about hige [TS]

00:09:43   is that he is obviously uneasy and he is [TS]

00:09:48   searching for something right so hehe [TS]

00:09:49   his his uh his companion this doomsday [TS]

00:09:53   prepper guy is happy to have it be [TS]

00:09:56   doomsday like you said and he's all [TS]

00:09:59   prepared and he is not happy about it i [TS]

00:10:01   mean he has you know he's growing things [TS]

00:10:03   flying around but even then he's [TS]

00:10:04   wandering he is that that's just part of [TS]

00:10:07   who he is he's wondering and searching [TS]

00:10:08   for something he's talking on the radio [TS]

00:10:10   trying to find people he's visiting the [TS]

00:10:12   the kids in the family that's got the [TS]

00:10:14   disease [TS]

00:10:15   he's taking these hikes up into the [TS]

00:10:17   mountains that his his buddy says he's [TS]

00:10:20   crazy for doing it he's gonna get [TS]

00:10:21   himself killed but and he almost does [TS]

00:10:23   right into lease saved by a mob by [TS]

00:10:26   mortar fire from his crazy his crazy [TS]

00:10:29   buddy at the airport but you know [TS]

00:10:32   clearly everything he does is because he [TS]

00:10:34   is he's uncomfortable he's searching [TS]

00:10:37   he's not he's not happy in the end the [TS]

00:10:39   apocalypse big surprise but his buddy is [TS]

00:10:42   happy and he's looking for something [TS]

00:10:43   right he we learn as we go [TS]

00:10:45   that he you know that he's lost his his [TS]

00:10:48   wife and and we learn about the endtime [TS]

00:10:50   and how you know how it all kind of fell [TS]

00:10:52   apart and he wants to find something [TS]

00:10:55   else and so and that's really the story [TS]

00:10:56   of the book as we get this whole first [TS]

00:10:58   part where it's setting up his world and [TS]

00:11:00   then he goes kind of [TS]

00:11:01   this little walkabout where he can [TS]

00:11:03   almost tries to get himself killed [TS]

00:11:05   spoiler horn [TS]

00:11:10   but his dog dies of natural causes not [TS]

00:11:14   kid not did of natural causes [TS]

00:11:17   well he might have also frozen to death [TS]

00:11:18   it's really hard to tell maybe but [TS]

00:11:20   that's natural process was not killed by [TS]

00:11:22   like zombies or anything it's right by [TS]

00:11:24   heat no not yet not right away he wasn't [TS]

00:11:28   murdered know who was not murdered the [TS]

00:11:30   doctor was dr. it's not murdered and he [TS]

00:11:32   comes back from any almost gets killed [TS]

00:11:34   and that there's that whole section but [TS]

00:11:36   but with the story you know in some ways [TS]

00:11:38   it is really about is what happens next [TS]

00:11:39   which is he says I gotta get out of here [TS]

00:11:41   I'm gonna I'm gonna follow that that [TS]

00:11:43   stray thing that I heard on the radio [TS]

00:11:45   that's going to take me out of range and [TS]

00:11:47   it's i'm making a risk but I'm not I'm [TS]

00:11:49   just unhappy I guess what I'm saying is [TS]

00:11:51   this is a book a bit about a guy who has [TS]

00:11:53   survived the apocalypse and and still [TS]

00:11:56   wants more [TS]

00:11:58   what more could you want have a question [TS]

00:12:00   about the the main character here anyway [TS]

00:12:02   maybe I for the people who are married [TS]

00:12:04   just for Jason who's read more recently [TS]

00:12:06   if you can tell me if I'm crazy better [TS]

00:12:07   so personal this book and the road which [TS]

00:12:10   will get to second are both in the [TS]

00:12:13   post-apocalyptic world where 99.9 [TS]

00:12:15   percent of the apostrophes have been [TS]

00:12:17   wiped out all right our quotation marks [TS]

00:12:19   yes yes there's very little position [TS]

00:12:21   after the apocalypse oh there's no [TS]

00:12:22   quotes around the things you know it's [TS]

00:12:23   it's very interesting i don't know if [TS]

00:12:25   you pick them intentionally with this [TS]

00:12:26   thing but it's very interesting writing [TS]

00:12:28   style where they don't put quotes are [TS]

00:12:29   people say and it's kind of you know [TS]

00:12:31   sort of stream-of-consciousness right [TS]

00:12:33   yeah i thought we contact McCarthy when [TS]

00:12:34   i read the road several years ago but [TS]

00:12:36   then I read this was like wow I guess [TS]

00:12:37   punctuation really was a victim of its [TS]

00:12:39   not the wipes I think you picked it up [TS]

00:12:41   from kroger yeah i think but Percy that [TS]

00:12:44   particular style especially early on [TS]

00:12:46   when he sort of giving the quick [TS]

00:12:47   background on like what happened and how [TS]

00:12:49   like you know people were telling people [TS]

00:12:53   write that by sickness is your fevers [TS]

00:12:55   would kill them like the fluid they [TS]

00:12:56   would die and then some people live with [TS]

00:12:57   this blood disease and at one point in [TS]

00:12:59   the first handful of pages in this sort [TS]

00:13:02   of staccato stream-of-consciousness you [TS]

00:13:04   know sentence fragment structure of [TS]

00:13:06   explaining what happened to the world he [TS]

00:13:08   mentions that he himself I think had a [TS]

00:13:11   fever at some point it was burning up [TS]

00:13:12   but just didn't didn't I laughs right [TS]

00:13:14   came through whatever and that fever [TS]

00:13:16   like cooked his brain and his skull and [TS]

00:13:19   because of the writing style [TS]

00:13:22   and that passage in the beginning I was [TS]

00:13:25   thinking he is mentally impaired in some [TS]

00:13:27   way by having his brain boil in his head [TS]

00:13:30   during the sickness thing and that he is [TS]

00:13:32   not really am the master of his own [TS]

00:13:34   thoughts like he knows he's like a [TS]

00:13:36   self-aware mentally incapacitated in [TS]

00:13:39   some way that's what i thought it right [TS]

00:13:41   and what interests you [TS]

00:13:42   but by the end of the book that [TS]

00:13:44   apparently his brain is better and [TS]

00:13:46   better as he's you know thinking in full [TS]

00:13:48   sentences and I don't know if that was [TS]

00:13:49   like a literary devices try to like [TS]

00:13:50   express his depression in terms of an [TS]

00:13:54   inability to think straight but it was [TS]

00:13:55   almost like people mind it was like [TS]

00:13:57   flowers for algernon but you know only [TS]

00:13:58   one direction like by the end of the [TS]

00:14:00   book is like I am a sophisticated person [TS]

00:14:02   with complex thoughts and complete [TS]

00:14:04   sentences and ideological things were in [TS]

00:14:06   the beginning I was going to get almost [TS]

00:14:08   forgiven flying around the airport in [TS]

00:14:09   the plan because he's feeble-minded and [TS]

00:14:11   his partner guys nuts doesn't talk about [TS]

00:14:14   that doesn't make sure to say that he [TS]

00:14:16   feels like he's getting better that he's [TS]

00:14:17   that he's thinking more clearly or maybe [TS]

00:14:19   i just put a date is very clearly that [TS]

00:14:20   he he seems more lucid as he goes and [TS]

00:14:24   maybe it's maybe it's the fog clearing [TS]

00:14:26   maybe this is the story of him kind of [TS]

00:14:28   finally getting it together out of after [TS]

00:14:30   all that time but you're right when it [TS]

00:14:31   starts he talks about having his fever [TS]

00:14:33   and being really confused and and [TS]

00:14:36   apologizing basically for the bed [TS]

00:14:37   punctuation in the book [TS]

00:14:40   yeah I thought that would be a bigger [TS]

00:14:41   part of the book but like it i mean it [TS]

00:14:44   went away pretty quickly and it just you [TS]

00:14:46   know you settled into okay well instead [TS]

00:14:48   it's just gonna be a book with the radio [TS]

00:14:49   narrator but no quotation marks instead [TS]

00:14:52   of instead of a book narrated by [TS]

00:14:53   somebody who is not kind of messed up [TS]

00:14:56   yeah-hoo-hoo isn't operating it at full [TS]

00:14:58   power which is kind of like a fun kind [TS]

00:15:01   of unreliable narrator where he's not [TS]

00:15:02   being unreliable and intentionally or [TS]

00:15:04   because he's deluded but merely because [TS]

00:15:05   his is a perceptions are not right [TS]

00:15:09   sophisticated that you know i will say [TS]

00:15:13   that the my biggest objection for the [TS]

00:15:16   thing that I had the biggest problem [TS]

00:15:18   that i didn't read this as recently as [TS]

00:15:19   Jason but there's the [TS]

00:15:22   I a decent chunk of the book I guess [TS]

00:15:25   closer to the end where he I don't know [TS]

00:15:27   if this requires a spoiler an apple [TS]

00:15:29   where he meets up with some other people [TS]

00:15:31   yes we've blown the spoiler we did the [TS]

00:15:33   most important spoiler which is that the [TS]

00:15:34   dog doesn't make it is out there now [TS]

00:15:36   it's out there so yes he meet some [TS]

00:15:38   people in on one his little walkabout we [TS]

00:15:40   haven't got it right and he but so [TS]

00:15:42   during this during his time he spent [TS]

00:15:44   some time with his people he spends [TS]

00:15:45   nights with these people is a spends [TS]

00:15:48   weeks weeks with yes and he he literally [TS]

00:15:50   spends the night with with the woman [TS]

00:15:52   upon whom he happens literally literally [TS]

00:15:55   spent the night lacks meaning that they [TS]

00:15:56   spend time together and it happens [TS]

00:15:58   overnight and literally that's what [TS]

00:15:59   happens literally they fornicate ok [TS]

00:16:02   great literally watch on it and I don't [TS]

00:16:05   know I been very lonely and he's he's [TS]

00:16:08   had only a survivalist with him [TS]

00:16:10   she's only had her father in some [TS]

00:16:12   respects see what you would say look [TS]

00:16:14   this is this is the scenario where like [TS]

00:16:17   you literally have less man i don't mean [TS]

00:16:19   like if ever there was a time where you [TS]

00:16:21   can excuse to people getting together [TS]

00:16:22   because they're it's like well because [TS]

00:16:24   because she's the only female in the [TS]

00:16:26   book he's the only male when that is [TS]

00:16:28   almost like well he's the only female in [TS]

00:16:29   the mail on the entire planet you can [TS]

00:16:31   see how that like that's inevitable that [TS]

00:16:33   it's going to happen just because but [TS]

00:16:35   see it's not just because if that's what [TS]

00:16:37   it was it was just like and we were like [TS]

00:16:39   a screw it lets you know get it on [TS]

00:16:41   that'd be one thing but this is they [TS]

00:16:43   really have a a falling in love [TS]

00:16:45   situation now I mean I don't think they [TS]

00:16:48   do because i don't know if the [TS]

00:16:49   characters are or not be stopped or if [TS]

00:16:52   she's supposed to be mentally [TS]

00:16:53   incapacitated as well like they're never [TS]

00:16:55   gonna everything they're both kind of [TS]

00:16:57   like they're both kind of still in a fog [TS]

00:16:59   and it's like well well we're here to [TS]

00:17:02   really damaged by the apocalypse well [TS]

00:17:04   you would think that kind of throws you [TS]

00:17:06   off everyone dying and you are a [TS]

00:17:08   survivor and then you have to stay [TS]

00:17:10   huddled and hidden in this like little [TS]

00:17:12   valley with your father [TS]

00:17:13   yeah but this is like was it 15 years [TS]

00:17:15   later though how many years like many [TS]

00:17:17   years it's not like get over it may be [TS]

00:17:19   the case in the world and the world [TS]

00:17:20   ended [TS]

00:17:21   ok huh no I mean I understand where [TS]

00:17:24   you're coming from college I felt like [TS]

00:17:25   it felt rushed or unjustified you know [TS]

00:17:29   the we didn't agree with you but I'm [TS]

00:17:31   just saying like I i think it it's [TS]

00:17:34   appropriate for it to be [TS]

00:17:35   weird and rushed and unjustified because [TS]

00:17:37   i think it would be on justified in real [TS]

00:17:38   life and it would you know I mean I mean [TS]

00:17:40   that's how it felt to me was like that [TS]

00:17:41   they had this initial rush of like I [TS]

00:17:43   don't trust you i'm going to try to kill [TS]

00:17:44   you and then there's like all right I'm [TS]

00:17:46   gonna trust you enough to not kill you [TS]

00:17:47   right now I may kill you in the morning [TS]

00:17:48   and then and then there's that whole [TS]

00:17:50   okay well you know maybe I'm sure you're [TS]

00:17:55   here maybe this is safe enough and we're [TS]

00:17:57   we're the only two you know [TS]

00:17:59   normal adults in the in the book one man [TS]

