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H.I. 94: Video of Meaninglessness


00:00:00   so gray do you know how I know you've

00:00:03   changed how do you know that I've

00:00:05   changed well moments before we started

00:00:08   this Cole hmm I received a message from

00:00:11   you which was a video of you picking up

00:00:14   a mr. chompers dog poo yeah as requested

00:00:17   as requested and I was looking at going

00:00:20   he's changed and then the FaceTime Co

00:00:24   happens up you pop on my screen and

00:00:26   there you are cuddling mr. chompers mr.

00:00:31   chompers is in the house right now sadly

00:00:33   I can't have him here while I'm

00:00:35   recording because the chomping sounds

00:00:38   would overwhelm everything he's really

00:00:40   into his chew bones it would literally

00:00:42   be just the background of the entire

00:00:46   podcast and you think people wouldn't

00:00:48   like that I think it would be

00:00:49   distracting I think that people wouldn't

00:00:50   like that

00:00:51   so he's currently in the other room

00:00:53   being looked after by my wife and he's a

00:00:56   very sleepy dog because he had a huge

00:00:58   walk through the park today

00:01:00   so he's chilling out right now in the

00:01:01   next room I have to say I'm impressed by

00:01:03   mr. chompers cuteness I would say he's

00:01:05   approaching 80 to 90% of Audrey cuteness

00:01:08   oh okay is that how you measure dog

00:01:11   cuteness you know only asymptotically

00:01:13   approach one Audrey for cuteness is that

00:01:16   how that works yeah it can't ever

00:01:17   actually be reached but you know but

00:01:19   dogs can get closer and closer to what

00:01:21   one Audrey of cuteness he's pretty cute

00:01:24   he may lose a bit of that as he gets a

00:01:25   bit bigger but he's still quite a sight

00:01:27   yeah he's adorable but they do grow up

00:01:30   so fast no not if you've got an Audrey

00:01:32   it's true she does not change in size

00:01:35   but they D puppy so fast that's true

00:01:38   like I look into his little mr. chompers

00:01:40   face and even just over the weeks that

00:01:42   I've known him I can see that he's

00:01:44   getting a little bit more jolly in his

00:01:46   face iris like oh your puppy face is

00:01:48   becoming just a bit more jolly as you

00:01:50   get older he's still super adorable I

00:01:52   think the same thing about you sometimes

00:01:53   I think we all get more jelly as we as

00:01:56   we age it's like what you're getting a

00:01:58   squeeze now little guy like that's

00:01:59   what's happening right little squeeze

00:02:01   maybe a little kiss on the head is

00:02:03   nothing but purifying after mr. chompers

00:02:05   you put your mouth on him yeah what's we

00:02:08   didn't you kiss a dog Brady not on the

00:02:09   middle obviously cuz they're disgusting

00:02:12   and peep

00:02:13   do that that is vile right that is

00:02:16   absolutely vile and I have to say as key

00:02:18   as mr. chompers is he would be quite

00:02:20   high on the list of dogs I would not

00:02:22   want to kiss on the mouth there's one of

00:02:23   these things where it's a bit like

00:02:24   having a baby where it where they do

00:02:25   like a gross thing and you feel like the

00:02:27   parents are always like oh but it's my

00:02:29   baby so it's less gross mr. chompers

00:02:31   does have this habit of sneezing right

00:02:35   into my face and sometimes I can sense

00:02:38   that it's coming like a split second

00:02:40   before it's about to happen yeah you

00:02:42   could see like he's that he's like a

00:02:43   snout II dog with a huge amount when he

00:02:45   sneezes right in your face it is so

00:02:47   gross gross it is not a light delicate

00:02:51   sneeze it's disgusting but now a little

00:02:54   kiss on the top of the head for mr.

00:02:55   chompers yeah that's perfectly fine

00:02:57   that's nice but like people who do dog

00:02:59   kisses on the mouth disgusting

00:03:00   sharing ice cream with the dog gross

00:03:03   right don't to that that's that's

00:03:04   revolting you got any more mr. chompers

00:03:07   stories to share what's been going on

00:03:08   what's the what's the latest well I mean

00:03:11   here's the thing Brady you said I have

00:03:13   changed I don't think I have changed at

00:03:15   all I'm still the same person hmm but I

00:03:17   do feel like I've fallen into an

00:03:20   alternate universe version of London

00:03:24   because we've been training mr. chompers

00:03:27   to be better a walking walking not his

00:03:30   strongest suit

00:03:31   he can be very stubborn and just sort of

00:03:33   sits there but he's gotten much better

00:03:34   and in the past mm 10 days we can now

00:03:37   take him on real little walks like what

00:03:40   we're walking through the park and he's

00:03:41   coming along and he's doing great but

00:03:43   now this means we're in our local park

00:03:45   and there are neighborhood dogs here

00:03:47   well mr. jumpers is one of them yeah mr.

00:03:49   chompers is totally one of the

00:03:50   neighborhood dogs and there's a thing

00:03:53   that which I think I've mentioned before

00:03:54   but I think it's fantastic which is in

00:03:56   London and I think almost every single

00:03:59   Park dog czar just allowed off the

00:04:01   leashes which is fantastic I think it's

00:04:03   the way that it should be dogs just go

00:04:05   like run wild and crazy in the park and

00:04:07   this actually going to some of the

00:04:10   themes of the show I think is a perfect

00:04:12   case where things are more safe when

00:04:16   they seem less safe like so by having

00:04:18   all of the dogs off of the leashes

00:04:20   they're just fine like they're just

00:04:22   running around doing what they want and

00:04:24   they don't really interact with people

00:04:25   and there is a way

00:04:27   dogs when they're on leashes the very

00:04:29   fact that they're on a leash can sort of

00:04:32   agitate them into more aggressive

00:04:34   behavior so I think it's better for

00:04:35   everybody when the dogs are off the

00:04:37   leash --is and they're just like running

00:04:38   around I agree with that the sort of the

00:04:40   natural order of things can be done

00:04:42   whereas if they're on a leash as well

00:04:43   you know dogs can't run and move in the

00:04:45   ways that they need to in sort of dog

00:04:48   world and it's also like like when we're

00:04:50   sort of training mr. chompers about how

00:04:52   to be polite in his interactions with

00:04:53   other dogs like because he's still a

00:04:56   little bit too young we are keeping him

00:04:58   on the leash but it's very clear to see

00:05:00   that there's a way in which like if we

00:05:02   don't notice that a dog is coming and he

00:05:04   sort of jumps that the tugging of the

00:05:07   leash will like amp him up whereas if

00:05:09   you just have him sit down and sort of

00:05:11   put him into sitting position then he's

00:05:12   very calm and everything's fine but it's

00:05:13   like the leash can aggravate some dog

00:05:16   behavior but anyway all of this is to

00:05:17   say when you're in the park and dogs are

00:05:20   not on leashes and this is just the way

00:05:21   they are dogs they don't care at all

00:05:23   about humans right they're too busy

00:05:24   doing their own dog affairs you know

00:05:26   they're up to whatever they are up to

00:05:27   yeah and in in the years that I have

00:05:30   lived in London and the years that my

00:05:31   wife and I have walked through the local

00:05:33   park we can count on one hand the number

00:05:36   of times a dog has come up to us to say

00:05:39   hello and almost always it has been a

00:05:41   little puppy dog right yeah but now that

00:05:43   we are walking a little puppy dog all

00:05:45   the dogs come up to us right so it's

00:05:48   like I am getting to meet all of the

00:05:50   neighborhood dogs and it feels like I

00:05:52   have this subjective feeling like there

00:05:54   are 10 times as many dogs in the city as

00:05:57   there ever have been of course the

00:05:58   number hasn't changed but I'm just

00:06:00   supremely aware of all of them and it's

00:06:03   like everywhere I go I'm walking little

00:06:05   mr. chompers and like oh and we're

00:06:07   meeting all of these other dogs it's

00:06:08   like oh hello how are you right and you

00:06:10   like find out the dog's name and doing

00:06:12   little chit chats with them so it's like

00:06:14   I live in a completely different city

00:06:16   when I go out walking with mr. chompers

00:06:18   it is a city that is filled with dogs

00:06:21   who want to interact in a way that they

00:06:23   just never did before so it's it's like

00:06:24   a whole new world for me I bet you're

00:06:27   like made to where you just the humans

00:06:29   are almost don't exist - I always have

00:06:31   conversations with my wife and she'll be

00:06:33   like ah did you see you know Jenny at

00:06:35   the park and I'm like Jenny who who the

00:06:37   heck's Jenny and sugar you know the one

00:06:39   with the white dog with the fluffy

00:06:40   oh yeah I know that dog yeah yeah I had

00:06:43   no idea who the person is it's all like

00:06:46   dogs with like just a human attach that

00:06:48   you're vaguely aware of it's like the

00:06:50   human is just the metadata for the dog

00:06:52   like that y'all can interrogate what's

00:06:54   the dog's name

00:06:54   how old is everything and like okay

00:06:56   you've given me the information I need

00:06:58   let's get back to the dogs 100% and what

00:07:01   I absolutely love is that it seems like

00:07:03   everybody has this agreed-upon social

00:07:06   convention so you're exchanging dog

00:07:09   names but no joke in the last week I

00:07:12   probably met a hundred dogs right how

00:07:15   many of those humans have told me their

00:07:16   name zero right how many of those demons

00:07:19   do I want to know their name zero right

00:07:22   how many of those humans have I told my

00:07:24   name to zero how many of those humans

00:07:26   have we had a little conversation about

00:07:28   Oh what do you do for work right none of

00:07:31   them it is the best human interaction

00:07:33   that there can possibly be yeah and

00:07:35   talking about the dogs

00:07:37   I find myself genuinely interested in

00:07:38   every one of these conversations where

00:07:40   we're talking about like their dogs

00:07:41   funny little habits with whatever this

00:07:43   thing is they're like we're meeting some

00:07:44   dogs what what's his favorite toy how

00:07:46   does he do things how long has he been

00:07:47   in the park who are his doggy friends

00:07:49   right yeah like mr. chompers got invited

00:07:51   to a doggy Christmas party as like oh

00:07:53   this is fantastic right like everything

00:07:55   is great here so I'm absolutely 100%

00:07:58   enjoying this alternate universe London

00:08:00   where I get to meet dogs and I also feel

00:08:04   really bad because I'm terrible at

00:08:06   remembering human names but now I feel

00:08:08   like I walked through the park I know

00:08:09   all the dog's names right like I

00:08:10   recognize every single one of them like

00:08:12   Otto who that dog is right ever met that

00:08:13   dog a few times before it's just such a

00:08:15   funny different experience that has

00:08:18   completely changed a local environment

00:08:20   for us we have an extra weird scenario

00:08:22   where we have a dog walker who sometimes

00:08:25   walks Audrey and Lulu when mm-hmm we're

00:08:28   away or were too busy and things like

00:08:29   that and that person walks lots of dogs

00:08:31   and goes to lots of other different

00:08:32   places around where we live so Audrey

00:08:35   and Lulu know all these other dogs that

00:08:38   we don't know and meet all these other

00:08:39   people that we don't know and sometimes

00:08:41   we'll be out walking and we'll come

00:08:43   across someone and a dog who we've never

00:08:45   met before and we'll go to introduce

00:08:47   ourselves but they will already know

00:08:48   everything the dogs will be wagging

00:08:49   their tails and the owners will say oh

00:08:51   yeah we know Audrey and Lulu like you

00:08:53   know we've met the

00:08:53   loads of times and my wife oh okay well

00:08:56   at the pariahs that no one knows but our

00:08:58   dogs are like famous I am in that

00:09:00   position though right because mr.

00:09:03   chompers is not my dog and twice now

00:09:06   I've had someone else recognize they go

00:09:08   oh that's mr. chompers right hey and so

00:09:10   the like these dogs have already met at

00:09:12   some point right and I haven't been

00:09:14   around and it's a very funny situation

00:09:16   I'm not quite sure how to describe my

00:09:19   relationship to mr. chompers it's like

00:09:21   we are some neighbors who talked our way

00:09:24   into looking after this adorable puppy I

00:09:26   haven't quite figured out like what is

00:09:28   the condensed way to describe this

00:09:31   situation you're an unpaid professional

00:09:34   don't care

00:09:35   that's essentially what it is right yeah

00:09:37   it is funny sometimes to run into the

00:09:40   professional dog walkers who will have

00:09:42   it have a pack of like ten dogs and

00:09:43   sometimes some of them will know mr.

00:09:45   chompers and they'll be a little a

00:09:46   little stop and a little talk and it

00:09:48   does through the course of the

00:09:49   conversation I can see the other person

00:09:51   realizes like okay so you're just

00:09:52   walking somebody else's dog for free or

00:09:54   you scab exactly like you're

00:09:56   undercutting the market here you jerk

00:09:58   like what are you doing let me get that

00:10:03   straight this is not your dog you're

00:10:04   just walking him for free yep that's

00:10:06   what I'm doing okay I have a question

00:10:11   for you there braiding and I'm curious

00:10:14   the answer this question because I have

00:10:15   a feeling like maybe this is the thing

00:10:16   I'm going to run into more in London

00:10:18   when you talk about the human as

00:10:21   dispensing the metadata that is related

00:10:23   to the dog hmm how often does the human

00:10:27   tell you the dog's Instagram account I'm

00:10:34   about to be shamed here I can feel it

00:10:36   because I have been known to mention

00:10:38   Audrey's Instagram account right right

00:10:40   no how do you does have an Instagram

00:10:41   account I'm not trying to shame you I'm

00:10:43   just I guess because your dog does have

00:10:45   an Instagram account how many times has

00:10:47   somebody ever mentioned to you first

00:10:49   it's never come the other way no one's

00:10:51   ever told me that but I'm not in London

00:10:53   which is a bit more Posey you know I'm

00:10:55   in a less Posey place so it's a lot less

00:10:58   likely that a dog will have an Instagram

00:11:00   account where I live than where you live

00:11:01   so I'm the flash get

00:11:04   we can't and a Facebook page but it's

00:11:08   never come the other way for me and to

00:11:10   be fair you are like an Internet person

00:11:12   right who makes a living at this so yeah

00:11:14   for you the the additional marginal

00:11:17   effort to be running an Instagram

00:11:18   account for your dog is not as high as

00:11:20   it would be for somebody else who isn't

00:11:22   making a living on the internet all day

00:11:23   long doing this stuff anyway thank you I

00:11:26   legitimately do give you a total pass on

00:11:28   this adorable Audrey by the way terrible

00:11:31   anniversary don't check it out how many

00:11:35   followers does she have an Instagram on

00:11:37   Instagram that's a good question my wife

00:11:40   actually runs the Instagram account

00:11:42   noticing which annoys our no end because

00:11:45   people always leave comments saying nice

00:11:46   one brady i run the facebook page okay

00:11:53   that's the division of labor here

00:11:54   she has 5,000 followers okay so she's

00:11:59   not mega apparently it's it's 10,000

00:12:02   before people will even consider doing

00:12:04   brand deals with you so she's a long way

00:12:06   from even getting brand deals on

00:12:07   instagram she's not an influencer

00:12:09   because i I was recently with some

00:12:11   Instagram influencers and they told me

00:12:13   10,000 is when you can start to be

00:12:15   considered an influencer on Instagram

00:12:17   let's put a pin in that and come back to

00:12:19   that because I want to return to this

00:12:20   idea of Instagram influencers but in the

00:12:22   meantime this is a thing that did catch

00:12:24   me completely off-guard because it

00:12:27   doesn't happen a ton but it happens

00:12:30   enough I feel like I'm getting a sense

00:12:33   in advance when I'm meeting a dog that

00:12:37   I'm going to be told an Instagram

00:12:39   account yeah I feel like there's a type

00:12:41   of person who has a dog Instagram

00:12:44   account thanks and you are far outside

00:12:48   of that realm but it does catch me off

00:12:50   guard because I'll meet a dog and the

00:12:52   owner will say something like oh yes hi

00:12:54   this is princess Anastasia

00:12:56   she has 9,000 followers on Instagram

00:12:58   like it's like item number two like like

00:13:00   they're canvassing for the dog in the

00:13:02   park I never really expected this like

00:13:05   in retrospect I guess it makes sense but

00:13:09   I find it funny that there is a a

00:13:13   significant enough like social media

00:13:16   presence for dogs

00:13:18   in the local park in London for some

00:13:20   reason I cannot quite get over that and

00:13:22   I'm not sure how to react to it

00:13:25   but without a doubt I think it is very

00:13:29   much biased towards fancier looking dogs

00:13:32   dogs that look fancy and fluffy they are

00:13:35   way more likely to have Instagram

00:13:38   accounts I have yet to meet a Rottweiler

00:13:40   with an Instagram account but I have met

00:13:43   a significant number of fluffy or

00:13:45   beautiful purebred dogs with Instagram

00:13:48   accounts well that's to be expected

00:13:49   isn't no idea I mean maybe they're just

00:13:52   the ones that are successful on

00:13:53   Instagram so that's why their owners are

00:13:54   out there plugging their dogs does mr.

