The Incomparable

00:00:03 ◼   ► the incomparable number 132 Morris 2030 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► don't make me angry you wouldn't like me [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► when I'm angry [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► this is the incomparable podcast I'm [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► Jason smell your host i have not been [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► bombarded with gamma radiation this is [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► an episode of the comic book club and [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► joining me as usual for the comic book [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► club our charter comic book club members [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► Lisa Schmeisser hi Lisa [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► good evening everybody and Jason [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► brightman hi Jason [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► hey now this was your idea to talk about [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► the way I've been describing this is the [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► many Hulk's that I have known how the [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► whole the whole could put more more than [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► that the kind of like other bulky things [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► including the she-hulk so why don't you [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► give a little introduction to our [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► primary topic for tonight yeah so this a [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► crazy idea that too distant to discuss [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► she-hulk which for those of you out [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► there who aren't as familiar with [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► she-hulk she's Bruce Banner the hoax [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► cousin [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► yes I who apparently at first appeared [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► in 1980 and it's in savage she-hulk [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► number one so that's just a bit of [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► trivia i just looked up back when she [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► was savage back when she was savage but [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► we're not looking at the series known as [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► savage she-hulk we're looking at her [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► second series and her i think it's the [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► third or third series is a series of a [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► failed series of a failed serious but [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► the actually looking at a character and [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► heard her treatment by two different [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► writers in two different series is that [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► were similar yet different the [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► sensational she-hulk by john byrne and [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► the just self-titled she-hulk that was [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► written by Dan Slott and then after [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► we're done with that we'll we'll maybe [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► branch out into some other other kind of [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► Hulk related things because I find this [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► whole I find actually kind of bizarre [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► that there is a a you know a whole [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► family of things because the whole as a [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► character in his own right is kind of [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► problematic and peculiar and maybe we'll [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► talk about that a little bit too we have [TS]

00:02:17 ◼   ► a chance but the assigned reading was [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► these two defunct she-hulk series which [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► are fascinating [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► I i was reading comics i believe when [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► the first came out and i think i might [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► have been back reading comics when the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► second one came out and i have no I [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► think no recollection of either we think [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► that explains why they didn't last very [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► long it will the the the the first [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► series the sensational she-hulk by john [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► byrne sort of at the height of john [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► byrne is them as he was riding the fence [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► writing and drawing the Fantastic Four [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► on what's considered one of their best [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► runs he did the she-hulk series as well [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► as several other things because he was [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► writing and drawing a dozen books that a [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► month at that time but the the series [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► interesting so is one of the first [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► series is that broke the fourth wall and [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► and had the character aware that she was [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► in a comic book and she spent some time [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► talking to the writer about the dubious [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► decisions he was making with her series [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► yes which is also the the hitters a [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► there's a greats I've got the trade and [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► I think my absolute favorite part of the [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► john byrne book is on pages 126 and 127 [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► when she runs across the advertisement [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► and she says don't ask questions were [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► into the Zen of comic books here it only [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► works if you don't think about it i have [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► to note that the letters column for this [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► comic was called shemale haha and also [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► that there is a great cliffhanger f-in [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► issue too i believe where they come up [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► the shield said they actually cut off [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► she-hulk's head and then for most of [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► issue 3 [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► she is a disembodied head is going to [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► realize that in in like a very quick [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► hand wave that it's all been a [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► misdirection and her head was never [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► actually cut off be but it doesn't [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► matter anyway because it's just a comic [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► book so here yet that that was pretty [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► much the tone here it's funny I I guess [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► John Byrne was kind of a made man marvel [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► when he did this so he could do they're [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► like whatever do whatever [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► well he created creek he helped create [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► kitty pryde with chris klem yeah so that [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► that was a lot of money also he was big [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► on the x-men way so he had the beard [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► big run with claremont the x-men and he [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► and and clairmont had a had a conflict [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► creative conflict and so burn left and [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► went off to do you know basically i [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► forget the time and I think it was [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► almost immediate that went off and did [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► fantastic for which like jason said was [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► a legendary run and that's the i [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► remember reading that and that was he [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► made it a you know bizarre sci-fi book [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► put geochim the Fantastic Four for a [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► while too so obviously he has this a [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► great affinity for this character but if [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► you like at that point he had enough [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► cloud at marvel that they let him do [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► this sensational she-hulk seriously it [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► really only lasts eight issues Jason [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► know it did a tissues under burn and [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► then it's which direction and there was [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► a different writer and artist but then [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► burn came back with issue 32 and started [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► off issue 32 with her waking up from a [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► dream of the past whatever many issues [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► and she left off initially and then [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► continued the tone of issue 8 for [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► another like 15 or 16 issues that [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► haven't been reprinted well so yeah I [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► don't know what led him to leave the [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► book but he came back in and just picked [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► up where he left off so i think the the [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► tone essentially i always remember I [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► didn't read this at the time when it [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► came out but i do remember the first [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► issue cover which was just a [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► three-quarter shot of she-hulk standing [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► there with holding an x-men comic in her [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► hand and saying okay now is this is your [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► second chance if you don't buy my book [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► this time I'm going to come to your [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► house and rip up all your x-men yeah [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► yeah which i still remember those sort [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► of ads in the Marvel comic didn't get me [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► to read the book but I remember it [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► this book has such great nineteen [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► eighties aesthetics 20 I was the the [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► first time I read through the john byrne [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► Block III was transported back to the [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► bush one administration for shock [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► oh yeah that with it with the style that [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► they draw the the hair everyone has this [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► crazy full volume hair [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► and and and she has a lot of green hair [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► a giant mound of green hair on the top [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► yes even when they make her the [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► alter-ego glamazonian and they cover her [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► with acres of makeup it's the same thing [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► and john byrne also does a wonderful job [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► of using people's physiognomies to [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► broadcast whether they're good guys bad [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► guys comic relief [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► it's it's almost like anime where you've [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► got these very clear visual conventions [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► as to who falls we're on the heroism and [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► villainy scale just based on how they're [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► built in the page 86 in the trade as a [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► great she's getting dressed for her new [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► job as the assistant district attorney [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► and it's just a panel after panel of a [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► tease fashion [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► oh yeah you don't reminds me of is a [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► back in the nineteen twenties and [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► thirties when there were several movies [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► where you have these long fashion [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► interludes we each have had obviously [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► was just given free rein to throw up on [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► the screen whatever she wanted and and [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► this reminds me very much of those [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► sequences where the characters have to [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► politely be protected it politely [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► pretend to be interested in a fashion [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► show because I could but what is the [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► point here oh if there ever was a [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► character who didn't need shoulder pads [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► it's this one it was the she-hulk right [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► yeah it's amazing John Byrne is i mean [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► he he represents the eighties and comics [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► in it for me to be and I look at the art [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► and I'm immediately transported back to [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► those x-men issues to that fantastic [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► four run to the original help Alpha [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► Flight seriously I like right and this [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► is this is not not something I was [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► familiar with Owen roccat the hair with [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► the crazy head pat benatar headband it [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► to you [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► oh my god yes yeah and the storytelling [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► here is I mean it in in the shield [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► series it's it's so strange and meta it [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► is it is telling like that it's got the [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► trappings of a comic book story but it's [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► almost like something you'd see and you [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► know Marvel always has been very self [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► referential and and and this is you know [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► whether it's a get whatever serving for [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► Busher you know thinking food that is [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► just merry Marvel marching Society this [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► stone is kinda like that where it's like [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► we're playing with these Marvel [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► characters but it's never really serious [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► yeah it's but it's kind of bizarre [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► actually because it's so broad and weird [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► and yet then you know then there's a [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► tie-in and and she's with the Fantastic [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► Four it so it's a really it's kind of [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► crazy but like i said i get the feeling [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► like John Byrne was allowed latitude at [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► least for a while he was allowed to [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► latitude to just do these crazy stories [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► type of structure that the all of the [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► characters that he puts it the headmen [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► in the first couple issues that cut off [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► her head and that crazy one that had [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► that red ball and then later dr. bong [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► and stuff these are all Marvel villains [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► that are terrible go back into the [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► sixties and in things like that are just [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► terrible and in fact that he goes and [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► resurrect them and just embraces their [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► terribleness a dr. bong was a Howard the [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► doc villain as was that woman with the [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► Roundhead so the fact he's using Howard [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► the Duck villains to come in and find [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► she-hulk amuse me to no end and the [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► fight was still man i think it's some of [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► still my of my favorite panels in comics [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► in August issue for or page 102 of the [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► trade where she's fighting still men and [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► then he knocks her down by stamping on [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► her into the subway which then does the [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► banging of her head oh yeah as the train [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► passes by and then she just pushes both [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► legs collapsing still men and then catch [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► him as he falls down i saw that page on [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► ebay a while ago and bid on it but it [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► went to high school man is there's [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► another good villain there he's got [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► stilts right he's really release home [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► yeah watch out for me i have a tall and [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► my center of gravity is a little bit [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► often that's the same issue where she [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► puts on the various outfits [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► yeah that's a classic um so if it one of [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► the things i think it's interesting [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► about the she-hulk character [TS]

