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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 275: "I Want an Adult"

 

01:00:00   what are you paying for the place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:05   exactly where are we staying yeah am I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:08   staying with you that only happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:13   because in that four months she and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:15   talked on Twitter with a bunch of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:18   people who were also fun and funny all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20   day you know by the time she made that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   phone call we knew each other yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:25   and what when would that have ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   happened before you know so anyway this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   proposal was like why don't we just buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:32   it and and declare it a UNESCO site and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:36   we'll govern it and we won't let Nazis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:41   and we won't let boobs and butts and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:45   will restore it to what it was which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:49   like a like a true human accomplishment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:52   and every was like between a national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:55   park and a Superfund site right what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:58   starts as a Superfund site but we'd like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   to eventually turn it into a national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:01   parks leaves a little bit and it seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:07   it seemed briefly plausible like wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:11   right the people at Twitter don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:13   anymore all they want as money they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   want to get out I think probably most of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:18   them and give them their money you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:22   they made their money gets to keep their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   accounts yeah you guys that's great jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26   like here's some money is that what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:28   is that would that make you happy but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:29   you can't beam back to your home planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   yeah you can go now go with your money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:35   human emotions are strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:37   I mean emotions and leave it to us give [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:43   it back to us right but that idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:46   every single thing needs to be monetized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:49   to within an inch of its life that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   Facebook doesn't have enough money and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:53   that they need a billion more customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55   because they need what to control [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:58   everything right what's your end game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:02   what's the end game this you'll know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:04   this will have been super successful in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06   what happens when what happened yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08   precisely and is the stuff you're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:10   now is this the direction that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   consider moving too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   other success and are we we are nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:17   right we are just we a hundred thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:21   people come and go every second matrix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   batteries we're pod boys yeah I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:26   just can't see on Ariz or the garden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:29   hose in our neck I want to reach out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:31   people and say do you have a good idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:32   like the guy that had the idea of URLs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:38   gave it to the world for free I mean he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:43   just said here you go right I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:47   gonna copyright dot-com this is a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:50   that needed to happen right and here it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:54   is like I built it it didn't take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   much it was like a brainstorm I had and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:58   it took a couple of little bits to build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:01   but it didn't you know the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:05   Twitter or Facebook represent that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:09   intellectual property that we we we all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:14   know was the result of like a one night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:16   brainstorm and offend a few weeks of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:19   coding like it isn't the same as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:22   building the the infrastructure to bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:26   water to New York City right it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:28   isn't it was some guys in a dorm who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30   were like hahaha what if we what if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:34   made a website where you could judge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:36   people's faces and thumbs-up thumbs-down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:39   I mean it was it was like sick and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:41   score from the from the very dawn but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:45   but Twitter I mean you know you know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:47   Twitter got me and you were there like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:49   it was it was like oh I don't here why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:52   don't we do this it'll be like an SMS [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:54   for friends and we can say like oh I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:57   going to the taco place and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3837">TS</a>]

01:03:58   everybody you won't have to text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00   everybody individually had a good run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:01   like that's not a fucking idea that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:05   worth a billion dollars it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:07   fucking idea that you could have had and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:10   given as much as you a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:14   what happens in pharmaceuticals where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   you come up with no like an axiom or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:18   something they say you come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:19   always the big allergy one like claritin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:21   you come up with some new formulation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   and you get a patent on it for how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:25   many years like five years or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:26   is and then you have to re-up your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27   patent so you've got to figure out what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29   most of them I think end up doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:31   slightly changing the delivery mechanism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:33   and getting a patent on that we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   able to like string this out longer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:37   longer bridge like MIT can we Houston do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:39   we like start giving the clarity in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:40   way at prices that are normal for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:41   everybody it's like well that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:43   really how this model works right we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:46   move the button yay for us sorry about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:49   the Nazis yeah you see that a lot where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3889">TS</a>]

01:04:52   where I feel like I've seen that several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:55   startups that I that I have like sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:58   tangential knowledge of where they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3898">TS</a>]

01:05:01   15 employees and they felt like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:04   needed 50 in order to build the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:07   so they hired 50 but then they've got 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:09   employees and they need to earn money to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:13   pay the 50 employees so they need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:15   hundred employees to make enough money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:16   to pay the 50 employees and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:18   this like this mentality of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:22   voracious growth that no one wants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:25   run a 15 person company anymore that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:28   really good and sleek and makes an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:31   income for everybody and is stable and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:34   it's not growing by leaps and bounds and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:36   you're not gonna sell it for fifteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:39   million dollars when you're 28 years old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41   it's just a job that you gave yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:44   but that's like pleasing and you go home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:47   at night and you feel satisfied by your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:48   work like my mom was talking about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:51   brother the other day and she said well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53   he retired from you know so hyoe at 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:59   and I said he retired at 50 she said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:04   yeah that's what used to happen you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:05   started a job when you were 20 and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:07   50 you'd worked there 30 years and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:09   retired with a full retirement I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:13   like am I just hearing about this for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:15   the first time is this what people talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:17   about when they say this that things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:19   have changed what do you mean what did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:23   he do then oh you know he got a sailboat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:26   and he did some stuff and I'm like 50 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:29   I'm 50 yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:31   I'm 50 I don't I don't have what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:36   talking about yeah she's like think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:37   about the people that join [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:39   the army when they're 20 Beirut ISIL [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:41   vote for a retired of forty retired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:45   because she was rich or been retired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:47   because she had done twenty years at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:48   company and guys she used Excel in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:50   Air Force for twenty years twenty years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:54   she retired yeah from the Air Force yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4014">TS</a>]

01:06:56   yeah with with my fears thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:59   your service freedom you know Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:17   Squires has did did a pretty good stint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:21   in the Marine Corps really Mike grew up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:25   in a in a very rural Washington town and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:28   the and the kind of the writing was on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:31   the wall about how life was gonna go and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:33   he decided that he was not gonna go that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:37   way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:38   and joined the Marines the family math [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:39   business yeah he was he said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:42   I'm not gonna I'm not gonna take over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:44   from my from the from the weakest uncle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:48   as the young younger enforcer for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4068">TS</a>]

01:07:57   yeah uncle Tony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4077">TS</a>]

01:08:01   sorry pal come take a walk with us in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:05   the desert the keys to the pickup truck [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:12   you shall wear the crap he joined the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4092">TS</a>]

01:08:16   Marines that he got out he got out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   his little town he got out of the cycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:20   of rural shittiness took the midnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:23   train going anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:24   did the streetlight people and then very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:32   crucially he did not go back to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:35   little shitty town with his duffel bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37   and like hug his high school sweetheart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   he went to Seattle and he bought a bass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:41   guitar and was like fuck it but what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:45   did in the Marines was sat at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:48   typewriter yeah and he's got that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:50   lot of people I mean he go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:52   big biceps and he's got tattoos that say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:54   like USMC anyway impugning my Corps or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:58   Marines in general but that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4138">TS</a>]

01:08:59   part of what makes me laugh in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:01   I'll never laugh publicly is like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:03   everybody's always just jizzing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:04   themselves so hard over the troops in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   the first-responder is that it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:07   yeah but you know they also they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:11   their education and their pension and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:13   everything paid for in a way that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:14   kids teacher does not the you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:18   the support staff Merlyn is just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4158">TS</a>]

01:09:21   important as those frontline troops the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:22   wrestler is important as the notes I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:24   mocking Mike just because it's gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:29   salutely kick my ass sure even right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:33   even as fat as he is you know one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:51   those one of those things when I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:52   sitting around not thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:53   burying shipping containers in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:55   desert to put Donald Rumsfeld yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:58   know a big a big a big idea that isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:02   really even that big is the idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:03   national service that encompasses things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:06   other than the army and you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:09   Israeli model of 18 to 20 everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:12   serves but you can choose to work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:17   the National Park Service cut trail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:19   leave cut trail he worked for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:20   Department of the Interior you work for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:23   the National Endowment for the Arts you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:26   you know you do two years of public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:29   service in one of a million different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:34   ways but it'd be considered equivalent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4234">TS</a>]

01:10:37   to military service because if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:40   totally agree voluntary work at the at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4240">TS</a>]

01:10:43   the National Endowment for the Arts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:44   making it easier or you work for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:47   Department of Transportation like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:50   is that is an equivalent service to your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:54   country and your people and the idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:56   that there you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:58   there are there are people risking their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:01   lives on battlefields but in question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:07   you know if the person who is driving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:09   the truck that's bringing the bottled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4269">TS</a>]

01:11:10   water to the people that are doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:14   work on the battlefield [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:15   is as integral to that machine as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:19   fighter then the people who are making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:22   the roads back home work better and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:25   people that are making America stronger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4285">TS</a>]

01:11:27   by having a more devoted national [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:30   commitment to the arts are also engaged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4290">TS</a>]

01:11:32   in the same battle my kids my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:34   principal works about 12 hours a day and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:36   can't afford to live in San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:37   yeah she's in East Bay yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:40   and that's that's insane and that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4300">TS</a>]

01:11:42   terrible miss allocation of resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:45   but also it is it speaks to a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:50   like a core to climb in our values that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:53   I cannot I cannot yell enough about yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:58   and I think people are both you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4318">TS</a>]

01:11:59   people people may feel like this is all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:03   some kind of crusty attitude and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4323">TS</a>]

01:12:07   that once we turn the next corner and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4327">TS</a>]

01:12:12   we're all wearing heads-up displays and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:13   walking around with Madame Butterfly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:16   strapped in our Underpants I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4336">TS</a>]

01:12:22   does the cloud is like we are producing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:26   7 milliliters effluvium hour it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:32   waste your check it doesn't moisture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:34   check - bump it was Nixon that won it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:45   that took us into China right yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:47   affixing yeah and as much as that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:50   Mussolini made the trains run on time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:52   argument yeah I also feel that it may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4372">TS</a>]

01:12:55   one day be a liberal Democrat or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:58   liberal politician that reintroduces the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4378">TS</a>]

01:13:01   idea of a compulsory national service a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:05   peacetime draft [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:07   but that draft includes a and to work at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:13   the Department of Transportation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:15   considered equivalent to having been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:17   the Army because because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:19   ultimately and that if we you know we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:25   spend I spent a lot of time in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:28   year talking to people in the military [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:29   and officers in the military and for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4409">TS</a>]

01:13:32   most part they say the same thing which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4412">TS</a>]

01:13:35   is that they consider themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:36   apolitical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4416">TS</a>]

01:13:39   but that they support the military and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:42   so they support politicians that support [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:45   the military and those politicians tend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:48   to be more Republican than Democrats so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:50   that's how they fall but really right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4430">TS</a>]

01:13:53   they support the military and that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:55   their church and when you say to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4435">TS</a>]

01:13:59   well alright but what about this weapons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:02   platform that is a hundred times over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:06   budget has been proved over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4446">TS</a>]

01:14:09   again to not work it was designed at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:12   time when the mission was different than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:14   it is now so there's no mission for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:16   anymore it's a total boondoggle and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:19   they keep crashing how do you feel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:21   that and they're like well the billions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:25   of dollars that we pour into that go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:26   the people that work for the military [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:29   and the companies that support the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:31   military so even though it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:33   shitstorm I believe that in the end it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:37   benefits the country because it benefits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:41   the military and that's the point at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:43   which you realize like oh right they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:48   I understand that they're nonpartisan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:51   but also they should not be in charge of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:54   that decision mm-hmm because they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4494">TS</a>]

01:14:58   they can't be blamed for self-interest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4498">TS</a>]

01:15:02   makes it sound more nefarious than it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4502">TS</a>]

01:15:04   but they they can't be faulted for doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:07   the thing that they think is right that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4507">TS</a>]

01:15:08   happens to support I mean they do yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:11   can fault them but but i but i but i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:14   feel like we have listeners we have less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:16   producer we should thank the further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:17   service they love it thank you all for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:19   your service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:21   I know we do and I know and I mean I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:23   engaged in this debate with with several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:25   of them offline but they lady M me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:29   they say that thing you said is wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4529">TS</a>]