00:13:58   chompers have an Instagram I don't know

00:13:59   if he has a real life Instagram I don't

00:14:01   think he does right I haven't asked it

00:14:03   could be a whole other aspect to mr.

00:14:04   Trump is life you don't know about well

00:14:06   I mean but there are many aspects to mr.

00:14:07   chompers life that I don't know about

00:14:09   mr. chompers life I wonder from his

00:14:10   perspective what is it like because he

00:14:13   spends I'm on holiday and I was thinking

00:14:18   what are orginially doing right now what

00:14:23   do I think of their holiday home how do

00:14:26   they see things how do they think I

00:14:28   always wonder how dogs think I would pay

00:14:31   a considerable amount of money just to

00:14:33   be able to read my dog's minds I just

00:14:36   want to know what they think drives me

00:14:38   crazy that I'll never know and I know

00:14:40   they're animals and I know animals are

00:14:42   animals and they don't think like us but

00:14:44   I just wish I knew more about their

00:14:46   brains

00:14:46   okay people say that thing right oh it's

00:14:48   an animal's an animal and like don't

00:14:50   anthropomorphize the animals and it's

00:14:52   like I get where you're coming from

00:14:53   but I really do think that dogs are an

00:14:58   exception to this like there is no

00:14:59   species that has co-evolved with humans

00:15:02   over a longer period of time that has

00:15:05   also Co evolved in a way that is

00:15:08   beneficial to the survival of both of

00:15:10   the species like I think if any creature

00:15:12   is able to think like humans like dogs

00:15:15   have to be at the top of that list aside

00:15:17   from the things that are they basically

00:15:18   like genetically us hmm so I'm perfectly

00:15:21   fine with anthropomorphizing the dog and

00:15:22   thinking that the dog has things in its

00:15:26   head that we could recognize as feelings

00:15:29   or emotional states I hope

00:15:32   true like a thing that has happened with

00:15:33   mr. chompers is that he's gotten it stop

00:15:36   laughing baby I don't know what you mean

00:15:42   I'm that guy I'm like you

00:15:44   we're having a podcast here we need to

00:15:45   talk about things and I want to talk

00:15:47   about mr. chompers I'm really

00:15:48   comfortable in that seat because I kept

00:15:50   talking about mr. chomp reserved all day

00:15:52   long I I feels like you already have

00:15:56   that hurts Brady that hurts real deep

00:16:00   mr. chompers Audrey playdate we do we do

00:16:04   have to organize that if you actually

00:16:06   have people taking planes to visit me

00:16:09   and they're making sure that they're

00:16:10   scheduling it on mr. chompers days

00:16:11   because people wanted mr. chopper

00:16:14   they're like oh it's great to come and

00:16:16   see you but I want to make sure I'm

00:16:17   there on a choppers day I don't want to

00:16:18   come on an on chompers day that's no

00:16:20   good you're clearly a more sociable

00:16:22   creature when mr. chompers is involved

00:16:24   we've established that already you're

00:16:25   far more chatty and personable again

00:16:27   it's the positive mood buffs from dog

00:16:29   that's what's having I think it's for

00:16:31   love yeah it's the love who doesn't know

00:16:33   everybody loves doggies except monitors

00:16:35   we've established before monitors don't

00:16:38   love dogs I think even monsters love

00:16:39   dogs a little bit Hitler had a dog I'm

00:16:41   sure he loved that dog you know hey Dad

00:16:43   what was a cone was called was it called

00:16:44   Susie his dog it had some funny name I

00:16:46   think it was blondie blondie that's it I

00:16:49   feel like this is like a pub trivia

00:16:50   question I think it was boy yeah I don't

00:16:52   know okay in my head I'm just assuming

00:16:54   it was the German Shepherd I have no

00:16:56   idea you know it might have been like a

00:16:58   yorkie poo I don't know if I was existed

00:16:59   at the time but I think he'll there

00:17:01   probably had a meaner looking dog blondi

00:17:02   HESA has their own Wikipedia page oh is

00:17:06   it blondie was I right about that you

00:17:07   were right but just blondie with an eye

00:17:09   on the end does it like it was a German

00:17:11   Shepherd it was a German Shepherd

00:17:12   blondie with an eye oh god that's

00:17:14   embarrassing as a puppy Hitler was

00:17:20   reportedly very fond of blondie keeping

00:17:22   her by his side and allowing her to

00:17:24   sleep in his bed in the bunker I say I

00:17:27   don't agree with that

00:17:28   I don't agree with that behavior he

00:17:29   shouldn't let the dog in your bed yeah

00:17:32   oh that's the other thing like that I

00:17:33   wanted to mention here which I find

00:17:36   myself doing this thing which is

00:17:39   becoming very judgmental of the way

00:17:43   other people interact with the dogs

00:17:45   right yeah it's like 100% this parental

00:17:52   kind of thing of like oh I don't think

00:17:54   you've you've raised your dog very well

00:17:56   or like oh you think you're a dog person

00:17:59   but you're not really a dog person

00:18:01   you don't know how I can just I can see

00:18:02   what you and your wife are like you're

00:18:04   these people who think they're like the

00:18:05   authority on like dog rearing and like

00:18:09   it's your way or the highway

00:18:10   now I don't agree with that at all like

00:18:12   that like there are many different ways

00:18:14   to do it but I just think there's like

00:18:16   I'll give an example it's just that all

00:18:18   the other wise are wrong I'm gonna back

00:18:22   this up right I'm gonna bring up the

00:18:23   thing which is like the slightly

00:18:25   controversial thing which is against

00:18:26   Cesar Millan this is the Tavey dog

00:18:28   training guy for people who yeah yes I

00:18:30   he's a TV dog training guy yeah now when

00:18:33   you say like it's our way or it's

00:18:35   nothing like I think I really disagree

00:18:37   with that because mm-hmm

00:18:40   like what we haven't done with mr.

00:18:43   chompers hardly at all as things like

00:18:45   tricks right teaching him to sit

00:18:48   teaching him to lay down doing that kind

00:18:50   of stuff right that's a very particular

00:18:52   kind of training that he's still a

00:18:54   little young for anyway and like there

00:18:57   are a bunch of different ways that you

00:18:58   can try to do that they're all based off

00:19:00   a positive reinforcement but like there

00:19:01   are very many ways that you can do stuff

00:19:03   when I'm talking about like a judgmental

00:19:05   thing what I mean is and what I think is

00:19:09   like the Cesar Millan kind of

00:19:12   controversy is this idea about like what

00:19:15   is your emotional state when you're

00:19:17   interacting with a dog I think that's

00:19:20   the thing that he tries to convey with

00:19:24   his methods of dogs like he's never

00:19:25   really talking about how to get your dog

00:19:28   to roll over right or how to do specific

00:19:31   behaviors he's talking about like this

00:19:32   meta thing about how do you interact

00:19:34   with the dog and I think there's just a

00:19:37   really really key skill that some people

00:19:41   have and some people don't I'll give you

00:19:42   an example like what am i judgemental

00:19:44   loud mr. chompers was out in the park

00:19:47   and this little kid came up to mr.

00:19:51   chompers this adorable tiny tot she came

00:19:54   up to mr. chompers and she wanted to

00:19:56   interact with him and we said okay right

00:19:57   we're socializing him

00:19:59   mm-hm and she was great because she

00:20:01   looked at us she looked at us the owners

00:20:03   from her perspective of the dog and said

00:20:05   is he a biting dog right like yeah she's

00:20:08   like oh kid I love you already right you

00:20:11   have the concepts that some little dogs

00:20:13   are gonna be biting dogs right like yeah

00:20:15   you're so far ahead and so I'm looking

00:20:18   at this kid in like okay great I like

00:20:20   you already kid and said oh yeah so go

00:20:22   ahead you can interact with mr. chompers

00:20:24   and I was also looking at her because

00:20:25   she was covered head-to-toe in an

00:20:30   adorable kid puffy snow outfit that

00:20:33   obstructed her movement like she had

00:20:35   immunity to accidental piercing damage

00:20:36   like there is no way that even if mr.

00:20:38   chompers were to bite that he would do

00:20:40   any damage to this kid and he's gotten a

00:20:42   million times better about this so he

00:20:44   doesn't bite very much at all and so

00:20:46   like mr. chompers in this little kid

00:20:48   they had a nice little interaction right

00:20:50   she was squealing with joy and playing

00:20:52   around like oh great this is perfect

00:20:53   yeah and then we walk on not five

00:20:55   minutes later we run into a guy who's

00:20:58   like oh can i interact with mr. chompers

00:20:59   and he does the thing which some people

00:21:03   who own dogs do the thing where when

00:21:05   they interact with the dog

00:21:07   they're like riling the dog up there's

00:21:10   like a play style where you're making

00:21:14   the dog more excited which then brings

00:21:16   out bad behaviors in the dog alright and

00:21:19   so this guy was wearing gloves and he

00:21:21   immediately starts like kind of

00:21:22   roughhousing with mr. chompers head and

00:21:24   so I can see like mr. chompers is

00:21:26   getting excited and then mr. chompers

00:21:28   grabs on to the glove and the guy starts

00:21:30   playing like a fun tug-of-war game now

00:21:32   with mr. chompers and it's like her and

00:21:34   then he starts growling it's like oh no

00:21:35   dude like that's the thing that I mean

00:21:37   that I'm judgmental about is like this

00:21:39   very clear thing about bringing the

00:21:41   energy up or bringing the energy down

00:21:44   and it's like hey buddy we met like a

00:21:46   two and a half year old kid who was a

00:21:48   million times better with dogs than you

00:21:49   two seconds ago like you just don't know

00:21:52   how to do it and then sure enough he's

00:21:53   talking about like he owns a dog and his

00:21:55   dog is a total terror and all the

00:21:56   begging I was like of course your dog's

00:21:57   a total terror like if you're

00:21:59   interacting with this dog this way like

00:22:00   you must be doing this with your dog at

00:22:02   home so like you're the fault here not

00:22:04   the dog I'm basically making like a

00:22:05   parental complaint about people who

00:22:07   don't know how to handle dogs but like

00:22:10   that's a very very separate thing from

00:22:12   how do you have a show when

00:22:13   dog who can do a bunch of great tricks

00:22:15   like on command like that's not the

00:22:16   skill that I'm talking about I'm just

00:22:18   talking about a more general skill that

00:22:21   I think is super important but that I

00:22:23   can see a bunch of people who have dogs

00:22:26   they just don't think about like they

00:22:28   amp up dogs when they don't mean to

00:22:30   anyway this is me being a big mr.

00:22:32   chompers parents do you know how blondie

00:22:35   died I have no idea how blondie died

00:22:37   they tested a cyanide capsule that

00:22:41   Hitler thought might not work properly

00:22:42   on the dog so they gave a cyanide

00:22:45   capsule to the dog and killed it of

00:22:47   poisoning and then apparently Hitler

00:22:49   became inconsolable after he ordered the

00:22:52   dog be given the cyanide pill well I

00:22:54   don't think Hitler was in a in a proper

00:22:57   state of mind I didn't think you would

00:22:58   have approved of Hitler's don't rearing

00:23:01   skills they're giving sign-out pills to

00:23:03   the dog no two thumbs down two thumbs

00:23:05   down to Hitler dog raising skill that's

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00:25:36   bit of feedback from previous episodes

