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it would actually be useful but I think
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there's a non-trivial number of people
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who just couldn't even get their life
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together enough to be able to go to that
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evening class like we're just showing up
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to a thing on time is a skill that those
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people don't have and like maybe if you
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can't like be somewhere on time you
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shouldn't have a kid it's a bit like I
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spoken to a few people who've done the
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test for the TSA pre-approved check
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thing in the United States yeah and
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everybody's response is exactly the same
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where they talk about oh this thing is
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ridiculous because all you have to do is
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like get to the airport and you have to
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wait in a place you fill out a little
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form like you talk to a guy and then
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they just approve you when you go home
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and I had the same response to everyone
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these people like no you don't
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understand that is the test like getting
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to the airport being able to follow the
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instructions not flipping out when a guy
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asks you a couple of personal questions
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like that's the test I feel like this is
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very much the former teacher and really
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like you don't understand how many
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people can't follow instructions longer
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if the instructions are the test so
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there's something about that that feels
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like just set like the lowest possible
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bar for having kids like I feel like I
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couldn't be opposed to like you just
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need to go somewhere to get a stamp the
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people are having kids have accomplished
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one thing yeah they have accomplished
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one thing I mean yeah you can't open a
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bank account without giving them your
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entire genome an entire internet search
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history and yet you can create a human
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being and rear it and bring it up
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without yeah telling anyone anything
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sometimes I feel really anxious when I
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look at babies because just today
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actually I was just walking down the
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street and there was is a woman who had
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like swaddled a little baby and she had
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him on a back swaddle like instead of on
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the front he was just on the back you
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know like along for the ride and you
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know shopping day yeah whenever I look
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at this babies I always just feel like
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you poor thing you have no control over
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you're just here that you are totally at
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the mercy of the external world like you
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can do nothing to help yourself it's
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that feeling that just makes me feel
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see someone can just bring a life into
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the world and we have just zero checks
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on this and this new little person could
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not be more vulnerable like a puppy is
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less vulnerable than a human baby human
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babies can do nothing if their socks are
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making their feet uncomfortable it's
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like well that baby just has to deal
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with it it makes me anxious looking at
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babies so I feel very sorry for them and
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I feel like I want more protections for
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babies more protections for babies I can
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be a New Year's resolution boy that last
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question sure was something in my
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experience nothing gets people riled up
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more than the systems of politics and
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I'm willing to bet that a whole bunch of
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you think you do know how to make a
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system work that would have answered
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that last question well if you have
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we go if McDonald's spent billions of
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dollars rescuing the targa from
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extinction should they be allowed to
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then sell a mock tiger burger so there
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are lots of Tigers in the scenario yeah
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they've basically made Tigers like cows
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well I have a lot of problems with the
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meat industrial complex mm-hmm I feel
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like factory farming is really
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indefensible but more more Tigers is
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better than oh god I don't know like I
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don't have a problem in theory with
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Tiger burgers it's a hard one to debate
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it's not like I think if one of my
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videos had Tiger burgers as an example
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of something I feel like I've used this
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before so I don't know whatever anyway I
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feel like the the problem in my head is
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not the problem that this question is
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asking about right the problem I'm
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having is do we want to introduce
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another species to factory farming life
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because presumably like when you're at
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McDonald's scale this is the problem you
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come up against I would have concerns
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about having that many Tigers on it
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skyping from some farm in Devon it's
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like a like a Jurassic Park situation
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mcdonoughs got so caught up wondering if
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they could do it they didn't think if
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they should do okay you know thinking it
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through no I'm coming down now and I'm
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coming down very solidly on now
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because you're saving Tigers from
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extinction but you're just creating a
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whole bunch of Tigers that presumably
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are living miserable lives that seems
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like not an improvement in any way what
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if they didn't factory farm the Tigers
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it was just like a boutique specialty
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burger you could have that they caught
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from the wild occasionally right so
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we've we have free-range Tigers that are
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living here every Reg target suing
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seigneurs if they're free-range Tigers
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then I'm okay with it they're they're
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living like a managed Tiger lifestyle we
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don't have a farm in Devon packed full
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of Tigers that we're afraid of the doors
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are gonna burst any day so you like the
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question there is like are the Tigers
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living a happy life before from their
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perspective the lights just go out and
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they never even know I love the idea of
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a tiger lifestyle I want to live a tiger
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lifestyle now hey Brady you're living
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the tiger lifestyle you said it brother
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I think this thing get really
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complicated though because the question
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is like how happy are the Tigers like
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what are the Tigers eating basically are
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we introducing more sorrow into the
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world because of all of the rabbits that
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the Tigers are chasing down to eat I
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feel like I want to be feeding the
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Tigers synthetic lab-grown meat and then
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killing the Tigers for Tiger burgers and
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the Tigers get to live a full and happy
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life that's like okay I'm perfectly fine
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with that but I think the question is
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posed I would say no that McDonald's
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saving a species from extinction and
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then cultivating that species at the
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scale McDonald's would require would not
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be a trade-off worth making
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if you ain't tiger made from a target
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that only ever in its entire life eight
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since said it mate are you meeting me
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yeah of course what do you mean it's
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like if you eat a cow who's only eaten
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grass its whole life you're eating meat
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the cow is the machine that turns grass
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and cattle yeah and now I do get that
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and I didn't think that but I just
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wondered if there was something more
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ethical about aiding an animal with only
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ever a synthetic stuff probably not
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actually no I think yeah if the
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comparison is is the tiger eating live
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animals versus synthetic meats I think
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eating a tiger that has eaten only
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synthetic meat is clearly more ethical
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would you rather be a dead celebrity or
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a living criminal am i a cat
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criminal am I in jail does it change
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your answer yeah it does change my
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answer I really think that living in
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jail is pretty terrible but there's a
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chance of escape or release whereas if
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you're dead celebrity made yeah done do
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my friend like am I in death row am I in
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some kind of Shawshank Prison almanach
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shank pretty terrible situation I might
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prefer to be a dead celebrity it depends
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it is an example like a white-collar
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criminal who's probably destroyed the
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lives of millions of people but it's in
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a relatively cushy prison like well then
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I'd rather pick a dead celebrity
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but if I'm a criminal who's in Shawshank
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then then no I think I'd rather be the
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dead celebrity there's no way Brady
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you're not gonna pick the dead celebrity
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yeah I think you're probably wrong yeah
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that's that's right I know I know her
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Brady do you choose your personality no
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that doesn't even make any sense to talk
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about that I think you can shape your
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personality especially if someone has
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like a disciplined mind like you like
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you can control and cultivate aspects of
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you and over time train yourself to oh
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yeah I totally agree with that this is
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where I am I am a man who believes in
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two things the possibility of
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self-improvement and puppies and the
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impossibility of free will I don't think
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that those two things are in
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contradiction like I've talked about it
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before I think that there's a real
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moment in my life that I feel like I
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chose to have a different personality
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and that was crossing the threshold of
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leaving high school and entering college
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and that was a very deliberate moment in
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my life where I made a change it was
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much for the better
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hmm but I still think that when you dig
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into that I still run up against this
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free will problem of well I was the kind
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of person who was able to do that and in
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a position where I would decide that
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that was the thing to do and so that is
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what I did I don't think I chose to be
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the sort of person who could decide and
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successfully execute that change and I
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don't think you have any choice in your
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personality so only people with a
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certain personality can choose their
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personality only people with a certain
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personality will be
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able to change their personality but
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they're not even in a position
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necessarily to direct that change in the
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way that I think the question is asking
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could ask you one quick question I don't
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want to dig up and go over that time out
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of high school when you're at a
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crossroads and you feel like you made
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important decisions mmm you know maybe
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we could do it another time
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but pretend you didn't make the big
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decisions you made like say you chose
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the path a instead of path B yeah I just
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continued as I was yeah what job do you
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think you'd be doing today that's a good
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question I'm willing to bet that the job
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I would be doing today is I would be a
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physics teacher in high school the
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difference between me eventually leaving
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that career and becoming self-employed
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and staying in that career can point
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very very directly towards the decisions
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of changing myself between high school
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and college so both paths took you to be
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a physics teacher but just different
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kinds of physics teachers one that could