01:15:32   and I say you're wrong and then we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:35   a lively discussion because everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4535">TS</a>]

01:15:37   loves to start that way but but note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:40   that that is why we have civilian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:42   oversight of the military but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4542">TS</a>]

01:15:44   problem is that if you put into office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:45   people that get into office by saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:48   will reflexively support the military [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4548">TS</a>]

01:15:50   without ever questioning them yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4550">TS</a>]

01:15:53   get into this situation where you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4553">TS</a>]

01:15:55   the like in Rome I hate to oh my god I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4555">TS</a>]

01:16:00   so going to cliche rule was as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:12   you stepped into Rome as a general or as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4572">TS</a>]

01:16:16   a as a Roman soldier you no longer were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:21   in the Army in the city of Rome you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:26   a civilian you could not enter Rome as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:30   member of the army so the armies were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4590">TS</a>]

01:16:32   always outside of Rome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:34   and the reason was that they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:38   worried obviously that or it was a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40   of dealing with the fact that a that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42   general could come back from it from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:44   triumphant battle and march into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:47   city and get himself elected the Caesar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:52   in the in the in the frenzy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4612">TS</a>]

01:16:56   outpouring of joy at the returning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4616">TS</a>]

01:17:00   conquering army so the army would return [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:03   and as soon as they walked in to town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4623">TS</a>]

01:17:05   they were civilians and it kept them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4625">TS</a>]

01:17:12   know it kept them in check and it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:14   that Roman generals didn't sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4634">TS</a>]

01:17:17   ascend and a couple of notable times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:19   marched in anyway but that was the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4639">TS</a>]

01:17:23   was their mentality their way of church [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:26   and stating and we've kind of lost that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:30   we've lost a crucial element of civilian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:34   oversight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:34   because our civilian our civilian like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4654">TS</a>]

01:17:42   branch of government has abdicated its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:45   oversight responsibilities it's gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:48   to enthrall you know there are too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:51   congressmen that are in thrall of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4671">TS</a>]

01:17:53   military and there's too much money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4673">TS</a>]

01:17:54   floating around that they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:56   miss out on mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4676">TS</a>]

01:17:58   they all went to business school so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4678">TS</a>]

01:18:00   they're just looking for business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4680">TS</a>]

01:18:01   they're not they got no there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:03   morality to it anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:06   i-i-i jumped into an online conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4686">TS</a>]

01:18:10   and you might help me with this yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4690">TS</a>]

01:18:12   sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:12   hope anyway I can't there was I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:16   following a bunch of OPSEC people about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4696">TS</a>]

01:18:18   a year ago because I wanted out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:20   of the thing where people were yelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:22   at each other yeah oh god I made a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4702">TS</a>]

01:18:26   mistake oh my god it's like it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:29   4chan with a CS degree you are poem with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4709">TS</a>]

01:18:32   your intent black hat but at one point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:37   somebody in the academic CS community [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4717">TS</a>]

01:18:40   was sending out tweets to the people in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:45   their community saying we're having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4725">TS</a>]

01:18:47   we're starting a group like a an online [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:52   pink group where we're discussing ethics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:57   in CS and we're trying to get a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4737">TS</a>]

01:19:00   computer science computer science okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:02   we're trying to get academics people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:05   that are working in the field people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:08   that are you know theoretical about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:10   we're trying to get everybody together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:12   to talk about you know to build a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:17   framework of talking about ethics in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4757">TS</a>]

01:19:19   computer science and so you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4759">TS</a>]

01:19:24   was an open invitation on the part of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4764">TS</a>]

01:19:27   organizer to kind of you know come in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:28   present your CV explain who you are and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4768">TS</a>]

01:19:33   from the basis of that will you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:37   will include you in this conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:38   and it was kind of you know it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4778">TS</a>]

01:19:40   typical sort of like who are you how do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:43   you rank and we're gonna we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:45   include you in this conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4785">TS</a>]

01:19:47   with priority if you teach at Stanford [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4787">TS</a>]

01:19:50   versus if you're a 24 year old coder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:53   right right which made sense but I wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:56   him and said hi I am NOT in computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4796">TS</a>]

01:19:59   science but I really want to be engaged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:03   in the conversation around ethics in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4803">TS</a>]

01:20:06   computer science and I humbly submit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4806">TS</a>]

01:20:11   that you could have some civilian lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4811">TS</a>]

01:20:15   people in this conversation because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:18   feels like you guys might get into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4818">TS</a>]

01:20:21   little bit of a think bubble with one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:23   another because some of the presumptions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:26   that you're all operating from maybe are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:29   the wellspring of some of these ethical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:34   questions that you're struggling with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4834">TS</a>]

01:20:36   like maybe it's up maybe it's up above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4836">TS</a>]

01:20:40   some of your first presumptions or maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:42   it's just a thing that you never looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:43   at this this way because you all think a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:46   certain way but it seems like some lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:51   thinkers might have a have a place here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4851">TS</a>]

01:20:54   I mean in putting it it would be putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4854">TS</a>]

01:20:57   it strongly to say you'd be the court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:58   jester but you could be there to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:00   smart person asking a question that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:01   doesn't come up very often right which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4861">TS</a>]

01:21:03   sometimes might be a silly obvious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:05   questions and other time it might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:06   thought-provoking and help them to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:08   clarify their thinking on something by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4868">TS</a>]

01:21:10   having to explain it to Adam that's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4870">TS</a>]

01:21:11   you that's right and and if you you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4871">TS</a>]

01:21:15   if your explanation to a numbnuts is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:17   well everybody knows what this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4877">TS</a>]

01:21:19   and the numbnuts says that's not true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4879">TS</a>]

01:21:22   yeah you do maybe come at things from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:26   different from a different way you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:28   talk about ethics in computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:31   without recognizing that you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:35   about ethics and not computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:38   because if you're talking about ethics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:40   and computer science and you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:42   you're talking about computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4902">TS</a>]

01:21:43   then you're going to come to the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:45   conclusions you came to before if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4905">TS</a>]

01:21:48   talking about ethics you're talking on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4908">TS</a>]

01:21:50   different discipline and computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:52   scientists aren't experts at it you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:55   there there's nothing to suggest that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57   being good at computers means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:59   you're also good at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:00   Effects of what computers can and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:03   doing that is a separate discipline [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:07   anyway he wrote back and said I agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:12   how like how we're not meeting in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:19   Convention Center and giving speeches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:21   we're creating an online community of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:23   people that are doing this work and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:25   we're using you know in these short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:30   burst conversations we're using all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4950">TS</a>]

01:22:32   nomenclature of our field and we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:36   bippity-boppity-boo pack and forth with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:39   c++ talky-talk how are you going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:49   engage in that conversation with us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:53   I said I cannot I cannot engage that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4973">TS</a>]

01:22:59   with you and if the if the ethical if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:03   what you're doing is creating like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:04   online community where people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4984">TS</a>]

01:23:06   bounding or bouncing ideas off of each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:08   other there's no there isn't a place for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:10   me to tell hop in because nobody wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:15   to sit and explain to a layperson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4995">TS</a>]

01:23:16   something that everybody else in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:18   room gets in 140 characters right but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4998">TS</a>]

01:23:22   guess I'm just if you are someone who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5002">TS</a>]

01:23:25   organizing this community if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:28   impelled to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5008">TS</a>]

01:23:30   let me just plant that seed in your head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:32   that add a certain point other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5012">TS</a>]

01:23:37   need to be a people that are not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:41   computer science or people who are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:43   biologists need to be part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:47   bioethics conversation or the computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:49   science ethics conversation and you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5029">TS</a>]

01:23:54   you know people in computer science need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:57   to acknowledge that and not have it be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5037">TS</a>]

01:24:01   thing where you present your paper and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:03   then a bunch of people are butthurt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:05   about it and you're like but we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5045">TS</a>]

01:24:07   everything we try you know why are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5047">TS</a>]

01:24:09   so mad at us like that because this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5049">TS</a>]

01:24:12   what we're in and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5052">TS</a>]

01:24:14   get angry letters but this is where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:15   are with drone warfare because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5055">TS</a>]

01:24:18   people that were doing the ethics talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5058">TS</a>]

01:24:21   we're also the people that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5061">TS</a>]

01:24:22   procuring and flying those drones and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:25   there wasn't anybody in the chain that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:27   was like okay let's let's come up with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5067">TS</a>]

01:24:30   let's come up with a order of engagement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5070">TS</a>]

01:24:35   here or like a like a let's come up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5075">TS</a>]

01:24:37   a a way that this is gonna integrate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:41   into our civilian laws and our civilian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:46   morals the people that we're doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:48   work were in the military and or were in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:53   the Congress authorizing the military to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:55   do what I want and I know they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:58   know I they're they're people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:00   military that I argue with about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:03   but it was never it was never put forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:06   that's like how there's no monroe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:08   doctrine about it right in a way it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5108">TS</a>]

01:25:11   violates the monroe doctrine so i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:15   know how to do that other than in places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5115">TS</a>]

01:25:17   like this right yeah i mean you and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:18   sit and talk and we do we traipse over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:22   into computer science ethics and we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5122">TS</a>]

01:25:24   bumble around and I knock a vase off a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:26   shelf and you say some things that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:29   don't understand and then we bumble you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:31   know we waltz over into the next room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:33   and we we yell about business for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:37   while and you you talk into your shoe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:40   but where else are those conversations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:43   happening hmm I don't know I mean I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:48   only kind of argue this by analogy and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:50   guess we're like I feel like um cuz I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5150">TS</a>]

01:25:53   don't know anything about any of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5153">TS</a>]

01:25:54   stuff but I do at least have a wreckin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5154">TS</a>]

01:25:56   like everybody I've got a wreckin you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:58   know it just seems like there there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:00   there are situations where well first of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5160">TS</a>]

01:26:04   all let's take it as read that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:05   looking when you're when you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5165">TS</a>]

01:26:07   about any rapidly evolving an important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:10   topic in public discourse it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:12   useful to have a lot of Vestas an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:14   England a lot of boffins you want a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5174">TS</a>]

01:26:16   of real smart people who understand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:18   history of the problem how we've tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5178">TS</a>]

01:26:22   to address it in the past how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5182">TS</a>]

01:26:25   the way you've just in the past is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5185">TS</a>]

01:26:26   useful in the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:27   the kind of stuff that you would expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5187">TS</a>]

01:26:29   I mean if you're gonna if you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5189">TS</a>]

01:26:30   have a stuff you're gonna have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:32   about about medicine across the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:36   States it's probably good to invite some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5196">TS</a>]

01:26:37   doctors like um that would never argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:39   against that in a million years but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5199">TS</a>]

01:26:41   there is that dumb liberal arts part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:44   me that thinks that well you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5204">TS</a>]

01:26:45   would be nice to have some people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:46   are doctors slash something's as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5206">TS</a>]

01:26:49   amoebans people who are not doctors but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:52   others kind of slash people and because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:54   you know i think i do feel like a group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:58   think too strong a word but like i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5218">TS</a>]

01:27:00   feel like there's this thing of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5220">TS</a>]

01:27:01   well we're all smart people in this room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:02   will understand this problem so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5222">TS</a>]

01:27:04   get to solving it when like some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5224">TS</a>]

01:27:06   most useful stuff that you can have for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:08   input in an in kind of a group project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5228">TS</a>]

01:27:09   is people who have differing views on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:11   how we frame the problem right how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5231">TS</a>]

01:27:14   ask the right questions and i I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5234">TS</a>]

01:27:18   that I think that there is a fetishism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5238">TS</a>]

01:27:20   for getting the right answer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5240">TS</a>]

01:27:22   sometimes can skate right past whether [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5242">TS</a>]

