Roderick on the Line

Ep. 276: "The Authenticity Wars"


01:00:00   they're the strokes their songs all [TS]

01:00:01   sound like the stroke you sure you write [TS]

01:00:03   the intro Interpol their songs all sound [TS]

01:00:06   like and but wouldn't those songs come [TS]

01:00:16   on you're like hey that's got to be the [TS]

01:00:18   new Interpol song whereas the long [TS]

01:00:19   winter's music all sounds like who the [TS]

01:00:22   fuck knows right I mean the only thing [TS]

01:00:24   we don't have a ska song there's a [TS]

01:00:27   there's an everything it's an everything [TS]

01:00:29   everything sound and that if you're [TS]

01:00:31   trying to make a band popular is a bad [TS]

01:00:34   strategy I mean the mountain goats every [TS]

01:00:36   song sounds like the mountain goats yeah [TS]

01:00:38   you're never gonna listen to a mountain [TS]

01:00:40   goat song and go wow is this like is [TS]

01:00:42   this some kind of orc pop is this the [TS]

01:00:47   Smashing Pumpkins so it's a it was a bad [TS]

01:00:54   what I never did and this is the other [TS]

01:00:56   thing right I'd had a lot of these mixed [TS]

01:00:59   ideas like I looked at somebody like Ted [TS]

01:01:02   Leo and I admired the fact that he [TS]

01:01:04   stayed true to his school but my school [TS]

01:01:07   was touch her own hair my school was not [TS]

01:01:12   be like sound like your influences it [TS]

01:01:19   was cut your own hair and so right [TS]

01:01:21   before every single photo shoot that we [TS]

01:01:24   took I cut my own hair which means that [TS]

01:01:28   every photo of us I looked terrible [TS]

01:01:32   as I did it I thought that people would [TS]

01:01:36   look at the pictures and they would [TS]

01:01:38   identify a kind of truth about me like [TS]

01:01:42   oh that guy is true but people don't [TS]

01:01:45   look at it and say that they say why is [TS]

01:01:49   he did I mean why does he have that [TS]

01:01:51   haircut yeah that's a terrible haircut [TS]

01:01:54   and so what I thought I was [TS]

01:01:57   communicating like I thought I was [TS]

01:02:00   communicating in the song cinnamon this [TS]

01:02:01   whole story about the baader-meinhof [TS]

01:02:02   gang but I didn't give any evidence of [TS]

01:02:05   it right and so I'm cutting my own hair [TS]

01:02:07   before every photo shoot because I [TS]

01:02:09   believe in the principle but the prints [TS]

01:02:13   Paul does not convey see what you're [TS]

01:02:17   saying [TS]

01:02:18   people couldn't look at you and know [TS]

01:02:20   that you're a vegan no do you know [TS]

01:02:22   similarly like there's something there's [TS]

01:02:25   something in your cred or know that your [TS]

01:02:26   straightedge [TS]

01:02:27   they couldn't like look at you and be [TS]

01:02:29   able to glean let you have a big ax on [TS]

01:02:30   your hand right well and the thing about [TS]

01:02:32   Ted is that he had a big V for vegan on [TS]

01:02:34   his shirt and he talked about it in [TS]

01:02:36   every interview and what I had was like [TS]

01:02:41   you know I had a suit like the Riddler [TS]

01:02:44   cover with question marks every single [TS]

01:02:52   tour it was like this tour I'm wearing a [TS]

01:02:54   striped tie and I look like I'm in the [TS]

01:02:55   Decembrists and this tour I'm wearing a [TS]

01:02:57   gold leotard top hats for everybody [TS]

01:03:00   I started out one tour at where I was [TS]

01:03:02   like I'm just gonna wear this tracksuit [TS]

01:03:05   through the whole tool all three of my [TS]

01:03:09   band mates were like when are you gonna [TS]

01:03:10   change out of your pajamas and I said [TS]

01:03:13   it's very comfortable but like what I [TS]

01:03:16   you know I looked like I was in the [TS]

01:03:18   happy Monday so there was no consistency [TS]

01:03:23   and it was all it was all in my head [TS]

01:03:25   that I was doing something though that [TS]

01:03:28   people were gonna pick up on but what I [TS]

01:03:31   was really doing was this like it's just [TS]

01:03:34   this eclecticism that all people picked [TS]

01:03:37   up on was wait is that the guy from LCD [TS]

01:03:40   Soundsystem except he is except he's [TS]

01:03:44   wearing like loafers and a bowler like [TS]

01:03:47   that doesn't he's dressed like Clockwork [TS]

01:03:49   Orange and it doesn't make any sense and [TS]

01:03:51   that and that's I think true in them in [TS]

01:03:54   the songs too like I every song I just I [TS]

01:03:58   started completely fresh as like a new [TS]

01:04:01   experiment which I thought was a great [TS]

01:04:07   premise but when you listen to the [TS]

01:04:09   records you're like to never know what's [TS]

01:04:11   coming next what's coming next is the [TS]

01:04:13   baseline gonna be played on a tambourine [TS]

01:04:14   like don't know so what from that is to [TS]

01:04:25   be gleaned [TS]

01:04:27   because there's a lot of angles to that [TS]

01:04:29   yeah no no I mean if you're saying like [TS]

01:04:31   there's a lot of 1:1 angle is you you [TS]

01:04:35   thought you were going for something and [TS]

01:04:37   it didn't come across another could be a [TS]

01:04:40   lesson for the youths right about about [TS]

01:04:44   how to how to do your thing mm-hmm do [TS]

01:04:46   you feel that part of the success of [TS]

01:04:50   other bands is owed to the fact that [TS]

01:04:52   they didn't do stuff like cut their hair [TS]

01:04:54   before a photo shoot they went and got [TS]

01:04:56   it professionally cut at great expense [TS]

01:04:58   and socially cut by a professional and [TS]

01:05:01   and told the person will you cut my hair [TS]

01:05:03   so that I look cool they probably [TS]

01:05:05   brought in a picture of somebody and [TS]

01:05:08   said this can you make me look like Ron [TS]

01:05:11   Wood in 1972 [TS]

01:05:13   sure and you know and I was sitting in [TS]

01:05:16   the mirror going hmm that's not even [TS]

01:05:19   maybe I should cut up the other side a [TS]

01:05:21   little bit oh it's not even again maybe [TS]

01:05:24   I should cut it up the other side a [TS]

01:05:26   little bit and then pretty soon you know [TS]

01:05:28   like I look I look like a like a girl in [TS]

01:05:32   college who's experimenting I always [TS]

01:05:39   wondered what would happen I look back [TS]

01:05:41   sometimes I wonder if in when I was 16 [TS]

01:05:44   if I had just bought a leather jacket a [TS]

01:05:47   good one that fit me and it had just won [TS]

01:05:50   that leather jacket all that like that [TS]

01:05:52   would be your thing I had that leather [TS]

01:05:54   jacket how was that guy that had that [TS]

01:05:56   leather jacket that the lot it would [TS]

01:06:00   have just solved a lot of problems [TS]

01:06:01   between the age of 16 and 26 yeah [TS]

01:06:04   because you wouldn't have to think about [TS]

01:06:06   it you just wear that jacket oh you [TS]

01:06:09   could be like I'm thinking like a [TS]

01:06:10   college people show up for college and [TS]

01:06:12   they became they become known for their [TS]

01:06:13   one thing like it could be skateboards [TS]

01:06:16   Scott or you know it could be a Scott [TS]

01:06:19   poor or snake Amy I've told you about [TS]

01:06:20   something game either different Amy's [TS]

01:06:22   and in the caning of things there was [TS]

01:06:23   like snake Amy she's gonna have the [TS]

01:06:24   snake she had a pet snake she would can [TS]

01:06:26   carry around with her right and so I see [TS]

01:06:28   then in this case the leather jacket [TS]

01:06:29   would be your snake and if you picked [TS]

01:06:32   hardcore as your sound like hardcore is [TS]

01:06:37   well it's right in the name it's [TS]

01:06:39   hardcore [TS]

01:06:40   right so it's all hand on there and so [TS]

01:06:42   and the sound of hardcore is very [TS]

01:06:44   distinctive and you can learn it and so [TS]

01:06:48   then you are if you stick in the way [TS]

01:06:51   that we're describing if you stick [TS]

01:06:53   around long enough in hardcore you [TS]

01:06:56   become part of hardcore you're no longer [TS]

01:06:59   just some aspirant you are part of [TS]

01:07:02   hardcore and once you become part of it [TS]

01:07:04   then what you did when you were young is [TS]

01:07:06   now part of the history of hardcore no [TS]

01:07:09   you were there you were in the trenches [TS]

01:07:11   that's right and you got stories to tell [TS]

01:07:14   you got stories and at the time there [TS]

01:07:16   were bigger bands than you you were just [TS]

01:07:17   like you know just gutting it out but [TS]

01:07:20   now when those bands go away and you're [TS]

01:07:22   still around now you kind of have [TS]

01:07:25   written the history of hardcore [TS]

01:07:26   something's right and the victors write [TS]

01:07:32   the history mm-hmm but if you start out [TS]

01:07:36   and you're just like I'm just you know [TS]

01:07:38   I'm just like Oh our band is is [TS]

01:07:41   different we're on our own we're doing [TS]

01:07:43   our own thing and you don't invent a [TS]

01:07:46   genre which is very hard very very hard [TS]

01:07:49   to do mm-hmm [TS]

01:07:51   when people look back they're like well [TS]

01:07:53   you weren't really part of any scene [TS]

01:07:55   back then so it's not like you rewrote [TS]

01:07:57   the history of that scene you just [TS]

01:08:00   floundered it the whole time and you [TS]

01:08:03   kind of clamored up on to whatever like [TS]

01:08:07   raft you managed to get on grace and [TS]

01:08:10   then the raft went over the falls this [TS]

01:08:12   is like what people I mean you know I [TS]

01:08:13   don't want to cast aspersions but as you [TS]

01:08:15   and I both know there's a handful of [TS]

01:08:17   characters who keep reappearing in every [TS]

01:08:21   music documentary oh yeah right [TS]

01:08:25   Klosterman [TS]

01:08:26   role he's they're never you get Dave [TS]

01:08:28   Grohl you get thirst and more or like [TS]

01:08:30   this like we're still talking to the [TS]

01:08:32   Moody Blues an awful lot these days [TS]

01:08:34   things to tell people you know people [TS]

01:08:37   feel very strongly about the Moody Blues [TS]

01:08:39   I don't understand that maybe I just [TS]

01:08:41   don't know I maybe I'm just not deep [TS]

01:08:43   enough into their catalogue I don't [TS]

01:08:45   think they have a deep catalogue [TS]

01:08:46   but on the scene I'll sit around I'll [TS]

01:08:48   sit around and and I'll watch me a [TS]

01:08:54   Genesis concert from 1972 that's just [TS]

01:08:56   the thing I'll do I'll just sit there [TS]

01:08:57   and watch a low-resolution like [TS]

01:09:00   something from like like I don't know [TS]

01:09:01   something around nursery crime or [TS]

01:09:02   Foxtrot and I'll just watch I'll just [TS]

01:09:04   watch the fucking Genesis concert magic [TS]

01:09:06   it's it's so weird and so good they were [TS]

01:09:10   such a good band and most people just [TS]

01:09:12   look I think it was like I dressed as a [TS]

01:09:14   flower but like they really brought it [TS]

01:09:16   they brought it and they toured the shit [TS]

01:09:17   out of it and they were just I mean I [TS]

01:09:19   don't know what your feelings are about [TS]

01:09:20   Genesis but like still Collins was a [TS]

01:09:22   really good drummer and a really good [TS]

01:09:23   singer and you know and Steve Hackett [TS]

01:09:26   that plays that guitar like ringing a [TS]

01:09:27   bell [TS]

01:09:28   yeah like Moody Blues I don't find [TS]

01:09:30   myself watching Moody Blues concerts is [TS]

01:09:32   that bad on me should I be like a gentle [TS]

01:09:33   giant should I be expanding my catalogue [TS]

01:09:35   more by the way I think I'm more [TS]

01:09:38   familiar with gentle giant I know [TS]

01:09:39   probably 2 or 3 moody blues songs but I [TS]

01:09:41   think I'm probably more familiar with [TS]

01:09:43   gentle giant isn't Pam you'll figure [TS]

01:09:44   that out [TS]

01:09:45   I feel like Moody Blues I am somebody [TS]

01:09:48   who cannot be mad at the Moody Blues in [TS]

01:09:57   the same way that I still live written [TS]

01:10:00   never meaning to send yeah I still [TS]

01:10:03   listen to Richard Harris sing about how [TS]

01:10:05   he left his cake out in the rain oh sure [TS]

01:10:07   and so again that's a good performance [TS]

01:10:13   that's a pretty good performance it's [TS]

01:10:15   great you know I mean I'll listen to [TS]

01:10:17   Mannheim Steamroller Christmas every [TS]

01:10:19   year not because I want to but because [TS]

01:10:21   my sister insists that says heavy metal [TS]

01:10:25   Christmas stuff now who's that I don't I [TS]

01:10:27   don't want to hear that Christmas songs [TS]

01:10:29   I have he's a transect burying railroad [TS]

01:10:32   it might be heavy metal Christmas I [TS]

01:10:34   wouldn't follow that I wouldn't it's [TS]

01:10:41   excruciating but you know what Moody [TS]

01:10:43   Blues was was they were like they were [TS]

01:10:46   like the guys following Pink Floyd and [TS]

01:10:48   they were they were taking in Floyd and [TS]

01:10:50   they were making it a little bit more [TS]

01:10:52   palatable and I'm not I don't disagree [TS]

01:10:53   with that I'm not argue with them but [TS]

