The Incomparable

131: Professor Siracusa`s Anime 101


00:00:07   the incomparable number 131 marks 2013 [TS]

00:00:14   welcome back to the incomparable i am [TS]

00:00:17   your host Jason smell and this is an [TS]

00:00:19   exciting episode [TS]

00:00:21   unlike most episodes of the [TS]

00:00:23   uncomfortable where I sort of pick a [TS]

00:00:25   topic and it's a topic that pleases me [TS]

00:00:27   and and I i see if other people are [TS]

00:00:30   interested in in saying nice things are [TS]

00:00:32   horrible things about the topic that [TS]

00:00:33   pleases me [TS]

00:00:34   this is something that I've been calling [TS]

00:00:36   John siracusa makes us watch anime and [TS]

00:00:39   basically I said to John pick a couple [TS]

00:00:41   of movies that you like and I will watch [TS]

00:00:44   them and then we'll talk about them and [TS]

00:00:47   that's what happened so joining me [TS]

00:00:50   of course is John siracusa he is the [TS]

00:00:53   ringmaster he tells us what to watch [TS]

00:00:55   hi John hello jason i hope you were [TS]

00:00:58   entertained [TS]

00:00:59   I was but we'll get to that also joining [TS]

00:01:01   me on this journey of watching watching [TS]

00:01:04   these two movies that John instructed us [TS]

00:01:07   to the two people who took up the [TS]

00:01:08   challenge our Tony sindelar hi Tony [TS]

00:01:12   hi good to have you back boy you're on [TS]

00:01:14   all the time now I I don't know why it's [TS]

00:01:17   a major i am yeah I reply to emails at [TS]

00:01:19   standard yes that's right you have [TS]

00:01:21   nothing better to do than be on the [TS]

00:01:22   podcast it's that kind of season in New [TS]

00:01:25   England you know a lot of Snowden that's [TS]

00:01:27   true that's a good point that's a good [TS]

00:01:28   point maybe we lose all the new [TS]

00:01:30   englanders in the in the summertime [TS]

00:01:32   also joining us is Lisa Schmeisser hi [TS]

00:01:35   Lisa [TS]

00:01:36   hi it's a pleasure to be here it's great [TS]

00:01:38   to have you as always [TS]

00:01:39   so our topic it's two films by satoshi [TS]

00:01:45   kon is that right John I google for this [TS]

00:01:48   before the show figuring some what we're [TS]

00:01:50   going to say this guy's name I want to [TS]

00:01:51   know how to pronounce that I came up [TS]

00:01:53   with nothing [TS]

00:01:53   so I'm we should just preemptively [TS]

00:01:55   apologize for what will undoubtedly be [TS]

00:01:57   the terrible mispronunciation of every [TS]

00:02:00   Japanese p.m. free japanese person's [TS]

00:02:02   name yeah we are sorry still chic on [TS]

00:02:05   animated film director in Japan passed [TS]

00:02:08   away in 2010 made for features and then [TS]

00:02:12   some shows is that right John something [TS]

00:02:15   like that something like that i haven't [TS]

00:02:16   seen everything he's done but I've seen [TS]

00:02:18   the well-known ones and we're going to [TS]

00:02:22   talk about perfect blue made in 1997 and [TS]

00:02:25   millennium actress made in [TS]

00:02:27   2001a I i watch these on an airplane as [TS]

00:02:32   we were saying before the show jon said [TS]

00:02:35   that might not be the best place to do [TS]

00:02:37   it since it's some point they're [TS]

00:02:39   animated boobs like oh god who saw the [TS]

00:02:42   but nobody saw it I was I was prepared I [TS]

00:02:45   suspected there might be animated boobs [TS]

00:02:48   at some point and there there were john [TS]

00:02:51   i imagine that you have opening remarks [TS]

00:02:54   or would like to at least set the stage [TS]

00:02:56   for this and then and then presumably [TS]

00:02:57   will talk and then you'll reveal your [TS]

00:02:59   true feelings at the end is that how [TS]

00:03:01   this is gonna work [TS]

00:03:02   I don't know will say i do have opening [TS]

00:03:04   comments but I think we can just talk [TS]

00:03:06   about both of them [TS]

00:03:06   alright always together as a group [TS]

00:03:08   that's excellent yeah i'm i'm always [TS]

00:03:10   surprised at how few people in our [TS]

00:03:12   rotating cast of thousands on the [TS]

00:03:15   incomparable are into anime we can find [TS]

00:03:18   people who like books and fantasy novels [TS]

00:03:20   and science fiction and television and [TS]

00:03:21   movies but no anime people so that means [TS]

00:03:23   the think the genesis of the show is [TS]

00:03:25   that you know I i wish we had more [TS]

00:03:29   people talk about any with and I I want [TS]

00:03:31   to pick some movies to throw at people [TS]

00:03:34   who aren't necessarily big anime fans [TS]

00:03:37   and then see what we have to to say [TS]

00:03:39   about it so I picked these two movies in [TS]

00:03:42   particular because i think they are [TS]

00:03:45   interesting examples for people who are [TS]

00:03:48   not a giant fans of my first love you [TS]

00:03:50   are a fan of anime you've already seen [TS]

00:03:51   these movies it's like discussing Star [TS]

00:03:52   Wars you know it's like not maybe not [TS]

00:03:54   that level but if they're very well [TS]

00:03:55   known popularly never do that on this [TS]

00:03:57   graph exactly you know but the reason I [TS]

00:04:00   picked these two is 12 by the same [TS]

00:04:02   director as you as you noted so kind of [TS]

00:04:05   like holding one of the variable study [TS]

00:04:06   if we can they both have female leads [TS]

00:04:09   they're both set in kind of a realistic [TS]

00:04:11   world with you know certain fantasy [TS]

00:04:13   elements always there by artistic [TS]

00:04:14   license kind of their not well known by [TS]

00:04:18   non ma fans did did have you ever heard [TS]

00:04:20   of these movies before I suggested Jason [TS]

00:04:22   either one [TS]

00:04:22   no never yes no not even just like title [TS]

00:04:25   recognition so that's why they're good [TS]

00:04:26   yeah this could have been fictional [TS]

00:04:28   titles from that you made up right there [TS]

00:04:31   really [TS]

00:04:32   and the final reason is they don't [TS]

00:04:35   conform to the most commonly known anime [TS]

00:04:37   stereotypes you don't know what anime is [TS]

00:04:39   and someone says the board what picture [TS]

00:04:40   pops [TS]

00:04:41   your head it's like I'm not like that [TS]

00:04:43   giant robot school girls in uniforms and [TS]

00:04:45   animals bringing teenagers magic [TS]

00:04:48   monsters giant eyeballs blue hair like [TS]

00:04:50   all at once [TS]

00:04:51   yes basically star Blazers really do not [TS]

00:04:54   do not speak LOL i love Star Blazers are [TS]

00:04:57   saying they're right so we're off to [TS]

00:05:01   have it and maybe a monkey but ya know [TS]

00:05:04   that speed racer [TS]

00:05:04   hmm yeah and so that's what most people [TS]

00:05:06   think of when they hear anime and I [TS]

00:05:08   wanted to counter that because i'm a fan [TS]

00:05:11   of anime but not so much a fan of the [TS]

00:05:13   stereotypical anime so that's why I [TS]

00:05:14   picked these two movies and I think they [TS]

00:05:16   provide an interesting contrast to each [TS]

00:05:18   other spoken about in the sequence and [TS]

00:05:21   viewed one after the other [TS]

00:05:22   yes they do i watch them back-to-back [TS]

00:05:25   yeah that's it but it's kind of like a [TS]

00:05:28   nice double header and so that that [TS]

00:05:30   that's my opening right [TS]

00:05:31   the idea behind this I have to make a [TS]

00:05:33   confession i watch these movies in [TS]

00:05:36   alphabetical order [TS]

00:05:38   Jason and you're watching on a plane [TS]

00:05:42   watch them in the wrong order we'll talk [TS]

00:05:43   about them in the right order and I [TS]

00:05:45   think that yes that would be good so [TS]

00:05:46   perfect blue which features my favorite [TS]

00:05:50   pop idol band of all time job with an [TS]

00:05:54   exclamation points eh am ! it ! [TS]

00:05:58   broadband name [TS]

00:05:59   yes I believe it is it's in the titles [TS]

00:06:03   and it's on their posters and it's a [TS]

00:06:04   good idea to check out the id3 tag [TS]

00:06:07   information on my music collection to [TS]

00:06:09   see what's gonna Ram you you were the [TS]

00:06:13   crazed fan who is very angry that mean i [TS]

00:06:16   left the band aren't you a better is a [TS]

00:06:18   trio anyway so this this movie is about [TS]

00:06:21   a singer and a pop band that hasn't [TS]

00:06:25   quite made it big they've been there [TS]

00:06:26   kinda small-time named cham and mema [TS]

00:06:29   quits the band to become an actress and [TS]

00:06:33   she's in this TV show called the double [TS]

00:06:37   bind and she's got a small part and her [TS]

00:06:41   fans and some of her management is kind [TS]

00:06:42   of upset because she giving up a good [TS]

00:06:44   thing with this pop group to become a a [TS]

00:06:47   an actress [TS]

00:06:50   meanwhile her band which is now a duo [TS]

00:06:52   actually gets on the charts with a song [TS]

00:06:54   so she may be feel some regret or does [TS]

00:06:56   she and so that's that's sort of like [TS]

00:06:59   the basic the basics of it except [TS]

00:07:01   there's a there's a stalker who has a [TS]

00:07:04   website there's some really awesome [TS]

00:07:08   performer and early world-wide-web done [TS]

00:07:11   in this movie OS night explaining what [TS]

00:07:14   websites are two people save that I want [TS]

00:07:16   I want to have an in-depth discussion [TS]

00:07:18   about that movie before we transition [TS]

00:07:19   because I've got some sorry shots I key [TS]

00:07:22   part of the movie how you explain the [TS]

00:07:24   internet to people in 1998 yeah one of [TS]

00:07:27   the reasons I wanted you to watch this [TS]

00:07:28   movie first was because of the opening [TS]

00:07:30   scene which is a misdirect i don't know [TS]

00:07:32   if you remember it [TS]

00:07:33   no yes yes it's got the robot battle at [TS]

00:07:35   first both of these movies start with a [TS]

00:07:37   misdirect it's right that that are are a [TS]

00:07:39   hat tip to what you'd expect from an [TS]

00:07:41   anime movie [TS]

00:07:42   exactly and so you got well this [TS]

00:07:44   certainly the person with the power [TS]

00:07:45   rangers and everything like that and if [TS]

00:07:46   you come in like the title tells you [TS]

00:07:48   nothing like you said what the heck is [TS]

00:07:49   perfect blue mean means nothing to you [TS]

00:07:51   going in even if you see no that's you [TS]

00:07:53   know the plot you just summarize what [TS]

00:07:55   does that have to do with perfect little [TS]

00:07:56   nose and you see the people singing and [TS]

00:07:58   they run out on stage and then then it [TS]

00:08:02   you know to their little catchy j-pop [TS]

00:08:04   song and everything everyone's happy in [TS]

00:08:05   their little pink dresses and stuff and [TS]

00:08:07   then it kind of goes discordant phase [TS]

00:08:10   two white and it's kind of like ominous [TS]

00:08:12   which is not what you would expect from [TS]

00:08:14   starting with power rangers then j-pop [TS]

00:08:16   people then kind of like a weird white [TS]

00:08:19   face the music goes away and it's kind [TS]

00:08:21   of like scary [TS]

00:08:22   alright so three things within like the [TS]

00:08:25   first 30 seconds of this movie or the [TS]

00:08:26   first opening sequence and make are not [TS]

00:08:28   what people expect from anime anime but [TS]

00:08:31   what I really like about anime because [TS]

00:08:33   you can do anything you want animation [TS]

00:08:34   yeah i think my wife looked over at my [TS]

00:08:38   ipad while I was watching the first 30 [TS]

00:08:40   seconds of this and I believe she [TS]

00:08:42   actually rolled her eyes I thought no [TS]

00:08:44   i'm not watching the power rangers movie [TS]

00:08:46   John wouldn't have done that to mr. act [TS]

00:08:48   mr. act what it's about [TS]

00:08:50   yeah exactly it does touch on something [TS]

00:08:53   that I really like about this movie [TS]

00:08:54   because i feel like it gives you an [TS]

00:08:57   excellent snapshot of pop culture life [TS]

00:09:00   and in japan in the late nineteen [TS]

00:09:02   nineties you have pop idols who have to [TS]

00:09:04   write elevated trains everywhere because [TS]

00:09:06   they're not rolling in big bucks you got [TS]

00:09:08   this [TS]

00:09:08   fan culture that seems to be as much [TS]

00:09:10   about scoring points on each other as it [TS]

00:09:12   is actually being fans of something [TS]

00:09:14   you've got these websites that are kind [TS]

00:09:16   of early there they're almost like early [TS]

00:09:17   social media I'd I felt like I got to [TS]

00:09:21   eavesdrop on on a picture of another [TS]

00:09:23   culture that was actually a huge drop [TS]

00:09:25   the movie for me were all the little [TS]

00:09:26   quotidian details that go into the [TS]

00:09:28   entertainment that keeps Japan you know [TS]

00:09:30   abused I always have like a westerner is [TS]

00:09:33   fascination with anime because like [TS]

00:09:35   pretty much everything I know about [TS]

00:09:37   japan trip has been from watching anime [TS]

00:09:40   and like you said the boring things will [TS]

