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Roderick on the Line

Ep. 279: "Mr. Hot Tub"

 

01:00:00   he's definitely shaking and when I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   them in 1999 I thought it was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:03   terrific there there was a there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:08   famous moment indelibly burned into my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:10   head of us on tour with Death Cab in 98 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:19   hurricane hurricane and we're in Arizona [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:24   we're at a show in you know like at at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:28   some strip mall in Phoenix and death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:34   cabs on stage and it's not a stage right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:37   it's like a cement floor dais [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:40   yeah where they took the PA or they took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   the they took like your practice PA but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:45   they turned it around to the audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:46   and we're we're there watching them play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:50   and their merch guy a guy named little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:53   Rob everybody just called him little Rob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:56   Li L he starts to do the Ben Gibbard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3656">TS</a>]

01:01:03   guitar dance and you know we're at weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:09   view of the stage and he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   perfectly but he's not even looking at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:14   the stage he's got his back to them but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:17   he's just perfectly doing that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:20   thing that you're describing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:22   shuffle swing it is like he's spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:26   slightly back and his shoulders are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:28   moving in compliment with the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:30   his hips are moving with a very wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   open posture mm-hmm and the guitar is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:35   component of it and it's yeah it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:38   it's like Elvis if you left all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:41   hangers in this in his suits and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:46   it's just like we all from that point on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:49   we all tried to perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   after seeing will Rob do such a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:53   job of it we all try to perfect our Ben [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55   Gibbard dance and I think there's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:58   think I'll I'll hop into it once or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:00   twice during a set just it just is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:03   little homage or the tip of the hat to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:06   little kind of like one two one two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:09   I think I think that the the music video [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:12   for flock of seagulls the the first two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:14   videos they caused such a sensation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3734">TS</a>]

01:02:16   because of that guy's hair yeah that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3736">TS</a>]

01:02:19   he's remembered for having the swoopy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:21   hair from the second video but in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:22   first one oh god there's a phrase I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:25   can't use anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:25   um more art school hair one would say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:29   and and yeah that meet me at McDonald's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:32   kind of haircut he's got like the he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:33   got the swirly I can kind of up on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:35   and then you got the camera with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:36   garbage bag like garbage bags in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:38   video well that was a that was an easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:40   special effect to use in garbage bags [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:45   and then you take a couple of box fans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:48   [Laughter] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:52   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:54   you can't see me doing this he's holding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:56   down like like in like a probably an a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3776">TS</a>]

01:02:59   with one finger and then he's the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:02   fingers way up in the air but there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:10   been that had three great Tunes oh yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:13   this is love song is legitimately good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   song but they're like not in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:17   they're not thought of in that serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:20   rank of 80s you know they're those songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22   are as good as any Gary Numan tune oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:25   see yeah yeah I get what you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27   yeah yeah we're like there was this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   Rat King of like especially English like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:31   new wave bands and New Romantic bands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:33   and like some of them are much it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:36   cooler to still like this band than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:38   band I mean it's hard I mean you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:41   soft-sell was serious but Culture Club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:46   was not and it's a little and it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:49   lot to do with hair style that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3829">TS</a>]

01:03:52   now maybe even now with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:54   proliferation Altima proliferation of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:57   images that we have I think you would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3837">TS</a>]

01:04:02   less influenced by how a band looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:05   then we were in 1983 watching those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:08   music videos discount something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:11   a third rail but should be discussed at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:14   least living in Florida I am NOT proud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:16   of this by a longshot but there was also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:18   a lot of consideration about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:22   I don't know how to use this word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:24   whether they seemed gay and I don't mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:27   that they they like people of the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29   gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:29   sexually I just meant they're people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:32   like the people who are listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:33   Lynyrd Skynyrd would see that you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   into mark almond and that seemed kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:36   gay and I think I think that had a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3876">TS</a>]

01:04:39   effect in a lot of ways even with like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:42   Duran Duran like you like oh these guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:43   are so fruity and that was you'd feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:46   like a little East I felt like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:47   twinge of like oh I don't know if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:48   okay to be into this Dan because they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:50   not tough and cool which is weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   considering that Bon Jovi you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:56   there's an awful lot of signaling in Bon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3896">TS</a>]

01:05:00   Jovi that is directed at you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3900">TS</a>]

01:05:04   like the the transition that bands made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:07   to because I mean even Van Halen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:10   absolutely in the mid 70s you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:12   there's that famous story where van [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:15   Halen played like big day out in Texas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:18   where all the other bands were Molly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:21   Hatchet and ZZ Top and it was they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:25   probably seemed everybody but Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:26   probably seems very androgynous for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   time well it freaked him out the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:31   the folks in Texas who were just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:32   that rock and roll concert and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:35   like everybody else was in denim and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37   cowboy boots right and out comes van [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   Halen just like yeah yeah you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:49   very very like unapologetically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51   California at the very least but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:54   think there was also I mean music was so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:58   it was so siloed the difference between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:02   a band that was for girls and for boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:05   was really big for me like I had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:10   really hard this is one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:12   one of the reasons that I never got into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:15   the Smiths was I just felt like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:17   Smiths was my sister's band and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3977">TS</a>]

01:06:21   style of singing in that style of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:23   looking and that style of being was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3983">TS</a>]

01:06:27   pandering to girls and it wasn't serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:31   it wasn't like serious minded because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3991">TS</a>]

01:06:35   was so true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:36   parents to me that it was meant to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:40   teenage girls cry and I could I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:45   not in and it might have been a hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:47   percent different if I had known one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:49   person who said this is really serious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:52   music but as it was it was just like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:56   just felt it felt like the Smiths were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4016">TS</a>]

01:07:01   pandering were like a were an extension [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:03   of Duran Duran right you think you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:06   about like Paul Young would be one you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   already know Culture Club Paul Young but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:11   you know Paul Young had some really some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:12   some pretty like was a song I don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4032">TS</a>]

01:07:15   come back and like he had some really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   good pop songs and he did that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:19   weird Joy Division cover but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4039">TS</a>]

01:07:22   right there were there were ones that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4042">TS</a>]

01:07:23   felt like there were bands for boys and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:24   pants for girls right you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:26   that's Steely Dan being an extreme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:28   example but yeah I totally agree but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:33   like now when you look back like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:34   do seem to be these bands that like in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:36   retrospect I think a huge one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:38   nobody talks about much is like screw D [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:39   politi but there are these bands that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:41   age surprisingly well that like at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:44   time you might have thought oh this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:45   pretty pretty light light pop but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47   know it does stand up we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:49   this once before was it here on another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:51   show where I made this playlist of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:53   I'll put it in well we don't have chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:54   for the show I'll put it in anyway but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:56   list of like a new wave that still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:57   stands up in my opinion like where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:59   songs have good bones or where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:01   doing something that was new and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:03   substantial like I think there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:05   still so much stuff from there but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:06   you're right that the gender stuff and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:08   the sexual politics stuff was was giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:10   I mean like you're not gonna want the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4090">TS</a>]

01:08:13   time you could not be a straight guy in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:15   Florida who was really into Tom Robinson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4095">TS</a>]

01:08:16   band publicly like that was not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:19   haircut 100 is an example of a band that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:22   was really very very very put together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:27   that's that a lot going on like stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:30   going on totally but like a but but yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:34   there were a million reasons why you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:35   would look at that and say that's a band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37   for girls absolutely in fact it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:40   there were even then like I was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:43   into the song so you know there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   always it was always like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:49   you could go either way and I think I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:51   always even when flock of seagulls was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:53   the most reviled I could not get away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:57   from the power of their hooks I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4137">TS</a>]

01:09:00   what they were doing I mean they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:02   doing what they intended to do very well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   you know here's another one I'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:06   gonna send it I don't know I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   what the critical reputation at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:09   point is this is as much - Trevor Horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:11   as anybody but go back and listen to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:13   title song from the look of love by ABC [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:15   that's a look that's the look the look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:17   of love is such a very finely crafted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:20   and executed pop song it's it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:23   parts it's got hooks and hooks and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:25   hooks it's it's just it's it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:27   beautiful I don't say a masterpiece but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29   it's such a piece of work as a pop song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:31   I know it I know it's probably true but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:34   I could ABC was in my list of no thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:37   you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:38   right right over there with men without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:39   hats I didn't want either thing and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:45   didn't matter how much you you said like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:48   ABC they're amazing because I knew they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:49   were even then you could tell that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:51   were like dynamite yeah but I can't tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:55   me how Hollywood another Trevor Horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4195">TS</a>]

01:10:02   joint loved Frankie just the honking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:05   this cuz that was just a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:07   later that was like what 84 85 well no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:09   because Frankie had so much attitude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:12   they said relax and it felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:15   watching them at least felt like a like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:18   a gang like Adam in the ants right where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:20   Frankie him Frankie and they seemed is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:22   he dangerous fouling the neighborhood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:26   but they were also like super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4226">TS</a>]

01:10:28   unapologetically gay and openly gay in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:30   way that was aggressively gay that took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4230">TS</a>]

01:10:33   that was like headline-grabbing mmm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:36   and it just felt like yeah fuck you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4236">TS</a>]

01:10:37   that's right goddamn right and I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:39   felt like their Tunes were were I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:43   it's hard to say they were I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4243">TS</a>]

01:10:45   truth is like again Trevor Horn like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4245">TS</a>]

01:10:47   stuff that that guy has done for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4247">TS</a>]

01:10:49   bands is you know in that case I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:51   nothing against the Frankie Goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:53   Hollywood band there they're very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:54   interesting they had a great look but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:55   like their songs we're not particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:57   substantial but like they have to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4257">TS</a>]

01:10:59   that a great sound that a great sound [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4259">TS</a>]

01:11:02   and they and that's exactly that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:04   right the sound was great like the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:06   that the way that their big hit kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:10   trails off at the end was the last thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:12   you hear is like sounds of files and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:14   sound of miles ABBA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4274">TS</a>]

01:11:15   Babbitt did like two tribes I'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:19   two tribes necessarily hangs together as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:22   a great political statement but like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4282">TS</a>]

01:11:24   was so big it was so big right if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:27   sat down and tried to play it on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:28   acoustic guitar I don't seven-inch of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4288">TS</a>]