01:27:26   we ever ask the correct question about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5246">TS</a>]

01:27:28   this absolutely and that that's where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5248">TS</a>]

01:27:30   think there's a role for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:31   lay people or nearly lay people is to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5251">TS</a>]

01:27:34   able to like be the dummy in the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5254">TS</a>]

01:27:36   maybe in some cases but like I look no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5256">TS</a>]

01:27:39   further than what we've been describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5259">TS</a>]

01:27:41   for a lot of this episode which is oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5261">TS</a>]

01:27:43   should I not have done that well why was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5263">TS</a>]

01:27:46   there no one there to say look you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:48   I may not be much smarter than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5268">TS</a>]

01:27:51   average bear that but if you would ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5271">TS</a>]

01:27:52   me about this and you described it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:54   accurately what the scope of this change [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5274">TS</a>]

01:27:57   to your system would do just as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5277">TS</a>]

01:27:59   garden-variety user a dummy like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:03   could have told you that's a stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5283">TS</a>]

01:28:04   shitty idea that's gonna be costly to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5284">TS</a>]

01:28:07   your reputation it's gonna potentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5287">TS</a>]

01:28:10   expose you to risks that were utterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5290">TS</a>]

01:28:11   unnecessary for what you're trying to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5291">TS</a>]

01:28:13   and here I'm talking about stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5293">TS</a>]

01:28:14   these apps that do stuff like pull down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5294">TS</a>]

01:28:15   all your contacts for no great reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5295">TS</a>]

01:28:17   like there's all kinds of risks to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5297">TS</a>]

01:28:19   that somebody like me could have gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5299">TS</a>]

01:28:20   did you did you kind of like just did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5300">TS</a>]

01:28:23   you kind of just you know sniff test [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5303">TS</a>]

01:28:28   that with what everybody normal cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5308">TS</a>]

01:28:30   anybody normal would have gone oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5310">TS</a>]

01:28:32   that does not make me feel good help me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5312">TS</a>]

01:28:34   understand why that's the thing you need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5314">TS</a>]

01:28:35   to do without telling me about it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5315">TS</a>]

01:28:38   know so I don't know I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5318">TS</a>]

01:28:40   that goes from medicine I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5320">TS</a>]

01:28:41   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:41   4cs all the time but like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5321">TS</a>]

01:28:43   having somebody in there to ask a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5323">TS</a>]

01:28:46   perhaps illogical question not not just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5326">TS</a>]

01:28:50   for the purpose of being the smart guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5330">TS</a>]

01:28:51   with the pipe who's disruptive but to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5331">TS</a>]

01:28:53   able to to bring an outside voice and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5333">TS</a>]

01:28:56   outside opinion to making sure that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5336">TS</a>]

01:28:59   have provided a good answer to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5339">TS</a>]

01:29:01   question that needed to be asked I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5341">TS</a>]

01:29:03   it goes for I think it goes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5343">TS</a>]

01:29:05   everything and the thing is that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5345">TS</a>]

01:29:08   run a North Face store and a guy with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5348">TS</a>]

01:29:11   really long beard full of sticks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5351">TS</a>]

01:29:13   twigs comes in and rants yeah for for 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5353">TS</a>]

01:29:19   minutes about your product you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5359">TS</a>]

01:29:24   forget it and you probably send a memo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5364">TS</a>]

01:29:27   to somebody but if enough people do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5367">TS</a>]

01:29:31   you redesign your product and that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5371">TS</a>]

01:29:35   a business interacts with its customers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5375">TS</a>]

01:29:38   but online Facebook has too many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5378">TS</a>]

01:29:42   customers they get a million angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5382">TS</a>]

01:29:46   emails a day from people saying this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5386">TS</a>]

01:29:49   a shitty idea and the way you do that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5389">TS</a>]

01:29:51   by managing the responses in a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5391">TS</a>]

01:29:54   seem polite and they seem like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5394">TS</a>]

01:29:56   like you're listening when actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5396">TS</a>]

01:29:58   somebody it's closer in some ways to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5398">TS</a>]

01:29:59   mean I've mentioned this in other places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5399">TS</a>]

01:30:01   before but this the gig economy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5401">TS</a>]

01:30:04   ride-sharing service that I use has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5404">TS</a>]

01:30:06   never has not only never gotten the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5406">TS</a>]

01:30:09   location of my office correct but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5409">TS</a>]

01:30:11   consistently gets it wrong in exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5411">TS</a>]

01:30:13   the same way mm-hmm and I haven't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5413">TS</a>]

01:30:15   tried to address it because I got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5415">TS</a>]

01:30:16   feeling I know what's gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5416">TS</a>]

01:30:17   what's gonna happen is what I'm trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5417">TS</a>]

01:30:18   to say is I want to essentially file a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5418">TS</a>]

01:30:20   civilian bug to say there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5420">TS</a>]

01:30:22   with your system that gets the location [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5422">TS</a>]

01:30:25   of my office wrong by a right turn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5425">TS</a>]

01:30:28   over half a block every time it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5428">TS</a>]

01:30:30   something repeatable it's a repeatable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5430">TS</a>]

01:30:32   bug but like if I do that it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5432">TS</a>]

01:30:34   gonna sound like I'm bitching and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5434">TS</a>]

01:30:35   not bitching I'm trying to say like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5435">TS</a>]

01:30:37   know this is this is I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5437">TS</a>]

01:30:38   this is indicative of anything bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5438">TS</a>]

01:30:40   but like maybe exploring that dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5440">TS</a>]

01:30:42   experience I've had four times now could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5442">TS</a>]

01:30:44   tell you something about your system but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5444">TS</a>]

01:30:46   now I'm already editing myself on that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5446">TS</a>]

01:30:48   because I don't want to be just some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5448">TS</a>]

01:30:49   dingaling when they say thank you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5449">TS</a>]

01:30:50   know thank you very much for your input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5450">TS</a>]

01:30:51   we're always improving the service [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5451">TS</a>]

01:30:53   here's your weekly update [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5453">TS</a>]

01:30:54   exactly you're you are literally saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5454">TS</a>]

01:30:56   let me help you make your product better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5456">TS</a>]

01:30:58   and there is no way to do it I mean I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5458">TS</a>]

01:31:01   told you I think that I tried to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5461">TS</a>]

01:31:03   snapchat on the phone about eight eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5463">TS</a>]

01:31:08   months ago tell me more I want to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5468">TS</a>]

01:31:11   this I said listen I I just you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5471">TS</a>]

01:31:14   saying this to myself I'm saying it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5474">TS</a>]

01:31:15   the air I have a simple question I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5475">TS</a>]

01:31:17   need to talk to a certain person I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5477">TS</a>]

01:31:19   looked online there doesn't appear to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5479">TS</a>]

01:31:22   a way to reach that person and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5482">TS</a>]

01:31:24   need to ask an operator to put me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5484">TS</a>]

01:31:27   through to the person I need to talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5487">TS</a>]

01:31:28   you so question click let's have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5488">TS</a>]

01:31:30   simple question for them yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5490">TS</a>]

01:31:32   called the phone number and that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5492">TS</a>]

01:31:35   snapchat phone number and it said hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5495">TS</a>]

01:31:37   thanks for calling snapchat if you'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5497">TS</a>]

01:31:39   like to talk to us just tweet us at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5499">TS</a>]

01:31:41   snapchat beep click and I was like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5501">TS</a>]

01:31:49   kind of information that maybe you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5509">TS</a>]

01:31:52   wouldn't want to say publicly right what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5512">TS</a>]

01:31:53   if you've discovered a vulnerability [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5513">TS</a>]

01:31:55   this happened my friends who work on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5515">TS</a>]

01:31:57   password management app we're trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5517">TS</a>]

01:31:59   send get encryption in place to send a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5519">TS</a>]

01:32:02   critical zero-day exploit bug report to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5522">TS</a>]

01:32:06   a company and they're like hey thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5526">TS</a>]

01:32:07   for interest go sign up for our bug [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5527">TS</a>]

01:32:09   bounty over here and like no you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5529">TS</a>]

01:32:10   understand the fucking red wire now like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5530">TS</a>]

01:32:14   yeah we need to go get in like a skiff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5534">TS</a>]

01:32:16   and talk about this thing that has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5536">TS</a>]

01:32:18   a problem for weeks or months and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5538">TS</a>]

01:32:20   didn't know about it like oh that's cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5540">TS</a>]

01:32:21   thanks glad you're man here's a pin you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5541">TS</a>]

01:32:23   know right tweet us on Twitter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5543">TS</a>]

01:32:30   that'll be a good thing for you well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5550">TS</a>]

01:32:33   so and my thing wasn't like clipped the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5553">TS</a>]

01:32:35   red wire now but it was time sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5555">TS</a>]

01:32:36   and it was real and it was solvable by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5556">TS</a>]

01:32:41   person somewhere well I spent a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5561">TS</a>]

01:32:46   of weeks and not just trying everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5566">TS</a>]

01:32:50   and I tried I mean I did all these like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5570">TS</a>]

01:32:52   go online and backward and look up phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5572">TS</a>]

01:32:56   numbers and it was it was well I called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5576">TS</a>]

01:32:59   like it was like get human there's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5579">TS</a>]

01:33:01   where you can go and find the secret [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5581">TS</a>]

01:33:02   number from us places yeah I died I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5582">TS</a>]

01:33:04   tried that I tried called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5584">TS</a>]

01:33:06   California business great Better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5586">TS</a>]

01:33:10   Business Bureau all these different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5590">TS</a>]

01:33:11   things and everything every phone number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5591">TS</a>]

01:33:14   I got funneled me back to that couch at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5594">TS</a>]

01:33:20   the and I could not and so I I tweeted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5600">TS</a>]

01:33:29   and said hi I'd like to talk to someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5609">TS</a>]

01:33:34   can you contact me and then they wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5614">TS</a>]

01:33:40   back two days later and were like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5620">TS</a>]

01:33:41   follow us and we'll DM and I followed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5621">TS</a>]

01:33:45   them and they said hey and I said hey I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5625">TS</a>]

01:33:49   have a question about this and they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5629">TS</a>]

01:33:51   like oh and I swear to you they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5631">TS</a>]

01:33:54   call this number right and the number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5634">TS</a>]

01:33:56   was like just tweet us at like it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5636">TS</a>]

01:33:59   it was an ultimate there was no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5639">TS</a>]

01:34:04   through and it was intentional it was I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5644">TS</a>]

01:34:08   mean like that is a word I reserved for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5648">TS</a>]

01:34:10   special occasions it's somewhat Kafka [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5650">TS</a>]

01:34:12   esque where it's difficult to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5652">TS</a>]

01:34:15   why this is happening and there's some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5655">TS</a>]

01:34:17   level of recursion and repetition where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5657">TS</a>]

01:34:19   like you're in the castle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5659">TS</a>]

01:34:20   what's crazy about science fiction is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5660">TS</a>]

01:34:23   that it that it gets so many things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5663">TS</a>]

01:34:25   right but it often gets things really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5665">TS</a>]

01:34:27   wrong and that was what was so amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5667">TS</a>]

01:34:29   about Star Wars or Blade Runner where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5669">TS</a>]

01:34:31   they were the first science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5671">TS</a>]

01:34:33   films that made things look dirty right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5673">TS</a>]

01:34:35   and we were like wow that looks so real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5675">TS</a>]

01:34:37   what Kafka missed he was so right but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5677">TS</a>]

01:34:43   what he missed was that there would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5683">TS</a>]

01:34:44   giant yellow smiley face on everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5684">TS</a>]

01:34:46   great but it wasn't but but it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5686">TS</a>]

01:34:49   not clean right you want to think like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5689">TS</a>]

01:34:51   all those science fiction movies were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5691">TS</a>]

01:34:53   there giant giant smiley places on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5693">TS</a>]

01:34:55   everything it's at least clean yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5695">TS</a>]