00:09:42   be I I feel like people in Japan don't [TS]

00:09:44   get this experience of an away because [TS]

00:09:46   the boring things will be fascinating to [TS]

00:09:48   me like just how people live in a little [TS]

00:09:49   tiny apartments in the grocery shopping [TS]

00:09:51   stop lying little girl and she likes a [TS]

00:09:53   specific branch now who would not have [TS]

00:09:55   won and they can comment on it [TS]

00:09:57   yeah and that got me thinking about like [TS]

00:09:58   the square watermelons that were grown [TS]

00:10:00   for the japanese market so that you know [TS]

00:10:02   they did they did gross square [TS]

00:10:03   watermelons because she could stack them [TS]

00:10:04   more efficiently in the small spaces and [TS]

00:10:06   is always the question in my mind is how [TS]

00:10:08   much of the stuff in his movies is made [TS]

00:10:10   up [TS]

00:10:11   how much is an exaggeration of a [TS]

00:10:12   stereotype how much is just a plain [TS]

00:10:15   boring accurate depiction of Japanese [TS]

00:10:16   life but to me it's like it's all it's [TS]

00:10:18   all of a piece and it's like wow this is [TS]

00:10:20   amazing you never know what is gonna get [TS]

00:10:22   a Japanese person i know we don't [TS]

00:10:23   actually live like that you crazy person [TS]

00:10:24   it's not it's just made up or what they [TS]

00:10:26   say [TS]

00:10:26   yeah what you can as a rice cooker and [TS]

00:10:28   what's the big deal you know me like [TS]

00:10:29   it's so hard to separate the the fact [TS]

00:10:32   from reality but I that that is [TS]

00:10:34   definitely a draw-off watching japanese [TS]

00:10:36   animation that the boring stuff in the [TS]

00:10:38   movies is fascinating to me [TS]

00:10:41   oh yes mmm that was a big reason I kept [TS]

00:10:43   paying attention [TS]

00:10:44   um I saw the movie back in the nineteen [TS]

00:10:46   nineties when it first came out and I [TS]

00:10:50   remember that as i watched it again this [TS]

00:10:51   time out to so I don't think I qualifies [TS]

00:10:54   anime fan but I have what I i do watch [TS]

00:10:56   it here and there arm goes to the shells [TS]

00:10:59   one of my favorite movies in the late [TS]

00:11:00   nineties John I think you and I had a [TS]

00:11:02   discussion about a series called serial [TS]

00:11:04   experiments lain yes not a big fan of [TS]

00:11:06   that I like that one [TS]

00:11:08   I like that one that I feel like we can [TS]

00:11:10   have a debate about that but when I went [TS]

00:11:12   back and read what I didn't like this [TS]

00:11:14   movie that much in the nineteen nineties [TS]

00:11:15   but when I went back and watched it on [TS]

00:11:17   saturday i really could appreciate how [TS]

00:11:20   tightly written it is [TS]

00:11:21   because he he he has his little 4matic [TS]

00:11:23   loop that he keeps returning to over and [TS]

00:11:25   over again about how much of your [TS]

00:11:27   identity is internal versus how much of [TS]

00:11:29   it is is thrust upon you and he just [TS]

00:11:32   keeps returning to that light motif over [TS]

00:11:34   and over again and when you're 21 years [TS]

00:11:36   old and you've just made a major career [TS]

00:11:37   move and that cur happens to be in the [TS]

00:11:39   public eye those questions are amplified [TS]

00:11:41   and I was kind of blown away by the [TS]

00:11:43   cleverness of the plotting and and the [TS]

00:11:45   character work that he did this time [TS]

00:11:47   around whereas it just kind of slid off [TS]

00:11:48   my brain last time I watched it yeah you [TS]

00:11:51   know I i have some issues with this [TS]

00:11:55   movie I liked it but I do have some [TS]

00:11:57   issues with it i think they're so it's a [TS]

00:11:59   very there's a strange period where she [TS]

00:12:02   were mima is doing her early acting and [TS]

00:12:07   and I I felt like we were all supposed [TS]

00:12:09   to be a little more concerned about her [TS]

00:12:12   well-being [TS]

00:12:13   then I actually was I felt like what [TS]

00:12:15   what's the big deal she's going to be an [TS]

00:12:17   actress now it's fine [TS]

00:12:18   let her be an actress right and and that [TS]

00:12:20   seemed for a while there I was just like [TS]

00:12:22   why is this you know the popular wasn't [TS]

00:12:25   even that successful white why didn't [TS]

00:12:27   feel her angst and her doubt about what [TS]

00:12:29   is the right thing to be doing [TS]

00:12:31   no I thought that she was I thought [TS]

00:12:33   actually for a while I thought she was [TS]

00:12:35   handling it better than everybody around [TS]

00:12:37   ya know she definitely she definitely [TS]

00:12:38   was that I think that's I think the the [TS]

00:12:41   performance it's hard to talk about [TS]

00:12:42   performances and movies aren't actors [TS]

00:12:44   their drawings right but i think the [TS]

00:12:46   performances that they give these [TS]

00:12:47   characters in the movie are actually [TS]

00:12:49   extremely subtle and complex it [TS]

00:12:53   I you know precisely for that reason [TS]

00:12:55   because like you know she she's she [TS]

00:12:57   seems like it's used to determine person [TS]

00:12:59   she's leaving this group she's going to [TS]

00:13:01   go to this other thing and as you said [TS]

00:13:03   everyone else is all flipping out about [TS]

00:13:04   it but she's like no this is what I have [TS]

00:13:06   to do i'm just going to go forward and [TS]

00:13:08   do it and you're wondering like is you [TS]

00:13:10   know is is she really is confident she's [TS]

00:13:12   putting out does she have some sort of [TS]

00:13:13   doubts and i think that the movie does a [TS]

00:13:14   good job of breaking that down slowly it [TS]

00:13:17   so she starts to come apart it's not [TS]

00:13:19   like oh she's just you know crazy from [TS]

00:13:21   from the get-go and doesn't know what's [TS]

00:13:23   going on like she she seems like a [TS]

00:13:25   normal person doing the right thing [TS]

00:13:27   that's exactly who you want to seeby i [TS]

00:13:29   think in peril and a movie like this [TS]

00:13:30   like a good person doing what they're [TS]

00:13:32   supposed to do but [TS]

00:13:33   a situation conspires to you know sit [TS]

00:13:36   fantastical situation conspires to put [TS]

00:13:38   her you know in danger because the John [TS]

00:13:40   she's an emotional John McClane is this [TS]

00:13:42   movie [TS]

00:13:43   what a parallel of the cultural metaphor [TS]

00:13:45   that I think kind of kind of [TS]

00:13:47   encapsulates it and this goes back is [TS]

00:13:50   from last season on sons of anarchy you [TS]

00:13:52   had an actress named ashley tisdale [TS]

00:13:54   portraying a hooker in which again at [TS]

00:13:56   sons of anarchy so it's kind of water [TS]

00:13:58   while whores but the big deal about [TS]

00:14:00   Ashley Tisdale was she was in a bowl of [TS]

00:14:02   the High School Musical movies and and [TS]

00:14:04   was a Disney kid the image of squeaky [TS]

00:14:06   clean and all my god now she's like a [TS]

00:14:07   hooker on FX drama and I kind of got the [TS]

00:14:10   idea that maybe there was that that [TS]

00:14:12   discomfort with a squeaky-clean yeah [TS]

00:14:15   adorooo being transposed into an overtly [TS]

00:14:18   sexual role and people were i'm not sure [TS]

00:14:22   how to handle this person who is [TS]

00:14:23   exercising free agency of her career and [TS]

00:14:25   mema herself may have been ambivalent [TS]

00:14:27   about it because let's face it when you [TS]

00:14:30   go from putting on a little dress and [TS]

00:14:31   dancing to an audience to being [TS]

00:14:32   gang-raped in a nightclub [TS]

00:14:34   um you are probably going to ask a few [TS]

00:14:36   questions about what about the direction [TS]

00:14:37   you're going in is really the right one [TS]

00:14:39   yeah IIM and by the time we get to that [TS]

00:14:42   point makes sense I guess what I'm [TS]

00:14:43   saying is that is that she seems very [TS]

00:14:45   centered for that it from the beginning [TS]

00:14:48   and everybody around her seem so far the [TS]

00:14:51   other way that it seems really weird for [TS]

00:14:53   me that they were they were so far apart [TS]

00:14:54   i think that's a little bit of the [TS]

00:14:56   culture of you know these idol singers [TS]

00:14:59   that like the Phantom around the methods [TS]

00:15:01   part was part of the reason she wanted [TS]

00:15:02   to get out of that right and them around [TS]

00:15:03   them is so insane you know right down to [TS]

00:15:06   that the management and the people you [TS]

00:15:08   know and like there are some hard how [TS]

00:15:09   stable like look she's going to be an [TS]

00:15:11   actress but she's got to do that's it [TS]

00:15:12   and you know but everyone else in her [TS]

00:15:15   life like she's escaping you know that [TS]

00:15:17   that's why she seems in building one [TS]

00:15:19   when the 22 people she left start to [TS]

00:15:21   become successful is like mama you know [TS]

00:15:23   maybe I should have gone with them [TS]

00:15:24   whatever on the other hand I'm also kind [TS]

00:15:26   of glad to be out of that so i like i [TS]

00:15:28   like that moment actually where she's [TS]

00:15:29   like you know it's fine i'm doing this [TS]

00:15:30   now this is the right this is the right [TS]

00:15:32   thing for me to do I a so another thing [TS]

00:15:35   I went on to bring up that's in that [TS]

00:15:36   first scene when there when she [TS]

00:15:38   announced her departure is the way that [TS]

00:15:41   the the guy who I guess we call me mania [TS]

00:15:44   maybe [TS]

00:15:46   Mina yeah is the stalker he is drawn [TS]

00:15:50   which is like his my eyes are so far [TS]

00:15:52   apart that you know is why God in his [TS]

00:15:55   temples and we frequently we feel only [TS]

00:15:58   1i right his face obscured brighter and [TS]

00:16:01   they're like kind of haunting black eyes [TS]

00:16:03   and weird teeth and he's a super creepy [TS]

00:16:06   almost like deformed face guy and I I [TS]

00:16:12   thought that was really strange to that [TS]

00:16:13   dead and there's a reason I you know it [TS]

00:16:16   it's it was clear to me at the beginning [TS]

00:16:19   that this guy was really obviously [TS]

00:16:21   creepy and a stalker and that there was [TS]

00:16:23   probably a reason why he was so [TS]

00:16:25   obviously creepy and stalker because [TS]

00:16:26   otherwise you try to conceal him a [TS]

00:16:29   little bit more her but I still I I [TS]

00:16:31   found it I found it disturbing and yet [TS]

00:16:33   also really strange that he was so weird [TS]

00:16:36   it from the beginning [TS]

00:16:38   it's a convention of automated [TS]

00:16:39   apparently it's called donk gon k and [TS]

00:16:42   the idea is that you're something that [TS]

00:16:45   you're supposed to be absurdly ugly and [TS]

00:16:47   you deliberately and without subtlety [TS]

00:16:50   and it's supposed to be a signifier to [TS]

00:16:52   character and plot development but that [TS]

00:16:54   because I think I guess what the [TS]

00:16:55   animation style this movie and it's like [TS]

00:16:57   it [TS]

00:16:58   this stop it's not the gigantic heads [TS]

00:17:01   with eyes that take up two-thirds of the [TS]

00:17:02   surface and spiky blue hair right but on [TS]

00:17:04   the other hand like if I had to [TS]

00:17:06   categorize to know this is like this is [TS]

00:17:07   realistic animation the people have the [TS]

00:17:09   proportions of human beings their arms [TS]

00:17:11   and legs are the correct length their [TS]

00:17:12   heads are the more or less the correct [TS]

00:17:14   size in proportion to their bodies [TS]

00:17:15   so you're like alright just you know it [TS]

00:17:18   could almost be rotoscope right it's [TS]

00:17:19   realistic but it's not because if you [TS]

00:17:20   look at the people i mean he's the most [TS]

00:17:21   obvious example if you look at anything [TS]

00:17:23   they are not actually correctly [TS]

00:17:24   proportion they fool you into thinking [TS]

00:17:26   you're watching the world with regular [TS]

00:17:27   people but the trick of the animation is [TS]

00:17:30   you know really their eyes are a little [TS]

00:17:31   bit bigger than they should be [TS]

00:17:33   and you know there's very few lines [TS]

00:17:35   making up to do that it's it's more [TS]

00:17:38   expressive than it would be if it was [TS]

00:17:39   rotoscoped for ECG or something that [TS]

00:17:41   because the things that they draw can't [TS]

00:17:43   exist in real life so this is if you [TS]

00:17:44   tried to make a CG version of that of [TS]

00:17:46   the mania guy it would just be it would [TS]

00:17:49   take you out of the movie it would break [TS]

00:17:51   math it already kind of it adds to hell [TS]

00:17:53   unsettling he looks right is that the [TS]

00:17:55   other characters especially frequency [TS]

00:17:57   and crowd scenes right the other [TS]

00:17:58   characters he's around [TS]

00:18:00   kind of generic normal-looking right and [TS]

00:18:02   he is he is kind of the most cartoony I [TS]

00:18:05   mean that even just like the other fans [TS]

00:18:07   like this with them are benign fans [TS]

00:18:09   York's objectify are nevertheless but [TS]

00:18:11   still are at least not overtly crazy [TS]

00:18:14   they look strange to like they become [TS]

00:18:16   more character likeness is a sucky [TS]