01:11:42   emotions obsession obsession [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:45   I bought the 7-inch and everything about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:48   it like at that point in my life there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4308">TS</a>]

01:11:51   is no way I should have bought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:52   7-inch of that record because I hated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4312">TS</a>]

01:11:55   that music video they're freaky they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4315">TS</a>]

01:11:57   I mean they're like there's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4317">TS</a>]

01:11:59   wrong can be pretty campy but but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:01   the way they're looking at you that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:02   camera is just like no no no don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:04   invite those people into your house but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4324">TS</a>]

01:12:06   put the tune I just really liked it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:10   I couldn't I couldn't explain it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4330">TS</a>]

01:12:12   wouldn't defend it it's very catchy yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:15   I never would have told a friend that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:17   had it towed up Berlin pleasure and pre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:20   pre pre top gun pleasure victim era [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:24   Berlin one of the great bands they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4344">TS</a>]

01:12:27   that ep I think was an EP with the sex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:31   i'ma song on it and then they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4351">TS</a>]

01:12:33   pleasure victim I think masquerade is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4353">TS</a>]

01:12:36   very good song I think I think that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4356">TS</a>]

01:12:38   before its time that was some very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4358">TS</a>]

01:12:39   strong music it's super strong and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:42   thing about it is that whole record I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:46   talking about when this is this is way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:50   way not we're not talking about the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:54   Top Gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:54   version of Berlin that still seems like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:58   it feels like years after I stopped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4378">TS</a>]

01:13:00   listening to Berlin but I guess it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4380">TS</a>]

01:13:02   like a year after I was really into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4382">TS</a>]

01:13:04   Berlin but that the their record love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:06   life which came out in 84 but which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:09   didn't wanna get into until 80 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4389">TS</a>]

01:13:13   seven even that record and it's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:18   that has no more words oh that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4398">TS</a>]

01:13:20   song but the whole record is good it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4400">TS</a>]

01:13:24   just Oh dancing in Berlin that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:26   song yeah it's good it's just like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:28   major years wait so it's two years after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:31   pleasure pleasure if it comes 1982 dude [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4411">TS</a>]

01:13:34   no oh the metro oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4414">TS</a>]

01:13:38   I remember hating you for loving me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4418">TS</a>]

01:13:42   what that was as influential on me as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:44   cars by Gary Numan I mean I know for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4424">TS</a>]

01:13:47   or for me Adam in the ants these like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4427">TS</a>]

01:13:48   just unabashedly melodramatic songs I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4428">TS</a>]

01:13:51   just hate him with a spoon they sounded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4431">TS</a>]

01:13:54   like the future absolutely that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4434">TS</a>]

01:13:57   because what was happening in metal at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4437">TS</a>]

01:13:59   that time was was that everybody had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:02   gone to pentatonic or everybody had gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:05   to this idea this like this dead-end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:09   idea that without what metal was gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4449">TS</a>]

01:14:11   be was classical music the classical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4451">TS</a>]

01:14:14   music of art and the new weight stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4454">TS</a>]

01:14:16   was definitely on point but it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:18   was consolidating into something very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:19   very tight and not particularly weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4459">TS</a>]

01:14:22   but it was it was getting I mean like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:24   mean what do you say about iron made one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4464">TS</a>]

01:14:26   from that time like this stuff was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4466">TS</a>]

01:14:27   amazing it was amazing but it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:29   feel like the future right it felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:33   a height of what had happened before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4473">TS</a>]

01:14:35   so like it was it was still connected to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4475">TS</a>]

01:14:38   dungeons and dragons it felt like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4478">TS</a>]

01:14:41   like our music probably same for Judas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4481">TS</a>]

01:14:46   Priest maybe yeah I think so it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4486">TS</a>]

01:14:48   like leather and studs and like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4488">TS</a>]

01:14:51   this is music about dragons whereas and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4491">TS</a>]

01:14:58   a lot of New Wave just felt like oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4498">TS</a>]

01:14:59   is just pop music with keyboards but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:01   some tunes and I feel like flock of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:04   seagulls in Berlin fall into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4504">TS</a>]

01:15:06   category captured the feeling of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4506">TS</a>]

01:15:10   future where where it felt cold that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:14   that's that's where Gary Numan kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:15   takes the cake yeah it just feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4515">TS</a>]

01:15:17   oh shit that you know like what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:20   future is scary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4520">TS</a>]

01:15:21   it's scary because it doesn't feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:25   like there it doesn't feel like there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:27   are any blankets there and and I and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4527">TS</a>]

01:15:31   it's not just the music videos like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4531">TS</a>]

01:15:33   in the music yeah the dissonant like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4533">TS</a>]

01:15:37   squeaky they were very dissonant squeaky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4537">TS</a>]

01:15:40   keyboards at that time could sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:41   be very very upsetting but like they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4541">TS</a>]

01:15:44   a they had a very strong effect on me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4544">TS</a>]

01:15:45   and that yeah and there and the idea I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:47   think that got into my head forever that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:51   there should be a note droning somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4551">TS</a>]

01:15:54   which is actually something thrown back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:57   to the Blues you know it like like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4557">TS</a>]

01:16:00   it's Apalachin to have what I mean like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:06   there's some I'm trying to think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:07   bands you take a song like I want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4567">TS</a>]

01:16:09   masquerade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:10   but the riffs would be very dissonant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4570">TS</a>]

01:16:13   and yet incredibly catchy a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:15   time or something like in like with Gary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4575">TS</a>]

01:16:16   knew me take some like cars or even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:18   earlier you take down in the park you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:20   take a two-way army song song and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4580">TS</a>]

01:16:22   there's the two-way arm it was menacing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4582">TS</a>]

01:16:24   like they do you talk about the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:26   without blankets title that's that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:28   just feels like oh my god does this post [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:31   Kraftwerk future we're gonna live in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:32   where everything's just gonna be metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:34   walls it's just that's such a feeling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4594">TS</a>]

01:16:36   it of like this is this is not something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:38   we've experienced before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:39   yeah I'm gonna be alone and no one's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4599">TS</a>]

01:16:41   ever gonna smile and if you and if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4601">TS</a>]

01:16:43   say you know if we say the wrong words [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4603">TS</a>]

01:16:45   like everyone's head is gonna turn yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4605">TS</a>]

01:16:49   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4609">TS</a>]

01:16:51   sure like music and you're gonna you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:54   gonna have a lot of mascara on I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4614">TS</a>]

01:17:01   think you can ever run out of mascara it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4621">TS</a>]

01:17:02   was not cool at all to like Adam well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:06   see I always thought I still call him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:07   out him in the ants too like Adam the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4627">TS</a>]

01:17:08   ants when I like that in the ants was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4628">TS</a>]

01:17:10   extremely not cool in Central Florida [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4630">TS</a>]

01:17:12   well even up into then in some ways it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4632">TS</a>]

01:17:15   was even more embarrassing when Friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4635">TS</a>]

01:17:16   or Foe got popular because I was into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4636">TS</a>]

01:17:18   Kingsley well frontier and Prince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:20   Charming we're like whoa Stanton deliver [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:23   was my favorite song for probably five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4643">TS</a>]

01:17:24   years a great tune it's a good song and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4644">TS</a>]

01:17:27   they had two drummers and they dressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4647">TS</a>]

01:17:28   like pirates and like what are they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4648">TS</a>]

01:17:30   doing with all that makeup and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4650">TS</a>]

01:17:31   Friend or Foe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:32   I mean it really was kind of like Tiger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4652">TS</a>]

01:17:35   Beat material in some ways was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:36   very good song with a great band [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4656">TS</a>]

01:17:38   but like then was even more embarrassing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:39   because like oh yeah I knew you liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4659">TS</a>]

01:17:40   this obscure English band but now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4660">TS</a>]

01:17:42   really understand what this band is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4662">TS</a>]

01:17:44   you like this is not very Molly Hatchet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:47   I feel like the I feel like it's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4667">TS</a>]

01:17:50   example of like Adam Ant had so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:54   attitude toward the camera mm-hmm like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:57   he was very he was very beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4677">TS</a>]

01:17:59   telegenic yeah just right in your face [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4679">TS</a>]

01:18:02   with it and I I could never give I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4682">TS</a>]

01:18:07   I could never hate that like even even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:09   in the darkest time of like if it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:12   metal it's not music his like pure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4692">TS</a>]

01:18:17   swagger and that was what I that was why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:19   I didn't like simply red why I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4699">TS</a>]

01:18:21   like Tears for Fears was that they there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4701">TS</a>]

01:18:24   wasn't swagger it looked like they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4704">TS</a>]

01:18:27   you know they were trying to seem deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4707">TS</a>]

01:18:30   and I didn't respond to that as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:34   I did like Here I am like and why I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4714">TS</a>]

01:18:41   could never ever ever hate on George [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4721">TS</a>]

01:18:43   Michael even at the even I'm just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4723">TS</a>]

01:18:47   little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:47   even when wham was ludicrous raps the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:51   lamb rap song you think that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:52   little silly at the time I mean it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4732">TS</a>]

01:18:54   like I was listening to those records [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4734">TS</a>]

01:18:55   but I didn't I didn't look at George [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4735">TS</a>]

01:18:58   Michael and have contempt for him he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   wasn't you weren't offended I wasn't no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:02   well no I I felt like yeah there it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4742">TS</a>]

01:19:05   like he's he's owning he's owning that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4745">TS</a>]

01:19:07   space and that was and that was a I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4747">TS</a>]

01:19:10   think there was a lot I mean I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4750">TS</a>]

01:19:12   like Frank Zappa at all but I love Frank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4752">TS</a>]

01:19:15   Zappa oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4755">TS</a>]

01:19:16   you know the idea of Frank Zappa is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:21   strong the idea of Frank Zappa the smell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:25   of Frank Zappa is something I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:30   to consider right I don't because I my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4770">TS</a>]

01:19:33   sense is that that Frank had a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4773">TS</a>]

01:19:35   sex mmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4775">TS</a>]

01:19:37   and that it was and and potentially even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:40   largely monogamous but he was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:43   somebody who was gonna go like shower [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4783">TS</a>]

01:19:46   before oh I see what you're saying I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:49   think about that sometimes I think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4789">TS</a>]