01:34:57   this is both dirty and smiley face II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5697">TS</a>]

01:35:00   and every interaction I had with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5700">TS</a>]

01:35:03   snapchat was just like hi oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5703">TS</a>]

01:35:06   thank you hey tweet us and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5706">TS</a>]

01:35:12   look I'm not 14 I don't have a question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5712">TS</a>]

01:35:15   about like my boyfriend took a booby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5715">TS</a>]

01:35:17   picture of me and if I did I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5717">TS</a>]

01:35:19   want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5719">TS</a>]

01:35:20   tweet you right but I have like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5720">TS</a>]

01:35:22   grown-up question I want to speak to one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5722">TS</a>]

01:35:24   grown-up anyway eventually and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5724">TS</a>]

01:35:26   even remember how I did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5726">TS</a>]

01:35:28   I got a phone call from a live person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5728">TS</a>]

01:35:32   there Wow and I don't remember what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5732">TS</a>]

01:35:36   think it was through their Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5736">TS</a>]

01:35:37   account I said look I want somebody to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5737">TS</a>]

01:35:39   talk to me about I want an adult and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5739">TS</a>]

01:35:45   it came out of the blue I was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5745">TS</a>]

01:35:47   expecting it I got a phone call and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5747">TS</a>]

01:35:49   was a kid who was who said hey hi this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5749">TS</a>]

01:35:53   is Jeremy at snapchat here's my question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5753">TS</a>]

01:36:02   he was like yeah well um hang on let me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5762">TS</a>]

01:36:09   let me call you back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5769">TS</a>]

01:36:11   and then he called me back two minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5771">TS</a>]

01:36:14   later and said sure here's the here it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5774">TS</a>]

01:36:18   is here's the number should be arriving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5778">TS</a>]

01:36:20   in the mail it's coming to you now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5780">TS</a>]

01:36:23   anything else and I was like wow yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5783">TS</a>]

01:36:26   just one other thing I took me a month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5786">TS</a>]

01:36:29   to get to the point where I could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5789">TS</a>]

01:36:32   this two-minute conversation where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5792">TS</a>]

01:36:33   totally solved my problem Wow why did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5793">TS</a>]

01:36:37   take a month because it's a because to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5797">TS</a>]

01:36:40   me it feels like this conversation took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5800">TS</a>]

01:36:42   a month but it didn't it just took two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5802">TS</a>]

01:36:43   minutes right and I knew it was I knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5803">TS</a>]

01:36:46   it was a two-minute conversation and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5806">TS</a>]

01:36:47   grateful for your help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5807">TS</a>]

01:36:49   you've done more than I imagined can you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5809">TS</a>]

01:36:52   fucking make that a little bit easier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5812">TS</a>]

01:36:54   for people he's like pop well I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5814">TS</a>]

01:36:57   on the solution team yeah I know you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5817">TS</a>]

01:37:07   how a good fish taco to dance port [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5827">TS</a>]

01:37:11   Jeremy or Jeremy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5831">TS</a>]

01:37:14   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5834">TS</a>]

01:37:17   Hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5837">TS</a>]

01:37:19   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5839">TS</a>]

01:37:19   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/5839">TS</a>]

00:00:01   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1">TS</a>]

00:00:04   hi John hi Merlin how's it going good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/4">TS</a>]

00:00:09   how are you young very well that's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/9">TS</a>]

00:00:11   so early I do I just got a phone call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/11">TS</a>]

00:00:15   from local public radio station and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/15">TS</a>]

00:00:19   wanted to know if I would come on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/19">TS</a>]

00:00:21   panel today to talk about whether or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/21">TS</a>]

00:00:24   amazon.com new bubbles that they built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/24">TS</a>]

00:00:27   in Seattle are gonna be an icon like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/27">TS</a>]

00:00:32   Space Needle you might need to bring me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/32">TS</a>]

00:00:35   up to speed here I am not totally up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   date on the what are you the Emerald [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/37">TS</a>]

00:00:40   City what do you call Jetson now well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/40">TS</a>]

00:00:42   were the Jet City that was a very cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/42">TS</a>]

00:00:44   name yeah and and I think an organic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/44">TS</a>]

00:00:48   name Jet City Jet City once we got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   fight yeah we made the Jets yeah yep yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/50">TS</a>]

00:00:53   yep and then once you're always Emerald [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/53">TS</a>]

00:00:55   City is that is that that is that organ [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/55">TS</a>]

00:00:57   no Emerald City is something it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/57">TS</a>]

00:01:01   nickname that came about as the result [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/61">TS</a>]

00:01:04   of a like one of those let's take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/64">TS</a>]

00:01:08   suggestions from the audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/68">TS</a>]

00:01:09   title now things where they're like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12   what should we call our city and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/72">TS</a>]

00:01:14   I think we're like we're out we already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16   have a name Jet City and they were oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19   let's call it Emerald City and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/79">TS</a>]

00:01:23   who said that you know hey you in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/83">TS</a>]

00:01:26   back stand up whoo why did you say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/86">TS</a>]

00:01:27   they're like I don't work for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   publicity firm don't mind me at the name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/89">TS</a>]

00:01:37   of the odds place yeah oh that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   good yeah giant Seattle biospheres yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/99">TS</a>]

00:01:48   Oh God and are people gonna live in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/108">TS</a>]

00:01:52   or they just oh they just green houses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/112">TS</a>]

00:01:55   don't I say just green houses I new to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   this so so I yeah a few years ago I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/117">TS</a>]

00:02:01   I was downtown I had a I have a friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/121">TS</a>]

00:02:04   that works at an architecture firm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   he was he invited he invited us to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/126">TS</a>]

00:02:11   by and see the see what's going on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13   they're a big big company that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/133">TS</a>]

00:02:14   making big big things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/134">TS</a>]

00:02:16   and one of the things that have they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/136">TS</a>]

00:02:19   on their drawing board were these giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/139">TS</a>]

00:02:20   very organic looking spheres and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/140">TS</a>]

00:02:24   intrigued because they were pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/144">TS</a>]

00:02:27   cool-looking on the on the design table [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/147">TS</a>]

00:02:29   and he said yeah Amazon wants us to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31   build these but like in the center of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/151">TS</a>]

00:02:33   downtown and I thought that'll never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/153">TS</a>]

00:02:37   happen first of all but wouldn't that be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/157">TS</a>]

00:02:41   cool if you built like a big thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43   that like a public space business yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/163">TS</a>]

00:02:45   look like I mean looks like if you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   seen the Polish or movie biosphere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   they're big round and they they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/169">TS</a>]

00:02:53   kind of a who's the guy with the who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/173">TS</a>]

00:02:56   the guy with the geodesic domes the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/176">TS</a>]

00:02:59   show about him you know that one guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   with the name it's HR guy culture it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/181">TS</a>]

00:03:05   like the HR HR Pufnstuf HR snuffleupagus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/185">TS</a>]

00:03:10   these are the appear to be three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/190">TS</a>]

00:03:14   tripartite of three big interconnected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/194">TS</a>]

00:03:17   bubbles with what looks like green trees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/197">TS</a>]

00:03:19   inside and they look pretty big right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/199">TS</a>]

00:03:23   they're super big and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/203">TS</a>]

00:03:30   Buckminster Fuller oh that's it Bucky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/210">TS</a>]

00:03:33   Bucky balls yeah they're there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/213">TS</a>]

00:03:38   they're built unlike bucky balls which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/218">TS</a>]

00:03:40   are built with regular sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/220">TS</a>]

00:03:41   triangular components these are made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/221">TS</a>]

00:03:44   with very organic like the type of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/224">TS</a>]

00:03:48   type of shapes that you'd see inside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/228">TS</a>]

00:03:50   an actual but like a soap bubble or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/230">TS</a>]

00:03:51   something swirling they kind of feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/231">TS</a>]

00:03:55   like to serve irregular patterns it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57   isn't like I'm just seeing a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59   triangles right and I hate to keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01   referencing the movie avatar but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03   feels like something the movie Avatar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/243">TS</a>]

00:04:06   yes yes yeah so anyway I was and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/246">TS</a>]

00:04:10   they started building him and I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/250">TS</a>]

00:04:11   I never expected that they would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13   actually go through with this very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/253">TS</a>]

00:04:14   ambitious idea to build these orbs in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/254">TS</a>]

00:04:20   the center of town and what a what a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/260">TS</a>]

00:04:22   bold move for a company that I think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/262">TS</a>]

00:04:25   as being pretty culturally conservative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/265">TS</a>]

00:04:26   within themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   you know Amazon is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/268">TS</a>]

00:04:29   very has not typically been like we love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/269">TS</a>]

00:04:32   everybody they're much more like their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/272">TS</a>]

00:04:35   typical tech company that hides behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/275">TS</a>]

00:04:38   security keys and everything you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/278">TS</a>]

00:04:42   it's like harder to get into to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/282">TS</a>]

00:04:45   amazon.com or to Microsoft in downtown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/285">TS</a>]

00:04:48   Seattle it's harder to get in than it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50   to get into the White House you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/290">TS</a>]

00:04:52   there's so many different levels of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   security and it's like security I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57   what do you guys got in there like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/297">TS</a>]

00:04:59   gold bars what are you so scared of but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/299">TS</a>]

00:05:03   but they they started building when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/303">TS</a>]

00:05:06   built them for a long time and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/306">TS</a>]

00:05:07   screwed up traffic in both directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/307">TS</a>]

00:05:08   downtown for ever and they built two big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/308">TS</a>]

00:05:13   office towers on either side which are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   also interesting architectural II [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/315">TS</a>]

00:05:18   interesting but then as they got closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/318">TS</a>]

00:05:21   to opening these bubbles they were like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/321">TS</a>]

00:05:24   oh we were never gonna let any one go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/324">TS</a>]

00:05:30   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/330">TS</a>]

00:05:30   oh no Snorks allowed right oh no these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/330">TS</a>]

00:05:34   are just for us oh boy it seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/334">TS</a>]

00:05:37   that's kind of thing you wanna mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/337">TS</a>]

00:05:38   yeah well but even I mean they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/338">TS</a>]

00:05:43   mention it because they never considered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/343">TS</a>]

00:05:45   that it would be something to the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/345">TS</a>]

00:05:50   and so here you have this this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/350">TS</a>]

00:05:55   basically yeah Space Station Earth I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/355">TS</a>]

00:05:58   seeing like a anytime you look at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/358">TS</a>]

00:06:01   right thing here it looks like a like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/361">TS</a>]

00:06:02   side what do you call that it that's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/362">TS</a>]

00:06:04   early it looks like a slice the edge off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/364">TS</a>]

00:06:08   you show from the side one like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   yeah yeah I mean like we need to show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/370">TS</a>]

00:06:12   the fantastic for building one or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   three four five stories yeah okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/374">TS</a>]

00:06:18   anything you got about ten feet in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   story plus you got a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/380">TS</a>]

00:06:21   overhead so these things are probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/381">TS</a>]

00:06:22   like at least like what 80 100 feet tall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/382">TS</a>]

00:06:25   they're big they're big and they take up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27   the space between of a block well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/387">TS</a>]

00:06:31   they've already on either side they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/391">TS</a>]

00:06:33   big office towers so the whole thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/393">TS</a>]

00:06:36   a is you know it's a whole city block [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/396">TS</a>]

00:06:39   for this campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   and they've done you know they they put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   these buildings in they hired 10,000 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/403">TS</a>]

00:06:45   people and on the ground floor of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/405">TS</a>]

00:06:49   buildings they have a fat belly sandwich [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51   shop and a Thai restaurant and a cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/411">TS</a>]

00:06:54   burger place that puts lavender on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/414">TS</a>]

00:06:57   burgers and you know all this stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/417">TS</a>]

00:06:59   if you have a key card I'm sure you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   go in and just charge your food but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/421">TS</a>]