00:18:02   one woman what do you think is gonna [TS]

00:18:03   happen and then there's that other part [TS]

00:18:05   which is like well you know the creek is [TS]

00:18:08   gonna dry up we're not going to be able [TS]

00:18:11   to stay here very long this guy seems [TS]

00:18:12   like he's an okay guy [TS]

00:18:14   maybe there's something more here maybe [TS]

00:18:16   we can go with him maybe you know maybe [TS]

00:18:18   we can you know we can trust tamil and [TS]

00:18:21   then that kind of involves but i think [TS]

00:18:22   it's logical that in this kind of [TS]

00:18:23   scenario one thing would come ahead of [TS]

00:18:26   the other that the that the there's the [TS]

00:18:28   killing part trying to kill them and [TS]

00:18:29   then the sex part and then the kind of [TS]

00:18:31   like maybe we really can trust in part [TS]

00:18:32   and they come out they're all messed up [TS]

00:18:34   there all the sequence that's how my [TS]

00:18:36   marriage happens that's that's right [TS]

00:18:39   first your wife's father tried to kill [TS]

00:18:41   you with a shotgun [TS]

00:18:42   I mean you throw a grenade but away from [TS]

00:18:44   them showing that you're really that's [TS]

00:18:45   like a courtship move yeah that's right [TS]

00:18:47   i have ammunition but i'm not using it i [TS]

00:18:50   just felt like that either had to say [TS]

00:18:51   hey you know why don't we have some sex [TS]

00:18:54   so that we can continue the species or [TS]

00:18:58   they have to or they have to be like you [TS]

00:19:00   know what [TS]

00:19:01   where it's two of the very last humans [TS]

00:19:04   around neither of us has really [TS]

00:19:06   tremendous access to soap and things [TS]

00:19:08   like that and we're both head and [TS]

00:19:09   disgusting and roughing it every day [TS]

00:19:11   let's let's be friends like I thought [TS]

00:19:13   that just friends i would've been fine [TS]

00:19:15   platonic apocalypse friends I think it's [TS]

00:19:18   more of like I won't tell anyone if you [TS]

00:19:19   want [TS]

00:19:20   ya know what does nothing to tell no I [TS]

00:19:23   had more of an objection to the to the [TS]

00:19:26   Father character because despite you [TS]

00:19:28   know so you get your main character [TS]

00:19:30   you've got the woman who doesn't really [TS]

00:19:31   do much is not fleshed out whatever but [TS]

00:19:33   the father character was you know the [TS]

00:19:35   like you know the the uber father figure [TS]

00:19:40   where he is a gruff but fair but [TS]

00:19:42   confident but to protect your daughter [TS]

00:19:44   but not too protective and just like he [TS]

00:19:46   didn't I didn't feel like I knew [TS]

00:19:48   anything [TS]

00:19:48   about the father it as a character I [TS]

00:19:51   felt like no lie can picture the actor [TS]

00:19:52   who would play this in the movie because [TS]

00:19:54   I can keep their their couple actors who [TS]

00:19:56   played this part in every movie or TV [TS]

00:19:58   show that has this character that time [TS]

00:19:59   is tommy lee jones know or someone [TS]

00:20:02   similar maybe older Tommy Lee Jones [TS]

00:20:03   gather our white-haired version but like [TS]

00:20:05   I don't feel like I know anything about [TS]

00:20:06   the father character i feel like i know [TS]

00:20:08   that the tiny tiny bit about the woman [TS]

00:20:10   character and you know substantially [TS]

00:20:12   more about it because you spend most of [TS]

00:20:13   the book with him right [TS]

00:20:15   but those two guys for for that to be I [TS]

00:20:17   don't know if it was page wise for [TS]

00:20:19   preferred to kind of be a book in two [TS]

00:20:20   acts where it's like the here's my world [TS]

00:20:23   here's how it works and how it falls [TS]

00:20:24   apart is my dog dies and I don't know [TS]

00:20:26   what to do and the second part is I'm [TS]

00:20:28   off on my own I'm journey I find these [TS]

00:20:30   people [TS]

00:20:31   I find myself again and then the journey [TS]

00:20:32   back that second half like I I feel like [TS]

00:20:36   a new bank li much better then I knew [TS]

00:20:38   any of those two characters who made up [TS]

00:20:40   the second half [TS]

00:20:41   yeah I guess although bangla and himself [TS]

00:20:42   his body of the airport is is a I mean [TS]

00:20:46   he's a broad sort of character decision [TS]

00:20:48   right there is not new [TS]

00:20:49   not much nuance to him he's a surviving [TS]

00:20:51   there i think there is though because [TS]

00:20:52   like when you see a character like that [TS]

00:20:54   it can go you see it's either like it's [TS]

00:20:56   either he's a he's if you want to make a [TS]

00:20:59   cardboard cutout he's gotta buy [TS]

00:21:00   everything that he's saying but you get [TS]

00:21:01   the sense that despite his the way he [TS]

00:21:04   talks about everything that it's that he [TS]

00:21:06   understands it's an act of bravado as [TS]

00:21:08   well that there's some kind of you know [TS]

00:21:10   person inside there and this is his [TS]

00:21:12   defense mechanism against the apocalypse [TS]

00:21:13   you know when you get that when you when [TS]

00:21:15   they come back there at the end and they [TS]

00:21:17   find him wounded and they have to nurse [TS]

00:21:18   it back to help he you know there we [TS]

00:21:21   learn a lot more about him and that [TS]

00:21:22   that's in fact the case and he's a much [TS]

00:21:24   more human character at that point or [TS]

00:21:26   even before that when he's trying to [TS]

00:21:27   like prevent his friend from going [TS]

00:21:29   without ever admitting that he doesn't [TS]

00:21:31   want his friends to go right you know [TS]

00:21:32   like him when he leaves hunting for a [TS]

00:21:35   long time or when he's going to go off [TS]

00:21:36   in the plane his bank is not going to [TS]

00:21:37   come out and say i don't think you [TS]

00:21:38   should go I don't want you to go but [TS]

00:21:39   he's you know just a few words here and [TS]

00:21:42   there that he notes it's like that's him [TS]

00:21:44   trying to tell me that he doesn't want [TS]

00:21:46   me to leave or make making it ok for me [TS]

00:21:48   not to leave up that was reasonable but [TS]

00:21:50   like early on the book the book that I [TS]

00:21:53   was hoping this would be my typical way [TS]

00:21:55   was that you got you got this guy and it [TS]

00:21:58   like everyone comes to the airport and [TS]

00:21:59   shoot them in a real like that part [TS]

00:22:01   because [TS]

00:22:01   look here if you have survived 15 years [TS]

00:22:03   this is a simple policy just kill [TS]

00:22:05   everybody going to lose it with someone [TS]

00:22:06   appears you kill them you don't talk to [TS]

00:22:08   them you don't negotiate you don't ask [TS]

00:22:09   questions and it's something you expect [TS]

00:22:10   to survive was to do but then you in [TS]

00:22:13   early on you don't know what the deal is [TS]

00:22:15   bangla you know he digs with this guy [TS]

00:22:17   and I was saying okay well he's gotta [TS]

00:22:21   kill bangla in the next 10 pages because [TS]

00:22:23   you know that's the only way the the [TS]

00:22:25   kill everybody has a way to survive [TS]

00:22:27   thing as a motto extend should extend [TS]

00:22:31   and you should look at the guy next to [TS]

00:22:32   go away second there's a guy and he [TS]

00:22:35   seems a little crazy we're not killing [TS]

00:22:36   him and if I don't kill him that he's [TS]

00:22:38   watching me when I sleep and stuff like [TS]

00:22:39   that so I go hey you gotta kill bangla [TS]

00:22:41   you know because that's like that's the [TS]

00:22:43   ethos of the end times as you know kill [TS]

00:22:45   or be killed but didn't go in that [TS]

00:22:47   direction it became like okay because [TS]

00:22:48   everybody else but we're fine with each [TS]

00:22:50   other [TS]

00:22:51   also you might know almost have to [TS]

00:22:52   protect yourself because he's he's [TS]

00:22:54   starting to wonder if you're soft and [TS]

00:22:55   then maybe he'll come for you in the [TS]

00:22:56   night so you gotta grind like it seems [TS]

00:22:58   like hey we had the killer bangla and [TS]

00:23:00   that would be that if it'd gone down [TS]

00:23:01   that road this would have been a [TS]

00:23:02   different kind of book probably and even [TS]

00:23:04   less touchy feely friendly kind of book [TS]

00:23:06   but you know after 15 years of killing [TS]

00:23:08   every human who sets foot in the airport [TS]

00:23:09   and not sleeping in your own house that [TS]

00:23:11   you could do so in a more efficient [TS]

00:23:12   fashion that that would seem more [TS]

00:23:14   logical conclusion it's almost like the [TS]

00:23:16   15 years that happened before this book [TS]

00:23:18   this is clearly the turning point in [TS]

00:23:20   their life this is all that that was [TS]

00:23:22   that and we've been doing that 15 years [TS]

00:23:24   but now my dogs and humans yes my dog [TS]

00:23:27   died [TS]

00:23:27   I must find my favorite bangla moment is [TS]

00:23:30   when he when he trains hige or when he [TS]

00:23:34   gives take that test without him knowing [TS]

00:23:36   that he's being tested [TS]

00:23:37   I remember the exact details of the [TS]

00:23:39   scene but basically he makes Hague fear [TS]

00:23:41   that he's being fired upon and and has [TS]

00:23:43   to defend himself and that he's he's got [TS]

00:23:46   no other options and yeah that was some [TS]

00:23:48   interlopers come to the airport right [TS]

00:23:50   and here's it and began and it turns out [TS]

00:23:53   that he goes out to investigate he [TS]

00:23:55   brings his gun or whatever and it turns [TS]

00:23:56   out that Langley knows this is happening [TS]

00:23:58   he's watching the whole thing but he [TS]

00:24:00   wants to see what he will do and he gets [TS]

00:24:02   the point where he's going to take them [TS]

00:24:03   out and then daily takes them out is how [TS]

00:24:05   you pass my test like what how messed up [TS]

00:24:08   for you [TS]

00:24:09   what do you exactly what I like this [TS]

00:24:10   yesterday that's actually a nice thing [TS]

00:24:12   too badly did because it's important [TS]

00:24:13   that he has to be [TS]

00:24:14   let you know when he's well he doesn't [TS]

00:24:16   need to when it when bangles a debating [TS]

00:24:18   whether it's I think it's very [TS]

00:24:20   appropriate training for bengali to [TS]

00:24:22   provide it but it was still kind of left [TS]

00:24:24   unexamined and were like hey you're [TS]

00:24:25   supposed to be sympathetic and we're [TS]

00:24:27   supposed to eventually like him like [TS]

00:24:28   whistles identified with him in some way [TS]

00:24:30   but it we never really delved into the [TS]

00:24:33   fact that you forget about 15 years of [TS]

00:24:35   slaughtering people who set foot in this [TS]

00:24:36   airport just the ones that happen in the [TS]

00:24:37   book like to kill the nine-year-old kid [TS]

00:24:39   always people some people yes I'm [TS]

00:24:41   rotting crazy people but not all of them [TS]

00:24:43   are like you know he said that one time [TS]

00:24:44   I try to negotiate is the closest I got [TS]

00:24:46   to getting killed like that you know [TS]

00:24:48   that test like oh that was a good test [TS]

00:24:49   for bangle you just killed like nine [TS]

00:24:51   people for no reason they were just [TS]

00:24:52   looking for shelter like know those [TS]

00:24:54   people are going to kill that they those [TS]

00:24:55   people the way to reconstitute society [TS]

00:24:58   is probably not to kill every single [TS]

00:24:59   person you see because some percentage [TS]

00:25:01   of the emergent like that like see to me [TS]

00:25:03   that's one of the interesting things [TS]

00:25:04   with the of really of both of these [TS]

00:25:06   books but that you know that no one [TS]

00:25:08   really seems to have the goal of lets [TS]

00:25:10   repopulate the world and start a new [TS]

00:25:11   civilization everybody's everybody's [TS]

00:25:13   gold seemingly for years and years is [TS]

00:25:15   let's just freaking scale everybody is [TS]

00:25:17   just live no matter what the cost but [TS]

00:25:19   thatthat's laughing that was very dark [TS]

00:25:21   that's the darkest part of those but it [TS]

00:25:23   would make sense that's that the people [TS]

00:25:24   with that policy would survive for a [TS]

00:25:26   long time but human beings are social [TS]

00:25:27   animals and like percentage-wise you [TS]

00:25:29   know you can't its you can't keep humans [TS]

00:25:32   from forming society you just can't like [TS]

00:25:34   it will happen you know no matter how [TS]

00:25:35   many of them you think you're crazy [TS]

00:25:36   little farmer crazy society at least you [TS]

00:25:39   know you got underdrawing you get [TS]

