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00:00:00 ◼   ► so we watched six days to air which is

00:00:03 ◼   ► documentary about how an episode of

00:00:06 ◼   ► South Park is created and the reason

00:00:09 ◼   ► this documentary exists and the reason

00:00:11 ◼   ► it is interesting is that for the last

00:00:14 ◼   ► number of years the team behind South

00:00:17 ◼   ► Park they will come up with an idea for

00:00:20 ◼   ► an episode right the episode animator

00:00:23 ◼   ► and voice actor within six days and then

00:00:26 ◼   ► it is played to the world on Comedy

00:00:28 ◼   ► Central

00:00:29 ◼   ► so that is why this documentary team

00:00:32 ◼   ► decided to come and take a look at what

00:00:34 ◼   ► that process is like because I this has

00:00:38 ◼   ► never been done before this is the only

00:00:39 ◼   ► animation to be done in this way at this

00:00:41 ◼   ► scale for this long so they are wholly

00:00:46 ◼   ► unique and it presents with it a bunch

00:00:49 ◼   ► of very interesting challenges that the

00:00:53 ◼   ► team goes through which is what we want

00:00:55 ◼   ► to look at as a way to kind of do a mini

00:00:57 ◼   ► I guess it's a kind of like a case study

00:00:59 ◼   ► on how people work under pressure I can

00:01:02 ◼   ► hardly think of other jobs that would be

00:01:05 ◼   ► this kind of pressure mm-hmm you know

00:01:08 ◼   ► running through the roster and I'm

00:01:09 ◼   ► thinking uh air traffic controllers I

00:01:12 ◼   ► know that's a lot of that's a lot of

00:01:14 ◼   ► pressure but but producing creating from

00:01:17 ◼   ► nothing and going to a completed show in

00:01:20 ◼   ► the space of a week is insanity and for

00:01:24 ◼   ► comparison they mentioned like The

00:01:25 ◼   ► Simpsons which is the most comparable

00:01:27 ◼   ► animated show to South Park in no small

00:01:30 ◼   ► part because they have both been on the

00:01:31 ◼   ► air forever and we're sort of started

00:01:34 ◼   ► around the same ish era The Simpsons

00:01:37 ◼   ► takes months to produce each episode so

00:01:41 ◼   ► it's not just like oh they're doing it

00:01:43 ◼   ► in six days and other other shows take

00:01:45 ◼   ► two weeks I know it's a it's an it's an

00:01:48 ◼   ► incredible difference between the the

00:01:52 ◼   ► production cycle and other shows the

00:01:54 ◼   ► creators of South Park Matt and Trey you

00:01:57 ◼   ► know they are interesting guys they've

00:01:59 ◼   ► done a lot of different projects over

00:02:01 ◼   ► the years and when I was watching South

00:02:04 ◼   ► Park when I was younger like the show

00:02:07 ◼   ► has been on now for 20 plus years and

00:02:10 ◼   ► I've seen a lot of the first ten

00:02:13 ◼   ► years I haven't seen a lot of it in the

00:02:15 ◼   ► most recent 10 years but when I watched

00:02:18 ◼   ► it back in the sort of pre-internet days

00:02:21 ◼   ► I remember noting how quickly things

00:02:26 ◼   ► that happened in the world were able to

00:02:28 ◼   ► work their way into the show and I

00:02:30 ◼   ► always wondered like how is it that a

00:02:33 ◼   ► show like South Park is able to respond

00:02:36 ◼   ► to things in the world on such a such a

00:02:38 ◼   ► short timeframe whereas everything else

00:02:41 ◼   ► that's created for television it clearly

00:02:44 ◼   ► is created that can have in a void of

00:02:47 ◼   ► timelessness that it could it could

00:02:48 ◼   ► occur at any point I always just found

00:02:50 ◼   ► that notable and weird and it made South

00:02:53 ◼   ► Park feel like a a special different

00:02:56 ◼   ► show that it could react to something

00:02:58 ◼   ► that happened last week and I always