01:10:55   therapy lot there's a lot of anger at [TS]

01:10:57   people or at Moody Blues [TS]

01:11:00   and and I don't you know it's sort of [TS]

01:11:02   like y-yeah no no no no don't get me [TS]

01:11:06   wrong I don't mean to be slacking off on [TS]

01:11:07   no MIDI please I'm not familiar enough [TS]

01:11:09   to know but but that's so now what I'm [TS]

01:11:12   thinking of god I can't believe I'm [TS]

01:11:14   saying this on the show do you ever [TS]

01:11:15   watch the television show Portlandia say [TS]

01:11:20   no there's a recent episode wait a [TS]

01:11:23   minute I I love to go watch Portlandia [TS]

01:11:28   sketches yes online and partly it is [TS]

01:11:32   because I have very very good feelings [TS]

01:11:35   about Fred Armisen yeah I don't want too [TS]

01:11:37   much but yeah he's he's very he's very [TS]

01:11:39   talented and his eyes alone are very [TS]

01:11:41   very funny we are currently in geing [TS]

01:11:43   this program at our house he sent me a [TS]

01:11:45   very nice email one time and just [TS]

01:11:48   apropos of nothing based on his own just [TS]

01:11:51   generous nests and and I so about the [TS]

01:11:55   management uh-uh no just like just out [TS]

01:12:00   not out of the blue but he was you know [TS]

01:12:03   he he felt he felt at that time that I [TS]

01:12:07   could use or not no no I don't think he [TS]

01:12:09   even thought that way he just became [TS]

01:12:11   aware of me and wanted to send me an [TS]

01:12:13   email that's the best kind of message to [TS]

01:12:16   receive . that is the best message it [TS]

01:12:19   was basically like he turned a corner he [TS]

01:12:21   bumped into me and he said yay [TS]

01:12:22   you know what you're too big for this [TS]

01:12:23   town like he gave me a little he gave me [TS]

01:12:26   just a little like hey i became aware of [TS]

01:12:28   you and i just wanted to say i really [TS]

01:12:29   like what I just like your thing and so [TS]

01:12:33   I don't want to hear any bad things and [TS]

01:12:35   then in my shirt you look weird oh yeah [TS]

01:12:37   - there's two main street performers [TS]

01:12:39   that I can think of that and this is [TS]

01:12:42   neither of these as anything too obscure [TS]

01:12:45   but there are two people where I just [TS]

01:12:47   look at them and I just start laughing [TS]

01:12:49   I'm gonna be honest with you Will [TS]

01:12:52   Ferrell he is just naturally very funny [TS]

01:12:53   Will Ferrell and a Fred Armisen they [TS]

01:12:55   both have very funny eyes but like even [TS]

01:12:58   before they're doing anything their eyes [TS]

01:12:59   are just funny I have never gotten into [TS]

01:13:02   wolf bear it's totally understandable [TS]

01:13:03   totally understand at the heart of it [TS]

01:13:05   will Ferrell is a weirdo yes that's the [TS]

01:13:08   great part like he he gets known for [TS]

01:13:09   these bits in the cowbell and whatnot [TS]

01:13:11   but like [TS]

01:13:12   the only reason I mentioned this is [TS]

01:13:14   their I don't know why I'm telling you [TS]

01:13:15   this I should cut this out but two or [TS]

01:13:17   three episodes ago on Portlandia there's [TS]

01:13:19   a character running character on the [TS]

01:13:20   show named spike who's like the punk [TS]

01:13:21   rock guy who's in his you know 50s and [TS]

01:13:24   spike decides it's time it's time to [TS]

01:13:25   speak truth to power it's time to get [TS]

01:13:26   his old band riot spray back together [TS]

01:13:29   and we know he's like this he's this you [TS]

01:13:32   know crusty punk rocker and it's a riot [TS]

01:13:34   spray it turns out this is so great [TS]

01:13:37   it's Henry Rollins from like he looks [TS]

01:13:48   like a guy you would just see at Whole [TS]

01:13:50   Foods [TS]

01:13:50   he's he's a you know he's a painted man [TS]

01:13:57   does he just kind of look like a guy [TS]

01:13:59   you'd see at Whole Foods well so Chris [TS]

01:14:02   moved to the most rural place in [TS]

01:14:06   Washington in in western Washington I [TS]

01:14:09   should say there are rural places in [TS]

01:14:10   Eastern Washington that are very rural [TS]

01:14:13   you can get out there where you come [TS]

01:14:15   over the come over the rise and there's [TS]

01:14:17   a happen abandoned houses like Second [TS]

01:14:20   Amendment country it's it's yeah it's [TS]

01:14:22   what it's uh it's the high plains but in [TS]

01:14:25   in the west of Washington there are a [TS]

01:14:28   lot of places where it just rains all [TS]

01:14:31   the time and the main the main cash crop [TS]

01:14:36   is cranberries and there are a lot of [TS]

01:14:39   fishermen that are the kind of fishermen [TS]

01:14:43   that just every time they go out they [TS]

01:14:46   may not come back you know the kind of [TS]

01:14:48   Deadliest Catch they're though they're [TS]

01:14:50   the real crazy ones the ones whose eyes [TS]

01:14:52   are permanently squinty and the wind [TS]

01:14:55   blows all the time and there are there [TS]

01:14:57   shellfish people and they're very [TS]

01:15:00   shellfish but he moved down there and [TS]

01:15:10   bought some land and I know that [TS]

01:15:13   territory pretty well and I can only [TS]

01:15:15   imagine even if you buy the hillsides [TS]

01:15:17   like the ground is always soggy right [TS]

01:15:21   you can never you never really standing [TS]

01:15:23   on hard ground you [TS]

01:15:25   really I bet you really gotta want to [TS]

01:15:26   live there well but but it's kind of [TS]

01:15:28   where he grew up like out in Aberdeen it [TS]

01:15:30   this is this the same country okay [TS]

01:15:32   Aberdeen's were Nirvana started right [TS]

01:15:34   yeah then there's no there's no economy [TS]

01:15:37   I mean there used to be logging but it's [TS]

01:15:39   that's mostly gone and he got so two [TS]

01:15:43   things that he did that I think are [TS]

01:15:44   great one he got his private pilot's [TS]

01:15:46   license that's cool so every time he [TS]

01:15:49   goes I approve of that as an aging rock [TS]

01:15:52   star thing I approve of the pilot's [TS]

01:15:53   license yeah it's great but I mean it's [TS]

01:15:55   not like he has like a Learjet [TS]

01:15:56   he drives a little you know a Cessna 172 [TS]

01:15:58   like me and he when he comes to Seattle [TS]

01:16:04   he flies he flies himself up there and [TS]

01:16:06   it's typical it's great but the other [TS]

01:16:09   thing he did was he got himself elected [TS]

01:16:11   to the Grange the local like agriculture [TS]

01:16:17   board which is cowboy Congress yeah it's [TS]

01:16:22   effectively like the government for the [TS]

01:16:24   region but all it is is they all get [TS]

01:16:25   together in like a hall and argue about [TS]

01:16:29   cranberries but he's like active in [TS]

01:16:33   super local politics like the the local [TS]

01:16:37   politics of this crazy little like way [TS]

01:16:42   west super Lewis & Clark outpost out [TS]

01:16:46   there when I was running for City [TS]

01:16:48   Council he and I talked every week [TS]

01:16:50   because he was really interested in [TS]

01:16:53   Seattle politics and he really wanted he [TS]

01:16:58   really wanted to help me and he really [TS]

01:17:00   wanted to make sure that I had my [TS]

01:17:03   platform straight and 90 percent of the [TS]

01:17:07   the advice he gave me and the stuff he [TS]

01:17:09   wanted to talk about was like dead-on [TS]

01:17:12   all I always bring cupcakes that kind of [TS]

01:17:15   thing well and just like you know you [TS]

01:17:17   need to like I'm kidding but he knows [TS]

01:17:19   where he speaks here because he's dealt [TS]

01:17:21   with ornery characters in a in a small [TS]

01:17:24   town well and people tried to get him to [TS]

01:17:26   there was a brief moment where he was [TS]

01:17:29   put up to run for a national office I [TS]

01:17:35   think either either senator maybe [TS]

01:17:38   governor I forget what it was but he was [TS]

01:17:41   he was proposed as a politician himself [TS]

01:17:46   and I think he got into the race and the [TS]

01:17:50   first press conference he had somebody [TS]

01:17:51   was like so when Kurt Cobain died of [TS]

01:17:53   heroin did that affect your and he was [TS]

01:17:56   like get me out of here yeah and so he [TS]

01:17:59   said that's not for me that world is not [TS]

01:18:01   where I want to be but you know right [TS]

01:18:05   there that's a pretty good example I was [TS]

01:18:07   talking about before yeah I think you [TS]

01:18:09   kind of walked that path a little bit [TS]

01:18:11   too whereas like I have a real clear [TS]

01:18:12   idea of what I could do once I'm in here [TS]

01:18:14   to help this stuff out but boy yeah I [TS]

01:18:15   didn't fight about you you're the poster [TS]

01:18:17   boy for that yeah the whole like oh if [TS]

01:18:19   you don't love this grind doesn't know [TS]

01:18:21   if you're good at the job and like I [TS]

01:18:23   said at the time I think you know it's [TS]

01:18:25   like to be a good city council person [TS]

01:18:27   and to be good at running for City [TS]

01:18:29   Council are two totally different jobs [TS]

01:18:31   and you have to be good at both but to [TS]

01:18:34   get elected all you have to be good at [TS]

01:18:35   is the running part and then once you [TS]

01:18:38   get in is when people decide or discover [TS]

01:18:41   whether or not you're good at the other [TS]

01:18:43   part they just concentrate on the [TS]

01:18:44   Grafton greed there as there are a [TS]

01:18:46   couple of people on the Seattle City [TS]

01:18:48   Council that we're running when I was [TS]

01:18:49   running and one in particular I guess [TS]

01:18:52   who ran and won and then is now on there [TS]

01:18:56   and I think that I don't know if it's [TS]

01:18:58   the consensus yet but I think it's clear [TS]

01:19:00   like oh not as good at it and might have [TS]

01:19:05   been the revolution is not the same as [TS]

01:19:09   running the Banana Republic right ten [TS]

01:19:12   percent of the advice that Chris gave me [TS]

01:19:14   was about cranberry farming which was [TS]

01:19:16   not useful in running for office in [TS]

01:19:19   Seattle did he sound wise he just had [TS]

01:19:22   some stuff that he wanted to make sure [TS]

01:19:23   was on my agenda we don't do as much [TS]

01:19:30   cranberry stuff out here as you guys do [TS]

01:19:33   down there it was not it was not a [TS]

01:19:41   problem because the rest of it advice [TS]

01:19:42   was so good [TS]

01:19:44   but yeah he is a he is a very very very [TS]

01:19:48   unusual man and [TS]

01:19:50   you know like wonderful wonderful I told [TS]

01:19:53   you about the event and where Duff [TS]

01:19:55   McKagan asked him to come interview him [TS]

01:19:58   for the release of Duff's book mm-hmm [TS]

01:20:00   and they showed up and her husband on [TS]

01:20:03   Portlandia I bet he has was the st. [TS]

01:20:06   Vincent one time it's been suggested or [TS]

01:20:08   it's been asked why I was never on [TS]

01:20:10   Portlandia but you know what I didn't do [TS]

01:20:13   I didn't network I didn't write Fred [TS]

01:20:15   Armisen back man hey what's up just [TS]

01:20:18   checking in hey man did I wrote it back [TS]

01:20:22   and I said thank you so much for your [TS]

01:20:23   kind letter and he said no problem and [TS]

01:20:26   then I was like well I don't anything [TS]

01:20:28   else to say to him I know I know it's [TS]

01:20:30   not the worst we could write it back and [TS]

01:20:31   say like I love your your eyes I almost [TS]

01:20:34   I almost wrote the McElroy's this [TS]

01:20:35   morning just to compliment them on their [TS]

01:20:37   Casper add read and then it's like you [TS]

01:20:39   know what they don't need that no but [TS]

01:20:40   you know what they love hearing from you [TS]

01:20:42   because they really admire you I really [TS]

01:20:44   admire them but I thought you know what [TS]

01:20:45   I shouldn't do that cuz when you when [TS]

01:20:47   you contact somebody you make it about [TS]

01:20:48   you unless you're somebody like a Fred [TS]

01:20:50   Armisen who makes about the other person [TS]

01:20:51   that's a nice thing you should write it [TS]

01:20:53   you should write to Reggie Watts [TS]

01:20:58   I've made all the compliments to Reggie [TS]

01:21:01   that that our relationship needs for the [TS]

01:21:08   rest of your relationship [TS]

01:21:09   well maybe not maybe we'll do it [TS]

01:21:11   together and I'll be like that was great [TS]

01:21:13   Reggie mm-hmm but to write him now would [TS]

01:21:16   be he would get the email and he'd be [TS]

01:21:18   like I want what he was like you're [TS]

01:21:22   right Fred Armisen now and say hey yeah [TS]

01:21:25   I mean I think I think the seasons [TS]

01:21:27   already done yeah yeah I know they're [TS]

01:21:29   done they heard an interview with Carey [TS]

01:21:30   yeah that's all over too late for me to [TS]

01:21:32   be on Portlandia just as it's too late [TS]

01:21:34   for me to be on a lot of things oh I [TS]

01:21:41   should have although you know what [TS]

01:21:43   remember it wasn't very long ago when I [TS]

01:21:45   was saying I've never won an award Yeah [TS]

01:21:48   right [TS]

01:21:48   yeah I mean it's kind of it's long I'm [TS]

01:21:51   going lament for you is he's never gone [TS]