00:10:57 ◼   ► particularly for the eighties you know [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► the eighties when it was the dark knight [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► and Batman year one and it was all about [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► the grimace so serious [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► superheroes and she's absolutely the [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► exact opposite of that [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► yeah off and it's awesome [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► right because he's where it seems like [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► his informal manifested through all of [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► this should be comic should be fun you [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► should always remember that it should be [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► fun to read them and I'm having fun [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► riding them [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► mhm but it's just this whole book is [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► just when i read the two back first-ever [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► them separately gonna read them [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► back-to-back and this book is just so [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► much more fun unless honesty and she's [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► gotta find sense of the absurd which [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► when you think about the this year [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► existence of a she hoped to begin with I [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► think you kind of have to have a healthy [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► appreciation for just completely [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► ridiculous situations [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► well I love the contrast between the two [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► books because both are taking a humorous [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► approach but a while in the the latter [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► series that the dance lot series its [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► he's trying to write a humorous story [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► and where the john byrne stuff it's just [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► he's kind of embracing the absurdity of [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► comics [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► yes and it not trying to write a funny [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► story so much as just going to know what [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► all comics are funny [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► these are funny books and it's just [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► completely ridiculous it is I I kind of [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► find the single green female series by a [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► lot to be kind of sad way it's it's a [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► little depressing [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► I'll be honest with you especially [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► chicks kicked out of Avengers mansion [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► uh-huh uh-huh i thought that was great [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► well it's funny when even tony stark [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► it's like okay you know what [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► no this is pretty much under one roof [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► but i really loved the the slot series [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► which is from when when exactly so that [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► was a after Marvel went into bankruptcy [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► and we're looking at like early two [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► thousands [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► I'm and the reality thousands and comics [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► joe quesada just became became editor in [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► chief and was essentially Marvel have [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► excellent news [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► yeah there's nothing to lose so they [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► were trying anything and this is one of [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► those series with the kind of crazy [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► direction of you know it essentially [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► they're doing [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► ally mcbeal with she-hulk yeah it's it's [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► a that's that's probably explains why [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► didn't connect with I really didn't like [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► the series although i don't i don't [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► think it i don't think i would say it's [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► telling me feel like I would say it's [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► almost like la la haha [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► acceptance to love that little it's a [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► superhero it's super hero law the whole [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► idea is she's always been a lawyer why [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► not do it so she gets hired for a law [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► firm and it's great because she's having [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► this crisis of confidence it's like you [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► know it cannot be respected for Who I am [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► i I'm only respected because I'm the [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► she-hulk and even then not so much but [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► in my regular life as an attorney [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► Jennifer Walters all this so she finally [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► gets this this break she thinks and it [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► turns out it's to work at the law firm [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► but it's to work in the superhero [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► practice in the law firm which I love [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► because it ends up being these stories [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► where you know they're there they're [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► still fight some things but but there [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► are also these bizarre cases when you [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► start to think about it in terms of of [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► what would be the legal ramifications of [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► having me superpower people around which [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► I that tickled me and actually reminded [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► me I mean Lee so you and I have talked a [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► little bit about all some of those [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► ramifications of the legal ramifications [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► and what happens when the fights are [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► over and you have to clean up after work [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► because that the in a Marvel late [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► eighties they they had a series called [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► damage control which was about the [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► construction company that was hired to [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► always clean up after the superheroes [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► messages [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► wikipedia has something on yeah and [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► actually in the dance lot series the [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► damage control people are there it's [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► where Hercules ends up getting a job [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► right after he sued and loses all his [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► money so I really I i really appreciated [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► that there are these there's a trial [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► where ghosts is called as a witness [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► you know i love that it and she figures [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► out why he's lying it's it's a yeah that [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► so I really I i enjoyed it because it [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► was not as the burn stuff is nice from a [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► nostalgia purpose in it and it is crazy [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► but the the slot series I you know I [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► really I really enjoyed reading it I [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► having not known that it even existed [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► and and uh may I feel like I really [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► gotta roll in and you know sad that [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► obviously that it lasted almost no time [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► but but i like the premise that that you [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► know she's trying to be a superhero law [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► as a premise it's it's ridiculous and [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► and you know why not right [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► I mean it's like I love that [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► gnashing of those two things together [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► and having this character who's kind of [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► sympathetic because she wants to be more [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► you know she knows that she's kind of a [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► second-rate superhero and she wants to [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► to do something unique and her real [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► unique skill is that she's all she's [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► super hero who's a lawyer so this is the [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► perfect place for her in a way I feel [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► like I think I feel like there's a lot [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► of books that kind of tried that ground [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► with because when you think about it if [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► you're not in the DC Universe if you're [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► not Superman Batman Wonder Woman you our [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► second string if not third or fourth [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► string and I can remember when i read [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► the seven soldiers but grant morrison [TS]

