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0:00:00so we watched six days to air which is

0:00:03documentary about how an episode of

0:00:06South Park is created and the reason

0:00:09this documentary exists and the reason

0:00:11it is interesting is that for the last

0:00:14number of years the team behind South

0:00:17Park they will come up with an idea for

0:00:20an episode right the episode animator

0:00:23and voice actor within six days and then

0:00:26it is played to the world on Comedy

0:00:28Central

0:00:29so that is why this documentary team

0:00:32decided to come and take a look at what

0:00:34that process is like because I this has

0:00:38never been done before this is the only

0:00:39animation to be done in this way at this

0:00:41scale for this long so they are wholly

0:00:46unique and it presents with it a bunch

0:00:49of very interesting challenges that the

0:00:53team goes through which is what we want

0:00:55to look at as a way to kind of do a mini

0:00:57I guess it's a kind of like a case study

0:00:59on how people work under pressure I can

0:01:02hardly think of other jobs that would be

0:01:05this kind of pressure mm-hmm you know

0:01:08running through the roster and I'm

0:01:09thinking uh air traffic controllers I

0:01:12know that's a lot of that's a lot of

0:01:14pressure but but producing creating from

0:01:17nothing and going to a completed show in

0:01:20the space of a week is insanity and for

0:01:24comparison they mentioned like The

0:01:25Simpsons which is the most comparable

0:01:27animated show to South Park in no small

0:01:30part because they have both been on the

0:01:31air forever and we're sort of started

0:01:34around the same ish era The Simpsons

0:01:37takes months to produce each episode so

0:01:41it's not just like oh they're doing it

0:01:43in six days and other other shows take

0:01:45two weeks I know it's a it's an it's an

0:01:48incredible difference between the the

0:01:52production cycle and other shows the

0:01:54creators of South Park Matt and Trey you

0:01:57know they are interesting guys they've

0:01:59done a lot of different projects over

0:02:01the years and when I was watching South

0:02:04Park when I was younger like the show

0:02:07has been on now for 20 plus years and

0:02:10I've seen a lot of the first ten

0:02:13years I haven't seen a lot of it in the

0:02:15most recent 10 years but when I watched

0:02:18it back in the sort of pre-internet days

0:02:21I remember noting how quickly things

0:02:26that happened in the world were able to

0:02:28work their way into the show and I

0:02:30always wondered like how is it that a

0:02:33show like South Park is able to respond

0:02:36to things in the world on such a such a

0:02:38short timeframe whereas everything else

0:02:41that's created for television it clearly

0:02:44is created that can have in a void of

0:02:47timelessness that it could it could

0:02:48occur at any point I always just found

0:02:50that notable and weird and it made South

0:02:53Park feel like a a special different

0:02:56show that it could react to something

0:02:58that happened last week and I always

0:02:59wondered and now I have the answer the

0:03:02way they were able to do that is with an

0:03:04insane working schedule that nobody else

0:03:08in the world would copy so the

0:03:10documentary begins and when set is March

0:03:132011 and for context the show we've been

0:03:17on a bit of a break a longer break man

0:03:19had ever taken before because Parker and

0:03:22stone had just debuted their musical the

0:03:25Book of Mormon and it was up for a bunch

0:03:28of Tony Awards and they just kind of got

0:03:30the first run or the first few shows out

0:03:33of the way before returning back to

0:03:35South Park so there had been a

0:03:37significant period of time where the

0:03:39show had not been on the air because

0:03:40without Parker and stone

0:03:42there is no South Park but they couldn't

0:03:44make it without them as you kind of come

0:03:45to learn over the course of the

0:03:47documentary so they took a break they

0:03:49took a long break and then they come

0:03:52back and episode one of this season also

0:03:54just completely lucky on the documentary

0:03:57makers parts ends up becoming one of the

0:04:00most infamous episodes that has ever

0:04:03been created it was an episode called

0:04:05humancentipad

0:04:07we don't need to go into it right like

0:04:10it is what it is it's one of the most

0:04:12infamous episodes that they ever made

0:04:13but it was just interesting to watch how

0:04:16that all came together over the course

0:04:18of this week it's an infamous episode

0:04:21because it is iPads crossed with the

0:04:24human centipede yes oh yeah

0:04:26yeah it's very South Park it is the most

0:04:29South Park it could be but because they

0:04:31taking this break one of the things that

0:04:34I was astounded by was how long it took

0:04:36them to come up with the concept of the

0:04:38episode it's like one or two days of the

0:04:41six days they're still working out what

0:04:43the episodes about and that seems wild

0:04:45to me right like I assume that as the

0:04:47seasons go by they have some ideas in

0:04:49the bank but they started on just like a

0:04:51completely blank slate trying to work

0:04:54out how to complete the episode right so

0:04:58it's like dead nothing can happen so

0:04:59everybody's kind of is so much hanging

0:05:01around like the rest of the team are

0:05:03just waiting like there's times later on

0:05:06in the episode where individuals are

0:05:09sleeping in the offices because the

0:05:12script might come at 3:30 in the morning

0:05:14and then they can get the work like

0:05:16there seems to be this just really wild

0:05:20work schedule that everybody goes

0:05:22through the way the show usually runs is

0:05:25that they're there they build up some

0:05:28kind of events that are occurring

0:05:30throughout the several episodes and so

0:05:33that there's they end up with ongoing

0:05:35stories that take place over the course

0:05:36of the season but because because like

0:05:39you said they're coming back into work

0:05:41it's the start of a brand new season

0:05:43it's also because they've been on such a

0:05:45big break that I found the same thing

0:05:47was astounding where it's I think is

0:05:49sort of like six people in the writers

0:05:51room you know Matt Matt and Trey are the

0:05:53two main guys obviously they have the

0:05:54producer there they have a couple other

0:05:56writers that they're people who are

0:05:58there

0:05:58but the beginning of the documentary is

0:06:00just all of these shots of them just

0:06:03sitting there I may stay in a room a lot

0:06:06of chasing looking up looking up at the

0:06:09ceiling and they're just they're just

0:06:13tossing out things that are zeitgeist II

0:06:16all right so they're like uh there's

0:06:18been a lot of there's been a lot of news

0:06:20about that tsunami that occurred our

0:06:22tsunamis funny alright they're looking

0:06:23around trying to think of tsunamis are

0:06:24funny and it I agree with you when you

0:06:27see that the premise of the documentary

0:06:28is okay it takes six days to make an

0:06:30episode of South Park and you realize

0:06:33that close to a third of that time at

0:06:36least on the first episode

0:06:38is just sitting around trying to think

0:06:42up what the show is going to be it makes

0:06:44it even more astounding and it's it

0:06:46really it's like the production is a lot

0:06:49closer to four days to air and and we we

0:06:53have the actual idea on the morning of

0:06:56the fourth day that that's what it

0:06:58that's when it starts to come together

0:06:59yeah there's a quote from one of the

0:07:01producers and this is like at the

0:07:03beginning of the six days there's a show

0:07:05on Wednesday we don't even know what it

0:07:07is there is it just an incredible

0:07:12pressure that goes to it and I mean

0:07:15there is a part of me that can

0:07:17sympathize in a very very small way so

0:07:21you know I produce a number of shows

0:07:23that are focused around news and

0:07:26sometimes you get to like two days

0:07:29before the episode and there's nothing

0:07:32but the episode is being recorded in two

0:07:35days so like what do you do and then

0:07:38there is that this do you come up with

0:07:41some kind of evergreen topic like

0:07:43something that isn't news based do you

0:07:45sit with your fingers crossed hoping

0:07:46that there will be news like is nowhere

0:07:49near the scale that this is at because

0:07:51it's like creating something wholly

0:07:53larger with many many dependencies but I

0:07:56can totally understand the feeling of

0:07:58like it being completely out of our

0:08:01hands like we don't know what it's gonna

0:08:04be and eventually there's gonna have to

0:08:06be an episode but as of right now no one

0:08:10knows what its gonna look like

0:08:12yeah and I've there are two moments with

0:08:17Trey Parker in particular where I felt

0:08:19like oh dude you have all of my sympathy

0:08:22in the world but but one of the scenes

0:08:25is he's trying to work on the script

0:08:27that's the McDonald's delivery I was

0:08:29wondering how I I specifically wrote

0:08:32down to ask you what you thought of Trey

0:08:34Pacha's script writing process there's a

0:08:37couple of things in here but it's like

0:08:39he's getting he's getting what looks

0:08:40like just the world's worst McDonald's

0:08:43meal delivered to him they say it makes

0:08:45me happy for five minutes yeah the

0:08:49documentary guy asks him about like this

0:08:51clear

0:08:52two bags of garbage he's about to pour

0:08:54into himself and yeah and that's that's

0:08:57a surprise like oh it makes me happy for

0:08:59five minutes

0:09:00and just talking about how at this at

0:09:05this point it's a little bit after they

0:09:06have come up with the actual idea but he

0:09:08still needs to sit down and turn it into

0:09:09a real script and I have a lot of

0:09:14sympathy for that behavior of like oh

0:09:16he's doing something that he knows is

0:09:17self-destructive but it's bringing him a

0:09:19little bit of joy in the middle of what

0:09:21is a miserable process because he

0:09:23clearly hates the scriptwriting thing

0:09:25and it's this unlike the writers room

0:09:27where they're trying to come up with the

0:09:29ideas and there's people and he's

0:09:30bouncing stuff off and you can see that

0:09:32he's much more lively there the script

0:09:34writing process is like well it's just

0:09:36Trey Parker sitting in a room with a

0:09:38computer with no one yeah it was wild to

0:09:42me that he writes it just him like they

0:09:47have writers but they're not writers in

0:09:49this in the sense of you know you know I

0:09:51don't know what the term is but like

0:09:52when I think of writers like are there

0:09:54write in the whole episode doesn't work

0:09:55like that they're coming up with the

0:09:56ideas and helping him flesh out some of

0:09:59the plot points but all of the dialogue

0:10:01is actually just written by Trey Parker

0:10:04yeah it's it's it's crazy I mean let

0:10:06alone the fact that they still to this

0:10:09day voice the vast majority of the cost

0:10:12as well yeah yeah I mean there's there's

0:10:14so much that they do it's it's

0:10:16unbelievable but the the the reason why

0:10:18I had this double sympathy for him was

0:10:20because it's like okay I get that like

0:10:22you're eating crap because you've just

0:10:24got a bunch of work to do and like

0:10:25that's a behavior that I have tried to

0:10:27breed out of myself over time and I've

0:10:28gotten way better about it but it's like

0:10:30when I was faster at producing videos

0:10:33it's like my health really suffered and

0:10:34it was like oh yeah this looks familiar

0:10:36I know this like yeah you happy for a

0:10:38minute but the other thing that to me is

0:10:42again in the smallest way but is also

0:10:45now much more my world than it was years

0:10:48ago is okay the one the one thing is no

0:10:50more but the new thing is where he talks

0:10:53about how he's sitting there writing the

0:10:54script and he just knows that the

0:10:58entirety of the staff of the production

0:11:01of South Park is waiting on him to

0:11:03finish this thing

0:11:05and he knows that

0:11:08how late of a night he's going to force

0:11:11on everybody who works on the show is

0:11:13entirely down to his ability to sit in

0:11:16this room and and write the script and

0:11:19just the the the pressure of that you

0:11:24know I I have things where's like oh I

0:11:26know people are waiting on me and it's

0:11:28like I hate that I hate being the

0:11:30bottleneck it makes me really unhappy

0:11:32and and him talking about like this

0:11:34entire team of animators and everybody

0:11:38else is just waiting for him to finish

0:11:40it I thought I can't I cannot believe

0:11:44that the two of them have done this for

0:11:47as long as they have and that they're

0:11:49and that they're alive that this that

0:11:51this has not killed them the production

0:11:54of this show because the the final

0:11:55scenes for this episode are delivered to

0:11:59the animators 24 hours before they air

0:12:03and this is not there's no dialogue so

0:12:06still what record the dialogue where you

0:12:07deliver the scenes I start animation go

0:12:09cord the dialogue good a match all the

0:12:10dialogue gonna put the whole thing

0:12:11together 24 hours like I love this this

0:12:15one moment like the 36 hour mark where

0:12:19this is the first time this has happened

0:12:20the producers are looking for Trey

0:12:24Parker they're like walking around the

0:12:27studio like where's Trey like they're

0:12:30trying to find him because they know

0:12:33just how horrific Lee late they are at

0:12:36this point because like it seemed like

0:12:37this one as being the first episode was

0:12:40particularly bad right like then they

0:12:42pushed it on particularly like late in

0:12:45the whole process and like another thing

0:12:47that I thought that you I want to see

0:12:49what you thought was when he's talking

0:12:51about the script and he still got like

0:12:53five scenes to go or whatever and he's

0:12:55like I have to cut so much of this mm-hm

0:12:58like he's like I've not finished but I

0:13:01know what I have here is a 40 page

0:13:03script which is like a 40-minute episode

0:13:05and we have to deliver a 25-minute

0:13:07episode and he's just like I have to

0:13:10take it all out and it's gonna suck and

0:13:12it is really interesting to watch as the

0:13:14week goes on to watch Trey's confidence

0:13:17start to fall

0:13:18mmm-hmm like by the end he's just like

0:13:21this is the worst episode we've ever

0:13:22done I'm like in he's being legit right

0:13:26like he it doesn't seem like he's joking

0:13:28now that's I mean but this is this is

0:13:31sort of legendary that the two of them

0:13:33but particularly Trey Parker always feel

0:13:34this way that's like oh this episode is

0:13:36terrible but I think it's also just like

0:13:38you've been so intensely involved in the

0:13:40thing in such a short period of time

0:13:41that all you can see are the gazillions

0:13:43of its flaws and I think this is pretty

0:13:47famously there's an episode of South

0:13:49Park that they did which is a crossover

0:13:52with World of Warcraft that was actually

0:13:55produced with the very people who

0:13:57animate that game and my understanding

0:14:00of it is that they thought that that

0:14:02episode was so terrible they came as

0:14:05close as they've ever come to actually

0:14:07pulling it to saying like we're not

0:14:09going to air it at the last minute and

0:14:10like we'll just have to run a like a

0:14:12rerun in the in the space and of course

0:14:14like that went on to be one of the most

0:14:16famous and acclaimed episodes that

0:14:19they've ever done is that episode but

0:14:21it's it's like you can see he is crushed

0:14:24every time at the end of these episodes

0:14:27but the thing that kills me here is this

0:14:30is just the start of the season I feel

0:14:32like I have I have watched two men live

0:14:36a year's worth of life in six days and

0:14:39it's not like oh it's over go take a

0:14:42break guys enjoy the weekend is another

0:14:44the next episode is starting up right

0:14:46now they get one day right which I

0:14:50assume is not a day off yeah not in any

0:14:53not in any normal sense yeah but the the

0:14:56other part where I just had such

0:14:58sympathy is when they're still in the

0:15:00coming up with the ideas phase in that

0:15:03in the first two days where they really

0:15:04just don't have anything and Trey

0:15:08mentions how he's like oh I'm gonna try

0:15:10to get away and just not think about

0:15:11this for a little bit so he goes home

0:15:12and turns on his xbox to just turn off

0:15:16his mind for a little bit but the ad on

0:15:18the Xbox is South Park coming this

0:15:20Wednesday right at this point it's

0:15:24Friday and he's like that was I love

0:15:28that it's like that's so just so cruel

0:15:31right like he escaped because everything

0:15:35cuz it's at the point it's at the size

0:15:37that it is that by this point it's

0:15:39everywhere right like and there's just

0:15:41if no escape from it oh yeah yeah and as

0:15:44mentioned I think this documentary

0:15:45happened at the exact magical right time

0:15:47yeah because there was probably no

0:15:50season of South Park promoted more than

0:15:52that one

0:15:53the we're returning after a break and

0:15:56also the episode where they've just

0:15:59produced this incredible musical that

0:16:02has received all this wide acclaim

0:16:03so that everywhere at this point because

0:16:05the book exactly you know it's wet you

0:16:07know it had like every Tony nomination

0:16:09which also happened in that week they

0:16:11got a time Tony nominations right like

0:16:14because the Book of Mormon was was huge

0:16:17it was huge right and so there's so much

0:16:20pressure on them they probably got more

0:16:23people that were wanting to see South

0:16:25Park then they have had in a while

0:16:27because they're not they're like hot and

0:16:29in the news again you know I can't even

0:16:32I can't even imagine

0:16:33I just can't yeah yeah but it is like

0:16:35the universe is so cruel like this poor

0:16:37guy is just trying to turn off his brain

0:16:39for a little bit and his lifestyle for

0:16:40coming this day like I just can't

0:16:43imagine what that feels like to be

0:16:44sitting there thinking like oh there's

0:16:46Wednesday I guess I need to come up with

0:16:48it you know I'm just forgot it's just

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0:18:24supporting the show the thing about this