01:21:53   one knows it always struck me that it [TS]

01:21:55   wasn't that you felt like maybe I'm [TS]

01:21:57   getting this wrong but it wasn't it [TS]

01:21:58   precisely that you felt like you were do [TS]

01:22:01   an award for a given thing but it was [TS]

01:22:03   bigger subsets of like what the fuck of [TS]

01:22:05   I know gotten award well or like yeah [TS]

01:22:07   right well what would the award be but [TS]

01:22:09   it seems like everybody's got it [TS]

01:22:11   everything gets Awards people get awards [TS]

01:22:13   right in lap you can get a webby you [TS]

01:22:15   know I mean they're just giving this [TS]

01:22:16   shit away [TS]

01:22:16   so I'm sitting at home dude to do to [TS]

01:22:19   doing and the Grammys were on and I knew [TS]

01:22:22   it and so I was avoiding all media [TS]

01:22:24   because who wants that who wants to be [TS]

01:22:28   watching those I'm even on the Grammy [TS]

01:22:30   Board I vote in the Grammys but I don't [TS]

01:22:32   want to watch the show no no thanks but [TS]

01:22:35   then I get a tweet or wait a minute no [TS]

01:22:42   yeah well hmm maybe I got a letter from [TS]

01:22:45   somebody I got a letter from somebody [TS]

01:22:49   and maybe it was a me her so I anyway [TS]

01:22:54   very same she's in on Portlandia yeah I [TS]

01:22:56   know she was in was there other [TS]

01:22:58   housekeeper she was great she was going [TS]

01:23:00   I've seen that episode but I guess all [TS]

01:23:03   of a sudden I'm texting with with Amy [TS]

01:23:05   and she won the Grammy for Best folk [TS]

01:23:09   album really that's amazing yeah [TS]

01:23:13   yeah well I wouldn't have ever thought [TS]

01:23:14   of her as good artist Yeah right right [TS]

01:23:18   like what is a force yes some of their [TS]

01:23:21   categories are a little bit longer the [TS]

01:23:22   tooth but you know but so here she is [TS]

01:23:24   best folk album and I realized as we're [TS]

01:23:28   texting back and forth wait a minute I [TS]

01:23:31   wrote a song on that album oh oh [TS]

01:23:33   and so this isn't an example engraved [TS]

01:23:37   somewhere well this is what I'm [TS]

01:23:39   wondering [TS]

01:23:40   mm-hmm because it's not an example of [TS]

01:23:41   Amy's album winning best packaging which [TS]

01:23:46   is there for the music for the folks it [TS]

01:23:48   look nice it's there for the music and [TS]

01:23:50   so I did not say to Amy where's my [TS]

01:23:55   parade I contacted my people in at the [TS]

01:24:03   Grammys and said asking for a friend [TS]

01:24:07   if hypothetically a the record wins a [TS]

01:24:12   Grammy and you had a Grammy for Best [TS]

01:24:17   in Category and your friend has written [TS]

01:24:21   a song on that record what's the story [TS]

01:24:26   with that yeah I work I know that you [TS]

01:24:28   don't get one of the little gramophones [TS]

01:24:30   one of the gold gramophones but is there [TS]

01:24:34   something and they came back and said [TS]

01:24:37   yes you get a very nice from suitable [TS]

01:24:40   for framing gold embossed certificates [TS]

01:24:43   it says I won or I wrote a song on a [TS]

01:24:46   Grammy winning album the devil you say [TS]

01:24:48   and so all of a sudden it's not quite [TS]

01:24:51   that I won exactly something no no it's [TS]

01:24:55   worse but I did get a certificate mental [TS]

01:24:59   illness a me man [TS]

01:25:00   best folk album yeah she beat out Laura [TS]

01:25:04   Marling off of recs the secret sisters [TS]

01:25:07   and Cat Stevens and Cat Stevens [TS]

01:25:11   he's called youssef slash Cat Stevens [TS]

01:25:13   Kapow [TS]

01:25:15   yeah the Laughing Apple is albums called [TS]

01:25:17   so anyway certificate and then I was [TS]

01:25:21   like well and the thing is Jonathan [TS]

01:25:24   Coulton wrote a couple of songs on that [TS]

01:25:25   record too so he's gonna get a [TS]

01:25:26   certificate it's a little off it doesn't [TS]

01:25:28   it doesn't kind of tarnish his shit [TS]

01:25:30   and he actually his record was nominated [TS]

01:25:33   for wait for it [TS]

01:25:34   best packaging always good packaging and [TS]

01:25:37   he lost my comic book from a fraction [TS]

01:25:40   comic book I think so he's actually [TS]

01:25:44   gonna get another certificate because [TS]

01:25:46   you get a certificate that says I was [TS]

01:25:48   nominated for a Grammy Award so if you [TS]

01:25:51   know once again like his wall of [TS]

01:25:53   diplomas is much better than mine [TS]

01:25:57   see that makes it all so much worse he [TS]

01:25:59   might even get nominated for a Tony [TS]

01:26:00   because he because he wrote some songs [TS]

01:26:05   on the new spongebob musical Oh jiminy [TS]

01:26:09   but wait wait but that's neither here [TS]

01:26:12   nor there what I'm saying is that as I'm [TS]

01:26:15   contemplating receiving this certificate [TS]

01:26:17   which I probably will not open that a [TS]

01:26:24   few years ago Kathleen Edwards won a so [TS]

01:26:27   can [TS]

01:26:28   which is a Canadian a major Canadian [TS]

01:26:32   that's not a canadian award it's a major [TS]

01:26:35   award in canada and she wanted for a [TS]

01:26:38   song that I have a co-write on and it [TS]

01:26:44   was a generous it was generous on her [TS]

01:26:46   part she was sitting in my living room [TS]

01:26:48   and she was like I want you to listen to [TS]

01:26:49   the song and tell me what you think and [TS]

01:26:51   she played it for me on on my piano that [TS]

01:26:54   that my cousin yells about as being a [TS]

01:26:59   weird sounding piano and I said oh well [TS]

01:27:02   that's a great song obviously you're a [TS]

01:27:06   great songwriter and all I would do is [TS]

01:27:08   change this to that and then you should [TS]

01:27:11   add this and take that away and she gave [TS]

01:27:12   you credit for that and she gave me [TS]

01:27:14   songwriting credit honor and you know [TS]

01:27:18   and it has a part that if you listen to [TS]

01:27:19   the song when the part comes you go [TS]

01:27:21   oh that's very mm-hmm John right but you [TS]

01:27:25   know it's a wonder it's a wonderful song [TS]

01:27:28   and it's her song entirely but she gave [TS]

01:27:32   me the songwriting credit and so when [TS]

01:27:34   the SOCAN Awards were announced and the [TS]

01:27:39   award was for best song so it was [TS]

01:27:43   announced that Kathleen Edwards and John [TS]

01:27:45   Roderick won this award so can award [TS]

01:27:48   damn but I was not in Canada and I think [TS]

01:27:53   I don't well so I never wrote them a [TS]

01:27:56   letter saying is there a certificate or [TS]

01:28:01   something yeah do an article yeah just a [TS]

01:28:04   curiosity just asking for a friend [TS]

01:28:06   yeah and so now it occurs to me that I [TS]

01:28:10   have another certificate of [TS]

01:28:12   participation for a thing that I kind of [TS]

01:28:17   was standing next to when someone won [TS]

01:28:20   mm-hmm and now I'm starting to feel like [TS]

01:28:22   well I'm half won a couple of things you [TS]

01:28:26   should you should go back through your [TS]

01:28:27   catalogue and figure out door you know [TS]

01:28:29   just any of your relationships and [TS]

01:28:31   figure out what what else are you owed [TS]

01:28:32   well you know I did sing the background [TS]

01:28:36   harmonies Transatlanticism transplant [TS]

01:28:39   official notes on we'll get one [TS]

01:28:41   - is that gonna make it worse so sure so [TS]

01:28:43   here's what happened Shawn sang on [TS]

01:28:45   several of the songs well maybe not [TS]

01:28:47   several a handful he sang on three or [TS]

01:28:52   something songs on that record Shawn [TS]

01:28:55   does have a gold record on his wall from [TS]

01:29:01   trans Atlantis's Oh God [TS]

01:29:03   now guess who doesn't that's right I [TS]

01:29:11   don't have one and I think it was in the [TS]

01:29:16   when they're sitting there with the [TS]

01:29:18   notepad out who do we send these to [TS]

01:29:25   Shaunie well Shawn was very helpful he [TS]

01:29:28   sang on several songs he pops right to [TS]

01:29:30   the top of the list and let's see if we [TS]

01:29:34   got to give one to the producer and [TS]

01:29:35   fixer and the but Josh and Emily got one [TS]

01:29:41   oh yeah yeah that's right on the wall [TS]

01:29:43   there at bar soup but you know what I [TS]

01:29:45   did was I sang come on really pops yeah [TS]

01:29:53   and there's and I sang another part and [TS]

01:29:55   he just charges sang another one of his [TS]

01:29:57   perfect angelic parts which he does all [TS]

01:29:59   the time that's easy for him and you [TS]

01:30:01   here is his angel he sings like an angel [TS]

01:30:03   he does you brought your your your gut [TS]

01:30:07   rattling just creaking listen to that [TS]

01:30:16   transit land I do not have the thing for [TS]

01:30:23   the wall that then you put you know you [TS]

01:30:25   kind of put it next to the bathroom [TS]

01:30:27   you're like oh that old thing like that [TS]

01:30:28   thing you know you or I could not open [TS]

01:30:31   it and it could be like a gold record [TS]

01:30:33   the idea of your trophy room being [TS]

01:30:36   unopened boxes but with a full display [TS]

01:30:38   case and maybe a bell jar on it and a [TS]

01:30:40   fucking black with a question mark like [TS]

01:30:42   just stuff you've gotten in the mail [TS]

01:30:44   that might be really beautiful [TS]

01:30:53   and mounted things in envelopes see for [TS]

01:30:55   all you know it could be a bigmouth [TS]

01:30:56   Billy bass but could also be a Grammy no [TS]

01:30:59   one saying it's not a Grammy is the [TS]

01:31:02   schrödinger's Grammy well I'm you know [TS]

01:31:04   right in the center a really big box [TS]

01:31:06   that's probably a platinum record from [TS]

01:31:08   Beauty you have to imagine they did very [TS]

01:31:11   well John is a very popular but it was [TS]

01:31:14   popular and and you know wouldn't it [TS]

01:31:17   cost a lot to send like one to everybody [TS]

01:31:20   that worked on us to say how many people [TS]

01:31:22   ended up learning about them because [TS]

01:31:24   they came to see the opening act I think [TS]

01:31:27   it's pretty safe to say how many people [TS]

01:31:29   did because you know we can look at our [TS]

01:31:33   own record sales [TS]

01:31:34   you never know you never know but but [TS]

01:31:38   yeah so I mean so my like my [TS]

01:31:41   metaphysical trophy wall has a lot of [TS]

01:31:46   these like a ward adjacent envelopes [TS]

01:31:49   yeah and I just like and of course now [TS]

01:31:53   we have phony that's the thing see [TS]

01:31:55   somebody went to the trouble yeah an [TS]

01:31:58   award the non-existent award that we [TS]

01:32:01   made up and were mad that we weren't [TS]

01:32:03   nominated for somebody made that real [TS]

01:32:05   Rory made that real he made you the [TS]

01:32:08   headphones you hope you an award was [TS]

01:32:10   literally invented for you not to be [TS]

01:32:13   better yeah although I invented it but [TS]

01:32:17   we invented well you conceptualized it [TS]

01:32:19   that's right but you didn't paint you [TS]

01:32:22   fucking headphones no I didn't take [TS]

01:32:24   headphones and build a phony award yes [TS]

01:32:26   and stuff that guy's the real deal well [TS]

01:32:29   and to be honest those are noise [TS]

01:32:31   protection headphones sue [TS]

01:32:39   you guys just wrap it up and put it away [TS]

01:32:41   why bother my fucking mother [TS]

01:32:41   why bother my fucking mother [TS]

00:00:01   [Music] [TS]

00:00:04   hello hi John [TS]

00:00:06   hi Merlin how's it going good yeah is it [TS]

00:00:12   earlier you ill Oh neither [TS]

00:00:15   oh you okay no no you sound better yeah [TS]

00:00:18   no I I just I did something i I never do [TS]

00:00:22   which is I crammed I crammed that's the [TS]

00:00:26   wrong one I ate I ate some food [TS]

00:00:28   oh gee I ate too warmed up slices of [TS]

00:00:36   pizza mmm [TS]

00:00:38   for breakfast she's microwave for the [TS]

00:00:43   the oven I use the microwave huh [TS]

00:00:48   which is I you know we all know the not [TS]

00:00:51   the best way to put pizza back into [TS]

00:00:53   circulation from cold pizza just fine [TS]

00:00:57   mm-hmm [TS]

00:00:57   some reason I thought just I just [TS]

00:01:01   thought go for it just throw the pizzas [TS]

00:01:03   in the in the microwave and eat them I [TS]

00:01:05   recently acquired some new technology [TS]

00:01:08   that I'm very excited about although I [TS]

00:01:10   have not figured out how fully to [TS]

00:01:12   utilize it yet and I acquired a product [TS]

00:01:16   from the Whirlpool Corporation that [TS]

00:01:19   purports to be a pan touch the pan it's [TS]

00:01:23   a pan that can be used it's basically [TS]

00:01:25   looks like a pizza let's say probably [TS]

00:01:27   like a 12-inch pizza [TS]

00:01:30   dingus what do you call them you know [TS]

00:01:32   talking about pizza pan pizza pan feets [TS]

00:01:34   pan [TS]