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escape and one that couldn't yeah if I'm
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trying to like game theory out what is
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the most likely thing that the like the
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high school version of me would have
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done I can't think of a more probable
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path than that one the only other career
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that was even remotely on the horizon as
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a possibility was like being an airline
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pilot and I just don't think I would
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have been dedicated enough to be able to
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do that so I think I would have ended up
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as a teacher as well you didn't feel the
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need the need for space
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let me tell you my thoughts about being
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an airline pilot
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we're not centered around the need for
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speed now this is an interesting
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question in which you're either gonna
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answer very dismissively or you're gonna
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go hmm and have a deeper thought on it
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I'm enjoying all these Brady predictions
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by the way it could one army of robots
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fighting another army of robots ever
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decide a war will the time come where a
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war is completely decided without humans
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entering battle or conflict or violence
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I think is the question okay there's two
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things here I think not in the world
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that were currently imagining I think
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you know in a war between
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nation states like a war fundamentally
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involves human loss and so when you're
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talking about a war being decided like I
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can imagine a situation where there is a
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war in quotes between two nations where
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those nations are essentially at a kind
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of technological stalemate you know
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Russia has drones but the US has
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fantastic anti drones and there's like a
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angry swarm of drones over the Pacific
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Ocean just forever right like not making
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any progress forward or backward and
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then that becomes like oh this is the
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thing in the world what's that oh that's
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the great drone war it's been going on
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for a hundred years and it never moved
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one way or the other and then that's
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just not decided it's not Universal
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paper clips but for real yeah yeah so I
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feel like in nation-state wars there
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have to be human casualties involved
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that is what forces a nation-state to
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capitulate so I feel like there are
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always going to be humans involved even
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if their only involvement is as a like a
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body count to make one side say oh we're
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surrendering now on the other side of
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that though like imagining a future
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without humans where there are just
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rival Paperclip optimizers battling with
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each other for control of the universe
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it's like oh yeah well obviously that's
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the future it's only a matter of time
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until that occurs wars between robots
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can be decided
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among those robots but if it's nation
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state wars I think humans have to be
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involved in in some way the way that was
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coming into my head and that what got me
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thinking about was all these stories and
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I don't even know if they're true
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stories or they just like legend and
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this never actually happened so you can
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tell me but you know how you hear all
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these old-fashioned stories of two
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armies like meeting on a plane and
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instead of just like beating the crap
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out of each other
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they each send their top warrior to have
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like a one-on-one fight and whoever wins
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that fight wins the battle I have never
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heard of this ever I think it must be
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like Greek legend and stuff like that
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like it was it happens in I feel like
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this happens in Royse yeah yes I never
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really happened cuz I always think
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that's such a silly thing
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because whoever loses will just go
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bugger that judge like that a war would
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kick off anyway so when I saw that robot
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that's what I was thinking I was
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imagining two nation-states saying okay
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there's a nice empty space over there
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let's go and send out two robot armies
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and whoever wins but you know wins the
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war yeah but I just don't think that
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would stick because in that losers will
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be like charge it's missing the point of
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what a war is for like a war occurs when
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you can't come to a diplomatic solution
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and agreeing that you're going to abide
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by the results of this robot boxing
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match is a diplomatic solution yeah if
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you can agree to that you can agree to
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other things you can agree where the
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border will be drawn yeah exactly so
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like this concept of what a war is is
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like I think you don't understand what
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war is like well like war means we've
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run out of options except the physical
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ones does war mean there's no longer any
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honor because what this is all about is
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a willingness to honor honor and
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agreement so war reaches a point where
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you know one can agree anything with any
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Honor I think honor is a strange word
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here I feel like it's much more just
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like you cannot trust the other party to
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abide by agreements even if they seem to
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be willing to agree they said it's gonna
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kill him instead yeah that's like that's
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what it is I think that I think that's
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what's going on there could a computer
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write a poem well yeah yeah easy like
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computers do that right now but is it a
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poem if there's not a certain intent or
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emotion behind it a poem exists in the
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mind of the reader not in the writer
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yeah it exists in the mind of the reader
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not in the writer okay
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Oh in that case they of course he
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answers yes all these questions about
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like what are we talking about here
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right it's like this I'm not sure I
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agree that apart exists in the mind of
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the reader and not the writer maybe it
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needs to exist in both but actually
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something that is a little bit more
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relevant to our careers I don't know if
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you've seen them but I've noticed a lot
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of these videos that are they're usually
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from news sites and their videos but
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their videos that just have like stock
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image in the background and then
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captions that are running through the
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basic facts about some situation in the
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news yeah they're becoming more and more
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common now yeah
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you know why they're more common it's
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because they're bought created you know
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I know a lot of people who are making
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humans who are making these things now
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the thing that hasn't occurred to me is
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that these people are being prepared to
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be put out of a job and they don't even
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realize it that is what they're just
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getting people used to the idea of these
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things and also what those people may be
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doing without realizing it is that they
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are creating part of the data set upon
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which the robots are being trained
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but like the existence of these
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human-made videos is part of the data
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set that the company owns which then
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they're feeding into like their Markov
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generator behind the scenes but it's
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really an interesting thing and when I
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when I found out that a huge number of
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these are produced by robots it's like
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oh that makes perfect sense I like it it
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makes absolute sense this is why I'm
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seeing these all over the place there's
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these ways that you can be a be testing
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them against each other to try to find
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which ones are most effective
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bla bla bla bla bla but would you say
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that the robot has made a video I think
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a robot can make a video yes but let me
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read this definition of poem I just
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found ago a poem is a piece of writing
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in which the expression of feelings and
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ideas is given intensity by particular
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attention to diction rhythm and imagery
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now I think a computer as I understand
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them now can handle the diction rhythm
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and imagery but can they have the
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expression of feelings and ideas that
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the poem is based on yeah but by that
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definition and by what we think of as
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robots today no a robot couldn't write a
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poem I'm thinking of this in terms of
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the way I think about art like what like
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what does it mean to say that the thing
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is art and that's always notoriously
01:19:20
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tricky and my my fallback is is mostly
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like art has to invoke some feeling from
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the viewer that's what art is so by my
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definition I feel like yeah a an
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unconscious thing can produce artwork
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which includes poems but by that
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definition of what a poem is then
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clearly we'd have to come to the other
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conclusion that no a robot can't write a
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poem because it is not attempting to
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express anything but I just don't think
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that's a good definition yeah fair
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enough it was just the first one I found
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suited my miny
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are we more alive than a tree no fair
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I think alive is a binary state you are
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or are not alive
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putting aside the very tricky definition
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of like what does it mean to be alive
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like yeah we're gonna blow right past
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that and just say that there's a thing
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that we can agree upon which is the
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concept of aliveness that is a binary
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state has not a floating point integer
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we are literally only halfway through
01:20:18
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the book so we're only about halfway
01:20:19
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through my questions but I think we'd
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better stop and we can use the second
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half of the book I'll put the second
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half of the book back behind the glass
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for a glass yet great here's one fine I
01:20:28
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want to mull over does your dog think
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about you when you're at work or not
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around because you and I both work from
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home if we work away from home and if
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you owned a dog right do dogs think
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about their owners when their owners are
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at work well what do you think baby part
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of me can't imagine a scenario where
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they kind of forget you exist and then
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when you turn up is the best thing ever
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that would explain why they're so
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incredibly happy when you get home
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because they had forgotten you existed
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and you just come back to life I don't
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know this comes back to what we
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discussed recently about how just how
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human dogs are certainly Lulu knows
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here's my car from miles away because
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she's always at the window when I pull
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up but you know again that could just be
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a learned response to a certain sound
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but I think they do yeah do you think if
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you could reach inside the dogs heads
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they would know that you exist when they
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don't see you there's certainly an
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anxiety for something that's missing
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mm-hmm that is sated by your
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reappearance whether or not they can
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visualize what that thing is but whether
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they just feel an anxiety or they fit
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they're feeling an anxiety that's saying
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I wish Brodie was here I just we prayed