01:19:50   smells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:51   yeah yeah I'm sensitive to smells you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4791">TS</a>]

01:19:53   know I've got a rash no because I spent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4793">TS</a>]

01:19:57   some time in hot tubs recently oh no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4797">TS</a>]

01:19:59   no no no no no that's that's human soup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4799">TS</a>]

01:20:01   and I don't I don't be a perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:04   breeding ground for that kind of thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:05   like a hot bath mm-hmm I like a even a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4805">TS</a>]

01:20:09   swimming pool but a hot tub I always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:12   come out of there with hives is it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:15   your bottom parts it's just in the parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4815">TS</a>]

01:20:17   that would touch it touch the water of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4817">TS</a>]

01:20:19   attack oh okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4819">TS</a>]

01:20:21   and it's just it's uncomfortable and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4821">TS</a>]

01:20:23   makes me feel like it's one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4823">TS</a>]

01:20:26   things that separates me from the 1970s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:28   I feel like water beds I was into I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4828">TS</a>]

01:20:31   would be into them again if they were if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33   it see if it seemed reasonable to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35   one uh-huh but a hot tub I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:38   whether it's the whether it's the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:40   people or the chemicals they put in them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:43   to keep it's the other people from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4843">TS</a>]

01:20:45   creating like Polliwogs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4845">TS</a>]

01:20:50   John I think even in the best of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:52   conditions it's a lot of work keeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:53   one of those things clean I mean if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4853">TS</a>]

01:20:55   you're even if you're really riding that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:57   hard even if you like maybe have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4857">TS</a>]

01:20:58   you've hired some help before it I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:00   that's gonna be a lot of work yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:03   but so I was in a hot tub in one place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4863">TS</a>]

01:21:05   and then I went to another place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4865">TS</a>]

01:21:07   they had hot tubs there too I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4867">TS</a>]

01:21:09   all right mr. hot tub I guess and after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:14   the first hot tub experience I was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:16   I feel a little itchy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4876">TS</a>]

01:21:18   yeah where a rash is really it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:21   it's like it's just a droning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4881">TS</a>]

01:21:22   existential home you really cannot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:24   forget the physicality of your body when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4884">TS</a>]

01:21:26   you got a rash there's other kinds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:27   things where you can like kind of put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4887">TS</a>]

01:21:28   off for a minute but a rice just reminds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:30   you that you're alive and not in a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4890">TS</a>]

01:21:31   way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:31   I'm I'm people I think are often [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:35   surprised at how vulnerable I am to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:38   things you're sensitive you're sensitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4898">TS</a>]

01:21:40   soap and bad smells and that that hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4900">TS</a>]

01:21:44   tubs but I'm very sensitive to two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4904">TS</a>]

01:21:47   things and I think right now I'm reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:50   a book about sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4910">TS</a>]

01:21:52   and the book about sleep is telling me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:54   that if you if you're not getting good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4914">TS</a>]

01:21:58   sleep you might as well die of cancer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4918">TS</a>]

01:21:59   right now yeah and so I'm so last night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4919">TS</a>]

01:22:03   I actually read the book about sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4923">TS</a>]

01:22:05   until it put me to sleep and then I lay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:08   there and I woke up a little bit later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4928">TS</a>]

01:22:11   and and my body was like you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4931">TS</a>]

01:22:14   ready for sleep and I I really thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:16   about this book like yes I am ready for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4936">TS</a>]

01:22:20   sleep potty or would you like instead to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4940">TS</a>]

01:22:24   just die at 56 of a thousand maladies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4944">TS</a>]

01:22:28   and my body said hmm all right I'll I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:32   take this on under advisement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4952">TS</a>]

01:22:33   and I did go back to sleep and I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:36   sleep soundly and so I'm thinking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:39   this book and I'm thinking about like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4959">TS</a>]

01:22:41   hmm I have a rash I also have been sick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4961">TS</a>]

01:22:47   a lot lately maybe it's time to read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:49   book about sleep Wow and so that's where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4969">TS</a>]

01:22:54   I am I'm at I am at the point in my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4974">TS</a>]

01:22:56   where I would voluntarily read a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4976">TS</a>]

01:22:59   about sleep and and I'm reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:01   intro and the the writer is like well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4981">TS</a>]

01:23:05   started as a psychiatry professor at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4985">TS</a>]

01:23:07   Harvard and then I moved to Berkeley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4987">TS</a>]

01:23:10   where I'm a you know a psychokinetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:12   researcher and the chairman of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4992">TS</a>]

01:23:14   department and I'm picturing you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4994">TS</a>]

01:23:17   this sleep researcher and I turned to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4997">TS</a>]

01:23:19   the back of the book jacket and and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:24   person looks like the male lead of dirty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5004">TS</a>]

01:23:30   dancing Patrick Swayze Patrick Swayze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:33   yeah and I'm like oh no and I flipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:37   back to the intro again and it said for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5017">TS</a>]

01:23:39   over 20 years I've been working and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5019">TS</a>]

01:23:43   was like 20 years ago was 1998 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:47   like this oh he still doesn't have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5027">TS</a>]

01:23:50   dict I mean this person is 39 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:54   something you know you know like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:57   seen his leathery no I'm saying if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5037">TS</a>]

01:23:59   got in your career started in 1998 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5039">TS</a>]

01:24:04   you are I mean he's like got bleached [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:06   hair and so it was then it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:10   hard not to put the book down because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5050">TS</a>]

01:24:14   did not want to be lectured about sleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:16   by someone who looked like Patrick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5056">TS</a>]

01:24:18   Swayze but I was like stay in the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5058">TS</a>]

01:24:22   stay in the game yeah maybe he has some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:24   insights maybe you can learn something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5064">TS</a>]

01:24:26   from a young person and well so I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5066">TS</a>]

01:24:31   it through the first couple of chapters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5071">TS</a>]

01:24:32   there's a Supreme Court justice he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:33   younger than me no it's very upsetting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5073">TS</a>]

01:24:37   the new yeah of course it's yeah his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:41   name whoever the guy is that's that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5081">TS</a>]

01:24:42   jammed in there yeah upsetting but I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:46   a tip for you I can't promise is gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5086">TS</a>]

01:24:48   help but this is someone out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:49   cognitive-behavioral tradition but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5089">TS</a>]

01:24:51   something I've been doing that has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5091">TS</a>]

01:24:53   helping with the sleep and you've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:54   me I don't know if you've ever heard me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5094">TS</a>]

01:24:55   mention this before what are my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5095">TS</a>]

01:24:56   catchphrases in life one of my guiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:58   principles is to remind myself that I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5098">TS</a>]

01:25:00   decided not to let it bother me what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:01   something starts to bother me I say to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5101">TS</a>]

01:25:03   myself you know what I've decided not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5103">TS</a>]

01:25:04   let it bother me then every part of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5104">TS</a>]

01:25:06   is important so I started trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:07   adopt that with sleep when I wake up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5107">TS</a>]

01:25:09   I suddenly I start feeling all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:11   anxiety I say hmm maybe I'm not a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5111">TS</a>]

01:25:14   person because I'm awake maybe I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:16   actually get up for a few minutes what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5116">TS</a>]

01:25:18   if I gave myself one hour to be awake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5118">TS</a>]

01:25:19   and said after an hour I'll go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:21   sleep but I'm not gonna feel bad about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:23   it I have decided not to let it bother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5123">TS</a>]

01:25:26   I've decided not to let it bother me hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:29   I have decided not to let it bother me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:31   and then and then all of a sudden you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5131">TS</a>]

01:25:33   not a bad person anymore now you're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5133">TS</a>]

01:25:34   somebody who's awake for a little while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:35   and then you're somebody who can go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5135">TS</a>]

01:25:37   to sleep because you know because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:38   know what kills you is the feeling bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:39   about it it's the being bothered that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5139">TS</a>]

01:25:41   will keep you awake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5141">TS</a>]

01:25:43   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5143">TS</a>]

01:25:48   okay well but but I mean I know that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:51   a bad person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:52   well I don't convinced of that or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:56   disabused I was sir [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5156">TS</a>]

01:25:58   but what yeah I just this guy you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5158">TS</a>]

01:26:03   he he made me feel okay because he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5163">TS</a>]

01:26:06   like he gave me some of what I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5166">TS</a>]

01:26:08   looking for which it is if you stay up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5168">TS</a>]

01:26:12   late at night that's because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:13   you're supposed to do and your body is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5173">TS</a>]

01:26:15   on a cycle and you can't do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5175">TS</a>]

01:26:16   just a normal healthy American boy I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:19   an owl I'm an owl not an early bird I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:21   an owl and and so I was like yeah damn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:26   right and he said but if you don't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   eight hours of sleep at night you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:30   gonna die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:31   this is your alright the bad news is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5191">TS</a>]

01:26:34   it's killing you face compliment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5194">TS</a>]

01:26:38   sandwich world's fucked up nobody you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:41   know the world is not made for people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5201">TS</a>]

01:26:43   that want to sleep until 10:00 a.m. [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:45   let alone noon so it's too bad for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:48   if you don't get eight hours of sleep a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:50   night your brain is gonna turn into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5210">TS</a>]

01:26:51   spaghetti noodles and be too tired to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5211">TS</a>]

01:26:55   realize it I'm gonna be too tired to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5215">TS</a>]

01:26:57   to war teach on that shoot tired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5217">TS</a>]

01:27:06   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5226">TS</a>]

01:27:06   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5226">TS</a>]

00:00:00   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/0">TS</a>]

00:00:05   I'm Merlin how's going good long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/5">TS</a>]

00:00:10   Nessie Esmond that long we just talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/10">TS</a>]

00:00:13   last week right that's right yeah yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/13">TS</a>]

00:00:17   there's no Vale to tear away no we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   been talking consistently yes we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/19">TS</a>]

00:00:23   about politics last week oh yeah as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/23">TS</a>]

00:00:29   remember when we talked last week yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/29">TS</a>]

00:00:31   yeah we talked about politics that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/31">TS</a>]

00:00:33   that was a real hit show it's barnburner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/33">TS</a>]

00:00:35   yeah it was got a lot of got a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/35">TS</a>]

00:00:38   hearts and faith for that one yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40   collective hearts collected faves mmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/40">TS</a>]

