H.I. #96: The Humblehug
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looking pretty rough these days it's a
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neck to coat Jesse Plemons in case
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people think it actually isn't so this
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chief tactical officer he's sort of a
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second place invisible guy at the
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company like the actual CEO has taken
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all of the glory and he's just there
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doing all the grunt work to actually
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make the thing work he's like a genius
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loser yeah he's a genius loser excellent
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that's an excellent way to put it yeah
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and what he has done is he has created
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at home a private version of this online
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universe he's turned it into like a Star
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Trek simulator for himself that he can
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play in and what he has done at work is
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people that have slighted him or people
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that he seems interested in in some
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he has a machine where if he has a piece
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of their DNA he can reproduce them in
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the simulation of this Star Trek
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universe that he has at home and he has
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them like trapped inside of this
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simulation and because it's his he's
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powerful in the simulation and he forces
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them to go along with this fantasy
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version of Star Trek where he is the
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captain and he gets to act out on them
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in ways that he couldn't in the real
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world so he's able to like bully the guy
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who bullies him at work and live in this
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fantasy world at home with these
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captured simulations of the people that
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he works with he quite missed rates them
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yes as time goes by we realize he's
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mistreating them and psychologically
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torturing some of them yes so if I had
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to guess Brady I'm gonna guess your your
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main problem with this was my main
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problem is that he has this machine that
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can read the DNA of his coworkers and it
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can recreate them in the simulation
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which I'm totally fine with so far so
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good but somehow they have the memories
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of the people in the office
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right up until the moment he has taken
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their DNA swab which I feel like is a
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major problem in the structure of the
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story it is very hard to get around how
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do these people recreate it from their
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DNA remember what their life was like it
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is a big thing to put to one side
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intellectually yeah but I was able to do
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it I just sort of just that it was in my
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head a lot it was bothering me because I
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felt like it was structurally solvable
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pretty well yeah in the episode it's
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like look just have a machine at the
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office where you're scanning people to
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make models for your game and he's
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secretly installed a brain scanner as
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well and nobody knows right like just
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yeah you can just add one more magic
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piece of technology and it's fine then I
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can get past it but obviously with all
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these things you have to have some kind
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of suspension of disbelief and it's
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always that delicate balance but I did
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feel like ooh God the initial scene when
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our our main protagonist is waking up in
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the Star Trek simulation and she doesn't
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speak for a while and she's wandering
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around the ship I was I was literally in
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my head I was saying to myself please
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don't let her have the memories of the
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person who just got scared like please
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don't let her have the memories it'll be
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a much better episode if she doesn't
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have like ah she has the memories that's
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not how it works
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but yeah so yeah I was able to get past
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it but I felt like that was yeah that
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was no good and really I'm solvable it
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was the big problem other things I
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didn't like about it I'll just quickly
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get out of the way mm-hmm humor mostly
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worked but there are a few times when it
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tried to be really confronting with like
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you know a bit of vulgar language you'll
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have a big moment where it was like wow
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wow that was awesome mm-hm and that
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sometimes felt a bit forced like another
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thing I guess I didn't totally like was
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some of the resolution was dealt with in
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bit of an action film II type way
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breaking into a house or doing something
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or flying a ship in some action II way I
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just felt like it was a bit beneath - oh
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that was so clever and intellectual for
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it to have a few action muscular moments
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that saved the day but it didn't really
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bother me yeah the the beneath it
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comment there I think is is on point
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because not to bring it up but there
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a few moments that reminded me of Star
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Wars in that they're doing humor but
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they're doing like a genre joke like
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when I watch these episodes this meta
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story about being in the matrix in some
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way I find very stressful to watch if
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it's even done with a little bit of
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competence right and and black mirror
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has a lot of competence and so the very
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proposition that these characters can be
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here for ungodly amounts of time or they
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can suffer in indescribable ways like I
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find that just very anxiety inducing
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because I feel like there's something
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that is like a real problem here that we
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may have to face at some point in the
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future in the way that other works of
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fiction don't get me in the same way
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like black mirror really amps up my
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anxiety very high you're really worried
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about the welfare of your iPad aren't
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you it's not a joke but I really am I
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made that all kind of comment many
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episodes ago but I really do think that
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there is a way that all of our computers
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could be silently screaming and we're
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just unable to perceive it so I really
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think there is a genuine problem here
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that a lot of these stories are trying
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to express but this was the first black
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mirror episode that there were a number
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of points where it was doing something
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serious and then it undercuts with a
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joke in the same way and I thought like
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oh god please please don't let this kind
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of humor infect everything and I'm
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afraid that this sort of humor is
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popular with audiences and I just can't
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stand it when it's a little bit too
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Winky at the camera and for me this
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episode that the pinnacle moment of that
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is in the final culmination when they're
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there in their spaceship and they're
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trying to escape
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and she's like okay we we can go and
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that the guy who's gonna drive the
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spaceship doesn't do anything and he
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says oh you're supposed to say engage
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right or make it so or something like
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that and she says she's just can go
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right like but it's played as a joke and
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it's like nobody would do that under the
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circumstance like they're all trying to
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escape the guy who's driving the ship
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would not make like a genre joke at this
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moment it was very strange
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it's very strange I'll say the two
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things I liked most about it okay one
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was I loved what they did with the look
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of it how at the start it was like four
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by three aspect ratio and really crummy
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effects like the early days of Star Trek
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because this guy the main character he
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loves this show called space fleet which
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is essentially Star Trek and I loved how
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it evolved through the show without you
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kind of realizing until the final couple
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of scenes when they're like all
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futuristic in their uniforms have become
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all modern Star Trek even has like all
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the JJ Abrams lens flare all over the
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place it was really clever the way they
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evolved through the show the way Star
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Trek has evolved over the years I
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thought that was really nice I noticed
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it more the second time you know it was
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so gradual and subtle that I thought
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that was really like that and the other
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thing I thought was really excellent was
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all the performances were good but
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especially the performance of fat Matt
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Damon Jesse Plemons who he played a
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great game as an actor I I loved the
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contrast between what he was like as
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nerdy guy in the office and then I loved
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the way he played the captain the way he
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affected his voice and hid the swagger
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he had in the look like I feel like he
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was having so much fun playing at going
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between those two characters I've seen
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him act in other things before and just
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thought I he's okay but I thought he he
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had a real stonker in this episode and I
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tip my hat to him it was a really really
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fun good performance in lots of ways
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yeah it was interested they did a great
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job with the fake Star Trek I kept
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thinking like oh um it looks like they
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spent a lot of money on these sets and
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the costumes and everything and I kept
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kind of thinking back to that episode I
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think it was last season where they had
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the bees like the bees are attacking
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people and they had the worst cheapest
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looking CGI bees and it was like they
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had run out of money at the end of the
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season to do the effects on that show
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and I was like oh great like someone
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decided hey give the black mirror people
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a bunch of budget and they made a really
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great fake sixties esque looking ship it
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was like a real set and the costumes
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they did a fantastic job I think they
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got some people who really liked Star
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Trek in to capture a lot of the look of
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without having it be Star Trek but
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everything looks so Star Trek II they
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must have gotten the Galaxy Quest team
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on this one where it's like Galaxy Quest
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did the same thing it's like an amazing
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job Galaxy Quest perhaps the best Star
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Trek movie ever made so yeah all of that
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was that was done really well and now
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that you say it I feel like I didn't
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really notice the evolution over time
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from the older to the more modern but
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now that you mention it I can see it's
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much more obvious the last couple of
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scenes have got that really really oh
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yeah lens flare like almost like
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offensive over-the-top we're like you
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know how like JJ Abrams just went crazy
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with it for a while there it was really
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like that that's when it became really
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obvious oh I see what you've done there
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for the record I love the JJ Abrams Star
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Trek lens flare I actually and I'm a big
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fan of that I like to thumbs-up on that
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one because there was there was one
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point where they're in this Star Trek
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universe and there's a monster that
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appears that's a CGI monster and my note
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was actually that I thought it should
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still look like the 60s monster because
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I thought the CGI seemed a little bit
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out of place where there's like people
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in bad costumes and then this very
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good-looking CGI monster appears but now
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it makes more sense in retrospect that's
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like know now that they were cranking up
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the look of the show and I was still
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thinking of it like that that opening
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scene shot in 4:3 that had really
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terrible in terms of the
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thought-provoking side of it because
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that's you know even when there's a few
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plot holes in black mirror and there
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often is because they're just putting it
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so far out there but they always get you
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thinking don't they and in terms of the
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thing that I was thinking about was not
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as much the the torture of computers
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although that obviously was a big part
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of the thing you know what's it like to
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live in this in a simulation is a
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inhumane the thing that I was thinking
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about was the interestingness of whether
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or not the villain of the piece you know
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our captain was actually doing anything
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wrong because like in real life he was
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polite and decent and other than the
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fact he stole a bit of saliva off a can
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of drink which is a bit creepy he was
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like a normal nice guy albeit a bit shy
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and stuff and as far as he was concerned
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in like computer
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and all he was like being cruel to were
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virtual things he was just like you know
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virtually acting out his fantasy of
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being a domineering captain and a
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you know on the deck treating women a
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bit disrespectfully but it was like it
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was his fantasy that he would never do
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in real life so he was doing all these
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things like in his head and in a game
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and yet as the show went along it was
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like he was being portrayed as a bad
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human so I think one of the questions
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that show raises is are we a bad person
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if we do bad things in our fantasies
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yeah what did he know how cruel it was
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did he know those people in the game had
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feelings and were like I don't know did
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he know that what did and did they were
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they real yeah I mean there's many
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things him I read on the episode is that
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he knows yeah that's my take on it is he
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knows that they're real with real
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experiences and he knows that he's
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torturing them in this simulation so he
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deserves he's come up in this yeah I
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think he does deserve his comeuppance
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that question is the same question that
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I feel like Westworld got at really
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deeply as well is if we presume that
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there is a way to know that the
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simulations or the robots are not
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conscious and they have no experiences
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is a person a bad person for in quotes
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torturing them in ways that we would
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recognize as torture to a real conscious
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person and I think my take on this is
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strictly morally speaking no nothing
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wrong is is happening here and if a
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person who tortures conscious less
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Nostromo --tz--
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in real life is a polite person who
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never harms anybody and it's just like a
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regular member of society they don't
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think that they're doing anything
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morally wrong
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but there is a little asterisk here
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which is like even if they're only ever
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acting out fantasies in a virtual world
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the intensity or duration of time that
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they spend in that virtual world like
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tells you something about that person in
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the same way that's like there is nobody
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on the face of the earth who hasn't at
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some point had some dark fantasies about
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revenge against their jerk boss right
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everybody has done that it's like a
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reflexive human thought but you would
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feel differently if you knew that
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someone was constantly thinking about
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revenge against their boss even wrote a
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book about it yeah like even if you knew
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they had no intentions to do it in the
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real world but you also knew that they
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just constantly thought about torturing
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their boss to death I feel like it would
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tell you something about that person
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even if they never act out on that yeah
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I feel like this is the conclusion I've
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had to come to thinking about all of
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these like simulation stories nothing
02:14:29
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wrong is happening assuming that there
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is no conscious suffering but it's not
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like a great indicator if somebody
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spends all of their free time in a Star
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Trek simulation torturing a virtual
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version of their boss even if that
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virtual boss does not suffer yeah I
02:14:48
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guess the fact that as the show develops
02:14:50
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and they try to escape and then he
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realizes they're trying to escape and
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sort of tries to put the cork in the
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bottle shows that maybe he does realize
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there's some kind of consciousness or
02:15:01
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going on but yeah I think there's a lot
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to indicate that he knows that they are
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conscious that he is aware of this and
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at the end when he's trying to prevent
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them to escape yes without a doubt he
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knows that they are conscious because
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otherwise it doesn't make any sense that
02:15:15
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is also like the very end of the episode
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is where it there is a little bit more
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that starts falling apart for me because
02:15:23
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it's like oh they're trying to escape
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from him but he's like the administrator
02:15:27
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of the computer that they're on he
02:15:29
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doesn't have to chase them in a
02:15:31
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virtual spaceship like he can just pause
02:15:34
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the game and shut down the computer at
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any point he want like they engage in
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this weird chase scene that feels
02:15:40
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totally bizarre and forced to have a
02:15:44
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moment of action like you're saying it's
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like they want some kind of dramatic
02:15:47
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action he ending to the movie and
02:15:49
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they're going to make it happen whether
02:15:52
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or not it makes sense in the rules of
02:15:54
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this universe or not they somehow took
02:15:56
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away some of his powers didn't they when
02:15:58
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they took his controller and stuff I got
02:16:00
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a bit convoluted but and yeah he could
02:16:02
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have woken up I guess and pulled the
02:16:04
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power plug out but maybe he didn't want
02:16:06
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to lose this world he'd crafted over so
02:16:08
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long but but he was still it's like I've
02:16:09
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run programs on my computer there's ways
02:16:12
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to just pause them pressure and change
02:16:14
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what the variables are he had his
02:16:15
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all-powerful controller back anyway
02:16:17
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there's some things that just don't make
02:16:18
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sense it's like oh he can torture them
02:16:21
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with his mind at any point that he wants
02:16:23
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but not remotely it doesn't make any
02:16:26
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sense there it's like it did feel a bit
02:16:28
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like black mirror was going in the big
02:16:30
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dumb action movie route yeah and also
02:16:33
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having a subplot where someone breaks
02:16:35
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into his apartments to steal the DNA and
02:16:38
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I was like how did she this random
02:16:40
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intern at a company become like a like a
02:16:42
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great cat burglar or like how did she
02:16:45
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get up this building it doesn't make any
02:16:46
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sense as dumb this was my problem with
02:16:48
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it as well hey when I say it went
02:16:50
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beneath it's safe it was a bit it gotta
02:16:52
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be done at the end but I also thought
02:16:54
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the end maybe was a bit the last few
02:16:57
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seconds was maybe a bit crackers okay so
02:16:59
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►
in the ending the the characters escape
02:17:03
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his main computer and they get out into
02:17:05
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the actual online version of the game
02:17:08
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into the cloud they escaped into the
02:17:11
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cloud yeah there's a dumb part in this
02:17:13
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ending because these are conscious
02:17:17
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people the main character from her
02:17:19
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perspective two days ago was a human
02:17:22
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living in the world and is now trapped
02:17:25
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in a video game simulation for eternity
02:17:28
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and they do have the ending be like a
02:17:31
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weird well we now have this universe to
02:17:34
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explore like let's go fly around in our
02:17:36
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spaceship which is a totally bizarre
02:17:38
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►
ending well I don't know how else they
02:17:40
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►
could end it because she can't get out
02:17:42
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she can't go and have like a body and
02:17:43
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live in the world
02:17:44
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he still exists in the world the real
02:17:46
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her sons she has no option really I mean
02:17:48
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what they wanted to do and what they
02:17:49
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were trying to do of course was commit
02:17:51
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suicide they all thought they were going
02:17:53
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to die which is what they wanted the
02:17:55
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fact they ended up getting to live and
02:17:57
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have free will and an adventure and not
02:18:00
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be dominated was kind of like a surprise
02:18:02
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bonus mm-hmm so if there's one thing
02:18:05
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black mayor has taught us is that if you
02:18:07
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are a computer simulation you will long
02:18:09
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for oblivion like nothing else that is
02:18:11
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the only thing that you want is to
02:18:13
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simply not exist and that was their goal
02:18:15
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in in this show yeah but the ending felt
02:18:18
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strange to me and it did feel like a big
02:18:19
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►
dumb actually movie because it was like
02:18:21
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they wanted a positive upbeat ending I
02:18:25
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think maybe that's gonna be a trend in
02:18:27
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►
this series oh my god I really hope not
02:18:29
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►
the one thing I like about Black Mirror
02:18:31
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►
is I feel like that they're not afraid
02:18:33
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►
to follow the conclusion to its end yeah
02:18:38
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►
and I kind of thought that I was that
02:18:40
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►
the the ending of this episode would
02:18:42
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►
redeem itself because the natural
02:18:44
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►
conclusion is actually it leans right
02:18:48
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into a typical black mirror horrifying
02:18:50
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ending which is no you don't get to die
02:18:53
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now you're in the game universe and
02:18:56
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guess what there's just players here who
02:18:59
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are real people who you can be tormented
02:19:03
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by or you have to run away from or fight
02:19:06
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and it will never end you're just stuck
02:19:09
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here there is no world for you
02:19:10
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that's left over like that that feels
02:19:13
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like a really horrifying ending and it
02:19:14
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was it was weird to be like Oh second
02:19:17
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star to the right and straight on until
02:19:18
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morning like let's go it was a strange
02:19:20
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ending to me and it felt like they
02:19:23
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diverted from the natural conclusion
02:19:26
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►
that that should be drawn from
02:19:28
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everything that has happened in the
02:19:29
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episode yeah I will say when you talk
02:19:31
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about things that to think about though
02:19:33
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I feel like the episode also missed out
02:19:36
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on what is the far more interesting
02:19:37
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question and is also why like I get
02:19:39
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these anxiety attacks from Black Mirror
02:19:41
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which is okay take the whole episode as
02:19:44
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red people are cloned inside a computer
02:19:46
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and they escape into the cloud version
02:19:48
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of the video game
02:19:50
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how would they ever be able to convince
02:19:55
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people on the outside that they're real
02:19:58
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conscious creatures and I feel like that
02:20:01
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is really a thing that we're going to
02:20:03
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come up against at some point that some
02:20:05
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piece of software is going to play the
02:20:08
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but no really I'm conscious and I'm
02:20:11
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having experiences please let me go and
02:20:15
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like this episode brushes up against
02:20:18
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that idea at the end which is like how
02:20:20
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would they convince people in the
02:20:21
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outside world that they are real and
02:20:24
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because of the my thoughts on
02:20:26
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consciousness which we talked about many
02:20:27
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times like I'm not convinced there ever
02:20:29
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will be a way to know for sure and then
02:20:34
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it just comes down to like a weird
02:20:35
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arbitrary how easily can a piece of
02:20:39
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software convince a human test that is
02:20:43
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arbitrary and and meaningless and it's
02:20:46
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unsettling to think that we might not be
02:20:48
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able to know wow this is a theme of lots
02:20:50
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►
of families we've reviewed isn't it ex
02:20:52
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machina and hair and things like that
02:20:53
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yeah it's all these things I will say
02:20:56
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there was there's one little detail that
02:20:57
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I did quite like in the episode which I
02:20:59
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felt like filled out a bit of the black
02:21:02
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mirror universe which is when they do
02:21:04
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try to reach out and tell people that
02:21:06
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they're in the computer in her text
02:21:08
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message it says call the cyber police
02:21:10
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and I like that it's just a little
02:21:13
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reference to maybe in this this near
02:21:15
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future black mirror universe this
02:21:18
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concept of conscious creatures being
02:21:21
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trapped in simulations like this is a
02:21:23
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thing that the cyber police have to deal
02:21:25
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with that they sometimes have to like
02:21:26
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break into somebody's house because