01:21:43
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he was back he's he's nicely I don't
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know I think they probably do well what
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do you think for me this is very simple
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yeah I don't care what the answer is I
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choose to believe that the dogs miss you
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when you're gone
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when you're gone
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hello Internet its future gray here
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rushing to edit this episode before I
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have to go for this podcast I think you
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should pause after each of the questions
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and find the answer for yourself before
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you let Brady or I convince you of what
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is the one true answer if you're
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listening with somebody else even better
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each of you should try to convince each
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other of what the true answer is before
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hearing Brady and I talk about it anyway
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that's all I wanted to say I'm going to
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stop recording now and literally press
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the export upload publish buttons as
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fast as I can to get this episode out to
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you so have a lovely evening
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and let the show begin so for the
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longest time we have had this sort of I
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wouldn't say fear but concern in the
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back of our minds that one day we may
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come to record how the internet and just
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not have anything to say or who run out
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of topics and things like that mm-hmm
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it has never happened and it hasn't
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really happened today either I don't
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think but just in case it does happen
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I've had a break glass in case of
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emergency option sitting in a drawer by
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my side for a couple of years now this
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is a book that has it really been
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sitting there for a couple of years I
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guess it has you referenced it enough
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when we were doing our little pre-show
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I reckon has just been sitting there so
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today for a special episode we have
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decided to break the glass and use my
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emergency podcasting options just I
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don't know why I just because I'm sick
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of waiting we're gonna do it it does
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feel like a thing we'll never get to
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because every time we do good record I
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think much more so for me I have this
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deep fear of like what on earth are we
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going to talk about and so many times I
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feel like we get to the show and we
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barely get to all the topics that we
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have because we get caught up in
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something that's a total tangent right
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at the beginning so it is an unfounded
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fear every time but yes it does feel
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like we'll never get to this book
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otherwise so let's just take a look at
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this book okay this is a book I don't
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know where it came from or why I have it
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I don't think I bought it it doesn't
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look like something I would have bought
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but it's called the book of thunks of
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thunks funks so instead of thinks that
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place the IB that you thought okay
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that's by a chap named in Gilbert
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mmm-hmm I think it's bit of a toilet
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book I think it's supposed to be a
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conversation book but I see it more as a
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toilet that rarified genre hmm it's full
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of just one line questions that are
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supposed to be thought-provoking or
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conversation starters
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it also says on here to annoy your
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friends and I think a lot of these
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questions would be quite effective
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annoying your friends it sounds like a
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very Brady book then no I don't like the
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annoying aspect of it anyway really
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because I think you are the king of
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asking needling annoying questions of
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people when you're interviewing them or
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when you're talking to me on a podcast I
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feel like you would like that part the
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most know some of the men or even may
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now there are 300 questions in this book
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okay just before the show I went through
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with a marker and I've put big red
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crosses next to ones that I think hmm I
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wouldn't mind asking gray that question
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so I'm gonna go through this book I'm
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gonna go through all the questions that
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I've put crosses next to or at least I'm
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gonna go through all the ones until we
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get sick of it row and we're gonna see
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what you think about them are you gonna
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answer these questions as well breeding
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if you want me to depends what the
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question I would very much one I don't
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want to be just on the hook here I don't
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need this to be a quiz there situation
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it's not like that it's not like that I
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will answer questions too if I feel I
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have something to contribute mm-hmm now
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there are a lot of questions in this
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book I'm not gonna ask because some of
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them really annoy me because they seem
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to come from a place of real science
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ignorant or just a logic ignorant so I'm
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ignoring all those ones give me an
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example of this I'll give you an example
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of one what weighs more a piece of blank
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paper or a piece of lined paper yeah
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that's just an annoying question yeah
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there are lots of questions like that
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and I feel like I need way more details
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to answer that question well that is a
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definite problem you will have with
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every question anyway we're gonna have
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to do with that grace and just as much
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as we come to it but that a gray ISM I
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don't think so I think that's a
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reasonable thing to ask all right let's
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go let's I've got the book here you can
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you can probably hear the pages here
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there we go some nice bully work thank
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so the first one I put a cross next to
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just so happens to be number
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eight in the book of 300 okay if the
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cure for cancer meant constructing a
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huge Factory in Antarctica should we do
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it anyway I don't even understand how
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that's a question yes what's the
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question I don't think they make the
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stakes high enough in that question
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myself you know like I'd burn down the
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rainforest for a cure for cancer so cure
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for cancer I was thinking you know maybe
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destroying all of Antarctica would that
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be worth curing cancer
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yeah I'd sink Antarctica under the ocean
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I mean cancer kills a lot of people yeah
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there's a lot of weight on that side of
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the scale I think I'd be pretty hard
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pressed to think of anything that
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doesn't come close to species destroying
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that I wouldn't do to cure cancer okay
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are you breaking I think my threshold
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would be probably lower than yours
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okay so lower then just doesn't destroy
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the species as your threshold yeah I
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think obliterating Antarctica altogether
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I don't know what is in dark touka ever
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done for you not much I'm going there
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same oh yeah but I would also like a
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cure for cancer so I would cancel my
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trip and let make your cancer would you
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answer change like before and after the
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trip like oh you're more hesitant to not
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destroy Antarctica before you've gone
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but after you've gone do you think you
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would be more willing to sink the entire
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continent would you be willing to put
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several thousand sort of charismatic
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fauna species extinct in exchange for a
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cure for cancer as long as it meant
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humans could still live like you know
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get rid of all the elephants and the
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lions and the cats and the dogs and no
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dogs oh oh I found your weakness if that
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is my weakness
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uh actually I feel like could I look
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into the eyes of a single puppy and
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extinguish its life in exchange for a
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cure for cancer I feel like I don't know
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if I could do that say what you wouldn't
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be willing to kill all the puppies in
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the world for a cure for cancer oh god I
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don't know now I feel immediately like I
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need a bunch you know PETA and tactic am
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the rain forest you know put a few
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puppies on the Block and suddenly it ya
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know that's a very different moral
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Wow that's horrible to realize that this
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is the way my brain is prioritizing
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these things oh man
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that becomes a much harder question yeah
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I feel like then I need to know all
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sorts of details of the book is not
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going to have like does this mean we
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will never cure cancer or that we just
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won't have the cure now like then I need
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to start really lawyering up on what the
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exact parameters of this question are
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but once you involve puppies I'm going
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to become much more hesitant is what's
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going on here
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it's mr. chump is in Asia at the moment
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mr. chompers is not in earshot at the
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moment he's going to be returning to the
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house very shortly
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he had a big bath from getting all muddy
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today but he is not currently around
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well anyway he probably would've liked
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your answer anyway I feel like a
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terrible person let's move on to another
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question are you more of a success if
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you have had five top 40 hit records but
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no number ones compared to someone who
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is a one-hit wonder who has just had one
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number one oh man that's easy that's
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it depends entirely on how large the
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residuals are like was the tail end of
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this just pure dollars yeah it's not a
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bad consistency of quality uh it's just
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about the money you make oh is that the
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I guess that is the question well I
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think this is complicated because I
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think it's a kid I think when I first
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came across the concept of a one-hit
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wonder I always found that kind of sad
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yeah do you get that same feeling from
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like the concept of like a one-hit
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wonder that there's something like a
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little sad about that
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I think it's fluky the person's success
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yeah I mean that's one of the ways you
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could take this question yeah but I feel
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like as I've gotten older like adult me
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doesn't have that same feeling with a
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one-hit wonder like a one-hit wonder
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he's already incredibly successful yeah
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it's like sure obviously anybody who's a
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one-hit wonder would prefer to be a
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two-hit wonder but being a one-hit
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wonder is way better than being a zero
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hit wonder let me reframe the question
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and that completely changes it and in
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some ways I think would reverse my
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answer okay and that question would be
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would you rather win a gold medal at the
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Olympics or win thirteen silver medals
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over three different Olympic
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but no Gold's for me the answer to that
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is easy I'm gonna bet you want the gold
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right yeah hmm because no one remembers
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silver medals in the world of music well
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it's not true to say no one remembers
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songs that don't get to number one
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because a lot of very big songs never
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technically got to number one but you
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know a number one is a bit like a gold
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medal isn't it
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yeah this is touching upon like the
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power law in entertainment like a
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one-hit wonder is ten times more