00:00:44   collecting them in my in my little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   Tupperware in my it's not a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/46">TS</a>]

00:00:48   Tupperware it's a big big big one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   those big Tupper what's the name of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/50">TS</a>]

00:00:51   soundcloud rapper locally clever where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/51">TS</a>]

00:00:54   little Tupperware yeah yeah I got a I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/54">TS</a>]

00:00:58   got a big bucket of those hit hearts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/58">TS</a>]

00:01:01   babes I've been collecting since 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/61">TS</a>]

00:01:02   mm-hmm hearts and minds hearts and faves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   well it's nice to talk to you you used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   to get a lot of faves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   jimena yeah got gold star faves yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/69">TS</a>]

00:01:13   don't use the internet as much as I used [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/73">TS</a>]

00:01:14   to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16   you said a mouthful mm-hmm man you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/76">TS</a>]

00:01:19   I use it I use it differently the pipes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   and the wires you know I've rerouted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22   them a little bit a little bit of a home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   improvement on my internet you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/84">TS</a>]

00:01:26   was my uncle's law partner that said the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/86">TS</a>]

00:01:29   internet was a series of tubes right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/89">TS</a>]

00:01:32   that's uncle Ted uncle pad yeah it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/92">TS</a>]

00:01:35   like no no no you don't put on the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   of a truck that's what he said right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/97">TS</a>]

00:01:38   that's right he added some nuance to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/98">TS</a>]

00:01:40   I talked about him a lot in the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/100">TS</a>]

00:01:42   week or so cuz I visited my uncle who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/102">TS</a>]

00:01:45   91 now and he's trying to write his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/105">TS</a>]

00:01:48   autobiography and he's got he's written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/108">TS</a>]

00:01:52   quite a bit of it but he was telling a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/112">TS</a>]

00:01:55   lot of stories about the good old days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   while we were sitting around sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/117">TS</a>]

00:02:00   around the couch and heard a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/120">TS</a>]

00:02:03   great Ted Stevens stories any you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/123">TS</a>]

00:02:08   share because because Ted Stevens in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10   popular imagination I think if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/130">TS</a>]

00:02:12   the name Ted Stevens you may know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   he is the the tubes a series of tubes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/134">TS</a>]

00:02:16   back of a truck guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/136">TS</a>]

00:02:18   you may know wasn't he famous for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/138">TS</a>]

00:02:20   quote-unquote Bridge to Nowhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/140">TS</a>]

00:02:21   wasn't that his boondoggle no that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   different Alaskan see I already don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/143">TS</a>]

00:02:26   know who I'm talking about yeah that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/146">TS</a>]

00:02:28   Wally Hickel Wally Hickel the former [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/148">TS</a>]

00:02:31   governor and Nixon Secretary of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/151">TS</a>]

00:02:34   Interior Ted was a fan of political pork [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37   was he not well Ted Oh Merlin yuck that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/157">TS</a>]

00:02:41   let me get you started please permit me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/161">TS</a>]

00:02:43   you said it political pork Ted was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/163">TS</a>]

00:02:47   chairman of the Armed Forces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/167">TS</a>]

00:02:50   Appropriations Committee they get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/170">TS</a>]

00:02:53   decide where what bad heart defense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/173">TS</a>]

00:02:57   money goes no that's where all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   defense money all the defense may all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   the great defense like all the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/181">TS</a>]

00:03:02   defense money the Appropriations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/182">TS</a>]

00:03:04   Committee is very powerful and Ted was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/184">TS</a>]

00:03:07   the leader of it and so and you guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/187">TS</a>]

00:03:10   right there by by the Soviet Union you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   can about your window that's right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/192">TS</a>]

00:03:14   you know my dad and my uncle are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   peaceniks or at least anti-war they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/196">TS</a>]

00:03:20   doves that's what they would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   calling doves prefer peace they prefer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/202">TS</a>]

00:03:29   peace and they would say you know Ted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/209">TS</a>]

00:03:31   you gotta what are you doing here man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/211">TS</a>]

00:03:32   with these guns and Ted would say you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/212">TS</a>]

00:03:36   know 48 out of 50 states the military is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/216">TS</a>]

00:03:40   their number one employer that should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/220">TS</a>]

00:03:45   get it's a logical fallacy that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   really good logical fallacy it's like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   dad used to do when I when I started to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/229">TS</a>]

00:03:52   try and take his car away because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54   too old to drive and he would say I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/234">TS</a>]

00:03:56   a guy got an appointment to get the car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/236">TS</a>]

00:03:58   fixed people run everything so we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/238">TS</a>]

00:04:04   let white people run everything so Ted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/244">TS</a>]

00:04:07   Ted yeah Ted you know he was appointed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/247">TS</a>]

00:04:11   to the Senate the first time he never he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/251">TS</a>]

00:04:14   didn't even he was his like he didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/254">TS</a>]

00:04:19   win election to that office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/259">TS</a>]

00:04:23   initially okay I'm looking him up here I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25   go and that was that's like kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/265">TS</a>]

00:04:29   extraordinary just in the sense that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/269">TS</a>]

00:04:32   he became one of the longest senators [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/272">TS</a>]

00:04:35   serving his president pro-tem for years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/275">TS</a>]

00:04:41   he was that the time he was the lamb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   around the internet science site he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   the longest serving Republican senator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/285">TS</a>]

00:04:47   in history at the time he left office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/287">TS</a>]

00:04:48   now of course that's orrin hatch yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/288">TS</a>]

00:04:52   orrin hatch now has made it made it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   here I mean they're gonna have to pry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/294">TS</a>]

00:04:56   the Senate from his his one good hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/296">TS</a>]

00:05:03   lot of layers part of his whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/303">TS</a>]

00:05:09   was like there's he was off of term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/309">TS</a>]

00:05:12   limits or didn't like the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/312">TS</a>]

00:05:14   these guys would get in there and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/314">TS</a>]

00:05:16   never leave it was real frustrating to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/316">TS</a>]

00:05:17   him and that was I think in 1977 is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/317">TS</a>]

00:05:21   right was in 1977 when he came in orrin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   hatch yeah no I have no idea I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25   follow the career born read the traits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/325">TS</a>]

00:05:28   assumed office January 3 1977 Wow yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/328">TS</a>]

00:05:32   yeah and Ted was already there right he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/332">TS</a>]

00:05:34   was he was there Ted this is what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/334">TS</a>]

00:05:37   crazy he went into the Senate right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   about the time I was born so I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/339">TS</a>]

00:05:44   there was like three months of my entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   life that Ted Stevens autumn in the US I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   want to just reflect the fact that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   just totally confused orrin hatch and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/350">TS</a>]

00:05:51   Bob Dole thank you very much all fixing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/351">TS</a>]

00:05:52   the Edit damn good 1976 his first run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/352">TS</a>]

00:05:58   for office elected to the Senate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/358">TS</a>]

00:05:59   defeating Frank Moss the three-term [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/359">TS</a>]

00:06:00   incumbent among other issues hatch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/360">TS</a>]

00:06:03   criticized his ha mosses 18-year tenure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/363">TS</a>]

00:06:06   in the Senate saying what do you call a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   senator who served in office for 18 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   years you call him home he ran on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/370">TS</a>]

00:06:12   promise of time right he got in there he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/372">TS</a>]

00:06:14   got on the promise of term limits that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16   was we should do yeah I should have do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/376">TS</a>]

00:06:19   not don't like me in there in a while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/379">TS</a>]

00:06:22   mm-hmm it's early it's really early so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/382">TS</a>]

00:06:25   took I took you off your game so uncle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27   Ted comes in oh and it was a weird thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/387">TS</a>]

00:06:30   because that he came in because a Senate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/390">TS</a>]

00:06:34   era that our senator at the time a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/394">TS</a>]

00:06:37   named Bob Bartlett [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/397">TS</a>]

00:06:38   who was a Democrat Bob Bartlett died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/398">TS</a>]

00:06:45   and it was not yet the rule that if if a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/405">TS</a>]

00:06:54   senator died in office and you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   going to appoint a replacement that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/416">TS</a>]

00:06:58   require you appointed a replacement from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00   the same party so the new governor was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/420">TS</a>]

00:07:04   Republican and he just appointed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/424">TS</a>]

00:07:05   Republican Oh No kidding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/425">TS</a>]

00:07:07   instead of replacing Bob Bartlett with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/427">TS</a>]

00:07:09   the Democrat Bob Bartlett born in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   Seattle yeah and you know the one of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/431">TS</a>]

00:07:14   competing high schools in Anchorage I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/434">TS</a>]

00:07:16   went to East High School one of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/436">TS</a>]

00:07:19   competing high schools was called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/439">TS</a>]

00:07:20   Bartlett High School after after Bob [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   Bartlett thought all the histories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/442">TS</a>]

00:07:25   connected yet salt it's all connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/445">TS</a>]

00:07:27   it's all you know Alaska is very small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29   very small political politically Alaska [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/449">TS</a>]

00:07:32   very small he died the year you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/452">TS</a>]

00:07:36   born [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/456">TS</a>]

00:07:37   I believe December 11 1968 yeah he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/457">TS</a>]

00:07:40   had some heart surgery and that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   Ted Stevens was appointed by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/462">TS</a>]

00:07:45   Republican governor by the Republican [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/465">TS</a>]

00:07:46   governor and when you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/466">TS</a>]

00:07:48   immediately immediately immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/468">TS</a>]

00:07:50   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   appointed yeah that was big year 1968 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/472">TS</a>]

00:07:58   yeah riots in Paris mm-hmm you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/478">TS</a>]

00:08:02   quite a long this is the 50th [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/482">TS</a>]

00:08:04   anniversary of 1968 I know isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/484">TS</a>]

00:08:07   strange that's one of the years it must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/487">TS</a>]

00:08:10   have felt like five years it still feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/490">TS</a>]

00:08:13   like they're I don't know we've had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/493">TS</a>]

00:08:16   we've had a bigger year sentence no it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18   was we've talked about this every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/498">TS</a>]

00:08:20   goddamn week but like the fractious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   nough some 1968 and the stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/502">TS</a>]

00:08:23   happened that I mean 63 obviously with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/503">TS</a>]