00:18:18   Kwanzaa movies there's a lot of the you [TS]

00:18:21   know the people you look at one person [TS]

00:18:23   like it's an old person but if you go [TS]

00:18:24   down if you lined up all the characters [TS]

00:18:26   you'd be like wow now we're really [TS]

00:18:27   getting into caricatures over there it's [TS]

00:18:28   almost like a loony toons type thing but [TS]

00:18:30   it's it's a gradual gradation i wish [TS]

00:18:33   they hadn't made him so ugly because i [TS]

00:18:35   feel like that really tip the hand early [TS]

00:18:37   on [TS]

00:18:37   um yeah since this movie does rely on a [TS]

00:18:40   surprise up i'm going to bring the [TS]

00:18:42   spoiler horn but since the movie does [TS]

00:18:43   rely on a surprise twist into excuse to [TS]

00:18:46   try and explain everything that goes on [TS]

00:18:47   I felt that if you have somebody who [TS]

00:18:49   looks up so obviously sinister and [TS]

00:18:52   behaves in such an obviously unhinged [TS]

00:18:53   away cuz he's the first one to draw [TS]

00:18:55   blood movie yeah [TS]

00:18:56   mhm then you know your sort of [TS]

00:18:58   broadcasting here be a villain whereas [TS]

00:19:00   if it's somebody who is deceptively [TS]

00:19:02   normal-looking um I forget the name of [TS]

00:19:04   the pornographer character but what was [TS]

00:19:06   some photographer guy [TS]

00:19:08   yeah yeah the photographer / [TS]

00:19:09   pornographer one of one of the things I [TS]

00:19:11   thought was interesting was the way he [TS]

00:19:12   casually holds out his hand and an [TS]

00:19:14   assistant puts in another camera and he [TS]

00:19:15   just keeps the moment going and and it's [TS]

00:19:17   obvious he's doing a job and he has no [TS]

00:19:19   qualms about the way he's packaging and [TS]

00:19:21   marketing nema and I actually thought [TS]

00:19:22   that was a little bit spookier and [TS]

00:19:24   creepier than you know internet [TS]

00:19:25   wall-eyed internet loner runs website [TS]

00:19:28   well that's that's kind of like to think [TS]

00:19:29   that she would you know that they can [TS]

00:19:31   make a point of emphasizing or [TS]

00:19:32   objectification is the pop idol and she [TS]

00:19:34   wants to be like a serious actress but [TS]

00:19:36   then just ends up falling back into the [TS]

00:19:37   same traps like I guess this is what I [TS]

00:19:39   kind of have to do but in the other hand [TS]

00:19:40   now here I am doing these things that [TS]

00:19:42   you can tell she's not as comfortable [TS]

00:19:44   with it she would like to be and that's [TS]

00:19:46   that's eventually to her breakdown is [TS]

00:19:49   that like she was trying to you know [TS]

00:19:51   Escape that world when she has that [TS]

00:19:52   quote where she says well a lot of [TS]

00:19:54   people have gone to a lot of effort for [TS]

00:19:55   me to do this I don't want to let them [TS]

00:19:57   down and you can tell she really resents [TS]

00:19:59   that too at the same time maybe she's [TS]

00:20:02   not doesn't want to be you know that the [TS]

00:20:03   whole I have to please my superiors and [TS]

00:20:05   betters and the males in my life kind of [TS]

00:20:08   thing that she's going back into this [TS]

00:20:10   there's a lot I mean for a movie that's [TS]

00:20:11   exploitative of [TS]

00:20:12   you know if people look at this all you [TS]

00:20:14   know japanese movie with these pop stars [TS]

00:20:16   and are going to be naked and they're [TS]

00:20:17   gonna be beautiful and they and they all [TS]

00:20:20   right and they are but it's like I think [TS]

00:20:22   it does an excellent job of you know [TS]

00:20:23   using that to good effect and i think i [TS]

00:20:26   think the nudity in the movie is a good [TS]

00:20:28   example of that because it there's a lot [TS]

00:20:29   of it relative to you know most non non [TS]

00:20:33   adult anime our guests but it's always [TS]

00:20:36   used in a way that conveys the plight of [TS]

00:20:39   me man being photographed like the [TS]

00:20:42   viewers made to feel uncomfortable at [TS]

00:20:44   the latest right and all and just [TS]

00:20:46   incredibly well done like it very rarely [TS]

00:20:48   have I seen the nudity and live-action [TS]

00:20:51   movies that made me feel as [TS]

00:20:52   uncomfortable as the animated movie and [TS]

00:20:54   this movie which is exactly what it's [TS]

00:20:55   supposed to do like they don't they [TS]

00:20:57   don't try to have it both ways don't try [TS]

00:20:58   so you're gonna be titillated and no [TS]

00:21:00   it's mostly just entirely uncomfortable [TS]

00:21:01   terrible the reason i'm laughing so I [TS]

00:21:05   just lands terrible i like the I also [TS]

00:21:08   like the way that the the rape scene is [TS]

00:21:11   handled where it's it's the shooting of [TS]

00:21:14   a rape scene it's not a rape [TS]

00:21:16   it's a shooting of a rape scene in a TV [TS]

00:21:18   show and so you have them preparing to [TS]

00:21:23   be on camera and then there's action and [TS]

00:21:25   then the action happens and then they [TS]

00:21:26   cut and then they're out of character [TS]

00:21:28   again and and and then they let's do it [TS]

00:21:31   again which really gets there's [TS]

00:21:33   something about that that it's the you [TS]

00:21:35   know it's this work and it's it's not [TS]

00:21:37   horrible unto itself it's that it's [TS]

00:21:40   horrible in this context of the scenes [TS]

00:21:43   that they're doing and there's a really [TS]

00:21:44   great moment where the where they have [TS]

00:21:46   the rapist actor lean screens down her [TS]

00:21:50   and says I'm sorry about this just like [TS]

00:21:52   it's fine but it's it's a that's a great [TS]

00:21:55   moment everyone's trying to be [TS]

00:21:57   professional but i think the scene does [TS]

00:21:58   a great job of saying look no matter how [TS]

00:22:00   professional you try to be it's still [TS]

00:22:01   difficult thing to do for an actress [TS]

00:22:03   like this is this is applying you know [TS]

00:22:06   this this is a stressful situation for [TS]

00:22:08   her and it's a difficult thing to do is [TS]

00:22:09   her first time doing it even though [TS]

00:22:10   everyone involved is professional and [TS]

00:22:12   trying to do things the right way or [TS]

00:22:13   whatever it's you know it's not easy and [TS]

00:22:15   I this all builds to having a realistic [TS]

00:22:18   breakdown of this character who is not a [TS]

00:22:21   flake is not a weak-willed is doing the [TS]

00:22:24   right thing but nevertheless that these [TS]

00:22:26   crazy [TS]

00:22:27   didn't conspire to to finally break her [TS]

00:22:30   down this writer by the way whoever the [TS]

00:22:33   the writer of this of this movie loves [TS]

00:22:35   must love Jodie Foster because there are [TS]

00:22:38   like at least three aspects of jodie [TS]

00:22:41   foster that have all been rolled [TS]

00:22:42   together here because the plot of double [TS]

00:22:44   bind is essentially the silence of the [TS]

00:22:46   lambs it seems because there's a serial [TS]

00:22:48   killer who's taking women's skin off [TS]

00:22:50   because he wants to be a woman [TS]

00:22:52   there's the rape scene which is they [TS]

00:22:55   have the even directly referenced is [TS]

00:22:58   what jodie foster did in the accused [TS]

00:23:01   right and of course the know nobody [TS]

00:23:06   knows what it's like to have a horrible [TS]

00:23:08   murderous stalker then Jodie Foster [TS]

00:23:10   because john hinckley was basically her [TS]

00:23:13   stalker and then shot ronald reagan so I [TS]

00:23:16   thought that was kind of interesting too [TS]

00:23:17   that it's but-but-but mima gets it all [TS]

00:23:20   at once [TS]

00:23:21   yay good good luck with that and she [TS]

00:23:24   doesn't handle it well which is not [TS]

00:23:26   surprising but it to my favorite my [TS]

00:23:28   favorite part of this movie is but I've [TS]

00:23:30   done all this work and they've built up [TS]

00:23:31   this situation oh and by the way the [TS]

00:23:33   obvious nuh some of the the mania [TS]

00:23:35   stalker thing I like that aspect another [TS]

00:23:37   reason i recommend this movie to new [TS]

00:23:38   people is that if you go in thinking [TS]

00:23:40   anime is gonna be dumb you'll be like oh [TS]

00:23:42   this dumps gonna be that guy [TS]

00:23:43   yeah you guys are looking at ash Park [TS]

00:23:44   for that but like you like it's another [TS]

00:23:46   nice misdirect because there are plenty [TS]

00:23:48   of you know and lifetime movies where [TS]

00:23:51   the creepy stalker guy is the creepy [TS]

00:23:53   stalker I for the whole move the whole [TS]

00:23:54   movie and then you know that's just what [TS]

00:23:56   it is right this is not the case missing [TS]

00:23:58   but anyway I love this all comes [TS]

00:23:59   together and they start doing that [TS]

00:24:00   sequence which is losing it and they [TS]

00:24:03   start intercutting her scenes in [TS]

00:24:05   whatever work that she's doing with her [TS]

00:24:07   life in such a way that the first time i [TS]

00:24:10   watch this [TS]

00:24:11   I actually did find myself questioning [TS]

00:24:13   what had previously understood to be the [TS]

00:24:16   reality of this movie which is what [TS]

00:24:17   they're trying to make you do it [TS]

00:24:18   normally like I'm you know I'm none too [TS]

00:24:20   smart for that they're not gonna like [TS]

00:24:21   wait a second like they they cut back [TS]

00:24:24   and forth and that the lines in the [TS]

00:24:26   movie are such a perfect fit for [TS]

00:24:29   possible explanations of this crazy [TS]

00:24:31   person who think that she was a pop star [TS]

00:24:33   and actress you know what I mean yeah [TS]

00:24:34   and they and they cut back and forth to [TS]

00:24:36   her real life and her movies I without [TS]

00:24:39   holding your hand [TS]

00:24:40   and-and-and without dumbing it down and [TS]

00:24:42   without like trying to make sure [TS]

00:24:43   everyone follows along if you go back [TS]

00:24:46   and look at it it's all completely [TS]

00:24:47   legitimate and they're not cheating and [TS]

00:24:49   it's not you know whatever but it really [TS]

00:24:51   does mess you up and so the this is like [TS]

00:24:53   a center part of this movie where I get [TS]

00:24:54   lost even watching multiple times you [TS]

00:24:57   start to get a lot even though I know [TS]

00:24:58   you know what is the actual you start to [TS]

00:24:59   get lost a little bit and that i think i [TS]

00:25:02   haven't felt in a live-action movie and [TS]

00:25:04   the longest time where they trust the [TS]

00:25:06   audience enough to intentionally confuse [TS]

00:25:08   them without using a cheat to convey [TS]

00:25:10   what the what the character is feeling [TS]

00:25:12   and it's not done with like really fast [TS]

00:25:13   cuts your special effects for dramatic [TS]

00:25:15   music is just seeing after senior like [TS]

00:25:16   we need a second because because what [TS]

00:25:18   you're doing is it since the movies like [TS]

00:25:20   this the whole way doesn't hold your [TS]

00:25:22   hand doesn't have like tons of excessive [TS]

00:25:25   exposition the creator's assume you're [TS]

00:25:27   not dumb you are paying attention and so [TS]

00:25:30   when you're paying attention when they [TS]

00:25:31   start to do that you're like wait a [TS]

00:25:32   second i'm going to figure this movie [TS]

00:25:33   out okay so how so this note really [TS]

00:25:36   she's just a crazy person all time and [TS]

00:25:37   she thinks she's a pop star that's the [TS]

00:25:39   reality is that you know which is not [TS]

00:25:41   actually the case is also another case [TS]

00:25:43   of a misdirect but I i love that I love [TS]

00:25:46   that payoff of having earned that that [TS]

00:25:49   confusing middle section of your wee-wee [TS]

00:25:51   barrel towards the Big Finish [TS]

00:25:53   yeah I guess we we should if we haven't [TS]

00:25:56   gotten to it yet we should at least [TS]

00:25:57   officially blow the spoiler warning here [TS]

00:26:02   you should probably watch this movie [TS]

00:26:06   before you listen to the rest of the [TS]

00:26:07   podcast or just you know suck it up it's [TS]

00:26:11   it's just the way it is it this movie [TS]

00:26:13   has been a long time you should have [TS]

00:26:14   watched it already it's been out for 16 [TS]

00:26:16   years [TS]

00:26:16   yeah Jason why have you watching this [TS]

00:26:18   movie I know exactly i did I have [TS]

00:26:21   watched John I know all about it [TS]

00:26:23   so here's the thing i want to talk about [TS]

00:26:25   the internet and phantom because I think [TS]

00:26:27   that's an important part of this movie [TS]

00:26:28   and and and i want to talk about a [TS]

00:26:30   little bit + mcintosh perform its [TS]

00:26:32   awesome before we get there mostly [TS]

00:26:34   didn't notice that there's some other [TS]

00:26:35   technology product that's kind of like [TS]

00:26:37   got a fake name in the movie it's like I [TS]

00:26:39   don't know whether it's like a sony or [TS]

00:26:41   HP or something like that but there's [TS]

00:26:43   something in its faked up but the Apple [TS]

00:26:44   box is rendered immaculately I thought [TS]

