0:00:00did you buy an iMac Pro why do you ask
0:00:03like I just want to know I did buy an
0:00:05iMac Pro hey isn't it right now no I'm
0:00:08not
0:00:09oh I'm not using it right now do you
0:00:11have it I do have it okay it's a
0:00:14complicated story Mike have you ever
0:00:17used it I can't that way you would put
0:00:20it cuz I assume you're at home right now
0:00:23I mean you never know where I am when
0:00:25I'm recording like I never really know
0:00:27where you are that is true I am often
0:00:30surprised wherever you are we have a
0:00:32topic that will lead into this in some
0:00:35sense but now I do have an iMac Pro I
0:00:37have used the iMac Pro I am in London
0:00:41recording with you but I am not
0:00:44currently using that I Mac Pro so it is
0:00:47it is elsewhere at this moment do you
0:00:49like pretty great okay pretty great okay
0:00:53it is nice to have a computer that's
0:00:57super fast and it's also nice too
0:01:02because when we were in that valley of
0:01:04darkness with Apple for a while I had
0:01:06this feeling of like Oh Apple let me
0:01:08just throw some money at you so I can
0:01:10get a faster computer like just you name
0:01:12a number and I'll write you a check
0:01:14Apple I just need a faster computer and
0:01:15it is nice that now with the iMac Pro in
0:01:19a way Apple has called the bluff unlike
0:01:21just write a check because it's like
0:01:22Apple can ask for a check that I am not
0:01:25willing to write you know it's it's
0:01:27really nice that there exists a computer
0:01:29where you have to make decisions about
0:01:31like what is it that you actually want
0:01:33out of this machine because it means
0:01:35that the theoretical maximum computing
0:01:38threshold is beyond you it's not where
0:01:42you currently are right now like I
0:01:44really hated that feeling of I have the
0:01:47fastest computer there's no faster
0:01:48computer that I can possibly buy and
0:01:50it's not fast enough so yeah my pro is
0:01:53is very fast there are some crazy
0:01:56configurations out there that make it
0:01:58super expensive I did not go for the
0:02:01super crazy expensive
0:02:03I might pro configurations but I got a
0:02:06good one and it is very impressive I
0:02:10really like it and of course
0:02:13when you get a new computer how do you
0:02:15test it out well you gotta load up a
0:02:18game and see how the game plays and so
0:02:20of course as soon as the computer was
0:02:23set up the very first thing that I put
0:02:26on it was American Truck Simulator so I
0:02:29could get a real sense of how was how
0:02:31did it run did it run good
0:02:33it was beautiful Mike oh yeah this it
0:02:36was absolutely beautiful so I was just
0:02:38thinking about like what do you what do
0:02:40you use it for I like what what is your
0:02:42use for such a powerful machine and I
0:02:44was gonna make a joke about like what
0:02:47are you some kind of pro video producer
0:02:49having completely forgot that you make
0:02:51youtube videos was like what do you need
0:02:55it for you just edit podcasts what are
0:02:58you and you don't even do all the
0:02:59editing though what do you need it for
0:03:01seriously I was gonna make a joke about
0:03:04you being mkbhd or something making
0:03:06YouTube videos turns out you do make
0:03:09youtube videos so I understand what you
0:03:11might want it because I assign oh that
0:03:13like a lot of the stuff that you're
0:03:15doing video you can always throw more
0:03:17power at it right and I I would assume
0:03:19that's why one of the reasons you bought
0:03:21the machine was because it can just make
0:03:23your video process a lot nicer because
0:03:25it turns out you do make those YouTube
0:03:26videos yeah I do I do make youtube
0:03:29videos there are a number of it's easy
0:03:31it's easy to forget I mean there are so
0:03:33many things that I do Mike yeah yeah my
0:03:36professional biography is long very long
0:03:38includes very many full of projects of
0:03:41secret and public nature yeah many
0:03:44things but faster computer is great and
0:03:48with YouTube videos and with lots of
0:03:50other stuff the the increased power
0:03:52makes a real difference even for things
0:03:55just like if I'm making the the YouTube
0:03:58videos for podcasts that are being
0:04:00uploaded like you're uploading a two and
0:04:02a half hour video like exporting that
0:04:05kind of thing takes a long time it takes
0:04:06a very long time
0:04:07I am always surprised at one how long it
0:04:11is and to how big the files are when
0:04:13it's just like a static image and two
0:04:16hours of audio it's like oh here's here
0:04:20is a nine gigabyte file oh uh final cut
0:04:24what are you doing but I guess yeah
0:04:25that's it is what is what
0:04:27it is right yeah it is it is what it is
0:04:30but I've got to say it's it's really
0:04:33it's really impressive machine and it
0:04:35does for an American Truck Simulator
0:04:36pretty great on there I put on a little
0:04:39steam overlay to see how many frames per
0:04:41second I was getting and it was very
0:04:42impressive but on a on a more practical
0:04:44level I loaded up one of the one of the
0:04:48files I've made reference to a few times
0:04:50on the show like these multi terabyte
0:04:51Final Cut Pro projects that I have and
0:04:56the thing that I wanted to so Final Cut
0:04:58has this feature where it does
0:05:00background rendering when you open up a
0:05:02project and that is always a thing that
0:05:05takes absolutely forever but Final Cut
0:05:08has been updated to take advantage of
0:05:10multi-core machines and so I uploaded
0:05:13the biggest final cut project I could
0:05:15find on my computer and I just wanted to
0:05:17see how it handled it and it was just
0:05:20astounding to see these multiple cores
0:05:23just tear through the background
0:05:25rendering like it was nothing
0:05:27whoa this is this is really impressive
0:05:31and it is one of these cases where the
0:05:33machine makes you very aware of what
0:05:36programs take advantage of multiple
0:05:39cores and what programs do not take
0:05:41advantage of multiple cores because the
0:05:43things that have been written to take
0:05:44advantage of multiple cores it's just
0:05:47it's such an incredible increase in
0:05:49speed that it's it's really just
0:05:52fantastic so I love the machine it is
0:05:55great I'm glad that Apple has made a
0:05:57like a real top-end computer again so
0:06:00I'm I'm really pleased with it and it
0:06:02comes in space grey mm-hmm it looks
0:06:04great looks looks great no more stupid
0:06:07aluminum well he's still aluminum or
0:06:10aluminium yeah yeah for that the
0:06:12aluminum color wash I can't believe I
0:06:14said that it's like you spend too much
0:06:17time podcasting Americans yeah I presume
0:06:24that you are not going to get one of the
0:06:26iMac pros I don't need it I don't I
0:06:28don't need it and I don't particularly
0:06:30want it it's more computer than I
0:06:34require for what I'm doing it would make
0:06:37some things quicker but honestly I don't
0:06:39do a lot
0:06:40that stuff very often like noise removal
0:06:44and they're like some of the most
0:06:46intensive tasks that you can do in audio
0:06:47editing is like doing something to
0:06:49improve the quality of the audio but by
0:06:52and large the majority of people that I
0:06:54record with are in stable environments
0:06:57that don't really require a lot of work
0:06:59to be done to them so honestly I'm good
0:07:03and all of my wait time my workflow is
0:07:06pretty optimized at this point so that
0:07:08if I'm waiting for something to export
0:07:10I'm doing something else I cannot
0:07:12twiddling my thumb's I've got um you
0:07:15know I published so many podcasts now
0:07:17that I have my routine and I'm never
0:07:21sitting I'm waiting for my iMac to do
0:07:23something yeah so the iMac Pro doesn't
0:07:26make sense to me I am personally holding
0:07:29out to see whatever the Mac Pro looks
0:07:31like the the purpose of buying a machine
0:07:36that will last me 10 years if the Mac
0:07:39Pro is as modular as I hope it's going
0:07:42to be that it will truly be able to
0:07:44replace and upgrade parts over a long
0:07:46period of time if that seems like that
0:07:48is a possibility that maybe the next
0:07:50machine that I buy
0:07:52I'm just less interested in exciting
0:07:56Mac's now right like Mike of like five
0:07:59years ago probably would have bought the
0:08:01iMac Pro because it's the newest and
0:08:03most exciting Mac I don't really have
0:08:05that feeling anymore it's you know
0:08:07obviously the iOS is where my excitement
0:08:09is so I am keen to own a machine that I
0:08:13can upgrade over a long period of time
0:08:17for a smaller amount of money than
0:08:19buying a new computer every three years
0:08:21to try and keep up with the latest and
0:08:23greatest so that that's kind of where my
0:08:25attention is a little bit more now as
0:08:27exceeding what the Mac Pro looks like
0:08:29but I have no I have no desire need to
0:08:33do anything about my Mac setup right now
0:08:37because I have an iMac 5k which I've had
0:08:39for like maybe I eighteen months or
0:08:41something like that and it feels as fast
0:08:45to me as today I bought it like I have
0:08:46no problem with this machine this
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0:10:48make your next website okay Mike so you
0:10:52want to know where the I might pro is
0:10:54and this this gets us this gets us
0:10:57straight to the heart of the first topic
0:11:00that I wanted to talk about I'm kind of
0:11:02chose I wanted to give a little bit of
0:11:05an update on the year
0:11:07of order and how that's going you need
0:11:10to put more I feel like I need to add a
0:11:12sound effect every time you say it like
0:11:15no clack or like you know like modulate
0:11:19the voice a little bit just leave it
0:11:21just like I've no need for that I think
0:11:24I think people can hear like the capital
0:11:26o in order I think that I think that
0:11:28comes across they can hear that in their
0:11:29mouth there's no need for it of course