00:25:39   there's a few little tidbits to deal

00:25:40   with can I first just say let me do this

00:25:43   one first because this is something

00:25:44   that's been a long time in the making

00:25:46   hello Internet medals of honor mmm now

00:25:50   exist whoo

00:25:52   they have been struck there's a few of

00:25:54   them here in my office there's a few

00:25:56   more in the my famous storage unit

00:25:58   mm-hmm the first one or two are about to

00:26:01   be engraved news will follow in due

00:26:04   course but I just want people to know

00:26:06   because a few people including my

00:26:07   co-host I think have been a bit

00:26:10   skeptical about whether I'd get them

00:26:11   made now they have been made I've never

00:26:14   expressed skepticism about this pretty

00:26:15   well they're there they're done I posted

00:26:18   a picture to our patreon quite a while

00:26:21   ago so patrons probably have already

00:26:24   seen a picture of the medal but we'll

00:26:26   share some more pictures soon in due

00:26:27   course but I just wanted it to be out

00:26:28   there I want people to know you want to

00:26:30   get it on the register this is a real

00:26:31   thing I won on the record but I don't

00:26:33   want people to try and win them these

00:26:36   things are just given out as they're

00:26:38   given and don't try and do anything

00:26:40   stupid

00:26:40   to win one I don't want like someone you

00:26:43   know standing on top of the Burj Khalifa

00:26:45   on one leg doing a base jump with a

00:26:47   Hello Internet flag and they attempt to

00:26:49   win one and we're not going to reward

00:26:51   stupidity or rash activities

00:26:53   he's an organic thing I feel like it's a

00:26:56   bit of a mixed message though to have

00:26:57   them exist

00:26:58   I agree great it is a mixed message but

00:27:00   one thing I've found over the course of

00:27:02   watching Tim egde unfold right is that

00:27:05   wonderful things happen every week that

00:27:09   warms our hearts mm-hmm but I also think

00:27:11   sometimes people like don't have like a

00:27:14   filter hmm

00:27:15   like they don't step outside themselves

00:27:17   and think should I even be doing this

00:27:19   like is this like a bad thing or a

00:27:21   creepy thing or inappropriate I think

00:27:24   people sometimes get a bit lost in the

00:27:26   moment and don't step outside themselves

00:27:28   and think about what they're doing and I

00:27:30   don't move the existence of medals to

00:27:34   exacerbate this problem it's interesting

00:27:36   though because it hadn't really crossed

00:27:38   my mind until this moment but I mean

00:27:40   this there's nothing just with our show

00:27:42   but it's it's a thing that happens

00:27:43   anytime a group starts to form some

00:27:45   identity mm-hmm is a question like what

00:27:48   are the actions that are acceptable

00:27:49   within that identity and yeah you're

00:27:52   right I think there are people who can

00:27:53   sometimes think they're doing something

00:27:56   that's interesting and it's like oh no

00:27:58   that's a terrible idea man but I don't

00:28:00   think there's any effective way really

00:28:02   to express that ahead of time yeah I

00:28:05   guess yeah yeah other than to say

00:28:08   something that is pointless and that is

00:28:09   sometimes stop think about what you're

00:28:11   doing right and think about what this

00:28:13   would look like to other people yeah oh

00:28:15   isn't that kind of stuff the problem is

00:28:16   the people who would stop and think

00:28:18   about what does this look like from the

00:28:19   outside are not the people who would do

00:28:22   those things right yeah it's like a

00:28:23   dunning-kruger effect for actions in

00:28:25   this way like of course the people who

00:28:28   do things that are unacceptable or not

00:28:30   the people who wonder if an activity is

00:28:32   acceptable yeah but I guess so what

00:28:35   you're saying here really is there is

00:28:36   not going to be an escalating hierarchy

00:28:39   of spectacle that these medals would be

00:28:43   awarded for it's more yeah more like

00:28:46   whimsy and good feeling yeah we're going

00:28:49   for here then not something that should

00:28:51   be sought and there's not like a bar

00:28:53   that you must exceed to

00:28:54   one right in fact doing too much will

00:28:56   probably exclude you from ever receiving

00:28:59   one cuz it will make me like you'll just

00:29:01   freak me out a bit that is a big hard to

00:29:04   express is the like well do too much it

00:29:06   becomes really uncomfortable like nope

00:29:09   nope I can't reward this action

00:29:12   nah anyway I'm very glad that they're in

00:29:16   existence and yeah we'll be updating the

00:29:19   audience as time goes on yeah I have a

00:29:23   quick link for you Brady mm-hmm which is

00:29:27   going under the heading in my mind of

00:29:29   the expansion of no fun zones the head

00:29:33   light on this baby c-- news article

00:29:35   you've sent me says Darby cordoned off

00:29:37   Christmas tree and embarrassment this

00:29:40   excites me a bit because this is from

00:29:42   the area of England that I used to cover

00:29:44   when I worked at the BBC so I could have

00:29:46   been the person writing this article

00:29:47   back in the day oh yeah it could have

00:29:49   been your byline on this article well

00:29:50   there is no byline or not but yeah I

00:29:52   could have hoped that maybe a machine

00:29:53   wrote it I just want to put this in in

00:29:55   the show notes because someone passes

00:29:57   along to me and it's picture of this

00:30:01   Christmas tree that is like the saddest

00:30:04   looking Christmas tree in the world not

00:30:06   because that Christmas tree isn't

00:30:07   magnificent but because as the headline

00:30:10   says it's cordoned off by two concentric

00:30:14   rings of gates to keep people away from

00:30:18   the Christmas tree out of concerns about

00:30:20   safety in case of foes on someone else

00:30:22   yeah in case it falls at someone right

00:30:24   and the official statement from the

00:30:26   council is that the barriers are there

00:30:28   to enable people to view the tree at a

00:30:31   safe distance the tray looks like it's

00:30:34   in prison who what the meeting was like

00:30:37   we're gonna have some Christmas cheer

00:30:38   okay but we're gonna we need to have

00:30:40   some barriers around the tree for

00:30:42   imagined safety and then on top of that

00:30:45   our statement is going to be about how

00:30:47   the barriers enable people to view the

00:30:50   tree at a safe distance like without the

00:30:52   barriers people being able to view the

00:30:55   tree at a safe distance wouldn't it be

00:30:57   possible that the barriers are simply

00:30:58   enabling this thing to occur it's just

00:31:01   awful and it just made me sad and I

00:31:03   think it's an example of a no-fun zone

00:31:05   elsewhere in the world it's like

00:31:08   take a place and make sure like Oh

00:31:10   Christmas fun in the town center no

00:31:12   there's no fun that's going to happen

00:31:13   here you're gonna view a tree at an

00:31:15   appropriate distance and you're gonna

00:31:17   like it

00:31:18   it's pretty terrible it looks pretty

00:31:20   terrible it's not a good look

00:31:22   yeah it's very sad so no fun zones

00:31:25   spreading across the world it's funny

00:31:27   cuz I think of you sometimes as a person

00:31:29   who would like like safety you know

00:31:31   you're like a cautious guy I know what

00:31:33   you're saying and it's like there was a

00:31:35   science fiction series called Ringworld

00:31:38   and had an alien species called the I

00:31:40   think was Pearson's puppeteers but the

00:31:42   recurring thing about these aliens which

00:31:45   I just loved was the whole species

00:31:47   evolved from herd animals from prey

00:31:49   animals and so they were obsessed with

00:31:51   safety and the interiors of all their

00:31:53   spaceships had no sharp corners right

00:31:55   like basically in case they were falling

00:31:57   like they wanted to make sure they fell

00:31:58   on a safe rounded corner and it's like I

00:32:01   had a lot of sympathy for those aliens

00:32:03   like yeah you know why not be safe the

00:32:05   thing that bothers me is what I view

00:32:07   this as is like a kind of fake safety

00:32:10   I'm all in favor of more safety right

00:32:12   the sooner we can get humans off the

00:32:14   road that's great the sooner we can stop

00:32:16   people throwing coins into airplanes

00:32:18   that's even better

00:32:19   I'm all for real safety but this kind of

00:32:22   like keep people away from a Christmas

00:32:25   tree safety is a thing that drives me

00:32:27   crazy

00:32:28   that's like security theater at the

00:32:29   airport it's no real benefit and I think

00:32:33   it causes real harm and it causes real

00:32:35   harm in the name of a thing that I do

00:32:38   want more of so I think that's why I

00:32:40   like it this stuff hits me particularly

00:32:42   hard and in a very frustrating way it's

00:32:45   giving safety a bad name it is Brady it

00:32:47   is giving safety a bad name that's

00:32:49   exactly right

00:32:49   having just dissed the Tim's a minute

00:32:52   ago can I now take a moment to thank

00:32:55   them immensely for taking up the call to

00:32:59   arms from the last episode and

00:33:01   subscribing to my periodic videos

00:33:03   YouTube channel so that we could reach a

00:33:05   million subscribers before Sir Martin's

00:33:08   birthday congratulations on that well

00:33:11   congratulations to the Tim's who helped

00:33:13   push us over the top

00:33:14   really appreciate it and we did get

00:33:15   there before the professor's birthday so

00:33:17   that was that made him really happy I

00:33:19   just wanted to also point out

00:33:22   you may have seen if you follow like you

00:33:24   know twittery stuff and all that I

00:33:26   posted a picture of the professor

00:33:28   holding a piece of paper saying you know

00:33:31   periodic table of videos 1 million

00:33:33   thanks Timms and he's like you know he

00:33:35   printed it out and he's holding it up in

00:33:37   one of those weird pictures that people

00:33:38   post where they like you know hold a

00:33:40   message to prove that the message is

00:33:42   from them right yeah

00:33:43   can I just say I had absolutely nothing

00:33:45   to do with this I didn't know he was

00:33:48   doing it I didn't ask him to do it he

00:33:49   just emailed me and said I look I made

00:33:51   this picture so you know that was truly

00:33:53   from his heart mm-hmm but the

00:33:55   interesting thing to me was how did he

00:33:56   know like he saw the spike in

00:33:59   subscribers and I said oh I mentioned it

00:34:01   on the podcast and he was like oh that's

00:34:03   great thank you but how did he know what

00:34:05   Tim's were so I spoke to him on the

00:34:08   phone today and he told me that he

00:34:10   received a birthday card from someone I

00:34:12   can't remember the person's name and

00:34:14   they said dear professor Pepe birthday

00:34:16   from whatever the person's name was and

00:34:19   then they put in brackets I'm a Tim and

00:34:23   then they wrote a few sentences

00:34:25   underneath explaining what a Tim was on

00:34:28   his birthday cut you know but listen to

00:34:30   you know Tim's of what we call people

00:34:31   who listen to the podcast and things

00:34:33   like that that's a very thorough Tim

00:34:34   message it was and that's how the

00:34:36   professor knew what Tim was and what

00:34:38   gave him the idea to make me slinky

00:34:40   picture

00:34:40   Martin then asked me why are they called

00:34:42   Tim's I find that one of the more

00:34:45   difficult questions to answer about my

00:34:47   work why people who's like I know the

00:34:50   answer but it's just really hard to

00:34:52   explain in a pithy way that makes sense

00:34:55   there's no pithy way about it yeah I

00:34:57   think it's one of my favorite examples

00:35:01   of an Internet community selecting in

00:35:04   its own name like this is a thing that

00:35:07   very much happened on its own and a

00:35:11   little bit of pulling back the curtain

00:35:13   here was when this first started I was

00:35:17   not a fan of the audience having a

00:35:21   particular name I put on record before

00:35:23   like I don't really necessarily like the

00:35:25   ideas of Internet communities and and

00:35:27   the names like this is a thing that I

00:35:29   once tried to do in my youtube channel

00:35:31   and then immediately regret it and never

00:35:32   referenced again and so there's a period

00:35:35   of time and the

00:35:36   show where I was really trying to talk

00:35:38   around the concept of Tim's or not

00:35:41   encouraged this at all hmm but it became

00:35:43   so clear that this is a thing that the

00:35:45   community was just embracing and loving

00:35:47   it eventually completely changed my mind

00:35:50   on it because like this is so clearly

00:35:51   something that everybody loves and it's

00:35:54   fun like I'm just I'm changing my mind

00:35:56   on this and I'm going along with it but

00:35:58   it's like it is really a thing that took

00:36:00   off on its own especially at the

00:36:02   beginning zero encouragement on my part

00:36:04   the community did pick this for

00:36:06   themselves I agree

00:36:08   Bassam congratulations to periodic

00:36:12   videos for reaching 1 million what are

00:36:14   you gonna do with yet another golden

00:36:16   play button that's a good question

00:36:19   where is it going I mean my thinking was

00:36:21   I was always going to give it to the

00:36:23   chemistry department at the University

00:36:25   of Nottingham but I can't like the idea

00:36:27   of having one cuz I haven't got my

00:36:28   number fire one you don't have any of

00:36:31   the gold ones in your house this is only

00:36:33   my second go I've got a boatload of

00:36:35   silver I don't have a boatload of

00:36:37   Silver's but in my head I still feel

00:36:39   like you have if not a boatload a bucket

00:36:41   load of gold play buttons this is I need

00:36:43   a second computer file should get one

00:36:46   same okay so yeah you're you quickly are

00:36:48   approaching a bucket load of gold play

00:36:50   buttons and I wouldn't say that but

00:36:52   anyway I don't know I'll see what

00:36:54   happens I'll see what happens

00:36:55   did I tell you about my trade sixty

00:36:58   symbols one like a medal from the

00:37:00   Institute of Physics and it was a really

00:37:02   cool medal and like we want it as a

00:37:04   group and after the midnight when we got

00:37:07   given the medal it was just taken home

00:37:08   by someone at the University and I don't

00:37:12   know I just

00:37:13   I'd never won anything for physics and I

00:37:14   really liked the medal and I quite liked

00:37:16   the idea of having it in my office

00:37:17   mm-hmm but you know I didn't have any

00:37:20   more right to say I should have in my

00:37:21   office than they did but what I did have

00:37:24   was the sixty symbols silver button

00:37:26   mm-hmm so I was able to go into the

00:37:28   University a few weeks later with the

00:37:30   silver button and like try and come up

00:37:32   with a trade and it was really like

00:37:34   those complicated baseball trades where

00:37:35   you trade two players and an amount of

00:37:37   money and all this sort of stuff like we

00:37:38   were coming up with the trade like you

00:37:40   can have the silver button and I'll have

00:37:42   the medal but you can have the

00:37:43   certificate that came with the medal if

00:37:45   we were coming up with this whole

00:37:46   elaborate deal over who got what just

00:37:48   one of this metal right you're trying to

00:37:50   Moneyball your way to the getting this

00:37:52   metal in your in your office that's

00:37:53   what's happening but it was a rude like

00:37:55   it was a real negotiation and the

00:37:56   professor I was negotiating with said oh

00:37:58   I don't think I can make this decision

00:38:00   on my own and called in like another

00:38:02   professor and like there was like this

00:38:04   big conversation it was quite fun

00:38:05   actually did did you get it in the end

00:38:07   this is in your office right now I did

00:38:09   get the middle like like it's still

00:38:10   joint custody like everything is but I'm

00:38:13   the one who gets to look at it and I

00:38:14   don't look at it quite like it it's a

00:38:16   nice medal it's that Kelvin medal

00:38:18   I'll right right of course yeah that's

00:38:20   right that's right all the medals in

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00:40:38   podcast so you're back from Australia