00:16:11 ◼   ► did that was the whole point to that was [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► the whole cetana introduction was her [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► awareness that you know she was she was [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► not even be squad she was co-ed Squad [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► and and marble kinda does that to ya [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► I i think the differences is some some [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► every hero is number one in their own [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► comic book right and i think the [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► difference is the heroes that realize [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► that and likely she-hulk I see this [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► they're not you know that they may be [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► the star of their own lives but they [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► know that they're not in a way that you [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► know the flash maybe doesn't really [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► understand that he's not as cool as some [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► of the other people or Aquaman but but [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► she holds like get Aquaman she know [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► she's a second-stringer and she knows [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► that there is this place way that she's [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► unique and yeah so I think in the the [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► burn series where it's the absurdity and [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► it's just about she-hulk is having a [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► great time and then the slot series they [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► take that to the kind of extreme it [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► starts off with she-hulk this party girl [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► who's bringing home a different guy [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► every night and wrecking the Avengers [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► mansion with her parties and then [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► they're throwing her out and it turns [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► out she's kind of doing this because she [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► is somewhat depressed or or not not [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► happy with her life and there's that [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► scene at the end of the first issue [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► where she's in the bar and the the [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► well-known villain the blizzard you know [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► attacks are because she ruined his [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► chance to be a a name and he's tired of [TS]