00:25:40   something so something you can't stop [TS]

00:25:41   society that that's part of what happens [TS]

00:25:43   in this book is that the 15 years later [TS]

00:25:45   hey they don't stay there but yes from [TS]

00:25:47   viewed from the outside [TS]

00:25:49   these are the crazy people by the [TS]

00:25:50   airport don't go by the airport there [TS]

00:25:51   crazy killer people at the airport just [TS]

00:25:53   leave my there was something i think [TS]

00:25:54   they are ready to go up yeah that's yeah [TS]

00:25:56   i think so except including hey Gwen [TS]

00:25:58   like we were supposed to be sympathetic [TS]

00:26:00   with him later and accepted head flies [TS]

00:26:02   around and goes and visits the family [TS]

00:26:03   and and gives him motive isn't he's a [TS]

00:26:06   good guy that's not a truck and he has a [TS]

00:26:08   dog I I couldn't I couldn't catch I [TS]

00:26:11   couldn't become sympathetic with it [TS]

00:26:13   because i didn't i didn't identify with [TS]

00:26:15   this pain and he was just a sociopathic [TS]

00:26:17   killer for 15 years and I didn't like I [TS]

00:26:20   didn't I don't think he was redeemed by [TS]

00:26:22   his [TS]

00:26:23   actions with the old man and the woman [TS]

00:26:24   and it was hard to square that it's not [TS]

00:26:26   kind of nice guy fair guy in the second [TS]

00:26:28   half of the book with the guy who just [TS]

00:26:30   went along with killing everybody 15 [TS]

00:26:32   years and was okay with it and I and you [TS]

00:26:34   couldn't blame blame it on bangla [TS]

00:26:35   because they made blood trying to make [TS]

00:26:36   bangla sympathetic as well so it's not [TS]

00:26:38   like he was just under the wing of a [TS]

00:26:40   crazy person and got out of his spell [TS]

00:26:41   you know and i think it's an interesting [TS]

00:26:43   counterpoint to when he goes he finally [TS]

00:26:46   figures out you know that the signal is [TS]

00:26:48   coming from another airport and he gets [TS]

00:26:50   over there and he has the the chick and [TS]

00:26:53   that the her dad and the land and then [TS]

00:26:57   they find out oh it's a big booby trap [TS]

00:26:59   and this guy of these are spoilers by [TS]

00:27:01   the way so how is it will strap that's [TS]

00:27:03   another post apocalyptic how to get just [TS]

00:27:05   right here so people to your airport and [TS]

00:27:07   your trip their plans for the trip wire [TS]

00:27:09   exactly and then you take the 15 years [TS]

00:27:11   you kill them and take their stuff and [TS]

00:27:12   they are basically that old couple is [TS]

00:27:14   basically doing what big and bangla are [TS]

00:27:17   doing a guess he could finally are not [TS]

00:27:19   luring people hate that word that's what [TS]

00:27:21   makes this week like still asleep [TS]

00:27:22   already [TS]

00:27:22   evil is people in the book we are [TS]

00:27:24   actively learning you in but they are [TS]

00:27:26   kind of learning people by driving a [TS]

00:27:28   plane around by leaving the light on by [TS]

00:27:29   the thing and I mean like it's true so [TS]

00:27:31   they're not doing it as actively as the [TS]

00:27:34   older couple but it's just shades of the [TS]

00:27:36   same thing and I like the old people I [TS]

00:27:40   mean those building it didn't get [TS]

00:27:41   anything with a good had me speaking [TS]

00:27:43   parts other than like you know making to [TS]

00:27:45   be killed yes I hard they were up all my [TS]

00:27:49   bedroom realize the campus and don't [TS]

00:27:52   touch that painting right and then [TS]

00:27:55   they're dead [TS]

00:27:56   you know I think I think that's a good [TS]

00:27:58   point that that he get in and bangalore [TS]

00:28:03   are doing things that we would we would [TS]

00:28:05   say in our pre epochal pre-apocalyptic [TS]

00:28:07   society are bad but you know you do get [TS]

00:28:10   the sense from from hit that he's kind [TS]

00:28:12   of emerging from this [TS]

00:28:13   yeah you're right 10 or 15 years long [TS]

00:28:15   queue state where where he sort of been [TS]

00:28:18   under the thrall of bangla but but at [TS]

00:28:21   the same time hige you know he's living [TS]

00:28:24   in the hangar and doing gardening and [TS]

00:28:27   taking walks with his dog has his dog as [TS]

00:28:30   a companion whereas bangli is just like [TS]

00:28:31   alone and very focused on killing people [TS]

00:28:34   and doesn't go anywhere and [TS]

00:28:35   do anything and and and haig flies [TS]

00:28:37   around and goes and visits the family [TS]

00:28:39   and takes cock out of you know [TS]

00:28:40   convenience stores and stuff like that [TS]

00:28:42   so you get the sense that he's at least [TS]

00:28:45   what the book is trying to say is that [TS]

00:28:46   he's he's trying to do more he isn't [TS]

00:28:48   happy he's Restless he doesn't want to [TS]

00:28:50   just go by baileys create it doesn't [TS]

00:28:53   necessarily absolves him from everything [TS]

00:28:54   that they've done while they've been [TS]

00:28:56   defending the airport but he he clearly [TS]

00:28:58   has has been unhappy and it leads to him [TS]

00:29:00   setting out on his own you know and then [TS]

00:29:04   and then finding these people who by the [TS]

00:29:05   way their immediate response to him [TS]

00:29:07   flying over there little kitchen is to [TS]

00:29:09   shoot at him [TS]

00:29:10   so again shoot first ask questions later [TS]

00:29:12   in the apocalypse but he he takes that [TS]

00:29:15   as a sign like say that's interesting [TS]

00:29:18   but their lives were instead of lives [TS]

00:29:19   are structured around stuff like they [TS]

00:29:21   were hiding there they weren't like they [TS]

00:29:23   were going online we routinely we [TS]

00:29:25   routinely have a system by which when [TS]

00:29:26   people wander into our canyon we kill [TS]

00:29:28   them in an efficient manner and dispose [TS]

00:29:30   them they were caught by surprise and [TS]

00:29:31   they defended themselves once they were [TS]

00:29:33   right happened upon but it's not the [TS]

00:29:34   same as the situation where you could [TS]

00:29:36   leave the light on the pork and asleep [TS]

00:29:37   by the Burmese which treatments to show [TS]

00:29:39   up when you perform well I don't think [TS]

00:29:40   he's leaving the light on to attract [TS]

00:29:41   people but I think he's leaving later on [TS]

00:29:42   as a warning and if you're too stupid to [TS]

00:29:43   stay away from this guy since everybody [TS]

00:29:45   hates everybody obviously it leaves it [TS]

00:29:47   on because they know they'll go to the [TS]

00:29:48   light that's why they tip over the [TS]

00:29:50   dumpster because they know the people [TS]

00:29:51   hide behind for cover like it's a trap [TS]

00:29:53   so we're gonna park ellipse John will go [TS]

00:29:55   toward the light and lex will run away [TS]

00:29:57   from the light [TS]

00:29:58   I'll be dead I'm just saying I'm saying [TS]

00:30:00   that you know I think that he has a lot [TS]

00:30:01   of noble qualities the things he does [TS]

00:30:03   when he visits those the orphans I guess [TS]

00:30:05   it's not just words because they're [TS]

00:30:06   really into a perimeter [TS]

00:30:07   he's you know he's very nice with them [TS]

00:30:09   he's if he goes out of his way to give [TS]

00:30:11   them food and supplies and attention i [TS]

00:30:13   know it's kind of a attendance a [TS]

00:30:15   sweetheart John you take everything that [TS]

00:30:16   I mean he's he's he's a complicated [TS]

00:30:20   character and no one understands but his [TS]

00:30:23   mother by the way the the father who's [TS]

00:30:25   down in the canyon he's the same guy who [TS]

00:30:27   plays the can be the same guy who played [TS]

00:30:29   the father and on the farm in the [TS]

00:30:30   walking dead same guy same conversation [TS]

00:30:33   character similar guy better more fit i [TS]

00:30:35   think i feel like as he was a marine or [TS]

00:30:36   whatever right whatever same guy [TS]

00:30:39   well just he'll do a little they will [TS]

00:30:40   get much personal trainer for a few [TS]

00:30:42   weeks and then he could be back at [TS]

00:30:43   speaking speaking of The Walking Dead [TS]

00:30:45   like this that have the same frustration [TS]

00:30:47   with this book is a half of the walking [TS]

00:30:48   again it's like [TS]

00:30:49   especially this one because it seemed [TS]

00:30:50   like it had some good ideas about what [TS]

00:30:52   you and the apocalypse but like being an [TS]

00:30:54   airport in an open plain for miles [TS]

00:30:57   around is not a defensible position like [TS]

00:30:59   they're you the box Kane was at least a [TS]

00:31:01   little bit better you know the bigger [TS]

00:31:02   they basically we're in the middle of my [TS]

00:31:04   impression was there in the middle of a [TS]

00:31:05   giant flat plane with mountains often [TS]

00:31:07   the distance from one side and they have [TS]

00:31:09   to patrol their entire perimeter where [TS]

00:31:11   people can see them from miles around [TS]

00:31:12   like it's not a good position like know [TS]

00:31:14   you have the entire world you can you [TS]

00:31:16   can literally go into a castle like you [TS]

00:31:20   can get a castle with a mode if you can [TS]

00:31:21   somehow get over to like England it like [TS]

00:31:23   there but there are more defensive the [TS]

00:31:24   top of a skyscraper something more [TS]

00:31:26   defensible positions than in the middle [TS]

00:31:27   of a plane because then people can come [TS]

00:31:29   from anywhere and they can see you from [TS]

00:31:31   miles and miles around even if you're [TS]

00:31:32   not flying a plane and it just it seems [TS]

00:31:35   like you can see them [TS]

00:31:36   I think that your defense strategies are [TS]

00:31:38   really bad John because the thing with [TS]

00:31:39   the airport is I can see since it is so [TS]

00:31:42   flat wherever I can see people coming [TS]

00:31:43   whatever and they pick them off if I [TS]

00:31:45   stay at the top of the skyscraper that [TS]

00:31:47   I'm cornered as soon as something comes [TS]

00:31:49   that's like the girl in a horror movie [TS]

00:31:50   who runs upstairs [TS]

00:31:51   it's like a castle you have to you have [TS]

00:31:53   to build another reason castles are made [TS]

00:31:55   the way they are you build it up against [TS]

00:31:56   the back of a mountain so people can [TS]

00:31:58   only come at you from wonder i will [TS]

00:31:59   outlive you in the apocalypse try to get [TS]

00:32:01   it do you [TS]

00:32:02   what John is gonna have the spaceship so [TS]

00:32:04   he'll just be orbiting and not you need [TS]

00:32:06   you don't want to have people you don't [TS]

00:32:08   have the possibility of people attacking [TS]

00:32:09   for 360 degrees you want to give [TS]

00:32:11   yourself a defensible position that you [TS]

00:32:12   know it's like siege mentality you have [TS]

00:32:14   a moment you have a drawbridge you can [TS]

00:32:15   only be attacked from one side you'll [TS]

00:32:17   watch how are they getting to England [TS]

00:32:18   how I'm giving I'm saying [TS]

00:32:20   metaphorically but you have to get [TS]

00:32:22   yourself something like that have so [TS]

00:32:23   much time they could build a boat [TS]

00:32:25   I mean for sure if if the roads were all [TS]

00:32:27   safe [TS]

00:32:28   anytime there was an apocalyptic [TS]

00:32:29   situation if I were still alive and I [TS]

00:32:31   could get somewhere i would want to go [TS]

00:32:32   to the White House and just to kind of [TS]

00:32:34   explore that would be my big thing was [TS]

00:32:36   then probably a popular destination is [TS]

00:32:38   the other thing go go where the people [TS]

00:32:39   aren't which they mostly had that likely [TS]

00:32:41   and Rocky's where we have is that the [TS]

00:32:43   canyon that was with you couldn't see it [TS]

00:32:45   from lots of places around my place [TS]

00:32:46   where you could ford the river they got [TS]

00:32:47   rid of that was a better defensible [TS]

00:32:49   position we donated they were there for [TS]

00:32:51   15 years without without having to [TS]

00:32:53   routinely kill people wondering because [TS]

00:32:54   they've chosen a better position but i [TS]

00:32:56   think i think that's bangla right he [TS]

00:32:58   wants to kill people from a distant [TS]

00:33:00   accepted hige hige [TS]

00:33:02   is a pilot and he's he has he finds [TS]

00:33:04   solace in the flying and you fly through [TS]

00:33:08   an airport so that's why he would be [TS]

00:33:09   attracted to an airport he's not [TS]

00:33:11   thinking about you know oh I need to [TS]

00:33:13   find the best strategic place for me to [TS]