00:07:06   campus did not it you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/426">TS</a>]

00:07:08   built there are so many different eras [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/428">TS</a>]

00:07:11   of like downtown architecture fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/431">TS</a>]

00:07:15   and we've both lived in cities San [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/435">TS</a>]

00:07:18   Francisco is a real example of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/438">TS</a>]

00:07:22   where a building gets built and it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/442">TS</a>]

00:07:23   very kind of open unfriendly sun-baked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/443">TS</a>]

00:07:28   Plaza with some cements in there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/448">TS</a>]

00:07:34   you could suppose I guess maybe sit on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/454">TS</a>]

00:07:37   shake I mean no it's just it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/457">TS</a>]

00:07:40   want to go away it's really tough and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/460">TS</a>]

00:07:43   and that was the I that was an idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45   was supposed to be that was supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/465">TS</a>]

00:07:47   engage people you know these big plazas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/467">TS</a>]

00:07:49   and it just they didn't think through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51   how actual people want to be this campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/471">TS</a>]

00:07:58   really I mean those bubbles really draw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/478">TS</a>]

00:08:01   you you you you come to them and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/481">TS</a>]

00:08:03   look at them and you're like I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   what is the first thought you have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   want to go in mm-hmm because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/487">TS</a>]

00:08:09   there's trees in there it looks like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/489">TS</a>]

00:08:13   Scott probably it's playing like tubular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/493">TS</a>]

00:08:16   bells or music for airports like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/496">TS</a>]

00:08:20   right it's it's like the future I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/500">TS</a>]

00:08:23   to go in and then you get the kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/503">TS</a>]

00:08:26   giant Christmas ornaments like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   very I mean have to say they're I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   mean this is too much of a compliment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   but they're very attractive as you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/512">TS</a>]

00:08:33   like if you saw is Hugo what is that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/513">TS</a>]

00:08:35   how do I get inside yeah how do I get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37   inside and you know the other public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/517">TS</a>]

00:08:40   buildings that have a similar effect in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   Seattle are the downtown library which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/522">TS</a>]

00:08:45   was just look for that right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   oh it's modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/527">TS</a>]

00:08:50   but it's like somebody got tired of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   folding a box it's really i keep since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/532">TS</a>]

00:08:56   the day it was opened i described it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58   a spaceport on a minor planet it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/538">TS</a>]

00:09:03   like oh that's it huh I mean that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/543">TS</a>]

00:09:05   are buses that used to be pretty popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/545">TS</a>]

00:09:07   yeah it was like a mining planet like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/547">TS</a>]

00:09:10   six millenia ago and that's the space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   board and it's a typical of contemporary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/552">TS</a>]

00:09:14   architecture like at some point not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/554">TS</a>]

00:09:17   long after it opened the escalator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/557">TS</a>]

00:09:19   stopped working then pretty soon there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   somebody there with some scaffolding and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/561">TS</a>]

00:09:23   a sign that says no access trying to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   it but they're not working that hard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/565">TS</a>]

00:09:28   then the other example is the EMP which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/568">TS</a>]

00:09:31   was you know which was a again a folly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/571">TS</a>]

00:09:35   of a rich person and and and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/575">TS</a>]

00:09:42   saw it on the drawing board you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/582">TS</a>]

00:09:43   like wow we're gonna get a Frank Giri [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   right in the middle of town and Frank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/585">TS</a>]

00:09:48   Gehry designed it but because Paul Allen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50   owned it Paul Allen got involved and was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/590">TS</a>]

00:09:53   like I know that you built this that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   designed this to be all silver but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   if it was red white and blue and green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/597">TS</a>]

00:10:02   and yellow and Frank Gehry was like well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/602">TS</a>]

00:10:06   no I don't I don't want that that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/606">TS</a>]

00:10:09   what I am building and Paul Allen was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/609">TS</a>]

00:10:11   like yeah but don't you think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/611">TS</a>]

00:10:13   colors would make people like it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/613">TS</a>]

00:10:16   kind of psychedelic huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   and Frank Gehry was like no I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20   think that and then Paul Allen said and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/620">TS</a>]

00:10:23   we're gonna need some meeting rooms in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/623">TS</a>]

00:10:24   there like square boxes with chairs big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/624">TS</a>]

00:10:28   big long chair rooms and Frankie was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/628">TS</a>]

00:10:32   like that's not what what I was building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34   and then he said and then you know on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/634">TS</a>]

00:10:36   the outside there should be some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/636">TS</a>]

00:10:38   things where we can put posters that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   like advertise upcoming shows and so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/640">TS</a>]

00:10:43   you go to Frank Gehry's website I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/643">TS</a>]

00:10:47   he's got a website but if you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   stop hearing Hervey let's say he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/649">TS</a>]

00:10:52   not acknowledge the EMP he washed his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   hands he's like I did well and more on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/654">TS</a>]

00:10:58   it he doesn't make any money from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/658">TS</a>]

00:10:59   probably oh yeah he's like take my name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01   off of the credit mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/661">TS</a>]

00:11:03   no I'm sure he took the money yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/663">TS</a>]

00:11:06   but but what Paul Ellen did was he he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/666">TS</a>]

00:11:09   got this here he got this thing built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/669">TS</a>]

00:11:12   but it was but he needed it to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/672">TS</a>]

00:11:13   something that wasn't that you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/673">TS</a>]

00:11:15   he was thinking in terms of the big like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/675">TS</a>]

00:11:21   key card buildings in the suburbs that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   he came up in it sounds like a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/683">TS</a>]

00:11:28   classic design problem or an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/688">TS</a>]

00:11:30   anti-pattern in design which is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/690">TS</a>]

00:11:33   I it's probably easy to overstate this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   but one problem for people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/695">TS</a>]

00:11:37   outside of design and don't approach it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/697">TS</a>]

00:11:38   from a certain point of view is to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   that it's really it's it's a coat of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   paint it's wrapping it's maybe you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/702">TS</a>]

00:11:45   branding but you haven't really thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   about how the space is going to be used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/707">TS</a>]

00:11:49   and so when you that is revealed when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/709">TS</a>]

00:11:51   somebody says stuff like yeah yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/711">TS</a>]

00:11:53   basically what we want to we want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/713">TS</a>]

00:11:55   fancy building the cool people will like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57   but we want the inside to be pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/717">TS</a>]

00:11:58   pedestrian and we want to put posters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   outside mm-hmm and and we should you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/720">TS</a>]

00:12:02   know and it when you look in from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04   outside like so that's what they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   with these amazon bubbles if you look in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08   from outside you see oh inside these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/728">TS</a>]

00:12:12   incredibly organic structures there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/732">TS</a>]

00:12:16   wisely them all white walls right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/736">TS</a>]

00:12:19   squared off with no windows and doors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22   and inside I'm sure there are like AV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/742">TS</a>]

00:12:26   equipment and PowerPoint stuff and ports [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/746">TS</a>]

00:12:29   and I'm sure there's a folding table out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/749">TS</a>]

00:12:32   front where you get your lanyard and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/752">TS</a>]

00:12:35   they just built a convention center that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/755">TS</a>]

00:12:38   no one is allowed in and and so that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/758">TS</a>]

00:12:44   know the idea that you would build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46   something like that and then not let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/766">TS</a>]

00:12:48   people come is is an example of the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/768">TS</a>]

00:12:51   of like the kind of tech tone-deafness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/771">TS</a>]

00:12:56   that goes with this this new idea in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/776">TS</a>]

00:13:01   big companies that you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/781">TS</a>]

00:13:02   locate your campus in the center of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   downtown and that's gonna be appealing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/784">TS</a>]

00:13:08   to employees because they're they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   going to be out at some suburban campus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/790">TS</a>]

00:13:11   they're gonna be right in the heart of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/791">TS</a>]

00:13:12   the action and Seattle is a cool city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/792">TS</a>]

00:13:15   mountain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/795">TS</a>]

00:13:16   there and get your coffee and people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/796">TS</a>]

00:13:19   you know I'm sure in their in their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   brochures when they're trying to attract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/801">TS</a>]

00:13:24   the prospective employees there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/804">TS</a>]

00:13:27   picture of a girl with pink hair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29   there's somebody throwing the fish at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/809">TS</a>]

00:13:32   the market and they're like come to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34   Seattle don't you know don't move out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/814">TS</a>]

00:13:36   Mountain View California right but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/816">TS</a>]

00:13:40   the city what the company isn't doing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/820">TS</a>]

00:13:43   repaying the city for all that cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/823">TS</a>]

00:13:47   culture that they're using to attract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   employees by adding anything back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/829">TS</a>]

00:13:52   they're just like yeah come to Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   and we'll just we'll just really I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/834">TS</a>]

00:13:56   I stating facts are these really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/836">TS</a>]

00:13:59   actually this is actually true they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/839">TS</a>]

00:14:00   actually are not gonna have like a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   of this is a place that somebody's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04   was kind of pitched as a public project [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/844">TS</a>]

00:14:06   but it's actually not going to be such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/846">TS</a>]

00:14:08   public project is that true I I do not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/848">TS</a>]

00:14:11   believe it was ever pitched as a public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/851">TS</a>]

00:14:13   project I think it's a tale in here are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   they've got that means that retail only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/855">TS</a>]

00:14:16   frame is long people but boy I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/856">TS</a>]

00:14:18   know about that I my sense of it is they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/858">TS</a>]

00:14:21   stop you at the door and if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/861">TS</a>]

00:14:25   arrange a tour a small number of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/865">TS</a>]

00:14:30   per year I guess like civic leaders I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/870">TS</a>]

00:14:34   sure I'll get a tour right I'm sure that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/874">TS</a>]

00:14:36   I'm at some point someone will say hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/876">TS</a>]

00:14:38   we're going to the get an Amazon thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/878">TS</a>]

00:14:41   you want to come and it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/881">TS</a>]

00:14:42   because it's specific leader but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/882">TS</a>]

00:14:48   your regular person who came here from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   st. Louis to spend a week in Seattle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/890">TS</a>]

00:14:53   because they've always wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   whoo-hoo were like yeah we should go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   look at the Amazon orbs and they walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   down there and you look at them and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/899">TS</a>]

00:15:03   you walk over to the door and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/903">TS</a>]

00:15:04   like can we get in and no and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/904">TS</a>]

00:15:08   pull your camera out and then somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   with a earpiece is like no pictures I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12   mean you know that I'm exaggerating that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/912">TS</a>]

00:15:14   but but that's about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16   right that's a family look so hard a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   part of it is deliberately open belting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20   a good sign this is a headline from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22   week ago today is that there will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   visitor center and mics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/924">TS</a>]

00:15:27   it's places that have a visitor center [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   are not open to everybody right you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/929">TS</a>]

00:15:33   get tours you can get like a full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   90-minute Amazon HQ tour you go to oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/935">TS</a>]

00:15:39   their visitor centers called the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/939">TS</a>]

00:15:40   understory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/940">TS</a>]

00:15:41   no Discovery exhibit yeah okay it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/941">TS</a>]

00:15:46   gonna have 300 endangered plant species [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/946">TS</a>]

00:15:49   in it but it says you know there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/949">TS</a>]

00:15:52   there's an article in geek wire in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   couple of years Amazon employees Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/954">TS</a>]

00:15:57   employees will be able to walk on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/957">TS</a>]

00:15:58   suspension bridge over a forest land and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/958">TS</a>]

00:16:01   settle into a nest perched within a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   mature tree for a brainstorming session [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/963">TS</a>]

00:16:06   and it's just like like three-quarters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/966">TS</a>]

00:16:09   of that sentence is really appealing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   what it really is saying is Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   employees are gonna have brainstorming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/973">TS</a>]

00:16:15   sessions in this place and Amazon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/975">TS</a>]

00:16:18   employees you know like and and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/978">TS</a>]

00:16:21   brainstorming session is probably gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   happen you know within for like inside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/983">TS</a>]