00:17:36 ◼   ► being sent back to prison with all the [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► other small-time losers and rather than [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► fighting him [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► she's like well you know do you want to [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► drink in so okay shore and then they're [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► just drunk talking about the bar about [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► how he's talking about it's it's hard [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► being a nobody [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► nothing and she's like well it's [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► actually not so great being somebody [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► either and it's shallow and hollow and I [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► thought that was kind of really [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► interesting with the character and [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► inmates speaks that sadness that you [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► were talking about then she's got the [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► offer at the law firm but not they don't [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► want to hire she-hulk they want to hire [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► Jen Walters who she's not a fan of but [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► that yeah yeah but it and it's that [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► either or right it's like when you take [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► all of me is is basically the include [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► the whole thing [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► yeah so so I guess we've got you know a [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► kind of a mixed response because i [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► really like the dance lot series and i [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► would recommend that to people because I [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► thought it was kind of a kick and fun [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► and and a different take on i just love [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► those like let's take let's accept the [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► superhero world and then say if that is [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► a real world then lots of other things [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► we come from it including how would how [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► would the law deal with the superheroic [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► you know events not whether its [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► destruction or whether it's a possession [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► or a ghost or whatever and that's what I [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► really liked about it was kind of a [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► light touch it was funny you know it i [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► think the gin Walters is a likeable [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► character and then you you get to see a [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► corner of superhero dumb that you are [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► you don't normally see which was it was [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► fun it was a kick for me it and i love [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► the character of Awesome Andy yes yes oh [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► he was at the Whitney he starts [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► communicating glyphs you find anything [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► Yankee span right and awesome Andy out [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► there is a he's the the mad thinkers [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► synthetic android villain who has you [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► know either gain consciousness or is [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► malfunctioning depending on your point [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► of view and he's sort of the is it go [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► for his last letter of the law firm [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► yeah well you and they refer to him is [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► awesome hint awesome Andy again instead [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► of having a superteam what they've got [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► is a super law firm but you know what [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► this book kind of reminded me of is the [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► lunar brothers book ultra we're super [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► Harold superhero team has been basically [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► turned into a celebrity type of [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► commodity they have they have award [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► shows and there are subject to stuff and [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► gossip magazines and there and a lot of [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► the gossip is a lot of finger wagging [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► over ethical concerns about what happens [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► new data superhero eccentric cetera so [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► there's a little bit of a zeitgeist a [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► crossover and it was actually published [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► on the same time too because ultra came [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► out between august of 2004 marcha 2005 [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► that said this one definitely has more [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► tongue-in-cheek humor and I do like that [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► they call back to us some of the classic [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► she-hulk's definitely calling her silky [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► as i pronounce it the thing called are [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► shocking when he helps her move into her [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► new apartment [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► yeah i like when they sued when [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► Spiderman sued the Daily Bugle okay yeah [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► and jefferson st dress up like a chicken [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► yeah yes sir funny it is but it's it's [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► the ally mcbeal 5i can't quite get over [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► and and I'm it that's my own personal [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► bias i think that's yeah I think that's [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► your own baggage there is that I don't [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► admit it is so what I think I thought [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► was interesting you know we've talked [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► about female characters in comics before [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► and is I always find it interesting when [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► those discussions come up that she hulk [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► is never mentioned even though she sort [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► of headline her own book what three or [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► four times now and and wild each [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► individual series may not have been like [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► a huge commercial sack success writers [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► are certainly interested in her but [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► she's never brought up in those calm [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► those conversations when you know people [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► are talking about Catwoman or or [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► batwoman or Supergirl or any of those [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► sort of or Wonder Woman you know but [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► here these books where it's a in [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► interesting female lead and you know [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► maybe it's because the books are taken [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► more humor direction that they're not [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► taken seriously [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► yeah I how wonder how much of that is [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► that she's seen not just as a I mean she [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► seen as a derivative character to I mean [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► I i mentioned the whole before and i [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► would like to talk about other kind of [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► Hulk family related things but but that [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► comes to part of the problem with the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► she-hulk is that you know she is [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► literally the xi dash [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► other character right she is she is the [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► derivative female offshoot of popular [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► character and I think that I think [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► that's part of the problem is that she's [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► not you know she gets the name [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► recognition because she's got holcomb [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► title and she's green but she also is [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► always going to be viewed as as a you [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► know a spin-off character she doesn't [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► even have her own identity really she's [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► just the female version of The Hulk and [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► you get to know the character and you [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► know that there's a lot more there but [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► you know the fact is from from a [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► distance she's not really iconic she's [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► just a female spin on us a different [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► iconic character which is you know not [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► the same thing [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► what I guess but I what I'm getting hung [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► up on is because you mentioned whole [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► family and I thought you know there's [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► actually been fairly successful back [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► family they've managed to spend it out [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► where you had batman batgirl batwoman [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► yes Batman Incorporated Batman limited [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► liability corporation and then you that [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► you've got Nightwing and ride the [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► different Robbins whom I've lost track [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► of and that wing darkwing yeah why [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► couldn't I couldn't you were mrs. Batman [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► that was less successful mrs. Batman [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► no you're right it's been franchised in [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► a way and yeah and that's it and that's [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► fairly clever but i don't know maybe [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► that's sweet generous to the DC universe [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► because I can't think of another of [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► another mark a type hero in DC that's [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► managed to feel about so well maybe the [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► marbles with Miss marked with Mary [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► marble and Captain Marvel but that still [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► fairly limited whereas if you had [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► somebody could have Holcomb and she [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► hoped but they still haven't managed to [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► build that kind of look they all have [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► something in well other than being big [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► and green the characters actually have [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► nothing in common [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► where I never wear whereas i guess the [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► thing with the bat with with the [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► bat-family is that whereas they all kind [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► of have a shared ethos maybe as long as [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► the ethos starts with we don't ever [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► question birth way right work we're all [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► mad Bruce Wayne's parents were killed [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► yes definitely keeps trying to to build [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► these family things I mean there how [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► many x-men books now and how many [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► Avengers books for which they're used to [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► read have been a lot of x-men books for [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► a long time but now there are a lot of [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► and different kinds of Avengers yeah and [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► and with Hulk you know they have the [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► they have like the Red Hulk and they had [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► scar son of hulk and they have the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► incredible hulk and they had the [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► although you it was Hercules for a while [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► and and you know it did so they're [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► trying to to do that which is actually a [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► little surprised there isn't more [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► she-hulk action going on since at Marvel [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► is trying to build these you know I [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► think that's part of the strategy is to [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► build these worlds within I could say [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► worlds within worlds here and make [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► micronauts reference so i might as well [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► do that if you get these little worlds [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► right where it's not that you don't have [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► to read every marvel it's somewhere in [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► between reading like all the Marvel [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► titles and reading one book it's to say [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► a hot now what you're going to do is [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► you're going to read these six that are [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► all underneath the x-men family where [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► the Avengers family and they kind of [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► with with like the Red Hulk especially [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► there are trying to say can we do more [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► Hulk's can we add some Hulk's there's a [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► red she-hulk now [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► yes there is a red she-hulk right it's [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► that so there's like it is the whole [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► family that's why i keep saying is [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► they've you know tried to spread it out [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► and make make them be more Hulk's which [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► is weird since like the Hulk was this [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► whole gamma bomb experiment gone wrong [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► and they've managed to now she hoped it [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► was became she helped because of a blood [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► transfusion yes as a patient banners [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► radioactive blood and then hope the the [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► scar son of hulk came from that whole [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► planet whole series yes we're still [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► stuck at the whole kind of spaceship and [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► were like yeah [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► better luck next time sucker so right [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► I'm holding in my hands the plan a whole [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► card cover by the way and as somebody [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► who is not my girlfriend in high school [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► actually ended up marrying the guy who [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► may be the biggest incredible hulk fan [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► in the in the world and I i find that [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► amusing because I I like comics and I [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► never been a fan of the Hulk at all but [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► i gotta say planet hulk by Greg POC is [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► great and not just because there are [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► many things in it that are micro notes [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► references there are though there are [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► three probably one of the Micronauts to [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► when he was a kid but it's a great [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► self-contained story because literally [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► yeah Lisa they shoot the Hulk away in a [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► spaceship and say see you later because [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► stop breaking our planet and they write [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► and send them off to another planet [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► which of course precedes to break but uh [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► huh [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► it's a great self-contained story [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► because he starts with nothing and he in [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► there is the this kind of complexity of [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► what's going on this planet and its this [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► wild adventure where he goes from being [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► it's like gladiator with the whole key [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► starts in the in the pits as a warrior [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► you know for for people's amusement and [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► he over time becomes essentially the [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► ruler of the planet in this in in this [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► 12 issues story arc and it's a great [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► story so you know that that and and out [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► of that spun world war hulk in the and [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► the scar son of hulk spin-off and things [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► like that and i think i think maybe [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► that's what gave the Hulk a lot of [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► velocity is it because Hulk as a [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► character is kinda in some ways is kind [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► of boring because you know he smashes [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► things and and nobody can really decide [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► to see is you have is a really [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► intelligent or not intelligent at all or [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► somewhere in between and planet hulk I [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► felt like they gave him some definition [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► and kind of a purpose and kind of a [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► collection of characters around him and [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► I think they coasted on that or or that [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► may be unfair to say I think it took [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► advantage of that for a while because it [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► was like oh ok this character now has [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► some definition that it it never really [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► had before well I think the earlier in [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► the the late eighties early nineties [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► when Peter David was running the the [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► Hulk franchise in and did a fairly [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► classic run on the Hulk he tried to [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► address that by essentially introducing [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► the idea that the Hulk was because [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► banner was abused as a child the the [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► Hulk was a manifestation of his his [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► childhood rage and then he became the [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► gray Hawk which was his sort of [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► repressed a [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► it is repressed sexual side and they'll [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► do there's a better better explained [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► with a great help it i really like that [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► Peter David run because the menus the [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► grey Hulk which was a the window help [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► first came out he was grey and then for [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► issues later they made him green for no [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► other reason than the printer really [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► couldn't get gray right which was a [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► problem with printing back in the [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► sixties on newspaper and so they went ok [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► fine make them green so then Peter David [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► brought back the grey Hulk through this [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► when you're one of the banner trying to [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► separate himself from Hulk things and [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► the grey Hulk was smaller not as strong [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► as the green Hulk didn't come out [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► because of anger came out at at night I [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► mean it was a nocturnal thing but he had [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► intelligence and he was mean and nasty [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► and so what he ended up doing was he the [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► great whole nightmare character [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► what was it this the series then it sort [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► of had this big break where oh my god [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► what happened to Hulk is he dead or not [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► and then it jumps forward a period of [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► time and there's this character in vegas [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► who's working as a essentially a bouncer [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► at a casino in Vegas named Joe fix fix [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► that right who's the grey Hulk and he [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► establishes a life for himself and he [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► gets a girlfriend and a job and you know [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► there's a whole cast of characters in [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► vegas at the casino he works for and it [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► was really intriguing and then what had [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► had what he was doing was taking [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► sleeping pills so then banner would [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► sleep through the day and he'd be the [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► hulk at night and then what Peter David [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► did was eventually the banner kept [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► started coming out and all throughout [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► the hooks history it was the Hulk was [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► effing with banners life and peter david [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► turned on his head and I was the Hulk [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► who had a life and and are kept coming [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► back and trying to mess with like the [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► Hulk's life in vegas and i really like [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► the Joe fix it [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► character and he had this girlfriend Lea [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► Marlo and then later on you know Betty [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► Bruce banners girlfriend sometimes wife [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► came back and then so you had either [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► banner or the Hulk hanging out with both [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► their girlfriend and the other [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► personalities girlfriend which led to [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► awkward [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► conversations there was like basically a [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► cast of characters and some really [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► interesting things happening and then [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► Peter David merge the different [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► personalities and that's when the smart [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► Hulk came out and it was banner as the [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► hulk and that lasted a few years where [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► he didn't change anymore and he had [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► intelligence but it was big and strong [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► and green III my favorite of all the [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► hooks tough is that that run where it [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► was Joe fix it in vegas just because it [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► flipped the entire kind of dynamic of [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► the series III I that's good i i i [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► highly recommend intern planet hulk I [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► think there's some so it's interesting [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► because we're talking about the halkan [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► comics you know the Hulk is a [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► problematic character in general right [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► because wewe look-look at the movies [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► I hate right with that they've made to [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► movies the only two movies really in [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► Marvel's collection of movies recently [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► that have been almost entirely [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► unsuccessful electra daredevil yeah well [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► okay so the ones that are kind of under [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► Marvel's don't know there's a difference [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► between the ones they went off and other [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► studios produce them but in the words [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► you're introducing themselves like they [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► tried it with Angli and then they tried [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► again with that French director in there [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► that where Edward Norton rewrote I've [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► seen both of them and and the and i [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► think the general feeling is that the [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► movies didn't really get the Hulk right [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► until the Avengers you know so we added [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► many Avengers there's a struggle and [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► there's a lot of confusion from people [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► who've seen the adventures about the [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► Hulk there because the implication if [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► you watch The Avengers a couple of times [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► is that he is the rules are [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► he's an uncontrollable rage monster when [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► he rages out and becomes the Hulk but [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► when he chooses to turn into the hulk [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► there's more intelligence murder [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► yeah he can he can collaborate right [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► right so you get a little bit of both [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► because that's the thing with the Hulk [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► is he you know it's fun to watch him [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► just be an uncontrollable rage monster [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► but there's not a lot you can do with [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► that character he just he's like a [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► tornado week appears and destroys things [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► and then goes away but if you can give [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► him a little bit of intelligence that he [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► becomes a little bit more interesting [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► and then then he can become evil that [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► the classic TV series did a good job [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► with Hulk was just a rage monster you [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► know with Bill Bixby in blue free male 1 [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► yeah it dramatically it kind of cuts you [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► off from a lot of possibilities there [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► and it's true that series was difficult [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► because it was like I mean it was really [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► a repetitive show and i watched it as a [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► kid but I mean literally every week he [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► would just go to a town and befriend [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► somebody and the hawk would appear in a [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► crusading reporter would be chasing him [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► and you know it was it was kind of all [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► the same and a movie you know I think [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► yeah I think your little you need more [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► it's really interesting you know I'm [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► amazed that the Hulk is recognizable and [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► successful character as he is and has [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► had the spin-offs and created the [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► she-hulk and all these other things [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► because like a dinosaur in the sense [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► that little kids think the dinosaurs are [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► cool and you love looking at their [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► castles and the truth of the matter is [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► if you ran across a 12-foot tall lizard [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► that is capable of snapping you in half [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► like an hors d'oeuvre you'd be filled [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► with the combination of terror and [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► loathing and I I think maybe the whole [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► case the same way we're so long as Jesus [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► fictitious giant agent of chaos you know [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► you enjoy that he has other people [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► headaches and you just don't have to [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► examine it very closely and sometimes I [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► think the whole cause a better idea [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► better at you know on paper than in [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► practice just in general that it's a [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► cool idea and judiciously use which may [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► also be part of the trick of why it [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► works in the Avengers is that it's not a [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► movie about him and he can be a small [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► part of his kind of the garnish the [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► parsley of UV and it also helps that [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► microphone robert downey jr have worked [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► together before they've got a nice [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► chemistry [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► oh yeah that's the he's now because [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► banner and getting all about their [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► cameras yeah and the interaction between [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► banner and Tony Stark [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► yeah so you know I I'm you know I think [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► the Hulk is really a problematic [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► character and it's amazing but there's [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► obviously as my high school girlfriends [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► husband would attest you know he [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► obviously has some some huge appeal [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► because he's got he's got his fans and I [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► think maybe it has to do with these kind [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► of you know places where it goes off [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► into unexpected areas whether you're [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► sending them to another planet or you're [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► giving him [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► a job in Las Vegas and have and flipping [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► the whole thing on its head [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► you know that may be but again what does [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► that say about the character that the [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► most interesting things are when you da [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► ya from his from his scripted role you [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► have smart writers who are like what can [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► i do this to make this interesting and [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► it's not the core it's something very [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► different [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► what was he created what was about what [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► about what he was in the the 63 or 64 he [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► was one of the original you know Marvel [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► fantastic for spider-man 92 it's us so [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► it's the original marble wondering if [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► he's basically a relic of his time [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► because when you think about it we tend [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► to treat anti-heroes and heroes much [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► differently than when the Hawks not a [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► hero either right and he's not you know [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► he's basically chaotic neutral at best [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► candy alignment back back in the day [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► when it was a small Marvel Universe he [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► was the anti character who would appear [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► you don't fight the Fantastic Four he [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► would fight he was the cause of the [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► Avengers getting together raising the [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► Ultimate Universe he's basically doing [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► that too because Bruce Banner is just [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► this despicable tony little scientist [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► and he ends up being a lot more trouble [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► than he's worth especially as the Hulk [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► right it's actually I'm glad you brought [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► up ultimate Hulk because I think that's [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► a really sort of good writing of the [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► character in that he's justice you know [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► rage monster who goes around eating [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► people and and threatening sexual in [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► violence against folks Freddie Prinze [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► jr. and back and send some the shield [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► and the Ultimate Universe there-there [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► there-there basically just a bunch of [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► cold-hearted sob ease their entire mo [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► for keeping him alive until it's too [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► inconvenient for Bruce to be alive is [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► how can we use this to our advantage in [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► a world where you're getting invaded by [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► crazy aliens and there are despots and [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► so on and so forth and then the Ultimate [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► Universe they do try to kill him [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► it obviously doesn't take ya to right [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► it's it's a solution that's actually [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► another a lot of people who have very [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► strong feelings about the Ultimate [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► Universe one way or the other and one of [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► the things I've always enjoyed about the [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► ultimate is some [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► actually do kill people will be [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► different for tactical or strategic [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► reasons or because they're just jerk [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► wads and I've always up and we'll let [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► your words [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► oh yeah no and put that closes plot [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► loopholes that get introduced in other [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► you know mainstream books for you where [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► you can't have Captain America go [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► shooting people because he's captain [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► america or while the x-men can always [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► find magneto to a draw but no one is [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► ever going to blow his head off [TS]