00:33:15   hang out [TS]

00:33:16   he is thinking I need to find a place [TS]

00:33:18   where I can fly because I can you know [TS]

00:33:20   be above the the horrors that are have [TS]

00:33:23   inflicted upon the earth and bangs like [TS]

00:33:25   hey this is cool because I can kill [TS]

00:33:26   people [TS]

00:33:28   everybody's happy even family still [TS]

00:33:30   tries to get like the most strategically [TS]

00:33:31   position McMansion so we can see [TS]

00:33:33   everything in the area and stuff like [TS]

00:33:34   that but yeah he could he could have [TS]

00:33:35   picked a position that he knew would be [TS]

00:33:37   would cause travelers to come into his [TS]

00:33:39   sight so he could blow them up because [TS]

00:33:41   that's the kind of guy he was which [TS]

00:33:42   again is why you should have been killed [TS]

00:33:43   by a girl I didn't and bangla arrives [TS]

00:33:46   after hitting the airport is that my [TS]

00:33:47   room is correctly and then yeah he does [TS]

00:33:49   hey is there first and only shows up in [TS]

00:33:51   the and his van filled with weapons and [TS]

00:33:53   amazingly they don't kill each other [TS]

00:33:54   outside [TS]

00:33:55   yeah I don't like that the rules are in [TS]

00:33:57   effect then I was wondering like I was [TS]

00:33:58   waiting for the story about how those [TS]

00:33:59   two came to be together because it seems [TS]

00:34:01   like the bank's philosophy as you see [TS]

00:34:03   someone you kill them [TS]

00:34:04   so how does he ever how does he ever [TS]

00:34:05   hook up with this guy i imagine that he [TS]

00:34:07   must have known that the guy could fly [TS]

00:34:08   playing thought that could be useful [TS]

00:34:10   well if family was at the airport first [TS]

00:34:12   and he was there then hit would have [TS]

00:34:14   been killed by bang up so i think it had [TS]

00:34:15   to be the other direction right-handed [TS]

00:34:17   well I'm here now and I'm gonna take [TS]

00:34:18   care of this place now that I'm showed [TS]

00:34:20   up with my guns [TS]

00:34:21   I was like that's cool yes around [TS]

00:34:23   whatever I got my dog i'm walking around [TS]

00:34:25   flying getting some coke and take it to [TS]

00:34:28   the ticket the orphans whatever you know [TS]

00:34:31   I you know Scott you and I have written [TS]

00:34:34   have read another series about the [TS]

00:34:35   apocalypse [TS]

00:34:36   oh don't be so depressed i have read [TS]

00:34:39   another one occasion to read another [TS]

00:34:41   mirror great book because it got [TS]

00:34:42   nominated for you go again this this was [TS]

00:34:45   better than that though this was this is [TS]

00:34:47   he now there are no zombies there was [TS]

00:34:49   news of coke [TS]

00:34:50   Scott Scott expensive ok red in January [TS]

00:34:52   it was the best book ever judge you i [TS]

00:34:54   really liked the book i like to i [TS]

00:34:56   recommend it [TS]

00:34:57   yeah i did i do I like to although if [TS]

00:34:59   I'm here's my here's gonna be my [TS]

00:35:02   criticism of which is it this is this is [TS]

00:35:04   a I feel like this book originated and I [TS]

00:35:07   like the book but this was Peter Heller [TS]

00:35:09   who wrote this book [TS]

00:35:10   he's a pop-up pilot right [TS]

00:35:13   this is his fantasy this is his [TS]

00:35:15   apocalyptic fantasy it's like I mean not [TS]

00:35:18   talk too much I don't know anything [TS]

00:35:19   about his personal life but it's like [TS]

00:35:20   what would happen if the world ended but [TS]

00:35:22   I had like my wife died so i was single [TS]

00:35:24   and I gotta play and Ally should I ass [TS]

00:35:28   and I could fly around and I'll find [TS]

00:35:30   lovely lady who will love me because I'm [TS]

00:35:32   the only guy around and we'll make a [TS]

00:35:34   well fish and hunt have a little garden [TS]

00:35:35   and I get to see things in my plane and [TS]

00:35:38   nobody can hug me and there is an aspect [TS]

00:35:41   of that was just like this is this is [TS]

00:35:42   like the best apocalypse you could [TS]

00:35:44   possibly wish for if you're this guy [TS]

00:35:47   right i mean yeah some people died but i [TS]

00:35:49   got my plane I'm looking around I mean a [TS]

00:35:51   new girl i'm doing ok i could build [TS]

00:35:53   orphans love me as compared to the road [TS]

00:35:56   it's a pretty general well gee awesome [TS]

00:35:58   lips I got the feeling like listen [TS]

00:36:00   reading all the writing I got the [TS]

00:36:02   feeling that he at least the author but [TS]

00:36:05   it came thru is the character was more [TS]

00:36:07   in love with the nature of the [TS]

00:36:09   surrounding area where he went hunting [TS]

00:36:10   fishing sure then he was I distraught [TS]

00:36:14   over his wife dying like the love he [TS]

00:36:16   felt for like descriptions of like the [TS]

00:36:17   bark in the clouds and then the the [TS]

00:36:19   river water i felt the authors love for [TS]

00:36:22   that more than I felt the characters [TS]

00:36:23   love for his deceased 126 which is a [TS]

00:36:25   problem in the book I think he goes [TS]

00:36:27   realistically speaking I would imagine [TS]

00:36:29   you'd be more upset that you're working [TS]

00:36:31   i don't disagree with John get together [TS]

00:36:33   10 years ago because I feel like he's [TS]

00:36:34   the reason that he wakes up in this book [TS]

00:36:36   that we know when we first meet him he's [TS]

00:36:37   in that bizarre few mentally impounded [TS]

00:36:40   state is because he's dealing not just [TS]

00:36:44   with a lost civilization with the loss [TS]

00:36:45   of his family like I feel felt like that [TS]

00:36:47   that said this was definitely with him i [TS]

00:36:49   didn't i didn't feel like they have [TS]

00:36:51   flashbacks to his wife is like I had a [TS]

00:36:53   wife and I had to smother her with a [TS]

00:36:54   pillow was a real bummer but anyway let [TS]

00:36:56   me tell you about the park on street [TS]

00:36:57   it's awesome you know like maybe that [TS]

00:36:59   was supposed to be a transference type [TS]

00:37:00   thing but like the attention i lavished [TS]

00:37:03   with the writing on to those things [TS]

00:37:04   didn't and then we can compare it with [TS]

00:37:06   the road where I think the the attention [TS]

00:37:08   lavished on the things that the main [TS]

00:37:09   character cares about in that book is [TS]

00:37:11   proportional to how much they're trying [TS]

00:37:13   to get that you would think he would [TS]

00:37:14   care about them so i think both of these [TS]

00:37:16   books have a main character who is [TS]

00:37:18   seeking Redemption and and in many ways [TS]

00:37:21   fines fines it at the end [TS]

00:37:23   the difference is that the redemption [TS]

00:37:25   rig is I think it's a girlfriend and the [TS]

00:37:29   kids loved him and he can get so to have [TS]

00:37:31   a trucks and stuff and and all of that [TS]

00:37:34   was on the road there's the the [TS]

00:37:36   redemption is a much colder variety but [TS]

00:37:38   it is similar in that way that he's on [TS]

00:37:39   he's searching and he's trying to try to [TS]

00:37:42   make his world better and his buddy [TS]

00:37:43   bangla is not making his world better [TS]

00:37:46   and said they're just keeps staying [TS]

00:37:48   alive and by the end he's reset things [TS]

00:37:50   and has has made it you know at least [TS]

00:37:52   taken us step toward being a better a [TS]

00:37:54   better community [TS]

00:37:56   yeah you know I idea i like to do i I [TS]

00:37:59   there are issues I have with it but I I [TS]

00:38:01   like how it how it is about a guy like [TS]

00:38:03   essentially abandoning the you know [TS]

00:38:06   killer be killed a novel that he's been [TS]

00:38:09   written into and saying I'm out of here [TS]

00:38:11   and going in and having this having this [TS]

00:38:14   adventure you know I like that aspect of [TS]

00:38:16   it i think i like to less than all of [TS]

00:38:18   you although I will give this to it i do [TS]

00:38:21   like books about the end of the world [TS]

00:38:22   which seems like a single time ever on a [TS]

00:38:24   book club the last 1i was when we read [TS]

00:38:25   like those those apocalyptic a short [TS]

00:38:27   stories yeah right so I do like those [TS]

00:38:29   types of books and this one did to keep [TS]

00:38:31   me turning the pages to see what [TS]

00:38:32   happened uh but i would not read it [TS]

00:38:36   again and would not recommend somebody [TS]

00:38:37   read it because it's like it's like it [TS]

00:38:39   because it because of the amazing [TS]

00:38:40   similarities to the road right down to [TS]

00:38:42   the writing style the road is so much [TS]

00:38:44   better and I enjoyed it so much more i [TS]

00:38:46   agree that is a nice where dogs are as i [TS]

00:38:50   read the road it's better and it was not [TS]

00:38:53   the best people 13 if you can only read [TS]

00:38:56   one you should hit the road but i just [TS]

00:38:59   want to say though and I mean this is [TS]

00:39:00   the point of this episode of the [TS]

00:39:01   incomparable but i think it's totally [TS]

00:39:03   unfair to that and everybody does it but [TS]

00:39:06   I think it's totally unfair to compare [TS]

00:39:07   these two books in a sense of you know [TS]

00:39:10   saying these are two books that are the [TS]

00:39:11   same things I think they're totally [TS]

00:39:12   everything they're trying to do totally [TS]

00:39:13   different things i think one book is [TS]

00:39:15   about a Father's love for his son [TS]

00:39:17   yeah and i think one book is about a man [TS]

00:39:20   who's lost everything is trying to [TS]

00:39:21   identify himself on a man's love for his [TS]

00:39:24   dog and I decided premise wiser and yes [TS]

00:39:27   they're both looking into the world but [TS]

00:39:29   i think that i think they're totally [TS]

00:39:30   different books I think they both are [TS]

00:39:31   very good eye [TS]

00:39:32   only one is much better than the other I [TS]

00:39:34   would like I i well I wish to put it [TS]

00:39:37   this way i thought we were gonna come on [TS]

00:39:38   the show and all complained about the [TS]

00:39:39   dog starts with him right before the [TS]

00:39:40   show I saw Scott's thing that you [TS]

00:39:41   thought this is the best book like I'm [TS]

00:39:43   gonna be only one who didn't like this [TS]

00:39:44   book and sure he didn't read the road in [TS]

00:39:46   January I I didn't say I thought it was [TS]

00:39:48   the best book he's not allowed to the [TS]

00:39:51   one that you dread that month that you [TS]

00:39:52   read like 50 bucks a month so that's [TS]

00:39:53   saying something that's true but I also [TS]

00:39:55   said it's much worse than the road [TS]

00:39:57   yes that's that's true AI found it i can [TS]

00:40:00   i find memorable and I have visions of [TS]

00:40:02   like how I pictured parts of this book [TS]

00:40:03   we should also talk about the end before [TS]

00:40:05   we move onto the road and get really [TS]

00:40:07   depressed which is the end is the end [TS]

00:40:10   that you're thinking of the enemy they [TS]

00:40:11   come back and they find that bangle has [TS]

00:40:12   been injured and the kind of nurse him [TS]

00:40:14   back to health and and he brings the [TS]

00:40:17   woman who was a doctor to the kids and [TS]

00:40:19   sheets-sheet they've always kept a [TS]

00:40:21   distance and they touch the kids and no [TS]

00:40:23   yeah it's so nice and there are jet [TS]

00:40:25   trails from mysterious jets with arabic [TS]

00:40:29   on the radio that are going overhead [TS]

00:40:32   it's like where they coming from where [TS]

00:40:34   they going to and how is it that there [TS]

00:40:35   are people flying jets and you get the [TS]

00:40:37   sense that from his perspective it's [TS]

00:40:39   like dang I know I want to fly a jet [TS]

00:40:41   I just got the stupid Cessna is that [TS]

00:40:43   mean that's that's how it ends right or [TS]

00:40:45   am i forgetting something [TS]

00:40:47   now you've pretty much got it like that [TS]

00:40:48   but it they want you to save the like of [TS]

00:40:51   it now they're one big happy family [TS]

00:40:52   bangli didn't kill everyone on site he [TS]

00:40:54   was almost killed but he bravely fought [TS]

00:40:56   them off and now they have for people's [TS]

00:40:57   learning thing and i have they have a [TS]

00:40:59   doctor for the people with the blood [TS]

00:41:01   disease the building a community father [TS]

00:41:02   and bangla get along great for some [TS]

00:41:04   reason even though bangles and a firm [TS]

00:41:06   psychopath and the father is seemingly a [TS]

00:41:08   normal person I know and then like that [TS]