0:18:27documentary that I find so fascinating

0:18:28is so many people talk about how they

0:18:33work better under deadlines and you know

0:18:37personally that is a thing that I have

0:18:38not found is is true for me I work worse

0:18:40under deadlines but obviously it does

0:18:43work for a lot of people and this feels

0:18:47like the most extreme version of that I

0:18:50have ever seen that not only do Trey

0:18:55Parker and Matt Stone work well under

0:18:57deadlines because they produce these

0:19:00very popular very funny shows but

0:19:04they've also created around them an

0:19:07entire team and production company that

0:19:11just has to be filled with people who

0:19:13work well under deadlines it has a quote

0:19:17from the animation director thing and he

0:19:20says if it takes you four days to get

0:19:23something done you can't contribute

0:19:25right like if you are slow they can't

0:19:29you can't work there and like they're

0:19:31saying that in usual animation houses

0:19:33you have teams of people that do the

0:19:35specific parts right storyboarding and

0:19:37then animating and that kind of stuff

0:19:38but the South Park team everybody does

0:19:43everything because they just don't have

0:19:46the affordances of time to have it go

0:19:49through a slow process you know you get

0:19:50a scene or whatever that you're working

0:19:52on and you will do it from scratch you

0:19:55know and there are things that they have

0:19:57obviously done over time right

0:19:59like their process has been optimized

0:20:01and in an animation style to allow for

0:20:05them to create something in that amount

0:20:07of time right like the the the

0:20:09well-known like what started with

0:20:12literal pieces of paper cut out and

0:20:14moved around in stop-motion I have no

0:20:16doubt that that style of animation helps

0:20:18them to work a little bit faster oh yeah

0:20:22oh yeah I mean there was this funny

0:20:24thing where you know now as an adult who

0:20:28has a tiny toe in the world of animation

0:20:31but from my perspective watching this

0:20:33documentary it's really interesting just

0:20:35a couple of little offhanded comments

0:20:36that the animators make I was like oh of

0:20:38course I can I can see exactly what this

0:20:40is where yeah that they they talked

0:20:43about how oh this this style is

0:20:46intentionally done because you don't

0:20:48have to actually draw every frame that

0:20:52in in animation there's this process

0:20:54where you you can have a static thing

0:20:56you can draw something and then you can

0:20:59just specify oh it has to move from here

0:21:02to here and the computer fills in that

0:21:05motion in between and as I'm listening

0:21:07to it like that's what I do like it's

0:21:09exactly my animation process like I

0:21:11don't draw every frame so you know every

0:21:14one of my videos is in a much simpler

0:21:16way but it's the same thing where I'm

0:21:18taking objects and specifying key frames

0:21:21of this needs to move from here to there

0:21:24in an arc and computer you just draw the

0:21:2760 frames in between that needs to make

0:21:29that happen

0:21:30but but I was also just so aware of that

0:21:33that you know their comparison to the

0:21:35Simpsons takes months to produce an

0:21:36episode it's like well yes but this the

0:21:40Simpsons

0:21:41even if they're using computers to help

0:21:43the the Simpsons is not composed

0:21:46fundamentally of geometric shapes that

0:21:50you're sliding around and because of the

0:21:54way the show is animated

0:21:55they're able to do this in a way that

0:21:59you couldn't possibly do with anything

0:22:00that even looks like hand animation and

0:22:02then the other thing that I did find

0:22:04that comment really interesting where

0:22:06the lead animator says oh yeah we don't

0:22:07have separate storyboarding and

0:22:09character design teams everybody just

0:22:12does everything

0:22:13and I have having had some peripheral

0:22:16experience with various teams of various

0:22:18sizes you know producing things for

0:22:19YouTube there there really is an

0:22:24interesting trade-off in size and scope

0:22:30that when you do have smaller teams of

0:22:35generalists if you are also able to

0:22:38limit your scope in the way that South

0:22:41Park does with what they're trying to do

0:22:42in animation their animation is quite

0:22:44limited it's like you can work very

0:22:46quickly with a bunch of generalists and

0:22:51then on the other end of that spectrum

0:22:52you have larger production houses you

0:22:55know what I would imagine like some

0:22:57place like Pixar where you might have

0:22:59three people who their whole specialist

0:23:01job is what does hair look like when

0:23:03it's wet you know how do you animate

0:23:05that and it's like well then then you

0:23:07can produce something that is incredibly

0:23:09beautiful that you know a team like the

0:23:12South Park team could never ever produce

0:23:14but it's also going to take 20 million

0:23:17man-hours to to bring into the world and

0:23:22again I just think like the South Park

0:23:24guys are so interesting because they've

0:23:27clearly chosen to be optimized on a

0:23:31particular end of that spectrum like

0:23:34they've chosen to keep that animation

0:23:36style the way it is so that they can

0:23:39keep themselves under constant deadlines

0:23:41so that they produce these shows that

0:23:45are relevant to the world around them as

0:23:48opposed to all other all other kinds of

0:23:49TV but you know I have seen and it's

0:23:52very easy for people to do where you

0:23:54want to expand the scope of what is

0:23:56possible and and then you have to keep

0:23:58adding like what but how long does it

0:24:00take and and that's the thing that they

0:24:02they've clearly designed everything to

0:24:05to stay nice and short and in fact

0:24:08there's a little part where they talk

0:24:10about as well about how they've

0:24:11shortened the process over time

0:24:13unlike kind of accidentally though right

0:24:15yeah yeah it was interesting that they

0:24:17returned with the the production of the

0:24:18technology that they're like oh we used

0:24:20to use these incredibly expensive

0:24:21$30,000 machines

0:24:23and now it's just an office full of IMAX

0:24:27that the machines have gotten fast

0:24:29enough and the animation style has

0:24:31remained simple enough that that it's

0:24:34it's pulled down the amount of time even

0:24:38further and further that they need to

0:24:39produce one of those shows in terms of

0:24:41the animation and yeah it is it is crazy

0:24:43to think that the last 24 hours is when

0:24:45the vast majority of the animation

0:24:47actually occurs like it's it's just

0:24:49insanity

0:24:50so obviously me and you are very used to

0:24:54collaborate in all creative endeavors we

0:24:57work with people to have an output and

0:25:00that's what's happening with Trey Parker

0:25:02and Matt Stone they're collaborating and

0:25:04there's a moment where they sit down

0:25:07with Matt stone and do kind of a

0:25:09one-on-one because looking at the show

0:25:11you know he's obviously important but

0:25:13doesn't seem to have as many roles in

0:25:15the production right purely because of

0:25:17the fact that Parker is writing it and

0:25:20directing the show he does both and

0:25:22Parker is also the louder personality

0:25:24yes so host on camera like Parker takes

0:25:27up space on the screen right just just

0:25:30with his physical presence drawers he

0:25:32draws everything towards him mm-hmm and

0:25:34they're you know he's kind of met sounds

0:25:36kind of talking about the fact that they

0:25:37the way that they work together and they

0:25:39understand each other and they know

0:25:41which one is in control in that moment

0:25:44and that that has enabled them to

0:25:46continue to work it's understanding the

0:25:48way that each other works I'm just

0:25:50playing into that has allowed for their

0:25:52collaboration to last for 20 years

0:25:54now I thought that little moment where

0:25:57they talked to each of them about you

0:25:59know the roles they play and how the

0:26:00other fits into this this production I

0:26:03thought that was really interesting

0:26:04because I've always thought that there's

0:26:06this there's this very important meta

0:26:10skill which is knowing yourself like and

0:26:13recognizing what you're good at and what

0:26:14you're not good at that can be developed

0:26:17and even just in that little section I

0:26:20thought like man these are two guys who

0:26:21know really well where their strengths

0:26:25are and where their own weaknesses are

0:26:26and and how they work together with each

0:26:28other and you know it's like it's really

0:26:33interesting because Matt stone in

0:26:34particular is talking about a thing

0:26:36that's really hard to talk about on

0:26:38on camera where he's saying how Oh when

0:26:41South Park was becoming popular he was

0:26:43getting offered all these direct oral

0:26:45jobs yes and he turns them down and he

0:26:49turned it's like he turns them down

0:26:51because he knows that that is not his

0:26:53skill set

0:26:55even though to the outsiders it seems

0:26:57like oh the two of them are making South

0:26:59Park together and they must be dividing

0:27:00these things up equally and he

0:27:03recognizes like he might be able to make

0:27:05a few movies but ultimately it's not

0:27:07it's not where he's strong and it just

0:27:10it wouldn't really go anywhere I thought

0:27:11like man that is just that is like such

0:27:15an underappreciated skill in a person to

0:27:18recognize that what many people would

0:27:22think of is like oh this is an amazing

0:27:24opportunity is actually a mistake that

0:27:27that wouldn't be the thing to do and

0:27:30that his time and energy are better

0:27:32spent working with Trey on South Park

0:27:36you know and it's really interesting

0:27:37then they then they go talk to Trey like

0:27:39and there's these situations where like

0:27:41Trey is the louder personality but he's

0:27:44not not confrontational in situations

0:27:46where maybe he would need to be

0:27:48confrontational like and then that's

0:27:49where Matt stone steps up and you know I

0:27:52just like how they both talk about this

0:27:54this metaphor of like being the members

0:27:56of the band and it's like yeah there's

0:27:58there may be one person who looks like

0:27:59they're more the lead person in the band

0:28:03but the band is still the members like

0:28:06you know one person can be the band the

0:28:08band is the two of them I just thought

0:28:11that I thought that was really

0:28:12interesting and you could just see like

0:28:14these are guys who work together a lot

0:28:17and and really know where their

0:28:20strengths lie whilst also remaining

0:28:22friends like that cuz one of my favorite

0:28:24examples of this is the Mythbusters are

0:28:27you familiar with the story there no I'm

0:28:30but I'm not sure what you're talking

0:28:32about here so they especially Adam

0:28:35Savage it gives more interviews than

0:28:37this because he's more of a like a

0:28:38public person he is someone who has

0:28:40remained kind of in the spotlight since

0:28:42Mythbusters ended and he said this is

0:28:45fact they're not friends they seem to

0:28:48not particularly like each other very

0:28:49much one of the quote

0:28:52step adam savage mentions a lot is that

0:28:54they have never eaten a meal alone hmm

0:28:57and they worked together for 10-15 years

0:29:00something like that

0:29:01Mythbusters was on the air for a long

0:29:03time yeah and but before that Adam

0:29:05Savage worked for Jamie like that's how

0:29:07it started

0:29:08like who's an employee his prop shop and

0:29:12their part they just they can work

0:29:14together incredibly well they know what

0:29:16the other one is thinking they can have

0:29:19a kind of like a language between the

0:29:21two of them apparently they argued and

0:29:23debated about every single point but

0:29:25always at the end one of them knew that

0:29:27the other was right and that was the way

0:29:28that they work together and it's so

0:29:30interesting to me because I can't

0:29:31imagine that environment like I only

0:29:34work with people I consider friends I

0:29:37couldn't imagine being in that way but

0:29:41what's going on is the same thing right

0:29:43like they just know how the other one

0:29:45works so like whether they're friends

0:29:47like it doesn't matter because what you

0:29:48actually need to know is to understand

0:29:49yourself understand the other person and

0:29:52their needs and then you can work

0:29:53together over a long period of time that

0:29:56I think people assume that you should

0:29:57have to be friends with someone but I

0:29:59think that they are a good example of

0:30:02why you actually don't need to be you

0:30:05just have to have the fundamentals of

0:30:06what you'd consider a friendship but

0:30:08they don't actually have to result in

0:30:10being friends which I just find that

0:30:12comparing to these two is very

0:30:14interesting is that they it's all there

0:30:16it's the same thing as then they know

0:30:17the strengths and weaknesses and they

0:30:19play to that they don't overstep and

0:30:21they work within their boundaries it's

0:30:23the same thing I didn't know that about

0:30:25Mythbusters and I'm I'm willing to bet

0:30:28that that I know like I don't want to

0:30:31say it annoys but I bet I bet that's a

0:30:32thing that bothers a lot of people I

0:30:34think it does yeah when when you're

0:30:36watching a show is like you want to