00:02:59 ◼   ► wondered and now I have the answer the

00:03:02 ◼   ► way they were able to do that is with an

00:03:04 ◼   ► insane working schedule that nobody else

00:03:08 ◼   ► in the world would copy so the

00:03:10 ◼   ► documentary begins and when set is March

00:03:13 ◼   ► 2011 and for context the show we've been

00:03:17 ◼   ► on a bit of a break a longer break man

00:03:19 ◼   ► had ever taken before because Parker and

00:03:22 ◼   ► stone had just debuted their musical the

00:03:25 ◼   ► Book of Mormon and it was up for a bunch

00:03:28 ◼   ► of Tony Awards and they just kind of got

00:03:30 ◼   ► the first run or the first few shows out

00:03:33 ◼   ► of the way before returning back to

00:03:35 ◼   ► South Park so there had been a

00:03:37 ◼   ► significant period of time where the

00:03:39 ◼   ► show had not been on the air because

00:03:40 ◼   ► without Parker and stone

00:03:42 ◼   ► there is no South Park but they couldn't

00:03:44 ◼   ► make it without them as you kind of come

00:03:45 ◼   ► to learn over the course of the

00:03:47 ◼   ► documentary so they took a break they

00:03:49 ◼   ► took a long break and then they come

00:03:52 ◼   ► back and episode one of this season also

00:03:54 ◼   ► just completely lucky on the documentary

00:03:57 ◼   ► makers parts ends up becoming one of the

00:04:00 ◼   ► most infamous episodes that has ever

00:04:03 ◼   ► been created it was an episode called

00:04:05 ◼   ► humancentipad

00:04:07 ◼   ► we don't need to go into it right like

00:04:10 ◼   ► it is what it is it's one of the most

00:04:12 ◼   ► infamous episodes that they ever made

00:04:13 ◼   ► but it was just interesting to watch how

00:04:16 ◼   ► that all came together over the course

00:04:18 ◼   ► of this week it's an infamous episode

00:04:21 ◼   ► because it is iPads crossed with the

00:04:24 ◼   ► human centipede yes oh yeah

00:04:26 ◼   ► yeah it's very South Park it is the most

00:04:29 ◼   ► South Park it could be but because they

00:04:31 ◼   ► taking this break one of the things that

00:04:34 ◼   ► I was astounded by was how long it took

00:04:36 ◼   ► them to come up with the concept of the

00:04:38 ◼   ► episode it's like one or two days of the

00:04:41 ◼   ► six days they're still working out what

00:04:43 ◼   ► the episodes about and that seems wild

00:04:45 ◼   ► to me right like I assume that as the

00:04:47 ◼   ► seasons go by they have some ideas in

00:04:49 ◼   ► the bank but they started on just like a

00:04:51 ◼   ► completely blank slate trying to work

00:04:54 ◼   ► out how to complete the episode right so

00:04:58 ◼   ► it's like dead nothing can happen so

00:04:59 ◼   ► everybody's kind of is so much hanging

00:05:01 ◼   ► around like the rest of the team are

00:05:03 ◼   ► just waiting like there's times later on

00:05:06 ◼   ► in the episode where individuals are

00:05:09 ◼   ► sleeping in the offices because the

00:05:12 ◼   ► script might come at 3:30 in the morning

00:05:14 ◼   ► and then they can get the work like

00:05:16 ◼   ► there seems to be this just really wild

00:05:20 ◼   ► work schedule that everybody goes

00:05:22 ◼   ► through the way the show usually runs is

00:05:25 ◼   ► that they're there they build up some

00:05:28 ◼   ► kind of events that are occurring

00:05:30 ◼   ► throughout the several episodes and so

00:05:33 ◼   ► that there's they end up with ongoing

00:05:35 ◼   ► stories that take place over the course

00:05:36 ◼   ► of the season but because because like

00:05:39 ◼   ► you said they're coming back into work

00:05:41 ◼   ► it's the start of a brand new season

00:05:43 ◼   ► it's also because they've been on such a

00:05:45 ◼   ► big break that I found the same thing