00:01:34   but it's treated with some kind of [TS]

00:01:37   aluminium that can be used in the [TS]

00:01:40   microwave oven wait a minute I know see [TS]

00:01:43   this flies in the face of everything [TS]

00:01:44   we've learned this is our culture and [TS]

00:01:45   our heritage is one thing we know yep [TS]

00:01:47   man the moon microwave oven right [TS]

00:01:48   microwave oven cannot heat to the center [TS]

00:01:50   of a lasagna and you can't put a pan in [TS]

00:01:53   a microwave mm-hmm [TS]

00:01:54   you don't don't rollerskate know the [TS]

00:01:56   flow hurt but I got this I've only used [TS]

00:02:00   it once but it purports to crisp up the [TS]

00:02:03   thing that you are heating in the [TS]

00:02:05   microwave Christmas it up now have you [TS]

00:02:08   ever gotten for example like gas station [TS]

00:02:11   french fries that comes in a pack with [TS]

00:02:14   like like a silvery reflective inside [TS]

00:02:17   when you heat it you know that I don't [TS]

00:02:19   eat potatoes [TS]

00:02:20   oh you're aware of judges you just don't [TS]

00:02:23   consume them yeah but I do know about [TS]

00:02:25   the packaging that you're describing the [TS]

00:02:27   the foil inner inner foil yes I mean I'm [TS]

00:02:31   keen to have this happen cuz me I like [TS]

00:02:33   some hot wings [TS]

00:02:34   sometimes when we order a delivery place [TS]

00:02:36   I'll get hot wings just for later kind [TS]

00:02:38   of for the Tavia for me what's the [TS]

00:02:43   problem with a hot wing is you got it [TS]

00:02:45   you got a chicken piece and on the [TS]

00:02:47   inside on the outside you got to get me [TS]

00:02:49   hot sauce and in between you've got some [TS]

00:02:52   crisped up probably flowery coating [TS]

00:02:54   thing and then you heat that in a [TS]

00:02:57   microwave and it's just not that fun [TS]

00:02:59   no it's our job to sell I don't know I [TS]

00:03:02   think I might be this might be something [TS]

00:03:03   you want to look at I am going to [TS]

00:03:06   problem is it is at odds I think I've [TS]

00:03:09   talked I feel like I definitely talked [TS]

00:03:10   about this before but I don't know if [TS]

00:03:12   you know this about me I am a master of [TS]

00:03:13   the microwave particularly with regard [TS]

00:03:16   to using the percentages I'm a [TS]

00:03:18   percentage man on are you really yeah [TS]

00:03:20   you know my whole feeling about it is [TS]

00:03:23   like put it in at a hundred percent [TS]

00:03:25   mm-hmm and it's all a time game just [TS]

00:03:29   saying it's a percentage game it can be [TS]

00:03:31   a percentage game this is not for [TS]

00:03:32   everybody because a lot of people they [TS]

00:03:34   have busy working day lives and they've [TS]

00:03:35   got to get on moving moving to the next [TS]

00:03:37   thing they're mining bitcoins [TS]

00:03:38   they're picking kids up at school [TS]

00:03:39   there's a lot control but so one benefit [TS]

00:03:42   we've got a really high wattage [TS]

00:03:44   microwave that heats stuff super fast so [TS]

00:03:47   like coming [TS]

00:03:48   how many wattage it's over a thousand I [TS]

00:03:50   want to say like 1200 or more but we [TS]

00:03:52   always have to go a little bit south on [TS]

00:03:54   when they tell you like oh do it for [TS]

00:03:56   this long can you get those on the [TS]

00:03:58   street you can get these please 1200 [TS]

00:04:00   mics on the street well you know does [TS]

00:04:02   some aftermarket things to it we [TS]

00:04:04   Ami's and uh yeah yeah so I mean that's [TS]

00:04:11   great if you want to make hot water you [TS]

00:04:14   want pure energy going coursing through [TS]

00:04:17   your water your energy to your energy to [TS]

00:04:20   generate the heats there's nice bullets [TS]

00:04:23   you want that but with a pizza see [TS]

00:04:26   here's the thing with a pizza you put a [TS]

00:04:28   pizza in for a minute yeah that's gonna [TS]

00:04:31   be a very very very hot possibly bernie [TS]

00:04:36   pizza hot wet pizza hot wet pizza I love [TS]

00:04:39   that movie so here's my challenge to you [TS]

00:04:41   is to start so first of all you may know [TS]

00:04:43   for example that for defrosting if you [TS]

00:04:44   don't have an auto defrost if you do [TS]

00:04:46   need to defrost you go for like a ten a [TS]

00:04:48   ten percent that's really yeah cuz the [TS]

00:04:51   problem is what a microwave does [TS]

00:04:53   according to the the technologies and [TS]

00:04:54   books that I have acquired is that it [TS]

00:04:57   cooks from the I believe it cooks I want [TS]

00:05:00   to say from the inside out I'm not sure [TS]

00:05:01   how that were inside out cooks from the [TS]

00:05:05   corner but just something where like [TS]

00:05:06   it's very you know you've had the [TS]

00:05:08   experience certainly of like let's look [TS]

00:05:09   at the lasagna considered was Anya [TS]

00:05:11   consider kids on and when yeah when you [TS]

00:05:14   heat the lasagna you get that thing of [TS]

00:05:16   like one part is scalding and giving you [TS]

00:05:18   mouth meat yeah and another part is like [TS]

00:05:21   actually physically cold still throws [TS]

00:05:23   yeah well okay so here's here's my [TS]

00:05:25   challenge to you consider and consider [TS]

00:05:28   the 40 percent setting all right so if [TS]

00:05:31   you you got a pretty good feel for like [TS]

00:05:33   how long to put something in to heat it [TS]

00:05:34   up thinking about it now I'm thinking [TS]

00:05:37   I'm holding I'm holding the let's say [TS]

00:05:40   what is the thing that I microwaved the [TS]

00:05:42   most that isn't yeah something you know [TS]

00:05:48   some well I have to I have to I have to [TS]

00:05:52   two ways I use the microwave actually [TS]

00:05:54   the thing that I shouldn't have frozen [TS]

00:05:57   that I froze right and now I want to [TS]

00:06:00   bring it back to life you have you [TS]

00:06:01   you're you are kind of a master of the [TS]

00:06:02   freezing process like if you're not sure [TS]

00:06:04   if meats gone bad you put it in the [TS]

00:06:05   freezer right and so I can have that [TS]

00:06:06   later that's right the freeze the [TS]

00:06:08   freezing if it's like if I don't cook [TS]

00:06:10   this today then I then it's going bad [TS]

00:06:13   throw it away yeah put it in the freezer [TS]

00:06:15   and then I'll cook it a year from now [TS]

00:06:16   how do you like me now I like you plenty [TS]

00:06:18   now I think that's a terrific way to go [TS]

00:06:20   and you know that's a little bit of [TS]

00:06:22   mystery yes everything you pull out of [TS]

00:06:24   the freezer which should be you know [TS]

00:06:26   it's it's brand spankin new you know and [TS]

00:06:30   you're you're when you were a kid did [TS]

00:06:32   you ever put batteries in the [TS]

00:06:32   refrigerator to refresh them course okay [TS]

00:06:35   so I don't know if people do that [TS]

00:06:36   anymore it used to be the conventional [TS]

00:06:38   wisdom was now now you can store your [TS]

00:06:40   batteries in the fridge supposedly makes [TS]

00:06:41   them last longer I don't know I don't [TS]

00:06:43   know the kid we take oh we take a 9-volt [TS]

00:06:45   and stick it in there overnight and you [TS]

00:06:46   get a little more juice out of it yeah [TS]

00:06:48   so what I would suggest is this is very [TS]

00:06:51   arbitrary but if you have let's say [TS]

00:06:52   arbitrarily you've got something you [TS]

00:06:54   need to heat up that you feel like is a [TS]

00:06:56   let's say a two-minute heat up try [TS]

00:06:59   having the amount of time and doing it [TS]

00:07:02   at 40% same amount of time but 40% of [TS]

00:07:06   half the amount of time wait whoa no no [TS]

00:07:11   sorry wait a minute I got my math wrong [TS]

00:07:13   okay cut that out when you edit this cut [TS]

00:07:15   that out all right do this almost twice [TS]

00:07:18   as long for 40% and what that does is [TS]

00:07:22   that's gonna let those little waves [TS]

00:07:24   really get in there they're gonna say [TS]

00:07:26   hey buddy you know pump your brakes we [TS]

00:07:28   just need to get real deep into the [TS]

00:07:30   lasagna this is not this is not we're [TS]

00:07:32   not some teenage boy that needs to need [TS]

00:07:34   to bust his nut on this lasagna and and [TS]

00:07:36   you know uh 40 seconds right let's be a [TS]

00:07:39   gentleman about this let's length of [TS]

00:07:41   food accommodate the waves you're just [TS]

00:07:44   gonna slide into there da it's okay [TS]

00:07:46   buddy [TS]

00:07:47   I don't want to see your speed this is [TS]

00:07:48   this is a microwave user this is gonna [TS]

00:07:51   go you tell me if you want to stop right [TS]

00:07:53   so Sam's it's like vibrating I always [TS]

00:07:56   think of a microwave as cooking by like [TS]

00:08:00   by jiggling by vibrating like the [TS]

00:08:03   molecules yeah so it's in the molecule [TS]

00:08:06   [Music] [TS]

00:08:09   but what you're saying is like it's just [TS]

00:08:11   gonna it's gonna tickle its way through [TS]

00:08:13   the outside molecules be like yelling at [TS]

00:08:19   it you know what I'm saying don't yell [TS]

00:08:21   it don't yell at the lasagna anyway I'm [TS]

00:08:23   just tossing this out experiment try it [TS]

00:08:25   try this because I have [TS]

00:08:26   I did this one my daughter frequently my [TS]

00:08:28   daughter will have like two pieces of [TS]

00:08:29   pizza we got leftover pizza she wants to [TS]

00:08:31   snack of course two minutes before [TS]

00:08:32   dinner she has to have a snack which is [TS]

00:08:34   just driving me out of my mind but like [TS]

00:08:36   she gets home from school I'm gonna make [TS]

00:08:37   her some pizza [TS]

00:08:39   I'll do and because we have a super [TS]

00:08:41   strong microwave I'll do maybe 40% for a [TS]

00:08:44   minute 20 see how it is it can always do [TS]

00:08:46   more you can't undo microwave you can [TS]

00:08:48   only do more microwave you can't receive [TS]

00:08:50   there's no at currently with the current [TS]

00:08:52   technology right no way to remove [TS]

00:08:54   microwave [TS]

00:08:54   but you might be amazed it makes it [TS]

00:08:56   really quite nice and what does you know [TS]

00:08:58   it's easy to screw up a pizza it's [TS]

00:09:00   pretty easy to mess up yeah but also [TS]

00:09:02   pizza is just such a throwaway food it's [TS]

00:09:04   like but I noticed this about myself all [TS]

00:09:06   the time I screw up food and then I sit [TS]

00:09:10   and shame eat it you do that now you eat [TS]

00:09:13   it I screwed this up so badly and so now [TS]

00:09:18   what I deserve is to sit alone at the [TS]

00:09:20   end of this table with a napkin tucked [TS]

00:09:22   into my shirt [TS]

00:09:23   and a knife in one hand and a fork in [TS]

00:09:24   the other and just just just eat this [TS]

00:09:30   shit that I just really like misery in [TS]

00:09:35   every bite I do that I learn from it [TS]

00:09:39   John no no that the tragedy is here's [TS]

00:09:43   one of the tragedies I was talking to [TS]

00:09:46   you I think about my inability to cook a [TS]

00:09:48   steak oh yeah very surprising a man [TS]

00:09:53   contacted me here in Seattle and he said [TS]

00:09:57   I'm teaching his cook steak a steak [TS]

00:09:59   cooking class a cook steak in class and [TS]

00:10:02   he said I'd like you to come attending [TS]

00:10:04   the cook steak in class and I said I [TS]

00:10:07   would be so into that and now I just was [TS]

00:10:14   offered a gig at the same time as the [TS]

00:10:18   cooks taking class Oh bummer [TS]

00:10:20   and you know I can partly make my living [TS]

00:10:24   doing gigs gigs are important it's a gig [TS]

00:10:26   economy it's an out of town gig all the [TS]

00:10:29   things that and you know and I'm just [TS]

00:10:32   like I can't see your calendar for that [TS]

00:10:34   stuff it's no good it's no good and I [TS]

00:10:36   just feel I just feel like I [TS]

00:10:39   just put and the thing is he doesn't [TS]

00:10:40   offer this class all the time this is a [TS]

00:10:43   this is a class that just comes up every [TS]

00:10:45   once a while I don't know why he seems [TS]

00:10:48   like he should be able to do it every [TS]

00:10:49   day [TS]

00:10:49   yeah every morning he should wake up in [TS]

00:10:52   the teachers what you just hop on the [TS]

00:10:54   blower [TS]

00:10:54   they have him give a tea and pigs and [TS]

00:10:56   bunnies you think there's something [TS]

00:10:57   where he could just give you the high [TS]

00:10:58   level give you three bullets on a cook's [TS]

00:10:59   taking that means that insulting to to [TS]

00:11:03   his method probably I mean what one time [TS]

00:11:06   I took a am I took an engineering class [TS]

00:11:11   like a like a studio production class [TS]

00:11:13   because I've sat in recording studios a [TS]

00:11:16   hundred times looking over people's [TS]

00:11:18   shoulders asking them questions what are [TS]

00:11:20   you doing there I'm just you know I'm [TS]

00:11:23   changing the Shelf on the loom the bus [TS]