00:37:37 ◼   ► um and I i like i like that the writers [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► and the ultimate books always had the [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► guts to close those loopholes even [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► though it makes for some depressing [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► reading after a while [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► yes but you end up ultimate Hulk big fan [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► that's president captain america to you [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► by the way oh so they've gone off the [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► rails a bit huh [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► I've only read the first two drives so [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► far so steve is technically only coming [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► in from the cold by the time I've got [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► around to it and you don't actually [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► bother going beyond those first two [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► trades of the I enjoy having read riches [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► a supervillain now that is that is [TS]

00:38:09 ◼   ► clever but i bet i'm basically sticking [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► with ultimate spider-man only but yeah [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► but uh I do like the idea that that [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► ultimate Reed Richards is a crazy bad [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► guy [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► oh yeah really big sense because they [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► made him socially maladaptive and smart [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► and you know it's it's it's a good [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► combination for people who are well I'm [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► smarter than you and I have a grudge so [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► here I go [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► so the have you seen the new [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► indestructible hulk series by Mark Waid [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► that I guess is currently on issue [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► number four I have this whole Marvel now [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► so the premise there is kind of playing [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► off the avengers movie [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► Steve or bruce banner has decided you [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► know he is one of the smartest guys on [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► the planet but because of this whole [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► raging Hulk monster thing he doesn't [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► have any respect and actually isn't [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► doing any good and you know you have [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► Tony Stark going out and doing all these [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► amazing things and Reed Richards you [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► know saving the world and he why can't [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► he do that so he goes to shield with an [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► offer that says essentially you give me [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► an unlimited budget and a staff and i [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► will give you like you know inventions [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► that will transform the planet and you [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► know feed the sick and all that kind of [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► stuff [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► and what you get out of it in return is [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► that you can use the Hulk as a strategic [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► bomb actually and so he's done this deal [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► but it's all about he feels inferior to [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► tony stark and wants to do something [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► about that tired of being the agent of [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► chaos and wants to right-center I can't [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► i be mr. science man so he's made this [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► deal where shield gets the house this [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► house like white thank him [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► yeah a bit yeah I can't him yeah since [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► one of hankgames problems other than [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► beating his wife is the fact that he's [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► definitely like a second-tier intellect [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► in a world that has a lot of very showy [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► first your intellect and the they hanged [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► him Bruce Banner thing always bugged me [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► because it's you know how many times can [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► we have the brilliant scientist well I [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► mean Reed Richards to right it's like [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► how many times is a brilliant scientist [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► with the personality problems course you [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► know banners personality problems tend [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► to like destroy cities so that's extreme [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► yeah and then kill multiple people so do [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► we have more on on the whole career we [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► walked out [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► are we are we slowly shrinking back into [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► our human form [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► honestly this discussion has made me [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► appreciate john byrne she-hulk more haha [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► no it has because there's a sense of [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► humor there and you can kind of here ok [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► here's another reason to appreciate it [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► and none of these writers came close to [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► it but if you take a look at a lot of [TS]