00:16:26   an organic skiffs no I don't think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/986">TS</a>]

00:16:29   I think they're their meeting rooms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   inside oh geez maybe you can go sit in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/991">TS</a>]

00:16:35   hammock but you know my experience of oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/995">TS</a>]

00:16:37   I went and toured the medium offices a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/997">TS</a>]

00:16:40   couple of times huh and they had they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:43   had a bunch of sleeping cubbies have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:47   been there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:48   no there were like little pods like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:51   built into the wall and and they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:53   curtains on them and you could pull the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:54   curtains back inside there was like not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:56   just a mattress it was like a Japanese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:58   hotel room how often do they clean him I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   well so I didn't ask that my first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:03   question was how often do people go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:06   and you can take naps in here what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:09   what is the highest level inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1029">TS</a>]

00:17:11   organization of someone who uses this at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:12   least weekly and the answer was no one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:15   has ever used these to take a nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:16   because if you went in and took a nap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:19   yeah you would be looked at like someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:24   who was trying to take a nap during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:25   work day you could probably you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:27   probably smoke weed in the office and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:28   get less kickback then if you went and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31   slept took a nap during work but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   are the facilities there for six people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   to be sleeping simultaneously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:37   and I said do people ever like go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:40   here and fucking the eat at night uh-huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:43   it's like no no no one ever goes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:45   there why would you go in there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:46   creepy it's like you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:47   how and probably they're cleaned every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:49   day probably they have a dedicated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:52   cleaning person to clean them but as far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:54   as I could tell pulling the employees of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56   medium no one had ever gone in those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:58   pots and I was like if I worked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:00   medium I would be in that pot ever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:02   would work from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:03   oh absolutely and the bring an iPad and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:06   recline are they yeah I'd be in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:07   the reply was well you wouldn't work a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   medium for that for long T and so tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:13   me yeah right I mean you could go down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:14   to Amazon orbs and sit around and have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:18   brainstorming sessions but to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   like sit in sit in a hammock and watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:22   the endangered butterflies fly around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   you have to be a vice president or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:25   higher anyway it's so it's so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:28   this it's an incredible missed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:30   opportunity that is that from from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:36   inside their their hive mind I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:41   they're because because you can already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:44   feel it this was this radio show was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:45   about like Amazon wants this to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:48   tourist destination they thought of they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   were thinking that when they built it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:52   like we want people to come see this we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:54   want people to wear t-shirts and to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:57   like oh Seattle that you mean the Orab [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   City you know they had that in mind but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:04   but they couldn't they didn't make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:08   leap to think if we're gonna build this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:11   it's gonna be an incredibly attractive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   nuisance to everyone like okay so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:17   got these endangered species you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:19   just open it up to everybody to just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:21   come through like a like a mall but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   gotta have a way to pay $15 at least to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:26   go in and and and sit around I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:30   know the Space Needle is not free right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32   but there you pay money and you go in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:34   something you know some way for the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:39   to access it and whatever the retail is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41   I'm sure that it's a I'm sure that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   like fifty square feet on an understory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:47   that's selling you t-shirts that have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:48   the orbs on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:49   you know there's no like that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:52   there's not gonna be a Fendi store in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:54   well I thank God for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   yeah I'm looking at images here of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:59   blight of my own city which is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1199">TS</a>]

00:20:01   Salesforce tower you seen that you mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:05   the largest tower in San Francisco is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:07   visible from every Japan town that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:10   what they say oh shit it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:14   salesforce.com Tower it's like if if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:17   Darth Vader made a water rocket I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:20   like not like this style of architecture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:21   personally it looks good in London but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:24   don't know if it's so much here Utama [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26   orbs well no i'm talking here about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:29   tower but i guess my question is this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:31   all brand new to me i've known about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:32   this for now for 20 minutes and 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1232">TS</a>]

00:20:33   seconds are you opposed to the bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:37   differently than you would be for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:39   another kind of building that was mostly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:42   not meant to be public like you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:45   have this do you have the same feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:46   about the towers that are astride the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:49   bubbles as you do about the bubbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:50   themselves do you think he gets a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:51   different bill of goods here well I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:54   think that if if Amazon wants to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1254">TS</a>]

00:21:07   the the libertarianism that is at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:11   heart of the way that that company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:13   interacts with Seattle suggests that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   they don't owe us anything right they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   built their company from the ground up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:20   they built it they brought good clean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:22   jobs to town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:23   yeah they built it themselves and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:24   only obligation to us is that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:28   bringing young people and they're paying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:29   them a lot of money and those people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:30   increased our tax base and whether or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:34   not they created a traffic fuckup and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:38   whether or not this like the sewers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:42   infrastructure in downtown is built were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:44   built to accommodate 50,000 new people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:47   who are all flushing their toilets at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:50   the same time whether or not any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:52   those things any of those larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   questions of how we interact with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:58   other like they will do the minimum to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:02   be in compliance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:03   but they don't think of them they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:06   think of themselves as integrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:10   they're their thing they built it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:13   money belongs to them and they bought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:17   that land and they can do what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:18   with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:19   and if Bezos wanted to erect a glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:22   penis 80 stories tall he wouldn't be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:25   first rich guy to build a glass penis in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:27   downtown Seattle there literally is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:30   building that looks like a penis and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:31   downtown's it's a green penis which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:36   the which is a bad color for a penis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   that's what most farm fresh peas are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   full of green penis I'm not a doctor if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:46   your penis is green it may be a side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:49   effect yeah but but so so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:56   combination of like like ego and hubris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1376">TS</a>]

00:23:03   that would allow a company to say we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:09   doing this in the center of your city we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   have the right to do it because we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:15   to do whatever we want because money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   we're not obligated to you in any way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:21   shape or form to make it I mean we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:24   to make it accessible because that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   code we have to make it like you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:29   be able to walk through it but we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   no further obligation to make it to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:34   it interact with you at all if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   have a lanyard you know you're barely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:40   welcome at the fat belly sandwich shop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:43   which is ostensibly open to the public [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:44   because they don't have a capacity to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:46   use their cash registers don't don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:49   accept money or whatever but at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:53   time they want to be loved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55   and that's the thing that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:58   cognitive disconnect they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:01   understand why people are mad at them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:03   they feel hurt and put upon when people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:07   complain well I'm also like this seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:10   like there's this kind of cereal like um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   this feeling of being oh we're so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   know we're so misunderstood yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:17   you guys you guys describe all of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:18   evilness to us that is not only not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:21   factual but it's just just unfair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:24   like we take such a beating from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:25   public you know especially given all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27   good that we're doing yeah look at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:29   this stuff we've done look at what we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:31   done for you but you know this time an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:34   aggrieved ad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:35   it's an aggrieved ad yeah and when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:38   think about it like all right well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:39   just you know you've got 50,000 people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:42   now that you brought into town nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:45   can move you didn't think of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   because that's not your problem because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   as soon as they leave the door of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:52   building it's not your problem anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:54   yeah but it is your problem where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   our problem and I mean I I'm definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:59   the idea that they sell they sell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:02   working in Seattle as a big part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:05   their compensation package because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:09   the old argument they used to make to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:11   and rock and roll like oh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:14   you're so lucky you get to play rock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:18   roll and it's like oh man it's my job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:20   I'd like to also get money but part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:23   the money has got to be just but I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   say yeah I mean it is and I'm saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   fairness but like you know Silicon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   Valley San Francisco superscooper costly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:32   even if you're making pretty good dough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:35   New York City you know tough to get an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:37   apartment that's bigger than a closet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   you could have a quality of life in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:41   Seattle with a similar kind of job with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:44   a big growing company that's you your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:47   quality of life is gonna be higher than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:48   it would be if you're living in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   kind of a hovel in Mountain View oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   absolutely I mean the the argument that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:55   they're making is not wrong my my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:58   argument is that is taking like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:04   sucking from the city but you're sucking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:09   thing from the city that nobody owns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   like you can't pay anybody for the cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:15   artists that are loafing around you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   certainly not going to pay them for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:18   their art but you you're you don't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:22   a responsibility to you're bringing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:25   people in who don't have culture right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:28   there 24 and they have computer science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:31   degrees and they don't know and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:33   live in an apartment with nothing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:35   wall like they like having access to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   like good saw and like that yeah they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:39   like you good they look good good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1599">TS</a>]

00:26:40   restaurants they like to go to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   they're learning to go to shows that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   wonderful I mean Seattle will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:46   enculturate the people that work here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1606">TS</a>]

00:26:48   because they will if they if they allow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:51   themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:52   I'm sure Amazon has programs where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   like hey come to a show with us or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:57   know like like after work groups of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   people that go do things how you see it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   you see them you see a group of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   show up at a thing and you're like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:04   look it's a bunch of young Amazon people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   all in a herd with one another like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:08   that is the process of the culture how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:14   the culture of a city works but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:16   they don't acknowledge is that that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   a cost on the people that are already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:21   living in the city who are making the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:23   thing that they're that they're selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:25   which is like an intact culture where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:28   there's a music scene and where there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:30   are you know there's room for artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:34   that don't have a lot of money to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:35   this is the thing about San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:37   that when I'm down there and talking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   musicians I did this show while I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:42   there last week where we covered the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:45   music of a couple of Wes Anderson films [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47   Rushmore and Royal Tenenbaums and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:53   you know they were probably 30 to 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:56   musicians and most of them were either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1676">TS</a>]

00:28:01   old San Francisco people like the flamin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:06   Groovy's were there Wow and who did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:10   these days what would you do I ended up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:15   doing Judy as a punk and I did a song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:19   yeah which was super fun and I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:25   the Rolling Stones tune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:28   I am waiting mm-hmm which is not one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:31   their greatest tunes but but the band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:35   behind me was really great and Kelly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:38   Stoltz was there who's a friend of mine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:42   Stoltz I know that name can we stole to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:45   the San Francisco in her though Kelly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:50   Stoltz was mobbed up with that the kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52   of like the Oringer kind of groups yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:56   yeah yeah yeah okay yeah he's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:59   musician and he hilariously covered the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:03   the echo and the Bunnymen to the seminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:06   whichever one of their records people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   consider seminal he covered that record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:11   in its entirety early last year they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:14   heard it and came to him and said we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:19   need a rhythm guitar player oh shut up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:20   you already know all the songs he's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:24   the bunny was a Russian train the record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:26   I guess it must have been I'm not I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:32   it's not that I'm against them my face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   among them kissing the tour toys show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:38   it's good ass good s record I bet it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40   mm-hm sounds like The Killers but but so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:50   Kelly is in the echo and the Bunnymen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:52   and he's out there you know those guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:53   are they're very old and crusty last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:59   time I saw him when he's okay did I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:01   didn't tell you the story I open no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:04   opened for them oh yeah okay and he came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:11   off the stage he was you know III tried [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:14   to interact with them a couple of times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16   and he very definitely was like boy I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:19   wanted Beauregard atarid are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:23   completely unintelligible and I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   knows that he is and he talks throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:28   the show into the microphone dark hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   no bugger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:31   I was loving it but he got off the stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:45   I'm standing by the backstage stairs he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   gets up the stage people are like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   somebody throws a towel around his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:50   shoulders and then there's an EMT a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:54   medic standing there he comes down the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:57   stairs and the medic hands him an oxygen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:59   mask somebody do that from me and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:03   takes like four big drafts of this like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:07   just just big big lungfuls of pure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:11   oxygen and then he's like locked by a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:14   very rare and off you want what lights a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17   cigarette and walks off and I and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:20   the EMT is packing up his stuff and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   like hey is that a real thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:26   and the guy's like no no that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:31   gonna do anything for you but he wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33   it and I was here and had oxygen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:37   they hate whatever the extra hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   fifty dollars is and he said like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   think it's just kind of a like boosts I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   mean like a maybe get a little head rush [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   but I think it's more like you feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:48   I got off stage and got some pure oxygen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1908">TS</a>]