00:08:26   Kennedy being assassinated that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   real shocker for the country it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   like well I mean cuz do you think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   who was the previous one was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   Cleveland McKinley like the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   presidential assassination had been like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   this from another era and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40   couldn't even imagine this seemingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/520">TS</a>]

00:08:43   healthy young man you know just being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/523">TS</a>]

00:08:46   being cut down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/526">TS</a>]

00:08:47   emphasis on seemingly seemingly he had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/527">TS</a>]

00:08:51   lot pills stashed a lot of pills and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/531">TS</a>]

00:08:54   and various things I but you know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/534">TS</a>]

00:08:55   the 68 is so much happen even if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/535">TS</a>]

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00:08:59   so much more than the assassinations but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/539">TS</a>]

00:09:01   like you say internationally the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/541">TS</a>]

00:09:02   was stuff going on internationally was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/542">TS</a>]

00:09:03   so bananas yeah I just I feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/543">TS</a>]

00:09:08   was back when years would be like a year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/548">TS</a>]

00:09:11   right like Time magazine would do like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/551">TS</a>]

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00:09:20   this year we were put one in the history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/560">TS</a>]

00:09:22   books they're gonna they're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/562">TS</a>]

00:09:23   remember 1982 you know that was that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/563">TS</a>]

00:09:28   a heck of a year 1997 is going to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/568">TS</a>]

00:09:32   1982 mmm look like 1968 Hot Wheels Hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/572">TS</a>]

00:09:38   Wheels Hot Wheels are introduced January [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   4th 1968 Hot Wheels Sesame Street Sesame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/580">TS</a>]

00:09:43   Street don't me take you out for game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   I'm just reading the Internet but keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/585">TS</a>]

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00:09:53   early so early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   I've been up I've been up in Hale and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   Hardy since like 6:30 and I by 10:00 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   a.m. I'm just so tired [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/599">TS</a>]

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00:10:06   have introduced my daughter to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/606">TS</a>]

00:10:08   concept of second breakfast I'm so sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/608">TS</a>]

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00:10:14   started reading her The Hobbit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/614">TS</a>]

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00:13:28   know what are we doing this afternoon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/808">TS</a>]

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00:13:35   potatoes and and she's just covered in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/815">TS</a>]

00:13:39   shame yeah her guard is down but but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/819">TS</a>]

00:13:42   started to she got started to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   game and she would preempt me mm-hmm I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/824">TS</a>]

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00:13:49   she'd go get a basket potatoes and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/829">TS</a>]

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00:14:03   gonna hear it again and then later on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/843">TS</a>]

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00:14:52   that'll show that same thing right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/892">TS</a>]

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00:15:03   I'm gonna go and unsubscribe from all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   these things and let's see which ones I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   really successfully unsubscribe from and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/907">TS</a>]

00:15:10   which ones it's just like the elevator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/910">TS</a>]

00:15:14   button anything or dropping dropping a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/914">TS</a>]

00:15:19   bit of oil onto like the overhead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/919">TS</a>]

00:15:22   projector at a dead show where it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/922">TS</a>]

00:15:25   is like blurring and now all of a sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/925">TS</a>]

00:15:26   I get 400 emails because I've identified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/926">TS</a>]

00:15:28   myself as a living person but I got an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/928">TS</a>]

00:15:31   email from the NRA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   listen which I had never had one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/933">TS</a>]

00:15:36   directly from them are you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   remember no most of my family was but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/938">TS</a>]

00:15:42   are not well my late father was a he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/942">TS</a>]

00:15:46   basically his occupation his career was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/946">TS</a>]

00:15:49   I mean he'd been an Eagle Scout he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/949">TS</a>]

00:15:52   he's from that age we're like normal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   guys had guns and he talked gun safety [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56   classes and he was in the NRA and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/956">TS</a>]

00:15:57   in Ducks Unlimited he's like hey we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   can't kill all the Ducks so we won't get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/959">TS</a>]

00:16:00   to shoot ducks anymore like an early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/960">TS</a>]

00:16:01   kind of like right-wing conservative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/961">TS</a>]

00:16:04   movement like a conservation movement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   like he was oh he was like a good he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   a good gun guy he taught like I say he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/968">TS</a>]

00:16:09   taught gun safety classes and except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/969">TS</a>]

00:16:12   Korea never shot a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/972">TS</a>]

00:16:14   except for Korea he never shot a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   yeah he was he had a bad time in Korea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/976">TS</a>]

00:16:18   it was not a good police action oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/978">TS</a>]

00:16:20   that's too bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/980">TS</a>]

00:16:21   yeah hit the PTSD didn't you know didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/981">TS</a>]

00:16:25   call it that then they just thought he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/985">TS</a>]

00:16:26   was a guy who didn't like fireworks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/986">TS</a>]

00:16:27   would be a marina or an army he was uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/987">TS</a>]

00:16:30   he was very briefly a PFC until he got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/990">TS</a>]

00:16:33   busted to basic private because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/993">TS</a>]

00:16:35   refused to paint a barracks right before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/995">TS</a>]

00:16:38   they he knew they were bugging out oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40   yeah there's just two ways and one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:44   them's the army way another way is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:46   you could get less money each week yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48   that's a that's a tough one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:50   to get to get but busted down he's in he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:54   was in frontline battles he had frozen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:55   feet and stuff it was a terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:56   situation no it's awful it was awful it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:59   was off so he didn't want to watch mash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:00   let's see he I don't know if he why mash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:05   is on for a couple years before he died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:06   I don't remember that being a show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   we watched but everybody man everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:11   you know Winchester just died Charles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   Emerson Winchester the third Charles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   yeah he just he passed a couple three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:17   days ago oh no my daughter knows him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:19   through his voice work he's been who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:21   been the voice in many things he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:22   voice in miyazaki movie spirited away he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:26   is a voice in the wonderful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   underrated lilo and Stitch huh that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31   he's in a program of terrible not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:32   terrible a program my daughter likes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:34   called the Regular Show he also has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:35   role in there huh no kidding yeah I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:38   always amazed by people that recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:39   other people's voices didn't voiceover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:42   work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:42   I mean I can pick out Morgan free it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:44   it's a it's a sport in our house is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   who can name that person first I fee I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   took you out the Panay toes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50   oh no I mean I there was never a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:55   where I didn't feel like the National [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:58   Rifle Association was not an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:01   organization that did not represent me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:03   wait I guess a lot of knots in that time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:05   that's right that there's there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:08   never be they used to be I mean I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:11   the where we stand today is it's fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   well known that even though they portray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:15   themselves as an organization that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:17   for people who believe in the Second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:19   Amendment right to keep and bear arms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:21   they are I think that was pretend to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:23   doing that it is a they are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   industry-funded lobbying group whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:28   primary goal is to sell more guns and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:30   secondary goal is to not allow anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:31   to happen that would prevent selling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:33   more guns that's not to be cynical but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   think that's pretty much what they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   at this point this this was a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   the the transformation of the NRA from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:42   sportsman's organization to whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:43   is now a lot everything was a lobbying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1123">TS</a>]

00:18:45   group well but you know a sportsman's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:49   lobbying group to whatever it is now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:51   mean industry centric yeah well or no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:54   it's not even it I don't think it's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   it's a propaganda organization now it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:59   doesn't have anything to I mean but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   transformations been happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   throughout the course of my life like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:04   and father was even by 1950s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:10   standards a gun nut like a nut mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:16   I've probably described before that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:19   the house the house my mom grew up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:23   she said that there were just rifles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:26   leaning you know in all the corners of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:29   all the rooms like in the living room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:32   all four corners just had like rifles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:36   leaning in them and so when she was home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:39   alone at night and it's a farm house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41   it's out you know a mile from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:45   nearest neighbor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:46   she'd be home alone studying at night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:49   and I guess they didn't have curtains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:51   because they couldn't I don't know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:55   because back then why would you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   curtains I'm not sure I don't think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1197">TS</a>]

00:19:58   were too poor for curtains although they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:01   right hide nothing curtains right on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:04   border of being too poor for curtains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   what we could use that fabric as napkins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:11   but like guns in the corner and so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:14   would move her she would move her little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:16   study chair to the center of the room [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:19   because she didn't want she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:22   obviously like she's you know young girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24   she was afraid that someone was looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:27   at her in the in the dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:30   somebody was out in the dark looking in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:31   but she also felt like there are guns in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:34   all the corners like I'm fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:36   ultimately like I can get to a gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:39   within seconds but the strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:43   environment to grow up in to me yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:46   it's not natural to her I mean she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:51   still she's still deadly people weapons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:59   and I think one cognitive disconnect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:02   between in our country right now is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04   there are people who think of guns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:05   primarily as people killing machines and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07   other people who think of it no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:08   differently than they would think of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:09   screwdriver or a hammer it's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11   that's part of a certain rural lifestyle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:14   that includes hunting and the need for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:15   protection because there's no one to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   help you there well I mean hunting sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:21   but there are a lot of people in America [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:22   that can that look at a rifle I think as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:24   a tennis racket it's something that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:28   go and you get to go to the range or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:30   go somewhere and and then planket cans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:33   or shoot at targets I went to a target [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:36   shooting match the other day a friend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   mine from Portland is a is a competitive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:42   shooter and his team was playing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:49   local Seattle team and he and his he and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:52   his pal a fellow shooter came up and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:56   went to the range with them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   they competed against the locals and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:01   know the the Portland team maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03   predictably were all in their 40s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:10   quickly reduce the pointless infighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:12   no like they all had kind of long hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:15   and beards and the Seattle team were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:18   7b Oh interesting and had suspenders and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:23   there's still regionality in anything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:25   love that they had suspenders on their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:27   jeans and you know like the Seattle team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:31   was definitely like old gun people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:35   the Portland team were like we're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36   young you know these are very technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   instruments these pistols and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:43   that's a whole I mean shit they're still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   shooting in the Olympics get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:49   biathlon that's a great that's a crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   event did you watch the women's biathlon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:54   no no no but I just remember well first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:55   when I first became aware of it as like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   a teen I was like one get this straight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:58   like you ski really hard you get out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:00   breath they always said that's the hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:01   part is you're kind of out of breath and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   they need to pull out a rifle and shoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05   very accurately at a distance i watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   the women's biathlon and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:08   thrilling oh cool some thrilling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:11   thrilling Olympic drama but you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:16   that tennis racquet thing the idea of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:20   just being a thing that you go like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:22   just a sport transport to go try and put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:25   a little little piece of metal into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:28   center of a piece of paper that's a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:30   way away like but my my grandfather was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:36   somebody that according to my mom he put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:39   all of his spare money in guns curtains [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:47   I mean that's right what are you gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:50   do send your daughter to college man so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:53   by the time he died his gun collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:56   was worth a small fortune because he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1436">TS</a>]