00:40:54 ◼   ► the x-men for example you've got some [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► very powerful female mutants and they're [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► all incredibly attractive and well [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► within like the normal parameters for [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► for the way women are supposed to look [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► you know they're all different [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► they feel a white look at bikini nicely [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► Emma or haha or even though they're just [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► adorable little mini dress Rachel [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► summers or or what have you [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► I can't we just say that Emma Frost is [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► basically just wearing lingerie now [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► she's even given up that [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► yeah treaties of it pants are for [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► suckers she says before because but [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► you've got somebody in she-hulk who is [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► basically this manifestation of you know [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► incredible uncompromising strength and [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► she falls a little bit outside the [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► parameters for attractiveness and you [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► burn makes her very attractive but he [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► also makes it clear that she's something [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► of a physical freak [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► it's an interesting commentary on on how [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► strong women or or extremely strong [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► women outside the parameters of social [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► of social acceptance are viewed and [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► treated in society and the choices they [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► have in dealing with it and I'm kind of [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► relieved in a way that they actually [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► play this is a community thing instead [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► of you know a serious meditation on [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► limited power and strength and blur blur [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► blur but I i find it interesting that [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► that was she hulk you actually have the [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► opportunity to have a character that can [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► make people think for a minute about ok [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► maybe one of the reasons is difficult [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► for is because she isn't five-foot-six [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► and filling out a black spandex catsuit [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► light like a Roman row or anything like [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► that you know she's seven feet tall and [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► she's got you know 15 inch wide [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► shoulders and and she's bright green [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► here's here's what I'd say about shield [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► because i always have been impressed [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► that shield is a character that is it [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► she's a woman whose big and strong and [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► athletic and has muscles and yet is you [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► know always portrayed as having feminine [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► qualities to die and i think that's good [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► because you know you don't I honestly I [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► think you don't see a lot of for trails [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► of characters like that they they tend [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► to be you know even women superheroes [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► like you said they tend to be more [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► shaped like supermodels [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► yeah and and there's a tendency that if [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► they're not that they're you know that [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► they're not considered i'm not i'm not [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► actually saying what I think i'm about [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► to say which is that [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► yay big strong muscle eat all women can [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► be treated bisect but as sex objects in [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► the comics to woo [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► but there is something at this is [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► backward feminism I realize but it's [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► like you know just because she's strong [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► and has muscles and install it doesn't [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► she [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► siren is not desirable just mean that [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► she's not a woman and an end it and and [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► drip dresses like a woman in it and is [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► and this has feminine aspects too i [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► think that's kind of cool that her [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► femininity is still intact even though [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► she's big and strong [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► this is my problem with Marvel movies [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► and things like that that was he like [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► you take a look and see the x-men movies [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► and you've got these women who were all [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► obviously models before they became [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► actors with with the exception of Abby [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► Anakin and I just keep thinking these [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► people babies these women are supposed [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► to be going [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► up against you know like the US Army or [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► or this horde of angry mutants and [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► they're all soft and willowy and super [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► good they can be snapped in half by a [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► pretzel stick which because they could [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► but yeah yeah yeah and you know what you [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► think about the Avengers is kind of the [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► same thing where I mean scarlett [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► johansson is is not exactly wave-like [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► and she feels that a black cap sit [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► nicely but she's not what she doesn't [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► look like something you know she's not [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► built like somebody who who obviously [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► spends a lot of their time breaking [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► people's snapping people's necks with [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► her thighs or whatever raise the black [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► was supposed to be able to do so the the [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► second series of the sensational Sherri [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► Colburn came back which is a issues 31 [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► through 50 they play on that a bit more [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► were essentially because of various [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► things happening in issues g ends up [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► being naked in a lot of them and most of [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► the time turns to burnish I don't care [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► how many more copies this is going to [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► sell [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► yeah I i had not doing it including the [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► cover of issue 40 what you're looking at [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► right now has heard naked on the cover [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► but she's sort of covering herself up [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► with the comics code Authority label [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► funny and burns hand is coming in from [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► off-screen holding a jump rope and she's [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► saying hey no you're kidding right look [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► if you say quit stalling we've got 22 [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► pages to fill all god that's funny i [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► just looked it up in the first six [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► phases Jess you can pick you up [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► apparently naked jen complaints a [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► respected superheroes being reduced this [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► due to a simple joke she made the [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► letters column all my lord mayor of the [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► Avengers it's it's a it gets pretty [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► funny [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► that's great and and then throw in the [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► shower after that [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► good lord busy great we've learned more [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► about the shithole [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► well yes that she's apparently allergic [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► to cards if your stomach is any [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► indication oh that's delightful she's [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► got the gamma induced metabolism that [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► just can't be [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► yeah i think the district's reading the [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► dance lot story now it feels a little [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► bit more dated to me in some ways like I [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► know you were saying that the burn stuff [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► feels very eighties [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► it looks very eighties but the writing [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► is not if that makes sense [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► yeah it's like when you watch them would [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► be singing in the rain it feels kind of [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► modern even though this very obviously [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► made the nineteen fifties its yeah [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► Andy's comics feel like home to me so [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► sure [TS]