00:05:47 ◼   ► was astounding where it's I think is

00:05:49 ◼   ► sort of like six people in the writers

00:05:51 ◼   ► room you know Matt Matt and Trey are the

00:05:53 ◼   ► two main guys obviously they have the

00:05:54 ◼   ► producer there they have a couple other

00:05:56 ◼   ► writers that they're people who are

00:05:58 ◼   ► there

00:05:58 ◼   ► but the beginning of the documentary is

00:06:00 ◼   ► just all of these shots of them just

00:06:03 ◼   ► sitting there I may stay in a room a lot

00:06:06 ◼   ► of chasing looking up looking up at the

00:06:09 ◼   ► ceiling and they're just they're just

00:06:13 ◼   ► tossing out things that are zeitgeist II

00:06:16 ◼   ► all right so they're like uh there's

00:06:18 ◼   ► been a lot of there's been a lot of news

00:06:20 ◼   ► about that tsunami that occurred our

00:06:22 ◼   ► tsunamis funny alright they're looking

00:06:23 ◼   ► around trying to think of tsunamis are

00:06:24 ◼   ► funny and it I agree with you when you

00:06:27 ◼   ► see that the premise of the documentary

00:06:28 ◼   ► is okay it takes six days to make an

00:06:30 ◼   ► episode of South Park and you realize

00:06:33 ◼   ► that close to a third of that time at

00:06:36 ◼   ► least on the first episode

00:06:38 ◼   ► is just sitting around trying to think

00:06:42 ◼   ► up what the show is going to be it makes

00:06:44 ◼   ► it even more astounding and it's it

00:06:46 ◼   ► really it's like the production is a lot

00:06:49 ◼   ► closer to four days to air and and we we

00:06:53 ◼   ► have the actual idea on the morning of

00:06:56 ◼   ► the fourth day that that's what it

00:06:58 ◼   ► that's when it starts to come together

00:06:59 ◼   ► yeah there's a quote from one of the

00:07:01 ◼   ► producers and this is like at the

00:07:03 ◼   ► beginning of the six days there's a show

00:07:05 ◼   ► on Wednesday we don't even know what it

00:07:07 ◼   ► is there is it just an incredible

00:07:12 ◼   ► pressure that goes to it and I mean

00:07:15 ◼   ► there is a part of me that can

00:07:17 ◼   ► sympathize in a very very small way so

00:07:21 ◼   ► you know I produce a number of shows

00:07:23 ◼   ► that are focused around news and

00:07:26 ◼   ► sometimes you get to like two days

00:07:29 ◼   ► before the episode and there's nothing

00:07:32 ◼   ► but the episode is being recorded in two

00:07:35 ◼   ► days so like what do you do and then

00:07:38 ◼   ► there is that this do you come up with

00:07:41 ◼   ► some kind of evergreen topic like

00:07:43 ◼   ► something that isn't news based do you

00:07:45 ◼   ► sit with your fingers crossed hoping

00:07:46 ◼   ► that there will be news like is nowhere

00:07:49 ◼   ► near the scale that this is at because

00:07:51 ◼   ► it's like creating something wholly

00:07:53 ◼   ► larger with many many dependencies but I

00:07:56 ◼   ► can totally understand the feeling of

00:07:58 ◼   ► like it being completely out of our

00:08:01 ◼   ► hands like we don't know what it's gonna

00:08:04 ◼   ► be and eventually there's gonna have to

00:08:06 ◼   ► be an episode but as of right now no one

00:08:10 ◼   ► knows what its gonna look like

00:08:12 ◼   ► yeah and I've there are two moments with

00:08:17 ◼   ► Trey Parker in particular where I felt

00:08:19 ◼   ► like oh dude you have all of my sympathy

00:08:22 ◼   ► in the world but but one of the scenes

00:08:25 ◼   ► is he's trying to work on the script

00:08:27 ◼   ► that's the McDonald's delivery I was

00:08:29 ◼   ► wondering how I I specifically wrote

00:08:32 ◼   ► down to ask you what you thought of Trey

00:08:34 ◼   ► Pacha's script writing process there's a

00:08:37 ◼   ► couple of things in here but it's like

00:08:39 ◼   ► he's getting he's getting what looks