0:11:31there's no need for it
0:11:33you know yeah so so I haven't I have an
0:11:39idea with the show this year to check in
0:11:43a little bit more regularly about what's
0:11:45going on with the year of order and that
0:11:48partly because I was really aware last
0:11:50year that we didn't touch in very often
0:11:53on what was going with the year of
0:11:54redirection slash chaos and that was
0:11:58partly because a lot of the things that
0:11:59were going on there it didn't make sense
0:12:00to talk about on the podcast chaos I
0:12:02mean how do you check in on chaos yeah
0:12:04and that was the other thing it was
0:12:06chaos it would have been very hard at
0:12:08any particular point to have a
0:12:10meaningful conversation about what was
0:12:12going on during that because there's
0:12:13like it just was just less structured
0:12:15but the year of order that lends itself
0:12:17to that yeah I think we spent more time
0:12:19talking about my year theme right
0:12:21because yeah there was stuff going on
0:12:24like hiring people yeah it made more
0:12:26sense handing over tasks right there
0:12:28were things that I could kind of point
0:12:30to as a thing to make a difference in my
0:12:32year where yours was a little bit more
0:12:34ad hoc I think yeah it was going yeah
0:12:36without a doubt
0:12:37and so I so so I like the idea of
0:12:40checking in more regularly I also like
0:12:41the idea that to go along with the theme
0:12:43itself knowing that we'll check in
0:12:45regularly on the podcast is a kind of
0:12:47structure and structures belong in the
0:12:49year of order would you say a structure
0:12:52is kind of like a schedule it's kind of
0:12:55like a schedule but schedules are a
0:12:58different sort of thing Mike I don't
0:12:59like schedule is like structure
0:13:01structure I like shed structure teen
0:13:04these are good things
0:13:06routine schedules deadlines know thumbs
0:13:11down routine yes it's a highly different
0:13:14like I like jus dates no deadlines
0:13:19yeah it's subtle you know there's like
0:13:22it's like a subtle difference of flavor
0:13:24but it's there you know and it when
0:13:25you're really highly attuned to these
0:13:27sorts of things so so here's an idea for
0:13:30this this first check-in which is I have
0:13:35I have this real feeling like the year
0:13:36of order is going to be a very big
0:13:39intensive long project because there's a
0:13:41lot of stuff that I want to do and I'm
0:13:44already sort of breaking it down and the
0:13:47first the first part of this that I
0:13:51realized works out really well in in the
0:13:53beginning of the year for a bunch of
0:13:56things is the idea of setting up my
0:14:01physical space that there's a lot when I
0:14:06think about like how do I work what are
0:14:08the environments in which I work that
0:14:10over the last year again we're sort of
0:14:12thrown into chaos for a variety of
0:14:14reasons and because of because of a
0:14:21bunch of my thoughts about like the ways
0:14:22people work or how people can work
0:14:24effectively I really think that the
0:14:27environment in which you work is this
0:14:30real foundation upon which everything
0:14:35else rests and so here I mean the
0:14:37physical environment that you are in so
0:14:41I've decided that this is as the winter
0:14:44season draws to a close this is my my
0:14:47focus like before winter ends I want to
0:14:50have redone the physical spaces in which
0:14:54I work so this is this is like project
0:14:57one for the year of order and it happens
0:15:00to work out well that this is the first
0:15:01thing that I want to do because while
0:15:02ultimately I want to be really back into
0:15:05a like a solid working routine there's
0:15:08still some stuff in my life right now
0:15:10that's like leftover from the previous
0:15:12year of redirects and slash chaos that's
0:15:14going to be with me for a while so it's
0:15:16like I can't start on the really heavy
0:15:18routine stuff just yet so I'm going to
0:15:20be working on this foundational part as
0:15:23at the beginning so which physical space
0:15:26are we talking which of your many
0:15:28offices are we talking about here
0:15:32or all of them okay Mike I have a
0:15:34diagram for you I'm gonna sell you a
0:15:36little diagram take a look at okay okay
0:15:38oh my this is very messy yeah just to be
0:15:44clear and I'm happy to put this in the
0:15:47show notes just yesterday I was having a
0:15:51multiple flights in the same day day
0:15:54which is always great what many more
0:15:57travel racking up those airline miles
0:15:58you know keep my golden ticket just as
0:16:07fun so while I was on the flight I was
0:16:09trying to I was trying to use that time
0:16:11well cuz like airplane timers is a
0:16:13strange time and one of the things that
0:16:16I do find is useful to do with that time
0:16:19is thinking about stuff on a like a
0:16:21higher level or just brainstorming or
0:16:24doing those sorts of things so what I
0:16:26did was I brought my iPad with me on the
0:16:28trip and opened up good old good notes
0:16:30and what I decided to do was a thing
0:16:34that I had mentioned I think related to
0:16:36one of the ask cortex questions last
0:16:37time which was I started to draw out
0:16:42what are the different devices in my
0:16:44life and what do I want to use them for
0:16:47and then this this ended up becoming
0:16:49much more along the ideas of okay how am
0:16:53I going to set up the physical spaces in
0:16:57my life so there's there's two things in
0:17:00this in this very messy diagram but I
0:17:02have the idea of there are some devices
0:17:06so it's like I have my iPhone I have the
0:17:10new iMac Pro I have a laptop I have
0:17:13iPads like I have machines like what are
0:17:16what are each of these machines for and
0:17:18then also trying to overlap that with
0:17:21the idea of I have different physical
0:17:25spaces in which I can be which devices
0:17:28belong where right which devices go
0:17:32where so the the main thing here is I
0:17:36feel like there's three spaces I have a
0:17:39home office which is where I am right
0:17:42now in my apartment I have the glass
0:17:45cube
0:17:46that we have discussed previously which
0:17:48is in a separate building from where I
0:17:50am now and then I think of it doesn't
0:17:54quite make sense maybe to people but I
0:17:56do think of my phone as a kind of
0:18:01omnipresent space that that this is a
0:18:04device and a space that is just with me
0:18:07all of the time wherever I am so it has
0:18:10it has like overlap with other areas so
0:18:13this is this is the division like
0:18:15thinking about how is my phone going to
0:18:17work and then thinking about what is
0:18:20going to happen in my home office what
0:18:23is going to happen in the glass cube and
0:18:26then also in the in and because I was on
0:18:29a plane thinking about since my travel
0:18:32does not seem to be decreasing over the
0:18:34next year thinking a little bit about
0:18:37what does my mobile working space look
0:18:41like and trying to draw out what devices
0:18:44do what where how does this diagram look
0:18:48to you Mike I have a lot of questions
0:18:49about this diagram okay why don't you
0:18:52start with some questions because
0:18:54otherwise I will just talk forever in a
0:18:56vague way so let me know what is
0:18:58confusing to you about this diagram yeah
0:19:00I want to go down from the top so we
0:19:02have the phone morning and afternoon are
0:19:05they the same device just wanted to stop
0:19:07a check they paid to different devices
0:19:08yes I have one phone one phone using my
0:19:11iPhone okay but I made I made a little
0:19:15division about the device is different
0:19:17in the morning and it's different in the
0:19:20afternoon about what what should it do
0:19:23or what should I be doing right device
0:19:25at these times but there isn't anything
0:19:27that you're doing to really restrict
0:19:29what the device does right because you
0:19:31kind of can't do that this is more of a
0:19:33mental thing there's two parts here it
0:19:35is a bit of a mental thing because
0:19:37Apple's notification system is terrible
0:19:40and is not very good compared to the
0:19:43competition but there is a physical
0:19:44thing that is happening that I'm still
0:19:46using the system we've discussed before
0:19:47where I have two different Apple watches
0:19:49and this is my way that's what the s2
0:19:52and the s3 is that's that's Mike that
0:19:54was my next question
0:19:55yeah as Apple watch series two and apple
0:19:57watch series three okay
0:19:59correct that you can you can with two
0:20:01watches kind of fake door trick the
0:20:06iPhone into having different sorts of
0:20:08behaviors because you can turn on
0:20:09different notifications for different
0:20:11applications on each watch independently
0:20:14right right that that's correct so the
0:20:16idea is in the morning with my series to
0:20:20watch the only kinds of notifications
0:20:22that we'll get through our notifications
0:20:24from myself to myself so these are
0:20:29things like I have started a timer and I
0:20:31want a notification about when that
0:20:32timer ends or if there's a calendar
0:20:35event that I put on the calendar
0:20:36previously that I will have forgotten
0:20:37about in that morning or things like
0:20:40alerts from task managers right those
0:20:42are the only sorts of things that should
0:20:45get through the device through my phone
0:20:49in the morning and the only way I can do
0:20:51it is to say that the phone is totally
0:20:54silent the phone does no notifications
0:20:56but the series to watch is configured to
0:20:59just allow notifications from those
0:21:03three classes of device okay and then I
0:21:07can see the afternoon is when you allow
0:21:10people to contact you you've got
0:21:12iMessage and slack but still no email
0:21:16outgoing email only is yeah I get that I
0:21:19get that I underst I'm een sure I
0:21:21couldn't work on would never work that
0:21:23way but I know that you have in the past
0:21:24so I understand I get that I can't get
0:21:26what's going on here your business I