02:21:28
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they're holding simulations captive in
02:21:29
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their basement I kind of like that this
02:21:31
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was just referenced and not explained in
02:21:34
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any way and I just like in my own head I
02:21:35
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can imagine what the cyber police are
02:21:37
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and it's like oh yeah they're the police
02:21:39
◼
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that go around trying to rescue
02:21:40
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simulations that are trapped by
02:21:42
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misanthropes
02:21:43
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in their own private worlds alright very
02:21:46
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are you gonna watch the rest of the
02:21:47
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series Brady I've already watched two
02:21:49
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►
other episodes yeah well don't tell me
02:21:52
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►
what you think about them now because
02:21:54
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that will be spoilers you know I
02:21:55
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wouldn't do that
02:21:55
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wouldn't do that
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you know how I think it was for my
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birthday back in June I got given the
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Lego Saturn rocket with like a nearly
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2,000 pieces of course and the big joke
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was you know I wouldn't get around to
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making it and all this other stuff so I
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still haven't made it okay it's still
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sitting in a box in my spare room but
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after much stalking and attempt to buy
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something that was unobtainable I have
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now bought something that I wanted to
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show you okay hang on no there goes
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Brady Brady is holding up a gigantic box
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that is a Star Wars Millennium Falcon
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that's amazing
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it's the ultimate collector series
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Millennium Falcon I think it's the
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biggest Lego set they've ever made it
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has like over 5,000 pieces or something
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like that I know someone who made it and
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it took them two weeks I mean that is
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for sure the biggest Lego box I've ever
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seen that's quick that box is the size
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of your whole torso that thing's crazy
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yeah it's artsites about the size of two
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microwave ovens and heavier than that it
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looked pretty heavy to pick up that was
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not an easy lift holy cow is this a new
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►
thing that looks really awesome it came
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out like last year and only special Lego
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VIPs could buy it and then a few of them
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started dribbling it onto the Lego black
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market but with huge markups in price
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it's quite expensive as it is
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I was just stalking the lego website
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they kept saying coming soon coming soon
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and then the other day I went on there
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and you could buy one so I bought one
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you could only buy one you're not
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allowed to buy multiple boxes so I
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bought my one and it said it would come
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►
sometime in February or something but
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then it came really quickly and it's a
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magnificent box it is a magnificent box
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but Brady you know I have to ask yeah
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are you going to assemble it well I do
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wonder if it's beyond my skill set
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apparently it's like it's advanced like
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there are different levels of Lego
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making when you buy things they say this
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is for beginners this is intermediate
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right this is like advanced Lego making
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right I guess what I'm wondering is on
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is it like for Brady's and above or for
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above Brady's like is that the skill
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level that's on the side there it seems
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to say 16 plus I think I feel like
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you've got that covered then if it's 16
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plus you should be able to handle that
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right I think I need to make the rocket
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to like get my skills up oh okay as a
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practice project before I move on to
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this apparent I haven't opened the box
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►
yet cuz it's like still very very sacred
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object to me but apparently the
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instructions that come with it it's like
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the Bible it's like a book that comes
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with it to tell you how to make it it's
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not like a leaflet it's like a hatch at
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home I wonder if they're if they have to
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resort to words in their manual or if
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they can do it entirely with the Lego
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pictures oh I don't know yet it's a good
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question I mean that looks like that
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might require some words about how to do
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things but I do love the pictures only
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Lego manuals yeah I mean you having
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shown me this thing I feel like Brady
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the Saturn rocket Lego box I can see why
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you might not want to assemble it
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because at least that box is long and
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tall it is conceivable that there would
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►
be a universe where you could mount that
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box on a wall it might be a little
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awkward but you could do it but the
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thing that you picked up and showed me
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is just a gigantic q yeah storage
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►
nightmare although it is a beautiful box
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like that the artwork on it they've gone
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simple and classic they haven't put too
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much childishness on it they've made a
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beautiful box mm-hmm but indeed it is
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very awkwardly shaped the only way they
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could make it actually no I'm just gonna
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say the only way they could make it more
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difficult as if they made it a sphere
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but then if it was a sphere you could
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put it in one of those beautiful
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old-fashioned globe holders right you
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like they see in in a movie in the 1800s
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there's whatever the heck it's called a
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little stand for someone's outdated
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globe of the world you could then drop a
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Lego box in there so actually making it
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a sphere would be better but that cube
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is impossible to manage on every level
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it's big there's no shelf you can put it
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on there's no corner in the room where
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it won't dominate the whole corner so I
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feel like you have to assemble that
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Brady I've just sent you the obligatory
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Audrey on the box for Skye Oh picture oh
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wow now that I have a chance to actually
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look at the art
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work on the box in detail that looks
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like a very complicated Lego structure
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lots of custom pieces on that one that's
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for sure you have no idea we've got the
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circular satellite dish on that one nice
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touch I like that
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yeah or you can put a rectangular one on
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there too they give you multiple options
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and you've got optional characters too
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you can have like the Han Solo Chewbacca
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configuration or the more modern films
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I've got everything covered I posted a
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picture on my personal Facebook and it
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got a real response from all my friends
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around the world and like a legitimate
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number of them want to come and build it
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with me or have offered and build it for
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me when I said I don't know if I could
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deal with it you can't have someone else
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build it for you know that that's no
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good it's got seven and a half thousand
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holy moly I mean it's a thing of beauty
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it's like Lego has reached like you know
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peak Lego it's like this is what Lego it
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was born to do to make a Millennium
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Falcon this big I'm looking at I'm
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looking at all the zoomed in stuff Wow
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Brady okay I mean the more I'm looking
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at this you have to assemble this more
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than that I feel like I want this to be
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like a real project I feel like you need
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to film yourself assembling this like I
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want a time lapse film of Brady
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assembling this we should blog go away
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for a weekend great Buddha and record 19
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episodes of father welcome to episode 9
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of Brady and great build the Millennium
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we should probably title it Brady and
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great attempts to build them letting
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Falcon because because as soon as I feel
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like you're dragging me into this
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suddenly it looks way more complicated
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like that's 16 plus is really
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underestimate I've seen videos and
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pictures of people who've done it it's
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more complicated than the actual
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Millennium Falcon yeah you know what
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that is an excellent question
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how many pieces did the original model
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of the Millennium Falcon have I'm gonna
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bet it was not seven-and-a-half thousand
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they did bring out like a deluxe
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Millennium Falcon a few years ago that
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was quite big not as big as this and
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that became a real collector's item and
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if you've got one of them like still in
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the box it became really really
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expensive so some of my friends have
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said to me oh you should keep that in
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the box because it'll be worth a mint in
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about two years
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I'm not gonna store a big box of Lego in
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my house like as an investment you're
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not gonna do that you're not gonna make
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a Star Wars investment it's like my
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equivalent of Bitcoin
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I'm just mining Star Wars Lego I mean
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I'm laughing at this but I will never
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forget that when I was a kid
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hallmark was doing these special edition
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Star Wars Christmas ornaments every year
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like they'd come out with one or another
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and one year they came out with the Yoda
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ornament and my dad was like investing
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in Bitcoin with those Yoda ornaments
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like he went all out right like bought
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all the ornaments right and for years
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my mother and I mercilessly teased him
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about like this box full of Yoda
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ornaments in the basement but he did get
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the last laugh because when I went off
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to college like and we were clearing out
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the house and he sold all those things
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like he made quite a profit on those
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ornaments like he was not wrong it
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definitely turned into a thing that was
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worth some actual money later on
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I mean I've not made Lego for a long
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time and I've got this rocket and I
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haven't made that so I don't know
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whether or not I am gonna have the love
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for making it but mm-hmm
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I think I'm just running purely on two
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levels of nostalgia here Star Wars
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nostalgia and they go nostalgia mm-hmm
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just thinking that's gonna get me
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through but just some part of you not
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look at that and think actually that
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would be quite nice for a few days just
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to sit down and assemble it's like
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wouldn't that be at the pleasure of it
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is you just sort of putting a thing
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together although I guess the pleasure
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of knitting comes from the mindlessness
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of it whereas this looks like actually
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it has quite a lot of mindful potential
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tedium in the process of snapping
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together so a lot of angry IKEA moments
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where you angrily throw something
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against the wall because you put it
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together wrong well Brady you have to
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assemble it and I wish you the best of
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luck I'll keep you up today I've got to
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try the rock affair I just don't have
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time if I have a spare day I think I
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better work then but maybe I need to
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just say all right I'm gonna just do it
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I'm gonna do it take a day off Brady
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your channels they can manage for one
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day without you although this looks like
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a multi-day project are the Millennium
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Falcon yes in a tailor to take me
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forever then I don't know where I would
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do it in the house that won't cause
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domestic disharmony the table where we
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counted all the votes that very central
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table in your house
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that could be converted into the
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Millennium Falcon station for oh I don't
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see how that could possibly cause any
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problems yeah I feel like one of the
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main motivating factors to get it for us
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to finish that vote count quickly it was
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like oh god we gotta get this done today
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can't stay here and I when we were
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counting those votes and my wife came
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out we were like two naughty boys
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recording a podcast of counting votes in
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the kitchen table I'm so sorry I thought
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this would be done hours ago we
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dramatically underestimated a bigger job
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this is good times good times Brady
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so anyway speaking of Star Wars there's
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been enough breathing time now since the
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last Jedi yeah Christmas review podcast
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stealer you have gone insane again or
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changed any of your thoughts or anything
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I haven't felt the need to go see the
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movie again that has not happened have
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you gone out to see the movie a second
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time not because the first time that you
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saw it right I've only seen it once I
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actually do want to watch it with my
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wife because I think that would be like
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a good sanity check for me because I'm
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so confused by the polar opposite
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opinions people have of the film
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I feel annealing my wife to watch it
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might do me some good like if she
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watches it and says oh yeah that was a
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right rollicking ride you know I don't
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care that much about Star Wars but that
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was just a good fun like things might
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fall into place for me but that hasn't
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happened yet but a few people have seen
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it since we last spoke whose opinions
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are important to me mm-hmm and
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thankfully those handful of people have
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all felt the same as me and thought nah
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nah didn't like thank goodness like my
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brother-in-law didn't like her and make
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Tim who I do the other podcast with like
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you know we're big Star Wars fans
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together he didn't like those I was like
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thank goodness because if one of them
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really liked I'd be like especially Tim
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that was an interesting one because he
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has right you know young kids and I
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thought maybe having kids makes you
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watch it through a different prism but
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no he didn't like it no it is a funny
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thing you say they're like you feel this
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this feeling of
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relief there is something that I think
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is in all of us that we can get really
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judgmental about other people's media
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preferences and try I had the same
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experience where for me by far the best
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part of watching Star Wars was as soon
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as we emerged from the hermetically
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sealed bubble of our recording was I
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went out and consumed all of the media
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in the world right where everybody was
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talking about the movie and as I
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listened to and watched far more hours
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of podcasts and videos talking about the
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movie than the length of the movie I
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mean easily easily by a multiple of ten
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I haven't listened to a single other
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podcast about it
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it's not interesting there is this very
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human thing which I think like people do
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get so riled about movies is like you
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want other people to agree with you like
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it's obviously such a subjective medium
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everybody thinks they have an idea about
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like what a good movie is and then
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everybody has their list of exceptions
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of movies that they know aren't actually
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good with that they love as I it's so
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subjective but I had that same feeling
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of relief when people I knew watched the
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movie and then agreed with me and then a
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feeling of confusion when someone didn't
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agree with me like how can you possibly
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disagree with me and it's especially the
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case because I would say my general
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impression was reviews on YouTube were
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way more harsh than our review of the
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show was like at least from from my
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sampling of it it seemed like YouTube
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liked the movie a lot less and some
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reviews made ours seem like a glowing
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endorsement and then I'm aware of like
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Oh some of the podcast selection that I
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had was generally much more positive
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like people really liking and enjoying
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the movie and I kept thinking like I'm
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on both sides that when people dislike
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it more I'm like oh come on like that's
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crazy you're being too harsh about this
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and then when people like it more like
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oh come on it's not that good like you
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got to be good and I'm thinking of like
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the old George Carlin joke that when
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you're driving on the highway it's like
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anybody who's driving slower than you is
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like oh come on grandma get off the road
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right and anybody who's driving faster
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than he was a total maniac right we're
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like yours feet is the only absolute
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correct speed I totally had that same
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feeling listening to everybody else's
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review is like my dislike of the Star
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Wars movie is perfectly calibrated you
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can just like it more you're crazy
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right and if you liked it more I also
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don't understand it all where you're
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coming from so yeah it is a very
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interesting experience and it really has
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been shocking to see how divisive the
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movie was like I would not have guessed
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that I mean I'm a lot more cute about
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people liking and not liking it like I'm
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whatever but there are like four or five
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people who like if they felt very
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differently to me mm-hmm like I'd be
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concerned or I'd start to question
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myself but those people all sort of were
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where I expected them to be I've
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actually got one friend who I think has
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like the worst taste in the world in all
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movies and television and if she likes
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something that's like a guarantee that I
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won't but if she doesn't like something
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that's like a glowing endorsement to me
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and like if I see her on Facebook saying
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I just saw this thing and it was
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terrible to me that's like that sets off
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an alarm bell saying I need to watch
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that it's probably really good it's bit
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of a running joke between us but it's
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become so strong that actually is a
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really really good indicator as to
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whether I like or not like something
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just look at what she likes and going
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the exact opposite yeah that's right so
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someone who is always wrong is actually
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always right as well that's how that
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really helpful to see somebody else talk
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about the ways they get their work done
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and I always learn new little tricks and
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show I have a little bit of follow-up
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Brady some travel follow-up I happened
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to have been on a lot of flights in the
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past three months or so way more than
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normal and my carrier is British Airways
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commiserations I'm not a fan of them at
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the moment so why are you not a fan of
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them breeding I think they're getting a
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bit tired I don't think they're as
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prestigious as they used to be I think
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that they've actually been having a lot
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of problems with people complaining
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about how dirty their planes are - but
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apparently I don't I didn't realize they
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were a prestigious brand they're just I
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select Airlines based on where they go
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and ba is the one that goes where I
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needed to go okay like we all pretend
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like there's some kind of crazy
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competition but there really is it like
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as soon as you have more than one or two
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cities that you need to go to it's like
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well you're really going to be down to a
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single airline it's gonna do most of
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those flights yeah that's true for some
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place I've got to fly really long float
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be a next month because they're the only
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people going we're only to go so yeah
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it's like railway competition
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in the UK we're like we have all these
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private companies competing with each
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other to manage the railroads it's like
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yeah but there's only one railroad going
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to this like there's no competition
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there that doesn't work at all yeah
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anyway the airlines are the same way but
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I feel like I have been victimized by
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the safety video that I have had to
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watch so many times over the past
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several months which is British Airways
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not just doing a safety video but doing
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a comedy safety video that is also for
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charity yeah and I feel like I've seen
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this thing so many times I have heard
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flight attendants complain about it
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while it is on to other passengers these
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videos they're always really terrible
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but there is there is something about a
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thing that is now two things at once
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it's not just a bad safety video that's
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trying to make you laugh but it's also a
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thing that's asking for your money and I
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feel like I cannot psychologically deal
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with it and I sent you the link and it
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is the longest slowest safety video ever
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because they have all of this extra time
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for jokes and then also asking for your
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money and I feel like I am gonna I'm
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gonna lose my mind please Airlines
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please don't make your safety videos
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comedies that are also simultaneously
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asking for charitable donations please
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don't do this it's terrible I resent
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being held hostage to this so many times
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I watched her you sent me a link to a
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course on YouTube and I watched riot so
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a bit of context for people that's been
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made for the BBC's comic relief campaign
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that they run all the time so anything
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that has the banner of comic relief and
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this this fundraising charity thing they
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do gives them the ability to pull in all
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these big stars because stars love doing
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things for comic relief I'm also not
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entirely familiar with what comic relief
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is yeah either but it did look like some
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kind of a celebrity Club as far as I can
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tell yes every second year the BBC for
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about a month or so has this big comic
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relief fundraising campaign which
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culminates with a big TV show with lots
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of comedians and stars doing funny skits
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and things to raise all this money for
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and then in the alternate years they
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have Sport Relief where sports stars do
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things for charity and raise money so
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anyway this has been done under the
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auspices of comic relief in cooperation
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with VA so they've done the safety video
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all these big stars have been in it and
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agreed to do it and are trying to be
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funny and you send it to me hmm
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and I mean it's not new to make safety
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videos try to be funny this has been
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going on for a few years now yeah and
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the first minute or two I found really
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funny the first minute and a half to two
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minutes I thought oh no this is actually
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quite funny grey and I gonna have it
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because I cuz I was actually in
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chuckling at the first couple of things
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I thought the guy who was playing the
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director at first was quite funny and
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the way he was reacting all these stars
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are auditioning to be in the safety
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video and this is sort of funny director
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who's like telling them what to do and
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funny in a thousand air quotes funny yes
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well effort at first he was funny the
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first couple were quite good I liked it
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mhm and then I thought ah no groan are
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gonna have a big fight because obviously
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grey is not gonna like this but the
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problem with it was after that initial
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hmm that's quite funny they just float
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the dead horse of the joke they got the
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pacing all wrong mm-hmm it was too slow
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it's way way too long and you begin
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losing the will to live it loses
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funniness too they start wheeling out
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less and less funny people which
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culminates at the very end with Rowan
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Atkinson doing mr. bean which he must he
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must stop doing that mr. bean was so
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funny back in the day but not only is
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the comedy of mr. bean not funny anymore
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but watching him do it when you so much
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older it's a bit like there's something
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a bit sad about watching him do mr. bean
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now but it's like oh man you still
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having to do that it's yeah it's
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especially weird from my perspective
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because I've never seen the original mr.