00:08:40 ◼   ► like just the world's worst McDonald's

00:08:43 ◼   ► meal delivered to him they say it makes

00:08:45 ◼   ► me happy for five minutes yeah the

00:08:49 ◼   ► documentary guy asks him about like this

00:08:51 ◼   ► clear

00:08:52 ◼   ► two bags of garbage he's about to pour

00:08:54 ◼   ► into himself and yeah and that's that's

00:08:57 ◼   ► a surprise like oh it makes me happy for

00:08:59 ◼   ► five minutes

00:09:00 ◼   ► and just talking about how at this at

00:09:05 ◼   ► this point it's a little bit after they

00:09:06 ◼   ► have come up with the actual idea but he

00:09:08 ◼   ► still needs to sit down and turn it into

00:09:09 ◼   ► a real script and I have a lot of

00:09:14 ◼   ► sympathy for that behavior of like oh

00:09:16 ◼   ► he's doing something that he knows is

00:09:17 ◼   ► self-destructive but it's bringing him a

00:09:19 ◼   ► little bit of joy in the middle of what

00:09:21 ◼   ► is a miserable process because he

00:09:23 ◼   ► clearly hates the scriptwriting thing

00:09:25 ◼   ► and it's this unlike the writers room

00:09:27 ◼   ► where they're trying to come up with the

00:09:29 ◼   ► ideas and there's people and he's

00:09:30 ◼   ► bouncing stuff off and you can see that

00:09:32 ◼   ► he's much more lively there the script

00:09:34 ◼   ► writing process is like well it's just

00:09:36 ◼   ► Trey Parker sitting in a room with a

00:09:38 ◼   ► computer with no one yeah it was wild to

00:09:42 ◼   ► me that he writes it just him like they

00:09:47 ◼   ► have writers but they're not writers in

00:09:49 ◼   ► this in the sense of you know you know I

00:09:51 ◼   ► don't know what the term is but like

00:09:52 ◼   ► when I think of writers like are there

00:09:54 ◼   ► write in the whole episode doesn't work

00:09:55 ◼   ► like that they're coming up with the

00:09:56 ◼   ► ideas and helping him flesh out some of

00:09:59 ◼   ► the plot points but all of the dialogue

00:10:01 ◼   ► is actually just written by Trey Parker

00:10:04 ◼   ► yeah it's it's it's crazy I mean let

00:10:06 ◼   ► alone the fact that they still to this

00:10:09 ◼   ► day voice the vast majority of the cost

00:10:12 ◼   ► as well yeah yeah I mean there's there's

00:10:14 ◼   ► so much that they do it's it's

00:10:16 ◼   ► unbelievable but the the the reason why

00:10:18 ◼   ► I had this double sympathy for him was

00:10:20 ◼   ► because it's like okay I get that like

00:10:22 ◼   ► you're eating crap because you've just

00:10:24 ◼   ► got a bunch of work to do and like

00:10:25 ◼   ► that's a behavior that I have tried to

00:10:27 ◼   ► breed out of myself over time and I've

00:10:28 ◼   ► gotten way better about it but it's like

00:10:30 ◼   ► when I was faster at producing videos

00:10:33 ◼   ► it's like my health really suffered and

00:10:34 ◼   ► it was like oh yeah this looks familiar

00:10:36 ◼   ► I know this like yeah you happy for a

00:10:38 ◼   ► minute but the other thing that to me is

00:10:42 ◼   ► again in the smallest way but is also

00:10:45 ◼   ► now much more my world than it was years

00:10:48 ◼   ► ago is okay the one the one thing is no

00:10:50 ◼   ► more but the new thing is where he talks

00:10:53 ◼   ► about how he's sitting there writing the

00:10:54 ◼   ► script and he just knows that the

00:10:58 ◼   ► entirety of the staff of the production

00:11:01 ◼   ► of South Park is waiting on him to

00:11:03 ◼   ► finish this thing

00:11:05 ◼   ► and he knows that

00:11:08 ◼   ► how late of a night he's going to force

00:11:11 ◼   ► on everybody who works on the show is

00:11:13 ◼   ► entirely down to his ability to sit in

00:11:16 ◼   ► this room and and write the script and

