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00:00:07 ◼   ► the incomparable number 131 marks 2013 [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► welcome back to the incomparable i am [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► your host Jason smell and this is an [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► exciting episode [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► unlike most episodes of the [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► uncomfortable where I sort of pick a [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► topic and it's a topic that pleases me [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► and and I i see if other people are [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► interested in in saying nice things are [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► horrible things about the topic that [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► pleases me [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► this is something that I've been calling [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► John siracusa makes us watch anime and [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► basically I said to John pick a couple [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► of movies that you like and I will watch [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► them and then we'll talk about them and [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► that's what happened so joining me [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► of course is John siracusa he is the [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► ringmaster he tells us what to watch [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► hi John hello jason i hope you were [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► entertained [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► I was but we'll get to that also joining [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► me on this journey of watching watching [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► these two movies that John instructed us [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► to the two people who took up the [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► challenge our Tony sindelar hi Tony [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► hi good to have you back boy you're on [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► all the time now I I don't know why it's [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► a major i am yeah I reply to emails at [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► standard yes that's right you have [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► nothing better to do than be on the [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► podcast it's that kind of season in New [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► England you know a lot of Snowden that's [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► true that's a good point that's a good [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► point maybe we lose all the new [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► englanders in the in the summertime [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► also joining us is Lisa Schmeisser hi [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► Lisa [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► hi it's a pleasure to be here it's great [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► to have you as always [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► so our topic it's two films by satoshi [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► kon is that right John I google for this [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► before the show figuring some what we're [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► going to say this guy's name I want to [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► know how to pronounce that I came up [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► with nothing [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► so I'm we should just preemptively [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► apologize for what will undoubtedly be [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► the terrible mispronunciation of every [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► Japanese p.m. free japanese person's [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► name yeah we are sorry still chic on [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► animated film director in Japan passed [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► away in 2010 made for features and then [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► some shows is that right John something [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► like that something like that i haven't [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► seen everything he's done but I've seen [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► the well-known ones and we're going to [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► talk about perfect blue made in 1997 and [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► millennium actress made in [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► 2001a I i watch these on an airplane as [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► we were saying before the show jon said [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► that might not be the best place to do [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► it since it's some point they're [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► animated boobs like oh god who saw the [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► but nobody saw it I was I was prepared I [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► suspected there might be animated boobs [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► at some point and there there were john [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► i imagine that you have opening remarks [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► or would like to at least set the stage [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► for this and then and then presumably [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► will talk and then you'll reveal your [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► true feelings at the end is that how [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► this is gonna work [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► I don't know will say i do have opening [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► comments but I think we can just talk [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► about both of them [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► alright always together as a group [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► that's excellent yeah i'm i'm always [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► surprised at how few people in our [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► rotating cast of thousands on the [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► incomparable are into anime we can find [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► people who like books and fantasy novels [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► and science fiction and television and [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► movies but no anime people so that means [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► the think the genesis of the show is [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► that you know I i wish we had more [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► people talk about any with and I I want [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► to pick some movies to throw at people [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► who aren't necessarily big anime fans [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► and then see what we have to to say [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► about it so I picked these two movies in [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► particular because i think they are [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► interesting examples for people who are [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► not a giant fans of my first love you [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► are a fan of anime you've already seen [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► these movies it's like discussing Star [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► Wars you know it's like not maybe not [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► that level but if they're very well [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► known popularly never do that on this [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► graph exactly you know but the reason I [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► picked these two is 12 by the same [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► director as you as you noted so kind of [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► like holding one of the variable study [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► if we can they both have female leads [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► they're both set in kind of a realistic [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► world with you know certain fantasy [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► elements always there by artistic [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► license kind of their not well known by [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► non ma fans did did have you ever heard [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► of these movies before I suggested Jason [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► either one [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► no never yes no not even just like title [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► recognition so that's why they're good [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► yeah this could have been fictional [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► titles from that you made up right there [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► really [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► and the final reason is they don't [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► conform to the most commonly known anime [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► stereotypes you don't know what anime is [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► and someone says the board what picture [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► pops [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► your head it's like I'm not like that [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► giant robot school girls in uniforms and [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► animals bringing teenagers magic [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► monsters giant eyeballs blue hair like [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► all at once [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► yes basically star Blazers really do not [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► do not speak LOL i love Star Blazers are [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► saying they're right so we're off to [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► have it and maybe a monkey but ya know [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► that speed racer [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► hmm yeah and so that's what most people [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► think of when they hear anime and I [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► wanted to counter that because i'm a fan [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► of anime but not so much a fan of the [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► stereotypical anime so that's why I [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► picked these two movies and I think they [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► provide an interesting contrast to each [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► other spoken about in the sequence and [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► viewed one after the other [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► yes they do i watch them back-to-back [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► yeah that's it but it's kind of like a [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► nice double header and so that that [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► that's my opening right [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► the idea behind this I have to make a [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► confession i watch these movies in [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► alphabetical order [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► Jason and you're watching on a plane [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► watch them in the wrong order we'll talk [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► about them in the right order and I [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► think that yes that would be good so [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► perfect blue which features my favorite [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► pop idol band of all time job with an [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► exclamation points eh am ! it ! [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► broadband name [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► yes I believe it is it's in the titles [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► and it's on their posters and it's a [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► good idea to check out the id3 tag [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► information on my music collection to [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► see what's gonna Ram you you were the [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► crazed fan who is very angry that mean i [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► left the band aren't you a better is a [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► trio anyway so this this movie is about [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► a singer and a pop band that hasn't [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► quite made it big they've been there [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► kinda small-time named cham and mema [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► quits the band to become an actress and [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► she's in this TV show called the double [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► bind and she's got a small part and her [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► fans and some of her management is kind [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► of upset because she giving up a good [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► thing with this pop group to become a a [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► an actress [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► meanwhile her band which is now a duo [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► actually gets on the charts with a song [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► so she may be feel some regret or does [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► she and so that's that's sort of like [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► the basic the basics of it except [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► there's a there's a stalker who has a [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► website there's some really awesome [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► performer and early world-wide-web done [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► in this movie OS night explaining what [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► websites are two people save that I want [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► I want to have an in-depth discussion [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► about that movie before we transition [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► because I've got some sorry shots I key [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► part of the movie how you explain the [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► internet to people in 1998 yeah one of [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► the reasons I wanted you to watch this [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► movie first was because of the opening [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► scene which is a misdirect i don't know [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► if you remember it [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► no yes yes it's got the robot battle at [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► first both of these movies start with a [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► misdirect it's right that that are are a [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► hat tip to what you'd expect from an [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► anime movie [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► exactly and so you got well this [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► certainly the person with the power [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► rangers and everything like that and if [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► you come in like the title tells you [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► nothing