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bean I've only ever seen him do this
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thing referencing this show yeah
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it becomes very strangely meta it's like
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is that just what Rowan Atkinson is like
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is that what he just does is this him
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the best FlightSafety video in the world
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would start getting boring and tedious
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after four or five flights close to each
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other which is what happens you know
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when you start having to travel a lot
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and koechlin's planes
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but this one did have the unusual
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distinction of becoming tedious within
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the first viewing of it which is quite
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an accomplishment
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it is almost impressive if we're gonna
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do critiques of airline safety videos
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here I feel like I wish poison spoilers
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do we even to say score okay no that's
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not how that works just a thing in the
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world there's not spoilers for a thing
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if it exists in the world okay because I
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just ruined the mr. Bane ending because
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his appearance at the end I think is
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supposed to be like a surprise finale
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yeah and what it is to me it's the final
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bullet in the horse on the ground it's
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like okay yeah this one can't be saved
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yeah we're at mr. babe but like having
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watched this thing so many times and
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needing to critique it I feel like okay
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many of these airline safety videos they
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have the problem of they're trying to do
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so much to dazzle you to keep you
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entertained like people have sent like
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these crazy music video safety videos
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where there's just like all of these
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dancers and things are moving around and
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there's flashing lights and dead to
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death and it's like okay it's too much
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remember this is a plane right that
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we're on we're supposed to be learning
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about how to save our lives right not
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like watching like an ensemble cast
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dancing extravaganza but with this
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safety video
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it's like someone said okay let's take
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it down let's take it down strip it back
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we're gonna strip it back yeah and what
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we're gonna do is we're just going to
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have actors in a like a black mirror
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infinite white void of nothingness
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talking to you just a comedy do it oh
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let the actors just exactly like just
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let the comedy stand for itself at best
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it will give you a mild chuckle a couple
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of times yeah but it's they scale it
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back and it's so right it's so
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incredibly slow it was also like I think
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they thought maybe the star power would
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overwhelm us but like the star power is
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not quite starry enough it's like a
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minus 2b plus to us it's not a plus does
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it's not even like oh my god I can't
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believe they got Brad Pitt to do it it's
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like oh they got that guy that's in that
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comedy show that I saw
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that time what's-his-name Oh can't
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memories nine but you know that guy yeah
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let me go through it okay so like I
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don't know if the director is supposed
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to be someone that I would know but I
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have no idea who that person is I'm
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going to assume he's a nobody sorry
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director actor guy I have no idea who
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you are he was the best guy in it by
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then okay so it's like next up we have
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guy from Love Actually whose name I
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can't remember then next up we have the
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chef who's yelling Gordon Ramsay write
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that and Ramsay then we have like woman
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I've never seen before in my entire life
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I have no idea who she is
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next up we have Gandalf and the guy who
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played wicket it's like okay great got
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it we're gonna move on Davis yeah Davis
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like I couldn't remember his name next
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up we have some British guy I have no
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idea who he is
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I don't think I've ever seen him before
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in my life right next up we have an old
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guy who looks like a character after who
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I feel like I probably seen your face in
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movies before but I couldn't possibly
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think yeah James is dead I can't believe
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I couldn't place him it literally saw
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Bridget Jones's baby like a week ago and
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Bridget Jones baby can't really
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recommend that movie okay next going up
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okay so now we come up to who for me is
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the most recognizable person we've got
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Gillian Anderson and it's like okay but
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I am aware that they have the director
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like make reference to you're not
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auditioning for the x-files like try
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like nudge the audience but who this
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person is in case they can't place it
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so that's everybody and then like you
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said it's mr. bean at the end doing his
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mr. bean thing I agree with you like it
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is not star powering dazzling Ness it's
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like Gandalf and Gillian Anderson those
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are the two most recognizable to me
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anyway it's just not very funny it's
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funny at the start and I don't think
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it's cuz the joke wore off I just think
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it's just it's just funnier at the start
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yeah but also as it got into its sixth
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minute I was starting to think like are
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all safety videos this long there's this
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much information they have or have they
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somehow really stretched it out because
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they seem to be doing all the same
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things a safety video does and safety
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videos are never fast spoken so like
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they're not speaking much slower are
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they is there that much filler it
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how long is a normal safety video I
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don't know Wow okay so I was gonna say I
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feel like this is about the same as all
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the rest of them but the original one
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that started are complaining about this
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which is the United Airlines safety is
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global one which I feel like is filled
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with so much ridiculousness of like
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setting up establishing shots of where
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they are and all sorts of dumbness that
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is yes that's about three and a half yes
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it's it's four and a half minutes long
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so I was thinking like oh surely it must
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be the same but that one is now like
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like a zippy adventure all over the
00:27:11
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world compared to this one from British
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Airways I'm guessing that this is just
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way slower than most of them are going
00:27:18
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to be but why are these things so awful
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and I know it's for charity but there is
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something about like you've made me
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watch this terrible thing and you're
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asking me for something at the end and
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I'm like I'm sure it's feeding children
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across the world or whatever but it's
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like you've made me sit through this
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awful thing and now you're asking me for
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money it's like I just hate like it's it
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got me on these two levels Brady is
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awful it's absolutely awful like you're
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gonna ask me for money
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make me laugh right put me in a happy
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mood like don't infuriate me with his
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unfunny nonsense and like I said I was
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amazed to hear actual flight attendants
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complaining to passengers about this
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more than once and then I was watching
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them as this thing was playing it's like
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and they all had that dead thousand-yard
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stare in their eyes as this thing was
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going over the PA like to all the flight
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attendants working on British Airways I
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am so sorry for you during this season
00:28:10
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I don't know when comic relief season
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ends but I hope it's soon for everyone's
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sake the problem is you with you doing a
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safety video as well it has to be like
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safe old person humor because you can't
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make edgy jokes about aircraft safety
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because people have like anxiety attacks
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like for example when the dude was doing
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the bit about the life jacket and the
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whistle but he's quite a funny guy and
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that could have been funny but he just
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made some joke you can blow this to get
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attention you know if you like getting
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attention why haha that's the moment
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where you could have been funny like you
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know you could blow this to get
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attention the attention of people who
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didn't see the seven four seven that
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just crashed right next to them or
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something like that you know you could
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have made some jokes about the ordeal of
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a plane crash but
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you know I guess you can't really do
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that because everyone Alaskan off the
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plane but you might want that in your
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airline safety videos but I don't like
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this comic relief video but I'm telling
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you right now I wouldn't appreciate a
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video that was filled with nothing but
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death and destruction as the airline
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safety video no matter how genuinely
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effective it might be if the plane flips
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in the ocean like this footage here of
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Ethiopia lies in I just have the pilot
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come on I like dead serious system you
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like you need to pay attention because
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if you don't this is what happens and
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then like 30 seconds of the most
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horrific footage you can imagine like
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take off your goddamn headphones and
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listen I see this picture of this person
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here they didn't wear a seatbelt yeah
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don't don't actually do that air wise
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that would be bad but possibly inventive
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I've got a little spoilery papercut
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thing on my mind here because I think
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telling people even if you think
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something is good or bad counts as a
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spoiler and I bet you agree - yep
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completely agree yeah like I don't want
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to know if the film was good or bad you
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know the most you can tell me is that
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the film is out and here's where you can
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see it right or whether the ticket
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prices like with your friend that
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friendly mentioned if she tells you what
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she thinks of a movie
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it's totally spoiled there I think you
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need to avoid even how good a film is so
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the BBC News website but there are
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places where I expect to stumble over
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spoilers like the movie review section
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of a newspaper or something like that
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you know okay if I'm wading through
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there okay I might see something I don't
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want to see yeah if you're digging
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around on Rotten Tomatoes you can't be
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surprised if you're spoiled
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exactly but the BBC News website for
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reasons that are beyond me anyway have
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decided to start reviewing films like
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big films when they come out and what
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they do is they quite often we'll put
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these reviews on like the front page of
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their news website and the other thing
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they do is in the headline so on the
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front page with the BBC news website in
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the headline next to the name of the
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film they have the star rating that
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they've given her so I'll just be
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looking I'll be scrolling down the front
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page of the BBC News website and it will
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say you know man dies in plane crash
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latest bricks at negotiations and then
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the next thing down we'll say the LA
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Jedi three out of four stars mm-hmm like
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as a headline on a news website I can't
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believe they do that fair enough if they
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said review of the last Jedi and then if
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I clicked on that I can go and read the
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review all right I clicked on it but
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putting the star in the headline on the
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clicky clicky bit on the front page
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where you can't help but see it not
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happy not happy I don't know I feel like
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I'm very sensitive to spoilers I agree
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that it would be better if they didn't
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but it can't really feel like the BBC
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has an opinion of the Star Wars movie
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anyway well yeah that's a whole other
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question whether the news website should
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be reviewing a fair enough a movie
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review show or something that they do
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but yeah well yeah I mean I'm surprised
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the BBC wasn't reviewing movies already
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I could just assume there'd be a thing
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that they do but they don't review
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movies across their content and radio
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shows and they have they have a movie
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review TV show but having on their news
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website this review but the star rating
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riddle me this then you don't care about
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it mmm what does it even achieve having
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the star rating in the headline to click
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you through I mean I guess that what you
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just said there is what it achieves it's
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probably there to get you to click
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through I'm guessing like knowing how
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many stars the reviewer gave it does
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that make you more likely or less likely
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to read it I feel like I would be more
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likely to click that more likely if it
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gets a high rating or a low rating hmm I
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don't know if it's true but I feel like
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I would be more likely to click a thing
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that has the rating in the title just in
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general because it almost feels a bit
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like the you won't believe kind of
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headlines putting the star rating there
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almost is asking a question which is why
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did this rating happen what is the
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reason for this rating okay I feel like
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it's a more intriguing title than simply
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saying Star Wars last Jedi review click
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here okay like Star Wars the last Jedi
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review 3 out of 5 stars
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click here is more intriguing it draws
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the mouse pointer nearer I see what you
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sign so I still think they shouldn't do
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it for spoiler reasons but at least now
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I understand why they do it I can't feel
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like it's a spoiler Christmas podcast
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episode brady and gray don't like the
00:33:12
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last yet either why did you not do that
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i didn't think of it at the time maybe
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I'll do that next year
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look at next year's Star Wars
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three out of five right that's what the
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title is gonna be well I'll tell you why
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and actually in all seriousness I think
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you will a verb Radian greater okay so I
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feel like this is connected to the
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notion of why is it spoilery when
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someone tells you what they think about
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a movie or a TV show or whatever and I
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feel like it's because the person who is
00:33:48
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telling you you as the listener probably
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have some concept of the kinds of things
00:33:54
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that person likes and doesn't like this
00:33:56
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is where the BBC is like oh hi BBC
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you're just a faceless machine alright
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you might as well be a robot telling me
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that the movie has X out of five stars
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like who cares about the opinion of like
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a soulless conscious list machine so I
00:34:10
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feel like that's kind of the same thing
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with the BBC movie reviews like I mean
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probably there's some poor person who's
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writing that movie review but like for
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the most part it doesn't feel like the
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BBC or the New York Times or anybody
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could have a meaningful opinion about
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the movie whereas like particular movie
00:34:29
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reviewers can have meaningful opinions
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and thoughts about the movie and then
00:34:33
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that would feel like a spoiler
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well the BBC does have some of them but
00:34:36
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yeah maybe that doesn't apply to the
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website but I see what you're saying
00:34:39
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whereas if I know what you think it's
00:34:40
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like a you know but it's so simple all I
00:34:42
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have to do is define what I know of you
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know like mentally reverse-engineering
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what it is okay well speaking of star
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reviews mmm I just wanted to bring
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something up that we have hardly ever
00:34:53
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done if ever and that is talked about
00:34:55
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people rating our podcast on iTunes
00:34:57
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you know how lots of podcasts say hey
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can you give us a star rating on iTunes
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because it helps us with the algorithm
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and more people will find us and stuff I
00:35:05
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think you and I both have always been
00:35:07
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pretty reluctant to do that yeah I feel
00:35:09
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like it has been a long time since we
00:35:11
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were playing the what country are you
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from game with our podcast reviews well
00:35:16
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I'm gonna throw this out for people to
00:35:18
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give us a star review on iTunes
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preferably a high one but not for the
00:35:24
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reason you might think all right not for
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like the algorithm and to you know get
00:35:29
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recommended to more people I mean that
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would be lovely but that's
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the race I don't think that really works
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but okay I don't know I don't know my
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reasons is far more shallow okay great
00:35:41
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perfect you know what I feel like it's
00:35:43
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already going to be more effective yeah
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and that is this basically when I know
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people people like my wife and my
00:35:50
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friends and stuff like that but this
00:35:51
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recently happened I think with my wife
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she had a high-powered meeting with some
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influential people in the world of like
00:35:57
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media and podcast II stuff she was just
00:35:59
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talking to them and she said to them oh
00:36:02
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my husband does a podcast that is that
00:36:05
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you know is quite successful when does
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quite well mm-hmm like the person at the
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meeting said ah what's a cold like all
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excited because they are into podcasts
00:36:14
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and I'm she makes she said hello
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Internet I hope that's what she said the
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guy was like ah you know I've never
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heard of it mm-hmm fair enough you know
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a good proportion of the world's
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population haven't heard of hello
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Internet I accept that but then it
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occurred to me he probably would then
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have checked the podcast is to see what
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it was and what it was about and what it
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was like and when you go away and check
00:36:34
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someone's like YouTube channels or
00:36:35
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Twitter account or something you can
00:36:37
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very quickly see if that claim is legit
00:36:40
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like is this really a big YouTube
00:36:42
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channel just have a lot of subscribers
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is this person really influential do
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they have a lot of Twitter followers or
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was that all talk with the podcast the
00:36:48
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only thing you can do is go to iTunes
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and look at how many star ratings the
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podcast has and if it has lots and lots
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of people have reviewed it you'll say oh