00:11:27   mm-hmm it's like oh you're changing the [TS]

00:11:30   shelf on the bus I don't know and I even [TS]

00:11:32   know what those turns you thinking [TS]

00:11:34   yourself should I be changing the shelf [TS]

00:11:35   on my bus oh shit is exactly right right [TS]

00:11:38   I mean you know like I run my vocals to [TS]

00:11:40   an 1176 I love I love the way the [TS]

00:11:43   machine sounds I I know them intimately [TS]

00:11:47   from staring at them but still every [TS]

00:11:50   single thing that a person does on them [TS]

00:11:52   I have no idea what they're doing [TS]

00:11:54   I'm just looking at this this is the [TS]

00:11:57   1176 L in the classic limiting amplifier [TS]

00:12:00   mmm-hmm oh it's got a lot of knobs John [TS]

00:12:03   but it's a wonderful wonderful machine [TS]

00:12:06   and it has and the thing is it has [TS]

00:12:09   tricks there are tricks you can do on it [TS]

00:12:11   you can push all the buttons in at once [TS]

00:12:14   which everybody agrees is really great [TS]

00:12:16   and so if I owned one they're not cheap [TS]

00:12:19   if I owned one I would put all the [TS]

00:12:21   buttons in at once and I'd leave it [TS]

00:12:24   there and I would find a setting and I [TS]

00:12:26   would just leave it there I would never [TS]

00:12:27   touch it again the problem is and I [TS]

00:12:30   don't know if you encountered this [TS]

00:12:32   because you're somebody that I that [TS]

00:12:35   spend some time understanding them [TS]

00:12:38   architecture and I like to understand [TS]

00:12:41   the architecture well the rules before [TS]

00:12:44   you break them that's right and when [TS]

00:12:46   when a compressor or a limiter is doing [TS]

00:12:50   its job I understand [TS]

00:12:52   in my mind's eye kind of what's [TS]

00:12:56   happening kind of to sound which I kind [TS]

00:13:01   of understand but I cannot quite put [TS]

00:13:05   together you know I am I like a mental [TS]

00:13:08   picture you know I look at the course of [TS]

00:13:10   a year and I have scope it out as a [TS]

00:13:12   geography yeah but I can't quite in all [TS]

00:13:16   the men on a map just give me an idea [TS]

00:13:18   how the terrain works yeah [TS]

00:13:20   but the maps sometimes require maps [TS]

00:13:24   sometimes require that you understand [TS]

00:13:26   the physical property of of the thing [TS]

00:13:28   that you're doing right this is why it's [TS]

00:13:30   so hard to make a map shirt cut yeah [TS]

00:13:36   right so if you don't understand what [TS]

00:13:37   sound is how can you make a map of it [TS]

00:13:40   and how much can you understand what [TS]

00:13:44   sound is unless you really study sound [TS]

00:13:46   you can't just like oh so did some waves [TS]

00:13:49   like yeah alright waves but like sound [TS]

00:13:52   going through a box [TS]

00:13:54   mm-hmm that that's electricity it's one [TS]

00:13:58   of those things were like you when you [TS]

00:14:00   if you try to ask for the short version [TS]

00:14:01   you're gonna find yourself moving up and [TS]

00:14:02   up and up in the stack to like something [TS]

00:14:04   you you thought you knew but didn't [TS]

00:14:06   really understand you need to understand [TS]

00:14:07   before as a predicate like before you [TS]

00:14:09   get to this other thing correct it's the [TS]

00:14:11   predicate what even is sound what it [TS]

00:14:14   what even is it and so you know so I [TS]

00:14:16   said and I'm talking to engineers and [TS]

00:14:18   they're like yeah well you just you know [TS]

00:14:21   it's just yeah yes this is just you just [TS]

00:14:25   put a shelf on the bus and I go I don't [TS]

00:14:28   even yeah okay but what is what am I [TS]

00:14:31   trying for and then then the problem is [TS]

00:14:33   it's all they'll look at you and they're [TS]

00:14:36   just like we'll just do it till it [TS]

00:14:37   sounds good it's like yeah okay but it [TS]

00:14:43   sort of said it sort of sounds [TS]

00:14:45   differently good every direction anyway [TS]

00:14:49   so I took a class from a noted engineer [TS]

00:14:54   producer and it was me and like four [TS]

00:14:57   other people and he walked us through it [TS]

00:15:00   was like three days we I went down and [TS]

00:15:02   stayed in a hotel and poor [TS]

00:15:04   Londyn went to three days worth of being [TS]

00:15:07   in the studio Wow learning all the stuff [TS]

00:15:10   and I came out of there exactly as [TS]

00:15:16   ignorant as I was when I went in and [TS]

00:15:18   through no fault of the class but just [TS]

00:15:24   that there's a fundamental comprehension [TS]

00:15:27   that I am lacking that the class didn't [TS]

00:15:31   address because it's not that wasn't [TS]

00:15:33   under the within the purview of the [TS]

00:15:35   class and I think you went straight into [TS]

00:15:38   algebra 2 yeah yeah it's just like oh [TS]

00:15:41   well here you go [TS]

00:15:42   just run it in here and bust it over [TS]

00:15:44   here and put a shelf on it over here and [TS]

00:15:46   I was still sitting there with a dunce [TS]

00:15:50   cap on going but what is sound huh or [TS]

00:15:53   what are we what are we doing what are [TS]

00:15:57   we manipulating like how does how does [TS]

00:16:00   me going like good job things are gonna [TS]

00:16:04   get easier turn into electricity that [TS]

00:16:08   goes into these things and is [TS]

00:16:10   manipulated by your knobs and out the [TS]

00:16:12   other side I get it I mean I get it I've [TS]

00:16:15   heard it a thousand times but I just [TS]

00:16:16   don't get it I think there's another [TS]

00:16:22   problem [TS]

00:16:22   maybe just because I know so very little [TS]

00:16:24   and all I ever do is twiddle it till it [TS]

00:16:26   sounds good to me [TS]

00:16:27   yeah with my dumb bad ears but like okay [TS]

00:16:30   here's a phenomenon that I used to be on [TS]

00:16:33   one end of and I'm now on the other end [TS]

00:16:35   of used to always be on the end of some [TS]

00:16:37   dingus you came through a phenomenon [TS]

00:16:40   you're on the other end of it well yeah [TS]

00:16:41   and I'm not loving it but but you've [TS]

00:16:43   been on the end of the phenomenon where [TS]

00:16:45   some dingus is using the computer and [TS]

00:16:49   they're not doing it fast enough or [TS]

00:16:51   smart enough for you and you're like no [TS]

00:16:52   no just click click file file not there [TS]

00:16:54   up there click man [TS]

00:16:55   click that click that because for some [TS]

00:16:57   reason when you're driving you're blind [TS]

00:16:59   like you don't see stuff like have you [TS]

00:17:01   ever noticed and so the other end of [TS]

00:17:02   that now is like when I'm using the [TS]

00:17:03   computer my daughter is constantly [TS]

00:17:04   frustrated that I'm not doing the thing [TS]

00:17:06   that she thinks she would do faster I [TS]

00:17:08   think there should be a there's probably [TS]

00:17:09   a name for this but there is a [TS]

00:17:11   phenomenon when somebody else is doing [TS]

00:17:12   the physical enough it's a modal thing [TS]

00:17:14   but when one person is doing a physical [TS]

00:17:16   manipulation the other [TS]

00:17:17   person sees things more clearly right [TS]

00:17:22   and I bet that goes five times more with [TS]

00:17:24   audio we're one nice reason to have [TS]

00:17:26   somebody in the room with you [TS]

00:17:27   engineering is that they are they know [TS]

00:17:31   how that machine works and what sound [TS]

00:17:33   makes and then they you're able to have [TS]

00:17:36   like two sets of years working on it [TS]

00:17:38   yeah do you know what I'm saying though [TS]

00:17:40   absolutely well that's what's wonderful [TS]

00:17:42   about recording for me is that when some [TS]

00:17:46   when some tiny tiny adjustment is made [TS]

00:17:49   to the sound by a knob I perceive it and [TS]

00:17:53   also have an opinion about it and want [TS]

00:17:56   it to be this or that and I know enough [TS]

00:17:58   about the words that I can say Allen [TS]

00:18:01   just put a little bit more shelf on that [TS]

00:18:03   bus mm-hm [TS]

00:18:03   and the engineer is like yep right and [TS]

00:18:06   he does it and it's exact and I was [TS]

00:18:07   right mm-hmm [TS]

00:18:09   I have no idea though what because I'm [TS]

00:18:12   just talking in I'm just making I'm [TS]

00:18:14   casting spells you know I'm like just I [TS]

00:18:17   learned some spells Wizards way and the [TS]

00:18:21   thing is also your quality control gets [TS]

00:18:22   weird because like everybody knows I [TS]

00:18:25   don't know if they still call it this [TS]

00:18:26   but there used to be something called an [TS]

00:18:27   aural enhancer where if you put an aural [TS]

00:18:29   enhancer on something it suddenly sounds [TS]

00:18:31   a lot fresher but you also don't want to [TS]

00:18:34   sound too fresh you don't want to sound [TS]

00:18:35   too [TS]

00:18:36   Arlyn hansteen I'm saying I do that goes [TS]

00:18:40   for compression that echoes for [TS]

00:18:42   equalization that goes for a limiting [TS]

00:18:44   that goes for so many things there's [TS]

00:18:46   another example this has gone around a [TS]

00:18:48   lot over the years where people who [TS]

00:18:49   insist they can tell like tiny [TS]

00:18:50   differences between quality of like [TS]

00:18:52   audio formats they found that you can [TS]

00:18:54   trick almost anybody into thinking [TS]

00:18:56   something sounds better by making it [TS]

00:18:57   slightly louder than the other examples [TS]

00:19:02   that does sound better [TS]

00:19:04   well like the guy I forget exactly there [TS]

00:19:06   was one famous guy maybe nuno [TS]

00:19:08   bettencourt [TS]

00:19:09   or something somebody well who said that [TS]

00:19:14   they forget it wasn't Todd Rundgren but [TS]

00:19:18   somebody liked to put 3/4 used up nine [TS]

00:19:23   volts in their effects boxes because the [TS]

00:19:28   3/4 used up battery [TS]

00:19:31   it's a warmer center you know the French [TS]

00:19:40   battery the sound source battery no [TS]

00:19:41   rattle that's just that's too much but [TS]

00:19:43   we do this all the time in mixing [TS]

00:19:45   records where the record just sounds [TS]

00:19:47   amazing when you your make you sitting [TS]

00:19:49   in the studio you're mixing it through [TS]

00:19:51   your NS tens and which are terrible [TS]

00:19:54   sounding but everybody uses them and [TS]

00:19:56   we're all like that's great and then and [TS]

00:19:58   then the engineer says we'll listen to [TS]

00:20:00   them on headphones and you put the [TS]

00:20:01   headphones on you're like oh no this [TS]

00:20:03   sounds terrible yeah and you cannot just [TS]

00:20:06   mix something hearing it through one [TS]

00:20:09   source and that is the real [TS]

00:20:10   destabilizing thing because you have to [TS]

00:20:13   because mixing is such a delicate art [TS]

00:20:19   and the room and other people's sweat [TS]

00:20:23   and and if you're only listening to like [TS]

00:20:26   one like you meet all the other tracks [TS]

00:20:28   you listen to one on the isolated track [TS]

00:20:30   like you're not going to hear that the [TS]

00:20:31   same way once you bring up the bass and [TS]

00:20:33   the drums stuff like that bringing up [TS]

00:20:35   that bass you know I mean that sounds [TS]

00:20:37   like an obvious thing but that's the [TS]

00:20:38   other thing is like is there's no [TS]

00:20:39   shortcut really to saying like well we [TS]

00:20:41   want to fill the entire musical spectrum [TS]

00:20:43   I mean people I imagine that is very [TS]

00:20:45   intuitive and that you do that once once [TS]

00:20:48   you've got all the levels and sounds [TS]

00:20:49   kind of how you want then the really [TS]

00:20:51   artful thing it seems to me is being [TS]

00:20:52   able to make it all sound good together [TS]

00:20:54   which is almost impossibly hard and you [TS]

00:20:55   fuck yourself up but if you change one [TS]

00:20:57   thing wrong and then you go and listen [TS]

00:20:58   your car and you're like what doesn't [TS]

00:21:00   sound anything like it should sound and [TS]

00:21:01   it's quiet you listen you know that new [TS]

00:21:05   portugal demand song which I'm gonna [TS]

00:21:07   keep referring to because everybody in [TS]

00:21:08   the country's got it stuck in their head [TS]

00:21:10   it's very catchy they're these according [TS]

00:21:11   to my daughter they're the third most [TS]

00:21:13   popular band at her school Wow who are [TS]

00:21:15   the other two she didn't say no kidding [TS]

00:21:18   no but she was listened to in the shower [TS]

00:21:20   i tutored about this a couple weeks ago [TS]

00:21:22   I was like what is that song she's like [TS]

00:21:24   it's par to call the man there's like [TS]

00:21:26   Portugal period though man like it's [TS]

00:21:31   okay it's not at all what I expected I [TS]

00:21:33   thought I was gonna be mopey Portland [TS]

00:21:34   beard music mmm no and they they have [TS]

00:21:37   made quite a bit of like psychedelic [TS]

00:21:39   music I mean it doesn't sound like them [TS]

00:21:40   they're their hit song [TS]

00:21:42   okay Torchic like their music is I I [TS]

00:21:45   think you would like I think you would [TS]

00:21:48   like it they are their Portland there by [TS]

00:21:50   way of by way of Alaska while Scylla [TS]

00:21:53   Alaska so they're from B F motherfucking [TS]

00:21:58   E as we say yes in the north [TS]