00:26:47   that was hilarious [TS]

00:26:48   no I want to talk about the the the [TS]

00:26:53   sequence that ends up with with the [TS]

00:26:55   reveal of who is what's really going on [TS]

00:26:57   here because what it felt like to me I [TS]

00:26:59   loved the playing with fantasy and [TS]

00:27:01   reality where we think we're watching [TS]

00:27:03   her life but it's actually the the show [TS]

00:27:06   she's on and you know and we wonder if [TS]

00:27:09   she's going crazy you know sometimes [TS]

00:27:11   she's confused is the show i'm on where [TS]

00:27:13   is my real life [TS]

00:27:14   right exactly i like i like that but [TS]

00:27:16   they're so there's the sequence of [TS]

00:27:18   scenes where she wakes up in her bedroom [TS]

00:27:20   and crazy things happen and then she [TS]

00:27:21   wakes up in her bedroom again and then [TS]

00:27:24   crazy things happen and then she wakes [TS]

00:27:25   up in her bedroom again and I felt like [TS]

00:27:27   that went on too long I felt like I and [TS]

00:27:31   here's my theory [TS]

00:27:32   my theory is that the filmmakers were so [TS]

00:27:35   concerned about smart [TS]

00:27:38   audience members figuring out right away [TS]

00:27:41   that her the managers assistant was [TS]

00:27:45   actually kind of a crazy stalker because [TS]

00:27:47   she's the one who has access to the [TS]

00:27:49   information that's on the website and [TS]

00:27:50   all that is access to the apartment [TS]

00:27:52   she's doing as a breakdown every time I [TS]

00:27:54   mean if you want to the second time it [TS]

00:27:56   is so obviously like how do you not see [TS]

00:27:57   this [TS]

00:27:58   well i saw i saw the first time so my [TS]

00:28:00   theory is that they did the reality [TS]

00:28:02   spinning stuff again and again again [TS]

00:28:04   again to make it so kind of crazy and [TS]

00:28:07   confusing that you lose track of the [TS]

00:28:11   thing that you you thought at the [TS]

00:28:12   beginning which is which is what [TS]

00:28:14   happened to me and so that when the the [TS]

00:28:16   assistant is revealed to actually be a [TS]

00:28:18   crazy stalker who then I was like oh [TS]

00:28:21   yeah right [TS]

00:28:22   from what I thought earlier but I just I [TS]

00:28:25   just thought it was too much I thought I [TS]

00:28:26   thought that it that little kind of like [TS]

00:28:28   world whirligig of of crazy is it real [TS]

00:28:31   or is it not when on like a little too [TS]

00:28:33   long like they were trying a little too [TS]

00:28:35   hard to just you know put a blindfold on [TS]

00:28:38   the audience and spin him around a few [TS]

00:28:40   times still they were diseased it's not [TS]

00:28:41   actually that long you should watch that [TS]

00:28:43   section of second time because it's [TS]

00:28:44   pretty darn type i think where the fish [TS]

00:28:46   alive where the fish dad with the fish [TS]

00:28:48   alive where the fish the first one I was [TS]

00:28:50   like okay this is cool at and when she [TS]

00:28:52   wakes up again Mike hot that's funny [TS]

00:28:54   and then when they did the third time I [TS]

00:28:55   thought yeah i thought okay i don't have [TS]

00:28:58   a good feeling of like day-in day-out [TS]

00:29:00   kind of thing like where you know day [TS]

00:29:03   after day she finds herself waiting I [TS]

00:29:05   kind of like an alcoholic blacking out [TS]

00:29:06   where you find yourself back in our like [TS]

00:29:07   Groundhog Day you find yourself back [TS]

00:29:09   again in each day you go through it and [TS]

00:29:11   it gets worse it gets a little less [TS]

00:29:13   coherent as time goes on it and they [TS]

00:29:15   kind of one of those little bit like the [TS]

00:29:17   fish that's the signifier the users with [TS]

00:29:19   a little bit weak because there again [TS]

00:29:21   they're relying on you to remember the [TS]

00:29:22   state of the fish and what does it mean [TS]

00:29:24   that they're alive and YouTube [TS]

00:29:25   immediately put together that if they're [TS]

00:29:27   alive it's a recreation you know like [TS]

00:29:28   they could have used something else for [TS]

00:29:31   that but I I i like that there was no [TS]

00:29:34   explicit exposition that I mean because [TS]

00:29:37   they had built everything up they don't [TS]

00:29:39   have to explain to you because you're [TS]

00:29:40   like oh that makes sense that yes you [TS]

00:29:42   know it's not it's not a cheat and it's [TS]

00:29:44   not out of nowhere it's not the [TS]

00:29:45   character had one line in the movie it's [TS]

00:29:47   the one that it makes total sense that [TS]

00:29:48   it would be the one that was hysterical [TS]

00:29:49   crying when she decided to do the nude [TS]

00:29:51   scene all that stuff like she was nuts [TS]

00:29:53   from the beginning of the movie even if [TS]

00:29:54   you didn't see it like you didn't see it [TS]

00:29:55   for the same reason that maybe didn't [TS]

00:29:57   see it because you just have you are as [TS]

00:29:58   the assistant is like a side character [TS]

00:29:59   psycho she just stared help me whatever [TS]

00:30:01   you know what you should be paying more [TS]

00:30:04   attention to the air and early anyway [TS]

00:30:06   that was my feeling is that there was a [TS]

00:30:07   little too much of that and it was I [TS]

00:30:09   think just trying to get enough of the [TS]

00:30:12   misdirect so that when that twist came [TS]

00:30:13   later on you would have you you were off [TS]

00:30:16   of the first thing at least that's how [TS]

00:30:17   played for me because you know I just [TS]

00:30:20   yet that was that it pushed it a little [TS]

00:30:22   too far for my taste I thought they were [TS]

00:30:24   trying a little too hard and unlike the [TS]

00:30:26   sixth sense i think once you know the [TS]

00:30:27   twisted this movie it doesn't be [TS]

00:30:29   unless entertaining like it's not really [TS]

00:30:31   like the twist its fine its there it is [TS]

00:30:34   what it is but it's that the strength of [TS]

00:30:38   the movie is not in that part in all its [TS]

00:30:40   in the characterization and the way [TS]

00:30:42   things unfold like i like i like the [TS]

00:30:43   fact that was kind of realistically [TS]

00:30:45   animated and like you can imagine what [TS]

00:30:48   the way you describe this movie was [TS]

00:30:49   probably inaccurate because i haven't [TS]

00:30:51   seen enough brian de palma movies but [TS]

00:30:52   you say it's like a brian de palma movie [TS]

00:30:53   shot in anime because you could make a [TS]

00:30:56   live-action version of this movie like [TS]

00:30:58   the fantasy elements are our only [TS]

00:31:01   fantastical in terms of mental breakdown [TS]

00:31:03   type of things you know what I mean like [TS]

00:31:05   you could you could do it in live-action [TS]

00:31:07   it's it plays straight and fair and it's [TS]

00:31:10   are reasonably well structured thriller [TS]

00:31:13   if a little bit conventional but the [TS]

00:31:14   details of it would really make it [TS]

00:31:16   oh my gosh to the i would love to see a [TS]

00:31:19   live-action effect of the imaginary [TS]

00:31:22   meetin ya leaping from leaping from [TS]

00:31:25   street light red light red light because [TS]

00:31:27   that is that isn't hungry Reeves it's [TS]

00:31:30   wonderful i think it would make a good [TS]

00:31:32   live action movie [TS]

00:31:33   definitely yeah oh yeah well it was [TS]

00:31:34   supposed to be before the funding fell [TS]

00:31:35   through was not the story there right [TS]

00:31:37   that's according to wikipedia and [TS]

00:31:39   wikipedia is never wrong never so can we [TS]

00:31:45   talk about the the performer which is [TS]

00:31:49   set up in the movie by the it by the [TS]

00:31:51   stalker [TS]

00:31:52   believe it or not that's one another [TS]

00:31:54   reason that i recommend this movie [TS]

00:31:55   because the best anime is created by [TS]

00:31:57   obsessive people and the the perfect the [TS]

00:32:00   most perfect example this movie is that [TS]

00:32:02   incredibly obsessive depiction of [TS]

00:32:04   Macintosh performer 5300 can't tell but [TS]

00:32:06   what exactly did it set and the setup of [TS]

00:32:09   same in the box and the whole thing [TS]

00:32:11   enough imagine imagine me watching movie [TS]

00:32:13   not knowing anything about it but chosen [TS]

00:32:15   for me specifically by John siracusa and [TS]

00:32:18   a Macintosh perform appears I i had to [TS]

00:32:20   pause the movie on the airplane to laugh [TS]

00:32:23   and laugh and laugh until tears came [TS]

00:32:25   down my face it's did you see it like [TS]

00:32:27   every part of that was right like oh [TS]

00:32:30   yeah the startup screen [TS]

00:32:32   oh it was so nice to see that startup [TS]

00:32:34   screen again the hardware itself the [TS]

00:32:37   menu bar i think the sound was wrong [TS]

00:32:41   a bit but that was it was well they're [TS]

00:32:43   the people drawing it on control the [TS]

00:32:44   sound of the menu bar with little icons [TS]

00:32:46   in the finder folder labels the netscape [TS]

00:32:49   contemporary version escape splash [TS]

00:32:51   screen the UI and here's the thing that [TS]

00:32:53   drives me nuts about you know regular [TS]

00:32:55   live-action movies right [TS]

00:32:57   they have live action movies with the [TS]

00:32:59   actual real computer and like it'll be [TS]

00:33:01   like an actual real macintosh and they [TS]

00:33:03   still don't look as realistic as this [TS]

00:33:04   drawing Pacific crazy stuff in the [TS]

00:33:06   screen and the mouse is from like a ps2 [TS]

00:33:08   or something yeah but what are you doing [TS]

00:33:10   you have the real computer for these [TS]

00:33:12   guys just have a pen and paper and said [TS]

00:33:14   no we're gonna get this exactly right [TS]

00:33:16   every single part of that you know real [TS]

00:33:18   URL she looks on the papers and the [TS]

00:33:19   actual your relative something like [TS]

00:33:21   backslashes instead of slashes and some [TS]

00:33:23   crazy like its it you know it's not hard [TS]

00:33:25   to do but it's just so amazing to see it [TS]

00:33:28   and like same thing with the other [TS]

00:33:30   things you see the coffeemaker the [TS]

00:33:31   supermarket the stuff that we don't [TS]

00:33:33   recognize those pathetic because we [TS]

00:33:34   don't know what the real things are but [TS]

00:33:35   that obsessive attention to detail is [TS]

00:33:38   what makes great anime great and like [TS]

00:33:40   little things like that you know all up [TS]

00:33:42   to the big things i had i just love it i [TS]

00:33:44   mean i'll be i'll be honest of course i [TS]

00:33:46   was going to notice the mac but i did [TS]

00:33:47   also obsessively notice the all the [TS]

00:33:50   labels of the prices on the shelves in [TS]

00:33:53   the supermarket so it wasn't just those [TS]

00:33:55   it wasn't just the performer but the [TS]

00:33:56   performer you know it really funny [TS]

00:33:58   really funny detail but also what it [TS]

00:34:02   says the idea that she has to explain [TS]

00:34:04   what room he has to explain to me mama [TS]

00:34:06   how the internet works essentially and [TS]

00:34:09   and how it's a homepage [TS]

00:34:11   basically it's a website for this for [TS]

00:34:13   for her fans and and then she sees that [TS]

00:34:19   there are these posts that are allegedly [TS]

00:34:21   by her that no details of her life but [TS]

00:34:24   aren't her and that's how she begins to [TS]

00:34:26   wonder if she's going crazy because she [TS]

00:34:28   doesn't say these things and yet they're [TS]

00:34:30   accurate right there dude down two down [TS]

00:34:33   to detail which is super creepy until [TS]

00:34:35   they're not until they're not psychotic [TS]

00:34:37   break the life she wants she has one of [TS]

00:34:40   the saddest little lines is when she [TS]

00:34:42   reads the 333 cyclist oh I guess I went [TS]

00:34:45   too hard you go today and you can tell [TS]

00:34:46   she has no recollection of it she's kind [TS]

00:34:48   of sad that that all I guess I did this [TS]

00:34:51   and she's just so beaten down and [TS]

00:34:53   resigned to the fact that somebody else [TS]

00:34:54   is is is eavesdropping on her life and [TS]

00:34:58   and marketing it and it's it's a further [TS]

00:35:00   symptom of her madness where she didn't [TS]

00:35:02   do that at all I always read that as [TS]

00:35:04   like maybe she didn't do that matter now [TS]

00:35:05   she's always figured I always assume [TS]

00:35:07   that she didn't and the assistant went [TS]

00:35:10   to Harvard you can block the clothes so [TS]

00:35:11   that way when she did the killing she [TS]

00:35:12   could then drop it off and there would [TS]

00:35:13   be the plant there would be the seed of [TS]

00:35:15   doubt in mimo in Minas mind right so if [TS]

00:35:17   she ever got arrested for she can be [TS]

00:35:18   like well I guess I want to her juku and [TS]

00:35:21   she would keep it down her own veracity [TS]

00:35:23   right i mean that that woman was crazy [TS]

00:35:25   like a fox [TS]

00:35:26   yeah she was she was yeah that's another [TS]

00:35:29   thing you can do in anime like a hat of [TS]

00:35:32   post section here that about like since [TS]

00:35:34   this movie should be done it could be [TS]

00:35:35   done in live-action why what's the point [TS]