0:30:39think that they're friends and that

0:30:42they're hanging out

0:30:43when I first found that out I was really

0:30:46bummed out about it cuz I love yo I love

0:30:49the show and they seem to work so great

0:30:50together and I just assumed that they

0:30:52were the best of friends so when you

0:30:54hear that you're like oh no like they're

0:30:56my buddies yeah I get I guess part of

0:31:00this is also I think that people might

0:31:02have a hard time a hard time

0:31:05understanding that kind of professional

0:31:06relationship or it's like are they

0:31:08friends they but they don't have to be

0:31:09friends but it doesn't mean that they

0:31:12hate each other right like they're just

0:31:14they're there they work together they

0:31:16know how to work with each other but

0:31:18that's that's interesting I could that's

0:31:20interesting you hear that that's your

0:31:21reaction because that's what I would

0:31:22think most people would feel that way

0:31:24where they're like oh I want to imagine

0:31:26that everybody's friends that like they

0:31:27and the whole crew sit down and have

0:31:29birthday cakes together at the end of

0:31:31each shoot I was like it but things

0:31:33don't need to work that way especially

0:31:34like in Hollywood right people don't

0:31:37need to be friends they just need to be

0:31:39able to work together but it is or at

0:31:43least it comes across in this

0:31:44documentary that that Trey Parker and

0:31:45Matt Stone are clearly friends and also

0:31:52you know thinking thinking of things

0:31:55structurally it certainly seems like

0:31:58South Park is able to be what South Park

0:32:01is because Trey Parker and Matt Stone

0:32:04are great friends and it seems like they

0:32:08might not have a lot of friends in the

0:32:10wider Hollywood world they reference

0:32:13that yeah it's you know when people say

0:32:17something like that in documentary I do

0:32:18always wonder like how much do you

0:32:20really mean it

0:32:20but I can really believe it from these

0:32:23two for everything that they have done

0:32:26over the course of their careers but

0:32:29it's like there's a there's an

0:32:30interesting moment here because it

0:32:31getting like South South Park will

0:32:34really make fun of celebrities and

0:32:37people in the public eye and in a way

0:32:39that very few other shows will go like

0:32:42as hard into it as South Park will but I

0:32:46do think like it that doesn't just

0:32:48happen it happens structurally because

0:32:51of the personality of these two and

0:32:53because they don't really have any

0:32:55connections

0:32:57with the wider Hollywood world that goes

0:32:59so far as to reject it but the thing

0:33:01that like really highlights that in the

0:33:03documentary is that one of the writers

0:33:05in the writers room works on Saturday

0:33:07Night Live and explicitly says how oh

0:33:10I'm sorry Night Live the the politics of

0:33:13making fun of public people comes into

0:33:16the writing of their skits and it's like

0:33:20yeah like I can see that and I would

0:33:22think like that's also probably one of

0:33:23the reasons why at least to my tastes

0:33:25South Park is way funnier than Saturday

0:33:28Night Live and it's because Saturday

0:33:30Night Live is structurally constrained

0:33:33by the kinds of jokes they can make

0:33:35because if they're making jokes about

0:33:37public figures they can bet they're not

0:33:39going to get that public figure to host

0:33:41the show or if they're making jokes

0:33:44about the public figure they have to be

0:33:45within a certain bounds they can't go

0:33:47too far in one direction or another but

0:33:51it just it hadn't really occurred to me

0:33:54until seeing that but it's like oh right

0:33:56that makes total sense that that this is

0:34:00structurally why the show is able to do

0:34:02this and other comedies play it much

0:34:04more safe when it comes to referencing

0:34:07specific people in the real world but

0:34:10South Park doesn't care because Matt and

0:34:12Trey have nothing to lose it's like

0:34:14they're not losing their friends they

0:34:15don't have any friends in that world you

0:34:18know they clearly thumbed their nose at

0:34:21that world like they did at the was the

0:34:23Oscars was that the party that they

0:34:26showed the dresses it's interesting on

0:34:29acid

0:34:30it's funny I remember seeing that when

0:34:34it happened and I was much younger and

0:34:36just thought like oh those kinds of just

0:34:37in dresses but watching the clip now as

0:34:39an adult

0:34:40particularly Trey Parker there's a

0:34:42moment it's like dude you are so clearly

0:34:44I and on drugs like I cannot believe

0:34:47you're just showing up to the Oscars

0:34:49like this but yeah that's that's how you

0:34:51don't make any friends in the

0:34:53professional world but yeah so I is very

0:34:56interesting to watch seeing that whole

0:34:59process seeing how long it takes to come

0:35:01up with the ideas just as someone who's

0:35:04watched the show it's also very

0:35:07interesting to watch the the writer

0:35:09process where

0:35:11you can see them start to play with the

0:35:13ideas and and they start to do the

0:35:16voices and you can see then like come

0:35:18together with the puzzle pieces of of

0:35:21what the show should be like I have to

0:35:23say it was very interesting to watch

0:35:25that develop over time but towards the

0:35:29very end the thing that I just could not

0:35:31believe is that this episode was in the

0:35:35end delivered five hours before the

0:35:40broadcast time that that's that's when

0:35:43they got the final render out of the

0:35:45animation and it's like they hand a they

0:35:49had to tape to a guy who brings it to

0:35:50the the machine that's going to

0:35:52broadcast it across Comedy Central and

0:35:54it's like with a five hour five hours to

0:35:57spare it's it's unbelievable that they

0:36:00do it there's some guy in his car and

0:36:03tries to over it's that way you know

0:36:10just put it on a DVD and taking it there

0:36:11I mean the thing that is worth mention

0:36:14as well cuz I can imagine like if you're

0:36:15not seeing this documentary they're like

0:36:17how is that possible right because it's

0:36:19such a racy edgy show like how can

0:36:21Comedy Central allow it

0:36:23well it seems like that they have

0:36:24developed a system and a process where

0:36:26the executive producer will have

0:36:28multiple calls with the standards bodies

0:36:30and of Comedy Central

0:36:34all of the cuss words they're allowed to

0:36:35use how many they're allowed to use

0:36:37which ones they can replace for

0:36:38something else what they complete what

0:36:40they can't bleep and it ends up in just

0:36:43this wild these wild phone calls that

0:36:46you over here with and the the executive

0:36:48producers name is and Gary Fino and it's

0:36:51so funny to just watch her reading these

0:36:54lines in like a totally deadpan way

0:36:56she's using a boring corporate voice

0:36:59discuss the details of exactly how

0:37:01graphic they can be with their Human

0:37:03Centipede and then it's just like well

0:37:06you know happy Easter Bob right and

0:37:07click something like that right is it

0:37:12happy is it something like that yeah

0:37:14just wishes them like a great afternoon

0:37:15or it's just so strange but you can

0:37:18imagine after 20 years there is no trust

0:37:21bill up yeah right they kids they're not

0:37:24gonna

0:37:24do something so crazy that they would

0:37:26get shut down like at that point they're

0:37:28well enough no identity and I guess this

0:37:31is like another sign of collaboration

0:37:33that we don't get to see a lot of but

0:37:34like how they work with Comedy Central

0:37:36it's kind of is kind of strange so I

0:37:38have a question for you right and I

0:37:39think I know the answer to this but I

0:37:40want to ask you anyway

0:37:41could you work in this environment oh my

0:37:44god now I'm kind of you know it's again

0:37:49there's a thing there's a thing that I

0:37:52sometimes think is underappreciated in

0:37:55the world but that some people who are

0:37:58very successful it is not obvious to

0:38:03outsiders just how much of their life

0:38:08they are burning on the thing that they

0:38:10are successful with and I think this

0:38:12documentary is a is a great view into

0:38:17that of of just what these guys are

0:38:23putting into this is just inhuman and

0:38:27then when you add on top of it like

0:38:29other side projects that they do you

0:38:32know successful musicals other movies

0:38:35the video games like like all of this

0:38:37other stuff it's it's just crazy but it

0:38:42gets them such an amazing level of

0:38:46success and I know we were discussing

0:38:50last time about the question a little

0:38:51bit about oh just because you put in the

0:38:53hours doesn't doesn't mean you're

0:38:55successful even if someone even if a

0:38:57genie could come along and could say to

0:38:59me like oh if you put in the hours

0:39:02you could be as successful as these - is

0:39:04that something you would want to do I

0:39:05would say no because I just this is a

0:39:09place where I do know myself and I I

0:39:12don't work well under deadlines I

0:39:14couldn't possibly dedicate as much in

0:39:20human time and energy as they do into

0:39:23this so I feel like I know myself and

0:39:26that I am much happier with a much

0:39:29diminished relatively level of success

0:39:31for for not having to produce

0:39:36episodes within six days and having to

0:39:39stay up until 5:00 in the morning and

0:39:41pulling these all-nighters and eating

0:39:42sad McDonald's and all the rest of it

0:39:44it's just I couldn't I couldn't possibly

0:39:47even if it meant it came with all the

0:39:49rewards that it does would you Mike

0:39:51which you took would you take that deal

0:39:54contrary to almost everything else about

0:39:56my personality and my disposition is a

0:39:59human being

0:40:00I have always worked and thrived in

0:40:04crisis situations so especially when I

0:40:08was working at the bank if something

0:40:10went terribly wrong if there was

0:40:11something that was going wrong I could

0:40:14and always did work very well in those

0:40:16environments like everything's crumbling

0:40:18down how do you fix it

0:40:21to the point that like if a team member

0:40:23was having a crisis I would want to be

0:40:27involved in it to help because I kind of

0:40:30thrived on that pressure and the kind of

0:40:33impending disaster it's very strange

0:40:35because there is nothing else than what

0:40:37my personality which would indicate that

0:40:38I would enjoy this but I did yeah but I

0:40:41think this is a trait that some people

0:40:42just have yeah I and and I think you

0:40:44have it and you know it doesn't it

0:40:47doesn't it really doesn't gel with

0:40:48anything else about the way that I work

0:40:49because you know I could be a nervous

0:40:51person I can be a warrior like it's very

0:40:53strange that I have those two parts of

0:40:54me but there they are so I don't think I

0:40:58could work there for very long but I

0:41:01think I could do it for a not tiny

0:41:03period of time I think for a few years I

0:41:06could I could work in that environment

0:41:08and would enjoy the last 24 hours and

0:41:12that's why I would keep coming why keep

0:41:14putting it myself through it would be

0:41:16for the last 24 hours

0:41:17mm-hmm but I think I would burn out

0:41:20often maybe two or three years of it

0:41:22like I don't think I could do it for

0:41:23long but I think it's something that I

0:41:25could enjoy not that I ever want to work

0:41:27in an environment like that necessarily

0:41:30I'm not gonna seek it out but if I was

0:41:32in it I think I would enjoy it but you

0:41:34don't think you could do it for 20 plus

0:41:36years

0:41:36most definitely not I it's wild people

0:41:41doing anything for that period of time

0:41:43the same thing is astounding to me you

0:41:46know I used to work with people that

0:41:47have been in the same jobs in the same

0:41:49places for 30 years

0:41:50and I think it's an unbelievable thing

0:41:52cuz I couldn't do that like I wouldn't

0:41:55be able to stay just doing the same

0:41:57thing and I find it astounding that they

0:42:00have kept the same roles that they've

0:42:01had for 20 years and like basically

0:42:03uninterrupted that is a commitment that

0:42:07I don't think I could have to something

0:42:09like that I agree with you there I agree

0:42:12with you there but I've got to say Mike

0:42:14I'm glad you mentioned this a while back

0:42:16as a thing that we should watch I feel

0:42:18like I'm really happy that I saw it

0:42:19mm-hmm

0:42:20I hope for the people who did watch it

0:42:21that they found it interesting even if

0:42:24you're not necessarily a fan of South

0:42:26Park and I would I would be curious if

0:42:29the listeners out there do know of any

0:42:33other documentaries in this kind of

0:42:35genre of following people at work or

0:42:40people who work on interesting things I

0:42:41would love to hear some recommendation

0:42:43yeah because I just I can't think of

0:42:46anything else that's like this off the

0:42:49top of my head and I'd be very curious

0:42:50to see some more we could just do a

0:42:52rewatch of the office looking for

0:43:01something that's real wait I have bad

0:43:06news for you my British office is not

0:43:07real they're very different things yeah

0:43:12the American office is more my style of

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0:45:51another little little update for the