00:31:50   I don't think and then he's kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:52   me which I thought was cute and funny I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:58   was founded eight years after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:02   Beatles broke up and the time from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:06   forming echo and the Bunnymen until now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:07   is 40 years so that feels pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:11   did you read the thing that as of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:15   couple of days ago the Berlin Wall has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   been down longer than it was up I reject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:20   that that's very great that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   troubling to me this is that night oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   goodness we've had an entire Cold War [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:26   and all we've been doing is yelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1946">TS</a>]

00:32:28   about sleeping pods in San Francisco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:31   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:35   that Salesforce tower that's handsome so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:38   you have you been in it doesn't shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:40   allow you to go Eva and I rock behind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:42   avoid downtown these days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:45   but yeah I don't know you know it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   other part of its that's weird again I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   just I'm just I'm not reading anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51   much while we're talking I'm going about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:53   what you're saying but it what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   describing also the let's say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:58   obvious thing it's it is what what some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:02   of these companies do is weird and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:05   the least tone-deaf but also they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:08   like this kind of shocked surprised that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:12   people don't like what they're doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   once they're kind of clocked doing what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:16   they're doing you know like whether that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   stuff with your data or you know stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   with your other data or building a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   bubble there's this whole sense of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   oh what do you mean like we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   we're just making tech techniques like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   why you guys getting all mad at us like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:30   like the fact that like you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:32   didn't realize we had to like ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:33   permission to make your city good look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:38   at us making you're making your stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   fucking town into a destination for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   most desirable men in America like Wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   how dare you get mad do we put some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:46   ferns in a pot downtown oh man there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:55   wasn't a Jimmy John's downtown before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:57   and now there is one song right yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:00   thank you you know I mean it's I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:03   you could overstate this but like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   know it's kind of got the meme of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   oh you know should I not have done that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:09   where it's like oh that thing we're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:12   you this app downloads your entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:13   contact list and uploads it to the clewd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:16   supposed to do that makes people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:19   frustrated that we now collate all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   data against these perma cookies from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   facebook is that weird that is that bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   and you're like yeah man that are bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27   like you know if you not only should you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:30   have asked about that but you shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   have done it you shouldn't have done it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:33   and needed to ask but doing it and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:35   asking is mega gross I don't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:38   this has happened to you oh you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:39   have a Facebook account or ever go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:41   there I have a deactivated Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:43   account that I have to use sometimes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:46   log into something but I don't post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:47   there or read there right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:50   and now so I try not to talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:52   but if you ask I will tell you I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:53   III I am one of the OGS at knowing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:56   place is a fucking garbage fire your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58   welcome it in my case I yeah but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:06   what what happened the other day was I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:10   got a DM last time I heard about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:16   getting a DM it was that you hadn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:18   gotten somebody free tickets for a show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   fast enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:21   uh-huh that's the last one I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:22   cuz that's where you go you go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   Facebook and you go past for somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:26   that they hadn't given you a free thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:27   fast and I get the MS people give me the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:30   MS and and I don't I don't mind him I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:33   take you DM sure um you know don't do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:36   all the time I don't want I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:38   to hear about things I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:39   hear about but if you've got something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:40   you want to tell me it is literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:45   something private you know there you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   I mean it isn't private that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49   showing me your pictures your family cuz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   I don't know you yeah that's not a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   that needed to be private but but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   have a question or you want to talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:57   me yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:57   so anyway I got a DM and I did what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2157">TS</a>]

00:36:01   often do which is I went and clicked on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   the thing to see their profile because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05   want to know who I'm talking to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:06   a lot of times somebody will be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:09   yeah and I'm like do I know you and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:15   I go on their Facebook page I'm like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:17   do know you like you're the guy that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:20   went on that long road trip with I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:21   wouldn't have remembered your name but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:23   you and I are friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25   yep so I got as opposed to being for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:28   example a public relations person who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   acts like they know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:31   exactly not that cuz that's the thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:34   that this person comes on the thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   they're like hey hey what's up man or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:39   something in it and you know usually you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   know when it's a bot or when it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:42   patrol but this was just it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   plausible enough like did I tell you I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:47   started getting emails from ben shapiro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:49   do you know who that is yeah and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:52   these emails started coming into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:54   inbox and the problem is I know eight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:58   people whose names are some combination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:02   of Ben Shapiro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:04   sure sure sure sure I know like are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   also the future of the conservative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   movement yeah no they're not right I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:12   have a lot of friends that are like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   have a lot of friends that are named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:15   Shapiro I have a lot of friends that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:16   whose names you know are in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   larger family but but not the larger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:22   family event just the smaller family I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:25   have 40 friends named Ben so I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:28   getting these emails and I would open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:29   them because I'm like Oh Ben Shapiro's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:31   got a question or oh yeah ben shapiro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33   wants me to and then i would open and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   i'd be like ah sticky on you yeah and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:41   anyway this facebook DM was from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:44   person that seemed plausible and I went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:48   to click on their thing and I and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:51   couldn't get to their profile it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:53   like uh you would click on and it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:55   say you know actions a thumbs up delete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2275">TS</a>]

00:38:00   block and I'm like stuff I don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:03   do any of those things I just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   see who this is that's trying to talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:06   me and I click on it again I click over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:09   here I click on the little wheel I click [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:11   on the on the widget I click on the flag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   and it's like would you like to add this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:17   person to your contacts would you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:18   to save this conversation options would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:22   you like to give them a wave would you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:23   like to give him a poke a little little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:27   pat on the fanny and I'm like no no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   no no I want to see who the fuck this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:33   couldn't do it and and dedicated five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:37   minutes to a 5 frustrating minutes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:40   trying to figure out why I couldn't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:43   who this was uh-huh well a day or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:47   later I read a thing that says Facebook [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:50   has decided to incur open up messenger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:57   their shit EDM platform to people that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2337">TS</a>]

00:39:01   don't even have Facebook pages because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:04   they want their DM program to to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:10   new SMS oh it's like as a green bubble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   text yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:14   I know right I mean somebody from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:15   outside the ecosystem you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   right but because China I guess won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:21   allow Facebook but they don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   miss out on the on the a billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:26   customers they've figured out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:27   workaround which is now you can just use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   messenger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:30   well what they've done is they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   introduced now into the system the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:34   possibility that some spammer comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:38   of nowhere and I don't even I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:39   verify their Facebook's bug slash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:43   features was you had to prove that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:45   or you equals equals zero that your name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:46   is you I thought that too but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:50   there's this person and now subsequently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:53   they've come back a second time and been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   like wave hi mmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58   but it's a spam because they haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:00   said anything they're not asking me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   anything I don't want to just like be on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:03   there waving at you whoever you are but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:07   like there's still the possibility that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:08   the third time they're gonna write me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:10   they're gonna say hey don't you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:14   you know because it's like don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:15   remember me they might actually be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:16   somebody that I know right no I I I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:19   you're explaining this just fine I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:20   exactly what you're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:22   but you have to determine is this an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24   actual person if this is a person can I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:26   judge what their intent is because I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:29   so fucking sick of being punked out by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:31   PR people and robots that it has made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:34   suspicious and a little cynical about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:37   that and it's sort of like the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:40   anybody who ever knew me mostly would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:43   not call me on the phone like you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45   called me on the phone I pick up it says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   it's John I pick it up but like but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   it's a pretty good sign that it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   anybody I know or want to talk to you if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   they if they call me on the phone and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   various spam filtering apps on iPhone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:58   tell me that like the vast majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2458">TS</a>]

00:40:59   phone calls I get are garbage it just it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   says it right there and at a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   point you know you have to we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:06   permissive model of communication that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   used to be a really good idea which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   that whether you're talking about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:11   telephone you're talking about email the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   democratizing force of that was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:14   anybody can reach out to anybody and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:16   like it's it is it's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   democratizing idea but like now we're at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:20   a point where when you reach a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:21   where most of the inbound communication [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:23   is harassment or junk maybe that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:26   model that we need to flip around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:27   until that model is flipped around I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:29   do I spend 15 minutes on due diligence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:31   before 30 to spending 30 seconds saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   thanks for the note yeah right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   that's just how my fucking broken brain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:37   is it's like I don't want to get in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:38   conversation with a PR person and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   feed them stuff that makes them think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   that they are cleft onto me and can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   count on me to go you know promote their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:46   energy drink or whatever just I'm just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:49   tired of that it's just blue so you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:53   I was sitting thinking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55   internal logic at Facebook where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:58   have one of the largest media companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:02   and tech companies in the world although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04   they said I'm not a media company and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   they are worth billions and billions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   everybody there is richer than Croesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:11   said are you saying I don't think I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:16   the reference well it's fun then is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:20   bleeding over from your other goddamn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:22   show I think I just learned about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2542">TS</a>]

00:42:24   fenestration that was a very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:25   episode crease did you like it you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:28   you want me to tell you the truth yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   absolutely was not super into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   for the two or three episodes I listened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34   to and I thought this calculation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   John I don't like this show that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:37   and then I listened to more of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   I've come to really enjoy it and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   I think some episodes are way better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:42   than others in a way that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:44   eventually balance out but your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2564">TS</a>]

00:42:45   chemistry is actually really good and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   ken is genuinely fucking funny yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:50   think the bouncing checks joke is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   stupidest the smart joke I've ever heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:54   and he had it ready he wrote it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:56   night before anyway yeah I just I give a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:58   thumbs-up I'll go listen to I'm the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   bus's it's a good show there were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   first couple were pretty stiff we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   trying to figure out how to do it yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:06   think that Ken he's so funny and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:09   I've been meaning to he's so funny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   fast and I can you know why I like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:12   because I you know you start to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   somebody when they make the joke that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   you would have made and I'm like oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:17   guy's good fast I think I just want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:21   empower him to interrupt me more you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   know he's very polite right and vice for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:26   doing a podcast with you that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:27   people could take yeah yeah I want him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:30   to I want him to say yeah I want him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:34   say his joke mm-hmm you know he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   the joke and he's being he's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:39   little microphone shy like he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:42   want to jump in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:43   is my step on you yeah but but we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:45   sitting across from each other at a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:46   table so I can see him so if he's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:49   like jump in it there it'll be visible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:52   on his eyes then it went you know if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   listen to that show it's not really very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:56   edited we just don't talk over each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2636">TS</a>]

00:43:58   other because we're looking at each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2638">TS</a>]

00:43:59   other and but yeah I'm proud of it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:03   think it's getting better all the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:04   well good for you I'm glad I'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   you're doing it yeah thanks I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:08   think it's Croesus I think it's Croesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:10   mmm but but it doesn't I liked those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:13   names it sound like it might be somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:15   from ancient Greek Greece or Rome or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:16   could be somebody from West Virginia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:20   Cletus well Croesus was very rich King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:23   Croesus and when you say richer than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:26   Croesus you're saying that that's a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28   of describing you are describing someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:31   as being rich I'll save that barometer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:34   okay thank you but but so thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:38   internally in Facebook uh-huh there the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:41   business culture that if that is saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:45   rather than saying let's improve the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:48   user experience for the billion people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   who are using our platform let's make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:53   better for them let's make it a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:56   environment let's make it a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:59   product their mentality is how do we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:03   another billion people to use this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:07   if getting another billion people to use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   this makes it worse for the billion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:11   customers we have that's not our problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:14   like we need to just keep patching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:18   holes in in our program because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:22   are you know they got nowhere else to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:23   if they want to show pictures to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   grandma but what we want is a is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:28   billion more users that's our business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   model and that's so different from what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:33   the attitude of business was up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:36   recent times you know the attitude of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:39   business back when it was the customer's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:41   always right what you want to do is get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2741">TS</a>]