00:11:19 ◼   ► just the the the pressure of that you

00:11:24 ◼   ► know I I have things where's like oh I

00:11:26 ◼   ► know people are waiting on me and it's

00:11:28 ◼   ► like I hate that I hate being the

00:11:30 ◼   ► bottleneck it makes me really unhappy

00:11:32 ◼   ► and and him talking about like this

00:11:34 ◼   ► entire team of animators and everybody

00:11:38 ◼   ► else is just waiting for him to finish

00:11:40 ◼   ► it I thought I can't I cannot believe

00:11:44 ◼   ► that the two of them have done this for

00:11:47 ◼   ► as long as they have and that they're

00:11:49 ◼   ► and that they're alive that this that

00:11:51 ◼   ► this has not killed them the production

00:11:54 ◼   ► of this show because the the final

00:11:55 ◼   ► scenes for this episode are delivered to

00:11:59 ◼   ► the animators 24 hours before they air

00:12:03 ◼   ► and this is not there's no dialogue so

00:12:06 ◼   ► still what record the dialogue where you

00:12:07 ◼   ► deliver the scenes I start animation go

00:12:09 ◼   ► cord the dialogue good a match all the

00:12:10 ◼   ► dialogue gonna put the whole thing

00:12:11 ◼   ► together 24 hours like I love this this

00:12:15 ◼   ► one moment like the 36 hour mark where

00:12:19 ◼   ► this is the first time this has happened

00:12:20 ◼   ► the producers are looking for Trey

00:12:24 ◼   ► Parker they're like walking around the

00:12:27 ◼   ► studio like where's Trey like they're

00:12:30 ◼   ► trying to find him because they know

00:12:33 ◼   ► just how horrific Lee late they are at

00:12:36 ◼   ► this point because like it seemed like

00:12:37 ◼   ► this one as being the first episode was

00:12:40 ◼   ► particularly bad right like then they

00:12:42 ◼   ► pushed it on particularly like late in

00:12:45 ◼   ► the whole process and like another thing

00:12:47 ◼   ► that I thought that you I want to see

00:12:49 ◼   ► what you thought was when he's talking

00:12:51 ◼   ► about the script and he still got like

00:12:53 ◼   ► five scenes to go or whatever and he's

00:12:55 ◼   ► like I have to cut so much of this mm-hm

00:12:58 ◼   ► like he's like I've not finished but I

00:13:01 ◼   ► know what I have here is a 40 page

00:13:03 ◼   ► script which is like a 40-minute episode

00:13:05 ◼   ► and we have to deliver a 25-minute

00:13:07 ◼   ► episode and he's just like I have to

00:13:10 ◼   ► take it all out and it's gonna suck and

00:13:12 ◼   ► it is really interesting to watch as the

00:13:14 ◼   ► week goes on to watch Trey's confidence

00:13:17 ◼   ► start to fall

00:13:18 ◼   ► mmm-hmm like by the end he's just like

00:13:21 ◼   ► this is the worst episode we've ever

00:13:22 ◼   ► done I'm like in he's being legit right

00:13:26 ◼   ► like he it doesn't seem like he's joking

00:13:28 ◼   ► now that's I mean but this is this is

00:13:31 ◼   ► sort of legendary that the two of them

00:13:33 ◼   ► but particularly Trey Parker always feel

00:13:34 ◼   ► this way that's like oh this episode is

00:13:36 ◼   ► terrible but I think it's also just like

00:13:38 ◼   ► you've been so intensely involved in the

00:13:40 ◼   ► thing in such a short period of time

00:13:41 ◼   ► that all you can see are the gazillions

00:13:43 ◼   ► of its flaws and I think this is pretty

00:13:47 ◼   ► famously there's an episode of South

00:13:49 ◼   ► Park that they did which is a crossover

00:13:52 ◼   ► with World of Warcraft that was actually

00:13:55 ◼   ► produced with the very people who

00:13:57 ◼   ► animate that game and my understanding

00:14:00 ◼   ► of it is that they thought that that

00:14:02 ◼   ► episode was so terrible they came as

00:14:05 ◼   ► close as they've ever come to actually

00:14:07 ◼   ► pulling it to saying like we're not