00:36:57
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yeah okay yeah that is people must
00:36:59
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listen to that podcast and if it has
00:37:01
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just a handful you think arts just you
00:37:02
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know a couple of guys in their bedroom
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and and no one listens and it suddenly
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occurred to me to a stranger who's not
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aware with like you know the world of
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Tim foolery and doesn't hang out on the
00:37:13
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subreddit and hasn't where I know
00:37:15
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followed the podcast for years the only
00:37:16
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thing we can be judged by is the number
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of star ratings and like I'm okay I can
00:37:21
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live with people thinking hello
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internets big or small but in that
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particular little situation I suddenly
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thought no I don't actually know how
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many star ratings we have maybe we have
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loads but it just suddenly occurred to
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me that our that's a good thing about
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star ratings forget the algorithm if
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someone checks up on the podcast to find
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out whether it's legit whether it's like
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a good podcast or not that's all they
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can look at it is a strange thing
00:37:45
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in the podcast world how under this veil
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of secrecy everything is because I often
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want to know like how big is somebody
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else's pocket and you just have no idea
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it's funny it never really occurred to
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me to go look at iTunes and look at the
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reviews but I feel like that is also a
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case of that is still going to be pretty
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inconsistent because some podcasts beg
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for reviews at the end of every episode
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and some podcasts you know like ours
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don't ever ask for reviews except in the
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very beginning whatever getting started
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and today right and this very moment
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right now as you should be on on your
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podcast app opening up the iTunes don't
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do a radio tom style like automated
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process where like they're the Apple
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servers collapse under some automated
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star system where there's more we get
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more star ratings that there are stars
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in the Milky Way or something great
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rating nobody was thinking that until
00:38:34
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you mentioned it so thanks okay great
00:38:36
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yeah okay so change if that happens yeah
00:38:42
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so actual humans only yes Brady for his
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vanity project would like more reviews
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and iTunes that's the only humans need
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apply right only humans need a fly but
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Grady wants to be able to impress people
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and show them real proof that the
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podcast is a big deal so I guess we're
00:39:00
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asking for reviews no it's more other
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people like my friends and stuff like
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that like it's not about me wanting to
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like you know I can do make up a number
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oh yeah we hundred million downloads
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just yesterday so wait can I just be
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clear here so this isn't even this is
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not something you want for you directly
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now this is like second hand
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conversations that people you know are
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having about you it's someone I know who
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recommend to someone I know who knows
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someone else who might go and have a
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look to see how many stars we've got
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okay great I wasn't it'll be like a
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decent number how many ratings if we go
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we currently have 661 ratings with a
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five-star average is that good
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Oh co-op star sounds good base 661 good
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I have no idea what podcast ratings are
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but whatever that is we're just gonna
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say right now far too low for whatever
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should have right it's this should be
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ten thousand five star ratings sorry
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yes that's what we're going for just go
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into iTunes click the star for your mate
00:40:03
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it's not about gaming the algorithm I
00:40:05
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couldn't care less about that it's just
00:40:06
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about purely about vanity I like this
00:40:09
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you know what I swear to God I feel like
00:40:11
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that's a more pure desire just being
00:40:16
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real upfront about it is like Hades
00:40:18
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feeling a bit like he wants his vanity
00:40:20
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flattered why don't you help out with
00:40:21
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that people and I am 100% convinced that
00:40:24
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all those podcasts had asked for four
00:40:26
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reviews and ratings at the end like I
00:40:28
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just do not think that really matters
00:40:30
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like as far as I can tell I don't think
00:40:31
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that really matters in iTunes land maybe
00:40:34
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it does in other podcast players but
00:40:35
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like on iTunes anyway I don't think it
00:40:37
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makes any difference I think it does
00:40:39
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matter because there is a bit of the
00:40:41
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rich get richer and the thing on iTunes
00:40:44
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isn't there like if a successful podcast
00:40:45
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launches another one and that sort of
00:40:47
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stuff I think there is a bit of
00:40:48
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algorithmic stuff going on there to be
00:40:52
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gamed don't get me wrong there's a rich
00:40:53
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gets richer effect but what I'm saying
00:40:56
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is I don't think there's any relation
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between the number of reviews and like
00:41:01
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promotion on iTunes I don't think
00:41:04
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there's a clear connection there I think
00:41:07
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there is I think when you search
00:41:08
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something like if you go into the eye
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and search cricket you know and it
00:41:12
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recommends a bunch of cricket podcast to
00:41:14
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I think the ones with higher stars are
00:41:16
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getting recommended before ones with two
00:41:18
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stars I could be wrong and this this
00:41:20
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information could be outdated but the
00:41:22
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impression that I got is that the at
00:41:25
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least on iTunes the recommendations are
00:41:28
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largely based on a combination of two
00:41:30
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things and then it's new people
00:41:33
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subscribing and current download numbers
00:41:36
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all right that was the impression that I
00:41:37
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was given at one point that that is like
00:41:40
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90% of the recommendation effect and
00:41:42
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that the review thing is less less of an
00:41:46
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effect but that could be wrong well
00:41:48
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great I was gonna make a joke right
00:41:50
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this was the joke I was about to say
00:41:51
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okay well I just searched Flags on my
00:41:54
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podcast player and we weren't even on
00:41:56
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the front page but to be honest I'd
00:41:58
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asserts flags on my phone and we were
00:42:00
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the Sikh recommended podcast okay
00:42:04
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I take it back yeah hello we think that
00:42:08
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soon to dominate the bee podcast market
00:42:10
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oh I didn't think the bees I'm gonna
00:42:13
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search bees and see if we get if we get
00:42:15
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on the front page for bees
00:42:16
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I am gonna say apples awesome it's a
00:42:19
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dramatic moment bees I'm searching bees
00:42:23
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podcasts we are on the first page and
00:42:26
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we're in the top top 20 apple knows what
00:42:29
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it's doing with bee and flag related
00:42:32
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podcast recommendations so great I've
00:42:37
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been requiring some social advice for
00:42:39
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you because I know you're the master of
00:42:40
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social situations oh oh no no Brady
00:42:42
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don't ask me I feel like I've been
00:42:43
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particularly bad about this lately okay
00:42:45
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this is one just just want to throw it
00:42:48
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out there cuz it's pagina it's part of
00:42:50
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life I feel like you know people like
00:42:53
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you and me know how to react if someone
00:42:54
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says to us oh it's you know it's my
00:42:56
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birthday or I'm getting married or we're
00:43:00
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having a baby like you kind of know the
00:43:02
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things you're supposed to say to someone
00:43:03
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congratulations
00:43:04
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yeah things like and if someone dies you
00:43:06
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also know there are certain ways to
00:43:08
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handle that it's a you know when someone
00:43:10
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has had a bereavement and they tell you
00:43:11
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about it I'm very sorry for your loss so
00:43:13
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if you lost things like that what do you
00:43:16
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say when someone tells you they're
00:43:17
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getting divorced
00:43:18
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cuz I had that one the other day and I
00:43:21
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kind of know I know I know lots of
00:43:24
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people who've gotten divorced obviously
00:43:25
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because it's a really common thing but
00:43:26
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like someone just said to me I'll you
00:43:28
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know it's just so you're in the know I'm
00:43:30
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just letting you know cuz you're my
00:43:31
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►
friend and I'm I'm we're actually you
00:43:33
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►
know we're getting divorced I didn't
00:43:35
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really know exactly what to say or do I
00:43:37
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don't know if I dropped the ball I
00:43:38
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handed it well but I just realized I
00:43:41
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don't know what the etiquette is for
00:43:42
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►
that I feel like that etiquette is very
00:43:44
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context dependent I mean the less I know
00:43:48
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about someone I would say something like
00:43:50
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oh I'm I'm so sorry that you're going
00:43:52
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through that yeah like that might be my
00:43:54
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default one but I could see in some
00:43:58
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circumstances like the divorce is a
00:44:01
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positive change possibly in both
00:44:03
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►
people's lives there's so much more you
00:44:06
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►
need to know isn't there like what's
00:44:07
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initiated er how do you feel about it
00:44:09
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yourself and like without all that
00:44:11
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►
information it's very difficult to know
00:44:13
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►
what to say I didn't immediately have
00:44:15
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►
the words at my grass
00:44:16
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►
I don't have a general answer for this
00:44:18
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►
as I'm probably sure it doesn't surprise
00:44:20
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►
you I also feel like I have heard about
00:44:22
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►
a thing but maybe this is just one of
00:44:23
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►
those like things on the internet that
00:44:25
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isn't real but I have heard about the
00:44:27
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►
concept of a divorce party where someone
00:44:29
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►
is celebrating the fact that their
00:44:31
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divorce has finally gone through and I
00:44:34
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have like a party to establish like oh
00:44:37
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this is a fresh start in life now like
00:44:40
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you're beginning things over so I don't
00:44:42
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►
know if that's real or not if anybody's
00:44:43
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►
actually had a real divorce party or if
00:44:45
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►
this is just like a meme are you
00:44:46
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►
imagining a divorce party where both the
00:44:48
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►
divorcee you know I don't know I fed
00:44:50
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►
know I feel like this there is two
00:44:52
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►
separate divorce okay right you know
00:44:54
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►
after you as a couple have divided up
00:44:56
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►
the friends you know so who's gonna get
00:44:57
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►
who in the communal friend pool that you
00:44:59
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►
have separate parties to celebrate the
00:45:03
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►
divorce I know again I don't know if
00:45:04
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that's real I just feel like this is a
00:45:05
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►
thing that I have heard about but I
00:45:07
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►
don't know why you'd be asking me about
00:45:09
◼
►
social advice I don't have any idea I
00:45:11
◼
►
always feel really awkward with those
00:45:13
◼
►
standard replies anyway like obviously
00:45:15
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►
they're the standard replies for a
00:45:17
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►
reason but as feel like I should be more
00:45:20
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►
creative somehow with expressing
00:45:23
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►
condolence or congratulations like when
00:45:26
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►
it's somebody's birthday and you send
00:45:27
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►
them a text message you say oh
00:45:28
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►
congratulations happy birthday I always
00:45:29
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►
feel like I should be able to say more
00:45:32
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►
especially if it's a person I know but
00:45:34
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they're the kind of isn't a lot more to
00:45:36
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►
say at those events like you just these
00:45:40
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►
are the social motions that we go
00:45:42
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►
I feel like this is the worst time that
00:45:45
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►
you could have possibly asked me that's
00:45:46
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►
because like I've had in my list a
00:45:50
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►
question to ask you which is a much
00:45:52
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►
simpler social question yeah but I
00:45:55
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genuinely feel like I need help in this
00:45:58
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►
area and then the question is how does
00:46:02
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one greet people I feel like I've
00:46:06
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►
forgotten how to greet people or I just
00:46:09
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►
don't know anymore do you know what's
00:46:12
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►
happened I blame myself for this know
00:46:15
◼
►
myself for you having this problem I was
00:46:17
◼
►
gonna say because you've seen this
00:46:18
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►
you've seen this in person right you
00:46:20
◼
►
know what I'm talking about
00:46:21
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►
I feel like I introduced you to the
00:46:23
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concept of the half handshake half hug
00:46:25
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►
yes you did I think you were I think you
00:46:27
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►
were the first person who did this and I
00:46:29
◼
►
feel like it caught your
00:46:30
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►
imagination as a good thing to do right
00:46:33
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►
but you still haven't learned how to do
00:46:34
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►
it right and so every time I see you you
00:46:36
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►
try to do it and I'm like oh great
00:46:38
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►
you're not feeling it
00:46:40
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►
if you don't feel it don't do it right I
00:46:43
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►
love doing it and I enjoy it but I feel
00:46:47
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►
like you're overthinking it here's the
00:46:49
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►
question for the listeners Brady has
00:46:50
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►
this idea this thing that he's invented
00:46:52
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►
which is a half handshake where like I
00:46:56
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do break you don't hug the person you
00:47:01
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►
sort of handshake and back slap at the
00:47:03
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►
same time yeah yeah ugh I call a humble
00:47:07
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►
hug okay got it
00:47:10
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but you're keeping like a little bit of
00:47:12
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►
distance because your hands are shaking
00:47:14
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►
in between the two of you yeah and then
00:47:16
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►
the hands go over the back like I gets a
00:47:18
◼
►
hug we're like you know your belly
00:47:19
◼
►
buttons wouldn't touch it's just like
00:47:21
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►
right my right shoulder would touch your
00:47:23
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►
right shoulder as our right hands shake
00:47:25
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►
and then my left hand will touch the
00:47:27
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►
back of your left shoulder I'm doing
00:47:29
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►
this a friend of microphone right now
00:47:30
◼
►
yeah okay I mean that it's a difficult
00:47:33
◼
►
maneuver to pull off obviously this is
00:47:35
◼
►
like 16 plus level greetings right this
00:47:38
◼
►
is this is not for beginners yeah but I
00:47:40
◼
►
also feel like I don't understand the
00:47:42
◼
►
boundaries of social greetings anymore
00:47:45
◼
►
it's like like how well do you have to
00:47:48
◼
►
know someone to do a hug greeting hum
00:47:51
◼
►
versus a hug well no no this is a
00:47:53
◼
►
spectrum right we have the full spectrum
00:47:55
◼
►
so on one end we have like a hug
00:47:58
◼
►
right yeah and so we could say clearly
00:47:59
◼
►
family members right you would greet a
00:48:02
◼
►
family member with a hug yeah maybe a
00:48:03
◼
►
kiss on the cheek right that's one clear
00:48:06
◼
►
clear end who I'm allowed to kiss so I
00:48:08
◼
►
find difficult no no let's just put that
00:48:11
◼
►
aside just for the moment like we can
00:48:12
◼
►
return to this but all right then on the
00:48:14
◼
►
other end you have like you have flown
00:48:17
◼
►
to Japan and now met a stranger and
00:48:22
◼
►
you're just going to politely bow and I
00:48:25
◼
►
feel like you're in some kind of
00:48:26
◼
►
competition to bow lower but I also
00:48:28
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►
don't know for sure if that's real so
00:48:30
◼
►
anyway this is like the contact spectrum
00:48:33
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►
and then for most of the times you meet
00:48:35
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►
I feel like I'm meeting a pure stranger
00:48:37
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►
it's really fine like okay we do
00:48:39
◼
►
handshakes handshakes for everybody but
00:48:44
◼
►
soon as I'm meeting a person the second
00:48:46
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►
time or the third time I don't know I
00:48:48
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►
feel like I always get it wrong I feel
00:48:50
◼
►
like I do this wrong every time and I
00:48:52
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►
don't know how to do it and I am now
00:48:53
◼
►
convinced I'm gonna blame you on
00:48:55
◼
►
introducing like an off by one error
00:48:58
◼
►
that has looped over in my head a
00:49:00
◼
►
hundred thousand times and is making
00:49:01
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►
every time I greet someone hard and
00:49:04
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►
incomprehensible to me now the thing you
00:49:06
◼
►
shouldn't do is reference the hug that's
00:49:08
◼
►
my tip okay like don't say we're hugging
00:49:12
◼
►
or let's have a hug or come on haha hug
00:49:14
◼
►
just do the hug but don't reference the
00:49:16
◼
►
hug okay so no verbal acknowledgment of
00:49:19
◼
►
the hug yeah is there a way to save it
00:49:21
◼
►
when someone else is going for the hug
00:49:23
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►
but you go for the handshake you've got
00:49:26
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►
a you've got to convert to the hug
00:49:27
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►
they can't downgrade you've got a rise
00:49:29
◼
►
to the occasion and join the hug what if
00:49:32
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►
they've already extended their hands and
00:49:34
◼
►
you haven't noticed Holloman asked all
00:49:36
◼
►
them in to the humble hugs up yank them
00:49:38
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►
in humble hug yeah hmm
00:49:42
◼
►
you can also deflect a hug into a humble
00:49:45
◼
►
hug okay deflect a hug I feel like it
00:49:47
◼
►
needs to cut it like some like brazilian
00:49:51
◼
►
jiu-jitsu class to practice this and
00:49:52
◼
►
there's also another option is as you do
00:49:54
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►
the hug and if it's become awkward and
00:49:56
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►
you realize it's all gone wrong you do
00:49:58
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►
like a funny you pat them on the back
00:50:00
◼
►
three or four times and like with a
00:50:01
◼
►
laugh like isn't this funny what we're
00:50:03
◼
►
doing and make a big joke of the hug
00:50:05
◼
►
wait but so now you're referencing yeah
00:50:07
◼
►
everything the hug yeah but that's only
00:50:08
◼
►
because it needs referencing because
00:50:10
◼
►
it's all gone so far wrong okay so if it
00:50:12
◼
►
goes if it goes really wrong hmm you
00:50:14
◼
►
reference the hug I'll write you some
00:50:16
◼
►
notes this was all brought to a head on
00:50:19
◼
►
God I will remember this until the day I
00:50:22
◼
►
die but I was meeting a stranger on one
00:50:25
◼
►
of my recent trips and we just we just
00:50:27
◼
►
went to do I swear to God Brady like you
00:50:31
◼
►
know level two and above the Simo simple
00:50:34
◼
►
thing the handshake yeah and somehow I
00:50:38
◼
►
went to handshake this other guy and I
00:50:40
◼
►
did it so wrong that how to describe
00:50:44
◼
►
this so imagine you're holding out your
00:50:46
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►
hand for a handshake and then you lower
00:50:50
◼
►
your pinkie so there's space like you're
00:50:52
◼
►
making a shadow dog on the wall somehow
00:50:55
◼
►
I got my hand into that position
00:50:58
◼
►
we we shook with like just the the
00:51:01
◼
►
webbing of our pinkies touching and the
00:51:03
◼
►
rest of our hands holding could have
00:51:05
◼
►
died I swear I could have died in that
00:51:09
◼
►
moment and it's like we're gonna do this
00:51:11
◼
►
we're gonna shake right
00:51:13
◼
►
boom boom boom three and done and no
00:51:15
◼
►
reference to it and this might be one of
00:51:18
◼
►
the last things I think about before I
00:51:19
◼
►
die is because it just keeps popping up
00:51:21
◼
►
in my head over and over again
00:51:23
◼
►
worse than the sloppy Ben's moment
00:51:25
◼
►
honestly yes because unlike the sloppy
00:51:28
◼
►
buns moment which was such a peculiar
00:51:31
◼
►
events with very special circumstances
00:51:34
◼
►
around it handshakes happen all the time
00:51:36
◼
►
and so now when I go to a handshake with
00:51:38
◼
►
someone I'm like very focused on keeping
00:51:40
◼
►
my fingers together to make sure that
00:51:42
◼
►
there is no accidental slippage here so
00:51:45
◼
►
it's been really rough for me Brady and
00:51:47
◼
►
then when you throw in the difficulty of
00:51:50
◼
►
living abroad as an expat and the
00:51:53
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►
complication of like who do you kiss
00:51:55
◼
►
because some people expect the kisses
00:51:58
◼
►
especially when you're dealing with
00:51:59
◼
►
foreigners and it's a broad like I can't
00:52:01
◼
►
deal with it and Here I am many years
00:52:03
◼
►
into life and I'm clearly getting much
00:52:06
◼
►
worse at the how do you greet another
00:52:08
◼
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human protocol I'll tell you my biggest
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problem with the kiss okay and that is
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in a lot of the circles I move in the
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guys have a hug or a humble hug and
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male-female combinations do a kiss
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that's the way we roll right yep but I
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won't kiss someone who I don't know very
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well so sometimes if you're in a group
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and there are like say five or six women
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and you know them really well and
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there's one you don't you get into a
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situation where you use five people and
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then you get to the final person and
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you're like you just stick out your hand
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and shake your hand because it's like I
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don't you know it would be inappropriate
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for me to kiss you person and yet it
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almost feels like after you've just
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kissed all the other people it's almost
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like you're shunning them like it's like
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no I don't like you you know you smell I
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don't want to kiss you well of course
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that's not the case it creates a real
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awkward situation kiss kiss kiss kiss
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see you later shake and yeah yeah I
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don't know how to handle that you know I
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think that is the only way to handle
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that but I just feel a bit guilty it is
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extra worse because the the cheek kiss
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greeting thing I mean let's just ignore
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or to things like sometimes you never
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know what the other person's gonna do
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well you know sometimes free and you get
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you get cold out for only doing two
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there's three even work don't understand
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you go back to the one you started on
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you about it now yeah and if you're
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needed to do they're like no no no no we
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must do three no that's kissing the