like you said what the heck is [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► perfect blue mean means nothing to you [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► going in even if you see no that's you [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► know the plot you just summarize what [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► does that have to do with perfect little [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► nose and you see the people singing and [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► they run out on stage and then then it [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► you know to their little catchy j-pop [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► song and everything everyone's happy in [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► their little pink dresses and stuff and [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► then it kind of goes discordant phase [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► two white and it's kind of like ominous [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► which is not what you would expect from [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► starting with power rangers then j-pop [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► people then kind of like a weird white [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► face the music goes away and it's kind [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► of like scary [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► alright so three things within like the [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► first 30 seconds of this movie or the [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► first opening sequence and make are not [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► what people expect from anime anime but [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► what I really like about anime because [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► you can do anything you want animation [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► yeah i think my wife looked over at my [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► ipad while I was watching the first 30 [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► seconds of this and I believe she [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► actually rolled her eyes I thought no [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► i'm not watching the power rangers movie [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► John wouldn't have done that to mr. act [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► mr. act what it's about [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► yeah exactly it does touch on something [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► that I really like about this movie [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► because i feel like it gives you an [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► excellent snapshot of pop culture life [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► and in japan in the late nineteen [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► nineties you have pop idols who have to [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► write elevated trains everywhere because [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► they're not rolling in big bucks you got [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► fan culture that seems to be as much [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► about scoring points on each other as it [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► is actually being fans of something [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► you've got these websites that are kind [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► of early there they're almost like early [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► social media I'd I felt like I got to [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► eavesdrop on on a picture of another [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► culture that was actually a huge drop [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► the movie for me were all the little [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► quotidian details that go into the [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► entertainment that keeps Japan you know [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► abused I always have like a westerner is [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► fascination with anime because like [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► pretty much everything I know about [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► japan trip has been from watching anime [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► and like you said the boring things will [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► be I I feel like people in Japan don't [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► get this experience of an away because [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► the boring things will be fascinating to [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► me like just how people live in a little [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► tiny apartments in the grocery shopping [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► stop lying little girl and she likes a [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► specific branch now who would not have [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► won and they can comment on it [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► yeah and that got me thinking about like [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► the square watermelons that were grown [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► for the japanese market so that you know [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► they did they did gross square [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► watermelons because she could stack them [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► more efficiently in the small spaces and [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► is always the question in my mind is how [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► much of the stuff in his movies is made [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► up [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► how much is an exaggeration of a [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► stereotype how much is just a plain [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► boring accurate depiction of Japanese [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► life but to me it's like it's all it's [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► all of a piece and it's like wow this is [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► amazing you never know what is gonna get [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► a Japanese person i know we don't [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► actually live like that you crazy person [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► it's not it's just made up or what they [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► say [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► yeah what you can as a rice cooker and [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► what's the big deal you know me like [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► it's so hard to separate the the fact [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► from reality but I that that is [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► definitely a draw-off watching japanese [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► animation that the boring stuff in the [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► movies is fascinating to me [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► oh yes mmm that was a big reason I kept [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► paying attention [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► um I saw the movie back in the nineteen [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► nineties when it first came out and I [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► remember that as i watched it again this [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► time out to so I don't think I qualifies [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► anime fan but I have what I i do watch [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► it here and there arm goes to the shells [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► one of my favorite movies in the late [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► nineties John I think you and I had a [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► discussion about a series called serial [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► experiments lain yes not a big fan of [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► that I like that one [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► I like that one that I feel like we can [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► have a debate about that but when I went [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► back and read what I didn't like this [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► movie that much in the nineteen nineties [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► but when I went back and watched it on [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► saturday i really could appreciate how [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► tightly written it is [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► because he he he has his little 4matic [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► loop that he keeps returning to over and [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► over again about how much of your [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► identity is internal versus how much of [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► it is is thrust upon you and he just [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► keeps returning to that light motif over [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► and over again and when you're 21 years [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► old and you've just made a major career [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► move and that cur happens to be in the [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► public eye those questions are amplified [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► and I was kind of blown away by the [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► cleverness of the plotting and and the [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► character work that he did this time [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► around whereas it just kind of slid off [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► my brain last time I watched it yeah you [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► know I i have some issues with this [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► movie I liked it but I do have some [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► issues with it i think they're so it's a [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► very there's a strange period where she [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► were mima is doing her early acting and [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► and I I felt like we were all supposed [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► to be a little more concerned about her [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► well-being [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► then I actually was I felt like what [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► what's the big deal she's going to be an [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► actress now it's fine [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► let her be an actress right and and that [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► seemed for a while there I was just like [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► why is this you know the popular wasn't [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► even that successful white why didn't [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► feel her angst and her doubt about what [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► is the right thing to be doing [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► no I thought that she was I thought [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► actually for a while I thought she was [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► handling it better than everybody around [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► ya know she definitely she definitely [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► was that I think that's I think the the [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► performance it's hard to talk about [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► performances and movies aren't actors [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► their drawings right but i think the [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► performances that they give these [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► characters in the movie are actually [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► extremely subtle and complex it [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► I you know precisely for that reason [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► because like you know she she's she [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► seems like it's used to determine person [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► she's leaving this group she's going to [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► go to this other thing and as you said [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► everyone else is all flipping out about [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► it but she's like no this is what I have [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► to do i'm just going to go forward and [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► do it and you're wondering like is you [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► know is is she really is confident she's [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► putting out does she have some sort of [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► doubts and i think that the movie does a [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► good job of breaking that down slowly it [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► so she starts to come apart it's not [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► like oh she's just you know crazy from [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► from the get-go and doesn't know what's [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► going on like she she seems like a [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► normal person doing the right thing [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► that's exactly who you want to seeby i [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► think in peril and a movie like this [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► like a good person doing what they're [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► supposed to do but [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► a situation conspires to you know sit [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► fantastical situation conspires to put [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► her you know in danger because the John [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► she's an emotional John McClane is this [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► what a parallel of the cultural metaphor [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► that I think kind of kind of [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► encapsulates it and this goes back is [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► from last season on sons of anarchy you [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► had an actress named ashley tisdale [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► portraying a hooker in which again at [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► sons of anarchy so it's kind of water [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► while whores but the big deal about [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► Ashley Tisdale was she was in a bowl of [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► the High School Musical movies and and [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► was a Disney kid the image of squeaky [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► clean and all my god now she's like a [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► hooker on FX drama and I kind of got the [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► idea that maybe there was that that [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► discomfort with a squeaky-clean yeah [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► adorooo being transposed into an overtly [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► sexual role and people were i'm not sure [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► how to handle this person who is [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► exercising free agency of her career and [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► mema herself may have been ambivalent [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► about it because let's face it when you [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► go from putting on a little dress and [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► dancing to an audience to being [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► gang-raped in a nightclub [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► um you are probably going to ask a few [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► questions about what about the direction [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► you're going in is really the right one [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► yeah IIM and by the time we get to that [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► point makes sense I guess what I'm [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► saying is that is that she seems very [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► centered for that it from the beginning [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► and everybody around her seem so far the [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► other way that it seems really weird for [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► me that they were they were so far apart [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► i think that's a little bit of the [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► culture of you know these idol singers [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► that like the Phantom around the methods [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► part was part of the reason she wanted [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► to get out of that right and them around [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► them is so insane you know right down to [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► that the management and the people you [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► know and like there are some hard how [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► stable like look she's going to be an [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► actress but she's got to do that's it [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► and you know but everyone else in her [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► life like she's escaping you know that [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► that's why she seems in building one [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► when the 22 people she left start to [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► become successful is like mama you know [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► maybe I should have gone with them [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► whatever on the other hand I'm also kind [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► of glad to be out of that so i like i [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► like that moment actually where she's [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► like you know it's fine i'm doing this [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► now this is the right this is the right [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► thing for me to do I a so another thing [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► I went on to bring up that's in that [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► first scene when there when she [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► announced her departure is the way that [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► the the guy who I guess we call me mania [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► maybe [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► Mina yeah is the stalker he is drawn [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► which is like his my eyes are so far [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► apart that you know is why God in his [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► temples and we frequently we feel only [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► 1i right his face obscured brighter and [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► they're like kind of haunting black eyes [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► and weird teeth and he's a super creepy [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► almost like deformed face guy and I I [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► thought that was really strange to that [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► dead and there's a reason I you know it [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► it's it was clear to me at the beginning [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► that this guy was really obviously [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► creepy and a stalker and that there was [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► probably a reason why he was so [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► obviously creepy and stalker because [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► otherwise you try to conceal him a [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► little bit more her but I still I I [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► found it I found it disturbing and yet [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► also really strange that he was so weird [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► it from the beginning [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► it's a convention of automated [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► apparently it's called donk gon k and [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► the idea is that you're something that [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► you're supposed to be absurdly ugly and [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► you deliberately and without subtlety [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► and it's supposed to be a signifier to [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► character and plot development but that [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► because I think I guess what the [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► animation style this movie and it's like [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► this stop it's not the gigantic heads [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► with eyes that take up two-thirds of the [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► surface and spiky blue hair right but on [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► the other hand like if I had to [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► categorize to know this is like this is [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► realistic animation the people have the [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► proportions of human beings their arms [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► and legs are the correct length their [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► heads are the more or less the correct [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► size in proportion to their bodies [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► so you're like alright just you know it [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► could almost be rotoscope right it's [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► realistic but it's not because if you [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► look at the people i mean he's the most [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► obvious example if you look at anything [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► they are not actually correctly [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► proportion they fool you into thinking [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► you're watching the world with regular [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► people but the trick of the animation is [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► you know really their eyes are a little [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► bit bigger than they should be [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► and you know there's very few lines [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► making up to do that it's it's more [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► expressive than it would be if it was [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► rotoscoped for ECG or something that [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► because the things that they draw can't [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► exist in real life so this is if you [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► tried to make a CG version of that of [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► the mania guy it would just be it would [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► take you out of the movie it would break [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► math it already kind of it adds to hell [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► unsettling he looks right is that the [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► other characters especially frequency [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► and crowd scenes right the other [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► characters he's around [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► kind of generic normal-looking right and [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► he is he is kind of the most cartoony I [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► mean that even just like the other fans [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► like this with them are benign fans [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► York's objectify are nevertheless but [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► still are at least not overtly crazy [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► they look strange to like they become [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► more character likeness is a sucky [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► Kwanzaa movies there's a lot of the you [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► know the people you look at one person [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► like it's an old person but if you go [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► down if you lined up all the characters [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► you'd be like wow now we're really [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► getting into caricatures over there it's [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► almost like a loony toons type thing but [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► it's it's a gradual gradation i wish [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► they hadn't made him so ugly because i [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► feel like that really tip the hand early [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► on [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► um yeah since this movie does rely on a [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► surprise up i'm going to bring the [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► spoiler horn but since the movie does [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► rely on a surprise twist into excuse to [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► try and explain everything that goes on [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► I felt that if you have somebody who [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► looks up so obviously sinister and [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► behaves in such an obviously unhinged [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► away cuz he's the first one to draw [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► blood movie yeah [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► mhm then you know your sort of [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► broadcasting here be a villain whereas [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► if it's somebody who is deceptively [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► normal-looking um I forget the name of [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► the pornographer character but what was [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► some photographer guy [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► yeah yeah the photographer / [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► pornographer one of one of the things I [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► thought was interesting was the way he [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► casually holds out his hand and an [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► assistant puts in another camera and he [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► just keeps the moment going and and it's [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► obvious he's doing a job and he has no [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► qualms about the way he's packaging and [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► marketing nema and I actually thought [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► that was a little bit spookier and [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► creepier than you know internet [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► wall-eyed internet loner runs website [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► well that's that's kind of like to think [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► that she would you know that they can [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► make a point of emphasizing or [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► objectification is the pop idol and she [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► wants to be like a serious actress but [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► then just ends up falling back into the [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► same traps like I guess this is what I [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► kind of have to do but in the other hand [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► now here I am doing these things that [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► you can tell she's not as comfortable [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► with it she would like to be and that's [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► that's eventually to her breakdown is [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► that like she was trying to you know [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► Escape that world when she has that [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► quote where she says well a lot of [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► people have gone to a lot of effort for [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► me to do this I don't want to let them [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► down and you can tell she really resents [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► that too at the same time maybe she's [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► not doesn't want to be you know that the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► whole I have to please my superiors and [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► betters and the males in my life kind of [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► thing that she's going back into this [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► there's a lot I mean for a movie that's [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► exploitative of [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► you know if people look at this all you [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► know japanese movie with these pop stars [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► and are going to be naked and they're [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► gonna be beautiful and they and they all [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► right and they are but it's like I think [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► it does an excellent job of you know [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► using that to good effect and i think i [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► think the nudity in the movie is a good [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► example of that because it there's a lot [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► of it relative to you know most non non [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► adult anime our guests but it's always [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► used in a way that conveys the plight of [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► me man being photographed like the [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► viewers made to feel uncomfortable at [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► the latest right and all and just [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► incredibly well done like it very rarely [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► have I seen the nudity and live-action [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► movies that made me feel as [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► uncomfortable as the animated movie and [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► this movie which is exactly what it's [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► supposed to do like they don't they [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► don't try to have it both ways don't try [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► so you're gonna be titillated and no [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► it's