00:40:42   Brady just a couple days ago right you I

00:40:44   am just recently back yes I won't win

00:40:47   over for various reasons to do with work

00:40:49   and to do with family and friends mm-hmm

00:40:52   but the main reason and the main thing I

00:40:54   was going over for the main impetus was

00:40:56   because I wanted to watch the Ashes Test

00:40:58   match between Australia and England at

00:41:00   the Adelaide Oval which I was very

00:41:03   excited about question I'm going to do

00:41:05   this right from the start only one

00:41:06   question yeah I know the ashes the ashes

00:41:10   of the burnt up wicked yeah that the two

00:41:13   countries trade back and forth that the

00:41:15   yep whoever wins they hold on to the

00:41:17   ashes there's a small little urn with

00:41:19   the ashes of a piece of cricket

00:41:20   equipment from back in the day yes

00:41:23   that's correct

00:41:23   right when you say Test match though

00:41:26   that makes it sound like it's not the

00:41:30   actual matches for the ashes it's a

00:41:33   preparation for the ashes no that's not

00:41:37   what it means

00:41:37   okay what is like the Test match just

00:41:39   through me that sounds like it's a test

00:41:42   yeah in my head reads it like the

00:41:44   semi-finals for the ashes like I'm just

00:41:46   a bit confused by what that word by but

00:41:48   I think test in this context you should

00:41:50   think of as a test of your skill okay a

00:41:54   test of how good you are there are

00:41:55   different forms of cricket that can be

00:41:58   played that have different durations and

00:42:00   have slightly different roles but the

00:42:02   pinnacle of the game the ultimate form

00:42:04   of cricket is considered this five day

00:42:07   game which is called a test match okay

00:42:09   and a contest for the ashes they play

00:42:12   five consecutive Test matches in two

00:42:15   in cities and whoever wins the most of

00:42:18   those test matches will be the winner

00:42:20   so as we speak now which will be out of

00:42:23   date by the time this is published the

00:42:24   first two test matches were won by

00:42:27   Australia as Australia is leading the

00:42:29   series to nil if they win the third one

00:42:31   does it just stop because they get three

00:42:33   out of five no they will have won the

00:42:35   series but they will continue playing

00:42:37   the other two Test matches Test matches

00:42:39   are so important and significant that

00:42:43   the fact that they're kind of dead

00:42:45   rubbers doesn't mean you wouldn't play

00:42:46   them there's still a lot of kudos and a

00:42:48   lot of interest it's not like baseball

00:42:50   like at the World Series where they'll

00:42:51   just not play the other games a Test

00:42:53   match is a big deal but what can

00:42:55   possibly be the big deal in a game when

00:42:57   we already know who's going to get the

00:42:58   ashes I don't understand like what

00:43:00   happens winning a Test match is still a

00:43:02   very prestigious thing and it's also

00:43:04   very important to the players it is less

00:43:06   interesting I'll give you that there is

00:43:08   less stake there are literally no ashes

00:43:11   at stake the ashes will no longer be at

00:43:13   stake if series has already been decided

00:43:15   this is true but there is a big

00:43:17   difference between like you know winning

00:43:19   a series five kneel or three to like a

00:43:21   five kneel whitewash is very rare and

00:43:24   something that people have a lot of

00:43:26   interest in players still have to

00:43:27   aggregate their stats their batting

00:43:29   averages or whatever this is also a very

00:43:32   important thing in cricket and if you

00:43:33   watch the second most recent numberphile

00:43:36   video that I made over in Australia it

00:43:38   is all about a really interesting story

00:43:40   to do with cricket averages and

00:43:42   statistics in fact I would like you to

00:43:44   watch that video it was the first

00:43:45   cricket video I have ever made and it's

00:43:47   supposed to I hope be kind of

00:43:50   understandable in some way to a non

00:43:53   cricket fan so they can come away from

00:43:54   it and think okay I get why that's a big

00:43:57   duty even though I don't understand your

00:43:59   silly sport you want me to be your test

00:44:01   subject for the person who knows nothing

00:44:02   about cricket oh I mean it's too late

00:44:04   for that I've won you released it but I

00:44:06   would like you to watch it I'd be

00:44:07   curious to hear what you think of it but

00:44:09   I feel like I know a lot about cricket I

00:44:10   know about the ashes yeah I know about

00:44:14   the running back and forth no nothing I

00:44:23   know what it looks like on TV oh god

00:44:25   I've got nothing I can't even fake it so

00:44:28   sorry

00:44:29   another thing I would dearly love to

00:44:31   talk about with you but I can't because

00:44:33   you just have so little knowledge and

00:44:35   little interest is the new Adelaide Oval

00:44:37   it's a such a big deal in Adelaide

00:44:40   because Adelaide was famous for having

00:44:41   this really old-fashioned cricket ground

00:44:43   because this is like a new stadium is

00:44:45   that what you're talking about

00:44:46   basically they've replaced this

00:44:47   old-fashioned quaint ground that was

00:44:50   famous the world over for its beauty and

00:44:51   looking like us from another time right

00:44:54   with this new super space-age modern

00:44:56   stadium right forgettable it sounds like

00:44:58   well it's been very good for Adelaide

00:45:01   and Adelaide people love it and they

00:45:03   love talking about it and all they want

00:45:06   to talk about is how much do you love

00:45:07   Adelaide Oval so and they kept asking me

00:45:09   Oh Brady this is your first time at

00:45:11   Adelaide over what do you think of it

00:45:12   isn't it magnificent and you can imagine

00:45:14   me being you know a bit of a

00:45:16   traditionalist I quite like the old one

00:45:18   and I'm sad it's gone cuz I don't

00:45:20   benefit week on week from having this

00:45:22   great stadium I just feel sad about the

00:45:24   lovely old one that's gone whereas the

00:45:26   people who live in Adelaide really

00:45:27   benefit from having such a magnificent

00:45:29   Stadium so they liked it it was a big

00:45:31   talking point throughout my whole

00:45:32   holiday did the old one look good on TV

00:45:35   that could you tell it was the Adelaide

00:45:37   Oval yes the old one was really

00:45:39   distinctive and it was like a place

00:45:41   people dreamed of going to watch cricket

00:45:43   one day like every cricket fan in the

00:45:45   world would say I would love to go to

00:45:47   the Adelaide over one day and watch a

00:45:49   game of cricket and now it is like lots

00:45:54   of other really good modern stadiums

00:45:55   yeah it just looks like a modern stadium

00:45:58   like it don't look like anything in

00:45:59   particular you can't say that to

00:46:00   Adelaide people that they will have a

00:46:02   series of comebacks to that ok I'm

00:46:04   talking to you and leave people yeah

00:46:05   right now your oval looks like a totally

00:46:08   forgettable Stadium there you go yeah

00:46:10   enjoy that I'm gonna hit lots of things

00:46:11   about scoreboards and churches now but

00:46:13   anyway oh boy I can't wait can't wait to

00:46:15   set up a new mute filter on Twitter if

00:46:19   you google old Adelaide Oval if you look

00:46:21   carefully you might notice a certain

00:46:23   building in the background as well oh

00:46:24   yes yeah that's like I can see a certain

00:46:27   building in the background of that photo

00:46:29   we'll come to that in a minute though

00:46:30   okay I didn't imagine that you took a

00:46:32   trip to Australia and we're not going to

00:46:34   hear about a certain building but we'll

00:46:36   get to that in a second in that 2006

00:46:38   picture you just sent me that white part

00:46:40   on the right is new and the part on the

00:46:42   left is that all

00:46:43   yeah okay I asked about it looking does

00:46:45   it look distinctive on TV because I

00:46:47   think that's the trade-off here right is

00:46:50   yeah a thing that looks distinctive on

00:46:54   television is actually like a real

00:46:57   advantage to any place and like this one

00:47:02   those things it's hard to pin down what

00:47:03   exactly is the value of that but having

00:47:06   something that is iconic is valuable to

00:47:08   all of the people who don't live in the

00:47:10   place yeah but the problem is what

00:47:12   they've created now even I have to

00:47:14   concede is such a great amenity for the

00:47:17   people of Adelaide it's right next to

00:47:18   the city centre it now holds you know

00:47:21   three times more people it's really

00:47:23   modern and easy to use because it's so

00:47:25   big they can now play Australian

00:47:27   football in the stadium which they

00:47:28   couldn't before

00:47:29   which Adelaide people love so now you

00:47:32   can play Australian football right near

00:47:34   the city centre instead of out in a

00:47:35   distant location so it's brilliant for

00:47:38   the people of Adelaide it was the right

00:47:40   decision good on you for having such a

00:47:42   good useful Stadium they've preserved

00:47:45   some aspects of what was special about

00:47:46   that oval before not as many as I'd like

00:47:48   people think mm-hmm they no longer have

00:47:50   that thing that you'll see on TV though

00:47:52   and your heart will ache and you'll say

00:47:54   I need to go to that place one day it's

00:47:56   no longer really distinctive and I'm sad

00:48:00   to lose that but hey I'm just some guy

00:48:02   who lives in England who maybe goes

00:48:04   there once every few years I'm more on

00:48:06   your side than you might expect with

00:48:07   this because they think that this is a

00:48:09   kind of shaming of the world it's like

00:48:12   oh yeah of course like the new one is

00:48:14   much better it's better because it's

00:48:17   removed a bunch of distinct features and

00:48:19   it's gone for the features that are the

00:48:21   things that would in any city make a

00:48:23   stadium better and those number of

00:48:26   things are not infinite in all

00:48:28   directions there's a subset of things

00:48:30   that it's always going to make sense

00:48:31   like oh here's what you would want for a

00:48:33   perfect stadium in a city that all of

00:48:35   the locals would agree is a perfect

00:48:38   stadium and that goes for just about

00:48:39   anything but I do think there is some

00:48:42   intangible loss by not having something

00:48:46   that is iconic for a particular location

00:48:49   but it doesn't change the fact that were

00:48:51   I to live in Adelaide and were I to love

00:48:53   cricket I too would almost certainly be

00:48:55   wanting a much better Stadium

00:48:57   me to actually go to every time I want

00:48:59   to trick it anyway I did meet a few

00:49:01   Tim's at the Adelaide Oval two of whom

00:49:03   were wearing hello Internet hoodies this

00:49:06   was quite nice so the new hello Internet

00:49:08   hoodies are making their way out into

00:49:09   the world they are they are they've made

00:49:10   it all the way to Adelaide met a few

00:49:12   people at the game which was nice did a

00:49:14   few selfies got me a lot of street

00:49:16   credibility with my friends I was at the

00:49:18   cricket with when people were coming up

00:49:19   and having a photo taken oh wow we

00:49:23   didn't realize it was such a big deal

00:49:24   that's fantastic I didn't think about

00:49:28   that but you feel like you're going back

00:49:30   home and your big man on campus you're

00:49:32   like oh yeah everybody loves me I was

00:49:37   always with a big group of like 10 guys

00:49:39   and I didn't know many of them and I was

00:49:42   just some dude so we were just sitting

00:49:43   watching the cricket and stuff so then

00:49:45   when people came up and said hello and

00:49:46   we're having pictures with Ray suddenly

00:49:48   like looked at me in a new way they were

00:49:50   like what do you do man actually do

00:49:52   that's when it gets complicated and

00:49:55   what's a Tim oh here we go again

00:49:58   do you run through the whole story in

00:50:00   that scenario I'm endlessly fascinated

00:50:02   by this do you

00:50:03   I don't now I just brush it off as

00:50:05   quickly as possible so another

00:50:08   interesting thing that happened around

00:50:10   the cricket though was there's a lot a

00:50:11   lot of English people go because English

00:50:13   cricket fans are big travellers so

00:50:14   wherever England are playing cricket you

00:50:16   will find lots of English fans so I was

00:50:19   out and about in town a few times and at

00:50:20   restaurants and cafes and things like

00:50:22   that when the cricket wasn't on mm-hmm

00:50:24   and a few times I was talking to people

00:50:26   and they would say you know what's going

00:50:28   on and that and I'd say ah I've come for

00:50:30   the cricket I'm enjoying the cricket and

00:50:32   because like England were not doing well

00:50:34   at certain stages they would say to me

00:50:36   oh don't worry I think things will get

00:50:37   better for you guys maybe later

00:50:39   and I realized everyone I spoke to

00:50:41   thought I was English and all my friends

00:50:43   were saying yeah you sound really

00:50:44   English now I'm not I'm not here for

00:50:46   Australia they're like ah we all thought

00:50:49   you were in England fan who sound really

00:50:51   English well I mean before I say

00:50:53   anything how do you feel about that

00:50:54   Brady because I think this is a

00:50:56   complicated question for you I just

00:50:58   don't think I sound English I'm not like

00:51:00   upset by it if it happens it happens or

00:51:02   if it's happened it's happened mm-hmm

00:51:03   and it doesn't change my heart if you

00:51:05   cut me I still bleed green and gold

00:51:08   Australia right but

00:51:10   it does surprise me because over here

00:51:12   people will say ah I thought you might

00:51:15   be from Australia when they talk to me

00:51:17   so over here I stay on strands I'm

00:51:19   obviously just in some middle ground

00:51:20   obviously and you know some hybrid is

00:51:22   your edge well trained enough to talk to

00:51:24   me and think I sound like an Englishman

00:51:26   or an Aussie I'll put it this way you

00:51:32   have a very Brady accent you sound to me

00:51:35   like a Brady you don't need to tread

00:51:38   carefully here there's no no it's not

00:51:39   that I'm trying to tread carefully it's

00:51:41   just I think it's an interesting thing

00:51:42   because one thing that I notice is if

00:51:46   I'm talking to people who listen to the

00:51:48   show like let's say that they're not

00:51:49   careful listeners hmm overwhelmingly

00:51:51   people think that you are British okay I

00:51:54   would say almost exclusively if they

00:51:56   don't know particular facts about you

00:51:57   they just assume that you are British

00:51:58   and I think that your accents the

00:52:02   Australian assent has been greatly

00:52:06   softened by your time over here I'm not

00:52:11   surprised that what happens is when you

00:52:13   go back to Australia people think that

00:52:16   you are English like when I used to

00:52:18   teach English kids all day I had this

00:52:21   this same effect when I went to America

00:52:23   and I went to places where people didn't

00:52:25   know me there is no way an English

00:52:28   person would confuse me for being an

00:52:30   English person but an American person

00:52:32   was just hearing something that's

00:52:34   different and so then assuming

00:52:36   foreignness and I think that's what's

00:52:38   happening to you it's it's not like you

00:52:39   sound like the Queen but they're hearing

00:52:42   something that's different so they're

00:52:45   assuming that you're not Australian and

00:52:48   then the closest thing that you map onto

00:52:50   is sounding English I think that would

00:52:53   happen yeah I mean I have no doubt

00:52:55   certain little things have changed but I

00:52:57   would have thought not enough that an

00:52:59   Australian would say oh look here's an

00:53:01   English guy but I I hear what you're

00:53:02   saying it makes sense when you describe

00:53:04   it that way there's a slight little

00:53:05   things that are throwing them and

00:53:06   therefore they just saying must be a pom

00:53:08   that must just be some English accent

00:53:10   I've ever heard before you know this is

00:53:12   the North East of England

00:53:13   I just think humans are extraordinarily

00:53:16   sensitive to in-group markers and so I

00:53:20   think that's what's happening like you

00:53:21   just say some things a little bit

00:53:23   and that it immediately marks you as

00:53:26   like out-group member so where is the

00:53:28   place that this person is from I think

00:53:30   that's all that's happening there okay

00:53:31   so one of the things I did while I was

00:53:33   over there was I took one of my bags of

00:53:36   hello internet hot Stoppers and I found

00:53:41   my way to that mighty building the

00:53:43   Greenville Center the mighty black stump

00:53:46   and I walked in and in like the lobby

00:53:49   atrium there's a cafe which is recently

00:53:53   under new management I learned and the

00:53:55   new manager has changed the name of the

00:53:57   cafe to black stump espresso which I

00:54:03   think also is is vindication for anyone

00:54:06   who says no one ever calls that building

00:54:08   the black stump because sometimes I hear

00:54:10   that like people say oh I spoke to my

00:54:12   friend from Adelaide they've never heard

00:54:13   of the black stump or it's not called

00:54:14   the black stump so vindication I say you

00:54:17   know what's gonna happen Brady though is

00:54:18   that people are going to start saying I

00:54:20   think you're just confusing it with the

00:54:21   coffee place that's inside that building

00:54:25   anyway I went up to the owner it was

00:54:27   just before opening time and I said look

00:54:29   and know this is gonna sound a bit weird

00:54:31   but I told him my story and I said would

00:54:35   he be willing to stock at no charge to

00:54:37   him hello internet hot Stoppers and be

00:54:40   the sole stockist of hello internet hot

00:54:44   stoppers because I first of all I said

00:54:45   or can I see your coffee cups and a

00:54:47   plastic lid she put on I check that I

00:54:49   fit and everything and they did and I

00:54:51   said here you go do you want to do it

00:54:53   and he was like all right so I said you

00:54:56   don't have to leave them out you can

00:54:57   just have them hidden behind the counter

00:54:59   but if any socially awkward nerdy person

00:55:01   ever comes up and says hi do you have

00:55:04   any hot stoppers

00:55:07   I love the whole premise of this right

00:55:09   because it's not I'll leave them out for

00:55:11   promotional purposes it's people will

00:55:14   come and ask for the secret thing it's a

00:55:18   it was brilliant so anyway I was there

00:55:20   he was that he was on board

00:55:22   top guy so if you go to the black stump

00:55:25   espresso cafe at the bottom of the

00:55:28   Grenville Center the mighty black stump

00:55:29   in Adelaide and order a coffee and then

00:55:32   give them a little wink and say can I

00:55:33   have a hello internet hot stopper they

00:55:36   should pour

00:55:37   burnout from a secret drawer behind the

00:55:39   counter and give you one in your drink

00:55:41   so anyway while I was there I decided to