00:22:02   like Wasilla now is not the Wasilla of [TS]

00:22:05   their childhoods and certainly not that [TS]

00:22:08   was so low my child got a hell of a flag [TS]

00:22:10   in Wasilla am i in my life [TS]

00:22:13   wha Silla I mean you could you could [TS]

00:22:15   carry a gun into the 7-eleven in Wasilla [TS]

00:22:17   could do that now wow you might be [TS]

00:22:20   [Music] [TS]

00:22:22   working probably it's it's a wide spot [TS]

00:22:25   in the road yeah [TS]

00:22:26   and the road isn't very wide but those [TS]

00:22:29   guys there they're fun they're taking [TS]

00:22:31   the piss but if you listen to the bass [TS]

00:22:33   sound on that track it's already a very [TS]

00:22:38   cool sound coming out of the gate the [TS]

00:22:42   bass has its own tone that's pretty [TS]

00:22:46   unusual for a contemporary pop song and [TS]

00:22:50   and when it comes in the first time I [TS]

00:22:53   really listen to the tune and and I [TS]

00:22:54   heard it start with this bass line my [TS]

00:22:58   feeling was there's no way they're gonna [TS]

00:22:59   be able to sustain that bass sound [TS]

00:23:02   through the track because it's it's a [TS]

00:23:05   very individual bass sound but it's like [TS]

00:23:07   that's not gonna pop that's not gonna [TS]

00:23:09   punch through it's not gonna it's not [TS]

00:23:12   gonna be sufficient because it's such a [TS]

00:23:15   nuance to tone but then in the [TS]

00:23:18   production of the song which I think was [TS]

00:23:21   produced by like Mike D and Danger Mouse [TS]

00:23:27   mm-hmm I mean it's like oh that makes a [TS]

00:23:29   lot of sense something right now it's a [TS]

00:23:33   very unusual bass tone yeah somehow this [TS]

00:23:36   totally is clunky and it's got a little [TS]

00:23:38   bit like a slap back mm-hmm and some hip [TS]

00:23:40   some reverb it's pretty 60 sounding it [TS]

00:23:43   sounds almost like flat wound strings [TS]

00:23:46   and you just wouldn't think that it [TS]

00:23:50   would it would manage on on contemporary [TS]

00:23:52   radio [TS]

00:23:53   but the production is so good that it [TS]

00:23:55   get that that they're able to keep this [TS]

00:23:57   like kind of bass sound going and it's [TS]

00:24:03   and it really propels it really propels [TS]

00:24:05   the song but but it's one thing to get a [TS]

00:24:08   tone like that in the studio and be like [TS]

00:24:10   oh that's a cool bass sound but to [TS]

00:24:13   commit to it stick to it and make it [TS]

00:24:16   work I mean that's that's real artistry [TS]

00:24:20   and it's what distinguishes that song [TS]

00:24:24   from from everything else that's on the [TS]

00:24:26   radio right now which is just like yeah [TS]

00:24:32   excuse me that's Carol that's fine [TS]

00:24:34   microphone you're gonna get that right [TS]

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00:27:38   line and all the great shows and all the [TS]

00:27:48   great shows I have a podcast called [TS]

00:27:52   friendly fire now you might have heard [TS]

00:27:54   about it's a war movie and in the first [TS]

00:27:56   episode apparently I took a bite of [TS]

00:28:01   something or something oh no no I don't [TS]

00:28:04   remember doing this it's very unusual [TS]

00:28:07   for me to have a sandwich [TS]

00:28:10   during the recording you know how do you [TS]

00:28:12   have any recollection of it I have none [TS]

00:28:14   no no recollection but this podcast is [TS]

00:28:17   on the maximum fun dot network [TS]

00:28:20   mmm-hmm and their fans are very [TS]

00:28:22   particular mm-hmm as you may recall [TS]

00:28:25   you've had some you've had some [TS]

00:28:27   association with that yeah that's and [TS]

00:28:30   run-ins with maximum fun I've dealt with [TS]

00:28:31   that over the years oh sure I was [TS]

00:28:33   listening to a maximum fun podcast this [TS]

00:28:35   morning with your with your your tuned [TS]

00:28:37   departure in it [TS]

00:28:37   oh yes the baboons [TS]

00:28:42   and those guys those guys also say their [TS]

00:28:45   fans are very particular [TS]

00:28:47   oh very Hardy that's why they don't use [TS]

00:28:49   Twitter so much anymore oh because they [TS]

00:28:51   get yelled at does Travis need to speak [TS]

00:29:02   in that particularly peak tone quite [TS]

00:29:04   that loudly I got a dear sir really [TS]

00:29:11   yelled at the guy I was like what did [TS]

00:29:13   you intend this service of yeah are you [TS]

00:29:18   trying to make me feel good about five [TS]

00:29:20   times a day John I don't do that it's so [TS]

00:29:23   hard not to I don't usually do it but [TS]

00:29:27   hey that seemed kind of hurtful yeah I'm [TS]

00:29:30   not asking for an apology but like I [TS]

00:29:32   think you didn't realize that what you [TS]

00:29:33   said was a little bit hurtful we had the [TS]

00:29:35   other day somebody loved our recent [TS]

00:29:36   episode of Dubai Friday so much they [TS]

00:29:38   said that from now on Max's father [TS]

00:29:40   should be on instead of Max every [TS]

00:29:42   episode Lal and that's a little bit [TS]

00:29:46   hurtful that's but yeah I know you being [TS]

00:29:48   fun and having fun with that but that's [TS]

00:29:50   a little bit hurtful yeah yeah I yelled [TS]

00:29:53   at this guy for the for the length of [TS]

00:29:55   three tweets dear sir and and he wrote [TS]

00:29:59   back and he was like I thought you would [TS]

00:30:00   think that was funny why not get [TS]

00:30:02   offended Yeah right my god hostility is [TS]

00:30:06   love on Twitter but anyway the fact that [TS]

00:30:10   I apparently took a bite of a sandwich [TS]

00:30:12   and now I've checked with some other [TS]

00:30:13   people that I podcast with and I and I [TS]

00:30:16   need to check in with you but I think [TS]

00:30:18   Dan Benjamin your good friend Dan yeah [TS]

00:30:21   Dan said that on the first podcast I did [TS]

00:30:24   with him I took a bite of a sandwich [TS]

00:30:26   hmm and I'm not sure I believe this I it [TS]

00:30:31   would require that I bring a sandwich [TS]

00:30:34   I'm not here to eat your shorts but I'll [TS]

00:30:36   just tell you that's a reference that [TS]

00:30:38   for one no no I don't think you eat [TS]

00:30:41   sometimes we both drink something I've [TS]

00:30:42   been told that you can hear this a lot [TS]

00:30:44   in my podcasts or better put like you [TS]

00:30:46   hear like a Seltzer cam being put down [TS]

00:30:48   oh I have heard that mmm I tried you [TS]

00:30:51   hear the train in the background I mean [TS]

00:30:53   you might have a squeaky chair you can [TS]

00:30:54   hear that very chair wait but I just [TS]

00:30:59   want to tell you you know you're that's [TS]

00:31:03   snort you just did that is an old-school [TS]

00:31:05   OG b fe d Wasilla jon Roderick's north [TS]

00:31:10   you don't do so much anymore you used to [TS]

00:31:11   be a huge snorter and now you once you [TS]

00:31:13   don't snort you don't you used to snort [TS]

00:31:14   a lot and now you don't snort as much do [TS]

00:31:16   people really I would do a snort I try [TS]

00:31:18   hard not to snort and then sometimes I [TS]

00:31:21   listen back to something especially if [TS]

00:31:22   it's in the kind of informal before or [TS]

00:31:24   after show part that ends up somewhere I [TS]

00:31:30   make a lot of mouth sounds so I you know [TS]

00:31:45   I have a voice that comes from a husky [TS]

00:31:51   place oh yeah yeah it comes sarcophagus [TS]

00:31:56   there's like you're like oh like a plate [TS]

00:31:57   reverb man that's coming from deep [TS]

00:31:59   inside far inside your vessel yeah yeah [TS]

00:32:02   it's a kind of it's a sound it's why I [TS]

00:32:04   don't like the sound of my own voice [TS]

00:32:05   when I hear it because it just sounds [TS]

00:32:08   very there's a lot of other tones in it [TS]

00:32:14   a kind of I hate I hate to use the [TS]

00:32:18   phrase this is one that's gonna haunt me [TS]

00:32:22   but it's it's a little bit flu Matic oh [TS]

00:32:27   you get a little bit rattled [TS]

00:32:30   yeah there's just some there's some self [TS]

00:32:33   ride no no I I have I have pure tone I'm [TS]

00:32:39   not [TS]

00:32:41   right no it's like a natural kind of you [TS]

00:32:49   know amount of something I bring my I [TS]

00:32:52   bring my whole body into the into the [TS]

00:32:54   sound if we recorded it a different time [TS]

00:32:56   of day I'll speak for this program you [TS]

00:32:58   and I would probably have fewer noises [TS]

00:33:00   that we're making a lot of what we're [TS]

00:33:01   making our morning noises or exam we're [TS]

00:33:04   grown men we're grown-ass men and we [TS]

00:33:05   make morning noises I've thought about [TS]

00:33:08   trying to record a song in them in like [TS]

00:33:12   in the early morning because the because [TS]

00:33:15   my voice has a very distinctive tone [TS]

00:33:17   that I would love to capture in a song [TS]

00:33:20   this world-weary yeah and kind of just [TS]

00:33:22   like I could get much lower in the [TS]

00:33:25   morning just get all the Stephen Merritt [TS]

00:33:28   kind of like in probably low voice [TS]

00:33:30   probably but I hear you know I hear [TS]

00:33:34   people you and I both when we start [TS]

00:33:38   sentences sometimes you know we start up [TS]

00:33:40   a little higher and then we come down [TS]

00:33:42   low you're famous up there and then it [TS]

00:33:54   just like a pachinko game it just serves [TS]

00:33:56   if you just didn't like off there you [TS]

00:34:10   hear all those voices in the voice III I [TS]

00:34:15   hear a lot of voiceover work being done [TS]

00:34:18   now I'm conscious of voiceover work and [TS]

00:34:24   and although I do feel that there's [TS]

00:34:28   something like deeply wrong with the [TS]

00:34:30   sound of my voice I when I hear other [TS]

00:34:32   people doing voiceover work I think that [TS]

00:34:35   wait a minute mm-hmm I could certainly [TS]

00:34:37   do that better than them I mean I'd need [TS]

00:34:40   my tooth back Oh is there a certain like [TS]

00:34:42   Jean I think you do great without the [TS]

00:34:44   tooth death is there a certain like [TS]

00:34:45   genre of voiceover work where you feel [TS]

00:34:46   that that's prevalent is this in link [TS]

00:34:48   your first-person shooter games you like [TS]

00:34:49   to play could it be an ad for nachos [TS]

00:34:51   public service announcement overhead at [TS]

00:34:54   the air [TS]

00:34:55   poor like what are the kinds of ones [TS]

00:34:56   that really get your goat I already do [TS]

00:34:58   the overhead at the airport here it's I [TS]

00:34:59   thought I recognized that yeah hi [TS]

00:35:03   welcome to SeaTac Airport [TS]

00:35:04   don't leave your luggage from long [TS]

00:35:09   winter please don't leave your luggage [TS]

00:35:12   unattended by the baggage carousel right [TS]

00:35:14   thank you please move to the right [TS]

00:35:16   faster people to go by on the moving [TS]

00:35:18   sidewalk hi this is John Rutter from the [TS]

00:35:20   long winter there's no parking or [TS]

00:35:22   waiting in the red zone hi [TS]

00:35:26   hi this is John Roberts in long last the [TS]

00:35:28   white area is for loading and unloading [TS]

00:35:32   I feel like who was the guy who was the [TS]

00:35:36   guy from Northern Exposure that does all [TS]

00:35:39   that voice of Hong Kong Vancouver no the [TS]

00:35:41   other guy John John Corbett John Corbett [TS]

00:35:45   he's the radio boy radio show on I think [TS]

00:35:50   he had the radio she's on Corvis I don't [TS]

00:35:52   know it's been a long time since I saw [TS]

00:35:53   that TV I just like saying hauling [TS]

00:35:55   vanqor [TS]

00:35:56   which one was he oh he's the older fella [TS]

00:35:58   with the money the one that's like in [TS]

00:36:02   all the movies [TS]

00:36:04   he's the movie star he plays the millet [TS]

00:36:07   he plays the millionaire the astronaut [TS]

00:36:09   is that my getting the name right what's [TS]

00:36:12   in here Master Hung we're hauling van [TS]

00:36:14   cool naturalized citizen owns and [TS]

00:36:17   manages the brick a barn restaurant [TS]

00:36:19   which is the center of social life and [TS]

00:36:20   says no that's a different that's a [TS]

00:36:22   different one he's the he's the blondie [TS]

00:36:23   guy he's not the you know who's the old [TS]

00:36:26   guy that played the general in war game [TS]

00:36:28   so am I thinking of yeah all right [TS]

00:36:29   that's the guy that I'm thinking of war [TS]

00:36:31   games oh yeah that guy what's his name [TS]

00:36:33   war games anyway continue so John [TS]

00:36:37   Corbett does a lot of I don't know I [TS]

00:36:40   hear his voice doing beer ads and and [TS]

00:36:42   but but he's got that kind of wry like [TS]

00:36:45   Tom bode a sort of like we'll leave the [TS]

00:36:48   light on for you like folksy sort of I [TS]

00:36:51   feel like if you needed a folksy voice I [TS]

00:36:54   feel like do I have a folksy boys oh I [TS]