0:45:54year of order order no no Mike it's just

0:45:57that don't say it like that so I said it

0:46:04in a totally normal way which is the

0:46:06year of order right that's that's the we

0:46:08have a little update for that so my my

0:46:13home office at this

0:46:15moment is empty everything needs to be

0:46:18redone

0:46:19there's packages that have been

0:46:20delivered to my glass cube all of that

0:46:23is underway I want to get that stuff

0:46:25finished are you up to three desks and

0:46:28the cube now or we still did two there's

0:46:31the two desks

0:46:32why do you man

0:46:36I just make a silly joke but it ends up

0:46:41turning into like there's actually

0:46:42something really going on yeah well do

0:46:48really me already

0:46:49now there's two desks in the glass cube

0:46:51and I I think that they are going to end

0:46:55up being two desks in the Home Office

0:46:57but I need to I need to settle on that a

0:47:00little bit more but more that happens we

0:47:05spent so much time talking about like

0:47:07the specifics of the one purpose of the

0:47:12Home Office if it has two desks there's

0:47:16two purposes no we can't get into this

0:47:20now Mike we can't I refused to be

0:47:23derailed on this because I still I still

0:47:25have thoughts okay and and you cut me

0:47:29off last time anyway with with

0:47:31discussing the Home Office glass cube

0:47:34situation I had so much important to

0:47:36talk about what we have to bring that so

0:47:37I I wondered if you notice ya know I'm

0:47:46no fool I know exactly what you were

0:47:48doing there was there was much more to

0:47:49be discussed you have touched upon it

0:47:51now but you know what I'm refusing to

0:47:53talk about it I'm gonna I'm gonna let it

0:47:55percolate I tried to write you out of

0:47:57that right that was that being the

0:47:59director so very subtle very subtle

0:48:03thing Mike I didn't notice at all so

0:48:05anyway we're just gonna skip that we're

0:48:07just gonna Sherman

0:48:09yeah so I don't I don't have a long

0:48:11topic on the year of order but I did I

0:48:13did just want to mention something

0:48:15because I know something people are

0:48:16interested in which is my eventual

0:48:22return to full-on use of task managers

0:48:26this year

0:48:28this is a thing that's going to happen

0:48:30at some point but I did just want to to

0:48:33mention that I have been using things a

0:48:40lot this year so this is things three is

0:48:43the name as always with TAS managers and

0:48:45timers you have to have these names that

0:48:46are very difficult to talk about and

0:48:48things is one of those it isn't as bad

0:48:49as do you though a do is do is the worst

0:48:53to do is close oh I saw another one I

0:48:58saw another one there's something well

0:49:00it was called like do but it was like do

0:49:01oh I was like all your dooms you do a

0:49:03start task manager one of my favorite

0:49:06studies Ted you seen that right I don't

0:49:09think I don't think I've seen that one

0:49:10no te ux de UX oh yes I have seen that

0:49:16you said yeah it's not yes but it's the

0:49:21problem is there's so many task managers

0:49:22right if you're trying to come up with a

0:49:23name you're limited for things but it's

0:49:27they all end up being relatively

0:49:29ambiguous but hmm I did just want to

0:49:31mention things because I've been using

0:49:35it just just a little bit sort of very

0:49:38informally to keep a record of some of

0:49:40the projects that I have active but I

0:49:43wouldn't say that I'm like I'm all in on

0:49:45using it as a task manager I've just

0:49:46been using it as kind of like a

0:49:47placeholder like where do I write down

0:49:49the things that I'm currently working on

0:49:51but I have to say I just I'm really

0:49:54impressed by it as a task manager I

0:49:57think the the things three redesign like

0:50:00for a long time I didn't touch things to

0:50:03because it seemed like it was not

0:50:04actively under development it hadn't

0:50:07been updated in a really long time but

0:50:08things three is just a really really

0:50:10great update and I know on the show

0:50:14previously I have said that my sort of

0:50:16default task manager recommendation if I

0:50:18don't know anything about a person is to

0:50:21just use clear and said let go just just

0:50:23run with clear but since I know they

0:50:26have a new one in development but it

0:50:27isn't available yet but right now I

0:50:30think I would have to switch that to

0:50:32things as if you want to get started

0:50:36with the task manager and you don't know

0:50:38where to begin

0:50:39I really have to recommend things 3 as

0:50:41the

0:50:42to start it's just it's very simple it's

0:50:46very beautiful and it has a couple of

0:50:49really clever features in it that are

0:50:53things that I originally thought like oh

0:50:54I don't know about this but I have have

0:50:57come to love and wish that other task

0:50:59managers do like this there's the one

0:51:02thing that is just so simple but when

0:51:04you're laying out a project things gives

0:51:06you this option to create little

0:51:09subheadings and those subheadings aren't

0:51:12tasks they're not anything they're just

0:51:15a way that you can group something into

0:51:18different areas and say like oh all of

0:51:19these tasks go under this heading and

0:51:22all of these tasks you under this

0:51:23heading and it's it's so nice and

0:51:26freeing to have a visual distinction

0:51:31between things that doesn't also have a

0:51:33meaning right like these things are not

0:51:35sub projects or anything like that it's

0:51:38just

0:51:38oh here's here's some visual separation

0:51:40between these different tasks what does

0:51:42this visual separation mean nothing it

0:51:44means nothing at all and they have a

0:51:46very simple way to specify tasks that

0:51:49you should be doing today which a lot of

0:51:51task managers have but everybody have an

0:51:53additional nice feature which is you can

0:51:55specify oh this task is for this evening

0:51:59and it just moves it down to the bottom

0:52:02of the list just a lot of really really

0:52:04nice touches and have to say I'm very

0:52:06impressed with it and I like it a lot as

0:52:08a simple task manager that isn't

0:52:12completely stripped back I don't know

0:52:16have you played with it at all Mike or

0:52:18are you totally unfamiliar with things

0:52:20no enough of my friends have been

0:52:22gushing over it that I decided to give

0:52:26it a try

0:52:27I know titi likes it a lot were talking

0:52:29about things yes and that's why I

0:52:31decided to give it a go just because of

0:52:33how much she's been enjoying it and I

0:52:35know that Steven tried it and he liked

0:52:37it but it ultimately didn't work for him

0:52:39and I've played around a bit very little

0:52:42but I know it's not the right app for me

0:52:45just for a couple of reasons the main

0:52:49one being the way in which you select

0:52:52dates and alerts is so cumbersome

0:52:55it's it feels very clunky to me after

0:52:58having used to doest loop for so long

0:53:01because todoist

0:53:02it's all natural language and once you

0:53:07get used to typing in take-out-the-trash

0:53:09at 4 p.m. pound sign personal and then

0:53:13what that does is takes the task puts a

0:53:15reminder in and an alert for 4 o'clock

0:53:17and it puts it in my personal project

0:53:19group that's wonderful and all of that

0:53:21in things you're hitting a bunch of

0:53:23buttons in here a bunch of dropdowns and

0:53:25they're repeating tasks UI is not good

0:53:29yeah I loved the design and some of the

0:53:34thoughts behind it I mean it is a

0:53:36beautiful iPhone app in which to duyst

0:53:39is kind of like just a decent-looking

0:53:41cross-platform application right like

0:53:43that's how even decent there I'm I feel

0:53:46like that's it's fine right like it's

0:53:49not offensive because it's so plain I'm

0:53:51not saying it's offensive but it's not

0:53:53great it's not great but ultimately what

0:53:55I'm looking for my task manager is the

0:53:58functionality either I want as opposed

0:54:00to do with the design and whilst things

0:54:03design is wonderful they're missing a

0:54:06bunch of things I mean and also like

0:54:08whilst I don't use a ton ton of it like

0:54:10having the Web API stuff is important to

0:54:12me now because I like to have things go

0:54:14in on their own and just as an option

0:54:16for the future I don't really show that

0:54:18sort of stuff off but I've tried things

0:54:19I don't know if it would be my

0:54:21recommendation for people but I but I

0:54:24can see why it would be somebody's if

0:54:27that makes sense like what's not what I

0:54:28would give I would still recommend

0:54:29todoist especially because to-do list

0:54:32you can try for free I don't even think

0:54:34things has a subscription plan and it is

0:54:37a in the world of applications a

0:54:39relatively expensive application and you

0:54:42have to buy it on all platforms

0:54:43individually but it is beautiful and if

0:54:48you are if you really care about design

0:54:50in your applications like you really

0:54:51really care then this is probably the

0:54:53one you should try I agree that I would

0:54:57have a hard time if I had to use that as

0:55:00my main and only task manager forever

0:55:03that the limitations I would find really

0:55:05frustrating but there's two things here

0:55:07I find I always find it an inch

0:55:09a thought experiment about if you had to

0:55:12make a recommendation and you didn't

0:55:14know anything about the person like what

0:55:16would you recommend if you knew someone

0:55:19was going to buy Mac but you didn't know

0:55:21anything about them like what would you

0:55:23recommend is the default knife I guess

0:55:24this is an interesting thought

0:55:25experiment and I feel like things is my

0:55:28task manager' recommendation if I didn't

0:55:30know anything about the person what

0:55:32would I do what would do that but also I

0:55:34just want to recommend it because I have

0:55:36really enjoyed it because I think that

0:55:39there are times when the limitations are

0:55:41helpful it's the very fact that things

0:55:44is lacking some of the more complicated

0:55:47features that has while I'm still

0:55:49feeling out the edges of what does the

0:55:52year of order mean it's forcing me to be

0:55:56more limited in what I'm actually

0:55:59keeping track of right now and it's the

0:56:01same reason why if someone has no

0:56:03experience with task managers whatsoever

0:56:05I always recommend someone just starts

0:56:07with paper like just get a notebook and

0:56:09paper and write things down because you

0:56:12don't even know where you want to begin

0:56:13and like force yourself with the

0:56:15simplicity of that before we move on

0:56:17from this topic do you have any thoughts

0:56:20about OmniFocus 3 like the upcoming

0:56:23announcements and stuff of OmniFocus 3

0:56:25yeah well well this is this is one of

0:56:28the questions right if I can't stick

0:56:30with things for forever where am I gonna

0:56:33go and then and we see on the horizon

0:56:35there how many focus and the thing I

0:56:39love about OmniFocus they're their

0:56:40strongest suit as always is hiding from

0:56:44you the things that you can do nothing

0:56:47about right now that to me is such a

0:56:49killer feature it's why I always I

0:56:52always come back to OmniFocus and I'm

0:56:55always happy when they publish their

0:56:57roadmap at the beginning of the year

0:56:59because of course I'm intensely

0:57:01interested in what they're doing and

0:57:02especially having been away from task

0:57:05managers for so long I feel like I'm

0:57:07coming back to it with different eyes

0:57:09one of the things I'm really really glad

0:57:12to see that OmniFocus is doing they are

0:57:15finally getting rid of the concept of

0:57:19contexts and replacing them

0:57:22with tags I feel like that is there is a

0:57:24huge improvement so that you can have a

0:57:27task and you can put an arbitrary number

0:57:29of tags associated with it rather than

0:57:33having to pick a single context which

0:57:36they discuss on their blog post that

0:57:38this is this is a thing that as time has

0:57:41gone on that people who are unfamiliar

0:57:43with getting things done have a hard

0:57:45time understanding like this concept of

0:57:47what is a context supposed to be and

0:57:49I've always argued that I think in as

0:57:52time has gone on one of the ways that

0:57:54getting things done has not held up is

0:57:57this idea that your work is so clearly

0:58:01defined by the physical world and like

0:58:03that just and that was what context grow

0:58:05out of is this idea of these physical

0:58:07constraints it's like we just kind of

0:58:09don't live in that world anymore I think

0:58:12this doesn't make sense for most people

0:58:14the way it used to so I got to say I am

0:58:16really really glad that they're bringing

0:58:18in tags and they're ditching contexts

0:58:21I'm super happy about that there's a

0:58:24bunch of other great features I like it

0:58:25it looks like they're improving

0:58:26notifications they're changing around

0:58:28the design which I think can be improved

0:58:31they're working on automation of course

0:58:33I always love automation there is one

0:58:35question though that I have from reading

0:58:38this blog post I was reading a section

0:58:40real close as I can't quite figure out

0:58:43what do you mean by this omni group and

0:58:46it is their section on how dates are

0:58:51managed with OmniFocus because I love

0:58:54OmniFocus but the one thing that really

0:58:57kills me sometimes is the way that at

0:59:00least currently they handled dates where

0:59:03there's this strange thing where if you

0:59:05have a task and you assign a due date to

0:59:08it it remembers what time zone you're in

0:59:12when you assign that due date but

0:59:15there's no way to modify or change that

0:59:17time zone and I think had I been using

0:59:22OmniFocus over the previous year with

0:59:24the amount of travel that I have have

0:59:26been doing that would have driven me

0:59:28crazy because I was just constantly in

0:59:31different time zones or working with

0:59:33different things I'd like to have

0:59:35that have this invisible time zone

0:59:37associated with them would be madness

0:59:40and my whole system revolves around the

0:59:43idea of gray master time that almost

0:59:47every single one of my tasks is due or

0:59:52needs to be done relative to me and my

0:59:56time not relative to like what is the

0:59:56time not relative to like what is the

1:00:00time in California right now or what is

1:00:01the time in New York and this is one of

1:00:03the reasons that I love and used to do

1:00:05list because if you do this when you

1:00:07arrive in a new place it asks you do you

1:00:09want to change to this your task to this

1:00:11time zone and if you say yes if you add

1:00:14a task it was going off at 12 o'clock in

1:00:16London it will go off at 12 o'clock in

1:00:18New York right like just full it just

1:00:21changes all of your task times for you

1:00:23to do it is great because it asks the

1:00:26vast majority of task manager systems

1:00:29don't even ask they just assume that the

1:00:33time is relative to wherever you are so

1:00:36like if you said if you set a reminder

1:00:38and Apple say like go remind me about a

1:00:39thing at 2:00 p.m. and you get on a

1:00:41flight and change time zones in the mean

1:00:43time it'll remind you at 2:00 p.m.