00:55:44   tweet I said I'm at the Marty black

00:55:46   stamp I've got hot Stoppers hmm if you

00:55:49   want to come and say hello and get one

00:55:51   now's your chance I don't even know why

00:55:53   I did it I didn't think I thought maybe

00:55:55   one person might turn up but over the

00:55:58   next one a half-hour or say various

00:56:01   breathless Tim's came bursting into the

00:56:04   lobby thinking they'd miss me

00:56:06   it's and then there's that obvious

00:56:09   awkwardness where no one really quite

00:56:10   knows what to say right but I said to

00:56:12   them if you want I'd already lost my hot

00:56:14   stop as I'd given them to the guy so I

00:56:16   said if you actually want a hot stopper

00:56:17   you've got to go and buy a drink mm-hmm

00:56:19   but they did and we ended up sitting

00:56:21   around there was like a nice little

00:56:22   there's a few sofas and a table and I

00:56:24   ended up sitting hanging out with a

00:56:25   bunch of Tim's while we sipped our hot

00:56:28   drinks all using our own hello internet

00:56:30   hot stoppers the funny thing was there

00:56:33   were old Tim's but over half of them

00:56:35   were named Matt go figure

00:56:37   there was just a lot of Matt's but

00:56:40   they're old Tim's as well you're so good

00:56:41   to the fans brady you're so good to them

00:56:43   it was good fun it was fun they don't

00:56:46   like come rushing in from wherever they

00:56:48   were like you know some of them were

00:56:50   just next door so they were out to go

00:56:51   and say hello the other one said like

00:56:53   you know been on a bus and then run

00:56:54   through town to get there it was really

00:56:57   nice this is like you created a little

00:57:00   hello Internet flash mob is what you did

00:57:02   I did I think the guy running the cafe

00:57:04   when I gave him the things thought maybe

00:57:06   I was like some kind of fantasy store

00:57:08   something and he was just humoring me so

00:57:10   when all these people gathered he was

00:57:11   humoring you right it was one funny

00:57:13   incident they the next day because I

00:57:15   tweeted this and you can see pictures

00:57:16   and I tweeted that you could get these

00:57:18   hot Stoppers now and so over the next

00:57:20   day or two people started arriving and

00:57:23   getting their hot Stoppers and obviously

00:57:26   what happened was the guy behind the

00:57:28   counter like as a joke gave a hot

00:57:30   stopper to someone mm-hmm and sort of

00:57:34   wink to them and said are you lucky he

00:57:35   got the last one mm-hmm so that person

00:57:38   then tweeted saying warning everyone

00:57:40   they've run out I just got the last one

00:57:42   and that created like all these people

00:57:43   now I can't believe they're gone and

00:57:45   someone went like an arrow to later and

00:57:47   the guy opened the drawer and gave him

00:57:49   another one so then he was like

00:57:51   richting it and saying it was a folks

00:57:53   alarm everyone they've still got a hot

00:57:54   stuff was they haven't run out and this

00:57:55   Tim confronted the guy and said I just

00:57:58   read on Twitter that you said it was the

00:57:59   last one but you've got a whole drawer

00:58:00   full of them and he was like I was just

00:58:02   joking I don't think he realized the

00:58:05   power he's reading you don't understand

00:58:06   the forces you're messing with here

00:58:08   buddy don't joke about running out of

00:58:10   hot stuffers say last I heard they still

00:58:13   have some say don't believe any fake

00:58:15   news about hot stoppers that you may see

00:58:16   on the Internet like go yourself and

00:58:18   find out you can't trust anything you

00:58:20   read on the Internet and I love that I

00:58:22   love that I don't think I could convince

00:58:24   a coffee shop to take hot Stoppers from

00:58:27   me I don't think I'm that charming I

00:58:29   thought I don't think I would have the

00:58:30   social skills to pull that off I think I

00:58:33   was helped by the fact it's quite a

00:58:34   small operation like I warmed in the

00:58:36   Starbucks but the fact it was just a

00:58:39   couple of guys one of the guys that was

00:58:41   the owner and they haven't been in

00:58:42   business very long and I think maybe I

00:58:45   made it sound like they would get extra

00:58:46   business as a result of it mmm

00:58:50   you know he was just like whatever

00:58:51   it's no no skin off my nose they don't

00:58:53   have their own hot stoppers so right

00:58:55   you're providing a service we did

00:58:58   exchange details I said if you ever run

00:58:59   out give me a call I was gonna say every

00:59:01   time you fly to Adelaide you need to

00:59:02   bring boxes of hot stoppers with you it

00:59:04   might get a bit that way but anyway part

00:59:07   of me thinks I should expand this and

00:59:09   find out who else wants to stock them

00:59:11   but pardon me likes the idea there's

00:59:12   just one place in the world you can do

00:59:14   it and it's the foot of the Marty black

00:59:16   stamp there's something magical about

00:59:18   that

00:59:18   there is something magical about that

00:59:19   there's also at least for the first time

00:59:21   there's something magical about you

00:59:24   having delivered them in person yeah

00:59:26   like we were discussing previously

00:59:28   there's these hot Stoppers I just feel

00:59:30   like they are hot Stoppers of whimsy and

00:59:31   this is whimsical I mean 100%

00:59:34   improvement of this like this is really

00:59:36   great I have started sending them out to

00:59:40   a few random patrons as well and I'm

00:59:43   just gonna do that occasionally when it

00:59:44   pops into my head so if you are up like

00:59:46   a patreon person and you've supplied the

00:59:48   address then one day you may just get a

00:59:50   hot stopper unexpectedly but it's not

00:59:52   going to be like there's not lots of

00:59:53   them it's just a it is as gray like to

00:59:56   say there are hot Stoppers of whimsy and

00:59:58   that again will also be just a whims

00:59:58   that again will also be just a whims

01:00:00   the cool thing that occasionally happens

01:00:02   one of these days I might have to travel

01:00:04   to Adelaide and get a coffee there with

01:00:08   it I tell you what that's tougher I do

01:00:10   think I do think we need to start a

01:00:12   campaign for the South Australian

01:00:14   Tourism Commission to fly you and I out

01:00:17   for a hello Internet

01:00:18   South Australian tour oh yeah because

01:00:21   the Thule clearly I'm not gonna get you

01:00:23   to fly to Australia unless like you know

01:00:26   it's a really nice trip so I think the

01:00:28   South Australian Tourism Commission has

01:00:30   to pick up the slack here imagine that

01:00:32   we could do a podcast from the Adelaide

01:00:34   Oval from the black stamp right I'll

01:00:36   take you out into the outback take you

01:00:38   to a cricket match take you to Glenelg

01:00:40   glitter do all the wine areas up in the

01:00:43   Adelaide Hills oh I'll show you all the

01:00:45   places where I went to school this is

01:00:52   turning really bad that's like on me

01:00:54   maybe he's mildly interesting but then

01:00:55   if it turns into like a trip down Brady

01:00:57   memory lane right everywhere we went

01:01:00   see that road there I once I once bought

01:01:03   a hamburger it would be like an in

01:01:06   person photograph album here's all of

01:01:10   the pictures of me when I was a kid no

01:01:11   no it would take a lot of willpower for

01:01:15   me not to bore you but when you would

01:01:19   also see some cool stuff right and you

01:01:21   get to see the black stump in real life

01:01:22   and it it's pretty impressive right

01:01:24   well I can't believe I forgot to tell

01:01:27   you the most important thing oh my god

01:01:28   what is it what is it so it turns out a

01:01:32   friend of mine works in the tallest

01:01:36   building in Adelaide the Westpac

01:01:37   building and her office floor has a

01:01:41   magnificent view of the mighty black

01:01:45   stamp and the rival building the Telstra

01:01:49   building and this view from the office a

01:01:52   few hundred meters away pretty much puts

01:01:55   you at the same level of the two of them

01:01:57   mm-hmm I'm gonna send you a picture I

01:01:59   took a photo at the window of the mighty

01:02:02   black stump and this rival building that

01:02:05   you know I don't like right so this is

01:02:09   the best picture I've seen yet of the

01:02:13   muddy black stump

01:02:14   and the Telstra Building okay so we're

01:02:15   looking at the mighty black stump and

01:02:17   this Telstra house which is technically

01:02:19   taller

01:02:19   according to the internet by like one

01:02:23   meter clearly the mighty black stump is

01:02:25   a bigger building even if you find

01:02:28   technical reasons for aerial aside

01:02:31   obviously if you include the area with

01:02:32   the mighty black stump way bigger there

01:02:34   is like this plant area on top of both

01:02:36   which the black stump seems to have a

01:02:38   bigger one really I think you know you

01:02:43   know I'm really amazed at you as a

01:02:45   podcasting co-host I really do I love

01:02:47   your enthusiasm for very many things

01:02:50   mm-hmm I think this photograph is not as

01:02:53   much of a slam-dunk as you think it is I

01:02:55   can see where the argument comes from

01:02:57   with that top brow of the Telstra

01:02:59   building I'm not even talking about like

01:03:00   the top brow i matter many of this is

01:03:02   just this is a picture of two buildings

01:03:04   from like an unclear angle I can't just

01:03:08   give it to you is like this is amazing

01:03:10   proof that the mighty black stump is

01:03:13   bigger like pictures from unknown angles

01:03:16   are how they pulled off all of the scale

01:03:18   tricks in the Lord of the Rings I said

01:03:20   like I don't know where this photograph

01:03:21   is taken from I can't take this as proof

01:03:24   that you you seem so certain that it is

01:03:26   so I'm not saying it's conclusive but I

01:03:28   think it helps me it certainly looks in

01:03:31   your favor in the photo I will give you

01:03:33   that I will grant you that you'll have

01:03:34   to take my word from it but those two

01:03:35   buildings are pretty much the same

01:03:37   distance away from me there now I'm

01:03:39   wondering I still feel like I want I

01:03:42   want some Tim to arrange like a laser

01:03:44   reading from space on these two

01:03:46   buildings the funny thing is that photo

01:03:51   is taken from an architect's office like

01:03:54   I knocked on the door and said do you

01:03:56   mind if I come in and take a picture at

01:03:57   your window because I'm really

01:03:59   interested most two buildings over there

01:04:01   and they were like yeah okay they had

01:04:03   all like blueprints that which was

01:04:05   really cool so they look at these two

01:04:06   buildings every day and I said I'm

01:04:08   really interested in the Grenville

01:04:09   Center I didn't call it the mighty black

01:04:10   stump because I thought it might confuse

01:04:12   them right I said I'm really interested

01:04:13   in the Grenville Center and they said

01:04:15   which ones there and I'm like what do

01:04:18   you mean which ones there the black

01:04:20   building there and they go ah yeah that

01:04:22   black building we just always call that

01:04:23   black building over there and they

01:04:25   didn't even know anything about it

01:04:27   didn't know it was called the mighty

01:04:28   black stamp they and I like your

01:04:30   architects it's appalling it's appalling

01:04:32   that other people don't know what you

01:04:34   know absolutely appalling they're

01:04:36   architects in Adelaide with a window

01:04:38   that looks out over those buildings

01:04:40   you'd think they'd know like Adelaide

01:04:42   buildings if once again evidence

01:04:44   actually lining up in favor of the

01:04:46   building not being nearly as historic or

01:04:47   as impressive as you think it is but

01:04:49   sure yeah keep going keep going

01:04:53   I've never denied that my affection for

01:04:57   the muddy black stump is borne of like

01:04:58   my era but still what's the tallest

01:05:01   build you'd think architects would know

01:05:03   the four or five tallest buildings in

01:05:05   town I am never one to over assume how

01:05:08   much people know about anything as long

01:05:10   as they know how to architect the

01:05:11   buildings they're architecting I'm happy

01:05:13   with that

01:05:14   how good is that picture I took though

01:05:15   isn't that a magnificent picture it is a

01:05:17   very magnificent picture Brady I do have

01:05:19   to say that the mighty black stump looks

01:05:21   pretty great it looks like a like a

01:05:22   building black hole on the skyline there

01:05:24   it is it's really those looks like it's

01:05:27   painted a vente black in that one

01:05:28   one day I'll go maybe intentionally on

01:05:31   my own tweet the South Australian

01:05:34   tourist Commission if you want to

01:05:35   organize a hello Internet trip we do a

01:05:38   live show and everything go imagine that

01:05:40   mmm maybe we could do a live shot the

01:05:42   Adelaide Oval there hold 60,000 people

01:05:45   so it should hold those seven or eight

01:05:47   teams yeah

01:05:50   Brady once again underestimate the hello

01:05:51   Internet audience but I met the six or

01:05:54   seven that turned up to the Blackstone

01:05:55   yeah they're the ones who I think we can

01:05:57   bank on turning up yeah we can bank on

01:06:00   that what I think you definitely cannot

01:06:02   Bank on is a live hello Internet being

01:06:06   remotely interesting to watch especially

01:06:10   especially I like this in my mind's eye

01:06:13   the setting is the Adelaide Oval is of

01:06:16   course packed to the brim yeah and you

01:06:19   and I are just sitting at a little table

01:06:21   in the centre with two microphones in

01:06:24   front of us it would look just like a

01:06:25   Test match that have the Mexican way of

01:06:28   going and all sorts they get well into

01:06:32   it I'd make sure it was a spectacle

01:06:36   there you go pray you start making

01:06:38   promises so gray while I was back in

01:06:44   Australia I caught up with lots of my

01:06:45   friends mmm lots of them

01:06:48   have children so it's always a chance

01:06:50   for me to sort of dip into the world of

01:06:52   parenting and things like that and find

01:06:54   out latest trends what it's like to be a

01:06:56   parent mmm my friends children are

01:06:59   getting like that little bit older mmm

01:07:01   and I have to say I mean I probably

01:07:03   sound really stupid to people who like

01:07:05   have kids in there but in the last sort

01:07:08   of three or four years I didn't realize

01:07:10   how much parenting has changed and how

01:07:13   much of an issue smartphones and

01:07:17   technology and connectivity is like it

01:07:20   is escalated to a point that I didn't

01:07:24   expect and I'll give you like a cute

01:07:26   example and then I'll give you like a

01:07:28   more extreme example that struck with me

01:07:31   just before you do I just want to say

01:07:32   like I'm genuinely curious to hear about

01:07:35   this because I have my little

01:07:37   conversational go twos but one of mine

01:07:39   when talking to parents is I find this

01:07:42   endlessly interesting to ask parents how

01:07:45   did they manage the digital lives of

01:07:48   their children yeah like I think that

01:07:49   this is such an issue in the modern

01:07:53   world and this is not about screen time

01:07:54   screen time was a problem when when you

01:07:56   and I were kids you know too much time

01:07:58   on the TV or videos or computers or the

01:08:00   the Atari just is not about screen time

01:08:02   yeah this is about connectivity my

01:08:05   parents had to simply worry that I was

01:08:06   sinking a hundred and forty hours a week

01:08:08   into Total Annihilation

01:08:10   right that's like that was that was

01:08:11   their concern okay you turned that fan

01:08:14   fantastic exactly exactly so fun example

01:08:18   first was the issue of Santa Claus the

01:08:22   much-loved and legendary character who I

01:08:25   won't go into too much detail about

01:08:27   because I'm now very aware that my

01:08:29   nephew listens to hello Internet and

01:08:30   he's six years old but also like were

01:08:32   you just about to explain who Santa

01:08:34   Claus this to the audience like like

01:08:36   that I think we can assume listeners now

01:08:38   know but there are certain aspects of

01:08:40   listeners know about Santa to whatever

01:08:43   level they know all right well anyway I

01:08:45   was talking to one of my friends about

01:08:48   Deeks

01:08:49   to which his daughter knew about Santa

01:08:51   Claus right because she was at an age

01:08:52   where you know I think she would still

01:08:55   be enjoying Santa Claus to his fullest

01:08:58   legendary Ness right of course

01:09:00   and I said oh yeah like you know what

01:09:04   does she know how you're playing that

01:09:05   game and he said oh she googled it she

01:09:10   was having doubts and she just googled

01:09:11   it so she found out about the working

01:09:14   conditions for the elves that's a real

01:09:16   thing all the facts all the santa facts

01:09:18   that need to be known and like you know

01:09:21   we found out about it through like you

01:09:23   know stories in the schoolyard now it's

01:09:25   just hmm what is the case here three or

01:09:29   four taps of a keyboard okay there you

01:09:32   go

01:09:32   but do you know what I then did I

01:09:34   googled it yeah I am googling Santa

01:09:37   Claus Google does Santa Claus exists and

01:09:42   when you do that it's really hard to

01:09:45   come to any conclusive answer if I was a

01:09:49   little kid and I good with that I think

01:09:51   I would be more confused than I was to

01:09:52   start with I think you could read the

01:09:54   Wikipedia article about Santa Claus and

01:09:56   come away with no definitive answer on

01:09:58   the existence question at least when I

01:10:00   google it the number one result for me

01:10:02   is a link that takes you to an Amazon

01:10:04   page for a book that is called does

01:10:07   Santa exists a philosophical

01:10:09   investigation it's like maybe a little

01:10:13   bit beyond most of the kids who are

01:10:15   probably googling does Santa exist and I

01:10:18   I can see that it's like oh okay

01:10:19   then some kid orders it on their Kindle

01:10:21   and starts reading and finds it a very

01:10:22   confusing subject so at first when my

01:10:25   friend told me you know she googled it

01:10:27   I was thinking all that would have just

01:10:28   ruined it in seconds but now I'm

01:10:30   thinking I'm impressed she actually

01:10:31   arrived at any conclusion after doing

01:10:33   that

01:10:34   yeah but I'm curious I wanted to see the

01:10:38   Wikipedia introductory sentence hmm and

01:10:41   and I like this I like the sentence

01:10:43   Santa Claus also known as Saint Nicholas

01:10:46   st. Nick Kris Kringle father Christmas

01:10:49   or simply Santa is a legendary figure

01:10:54   originating in Western Christian culture

01:10:57   who was said to bring gifts to the homes

01:10:59   of well-behaved or good children on

01:11:01   Christmas Eve or Christmas Day

01:11:03   so I like that a legendary figure that's

01:11:06   good that's good

01:11:06   anyway let's not get too bogged down

01:11:09   with the philosophy and the existence of

01:11:11   Santa Claus because I want to talk about