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presence in people's minds than the next
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most popular song which is 10 times more
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present than the third most popular song
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and so what would you get down to the
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bottom of the top 40 chart is like oh
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yeah those are songs people might
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recognize but they're not super
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omnipresent in a person's mind I was
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just thinking with the silver medals I
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think something more impressive if you
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can get a bunch of silver medals in
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disparate fields this then again it like
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a we're getting into the details here
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but I think personally I feel like in my
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personality I would be happier being
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less successful in a wider area of
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fields then being super successful in
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one field like much to my surprise there
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is something that is attractive about
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being the kind of person who could win
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silver medals in a bunch of events even
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if you know like lots of people think
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that silver is first loser
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that it's not the same as a gold that a
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gold is like ten times better than a
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silver in people's minds I remember when
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I was a little boy I went through a
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phase where my favorite color
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was silver you know when you say you
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have to have a favorite color and a
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favorite number
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I always said my favorite color is
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silver and I was watching the Olympics
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with my dad one time and I was watching
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the medal ceremony and I said to my dad
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you know what I love silver so much I
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think I'd rather have a silver medal
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than a gold medal and he just looked at
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me and said when you grow up you think
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differently and he was right he was
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right and while it's true like winning
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silver medals across disparate
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disciplines over a sustained period of
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time does show a far greater level of
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accomplishment mmm and if you don't
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believe me there's an Australian who won
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a gold medal at
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the Winter Olympics that is the most
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cheeky undeserved gold medal in the
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history of gold medals you have to tell
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me what that is now I'm now I'm curious
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what is the most undeserved gold medal
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ever to set the scene for you in the
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Winter Olympics in some forms of speed
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skating you have all these eliminations
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and things like that to get to the final
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mm-hmm and then the final is four people
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okay and this Australian actually got
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through to the final of four people he
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shouldn't have even been in the final
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because all the people in his semi-final
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fell over and he made it to the final
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so then this was the fire live sent you
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the clip his name's Steven Bradbury okay
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and he was against three other speed
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skaters that were way better than him
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and they were going around this really
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tight track okay so this is a race this
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is just like a pure speed race on the
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ice okay pure race pure race there were
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four other skaters actually there were
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five in the final okay he was just
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sitting at the back not a hope in hell
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and he'd given up even trying he was
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just sitting there watching them
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thinking this is amazing that I even
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made the final and as the four others
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were vying for the medals they got to
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the last corner and they all crashed
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into each other right at us and he just
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like just coasted over the line on his
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own like thinking what the hell just
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happened and the others were all trying
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to stand up and like put a toe over the
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line so they could finish and he was
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just like oh I just want to gold medal
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you can never take that away from him
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and of course he's not as great a speed
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skater as someone who has won a bunch of
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silvers over loads of Olympics but he
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still got his gold medal that's amazing
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that he's the beneficiary of two flukes
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that is fluky he was there in the first
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place and that shot is amazing cuz they
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they really do crash like 20 feet before
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the end of the before the end of the
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race yeah you see the others standing up
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and just trying to put like their skate
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over the line to finish and he just like
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drifts past yeah because I'm just
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watching the replay here and he's not
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even booking it for the finish line like
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he's clearly mentally checked is like
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inertia just propels him over the finish
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Australia go for Australia go for
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I feel like this adds another level to
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that question potentially which is
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getting a gold getting a bunch of
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or totally unintentionally getting a
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gold okay like just blind luck stumbling
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on to success in this manner that's
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that's amazing
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well Salt Lake 2002 fantastic here any
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for another question yep is a horse a
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vehicle is a horse a vehicle hmm yeah a
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horse is a vehicle I'm trying to stretch
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the edges of this I think if you put a
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little girl on a big dog that is not a
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vehicle because there would be no
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driving like a big st. Bernard with the
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tiny child on top of it the child doing
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no driving but a human on a horse is
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doing driving so I'm gonna say yes the
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horse is a vehicle and that's the
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distinguishing characteristic there
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needs to be active driving agree or
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disagree don't even care I think it's a
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stupid question
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what do you mean it's a stupid question
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here's a good question uh would it be
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okay to blast our rubbish into space
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yeah well again like the one with
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Antarctica I'm trying to think
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my only objections would be pragmatic
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there was a video I used to show my
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students when we did our little space
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module that I always loved which was a
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video that was tracking all of the
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objects that are currently around earth
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yeah this included here's the
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International Space Station here's all
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the satellites and there's you know
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there's a huge number of satellites you
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just don't really think about it but
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then it was also including all of the
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objects in space that could potentially
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be a threat to future missions then when
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you include that like it's an astounding
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number of object like it looks like an
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angry swarm of bees yeah it's a credible
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now there is a weird problem of scale
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here right because space is real big and
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you're trying to look at an image on a
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screen and how big can that screw be
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like there's a funny way that it it
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looks fuller than it is yes of course
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but still the number is enormous and the
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threat is real so my only concern
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about space garbage is how accurately
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can we fling it directly into the Sun
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can we use the Sun as a garbage disposal
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system yeah and if we could shoot it
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accurately then I would have no problem
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I do remember actually doing this as a
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unit in one of my physics classes and
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university is how hard it is to actually
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hit the Sun like if you are launching
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something that is not self-guiding it's
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remarkably hard to get an object that
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would go into the Sun as opposed to
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getting captured in some kind of very
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long comet orbit and then causing other
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problems so I would probably say no
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because it's very difficult to imagine a
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way that it is practical to do so space
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as garbage disposal I would say let's
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not do that on practical grounds but if
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we came up with like a propulsion system
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that was economical mm-hmm and we could
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just blast things into space but you
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couldn't go for the Sun you just had to
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aim out of the solar system and just
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send them where they're going like a
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Voyager probe you know wherever you end
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up you end up right not here so it's
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just gonna go where it goes and one day
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it'll get captured by some other star
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okay so we're just blindly launching
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into space yeah yeah don't think too
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much about the actual practicalities is
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it okay to use the great beyond as a
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place just to fling unwanted stuff
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everything now I'm worried about drawing
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the attention of like a paperclip
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maximizing a hey I like where this
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garbage come from there's like a gods
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must be crazy situation you know yeah
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where'd this Falcon having rocket full
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of disposed soda cans come from it's
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like all right it came from that planet
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yeah I would still say though like
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putting the potential destruction of the
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human species aside I would be okay with
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it because space is just so empty it's
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almost functionally like throwing it
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into a black hole you don't say as this
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last pure expanse that hasn't been
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sullied by McDonald's wrappers I will
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grant that right space is unsullied
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presuming that we're the only ones
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around mm-hmm but I don't think
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unsullied matters if there's nobody
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there to experience it isn't us the
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argument used by people who want to draw
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for oil in Alaska and stuff people say
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oh we mustn't do these mining in Alaska
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and then the little who are pro mining
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say well there's no one there to look at
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all this beautiful stuff and these rare
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birds anyway I'm susceptible to that
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argument I think I'm less susceptible to
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it in the drilling in Alaska case
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because of concern about externalities
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that it's like okay yeah sure if you're
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drilling goes okay then everything's
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fine but if it doesn't then it's no good
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and we also like for entirely human
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selfish reasons we have an ecosystem
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here that we want to preserve for our
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own benefit space just doesn't seem to
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have any of those concerns to me yes it
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is unsullied but it's just unsullied
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emptiness with no conscious experience
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whatsoever like it's very hard to
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imagine what is the externality here of
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we've launched rockets full of McDonnell
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trappers into space it's like where
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there's nobody there to even see it it's
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just like it disappears where I think
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the earth is a closed enough system that
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you want to be more careful
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like if you're sinking a continent into
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the ocean you want to make sure you're
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really getting something good out of
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that you just want to be more careful
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with the changes that you're making
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I'm gonna guess you don't like sending
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trash into space that's my prediction I
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find it hard to argue against sending it
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into the Sun right but I don't like the
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idea of it but I am also aware that the
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Apollo astronauts one of the last things
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they did before reach takeoff was
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chuckle their rubbish out the door
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including bags of way it was because
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there aren't their poo bags off the
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surface of the Moon yeah it's hard for