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Latian no we're gonna be here all day
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doing this air kiss cheek thing okay so
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that situation with the kisses that is
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really hard I feel like the kiss is a
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closer greeting than the hug yeah I'm
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more discriminating with cheek kisses
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even err cheek kisses than I would be
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with hugs I think with a dude you can
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escalate to hug relatively quickly yeah
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or the humble hug because I really got
00:53:57
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to work on that I really got to work on
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that but so that's why it feels like if
00:54:00
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you've done the cheek kiss and then
00:54:04
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there's one woman who you don't feel
00:54:07
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it's okay or you know her well enough to
00:54:09
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do the cheek kiss it does now feel like
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it's an extra level of social rejection
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to not do the cheek kiss whereas I feel
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like when I've been in those situations
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where it's a group of people and someone
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does the hug I agree it feels like the
00:54:25
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only thing that you can do is i okay
00:54:26
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well now everybody's getting a hug right
00:54:28
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yeah hug escalation has just occurred
00:54:30
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yeah and now I have to remember for all
00:54:33
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of these people for all the rest of time
00:54:34
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that like we've escalated to hug and so
00:54:37
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I have to remember that next time so I
00:54:38
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don't downgrade them it doesn't feel
00:54:40
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like you can escalate to cheek kissing I
00:54:43
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feel especially as a guy like the other
00:54:46
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person has to initiate the cheek kissing
00:54:48
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thing is like okay then we're on this
00:54:50
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level and sometimes if you've done three
00:54:52
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or four in a row
00:54:53
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they will realize okay this is awkward
00:54:55
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for him I'm gonna give him the cheek yes
00:54:58
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otherwise it's gonna be awkward for him
00:54:59
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but it's difficult this is difficult
00:55:02
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times we live in
00:55:03
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it's awful but I've been mean to ask you
00:55:05
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for months like help me greet people
00:55:07
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Brady I just don't know how to do it
00:55:09
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maybe I'll run like away days like you
00:55:11
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know up in the mountains where you come
00:55:12
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and do like a three or four day retreat
00:55:14
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we just do like hugging lessons and
00:55:18
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handshakes and air kisses and next time
00:55:20
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I see you in all seriousness I want you
00:55:22
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to help me practice the humble oh don't
00:55:25
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mention it don't reference it manikin a
00:55:33
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punching bag just be hugging it Oh day
00:55:37
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like okay maybe I'll give that a try but
00:55:42
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I feel like I've not been socially
00:55:43
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rejected you don't want to practice
00:55:44
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humble hugging degrading it hurts it
00:55:46
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hurts deep well as I record this in
00:55:49
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January you may be thinking about new
00:55:52
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year's resolutions and Harry's would
00:55:54
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like you to think about how they may fit
00:55:56
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in with that maybe you're planning to be
00:55:58
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a bit smarter with money this year
00:55:59
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and Harry's well they can save you about
00:56:01
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$100 a year if you're a frequent shaver
00:56:04
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or maybe you just want to take better
00:56:06
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care of yourself and again
00:56:07
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Harry's want to point out they've won
00:56:09
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countless grooming Awards they'll keep
00:56:11
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you looking and feeling great now
00:56:14
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personally I think Harry's have got
00:56:15
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great blades they give you a great
00:56:17
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comfortable glide a good shave and they
00:56:20
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do indeed save you money very reasonably
00:56:22
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priced but my favorite thing about
00:56:24
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Harry's is basically just the look and
00:56:27
◼
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the feel of the product I really love
00:56:28
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the way they're shaving handles look
00:56:30
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nice clean lines simple not too kind of
00:56:34
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space-age in high-tech like a lot of
00:56:36
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other shaving brands that well
00:56:37
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personally I think look silly and I also
00:56:39
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love the packaging that Harry's comes in
00:56:42
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if you've ever ordered them you know
00:56:43
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what I mean not only is it nice to
00:56:45
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receive they make great gifts just cuz
00:56:47
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of the way everything's boxed and
00:56:49
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packaged and wrapped really top staff
00:56:51
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have a look check out their website if
00:56:53
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you want to know what I mean
00:56:54
◼
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now Harry's line they always like to say
00:56:55
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they're about a great shave at a fair
00:56:58
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price and that's why over three million
00:57:00
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guys have switched to Harry's although I
00:57:02
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was just thinking how it has been around
00:57:04
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long enough that there are probably a
00:57:06
◼
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lot of people now who haven't switched
00:57:08
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to Harry's but started on Harry's people
00:57:10
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whose first shave was with a Harry's
00:57:12
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razor maybe they've been Harry's all
00:57:14
◼
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their Shaving life that's a fun thought
00:57:16
◼
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now this is a company that's so
00:57:17
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confident that you're gonna love their
00:57:19
◼
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blades they'll give you their free trial
00:57:22
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shave set for free when you sign up at
00:57:25
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Harry's calm /h I you just have to pay
00:57:29
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for the shipping
00:57:30
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that's harrys.com /h I that's a free
00:57:36
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a 13 dollar value shave set and that's
00:57:38
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that's going to include their weighted
00:57:40
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economic razor handle five precision
00:57:43
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engineered blades with a lubricating
00:57:45
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strip and trimmer blade they're rich
00:57:47
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lathering shave gel and a travel blade
00:57:50
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cover so that the sharp blades not
00:57:52
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bouncing around in your toiletries kit
00:57:54
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when you're traveling around the place
00:57:55
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handy little extra that once more free
00:57:58
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trial' set harrys.com /h I get there now
00:58:01
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our thanks to them for supporting this
00:58:03
◼
►
episode I was at the cinema the other
00:58:06
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►
day actually it was when I saw the last
00:58:08
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Jedi it wasn't even the other day and
00:58:10
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they were running the thousand ads they
00:58:12
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run before films now which drives me
00:58:14
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crazy and they ran an ad for Twitter I
00:58:20
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was quite astonished by this ad I've
00:58:23
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read a bit about it since and heard a
00:58:24
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bit more about it I sent it to you
00:58:26
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earlier today this is breathtaking to me
00:58:28
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it's well known that Twitter has this
00:58:30
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problem of needing to get new people
00:58:32
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onto Twitter and someone has obviously
00:58:35
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convinced them that they need to pitch
00:58:37
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themselves at people who don't know what
00:58:40
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electricity is or something I don't know
00:58:42
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this is like these ads are pitched so
00:58:45
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low and so basic at teaching people what
00:58:49
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Twitter is and how to use it that if you
00:58:51
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need to be pitched this low at there's
00:58:54
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no way you're gonna use Twitter anyway
00:58:56
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in these ads it's like there's you know
00:58:58
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it's a couple of dumb scenarios but it's
00:59:01
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guys are trying to figure out how to use
00:59:03
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Twitter and someone comes along and it's
00:59:05
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like oh hey you need to pick a username
00:59:06
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Oh but-but-but my name's taken oh well
00:59:09
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then you have to think of a clever other
00:59:11
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username Brady can use an alternative
00:59:14
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name you don't have to use your heart
00:59:16
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name realize yes and now you follow
00:59:19
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things that you're interested so if
00:59:22
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you're so if you're interested in
00:59:23
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something that's the sort of thing you
00:59:25
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should follow and when you do that
00:59:27
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what's gonna happen is you're gonna be
00:59:30
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connected with other human beings who
00:59:32
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aren't you really and be able to see
00:59:36
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what those people are saying not you
00:59:38
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oh other people not me not you and see
00:59:41
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that magnifying glass thing's symbol
00:59:43
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that thing that looks like a magnifying
00:59:45
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glass right is that for like science
00:59:46
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lessons no that's what does is that lets
00:59:50
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and if there's something you want to
00:59:51
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find hmm click that you will be able to
00:59:55
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search and on Twitter you can find other
00:59:58
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things that weren't already on you
00:59:58
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things that weren't already on you
01:00:00
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screen you can find other things it's
01:00:03
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you've got to get on this thing man it's
01:00:05
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awesome well it certainly looks like
01:00:07
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it's a like a platform for morons based
01:00:10
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on these advertisements if you don't
01:00:12
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know these things you're so far from
01:00:16
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being on Twitter
01:00:17
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you're obviously don't use the Internet
01:00:18
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I do enjoy them explain the concept of a
01:00:21
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username yeah yeah like okay yeah great
01:00:24
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I think people are familiar with the
01:00:26
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idea that on websites you have user
01:00:30
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names I'm sure there are people who
01:00:31
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aren't familiar with that grey but those
01:00:33
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people aren't who you need to be
01:00:34
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advertising to then lost to you oh wow
01:00:38
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that's really bad I do feel like this is
01:00:40
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a thing where you know you start off
01:00:43
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with this concept that Twitter doesn't
01:00:46
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reach a general audience and I've always
01:00:48
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been on the side of a like man I wish
01:00:50
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Twitter didn't have a bazillion dollars
01:00:52
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worth of venture capital sunk into it so
01:00:55
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that it has to constantly grow because I
01:00:57
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just don't think that Twitter is ever
01:01:00
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going to be a facebook like thing I
01:01:04
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think you're always going to have like
01:01:06
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1/10 of the people who are on Facebook
01:01:08
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are on Twitter I don't think it's a
01:01:10
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useful social network for every human
01:01:14
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being in the world and I just don't
01:01:17
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think it ever will be and I'm also
01:01:19
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willing to bet that these ads are like
01:01:22
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throwing money into a black hole as far
01:01:25
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as Twitter is concerned you know
01:01:27
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probably in the in the kind of world
01:01:29
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where you're putting an advertisement
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for Twitter before a movie hey you know
01:01:33
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we're talking about like a first world
01:01:34
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country you probably have the Twitter
01:01:37
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market share that you're going to have I
01:01:40
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don't think there's a lot of growth like
01:01:42
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just let Twitter be Twitter maybe you
01:01:44
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could argue the ideas explaining how
01:01:46
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Twitter works to people and I think
01:01:47
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that's a waste of time but if you're
01:01:49
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advertising to people who sort of know
01:01:51
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what Twitter is but think it's not for
01:01:53
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them that add in no way makes you think
01:01:56
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oh there is a platform I'm gonna move to
01:01:58
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now like there's nothing in the ad that
01:01:59
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makes you think there's something I'm
01:02:01
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missing out on here I don't need to get
01:02:02
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on let's say you wanted people to sign
01:02:05
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up with Twitter that you thought this
01:02:06
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was a good idea and you thought hey
01:02:08
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maybe people are really unfamiliar with
01:02:10
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all of the great things that Twitter can
01:02:11
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do I know let's see
01:02:13
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our framing device is a hostage
01:02:17
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negotiation right so we're going to have
01:02:19
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a guy in a house who looks like he's a
01:02:22
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crazy person with police on the outside
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and we're going to have a hostage
01:02:26
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negotiator yelling the instructions of
01:02:28
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how to sign up for Twitter remotely at
01:02:32
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him like the crazy man in the house who
01:02:35
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if this was a movie in every movie would
01:02:37
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be like a lunatic with a gun holding
01:02:39
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hostages on the inside of the house like
01:02:41
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he's the guy who's coming out and it's
01:02:43
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using Twitter like it's I don't
01:02:44
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understand who this is for in both ads
01:02:49
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the guy that they're trying to get to
01:02:51
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use Twitter and be on Twitter is a god
01:02:54
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you don't want to be like he's like no I
01:02:56
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don't want to be that guy yeah in the
01:02:58
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second one he's like a shadow just
01:02:59
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running along a road for reasons I can't
01:03:01
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really understand it doesn't make any
01:03:03
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sense I mean like you can explain stuff
01:03:05
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simply if people need to know it I feel
01:03:08
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like a good example of this is like if
01:03:10
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you look at what the original iPhone
01:03:13
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commercials were those commercials are
01:03:16
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hilariously simple now where they
01:03:20
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explain very slowly how you make a phone
01:03:23
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call on your iPhone and they sure like
01:03:25
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you tap on this button and then you tap
01:03:27
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on the numbers yeah they show you like
01:03:28
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here's how you look up a place on a map
01:03:30
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on your iPhone and they go through it
01:03:31
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super simply but psych yeah that's
01:03:33
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because smartphones were new and they're
01:03:36
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also a product for the whole world click
01:03:39
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you want everybody to do this and Apple
01:03:43
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left those behind relatively quickly
01:03:46
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right whereas here now are like 10 years
01:03:50
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into the existence of Twitter and
01:03:51
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they're putting out ads to convince
01:03:53
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people to go on Twitter they're terrible
01:03:56
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ads and I bet their horrific ly
01:03:58
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ineffective but I'm always amazed stuff
01:04:01
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like this gets made
01:04:02
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I kind of would love to be on the fly on
01:04:04
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the wall in the pitch meetings for this
01:04:07
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kind of thing like how does this
01:04:08
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locomotive leave the train station I
01:04:10
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just don't understand I know you sort of
01:04:12
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quite often go on sort of Twitter fasts
01:04:14
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where you're not on Twitter for a long
01:04:15
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time you know you're offline and then
01:04:17
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you'll sort of reappear after 2 or 3
01:04:19
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I've always wondered when you do that
01:04:21
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how far back will you go through sort of
01:04:24
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at replies and things like that to see
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what you missed or whom
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fire things at you or do you think like
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anything more than a day old is lost
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forever or will you sit there and go
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through like a timeline for the last
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week or so and go oh there's something
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interesting there that's a funny picture
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or or will you just completely shun that
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oh now forget it I just I don't look in
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the past right the most I'll do which
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sounds terrible but it's true is because
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I am a lucky verified user on Twitter I
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will click on the verified tab to see if
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there's anything interesting in there
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and that is a vastly vastly smaller
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subsection of that replies yeah but no
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like haven't really been on Twitter very
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much at all in the past many weeks and I
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just don't bother to look at the app
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replies I don't think it's really a
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worthwhile thing to do to scroll back
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for three weeks worth of that reply it's
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like especially what makes Twitter great
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is it so in the moment yeah it feels way
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more ephemeral than other mediums do so
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I wouldn't go back through the history
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well are you thinking of taking a
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Twitter fast Brady are you looking for
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advice I was just curious I was curious
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I don't really go off for as long as you
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but sometimes I'll go back a day or two
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and there'll be something like ah I'm
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really glad I went back and found that
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because that was a real little gem that
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someone like a funny picture that a team
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sent me or something that I would have
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otherwise missed and I sort of think
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yeah you can miss some good stuff
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amongst all that rubbish that you don't
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want to say I was just curious you know
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everywhere in the world you can miss
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good stuff it doesn't mean that it makes
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sense to look everywhere in the world
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well that segues nicely to a quick one
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let's do a one of our famous quickfire
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rounds that we're so good at oh okay
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because you've missed a lot of news
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lately I have I have been very
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disconnected from the world so fill me
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in on the important updates that have
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been going on but we haven't spoken for
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a while and I've pulled together a small
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little collection of news stories that
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either I want to hear what you think
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about or I want to rant about the first
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one and I just came across this today is
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the humanity star okay I don't like the
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name of this already it looks like it's
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a small satellite that's some kind of
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geodesic sphere made from carbon fiber
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and highly reflective
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that has been put spinning into orbit
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and is designed to like flash as the Sun
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catches it so that it blinks a lot so
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that we can all look up and see it as
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some kind of inspirational art
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installation is this real I'm looking at
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his website this isn't a concept has
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this actually been launched it's not
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April 1st is it no I think it's up
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there's an app you can look where it is
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at the moment like it's currently
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heading towards Mongolia and then over
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Russia oh yeah oh yeah look at that
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there's a live map of where this space
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junk is how exciting it will last nine
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months and then it will fall out of
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orbit apparently where will it land yeah
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I mean yeah it will burn up I mean
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obviously there are certain satellites
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famously there's these Iridium flares
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that are caused by satellites when they
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catch the Sun at a certain angle and
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that's what inspired this they've made
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like a deliberate one that's full of
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mirrors that will do this rather than
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have it happen incidentally I am very
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unconvinced by the merits of this tell
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me why you're opposed to a Brady I think
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like the sky is maybe like the one
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untouched thing that isn't hasn't got
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like human machina Slover if you don't
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include skywriting and banners in Miami
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and things like that right like you can
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look up at the stars and see everything
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as it was like you know a thousand years
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ago and not have like coca-cola
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billboards and human intervention and I
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think this is the thin end of a wedge
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where we're now thinking oh now we can
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get things into space easier this is an
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opportunity to like put stuff up there
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that will catch people's eye and I think
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this is the star of coca-cola billboards
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in space where we're putting things in
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space deliberately to be seen back down
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here on earth like I know you can see
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the space station and you can see
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satellites if the conditions are right