01:11:14   the more interesting aspect of this and

01:11:16   this was another friend of mine whose

01:11:18   child was a little bit older mm-hmm

01:11:21   but not that old and I was at the pub

01:11:24   with him we're having a drink and his

01:11:26   phone goes off Bing and it's his child

01:11:29   saying dad I've done my homework I've

01:11:31   been really good today hmm can I have my

01:11:34   apps hmm and he was in a good mood and

01:11:37   he was having a drink with his old pal

01:11:39   Brady and he said ah what the heck

01:11:41   texted her back and said because I'm

01:11:43   here with Brady and because you've been

01:11:44   a good girl yes and here I open up this

01:11:46   app on his phone called our pact and

01:11:48   basically what that is is it gives him

01:11:51   total control over his child's apps on

01:11:55   her phone who so he has the whole list

01:11:58   of all the apps what times she can use

01:12:01   it so she can use Facebook between 5:15

01:12:04   and 5:30 like to find fine-grained

01:12:08   details and when the app is not allowed

01:12:10   it just doesn't appear on her phone she

01:12:12   hasn't got it can control everything

01:12:14   about her phone use he can put time

01:12:16   limits on things so she can have like

01:12:18   you know 15 minutes of Instagram a day

01:12:21   and it's up to her how she decides to

01:12:22   use and how to ration it he can then

01:12:24   allow the apps any time he chooses like

01:12:27   he did when he was with me we can shut

01:12:28   them down any time he chooses if he

01:12:30   wants to like if he thinks he needs to

01:12:32   for disciplinary reasons and it was this

01:12:34   incredible amount of control which makes

01:12:36   sense to me you know I'm not it makes

01:12:38   that there's something about it they're

01:12:39   striking me is a little bit black mirror

01:12:41   ish the child's digital world appears

01:12:43   and dissapears at the press of a button

01:12:45   on the other he said that he said

01:12:47   they've just vanished from her screen

01:12:48   it's very sign of the times isn't it

01:12:50   well I think it's kind of necessary but

01:12:52   I was saying oh this is amazing

01:12:54   but then the other amazing thing was

01:12:56   like you know his kids are smart

01:12:58   mm-hmm and they understand technology

01:13:00   and this is not enough there's like a

01:13:02   whole arms war that goes on between you

01:13:06   try to control your children's access to

01:13:08   the Internet and stuff like that and

01:13:10   their desire to get that access Ravin

01:13:12   when they're not supposed to have it and

01:13:14   he was you know telling stories of you

01:13:16   know

01:13:16   borrowing your friends phone or having

01:13:18   different accounts and all these sorts

01:13:20   of things just like normal kids stuff

01:13:21   that you and I would do but if you're a

01:13:23   parent so he has to be really really

01:13:26   across the technology to be able to

01:13:29   police his children's use of the

01:13:31   technology and like all the new

01:13:33   innovations that come about and all the

01:13:35   different things that happen he has to

01:13:36   know on top of all the other things he

01:13:38   has to know in his life hmm and it was

01:13:40   making my head spin all the stuff that

01:13:42   was going on you know I won't go into

01:13:43   all the details but like it was it was

01:13:45   crazy and I was thinking gosh being a

01:13:48   parent now Wow things are so different

01:13:52   yeah it is really different and you know

01:13:55   what he's not worried about what like

01:13:56   kidnappers or people abducting your

01:13:59   children while they're at the park

01:14:00   because they don't want to go out like

01:14:02   they want to stay in and do things

01:14:04   online hmm and when they actually meet

01:14:08   up with people who they're friends with

01:14:10   online like their best Instagram friends

01:14:11   who their messaging non-stop they

01:14:13   completely shut down and they really shy

01:14:15   and don't even want to talk to them like

01:14:16   I don't talk to them person I just want

01:14:18   to be at home talking to everyone on on

01:14:22   social media that last part is the part

01:14:23   that I think is really interesting you

01:14:26   know obviously precursors of this

01:14:27   conversation like you and I are people

01:14:28   with our children we're going to talk

01:14:29   about child raising choice it invites a

01:14:31   lot of comments yeah but even even with

01:14:34   my wife and I like we sometimes have

01:14:35   discussions about like how would we

01:14:36   hypothetically raise a child under

01:14:38   different circumstances because it like

01:14:39   it's an interesting couple conversation

01:14:41   to have and even though like my whole

01:14:44   life is technology I have always been on

01:14:47   on the side of I would severely limit my

01:14:51   child's access to technology for as long

01:14:55   as was practically possible and of

01:14:57   course before all the parents chimed in

01:14:58   like I'm just talking about like how do

01:14:59   things work in an ideal land alright

01:15:02   like yeah I know why it happens but I

01:15:04   find there's something kind of upsetting

01:15:06   about seeing like a very very barely not

01:15:09   baby kid using an iPad there's something

01:15:13   that ii mean just i don't think that's

01:15:16   good

01:15:17   for a little kid like i think a little

01:15:19   kid should be interacting with the world

01:15:21   but that's just like my personal feeling

01:15:23   it's like I would want to hold back the

01:15:25   existence of screens from my child as

01:15:27   long as is possible

01:15:29   and

01:15:30   when you can't hold that back anymore I

01:15:32   would still want to try to limit it as

01:15:34   much as possible it's so interesting to

01:15:36   hear you say that and surprising to me

01:15:37   you seem like the one who is very much

01:15:40   like says hey you know all the world's

01:15:43   moving online that's where we're going

01:15:44   to live our lives now you're a big

01:15:46   advocate of education being taken over

01:15:48   by technology like it seems like you're

01:15:51   just putting off the inevitable

01:15:52   well let's skip this because I want to

01:15:56   get to the second part of this for now

01:15:57   which is what hasn't thrown a wrinkle

01:15:59   into a whole bunch of my previous

01:16:00   thoughts which don't necessarily make a

01:16:01   lot of sense right now but what I think

01:16:04   the real problem for parents is is like

01:16:07   okay so I had this theoretical plan if

01:16:09   I'd want to try to limit screen time for

01:16:10   my kid but what I can see happening with

01:16:13   the people I know who have children who

01:16:15   start approaching middle school age is

01:16:19   that this question is out of your hands

01:16:23   and it's out of your hands largely

01:16:25   because of things like social media and

01:16:26   so if you are the parent who wants to

01:16:30   clamp down on your child's social media

01:16:34   use

01:16:34   you're really forcing your child into

01:16:38   like a weird social pariah role

01:16:40   definitely they're like everything that

01:16:42   is happening socially with these kids is

01:16:44   happening online

01:16:45   and I think that there is a real way in

01:16:48   which the parenting options are

01:16:53   constrained by the decisions that other

01:16:57   parents have made and I think like even

01:16:59   if you wanted to be a parent who was

01:17:01   trying to limit their kids social media

01:17:03   influence I think it's a real you're

01:17:05   damned if you do when you're damned if

01:17:07   you don't it's not an option I sort of

01:17:08   said what about just taking a phone away

01:17:10   altogether or just banning and it's like

01:17:11   that you can't do that you know you may

01:17:14   as well be the kid going to school in a

01:17:16   potato sack and you would just become

01:17:18   ostracized but it would make their life

01:17:21   worse so it's such a difficult situation

01:17:23   yeah it's an interesting thing to see

01:17:26   happen and obviously become much more of

01:17:28   a concern and I get something I'm really

01:17:31   glad that when I was teaching I missed

01:17:33   out on like I left teaching just as this

01:17:35   was becoming a thing right I'm very glad

01:17:37   that like I missed all of that but I

01:17:39   like I have real deep sympathies for

01:17:41   people trying to raise

01:17:43   kids now because just like I have a real

01:17:49   gut feeling that there's something that

01:17:51   might not be good for a baby's brain to

01:17:53   be interacting with an iPad all the time

01:17:55   I really have a suspicion that like I

01:18:00   don't think social media is necessarily

01:18:01   great for lots of adults and I think

01:18:03   it's probably worse for teenagers and

01:18:06   yeah preteens like I think everything

01:18:09   about social media is bad enough if

01:18:12   you're an adult and I really just don't

01:18:16   think people should learn how to

01:18:17   socialize through Facebook like I can

01:18:20   hardly imagine a worse way that young

01:18:23   people should try to learn how to

01:18:24   socialize there's the part of me which

01:18:26   is like okay well having your kid learn

01:18:28   how to socialize through Facebook is bad

01:18:30   I don't think it's a good thing to do

01:18:32   but guess what totally cutting your kid

01:18:35   off from how everybody in their social

01:18:39   group is socializing is also terrible

01:18:43   there is no winning in this scenario

01:18:46   like you have to let your kid

01:18:47   participate in a thing that I don't

01:18:49   think is good because if you don't let

01:18:51   them participate in it like they might

01:18:52   as well be that weird homeschooled kid

01:18:55   who never talks to other children that's

01:18:57   what's happening here it's so surprising

01:18:59   hearing you talk that way like cuz you

01:19:03   know you I guess I sort of have an

01:19:04   impression of you that you're this guy

01:19:05   who's like ah you know in 30 years we're

01:19:09   all just gonna be jacked into the matrix

01:19:10   and a plug in the back of our head and

01:19:12   never talk to another human anyway and

01:19:13   live all virtually and you know you

01:19:16   can't stop progress you know technology

01:19:19   is good hearing you kind of go a little

01:19:21   bit old-school there and say you know we

01:19:23   should all be holding hands and playing

01:19:25   past the parcel well it's nice now you

01:19:30   make me want to take back on my words

01:19:31   and you say that braid but you are right

01:19:34   on those aspects of it you cannot fight

01:19:36   technological change and on the whole I

01:19:39   think technological change is good I

01:19:40   don't change these two opinions here but

01:19:43   I just in particular and people have

01:19:47   heard it you know over the the length of

01:19:48   his podcast like I have become much more

01:19:50   cautious and concerned about certain

01:19:52   parts of the Internet yeah and then when

01:19:55   you start talking about people who are

01:19:57   learning how to interact with people

01:20:00   like I don't think it's good and also

01:20:02   just like to put a pin in it I don't

01:20:03   think the way that the school system of

01:20:05   the existence of social media from the

01:20:06   world like I don't think the way that

01:20:08   schools are organized are good ways for

01:20:09   kids to learn how to interact with other

01:20:11   human beings but adding on this

01:20:14   additional meta layer I think makes it

01:20:17   worse that's why I like it's right there

01:20:20   that I have a concern and what you said

01:20:23   is a thing that I have heard from a

01:20:25   surprising number of people that their

01:20:28   children seem to not want to or have a

01:20:32   hard time interacting with other

01:20:35   children in person or like they prefer

01:20:38   to interact you know in a way that is

01:20:43   through text messages so that the kids

01:20:45   have time to think about how they want

01:20:47   to say things I find that concerning I

01:20:50   just don't know what can be done about

01:20:51   it because I think even for adults that

01:20:53   can be a hard thing and it's something

01:20:55   in my own life I've been aware of like

01:20:58   how much of my relationship maintenance

01:21:01   with other human beings is done through

01:21:03   text messages and I have been finding

01:21:05   myself thinking over the past maybe half

01:21:06   a year or so like are there ways I could

01:21:09   escalate these interactions to voice

01:21:11   because I think voice is higher

01:21:13   bandwidth in some ways over text but of

01:21:15   course not really because the reason

01:21:18   that everybody is interacting with text

01:21:20   is because it is more convenient and it

01:21:22   is more easy to do so and so like you're

01:21:24   trying to move uphill in a way that

01:21:27   people just don't want or like everybody

01:21:30   feels that weird anxiety when like the

01:21:31   phone is ringing and you just assume

01:21:33   that it's some kind of problem or

01:21:34   emergency if it's a person that you

01:21:35   haven't heard from in a while so I don't

01:21:39   know what parents should do I always

01:21:41   find it interesting to ask parents what

01:21:44   are they doing with their kids and their

01:21:45   digital lives at all different stages

01:21:47   because I think it's it's a really hard

01:21:49   situation in a way that it just it just

01:21:53   didn't used to be I also find it

01:21:55   interesting because I think it could

01:21:57   have I don't know if this is gonna be a

01:22:00   little bit overblown but I really do

01:22:02   think like maybe it will have a real

01:22:05   impact on how society operates in the

01:22:08   future if you have a generation of kids

01:22:10   who

01:22:11   grew up with Instagram in school with a

01:22:14   kind of super hyper optimized popularity

01:22:18   competitiveness competition yeah I think

01:22:21   that's one of the bigger problems yeah

01:22:23   there is also the whole that we're not

01:22:25   talking about but you can imagine all

01:22:26   the things that go into it how it's

01:22:28   changing a lot of sex and sexual ization

01:22:32   things like the way that young people

01:22:35   relate to each other and sort of find

01:22:37   their way through that aspect of life

01:22:39   seems to be really at a precipice

01:22:42   they're really amped up like you know

01:22:44   the expectations that people now have of

01:22:46   how relationships work and those sort of

01:22:48   early stages is like it's hard to keep a

01:22:51   lid on that now because of the access to

01:22:53   all the stuff they have and and what

01:22:55   that's doing it's kind of scary you know

01:22:56   it's a loss of control yeah like we've

01:23:01   all had birds-and-the-bees talks and you

01:23:03   know we all know how we sort of found

01:23:05   our way through that aspect of life but

01:23:07   the conversations that I'm hearing about

01:23:10   now that parents are having are more

01:23:12   along the lines of look I know you've

01:23:14   seen this I know you've looked at that

01:23:15   and I know what you think these things

01:23:17   are like that's not what it's like you

01:23:20   need to pull back from what you think

01:23:21   those things are like like I imagine for

01:23:23   you and I as kids a lot of it was you

01:23:25   know you were being told stuff and

01:23:26   finding out stuff and you were like

01:23:28   wide-eyed and going oh gosh I had no

01:23:29   idea and you were kind of learning what

01:23:32   things would lead to now it's kind of

01:23:35   kids are like seeing quite extreme

01:23:38   things yeah they aren't particularly

01:23:39   realistic and parents are having to say

01:23:41   the birds and the bees talk now is not

01:23:43   this is how it works it's more like that

01:23:46   stuff that you've seen that's not how it

01:23:47   works it's more like this yeah I

01:23:50   actually think that that is a like a

01:23:52   subset of of the general problem that

01:23:56   I'm concerned about which is with all

01:23:59   kinds of things the Internet can have a

01:24:02   tendency to push you towards more

01:24:04   extreme versions of things

01:24:05   yeah like the way recommendation

01:24:07   algorithms work you click on a thing and

01:24:09   then the recommendations are different

01:24:12   ways you can take that thing to the more

01:24:14   extreme version and you can just start

01:24:16   going down real rabbit holes that covers

01:24:20   every aspect of a thing that a person

01:24:22   might be interested in right it's like

01:24:23   yeah we can be talking

01:24:24   the birds and the bees or we can be

01:24:26   talking about politics or we can be

01:24:28   arguing about any of the the bazillion

01:24:31   things there can be a flame war about on

01:24:33   the Internet there's like these bias

01:24:36   cliffs that are all around you that you

01:24:39   can find yourself sliding down and

01:24:41   unintentionally and we struggle enough

01:24:44   with as that okay alone like kids so

01:24:46   yeah like that's what I think is is the

01:24:48   real thing that I've become sensitized

01:24:51   to like I think was two years ago like I

01:24:53   took a break from Twitter for a while

01:24:55   and I feel like that was one of the best

01:24:57   things I ever did because it changed

01:24:59   something in my mind about the way I

01:25:00   interact with this stuff but I also feel

01:25:03   like it's it sensitized me to this in a

01:25:06   way and I have this feeling like as a

01:25:09   grown adult who is a person who does a

01:25:11   very good job of managing his own life

01:25:13   like I'm a self-employed person I have

01:25:14   to manage all of this kind of stuff like

01:25:15   I think I'm like I'm above average in

01:25:18   self-management skills yeah I think

01:25:20   that's a fair statement yeah like yeah

01:25:22   this is very stable right it's like I

01:25:24   can feel the internet trying to pull me

01:25:27   in ways that I can resistor that I'm

01:25:29   aware of

01:25:30   but I think this stuff can really catch

01:25:32   you off-guard if you don't know it's

01:25:35   it's coming actually going back to our

01:25:37   conversation about universal paper clips

01:25:39   like I had this experience years ago of

01:25:42   the first time I ran into a game that

01:25:45   was sort of like universal paper clips

01:25:47   but I didn't know what this thing was

01:25:49   like I didn't have any experience with

01:25:51   these kind of games that are there to

01:25:53   just hook you and I got hooked really

01:25:56   deep on a game that I I realize like I'm

01:25:58   not having any fun but I can't stop

01:26:00   thinking about this game and why am i

01:26:02   playing it and like I'm not actually

01:26:03   enjoying this experience and that was

01:26:05   like oh I have my eyes open too this is

01:26:08   a kind of trap that exists on the

01:26:09   internet like you've you've wandered off

01:26:11   the path in Mordor and like and now you

01:26:14   found yourself in this cul-de-sac that

01:26:16   you didn't know but I'm a rational adult

01:26:18   who can work my way out of that and then

01:26:20   recognize what this thing is and so I

01:26:21   just worry that like when you're eight

01:26:24   you don't have the skills or the ability

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01:26:30   in the fact that you're in the the

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01:26:48   aren't you glad mr. chompers doesn't

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01:29:52   hey great when I went to Australia I