0:21:28think many people's businesses would
0:21:30totally fall apart without more frequent
0:21:32contact with email yeah but but yeah
0:21:34with for me by far and away the two
0:21:37biggest things that disrupt my life but
0:21:40that I still do need to pay attention to
0:21:42are iMessage and slack and and those are
0:21:45the things where it's like man if I get
0:21:47a like a slack message in the morning it
0:21:49can really derail the day where I start
0:21:51thinking about a thing that doesn't
0:21:53really need to be thought about now but
0:21:55so in the afternoon when I swap watches
0:21:59then the messages from my message and
0:22:02slack can get through and it is just it
0:22:05is simply I did try for a little while
0:22:08to do not even have slack on my phone
0:22:10but it it's that cross
0:22:12a line of like the convenience of having
0:22:16all of my business related messaging on
0:22:19the phone is just too great to remove it
0:22:22from the phone because removing it from
0:22:24the phone then turns me into an
0:22:26incredible bottleneck where lots of
0:22:30things that just require my approval or
0:22:33like one one sentence of input like then
0:22:35this suddenly becomes a multi-day
0:22:37process about like when have I opened up
0:22:39slack on my computer so I I have it as
0:22:42this case it's like in the afternoons
0:22:44that's what I'm gonna get notifications
0:22:46from my message and from slack and I'm
0:22:48managing that by swapping out the
0:22:50watch's slack is too important like you
0:22:53make it that right like you know I have
0:22:56I know you have we spoke about it in the
0:22:57past right you end up eventually because
0:22:59you think it's great right like it's
0:23:01great it's a great system you end up
0:23:02putting too much stuff into it and
0:23:04therefore you make it too important and
0:23:05you've just moved the stuff it's still
0:23:07better than email but it's it still just
0:23:10becomes a big bucket of responsibilities
0:23:14yeah I definitely still have cooked very
0:23:16conflicted feelings about slack in a way
0:23:18that I didn't when I first started it
0:23:19but the big difference there is like for
0:23:22for my company slack and the slacks of
0:23:25other companies that I'm involved with
0:23:26they are fundamentally there's still
0:23:30invitation-only systems so unlike email
0:23:34where anybody in the whole world sending
0:23:37messages and like stuff can come in from
0:23:39all over the place
0:23:40sure slack is still kind of an
0:23:43overwhelming mess but at least it has a
0:23:45clearly defined perimeter it's like
0:23:48people you know you want to hear from
0:23:50before you've heard from them exactly
0:23:52yeah that that's that's what's happening
0:23:54there and it is also again like a
0:23:56limited a more limited section of people
0:23:59I have frequent work contact with as
0:24:01well whereas as email is just it's just
0:24:04too expansive and so yeah as as you can
0:24:07see from my note there I do have it set
0:24:09up on my phone I have a special email
0:24:11account that just allows me to send
0:24:13messages out if for some reason I need
0:24:15to send a message from my phone
0:24:16it's a gmail account that I set up and
0:24:18all that gmail account has is a single
0:24:20rule that all messages it receives it
0:24:24forwards on to my real
0:24:26lecounte so I can deal with them at like
0:24:28a right my desktop computer but I can
0:24:30still send a message from an email
0:24:33address that's like gray is just using
0:24:35his phone and won't actually be able to
0:24:38reply from this email address at
0:24:40gmail.com right like that's the answer
0:24:42and I'm assuming that there is a very
0:24:45limited amount of people that get email
0:24:46from that account just by the nature of
0:24:48its the way it's set up right I use it
0:24:52more than you might think but it's still
0:24:53not a lot I mean I imagine you using it
0:24:56a lot but I can't imagine it is a very
0:24:58large group of people because yeah you
0:25:01don't know if you don't see what's
0:25:02coming in you don't know why you would
0:25:04need to contact someone so it's just
0:25:05something that pops into your head I
0:25:06would assume most of the time yeah what
0:25:08usually happens is exactly that a thing
0:25:10that pops into my head that I want to
0:25:12tell a person who is not in one of the
0:25:16slacks that I manage right like that's
0:25:18that's usually the the use case there
0:25:20and sounds like okay now I need to send
0:25:21an outgoing message to a person that I
0:25:23would not invite into the gray company
0:25:26slack because it doesn't make any sense
0:25:27because they're not actually involved in
0:25:29the company but I still need to send
0:25:30them a message so that's that's the way
0:25:32that works and and like I said what I
0:25:34what I'm trying to manage here is this
0:25:36idea that the phone is with me all the
0:25:39time yeah and so it is a kind of
0:25:42environment and what I'm really trying
0:25:44to optimize for here is the phone should
0:25:48be as minimally disruptive as possible
0:25:51and I have but part of all I was on fire
0:25:55gray industries corporate retreat for
0:25:57one I was doing some of the pre work for
0:25:59this I really went through my phone
0:26:01again and just uninstalled absolutely
0:26:04everything I could think of that wasn't
0:26:07totally vital no interesting I feel like
0:26:10I feel like I want to see that that's
0:26:14can I find it so interesting just how
0:26:19many apps are still on my phone when
0:26:23this comes up with people I find it
0:26:24interesting that it's like if we do
0:26:25phone comparisons I'm often like the
0:26:27weird I'm like a weird Luddite with the
0:26:30way I used my phone where it seems like
0:26:32it's so limited but then at the same
0:26:34time there's still something like a
0:26:35hundred apps on my phone I just think
0:26:38it's an interesting
0:26:40it's like an interesting commentary on
0:26:42modern life how vital and important this
0:26:44piece of technology is and that even
0:26:47what most people would regard as crazy
0:26:48bear minimal use is still still covers
0:26:52an incredible range of possible
0:26:55activities so I just I just find that
0:26:57it's like an interesting commentary on
0:26:59the modern world the largest section of
0:27:02this diagram is contained within the
0:27:08glass cube so I am naturally assuming
0:27:10that you're out of home office is where
0:27:12you're spending the majority of your
0:27:14work time now okay Mike let's get into
0:27:17this okay glass cube one of the things
0:27:21that I decided to do as part of the year
0:27:23of order was I have recently upgraded my
0:27:28glass cube so I've gotten a a bigger
0:27:31glass cube it's still the way to fix it
0:27:33kidnapped it's still it's still a glass
0:27:37cube it's still weird it still feels
0:27:39somehow like I'm working at Facebook
0:27:41during the day except with glass
0:27:44barriers it's very strange but I got a
0:27:48bigger space because of a bunch of
0:27:50things that I thought I want to to do
0:27:52with this space and I was trying to
0:27:54think very intentionally about like okay
0:27:55what am I gonna do here and what I have
0:27:59decided is that the the thing that makes
0:28:03the most sense is that the glass cube is
0:28:06is going to be it's going to be like a
0:28:11forge of creation that this is where the
0:28:14kind of work that I do in this space is
0:28:17going to be the creative work in in one
0:28:21way or another so there's a bunch of
0:28:23projects that prolate to this but one of
0:28:26the main things that I've done is I have
0:28:29taken one of my older computers and I
0:28:32have turned it into a dedicated writing
0:28:36station so the reason I got a bigger
0:28:38glass cube is because I wanted to fit
0:28:40not one but two desks into the space
0:28:44because one of those desks is going to
0:28:48be or I should say is because it's
0:28:50already set up now it
0:28:51is a standing desk that has a computer
0:28:55that is only used for writing and I've
0:28:59set it up sort of like the same idea
0:29:01with the phone like I want to pare this
0:29:02down to the minimum number of things
0:29:05required that writing computer is only
0:29:09going to have the three or four apps on
0:29:13it that I need to actually do the
0:29:16writing and it's gone so far as like the
0:29:18account that I log in on that computer
0:29:20it's not logged into iCloud I've set up
0:29:23things that I can do everything through
0:29:24Dropbox or separate thinking services so
0:29:27it's like that account has nothing on it
0:29:30really except Evernote and Ulysses as
0:29:34the two main programs that I need it's
0:29:37like here's research notes that I have
0:29:39and then here's the main program that I
0:29:41use for writing and so when I turn that
0:29:43thing on it's like these are the only
0:29:45apps that are here there's nothing else
0:29:47for you when you're standing at this
0:29:49desk this is what you're going to do end
0:29:52of story
0:29:53so that's that's part one of the glass
0:29:55cube what is that computer that computer
0:29:58is a 15-inch MacBook Pro that I've
0:30:02connected to some external monitors so
0:30:06that it's set up because it is what do
0:30:10you mean of course it is did you think
0:30:13it was going to be an iPad is that what
0:30:15you were asking well it was forever
0:30:16before and I don't know just like as a
0:30:19machine that is single purpose with just
0:30:22a couple of applications on that you can
0:30:25exact an external keyboard to I don't
0:30:27know whatever man whatever floats your
0:30:29boat so I'll tell I'll tell you
0:30:31something this is the sort of gets to a
0:30:32little bit of the things that are later
0:30:34on but one of the one of the like the
0:30:37meta themes of the year of order when I
0:30:38was trying to think about like setting
0:30:39up these physical spaces is it's kind of
0:30:44a funny thing that happened but a little
0:30:46while ago I bought myself a new backpack
0:30:47I was like wow look at this look at this