00:35:37   of doing animation like wouldn't [TS]

00:35:38   wouldn't it be better and live action [TS]

00:35:40   and and I actually love animation i [TS]

00:35:42   think there's things you can do an [TS]

00:35:43   animation that I like so much better [TS]

00:35:45   than live action one of them is in the [TS]

00:35:48   final scene where it's revealed the room [TS]

00:35:49   is the you know the crazy person when [TS]

00:35:53   when we see roomy as she sees herself [TS]

00:35:56   and looks like a blood red clothes [TS]

00:36:00   version of mima but sometimes we see [TS]

00:36:02   like her reflection or we see her as she [TS]

00:36:04   actually is it looks totally different [TS]

00:36:05   and I guess you can do that with two [TS]

00:36:07   different actors in the movie or [TS]

00:36:09   whatever but just think things like that [TS]

00:36:11   you know that the fantasy elements that [TS]

00:36:12   you can do when you draw things I it's [TS]

00:36:15   also much of a piece i got like computer [TS]

00:36:17   animations and I was gonna call you do [TS]

00:36:19   anything in computer animation like [TS]

00:36:20   there's no limits its you know you [TS]

00:36:22   whatever your imagination but even more [TS]

00:36:23   so than with computer animation with a [TS]

00:36:25   blank piece of paper you can really do [TS]

00:36:27   anything and there's no like there's no [TS]

00:36:29   black holes like we all you want to like [TS]

00:36:32   liquids or or you know skin or like [TS]

00:36:34   certain things that are really hard that [TS]

00:36:36   it's like well that's a whole big deal [TS]

00:36:37   and you have to you know sink a [TS]

00:36:38   disproportionate amount of time and [TS]

00:36:40   effort in this one thing because you [TS]

00:36:41   just get a guy with a pencil they can [TS]

00:36:43   literally draw anything to end to [TS]

00:36:44   restrain yourself and draw the world [TS]

00:36:46   around you exactly as you see it but to [TS]

00:36:48   only embellish it just the right moment [TS]

00:36:51   in just the right way to make creepy or [TS]

00:36:53   surreal or whatever is what i love about [TS]

00:36:55   this this style of animation sort of [TS]

00:36:57   more realistic style while still showing [TS]

00:37:00   the flare that you can't really have in [TS]

00:37:01   live-action absolutely concur [TS]

00:37:03   there was a movie out about Mary [TS]

00:37:04   monroe called Norma Jean in maryland [TS]

00:37:06   where on mira sorvino played the Marilyn [TS]

00:37:09   Monroe part and actually just played the [TS]

00:37:11   Norma Jean part and watching those two [TS]

00:37:13   have scenes together was Marilyn having [TS]

00:37:14   her [TS]

00:37:15   am I crazy moment because it was [TS]

00:37:18   horrible it was a horrible awkward movie [TS]

00:37:20   to watch and I felt bad for everyone [TS]

00:37:21   involved so we shouldn't we should move [TS]

00:37:25   on so before we do that in it we should [TS]

00:37:27   sum up sum up our experience here for [TS]

00:37:30   having everybody how did everybody feel [TS]

00:37:32   what's the final verdict of this in the [TS]

00:37:34   end i don't think i'd recommend it to [TS]

00:37:35   somebody who's not already on the nerdly [TS]

00:37:39   spectrum [TS]

00:37:40   yeah but but that's just me because a [TS]

00:37:43   lot of things I think we were talking [TS]

00:37:44   about are things that we kind of tweaked [TS]

00:37:45   to because of obsessive natures are [TS]

00:37:47   geeky nature's my husband's a big fan of [TS]

00:37:50   more and i still wouldn't recommend this [TS]

00:37:52   to him [TS]

00:37:53   I don't think well I think that the [TS]

00:37:54   things that we liked about it like John [TS]

00:37:56   said you've got a medium where you can [TS]

00:37:58   do these fantastical things and they're [TS]

00:38:00   perfectly aesthetically consistent [TS]

00:38:01   plausible I'm afraid of the movie i [TS]

00:38:03   think that might actually be a turnoff [TS]

00:38:04   to to some people but did you like it [TS]

00:38:08   that's what we want oh my god yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:10   I mean I liked it a lot better than the [TS]

00:38:11   first time I saw which I actually [TS]

00:38:13   considered something of victory to [TS]

00:38:17   anyone about you i also enjoyed it i had [TS]

00:38:19   also seen it 10 or 11 or 12 years ago [TS]

00:38:22   but the dot remember it very struggling [TS]

00:38:25   uh I mainly remember i remember that it [TS]

00:38:27   had a twist in it but I did not remember [TS]

00:38:29   what the twist was enough [TS]

00:38:30   you're an old person now it's new to you [TS]

00:38:32   yeah you know I also remembered that [TS]

00:38:34   also it had disturbing visuals after the [TS]

00:38:37   twist which may have been part of why i [TS]

00:38:38   did not good memory i know somebody [TS]

00:38:42   who's gonna get like impaled on like you [TS]

00:38:45   know a giant glass so spoiler that that [TS]

00:38:49   stuck with me [TS]

00:38:50   oh the turnout was nothing that the the [TS]

00:38:52   whatever screwdriver ice pick stabbing [TS]

00:38:55   westward chose not to retain that but [TS]

00:38:58   yeah that [TS]

00:38:59   that isn't so good either I don't know [TS]

00:39:01   there was something about the following [TS]

00:39:02   on the beta class even though I guess [TS]

00:39:04   she's not be able to disturb you know [TS]

00:39:05   that [TS]

00:39:06   yeah relatively speaking yeah i mean [TS]

00:39:09   physically at least she was intact but [TS]

00:39:12   yeah I enjoyed it i think it works well [TS]

00:39:14   as kind of a thriller [TS]

00:39:15   um I'm not sure if i would recommend it [TS]

00:39:17   to somebody kind of seeking out on ma [TS]

00:39:20   just because it's it is relatively [TS]

00:39:21   different from a lot of other on [TS]

00:39:23   everyone challenging it's much more tuna [TS]

00:39:25   and so I it kind of does work is that I [TS]

00:39:28   mean it is you know very kind of [TS]

00:39:30   grown-up adult movie as opposed to other [TS]

00:39:33   army made that may have adult themes to [TS]

00:39:34   it but also as can still have kind of be [TS]

00:39:36   kind of more aimed at like a teenager [TS]

00:39:38   kind of audience so yeah yeah I I [TS]

00:39:42   thought it was okay I I because i [TS]

00:39:44   watched in alphabetical order it was [TS]

00:39:46   difficult because this is not as good [TS]

00:39:48   movie is the other 1i think but anyway [TS]

00:39:50   woof jaxson we'll we'll get there have a [TS]

00:39:53   gets better as the agency [TS]

00:39:55   this is a young man's movie full vigor [TS]

00:39:57   yeah uh-huh yeah [TS]

00:39:59   hey everyone nobody loves of pop idols [TS]

00:40:02   more than me i have a website maybe [TS]

00:40:06   you've seen it [TS]

00:40:07   Evie but the you know like I said I I [TS]

00:40:11   weird weird stalker way he's drawn and [TS]

00:40:16   obviously the bad guy and then I kind of [TS]

00:40:18   picked up on the on the on the assistant [TS]

00:40:21   being involved early on and you know I [TS]

00:40:24   it was fine it was fun i enjoyed the I [TS]

00:40:29   enjoyed that reality fantasy blurring of [TS]

00:40:31   the of the show within the show that the [TS]

00:40:33   TV series and how they change the Ark of [TS]

00:40:35   the show when she become successful to [TS]

00:40:38   make it more about her as the sister [TS]

00:40:40   who's confused and doesn't know reality [TS]

00:40:42   from fantasy which is hilarious because [TS]

00:40:43   we're also seeing the reality and [TS]

00:40:46   fantasy of her own life so it's like [TS]

00:40:48   they've written her life into the plot [TS]

00:40:50   and that makes it extra confusing for [TS]

00:40:53   her you know there's a lot to like about [TS]

00:40:55   i i i i don't know I i guess i go along [TS]

00:40:58   with the with tony and lisa that I liked [TS]

00:41:01   it [TS]

00:41:01   I've got some I've got some issues with [TS]

00:41:05   it i suppose i really love the early [TS]

00:41:08   days of the web fans interacting with [TS]

00:41:11   the with the their famous people [TS]

00:41:13   might there might be issues there that [TS]

00:41:16   was that was prescient I mean really [TS]

00:41:18   this was 1997 so you always this retro [TS]

00:41:20   know that was contemporary that was how [TS]

00:41:22   I was gonna pretty much out and the [TS]

00:41:23   beautiful thing about that is that she [TS]

00:41:25   actually explains it correctly you can [TS]

00:41:27   you put the you around the location bar [TS]

00:41:28   those are real words [TS]

00:41:30   yeah yeah no she she may be a crazy [TS]

00:41:33   stalker but she knows how to use format [TS]

00:41:34   yeah that's how she becomes the crazy [TS]

00:41:37   starter [TS]

00:41:38   yes she's she's very practiced [TS]

00:41:40   maintaining that site [TS]

00:41:42   yeah so she's got it all figured out [TS]

00:41:44   there's appears what you do Jason wait [TS]

00:41:46   10 years [TS]

00:41:47   watch the movie and then apparently [TS]

00:41:49   improves and I think it actually does [TS]

00:41:52   benefit from like reside watching you [TS]

00:41:54   know what it was originally released in [TS]

00:41:55   97 and really liked it and it's not a [TS]

00:41:57   few more times and then coming back to [TS]

00:41:59   her like well this is going to be played [TS]

00:42:00   out like you know seen this movie before [TS]

00:42:02   it's kind of a one-trick pony I've seen [TS]

00:42:04   it it's not gonna it's not going to be [TS]

00:42:05   affecting i'm not going to be caught up [TS]

00:42:06   with me just gonna kind of be but it got [TS]

00:42:09   me again and I was able to notice more [TS]

00:42:11   nuances this is not a movie that's [TS]

00:42:12   really about the story it's not about [TS]

00:42:14   the twist it's more it's more about the [TS]

00:42:16   emotion and if I don't maybe I'm reading [TS]

00:42:19   more into it than is there which is [TS]

00:42:20   typical thing with anime especially when [TS]

00:42:22   it's it's dumped because i can imagine [TS]

00:42:23   that the performances that I don't [TS]

00:42:25   understand are incredibly moving and [TS]

00:42:27   heartfelt and been really maybe just [TS]

00:42:29   someone reading lines I can't tell but [TS]

00:42:32   it got me again it wrapped me up in it [TS]

00:42:34   but I i agree that the millennium [TS]

00:42:35   actress is a better movie tom [TS]

00:42:39   that's all i have to say about that well [TS]

00:42:41   let's move on to millennium actress 2001 [TS]

00:42:44   opening this direction the surprise [TS]

00:42:47   yes this is this is something almost out [TS]

00:42:49   of space 1999 where if there's a moon [TS]

00:42:52   base with a a a little sort of shall we [TS]

00:42:58   say flower petal style that's important [TS]

00:43:02   it's pastor J that's important [TS]

00:43:04   a little opening and should the woman it [TS]

00:43:08   has to go and and leave and no but you [TS]

00:43:12   can't go out there and she leaves him in [TS]

00:43:13   a rocket and you're thinking again what [TS]

00:43:16   is this that i'm watching and it turns [TS]

00:43:17   out that it is we cut to a guy watching [TS]

00:43:21   it on TV and he says this is always my [TS]

00:43:23   favorite part and turns out that he and [TS]

00:43:26   a cameraman [TS]

00:43:27   are going to interview this famous [TS]

00:43:29   actress who were mostly in the what [TS]

00:43:32   forties and fifties now up through from [TS]

00:43:36   the 47th sixties 36 panwar to ya-ya [TS]

00:43:40   Spanish start she starts during World [TS]

00:43:41   War Two and she stops pretty much when [TS]

00:43:43   she's in her forties so up to almost the [TS]

00:43:46   seventies i think is that that kind of [TS]

00:43:48   space movie wouldn't have been made any [TS]

00:43:50   ground before nineteen seventy yeah well [TS]

00:43:52   like I said it looks in 3-space 1999 I'm [TS]

00:43:55   oh yeah and and they are going to get a [TS]

00:43:57   rare interview with her so it'sit's him [TS]

00:44:00   and the cameraman and and they go to her [TS]

00:44:04   her house and and she comes out and says [TS]

00:44:08   I think you have something you said you [TS]

00:44:10   had something for me and he gives her a [TS]

00:44:11   key and she's taken aback by this and [TS]

00:44:14   quite shocked it's the Rosebud number of [TS]

00:44:16   yeah basically he's so he isn't she [TS]

00:44:19   talked about her garden how she loves [TS]

00:44:20   the flowers and his production company [TS]

00:44:22   we learn is also called lotus is that [TS]

00:44:24   right yeah which is the flower that she [TS]

00:44:27   grows and she's so that's funny I grows [TS]

00:44:28   flowers mrs. I know but it's not great [TS]

00:44:31   restart not into creepy stalker creepy [TS]

00:44:33   in a fanboy yeah he's a total he's a [TS]

00:44:36   huge fan of hers who is who is now [TS]

00:44:37   interviewing her for a documentary about [TS]

00:44:40   her life basically and she begins to [TS]

00:44:43   tell her story of this this famous [TS]

00:44:46   actress and it's told in flashback and [TS]

00:44:51   so for a while you're thinking okay i [TS]

00:44:54   get i get with this is going up see [TS]