00:45:44   a customer for life and keep them happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   and that person will will tell their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:49   friends and come back and use your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:51   buying tires this time they'll be back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:54   in a few years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:54   right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:57   he contrasts that with now which is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   like well you know you have to use our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   product cuz we're because we bought all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   the competitors and we're just you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:06   you're not gonna like it but you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:10   log in to any of the other things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:13   want to do on the web without using us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:15   now because because basically we've made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:18   it so that either you one click into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:24   this this new thing through Facebook or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   you spend 15 minutes filling out a form [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:29   and it's like okay you're right yet my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:32   laziness and my like my my laziness is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:37   my culpability but it's just it's so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:43   don't I don't know we you and I both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:46   have many many many many opportunities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:47   on our various shows to talk about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:51   disappointed we are in the Internet but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   but this this situation or Amazon has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:57   built some orbs now I just got a letter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2817">TS</a>]

00:47:00   just as we were sitting here from radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   station and they're saying they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:18   need me on the show they're gonna have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   some architects come on instead and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:24   the woman Amana who I was speaking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:27   and I kind of ranted at her for a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2847">TS</a>]

00:47:28   about this she says I guess Amazon does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:33   have a few ways to let the public see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   the spheres limited but they have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:39   visitor exhibit section and they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   cooperate tours that's nice but you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:46   to schedule them and they are only on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:47   Wednesdays so I guess technically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:51   public if they plan in advance can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:52   interact with them a bit but I still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:55   think it's an interesting conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:56   thanks for your time oh and I don't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2876">TS</a>]

00:48:01   to mock her she's trying to do a radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:03   she's got a job to do but bringing in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:07   architects I mean you know you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:08   the generals run the war you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:09   saying that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:10   gonna be like well I think Barbara for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:14   um there's not enough electrical outlets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:18   but but so Amazon is covering their ass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:21   and anybody that's listening to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23   show that works at Amazon that is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:24   partisan is gonna say you can go on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:27   Wednesdays yeah I mean it's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   it's booked through March of 2024 but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:33   get your name on a list yeah yeah yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:41   guess it's it's you know I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:44   it's easy to there's so many things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:45   be outraged about these days for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   reasons and there's so many things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   outraged about that statement I'm sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:52   Philip bug there's so much stuff that um [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:55   just kind of Royals inside of you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:57   like so for me like I just don't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:58   about Facebook anymore because I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:00   want to be that guy who's like yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:03   no you're just figuring that out boop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:04   boop I hate that guy on the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:05   stop being that person on the Internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   oh oh you didn't notice that till no you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:10   know it's like oh god just don't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:13   so I don't do that because I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:14   there's anything that fruitful in me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:15   going see I told you Facebook was bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   and dumb but there's also this that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:21   too much called a lobster trap but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:22   too too much but there are these kinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:24   of things where you're like well well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   guess we got to where we are now and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   do we feel about that and it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:30   the Menino one the now discredited myth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:33   but the still useful analogy of the frog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:34   in boiling water where it becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   question of well if we need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:37   another billion users and we need to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:38   this adoption to move up if it's bad I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:43   think that's a huge issue for Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:44   where they're not growing anywhere near [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   where they need to for their valuation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   so then you get into this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   saying like well you know we can just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:52   keep moving these buttons around and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:53   you can thread tweets and there's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:54   this kind of stuff even though I mean of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:57   course the chorus the response that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:59   well what about what about the abuse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:01   Nazis is that a thing you're gonna make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:02   a button for cuz that's really upsetting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:03   to a lot of people who've been here from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   the beginning but you have to you end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:08   doing this kind of funny calculation in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   your head of saying like oh okay if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:11   you're saying if they want to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13   another billion users or whatever it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   on Facebook or on Twitter then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   becomes this weird I guess it becomes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:18   balancing act of how many people will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:20   tolerate those changes for how long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:23   or that just goes somewhere else at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:25   time when you and I you know during the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:27   full full fruition of our relationship I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:30   feel like the big thing was MySpace and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   there was a time when everybody thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:33   there's no way anything will be bigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:35   than myspace it was such a juggernaut [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   and then I think Facebook you know kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39   of took that over and myspace still has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   its demographics and localities where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:43   it's very popular but I don't know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:45   don't have a smart opinion about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:46   but like as somebody who is outside of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:49   the boiling pot I'm a frog outside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:50   pod I I do think it's interesting that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:54   people using Facebook seem to bring to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3054">TS</a>]

00:51:00   it the approximate joy of draining a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:01   wound near their eye it's the same way I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:04   felt I never saw anybody look happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06   using a blackberry and these days I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   never see anybody happy there's nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:11   who's excited about Facebook anymore as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:13   a veteran user that's might maybe not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   entirely true but people have been using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:16   it for five or more years I think by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:18   large they will all tell you that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:21   do it out of this grudging sense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:22   obligation now maybe it's because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   their family and they need to post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26   photos there maybe it's because of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:27   work but you know I mean if who looks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:30   forward to using LinkedIn like who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   excited about you know what I mean and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:35   don't know I mean I don't I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:36   where the inflection point comes maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   some of the improvements they make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:40   attract another billion people are also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:41   good for the people who are already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:42   there but and that's kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:44   interesting balancing act is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46   kinds of things that make the system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   more permissive are generally the kinds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   of things that make other people feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51   more exposed when you make it easier for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:54   randos and new accounts to get to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:56   without any way for me to control that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58   like that's not good for me that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:00   good for anybody and I'm a fucking 51 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:02   year old white guy I have the easiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:04   thing in the whole world but did you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:07   example did you see the New York Times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:07   article yesterday I believe it was about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:10   buying followers did you see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   article no followers huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:16   can you still buy Paul oh absolutely but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:19   this I'll leave it to you to go go look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21   it up at your leisure but I thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   was everybody's been talking about it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   lot especially on political Twitter the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   last couple days because they used some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:30   data visualizations data analysis that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:33   extremely interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:35   long story short this particular company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:39   that sells followers for one thing they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:42   are basically taking in some cases [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   acquiring the accounts of real people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   and like like those the the zombie the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:49   zombie that eats out an ant's brain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:52   it turns your account into one of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54   follower accounts now that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:55   deploy but it leaves a fingerprint you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   can sometimes see that there are these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3177">TS</a>]

00:53:00   changes or these new accounts that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:01   all happening at roughly the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:03   and when somebody buys X number of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:05   followers it's it's a thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:08   fingerprints are left behind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   this certain pattern that is very almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12   easy to detect because a lot of hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:14   work went into it but when you look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   it it's it's staggering how similar the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   pattern is so you see these these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   nerds at the New York Times do this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:22   great work and then you think like man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:24   first of all Twitter it was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   Twitter's very good API to let them do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:28   that analysis they have a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3208">TS</a>]

00:53:29   permissive API that's fairly powerful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   for doing data analysis that's super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33   cool but jesus fucking christ how hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   would it be for them to do that how hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   would it be for them to go in and look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:40   for patterns that are just blindingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   obvious this for a long time was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44   boobs and butts problem where every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:46   time you post something a picture of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:48   boob or a butt would favorite it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:50   think that's kind of gone down the part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:53   that astonished me about that though was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:54   there was such a similarity to every one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:57   of the accounts you don't even need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:58   have deep learning to go like Oh are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:00   there boobs in this picture just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:01   very way there was always a pin tweet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   that was about this kind of subject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05   matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:05   they're always these kinds of things in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   the bio there's always you can even look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09   at the links to the like dot are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:10   sites or whatever it's just kind of shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:12   we're like I don't even barely know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3252">TS</a>]

00:54:14   to use fucking Excel and I could see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:15   pattern if I had if I had if I had two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:18   months of Perl I'd be able to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:19   something that would be able to identify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:20   plus or minus twenty percent probably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:23   thousands of these accounts so that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:26   mean now I am fucking ranting but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:28   the part that's frustrating is like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:29   is their party guys this is their this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:32   is their house this is your couch dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3272">TS</a>]

00:54:35   you're letting everybody come in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:36   shit on and then like we're at work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   she's expected to sit there and go wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:39   that was a really good shit yeah that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:40   was awesome great like why don't they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42   use some of that firepower they've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   when I mean and a cynical person would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:46   say well I'll tell you why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   there's a reason they they don't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   anything to try and curtail the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:52   extreme voices and it's the same reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   that clickbait headlines get lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   comments every comment and every comment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:58   is at least three page views every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00   we're outraged and reload we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:02   engaging at a level that is exactly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:05   kind of metric that they are selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:06   right now so you know it's like that old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3306">TS</a>]

00:55:08   thing was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:09   what's-his-name says about like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   never expect anybody to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:12   something that you know jeopardizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   their job that's the frustrating part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:16   and then they just play it off legit and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3316">TS</a>]

00:55:17   go yeah we're trying real hard here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:18   our update like sorry for all the Nazis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:20   I mean I when I say that the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:26   business model was customer's always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:28   right I know that there are there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:31   lot of eye rolling about my 1940s idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:36   of what capitalism is but this isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:41   better and it isn't an evolution it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:47   very a very narrow idea of what business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:52   is and it's you know the narrow idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:56   people that have only studied business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   and they have not I mean it's the in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:03   some ways the rise of the business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:04   school because it used to be that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:08   went to university and you studied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:10   things and then you went and you started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   a business and if you go to business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:14   school and you study business you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:18   studying you know in a lot of ways a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:21   very kind of culty discipline where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:27   things are in fashion and out of fashion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   and just but you're also you're starting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:32   with these infrastructural things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:36   without regard to what it is that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:38   are quote unquote selling they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:40   very very foreign to someone like you or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:42   me like you didn't get into music by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:44   saying hey what what what kind of music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   should I be recording to sell the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:48   records right or how can I sell t-shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:50   what's a good way to sell t-shirts I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:51   know I'll make some band music yes right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:54   like you know they're going to business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:56   school with no novel idea they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:59   going there because they built a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   Mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:01   and they want to sell it they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:03   there just like I'm going to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   business and then they learn business [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:09   and then are frantically casting about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:12   trying to find a way to have something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:16   to do a business about yeah to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:17   business mm-hm and and so some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:21   think like oh I'm gonna you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   gonna go out and talk to inventors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25   some and a lot of them are just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:27   what what can I get that will attract [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   attention to me long enough that I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   cash out and then there are these models [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:34   like Twitter there was a there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:37   proposal and I forget exactly who made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39   it and I thought and I responded to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:42   kind of like this is amazing why don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:44   we do this and I know that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:46   flawed premise but also it's it was a it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:51   was suggestive of a way of thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:54   which was why don't we put together a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:59   like a multinational entity to buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:04   Twitter that is the current valuation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:06   and make it a non-profit because it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:11   in its older version was such a benefit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:16   to the world honestly I think it was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:20   know it did fulfill the promise of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:23   what would happen if everybody could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:24   just talk and you know so many of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:27   friends came from Twitter like people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:30   that I know in real life who changed my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:33   job if it hadn't been for Twitter I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35   would have not I mean I done podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   before but I mean real talk if I had not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39   been on Twitter I would not have met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:40   Scott and Adam I would not have done you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:42   look nice today and I would not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:43   seen podcasts as a thing that I could do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:45   as something like my job right stop if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:48   it weren't for Twitter and favor that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:49   would have happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3529">TS</a>]

00:58:50   me too right I would never have I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:53   met Amy man after a show and she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:56   like you covered my song and and you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:59   it wrong and I was like I know but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:01   didn't practice that much and she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:03   like yeah well pretty good kid keep it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:06   up and I was like loll you're Amy man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:09   high five but then the next day she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:12   followed me on Twitter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:14   and I was like wow you know shit and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:18   I followed her back and I was like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   what's up and she was like loll and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:23   said and and then within four months she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:33   said will you fly back to having never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:36   seen her since she said will you fly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:38   back to New York City and do a show in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:40   Central Park with me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:41   where we cover Simon & Garfunkel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:44   Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:46   to be there and I said only happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmEOns-s4/3586">TS</a>]