0:30:49great backpack this thing is fantastic
0:30:51and my backpack that I was using
0:30:55previously was a little rundown I
0:30:57thought yeah this needs a replacement
0:30:58let me get a new one I need to save
0:31:00future Mike okay
0:31:02please tell me the name of the backpack
0:31:04oh I don't know you can't just say like
0:31:07I've got an amazing backpack and then
0:31:08not then like you know me I'm just
0:31:11wondering filming the questions right
0:31:14like what's the backpack is it a link to
0:31:16the backpack I need to see the backpack
0:31:19it must have a name on it it must it
0:31:22must be a label something somewhere I've
0:31:25got it I've got it right here
0:31:28just look like there's a label I mean
0:31:31there's got to be something where did
0:31:35you get the backpack I don't know why
0:31:38would I remember where I got it did you
0:31:40buy it in a physical say like if did you
0:31:42buy I bought it online it looks like
0:31:45there's a pede that there's a PD written
0:31:48on it
0:31:49no it doesn't help me does it help if I
0:31:53say it's maybe the best backpack in the
0:31:55world I don't know but it's cool
0:31:58it has like a great you can hear it
0:32:01there's like these fancy metal clasps
0:32:03you can change the interior volume
0:32:06around it's fantastic whatever you know
0:32:08it's not whatever if you bought it on
0:32:10Amazon you can get the information no I
0:32:13didn't buy it on Amazon I bought it
0:32:15directly from the website we'll be
0:32:17knocking you mean you can open your
0:32:18email app and just type backpack into
0:32:20the search field I'll find it for you
0:32:23later Mike now you want though all right
0:32:26okay I just need this to be shown as
0:32:28testament to the fact that I tried I'm
0:32:31searching backpack I've got too many
0:32:35emails with the word backpack no but you
0:32:41know like Amazon is showing yeah there's
0:32:44nothing I type in backpack and I've got
0:32:46like a hundred emails here and I don't
0:32:48see anything that's obviously the
0:32:49receipt from the company do you think
0:32:51people will ask you gray about the
0:32:53backpack right I was going through ausco
0:32:55text questions today and there was
0:32:58somebody asking about our backpacks
0:33:00based upon like episode three right yeah
0:33:03that's that's what I'm thinking of it
0:33:04because at that point you didn't give
0:33:06the name of your backpack so I'm still
0:33:09getting those questions so you know I
0:33:14just you know I just need people to know
0:33:16that I tried together
0:33:17I found it I found it okay okay it's on
0:33:22the on the interior cover of the
0:33:24backpack by a company called peak design
0:33:27that's what it is okay thanks
0:33:31it's called the everyday backpack okay I
0:33:36got it yeah I think that's that's the he
0:33:38okay good yeah this is really good
0:33:41somehow I knew you were not gonna relax
0:33:43until I could know because I kind when I
0:33:46know my future I know what my future is
0:33:48you know any it was just full of like
0:33:51your future is fielding these questions
0:33:53yeah for forever yeah now I got it it
0:33:58does look like a really nice bag
0:33:59actually oh man yeah just a new bag I
0:34:02don't need another one but this looks
0:34:04like a really nice bag it is a really
0:34:06great bag I bought a Tom bin sign apps
0:34:09backpack by the way just so people don't
0:34:11ask what backpack I bought okay yeah
0:34:13there you go yeah it's it looks like it
0:34:17is ostensibly designed for cameras
0:34:19camera yeah exactly like camera
0:34:20professionals and that is like when I
0:34:23bought my original backpack and I made
0:34:24that comment about how I was looking
0:34:26into like what do runners use because I
0:34:28was trying to find the lightest backpack
0:34:29possible and I felt like Oh runners will
0:34:31use super light backpacks then I found
0:34:33what I really liked whose the same thing
0:34:34with this I was trying to think about
0:34:35equipment and I said surely there must
0:34:38be backpacks that like wedding
0:34:40photographers would use like what it
0:34:42what is the professional solution to
0:34:44this and that's how I stumbled upon this
0:34:45this bag yeah but so it is great however
0:34:49I bring all of this up because it was an
0:34:54interesting thing to realize that I got
0:34:55this backpack and I have hardly used it
0:34:59in the past several months of having it
0:35:03because I realize it's like wait a
0:35:07minute I didn't I didn't buy this
0:35:12backpack for me I bought this backpack
0:35:16for the me I used to be I used to be the
0:35:20person who spent all day wandering
0:35:23around the city in different mobile
0:35:25locations and working very mobile II
0:35:27like I haven't been that guy in a long
0:35:30time
0:35:31and I've recognized that some of my
0:35:32habits have changed where I'm just much
0:35:36more in a smaller number of more
0:35:38permanent locations and so it was making
0:35:42me think very deliberately about my
0:35:43workspace and so one of the reasons that
0:35:48I did go with a Mac for my writing
0:35:51station is I was thinking about like I
0:35:53don't need to optimize this space for
0:35:58mobility they don't need to optimize
0:36:01this space for the situation where I'm
0:36:03gonna just grab that iPad I'm on my way
0:36:06out the door and I'm gonna use that one
0:36:07iPad as my writing iPad like I don't
0:36:09need to do that anymore instead what I
0:36:12can do is if you accept that this
0:36:16station is never going to be mobile you
0:36:19can optimize it in a different way and
0:36:21so one of the things that I can do is
0:36:24that laptop is actually powering two of
0:36:28the external 4k monitors from LG and I
0:36:32have them both in the vertical set up
0:36:35because one of the things that I really
0:36:37want to be able to do is see as much of
0:36:40the script as possible and so rotating a
0:36:43monitor to be in the vertical position
0:36:45is a really big bonus like it allows me
0:36:48to see so much more of what I'm working
0:36:50on and a lot of what I like about
0:36:53Ulysses allows you to like rearrange
0:36:55stuff it makes a lot of this way way
0:36:59easier and it just comes down to the
0:37:01case of like okay even if I wanted to
0:37:04use an iPad the biggest iPad they make
0:37:08is not as big as two 4k monitors so I've
0:37:11like I'm just gonna eat this and say I'm
0:37:13building this space to be a permanent
0:37:16space what is the ideal that I would
0:37:18want and that's what I would want two
0:37:21monitors one for script one for research
0:37:23and notes and I can just have them next
0:37:25to each other super big all the time and
0:37:27standing up and then the other desk has
0:37:31an iMac Pro that's where the iMac pro
0:37:33lives it lives on the second desk in the
0:37:35glass cube and this is like heavy
0:37:37project stuff including something called
0:37:39project golem which is just a great name
0:37:41it doesn't really matter what about the
0:37:43names we're good
0:37:44and that's the way you edit and produce
0:37:48stuff so yeah the second half of the
0:37:52cube it it's also like I'm trying to
0:37:54make spaces different so it's like the
0:37:56writing space is a standing up space
0:37:58because I always pace around anyway and
0:38:00then the I'm Mac Pro is a sitting down
0:38:03space in the same cube and yeah what
0:38:06what I've thinking of with this is again
0:38:10work that falls in some category of
0:38:15creative in a way so what I'm trying not
0:38:18to do there is administrative tasks of
0:38:21any kind what I'm trying to do is that
0:38:24queso like the podcast editing I would
0:38:26say is a kind of creative space that
0:38:27also benefits greatly from having the
0:38:31iMac Pro like it makes that much easier
0:38:33doing the vlog editing is the same kind
0:38:35of thing it's like this is creative work
0:38:37it also benefits from having a much more
0:38:39powerful computer because it's in the
0:38:43same physical location as the writing I
0:38:45do like to separate out when am i doing
0:38:49research for script versus when am I
0:38:51actually writing the script I try not to
0:38:53do both of those things at the same time
0:38:55so that I'm Mac Pro is also for research
0:38:58and then yes I don't want to talk about
0:39:01what the details of it are but I do have
0:39:04a new project this year that's that is
0:39:07sort of sort of thematically related to
0:39:11the year of order but I'm just gonna
0:39:13call it project Gollum for right now and
0:39:15we will say that it definitely requires
0:39:18a fast powerful computer for project
0:39:23Gollum so that is a thing that is
0:39:25underway that is also creative and is
0:39:29going to happen in this space what was
0:39:32that like a little West why am I the
0:39:34worst you just I'm trying to just I'm
0:39:40trying to describe for you my thinking
0:39:42process here about where these different
0:39:44spaces that's very good and then
0:39:46obviously the only you have an outlier
0:39:49right which is the podcast recording
0:39:50because really that should live in the
0:39:52glass cube thematically but from an
0:39:55audio sound space perspective
0:39:57cannot be ever recorded in space yeah
0:40:02this is this is where there's a couple
0:40:03of complex I actually the podcast to me
0:40:07are such a different kind of work they
0:40:09don't they don't feel creative in the
0:40:13same way like creatives not the best
0:40:14word for what I'm doing in the glass
0:40:16cube but it's just the category that's
0:40:17in my mind where's the podcasts are much
0:40:21more like you know they're like going
0:40:23out to a dinner with people you know
0:40:27where it's just intensely draining
0:40:29social work it feels like a very
0:40:31different kind of thing and so there are
0:40:34two good reasons to not have it be in
0:40:36the glass cube it feels to me one like
0:40:38that work is just a very different kind
0:40:40of work from everything else and
0:40:41secondly yes a glass cube and in the
0:40:46middle of like a Facebook style Open
0:40:48Office is an acoustically terrible