00:14:09 ◼   ► going to air it at the last minute and

00:14:10 ◼   ► like we'll just have to run a like a

00:14:12 ◼   ► rerun in the in the space and of course

00:14:14 ◼   ► like that went on to be one of the most

00:14:16 ◼   ► famous and acclaimed episodes that

00:14:19 ◼   ► they've ever done is that episode but

00:14:21 ◼   ► it's it's like you can see he is crushed

00:14:24 ◼   ► every time at the end of these episodes

00:14:27 ◼   ► but the thing that kills me here is this

00:14:30 ◼   ► is just the start of the season I feel

00:14:32 ◼   ► like I have I have watched two men live

00:14:36 ◼   ► a year's worth of life in six days and

00:14:39 ◼   ► it's not like oh it's over go take a

00:14:42 ◼   ► break guys enjoy the weekend is another

00:14:44 ◼   ► the next episode is starting up right

00:14:46 ◼   ► now they get one day right which I

00:14:50 ◼   ► assume is not a day off yeah not in any

00:14:53 ◼   ► not in any normal sense yeah but the the

00:14:56 ◼   ► other part where I just had such

00:14:58 ◼   ► sympathy is when they're still in the

00:15:00 ◼   ► coming up with the ideas phase in that

00:15:03 ◼   ► in the first two days where they really

00:15:04 ◼   ► just don't have anything and Trey

00:15:08 ◼   ► mentions how he's like oh I'm gonna try

00:15:10 ◼   ► to get away and just not think about

00:15:11 ◼   ► this for a little bit so he goes home

00:15:12 ◼   ► and turns on his xbox to just turn off

00:15:16 ◼   ► his mind for a little bit but the ad on

00:15:18 ◼   ► the Xbox is South Park coming this

00:15:20 ◼   ► Wednesday right at this point it's

00:15:24 ◼   ► Friday and he's like that was I love

00:15:28 ◼   ► that it's like that's so just so cruel

00:15:31 ◼   ► right like he escaped because everything

00:15:35 ◼   ► cuz it's at the point it's at the size

00:15:37 ◼   ► that it is that by this point it's

00:15:39 ◼   ► everywhere right like and there's just

00:15:41 ◼   ► if no escape from it oh yeah yeah and as

00:15:44 ◼   ► mentioned I think this documentary

00:15:45 ◼   ► happened at the exact magical right time

00:15:47 ◼   ► yeah because there was probably no

00:15:50 ◼   ► season of South Park promoted more than

00:15:52 ◼   ► that one

00:15:53 ◼   ► the we're returning after a break and

00:15:56 ◼   ► also the episode where they've just

00:15:59 ◼   ► produced this incredible musical that

00:16:02 ◼   ► has received all this wide acclaim

00:16:03 ◼   ► so that everywhere at this point because

00:16:05 ◼   ► the book exactly you know it's wet you

00:16:07 ◼   ► know it had like every Tony nomination

00:16:09 ◼   ► which also happened in that week they

00:16:11 ◼   ► got a time Tony nominations right like

00:16:14 ◼   ► because the Book of Mormon was was huge

00:16:17 ◼   ► it was huge right and so there's so much

00:16:20 ◼   ► pressure on them they probably got more

00:16:23 ◼   ► people that were wanting to see South

00:16:25 ◼   ► Park then they have had in a while

00:16:27 ◼   ► because they're not they're like hot and

00:16:29 ◼   ► in the news again you know I can't even

00:16:32 ◼   ► I can't even imagine

00:16:33 ◼   ► I just can't yeah yeah but it is like

00:16:35 ◼   ► the universe is so cruel like this poor

00:16:37 ◼   ► guy is just trying to turn off his brain

00:16:39 ◼   ► for a little bit and his lifestyle for

00:16:40 ◼   ► coming this day like I just can't

00:16:43 ◼   ► imagine what that feels like to be

00:16:44 ◼   ► sitting there thinking like oh there's

00:16:46 ◼   ► Wednesday I guess I need to come up with

00:16:48 ◼   ► it you know I'm just forgot it's just

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00:18:24 ◼   ► supporting the show the thing about this