00:46:17 ◼   ► so I i happen to like them but i think [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► that the burn series every now and [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► probably every three or four years I i [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► pick it up off the shelf and read it [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► again and enjoy it every time [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► oh yeah so should we move on and talk a [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► little bit about what we're reading [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► short I'm embarrassed to say I have i [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► don't think i've read much since the [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► last time we talked yes I I've read [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► something in the last time this is [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► really my excuse to say that i want to [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► thank you i think Jason for recommending [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► in our last comic book club recommending [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► Hawkeye oh yeah Matt Fraction yeah [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► you're liking it so let me let liking it [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► i have purchased and read every single [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► issue of it [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► yeah Matt Fraction Hawkeye the new [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► series for Marvel up to what is it now i [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► think i think it's up to issue a team [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► out [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► yeah I cannot begin to describe how much [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► i love Hawkeye and I you know that don't [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► you feel weird saying that are you [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► reading this on the ipad i am reading it [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► on the ipad i know it is a bizarre [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► statement i cannot Jason I can't believe [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► I'm even saying these words because it's [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► Hawkeye come on i remember in the West [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► Coast Avengers and bought with [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► Mockingbird and all that the Hawkeye [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► Matt Fraction series is so great it is [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► one of the best comics i have read in [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► the last decade [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► it is so great so i recommend to anybody [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► i think the first trade is coming out [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► this month next month soon yet i think [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► the first rates like next month order go [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► get it when I will get them or just or [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► just by the demon Marvel does a good job [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► with the discounting is older issues on [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► comixology so the older issues are like [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► 199 or something like that [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► I i can't recommend it highly enough let [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► me count the ways I know Jason talked [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► about this a little bit too [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► in our last conquer club it you know the [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► idea is it's when he's not with [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► Avengers it's like dealing with problems [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► in his personal life and he's kind of [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► ammo piece kind of a kind of a schlub of [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► a guy other than that he's got his super [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► arrow powers and he only has the [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► superhero powers right so people can [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► like beat him up and unless he can shoot [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► him with an arrow there's not a lot he [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► can do and so it's his like personal [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► like almost every issue starts out with [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► him saying okay this looks bad and Renee [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► resolves what's going on that has led [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► him to this point the so story-wise it's [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► great because it's me it's their mundane [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► elements and then mixed in with kind of [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► crime and superhero elements so in the [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► first issue there is the these kind of [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► read Russian mobsters who are doing kind [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► of like a shakedown on the people in his [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► apartment building and there's a dog [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► that he's trying to take to the vet and [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► and it's a thing of beauty in the world [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► so so I love the story aspect of Hawkeye [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► but the other thing i want to talk about [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► is the is the the art and the design of [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► the comic because it's yeah and the [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► coloring it's amazing so the covers are [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► beautiful the covers are just i mean the [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► the covers alone are worth it because [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► they are these beautifully designed [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► images on these covers it's not like any [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► other comic cover you're going to see [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► and then the way the issues are built [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► the the style of the art style the [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► panels are a lot of blocky panel sort of [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► like you know three rows of three that [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► happy you get that a lot that the art [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► style is a little bit rough but but [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► really really nice in its own way and [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► and you've got to see it to understand [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► it but it's really very stylized and yet [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► really inviting and then the coloring is [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► the most amazing thing because Hawkeyes [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► a purple superhero right which can be [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► problematic not everybody likes purple [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► but the way this issue these comics are [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► colored is there in shades of purple [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► it's very monochromatic Lee colored [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► important as compact as old uniform [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► exactly and it's and it's and it's been [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► the color alone is so amazingly [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► beautiful and it's because of the [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► palette and and and the colors that get [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► chosen and and it's it doesn't look like [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► any comic that I've seen recently [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► certainly mainstream comic and that sort [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► of my bottom line about when I as I'm [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► raving about Hawkeye here is that this [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► is a marvel comic said in the marvel [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► universe with a character who's in the [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► Avengers which is the number one Marvel [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► property right now and it reads like an [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► indie comic about sort of you know again [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► satirizing things on the edge of [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► superhero tropes it never feels like [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► it's not taking its its characters and [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► situations seriously you know it's not a [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► self it's not a parody but it's very [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► knowing about all those tropes and it's [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► trying to tell some interesting stories [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► out on the edges and I'm kind of amazed [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► that it's being published by Marvel [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► because that's an act of confidence in [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► that fraction but it's it is it really [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► is astounding i was i was blown away [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► when i started to read because it was [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► not what I expected and it in it and [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► it's good in so many on so many [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► different axes it's good in art and [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► color and story and dialogue the [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► dialogue is laugh-out-loud funny i had [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► to read dialogue from the comic to my [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► wife because she was looking at me like [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► why are you laughing so hard at because [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► just the dialogue is funny so you know [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► again I can't say if you're if you're [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► somebody who likes comics good comics [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► you should you should read this matt [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► fraction Hawkeye because it's it's a [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► really really good comics oh thank you [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► Jason for recommending it I I took your [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► recommendation and checked it out and [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► then I could have stopped because it its [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► it's yeah it's great it's it's shocking [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► how good you would never imagine that a [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► comic about Hawkeye would be that good [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► yeah it's great it's beautiful it and in [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► the storytelling isn't isn't always [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► linear which is also nice that a lot of [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► coming back and forth it's not it's not [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► a dumb comments a very smart comment [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► that requires attention and and is very [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► rewarding it's yeah it's really good so [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► excited about this guy yes you couldn't [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► believe you're excited about Hawkeye but [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► there you are right side pocket [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► I like to meet again this is my team I [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► like him in the ultimates [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► I like the way they run the ultimate [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► essentially now the marvel universe is [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► what they did in the ultimate [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► practically Yeah Yeah right down to Nick [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► Fury jr. right now is just Nick Fury [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► except black and looks like Samuel [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► Jackson it's really disconcerting [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► actually to go back to the the ultimate [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► books that they wrote back before they [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► started making all the Marvel movies it [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► and realize how the Nick Fury character [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► doesn't doesn't look like Sam Jackson [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► and then when you see him play dive at [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► the time I sort of mix them up my hands [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► like but why does the comic not like [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► samuel l jackson to put depending on on [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► the portrayal of my understanding is [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► that the nick fury and ultimate was they [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► actually called Samuel Jackson up and [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► said you know would you like to be in a [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► comic because we've got this ultimate [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► experience we wanted to look like you [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► and he was like that's awesome yeah [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► semi comics I believe he's actually got [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► a couple of the layout pages frame that [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► was yeah the Apocrypha that I had heard [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► that the artist yeah it's it's not quite [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► an exact you know you don't go there [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► there's a vague resemblance to sam [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► jackson in the early ultimate stuff and [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► ultimate spider-man he's a he's a dead [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► ringer I thought in the ultimate she was [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► a dead ringer too and not quite as much [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► i went back and looked at it I found the [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► books and dug them out and looked at him [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► again just like in my head I remember [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► Thor looking more like Brad Pitt in [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► there but no more likely a brad Pitt in [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► a try [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► yeah there are a lot of shots of him [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► like that I i think what happened is [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► that you know he looked like the idea of [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► if Samuel Jackson was nick fury and then [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► Samuel Jackson became actual Nick Fury [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► and now so it's by a different standard [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► now that we've seen him exactly actually [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► being hearing as opposed to just like [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► hey that's kinda like if what is samuel [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► l jackson with Nick Fury well now he is [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► actually is it wrong to say Samuel [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► Jackson's little bit more heavy set then [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► he appears as nick fury in the comics [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► that maybe you know that was a long time [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► ago he was 10 years younger back then [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► he's got fatter facetime well he's won [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► 16 but he's still yeah he's still Sam [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► Jackson so you know he's still just [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► peaceful Nick Fury yeah so Lisa what are [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► you reading [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► I went and read the rebooted Ultimates [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► haha that i read the first two trade [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► paperbacks and what I really liked about [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► them was a reed richards supervillain [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► yep i also enjoy the floor appears to be [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► losing his mind but and i also enjoyed [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► the Tony Stark has a sentient brain [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► tumor that he talks to no no no it's [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► it's it's it's good that they're [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► sticking with that because that was how [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► they introduced ultimate iron man was [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► that he was dying and he was from doing [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► things as sort of part of his it's kind [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► of like well whatever I got nothing to [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► lose and I and then the net and then [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► they were like well maybe not [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► not really but i don't think that [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► it'sit's I don't know if it's just a [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► question of that mälaren hitch [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► I'm not this time oh no this is the [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► right this is the reason you ultimate [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► comics right yeah this is the reboot [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► that was that was published fairly [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► recently after the weird and cataclysmic [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► events that closed out the Ultimate [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► Universe the last time up to and [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► including the lost being eaten by the [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► blob and other end and that Christianity [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► many many people drowning inexplicably [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► and bit with it you know honestly the [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► end of that reminded me of like what [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► happens when a bunch of eight-year-olds [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► have gotten really tired of playing GI [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► Joe yes has to go home I don't like what [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► we need to wrap this up you know yet [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► exactly [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► uh-huh okay Jonathan Hickman looks like [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► so yeah and it's not like the writing is [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► bad it's it's a really nice tight story [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► and there's enough hooks in there that [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► will let maintain momentum and so on and [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► so forth but i don't know if it's just [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► because I've already read through one [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► ultimate series that I'm like a you know [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► the Shocker rebooter who the shock of [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► putting these characters in slightly [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► different context um there isn't the [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► same that's there isn't the same [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► prasanna of of surprise or intrigue it's [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► just kind of again you kind of get the [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► feeling that it's a bunch of people [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► playing with the little characters and [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► oh wouldn't it be funny if if or loses [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► his mind after Valhalla is sucked it is [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► is sucked into Reed Richards magic space [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► city [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► the original Ultimates felt like [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► something really different that we [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► haven't seen before right but it was [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► like busy this isn't the Avengers it's [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► the ultimate sand it's a very different [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► conception and now it sort of feels like [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► it's the Avengers this the originals had [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► this almost as realpolitik going on with [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► yes where are these people weren't [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► exactly superheroes they were people who [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► happen to be on the right side of [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► history of the right side of politics at [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► the time being something almost kind of [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► sinister about it's a government kind of [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► setup and and and we're gonna hate it [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► it's very much if you go back and read [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► those malhar hitch ultimate series is [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► it's a it feels very much more in [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► Afghanistan HW Bush president at the [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► time it's it's it's of its time the same [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► way where if you go back and read their [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► their take on the authority that's it's [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► pretty much you could read those [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► back-to-back basic yeah you're right [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► actually I'm follow that you're exactly [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► right and and this time out it's got [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► more money to feeling to it and it feels [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► a little franchise ready if that makes [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► sense like as they like this they do it [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► you could tell they were already kind of [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► mentally cast in the movie or or how [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► they could change this changes into [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► movie treatment so I'm not sorry I read [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► the books but i'm not sure i'm going to [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► be continued with consideration and I [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► got a bunch of nonfiction graphic novels [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► for Christmas so i'm probably gonna be [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► diving into those next to read the [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► record time if you haven't yet i should [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► it's on my wrist it's on my wishes i [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► love i love that book so much we're [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► gonna we're gonna do that was broadcast [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► you need to i'm really good for about 14 [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► kind of afraid of it because i really [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► love the novel so much I mean that was [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► one of the formative most of my [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► childhood I'm kind of afraid to see what [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► they're going to do with it because if [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► they get it wrong i'm just gonna cut [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► somebody I think it's a I think it's [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► incredibly faithful so but you know it [TS]