mostly just entirely uncomfortable [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► terrible the reason i'm laughing so I [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► just lands terrible i like the I also [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► like the way that the the rape scene is [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► handled where it's it's the shooting of [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► a rape scene it's not a rape [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► it's a shooting of a rape scene in a TV [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► show and so you have them preparing to [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► be on camera and then there's action and [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► then the action happens and then they [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► cut and then they're out of character [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► again and and and then they let's do it [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► again which really gets there's [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► something about that that it's the you [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► know it's this work and it's it's not [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► horrible unto itself it's that it's [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► horrible in this context of the scenes [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► that they're doing and there's a really [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► great moment where the where they have [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► the rapist actor lean screens down her [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► and says I'm sorry about this just like [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► it's fine but it's it's a that's a great [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► moment everyone's trying to be [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► professional but i think the scene does [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► a great job of saying look no matter how [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► professional you try to be it's still [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► difficult thing to do for an actress [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► like this is this is applying you know [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► this this is a stressful situation for [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► her and it's a difficult thing to do is [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► her first time doing it even though [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► everyone involved is professional and [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► trying to do things the right way or [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► whatever it's you know it's not easy and [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► I this all builds to having a realistic [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► breakdown of this character who is not a [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► flake is not a weak-willed is doing the [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► right thing but nevertheless that these [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► crazy [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► didn't conspire to to finally break her [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► down this writer by the way whoever the [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► the writer of this of this movie loves [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► must love Jodie Foster because there are [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► like at least three aspects of jodie [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► foster that have all been rolled [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► together here because the plot of double [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► bind is essentially the silence of the [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► lambs it seems because there's a serial [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► killer who's taking women's skin off [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► because he wants to be a woman [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► there's the rape scene which is they [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► have the even directly referenced is [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► what jodie foster did in the accused [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► right and of course the know nobody [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► knows what it's like to have a horrible [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► murderous stalker then Jodie Foster [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► because john hinckley was basically her [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► stalker and then shot ronald reagan so I [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► thought that was kind of interesting too [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► that it's but-but-but mima gets it all [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► at once [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► yay good good luck with that and she [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► doesn't handle it well which is not [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► surprising but it to my favorite my [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► favorite part of this movie is but I've [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► done all this work and they've built up [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► this situation oh and by the way the [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► obvious nuh some of the the mania [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► stalker thing I like that aspect another [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► reason i recommend this movie to new [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► people is that if you go in thinking [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► anime is gonna be dumb you'll be like oh [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► this dumps gonna be that guy [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► yeah you guys are looking at ash Park [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► for that but like you like it's another [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► nice misdirect because there are plenty [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► of you know and lifetime movies where [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► the creepy stalker guy is the creepy [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► stalker I for the whole move the whole [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► movie and then you know that's just what [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► it is right this is not the case missing [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► but anyway I love this all comes [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► together and they start doing that [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► sequence which is losing it and they [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► start intercutting her scenes in [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► whatever work that she's doing with her [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► life in such a way that the first time i [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► watch this [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► I actually did find myself questioning [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► what had previously understood to be the [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► reality of this movie which is what [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► they're trying to make you do it [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► normally like I'm you know I'm none too [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► smart for that they're not gonna like [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► wait a second like they they cut back [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► and forth and that the lines in the [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► movie are such a perfect fit for [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► possible explanations of this crazy [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► person who think that she was a pop star [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► and actress you know what I mean yeah [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► and they and they cut back and forth to [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► her real life and her movies I without [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► holding your hand [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► and-and-and without dumbing it down and [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► without like trying to make sure [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► everyone follows along if you go back [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► and look at it it's all completely [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► legitimate and they're not cheating and [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► it's not you know whatever but it really [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► does mess you up and so the this is like [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► a center part of this movie where I get [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► lost even watching multiple times you [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► start to get a lot even though I know [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► you know what is the actual you start to [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► get lost a little bit and that i think i [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► haven't felt in a live-action movie and [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► the longest time where they trust the [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► audience enough to intentionally confuse [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► them without using a cheat to convey [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► what the what the character is feeling [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► and it's not done with like really fast [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► cuts your special effects for dramatic [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► music is just seeing after senior like [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► we need a second because because what [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► you're doing is it since the movies like [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► this the whole way doesn't hold your [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► hand doesn't have like tons of excessive [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► exposition the creator's assume you're [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► not dumb you are paying attention and so [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► when you're paying attention when they [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► start to do that you're like wait a [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► second i'm going to figure this movie [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► out okay so how so this note really [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► she's just a crazy person all time and [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► she thinks she's a pop star that's the [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► reality is that you know which is not [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► actually the case is also another case [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► of a misdirect but I i love that I love [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► that payoff of having earned that that [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► confusing middle section of your wee-wee [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► barrel towards the Big Finish [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► yeah I guess we we should if we haven't [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► gotten to it yet we should at least [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► officially blow the spoiler warning here [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► you should probably watch this movie [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► before you listen to the rest of the [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► podcast or just you know suck it up it's [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► it's just the way it is it this movie [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► has been a long time you should have [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► watched it already it's been out for 16 [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► years [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► yeah Jason why have you watching this [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► movie I know exactly i did I have [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► watched John I know all about it [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► so here's the thing i want to talk about [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► the internet and phantom because I think [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► that's an important part of this movie [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► and and and i want to talk about a [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► little bit + mcintosh perform its [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► awesome before we get there mostly [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► didn't notice that there's some other [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► technology product that's kind of like [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► got a fake name in the movie it's like I [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► don't know whether it's like a sony or [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► HP or something like that but there's [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► something in its faked up but the Apple [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► box is rendered immaculately I thought [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► that was hilarious [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► no I want to talk about the the the [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► sequence that ends up with with the [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► reveal of who is what's really going on [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► here because what it felt like to me I [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► loved the playing with fantasy and [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► reality where we think we're watching [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► her life but it's actually the the show [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► she's on and you know and we wonder if [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► she's going crazy you know sometimes [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► she's confused is the show i'm on where [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► is my real life [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► right exactly i like i like that but [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► they're so there's the sequence of [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► scenes where she wakes up in her bedroom [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► and crazy things happen and then she [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► wakes up in her bedroom again and then [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► crazy things happen and then she wakes [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► up in her bedroom again and I felt like [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► that went on too long I felt like I and [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► here's my theory [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► my theory is that the filmmakers were so [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► concerned about smart [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► audience members figuring out right away [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► that her the managers assistant was [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► actually kind of a crazy stalker because [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► she's the one who has access to the [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► information that's on the website and [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► all that is access to the apartment [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► she's doing as a breakdown every time I [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► mean if you want to the second time it [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► is so obviously like how do you not see [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► well i saw i saw