00:18:27 ◼   ► documentary that I find so fascinating

00:18:28 ◼   ► is so many people talk about how they

00:18:33 ◼   ► work better under deadlines and you know

00:18:37 ◼   ► personally that is a thing that I have

00:18:38 ◼   ► not found is is true for me I work worse

00:18:40 ◼   ► under deadlines but obviously it does

00:18:43 ◼   ► work for a lot of people and this feels

00:18:47 ◼   ► like the most extreme version of that I

00:18:50 ◼   ► have ever seen that not only do Trey

00:18:55 ◼   ► Parker and Matt Stone work well under

00:18:57 ◼   ► deadlines because they produce these

00:19:00 ◼   ► very popular very funny shows but

00:19:04 ◼   ► they've also created around them an

00:19:07 ◼   ► entire team and production company that

00:19:11 ◼   ► just has to be filled with people who

00:19:13 ◼   ► work well under deadlines it has a quote

00:19:17 ◼   ► from the animation director thing and he

00:19:20 ◼   ► says if it takes you four days to get

00:19:23 ◼   ► something done you can't contribute

00:19:25 ◼   ► right like if you are slow they can't

00:19:29 ◼   ► you can't work there and like they're

00:19:31 ◼   ► saying that in usual animation houses

00:19:33 ◼   ► you have teams of people that do the

00:19:35 ◼   ► specific parts right storyboarding and

00:19:37 ◼   ► then animating and that kind of stuff

00:19:38 ◼   ► but the South Park team everybody does

00:19:43 ◼   ► everything because they just don't have

00:19:46 ◼   ► the affordances of time to have it go

00:19:49 ◼   ► through a slow process you know you get

00:19:50 ◼   ► a scene or whatever that you're working

00:19:52 ◼   ► on and you will do it from scratch you

00:19:55 ◼   ► know and there are things that they have

00:19:57 ◼   ► obviously done over time right

00:19:59 ◼   ► like their process has been optimized

00:20:01 ◼   ► and in an animation style to allow for

00:20:05 ◼   ► them to create something in that amount

00:20:07 ◼   ► of time right like the the the

00:20:09 ◼   ► well-known like what started with

00:20:12 ◼   ► literal pieces of paper cut out and

00:20:14 ◼   ► moved around in stop-motion I have no

00:20:16 ◼   ► doubt that that style of animation helps

00:20:18 ◼   ► them to work a little bit faster oh yeah

00:20:22 ◼   ► oh yeah I mean there was this funny

00:20:24 ◼   ► thing where you know now as an adult who

00:20:28 ◼   ► has a tiny toe in the world of animation

00:20:31 ◼   ► but from my perspective watching this

00:20:33 ◼   ► documentary it's really interesting just

00:20:35 ◼   ► a couple of little offhanded comments

00:20:36 ◼   ► that the animators make I was like oh of

00:20:38 ◼   ► course I can I can see exactly what this

00:20:40 ◼   ► is where yeah that they they talked

00:20:43 ◼   ► about how oh this this style is

00:20:46 ◼   ► intentionally done because you don't

00:20:48 ◼   ► have to actually draw every frame that

00:20:52 ◼   ► in in animation there's this process

00:20:54 ◼   ► where you you can have a static thing

00:20:56 ◼   ► you can draw something and then you can

00:20:59 ◼   ► just specify oh it has to move from here

00:21:02 ◼   ► to here and the computer fills in that

00:21:05 ◼   ► motion in between and as I'm listening

00:21:07 ◼   ► to it like that's what I do like it's

00:21:09 ◼   ► exactly my animation process like I

00:21:11 ◼   ► don't draw every frame so you know every

00:21:14 ◼   ► one of my videos is in a much simpler

00:21:16 ◼   ► way but it's the same thing where I'm

00:21:18 ◼   ► taking objects and specifying key frames

00:21:21 ◼   ► of this needs to move from here to there

00:21:24 ◼   ► in an arc and computer you just draw the

00:21:27 ◼   ► 60 frames in between that needs to make

00:21:29 ◼   ► that happen

00:21:30 ◼   ► but but I was also just so aware of that