00:36:57   think you're good and folksy if you [TS]

00:36:59   choose to well yeah I mean you know hi [TS]

00:37:03   this is John Roderick and [TS]

00:37:07   that's chilling break down the tracks [TS]

00:37:36   getting my van John Corbett is six foot [TS]

00:37:51   five inches tall it's all he's made of [TS]

00:37:54   bo Derek know he's dog he's been Bo [TS]

00:37:57   Derek since 2002 that can't be true [TS]

00:38:00   what's in the internet science page it [TS]

00:38:03   says it look at that sold in the 90s [TS]

00:38:08   when they were making that show they [TS]

00:38:12   were you know they were filming that [TS]

00:38:14   right here in in good old Seattle town [TS]

00:38:16   right right outside of town right [TS]

00:38:18   outside of town up in the mountains and [TS]

00:38:21   so he was around and I think he bought a [TS]

00:38:24   bar here in Seattle I think he bought [TS]

00:38:26   the the merchants cafe or something one [TS]

00:38:29   of those old one of the bars from the [TS]

00:38:31   school it was cools that there was you [TS]

00:38:34   know that there was a lot of scuttlebutt [TS]

00:38:36   around town about him and sort of the [TS]

00:38:40   fact that he was you know he was sowing [TS]

00:38:42   his Wild Oats but it was the 90s he was [TS]

00:38:45   TV star he's born in 1961 meaning he was [TS]

00:38:49   30 in 1991 he was at the peak of his [TS]

00:38:54   fame I bet he was I bet he was causing [TS]

00:38:57   real trouble around here get more tail [TS]

00:38:59   than Sinatra but you know I wasn't I [TS]

00:39:02   wasn't I wasn't traveling in those [TS]

00:39:04   circles so Bo Derek's five years old he [TS]

00:39:08   is that he's 56 she's 61 I would have [TS]

00:39:11   guessed that she's 82 well you know I'm [TS]

00:39:14   sure during the peak of her fame 1979 [TS]

00:39:18   huh she would have been ma'am what what [TS]

00:39:22   would she have been she would have been [TS]

00:39:23   31 Alexa how old was Bo Derek in 1979 [TS]

00:39:36   Thanks [TS]

00:39:37   how old 32 years 22 wait a minute [TS]

00:39:41   that right yeah oh yeah okay 22 22 23 [TS]

00:39:45   according to uh the lady at two right so [TS]

00:39:47   you know if you're gonna be in a movie [TS]

00:39:49   and run on a beach in slow motion in a [TS]

00:39:51   bikini 20 22 is kind of like that's an [TS]

00:39:55   excellent beach running age yeah that's [TS]

00:39:57   a good window for that and somehow John [TS]

00:40:04   Corbett and Bo Derek met one another [TS]

00:40:07   that's what I'm curious about like how [TS]

00:40:10   yeah I would have guessed that they were [TS]

00:40:11   40 years apart 30 years apart yeah not [TS]

00:40:15   much John moved to Germany returned [TS]

00:40:18   after wait a minute what oh that's John [TS]

00:40:21   Derek okay hang on okay John Corbett oh [TS]

00:40:24   she only marries John so far hey heads [TS]

00:40:27   up she marries John's wait a minute [TS]

00:40:31   mm-hmm I'm still you know I still feel [TS]

00:40:33   like Winona Ryder and I have a future [TS]

00:40:35   together because in 1992 yeah all the [TS]

00:40:39   John's were marrying Winona Ryder Oh [TS]

00:40:41   actor singer guitarist okay I'm a little [TS]

00:40:45   bit lost [TS]

00:40:46   so voiceover work your sarcophaga rattle [TS]

00:40:51   but the thing about voiceover work is [TS]

00:40:53   it's like all work I don't know if you [TS]

00:40:55   know this about work ten about work [TS]

00:40:57   there are a lot of people that want it [TS]

00:40:59   oh I see is always somebody hungrier [TS]

00:41:01   yeah people want to work and you know I [TS]

00:41:04   had quite a few friends from Seattle who [TS]

00:41:08   reached the age of let's say 28 and they [TS]

00:41:12   felt like Seattle was too small for them [TS]

00:41:15   and they moved they moved to other [TS]

00:41:18   places for instance Reggie Watts [TS]

00:41:19   Reginald Watts was a see a former [TS]

00:41:23   nemesis yeah that's right one uh one of [TS]

00:41:26   you know he was a Seattle star he [TS]

00:41:31   a band called Maktoob that's German for [TS]

00:41:36   more tube more tube more two more tub [TS]

00:41:40   and he he lorded it around Seattle [TS]

00:41:43   pretty good but then he decided that [TS]

00:41:45   this town was too small and he makes in [TS]

00:41:47   New York and it turns out he was correct [TS]

00:41:49   and I remember saying to him even when [TS]

00:41:53   he was my nemesis I heard that he was [TS]

00:41:59   moving to New York and we bumped into [TS]

00:42:03   each other in a party in one of those [TS]

00:42:05   situations where I was I went around a [TS]

00:42:07   corner and he was coming around the [TS]

00:42:08   other corner and we literally went like [TS]

00:42:10   clunk huh [TS]

00:42:11   and then we're standing there and they [TS]

00:42:13   got to talk and there's that there's [TS]

00:42:15   still that whole business between us yes [TS]

00:42:17   and so we're standing there looking at [TS]

00:42:20   each other and I said in a way that I [TS]

00:42:23   think I thought at the time was very [TS]

00:42:24   generous now I realize it's a kind of [TS]

00:42:27   generosity that you know everybody's got [TS]

00:42:31   a different kind of generosity oh and [TS]

00:42:35   and one of the generosities that I have [TS]

00:42:37   is that I like to give shout outs to [TS]

00:42:39   people I know people that don't give [TS]

00:42:42   shout outs and they always wonder why it [TS]

00:42:46   doesn't cost you anything to say hey [TS]

00:42:48   this person helped me or hey I wouldn't [TS]

00:42:51   be here if it weren't for this or that [TS]

00:42:53   the other kind of shout out I give is [TS]

00:42:55   the small one the personal one between [TS]

00:42:57   two people where I go you know what even [TS]

00:42:59   though I don't like you [TS]

00:43:00   I admire your thing mm-hmm and so Reggie [TS]

00:43:03   man were standing there at this party [TS]

00:43:05   and looking at each other and I said you [TS]

00:43:07   know Reggie I hear you're moving to New [TS]

00:43:08   York and frankly I think Seattle's too [TS]

00:43:11   small for you I think I think you're [TS]

00:43:13   bigger than this town and I think moving [TS]

00:43:15   teen works boat moving to New York's the [TS]

00:43:16   right move and he was surprised because [TS]

00:43:20   I also could have said Reginald and gone [TS]

00:43:24   around him and I think that that that [TS]

00:43:29   let us part on good terms [TS]

00:43:31   yeah I feel like he was he was accepting [TS]

00:43:34   of that as a kind of compliment I think [TS]

00:43:36   here I think he appreciated it yes [TS]

00:43:38   because he was you know he was on the [TS]

00:43:40   cusp of making that move and was [TS]

00:43:41   probably anxious about it because now [TS]

00:43:44   when we [TS]

00:43:44   each other it's it's uh you know that's [TS]

00:43:48   long time ago but I had and not I we had [TS]

00:43:53   he and I even had mutual friends who [TS]

00:43:57   moved to LA during that same time too [TS]

00:44:00   because see how they felt Seattle was [TS]

00:44:02   too small for them and they were gonna [TS]

00:44:03   go down there to LA and become a [TS]

00:44:06   Couture's huh you got a ghost you're [TS]

00:44:09   gonna play you're gonna play in big show [TS]

00:44:11   you got to go to LA that's right you [TS]

00:44:12   hear that hear that train no I just [TS]

00:44:16   talked to some people the other day in [TS]

00:44:18   San Francisco who said they're rock [TS]

00:44:20   musicians to chew and I talked about [TS]

00:44:21   this who said that you can't be a rock [TS]

00:44:23   musician in San Francisco all right East [TS]

00:44:25   Bay right you get well no you got to go [TS]

00:44:27   move to LA oh I see how however LA has [TS]

00:44:30   no clubs and San Francisco still [TS]

00:44:33   inexplicably although no rock scene [TS]

00:44:35   anymore still has rock clubs I could not [TS]

00:44:38   name a San Francisco band right now yeah [TS]

00:44:43   isn't that a tragedy part of it's me and [TS]

00:44:45   my age and I don't go to bottom of the [TS]

00:44:46   hill anymore but there's a time when [TS]

00:44:50   there was like a dozen bands that I [TS]

00:44:51   follow I very actively for sure oh no [TS]

00:44:53   you were like mr. sandwich I mobbed up [TS]

00:44:55   you gotta get that you got the very [TS]

00:44:56   slice you got orange or you got Beulah [TS]

00:44:58   you didn't researches so many good bands [TS]

00:45:00   in the early 2000s mm-hmm actions black [TS]

00:45:03   action slacks you know I went to school [TS]

00:45:05   with their drummer but San Francisco [TS]

00:45:13   still has all these rock clubs so the [TS]

00:45:15   the San Francisco music scene right now [TS]

00:45:16   I think is just the LA music scene just [TS]

00:45:19   as easy for them to go up there and play [TS]

00:45:21   shows like you know the kind of shows [TS]

00:45:24   that you play when you're in a band [TS]

00:45:25   which is not always a full venue you [TS]

00:45:28   want a place that has 200 capacity where [TS]

00:45:32   if there's only a hundred people there [TS]

00:45:34   it still feels like a good room and so [TS]

00:45:37   there are a lot of those kind of bands [TS]

00:45:38   in LA that that go up in play shows [TS]

00:45:40   anyway so a lot of I have I have a [TS]

00:45:43   pretty good handful of friends that went [TS]

00:45:44   down to Los Angeles to become actors can [TS]

00:45:47   you can you would give a redacted [TS]

00:45:49   version of how that went mostly well it [TS]

00:45:54   was a time I think where there was a [TS]

00:45:56   feeling that scat [TS]

00:45:57   comedy was gonna be a thing that that [TS]

00:46:01   came out of LA instead of out of New [TS]

00:46:03   York and so there were some edgy sketch [TS]

00:46:07   people that went down and the edgy [TS]

00:46:12   sketch people very quickly transitioned [TS]

00:46:15   to I hope I can get a role in this [TS]

00:46:18   commercial for Kodak right and then [TS]

00:46:22   pretty soon they were just auditioning [TS]

00:46:24   for anything and even though there were [TS]

00:46:26   Lux 32 they were like trying to get the [TS]

00:46:30   role of the dad in the in the Palmolive [TS]

00:46:33   man and then pretty soon they were [TS]

00:46:36   waiters yeah and or just each a live [TS]

00:46:42   even on a good day on a good day [TS]

00:46:44   geez and what they would say is for [TS]

00:46:46   every role that I would go audition for [TS]

00:46:49   there were dozens not only dozens of [TS]

00:46:51   people looking for that job but dozens [TS]

00:46:54   of more handsome better educated younger [TS]

00:47:01   hungrier people looking for the job and [TS]

00:47:06   it was and it just felt like wow up in [TS]

00:47:08   Seattle I was kind of a big deal yeah [TS]

00:47:10   yeah yeah yeah I had a theatre company [TS]

00:47:12   we had our own space we were called [TS]

00:47:15   David Sedaris has a hilarious bit about [TS]

00:47:16   this from a million years ago we talked [TS]

00:47:18   about when he was in high school and I [TS]

00:47:20   think North Carolina you know he was [TS]

00:47:22   like the mopey goth kid mm-hmm like the [TS]

00:47:25   smart mopey like ooh that guy's dark and [TS]

00:47:27   dangerous and then he's like he's like I [TS]

00:47:29   went to college and I'm paraphrasing [TS]

00:47:31   here but something like he went to [TS]

00:47:32   college and like there were so many more [TS]

00:47:34   of him who were better at it than him [TS]

00:47:37   mm-hmm it sucks [TS]

00:47:39   cuz that's your deal you got your deal [TS]

00:47:41   like in high school you get to have a [TS]

00:47:42   deal yes you get a deal I mean [TS]

00:47:44   especially like you could you could go [TS]

00:47:46   paint and paint a skull on your jean [TS]

00:47:49   jacket with the liquid paper you're [TS]

00:47:50   probably the only guy that did that I [TS]

00:47:51   was the only guy in Anchorage that did [TS]

00:47:53   that yeah you come down to Seattle [TS]

00:47:55   everybody paper I always felt like it [TS]

00:47:59   was a big advantage to me to go to [TS]

00:48:02   Gonzaga for a couple of years because [TS]

00:48:06   that was during a period of my life when [TS]

00:48:08   my only goal [TS]

00:48:11   was to be the one the furthest on the [TS]

00:48:15   fringe and in Spokane and particularly [TS]

00:48:19   at Gonzaga at a Catholic University a [TS]

00:48:23   Jesuit school with a undergraduate [TS]

00:48:25   population of 2,500 kids it was not much [TS]

00:48:30   effort to be the one that was the [TS]

00:48:33   farthest out and there you know there [TS]

00:48:37   are always going to be people that are [TS]

00:48:38   further out in in one direction or [TS]

00:48:41   another they're always there were always [TS]

00:48:43   people that took more drugs than me [TS]

00:48:45   right or that were more like strictly [TS]

00:48:51   edgy mm-hmm [TS]

00:48:53   but in terms of being one person that [TS]

00:48:56   was the furthest out from the from the [TS]

00:49:00   center whilst still being in the orbit [TS]

00:49:04   like that was easy to be for me income [TS]

00:49:07   at Gonzaga if I'd been at the University [TS]

00:49:11   of Washington which had 40,000 students [TS]