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me to get on too high a horse on this
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one but or that objectivity video of
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yours that I loved talking with you
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about when we were first discussing it
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the one where that the Russians exploded
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the satellite full of little Russian
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coins off the surface of the Moon there
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was like sort of like a sphere made of
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right and then the pennants sort of
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scattered all over the surface when the
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settler impacted yeah there's something
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I just I love about that idea is there's
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something so childish about that like oh
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we're gonna just put a bunch of coins
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that say we were here on the surface of
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the Moon it is also just totally a kind
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of garbage I would love it if they went
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and visited those sites when you know
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eventually we start going back to the
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moon and they found those pennants
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awesome there will be real collectors
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items someday yeah they will but so
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you're okay with the Sun because the Sun
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is just an incinerator yeah like an
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atomic level incinerator like we could
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throw nuclear waste into the Sun but
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then you feel more uneasy when you're
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talking about the vast emptiness of
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space if it was just blasting sewage
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towards Alpha Centauri yeah pardon me
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would think Oh God
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we've crapped all over this planet now
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when crapping everywhere else as well
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I'm not sure I feel like we have the
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right to do it I find that interesting
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because like to me the concept of rights
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implies that there's someone whose
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rights are being infringed upon well I
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don't think we know enough to know
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whether that's the case or not okay and
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I feel like it's not our place you know
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I know there are space treaties and
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Antarctic treaties and it kind of all
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merges into that a bit but I think it
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goes beyond that because I still think
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with our space treaties Antarctic is
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different but with our space treaties
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there is a certain arrogance involved in
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us deciding amongst ourselves as humans
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what can be done with space and how it's
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gonna be carved up remind me have you
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read the read Mars Ceres the Kim Stanley
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Robinson series I only think I've read
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►
the first one yeah I have tried many
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►
times to get through the second - I've
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never made it I've given up on that as a
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life goal I'm like I'm never gonna make
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it through green Mars let alone blue
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Mars yeah but I really like them I
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reread red Mars maybe just a couple
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►
years ago it holds up as a great science
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fiction book but this is like one of the
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main themes through that book that I
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think is interestingly handled is the
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idea of humans around Mars
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how much right - humans have to change
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Mars from what it is into what the
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humans wanted like this is a central
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political conflict that takes place in
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that book and I think the book is a an
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interesting exploration of that idea
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this episode of Hello Internet is
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brought to you in part by euro never
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think about the Wi-Fi in your home again
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with euro you know right now where the
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dead spots of Internet in your house are
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we all have those spots and it's crazy
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to think that you have to move around to
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a different spot in the house if you
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want to get the fastest internet if you
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want to be able to talk to somebody else
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with a clear
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thanks to ero for helping to support the
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show would a baby born on a deserted
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island ever laughs of course a baby on a
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deserted island would laugh I think
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that's asked like asking if a baby on a
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deserted island would see I guess the
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question they're getting at more here
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and this is a more interesting question
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rather than saying would ever laugh
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would it ever find something funny like
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his humor learned it's getting to be
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more subtle but all I was gonna say the
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thing that I found interesting when my
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friends started having kids I think that
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never really crossed my mind before is
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that there comes a time when babies
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start to laugh that there's like a
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period of time where a baby will not
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laugh like you get a little trouble baby
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and you do a big raspberry on its
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there's just no response like the wires
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aren't hooked up correctly yeah and then
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when they get older at some point
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they're like oh this is hilarious right
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like raspberries on the stomach are the
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funniest thing ever but that's because
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I've seen you and everyone else laugh at
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it but oh yeah I was gonna say it's like
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I do think there is something about the
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wires are getting hooked up together cuz
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a baby born on a deserted island that
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and then it becomes like grown-up let's
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forget about all the logistics involved
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here yeah yeah just and then one day
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they see like a giraffe walking on ice
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and the giraffe like stumbles and falls
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over in a comical way they're not gonna
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find that funny
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okay the more we talk the less certain
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I'm getting because I'm thinking maybe
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this is much more like a language thing
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like just humor exists in the absence of
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other minds but I feel like there's some
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part of humor that's like the lowest
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part of humor which is really connected
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to the idea of surprise yeah that humor
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is connected to surprise and a baby
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living as an adult is going to at some
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point on its Island be surprised by
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something and maybe that would trigger a
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laugh but I don't know like and the more
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I talk the less convinced I am because
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there are those cases that you read
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about like you know feral children who
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are sort of in this situation and the
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really fascinating thing is it seems
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like for a lot of these cases
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reacquiring language skills is just
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almost impossible and maybe there's
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something like that with humor that if
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they're you don't have the concept of
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other minds that you just don't develop
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this idea a long time ago I heard this
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idea about what is humor that I just
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love and I think about sometimes but
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that humor is like a way that brains are
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like debugging other brains or that
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brains are figuring out the edges inside
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of other brains and I feel like I don't
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quite know what that sentence even means
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but there's something about it that
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strikes me as correct
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that like humor is an exploration of
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another mind in a different way than
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talking is like what makes someone laugh
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tells you something about their mind in
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a way that is very different from just
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talking to them and especially like with
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my wife I feel like I can make my wife
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really laugh now I like I have a good
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sense of like jokes or things that will
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make her laugh but there's no way to
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verbalize what that is it's like some
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other part of my brain has learned how
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to get this particular reaction out of
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her brain so I don't know I think I have
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just talked myself out of this maybe a
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baby would never laugh that this is
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something that is like language yeah I
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think I might be retracting my position
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yeah well it was fun watching you work
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this next question might be a bit more
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up your alley okay if a robot waiter
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brings you a drink should you say thank
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you well that was a big sigh like this
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is really like a conundrum for you it
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all hangs on the word should in this
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sentence right okay I came across a
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parent who had this concern that I found
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interesting and the concern was that
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Siri and Alexa were turning their child
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into an inconsiderate asshole
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that is interesting yeah because the
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child is just able to issue commands and
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the machines just do it
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yeah and the machines have no need for
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any of the social pleasantries
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and that their perception was that this
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was bleeding over into other social
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interactions that this was not contained
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within the environment of like you're
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not really talking to alexa like you're
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issuing a series of verbal communication
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with a robot that like the kid just
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wasn't clicking with that so that's the
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reason i hesitate there because like do
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you need to thank a robot obviously not
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do I ever say thank you to Siri no do I
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ever say thank you to your toaster yeah
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right like there's no need to do that
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there's nothing there I feel like
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there's something about society here
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like if you have a c-3po looking robot
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something that is like sort of human
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looking that maybe it's not a bad idea
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to just reflexively keep the thank you
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even though you know that the robot
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doesn't need it just to practice I have
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a yeah like it like as a habit now if
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the robot is is like oh the table is a
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robot and the drinks just appear then it
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feels like they come up through a little
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slot in the table and I feel like okay
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well this is there's nothing human here
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but it I feel like if it is an
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anthropomorphic robot I could see being
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on the side of we as a society should
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agree that we're going to keep this
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habit in so long as there still exists
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human waiters in other situations that
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it's like don't lose this but so you say
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we should say thank you to say Threepio
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but not r2d2 damn it Oh God well okay
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Brady you're gonna make me talk about it
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droid slavery is clearly a conscious
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creature with emotions and feelings and
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expressions but if in the real world we
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built a robot that looked like r2d2 who
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was going around on a floating flotilla
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in the desert distributing drinks and we
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were reasonably confident that that
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robot had no consciousness I feel like
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yeah that's a little close to a Roomba
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with some drinks on top of it and I feel
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like you know I have no need to thank
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the Roomba for distributing these drinks
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but if it's humanoid I feel like there
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is something maybe here but again I may
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be extrapolating too far from a
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particular case but I found that like an
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interesting thing that would never have
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crossed my mind before that that it's
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making me think about this question a
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little bit differently I just had a
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great idea for a piece of Star Wars
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merchandising who a Roomba that will
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fire a lightsaber across the room to you
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Return of the Jedi star little slot that
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opens up on its top is that what you
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want breeding well I would say no you
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wouldn't think now I've got another
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question okay would you rather live
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under a democracy or Undead a
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dictatorship led by Father Christmas oh