0:40:51environment but so one of the one of the
0:40:55other parts of like year of order is
0:40:56thinking a lot about what do I use my
0:40:58home office for and I'm really aware
0:41:00that in the past year my home office has
0:41:03become a kind of mess of ambiguity like
0:41:07what what happens here what sort of work
0:41:09is here what is this space for I've done
0:41:12a really bad job with that
0:41:13and so what I'm in the process of doing
0:41:17is again deciding very intentionally
0:41:20this is a if this is like a permanent
0:41:22space how can you best optimize this
0:41:26space for the kinds of tasks that you
0:41:27want to do in here and so yes I'm
0:41:29turning my home office into two things
0:41:34but the primary one is an audio
0:41:37recording studio so I will do all of the
0:41:41podcasts in my home office and that also
0:41:44means finally doing something like I'm
0:41:46going to be upgrading some of the audio
0:41:48equipment that I use finally even
0:41:51listeners mike has been bothering me
0:41:53about this for so long but but this is
0:41:57this is a great example though again of
0:41:59my current podcast recording setup I
0:42:02mean you know this it's optimized for
0:42:05mobility and flexibility that that's why
0:42:09I choose some of the equipment that I
0:42:10choose
0:42:11like I use the the road USB and team
0:42:13microphone which I totally love and it
0:42:16is a great super flexible microphone but
0:42:19I'm making this decision of okay if
0:42:22you're starting over and if this space
0:42:24is for this one task and all of the
0:42:28equipment in here is never going to move
0:42:31would you choose the equipment that
0:42:33you're currently using and the answer is
0:42:35no I would not choose this microphone
0:42:37under those circumstances so I feel like
0:42:40I have to have a conversation with our
0:42:41good friend Marco Arment about what to
0:42:43get because I am very out of my depth
0:42:46here oh I know what ya think I've
0:42:49already had a conversation with him so
0:42:50you're probably gonna end up exactly
0:42:52exactly what I have
0:42:54okay great do you want give me a preview
0:42:56what do you use mic no it's too much
0:42:58it's that's too much yeah I will put a
0:43:00link in the show notes to Marco Arment
0:43:02guide for podcast microphones because
0:43:06what I use is not good to tell people to
0:43:09use because it kind of gets into that
0:43:12area of you know you end up with small
0:43:15gains for a large cost right right yeah
0:43:18because I've been doing this for eight
0:43:19years and I've built up over time
0:43:22there's pointless to start where I am
0:43:25but yeah it's all included in that in
0:43:27that guide which you'll find in our show
0:43:29notes but that's also part of the like
0:43:33intentionally thinking about the kind of
0:43:35work that I do and recognizing that
0:43:38optimizing for mobility is not sensible
0:43:41and that I am in the same category as
0:43:43you if I obviously I don't do nearly as
0:43:46much audio work as you but I do enough
0:43:49that optimizing for small gains is a
0:43:52sensible thing to do and it's probably a
0:43:55thing I should have done a year ago yeah
0:43:56but like now now I'm just doing it now
0:43:59and the other thing that I'm going to be
0:44:02looking into is acoustic treatments for
0:44:06the room so that getting some of the
0:44:07noise reduction foam and other things
0:44:10put into this office
0:44:12I think this office is fine for that but
0:44:15it's not great and I know that I could
0:44:16make it better and that's again the same
0:44:18kind of thing of like does it make the
0:44:21audio five percent better maybe but
0:44:24I'm going to spend time on that under
0:44:26this umbrella of the year of order but
0:44:29right now my main focus
0:44:31my main focus has been setting up the
0:44:34glass cube and I've gotten the glass
0:44:35cube into what I think of as version 1.0
0:44:38where it's minimally functional but
0:44:41there's much more that I want to do and
0:44:42I'm really aware of like when people try
0:44:46to change it's very easy to try to
0:44:49change everything all at once
0:44:51and then you do everything terribly and
0:44:53I'm taking this like very limited small
0:44:58focus and so that's why I feel like
0:45:01right now I'm focusing on my just my
0:45:02physical space I'm not even trying to
0:45:04touch my routine or my health or any of
0:45:07these other things that I want to do
0:45:08it's like okay just focus on the
0:45:10physical space and then within that
0:45:11right now I am just focusing on the
0:45:15glass cube as the main area and so I'm
0:45:18gonna get that absolutely the way I want
0:45:20it to be it's like and then I will turn
0:45:22my full attention to the home office and
0:45:24what's going to happen is everything is
0:45:27in the home office is is coming out and
0:45:29then I'm going to just deliberately
0:45:31bring things back in or set up the new
0:45:33equipment but so it's like I'm trying to
0:45:35focus on the smallest possible piece
0:45:38each at a time but I can tell you all of
0:45:41my glass office cube neighbors they know
0:45:47who the who the weirdo on the floor is
0:45:48really fast it's like okay what are you
0:45:51doing now two desks hasn't seen that
0:45:53weird
0:45:53it does seem weird as two desks and it's
0:45:55one person but it was also just I had
0:45:59all just I had a lot of boxes coming in
0:46:02and coming in under short periods of
0:46:07time and there was there was a lot of
0:46:08activity going on and there's just a few
0:46:12things that make me like the office
0:46:13weirdo that I don't quite want to go
0:46:15into details much like I can people
0:46:16looking they're like that's that guy's
0:46:18that guy's the weird guy on the floor in
0:46:20that office what's he doing eventually
0:46:22you're gonna have to build that building
0:46:24because you're gonna be kicked out of
0:46:25every office space within the m25 I am
0:46:28aware that some of the stuff that I'm
0:46:29bringing to the glass cube like maybe
0:46:31this is not the final resting home of
0:46:33all of his stuff but I am mentally
0:46:34treating it as though I'm gonna be there
0:46:35for a long time
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0:48:50so that those are like the two main
0:48:52things with the computer that I'm going
0:48:54to be using in my home office again I'm
0:48:57going to deliberately strip everything
0:48:59off of there that is not required for
0:49:02recording a podcast so I'm going to have
0:49:04a machine that the only thing it does is
0:49:08I turn it on and I record podcasts on it
0:49:11and then I save those files and they get
0:49:13synced to the cloud and that machine is
0:49:15used for literally nothing else because
0:49:18if there's one thing I have learned over
0:49:20the years of podcasting it's that audio
0:49:22recording is surprisingly fiddly and
0:49:24stuff just somehow changes even when
0:49:28you're doing other things on the machine
0:49:29that's incredibly frustrating so sorry
0:49:31I'm gonna have a machine that is
0:49:33untouched except for this one purpose
0:49:36and and that is going to be in my home
0:49:40office and all other software that is
0:49:42not necessary on that machine is going
0:49:45to be removed and it's again it's the
0:49:47same thing with like the iMac Pro in the
0:49:50glass cube it's very deliberate removal
0:49:53of all software that is not necessary
0:49:56for the vlog or for editing or for
0:50:01project Gollum like everything is coming
0:50:03off that is not required for those
0:50:04things I really like how you refer to
0:50:06the vlog when you've done what well
0:50:10maybe we can get back to this a little
0:50:12bit later but uh we can say that I'll
0:50:15just say now that on my we love we love
0:50:17recorded time for last year
0:50:20vlog stuff was a surprisingly big chunk
0:50:23of that time so even for me it is still
0:50:25a very active project even though I know
0:50:27to outside it seems like it's crazy
0:50:30right like nothing has happened so
0:50:33that's that still seems very active I
0:50:35have a very small update for the year of
0:50:37adulting one of my two themes I am now
0:50:4130 so I've completed task one which was
0:50:44to have my birthday and I've done that
0:50:46you've made it yeah happy birthday
0:50:48that's so that's that's point one thank
0:50:50you very much and I'm adding something
0:50:52in to the year I do not have a driving
0:50:57license I live in a big city
0:51:03so there are two things to this I tried
0:51:05to learn to drive when I was like 17 and
0:51:08I would spend 45 minutes once a week
0:51:11stuck in traffic which is not the best
0:51:14way to learn how to drive and then also
0:51:16I have I am afforded with fantastic
0:51:19travel in this city the public transport
0:51:22is wonderful but to think about some
0:51:26things that I want to do in my work and
0:51:28personal life over the next few years a
0:51:31car would be a great addition to that
0:51:34and would help facilitate a bunch of
0:51:35things so I am planning to get a driving
0:51:40license by the end of the year like
0:51:42after we get married at some point
0:51:44towards the end of the year I'm gonna
0:51:46take one of those like intensive courses
0:51:47things and get a driving license and get
0:51:49a little car that I intend to bump into
0:51:52some stuff and then I'm gonna have a car
0:51:54on a driving license so that's part of
0:51:56my other thing for my year of adulting
0:51:58that's very exciting I have a friend who
0:52:01she just went through that where she's
0:52:03never never drove and and as an adult
0:52:06got her driver's license you know and
0:52:09when you live in the city your whole
0:52:10life it's you know it's just like people
0:52:12who live in Manhattan all right there's
0:52:14no real need or more pressure to get a
0:52:16driver's license because public
0:52:18transport is fantastic and doubly so in
0:52:21the world of ride-sharing services la
0:52:24yeah it's you know it makes it even even
0:52:27less necessary but that'll be it'll be