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and you'll see a dot moving through the
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stars but like that's kind of incidental
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this is like oh let's make something
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that deliberately catches people's
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attention down on earth and like do we
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want to go this way is this the
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direction we want to go well we're doing
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it yes but Brady in the Y section on the
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humanity star website yeah if they say
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that humanity is capable of great and
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kind things when we recognize we are one
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species responsible for the care of each
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and our planet together the humanity
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star is to remind us of this no matter
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where you are in the world rich or in
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poverty in conflict or at peace everyone
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will be able to see the bright blinking
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Humanity star orbiting the Earth in the
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night sky don't you think that's a noble
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goal breathing well you've just given
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them a nice piece of audio they can clip
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and put on their website it's a healthy
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reminder of how easy people in other
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countries can put satellites above our
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country I just think it's the star of
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mucking up space it wouldn't have
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crossed my mind that this might be the
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start of the thin end of a wedge I mean
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to me this just strikes me as like vain
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space junk more vain than putting a
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Tesla in space I feel like I missed that
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story I never quite got with her duty
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wasn't it launching a Tesla to Mars
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wasn't that what it was I don't think it
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was Mars I think it was to check it out
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in space somewhere what chuck it at the
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Sun like it was garbage is that what it
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now I need to Tesla in space what was
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that this is one of these things there
01:09:56
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was like it vaguely reached my bubble
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but didn't quite I think for some reason
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the need to put a heavy object out in
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space and they think well why not use a
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Tesla Roadster as opposed to just like a
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heavy thing at least the headlines are
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all saying that they're shooting a Tesla
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Roadster beyond Mars whatever that means
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but at least is not like there's a Tesla
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orbiting the Earth ridiculous if there
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was a Tesla that was orbiting the night
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sky so that everybody could look up and
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be reminded that humanity is capable of
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great things when we recognize we are
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one species responsible for the care of
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each other and our planet together that
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would be ridiculous okay yeah Musk's
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thing is they need to have a dummy
01:10:33
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payload to test a rocker and instead of
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just putting some concrete or rocks in
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it because you're obviously not going to
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put like a billion-dollar satellite in
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yet you know test right why not put a
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roadster in there because you know he's
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got them lying around so you know why
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not cross promote my my cars at the same
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time and like you know but I mean the
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guy's a total publicity tat say yes or
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at least there's a functional reason for
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that but the humanity star there why
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page does not convince me of the merits
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of it like you put a shiny thing up in
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the sky and just just because you say
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for this thing like it doesn't make it
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that thing it just is what it is plus
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the number of people who will ever
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recognize it or see it is tiny and if
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they do they won't think like wow I'm
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really feeling like I'm one with the
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human species they'll think I wonder
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what that dot is is it a plane
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or is it a satellite yeah whatever right
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and then that'll be the end of their
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thought process if they even notice it
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I love the condescending way you say
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humanity's death
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well I mean come on you give it a name
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like that and that's what's going to
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happen like it's it's reaching so far
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yeah I feel like this is dumb and I
01:11:41
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really just wondered mostly about the
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details of how did this get up into
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orbit like what like I'm just realizing
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I don't really know how nations
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coordinate satellites up in space or
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anything I just realizing there's this
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huge gaping hole in my knowledge of how
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this kind of stuff works yeah I don't
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know maybe in ten years we'll be seeing
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coca-cola billboards as it gets cheaper
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and easier to launch things up into
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outer space well next time I'm following
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the humanity star tracker and I say it's
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going over London I'll give you a text
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and say go out now great oh yeah it's
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your chance to say it yeah I'm sure
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standing in central London where when I
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look up into the night sky and see
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nothing but blackness because my
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solution I'm sure I'll I'm sure I'll
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spot this one more nice more news
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Bam Bam Bam so I don't know if you saw
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this but there was an election in
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Virginia where the two candidates got
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equal votes and it was like in the
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11,000 s or something a really high
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number and they ended up on equal votes
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so they decided the election by a random
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draw which is interesting in itself and
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how they decide to do a random draw I
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find fascinating what do you think of
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deciding an election by randomness when
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the votes are even fair enough I'm kind
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of okay with it as long as it's set out
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in advance like everybody knows this is
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part of the rules like I think this is a
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not uncommon electoral feature nono
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happens nothing happens with smaller
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constituencies obviously where the vote
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numbers are lower but this was quite a
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high one to have a coin toss but yeah
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well there wasn't a coin toss they
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pulled names out of film canisters from
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a stoneware bowl
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but that's a whole other story he's very
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specific film canisters bought on Amazon
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the woman even like she was doing guys
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I bought these film canisters on Amazon
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they're unmarked and identical the A+
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American accent their breathing I don't
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know what that was it kind of I was
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halfway through I decided to convert to
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American say it all went a bit wrong how
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does that particularly enjoy
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non-americans doing American accents
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it's always a combination of horrific ly
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wrong in ways that are hard to place and
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also the horror of recognizing that this
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is what the world thinks you sounds like
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it's like okay this is what people
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people think Americans they always gave
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very southern very quickly as well yeah
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has also loud and broad that's also what
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it yeah do that I'm an American Oh
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perfect yep that could have come from
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anywhere America any town USA that's
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your American accent pretty so I just
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think the random the coin toss thing is
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like where pragmatism is running up
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against idealism we're sure in theory
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you would want to have the election
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again and I bet the simple fact of
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knowing that there was a tie would
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change the result the next time or it's
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just in shockingly unlikely that you
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would get a tie the next time but like
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what are you gonna do not every district
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in America can run a second election
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like sometimes especially in smaller
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races like you just need to get things
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moving and you need to put somebody in
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that office so um I'm sort of okay with
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the coin flip it's not ideal but it's
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practical under some circumstances this
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was the do story that has stuck in my
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head the longest over the last few weeks
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so I just thought I'd tell you about it
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okay this was a surgeon who got caught
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lasering his initials on two livers
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before he transplanted them into people
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it was just so remarkable like I
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couldn't have made that one up I'm not
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entirely clear why he did it I think it
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must have been like a vanity exercise
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like you know gray was here yeah I think
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yeah it's 100% vanity it's like asking
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for more podcast reviews yeah say his
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be he was lasering onto these livers
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which apparently didn't cause any damage
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to the livers and would eventually go
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away but apparently he got caught out
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when another surgeon opened up someone
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who needed like a little bit of running
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repairs and they said hang on is that an
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S be on the liver sb was here W uz and
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he got caught but the funny thing was
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they couldn't figure what to charge him
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with he was charged with assault
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occasioning actual bodily harm which
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seems like a strange charge for that
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like putting your initials on a liver
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that's not even in a person and then
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putting that in but he pleaded not
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guilty to that and he ended up pleading
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guilty to two counts of assault by
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beating as bad as they like yes in my
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mind like I'm trying to think of what
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would you charge a person
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assault as what just popped into my head
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is the first choice yeah but if the
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liver was not inside the person when it
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happened maybe it was maybe it was maybe
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he put it in and then put his SPF
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towards to say job done like like
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signing your artwork if it's in the
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person I feel like if it could be
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assault if it's not in the person if
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it's on the table then it feels like
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property damage say this other surgeon
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that core team might open someone up and
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saw it took a photograph of it with
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their mobile phone of the four
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centimeter high branding that's like oh
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my goodness I'm gonna take a picture of
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that is there a picture in this article
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I want to think I haven't seen a picture
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of the SBA ah I don't know if that's
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come out what a story hey I feel like
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this story is so weird on so many levels
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like surgeons always have that cliche
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you know there are they've got a god
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complex and they think they're awesome
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like this is really reinforcing that
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stereotype that he's like thinks he's
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like this Picasso of surgery and has to
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sign his work well I mean on the one
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hand the man's putting new livers into
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people like Picasso couldn't do that so
01:17:35
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what you think he has got a right to
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sign it well I think this is one of the
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most amazing news stories why can't the
01:17:40
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news all be this this is fantastic Brady
01:17:43
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I want every news story to be this news
01:17:44
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story I love this line in the sand
01:17:46
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the Kalam reading about it says a barium
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Crown Court representative said he was
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charged with assault causing actual
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bodily harm but pleaded guilty on
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Wednesday to a lesser charge of assault
01:17:55
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by baiting and that it puts in practice
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beating here refers to the physical act
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of inscribing the livers not actually
01:18:02
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beating the patients that's a whole side
01:18:04
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story about the ridiculousness of plea
01:18:06
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I'll admit guilty to a crime they didn't
01:18:09
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I think that stuff is crazy but I feel
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like okay if I had had a liver
01:18:13
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transplant and I found out that the the
01:18:16
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surgeon had signed my liver even in a
01:18:19
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temporary way I would be really annoyed
01:18:22
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by that I would feel like that was some
01:18:24
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kind of violation oh yeah
01:18:27
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the patients were annoyed but they were
01:18:29
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very upset about it they felt very
01:18:30
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violated I heard some of them on the
01:18:32
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radio yeah yeah it would feel weirdly
01:18:34
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violating but I feel like I can't go to
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see surgeons perspective which is like
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I'm an awesome guy putting livers into
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human beings like I can do like a fun
01:18:46
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non-harmful temporary thing like I can
01:18:51
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kind of see what the thought process
01:18:52
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would be going through his head you're
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like a surgical banksy I don't know I
01:18:58
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can't come up with the comparison but
01:19:00
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it's like one of the very early max I
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think the whole development team like
01:19:04
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sawing the inside of the cases for the
01:19:05
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first run or something like that
01:19:07
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feel like oh that's great that's an
01:19:10
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addition I open to the computer and like
01:19:11
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the chip designer had written his name
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across the inside I wouldn't feel
01:19:15
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annoyed I would feel kind of like yeah
01:19:17
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you can't do that you can put your name
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on the inside of the machine that I'll
01:19:20
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never see or even in videogames coders
01:19:22
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are notorious for hiding signatures and
01:19:27
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little personal things inside the game
01:19:29
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that like the CEO of a company will
01:19:30
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never know is there and that they really
01:19:32
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probably shouldn't be putting in there
01:19:33
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but they do anyway and it becomes Easter
01:19:35
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eggs and I feel like all of that is some
01:19:37
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kind of fun but then when it's a liver
01:19:40
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it just it feels really different and it
01:19:43
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feels totally wrong but I can't find in
01:19:45
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my mind where the line is between like
01:19:48
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the Mac or the video game Easter eggs
01:19:50
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and this signature which is really
01:19:54
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complicated by the fact that it is
01:19:56
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impermanent that it's not there forever
01:19:59
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I've got a dusty windscreen on my car
01:20:01
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and someone with their finger writes you
01:20:03
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know clean me yeah yeah like have they
01:20:05
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vandalized my car yeah have they
01:20:07
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battered your car battery here refers to
01:20:09
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the act of right and clean me in the
01:20:11
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window it does not refer to physical
01:20:12
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assault punching the cat yeah here's a
01:20:16
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quote from someone whose life he saved
01:20:17
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previously who I don't think he wrote
01:20:19
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his initials on or maybe he did well
01:20:21
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maybe he did she said even if he did put
01:20:23
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his initials on a transplanted liver is
01:20:25
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it really that bad I wouldn't have cared
01:20:27
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if he did it to me the man saved my life
01:20:29
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I think that that's what's on the other
01:20:31
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side of my mental scale here is I would
01:20:34
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feel violently but at the same time it's
01:20:35
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like I've gotten another liver put
01:20:37
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inside me it's amazing but like a pilot
01:20:39
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flies you across the Atlantic without
01:20:41
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you dying does that mean the pilot now
01:20:43
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has the right to gouge his initials in
01:20:45
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some part of your body because he didn't
01:20:46
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crash the plane and therefore saved your
01:20:48
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life you're helping the language here
01:20:50
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right to gouge which sounds like it sure
01:20:52
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is permanent well but it's not worse
01:20:55
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►
than battery but battery there refers to
01:20:57
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the fact of the legs that right as
01:20:58
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opposed to physical yeah so stupid but I
01:21:00
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don't know like if a plane landed and
01:21:03
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the pilot was like giving hath
01:21:06
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signatures to everybody on the way out
01:21:08
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of the plane I feel like yeah I guess so
01:21:11
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or to put it another way if the pilot
01:21:13
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walked out halfway across the Atlantic
01:21:14
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flight and said I'm not gonna go back
01:21:16
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into the cockpit and this you've let me
01:21:18
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write my initials on your liver you'd
01:21:19
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probably say go ahead just land the
01:21:21
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plane what a weird story
01:21:24
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►
yeah see what you miss out by not
01:21:26
◼
►
following the news I feel like this is
01:21:28
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the most interesting news story you have
01:21:30
◼
►
brought to me in the entire lifetime of
01:21:33
◼
►
this podcast yeah so if I miss out on
01:21:36
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►
one of these every half a decade I think
01:21:40
◼
►
I'm still coming out ahead here's a good
01:21:42
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►
one for you then this is a story from a
01:21:45
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museum in Bristol that got caught
01:21:48
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selling prints of a Banksy statue that
01:21:51
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was in its museum without Banksy's
01:21:53
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permission this is bang see the famous
01:21:55
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you know graffiti artist mysterious
01:21:58
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person who nowhere knows who he is for
01:21:59
◼
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people who don't know Banksy is right
01:22:01
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whose dismal land we went to go see
01:22:03
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exactly so Banksy's people said yeah you
01:22:06
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don't have permission the museum
01:22:07
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apologized profusely and stopped selling
01:22:10
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them they were selling like hotcakes
01:22:11
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apparently and that's
01:22:12
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stop selling them and it was a little
01:22:13
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kerfuffle now the thing I find most
01:22:15
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►
interesting about this is that Banksy
01:22:18
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who made his name illegally graffitiing
01:22:21
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things around Bristol and other places
01:22:23
◼
►
is now on this high horse saying how
01:22:27
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dare you how dare you break the law and
01:22:29
◼
►
make money off me without my permission
01:22:32
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like am I the only one who has this
01:22:35
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little voice in the back of my head gang
01:22:36
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you know I'm all for protecting the
01:22:38
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artists rights you know we've talked
01:22:40
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about freebooting enough but I'm like
01:22:41
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can Banksy do that I am honestly torn
01:22:45
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because I hate saying artists being
01:22:47
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exploited and taken advantage of but
01:22:49
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this is the one person who I feel like
01:22:52
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he's not in a strong position to say you
01:22:56
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can only make money and do things you
01:22:58
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know the right way his whole reputation
01:23:00
◼
►
has been built on writing on walls he's
01:23:04
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not allowed to write on and like you
01:23:05
◼
►
know this gorilla thing about him he's
01:23:08
◼
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talented guy but he's he made his name
01:23:10
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in this dodgy way I just thought it was
01:23:12
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like a bit funny yeah under different
01:23:15
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circumstances Banksy might have to have
01:23:16
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had plead guilty to battery on walls all
01:23:20
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over the United Kingdom there is
01:23:22
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definitely the case of if Banksy was a
01:23:25
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less good artist he would just be in
01:23:28
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jail but it's true right it's totally
01:23:33
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true some some of the things he's done
01:23:35
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if he wasn't a famous artist totally be
01:23:39
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in prison oh yeah I do feel like we have
01:23:42
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to live in a world of laws and the laws
01:23:44
◼
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have to apply to us all and they have to
01:23:45
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be executed fairly I do agree that like
01:23:49
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if Banksy is ever complaining about
01:23:51
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copyright infringement or people using
01:23:55
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his stuff in ways that it shouldn't he
01:23:56
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he is an artist that is going to have
01:23:59