00:41:10   they're born big happy family and then [TS]

00:41:12   they have that be the rumors of the [TS]

00:41:13   Arabs and the jet things and stuff like [TS]

00:41:15   that maybe setting up for secrecy and [TS]

00:41:17   about or is it [TS]

00:41:18   yeah the end to it that that's it I mean [TS]

00:41:21   I guess I ice thought that bangli and [TS]

00:41:24   father were kind of bonding over there [TS]

00:41:25   kind of knowledge of weaponry and [TS]

00:41:28   survival right because they were the [TS]

00:41:29   survivalists of the pic of their pairs [TS]

00:41:32   yeah but one of them like the father was [TS]

00:41:33   like straight arrow legitimate military [TS]

00:41:35   family would have killed him the second [TS]

00:41:38   he put down your weapons that had just [TS]

00:41:40   want to talk and then both through that [TS]

00:41:41   I was always pictured bangli is being [TS]

00:41:43   like it [TS]

00:41:44   it was who's the guy with the hat in in [TS]

00:41:46   a in king of the hill who was the gun [TS]

00:41:50   nuttin on that I don't know that's [TS]

00:41:51   that's how I pictured bangla is he's [TS]

00:41:52   he's kind of a he has big ideas about [TS]

00:41:55   himself but in fact he is you know he's [TS]

00:41:58   just kind of a gun nut who's got his big [TS]

00:42:00   break [TS]

00:42:01   oh yeah the world ended now I can put my [TS]

00:42:03   plan into place where as the father is [TS]

00:42:05   like a military guy and actually knows [TS]

00:42:07   what he's doing [TS]

00:42:08   so yeah why do they get along I don't [TS]

00:42:09   know at the end of the world you gotta [TS]

00:42:10   find it was that it was a very advanced [TS]

00:42:13   but relatively speaking was a happy [TS]

00:42:15   ending people there was a nice happen if [TS]

00:42:17   you can be little hope we will be grown [TS]

00:42:20   and changes characters like no character [TS]

00:42:22   cared about died except for the dog that [TS]

00:42:24   was kind of a middle of typing it and [TS]

00:42:25   you know they don't live forever anyway [TS]

00:42:27   no nobody this transfer special hot dogs [TS]

00:42:31   well I ask Allie does but you know [TS]

00:42:32   that's a deep exhale right yeah no [TS]

00:42:35   that's good that's good we got two [TS]

00:42:37   little cloud breakfast final repose [TS]

00:42:39   there but yes i agree with John if you [TS]

00:42:41   can only for some reason through 12 but [TS]

00:42:44   I don't know when we got the time i [TS]

00:42:46   would say don't don't read the docs and [TS]

00:42:48   I do i would say you're anything you [TS]

00:42:49   write it off completely say don't even [TS]

00:42:51   bother i think it's very good and worth [TS]

00:42:52   reading [TS]

00:42:53   I i would not I i would not have chosen [TS]

00:42:55   to read it if it wasn't for this podcast [TS]

00:42:57   and although it kept me turning pages in [TS]

00:43:00   it i would not recommend what more can a [TS]

00:43:03   book to follow a lot more a lot more put [TS]

00:43:06   it this way remember in the name of the [TS]

00:43:08   wind books like the killer chronicles i [TS]

00:43:09   like both those books way more than the [TS]

00:43:11   dogstars well those were good books too [TS]

00:43:13   yeah I think you liked this book so i'm [TS]

00:43:15   not super however saying people use a [TS]

00:43:17   bit like just because I criticize [TS]

00:43:18   something that doesn't mean i think it's [TS]

00:43:19   not worth reading press 1i maybe just [TS]

00:43:21   didn't like the author like it didn't [TS]

00:43:23   yeah I don't like this one did not [TS]

00:43:25   connect all right fair not fair [TS]

00:43:27   wheres cotton and lex and i liked it i I [TS]

00:43:30   didn't love it i was at the two books i [TS]

00:43:33   got for christmas were the brook and [TS]

00:43:35   dogstars the work was way better this [TS]

00:43:37   but i liked it was right that one too [TS]

00:43:39   I made the wrong choice ok we should [TS]

00:43:41   talk about the road Cormac McCarthy 2006 [TS]

00:43:43   oprah's book club selection winner of [TS]

00:43:47   the Pulitzer Prize opens know about your [TS]

00:43:49   personal but select the copy i have is a [TS]

00:43:52   is an Oprah Book Club [TS]

00:43:54   heart paperback trade paperback form [TS]

00:43:56   like this the only one you have in paper [TS]

00:43:58   i do happen I want that's how long ago i [TS]

00:44:01   read this actually bought in the airport [TS]

00:44:03   when I was I had no books to read and I [TS]

00:44:06   was gonna take a long flight and I did [TS]

00:44:08   just come out and paper rushed into [TS]

00:44:10   paper because of Oprah cause of Oprah is [TS]

00:44:15   open wanted to make people sad i have in [TS]

00:44:18   pdb format which tells you how old it [TS]

00:44:20   wow yeah I i also have it in paper [TS]

00:44:23   format and i should note i offered to [TS]

00:44:25   give my copy to lex and he refused it [TS]

00:44:29   right i said that i would was reading [TS]

00:44:31   about my kindle it's the only way i read [TS]

00:44:32   i don't want your filthy Scott copy [TS]

00:44:35   right I regretted now I should have [TS]

00:44:37   taken it just because it would be only a [TS]

00:44:39   McNulty book and I can't believe I don't [TS]

00:44:41   you could write secret notes in the [TS]

00:44:42   margin yesternight it and I would never [TS]

00:44:44   see them because I don't read books this [TS]

00:44:46   character reminds me of yous got you [TS]

00:44:48   read it again when you forgot your [TS]

00:44:50   attitude about five years now i could [TS]

00:44:52   happen that could happen [TS]

00:44:54   this was so obviously open elected the [TS]

00:44:56   Pulitzer committee liked it [TS]

00:44:57   what if they know they made a movie out [TS]

00:45:00   of it with viggo mortensen right which i [TS]

00:45:02   haven't seen I haven't seen it [TS]

00:45:04   alright migrate least surprising movie [TS]

00:45:09   review ever happen [TS]

00:45:10   yeah I think about movies that I really [TS]

00:45:12   like and I hate movies that i really [TS]

00:45:14   hate and some of them are in the middle [TS]

00:45:16   that's weird i don't know i don't know [TS]

00:45:17   how to react to that John i have a [TS]

00:45:19   complete range that's interesting that's [TS]

00:45:21   right sometimes I imagined you as sort [TS]

00:45:23   of our bangli this little come on let's [TS]

00:45:31   have some fun no mm no I got a tower [TS]

00:45:34   here [TS]

00:45:34   ok I'm defended the tower that's what [TS]

00:45:36   I'll do who's big no-no is a big I'm [TS]

00:45:40   like a dog are so I die it's really [TS]

00:45:45   early on because you got to get to sleep [TS]

00:45:47   okay [TS]

00:45:48   the road you know it doesn't have a lot [TS]

00:45:51   of punctuation I guess that's a Cormac [TS]

00:45:53   McCarthy thing I actually haven't read [TS]

00:45:55   any of his other novels [TS]

00:45:57   has anybody anyone I mean no but I would [TS]

00:46:00   because of how much I liked the road it [TS]

00:46:02   is so great it is it is one of if I to [TS]

00:46:04   make a list of like the 10 my 10 [TS]

00:46:06   favorite books i think it would be on it [TS]

00:46:07   I don't know where it would rank or [TS]

00:46:09   anything like that but it is it as much [TS]

00:46:11   as we said it's dark it's dark as a as a [TS]

00:46:14   book can get it is depressing in some [TS]

00:46:15   ways as a book can get I think I told [TS]

00:46:18   this selects before he read it I said [TS]

00:46:19   you know you gotta read the road like I [TS]

00:46:21   don't know but it is it is one of my the [TS]

00:46:25   best books that I've read and it is [TS]

00:46:27   about a post-apocalyptic world and this [TS]

00:46:28   is not a clean apocalypse this is the [TS]

00:46:30   dirtiest of the dirty apocalypse right [TS]

00:46:32   this is the this is not even the people [TS]

00:46:34   have died this is every living thing is [TS]

00:46:38   dying there's like no plants anymore [TS]

00:46:40   everything is kind of like a gray mush [TS]

00:46:42   and whatever it was involved a [TS]

00:46:45   tremendous amount of fire and there are [TS]

00:46:47   still as international everywhere yeah [TS]

00:46:49   this is a great example because this [TS]

00:46:51   premise also makes no sense but it shows [TS]

00:46:53   that if you are good enough rider [TS]

00:46:55   doesn't matter it doesn't matter you [TS]

00:46:56   hear that your friends makes no sense [TS]

00:46:58   and you won't let you won't be expected [TS]

00:47:00   to explain it when she doesn't which is [TS]

00:47:02   fine like you're you're willing to [TS]

00:47:04   forgive a lot like we talked about the [TS]

00:47:05   writing without the punctuation and [TS]

00:47:06   everything it's a type of thing where [TS]

00:47:08   like when you see those car commercials [TS]

00:47:09   and they say a professional driver close [TS]

00:47:11   quarters do not attempt like that's this [TS]

00:47:13   right you know that's what I feel like [TS]

00:47:15   Peter how should it looks like it's not [TS]

00:47:17   easy it's hard enough to write a [TS]

00:47:18   straight-ahead book where you just write [TS]

00:47:20   regular pros you just do it in the [TS]

00:47:21   format novels do it or whatever he's [TS]

00:47:23   making his life more difficult by [TS]

00:47:25   writing this incredibly stylized away [TS]

00:47:27   just like that people follow along and [TS]

00:47:29   how do you express that is just amazing [TS]

00:47:30   that he manages to do it in an [TS]

00:47:32   unconventional way and keep everything [TS]

00:47:35   so you can tell what's going on and get [TS]

00:47:37   you wrapped up in the story and deliver [TS]

00:47:39   emotions and that he uses this different [TS]

00:47:42   style to convey things that would not be [TS]

00:47:44   as easy to convey with all the typical [TS]

00:47:46   punctuation everything so i was really [TS]

00:47:48   the first book of his i read it was as [TS]

00:47:49   well and I was blown away by the writing [TS]

00:47:51   even beyond the sewing I did not think [TS]

00:47:53   that the lack of punctuation help the [TS]

00:47:55   story i don't think it hurt but I take [TS]

00:47:57   some getting used to it's a style thing [TS]

00:47:59   it takes some getting onto like the [TS]

00:48:00   spirit of consciousness it's not just [TS]

00:48:01   like punctuation that he won't do [TS]

00:48:03   paragraph breaks for changes in speech [TS]

00:48:05   or when something so it'll be into it [TS]

00:48:06   it reads more like a spirit cautious [TS]

00:48:08   type diary just like writing stuff out [TS]

00:48:10   and I think that lends an air of sort of [TS]

00:48:13   misery and you know sort of like it that [TS]

00:48:17   the trenching through and just like that [TS]

00:48:19   you know that you're alone with your [TS]

00:48:20   thoughts and you don't know what's going [TS]

00:48:21   on things just one flows into the other [TS]

00:48:23   and the fact that there's only two [TS]

00:48:24   people like two characters in the book [TS]

00:48:26   the boy and his father [TS]

00:48:28   there's no need for the structure [TS]

00:48:30   because they are the only two people [TS]

00:48:31   left in the world and I thought that did [TS]

00:48:32   add to it i thought it i thought having [TS]

00:48:34   those phrases out there and then when he [TS]

00:48:36   does choose to break them up like big [TS]

00:48:38   block paragraph conversation and then [TS]

00:48:40   broken up with not just line breaks but [TS]

00:48:41   separate paragraphs for the lines of [TS]

00:48:43   more significant exchanges I thought [TS]

00:48:45   that adds to the experience to maybe [TS]

00:48:47   it's just a novelty of ever read like [TS]

00:48:49   five of his books and seconded by [TS]

00:48:50   creating the one that really work did we [TS]

00:48:52   do this in opposite this book and we [TS]

00:48:53   have we told the people what it's about [TS]

00:48:55   well so i can do that it is again it's [TS]

00:48:58   not even post-apocalyptic it's like the [TS]

00:49:00   world isn't coming to an end in the road [TS]

00:49:02   the world hasn't ended [TS]

00:49:03   there's nothing there's no the first [TS]

00:49:05   page of the book is the end yeah there's [TS]

00:49:07   nothing like nothing is alive [TS]

00:49:10   basically I it's so post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:49:13   that all vegetation has been destroyed [TS]

00:49:15   either by the cut the calamity or by the [TS]

00:49:17   people in the aftermath of it there are [TS]

00:49:18   no animals alive anymore they've all [TS]

00:49:20   been killed know you know insects [TS]

00:49:22   there's nothing laughing eat [TS]