the first time so my [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► theory is that they did the reality [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► spinning stuff again and again again [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► again to make it so kind of crazy and [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► confusing that you lose track of the [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► thing that you you thought at the [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► beginning which is which is what [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► happened to me and so that when the the [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► assistant is revealed to actually be a [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► crazy stalker who then I was like oh [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► yeah right [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► from what I thought earlier but I just I [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► just thought it was too much I thought I [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► thought that it that little kind of like [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► world whirligig of of crazy is it real [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► or is it not when on like a little too [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► long like they were trying a little too [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► hard to just you know put a blindfold on [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► the audience and spin him around a few [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► times still they were diseased it's not [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► actually that long you should watch that [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► section of second time because it's [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► pretty darn type i think where the fish [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► alive where the fish dad with the fish [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► alive where the fish the first one I was [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► like okay this is cool at and when she [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► wakes up again Mike hot that's funny [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► and then when they did the third time I [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► thought yeah i thought okay i don't have [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► a good feeling of like day-in day-out [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► kind of thing like where you know day [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► after day she finds herself waiting I [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► kind of like an alcoholic blacking out [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► where you find yourself back in our like [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► Groundhog Day you find yourself back [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► again in each day you go through it and [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► it gets worse it gets a little less [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► coherent as time goes on it and they [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► kind of one of those little bit like the [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► fish that's the signifier the users with [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► a little bit weak because there again [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► they're relying on you to remember the [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► state of the fish and what does it mean [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► that they're alive and YouTube [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► immediately put together that if they're [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► alive it's a recreation you know like [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► they could have used something else for [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► that but I I i like that there was no [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► explicit exposition that I mean because [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► they had built everything up they don't [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► have to explain to you because you're [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► like oh that makes sense that yes you [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► know it's not it's not a cheat and it's [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► not out of nowhere it's not the [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► character had one line in the movie it's [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► the one that it makes total sense that [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► it would be the one that was hysterical [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► crying when she decided to do the nude [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► scene all that stuff like she was nuts [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► from the beginning of the movie even if [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► you didn't see it like you didn't see it [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► for the same reason that maybe didn't [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► see it because you just have you are as [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► the assistant is like a side character [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► psycho she just stared help me whatever [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► you know what you should be paying more [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► attention to the air and early anyway [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► that was my feeling is that there was a [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► little too much of that and it was I [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► think just trying to get enough of the [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► misdirect so that when that twist came [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► later on you would have you you were off [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► of the first thing at least that's how [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► played for me because you know I just [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► yet that was that it pushed it a little [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► too far for my taste I thought they were [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► trying a little too hard and unlike the [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► sixth sense i think once you know the [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► twisted this movie it doesn't be [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► unless entertaining like it's not really [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► like the twist its fine its there it is [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► what it is but it's that the strength of [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► the movie is not in that part in all its [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► in the characterization and the way [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► things unfold like i like i like the [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► fact that was kind of realistically [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► animated and like you can imagine what [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► the way you describe this movie was [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► probably inaccurate because i haven't [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► seen enough brian de palma movies but [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► you say it's like a brian de palma movie [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► shot in anime because you could make a [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► live-action version of this movie like [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► the fantasy elements are our only [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► fantastical in terms of mental breakdown [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► type of things you know what I mean like [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► you could you could do it in live-action [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► it's it plays straight and fair and it's [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► are reasonably well structured thriller [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► if a little bit conventional but the [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► details of it would really make it [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► oh my gosh to the i would love to see a [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► live-action effect of the imaginary [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► meetin ya leaping from leaping from [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► street light red light red light because [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► that is that isn't hungry Reeves it's [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► wonderful i think it would make a good [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► live action movie [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► definitely yeah oh yeah well it was [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► supposed to be before the funding fell [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► through was not the story there right [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► that's according to wikipedia and [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► wikipedia is never wrong never so can we [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► talk about the the performer which is [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► set up in the movie by the it by the [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► stalker [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► believe it or not that's one another [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► reason that i recommend this movie [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► because the best anime is created by [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► obsessive people and the the perfect the [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► most perfect example this movie is that [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► incredibly obsessive depiction of [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► Macintosh performer 5300 can't tell but [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► what exactly did it set and the setup of [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► same in the box and the whole thing [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► enough imagine imagine me watching movie [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► not knowing anything about it but chosen [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► for me specifically by John siracusa and [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► a Macintosh perform appears I i had to [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► pause the movie on the airplane to laugh [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► and laugh and laugh until tears came [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► down my face it's did you see it like [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► every part of that was right like oh [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► yeah the startup screen [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► oh it was so nice to see that startup [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► screen again the hardware itself the [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► menu bar i think the sound was wrong [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► a bit but that was it was well they're [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► the people drawing it on control the [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► sound of the menu bar with little icons [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► in the finder folder labels the netscape [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► contemporary version escape splash [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► screen the UI and here's the thing that [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► drives me nuts about you know regular [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► live-action movies right [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► they have live action movies with the [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► actual real computer and like it'll be [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► like an actual real macintosh and they [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► still don't look as realistic as this [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► drawing Pacific crazy stuff in the [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► screen and the mouse is from like a ps2 [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► or something yeah but what are you doing [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► you have the real computer for these [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► guys just have a pen and paper and said [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► no we're gonna get this exactly right [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► every single part of that you know real [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► URL she looks on the papers and the [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► actual your relative something like [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► backslashes instead of slashes and some [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► crazy like its it you know it's not hard [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► to do but it's just so amazing to see it [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► and like same thing with the other [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► things you see the coffeemaker the [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► supermarket the stuff that we don't [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► recognize those pathetic because we [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► don't know what the real things are but [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► that obsessive attention to detail is [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► what makes great anime great and like [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► little things like that you know all up [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► to the big things i had i just love it i [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► mean i'll be i'll be honest of course i [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► was going to notice the mac but i did [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► also obsessively notice the all the [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► labels of the prices on the shelves in [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► the supermarket so it wasn't just those [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► it wasn't just the performer but the [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► performer you know it really funny [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► really funny detail but also what it [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► says the idea that she has to explain [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► what room he has to explain to me mama [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► how the internet works essentially and [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► and how it's a homepage [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► basically it's a website for this for [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► for her fans and and then she sees that [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► there are these posts that are allegedly [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► by her that no details of her life but [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► aren't her and that's how she begins to [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► wonder if she's going crazy because she [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► doesn't say these things and yet they're [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► accurate right there dude down two down [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► to detail which is super creepy until [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► they're not until they're not psychotic [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► break the life she wants she has one of [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► the saddest little lines is when she [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► reads the 333 cyclist oh I guess I went [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► too hard you go today and you can tell [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► she has no recollection of it she's kind [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► of sad that that all I guess I did this [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► and she's just so beaten down and [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► resigned to the fact that somebody else [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► is is is eavesdropping on her life and [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► and marketing it and it's it's a further [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► symptom of her madness where she didn't [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► do that at all I always read that as [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► like maybe she didn't do that matter now [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► she's always figured I always assume [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► that she didn't and the assistant went [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► to Harvard you can block the clothes so [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► that way when she did the killing she [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► could then drop it off and there would [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► be the plant there would be the seed of [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► doubt in mimo in Minas mind right so if [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► she ever got arrested for she can be [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► like well I guess I want to her juku and [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► she would keep it down her own veracity [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► right i mean that that woman was crazy [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► like a fox [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► yeah she was she was yeah that's another [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► thing you can do in anime like a hat of [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► post section here that about like since [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► this movie should be done it could be [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► done in live-action why what's the point [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► of doing animation like wouldn't [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► wouldn't it be better and live action [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► and and I actually love animation i [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► think there's things you can do an [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► animation that I like so much better [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► than live action one of them is in the [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► final scene where it's revealed the room [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► is the you know the crazy person when [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► when we see roomy as she sees herself [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► and looks like a blood red clothes [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► version of mima but sometimes we see [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► like her reflection or we see her as she [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► actually is it looks totally different [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► and I guess you can do that with two [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► different actors in the movie or [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► whatever but just think things like that [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► you know that the fantasy elements that [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► you can do when you draw things I it's [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► also much of a piece i got like computer [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► animations and I was gonna call you do [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► anything in computer animation like [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► there's no limits its you know you [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► whatever your imagination but even more [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► so than with computer animation with a [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► blank piece of paper you can really do [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► anything and there's no like there's no [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► black holes like we all you want to like [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► liquids or or you know skin or like [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► certain things that are really hard that [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► it's like well that's a whole big deal [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► and you have to you know sink a [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► disproportionate amount of time and [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► effort in this one thing because you [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► just get a guy with a pencil they can [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► literally draw anything to end to [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► restrain yourself and draw the world [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► around you exactly as you see it but to [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► only embellish it just the right moment [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► in just the right way to make creepy or [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► surreal or whatever is what i love about [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► this this style of animation sort of [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► more realistic style while still showing [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► the flare that you can't really have in [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► live-action absolutely concur [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► there was a movie out about Mary [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► monroe called Norma Jean in maryland [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► where on mira sorvino played the Marilyn [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► Monroe part and actually just played the [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► Norma Jean part and watching those two [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► have scenes together was Marilyn having [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► her [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► am I crazy moment because it was [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► horrible it was a horrible awkward movie [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► to watch and I felt bad for everyone [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► involved so we shouldn't we should move [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► on so before we do that in it we should [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► sum up sum up our experience here for [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► having everybody how did everybody feel [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► what's the final verdict of this in the [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► end i don't think i'd recommend it to [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► somebody who's not already on the nerdly [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► spectrum [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► yeah but but that's just me because a [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► lot of things I think we were talking [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► about are things that we kind of tweaked [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► to because of obsessive natures are [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► geeky nature's my husband's a big fan of [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► more and i still wouldn't recommend this [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► to him [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► I don't think well I think that the [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► things that we liked about it like John [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► said you've got a medium where you can [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► do these fantastical things and they're [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► perfectly aesthetically consistent [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► plausible I'm afraid of the movie i [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► think that might actually be a turnoff [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► to to some people but did you like it [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► that's what we want oh my god yeah yeah [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► I mean I liked it a lot better than the [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► first time I saw which I actually [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► considered something of victory to [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► anyone about you i also enjoyed it i had [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► also seen it 10 or 11 or 12 years ago [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► but the dot remember it very struggling [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► uh I mainly remember i remember that it [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► had a twist in it but I did not remember [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► what the twist was enough [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► you're an old person now it's new to you [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► yeah you know I also remembered that [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► also it had disturbing visuals after the [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► twist which may have been part of why i [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► did not good memory i know somebody [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► who's gonna get like impaled on like you [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► know a giant glass so spoiler that that [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► stuck with me [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► oh the turnout was nothing that the the [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► whatever screwdriver ice pick stabbing [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► westward chose not to retain that but [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► yeah that [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► that isn't so good either I don't know [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► there was something about the following [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► on the beta class even though I guess [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► she's not be able to disturb you know [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► yeah relatively speaking yeah i mean [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► physically at least she was intact but [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► yeah I enjoyed it i think it works well [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► as kind of a thriller [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► um I'm not sure if i would recommend it [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► to somebody kind of seeking out on ma [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► just because it's it is relatively [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► different from a lot of other on [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► everyone challenging it's much more tuna [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► and so I it kind of does work is that I [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► mean it is you know very kind of [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► grown-up adult movie as opposed to other [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► army made that may have adult themes to [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► it but also as can still have kind of be [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► kind of more aimed at like a teenager [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► kind of audience so yeah yeah I I [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► thought it was okay I I because i [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► watched in alphabetical order it was [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► difficult because this is not as good [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► movie is the other 1i think but anyway [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► woof jaxson we'll we'll get there have a [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► gets better as the agency [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► this is a young man's movie full vigor [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► yeah uh-huh yeah [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► hey everyone nobody loves of pop idols [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► more than me i have a website maybe [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► you've seen it [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► Evie but the you know like I said I I [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► weird weird stalker way he's drawn and [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► obviously the bad guy and then I kind of [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► picked up on the on the on the assistant [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► being involved early on and you know I [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► it was fine it was fun i enjoyed the I [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► enjoyed that reality fantasy blurring of [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► the of the show within the show that the [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► TV series and how they change the Ark of [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► the show when she become successful to [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► make it more about her as the sister [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► who's confused and doesn't know reality [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► from fantasy which is hilarious because [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► we're also seeing the reality and [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► fantasy of her own life so it's like [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► they've written her life into the plot [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► and that makes it extra confusing for [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► her you know there's a lot to like about [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► i i i i don't know I i guess i go along [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► with the with tony and lisa that I liked [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► I've got some I've got some issues with [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► it i suppose i really love the early [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► days of the web fans interacting with [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► the with the their famous people [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► might there might be issues there that [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► was that was prescient I mean really [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► this was 1997 so you always this retro [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► know that was contemporary that was how [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► I was gonna pretty much out and the [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► beautiful thing about that is that she [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► actually explains it correctly you can [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► you put the you around the location bar [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► those are real words [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► yeah yeah no she she may be a crazy [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► stalker but she knows how to use format [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► yeah that's how she becomes the crazy [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► starter [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► yes she's she's very practiced [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► maintaining that site [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► yeah so she's got it all figured out [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► there's appears what you do Jason wait [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► 10 years [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► watch the movie and then apparently [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► improves and I think it actually does [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► benefit from like reside watching you [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► know what it was originally released in [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► 97 and really liked it and it's not a [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► few more times and then coming back to [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► her like well this is going to be played [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► out like you know seen this movie before [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► it's kind of a one-trick pony I've seen [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► it it's not gonna it's not going to be [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► affecting i'm not going to be caught up [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► with me just gonna kind of be but it got [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► me again and I was able to notice more [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► nuances this is not a movie that's [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► really about the story it's not about [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► the twist it's more it's more about the [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► emotion and if I don't maybe I'm reading [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► more into it than is there which is [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► typical thing with anime especially when [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► it's it's dumped because i can imagine [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► that the performances that I don't [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► understand are incredibly moving and [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► heartfelt and been really maybe just [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► someone reading lines I can't tell but [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► it got me again it wrapped me up in it [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► but I i agree that the millennium [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► actress is a better movie tom [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► that's all i have to say about that well [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► let's move on to millennium actress 2001 [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► opening this direction the surprise [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► yes this is this is something almost out [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► of space 1999 where if there's a moon [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► base with a a a little sort of shall we [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► say flower petal style that's important [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► it's pastor J that's important [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► a little opening and should the woman it [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► has to go and and leave and no but you [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► can't go out there and she leaves him in [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► a rocket and you're thinking again what [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► is this that i'm watching and it turns [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► out that it is we cut to a guy watching [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► it on TV and he says this is always my [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► favorite part and turns out that he and [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► a cameraman [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► are going to interview this famous [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► actress who were mostly in the what [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► forties and fifties now up through from [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► the 47th sixties 36 panwar to ya-ya [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► Spanish start she starts during World [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► War Two and she stops pretty much when [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► she's in her forties so up to almost the [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► seventies i think is that that kind of [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► space movie wouldn't have been made any [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► ground before nineteen seventy yeah well [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► like I said it looks in 3-space 1999 I'm [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► oh yeah and and they are going to get a [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► rare interview with her so it'sit's him [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► and the cameraman and and they go to her [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► her house and and she comes out and says [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► I think you have something you said you [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► had something for me and he gives her a [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► key and she's taken aback by this and [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► quite shocked it's the Rosebud number of [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► yeah basically he's so he isn't she [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► talked about her garden how she loves [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► the flowers and his production company [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► we learn is also called lotus is that [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► right yeah which is the flower that she [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► grows and she's so that's funny I grows [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► flowers mrs. I know but it's not great [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► restart not into creepy stalker creepy [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► in a fanboy yeah he's a total he's a [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► huge fan of hers who is who is now [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► interviewing her for a documentary about [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► her life basically and she begins to [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► tell her story of this this famous [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► actress and it's told in flashback and [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► so for a while you're thinking okay i [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► get i get with this is going up see [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► movies like this and then a funny thing [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► happens which is the interviewer and [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► cameraman are in the flashback as if [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► they're recording the flashback for the [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► documentary and thus begins millennium [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► actress where reality and fantasy you [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► may have you may have just heard us [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► talking about this for another movie are [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► blurred and and and uh it's fascinating [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► because they're interacting in her [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► flashback while also obviously cut to [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► she's telling them the story and its [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► kind of delightful in the way that it's [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► not your usual you know flashback with [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► you know ripple dissolve to [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► black-and-white of here's what happened [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► instead they're like commenting on and [TS]

00:45:37 ◼   ► and kind of like chasing the characters [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► around through [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► flashbacks and then it gets it gets even [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► weirder as it as it goes to the point [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► where you get really confused about how [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► it could possibly be be happening and [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► it's it's a yeah it's fascinating it had [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► a guy i really like this i thought i [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► thought that it was great and i love the [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► blurring of reality and fantasy and it's [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► a weird afterward my wife said so how [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► was that my said it's a weird movie and [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► she said it looked weird and I said yeah [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► but it's really good it's really good [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► really good [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► I was really moved by it yeah oh yeah [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► especially and what I love about the [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► movie is how you said it opens up with [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► with the misdirect but I i will say that [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► it provides a beautiful bracketing but [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► towards the end of the movie where he [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► stands up its well that's bookings and [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► she sums up he sums up what you come to [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► realize about her and about the whole [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► narrative and then she seems off into [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► space and I thought what a beautiful [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► metaphor for the end of the 20th century [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► because this movie I feel like it's sort [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► of a love letter to the people of Japan [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► for everything they had to live through [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► the 20th century and the things that [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► they may have relied on to keep them [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► going and when the journey becomes much [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► more interesting than the destination [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► and and you become much more optimistic [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► about the future simply because you have [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► a way to get there so I i was just [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► incredibly moved by this movie [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► yeah they're one of the reasons I i [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► picked this as such a nice connection [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► with perfect blue is all these things [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► that we said the same that the female [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► lead the mixing of reality and and you [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► know film or fantasy or fiction and [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► stuff like that seems to be just like [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► all this is to know the two sides of the [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► same coin but they're so incredibly [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► different in tone like this is so much [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► more playful and has an entirely [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► different emotions field despite doing [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► so many of the same things the other [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► thing doesn't mixing together at her her [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► work as an actress with her life [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► yes so in in perfect blue she's reading [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► lines at in the story that could very [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► well be talking about either what her [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► actual life is or what we think maybe is [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► you know that the video we can tell [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► issue talking about real life for her [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► fantasy life or maybe your family life [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► is her real life and it seems so [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► on-the-nose right and in here in this [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► did you do the same thing where she's in [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► these movies she's playing you know a [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► geisha girl she's playing a warrior [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► princess she's doing whatever she's [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► playing and the lines that she'd read [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► you know because you've been listening [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► to her retail her life are just entirely [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► directly about her life and you're like [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► oh that's how could the lines of the [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► movies be directly about her life and I [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► think that is a wonderful way to show [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► what it feels like to be an actor [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► because you know your actors always [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► drawing on emotions in their own life or [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► whatever and yeah they got their not [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► saying lines that are that are like you [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► know when my father left me when I was a [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► child like if my lines in the movie they [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► don't say but that's what it feels like [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► to them so when we see her speaking [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► these lines like everything is subtext [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► this movie because the text is not the [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► text about the text right and sometimes [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► it seems like almost kind of corny were [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► like out there wouldn't be a line in the [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► mood so directly addresses the thing [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► that she's going through her life right [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► now but that's what it feels like if [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► you're channeling those emotions into a [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► nagging performance and of course we're [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► only shown selected lines from it in and [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► then like they just they just keep [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► turning the crank to say okay are you [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► still with us but we'll turn even [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► farther you still with us now what about [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► this what about this and you know he's [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► saving her in the movies and at some [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► point it's like danger and moving you're [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► worried about how are you like when it's [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► like this is the movie isnot she's not [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► actually in danger and and like her you [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► know the painter guys chasing after it [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► like inside the movie but not really and [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► you