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I need to know a lot about father
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Christmas in this
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I think you understand the general
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concept of father Christmas I mean
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there's not a bad bone in his body
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I'm gonna just I'm gonna interpret this
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as Santa Claus because I think there's a
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like a slight difference between father
00:31:04
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Christmas and Santa Claus but like I
00:31:05
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must say that sounds like a far more
00:31:07
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interesting conversation to make what's
00:31:09
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the difference during father Christmas
00:31:10
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and Santa Claus okay so this is like dim
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memories from when I was doing the my
00:31:13
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Santa video from years and years ago but
00:31:16
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I was reading up on a whole bunch of
00:31:17
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stuff and it the conclusion that I
00:31:19
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remember coming to and so this this may
00:31:21
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be a little bit shaky Internet it's been
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a long time but my memory is that father
00:31:26
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Christmas was much more like a spirit of
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adult Thanksgiving that father Christmas
00:31:33
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was like feast and happy times and wine
00:31:37
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and fun and that father Christmas was
00:31:39
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not like a gift-giving concept no father
00:31:43
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Christmas definitely gave me presents
00:31:44
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when I was little here's where I was
00:31:46
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going with this is that that this is a
00:31:48
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thing that starting in like the 40s and
00:31:51
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50s started to get completely subsumed
00:31:53
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by the concept of Santa that like Santa
00:31:56
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as the gift-giving thing is an idea that
00:31:59
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has taken over a lot of other cultures
00:32:02
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and that like father Christmas used to
00:32:04
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be like a different thing but now and
00:32:07
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for the life of everyone who has been
00:32:08
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alive in the UK father Christmas is just
00:32:11
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like a different name for Santa like
00:32:13
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it's one of the thousand names of Santa
00:32:15
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yeah but I feel like I don't understand
00:32:16
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Santa Claus political ideas I think this
00:32:18
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is why it's an interesting question if
00:32:20
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Santa Claus was taken from his cushy
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life in the North Pole right and he's
00:32:24
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and he's one day of work a year yeah how
00:32:27
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would he run the world
00:32:28
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this I think is the burning question
00:32:30
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said of Claus sees everything but he's
00:32:32
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not all-powerful presumably in the
00:32:34
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situation he has an army right he's a
00:32:36
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dictator he has keys that he needs to
00:32:38
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keep him power I feel like I would keep
00:32:41
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the democracy you know anything Santa
00:32:42
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could hold it together I just think that
00:32:45
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even if you have the power of all-seeing
00:32:48
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sight and all-knowing like a
00:32:50
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dictatorship is a okay so if we're
00:32:54
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taking Santa Claus and we're putting him
00:32:55
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in the real world and he's in charge of
00:32:57
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a dictatorship I feel like it's still a
00:32:59
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dangerous and precarious situation that
00:33:03
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even if you have the power of seeing
00:33:05
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I'm not going to trust that to last a
00:33:08
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long time or to always be able to do
00:33:10
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good things even if that is the
00:33:12
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intention of Santa Claus so I'm gonna
00:33:14
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stick with the democracy instead of a
00:33:16
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dictatorship run by Santa there's just
00:33:17
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so much goodwill towards Santa Claus now
00:33:19
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you can't imagine anyone ever trying to
00:33:21
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overthrow him it's Santa he's got a
00:33:23
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belly that shakes when he loves I guess
00:33:27
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that gives him plus 100 defense against
00:33:30
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movies like this that was that belly
00:33:31
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does look like so jolly knows who's
00:33:35
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gonna throw our Santa yeah but one of
00:33:37
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his powers is not like a reality
00:33:40
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distortion field like if if he came with
00:33:42
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like a foundation style like you will
00:33:45
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love me ability like then that's a
00:33:47
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different story but I feel like his
00:33:48
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primary power is being able to read the
00:33:50
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minds of everyone simultaneously and
00:33:52
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it's like I wonder if he'd get elected
00:33:53
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if he ran for office in a democracy I'm
00:33:56
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pretty sure Santa would win by a
00:33:58
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landslide he'd get most of the popular
00:34:00
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fight but he might get undone by the
00:34:01
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electoral college
00:34:02
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yeah but I wouldn't mind having some
00:34:04
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checks and balances on Santa Claus like
00:34:07
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that's the difference here you can win
00:34:08
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an election but maybe not just we're
00:34:10
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gonna hand you the keys to power
00:34:11
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entirely do you use your imagination
00:34:16
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when you dream
00:34:18
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I know dreamings of a favorite topic
00:34:20
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yours I don't understand what that
00:34:23
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question means yeah I don't really
00:34:26
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either I just saw a dream and thought
00:34:28
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other nope oh great yeah let's I feel
00:34:30
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like that's a meaningless question if
00:34:32
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you do something wrong when you are
00:34:34
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should you feel less guilty than if you
00:34:37
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had done it stone-cold sober oh you got
00:34:41
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to answer this one Brady you answer this
00:34:43
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one because I I feel like this is such a
00:34:44
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hard question
00:34:45
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this gets like the core of the universe
00:34:47
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this question here I don't know the
00:34:49
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answer to that you don't know the answer
00:34:50
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to that I think you know you were
00:34:52
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equipped with less tools to make a good
00:34:54
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decision right but you took those tools
00:34:57
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away from yourself when you decided to
00:34:58
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have a bunch of drinks yeah it's a bit
00:35:01
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like oh I was driving a car while
00:35:03
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blindfolded no this was like huh I guess
00:35:06
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it's less your fault that you got into
00:35:08
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an accident but you put on a blindfold
00:35:09
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it's like if you're still gonna find
00:35:10
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fault there yeah with this question the
00:35:12
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►
reason why I really stumble over it is
00:35:14
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because if I were to disassemble this
00:35:17
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question I think this question is
00:35:18
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actually asking if you were to change
00:35:21
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the nature of you are you as responsible
00:35:25
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for your actions that very quickly gets
00:35:28
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into it a thing where it's like it's
00:35:29
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hard to know what to even say and this
00:35:31
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like if you've changed yourself to be a
00:35:32
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different person are you still
00:35:33
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responsible like yes and kind of know it
00:35:38
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it's I think this is why the law
00:35:40
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wrestles put this subject as well I
00:35:42
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can't come down solidly on this I will
00:35:44
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just say get something on the record
00:35:47
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here there's a thing people do that I
00:35:49
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think is a bad habit that people should
00:35:52
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get out of I think some people have the
00:35:54
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idea that like when they're interacting
00:35:57
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with someone who is drunk that somehow
00:36:00
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that is the true person and I feel like
00:36:05
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that is a strange and bad idea to have
00:36:08
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in people's minds that they feel like oh
00:36:10
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when the person gets drunk it's like the
00:36:12
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veil is lifted onto the inner core of
00:36:14
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the person the filters are removed yeah
00:36:17
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that very concept of like oh you're
00:36:18
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saying the things that you would say or
00:36:21
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that you you are thinking but now we can
00:36:24
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all see it because you're drunk I feel
00:36:26
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like that is a bad idea for people to
00:36:28
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have in their minds I think it's
00:36:29
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nonsensical like you're dealing with the
00:36:32
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person who's essentially a different
00:36:33
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person now it's not like you're seeing
00:36:37
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the core of the real person I think
00:36:39
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that's a a strange and unhelpful idea
00:36:42
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that lots of people seem to have I do I
00:36:45
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think it's a strange thing to think it
00:36:47
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might be a wrong thing to think but I
00:36:50
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think it's strange
00:36:51
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I see logic to it but it's kind of like
00:36:54
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if someone were to take a bunch of LSD
00:36:56
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like would you feel like you're seeing
00:36:58
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the core of the person while they're
00:36:59
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high on LSD I don't think people would
00:37:01
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think that I think people have a concept
00:37:03
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that oh this is a person whose mind has
00:37:05
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now been dramatically changed I feel
00:37:08
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like we just don't have that same
00:37:10
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concept with something like alcohol
00:37:11
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that's true but it's also true that for
00:37:14
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example you may know things or have
00:37:16
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opinions that you don't share with me
00:37:18
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because you don't want to hurt my
00:37:22
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feelings or you don't want me to find
00:37:24
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out for various reasons and your
00:37:26
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intellect is telling you that and if
00:37:28
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that was taken away from you temporarily
00:37:29
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I could have access to that information
00:37:32
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I'm not saying that would tell me
00:37:34
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anything little true.you but it would be
00:37:36
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like I would find out information I
00:37:37
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might not know otherwise I guess maybe
00:37:39
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that is where that idea comes from
00:37:40
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certain people can let something slip in
00:37:43
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a coherent way while they're drinking
00:37:46
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yeah that in LSD like all that's gonna
00:37:48
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happen is if someone's gonna be hugging
00:37:50
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you and telling you how you're a
00:37:51
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beautiful butterfly and we're all one
00:37:52
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with the universe and you're like okay
00:37:54
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man like it's great but they're not like
00:37:56
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yeah spilling their secrets okay I
00:37:58
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retract strange but I stand by unhelpful
00:38:02
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yes is vandalizing a speed camera the
00:38:07
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same as vandalizing a lifebuoy by a
00:38:10
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river but okay right you could you could
00:38:15
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vandalize a speed camera so that
00:38:17
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government can't give a bunch of fines
00:38:19
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two people for speeding okay
00:38:20
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or you could vandalize like a lifebuoy
00:38:22
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by the river which is really handy
00:38:24
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because it would save people's lives are
00:38:25
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those two acts of vandalism equally bad
00:38:30
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do you mean like there's buoys that mark
00:38:32
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where you're not supposed to swim past
00:38:34
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no I think like a ring that you would
00:38:36
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throw out to someone to help them if
00:38:38
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they were drowning okay yeah presume by
00:38:41
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vandalize it like you've made it
00:38:42
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non-functional yes not like you've drawn
00:38:44
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a naughty picture on it no I feel like
00:38:50
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vandalizing that the buoy is way worse I
00:38:52
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think that's where the question is
00:38:53
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leading one I'm trying like why do I
00:38:56
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feel like the buoy is worse and like the
00:38:59
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direct one-on-one nature makes it feel
00:39:01
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worse like you've fallen off of a cruise
00:39:03
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ship into the ocean someone goes to
00:39:04
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throw you a lifeline and lol it falls to
00:39:08
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►
pieces because some kid is have slashed
00:39:09
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it to bits that feels like it like a
00:39:12
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doubly bad situation while the Spade
00:39:14
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camera while it can be life-saving
00:39:15
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indirectly it's not quite say directly
00:39:18
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life-saving and it is also revenue
00:39:20
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raising for the government what do you
00:39:23
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know it's surely not those things aren't
00:39:25
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used for revenue I also feel like
00:39:27
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there's a there's a vandalizing the
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speed camera is less bad because the
00:39:33
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speed cameras work because there are a