1:00:44wherever you landed and it's same thing

1:00:47with things

1:00:47same thing with almost every single task

1:00:49manager I've ever used it's just

1:00:50OmniFocus has this one this like weird

1:00:53feature and they they do discuss in

1:00:55their article talking about how the

1:00:56dates are going to change that

1:00:58currently there are five different times

1:01:00that are tracked with each task but the

1:01:04user only has access to two of them and

1:01:05I'm wondering like what the heck are

1:01:07those other two I don't understand but

1:01:10so anyway I am deeply deeply hoping that

1:01:14this is addressed that OmniFocus that

1:01:18you can set a task to be a floating task

1:01:21that it does not have a time zone again

1:01:24not not least because I'm still looking

1:01:26at this year where there's going to be a

1:01:27lot of travel ahead and if if this

1:01:33hasn't been addressed I'm going to need

1:01:35to figure out what is it that I'm going

1:01:38to do with my task management system but

1:01:41if it has been addressed and I feel like

1:01:43almost almost certainly a couple months

1:01:45from now I'll be telling you about like

1:01:47oh this this system that I've set up in

1:01:48OmniFocus but in general though

1:01:51OmniFocus like it looks really great the

1:01:53roadmap and the things that they're

1:01:55doing I hope to god that they fix the

1:01:57time zone thing they're doing a really

1:01:59interesting idea with collaborations I'm

1:02:01just I'm very curious to see where it

1:02:04goes and I think it's I think it's just

1:02:05a great piece of software although I

1:02:08think also a custom icon wouldn't go

1:02:09astray

1:02:10yeah custom icons huh how are those

1:02:13working for you well you know Mike I

1:02:16think the thing is a custom icon you

1:02:18need custom icons all apps should offer

1:02:21custom icon colors because when you're

1:02:25trying to arrange a home screen colors

1:02:27are very important can't have too many

1:02:29of the same colors near each other or if

1:02:31their color is that you don't like you

1:02:32don't want them on your home screen so

1:02:34custom icons very important for home

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1:05:30year we do this and I want to see if the