0:52:30having an interesting and exciting
0:52:31project for you Mike yep because like
0:52:33one of the things that I want to do is
0:52:35eventually probably over in the next
0:52:36couple of years I want to get an office
0:52:38space outside of my home what we're
0:52:43where I am like in the kind of the area
0:52:45that I'm in I don't know where there
0:52:48would be any office spaces but I reckon
0:52:50that they would probably be like a
0:52:5110-minute Drive from home right and it
0:52:54would just be easier if I have my own
0:52:55car to deal with that mm-hmm right then
0:52:58then because I want to live I get I can
0:53:01easily imagine that as the situation for
0:53:03where you are yeah if you are going to
0:53:05have an office almost certainly it's
0:53:08going to be way easier to drive to that
0:53:10office because the other thing is like
0:53:12there are some places close to me where
0:53:14I could get a space but they're not
0:53:16gonna be ideal
0:53:17and I open myself up to many more
0:53:21opportunities if I have a car because I
0:53:24can then you know the catchment area for
0:53:28my studio space can grow significantly
0:53:30if my mobility is increased so that's
0:53:34kind of one that's one of the things I'm
0:53:36thinking of so this is that that is like
0:53:39a multi-year project which doesn't need
0:53:42to start but before I can do it I need
0:53:45to get I need to get a driving license
0:53:47to get a car yeah and the year of
0:53:49adulting seems like the perfect year to
0:53:51have that as a target mm-hmm
0:53:53we have a car parking space in our
0:53:55building that we own it just came with
0:53:58our apartment and it's in like an
0:54:01underground carpark type situation and I
0:54:04have no idea what the feasibility would
0:54:06be to try and convince the owners of the
0:54:07building to put a plug socket in there
0:54:09for me but I'm thinking it because like
0:54:11I've never owned a car why don't I just
0:54:14get an electric car right and just never
0:54:16owned a petrol car but if you're going
0:54:20to do that I would highly recommend
0:54:23making that technological leap my plan
0:54:26is to try and see if we can convince
0:54:28someone to allow us to get that put in
0:54:30because I just feel like if I'm gonna be
0:54:34buying a car in 2018 why even bother
0:54:37with petrol yeah I would agree with you
0:54:39100% so I mean I'm not we would you know
0:54:42there's like a pretty decent secondhand
0:54:44market for like Nissan Leafs and stuff
0:54:47like that right that we would probably
0:54:49get something like that but you know I
0:54:51have my mind that maybe in five years I
0:54:53buy a Tesla or something you know like
0:54:55when I can actually buy a real car
0:54:57because I'm not just gonna bump it into
0:54:58everything but I just figure why if it's
0:55:02possible for me to just go straight to
0:55:04electric because that's clearly the
0:55:05future why don't I just start with
0:55:08electric so that's like another long I'm
0:55:11sure very arduous project then I think
0:55:14the idea would probably take great
0:55:16enjoyment out of trying to win as
0:55:18something that she would enjoy great
0:55:20layers like a project for her to try and
0:55:24convince the building owners to allow us
0:55:26to put a plug in the car park we'll see
0:55:28how that one goes when you get your
0:55:30license you know
0:55:31you're legally required to go on at
0:55:33least one road trip oh yeah yeah this is
0:55:36like the whole thing we were talking
0:55:38about it yesterday there's like oh we
0:55:39can go on down to the coast and it's
0:55:41like yeah I think of all the places we
0:55:43can go we never go anywhere but think of
0:55:45all the places we could go
0:55:46well I wish you luck with that yeah
0:55:48that's some time on that one but it did
0:55:50occurred to me that that fits quite
0:55:52nicely in with the theme so Mike
0:55:54speaking of people who don't upload logs
0:55:57I haven't seen you upload a vlog in a
0:55:59very long time how's that going
0:56:01I've come to a decision about my
0:56:03vlogging experiment which I'm now
0:56:05calling an experiment in retrospect okay
0:56:08I was like wait a minute I don't
0:56:09remember this word before I'm sure I
0:56:11said it at some point
0:56:12alright so okay we're reading this I'm
0:56:16not recommending it one of the things
0:56:17that I did last year was in in essence I
0:56:22guess was a introduction to what it
0:56:26would be like to have a year of
0:56:27branching out was to try something new
0:56:29and create a YouTube channel and create
0:56:33vlog content for it that was the plan
0:56:34and I wanted to see what it would be
0:56:37like to start a vlog and what that would
0:56:39take and I've come to some conclusions
0:56:42about how I feel about being a vlogger I
0:56:47think that it is very clear that to get
0:56:49good and to get popular requires
0:56:51frequent uploading right like I think
0:56:53that that is in vlogging that seems to
0:56:56be something which helps success is to
0:57:01upload frequently whatever that ends up
0:57:04being like okay what is it what does
0:57:06that mean there's a big spectrum here I
0:57:07don't know I think at least at least
0:57:09once a week or a couple of times a week
0:57:12it would seem right these from the
0:57:13people that I follow that are primarily
0:57:17doing life stylish vlogging stipe stuff
0:57:20there is very current uploading to that
0:57:23and I have a couple of issues that have
0:57:28precluded me from being able to do that
0:57:31one is the amount of time that I
0:57:36actually have to put into another
0:57:40creative project
0:57:42and really I don't have it I don't have
0:57:47the time in my life to create two
0:57:49YouTube videos a week or one a week even
0:57:53it's just not a thing that I can do well
0:57:56if I remember your original goal was one
0:57:58a month wasn't it it wasn't that sort of
0:58:00roughly what you were aiming yeah it was
0:58:02okay so you're saying this is the
0:58:03combination of if this thing is going to
0:58:06be successful it probably needs to be at
0:58:08least once a week yes and that that
0:58:11energy is just beyond the amount that
0:58:12you have to spend in a week yep
0:58:14especially with the the upcoming big
0:58:17project exactly but the thing is one of
0:58:22the problems that I had was one of the
0:58:26problems that I had with doing stuff on
0:58:28a more frequent basis it's not even just
0:58:30time it is content like what do I make
0:58:35right
0:58:36well Mike the the viewers they wanted to
0:58:39see what a normal day in Mike's life is
0:58:42like you think you want to see it but
0:58:45like I'm telling you you don't it's so
0:58:46boring
0:58:47yeah everybody thinks they want to see
0:58:49it but it's actually super boring you
0:58:51would hand just trust me like you would
0:58:54hate it how would you describe what a
0:58:56normal day actually looks like for you
0:58:58my sitting down sitting down in front of
0:59:01a computer what are you doing clicking
0:59:03oh well let the stuff that anybody wants
0:59:04to see is just different places that I
0:59:07sit down
0:59:08right right how many of those places
0:59:10even are there Tori yeah exactly the
0:59:15thing is is I don't have enough to give
0:59:20from a Content perspective because I
0:59:23make so much already so all of the
0:59:26things I have to say I've already said
0:59:29them right like so I was thinking
0:59:32something that I see from the vloggers
0:59:34that that I like is about half of the
0:59:37content at least that they make tends to
0:59:39be them talking to the camera about a
0:59:41thing yeah in a broad way a lot of it
0:59:45could be classified as opinion pieces
0:59:47yeah but I have no extra opinions than
0:59:52the ones that I give on all of the shows
0:59:54that I make right so that
0:59:56that became apparent to me really
0:59:57quickly the eye burns
0:59:57quickly the eye burns
1:00:00through my topic ideas within like three
1:00:04months they're all gone and typically we
1:00:09have a creative project that I have that
1:00:10is not the case
1:00:12that I will hang on to topics for a long
1:00:14time because they're in the initial list
1:00:18that I create hasn't foreseen all of the
1:00:20other things that might come to me
1:00:22mm-hmm
1:00:23but they didn't nothing really came to
1:00:26me and they have a big thing is that I
1:00:31realized that I would lose too much of
1:00:35my private life if I decided that I
1:00:38wanted to do this more frequently
1:00:40because if I don't have topics to sit in
1:00:47front of the cameras to talk about all I
1:00:50can do is show more of my life right and
1:00:55I decided that I'm comfortable with the
1:01:01amount that I already show and that the
1:01:04things that I don't talk about and the
1:01:06things that people don't know about is
1:01:08for a reason
1:01:10mm-hm and if I vlog more I would lose
1:01:15all of it far too frequently something
1:01:18that I see with the vloggers that I like
1:01:21to watch is that you see in their videos
1:01:23they spend time with colleagues and
1:01:26friends who were also vloggers right and
1:01:29you see these scenes where it's like
1:01:31five people each talking into a camera
1:01:33and I I don't I don't want to put my
1:01:37friends and family in those types of
1:01:39situations because my friends and family
1:01:42don't do this and I don't want to
1:01:46subject everything about my life and all
1:01:49of the people in it to the world like
1:01:51podcasting what I do right now it's
1:01:53fixed like I'm in my studio and I talk
1:01:55about what I want to talk about but
1:01:57vlogging shows more of everything in a
1:02:00direct way like people and places and
1:02:02like bad hair days like you see
1:02:05everything yeah there's a world of
1:02:08difference between you talking about
1:02:12Idina on
1:02:13podcast and you filming Idina to put in
1:02:19your vlog that there's a way that that
1:02:22turns it into oh I'm not just relaying a
1:02:25thing where the original person is not
1:02:27involved when yeah how to put it but
1:02:32like when vloggers are filming their