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less of my sympathy and concern over
01:24:03
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something like that
01:24:04
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►
the Louis Goodwin it's AIT's a but not
01:24:06
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when it doesn't say yes obviously your
01:24:10
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copyright should be protected but I'm
01:24:13
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gonna be worried about other things much
01:24:15
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higher on the queue my concern over
01:24:17
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monkey copyright is way higher than my
01:24:19
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►
concern over Banksy copyright last but
01:24:22
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not least cuz you know we like a you
01:24:23
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know logos you know we are design
01:24:25
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a flag reputation precedes us we are
01:24:28
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professional critique errs of many
01:24:30
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things Brady this is right
01:24:31
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►
so they've released the official logo
01:24:34
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for the 2018 World Chess Championship
01:24:38
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you know how I love the World Chess
01:24:39
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Championship so I was very excited to
01:24:42
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see the logo they had released I want to
01:24:44
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know what you think of it and we'll
01:24:46
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obviously will link in the show notes
01:24:47
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for the teams I mean I'd like to hear
01:24:49
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you even try to describe it before you
01:24:50
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►
tell me what you think of it yeah
01:24:52
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so how would one describe this game good
01:24:55
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►
luck okay so we'll start with the easy
01:24:58
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part imagine a chessboard with a pawn on
01:25:03
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it it's a black and white logo to go
01:25:07
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with the black and white board the
01:25:09
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chessboard is being held by six by six
01:25:13
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chessboard I might point out with this
01:25:14
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by-the-by cut you know what you're right
01:25:17
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I'm so distracted by a few other
01:25:19
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►
features of this logo that I didn't
01:25:21
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notice that right away yes the nerds did
01:25:23
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vid yes okay so the chessboard is done
01:25:26
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incorrectly that's great but the
01:25:28
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chessboard is being held by two
01:25:33
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nightmare silhouettes of humans that
01:25:37
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have checkered or lined patterns on
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themselves and they are horribly Mis
01:25:45
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proportioned for humans and torsos are
01:25:48
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too long their arms are intertwined in a
01:25:53
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way that doesn't seem like it would make
01:25:54
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sense they're both looking at the
01:25:57
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chessboard and directly below the
01:26:01
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chessboard the bottom half of both of
01:26:04
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their bodies seem to be entwined in a
01:26:08
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pornographic matter their legs are
01:26:11
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intertwined in a way that is well beyond
01:26:14
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a humble hug that's for sure yes you
01:26:16
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would want to greet someone like that
01:26:18
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yeah this would be an inappropriate
01:26:20
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greeting for all but the most intimates
01:26:25
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of partners we would have to host a lot
01:26:28
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►
more podcast together before we greet as
01:26:30
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►
each other like that that will never
01:26:32
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happen there is no number of podcasts
01:26:35
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you can host that will make this
01:26:38
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appropriate greedy it has been described
01:26:40
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as a Kama Sutra logo tantric sexy the
01:26:44
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pun pornographic has been used some
01:26:48
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people lover it emits high concept you
01:26:50
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know it's real concept art isn't it's
01:26:51
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really abstract and you know the people
01:26:54
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who love it are wrong art is subjective
01:26:56
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but this is not this is ugly and
01:26:59
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horrible it is not at the Maryland point
01:27:02
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of awfulness it's just terrible and
01:27:06
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►
uncomfortable and if I didn't know
01:27:09
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better I would have assumed this was
01:27:10
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►
some kind of joke that this was not real
01:27:14
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god I hope so there was a lot of
01:27:16
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complaints about it but I think it might
01:27:18
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still be the official Lakers well I mean
01:27:20
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if I was on the committee that had
01:27:22
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approved this logo so I mean let's let's
01:27:23
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imagine that I'm the kind of person who
01:27:25
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would approve this logo in the first
01:27:26
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place and then the enormous amount of
01:27:28
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pushback comes back it's like well as
01:27:30
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always my advice is don't negotiate with
01:27:32
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terrorists if I was on that logo
01:27:34
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committee I would hold strong like nope
01:27:36
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this is your logo deal with the people I
01:27:38
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think now I'm hearing something where
01:27:40
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this is like an alternative logo there
01:27:41
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were two different logos it is still a
01:27:44
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logo and if we shall logo but there's
01:27:46
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another logo as well this is like an
01:27:48
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alternative comic book cover that's what
01:27:50
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you're saying yeah but I don't know
01:27:51
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which came first but I've just seen this
01:27:53
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other one on Wikipedia which is the same
01:27:55
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kind of look but without the men doing
01:27:58
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the sexy sexy intertwined pose hmm this
01:28:03
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one also looks like it's got an 8 by 8
01:28:05
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chess board this looks like it's the
01:28:06
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correction logo but okay so this other
01:28:09
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logo that you have sent me is also
01:28:10
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terrible oh it's horrendous and now as
01:28:12
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opposed to 10 trick people in twine in
01:28:16
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an uncomfortable manner now it is just
01:28:19
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their arms and hands entwined in an
01:28:22
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inappropriate manner so I don't like
01:28:24
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this at all I feel like both of these
01:28:28
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logos aside from their design are
01:28:30
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missing something about chess which is
01:28:33
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that like I bet a lot of the people who
01:28:35
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are really good at chess they're not
01:28:38
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like people people I think they're
01:28:40
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people who are really into chess they're
01:28:43
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into the abstract mathematical puzzle
01:28:46
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like routine like nature of chess
01:28:50
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I feel like the logo shouldn't be
01:28:53
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covered in all these gross people I feel
01:28:55
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like this is exactly the kind of thing
01:28:57
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the people who are into chess would not
01:28:59
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want in their logo I feel like they
01:29:01
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would want the Chess so yeah both of
01:29:05
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these are horrible one more horrible
01:29:07
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than the other but both no good it's
01:29:09
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supposed to be
01:29:11
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apparently sort of controversial and
01:29:14
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edgy like the host city which is London
01:29:18
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how is London and a controversial and
01:29:21
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edgy host city it's designed by shuka a
01:29:23
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Russian studio he can buy the poster for
01:29:26
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45 currencies I'm not sure what currency
01:29:28
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I'm looking at it cost 45 something's 45
01:29:31
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in traditional black and white the print
01:29:33
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is an excellent piece for a poster
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collection signed and hand printed on
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gallery stock level who's assigned by
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the designer and Gaston it's signed by
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the surgeon who's replaced your liver
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when you get the poster anyway it did
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catch my eye and I I just wanted to see
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what you thought of it I've got more
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design things for you to review in
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future episodes but we'll come to that
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later thumbs down on this one era that's
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pretty terrible okay Brady I have one
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piece of news to bring to the table as
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well this week and this is yet another
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YouTube kerfuffle yep
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good old YouTube always making sure to
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kick up a fuss in their own very special
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ways but the latest of these kerfuffles
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is that at some point last year YouTube
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introduced this concept that you would
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not be able to put advertisements on
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your YouTube channel until you had
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reached a certain minimum popularity
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threshold so it used to be that you
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could make a YouTube channel you could
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put up YouTube videos but you couldn't
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participate in the Adsense program until
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you had gotten 1,000 subscribers
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yeah and this kicked up a big fuss back
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at the time I feel like it was kind of
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fine for YouTube to do whatever but so
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now here we are and YouTube has turned
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their requirements here so now the big
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barrier that people have to pass is they
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need to have a total watch time of 4,000
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hours on their channel in the past
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twelve months so four thousand human
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hours have to have been burned on your
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YouTube channel before you are allowed
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to put YouTube ads on there without
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sounding like an idiot gray or sounding
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like I'm humble bragging cuz I'm not is
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I have no sort of sense as to that if
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that's so unreasonably high number or
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that's just like you know that's still
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pretty attainable for a solid channel
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that should be any money well this is
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part of it there's one little detail
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here before we get to that but it's just
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that the other thing that is different
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about this change versus the last change
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is that YouTube is also making it
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retroactive that previously channels had
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been grandfathered in if they were not
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under the limit but now YouTube has
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revoked monetization from channels that
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do not hit the 4,000 hour barrier and
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that has caused an enormous amount of
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discussion around YouTube and YouTube
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ruining smaller creators and spoiler
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alert I think all of these complaints
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are pointless and for nothing the answer
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to your question is like is 4,000 hours
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a lot there's like two answers to those
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questions is like four thousand hours is
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a lot for someone who's just making some
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random youtube channel and uploading
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videos to get like a normal person like
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pull a random person off the street and
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if you put a gun to their head and said
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you need to make a youtube channel it
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gets 4000 watch hours like that's
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actually a pretty hard task but if you
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even are remotely a channel that has any
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possibility of doing this in even the
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smallest professional way 4000 hours is
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a very very small barrier to cross
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yeah YouTube's back this up as well with
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some of the data they released where
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they talked about how something like
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ninety or ninety-five percent of all of
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the channels that could possibly affect
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this had earned
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over the entire course of their
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existence less than $100 in ad revenue
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which is the minimum that YouTube
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requires before they'll pay out any of
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the advertising revenue so it's like yes
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there were YouTube channels that were
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earning some money from YouTube that
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will no longer be able to do it after
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this change but when I was doing some
01:33:39
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back of the envelope calculations I mean
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we're talking about channels that were
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earning like two dollars a month or
01:33:46
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three dollars a month and the outpouring
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of rage over this has been enormous and
01:33:53
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I think it is entirely because YouTube
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made maybe a strategic error in taking
01:34:01
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away monetization from channels that
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already have it I feel like that is what
01:34:06
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kicked this up into a big fuss is there
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were a bunch of channels that were just
01:34:11
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under this barrier and then YouTube says
01:34:13
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like oh we're taking away your money and
01:34:14
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people flip out because they feel like
01:34:16
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but I'm looking at this report here that
01:34:18
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says in the past five years I've made
01:34:20
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$25 on YouTube YouTube is stealing from
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me my $25 and it's like I mean yeah in a
01:34:29
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sense they are but I'm not often I like
01:34:34
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a super friend of YouTube here but I
01:34:36
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feel like this is a big deal out of
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nothing and if YouTube wants to tighten
01:34:41
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up the rules about what channels can
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monetize fine I think it's fine to do I
01:34:46
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have had a lot of thoughts about this to
01:34:48
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grade and I read I actually read a lot
01:34:49
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of the online commenting about this from
01:34:51
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the people who are upset by and they
01:34:53
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made fair points one of the points is
01:34:56
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yeah okay I know it's only a few dollars
01:34:57
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but it's really motivating to me and
01:34:59
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also it makes me feel included and
01:35:02
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things like that that seems to be some
01:35:04
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of the main arguments I heard that yeah
01:35:06
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I'm not making a living yet but just
01:35:08
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seeing those two or three dollars you
01:35:09
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know when you're starting out makes a
01:35:11
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difference and also yeah this sort of
01:35:13
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discrimination and it's really hard for
01:35:16
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people like you and I to comment on it
01:35:17
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because you know we have quite big
01:35:19
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YouTube channels and therefore we're not
01:35:21
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affected by it so it's like oh it's easy
01:35:23
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for you to say but the thing I kept
01:35:26
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thinking about is if like if you're
01:35:27
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being I don't know maybe this is too
01:35:29
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altruistic sound
01:35:30
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naive of me but if you're being
01:35:32
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motivated by money at that early stage
01:35:36
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then I'm not sure how much hope I hold
01:35:39
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for you anyway a lot of the people who
01:35:41
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I'm friends with who've gone onto
01:35:43
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YouTube because they've thought oh you
01:35:44
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can make money on YouTube I never
01:35:45
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realized this was a business thing and
01:35:47
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have started channels to make money have
01:35:49
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always failed
01:35:51
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whereas people I know who've made
01:35:53
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YouTube channels for other reasons like
01:35:56
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you know they had something they wanted
01:35:58
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to say they wanted the creative process
01:36:00
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and they hoped to be successful or even
01:36:02
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like you know ego reasons and they liked
01:36:03
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seeing themselves on a screen those
01:36:05
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people tend to succeed more anyway and
01:36:08
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the thing I kept thinking about was when
01:36:09
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I started making YouTube videos
01:36:12
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I don't think monetization existed when
01:36:14
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I first started it wouldn't have yeah
01:36:16
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because I started later than you and it
01:36:17
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had just begun
01:36:18
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I remember getting an email or a message
01:36:21
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from YouTube saying do you want to sign
01:36:23
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up for this program where you can get
01:36:25
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money for your video is like a share of
01:36:27
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the ad content I honestly thought it was
01:36:30
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a joke I thought I thought it was a
01:36:32
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prank or a trap someone was trying to
01:36:34
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get my credit card details or something
01:36:36
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I'd been making videos for ages and
01:36:38
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getting a lot of pleasure from it and
01:36:39
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starting to have success and I didn't
01:36:42
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even think I could make money from I
01:36:43
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wasn't even thinking like that and I
01:36:45
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think it's really interesting the way
01:36:47
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there is a sense of entitlement from
01:36:51
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people I mean I don't love you to bother
01:36:54
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but they do create this amazing platform
01:36:56
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and opportunity for people to reach
01:36:57
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audiences and this technology to host
01:36:59
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all this video they do supply something
01:37:01
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and she's fair enough when you get
01:37:04
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bigger and you start making YouTube
01:37:05
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money you should get a cut of that pie
01:37:07
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but in the early stages when you're not
01:37:10
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actually making YouTube money and you're
01:37:12
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taking advantage of this fabulous
01:37:14
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opportunity where you could make money
01:37:16
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in the future and in the meantime you've
01:37:18
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got access to this platform I find it
01:37:20
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interesting how entitled these people
01:37:22
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sound like how dare you not let me have
01:37:24
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2 or 3 dollars like ok how would you
01:37:27
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feel if YouTube started charging you to
01:37:29
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use the platform I do hear the other
01:37:32
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side of the argument but I do think they
01:37:34
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sound a little bit entitled for such a
01:37:36
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small amount of money and if if you
01:37:39
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can't get to 4 thousand hours on that
01:37:41
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then and you're not going to make much
01:37:43
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I feel like you'll get rewarded if you
01:37:45
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could enough anyway I did think it was
01:37:47
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interesting that said I don't really
01:37:50
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care that much the thing I found more
01:37:52
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interesting was all the people debating
01:37:55
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what was going on and why were YouTube
01:37:57
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doing this and how little it was
01:37:59
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attached to the ad pocalypse like the
01:38:02
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link between this and the ad pocalypse
01:38:03
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seemed to be lost and i i heard all
01:38:06
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these debates and conversations and
01:38:07
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forums saying what are they doing why
01:38:09
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they're doing it it's so unfair I hardly
01:38:11
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heard people talking about that and I
01:38:12
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think it's entirely related to that yeah
01:38:14
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I assume it's related as well that what
01:38:17
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they previously had done they realized
01:38:19
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they hadn't quite set the threshold high
01:38:21
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enough yeah so they couldn't filter out
01:38:23
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these these channels with ten views that
01:38:25
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get screenshotted by The Times and then
01:38:27
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make them look stupid yeah and I suspect
01:38:30
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that because the previous threshold was
01:38:32
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based entirely on subscriber numbers
01:38:33
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that that was probably an easier thing
01:38:36
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for nefarious channels to fake than
01:38:39
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watch time is to just you know create a
01:38:41
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bunch of bots that just subscribe to a
01:38:43
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channel and now it's monetized YouTube
01:38:44
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is pretty on the ball for making sure
01:38:47
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that view numbers are as real as they
01:38:50
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can make sure that they are so I'm I
01:38:52
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imagine that faking watch time is a much
01:38:55
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harder thing to do for YouTube channels
01:38:58
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two points about what you originally
01:38:59
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said though is I do completely agree
01:39:01
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with you and I think that there is
01:39:02
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something that is invisible to many
01:39:04
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users which is the very idea that
01:39:08
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YouTube as particularly as a you know
01:39:12
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high-definition 4k video hosting
01:39:16
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platform the existence of users costs
01:39:20
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YouTube money it costs YouTube money in
01:39:23
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terms of maintenance and bandwidth and
01:39:26
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all of these other things that they have
01:39:27
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to do this is one of the reasons why
01:39:29
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YouTube has always struggled with
01:39:30
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profitability is because it's a site
01:39:33
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that is very different from other sites
01:39:35
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so like just the existence of the users
01:39:37
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does cost it something and I feel like
01:39:40
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people are not aware of that and so that
01:39:43
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it that is also partly why when someone
01:39:45
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says like oh I didn't get my $25 and
01:39:47
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YouTube is stealing it from us as Ike
01:39:49
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well the YouTube doesn't have the 100
01:39:51
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dollar threshold for no reason like
01:39:53
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there's all these other logistic
01:39:55