00:58:29 ◼   ► she does have to envision what those [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► things look like but I think she did a [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► really good job to you should you should [TS]

00:58:34 ◼   ► check that out because i wanna i want to [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► do a episode about the book and the [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► graphic novel in a few min max three [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► months what I've started reading is AD [TS]

00:58:43 ◼   ► New Orleans after the delusion deluge by [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► Josh new field and it's a work of it [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► sits up a nonfiction graphic novel about [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► the Diaspora out of new orleans at [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► katrina and it's really quite good he [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► does a lot of really nice work with [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► color to help you follow through [TS]

00:58:59 ◼   ► people's narrative so you can see the [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► common threads through people's [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► experiences so you can keep track what's [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► happening to people is there either [TS]

00:59:05 ◼   ► trapped in the Superdome or their [TS]

00:59:07 ◼   ► flooded out their own building or [TS]

00:59:09 ◼   ► they're hitting hitting the backgrounds [TS]

00:59:11 ◼   ► trying desperately to get the area it's [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► not a light read so it's not something i [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► recommend you read after a bad day at [TS]

00:59:18 ◼   ► work along there what have you but it's [TS]

00:59:20 ◼   ► it's definitely something i'm enjoying [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► reading into small chunks and putting it [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► all together we're almost at a time but [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► I have to ask Jason Brackman because he [TS]

00:59:27 ◼   ► blew me away last time with Hawkeye what [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► Jason what are you reading [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► so it's interesting that lisa is reading [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► The Ultimates by hickman which I [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► actually found pretty disappointing [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► because my ticket book i'm reading now [TS]

00:59:41 ◼   ► that i'm really liking is that the new [TS]

00:59:43 ◼   ► series of adventures by hickman are and [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► if you read his fantastic four run which [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► was spent which was fantastic it it was [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► cosmic an epic and he's really great at [TS]

00:59:57 ◼   ► those cosmic kind of stories and I [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► thought oh how is he gonna do with that [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► thought oh how is he gonna do with that [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► jurors that's not to be they're not very [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► cosmic but he's got a cosmic story going [TS]

01:00:04 ◼   ► on adventures now that's blowing me away [TS]

01:00:06 ◼   ► with how great it is there an issue 6 or [TS]

01:00:11 ◼   ► 7 or I think seven just came out today [TS]

01:00:13 ◼   ► and they're playing to my 80s nostalgia [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► and bringing back the new universe which [TS]

01:00:21 ◼   ► was the big Marvel 25th anniversary [TS]

01:00:24 ◼   ► thing in 1987 that they did but doing it [TS]

01:00:28 ◼   ► really really interesting way huh so [TS]

01:00:33 ◼   ► it's it's the the new series essentially [TS]

01:00:35 ◼   ► starts out with Tony Stark and Steve [TS]

01:00:39 ◼   ► Rogers having a conversation about the [TS]

01:00:41 ◼   ► world is is bigger and more complicated [TS]

01:00:43 ◼   ► and the threats are bigger and so the [TS]

01:00:45 ◼   ► Avengers have to get bigger and so now [TS]

01:00:49 ◼   ► they invite everybody on to the Avenger [TS]

01:00:51 ◼   ► so it's got like cannonball and sunspot [TS]

01:00:53 ◼   ► from the new mr. on the Avengers and all [TS]

01:00:57 ◼   ► these characters are never seen before [TS]

01:00:59 ◼   ► or on the Avengers and they're fighting [TS]

01:01:01 ◼   ► this big epic cosmic stuff but just like [TS]