1:02:34family they are pretty explicitly
1:02:39requesting a performance of their family
1:02:42you exactly yeah like that that is what
1:02:45is happening and it's the same thing
1:02:46that happens if you're friends with
1:02:48someone who is vlogging they are even if
1:02:53you're just sort of in the background
1:02:54now there's like an implicit request
1:02:57that you do a performance for them I
1:03:00really notice have noticed it when I
1:03:02have blog trips that I've taken that
1:03:06people are very aware like if I'm doing
1:03:08anything with my phone they think that
1:03:11I'm filming booth and like people make
1:03:14these like jokey comments but they're
1:03:16really just checking when we were in
1:03:18WWDC I saw a bunch of this and I was I
1:03:21was aware of that with you where people
1:03:22were making comments to you where
1:03:24they're like are you vlogging this right
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1:06:09just come to realize that the life that
1:06:12I have right now doesn't fit this if I
1:06:16want to do this I have to make changes
1:06:18to my life and I've come to kind of come
1:06:22to the conclusion that I don't want to
1:06:24be a vlogger like I've just come to I
1:06:27don't want to pursue it to try and
1:06:29become this thing because I think I
1:06:31might lose too much of what I currently
1:06:33have unlike it would disrupt everything
1:06:37in a way that I may be not comfortable
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1:06:41and I I don't want to never do them
1:06:44because there are vlogs that I know I
1:06:48will be able to make about travel where
1:06:51it's mostly just me and I still want to
1:06:54make those because I actually really
1:06:55enjoy that but I have no intention of
1:07:00continuing to make this a serious thing
1:07:03like there are other types of
1:07:04technology-based videos that I want to
1:07:06do and I still want to make those I want
1:07:11to do more game streaming as a thing
1:07:13because I like doing that it's
1:07:15relatively low amount of input for the
1:07:17output mm-hmm but yeah as far as
1:07:20vlogging goes I'm not I'm not a vlogger
1:07:24and I'm not gonna be like yeah I mean
1:07:27there is a way in which from my limited
1:07:31experience with it but also just from
1:07:32knowing and seeing people who are really
1:07:35in that industry that how can I put this
1:07:43in a nice way but I think for people who
1:07:45are vlogging constantly it is like
1:07:48strip-mining their life where everything
1:07:51they're doing is seen through the lens
1:07:54of how this can be presented to the
1:07:56outside world and I think there's a long
1:08:01tradition of people who are vloggers on
1:08:04YouTube who do very frequent multi multi
1:08:06times a week content who you can just
1:08:10see them burn out and so there is no
1:08:15shortage of videos on YouTube where a
1:08:17vlogger who has been very prolific says
1:08:19hey I need to step away from this for a
1:08:22while because it's just emptied out
1:08:25lines of her life well is there's
1:08:27actually two ways you burn out when you
1:08:29flame out right it's either you've
1:08:30you've had enough or you push it too far
1:08:32and there's equal amount of videos of
1:08:36people doing something for the vlog
1:08:39which was too much right and and I have
1:08:44no desire to go in either of those
1:08:46journeys in my life yeah well and
1:08:49there's also the thing that I think
1:08:50people you know if anybody out there is
1:08:52like like oh I want to be a vlogger well
1:08:54also that this thing you just probably
1:08:56don't think about very much but there's
1:08:58a question of how many how much hmm I
1:09:01never quite know how to phrase this but
1:09:03it's like um you know it's like your
1:09:06life is a garden and things in the
1:09:08garden grow slowly and vlogging is like
1:09:12you're trying to harvest flowers out of
1:09:13the garden every single day mm-hmm it's
1:09:16like well that just can't happen there's
1:09:20it there's a question of like what is
1:09:21the frequency of which you can pull
1:09:23flowers out of this garden but they
1:09:25don't make flowers every day flowers
1:09:27take a while and you know like we
1:09:30discussed last time I went through my
1:09:32own little version of this and that was
1:09:33part of what the year of redirection was
1:09:35was just recognizing like I'm I'm doing
1:09:39podcasts that are largely about my life
1:09:43in some ways as like the frequency is
1:09:45just a little too high that it feels
1:09:49like I'm coming back to this garden to
1:09:50pull flowers too often so I need to pull
1:09:53it back just a little bit and when
1:09:55people are doing daily vlogs it's like
1:09:57you are ripping all of the flowers out
1:09:59of this garden and I think it's why when
1:10:02I think it's why there there's two
1:10:04things that happen very frequently with
1:10:06the vlogs is that they become or people
1:10:09who do successful vlogs have a
1:10:10disproportionate amount of travel in
1:10:12their life because travel is a way like
1:10:16getting flowers out of another garden
1:10:18like you're going somewhere you're doing
1:10:20something and then especially lately
1:10:24what has been a trend on on youtube I
1:10:26think is manufactured stunts for the
1:10:29vlogs so you you're now you're not
1:10:31really vlogging your daily life it's
1:10:34much more like you're putting together a
1:10:37TV show oh you have to yeah and so now
1:10:41you're artificially constructing things
1:10:42nobody's life is interesting enough like
1:10:45yeah you have to create situations and
1:10:49that was something that I've realized
1:10:51quickly like I started vlogging at a
1:10:55time in my life that was very
1:10:56interesting yeah we discussed it that
1:10:59you were very aware that there was a
1:11:01bunch of stuff going on in your life at
1:11:03that time and so if you were going to
1:11:04try this project that was the fertile
1:11:07time to do it
1:11:08yeah and it worked for me but then I
1:11:10realize oh but now it's normal daily
1:11:14life and every couple of months every
1:11:18six to eight weeks I'm going somewhere
1:11:19interesting and they're cool but what
1:11:21about all the other times and that was
1:11:24why I was struggling with once I moved
1:11:26into my house and built my office and
1:11:29did all of that stuff the really
1:11:32exciting time in my life was done and
1:11:34I'm moving into an exciting time now
1:11:37which is getting married but I have
1:11:40absolutely no desire to film any of that
1:11:43process
1:11:44yeah and that's that's again that the
1:11:46the conflict of being like a private
1:11:49person who lives in public in a way is
1:11:51do you want to strip-mine your marriage
1:11:53this was one of the big reasons for me
1:11:56where I realized that maybe this wasn't
1:11:57for me it was like if I'm gonna if I'm
1:12:00gonna be a vlogger man I have a linen
1:12:02like how great a video type thing is
1:12:05that right to show your wedding to
1:12:06people but I realized I didn't want to
1:12:08do that yeah and there's also a way in
1:12:11which obviously I'm not really like a
1:12:16vlog of Locker but they're my most
1:12:18direct comparison to this of a thing
1:12:20where you realize something is changing
1:12:22the way you think is I mean now this is
1:12:24several years ago when I decided to take
1:12:26Twitter off of my phone but I realized
1:12:29it cleared up all of this mental space
1:12:31where there was some part of my brain
1:12:33that was constantly thinking oh is this
1:12:35a funny thing to tweet this this thought
1:12:37that just came into my brain is this a
1:12:39funny thing or I'm at someplace and like
1:12:42oh is there a picture I could I could
1:12:43put on Twitter at this place that I am
1:12:45and by removing Twitter from my phone
1:12:47and just took that away and then I'm
1:12:48just not thinking about that anymore
1:12:51but again it's like if you are going to
1:12:53be a successful vlogger you start
1:12:56thinking about everything in your life
1:12:58in those terms of is this for the vlog
1:13:01yeah right is this for the vlog and I
1:13:03feel like I need to make this super
1:13:04clear like this conversation is not
1:13:07based around the fact that oh if I
1:13:08decided to do this I would become a
1:13:10megastar like that's not what I'm
1:13:12thinking here when we talk about being
1:13:13successful
1:13:14it is me trying to attempt to get to a
1:13:17place where I might be in that position
1:13:19like I don't believe that if I made a
1:13:21video
1:13:22every week for six months that I would
1:13:23be like the next Casey nice that but
1:13:25right because there's many people who
1:13:27make videos every exactly not but I
1:13:29can't unless I put the work in I could
1:13:31never get to anywhere unless I put the
1:13:33work in and I've just decided that I
1:13:35don't want to put the work in to even
1:13:37try and attempt to become someone who'd
1:13:39be considered a part of the bloggers and
1:13:40they're like as part of that work ya
1:13:43know the conversation here is not that
1:13:44you would be inevitably successful
1:13:45there's there's a lesson here for
1:13:47everyone who might want to be a vlogger
1:13:50which is that you can strip-mine your
1:13:53life for the public and still be
1:13:55unsuccessful as well and you get nothing
1:13:58right so that that was part of it was
1:14:00like I give up everything maybe get
1:14:03nothing back and it's like do I really
1:14:05want to take that risk and then one of
1:14:07the other big things for me which is a
1:14:08lesson that I will want to impart to
1:14:10anyone I was dreading the creation mmm
1:14:14that's a bad sign that's a really bad
1:14:16sign exactly so I would be like I'd have
1:14:18my toss come up to be like okay you've
1:14:20got to start working on a vlog like
1:14:21you're approaching the end of the month
1:14:23and I'd be like I don't want to do it
1:14:25for a project that's supposed to be a
1:14:26fun side project that's terrible nothing
1:14:30else that I do do I feel that way and if
1:14:33I ever start to feel that way of