00:24:00   all these plans Wow yeah like he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:03   bought all these beautiful weapons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05   and he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:09   score upon score of them and I guess my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:14   mother's brother took who also was Gunny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:19   he wasn't like super gun nut but he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:23   gonna sh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:23   at least gonna jacent but he he took it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:28   all and sold it sold it all as a big you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:32   know as a as a major component of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34   quote unquote estate which I think was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:36   largely made of guns ended up being a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:47   shelter former shelter and I was I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:50   actually even now many many years later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:53   decades later I feel a little bit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:59   the little tiny piece of me is missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:03   in that I do not have a single one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:06   grandfather's my crazy grandfather's oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:09   I can totally understand that yeah some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:13   just like some bird rifle or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   you know what is it there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:16   long-running beef in my near family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:20   where basically at some point after my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:23   dad died an acquaintance of our family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   was like basically taking care of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:27   dad's collection of rifles and pistols [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   and my mom had asked for it back never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:32   got it back into this day she's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   steamed about it yeah that's how it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:37   at the time like that's very assist that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1537">TS</a>]

00:25:39   would be like keeping his watch in his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:40   wallet or something keeping his watch in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   his wallet exactly my brother David got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   my dad's Navy flight jacket a long time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:48   before I came along right he grabbed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:49   that out of the closet cuz that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:51   weird thing in 1968 let's let's put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:57   let's locate this story in 1968 when my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:01   brother David would have been 18 my dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:05   is not my dad already is looking at his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:07   Navy flight jacket as some moth-eaten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1567">TS</a>]

00:26:09   old thing that's hanging around the back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:13   of his closet talk about 23 years there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   yeah and when his teenage kids like hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:17   let me wear you let me wear your jacket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:20   in my dad's like sure whatever you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:23   get it out of here not even thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:26   that he would ever have another son who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1586">TS</a>]

00:26:28   would 20 years later who has kids that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:33   later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:34   yes exactly who would ever want that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:37   jacket later you know what more mm-hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:40   wanted more take better care of it so my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   brother you know my brother took it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:44   I'm sure like put out his joints on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1604">TS</a>]

00:26:47   for however long and then it just was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:51   gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:52   just went into the went into the shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:53   pile like all the other jackets that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   that hippies didn't appreciate but I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1615">TS</a>]

00:27:00   get my dad's watch in his wallet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1620">TS</a>]

00:27:02   I feel a little bit bad about it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1622">TS</a>]

00:27:05   I was over at his old folks home one day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:08   I was in the bathroom looking for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1628">TS</a>]

00:27:10   q-tip and I opened up some drawer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12   his watch was in there never tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:15   this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:15   no and I said dad what's your watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:18   doing in this in the bathroom and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:22   said oh I you know put it in there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:24   the cleaning lady won't find it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:27   said the cleaning Li is first of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   that's not the problem but second of all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   the bathroom isn't like the place and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:37   said I'll tell you what I'll I'll take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   it and keep it for you I'll protect it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:42   for you and he said you're stealing my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:45   watch can't go better than a cleaning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1665">TS</a>]

00:27:47   lady and I said I'm not stealing your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:50   watch like you're not wearing it anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:52   what do you what do you thinks gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54   happen to this watch this watch this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:56   this is a this is the topic of watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1676">TS</a>]

00:28:00   advertising you hand your watch down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:03   that's what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:04   old men hand their watches down to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   young sons he was like bullshit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:09   Oh cuz the struggle the struggle at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:13   point is very much about maintaining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   agency and relevance and importance and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:20   like taken away the greatest generations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   watch is wasting leo you don't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   know what time it is anymore well right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   but what I was afraid of and it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   natural that he was gonna hide it by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:30   tucking it in the couch right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:33   tucking it in his rent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:34   did couch and the biggest mistake I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:38   like I made we were cleaning out his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:41   house and he had some gateway computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:46   that he used to Peck out emails to me on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:50   you know where it was just like he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:53   after a while just stopped using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   punctuation I mean it was you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:57   was just like hey what are you doing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1737">TS</a>]

00:29:00   know email and when I when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:07   cleaning out his place I was just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:08   you know he had mostly particleboard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:12   furniture by then and and I just put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:16   that gateway computer in a box and took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:18   it to the thrift store and it never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:21   occurred to me and honestly the chances [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:25   of this are about 6% but there's a six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:30   percent chance that he had been sitting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   at that computer pecking out some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:36   autobiography right and the thing is I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:39   know that it's six percent rather even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:42   than 16 percent because he never did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:46   anything like that in his whole life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1786">TS</a>]

00:29:49   he never sat down see how he would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:51   about using the tool even how to present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:54   well I'm 90% sure that he didn't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1794">TS</a>]

00:30:00   of it that way but but he you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:02   was a lawyer he was no stranger to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04   filling up legal pads but he never once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:08   that I ever saw and I have every legal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:11   pad he ever touched because I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:13   because I didn't I threw away his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1813">TS</a>]

00:30:16   computer but I didn't throw away all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:17   these legal pads but he never was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:20   you know I was thinking or you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:24   never wrote a single page of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:25   reflections on the way life used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:29   huh like he never done so so I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:35   think that his computer was full of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:38   autobiographical notes but I've had 6 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:42   percent chance that it wasn't eats at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   you just a little I mean there's so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:47   things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:48   eating at me I feel like I'm in a I'm in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:49   the Amazon and I'm I'm being pecked at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:52   from all sides although apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   that's not how piranhas work as a team [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:58   right well but if you stepped in to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1858">TS</a>]

00:31:00   you could walk across the Amazon and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   piranhas would not skeletonize me it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04   so good to know yeah I think that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06   think I learned that on one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:08   unless the word John I could not get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:09   use that right now you don't have a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:13   piranha problem there in the sunset [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:15   though see we're back to work back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:17   gorilla suits in quicksand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:18   like piranhas another one of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20   things that we were raised to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:21   was something that was like a genuine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:22   issue of concern oh sure quick I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:25   like you can't tell these millenniums [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:26   but like there was a time when we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:28   all be pretty sure that somebody you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:29   knew would die in quicksand it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   everywhere absolute gorilla suits every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:34   where so many gorilla suits and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36   just don't hear about in piranhas just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:37   don't come up anymore you don't hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   about them the way you did it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:40   absolutely true there was one killer bee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:43   killer bee there F well Africanized bees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   hmm one one week in 1968 March 31st [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:51   Lyndon Johnson announces he will not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   seek re-election now you hear that today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   and you go oh no big deal it was a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   deal it was a huge shocking deal when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:59   said he would not seek it he would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   accept you think about another president [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:03   who said no not for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:07   April 2nd April 2nd 2001 comes out April [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:10   3rd Planet of the Apes comes out April [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:11   4th Martin Luther King is assassinated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   also April 4th Apollo 6 is launched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:18   April 6th a shootout between Black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   Panthers and Oakland Police result in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:22   several arrests and deaths including [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:23   sixteen-year-old Panther Bobby Hutton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:25   that was one week yes indeedy-do uh-huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:31   and that's what that was all immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   before I was born [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:34   now you were born by then yeah I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   getting born you were alive and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38   you know this is what you would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:41   that there would be a generation divider [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:44   between if you were born before Martin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:48   Luther King was killed or after thanks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:52   SME street might be a bigger deal Sesame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:55   Street it feels like but but don't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:56   feel like there's a generation gap that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   starts with people where do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:01   think you start to feel like people are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   younger than you what what age when they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:06   were born I have a totally crazy one but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:09   it's unavoidable this is really dumb and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   so trivial but like a lot of my friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:14   who are just slightly younger than me or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:15   feel just slightly younger than me I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   a couple things for better for worse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:19   like I was born late in 1966 and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:22   started school late so I was one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   older kids in my class but with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:25   said friends of mine who just feel just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   slightly younger than me a real ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:28   like shitty 80s robot cartoons where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:32   was already on to like you know Doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34   Who or whatever right there's all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:37   affection for like and then just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   slightly younger than that you already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:40   get into Pokemon I'm like Pokemon like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   was fucking like 25 when that came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   you know so how so where is that line I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:47   mean do you think of me as younger than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:49   you I used to but now I do not let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:53   toss out a few in the indie rock days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:56   when you and I first met mm-hmm we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   already both in our thirties yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2038">TS</a>]

00:34:00   true about my relationship with you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:04   well you know did you and Marilyn like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:05   always did you or did you use to text [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:08   each other I was like what no podcast is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:21   that we used to talk on the phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   neither of us wanted to talk on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   phone but that was the only way you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:26   could talk to you on the phone yeah we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   watched a Kitchen Nightmares the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   day where the guy had a flip phone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:31   my daughter was like what is he doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:32   with that phone I was like yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:34   that's like when this show came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:35   that's the phone that most people had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   know yesterday we I was at a restaurant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:40   in Canadia and there was a there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   phone like a desk phone but it was even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   older than I would have ever seen it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   like a bakelite phone like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   ding-a-ling-a-ling son like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:49   ding-a-ling phone and my daughter picked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   it up and it was a dial phone a rotary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:54   phone and I said do you know how those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:56   work and she said yes and she she put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2096">TS</a>]

00:35:01   her finger in it and she said you put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:02   your finger in here and you move it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04   the number that you want to call so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:07   want to call for instance I want to call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:08   the letter C French to move it up to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:11   letter C and then went to dit and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:14   was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:15   tada I said well yeah it's not too far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:19   off your clothes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:21   yeah we found out we found out mixed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23   with all of our many stickers books was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:26   a copy of a zine that I used to like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   which is a zine about big star called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:31   back of a car and she's like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:32   this comic that's like it's it's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:36   magazine but little and it's and it had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:38   a flexi disc and still had the flexi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:40   disc like staple inside of it and I felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2140">TS</a>]