00:44:55   movies like this and then a funny thing [TS]

00:44:57   happens which is the interviewer and [TS]

00:45:00   cameraman are in the flashback as if [TS]

00:45:02   they're recording the flashback for the [TS]

00:45:04   documentary and thus begins millennium [TS]

00:45:07   actress where reality and fantasy you [TS]

00:45:10   may have you may have just heard us [TS]

00:45:11   talking about this for another movie are [TS]

00:45:13   blurred and and and uh it's fascinating [TS]

00:45:17   because they're interacting in her [TS]

00:45:20   flashback while also obviously cut to [TS]

00:45:24   she's telling them the story and its [TS]

00:45:26   kind of delightful in the way that it's [TS]

00:45:28   not your usual you know flashback with [TS]

00:45:31   you know ripple dissolve to [TS]

00:45:33   black-and-white of here's what happened [TS]

00:45:35   instead they're like commenting on and [TS]

00:45:37   and kind of like chasing the characters [TS]

00:45:39   around through [TS]

00:45:40   flashbacks and then it gets it gets even [TS]

00:45:43   weirder as it as it goes to the point [TS]

00:45:47   where you get really confused about how [TS]

00:45:48   it could possibly be be happening and [TS]

00:45:51   it's it's a yeah it's fascinating it had [TS]

00:45:54   a guy i really like this i thought i [TS]

00:45:57   thought that it was great and i love the [TS]

00:46:00   blurring of reality and fantasy and it's [TS]

00:46:01   a weird afterward my wife said so how [TS]

00:46:03   was that my said it's a weird movie and [TS]

00:46:06   she said it looked weird and I said yeah [TS]

00:46:08   but it's really good it's really good [TS]

00:46:09   really good [TS]

00:46:10   I was really moved by it yeah oh yeah [TS]

00:46:13   especially and what I love about the [TS]

00:46:14   movie is how you said it opens up with [TS]

00:46:16   with the misdirect but I i will say that [TS]

00:46:20   it provides a beautiful bracketing but [TS]

00:46:22   towards the end of the movie where he [TS]

00:46:25   stands up its well that's bookings and [TS]

00:46:28   she sums up he sums up what you come to [TS]

00:46:30   realize about her and about the whole [TS]

00:46:32   narrative and then she seems off into [TS]

00:46:34   space and I thought what a beautiful [TS]

00:46:37   metaphor for the end of the 20th century [TS]

00:46:39   because this movie I feel like it's sort [TS]

00:46:41   of a love letter to the people of Japan [TS]

00:46:43   for everything they had to live through [TS]

00:46:44   the 20th century and the things that [TS]

00:46:46   they may have relied on to keep them [TS]

00:46:48   going and when the journey becomes much [TS]

00:46:51   more interesting than the destination [TS]

00:46:52   and and you become much more optimistic [TS]

00:46:54   about the future simply because you have [TS]

00:46:56   a way to get there so I i was just [TS]

00:46:58   incredibly moved by this movie [TS]

00:47:00   yeah they're one of the reasons I i [TS]

00:47:02   picked this as such a nice connection [TS]

00:47:04   with perfect blue is all these things [TS]

00:47:07   that we said the same that the female [TS]

00:47:08   lead the mixing of reality and and you [TS]

00:47:11   know film or fantasy or fiction and [TS]

00:47:14   stuff like that seems to be just like [TS]

00:47:16   all this is to know the two sides of the [TS]

00:47:18   same coin but they're so incredibly [TS]

00:47:19   different in tone like this is so much [TS]

00:47:21   more playful and has an entirely [TS]

00:47:23   different emotions field despite doing [TS]

00:47:25   so many of the same things the other [TS]

00:47:27   thing doesn't mixing together at her her [TS]

00:47:31   work as an actress with her life [TS]

00:47:33   yes so in in perfect blue she's reading [TS]

00:47:36   lines at in the story that could very [TS]

00:47:39   well be talking about either what her [TS]

00:47:41   actual life is or what we think maybe is [TS]

00:47:44   you know that the video we can tell [TS]

00:47:47   issue talking about real life for her [TS]

00:47:48   fantasy life or maybe your family life [TS]

00:47:50   is her real life and it seems so [TS]

00:47:51   on-the-nose right and in here in this [TS]

00:47:53   movie [TS]

00:47:54   did you do the same thing where she's in [TS]

00:47:56   these movies she's playing you know a [TS]

00:47:58   geisha girl she's playing a warrior [TS]

00:48:00   princess she's doing whatever she's [TS]

00:48:01   playing and the lines that she'd read [TS]

00:48:03   you know because you've been listening [TS]

00:48:05   to her retail her life are just entirely [TS]

00:48:07   directly about her life and you're like [TS]

00:48:09   oh that's how could the lines of the [TS]

00:48:10   movies be directly about her life and I [TS]

00:48:12   think that is a wonderful way to show [TS]

00:48:13   what it feels like to be an actor [TS]

00:48:16   because you know your actors always [TS]

00:48:18   drawing on emotions in their own life or [TS]

00:48:19   whatever and yeah they got their not [TS]

00:48:21   saying lines that are that are like you [TS]

00:48:23   know when my father left me when I was a [TS]

00:48:25   child like if my lines in the movie they [TS]

00:48:26   don't say but that's what it feels like [TS]

00:48:28   to them so when we see her speaking [TS]

00:48:29   these lines like everything is subtext [TS]

00:48:31   this movie because the text is not the [TS]

00:48:32   text about the text right and sometimes [TS]

00:48:35   it seems like almost kind of corny were [TS]

00:48:37   like out there wouldn't be a line in the [TS]

00:48:38   mood so directly addresses the thing [TS]

00:48:40   that she's going through her life right [TS]

00:48:41   now but that's what it feels like if [TS]

00:48:43   you're channeling those emotions into a [TS]

00:48:44   nagging performance and of course we're [TS]

00:48:46   only shown selected lines from it in and [TS]

00:48:48   then like they just they just keep [TS]

00:48:50   turning the crank to say okay are you [TS]

00:48:51   still with us but we'll turn even [TS]

00:48:53   farther you still with us now what about [TS]

00:48:54   this what about this and you know he's [TS]

00:48:56   saving her in the movies and at some [TS]

00:48:58   point it's like danger and moving you're [TS]

00:48:59   worried about how are you like when it's [TS]

00:49:00   like this is the movie isnot she's not [TS]

00:49:01   actually in danger and and like her you [TS]

00:49:04   know the painter guys chasing after it [TS]

00:49:06   like inside the movie but not really and [TS]

00:49:08   you know is she telling a story about [TS]

00:49:09   her own light real life in a train [TS]

00:49:11   accident or is this a train accident in [TS]

00:49:13   a movie right and when they get out of [TS]

00:49:14   the train because they're surrounded [TS]

00:49:16   their then in feudal Japan right so [TS]

00:49:19   there's that element to of like well [TS]

00:49:20   what is did she really did she go [TS]

00:49:22   through a portal and step backward in [TS]

00:49:23   time did the movie is it a science [TS]

00:49:25   fiction movie that she's making or is [TS]

00:49:27   this just another movie that happened a [TS]

00:49:29   little bit later [TS]

00:49:30   what's the but but the whole point of [TS]

00:49:31   this movie is about the flexibility of [TS]

00:49:33   memory and how sometimes memory makes [TS]

00:49:35   things feel more real to you than what [TS]

00:49:37   actually happened at the time and so [TS]

00:49:39   over time your story of what happened [TS]

00:49:42   and the story of your feelings becomes [TS]

00:49:45   the truth it's also about how film is [TS]

00:49:47   our film is our memory in some ways and [TS]

00:49:50   film represents reality it and and then [TS]

00:49:53   the next step beyond that it's also [TS]

00:49:55   about like you said the history 20th [TS]

00:49:57   century Japan and the way the movies the [TS]

00:49:59   movies that she makes reflect that right [TS]

00:50:02   right to the point where when she starts [TS]

00:50:04   it's a you know they're shooting a movie [TS]

00:50:06   in China [TS]

00:50:07   there's a nationalistic you know cheap [TS]

00:50:10   Japanese campaign to you in China and [TS]

00:50:14   they've taken over portions of China [TS]

00:50:16   pre-world War two is when they referred [TS]

00:50:18   as Manchuria that brought me up for a [TS]

00:50:20   moment yeah like God that's right and [TS]

00:50:22   then yeah and then you start thinking [TS]

00:50:24   about the rape of nanking and how for [TS]

00:50:26   ordinary Japanese citizens they know [TS]

00:50:28   nothing about this and and their [TS]

00:50:30   perspective will be completely different [TS]

00:50:32   which is all we have to make booster [TS]

00:50:33   films and we have to support the troops [TS]

00:50:35   and right and the Chinese were [TS]

00:50:37   desperately fighting to keep these [TS]

00:50:39   people out our are seen as these savages [TS]

00:50:41   as opposed to although she's chasing a [TS]

00:50:44   hippie painter who is anti-war yeah [TS]

00:50:46   to be fair or what passes for a hippie [TS]

00:50:49   in nineteen thirties Japan revolutionary [TS]

00:50:52   this is one of the hit the other comp [TS]

00:50:55   you a very common thing anime and how [TS]

00:50:57   could it not be an end its represented [TS]

00:50:59   better in this movie than perfect blue [TS]

00:51:01   out so this movie has a building shaking [TS]

00:51:03   events that punctuate the movie its [TS]

00:51:05   specific moments [TS]

00:51:07   Matt both man-made and earthquakes and [TS]

00:51:09   Japan's fault lines you know and [TS]

00:51:11   everything but then you've got the world [TS]

00:51:12   war two firebombing and all that other [TS]

00:51:13   stuff right and how its how can any art [TS]

00:51:18   made by Japan post-war to not be about [TS]

00:51:22   like at the very very bottom like not [TS]

00:51:24   have liked the war atomic bombs like [TS]

00:51:27   that is such an incredible theme [TS]

00:51:28   throughout all of anime and it's like [TS]

00:51:30   it's kind of you know cliche like oh oh [TS]

00:51:32   you know Japanese every one of the [TS]

00:51:33   movies about a nuclear bomb so they did [TS]

00:51:35   have the two of the city's growing up I [TS]

00:51:37   was like like yeah it's like saying you [TS]

00:51:40   don't respect it's like saying all [TS]

00:51:42   Western literature is like so much stuff [TS]

00:51:44   based on the bible it's so try to like [TS]

00:51:45   that all you know this [TS]

00:51:47   there's a reason for that like it's it's [TS]

00:51:49   it's such a theme in the movies and this [TS]

00:51:51   is this is one that uses those themes [TS]

00:51:53   with with the earthquakes and and you [TS]

00:51:55   know all the war 15 to 20 years from now [TS]

00:51:57   someone's gonna go back and go a lot of [TS]

00:51:59   American pop culture was really [TS]

00:52:00   obsessing over terrorism and secret [TS]

00:52:03   betrayals and buildings falling down and [TS]

00:52:05   and well can't they get over that [TS]

00:52:07   come on you're the only nation on the [TS]

00:52:09   planet to get nuked yeah at and I feel [TS]

00:52:12   like this is this movie is about it in [TS]

00:52:14   in a in a beautiful and subtle way like [TS]

00:52:16   making life because it's about her [TS]

00:52:18   personal like these these earthquakes [TS]

00:52:19   and events have to do with like that [TS]

00:52:21   11 happens at the end of the movie the [TS]

00:52:23   dance ends up sending into the hospital [TS]

00:52:24   is the one that that in the beginning [TS]

00:52:26   with it interrupts the the buses name [TS]

00:52:28   jenya from from watching the movie at [TS]

00:52:31   this is a young version of him saving [TS]

00:52:34   her in the earthquake that sort of ends [TS]

00:52:36   her career when she loses the key right [TS]

00:52:37   and fought the light great lighting [TS]

00:52:39   break falls on her is the actual total [TS]

00:52:41   destruction of the studio by [TS]

00:52:43   construction equipment destruction of [TS]

00:52:45   the studio by firebombing by you know us [TS]

00:52:47   bombers that theme but just you know [TS]

00:52:51   repeated in this movie several different [TS]

00:52:53   times kind of look like I feel like this [TS]

00:52:55   movie gets away with so much that would [TS]

00:52:57   be corny or ham-fisted because it's just [TS]

00:53:01   so good-natured and fun and I like we're [TS]

00:53:04   just going to feel these emotions [TS]

00:53:05   together and we're not gonna take [TS]

00:53:07   anything too seriously but there is real [TS]

00:53:08   deep emotion like it's not it's not [TS]

00:53:10   wacky and silly it strikes the right [TS]

00:53:13   balance and that's why I feel like it [TS]

00:53:14   it carries you with it to get that big [TS]

00:53:16   payoff at the end when she you know goes [TS]

00:53:18   off into into a hyperspace [TS]

00:53:20   tony is still out there i'm still here [TS]

00:53:22   what do you think [TS]

00:53:23   um I guess I i did not like this movie [TS]

00:53:26   is jaha uh haha i I've only seen it once [TS]

00:53:31   and that was today so maybe it will be [TS]

00:53:34   different when I revisit it [TS]

00:53:36   I mean I think I picked up on a lot of [TS]

00:53:38   it but perhaps some of it you know i was [TS]

00:53:41   missed by and I think I particular i did [TS]

00:53:44   not like kind of the insertion of the [TS]

00:53:47   filmmakers or said and you know his [TS]

00:53:49   cameraman kind of into this i don't know [TS]

00:53:51   that that didn't work for me um like [TS]

00:53:53   that they they did that and I was like [TS]