1:05:35iPhone 10 has changed things for you I

1:05:37will mention that the the wallpaper the

1:05:41core-tex wallpaper that the wonderful

1:05:44designer forgotten tale put together for

1:05:46us was painstakingly updated for the

1:05:49iPhone 10 like I was helping him out

1:05:54with it and we were trying to get it to

1:05:56just work just right it has been

1:05:58painstakingly updated so it aligns

1:06:00properly so you know I know a lot of

1:06:03people like that wallpaper and it's

1:06:05still available and there is now a true

1:06:07black version ooh nice on the OLED

1:06:10screens it is black it's not blue or

1:06:13gray anymore so that's the thing that is

1:06:16available there are a couple of options

1:06:17and that's still available for free and

1:06:20I'll put a link in our show notes if you

1:06:22want to grab that but it has been

1:06:23updated so if you have an iPhone 10 then

1:06:26you may want to you may want to check it

1:06:28out so okay let's exchange home screens

1:06:31here okay Mike I've sent you I've shown

1:06:33you my home screen it's time for you to

1:06:34show me yours oh you've done a whole bit

1:06:36thing again oh my gosh I haven't done a

1:06:40whole big thing I have not done the

1:06:42whole big thing again and what you have

1:06:44just sent me you have no right to talk

1:06:46about ugly yeah I don't know no no I'm

1:06:53like I feel like we're starting all over

1:06:55again this is like the first time we

1:06:57exchanged home screens my home screen

1:07:00looks like how people's home screens

1:07:02look it's a wallpaper and there's a

1:07:05bunch of apps yours is like oh here's a

1:07:08grid of 12 smack bang in the middle of

1:07:11the phone yeah your home screen looks

1:07:13like people's home screens look like

1:07:14which is what garbage looks like and

1:07:16it's not the comparison you're like oh

1:07:18my screen looks like most people's

1:07:19because I always peer over everybody's

1:07:22shoulders to see what their home screens

1:07:23look like and most people's home screens

1:07:25make me want to vomit and this is this

1:07:31very busy mic this is a real real busy

1:07:33screen just a full screen it's it's very

1:07:36it's very colorful so yeah this is a

1:07:40special members-only really I found

1:07:43wallpaper that I have so if you want to

1:07:46get that wallpaper you have to be a real

1:07:48AFN member we have a whole pack of

1:07:49wallpapers and this is one from the

1:07:51remaster podcast that I do and I love it

1:07:53very much it's nice and bright I spent a

1:07:56long time trying to get it aligned it's

1:07:57not perfect but it's as close as I can

1:07:59make it happen yeah I think I like the

1:08:03remaster artwork retro video game fan

1:08:07globe it's sort of Trani and also Epcot

1:08:11Center II it's the remaster artwork one

1:08:14of the best artworks on the whole of the

1:08:16relay Network I don't like that you've

1:08:19just zoomed in on the central part so

1:08:23that it's it's just this is how gross is

1:08:26horrible look this is just a wallpaper

1:08:29you you know you've chosen this and it's

1:08:35I'm not a fan not a fan at all I think

1:08:37it's it's really ugly I never expected

1:08:40you to be a fan but I think that you are

1:08:42working with some grotesquerie right now

1:08:44with this situation you've got going on

1:08:46why is everything in the middle okay

1:08:50can can I wait before before we get that

1:08:52can I can we just we need to focus on

1:08:54you from huh okay it's ugly

1:08:58we can just get past that make sure um I

1:09:02mean I mean look at Mike it's like

1:09:04you're trying to pick all of the colors

1:09:06in the world because you've also gone

1:09:07with a custom P calc icon which has the

1:09:09rainbows around it yeah you've chosen

1:09:11icons to make more colors all over the

1:09:14place oh my color again it's clown vomit

1:09:19the only one you've actually gone the

1:09:20other way with is the bear icon you've

1:09:22chosen the the black black and white

1:09:24bear you don't choose the argument I

1:09:27choose the theme Michael I wish they

1:09:29would separate those two things because

1:09:32right there developers if you're

1:09:34listening that the fact that you have to

1:09:36choose your theme and your icon at the

1:09:38same time and they have to match is

1:09:39crazy I want I want a big bear icon and

1:09:43the true black theme in the inside the

1:09:46application that's one yeah I have

1:09:50definitely moved back towards all color

1:09:52again I'm in an old color season for

1:09:55whatever reason it's the reason for the

1:09:57colored season that's where I am right

1:09:59now I can't explain why very Wonka here

1:10:03okay it's Bru it's the season for colors

1:10:05okay why is it so full like what why

1:10:12have you just why have you felt the need

1:10:14to use them every single space a lot of

1:10:18things to think about I need access to

1:10:20stuff immediately yes there will be

1:10:22there I mean there are a couple of

1:10:24applications that I don't necessarily

1:10:26need on the home screen but then it's

1:10:27gonna throw it out of whack balance wise

1:10:29right I have like maybe one or two that

1:10:31I would move away but then yeah there's

1:10:33always a bit of balance you know so

1:10:35there are a couple in there in here that

1:10:37I probably don't need to be there but I

1:10:39look at my home screen every now and

1:10:41then and I evaluate and there is nothing

1:10:43I would take off that screen right now

1:10:45okay and we have covered many of these

1:10:49apps many times but I also feel that

1:10:51this is there's a few on here that I

1:10:56have no idea what these things are

1:10:58what is pipedrive Oh pipe drive is a

1:11:00sales management CRM tool uh-huh

1:11:04right okay yes that's my that's my big

1:11:06my big grown up adult application right

1:11:09my discussed that my corporate sales app

1:11:12right with the mandatory lowercase

1:11:14letter logo okay great yeah

1:11:16what is anchor okay so anchor is audio

1:11:21social network they respond sir and

1:11:24relay FM and I've been playing around

1:11:26with their application so okay alright

1:11:29too much but yeah there is a cool app I

1:11:32like it okay and canary

1:11:35I don't know canary canary is my home

1:11:37security system oh right okay right so

1:11:40that's that that's the home security

1:11:41camera little bus that we call him

1:11:44you're right that makes sense yeah I

1:11:46bust the criminals I'm calling Busta

1:11:48little name right he's busting busting

1:11:50criminals all day it's crime crime

1:11:51busting she's just me walking around

1:11:53though honestly like 1:30 in the morning

1:11:56fussing you tell me again I see you're

1:11:59also a cool guy who's on not one not two

1:12:01but three test flights with these apps

1:12:04you see that City Instagram want up

1:12:06there look at me now I'm super fancy no

1:12:08I know that's that's the thing it's like

1:12:09ooh you're on the histogram test why

1:12:11isn't somebody fancy I know these people

1:12:15just need my good opinions you know they

1:12:20certainly don't need your good designed

1:12:21opinions though that's that's for sure

1:12:23oh yeah okay yeah this just expansive

1:12:27disgusting just darkness with these I

1:12:30just I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't

1:12:33possibly look at this purple monstrosity

1:12:35all the folders with one application in

1:12:38them and a bunch of dots great it

1:12:44doesn't scream and his it's barely such

1:12:48a missed balance of color as well like

1:12:50the three molt like green applications

1:12:53and there will kind of spread out

1:12:54weirdly and then there's green in the

1:12:57maps icon yeah yeah I'll give you that

1:12:59the green the green is a thing that

1:13:01needs to be worked on but that is partly

1:13:03bears fault

1:13:04like I can't choose the color bear icon

1:13:06that I want which has like knock-on

1:13:07effects so yeah I agree this this screen

1:13:11is not what I want the final version of

1:13:13it to be but I think it is clearly way

1:13:15better than your

1:13:16disgusting homescreen disagree what what

1:13:18are you using filmic perfil okay well

1:13:20let me let me let me paint it let me

1:13:22paint a word picture for the people Mike

1:13:23no people no no cuz you're gonna paint

1:13:26it nicely people need to just go to AA

1:13:28showing us and open this horrific image

1:13:30that I've been put in front of my eyes

1:13:32with just this weirdo square or

1:13:35applications sitting in the middle of

1:13:37this screen it's such a waste

1:13:39such a waste yeah so rather than junk up

1:13:42my home screen and take every available

1:13:45slot like I'm some kind of app hoarder I

1:13:48have I have chosen instead to do a

1:13:52little bit of a four by four grid of

1:13:55apps on my phone I don't need all of

1:13:57those slots occupied hmm space is a

1:14:00luxury Mike and so I have luxurious

1:14:03space on my phone how are you doing this

1:14:06by the way well what you are about what

1:14:09you're asking here is I have the grid

1:14:11centered on the phone because with the

1:14:16iPhone 10 and with the OLED screen black

1:14:20backgrounds just look fantastic like the

1:14:23black levels are great it makes

1:14:25everything else pop and that's always a

1:14:27thing I've really liked about the

1:14:28backgrounds that I choose is trying to

1:14:30pick backgrounds that highlight the

1:14:33applications that don't detract and I

1:14:36don't know if I'm going to stick with it

1:14:38indefinitely but I have been enjoying

1:14:41the pure black background as a novelty

1:14:43with iPhone X and because it's pure

1:14:49black it now allows me to use that trick

1:14:53where you can put fake icons above the

1:14:58actual apps so all I did was I made a

1:15:01fake icon in workflow where it's just

1:15:05purely black color and then I added that

1:15:08to the homescreen so there's there's

1:15:09four like dummy apps with invisible

1:15:12names that are taking up the top row

1:15:15just to move the grid down so that it's

1:15:19centered on the screen if you can have

1:15:21the invisible names why do you have the

1:15:22dots there for the folders I have the

1:15:27dots there for the folders because

1:15:29I think it looks visually on like if I

1:15:33could if I could I wish I could add an

1:15:36accessibility feature on iPhone called

1:15:40your app names are dumb and I don't want

1:15:42to see them especially because they

1:15:44turned off the names of the apps in the

1:15:46dock I know if it's it drives me crazy

1:15:49like again every time I see that the app

1:15:53names I just I feel like those app name

1:15:55czar there for idiots and and it's like

1:15:56yeah anyone who uses their phone any

1:15:58amount of time knows what the icons are

1:16:01nobody is reading it and going like me

1:16:02hmm

1:16:03where did my calendar go it's so stupid

1:16:13it's so stupid and I hate it I hate it

1:16:16so much I've hated it since the dawn of

1:16:19the iPhone having the stupid words

1:16:21especially when some of them don't fit

1:16:23and they like do the little dot that is

1:16:25a problem of being with so many cool guy

1:16:27betas is that sometimes they're little

1:16:29yeah you run out of space don't squish

1:16:31is the name up you know that can be a

1:16:33real problem it is if but it really is

1:16:35it really is a real problem so while in

1:16:38theory you would think oh you hate these

1:16:41words so you wouldn't want to have

1:16:43anything below the folders the four

1:16:44folders on the top I find that I tried

1:16:47it by putting invisible names in those

1:16:49folders but then it just looks visually

1:16:51unbalanced because all of the icons have

1:16:53something below them these stupid words

1:16:57so I feel like I need something below

1:16:59the folders otherwise it just looks like

1:17:01there's too much space between the top

1:17:03row and the next row so I put the dots

1:17:05there because I find them the least

1:17:07visually intrusive and that that's why