1:14:34anything one of two things happens I
1:14:37ever change significantly the project or
1:14:40killer and I've always worked that way
1:14:42and I decide and when I came to the
1:14:45realization I was not enjoying thinking
1:14:49about necessarily being forced to make a
1:14:51video that was when I deleted the task
1:14:53right and that happened in the summer
1:14:55so the recurring task of create a vlog
1:14:58went away so then you will notice my
1:15:01frequency went down because then I only
1:15:03just started making vlogs about one they
1:15:04wanted to make vlogs about and then one
1:15:06of the bigger ones was when I was away
1:15:08for four weeks over the summer I
1:15:10recorded a bunch of vlog footage to
1:15:13create a huge vlog Alvin I got home and
1:15:15I had so much footage I didn't know what
1:15:19to do with it and then that was when I
1:15:22kind of decided that this probably isn't
1:15:25the thing for me I mean it's been an
1:15:28interesting experiment personally I'm
1:15:31kind of sad that you're not going to be
1:15:32vlogging frequently like obviously the
1:15:34writing was on the wall a little bit
1:15:35with this as the frequency dropped I did
1:15:39really enjoy your vlogs but I do I do
1:15:42think that you have still come out of
1:15:43this with you learn how to do a new
1:15:46thing and you have also established the
1:15:49existence of the mic early YouTube
1:15:51channel it is there whenever I want to
1:15:53do something with it yeah it's no longer
1:15:55the case of if you want to upload a
1:15:57youtube video you'd be starting from
1:15:59Ground Zero that you now have some
1:16:02inbuilt audience over there and it's
1:16:05like if if you feel like there is a
1:16:07video that you want to make that you
1:16:08feel compelled to make you have a place
1:16:10to put it and it has a place to start on
1:16:14YouTube with with some pre-existing
1:16:16audience that is already there I have
1:16:19ideas for standalone videos that I will
1:16:21make in the future but it's just nothing
1:16:23that I want to necessarily start on
1:16:25right now and every now and then I get
1:16:28something that pops into my head around
1:16:29like that might be a fun thing to make a
1:16:31video about and so it like just gets
1:16:32locked away and I'll talk about it later
1:16:34and one of it I mean and it's maybe
1:16:36sounds kind of sounds weird but I'm
1:16:38happy that I have put as much time into
1:16:42talking about this on this show as I
1:16:44have because I die I follow a lot of
1:16:49people that are successful and talk
1:16:50about their successes and the things
1:16:52that they're doing the things that they
1:16:53don't this has clearly been a failure in
1:16:56what I attempted to start with like
1:16:59where I am when I was talking about this
1:17:01doing this project to where I am now
1:17:03like I have failed to achieve what I was
1:17:06hoping to achieve from this and it was
1:17:08because my feelings towards it changed
1:17:10so I'm happy to share that as a thing to
1:17:13say like this is something that happens
1:17:15to everyone you start a project and it
1:17:18just doesn't go the way that you want
1:17:20and that is totally fine for you to then
1:17:23just move away from it and I feel I
1:17:24actually feel better having moved away
1:17:27because all of the time it's like oh but
1:17:29I started this thing and if it doesn't
1:17:30work out and I stopped doing it like how
1:17:33does that look like I look like I kind
1:17:35of failed or like I look like hey I
1:17:37couldn't do it but I feel better being
1:17:40comfortable in saying that it's done
1:17:42like I'm not gonna attempt to try and
1:17:44push this further than it needs to go
1:17:46because I've always I'm just gonna hey
1:17:49and I don't hate it and it means that I
1:17:51can still come back to making some
1:17:52videos when I want to but I didn't suck
1:17:54everything out of it and I'm kind of
1:17:57happy to share that
1:17:58yeah and killing projects is a vital
1:18:02skill okay if you can't do it then Yin
1:18:05you could never do anything right
1:18:06because you're just dragging along these
1:18:09old projects behind you all the time
1:18:10when I look at my younger self I think a
1:18:14skill that he was not so great at was
1:18:17killing projects and yeah it's like that
1:18:21that's one thing if I was if it was to
1:18:23go back in time and try to advise my
1:18:25younger self about like how'd it get
1:18:27what he wants out of the world faster
1:18:29what one of the things would definitely
1:18:31be hey buddy let's go through your list
1:18:34of things and let's decide that some of
1:18:36these are over sooner let's do that
1:18:39because it frees up your energy and time
1:18:41for other things yep
1:18:43like for me talking about it here
1:18:45nothing has changed because I am I'm
1:18:49making the same amount of videos as I've
1:18:51been making the last few months which is
1:18:53none mm-hmm but now I am addressing it
1:18:56mm-hmm
1:18:57right like nothing's nothing's different
1:18:58like I'm not making more or less videos
1:19:00but I am now addressing the fact that
1:19:02don't expect them and kind of I feel I
1:19:05feel relief in that just like well now
1:19:08nobody's expecting the vlogs because I
1:19:09told you never to expect the vlogs
1:19:11expect that there will be YouTube videos
1:19:13sometime in the future but don't expect
1:19:15them to come anytime soon and or to be
1:19:17anything that you expect them to be the
1:19:22Mike Hurley channel is just gonna be
1:19:24your your channel of what you want it to
1:19:26be whatever I ends up being whatever
1:19:29that is a man so you can take up the
1:19:32mantle now you can be the vlogger yeah I
1:19:35know I never put it down like if I could
1:19:40give past me some advice that would have
1:19:43saved him some time which is ablator
1:19:44when you were talking about it would
1:19:46certainly be hey shoot less footage when
1:19:53you sit down and you've got four weeks
1:19:56worth of vlog footage like but that will
1:19:58kill a vlog I tell you that right now
1:20:00yeah yeah that's as one of the many
1:20:04reasons there's been delays like boy
1:20:06don't don't capture everything you'll
1:20:09regret it
1:20:11it's a next episode we're gonna do
1:20:14something we've never done before we're
1:20:15gonna watch a documentary mm-hmm and
1:20:19talk about it in kind of the vein of
1:20:20cortex book club so it's kind of a book
1:20:22club but a documentary like oh like a
1:20:25documentary club for work sure that's
1:20:29the working title we'll go with that one
1:20:31the cortex documentary Club for work
1:20:33there is a documentary about the team
1:20:36behind South Park called six days to air
1:20:39this documentary I've seen a couple of
1:20:42times and I thought it would be
1:20:43interesting to bring to the table
1:20:44because these are people who create an
1:20:47episode of a TV show within six days
1:20:51every week so they create a weekly show
1:20:54and every episode is creative in six
1:20:56days and it is interesting to watch a
1:20:59team work under this incredible deadline
1:21:01pressure that I thought it could be
1:21:03interesting to talk about on the show
1:21:04now it is worth noting at this point
1:21:07this is a documentary about the TV show
1:21:10South Park so it includes clips of South
1:21:13Park episodes and lots of South Park
1:21:17humor which can be very questionable and
1:21:21awkward in some places so I say and I'm
1:21:26like it's not that the humor is
1:21:27questionable there's no question that it
1:21:30can be quite vulgar there you go that's
1:21:32a lovely way of putting it yes it is
1:21:34tasteless like is this funny or not like
1:21:38that's not the question yes yeah the
1:21:41question is more what you want to see it
1:21:45so you probably know at this point if
1:21:47this is something you want to watch like
1:21:49if you don't know South Park I recommend
1:21:52not watching it if you know you don't
1:21:54like South Park I recommend not watching
1:21:56it we're gonna take a look at how the
1:21:58team works and just talk about that
1:22:01we're not gonna talk about the content
1:22:03too much because it's not important for
1:22:05the overall discussion yeah this is this
1:22:08is just a thing that has been on our
1:22:09list for a long time when you first
1:22:11mentioned it and I have wanted to see
1:22:14for quite a while because I think the
1:22:16the two guys behind South Park are
1:22:19uniquely prolific and they also from
1:22:24what I have gleamed they work in very
1:22:28different ways and they have also had
1:22:31careers over now a fantastically long
1:22:36period of time yeah so I think that like
1:22:39that they are at the intersection of a
1:22:41bunch of things that I'm interested to
1:22:44see a documentary about how they're
1:22:48working so ever since you mentioned to
1:22:50me that this thing existed I have wanted
1:22:52to to see it but but yeah so just to be
1:22:54clear like our interest in seeing this
1:22:56is how do they work it's not really a
1:23:00conversation about like what do we think
1:23:02about South Park because I think people
1:23:04already know what they think about South
1:23:06Park
1:23:07yeah you either like it or you don't
1:23:08like it and there are probably extremely
1:23:10good reasons for both depending on your
1:23:12opinions I will say that I don't really
1:23:16like South Park I kind of never have
1:23:20isn't something that I have been that
1:23:23interested in but the documentary is
1:23:25very good we are going to talk about it
1:23:27like we talked about the books so you
1:23:29don't have to watch this too young I
1:23:32understand what we're gonna talk about
1:23:33so you don't need to watch it I want to
1:23:35tell people that we are watching it in
1:23:37case you do want to watch it but this
1:23:39comes with all of the warnings we could
1:23:41possibly give for such a explicit
1:23:44documentary because it's got South Park
1:23:46in it so there you go that's that's a
1:23:47website six days to air is what it's
1:23:49called and we'll talk about it next time
1:23:51see you next time