00:49:13   at that time to be that person I would [TS]

00:49:16   have had to have been a lot more at risk [TS]

00:49:21   of injury first of all because I you [TS]

00:49:26   know I would walk into a party at [TS]

00:49:27   Gonzaga and dude dude just that stupid [TS]

00:49:29   shit you just like break a wine bottle [TS]

00:49:31   over your head it's much harder to do [TS]

00:49:34   than it seems it hurts a lot more [TS]

00:49:37   because in the movies of course they're [TS]

00:49:39   make they use wine bottles that are made [TS]

00:49:41   to break didn't they make amount of [TS]

00:49:42   sugar making out of sugar [TS]

00:49:44   they don't make real wine bottles out of [TS]

00:49:46   sugar you can really knock yourself out [TS]

00:49:48   be an unexploited opportunity let's be [TS]

00:49:50   honest but at you know like on [TS]

00:49:52   University Avenue I would have it would [TS]

00:49:55   have I would have been even worse off [TS]

00:49:57   than I am I would have been missing more [TS]

00:49:59   teeth than I am you know and so to be in [TS]

00:50:04   that to be innocent speed the the weird [TS]

00:50:06   fish in a small pond helped me I think a [TS]

00:50:12   lot protected me and it is like being [TS]

00:50:16   the edgy goth kid at your high school [TS]

00:50:18   where you're just like it keeps you [TS]

00:50:21   keeps you safe I think [TS]

00:50:23   if I'd gone to LA or even San Francisco [TS]

00:50:26   certainly New York it would have been a [TS]

00:50:29   very different thing for me I think [TS]

00:50:32   because the first time the long winters [TS]

00:50:34   arrived in New York City we had a big [TS]

00:50:37   article in The Village Voice we played a [TS]

00:50:42   show our first ever show in New York and [TS]

00:50:44   it was full and the audience all knew [TS]

00:50:47   our songs and I think it was because we [TS]

00:50:50   were from Seattle we were exotic if we'd [TS]

00:50:55   been in New York band right we would [TS]

00:50:58   have just been just another New York [TS]

00:51:01   band to them but but now you know we [TS]

00:51:06   live out on the west coast and now it's [TS]

00:51:08   like I walk around and go oh hey this [TS]

00:51:14   broader problem with expertise [TS]

00:51:18   experience and how we evaluate how we're [TS]

00:51:21   doing whatever it is that we do which is [TS]

00:51:22   like you know when I was a weird like [TS]

00:51:25   eighth grader making up my own games [TS]

00:51:28   that I could play by myself and and [TS]

00:51:30   reading books and like I had to sell my [TS]

00:51:32   own kind of self-assumed self-assess [TS]

00:51:34   idea of like how smart I was alongside [TS]

00:51:37   other people like I tested well and I [TS]

00:51:39   was a reader and there's all this stuff [TS]

00:51:40   but like if you expose if I've been [TS]

00:51:42   exposed to a lot of like genuinely smart [TS]

00:51:44   people maybe even people who are younger [TS]

00:51:46   than me I would have utterly wither and [TS]

00:51:48   I think when you get to something like [TS]

00:51:49   the business that is show and it's not [TS]

00:51:51   your friend it's show business I thought [TS]

00:51:53   one of the things with that is like I [TS]

00:51:55   feel I don't know I just feel like this [TS]

00:51:56   is such a thing with people who want to [TS]

00:51:58   go into the arts especially is that um [TS]

00:52:01   being well let's even say you're [TS]

00:52:03   talented like you're empirically [TS]

00:52:04   talented well there's a lot of people [TS]

00:52:06   who are empirically talented there has [TS]

00:52:08   to be some kind of and I feel you really [TS]

00:52:11   see this in New York whether you're [TS]

00:52:13   talking about being in plays or [TS]

00:52:14   delivering pizzas there's a certain kind [TS]

00:52:16   of bare-knuckle real world reality to [TS]

00:52:20   having done something a lot in a certain [TS]

00:52:22   place certainly you could look at [TS]

00:52:23   something like stand-up comedy and [TS]

00:52:24   somebody you know somebody who assumes [TS]

00:52:26   that they're really great at stand-up [TS]

00:52:27   versus somebody who's done it even like [TS]

00:52:29   20 times like there's a huge difference [TS]

00:52:31   and I guess I feel like a lot of it [TS]

00:52:33   comes down to not just whether you're [TS]

00:52:34   good whether you assess that you're good [TS]

00:52:36   how much you love and like thrive on the [TS]

00:52:40   grind of whatever that industry or job [TS]

00:52:43   is right and I think this goes for like [TS]

00:52:46   a million things like you don't you [TS]

00:52:47   think you want to become like what you [TS]

00:52:50   know you don't realize like working a [TS]

00:52:51   lot of working in an office is not the [TS]

00:52:53   practition of your skill that you [TS]

00:52:55   learned it's learning how to deal with [TS]

00:52:57   people and being on time for meetings [TS]

00:52:59   and being in your chair and all this [TS]

00:53:00   kind of stuff where it's like well you [TS]

00:53:02   know it's without having on-the-job [TS]

00:53:05   experience and exposure to the reality [TS]

00:53:08   of a job I guess what I'm saying is [TS]

00:53:10   somebody who's great at the hustle in LA [TS]

00:53:12   I'm gonna conjecture and who has the [TS]

00:53:14   right agent might get way better roles [TS]

00:53:16   than somebody who's empirically talented [TS]

00:53:18   but it's not great at the hustle it's [TS]

00:53:19   absolutely the case and obvious the [TS]

00:53:22   point I feel like you can really lose [TS]

00:53:23   this and the lights is that like the [TS]

00:53:25   reality of every job is and it's not [TS]

00:53:27   doesn't just come down to hustle but [TS]

00:53:29   it's something where you're like you're [TS]

00:53:31   I don't know maybe invigorated by all [TS]

00:53:33   the losses somehow I but like there's [TS]

00:53:35   got to be something more like if you [TS]

00:53:36   look at everybody else in that audition [TS]

00:53:38   and you go like all these people are you [TS]

00:53:40   know were they're less experienced [TS]

00:53:41   they're done in a but like they may have [TS]

00:53:43   some kind of a fire or grit that you [TS]

00:53:47   just don't have that is utterly critical [TS]

00:53:49   for even getting your first role the the [TS]

00:53:52   when you're young and starting out I [TS]

00:53:56   think it's easy to make the mistake of [TS]

00:54:00   thinking that the people that that what [TS]

00:54:03   happens is people with hustle get past [TS]

00:54:07   you even though you have more talent but [TS]

00:54:11   when you get old I think at least in [TS]

00:54:13   show friends [TS]

00:54:14   I mean Oh show business sorry Sean we [TS]

00:54:17   got that wrong I always get that mixed [TS]

00:54:18   up you realize that the people that get [TS]

00:54:22   past you are the ones that have hustle [TS]

00:54:24   and more talent like it's very rare [TS]

00:54:28   somebody said this to me the other day [TS]

00:54:29   did it bother you does it still bother [TS]

00:54:31   you that all those it was a person that [TS]

00:54:34   was trying to compliment me about the [TS]

00:54:36   sound of my band and they were like well [TS]

00:54:38   you know I love your band so much does [TS]

00:54:39   it bother you that all those other [TS]

00:54:41   people got famous and there was [TS]

00:54:43   something about the long winners that [TS]

00:54:45   didn't catch fire [TS]

00:54:46   does that like bother you and I said do [TS]

00:54:49   you mean [TS]

00:54:50   that it bothers me that the New [TS]

00:54:52   Pornographers and spoon and Band of [TS]

00:54:55   Horses and the Decembrists all got [TS]

00:54:58   famous and not me because those bands [TS]

00:55:00   are all great mm-hmm like they're not I [TS]

00:55:03   don't think that Band of Horses got [TS]

00:55:05   famous and the long winners didn't and [TS]

00:55:07   it was because they hustled it's because [TS]

00:55:09   they're because which put a lucky spell [TS]

00:55:12   on them it's cuz they worked really hard [TS]

00:55:14   I mean they were killers like just keep [TS]

00:55:17   the spoon the same thing I mean they [TS]

00:55:19   just work you know to me though great [TS]

00:55:21   example is always mountain goats we're [TS]

00:55:22   like they just keep putting out records [TS]

00:55:24   and touring and that's today yeah I mean [TS]

00:55:26   like I mean one way to like get lucky is [TS]

00:55:30   to work like fucking hard [TS]

00:55:31   well a mountain goats are mountain goats [TS]

00:55:33   are an interesting example because [TS]

00:55:36   people love them I know you love them I [TS]

00:55:40   haven't kept as much lately but I have [TS]

00:55:42   great admiration for them yeah and I [TS]

00:55:45   never liked them mm-hmm I just don't [TS]

00:55:47   wall I get it's not my it's not my thing [TS]

00:55:49   I don't like the sound and so that is an [TS]

00:55:53   example of one where I go in a weak [TS]

00:55:56   moment I will say well yeah if you put [TS]

00:55:58   out 40 records or whatever people will [TS]

00:56:02   stick with you but when I hear people [TS]

00:56:05   talk about them so worshipfully I also [TS]

00:56:08   have to realize oh that's just not I'm [TS]

00:56:11   not hearing it it's not that it's not [TS]

00:56:13   there might be Ted Leo that works really [TS]

00:56:19   hard he works really hard and Ted also [TS]

00:56:23   during the authenticity Wars Ted [TS]

00:56:26   maintains this authenticity in a way [TS]

00:56:30   that I thought with your father in the [TS]

00:56:33   authenticity Wars it's very hard you I [TS]

00:56:36   mean Ted worked hard also to maintain [TS]

00:56:39   unimpeachable 'ti in the Fugazi model [TS]

00:56:43   where you go look those guys never they [TS]

00:56:47   never doesn't chisel a DC band yeah and [TS]

00:56:51   oh baby see he was from I listened to an [TS]

00:56:56   interview with him recently it was [TS]

00:56:57   really good but he talked about leaving [TS]

00:56:59   he's from Connecticut write it somewhere [TS]

00:57:02   new [TS]

00:57:03   in New England and then he had moved oh [TS]

00:57:06   no he's from Jersey I think baby oh I [TS]

00:57:08   think you're he's in he's in Providence [TS]

00:57:11   now yeah don't be creepy but he's from [TS]

00:57:14   outside problem mm-hmm he owns a little [TS]

00:57:17   church he owns his own church not really [TS]

00:57:20   a church it's more of a Grange Hall hmm [TS]

00:57:23   in a little old town I took you off your [TS]

00:57:25   point when people ask you how you feel [TS]

00:57:28   about the fact that the long winters [TS]

00:57:31   aren't famouser alongside bands that you [TS]

00:57:34   kind of came up with how do you feel [TS]

00:57:35   about that but what what ends up [TS]

00:57:37   happening is in the middle in the young [TS]

00:57:39   middle of my career there were all kinds [TS]

00:57:42   of bands that had the same amount or [TS]

00:57:44   slightly more juice and energy in the [TS]

00:57:50   local scene and in the sort of cmj [TS]

00:57:54   dominated indie rock music scene [TS]

00:57:58   nationally that I did feel that way [TS]

00:58:00   about like why the hell are those guys [TS]

00:58:01   getting a 1-page in magnet but the fact [TS]

00:58:06   is I had a one page in magnet I had a [TS]

00:58:09   three page in magnet but the bands that [TS]

00:58:15   one out because those bands are gone now [TS]

00:58:17   hey Joe here's much from not a surf [TS]

00:58:19   these days do you still doing it they're [TS]

00:58:22   still doing it right they're on tour in [TS]

00:58:23   Europe right now yeah but not a circus a [TS]

00:58:26   good example like they were like to me [TS]

00:58:29   maybe because I just had bar sook on the [TS]

00:58:30   brain but like there was that time when [TS]

00:58:33   like you know when let go mmm [TS]

00:58:36   came out were like they were just [TS]

00:58:38   omnipresent in my circles yeah and they [TS]

00:58:41   are they always sold more records than [TS]

00:58:43   we did and I think they're a better band [TS]

00:58:44   that we were in in all of the [TS]

00:58:47   measurements of a band their live show [TS]

00:58:49   we tell the drummer worked harder than [TS]

00:58:51   we did their songs were catch here you [TS]

00:58:55   could you know you can go back and forth [TS]

00:58:57   all day I think your songs are pretty [TS]

00:58:59   good John I got to tell you you you [TS]

00:59:00   could put but I mean you put the best 10 [TS]

00:59:03   AC Newman songs up on the big board yeah [TS]

00:59:08   your catalog has got a lot of diversity [TS]

00:59:10   to it I was singing your praises on a [TS]

00:59:12   podcast that'll come out Thursday about [TS]

00:59:15   like just the the [TS]

00:59:17   I'm not here to blow smoke up your skirt [TS]

00:59:19   but like no I think you what you have [TS]

00:59:21   released is very super interesting and [TS]

00:59:24   diverse and very high quality and like [TS]

00:59:26   your song writing is really really good [TS]

00:59:28   that's what attractions to you as a [TS]

00:59:30   performers you just saw your songs are [TS]

00:59:32   just so good this is a this is an issue [TS]

00:59:35   though I think in a band because I like [TS]

00:59:38   I like not a surf a lot but I think [TS]

00:59:41   their five best-known songs are not as [TS]

00:59:43   good as your five best non songs I like [TS]

00:59:45   them a lot don't get me wrong but their [TS]

00:59:47   songs are their songs sound like not a [TS]

00:59:51   surf song that's true like The Strokes [TS]

00:59:53   have no diversity what eighth notes [TS]

00:59:56   they're into the eighth notes in their [TS]

00:59:58   sounds all their songs [TS]