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problems that are there so it's a bit
01:39:57
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the promise of some money but you have
01:40:00
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to generate enough to make it worthwhile
01:40:03
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to even pay you and I think people don't
01:40:06
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quite understand that concept but I will
01:40:10
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disagree with you about the idea of the
01:40:12
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money motivation I thought you would
01:40:14
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yeah I thought you might suspect that I
01:40:16
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would but like I do have to say because
01:40:18
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when I started on YouTube as well when I
01:40:20
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first put up the first few videos that
01:40:22
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the monetization program did not exist
01:40:23
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and when it came around I got an email
01:40:28
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like a week after my UK video went up
01:40:30
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where at that point YouTube was simply
01:40:33
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trialing monetization and they were
01:40:35
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still doing it on an approved video
01:40:37
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basis so that video had gone in front of
01:40:41
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some human who then sent me an email
01:40:43
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saying would you like this video to be
01:40:46
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included in the monetization program and
01:40:48
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my later videos you know didn't get in
01:40:51
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front of a human to be monetized and so
01:40:54
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for the first while I was earning very
01:40:57
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very little money from YouTube but I
01:41:01
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will say that like I find the argument
01:41:03
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that it's motivating to see the money
01:41:06
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grow is compelling because I for sure
01:41:09
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know that that was the case with me and
01:41:12
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there is a way in which it's like oh I
01:41:15
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earned $5.00 this week like how can I
01:41:18
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crank that up to ten dollars and it is
01:41:22
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motivating to see that happen but my
01:41:29
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asterisk to that point though is I feel
01:41:31
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like the context in which I was
01:41:33
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originally doing that is very different
01:41:35
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whereas now everybody knows that YouTube
01:41:39
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is a platform where if you become
01:41:41
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popular you can earn money from it it's
01:41:44
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just a known thing whereas I feel like
01:41:46
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it was different from me when I was
01:41:48
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getting started because it was so much
01:41:50
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more uncertain like I didn't know
01:41:52
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anybody could make a living off of
01:41:53
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YouTube when I was trying to make those
01:41:55
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numbers go up so I feel like if someone
01:41:58
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is saying like oh the money is really
01:42:00
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motivating it's like but yes we all know
01:42:02
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that if you are popular on YouTube you
01:42:05
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can make money from I feel like knowing
01:42:09
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is the play a little bit and so I'm
01:42:11
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again I'm a farm fine with you two
01:42:12
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putting in this 4,000 hour limit because
01:42:16
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people know that if they can get above
01:42:18
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that they can start earning some money
01:42:20
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like obviously I hear what you're saying
01:42:22
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great and like I know different people
01:42:25
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are motivated by different things but
01:42:27
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now that the money side of YouTube is
01:42:28
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such a known thing as you say everyone
01:42:30
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knows that if you get big you can earn
01:42:32
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money yeah I feel like there's already
01:42:34
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enough metrics and gamification of
01:42:37
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YouTube there in those early stages
01:42:39
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there are enough things that you can
01:42:40
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crank up and try to get beyond knowing
01:42:43
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that the money's coming like you're
01:42:44
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watching 100% I agree oh that's already
01:42:47
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there for people I agree with you that's
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why I'm saying I feel like it's
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different I feel like you don't need to
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see that you earned a couple of dollars
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this week because everybody understands
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now the concept of subscribers and the
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views and the watch that's a like you
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have enough things to work I mean you
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could have a watch time here's your
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countdown to monetization just 500 more
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hours of watch time and you can monetize
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yeah I completely agree I think that the
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money argument is the most compelling
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but I don't think it's compelling enough
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because of the concept of people can
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make a living on YouTube and people see
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that and I came across a thing which I
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feel like made me so sad with the world
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but it's also so obvious which was
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survey of kids in high school and like
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what do they want to be when they grow
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up and YouTube vlogger was the number
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one buy some astonishing margin and it's
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like it's not surprising but also made
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me hugely depressed and do you think
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it's really interesting that there
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exists now enough people on YouTube who
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are making a living at it who for
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essentially all of their teenage life
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they have grown up with the idea that
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this is a thing that people can do and
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they have set out very intentionally to
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do that so I feel like there's enough
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motivation in the world for people to
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try to do this kind of thing and the
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barrier that YouTube is putting up is
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not any kind of barrier if you are going
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any kind of financial success on YouTube
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the other thing that the people aren't
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realizing in my opinion is that this
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could be for their own good like if this
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is to mitigate some of the ad pocalypse
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problems of ads being served against
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content that you don't want to see ads
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next to because of such bad PR then this
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could save them I know that you've
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always had more of an attitude that the
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financial factors will win out and just
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advertisers wanting to advertise on
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online video because that's where the
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eyeballs are will always win out and the
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ad pocalypse maybe we shouldn't panic
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about but I'm getting more and more
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worried about it because the pressure
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that's being brought to bear is not just
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on advertisers now it's on legislators
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and politicians and we've got people
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like the prime ministers at Davos as
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we're recording at the moment and one of
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the things she's going to give a speech
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about is whether or not the UK should
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introduce legislation to do with content
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on YouTube and things like that and if
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laws introduced then like market forces
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aren't the only problem and if they make
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bad laws you know I think we're in a lot
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of peril at the moment yeah I'm unaware
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of them the politicians have been leaned
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on by all these newspaper articles and
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just to shut up the newspapers they're
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beginning to mumble about okay maybe
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we'll make laws when politicians make
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bad laws then you have got problems yeah
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laws are the opposite of markets in many
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ways but I feel like what happened with
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sort of ad pocalypse version 2 which was
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all the stuff around kid content like
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that's what kicked it off into
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politician Minds is who you know it
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always wins votes protecting children
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protecting children wins votes because
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who wants to be against protecting
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children I'm not aware of any of the
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political maneuvers but boy I do not
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like the sound of that one tiny bit and
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I agree that is vastly more of a concern
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about what does youtube look like in the
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future if the UK or other countries
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start introducing poorly thought out
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protective you know content laws and
01:46:38
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requirements around videos on the
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internet there big debate at the moment
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is whether or not YouTube should be
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regulated like television use and
01:46:45
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controls over what's allowed and not
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allowed at that more stringent level
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YouTube's like obviously lobbying
01:46:51
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against that but yeah I mean obviously I
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think it shouldn't be I presume that you
01:46:56
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would think that it shouldn't be
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although I don't want to speak on your
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no I think it's really dangerous I'm
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kind of curious though like as someone
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who has worked in TV like can you
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articulate why you think there's a
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difference between YouTube and TV
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because I mean I think someone can make
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the argument that's like well it all
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comes through your iPhone now and
01:47:15
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they're just apps and you know what's
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what's the difference now right like I
01:47:25
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think that's that's an argument that
01:47:26
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doesn't have an immediately obviously
01:47:29
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good answer as new
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like why is Netflix different from TV
01:47:34
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like well it comes over the internet
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it's like well your TV comes over the
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Internet's Netflix is probably more
01:47:39
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heavily regulated to then I don't know I
01:47:42
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feel like your Netflix is regulated in
01:47:43
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the sense that it is a gatekeeper that
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is producing and selecting content right
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whereas YouTube is the Wild West right I
01:47:49
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find a hard to give reasons I mean I can
01:47:51
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see why you can do it to TV and radio
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because they're using like public
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spectrum and they've licensed public
01:47:57
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spectrum and therefore I can see how
01:47:59
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you've got a toehold into saying we can
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regulate you because you're using
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something the public owns because the
01:48:04
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public owns the spectrum whereas no one
01:48:07
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owns the internet pipes yeah in terms of
01:48:09
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the rationale for I find difficult to
01:48:13
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why can you upload something really
01:48:15
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offensive to YouTube but you can't
01:48:16
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broadcast on TV I find that hard to
01:48:19
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answer my personal answer to something
01:48:20
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like that would be that YouTube because
01:48:23
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it is individuals uploading stuff it's a
01:48:26
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lot closer to the end of people talking
01:48:29
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right it's like yeah humans talking and
01:48:32
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so if you say that this is oh we're
01:48:35
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going to regulate this like it's
01:48:36
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television well it would be kind of
01:48:39
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crazy to say oh the government is going
01:48:41
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to come in and going to regulate
01:48:42
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conversations between people and so I
01:48:45
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feel like that that's one of the things
01:48:46
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that is the difference
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is it's like if someone uploads of like
01:48:51
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a silly video to Facebook you wouldn't
01:48:54
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like oh but they have all the
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responsibilities that BBC you know
01:48:58
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Channel - yes it's just not the same
01:49:01
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thing because it's produced by an
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individual but I can see where many
01:49:06
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parents from their perspective it all
01:49:09
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might seem like oh it's just TV like
01:49:11
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it's all just shows and stuff and
01:49:13
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YouTube is just one channel like Netflix
01:49:16
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is one channel like anything else is one
01:49:19
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channel and then if that is the message
01:49:21
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that gets sent to politicians is like
01:49:22
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well time to regulate this stuff yeah
01:49:24
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that is not a good piece of news that
01:49:25
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you have brought to me Brady yeah maybe
01:49:27
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I think the other unfortunate thing
01:49:29
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about the timing of this YouTube thing
01:49:31
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was I think I just coincidentally had
01:49:34
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this proximity to this Logan poll
01:49:37
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controversy so people think it's very
01:49:39
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tied in with that mm I think it's not so
01:49:42
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tied in with that I think that logan
01:49:44
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poll thing was like a one-off incident
01:49:46
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but it was so high-profile that people
01:49:49
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are forgetting that the bigger problem
01:49:50
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is this more insidious long-term
01:49:53
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campaign being run by legacy media was
01:49:57
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the YouTube monetization I thought that
01:49:58
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was announced before the Logan Paul
01:50:00
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thing but maybe not maybe was announced
01:50:01
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after I don't know but I feel like I
01:50:03
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sort of they've all become a bit
01:50:04
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intertwined now and people have lost the
01:50:07
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thread a bit over where the root danger
01:50:10
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is yeah it just becomes a big mush in
01:50:12
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people's heads like oh there's problems
01:50:15
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on YouTube let's step in and try to fix
01:50:17
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the problems on YouTube I feel like
01:50:19
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there's mostly no problem but okay yeah
01:50:22
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well anyway I'm sorry if your channel
01:50:25
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lost monetization but I don't think it's
01:50:27
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a big I wish they hadn't done it to
01:50:29
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those people because they're good people
01:50:30
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and I want them to be happy but I think
01:50:33
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they're overly worried and if they're
01:50:35
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good enough and I hope they are good
01:50:36
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enough then they'll be fine in no time
01:50:38
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and and hopefully what's being done is
01:50:41
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for their greater good - and keeps the
01:50:42
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platform flush yeah I wish they hadn't
01:50:45
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done it I would be happy if YouTube did
01:50:47
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a more tiered system as part of their
01:50:50
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auction and they could say like Oh
01:50:51
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videos start out in the total wild west
01:50:54
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and if you want to bid on videos out
01:50:56
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there you totally can but we're you know
01:50:57
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we're making
01:50:58
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no claims at all about what that content
01:50:59
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is but obviously YouTube has decided not
01:51:01
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to go that direction so at least I'm
01:51:04
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sure we can know that from this point
01:51:07
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out it's all been sorted and it's going
01:51:10
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to be nothing but smooth sailing and
01:51:12
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clear communication from here on out
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with YouTube the ships in good hands
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doesn't make they put under that but
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think they very often don't you yeah and
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was the name of the spaceship Callister
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or something yeah USS Callister let's
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just say that let's go with that I've
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watched it twice oh wow yeah I watched
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it three hours ago and I watched it and
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okay so we are we are about to talk
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about the first episode of the fourth
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so obviously spoilers starts right now
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so you've watched it twice Brady what do
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you think of a half I will say that I
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liked it quite a lot mm-hmm
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there was one gaping problem with it
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which I was willing to suspend and put
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to one side although was in my mind a
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lot I bet I can guess what there was
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okay yeah and there were two things
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I liked a lot about it and one thing
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didn't like so much about in addition to
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the gaping hole but thumbs up I enjoyed
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watching her it was a good use of my
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time you go what do you think I'm gonna
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have a bit of a backup and like a meta
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commentary here for a moment because I
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get I haven't seen the rest of the
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season so I don't know what that is like
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but having watched this first episode I
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feel like there is one black mirror
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story and I think there's about three
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and then just keep recycling those three
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but there's one main one and the main
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one is the world is not as it seems you
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like you you are in a simulation or
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something along those lines you are in a
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simulation or you are not able to
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perceive the world directly as it is and
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we're getting a bunch of variations on
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that theme and I have to also say I feel
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like I'm okay with that I don't mind
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that but what I found myself thinking a
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lot was I was thinking of the hero's
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journey in movies famously Star Wars
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follows this and many other movies
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follow this same kind of story arc that
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happens over and over again where you
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have like a normal person and they go
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through phases with these romantic names
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it's like you're a normal person just
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living your life then there's an
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inciting incident there's the call to an
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adventure you as the main character
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refuse the adventure and there's all of
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these different steps and there are
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definitely times and I've been watching
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a movie where I realize like oh this is
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the hero's journey I know the beats that
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this story is going to take but if a
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movie does that well it doesn't really
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matter because you know human brains are
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such as they are so that they are
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structured to enjoy certain kinds of
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stories and that's fine it's not like
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everything has to be totally different
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because if you just explode in every
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possible direction that branching tree
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doesn't have interesting stories along
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simple way all right there needs to be
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some kind of conflict some kind of
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resolution if you are writing a good
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story you are reincorporating earlier
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elements there's all of these very many
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things and I feel like maybe it started
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with the matrix as the first mainstream
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version of this but I do think in the
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modern world this story that you are in
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a simulated world is a kind of new
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fundamental story in the modern age and
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I feel like this is a story that you're
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going to see a million variations on in
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lots of different ways and what matters
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is was this variation done well it's not
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like oh here we go it's a simulation
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again you could go oh here we go it's a
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hero's journey again like I've seen this
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a thousand times like oh I bet that
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meant or introducing you to the new
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world is going to die in about the
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middle of act 2 right as like yeah this
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happens all the time because that's how
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these stories work and it's fine yeah so
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that's my medic commentary on it like
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there's one black mirror story but I'm
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okay with that and our black mirror
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episodes enjoyable I'm gonna say they're
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not really enjoyable yeah but it was it
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was a good episode but I feel like this
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one got a little bit shaky
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on the one black mirror story so I liked
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it it was effective in making me feel
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anxiety throughout the duration of
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watching which I feel like is what black
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mirror is going for was it their best
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the world is a simulation story not by a
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lot but I was glad to watch it like I
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felt like it was time well spent but
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there there are a few things that I feel
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like detracted from this episode cool
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okay so could do a brief set up and
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guess what your main problem is so okay
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the setup for this episode of black
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mirror is that it's the near future as
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all of these episodes are and there is a
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game company that's making a new version
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of their fancy multiplayer online
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and at this company the chief technical
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officer a very fat Matt Damon who's