00:49:25   there's just drink people and the [TS]

00:49:27   detritus that was left behind by people [TS]

00:49:29   and this father who and their no-name [TS]

00:49:31   characters in this the father and the [TS]

00:49:33   Son the mother during the calamity [TS]

00:49:36   killed herself as she was pregnant with [TS]

00:49:40   the boy and the boy is delivered and [TS]

00:49:42   raised by the father and they decide [TS]

00:49:44   that winter is coming but not that way [TS]

00:49:46   George for their no dragons [TS]

00:49:49   winter is coming and they can survive [TS]

00:49:51   where they are so they they go walk down [TS]

00:49:53   the road toward the South hoping to find [TS]

00:49:55   someplace warmer because it you know it [TS]

00:49:57   be implicated in the implication is that [TS]

00:49:59   there's a nuclear winter kind of thing [TS]

00:50:01   going on and everything is really messed [TS]

00:50:03   up and so they head down our road with a [TS]

00:50:08   like a shopping cart and that the [TS]

00:50:11   problem is they're not the last two [TS]

00:50:12   people alive there are still people [TS]

00:50:14   alive and they're the ones who survived [TS]

00:50:16   by largely killing other people and are [TS]

00:50:19   not shameless about it and there's a lot [TS]

00:50:22   of kind of horrible things that they see [TS]

00:50:24   that our house [TS]

00:50:26   opening when people are trying to [TS]

00:50:27   survive by killing other people and [TS]

00:50:29   taking their stuff and and eating them [TS]

00:50:31   because there are no animals to eat so [TS]

00:50:33   they're eating other people and that's [TS]

00:50:35   where we got that aforementioned baby on [TS]

00:50:37   the spit and that you know and that was [TS]

00:50:40   probably the worst of the book [TS]

00:50:42   yeah that was one of the people the [TS]

00:50:43   basement is quite the people basically [TS]

00:50:45   what i would say is it a tie [TS]

00:50:46   Hera wing stuff that happens and then at [TS]

00:50:49   the at the end i'm not going to spoil [TS]

00:50:52   her horn this because come on guys this [TS]

00:50:53   book's been out for you know six seven [TS]

00:50:55   years at the end happy the father dies [TS]

00:50:57   but because he was suffering from a [TS]

00:51:00   sickness you get stickers by the [TS]

00:51:01   post-apocalyptic conditions that are [TS]

00:51:03   living in that his lung disease it was [TS]

00:51:05   clear from the beginning it's just a [TS]

00:51:06   matter of time whereas coughing worse [TS]

00:51:07   and he's going to die so during the [TS]

00:51:09   whole book you know that's gonna happen [TS]

00:51:10   you know that he knows that's gonna [TS]

00:51:12   happen and you kinda sorta know the kids [TS]

00:51:15   senses as well we'll just put this giant [TS]

00:51:17   dark cloud cloud over all the [TS]

00:51:19   proceedings as if you didn't need [TS]

00:51:20   another thing that I i well we were [TS]

00:51:22   talking about these books right at the [TS]

00:51:23   start I was saying how post-apocalyptic [TS]

00:51:25   books to press me in large part because [TS]

00:51:28   i realize how ineffectual I would be [TS]

00:51:30   post-apocalyptic Lee although it still [TS]

00:51:32   pick a better place to live in John but [TS]

00:51:34   i am you know this one really was [TS]

00:51:38   emotional because you can tell i mean i [TS]

00:51:40   don't know i had a father I couldn't [TS]

00:51:41   help but picture me with my own son or [TS]

00:51:44   other kid and wanting to do not use on [TS]

00:51:48   children right thinking of [TS]

00:51:49   thank you how you know how you're going [TS]

00:51:52   to bring the school I was thinking about [TS]

00:51:53   how did this kid learn language how does [TS]

00:51:54   this kid know what half these words mean [TS]

00:51:56   that his father is using to refer to [TS]

00:51:58   things that no longer exists but I [TS]

00:51:59   should think about how you try to teach [TS]

00:52:01   them how you try to motivate him to walk [TS]

00:52:02   each day but I mean I don't know to me [TS]

00:52:05   is the book is really less about the [TS]

00:52:08   existence of the Apocalypse than it is [TS]

00:52:09   about you know this father trying to do [TS]

00:52:12   best by his so in this situation where [TS]

00:52:14   best is extremely lousy yeah this is us [TS]

00:52:17   this is a story about this what i told [TS]

00:52:19   you when I told you need to read this is [TS]

00:52:20   this is the this is the best thing i [TS]

00:52:23   have ever read about a parent's love for [TS]

00:52:25   their child [TS]

00:52:25   that's right there as well as and and [TS]

00:52:27   what would you do for your children and [TS]

00:52:29   you know and and I think I've told the [TS]

00:52:30   story of a podcast before but when [TS]

00:52:32   you're when you're a parent and sorry [TS]

00:52:34   sorry Scott I'm going to just you can [TS]

00:52:37   tune out for something but when you're a [TS]

00:52:38   parent [TS]

00:52:39   things happen that completely away like [TS]

00:52:42   I remember walking on a sidewalk over [TS]

00:52:45   like an overpass with my with my [TS]

00:52:47   daughter when she was little and this [TS]

00:52:49   guy was coming the other way and all of [TS]

00:52:51   a sudden I thought with that can try [TS]

00:52:52   something I'm going to kill him like I'm [TS]

00:52:54   gonna I'm gonna kill him and even if it [TS]

00:52:56   even if I die I'm going to protect my [TS]

00:52:58   child because it was like precarious and [TS]

00:52:59   it was this high place that we were [TS]

00:53:01   walking over and it's just you know what [TS]

00:53:03   will we did that come from the answer is [TS]

00:53:05   I'm gonna pretend I'm gonna do anything [TS]

00:53:06   I can to protect my children the magic [TS]

00:53:08   of evolution and I know and this book [TS]

00:53:10   that I mean that's really what it is is [TS]

00:53:12   there's there's kind of nothing that can [TS]

00:53:14   be done you could just give up but he's [TS]

00:53:16   a father and he's taking care of his son [TS]

00:53:17   and he's not gonna give up and you know [TS]

00:53:20   that that's what this is about really [TS]

00:53:22   more than anything else is it doesn't [TS]

00:53:24   matter what the world is going to throw [TS]

00:53:25   at you and how hopeless it actually is [TS]

00:53:27   his you know his only duty is to protect [TS]

00:53:30   his son as much as you can that's why i [TS]

00:53:32   don't see it is as so much of depressing [TS]

00:53:34   book because I like under the year ended [TS]

00:53:36   on your circumstances you're like well [TS]

00:53:37   I'm living in a regular world the world [TS]

00:53:39   goes on but i'm going to i would [TS]

00:53:40   sacrifice myself to save my child but [TS]

00:53:42   this scenario in the book is so much [TS]

00:53:44   more dire be what am I even saving for [TS]

00:53:47   like yeah what's the what's the point [TS]

00:53:49   and to be able to like this the strength [TS]

00:53:51   of the the father character in the book [TS]

00:53:52   is to be able to he's fighting against [TS]

00:53:55   the idea of like the pointlessness of it [TS]

00:53:57   all [TS]

00:53:57   why you know day-to-day so what I'm [TS]

00:54:00   extending his life in this horrible [TS]

00:54:01   world seems like we're all going to die [TS]

00:54:02   anyway and it seems like an obvious i'm [TS]

00:54:04   going to die from the sickness and my [TS]

00:54:06   son is going to die anyway because even [TS]

00:54:08   if no one kills them or eat them or [TS]

00:54:09   anything like that like there's no [TS]

00:54:11   future for him or whatever and yet he [TS]

00:54:12   despite this these conditions does not [TS]

00:54:15   fall into the depths of despair and [TS]

00:54:17   continues to fight the good fight for [TS]

00:54:19   his son right up to the bitter end [TS]

00:54:21   despite the the condition so it's like [TS]

00:54:22   trying for you know a triumph of his own [TS]

00:54:25   willpower not to succumb to the darkness [TS]

00:54:27   took his wife you know I mean so I find [TS]

00:54:29   it's kind of an uplifting message [TS]

00:54:31   seeking I definitely don't agree with [TS]

00:54:33   that and i think that this is probably [TS]

00:54:34   why I think I enjoyed the book the least [TS]

00:54:37   of the panelists i really liked the book [TS]

00:54:39   and that's another one that i recommend [TS]

00:54:40   but [TS]

00:54:42   and the thing I wrestled with upon [TS]

00:54:44   finishing the book and we we do try to [TS]

00:54:45   end on a slightly uplifting note you [TS]

00:54:48   know the boys gonna go be with some [TS]

00:54:49   other people who are also surviving for [TS]

00:54:51   the hell of it you see you assume those [TS]

00:54:53   people are not going to eat them right [TS]

00:54:54   but I felt pretty confident about that [TS]

00:54:56   but I am I don't know I I felt like [TS]

00:54:59   maybe we the father has not made the [TS]

00:55:01   right decision that may be the better [TS]

00:55:03   way to serve this kid and himself mr. [TS]

00:55:05   motherboard out of their misery and I [TS]

00:55:06   don't have time i offer a Lexus children [TS]

00:55:08   a Cylon my castle and the hottest father [TS]

00:55:11   apparently is decided you're not worth [TS]

00:55:13   saving [TS]

00:55:13   you have your welcome to comedy well no [TS]

00:55:15   I mean this is exactly do you know Jason [TS]

00:55:17   the point a long time ago about Robert [TS]

00:55:19   Kirkman and the walking dead and Lords I [TS]

00:55:22   have said to each other hang himself yes [TS]

00:55:24   right Lauren and I said to each other [TS]

00:55:25   that if there was on the apocalypse [TS]

00:55:26   would kill all the children and [TS]

00:55:27   ourselves like we're not going to have [TS]

00:55:29   them go through the anything if you know [TS]

00:55:31   I don't have to be really sure that [TS]

00:55:33   right thank you [TS]

00:55:35   I think here's Bobby I'll be right back [TS]

00:55:37   united game of thrones he's just a man [TS]

00:55:39   with the limp like horrible i have to [TS]

00:55:44   you know be okay while I'm ranting about [TS]

00:55:46   this blog excuse there's other things [TS]

00:55:48   that the bottom and again I want to [TS]

00:55:50   stress i really liked the book but here [TS]

00:55:51   are three things that stuck out to me [TS]

00:55:53   that I don't like this is off the top of [TS]

00:55:54   my head down and watch them it really [TS]

00:55:56   bothers me that the boy does not happen [TS]

00:55:57   name i understand that it's where [TS]

00:55:59   post-apocalyptic there's nothing to live [TS]

00:56:01   for and everything is horrible but it [TS]

00:56:03   really makes me a tough boy should have [TS]

00:56:04   a name a father should have a name that [TS]

00:56:05   he calls his son he may have a name but [TS]

00:56:07   we just don't know what he has a name [TS]

00:56:09   they just doesn't say it but he never [TS]

00:56:10   says that the father never says we have [TS]

00:56:12   many many many lines of dialogue why he [TS]

00:56:14   wanted you need to address them by name [TS]

00:56:16   who else is going to become the person [TS]

00:56:17   that was a boy should have a name [TS]

00:56:19   the boy needs an identity the boys [TS]

00:56:21   having that I think I think he has 1i [TS]

00:56:23   think he has a name to we just don't [TS]

00:56:24   know I want to hear it [TS]

00:56:26   the father should use the name alright [TS]

00:56:28   so the father should use the boy's name [TS]

00:56:29   it will help you get more [TS]

00:56:30   self-confidence in school it's a really [TS]

00:56:32   embarrassing name like a Luger some yeah [TS]

00:56:36   yeah that's not you don't want to use it [TS]

00:56:39   really Kim can't pronounce it being too [TS]

00:56:41   is they find that this beautiful theater [TS]

00:56:46   bunker shelter i have the fallout [TS]

00:56:47   shelter yes they find the beautiful buzz [TS]

00:56:49   my favorite part of the book and leave [TS]

00:56:51   it way too soon and why don't we fight [TS]

00:56:53   to keep this thing for a little bit [TS]

00:56:55   where they forced out no he's just like [TS]

00:56:56   no no with this is a witness is out [TS]

00:56:58   undercover people will find it [TS]

00:57:00   he says it's like nobody found it so far [TS]

00:57:02   exactly what's the other alternative [TS]

00:57:04   dude you're gonna over they might kill [TS]

00:57:06   us well you're gonna die anyway want to [TS]

00:57:07   die happy [TS]

00:57:08   surrounded by canned food i did read in [TS]

00:57:11   John time ago but I i seem to recall a [TS]

00:57:13   bit at least I understood from my [TS]

00:57:16   perspective when i read that part it was [TS]

00:57:18   like I believed when the man said we [TS]

00:57:22   have to leave because of x y&z I was [TS]

00:57:24   like all that makes sense given what I [TS]