1:17:09they're there it's just as visual

1:17:10balance but they don't have any real

1:17:12function you ever tried emoji I tried it

1:17:16once but there's a problem that I don't

1:17:19I'm not a fan of the design of the Apple

1:17:21emojis I think they look dumb and I

1:17:23found them just more distracting to have

1:17:27on the home screen there are places

1:17:29where I use emojis actually do use

1:17:31emojis a lot in my time tracking system

1:17:32with toggle so that I can

1:17:35like visually identify stuff faster than

1:17:37reading but it works there but I don't

1:17:40like them on the home screen I just

1:17:41don't like the look of them there -

1:17:43there - 3d for my liking and so that's

1:17:46that's why I don't have them there even

1:17:48even though I think that it would kind

1:17:50of make more sense to have an emoji that

1:17:52represents what each of these folders

1:17:53are but rather instead I'm trying to

1:17:56pick the one icon that you see in the

1:17:59folder to be representative of what that

1:18:01folder is that that's kind of how I'm

1:18:03labeling these folders but yeah so I

1:18:06have the the top four folders which are

1:18:09there simply to act as categories to

1:18:11sort all of the apps that I don't want

1:18:14on my home screen into and so those

1:18:18categories are the first one has the

1:18:20Settings app in there and that is the

1:18:22miscellaneous category everything that

1:18:25doesn't fit anywhere else just goes in

1:18:26there the next one over has caret

1:18:29weather and that contains all of the

1:18:32apps that are I don't know a good way to

1:18:35describe this but in my head I think of

1:18:36them as location-based so they have

1:18:41something to do with where I currently

1:18:43am so these are like flight tracking

1:18:46apps or ride-sharing apps or I put the

1:18:49wallet app in there or if a conference

1:18:51I'm going to has an app like I put that

1:18:53app in there or food delivery services

1:18:56or train ticket apps like all of that

1:19:00kind of stuff is sort of location-based

1:19:01do you ever do like a time-sensitive

1:19:04promotion of an application to the front

1:19:06page at the folder one of the reasons I

1:19:08like to have space is so that I can have

1:19:12that bottom row available to put stuff

1:19:15down and normally when I'm traveling

1:19:18there'll be two apps that will go in

1:19:21that bottom row and it's mainly on the

1:19:24main screen on the main screen yeah

1:19:25it'll usually usually be the flight

1:19:28tracker and I'm still using flight log

1:19:30or as my main one for that okay I'll

1:19:32need a recommendation I did give up in

1:19:34the air a try it's interesting but I'm

1:19:36still sticking with flight logger as my

1:19:38main one it's pretty heavy-handed but I

1:19:40do like it

1:19:41it is also definitely better than it

1:19:43used to be like if I had to use it I

1:19:45wouldn't be upset but I'll put flight

1:19:48logger

1:19:49that bottom row and then the other thing

1:19:51I'll put in the bottom row which I sort

1:19:54of silly but I'll put the wallet app

1:19:55down there because like if I don't know

1:20:00I find when I'm traveling I'm always

1:20:02real panicky about how long will it take

1:20:04me to access whatever ticket I have in

1:20:06my Apple wallet for whatever it is that

1:20:07I need and so I have the wallet

1:20:10available everywhere like I have it in

1:20:12the in the control center and then I'll

1:20:14put it on the home screen and then some

1:20:17tickets but not all tickets

1:20:18frustratingly will show up as

1:20:20notifications on the lock so like I want

1:20:22every way to be able to open up that

1:20:24wallet immediately because I'm oh it's

1:20:26just like real panicking when the guy

1:20:27comes over it's like tickets please like

1:20:28I don't know what second I'm the idiot

1:20:30with my phone right yeah yeah I feel

1:20:32that like there's a there's a train line

1:20:36in London called the Docklands Light

1:20:37Railway the DLR and unlike any other of

1:20:41the tube lines or the kind of DF of rail

1:20:45lines there's no barriers for this train

1:20:49and there's no drivers for the Train

1:20:51there's no drivers but there's a

1:20:52conductor or you could come up and down

1:20:55and check the tickets because instead of

1:20:56doing the barriers where like you have

1:20:58to have the Buried presser to get

1:21:00through you kind of work on an honor

1:21:02system if I'm gonna touch my Oyster card

1:21:04or my iPhone to the to the scanner and

1:21:07I'm gonna get on the train so because

1:21:09they have that kind of honor system they

1:21:11have a conductor periodically who may

1:21:12come and check and I feel like such a

1:21:15tool when I double tap my watch and hold

1:21:18my wrist up for this person to scan my

1:21:20wrist to make sure that I touched in on

1:21:23the the pad correctly I feel like such

1:21:25an idiot in those moments I have to

1:21:28agree while a lot of the ticket stuff

1:21:30will show up on the watch I feel

1:21:32socially reluctant to use the watch as

1:21:35as a ticket yeah

1:21:37I'd never do it it's just cuz it's Apple

1:21:39pay and I use it an Apple pay all the

1:21:41time but for like tickets for planes and

1:21:43stuff I would honestly typically still

1:21:46use the paper one if they give it to me

1:21:49but other than that I will always use my

1:21:51phone I like a paper ticket just in case

1:21:54you in such a high-pressure situation

1:21:57right when you're in the airports it's

1:22:00like if they're gonna give me a paper

1:22:01ticket I'll take it because I

1:22:02ever back up I don't print out the paper

1:22:05tickets but I'll say this I have never

1:22:07regretted it when someone gives me a

1:22:09ticket I give a thing comes up and I

1:22:11need to go to the gate a yeah never

1:22:13print it but if they if they offer to

1:22:15give me or they give me at the check-in

1:22:17desk that's what I'll use for the rest I

1:22:19will I will always take it and there is

1:22:22one real disadvantage which I think is a

1:22:24real structural disadvantage in an

1:22:26airport

1:22:27especially when lots of people are using

1:22:28a tickets which I'm just aware of a huge

1:22:31proportion of people are using the

1:22:33tickets on their phone like that has

1:22:34really skyrocketed in airports and the

1:22:37big disadvantage is everyone is real

1:22:40gentle with your phone and a lot of the

1:22:43scanners are built so that you just you

1:22:45have to give the person your phone to

1:22:48scan in the tickets yeah yeah and

1:22:50there's there's this weird like people

1:22:52are holding it just on the top side like

1:22:54nobody wants to really grab anybody

1:22:56else's phone and you really do think

1:22:59that that slows things down so and but

1:23:04it's also why that's in many situations

1:23:06like using the watch it's like oh come

1:23:08on you know I need to take your whole

1:23:09arm yes like it weirdly

1:23:11pushed your arm around and yeah it's

1:23:13never it's never gonna work

1:23:15but again I'm always like I'm very

1:23:16nervous on the lines about having my

1:23:18iPhone ticket ready because I just I

1:23:22don't want to be the person who's

1:23:23holding it up and every once in a while

1:23:25I've been like I've been so anxious

1:23:26about having the ticket ready that I'm

1:23:28fiddling around with it so much that

1:23:30I'll like lock the phone yeah right

1:23:31before them and I'm like oh now right

1:23:33and now now Here I am like now I'm a guy

1:23:35then you become the British person

1:23:39fumbling around making little noises

1:23:41yeah it's terrible but so that that's

1:23:43why I'll put the wallet in that bottom

1:23:45space because like any any button no

1:23:47matter where I can be to get to the

1:23:49wallet to get to the ticket is what I

1:23:50want as fast as possible so that that's

1:23:53the one folder the next folder over

1:23:55which has the toggle timer in it that's

1:23:57representative of a bunch of apps that I

1:23:59just use for work stuff in one form or

1:24:01another so I toggle that still kind of

1:24:04sucks right yeah it's not great and it's

1:24:09probably not very long-lived

1:24:11on my phone either because

1:24:13I can't I can't trace it exactly but

1:24:15somewhere in my system something isn't

1:24:18ending timers correctly and so I end up

1:24:22with these weird super long recorded

1:24:26times that problem is me I woke up this

1:24:32morning to a 19-hour invoicing timer ya

1:24:37see I'm always I'm always firing off

1:24:39timers so I don't have that problem but

1:24:41every once in a while there's some timer

1:24:42where it like it weirdly thinks that

1:24:45even though I have launched 20 timers in

1:24:47the day there was one timer from the

1:24:48morning and has also been going on all

1:24:50day long and I'm I think it's the iOS

1:24:53app that's doing it but but either way I

1:24:55just I have it there as a label that

1:24:58this is the folder for work stuff I

1:25:00don't use it a lot and I'm probably

1:25:02going to take it off my phone relatively

1:25:04soon and then the next one over has the

1:25:06Apple watch in it and then that just has

1:25:08a bunch of health-related apps in there

1:25:10so I have those four folders on the top

1:25:13for these sorting purposes so it does

1:25:15make it easier when I need to manually

1:25:17find an app I have an idea of where it

1:25:19probably is and also frankly it is like

1:25:23you were saying while with filling up

1:25:24the slots on your phone that you do run

1:25:28into these balance problems of I

1:25:29actually don't have a ton of apps that I

1:25:31really would want on the home screen

1:25:33there's lots of stuff that I'm happy to

1:25:35search for and so the four on the top is

1:25:38is again a kind of visual balance the

1:25:41thing I could get away with one folder

1:25:42but one folder looked really ugly and

1:25:44four is fine and I'm I'm looking for

1:25:48more spaces on the home screen anyway so

1:25:50I don't I don't mind putting those four

1:25:51across there but yes I will acknowledge

1:25:55that the color arrangement an exact

1:25:57location of some of these apps is not

1:26:00the best but this is partly coming off

1:26:02of the gray keishon and not having

1:26:06settled entirely on what the new phone

1:26:07will be that's partly why the the

1:26:10screenshot that I gave you is taken

1:26:12filmic Pro is on there which is the

1:26:15camera that I can use for some vlogging

1:26:17stuff because I was in a place where I

1:26:18was doing some vlogging recording but

1:26:21that's that's not an app that needs to

1:26:24live on the home screen under normal

1:26:25circumstances

1:26:26that's gonna get out how many plugs are

1:26:28you gonna record before you release one

1:26:33just I've vlog every day

1:26:35I just never put them out the question

1:26:39is Mike what is a vlog I can say that I

1:26:44have made several short vlogs that I've

1:26:47realized this is boring as all hell and

1:26:50I just got rid of it

1:26:51so like that that has happened a number

1:26:52of times log falls in the woods and

1:26:54there's no one around blog vlog has

1:26:57uploaded to YouTube and nobody likes it

1:26:59did it exist who knows but so anyway

1:27:02filmic Pro is gonna go off and then of

1:27:04course that has huge knock-on effects of

1:27:05everything else but and also the the

1:27:08arrangement of to do tasks on the bottom

1:27:12row like that is ultimately going to

1:27:13change but you just happen to be seeing

1:27:15it where it is right now are there any

1:27:19other questions about this particular

1:27:20set of Evernote man Evernote it's just

1:27:23never gonna go away is it Evernote it's

1:27:26here's the thing though this is actually

1:27:29it's been a long time since Evernote has

1:27:31been on the home screen of my phone and

1:27:34part of this was part of this was just

1:27:39accepting as part of the year of order

1:27:41like every notes just gonna be with you

1:27:43man

1:27:43right it's just gonna be here there's no

1:27:45way you're ever walking away from that