00:39:35
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lot of them it's like you're attacking a
00:39:38
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single node in a network and the
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speed-camera its presence or absence is
00:39:45
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not necessarily going to have a big
00:39:46
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impact on does someone speed a lot or
00:39:49
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not but the fact that there are a
00:39:51
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hundred speed cameras in the city on
00:39:54
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average may have some kind of
00:39:56
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suppression effect although like even
00:39:58
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how effective that is may be debatable
00:40:00
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but like somebody drowning and reaching
00:40:02
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out for a floating thing and the
00:40:04
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floating thing breaks there's no debate
00:40:06
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about that that's just undeniably bad
00:40:08
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and in a very clear and direct way so
00:40:11
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yeah it's like a speed camera is like a
00:40:14
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politician no one likes it but it's kind
00:40:16
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of necessary whereas the life boy is
00:40:18
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like father Christmas everyone likes
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here's a question you won't hear me
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asking gray where do you go to register
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is obvious if you need a name on the web
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register it with hover that's HOV er
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sorry about my english pronunciation of
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other domain names already registered
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them over to hover as well because it's
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domains I have a bunch there already I
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projects some for upcoming future ideas
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maybe something I'm planning to do maybe
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a year or two down the line but I know I
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want the name now those future domain
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think of two things at the same time I
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bet you like that question that comes
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down to what do you mean by the word
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think I'm just reading the words what do
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you think do you think two things at the
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same time in your head I don't think so
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consciously like conscious deliberate
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thought right I mean obviously I can
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talk to you in juggle at the same time
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right but I don't know I don't know how
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the brain works I know that's the thing
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on the other end of this microphone we
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know like oh well let me pull out my PhD
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in brain like nope I don't know how
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brains work either like just a dude on
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the internet who's made a video about
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brains like I don't know I'm never aware
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of thinking two things at the same time
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that's for sure you're at your lack of
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internal monologue I also find weird but
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um okay so thinking two things at the
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same time what I'm thinking here is I
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can talk to you right now
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while I am visualizing an elephant in my
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brain like does that count about as
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thinking two things at the same time to
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me though maybe I'm wrong about this but
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when you're visualizing the elephant and
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talking to me you're not actually doing
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two things at the same time you're just
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jumping between the two things over a
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microsecond by microsecond you think
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you're switching back and forth between
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the two mm-hmm I think at the exact
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moment you're actually thinking of the
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clever thing you want to say to me you
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are momentarily
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using the elephant yeah this also gets
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really to the core of like I'm not
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convinced that talking is thinking
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because talking seems to be a thing that
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just happens certainly for us in ninety
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five episodes of like I mean going to
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the very very core of like what we
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started talking about the beginning of
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this podcast I like to talk about this
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as a topic with creative people but it
00:44:26
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is a thing that you can make people
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aware of just in their regular life
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which is like just pay attention while
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you're talking and you will realize you
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have no idea how you're doing it it's
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just a thing that happens and that even
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when you think you're thinking about
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talking like you don't know where those
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thoughts like it is just an automatic
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process and there is something about
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that realization which is absolutely
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terrifying and it is ten times
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terrifying when say like you do a
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podcast for a living because you have to
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come like face to face with the concept
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of one of the core things that you do
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for a living
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you fundamentally have no idea how you
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do it it just happens this is what I
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mean like the question very quickly gets
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to the concept of like what is thinking
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because I feel like I could easily say
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that talking isn't any kind of thinking
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that there's not any thinking that's
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occurring while talking is happening and
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that visualizing an elephant to me seems
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like this is what thinking is or closing
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my mouth and then listening to the
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internal dialogue in my head that that's
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what thinking is and then if you're like
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okay thinking is the words that you hear
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in your head is like well then that's
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very clear there's only ever one voice
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talking in your head and if that's what
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thoughts are then no it's not possible
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to think about two things at once there
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is a component to conversation that
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obviously isn't talking but there is
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that part of you where you're thinking
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about what you will say next and you're
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even anticipating what that person will
00:45:53
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then say to what you're going to say so
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conversation is obviously very full of
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thought but yeah the actual talking part
00:46:00
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when you actually like put the foot down
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on the talking accelerator yeah it does
00:46:04
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become very strangely automated is
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something I think I think I've mentioned
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this in how they were internet before
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but I noticed it again the other day
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actually and I don't know whether I've
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Eve ever told me if it happens to you
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but if you happen to for some reason
00:46:18
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ever hear an old piece of you podcasting
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do you find you always almost know
00:46:26
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exactly what you're gonna say next and
00:46:28
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not because you remember what you said
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but just because you're so predictable
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in your head like sometimes when I hear
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at a conversation that I've had with you
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in the past like the silly joke or the
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question that I ask next and other thing
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I say I very often anticipate and I
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don't think it's because I remember the
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conversation because I don't I think
00:46:45
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it's just because I'm so so predictable
00:46:47
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when I'm done with these episodes I
00:46:50
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don't think I have ever listened to a
00:46:51
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hello internet episode after it's gone
00:46:53
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live unless I'm preparing for a show
00:46:58
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yeah but even then I haven't done that
00:47:00
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very recently but what I do have is a
00:47:03
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thing when I am editing let's say that
00:47:06
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the only thing I'm doing is I'm looking
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at the screen I'm looking at the
00:47:09
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waveforms I'm editing the podcast
00:47:11
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especially when I'm doing it for the
00:47:13
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first time so I'm listening to the raw
00:47:15
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conversation exactly as it happened hmm
00:47:18
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I'm aware that I can get almost caught
00:47:21
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in a weird loop where I don't know how
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to describe it but it's almost like my
00:47:26
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brain is just like a wagon going
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westward in these really well-worn
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tracks and there's no ability to even
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turn off the tracks mm-hmm it's
00:47:36
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sometimes the thing I have to kind of
00:47:37
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break out of or it's like what happened
00:47:39
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to me I feel like I just disappeared and
00:47:41
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this conversation is happening through
00:47:43
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my brain and my brain is just this very
00:47:46
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predictable machine which is like
00:47:49
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repeating the exact things that it is
00:47:53
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saying in the past like it's it's very
00:47:56
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hard to describe but it does feel like I
00:47:57
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lose myself and can kind of forget that
00:48:00
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I'm supposed to be here editing a
00:48:02
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podcast it's more like my brain has gone
00:48:04
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on some kind of autopilot because it's
00:48:06
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receiving the exact same inputs and
00:48:10
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hearing the exact same outputs that it
00:48:13
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would produce so I think this is a
00:48:15
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similar experience to what you're
00:48:17
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talking about but it's just yeah I think
00:48:20
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so too I intentionally especially when
00:48:22
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I'm doing the first edit I intentionally
00:48:25
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want to have something visual to do
00:48:27
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which is very often like playing a video
00:48:28
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game because it helps
00:48:31
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keep me actually more focused on the
00:48:33
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conversation I think that that's that's
00:48:36
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part of it is like break this little
00:48:39
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self-similar pattern by having something
00:48:41
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else that you're paying attention to
00:48:42
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that's like I can hear the podcast more
00:48:45
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clearly when I'm visually doing
00:48:48
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something else and I think that's part
00:48:49
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of the reason why I was gonna slightly
00:48:52
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modify this next question just to tone
00:48:53
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it down but I think it's kind of it's
00:48:55
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starkness and harshness is what makes
00:48:57
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the question work so I'm gonna read it
00:48:59
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as printed go for it would you accept a
00:49:02
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heart transplant from a rapist
00:49:04
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I mean I'm dying here right yeah I
00:49:06
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presume you like at doing it recreation
00:49:07
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yeah like it's not recreational heart
00:49:09
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transplant surgery yeah um yeah I would
00:49:11
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do that I would have no problem with
00:49:13
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that because I feel like it is a piece
00:49:15
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of meat I wouldn't accept a brain
00:49:17
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transplant from a rapist but like if we
00:49:21
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could take a rapist and cut him up into
00:49:22
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all the different pieces and distribute
00:49:23
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them all to people and you could save
00:49:26
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lives with those pieces like I don't see
00:49:27
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how that's not good
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well let me ask her another question
00:49:29
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that's a good answer let me change the
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question on you hmm if a rapist died and
00:49:34
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left all their money to you in their
00:49:36
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will and the money wasn't gained by
00:49:39
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illegal means right would you accept the
00:49:41
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money from a rapist yes that's an easier
00:49:44
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one and I would say no but money's money
00:49:46
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like heart is a mate yeah your heart is
00:49:50
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made a lot isn't it is the Reese yes
00:49:52
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that is true you can use that as the
00:49:53
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title of the episode if you like oh
00:49:55
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you're doing the episode title fishing
00:49:56
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while we're doing it now that's that's
00:49:58
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terrible radiation I'm thinking of
00:50:00
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multiple things at once it you shouldn't
00:50:01
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be doing metacognition on the podcast
00:50:03
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will holder recording I was also
00:50:04
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imagining an elephant as I said the
00:50:08
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distinction here is okay so I I I'm
00:50:11
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gonna take your modification modify it
00:50:13
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again yeah I am a popper in need of
00:50:16
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life-saving surgery that I cannot pay
00:50:19
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for and a rapist dies and leaves me his
00:50:22
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money that I can use to pay for the
00:50:24
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surgery would I use the money to pay for
00:50:26
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the surgery yes even if it was
00:50:28
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ill-gotten money even if it was
00:50:30
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ill-gotten money I would use the money