know is she telling a story about [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► her own light real life in a train [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► accident or is this a train accident in [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► a movie right and when they get out of [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► the train because they're surrounded [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► their then in feudal Japan right so [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► there's that element to of like well [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► what is did she really did she go [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► through a portal and step backward in [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► time did the movie is it a science [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► fiction movie that she's making or is [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► this just another movie that happened a [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► little bit later [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► what's the but but the whole point of [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► this movie is about the flexibility of [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► memory and how sometimes memory makes [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► things feel more real to you than what [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► actually happened at the time and so [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► over time your story of what happened [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► and the story of your feelings becomes [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► the truth it's also about how film is [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► our film is our memory in some ways and [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► film represents reality it and and then [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► the next step beyond that it's also [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► about like you said the history 20th [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► century Japan and the way the movies the [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► movies that she makes reflect that right [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► right to the point where when she starts [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► it's a you know they're shooting a movie [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► in China [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► there's a nationalistic you know cheap [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► Japanese campaign to you in China and [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► they've taken over portions of China [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► pre-world War two is when they referred [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► as Manchuria that brought me up for a [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► moment yeah like God that's right and [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► then yeah and then you start thinking [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► about the rape of nanking and how for [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► ordinary Japanese citizens they know [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► nothing about this and and their [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► perspective will be completely different [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► which is all we have to make booster [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► films and we have to support the troops [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► and right and the Chinese were [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► desperately fighting to keep these [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► people out our are seen as these savages [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► as opposed to although she's chasing a [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► hippie painter who is anti-war yeah [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► to be fair or what passes for a hippie [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► in nineteen thirties Japan revolutionary [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► this is one of the hit the other comp [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► you a very common thing anime and how [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► could it not be an end its represented [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► better in this movie than perfect blue [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► out so this movie has a building shaking [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► events that punctuate the movie its [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► specific moments [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► Matt both man-made and earthquakes and [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► Japan's fault lines you know and [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► everything but then you've got the world [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► war two firebombing and all that other [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► stuff right and how its how can any art [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► made by Japan post-war to not be about [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► like at the very very bottom like not [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► have liked the war atomic bombs like [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► that is such an incredible theme [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► throughout all of anime and it's like [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► it's kind of you know cliche like oh oh [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► you know Japanese every one of the [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► movies about a nuclear bomb so they did [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► have the two of the city's growing up I [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► was like like yeah it's like saying you [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► don't respect it's like saying all [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► Western literature is like so much stuff [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► based on the bible it's so try to like [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► that all you know this [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► there's a reason for that like it's it's [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► it's such a theme in the movies and this [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► is this is one that uses those themes [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► with with the earthquakes and and you [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► know all the war 15 to 20 years from now [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► someone's gonna go back and go a lot of [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► American pop culture was really [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► obsessing over terrorism and secret [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► betrayals and buildings falling down and [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► and well can't they get over that [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► come on you're the only nation on the [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► planet to get nuked yeah at and I feel [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► like this is this movie is about it in [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► in a in a beautiful and subtle way like [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► making life because it's about her [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► personal like these these earthquakes [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► and events have to do with like that [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► 11 happens at the end of the movie the [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► dance ends up sending into the hospital [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► is the one that that in the beginning [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► with it interrupts the the buses name [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► jenya from from watching the movie at [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► this is a young version of him saving [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► her in the earthquake that sort of ends [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► her career when she loses the key right [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► and fought the light great lighting [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► break falls on her is the actual total [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► destruction of the studio by [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► construction equipment destruction of [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► the studio by firebombing by you know us [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► bombers that theme but just you know [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► repeated in this movie several different [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► times kind of look like I feel like this [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► movie gets away with so much that would [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► be corny or ham-fisted because it's just [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► so good-natured and fun and I like we're [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► just going to feel these emotions [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► together and we're not gonna take [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► anything too seriously but there is real [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► deep emotion like it's not it's not [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► wacky and silly it strikes the right [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► balance and that's why I feel like it [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► it carries you with it to get that big [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► payoff at the end when she you know goes [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► off into into a hyperspace [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► tony is still out there i'm still here [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► what do you think [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► um I guess I i did not like this movie [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► is jaha uh haha i I've only seen it once [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► and that was today so maybe it will be [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► different when I revisit it [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► I mean I think I picked up on a lot of [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► it but perhaps some of it you know i was [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► missed by and I think I particular i did [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► not like kind of the insertion of the [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► filmmakers or said and you know his [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► cameraman kind of into this i don't know [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► that that didn't work for me um like [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► that they they did that and I was like [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► is are they gonna keep doing this [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► because i don't i don't want that mean [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► well that's going to turn you off from [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► the movie yeah and they kinda and I was [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► like you know and they like I kind of [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► liked work the when they went to the [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► scene that was kind of from his [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► perspective right and and he was talking [TS]

00:54:08 ◼   ► to you know where we saw him his mini [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► career with the studio but there i think [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► it was especially kind of the secondary [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► character of the of the cameraman who [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► was really kind of just their kind of [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► for comedic purposes kind of slapstick e [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► comedic purposes that really kind of [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► that broke that for me I didn't love the [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► cameraman he's definitely a tie-pin [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► animate the the disinterested assistant [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► you know salary men [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► you know too-cool-for-school kind of [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► thing but like they bring him around at [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► the end too because he is a man anime [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► character which you may not know if you [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► don't watch a lot of anime but then by [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► the end of the movie he's actually [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► interested in hurst as they're driving [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► to the hospital he's he has come around [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► fight like you see a finally a crack in [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► that cynical kind of have to be here [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► doing this no you know I mean and you [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► know it's they're both they're both [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► characters like the guys so enthusiastic [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► and he loves you know his favorite [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► actress and like but you mean youyou the [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► bind to that are you doing business this [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► is that this is that kind of movie is [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► the kind of movie admit it you know is [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► going to be over-the-top and it's going [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► to do corny things and it's gonna do [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► ham-fisted things and you that you [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► either you either buy it or you don't [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► and I've got this with the movie i [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► actually have recommended to a lot of [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► people who say they're not into anime [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► and some people are just completely [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► bounces often it's just too weird for [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► other people it can if it catches you [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► you're doing because it knows exactly [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► where it's going to take you and it [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► brings you straight through and pops you [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► out the other side and I'm all the anime [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► movies i have this is the most likely 12 [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► cause people to be crying at the end of [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► it was just something something from you [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► know that anime tends not to have that [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► reputation but this movie of all the [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► ones of my collection can actually do it [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► but if specifically if you don't let it [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► never doesn't it doesn't grab you that's [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► not gonna happen i'm just gonna be this [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► weird movie where nothing happens [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► I mean I i found it touching but i think [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► yeah I don't think I was grabbed and I [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► guess I thought perfect blue was a prep [TS]