00:57:25   know this world so I didn't think they [TS]

00:57:27   left it too soon i was sad when they [TS]

00:57:29   left but I i agreed with the [TS]

00:57:30   inevitability of them having to leave [TS]

00:57:32   and like maybe you know I i had exactly [TS]

00:57:34   Jason thought was that this has been [TS]

00:57:35   nobody has found this in all this time [TS]

00:57:37   this is horse for the keeping and I [TS]

00:57:40   would rather die then on the road and I [TS]

00:57:42   may never find supplies there so [TS]

00:57:43   presumably they would have gone through [TS]

00:57:44   everything anybody you didn't years I [TS]

00:57:47   don't think it will ask them you know [TS]

00:57:48   didn't he ballpark that the figure on it [TS]

00:57:51   when he found the place that it was like [TS]

00:57:52   you know it's couple of good months [TS]

00:57:54   maybe a year but not you know not [TS]

00:57:55   everybody can do it you I think you [TS]

00:57:57   would opt to take that year as opposed [TS]

00:58:00   to traipsing around in understandable [TS]

00:58:04   castle with you with your shopping that [TS]

00:58:07   goes back to his his philosophy here [TS]

00:58:09   which is he he's not he's not content [TS]

00:58:12   with biding time and just having them [TS]

00:58:14   die he's trying to do whatever he can to [TS]

00:58:16   keep your son alive and and live his [TS]

00:58:19   life and in that bunker if they get to [TS]

00:58:22   the end I guess the idea would be you [TS]

00:58:23   get to the end of it and then you just [TS]

00:58:24   move on but I think he's feeling like [TS]

00:58:26   the bad weather is pressing on them and [TS]

00:58:27   they need to keep moving and and you [TS]

00:58:30   know he's really focused on this end [TS]

00:58:32   game and the endgame is kind of [TS]

00:58:33   questionable right the endgame is well [TS]

00:58:35   we won't be dead yet and he'll be [TS]

00:58:37   further south and maybe things will be [TS]

00:58:39   better and maybe we'll find something [TS]

00:58:40   maybe things are okay at South America [TS]

00:58:42   with flickering last bit of flickering [TS]

00:58:45   hope that's left in the world and if we [TS]

00:58:47   stay here we're kind of just saying [TS]

00:58:48   we're gonna eat and then we're gonna die [TS]

00:58:50   so we're going to keep moving with that [TS]

00:58:52   last bit of home plus mechanically [TS]

00:58:53   speaking like you can't the book can't [TS]

00:58:55   come to a conclusion that the healthy of [TS]

00:58:56   the place you know I mean I could've [TS]

00:58:57   just done a fast forward in time like [TS]

00:58:59   and a year passes and well kids were out [TS]

00:59:00   of supplies you know that would've [TS]

00:59:01   solved that mechanically speaking you [TS]

00:59:03   need to you need to get them out of the [TS]

00:59:04   bunker to get to the rest of the book [TS]

00:59:05   yeah I just the the other thing that [TS]

00:59:08   this is very difficult for me as a [TS]

00:59:09   father I guess again was you know it at [TS]

00:59:13   least for me I think I might have been a [TS]

00:59:14   little bit slow on this and then I [TS]

00:59:15   wasn't getting the point right away or [TS]

00:59:16   maybe it's intentionally written so that [TS]

00:59:18   you only slowly realize what's going on [TS]

00:59:20   but the boys trained to use a gun at [TS]

00:59:21   first I thought the boy was trained to [TS]

00:59:23   use the gun and he knew what he had to [TS]

00:59:24   do with the gun in an emergency was you [TS]

00:59:26   know to help kill the bad guys but [TS]

00:59:28   eventually realized that in fact no he [TS]

00:59:30   needs to use the gun to kill himself if [TS]

00:59:32   they're going to be captured so that he [TS]

00:59:33   won't be eaten or so that he won't have [TS]

00:59:35   to suffer somebody else's hand I guess [TS]

00:59:37   before he was even he'll probably still [TS]

00:59:39   be but I didn't I objected to the father [TS]

00:59:43   teaching his son that I think that's a [TS]

00:59:45   lot to put on a son that kids at it then [TS]

00:59:47   you just go through how you're going to [TS]

00:59:48   kill your kids ambiance and your [TS]

00:59:50   grandfather kill them but i'm going to [TS]

00:59:52   teach them inside kill the final [TS]

00:59:54   seriously so they want to see their [TS]

00:59:55   siblings go from they can see the kids i [TS]

00:59:58   want to say that they can see there [TS]

00:59:58   want to say that they can see there [TS]

01:00:00   please I they're only gonna have two [TS]

01:00:01   seconds to suffer from that but I'm just [TS]

01:00:02   saying I don't like I'm not teaching my [TS]

01:00:04   kids to kill themselves the problem i [TS]

01:00:06   have with your plan [TS]

01:00:07   Lex profanity not the slaughtering [TS]

01:00:12   children not that's what's really [TS]

01:00:15   offensive when you get down to it [TS]

01:00:17   that's right the bark ellipse is no [TS]

01:00:18   place for profanity but typically yeah i [TS]

01:00:22   think if i hopes so on these podcast [TS]

01:00:26   before we talked about apocalypses in [TS]

01:00:28   the the book club we did last year and [TS]

01:00:30   in the walking dead and and and some [TS]

01:00:32   others and I always talk about the clean [TS]

01:00:35   apocalypse and the dirty apocalypse and [TS]

01:00:37   I clean apocalypses bother me that [TS]

01:00:39   people are it's the end of the world but [TS]

01:00:40   everybody's watch their hair and you [TS]

01:00:43   know their supplies and it's fine and [TS]

01:00:46   and one of the reasons that I really [TS]

01:00:48   love the road and maybe this says [TS]

01:00:50   something about me as a person and my [TS]

01:00:51   about my view of humanity is I look at [TS]

01:00:54   the road and think [TS]

01:00:55   yep that's what would happen in [TS]

01:00:57   Apocalypse this is how the end of the [TS]

01:00:59   world happens is everybody kills [TS]

01:01:02   everybody else does horrible things it [TS]

01:01:05   cannibalism you name it whatever it's [TS]

01:01:07   not there's no there's no semblance of [TS]

01:01:09   civilization you know the you know clean [TS]

01:01:12   apocalypse stories are these fantasies [TS]

01:01:14   of well you know the world ended but [TS]

01:01:17   that's good for us because we have our [TS]

01:01:18   little community and i look at the road [TS]

01:01:20   and I'm like yep i think for whatever [TS]

01:01:22   reason I this is this is how i view the [TS]

01:01:25   end of the world is that it's gonna end [TS]

01:01:26   like this it's not gonna even hit and [TS]

01:01:29   his buddies have their like a little [TS]

01:01:30   time at the at the airport the fact is [TS]

01:01:32   the gas is going to run out everything [TS]

01:01:34   is gonna go bad and in the end [TS]

01:01:36   everybody's gonna kill each other and [TS]

01:01:37   either revert to just barbarism in that [TS]

01:01:42   case or in this case everybody will just [TS]

01:01:43   be dead [TS]

01:01:44   well does that does that up p on the PLT [TS]

01:01:47   over like you really think that's what [TS]

01:01:49   would happen because assuming people [TS]

01:01:51   could live on like even if you send them [TS]

01:01:53   back to caveman times though reinvent [TS]

01:01:55   will be right by guys with drones a [TS]

01:01:57   progressively would restrict the failure [TS]

01:01:59   the failure in there [TS]

01:02:00   this is the reason why the road pushes [TS]

01:02:02   it beyond the limits as the road has [TS]

01:02:04   created a catastrophe so enormous that [TS]

01:02:07   there's nothing left and it's literally [TS]

01:02:08   have to come back nobody's going to make [TS]

01:02:10   it this is this is so clearly the end [TS]

01:02:12   of everything and in reality our world [TS]

01:02:16   and our ecosystem is remarkably [TS]

01:02:18   resilient and and even you know it would [TS]

01:02:22   try as we might the world still going to [TS]

01:02:24   be here and life is going to be on it [TS]

01:02:27   and maybe even people are going to be on [TS]

01:02:29   it in a park after the apocalypse but [TS]

01:02:31   you're right they would root they would [TS]

01:02:33   return to savagery and in the road and [TS]

01:02:35   pushes it a little beyond that but i [TS]

01:02:37   think it captures that slavery like [TS]

01:02:39   savagery yeah life is ending and like [TS]

01:02:41   this not going to be anything left which [TS]

01:02:43   you know again it's on that doesn't make [TS]

01:02:44   any sense it is unrealistic for the [TS]

01:02:46   purposes of the book that's the premise [TS]

01:02:47   and they don't have to explain it you [TS]

01:02:48   know [TS]

01:02:49   yeah but i do like I like that aspect of [TS]

01:02:51   it it's like unapologetically like you [TS]

01:02:53   know heat demand has this hope but it's [TS]

01:02:56   a completely unreasonable hope because [TS]

01:02:57   every sign everywhere literally every [TS]

01:03:00   sign is that it's over [TS]

01:03:02   and yet he will not give up and we're [TS]

01:03:05   trying to take care of this just like [TS]

01:03:06   the keeper of the flavors are hearing [TS]

01:03:08   the final exam sort of metaphor for two [TS]

01:03:10   despite the fact that it's hopeless [TS]

01:03:12   you should still continue on whatever [TS]

01:03:14   flame is the Lex doesn't have that's [TS]

01:03:16   what I mean teach you the Johnny [TS]

01:03:21   references before I think this scene [TS]

01:03:23   where they they happened upon a house [TS]

01:03:24   that could be greater than turns out [TS]

01:03:26   that it's got a basement dungeon with [TS]

01:03:27   people who they're slowly eating a piece [TS]

01:03:30   by piece like that you don't want did [TS]

01:03:32   you buy that like to get me Jason you're [TS]

01:03:35   saying you like the dirty pakistan and i [TS]

01:03:37   would agree but I i think it i mean the [TS]

01:03:41   this guy is know that the guy at the [TS]

01:03:43   center of our story who is also nameless [TS]

01:03:45   does not seem like he is a special or [TS]

01:03:48   unique in any way that he's just kind of [TS]

01:03:50   a good guy in his inclination was never [TS]

01:03:52   hey let's eat people we find I feel like [TS]

01:03:55   it was the book almost took it too easy [TS]

01:03:58   and said you know what a lot of these [TS]

01:03:59   people are just eating other people [TS]

01:04:01   because that's all the food they can [TS]

01:04:02   find but he's finding ways to stay alive [TS]

01:04:04   without resorting to eating people [TS]

01:04:06   I don't know that I could eat a person [TS]

01:04:07   when there were any other options but [TS]

01:04:09   most of those people have been eaten by [TS]

01:04:10   this point that's actually I don't go [TS]

01:04:12   back to the dogs is another thing like [TS]

01:04:14   there is an people eating in the dog [TS]

01:04:15   stars as well and it's like why you've [TS]

01:04:17   got deer and like I mean I know you say [TS]

01:04:19   like some of that the big Fisher going [TS]

01:04:20   away trucks full of stuff [TS]

01:04:23   Twinkies are in the trucks with the soda [TS]

01:04:25   like that seems [TS]

01:04:26   increases there is just seemed like it [TS]

01:04:28   was a blogger we have to eat people but [TS]

01:04:29   this is what happens again with the road [TS]

01:04:32   behind the road though like I got the [TS]

01:04:34   feeling that the father and the son were [TS]

01:04:36   not being we're not successful they were [TS]

01:04:38   not being do it you know succeeding and [TS]

01:04:40   supposed to popular works the degree [TS]

01:04:41   that the guys who like had a house and [TS]

01:04:43   had a system for enslaving meeting [TS]

01:04:44   people they seem to be more like these [TS]

01:04:46   guys I felt that it was kind of like [TS]

01:04:48   that you know salmon for a walkthrough [TS]

01:04:50   Mordor they're just like they're just [TS]

01:04:52   put upon by the weather by just like [TS]

01:04:54   everything that constantly running out [TS]

01:04:55   of food they're not thriving and the [TS]

01:04:57   post-apocalyptic world not even to the [TS]

01:04:59   degree that the the crazy cannibal so I [TS]

01:05:01   feel like cannibalism was actually more [TS]

01:05:02   successful strategy in terms of standard [TS]

01:05:05   of living but they're not doing it for [TS]

01:05:07   moral reasons right not that I i agree [TS]

01:05:09   with everything you just said I'm just [TS]

01:05:11   saying I'm surprised I don't know the [TS]

01:05:13   book suggested to me at least that the [TS]

01:05:15   vast majority of survivors were on board [TS]

01:05:18   with eat or be easy and that's that [TS]

01:05:20   struck me as unusual [TS]

01:05:22   well you know the the vast majority do [TS]

01:05:24   not need to be on board put the way just [TS]