01:29:54   went on a plane yeah yeah okay what do

01:29:58   you think about hot towels on planes I

01:30:02   find it strange weirdest thing ever I

01:30:07   can never say no to it although I never

01:30:09   really I then just kind of don't know

01:30:10   what to do with it I like dab my face

01:30:12   and wipe my hands and then I've just got

01:30:14   this cold wet thing for the next three

01:30:16   or four minutes that I can't wait to get

01:30:18   rid of and can't figure out how to get

01:30:20   rid of because they won't come and take

01:30:21   it soon enough and they very useful do

01:30:23   you take them I take them I'm laughing

01:30:26   because I just had an experience when

01:30:28   I'm recently flew to America where

01:30:30   they're passing out the hot towels and I

01:30:32   was for some reason really cognizant of

01:30:35   them and I was looking around and I

01:30:36   noticed that everybody used them to wipe

01:30:39   their hands and I always use them on my

01:30:42   face and I had this little moment of

01:30:43   like F I've been doing this wrong my

01:30:44   whole life is not for my face I thought

01:30:46   this was from anyways laughing like I

01:30:49   didn't know it there they're all making

01:30:51   fun of me on social media behind my back

01:30:53   right they're all going oh there's an

01:30:53   idiot who's hot salable to wipe his face

01:30:56   what a moron

01:30:57   he look around everyone's wiping their

01:30:59   butts you've got all over your face yes

01:31:02   I understand it seems like from another

01:31:04   time

01:31:05   yeah they didn't realize that you don't

01:31:07   do this anymore I think this is 100

01:31:09   percents a weird anachronism

01:31:11   there's stuck around as a black bloody

01:31:15   marys who drinks Bloody Marys and yet

01:31:17   everyone on planes always old as a

01:31:18   Bloody Mary is that what people order

01:31:20   around please

01:31:20   I always find the alcohol on planes

01:31:22   weird I don't know why there's black

01:31:23   bars on play it seems like a strange

01:31:25   environment but maybe it's just a click

01:31:26   to calm people down but I don't drink

01:31:28   alcohol on planes but when you talk to

01:31:30   other people it seems like the serving

01:31:32   of alcohol is the main use of planes to

01:31:34   some people like the beyond the fact

01:31:36   they can fly even but like are you going

01:31:38   on a you know are you gonna have lots of

01:31:40   drinks and you're gonna drink and

01:31:41   everyone drinks on planes I never drink

01:31:42   on plane yeah no but daddy Mary's just

01:31:45   like a plain drink and I don't I don't

01:31:46   understand that either I'm sure people

01:31:48   will tell me some reason I don't drink

01:31:50   on planes

01:31:50   I don't eat on planes over tell the

01:31:52   flight hood like I'm not taking any of

01:31:53   your food there's no food service here

01:31:54   but I can't say no to a hot towel like

01:31:57   they just come and it's on the little

01:31:59   tongs like I just I guess I have to

01:32:01   accept this it's a strange thing I'd be

01:32:04   quite happy thing to do away with the

01:32:05   hot towels on planes in your plate but

01:32:07   just give me like a chocolate or

01:32:08   something maybe I don't over I don't

01:32:09   know I feel like I would miss the hot

01:32:11   towel I feel like it's part of the weird

01:32:13   ritual it just seems like a waste of

01:32:15   weight and time and space and how did I

01:32:19   I keep taking them I wiped my face with

01:32:21   them and well thank God you wipe your

01:32:22   face with them so that we know we know

01:32:24   it's like I'm not alone in this activity

01:32:26   yeah I do that I do the face I don't

01:32:29   know I think they're gonna be around for

01:32:30   a long time I don't think they're going

01:32:31   anywhere at the hot towel on planes

01:32:33   speaking of hot towels and things that

01:32:35   are like weird and why do you still do

01:32:36   them why does YouTube do this rewind

01:32:38   video every year and then people that

01:32:40   look forward to it like it's a new Star

01:32:42   Wars movie or something there seems to

01:32:44   be since some section of the internet

01:32:46   that gets quite hyped about this YouTube

01:32:47   rewind video and who's gonna be in it

01:32:50   and I can't think of anything I have

01:32:52   less interest in yeah YouTube rewind

01:32:56   it's a strained beast have you watched

01:32:59   this years yeah the 2017 version came

01:33:01   out what is like a a week and a half ago

01:33:02   is it any good

01:33:04   Oh have you not watched it no okay well

01:33:09   I was talking to a few people in my life

01:33:11   about this and I realized a very funny

01:33:14   thing which is that okay so YouTube

01:33:16   rewind for anyone who doesn't know is

01:33:19   is this like like summary cameo video

01:33:26   mess thing of stuff that's happened in

01:33:28   the last year as I understand it they

01:33:30   don't like take the best stuff that was

01:33:32   on YouTube that year and turn it into a

01:33:33   montage it so like bespoke made stuff

01:33:37   for that video yeah okay let's back up

01:33:39   here right I guess I'm trying to say

01:33:40   like this video called YouTube rewind

01:33:42   has as of right now like a hundred and

01:33:45   sixty million views right they do shove

01:33:48   it down your throat a bit like okay yeah

01:33:49   it's incredibly promoted but I realized

01:33:54   talking to normal people that no normal

01:33:58   person knows what this thing is all

01:34:00   right no normal person seems to watch

01:34:03   this or have any interest in this right

01:34:05   this thing is it's entirely a social

01:34:10   network that is contained and pointing

01:34:12   to itself it's like the place to be

01:34:17   saying isn't it it's like you know

01:34:19   Studio 54 back in the day people would

01:34:22   just want to be seen in it like and they

01:34:24   want to see who's in it yeah it's it's

01:34:26   very extreme so it's a status symbol or

01:34:28   something maybe I don't know yeah so for

01:34:30   people who don't know which are normal

01:34:32   people who shouldn't know it I'll

01:34:36   describe it in the most cynical way

01:34:37   YouTube gets a bunch of their most

01:34:40   visible known photogenic creators that

01:34:46   YouTube also wants to promote and gets

01:34:50   them all together to be in a gigantic

01:34:54   compilation video of meaninglessness

01:34:57   where they're they're all in it for a

01:35:00   couple of seconds smiling to the camera

01:35:03   doing something funny maybe passing an

01:35:06   object back and forth so that there's

01:35:08   some vague idea of continuity through

01:35:11   the video across time but this year's

01:35:14   video is 7 minutes long and they must

01:35:17   cram 200 creators in there all of whom

01:35:22   have had like a million plus subscribers

01:35:25   who then tell their subscribers oh I was

01:35:28   in YouTube rewind this year so it gets

01:35:30   phenomenal viewing numbers

01:35:32   but the thing is calling it meaning this

01:35:36   is almost a compliment too but like it

01:35:38   is it's so and you can just tell from

01:35:39   watching it I mean I haven't watched

01:35:41   this years but I have watched them

01:35:42   before and I have heard stories from

01:35:44   people who have contributed you can tell

01:35:46   that every segment would have involved

01:35:49   days of filming for those two or three

01:35:51   seconds that they actually kept it

01:35:52   always alludes so they did something

01:35:54   much more big and elaborate that got cut

01:35:57   yeah

01:35:57   and they just kept half a second of

01:35:59   someone winking or something like it's

01:36:01   really bad

01:36:02   oh no watch it okay yeah like I honestly

01:36:04   think you should just put it on in

01:36:05   silent in the background while we're

01:36:06   talking because okay the thing has

01:36:08   always been a little bit embarrassing I

01:36:10   will say that like go back five years

01:36:13   ago and I thought that they were okay

01:36:15   simply because YouTube was smaller it

01:36:18   was less obviously pushing an agenda you

01:36:21   were more likely to know who the

01:36:22   creators were and because there were

01:36:24   fewer people packed in the video it had

01:36:26   some chance of being interesting hmm but

01:36:28   I think the last three years have been

01:36:30   really terrible have you ever been asked

01:36:32   to contribute no I have never been asked

01:36:34   but then again like I'm not an on camera

01:36:36   person it doesn't make any sense to ask

01:36:38   me to be part of it I had like an

01:36:40   animation section this year they didn't

01:36:41   I I heard there was a little animation

01:36:44   section at the end this year which I

01:36:45   actually thought was the best part of

01:36:47   the whole video was they had a bunch of

01:36:48   animators at the end and the reason it

01:36:50   was the best part of the whole video is

01:36:51   they obviously told each of the

01:36:53   animators that they were going to have

01:36:55   whatever it was 5 or 10 seconds just do

01:36:57   whatever they want and the animators

01:37:00   were unconstrained by all the dumbness

01:37:02   that every one of the physical people

01:37:04   was constrained by like we put you in a

01:37:06   room and we have these props and we want

01:37:08   you to interact with these props I and

01:37:09   like look goofy or look happy or

01:37:11   whatever if the animator part was

01:37:13   clearly the best part but the rest of it

01:37:15   was just this fills me with dread

01:37:16   watching this it's so like glassy and

01:37:20   you know what else makes me feel a bit

01:37:22   like icky well knowing that the people

01:37:23   who were in it would be watching it with

01:37:25   like wide eyes feeling so good about

01:37:27   their one section and thinking how like

01:37:29   impactful it was like I'm what I'm

01:37:32   imagining them watching it I don't know

01:37:33   because someone needs to tell the

01:37:36   youtubes to stop doing this it's become

01:37:38   a thing that's what the Oscars for them

01:37:39   it's so self-absorbed that it's

01:37:43   revolting that's the good term for us so

01:37:45   far because if you do

01:37:46   know who all these youtubers are the

01:37:48   video is meaningless and this year's was

01:37:51   especially bad because they were cutting

01:37:53   between scenes so fast very fast cut

01:37:57   there's no pretense that you can follow

01:37:59   what's occurring so it's like okay what

01:38:01   am i watching here I'm watching a thing

01:38:03   where if I am the most obsessive YouTube

01:38:06   viewer I'm just going to recognize a

01:38:09   bunch of millionaires that's what's

01:38:11   happening here

01:38:12   it's also a bit like how good a thing

01:38:15   did I get in the yearbook yeah it's a

01:38:18   little bit yearbook E and all the

01:38:20   popular kids have a page in the yearbook

01:38:21   full of all the things they did and let

01:38:24   you and I other ones who aren't in the

01:38:25   year yeah it's oh I just saw someone I

01:38:28   recognized amazing yeah and don't like

01:38:32   this year is in particular I feel like

01:38:34   it's so clear that this year is like

01:38:36   here or all of the acceptable beautiful

01:38:38   people that we want to promote and there

01:38:41   are plenty of people on YouTube who if

01:38:44   you were doing some compilation of the

01:38:46   year

01:38:47   would be in there but it's like but

01:38:49   YouTube doesn't want to show those

01:38:50   people we only want to show certain

01:38:52   kinds of people right we don't want to

01:38:54   show other kinds of people but how is

01:38:56   this promoting anything it's not like

01:38:57   you're gonna see anything in this video

01:38:58   and go hmm I might look into that person

01:39:01   more and explore their work or subscribe

01:39:03   to their channel it's almost like

01:39:06   youtuber giving you a like on snaps

01:39:08   degree yeah yeah like these are the

01:39:10   people that we're giving a like yeah

01:39:12   that's 100% what it is yeah YouTube is

01:39:14   handing out hearts to specific creators

01:39:17   in this way and this year's was super

01:39:21   cringy it was really hard to watch

01:39:22   there's a thing that really just rubbed

01:39:24   me the wrong way which is also like I

01:39:27   think is a little tone deaf on youtubes

01:39:30   part which is ostensibly this is like oh

01:39:33   hey let's look at all of the creators on

01:39:35   YouTube but they open it up with a

01:39:37   standard late-night TV guy introducing

01:39:41   the YouTube people and I feel like this

01:39:44   has been a year where all of the YouTube

01:39:46   people have been complaining about the

01:39:47   invasion of late-night-tv and how

01:39:49   YouTube is like weirdly obsessed and

01:39:52   promotes like a whole menagerie of

01:39:55   late-night TV personalities like it's

01:39:57   just all over YouTube I was like okay

01:39:59   well the

01:40:00   is just another indication that the

01:40:01   thing YouTube really wants is more late

01:40:03   night TV on YouTube which is just I just

01:40:06   really don't get Janerio I've been

01:40:08   watching this video the whole time we've

01:40:09   been talking admittedly with no sound

01:40:11   and I realized like you know I'm an old

01:40:15   guy now who makes boring educational

01:40:17   videos so I'm you know I'm in the

01:40:19   minority but this this kind of makes me

01:40:22   a bit embarrassed of my job yeah I'd

01:40:24   like if people watch this and associated

01:40:28   this in any way with what I do for a

01:40:29   living I'd I feel really bad like I know

01:40:33   I'm like the old man in this and

01:40:34   YouTube's a young person's game but I'm

01:40:36   like I know it makes me not want to say

01:40:39   that I'm a youtuber for a living like I

01:40:41   have to change how I describe my job

01:40:43   this is definitely a thing that there

01:40:46   has been a change in the cultural mind

01:40:49   shift about the idea of a youtuber and

01:40:52   yes it's like I will I will never say

01:40:54   that because now it used to be like

01:40:56   people would say something's like what

01:40:57   is that even me like what are you

01:40:58   talking about but now people have a very

01:41:01   particular idea of what that means

01:41:03   and it exists right like this video is

01:41:06   what a youtuber is it's like oh god I

01:41:09   don't want anything to do with this

01:41:10   young like sickeningly extroverted yeah

01:41:14   attention-seeking will do any crazy

01:41:17   thing if it results in being on a screen

01:41:20   that is one represented case I feel like