00:53:55   is are they gonna keep doing this [TS]

00:53:56   because i don't i don't want that mean [TS]

00:53:58   well that's going to turn you off from [TS]

00:53:59   the movie yeah and they kinda and I was [TS]

00:54:01   like you know and they like I kind of [TS]

00:54:03   liked work the when they went to the [TS]

00:54:04   scene that was kind of from his [TS]

00:54:06   perspective right and and he was talking [TS]

00:54:08   to you know where we saw him his mini [TS]

00:54:10   career with the studio but there i think [TS]

00:54:13   it was especially kind of the secondary [TS]

00:54:15   character of the of the cameraman who [TS]

00:54:17   was really kind of just their kind of [TS]

00:54:19   for comedic purposes kind of slapstick e [TS]

00:54:21   comedic purposes that really kind of [TS]

00:54:23   that broke that for me I didn't love the [TS]

00:54:25   cameraman he's definitely a tie-pin [TS]

00:54:27   animate the the disinterested assistant [TS]

00:54:31   you know salary men [TS]

00:54:33   you know too-cool-for-school kind of [TS]

00:54:35   thing but like they bring him around at [TS]

00:54:36   the end too because he is a man anime [TS]

00:54:37   character which you may not know if you [TS]

00:54:39   don't watch a lot of anime but then by [TS]

00:54:40   the end of the movie he's actually [TS]

00:54:41   interested in hurst as they're driving [TS]

00:54:42   to the hospital he's he has come around [TS]

00:54:44   fight like you see a finally a crack in [TS]

00:54:47   that cynical kind of have to be here [TS]

00:54:49   doing this no you know I mean and you [TS]

00:54:51   know it's they're both they're both [TS]

00:54:52   characters like the guys so enthusiastic [TS]

00:54:54   and he loves you know his favorite [TS]

00:54:57   actress and like but you mean youyou the [TS]

00:54:59   bind to that are you doing business this [TS]

00:55:01   is that this is that kind of movie is [TS]

00:55:02   the kind of movie admit it you know is [TS]

00:55:04   going to be over-the-top and it's going [TS]

00:55:06   to do corny things and it's gonna do [TS]

00:55:08   ham-fisted things and you that you [TS]

00:55:10   either you either buy it or you don't [TS]

00:55:12   and I've got this with the movie i [TS]

00:55:14   actually have recommended to a lot of [TS]

00:55:15   people who say they're not into anime [TS]

00:55:16   and some people are just completely [TS]

00:55:18   bounces often it's just too weird for [TS]

00:55:19   other people it can if it catches you [TS]

00:55:21   you're doing because it knows exactly [TS]

00:55:23   where it's going to take you and it [TS]

00:55:24   brings you straight through and pops you [TS]

00:55:26   out the other side and I'm all the anime [TS]

00:55:29   movies i have this is the most likely 12 [TS]

00:55:31   cause people to be crying at the end of [TS]

00:55:32   it was just something something from you [TS]

00:55:34   know that anime tends not to have that [TS]

00:55:36   reputation but this movie of all the [TS]

00:55:38   ones of my collection can actually do it [TS]

00:55:40   but if specifically if you don't let it [TS]

00:55:42   never doesn't it doesn't grab you that's [TS]

00:55:43   not gonna happen i'm just gonna be this [TS]

00:55:45   weird movie where nothing happens [TS]

00:55:46   I mean I i found it touching but i think [TS]

00:55:48   yeah I don't think I was grabbed and I [TS]

00:55:51   guess I thought perfect blue was a prep [TS]

00:55:53   better but I guess I'm well that's [TS]

00:55:56   certainly more to grab you in perfectly [TS]

00:55:57   like if it's more it is definitely like [TS]

00:55:59   it nothing happens the millennium [TS]

00:56:01   actress something happens when people [TS]

00:56:03   like very little trip you know it's the [TS]

00:56:05   story of and i think i think i caught [TS]

00:56:07   onto pretty early on you know that [TS]

00:56:09   wasn't good at you know there wasn't [TS]

00:56:10   gonna be like a twister or you know [TS]

00:56:13   there wasn't so much gonna be like a [TS]

00:56:14   point of tension that was gonna go [TS]

00:56:16   murder my lit yeah there was no murder [TS]

00:56:18   you know I I kind of figured the other [TS]

00:56:20   the hippie you know in that you know a [TS]

00:56:23   few million in Japan but you know she's [TS]

00:56:25   being interviewed her old age probably [TS]

00:56:26   like you know the revolutionaries not [TS]

00:56:28   hang out in her backyard was gonna walk [TS]

00:56:30   have you met my gardener but that's the [TS]

00:56:33   thing if this movie catches you like you [TS]

00:56:34   people will find themselves like like [TS]

00:56:38   you know she's not going to see that guy [TS]

00:56:40   again but you occasionally like find [TS]

00:56:43   yourself hoping you know like that [TS]

00:56:45   that it could happen but like it'll suck [TS]

00:56:48   it'll suck you into it like the [TS]

00:56:49   documentary filmmakers is you know his [TS]

00:56:51   long-lost son or something right or just [TS]

00:56:54   like the story of they finally met and [TS]

00:56:55   they want to i know she never saw again [TS]

00:56:57   he was killed was actually died [TS]

00:56:59   no it'sit's a better story than all of [TS]

00:57:01   that they were just parts of it that [TS]

00:57:03   didn't grab me and you know already [TS]

00:57:04   watching l.o.l won't wait as long as it [TS]

00:57:06   I've waited to rewatch perfect blue but [TS]

00:57:09   maybe it'll be different you have to be [TS]

00:57:12   in the mood for both of these movies and [TS]

00:57:13   definitely this one you have to be kind [TS]

00:57:15   of it you know they were assigned [TS]

00:57:16   reading that was the bad you have to be [TS]

00:57:18   in a chill mood for ideas but my teacher [TS]

00:57:21   told me to do I tell you watching [TS]

00:57:22   watching my pad while you're flying to [TS]

00:57:24   your vacation because really the primary [TS]

00:57:27   way to do it yeah i did did not take the [TS]

00:57:30   recommended dosage yeah so so the [TS]

00:57:32   animation stylist move against very [TS]

00:57:34   similar to a perfect blue kind of a [TS]

00:57:35   realistic style but if you look closer [TS]

00:57:37   not really realistic but i thought like [TS]

00:57:38   the yeah if they have you know that one [TS]

00:57:41   of the oscars for like you know costume [TS]

00:57:42   design and seven declaration and stuff [TS]

00:57:44   like the period the capability to [TS]

00:57:46   capture these different periods just [TS]

00:57:48   like even just like me the way what's [TS]

00:57:51   her name [TS]

00:57:51   heo co is drawn from like as a child to [TS]

00:57:54   to sort of a young ingĂ©nue two more [TS]

00:57:57   seasoned actress a trendy hairstyles are [TS]

00:57:58   closed how she carries herself for [TS]

00:58:00   demeanor the surrounding so everything [TS]

00:58:02   about it is just beautiful that I [TS]

00:58:04   thought that was it that was kind of an [TS]

00:58:05   element that work particularly well as [TS]

00:58:08   an animation right i mean if they hadn't [TS]

00:58:09   as a live-action you have three days the [TS]

00:58:11   actors and all that and instead they're [TS]

00:58:13   able to age her [TS]

00:58:14   yeah he even with makeup and things like [TS]

00:58:16   that it wouldn't kind of have felt the [TS]

00:58:18   same way especially when they were doing [TS]

00:58:19   all the things with a kind of quick [TS]

00:58:21   cutting back and forth between the [TS]

00:58:22   different eras toward the end and that [TS]

00:58:24   that really wouldn't have worked as I [TS]

00:58:26   can take you out of it and and yeah it [TS]

00:58:28   was distracting in great movies like you [TS]

00:58:31   know if you can you can pause a great [TS]

00:58:32   movie and like what you see up on the [TS]

00:58:34   screen that could be a work of art well [TS]

00:58:35   you know the animation is literally that [TS]

00:58:37   like you know in the best case it's 24 [TS]

00:58:38   beautiful your own pictures every second [TS]

00:58:40   and I i did this is one of the reasons [TS]

00:58:44   that I don't know what we should talk [TS]

00:58:46   about why don't like comic books on [TS]

00:58:47   different podcasts maybe some other time [TS]

00:58:48   know about Admiral Amanda you know like [TS]

00:58:51   there are the motion and fluidity of [TS]

00:58:54   these drawings like it's step above [TS]

00:58:55   having that there's one drawing but a [TS]

00:58:57   series of the night and I feel like each [TS]

00:58:58   one of [TS]

00:58:59   any frame from this movie you know it's [TS]

00:59:01   just so beautifully realised not because [TS]

00:59:03   it's very complicated they're simple [TS]

00:59:05   background there you know that is a [TS]

00:59:06   painting is themselves over like if you [TS]

00:59:08   know the tricks like it's not it's not [TS]

00:59:10   you know it's not like studio ghibli [TS]

00:59:12   where you realize these poor suckers [TS]

00:59:13   some guy spent like a year doing that [TS]

00:59:15   background screen for three seconds and [TS]

00:59:17   that you know these are made more [TS]

00:59:20   cheaply than those those big budget [TS]

00:59:22   movies but there's still enough artistry [TS]

00:59:24   in the way they draw these characters in [TS]

00:59:26   the surroundings and how they move and [TS]

00:59:28   and everything that you know I I just [TS]

00:59:31   appreciate that I appreciate that more [TS]

00:59:32   than I would a great live-action movies [TS]

00:59:35   much love light actually sometimes like [TS]

00:59:37   when watching animated movie that that's [TS]

00:59:39   like the pinnacle of moving pictures is [TS]

00:59:41   when someone draws every single one of [TS]

00:59:42   them [TS]

00:59:43   this was yeah I so I i really did I [TS]

00:59:46   really did like it [TS]

00:59:47   millennium actress and and was surprised [TS]

00:59:51   and I did get fished in by the opening [TS]

00:59:53   where i'm watching the weird sci-fi [TS]

00:59:55   moonbase move he that turns out to be [TS]

00:59:59   her last [TS]

00:59:59   her last [TS]

01:00:00   her last film and i love the echoes of a [TS]

01:00:03   real-life actors and actresses i know [TS]

01:00:04   this is apparently based on a on a on a [TS]

01:00:08   Japanese actress but that either echoes [TS]

01:00:10   of this and a lot of actors of this [TS]

01:00:12   generation where their lifespan sort of [TS]

01:00:15   like early days of film and then you [TS]

01:00:18   know inevitably they're the sort of [TS]

01:00:19   embarrassing period pieces at the end of [TS]

01:00:22   their career and-and the moonbase movie [TS]

01:00:25   is obviously hers and yet in the end it [TS]

01:00:28   becomes this really touching moment [TS]

01:00:29   because it's representing her the end of [TS]

01:00:31   the end of her life and so yeah I [TS]

01:00:34   thought it was great [TS]

01:00:36   I I don't have much to say about it i [TS]

01:00:38   guess the other one just because I i [TS]

01:00:40   really liked it and I liked how the PM [TS]

01:00:43   it kept me off balance with the reality [TS]

01:00:45   versus fantasy all kind of rolling [TS]

01:00:48   together and in the end it was all about [TS]

01:00:50   her life and and a weather was in her [TS]

01:00:53   life or in her films it was all about [TS]

01:00:55   her life and the reason you have to [TS]

01:00:57   watch is in this order is because you [TS]

01:00:59   want to end with the feeling that you [TS]

01:01:00   have at the end of letting actress even [TS]

01:01:02   though perfect blue has more or less a [TS]

01:01:03   happy ending [TS]

01:01:04   you don't want that to be like you know [TS]

01:01:07   the final the final taste in your mouth [TS]

01:01:09   is this is like I don't want that to be [TS]

01:01:11   the last thing i want for anything [TS]

01:01:12   it was perfect John because i watch [TS]

01:01:14   millennium actress and I had that [TS]

01:01:15   feeling and then I stepped off the plane [TS]

01:01:16   and I was in hawaii for eight days and [TS]

01:01:19   you're my favorite blue in your back [TS]

01:01:20   door and I stepped I stepped off the [TS]

01:01:21   plane and it was 20 degrees colder and [TS]

01:01:23   in California in February so maybe it [TS]

01:01:26   works for me what it [TS]

01:01:28   yeah at least at least you got my name [TS]

01:01:31   access to send you off into a y ya know [TS]

01:01:33   those great any other final thoughts [TS]

01:01:35   about about millennium actress before we [TS]

01:01:38   wrap up that's actually the 1i would [TS]

01:01:40   show to my husband [TS]

01:01:41   oh yeah he like it yeah i think you [TS]

01:01:43   would like a person he would I think [TS]

01:01:45   this is the one you showed people who [TS]

01:01:46   don't get autumn a if you're just tuning [TS]

01:01:48   in this be you're listening to the what [TS]

01:01:50   will we show Phil podcast haha it's the [TS]

01:01:54   sequel to lex hasn't seen it yet this [TS]

01:01:58   this I i think i think it would like it [TS]

01:02:00   because a there's the whole you know [TS]

01:02:02   period film history of the 20th century [TS]

01:02:05   seen through the lives of somebody you [TS]

01:02:07   know the people who lived through it and [TS]

01:02:09   you know there's a lot of interesting [TS]

01:02:10   stuff here that that's about it it's not [TS]

01:02:12   just a character [TS]

01:02:13   study and it's not just about Japan and [TS]

01:02:15   it's not just about the 20th century and [TS]