1:27:47embrace it and I've put Evernote on the

1:27:52homescreen specifically so that and it's

1:27:55worked so far I engage in a particular

1:27:57behavior which is I often have a thought

1:28:00for some video and in the past I would

1:28:05open up a note and I would write it down

1:28:07and then at some later point I would

1:28:09cycle that note into the appropriate

1:28:12place in Evernote and I've decided like

1:28:14well just just skip that step why not

1:28:16just accept that ever notes here put it

1:28:18on the home screen and put the note

1:28:21right where it belongs immediately and

1:28:23save yourself the effort later of

1:28:25sorting and categorizing it so that

1:28:27actually has worked pretty well and I'm

1:28:29liking the way that is how is the

1:28:31Evernote app now it's fine

1:28:34it's fine cuz I I haven't used it and in

1:28:37a very long time at this point just

1:28:40because Apple notes is it gives me

1:28:43everything I need like I don't need

1:28:45anymore from it like on the phone what I

1:28:48would say it's fine for putting stuff in

1:28:51it's fine from looking stuff up but if

1:28:55you're gonna do any organization you

1:28:56better be sitting at a computer or

1:28:58you're gonna hate your life so if I need

1:29:01to do any serious Evernote reorganizing

1:29:04that that'll happen on a computer that

1:29:06won't happen on the phone Apple Maps use

1:29:10Apple Maps I have a very particular use

1:29:12for Apple maps mmm

1:29:13this is gonna sound I'm pretty sure I've

1:29:15told you this before I'm not sure I've

1:29:17said it on the podcast but well you know

1:29:21what's going here I have a I've

1:29:25increasingly had a lot of problems with

1:29:26motion sickness and it's very strange

1:29:30but when I'm in a car it's is very often

1:29:33like I can get motion sickness if I'm

1:29:36not looking out the windows or I'm not

1:29:38like yeah I just this is this is a

1:29:41sensitivity that has increased over time

1:29:42and do you just get it and caused you

1:29:45get it in planes luckily I have not

1:29:47gotten it in planes oh that would be bad

1:29:50I hope that ever happens to you

1:29:52yeah I'm a little worried just because I

1:29:54used to never get it in cars either and

1:29:56now I do and so I feel like uh oh

1:29:58there's some dial of sensitivity that is

1:30:00getting turned up over time but if I get

1:30:03motion sickness on planes like well I

1:30:04guess I'm just gonna restructure an

1:30:05amazing portion of my life like that's

1:30:07what's going to happen because I'm not

1:30:08gonna put up with that anyway I have

1:30:10Apple Maps there because I mean

1:30:12genuinely Apple Maps is is it is reach

1:30:15the point where it's fine for day-to-day

1:30:16use but the thing that is surprisingly

1:30:19helpful is if I'm in a car and I'm not

1:30:23driving I put the destination into Apple

1:30:27maps and it does the haptic feedback on

1:30:29my wrist and it is really helpful to

1:30:33actually have a little indicator of

1:30:36which way you're going to turn before

1:30:37you turn and so I find that is actually

1:30:42helpful with the car sickness sales

1:30:44thing so it's it's it's pre preparing

1:30:47your brain for the

1:30:48yeah like I will always leave the

1:30:51navigation on on on my phone but it's

1:30:53useful because if I don't want to look

1:30:55at the phone I can just get the haptic

1:30:57feedback on the watch and yeah it's like

1:30:59my brain is is ready for the turns and

1:31:02people always ask like oh but what

1:31:04happens if the person doesn't make the

1:31:05turn where Apple Maps thinks it should

1:31:06make the try it doesn't seem to matter

1:31:08it just seems to know that like

1:31:10anticipation of a turn maybe upcoming is

1:31:13actually the only information that I

1:31:15really want and it it helps but I do

1:31:18have to say if you are doing any kind of

1:31:21actual serious strike like if I'm in

1:31:23America and I am driving to a place that

1:31:24I don't know

1:31:26I will almost always use Google Maps

1:31:28instead for the actual driving

1:31:30directions like Google Maps is a serious

1:31:32like you're doing a road trip in America

1:31:35you're crazy not to use Google Maps not

1:31:38least because they have some features

1:31:39like saving offline maps for when you

1:31:40get out of cell phone acts like they

1:31:42have a lot of really great features but

1:31:44I'm not really using Apple maps for my

1:31:47own navigation 99% of the time right I'm

1:31:50using it as like navigational awareness

1:31:53but it's there on the home screen

1:31:54because it when it's needed is needed

1:31:56urgently right there's no fussing it's

1:31:59good yeah there's no fussing and and

1:32:01also I do use the maps often enough and

1:32:03like I said it's fine it's fine for

1:32:05purpose when I'm looking for things so I

1:32:07just I just leave it on the home screen

1:32:09there in London Google Maps is so much

1:32:11better than Apple maps like the point of

1:32:13interest data is better they have like

1:32:15what time is this place busy day - it's

1:32:18it really is just excellent oh yeah no

1:32:20yeah I mean that is the thing if I want

1:32:22to know when a place is busy I always

1:32:23open up the Google Maps and I want to go

1:32:26to a place when nobody's there tell me

1:32:27Google Maps sites that that is one of

1:32:29the best features I love that feature

1:32:32and you're still using the start and

1:32:35stop time is there in the bottom what is

1:32:37it what is that one in the middle is

1:32:38that open like a log of your toggle

1:32:40activities or something okay so this

1:32:42this is a little bit different this was

1:32:44part of my effort to increase the amount

1:32:47of time captured I was trying think

1:32:49about like what time or do I hit the

1:32:51most and I've I've set up a timer I mean

1:32:55is months ago but I set up a timer which

1:32:56is called loading which I think of is

1:32:58like the loading screen in a videogame

1:33:00you know when you're trans

1:33:01from one area to another as realizing

1:33:04that there's a lot of my time in life

1:33:06which I can categorize as like loading

1:33:10screen behavior that I finished activity

1:33:131 I've sort of like oh I'm gonna go get

1:33:17a coffee now and I'm like in that

1:33:18transition period of deciding what am I

1:33:21going to do next and so I've mentally

1:33:25trained myself that if I don't know what

1:33:29timer I'm going to hit for the next task

1:33:32I just automatically hit the loading

1:33:34timer and what that does is it stops

1:33:37whatever timer was previously running

1:33:39and begins this just generic you are in

1:33:42a transitional state timer which I

1:33:45really like because it helps me cut down

1:33:48on that transitional state it helps cut

1:33:50down on not deciding what's going to

1:33:54happen next because again I'm aware that

1:33:55there is this timer in existence but so

1:33:58that is by far my most frequently hit

1:34:00single timer is that one so I thought

1:34:03might as well put it right right in the

1:34:04center on the home screen in a in a

1:34:07prominent location so that's what I hit

1:34:08most of the time now Mike I know you

1:34:10don't I don't you don't like the home

1:34:12screen but here's here's a question that

1:34:14I want to know what you think of here is

1:34:16my lock screen oh look at that that's

1:34:20surprising surprising that would even

1:34:22come up what does that Mike is that one

1:34:25of these dynamic cool papers yes it is

1:34:29it is one of the dynamic wallpapers that

1:34:31Apple introduced years ago and has never

1:34:34updated ever but it's just the the blue

1:34:38little color blobs and what do you do

1:34:41you 3d touch on it and they move or

1:34:43something all that I just move around on

1:34:44their own they move automatically so

1:34:46whenever I pick up the phone the little

1:34:47blobs come into existence and they move

1:34:50around with the way the phone moves and

1:34:52I always hated those animated wallpapers

1:34:55I didn't think they look great but I'll

1:34:56tell you again with the black levels of

1:34:58the of the iPhone X it looks gorgeous

1:35:01and I always just kind of like having a

1:35:05little bit of a little bit of whimsy a

1:35:08little bit of difference when you switch

1:35:10devices and so this is again a thing

1:35:14like I don't know

1:35:15if I'm going to keep this but I like it

1:35:18and it's it's fun for having the new

1:35:21device but yeah I like it I like it a

1:35:23lot and I was just curious if this was

1:35:27going to get Mike approval or

1:35:28disapproval I think that there are there

1:35:33are better options for what you're doing

1:35:36but I like that there's something going

1:35:38on so like with the with the infant and

1:35:41they added a bunch of these 3d touchable

1:35:44dynamic wallpapers like shifting sands

1:35:47shifting coloured sands and stuff like

1:35:49that they're pretty interesting I don't

1:35:52use them but they're fun yeah but the

1:35:55problem is they require an action on

1:35:57your part that's true like you have to

1:35:59like oh I'm gonna now 3d press my lock

1:36:01screen to see a thing move how many

1:36:03times you're gonna do that I like that

1:36:05this just happens automatically that

1:36:06they just show up and they move around

1:36:08and they've made them very reactive to

1:36:12subtle motions in the phone oh yeah I

1:36:14like I've just I'm trying to out now and

1:36:17you move it around then it all goes wild

1:36:20I don't think I would like that I

1:36:21originally thought I was gonna try it

1:36:23for this and the home screen and there

1:36:26is a nice there is a nice touch that

1:36:27when you unlock the phone and you swipe

1:36:28up it'll keep the bubbles in the same

1:36:30spot when you go to the home screen but

1:36:32turns out that I hate that icon small

1:36:37about it yes yeah oh I tried it I tried

1:36:40it for maybe a day and I was like what

1:36:41am i doing it's like horrible there's a

1:36:43Mines clan moment they're like clown

1:36:45trials us yeah it's it would be no good

1:36:48there was also a multicolored one which

1:36:49I was trying for a while and then I

1:36:50eventually settled on the blue as my

1:36:52personal favorite so i like that i think

1:36:55i think it's it's interesting to do and

1:36:57it looks great on the new phone for the

1:36:59lockscreen

1:36:59but i have one more thing to show you

1:37:02but i just need to grab something from

1:37:03the other room so I'll be back in just a

1:37:04second okay

1:37:07[Music]

1:37:14I was realizing that we've discussed

1:37:18home screens now for a while having done

1:37:20this show and I don't think I've

1:37:23mentioned one thing that I particularly

1:37:25like to do so I'm going to show you I

1:37:27can't show it on my phone because I

1:37:29don't have it set up right now but I'm

1:37:31gonna show you how I set up my iPad when

1:37:35I was on my winter vacation what are you

1:37:41laughing at Mike before you say anything

1:37:48I want you to realize that when I was on

1:37:51my gradation I did this on my iPad and

1:37:53on my phone for the lock screen and the

1:37:56home screen it's it's a snowy landscape

1:38:03of a forest but in this hylia cartoon

1:38:07aesthetic it's just a flat design

1:38:10aesthetic you have a little forests and

1:38:12some snow mm-hmm I'm a big believer in

1:38:17changing your homescreen and your

1:38:20lockscreen

1:38:20for when you're on a holiday I think it

1:38:23helps make the time psychologically

1:38:25different so when I go on my gradations

1:38:28are my corporate retreats I often try to

1:38:30find a nice a nice little wallpaper

1:38:32which is not a wallpaper I would use

1:38:34normally but something that feels like

1:38:35it fits the matically in wherever

1:38:38wherever I am so I had this beautiful

1:38:41beautiful wallpaper on my iPad and on my

1:38:44home screen for my winter vacation time

1:38:47and it was lovely and I think it's a

1:38:49thing that everybody should do and they

1:38:51say you're a robot