01:41:23   I'm kind of a like the grumpy old yeah

01:41:25   youtuber person who has nothing to do

01:41:29   with this and wants nothing to do with

01:41:30   this the thing that has been happening

01:41:32   for years which I just don't like but

01:41:35   was obviously inevitable which is this

01:41:37   weird Hollywood ization of the YouTube

01:41:40   platform that does lead like this very

01:41:44   particular anime people angry but like

01:41:48   desperate la kind of person who's on

01:41:51   YouTube and like they can do very well

01:41:54   on YouTube but it's it's like I just

01:41:56   don't want anything to do with what you

01:41:59   said like these people who are

01:42:01   sickeningly extroverted like I don't

01:42:04   want anything to do with you I can't

01:42:06   imagine what YouTube could have asked

01:42:08   them to do that I wouldn't do to be in

01:42:09   this video exactly yeah

01:42:10   now bark like a dog yeah

01:42:12   now okay like they just seem to be doing

01:42:16   that okay now dress up as a monster and

01:42:18   get out of this grave yeah now hold this

01:42:20   fidget spinner mhm okay okay do you know

01:42:23   all that said I don't know what I'd do

01:42:25   if they asked me to do something for it

01:42:27   because you'd feel like like if they

01:42:29   said to me Oh Brady can we do like a six

01:42:31   second thing to do with one of your

01:42:33   channels to put in the rewind like what

01:42:35   I say no like I kind of feel like you'd

01:42:38   have to say yes why do you feel like

01:42:41   you'd have to say yes part of my job is

01:42:43   to let you know promote my channels and

01:42:45   make sure they're successful not just

01:42:46   for me but for the people who are

01:42:48   involved and like it does get watched

01:42:51   like 160 million times is any good

01:42:53   coming from that well probably not yet

01:42:55   as far as I can tell none of these

01:42:58   channels get any kind of bump from this

01:43:00   because yeah who's watching this right

01:43:03   orally you've watched this in the

01:43:04   background okay and you've seen

01:43:06   half-second clips of 200 people are

01:43:08   there any of those people you're gonna

01:43:09   go like wow that person took a water

01:43:11   balloon to the face really well I want

01:43:13   to check out his channel you're not

01:43:15   gonna do that for any of these people

01:43:17   it's not happening like I think this is

01:43:19   100% a case like some other things we

01:43:21   have discussed where like an institution

01:43:24   is getting people to do a thing and the

01:43:27   currency that they're paying them in is

01:43:29   honor right they're like Oh what what a

01:43:32   great honor it is to be in YouTube

01:43:34   rewind I was like okay honor sounds like

01:43:37   I'm not getting paid and honor sounds

01:43:39   like I might not have a good reason to

01:43:40   do this like would you want me to do

01:43:42   this thing I tell you I reckon the only

01:43:44   people that would benefit from being in

01:43:45   this are probably the animators because

01:43:48   they're the only things that I would

01:43:49   look at and think well that looks good

01:43:51   I've never I've never seen that person

01:43:53   before looks like they're doing some

01:43:54   interesting stuff yeah whereas everyone

01:43:56   else is not doing like their native

01:43:58   thing yeah that's why I said like the

01:43:59   animation part of it was by far the best

01:44:01   part of it it was that yeah at the very

01:44:03   end in the credits and because they had

01:44:05   total control and they didn't have to do

01:44:07   all of this cringe-worthy stuff and that

01:44:08   yeah they're doing the thing that they

01:44:10   do whereas everyone else is like

01:44:11   whatever they normally do they're not

01:44:13   doing they're just like yeah taking a

01:44:14   water balloon in the face instead of

01:44:16   their normal beauty channel or their

01:44:17   normal vlog or their normal skydiving

01:44:20   whatever they normally do it's really

01:44:23   cringey and

01:44:24   even though the animator part was the

01:44:26   best part if they asked me to do it I

01:44:28   would say no because I feel like the

01:44:30   video was just so uncomfortable

01:44:32   I wouldn't want it's not anything to do

01:44:35   with it and in particular the thing I

01:44:37   don't like is you're watching it on

01:44:39   silent so that you you might not have

01:44:41   picked up on this but so they're doing

01:44:43   like oh here's a million memes and

01:44:45   people being outrageous and doing funny

01:44:47   stuff but then in the in the middle the

01:44:49   music gets all serious and people start

01:44:51   holding hands and there's like a little

01:44:55   moment of like oh boy how did we come

01:44:57   together in 2017 like we all came

01:45:00   together as a community it's like to do

01:45:03   what exactly like well we don't want to

01:45:04   get too specific about what we came

01:45:06   together to do but we sure did come

01:45:08   together in 20 seconds like to raise

01:45:11   some adsense measure exactly it's just

01:45:13   like we're gonna have a like a solid and

01:45:15   I like I hate that stuff I really really

01:45:18   hate that like forced together and it's

01:45:22   like oh we're like if you want to make a

01:45:23   movie with a million cameos and some fun

01:45:25   memes like fine make that but don't like

01:45:27   do a tone shift in the middle I want no

01:45:30   part in this it's absolutely awful I'll

01:45:32   also just recommend there was a really

01:45:34   interesting video to watch by one of the

01:45:37   participants which backs up what you

01:45:39   were describing like all of these clips

01:45:41   look like they're part of a much bigger

01:45:43   thing and there's a youtuber in the UK

01:45:46   called Emma blackberry who did a long

01:45:48   discussion about what was it actually

01:45:50   like to film YouTube rewind yeah and she

01:45:55   was actually talking about in the UK and

01:45:57   it just sounded brutal she's done it for

01:46:00   the past few years and it is literally a

01:46:03   full day of shooting where you never

01:46:06   have any idea when you're going to be on

01:46:07   camera when they're gonna call you like

01:46:09   you're standing around you just like you

01:46:11   just have to be there for enormous

01:46:13   amounts of time and then the end result

01:46:16   is that you are on camera for three or

01:46:19   four frames like what an incredible

01:46:22   waste of a person's time and especially

01:46:25   when like they're asking people for whom

01:46:30   like the opportunity cost of doing this

01:46:32   project is non-trivial like Emma

01:46:34   BlackBerry is not a tiny vlogger like

01:46:36   she has a million and a half subscribers

01:46:38   hmm and to ask her to be like standing

01:46:41   around for a whole day for like for the

01:46:43   glory of being in a YouTube video for a

01:46:46   few frames like it's crazy that's a

01:46:47   crazy opportunity cost multiply it

01:46:50   across all the people who are

01:46:51   participating answer me this then most

01:46:53   of these people are now big business

01:46:55   right and they know they're worth

01:46:56   they're not like naive anymore not many

01:47:01   people who are that big on YouTube er

01:47:02   why are they saying yes like you said

01:47:05   you would quite comfortably say no

01:47:07   because you see no benefit to you it's a

01:47:08   waste of time like are they saying yes

01:47:11   because they see some benefit are they

01:47:13   saying yes because they're vain are they

01:47:17   flattered by it like why are they saying

01:47:19   yes why are they saying yeah I'm a big

01:47:23   youtuber I can command tens of thousands

01:47:25   of dollars for my time but I'm gonna

01:47:27   stand around all day for three frames in

01:47:29   YouTube rewind well I think there's

01:47:32   there's many different levels of this

01:47:34   alright so level 1 are the genuinely big

01:47:39   people that the video is featuring for a

01:47:41   significant period of time right right

01:47:43   so you have the big names who are

01:47:47   brought out they're able to do their

01:47:50   thing very quickly and they leave and

01:47:52   they're genuinely featured for a

01:47:54   non-trivial amount of time like I could

01:47:56   see like if I was a vlogger with 10

01:47:59   million plus subscribers doing their job

01:48:01   rewind might make sense because it's

01:48:03   less of a time commitment and you know

01:48:05   that you're getting some promotion out

01:48:07   of it what sort of keeps you in the

01:48:09   zeitgeist a bit yeah it keeps you in the

01:48:11   zeitgeist and like maybe at that level

01:48:13   it's not a bad idea to just like have

01:48:15   some connections with YouTube or like to

01:48:18   be seen to be doing YouTube a favor I

01:48:20   can say that I can see why doing YouTube

01:48:23   a favor could help you down the track

01:48:24   when you need help yeah and I'm just

01:48:25   trying to say like where do you start

01:48:27   with this like if you're the really big

01:48:28   person yeah there's a way that it makes

01:48:31   sense ok so now let's get down to like

01:48:34   the people who are in the YouTube rewind

01:48:36   smaller youtubers where we're talking

01:48:38   like a million plus subscribers right

01:48:40   yeah this is just like it's just a funny

01:48:41   world because I think the statistics now

01:48:43   there's something like 2,000 channels

01:48:45   that have more than a million

01:48:45   subscribers on YouTube it's a crazy

01:48:47   number does that mean I might cut one

01:48:49   one-thousandth of them yes it's exact

01:48:51   exactly right you can

01:48:52   you can twice Brady thanks James yeah

01:48:56   that's how that works

01:48:57   I think it's 4,000 actually but or like

01:48:59   it's I think it's even harder than that

01:49:00   but whatever it is the number keeps

01:49:02   going up and every time I hear it is

01:49:03   just it seems crazy big why they doing

01:49:05   it okay because they think that we're

01:49:07   gonna have more time than they did

01:49:09   that's probably one answer well yeah

01:49:12   okay thinking that they're gonna have

01:49:13   more time that they do is one answer I'm

01:49:15   trying to think of a nice way to

01:49:16   describe a particular type of person I'm

01:49:21   gonna say this I'm not talking about

01:49:23   anyone in particular but I am talking

01:49:25   about like the kind of people who might

01:49:27   want to move to LA to become movie stars

01:49:29   yeah there's a certain kind of person

01:49:31   ambitious aspirational okay yeah sure

01:49:36   those are nice words what I would say is

01:49:38   that there are people who are empty

01:49:41   inside and try constantly to fill

01:49:43   themselves up with the meaningless

01:49:45   approval of strangers vacuous is not

01:49:50   vacuous I mean it is like they are empty

01:49:52   inside and they have to constantly take

01:49:55   likes and hearts and approval from

01:49:58   anonymous strangers and bring it into

01:50:01   themselves and maybe I've met some

01:50:05   people like this and I find them

01:50:08   unsettling and weird I feel like you are

01:50:11   not my kind of person if you are really

01:50:16   deeply wanting the approval of people

01:50:19   you don't know I find it strange and

01:50:21   there are a lot of people who would say

01:50:23   become a vlogger on YouTube because

01:50:26   that's the thing like that's the thing

01:50:28   that drives them is maybe if enough

01:50:30   people give me a thumbs up I won't feel

01:50:32   so empty inside and so I can imagine

01:50:35   that those people will say yes to

01:50:37   anything that's promotion so that's one

01:50:40   kind of person and you know what I'm

01:50:43   totally fine with that because the

01:50:44   person's making a decision like they

01:50:46   want to do this thing for exposure they

01:50:48   have their own internal reasons for

01:50:49   doing it I have no problem with that

01:50:51   but the other kind of thing that I

01:50:53   suspect is happening is a lot of these

01:50:57   channels are people who have gotten

01:51:00   success

01:51:02   in like what is a relatively compressed

01:51:04   timeframe maybe like a couple of years

01:51:06   they've gone from being nobody on

01:51:07   YouTube to being someone who's invited

01:51:09   on YouTube rewind and I do think that

01:51:12   YouTube is kind of exploiting people who

01:51:16   this might be one of their first

01:51:19   interactions with something like this

01:51:21   and YouTube is saying oh come be part of

01:51:23   this thing so I better start know better

01:51:25   because I haven't been burned yet I do

01:51:27   suspect that that is a a non-trivial

01:51:29   number of the people who are here yeah

01:51:31   that it's people who just don't have any

01:51:34   experience with what is it like to

01:51:36   actually film a gigantic project like

01:51:39   this what does this really mean and

01:51:42   YouTube is taking advantage of their

01:51:45   inexperience in exchange for getting

01:51:48   them to be part of this gigantic thing

01:51:50   like I did when I got you to help me

01:51:52   with my mile up i video yes that's true

01:51:54   yeah I had no idea actually it was

01:51:55   really fun Dave Brady I really like you

01:51:59   didn't get much screen time for all that

01:52:00   sitting around you did that yeah but see

01:52:02   the difference is how much screen time

01:52:03   did I want i had the reverse problem I

01:52:06   had more screen time than I want

01:52:10   I wanted zero screen time and there was

01:52:13   some screen time there was a little bit

01:52:15   sneaky screen time it's a very different

01:52:17   but yeah so YouTube rewind its cringy

01:52:21   it's embarrassing it's for no one I

01:52:23   think it's kind of exploitive and it's

01:52:27   awful and I wish you two would stop

01:52:28   doing it link in the show notes yeah

01:52:31   link in the show notes go enjoy it

01:52:32   people make sure to give it a thumbs up

01:52:44   you

01:53:34   anymore mr. chompers store I think we're

01:53:36   just that's just about it for today's

01:53:37   podcast ya notice everyone for listening

01:53:39   thanks grey for sharing their latest

01:53:42   stories chompers we'll be back in a few

01:53:44   weeks time with another episode see you

01:53:45   after Christmas everybody yeah I did

01:53:48   sign up for an Instagram account though

01:53:50   so I can follow some of these dogs so

01:53:51   yeah I hope you follow Audrey I'm

01:53:55   already following Audrey I'm already

01:53:56   following it good I don't really get the

01:53:58   Instagram but you know everyone has me

01:54:00   to try it so I'm giving it a try yes