01:02:18   and but it's about all those things and [TS]

01:02:20   it's it's like I like the ambition of [TS]

01:02:22   that too that this is a the animated [TS]

01:02:25   feature that is you know about a lot of [TS]

01:02:29   things that maybe you're told better as [TS]

01:02:31   animation but are not things we [TS]

01:02:32   traditionally expect from animation at [TS]

01:02:34   and the thing is i think this means this [TS]

01:02:36   story would never get greenlit in [TS]

01:02:38   Hollywood because added to route it's [TS]

01:02:39   about a young girl who forms at a an [TS]

01:02:42   early attachment to this man that she's [TS]

01:02:44   never gonna see again pines over her her [TS]

01:02:46   whole life and it turns out he's [TS]

01:02:48   actually dead and like like Ben there's [TS]

01:02:49   nothing like this snoring cells is so [TS]

01:02:52   just like nothing happens it's silly if [TS]

01:02:55   you look at it objectively like she's on [TS]

01:02:56   point with it why she whining about this [TS]

01:02:58   is not unrealistic an adult would get [TS]

01:03:00   overlooked but that's not like animated [TS]

01:03:03   once it a lot of a japanese animation [TS]

01:03:05   wants to get at the heart of like the [TS]

01:03:07   emotional truth not so much the [TS]

01:03:08   intellectual truth and if you watch the [TS]

01:03:10   movie and look at how she gets married [TS]

01:03:12   to that kind of you know lame studio [TS]

01:03:14   head sungai she falls into that marriage [TS]

01:03:17   and kind of goes into the normal life [TS]

01:03:19   it's it's it's putting the inner the [TS]

01:03:22   inner emotional life of that a lot of [TS]

01:03:24   people have is on the outside and then [TS]

01:03:26   the normal life that people have on the [TS]

01:03:28   outside of the inside in this movie you [TS]

01:03:30   know I mean so from her perspective [TS]

01:03:31   she's always that little girl chasing [TS]

01:03:33   after that guy but on the outside choose [TS]

01:03:34   an act famous actor she's married to [TS]

01:03:36   this guy that have a normal life she [TS]

01:03:38   find out he was hiding the key on her so [TS]

01:03:40   it's kind of like a betrayal or whatever [TS]

01:03:41   but i don't think anyone would make this [TS]

01:03:44   storyline over later to talk about the [TS]

01:03:45   historical things like that that would [TS]

01:03:47   just be too you know [TS]

01:03:48   two out in the ether like it's never [TS]

01:03:49   gonna sell you can never make this even [TS]

01:03:51   in the world of anime this movie isnot I [TS]

01:03:53   don't know how well-known is like it's [TS]

01:03:54   not easy to find they didn't even make [TS]

01:03:56   an English double this movie I don't [TS]

01:03:57   think like it's not even popular enough [TS]

01:03:59   they're even gonna bother to do that so [TS]

01:04:00   it is kind of like our house [TS]

01:04:03   roofie you know it's not it's not [TS]

01:04:07   mainstream but this is exactly the kind [TS]

01:04:09   of movie that that I like for my anime [TS]

01:04:11   which is why when I i I'm i don't claim [TS]

01:04:14   that i am a you know anime fan because [TS]

01:04:17   most people's definition what that means [TS]

01:04:19   though what you like [TS]

01:04:20   popular series populations popular [TS]

01:04:22   series and like actually don't like any [TS]

01:04:23   of those and [TS]

01:04:24   yeah I like these weird movies but i [TS]

01:04:27   really like the great movies I like I'm [TS]

01:04:29   a pretty narrow sub-genre automatic like [TS]

01:04:31   in most of it is is with this be out of [TS]

01:04:33   place in a william gibson universe and [TS]

01:04:36   huh well serial experiments lain is [TS]

01:04:39   about virtual reality not identity and [TS]

01:04:42   then you've got some ghost in the shell [TS]

01:04:44   words the same thing it's the it's the [TS]

01:04:46   thin line between cyborg and human and [TS]

01:04:49   it all goes back to this very nineteen [TS]

01:04:51   eighties nineteen nineties one of the [TS]

01:04:54   best whether the boundaries of humanity [TS]

01:04:55   thing but other than that I'm i want to [TS]

01:04:58   thank you John for broadening my [TS]

01:04:59   horizons with millennium actress because [TS]

01:05:00   i'd i would have discovered it on my own [TS]

01:05:01   and I really liked it and do to you for [TS]

01:05:05   free Jason now having seen two movies by [TS]

01:05:07   this one guy yet would you it would you [TS]

01:05:11   seek out more work by the same person in [TS]

01:05:13   the same way like you watch aj bring [TS]

01:05:15   something like all that JJ abrams got [TS]

01:05:16   you i love this lens flares and they're [TS]

01:05:18   good [TS]

01:05:18   ya know what this is I'm up I'm up to [TS]

01:05:20   two now because I've seen I i have to [TS]

01:05:24   animate directors I've seen now because [TS]

01:05:26   it's being sake and masatoshi con yes i [TS]

01:05:28   would watch his other movies absolutely [TS]

01:05:30   too bad he's dead and can't make anymore [TS]

01:05:32   just yes but there's paprika paprika all [TS]

01:05:34   because of you [TS]

01:05:35   it's got killed you're not actually your [TS]

01:05:37   fault no i did not give him pancreatic [TS]

01:05:39   cannot unfortunately I think these are [TS]

01:05:41   his two best but now you know you start [TS]

01:05:44   at the top [TS]

01:05:45   alright that's that's fine yeah but it [TS]

01:05:48   yeah i think this was I think this was [TS]

01:05:50   great i appreciate I appreciate the [TS]

01:05:54   suggestions you're gonna have to pick [TS]

01:05:55   something else for us to watch again [TS]

01:05:56   well then we're gonna you know this is [TS]

01:05:58   the beginner class gonna go in 101 with [TS]

01:06:01   investor syracuse right we have to now [TS]

01:06:04   we get worse [TS]

01:06:04   you know perfectly was a little bit [TS]

01:06:06   challenging to get you off balance but [TS]

01:06:07   now we'll go maybe into and put more [TS]

01:06:10   challenging means this stuff you're less [TS]

01:06:11   likely to like uh huh [TS]

01:06:13   don't get all excited fine what's the [TS]

01:06:15   weed out course [TS]

01:06:16   yeah yeah it's like you're giving should [TS]

01:06:18   make sure you're serious [TS]

01:06:20   that's right and then after that it's [TS]

01:06:21   all blue skies but you gotta get that [TS]

01:06:23   the tough sledding in there it will [TS]

01:06:24   watch fruits basket over and over again [TS]

01:06:26   so so we should talk about we should [TS]

01:06:29   talk about where we could where people [TS]

01:06:32   could get these if they're interested in [TS]

01:06:33   washing them [TS]

01:06:35   my understanding is that they're both of [TS]

01:06:38   available they seem to not be available [TS]

01:06:39   digitally you know as as a stream but [TS]

01:06:42   they seem to both be available on DVD is [TS]

01:06:47   that right choice i I've look as you [TS]

01:06:49   might imagine that man or maybe you [TS]

01:06:50   don't imagine i've been looking for [TS]

01:06:51   blu-ray version of all the movies that i [TS]

01:06:53   really love and these are among them and [TS]

01:06:55   i cannot find you can find a legal [TS]

01:06:56   blu-rays of like chinese things with [TS]

01:06:59   russian subtitles that are like probably [TS]

01:07:01   just blu-ray version of the DVD terrible [TS]

01:07:05   like but no official region 1 blu-ray [TS]

01:07:07   release to my knowledge but feel free to [TS]

01:07:09   correct me but you I think you can still [TS]

01:07:11   get the region one dvds of both of these [TS]

01:07:13   that's what I have perfect blue amazon [TS]

01:07:16   claims there is a real import blu-ray [TS]

01:07:19   yeah I know but I when I see that I [TS]

01:07:21   think yes it's probably imported and yes [TS]

01:07:23   it's probably a blu-ray but it's real [TS]

01:07:25   it's in a box and ever is it it's not it [TS]

01:07:28   is it produced by the studio that was [TS]

01:07:30   the right yeah that's a good question a [TS]

01:07:31   remaster it isn't you know it's really [TS]

01:07:34   hard to tell with that stuff we read the [TS]

01:07:35   comments on there like this looks the [TS]

01:07:37   same as the back in my day we had to [TS]

01:07:39   walk and get bootleg on email on VHS [TS]

01:07:42   that have been subtitled by second-year [TS]

01:07:44   jacket Japanese majors it was hard to [TS]

01:07:46   read [TS]

01:07:47   we liked it that way now i have i have [TS]

01:07:48   my share of that as well [TS]

01:07:50   by the way the one thing that's gonna [TS]

01:07:51   stick with me more than anything else [TS]

01:07:52   from from perfect blue is gonna be that [TS]

01:07:56   moment where her her doppelganger [TS]

01:07:59   suddenly his roomie who is a little as [TS]

01:08:01   plump [TS]

01:08:02   yeah whereas wearing my skinny but she's [TS]

01:08:05   wearing that same that same kind of [TS]

01:08:07   school girl out on stage outfit boy that [TS]

01:08:10   is a hilarious moment for it but yeah oh [TS]

01:08:13   yeah she's crazy [TS]

01:08:15   the depredations really good insanity [TS]

01:08:17   yeah just wearing the outfit that [TS]

01:08:20   doesn't fit her just friends good mad [TS]

01:08:22   that's that was a really funny moment [TS]

01:08:25   alright well John you did it to us [TS]

01:08:29   you made us watch anime has promised [TS]

01:08:32   enriching your lives reason I appreciate [TS]

01:08:35   it [TS]

01:08:35   I i enjoyed it I I I have no complaints [TS]

01:08:38   I i enjoyed when when you force fed me [TS]

01:08:42   my diet of the miyazaki movies I hadn't [TS]

01:08:44   seen either it's good [TS]

01:08:45   it helps to have a guide honestly and i [TS]

01:08:47   said this on our miyazaki episodes to [TS]

01:08:49   something like anime which there are [TS]

01:08:51   is the huge fan culture of and there are [TS]

01:08:53   a million different things to watch and [TS]

01:08:55   its kind of impenetrable it's very hard [TS]

01:08:57   to figure out what to watch and where to [TS]

01:08:59   start and how you know what things you [TS]

01:09:02   get the sense almost that you're either [TS]

01:09:03   you're either in all the way or you [TS]

01:09:06   shouldn't go in and that's wrong because [TS]

01:09:08   in reality any genre is going to have [TS]

01:09:11   its great material and it's good [TS]

01:09:13   material and it's mediocre material and [TS]

01:09:15   I i love to sample the great i may not [TS]

01:09:18   get the appreciation of somebody who's [TS]

01:09:20   seen it all and seeing the terrible [TS]

01:09:21   stuff and knows all the tropes and all [TS]

01:09:23   that but that doesn't necessarily mean [TS]

01:09:25   that there aren't 10 or 20 great films [TS]

01:09:28   and you know five or ten great TV series [TS]

01:09:31   that are worth watching even if you're [TS]

01:09:32   an outsider like me so it's been fun to [TS]

01:09:35   to dip into it with these remember [TS]

01:09:38   remember your saying this then when [TS]

01:09:39   you're exercising its kind for my next [TS]

01:09:42   assignment for the when where [TS]

01:09:44   when it when anime 102 comes along [TS]

01:09:47   yeah that's the weed out course Tony [TS]

01:09:49   says that's when I 21 i think to a 10 [TS]

01:09:51   we're gonna go to upper division of [TS]

01:09:53   bringing we're gonna ask a lot more of [TS]

01:09:54   you Jason [TS]

01:09:55   yeah the homework and we're going to [TS]

01:09:58   have to actually do the reading one book [TS]

01:10:00   anymore James home in right they'll be [TS]

01:10:02   five papers the semester I don't eat [TS]

01:10:04   Japanese that's okay I'll just play hmm [TS]

01:10:08   songs in the background and will keep me [TS]

01:10:09   away because it's like injecting sugar [TS]

01:10:11   right into your veins [TS]

01:10:12   alright well this is great we will do [TS]

01:10:15   more of this down the road once John [TS]

01:10:18   choose what to assign to us inflicted on [TS]

01:10:20   us [TS]

01:10:21   it says it's his decision he's in charge [TS]

01:10:23   he's the boss he makes the rules we just [TS]

01:10:26   follow we're just puppets that's we [TS]

01:10:28   dance dance for John and watch these [TS]

01:10:31   movies we danced to cham yes that's [TS]

01:10:34   right [TS]

01:10:35   seh am all capital letters ! so until [TS]

01:10:39   next time i'd like to thank my guests my [TS]

01:10:42   fellow students [TS]

01:10:44   Lisa Schmeisser great to have you on as [TS]

01:10:46   always it was so much fun thank you know [TS]

01:10:48   this was great and Tony sindelar thanks [TS]

01:10:51   for having me thank you for coming back [TS]

01:10:53   and watching all these movies [TS]

01:10:55   anytime and professor siracusa would you [TS]

01:10:59   like to have the last word i'm proud to [TS]

01:11:02   have all of you as my students but [TS]

01:11:04   beware this course will be graded on a [TS]

01:11:05   curve so only one person is getting in a [TS]

01:11:09   exactly and it's probably gonna be Lisa [TS]

01:11:13   proud of some is that that's gonna gonna [TS]

01:11:16   be Lisa until next time uncomfortable I [TS]

01:11:20   am hopefully the B student Jason L [TS]

01:11:23   signing off see you next time [TS]