01:05:26   people who have to common grounds are [TS]

01:05:28   going to eat every betfair all right [TS]

01:05:31   so--okay so we're far enough along that [TS]

01:05:33   survival of the hungriest has left it so [TS]

01:05:37   that the only people after the eaters if [TS]

01:05:39   you go with the optimistic scenario the [TS]

01:05:41   end of the book the guys the boy finds [TS]

01:05:42   on the beach presumably those are more [TS]

01:05:44   of the good people if you believe that [TS]

01:05:46   that's what they have to be because they [TS]

01:05:48   are the roads that is following him for [TS]

01:05:50   so Lawrence if they weren't if they were [TS]

01:05:52   anything but good people they wouldn't [TS]

01:05:54   have kept following them for so long [TS]

01:05:55   without capturing meeting why were they [TS]

01:05:57   what makes you believe they're falling [TS]

01:05:58   for so long they told us so [TS]

01:06:00   oh that's okay one line they wouldn't [TS]

01:06:02   like me and like it's very optimistic [TS]

01:06:04   about yeah i like the fact that it's [TS]

01:06:06   ambiguous I the fact that they didn't do [TS]

01:06:08   the and they lived happily ever after [TS]

01:06:10   they took care of the boy who never [TS]

01:06:11   anything bad happen to me can I like the [TS]

01:06:12   fact that it's open to interpretation [TS]

01:06:14   you can decide for yourself do you [TS]

01:06:15   believe these people do not believe them [TS]

01:06:17   is a deploy they can roast that boy or [TS]

01:06:19   safe with them re or will he be safe [TS]

01:06:22   within three days and the cannibals will [TS]

01:06:23   get them all you know you're you're [TS]

01:06:24   allowed to play that usually that annoys [TS]

01:06:26   me but in this one I felt like the real [TS]

01:06:28   ending of the book was the father died [TS]

01:06:29   and that whole thing and this was just [TS]

01:06:30   kind of like the epilogue and [TS]

01:06:32   I was good with it being ambiguous was [TS]

01:06:34   anybody else terrified during the boat [TS]

01:06:35   scenes near the end I did not like that [TS]

01:06:38   he kept leaving the kid for such long [TS]

01:06:40   time and I've as a wall-sized a walking [TS]

01:06:42   dead thing to watch your kids what are [TS]

01:06:43   you doing [TS]

01:06:44   keep your eye on them they're right [TS]

01:06:46   there I don't know what the solution was [TS]

01:06:47   what made ya the I thought for sure that [TS]

01:06:49   something horrible is gonna happen to [TS]

01:06:50   the kid which it did not well-liked at [TS]

01:06:52   that point he was up against the wall [TS]

01:06:54   because basically you know he was going [TS]

01:06:55   to die he knew he was gonna die soon [TS]

01:06:57   they they needed whatever always getting [TS]

01:06:59   on the boat like medical supplies or [TS]

01:07:01   something out like it was his endgame [TS]

01:07:03   with that point is like a look at that [TS]

01:07:05   if ever there was a time where I have to [TS]

01:07:06   make this risk to leave my kid and you [TS]

01:07:08   know like that busy died like 10 pages [TS]

01:07:10   later right so a little longer yeah yeah [TS]

01:07:13   I mean desperate times desperate [TS]

01:07:15   measures but yeah i mean that's that's [TS]

01:07:17   just an heightening tensions you know in [TS]

01:07:18   terms of movies with kids in danger and [TS]

01:07:21   stuff like that it wasn't gratuitous [TS]

01:07:22   like it isn't walking dead where you [TS]

01:07:23   just like a where you stay here and I'm [TS]

01:07:25   not gonna watch I want you closer than [TS]

01:07:26   this in the mall but independent zombie [TS]

01:07:28   apocalypse you guys just go outside and [TS]

01:07:29   play for a while I don't really pay [TS]

01:07:31   attention to what you're doing i also [TS]

01:07:32   like that in in this apocalypse my [TS]

01:07:35   favorite apocalypse is where the people [TS]

01:07:36   are the problem you know zombies are [TS]

01:07:38   nice and all but zombies are like the [TS]

01:07:39   weather you know any good even like in [TS]

01:07:41   The Walking Dead the nice thing about it [TS]

01:07:43   is the zombies are there but the problem [TS]

01:07:45   is the people and that's what i like [TS]

01:07:46   about the road is that you know the [TS]

01:07:48   people are going to be people are way [TS]

01:07:50   worse than zombies zombies can't think [TS]

01:07:52   they just wander around people can plan [TS]

01:07:54   and do horrible things that are more [TS]

01:07:55   horrible because they thought out [TS]

01:07:57   there's no radiation there's no no [TS]

01:08:00   disease no alien invaders eating people [TS]

01:08:03   is just everyone's dead [TS]

01:08:04   well there's gray goo & rash and [TS]

01:08:06   everything's been great girls just [TS]

01:08:08   Asheville yeah well okay well reigns and [TS]

01:08:10   then it's great to my guess and it's bad [TS]

01:08:13   enough that greater good looking to [TS]

01:08:15   improve our actually get description [TS]

01:08:16   it's a totally different apocalypse the [TS]

01:08:18   great google cup apocalypse [TS]

01:08:19   yes [TS]

01:08:20   yeah for lucky with blacks will be dead [TS]

01:08:24   by then but you know that he's a dust [TS]

01:08:27   bunnies often as well if I did you can [TS]

01:08:29   trust that my children are too haha for [TS]

01:08:32   their in John's magical castle in [TS]

01:08:34   England that he's flown to in his [TS]

01:08:36   transparent Jesse minas tirith you know [TS]

01:08:39   it's built up against the mountain [TS]

01:08:40   yeah good Edinburgh Castle that's where [TS]

01:08:42   you're gonna be you're gonna be at the [TS]

01:08:42   top of that bro Castle in Scotland up [TS]

01:08:46   against the mountain [TS]

01:08:47   perfect that's the way to do it can only [TS]

01:08:49   be attacked you have a hang glider up [TS]

01:08:51   there so if they really do surround you [TS]

01:08:52   can just go see the suckers that you [TS]

01:08:54   offer your hands i retreat into the [TS]

01:08:56   glittering caves or whatever that's a [TS]

01:08:58   home sleep okay many cat many passes [TS]

01:09:00   fictional and non-fictional order that [TS]

01:09:02   you're gonna flee into the lord of the [TS]

01:09:03   rings in eastern apocalypse you might [TS]

01:09:06   want to pick a non-fictional castle [TS]

01:09:08   I don't know a little bit isn't it isn't [TS]

01:09:11   home sleep real somewhere in New Zealand [TS]

01:09:12   now it's made of styrofoam but that's [TS]

01:09:15   perfect and are more defensible in an [TS]

01:09:17   airport museum is good very defensible [TS]

01:09:20   Waterhouse I'd that's true [TS]

01:09:22   keep the invaders at bay you go down to [TS]

01:09:24   the end of the peninsula can't be [TS]

01:09:25   attacked by the water because of the [TS]

01:09:26   giant cliffs behind you all your bid [TS]

01:09:28   perfect alright it's the end of the [TS]

01:09:30   world and it's the end of the podcast [TS]

01:09:31   now none of us have survived [TS]

01:09:34   I feel fine my skills all respect [TS]

01:09:37   yourself place I didn't want you guys to [TS]

01:09:38   self-service much thank you x haha yeah [TS]

01:09:42   that's very nice [TS]

01:09:43   now this has been this has been good [TS]

01:09:44   this has been enjoyable to talk about [TS]

01:09:46   the end of the world while the world is [TS]

01:09:47   still here and I recommend both of these [TS]

01:09:50   books [TS]

01:09:51   Scott and I clearly agree and John agree [TS]

01:09:54   that the road is the better of the two [TS]

01:09:56   books Lex would you agree with that or [TS]

01:09:57   do you prefer the dogstars the road is [TS]

01:09:59   the better of the two books all right [TS]

01:10:01   he sounds that you have issues but it's [TS]

01:10:04   it happen oh it's which one would you [TS]

01:10:07   choose to read again if i was going to [TS]

01:10:09   be one again I wouldn't read the road [TS]

01:10:10   again is too depressing [TS]

01:10:11   irlam i would read the road again but [TS]

01:10:15   that's what I it was really because [TS]

01:10:17   apparently Lex's written notes in my [TS]

01:10:19   copy so [TS]

01:10:23   this is you this cancellation mascot is [TS]

01:10:29   casted in the liner notes it's nice [TS]

01:10:32   alright well until our next edition of [TS]

01:10:34   the uncomfortable i want to thank my [TS]

01:10:37   guests my complete reacts on this trip [TS]

01:10:39   to the end of the world john siracusa [TS]

01:10:41   great to have you back on the podcast [TS]

01:10:42   thank you for reading the books at any [TS]

01:10:44   time the world's gonna end i'll be there [TS]

01:10:46   I know I know in your castle which is [TS]

01:10:48   good that's how I like it [TS]

01:10:50   Lex Friedman thank you for being on and [TS]

01:10:53   joining us and staying up late to talk [TS]

01:10:54   about a the end of the world [TS]

01:10:56   it was a pleasure and Scott McNulty [TS]

01:10:59   thank you as always for reading all the [TS]

01:11:01   books I have a lot of time surrounded by [TS]

01:11:05   jars so it's like at the end of the [TS]

01:11:06   world you're gonna be like burgess [TS]

01:11:07   Meredith at the end of the world right [TS]

01:11:09   you could just don't break your glasses [TS]

01:11:10   don't exactly have time enough that you [TS]

01:11:14   know having a partner who who does [TS]

01:11:15   canning as a hobby and for a living very [TS]

01:11:19   useful in an apocalypse [TS]

01:11:21   yes it's true merisa is also quite [TS]

01:11:23   popular with the Doomsday Preppers so [TS]

01:11:25   nice [TS]

01:11:27   yeah that's going to need to know how to [TS]

01:11:29   can't she has about she often says she [TS]

01:11:31   has a valuable skill that could come in [TS]

01:11:33   useful in an apocalypse [TS]

01:11:35   I will not be able to help anyone with [TS]

01:11:37   their qualifier so well I don't know [TS]

01:11:39   what I'll do IT and the apocalypse by [TS]

01:11:42   recruiting hours out sorry [TS]

01:11:44   yeah so in many ways Scott's wife is [TS]

01:11:46   sponsoring this episode we got it will [TS]

01:11:48   because she will show you how to can [TS]

01:11:50   things right food in jars com food in [TS]

01:11:52   jars dot-com for all of your canning [TS]

01:11:54   needs one the apocalypse hits have some [TS]

01:11:58   pickles i can i can personally endorse [TS]

01:11:59   food in jars because i have that book [TS]

01:12:01   and it is excellent and my cupboards are [TS]

01:12:04   full of food in jars made from recipes [TS]

01:12:06   from that book so this is that this is a [TS]

01:12:09   real opportunity I glad that she's in [TS]

01:12:10   with the Doomsday Preppers because [TS]

01:12:12   that's a those are her people now I'm [TS]

01:12:14   just realizing that in the apocalypse I [TS]

01:12:16   won't be able to read any of my books [TS]

01:12:17   because they're all haha time you have [TS]

01:12:20   to get my toffee that'll be the modern [TS]

01:12:22   time enough at last [TS]

01:12:23   it'll be it'll be the end of the world [TS]

01:12:26   would be very happy and his kindle run [TS]

01:12:28   out of battery [TS]

01:12:29   No [TS]

01:12:30   don't worry whatever page was last [TS]

01:12:32   displayed as long as you find this is [TS]

01:12:35   why i have several kiddles top of my [TS]

01:12:37   face and a one-page Perkins they all [TS]

01:12:40   turn into real page for the kindle [TS]

01:12:41   reread the next page you know exactly [TS]

01:12:44   safe and goes when you can put them [TS]

01:12:46   together in a very large binding have a [TS]

01:12:49   lot of times [TS]

01:12:49   yeah why not alright until our next [TS]

01:12:52   incomparable thanks everybody out there [TS]

01:12:54   for listening to another edition of our [TS]

01:12:56   book club you can go to our incomparable [TS]

01:12:59   good book club goodreads group and find [TS]

01:13:02   out what we're reading next I believe [TS]

01:13:03   the plan is to read the graphic novel [TS]

01:13:07   adaptation of a wrinkle in time as well [TS]

01:13:09   and go back [TS]

01:13:10   ideally and read the classic children's [TS]

01:13:13   novel a wrinkle in time and then we'll [TS]

01:13:15   cover that in a month or so but you can [TS]

01:13:16   always tune in what we're looking at and [TS]

01:13:19   have conversations with your fellow [TS]

01:13:20   listeners at the goodreads group that is [TS]

01:13:23   just search for the uncomfortable and [TS]

01:13:25   we're there until next time is adjacent [TS]

01:13:27   cell signing off thanks for listening [TS]