00:35:42   like but when we first met she felt that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:48   I was a little bit younger than you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:49   because there were musical cues that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:52   that that could differentiate a year and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:57   a half in age it's like you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2157">TS</a>]

00:36:00   the same with your kids like you your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2160">TS</a>]

00:36:01   daughter Shirley has friends has had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:04   friends through her life that are just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:05   like you know those kind of like maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:06   you don't see them every week but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:08   your ongoing oh that was your that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:09   your really good friend when you were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:10   baby and they're like what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:11   talking about like there's a friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:12   there's might be a friend who's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2172">TS</a>]

00:36:13   year older and she started almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:15   certainly probably at this point has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:16   friends who are like a year younger and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   that year for obvious reasons matters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20   less and less mostly as you get older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:23   right and in that case like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:25   that's like again the mr. show bit like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   I'm into Star Wars you're into that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:28   Empire Strikes Back bullshit you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   it's like these these incredibly small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:32   differences become less and less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   important but like when we met oh shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   dog Joe Joe from from the label had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:40   tooth the other day part um what is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:43   the thermals is it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:44   parts-per-million came out it's like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:50   yeah like Eric knows those guys and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53   like it was a big deal like oh this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:54   is this really cool record though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:58   doesn't that seem insane well especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01   since I still think of the thermals has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   like like youngster kids little guys in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:07   the shirts yeah yeah yeah but but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   when we met like I at that point was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:13   and I were branched in slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:14   different directions in terms of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   what we knew a lot about or were real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:17   into and I was certainly deep in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   Sloan phase and a lot of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   the Canadian rock and stuff at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:22   point and you were very very up-to-date [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:24   unlike what was happening on the charts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:26   and in the vnw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:27   and all that kind of stuff but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:30   remember talking to ton when we talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32   about old music it would be like you me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:34   and Shawn talking about like very old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2254">TS</a>]

00:37:36   music listen which I mean like in our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:39   lifetime but that was a long time ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:40   but you were really you you you really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:44   took us in hand and and like actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:47   literally sat us down like come in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:51   sit down and begin to show us things we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:56   hadn't seen famously electronic stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2276">TS</a>]

00:38:01   yeah like here's what here's what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:04   internet forum is in that forum but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:08   like you showed us the office for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:11   first time the British seen or heard of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:15   when that was still contemporary you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:19   were the first person who had a DVR that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:22   any of us had put the Jeff Bridges that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:25   we watch it oh my god and it would and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:35   this was before there was like gifts or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:38   any kind of internet just keeping the TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:43   like I saved this like 11 seconds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:46   there's this one time when I turned the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:48   channel and accidentally caught Jeff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:49   Bridges being seemingly pretty high on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:52   Charlie Rose and it was really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54   funny and we would watch it over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:55   over I can never find it now I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2335">TS</a>]

00:39:04   know I wouldn't even know where to look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:05   for it it was so it was so it felt so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:08   contemporary it was it was a technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:11   that none of us possessed like so wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:14   minute wait a minute explain this again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:15   you were you were changing channels you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   can just go watch any Seinfeld now yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:20   and it was recording somehow and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:23   were able to go back and and you were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   like yeah it's recording everything all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:27   the time you can watch whatever you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:28   whenever like recording everything all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   the time how does it do it where does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   keep the tapes it's turning it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:35   looking around they're elves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:37   this work yeah right where are the tubes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:40   and that felt so in that case that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42   funny okay I haven't thought that much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:43   about that I do have many fond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2383">TS</a>]

00:39:44   recollections of your band and me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   sitting around in our underwear and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:48   while my wife went to work and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:49   watching TV well there was a lot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   but also I mean one night when I first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:54   when you and I first met and I and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   is obviously like a story drenched in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   moss but you still had a PC running in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:02   your office yeah but you had begun to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:06   evangelize about Macintosh well justjust [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2406">TS</a>]

00:40:09   clarify Macs have been my computer since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   1987 and I've owned one since 88 it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:14   just that for that there was a period [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:15   where I had two computers one of which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   is a very old like 386 PC that I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   used for development and listening to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:20   streaming music that was but pretty much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2420">TS</a>]

00:40:22   all but it was it wasn't like a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:24   board long like a big piece of plywood [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:25   in my office but it was the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   that somebody it was in that what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:30   this that we're talking about 2003 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   probably yeah - when you and I first met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:36   we were on tour with Ken string it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:38   after the first record him before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:41   second record because the second record [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:42   was what you know that was that was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:44   of when we became really I think better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:46   friends and like went to the website and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:47   everything a 2002 was when when we met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:51   for sure we did something to her out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:54   with the Stringfellow on his touched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:56   tour that's such a good record it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:58   good record it pains me to say that song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:01   uniforms oh my god it's so good but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   was an oh my god do you know the day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:07   that it came out I'll give you a hint [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:09   same day a very good jay-z record came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   out that got a little overlooked for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:12   while holy shit oh it came out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:14   September 11 9/11 2001 Wow that's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:17   I do remember holy shit and that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   reason that we didn't tour it until a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:23   little bit later because it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:24   well I can't really go on tour now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:26   partner she says but it was but you had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:31   started talking about Macintoshes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2491">TS</a>]

00:41:33   in a way in a different way where it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:34   no longer because you remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   question was alright yo max were my gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   let's be honest yeah but the question up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:41   until that point culturally had always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:43   been well sure get a McIntosh if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45   want to not be compatible with anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:48   like if you're it's great if you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:51   inside of a small little corral do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53   want to pay three times as much to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:54   fucking nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:55   yeah but if you want to be you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:57   you want to be part of the world if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:58   want to integrate and use email and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   computer okay get a real computer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   and I think that was right at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04   turning point where it was like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   mackintoshes are real computers and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:10   because I I egg and not agonize because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:13   I had a Mac classic in 1988 that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:18   know had Mac Paint and I remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:21   recording my voice into it mm-hmm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:24   being astonished that it played my voice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   back out of it like whoa computers have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   really tested out the box Mac's handled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   you know if you knew how to do it it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   would handle audio stuff you didn't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34   to buy a board for it or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:35   that yeah it was I mean I did not know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   how to do it so I I was I have I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:40   actually still have a recording I made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   in 1990 where my girlfriend Kate at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:46   time was sitting on my lap at my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:49   computer and we were both sitting there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   basically being amazed by it and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:55   recorded this clip you know a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:59   brief little clip of her it would fill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:02   up your entire heart it's like a global [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:05   computer but she's lat like giggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   laughing because I'm tickling her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:11   it's just like and you know and when we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:14   broke up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:15   I listened to it a hundred thousand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:17   times oh you know tears streaming down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   my face thinking back all those short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:22   weeks ago to when life was so easy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:25   everything made sense and I change they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:30   change so quickly how they really do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:31   especially you know okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:33   the reason I have that is that at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:37   time in the 2000s or early 2000s [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2617">TS</a>]

00:43:42   probably about this same time that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   talking about 2002 the stranger here the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:48   Seattle newspaper still was running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:52   somewhere in the office a computer that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:56   old that could use those hard hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2636">TS</a>]

00:44:01   floppy disk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:02   and Shawn Nelson said hey do you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:05   anything stuck on an old computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:08   because if you do this would be the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2648">TS</a>]

00:44:11   to transfer it into a new format because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:15   we're gonna unplug this old thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:17   that will probably be the last time any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:19   one of these things is hooked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   anything else and I said I do have some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:25   stuff and I went and got this big box of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:28   those little discs and sat at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:29   stranger and transferred all that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2669">TS</a>]

00:44:33   into you know made that made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:36   transition into whatever the new format [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:39   was at the time and the computer was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:42   like do you want us to reformat this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:45   I was like yes and so I still have all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   that stuff from from 1994 because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:52   because of that that small little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:55   gesture making the transition but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2695">TS</a>]

00:44:59   you were the one I think that said to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   don't be afraid to buy Apple products [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:04   you're not gonna be on the wrong side of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:07   history uh-huh and I and I you know I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:12   was like wow they're really expensive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:13   and I mean they're super pretty but like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   if you want to hook it to something I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:18   think I could be you say as you say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:20   there's this is all drenched in moss but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:22   my running deal for a long time was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:24   I I cannot unless you're really ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:27   for the journey I cannot recommend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:28   buying Mac stuff but what I would offer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   all along which I did for too much too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:33   long for too many people was I will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2733">TS</a>]

00:45:35   your Sherpa and your rabbi to the extent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:36   possible when when it's weird or when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:39   you don't understand something I'll help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:40   you set it up and that kind of stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:42   so 2002-2003 would be right around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:45   period when I was very first feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:47   more confident in saying I didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2747">TS</a>]

00:45:50   to put as many asterisks on the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:51   part where I was like this is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   this is getting better this is not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   weird there's stuff out there forgiving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:58   you know knowing the context and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2758">TS</a>]

00:45:59   somebody needs to do I can feel more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   confident about saying you're not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   feel like like an idiot for having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05   bought this plus I will help you with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:06   you know as much as I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:08   yeah and you did you were very helpful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:09   but and I was I was afraid the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:12   time that money it's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:15   money to invest in you feel you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:16   be a sucker like you're like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   getting into some kind like for like now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:19   with Internet of Things stuff right like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:21   you don't want to go all-in spend a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:22   thousand dollars on something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   gonna be a Oh El Din like a year like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   you just don't to feel like a sucker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:27   well but also it seems like the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:29   of things you don't want to do at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   am I am I wrong in saying that yeah same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:34   for the show you know be careful where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:39   you step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:39   hmm I do not want my thermostat looking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:43   at my bare bottom I know to the sorry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:46   you choose who looks at your bare bottom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   that's you that's Johnny's ition I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:50   sign on to my patreon and go to the top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:53   level you'll see my stretch goal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:56   I'll reach around you are not gonna see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:59   it just because I put a new lock on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   door that I gave a man just look at any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   snorkeler cats girl you know I wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:11   about that a lot what but by which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:14   mean there's an audience for everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:16   yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:17   and I've I've considered there have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:20   a couple of times when I was like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   if I just went what if I just had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:25   YouTube where I just read things aloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:28   if I just went there and be like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:31   some more people would love it yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   it's just like somebody reading to them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:35   who knows how to read and who likes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:40   read aloud I figured I could go on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:45   read all my old Seattle Weekly articles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:47   aloud really slowly like here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:50   thing I mean I don't know but it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:54   would have to create enough there have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   to be enough stuff that it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:58   channel rather than just like here's 15 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00   episodes of a thing I'll be nice if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   had something something thematic to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04   ride themes themes would be a good theme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:08   right I could read I could read aloud [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:11   all the like BDSM literature that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2891">TS</a>]