00:50:32
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that had been left to me yeah presumably
00:50:34
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that this is like not an illegal
00:50:35
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situation I don't know exactly how that
00:50:37
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works no no yeah that no you're right
00:50:39
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you're not breaking the law
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right if I am not breaking the law and
00:50:42
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like a rapist leaves me some money that
00:50:45
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on a surgery to save my own life I would
00:50:47
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totally do that but the situation is now
00:50:49
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►
it's like I am CGP grey podcaster
00:50:52
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►
YouTube creator video game live streamer
00:50:55
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►
dog walker dog well that's dog walker
00:50:57
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actually by sheer number of hours that
00:51:00
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is now my heart is profession probably
00:51:02
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in that situation like a rapist dies and
00:51:05
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leaves me some money like that is just
00:51:06
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going immediately to a like a woman
00:51:09
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shelter right like I'm just redirecting
00:51:10
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that money straight away it's like yeah
00:51:12
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yeah money is money but the reason that
00:51:15
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the original scenario works is because
00:51:17
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it's a question about like saving your
00:51:19
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life it's nade yeah it's what you see
00:51:21
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it's innate must yeah that's what makes
00:51:24
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the the difference in that scenario
00:51:26
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fair answer would you brainy I am a bit
00:51:29
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squeamish about accepting a heart
00:51:30
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transplant rapist but I am also a bit
00:51:33
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squeamish about dying from heart disease
00:51:35
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when I don't have to so the eternal void
00:51:37
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that'll wait - yeah - bit squeamish
00:51:39
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about that if someone changed your life
00:51:41
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for the better
00:51:43
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by lying to you would it be a good Act
00:51:46
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mmm God I say yes here's a problem I
00:51:52
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have with that quite the the phrasing of
00:51:53
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that question yeah this reminds me of
00:51:56
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like sometimes in movies when you you
00:51:59
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are given the like the all-seeing
00:52:01
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perspective and you know something for
00:52:03
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sure and when you're watching it like
00:52:05
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that changes how you perceive characters
00:52:07
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in a movie it's like oh but you know for
00:52:09
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sure this thing did or did not happen so
00:52:11
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I feel like that question is starting
00:52:14
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out by positing there like this will for
00:52:17
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sure always be a net positive if this
00:52:20
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person lies to you and I feel like the
00:52:23
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real world is much more complicated than
00:52:27
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that but I under the premise that this
00:52:29
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question is asking I think the answer is
00:52:32
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is yes but I'm I'm very hesitant to say
00:52:36
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that as like social stamp of approval
00:52:39
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for lying to make people feel better
00:52:44
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exactly I think the answer is yes but
00:52:46
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they took a tremendous risk I think
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there are far far fewer situations where
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even things like White Lies but like
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lying to make someone better I think
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there are fewer ways that actual
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works then people think it works right
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that's why I feel hesitant about this
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just because it's like I don't want
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people to hear me like writing a check
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that I'm not really going to cash I'm
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agreeing under very narrow circumstances
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this next question is a bit similar to
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something we've already discussed and
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it's also high-stakes trolley problem
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here no no no the trolley problem if you
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could save the planet by wiping out half
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the population of the human race should
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you wait the planet I don't know I guess
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they're saying is it ok to kill half the
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humans in the world if they're all going
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to die otherwise do you mean the planet
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like we're saving Mother Earth because
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I'm not real interested in that but is
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my alternative we can move everybody to
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Mars and not save the planet and like ah
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well whatever it's just like Antarctica
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into the sea it goes ok yeah so you're
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taking the planet a bit as just at the
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rock but like if the question is would
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you kill half of everybody to save
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everybody like I can barely understand
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how the answer could possibly be no I
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wouldn't do that well some people would
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take the position that it's not my role
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to kill other humans yet alone half the
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humans so if we're all going to die so
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be it it was God's will well you know
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you you can die with them or you can die
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for them that makes no sound like we're
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all going to die anyway if you can just
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have half the people die and half the
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people survive that is obviously better
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the problem I have with this as well as
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like once you start talking about the
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complete extinction of everybody it's
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like a tragedy without any parallel when
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you talk about like the complete
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extinction of conscious human experience
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from the universe there's like nothing
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you can possibly put on the opposite end
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of that scale except for maybe a puppy
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it's just too big it's hard to imagine
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anything that could counterbalance that
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should your estate own the emails in
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oh I thought you just say yes of course
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next question it's funny I have had this
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is like a thing for the show for a while
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back I think this there is so much
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weirdness in the digital world around
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people dying I think the answer is
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legally it is the case that like you
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your emails and things become just part
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of it but there's I read awhile back
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like Facebook has this whole process
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about like memorializing pages and you
00:55:26
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know what is the process for when
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someone dies on Facebook like what is
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going to happen like your estate might
00:55:32
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CGP graves personal emails are really
00:55:34
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like saucy and interesting or
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controversial we could turn these into a
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book and squeeze another five hundred
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thousand pounds out of his estate mm-hmm
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and that's not very fair on you because
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when you died you didn't want that to
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happen they were like your conversations
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yeah they should just like disappear
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like you have not be capitalized and
00:55:52
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used and manipulated and liquidated and
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I may be a little extreme in this
00:55:58
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position but I feel very strongly that a
00:56:01
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lot of our digital lives should be
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treated the same way that we treat
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thoughts in our heads yeah I know that
00:56:08
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that is not practical for a whole bunch
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of reasons but that is partly why like I
00:56:12
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pause there because there's something
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about like there's something about that
00:56:16
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question that feels a little bit like
00:56:17
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when you die should the complete record
00:56:21
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of all of the thoughts you ever had in
00:56:23
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your life be available to your estate
00:56:24
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and it's like well of course you know in
00:56:27
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one sense I'm dead it doesn't really
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matter to me but on the other senses
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like wow it feels like an incredible
00:56:32
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invasion so much of an invasion that
00:56:35
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even though I will be dead it's like
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while I'm alive that would that would
00:56:38
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feel like whoa I can't believe this is
00:56:40
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going to happen so it's been weighing
00:56:42
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down on you because I was gonna say
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you're dead surely you don't care but
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you're saying it's weighed down on you
00:56:46
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while you're alive so much that it
00:56:48
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shouldn't have been the case there's
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also a society question here like should
00:56:51
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the record of everyone's thoughts be
00:56:52
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available when that person dies and like
00:56:54
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I'm not sure that would be good for
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society either
00:56:56
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I guess there is something about this
00:56:58
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which I just feel like a large number of
00:57:00
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like the stuff that lives on a person's
00:57:02
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phone is very similar in my head to the
00:57:04
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stuff that lives in the person's brain
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and you in the course of your life are
00:57:10
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making decisions about what parts of
00:57:12
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that do you want to externalize or not
00:57:15
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you take a picture of say an adorable
00:57:18
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Audrey and then you make a decision
00:57:19
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about whether or not that adorable
00:57:21
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Audrey photo is going to be for you or
00:57:23
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it's going to be for the world on
00:57:26
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Instagram and the state question there
00:57:29
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feels like does the world or your does
00:57:31
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your estate get to have access to all of
00:57:34
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the Audrey photos that you took and made
00:57:38
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some decision about keeping for you
00:57:41
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during the course of your life as
00:57:42
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opposed to just the ones that you decide
00:57:44
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to put out in the world there so and I
00:57:47
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don't have a good answer but I think
00:57:49
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that I think the legal answer is yes
00:57:50
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this question like on the face of it
00:57:52
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might be one way you say oh I'm not
00:57:54
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going there but maybe otherwise should
00:57:58
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stupid people be prevented from voting
00:58:01
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I'm happy to go there my position on
00:58:05
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this is if we lived in a perfect world
00:58:09
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only people who are informed on the
00:58:11
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topic should be voting on that topic but
00:58:14
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I can't conceive of any way in the real
00:58:20
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world you could implement anything like
00:58:23
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that that wouldn't be worse than the
00:58:24
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problem you're trying to solve so I'm
00:58:27
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gonna give a hard no on preventing
00:58:30
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stupid people from voting because I just
00:58:33
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think that there's not anything that you
00:58:34
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could do that doesn't just immediately
00:58:38
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become another tool in the like
00:58:40
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gerrymandering voter suppression arsenal
00:58:43
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of politics here's a here's my question
00:58:45
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I don't want this to come out the wrong
00:58:46
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way my question would be should stupid
00:58:48
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people be prevented from having babies I
00:58:51
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don't mean because they'll have like a
00:58:52
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dumb baby I don't mean it I mean you
00:58:55
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don't mean because you're like Brady
00:58:56
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Himmler right now no I mean it more in
00:58:59
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the context of they could be bad parents
00:59:01
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I sometimes say really bad parenting and
00:59:04
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I I guess what I sometimes think is
00:59:05
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shouldn't people like have to get a
00:59:07
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license for this like they do get a
00:59:09
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license to drive a car we have to maybe
00:59:11
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a better way to ask the question that
00:59:13
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would upset less people would be should
00:59:14
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stupid people be allowed to have puppies
00:59:18
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because that's getting to the same
00:59:19
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problem at slightly lower stakes but I
00:59:21
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sometimes think people have been given
00:59:24
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responsibility for things in the world
00:59:27
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at a time when they don't seem equipped
00:59:29
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to exercise that responsibility it seems
00:59:33
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crazy to me that you you don't even have
00:59:37
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to just like take a like a course like
00:59:39
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an evening class or anything before you
00:59:42
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have a baby the shame of this problem
00:59:44
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has a lot of the same issues of like
00:59:46
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preventing stupid people from vote which
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is like oh the details of this system
00:59:49
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really matter here's the thing I'm not
00:59:51
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even convinced that an evening course in
00:59:56
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parenting would teach anybody anything