00:48:15   good idea or like the way you did with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   where she can do is harm but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:20   correspondence you chose to include with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   that wonderful booklet right John you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   are such a bullshit artist yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:26   Oh read every angry letter I ever got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:29   from anybody back so great now you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:35   listen to Spotify you're not gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2915">TS</a>]

00:48:37   to see John's angry correspondence king [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:38   coming you know I got it there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   something on Facebook the other day from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:41   someone of my generation saying do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   people listen to albums anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:46   but a lot of the people that replied who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:48   are music business people they they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:51   there was all this love for the EP which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:54   you know what labels that sounds very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:58   very like a retcon but you buddy well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:02   you buddy peed because you were a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:03   superfan and wanted this one tracker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05   because you were cheap these were never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   the preferred way to get it it's just i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09   bought stuff on EP i eventually got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11   stuff on EP because like you would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:12   this rare version of behind the wall of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:14   sleep that was live but like I'd rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:17   have you know the the original you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:19   LP well I'm like an idiot we didn't put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:22   commander thanks allowed on an LP it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:25   only put it on an EP but no they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:28   saying digital EPS like you know like we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:31   said any mean anymore don't release 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:34   songs it's a very iTunes II thing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:37   when you go into iTunes and you see like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39   they might be giants obviously have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   this a lot of bands have done this Queen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:42   have done this there's all these bands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:43   with oh my god what are all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:44   things it's just single single single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:46   EEP EEP EEP it must have something to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:48   with the way that things are calculated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:50   or distributed you need to EPP well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:53   I liked when I discovered I discovered a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   new band a little bit ago and I found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:58   four of their tunes like I listened to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   tune I liked it I listened to another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:03   tune full of apprehension please don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   let me hate their second song I liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:07   too this is you know where you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:10   oh shit the hook is in and I listened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:13   a third song really crossing my fingers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   like please don't let them only have two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   good songs and I liked the third song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:20   and by the time I got to the fourth song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:22   that I liked I said enough it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:27   blackjack it was like I'm gonna hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:30   because it can't they cannot possibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:33   take this winning streak all the way out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:34   to five and I got four of them so like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:37   leave me be with these four is enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:40   to listen to on repeat mr. Bandai no car [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:44   seat car seat headrest car seat headrest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:48   aren't work by elephant but the but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:59   it struck me as was like oh shit this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   an EP I just self-feed this band hmm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:06   yeah well interesting like four Tunes is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:09   kind of can pull out four cartoons right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:13   I mean if if all INXS had ever done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:16   throughout their whole career was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:17   put out four songs every year and a half [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:20   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:28   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   becomes an e-book there will be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   compilation of all the things we just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:33   choose to disagree on good stuff they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:37   had that dream on white girl black girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:40   song I like that song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:41   are you saying that you do not think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:45   that INXS had any good songs no no no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:48   think she Bhushan ball had some really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:49   good stuff on it and you're right three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:51   P's like the weird period like before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   they got super duper popular like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:56   period before soup and salad bar like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:58   they had some really good they had some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:00   really good singles for sure good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:01   singles I just I think I kind of got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:04   little fatigued on there Bam Bam oh yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:08   from kick on yeah I I can't listen to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3128">TS</a>]

00:52:11   but like that early eighties stuff but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:13   like I think the one thing is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:15   good it's a really good song yeah a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   little look um you know they were they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:20   were up there with you too in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:22   like who was good in 1981 yeah and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:27   don't followed them all the way to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:32   first album like like a listen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:36   thieves listen like these I followed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:39   them that far what pseudo salad bar that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:44   was not any farther suicide blonde was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:50   hell it was that 1990 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52   yeah jiminy Christmas it's late it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:55   late salad bar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   so kick when I was in college kick was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3177">TS</a>]

00:53:00   popular and I felt like that was there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:04   pour some sugar on me like they had they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   jumped the shark but up until then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   listen like thieves had had that song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:12   that was very pop that I think most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:15   normal people did not want to hear but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:18   did which was watch a need get me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:21   watching me yeah that's that's for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:25   I'm fine with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   oh this time it had this time what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   believe last time this time is a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   good song like this well this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:33   I'm saying so here we go yeah there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3213">TS</a>]

00:53:35   two really good songs on on listen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:39   thieves and I do not count listen like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:41   thieves the song that's one student [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43   that's what you need in this time super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:46   two songs and then you go back to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:50   swing the record before that and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:53   looking like you're looking at you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   original sin yeah burn for you I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3235">TS</a>]

00:54:01   that was that was my by year yeah only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   one good song who Shabbat came out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:05   that crazy fucking summer summer 82 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:08   there was so much good New Wave and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:11   has got oh don't change don't change is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13   a good song it's a really good song so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:15   yeah there it is right there damn freak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:17   salt on that record you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:19   look at anything else yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:21   and that dachshund on the cover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   underneath the colors let's hope that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:26   this continues my theory no doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:29   just has that one song stay on which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:31   don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   listen 8:00 p.m. to go and then their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   first record definitely had where was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:40   why boy a black girl that's the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42   was an EP I think that's the dream on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:44   white boy black girl so I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:46   easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:46   I think that's an EP let me look uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:50   countdown Awards Grammy Awards okay it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:54   might be a thing that has a name that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:57   just glanced over that we don't remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   them I'm gonna get it I'm gonna get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   I'm gonna get it box that's extended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:02   plays [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:03   ah could be wrong deca dance derp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:08   deca dance is it original sin is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:10   the song no that's not it is it may be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:13   original sin not going to YouTube I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:17   cut all this out yeah no Rachel oh but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:21   also I will go as far as saying that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:24   never tear us apart is a good song [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:26   that's the one song kick that I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3326">TS</a>]

00:55:29   I'll allow you just overdid it with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:32   bat down okay original sir I mean it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:35   you know it's like orc pop but I'm I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:38   100% down with orc pop mmm I should have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:43   been an orc popper what that mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   orchestral pop oh oh oh no no what about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:48   what about it Tears for Fears where do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:50   you stay one Tears for Fears today well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3350">TS</a>]

00:55:53   you know Tears for Fears with directions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:55   back and forth in the public eye I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57   like you and I have talked about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:58   before probably the time I was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:01   opposed to Tears for Fears because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:02   the over emotive faces they weren't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:06   echo and the Bunnymen 2.0 for me we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   like I incorrectly lumped them in so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3368">TS</a>]

00:56:11   my head echo in the bunny man was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:12   almost like a goth band which couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:14   be well not further from the truth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:15   but like they were a really good guitar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:17   pop band like you know fantastic songs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:19   and that was bad on me for lumping them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:20   in with like what I thought was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22   silly rock and I think yeah I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:25   Tears for Fears has mostly aged pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:28   well and there's really really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:30   good singers I you know their songs are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:33   really good it was our good friend Mike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   Squires friend of the program Mike Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   program who's a metalhead who turned me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:43   back around on Tears for Fears and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:45   was like hey man you got to get on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47   right side of Tears for Fears because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:49   they're great they're mine right I said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:52   I don't have to get on the right side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:53   anything and he was like no no seriously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   this is a really great record and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:58   again one of these situations somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:00   sat me down like you sat me down in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:03   front of the office he sat me down in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:04   front of that the tears for the tears is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:08   for Fears is and and it was absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:13   true like George Michael says listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:14   without prejudice you get back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:15   listen to these outside of that con [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   maybe not watching the music videos [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:18   that's it you know cuz I see video but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:23   like sowing the seeds of love it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:24   of a silly song but like I still think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:26   that's a really a generally good psych [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:27   pop song but you remember you remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   the power you know the the power that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:36   music video had at the time so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:38   make-or-break how you felt about a thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:41   and famous cars would have gotten as big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:43   as they got without the videos on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   heartbeat city I mean the cars were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:48   those songs are so great but Ric Ocasek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:51   and those his faith and those crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:54   videos and polina parts of Cova yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:58   supermodel that was all very very like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:01   it was so graphic and even then bands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:06   were putting out videos where it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:07   just like a camcorder and some like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:11   after after effect well that's why those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   records especially we remember when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:14   video from magic came out he was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:15   walking on water in the pool and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17   like oh my god because it's gonna win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:19   all of the MTV like special Achievement [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   Awards and yeah I mean wasn't their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   finest work but like its they're good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   pop songs they had a little bit of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:26   synchronicity problem synchronicity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:27   another one that goes on the list I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:28   believe isn't that another one we agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   to disagree I'm Pro synchronicity okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:33   yeah but no is it I know that you I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:36   that you have feelings about it close to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:38   the machine baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:39   I mean post synchronicity you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:43   is there Russians Russians love their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:45   children too but with rhyming dictionary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:48   famously Billy Squier came out with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:52   music video where he would see him sing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:55   rock mean Internet in a in a pink tank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:58   top that was that was the the room of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:01   its time that that is a very difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:03   video to watch today yeah well and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:06   his record sales went away yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:08   apparently because of the video but a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:11   lot of that stuff like the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:12   that you saw sting in dream of the blue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:14   turtles do that weird dance with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:16   Stratocaster I never wanted to I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   wouldn't I didn't want to ever see sting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   again I didn't want to see him right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   because it was such a weird dance and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:25   think Tears for Fears had a lot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:27   like just the way there the way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:29   composed there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:30   while they sang it just was so emo yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:35   I was like I don't want to watch you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:36   guys here do like grossing me out with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:38   your emo it's unseemly it's that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:44   was it that was a kind of like a strat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:45   dance that I think like been from Death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:48   Cab kind of refined into making his own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   thing he he has a special guitar dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:52   that I think is very effective he does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:55   hip a hip a rhythmic not in a sexy way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:57   but a rhythmic hip thrusting thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+BmENHubUw/3597">TS</a>]