00:21:33 ◼   ► that you know their comparison to the

00:21:35 ◼   ► Simpsons takes months to produce an

00:21:36 ◼   ► episode it's like well yes but this the

00:21:40 ◼   ► Simpsons

00:21:41 ◼   ► even if they're using computers to help

00:21:43 ◼   ► the the Simpsons is not composed

00:21:46 ◼   ► fundamentally of geometric shapes that

00:21:50 ◼   ► you're sliding around and because of the

00:21:54 ◼   ► way the show is animated

00:21:55 ◼   ► they're able to do this in a way that

00:21:59 ◼   ► you couldn't possibly do with anything

00:22:00 ◼   ► that even looks like hand animation and

00:22:02 ◼   ► then the other thing that I did find

00:22:04 ◼   ► that comment really interesting where

00:22:06 ◼   ► the lead animator says oh yeah we don't

00:22:07 ◼   ► have separate storyboarding and

00:22:09 ◼   ► character design teams everybody just

00:22:12 ◼   ► does everything

00:22:13 ◼   ► and I have having had some peripheral

00:22:16 ◼   ► experience with various teams of various

00:22:18 ◼   ► sizes you know producing things for

00:22:19 ◼   ► YouTube there there really is an

00:22:24 ◼   ► interesting trade-off in size and scope

00:22:30 ◼   ► that when you do have smaller teams of

00:22:35 ◼   ► generalists if you are also able to

00:22:38 ◼   ► limit your scope in the way that South

00:22:41 ◼   ► Park does with what they're trying to do

00:22:42 ◼   ► in animation their animation is quite

00:22:44 ◼   ► limited it's like you can work very

00:22:46 ◼   ► quickly with a bunch of generalists and

00:22:51 ◼   ► then on the other end of that spectrum

00:22:52 ◼   ► you have larger production houses you

00:22:55 ◼   ► know what I would imagine like some

00:22:57 ◼   ► place like Pixar where you might have

00:22:59 ◼   ► three people who their whole specialist

00:23:01 ◼   ► job is what does hair look like when

00:23:03 ◼   ► it's wet you know how do you animate

00:23:05 ◼   ► that and it's like well then then you

00:23:07 ◼   ► can produce something that is incredibly

00:23:09 ◼   ► beautiful that you know a team like the

00:23:12 ◼   ► South Park team could never ever produce

00:23:14 ◼   ► but it's also going to take 20 million

00:23:17 ◼   ► man-hours to to bring into the world and

00:23:22 ◼   ► again I just think like the South Park

00:23:24 ◼   ► guys are so interesting because they've

00:23:27 ◼   ► clearly chosen to be optimized on a

00:23:31 ◼   ► particular end of that spectrum like

00:23:34 ◼   ► they've chosen to keep that animation

00:23:36 ◼   ► style the way it is so that they can

00:23:39 ◼   ► keep themselves under constant deadlines

00:23:41 ◼   ► so that they produce these shows that

00:23:45 ◼   ► are relevant to the world around them as

00:23:48 ◼   ► opposed to all other all other kinds of

00:23:49 ◼   ► TV but you know I have seen and it's

00:23:52 ◼   ► very easy for people to do where you

00:23:54 ◼   ► want to expand the scope of what is

00:23:56 ◼   ► possible and and then you have to keep

00:23:58 ◼   ► adding like what but how long does it

00:24:00 ◼   ► take and and that's the thing that they

00:24:02 ◼   ► they've clearly designed everything to

00:24:05 ◼   ► to stay nice and short and in fact

00:24:08 ◼   ► there's a little part where they talk

00:24:10 ◼   ► about as well about how they've

00:24:11 ◼   ► shortened the process over time

00:24:13 ◼   ► unlike kind of accidentally though right

00:24:15 ◼   ► yeah yeah it was interesting that they

00:24:17 ◼   ► returned with the the production of the

00:24:18 ◼   ► technology that they're like oh we used

00:24:20 ◼   ► to use these incredibly expensive

00:24:21 ◼   ► $30,000 machines

00:24:23 ◼   ► and now it's just an office full of IMAX

00:24:27 ◼   ► that the machines have gotten fast

00:24:29 ◼   ► enough and the animation style has

00:24:31 ◼   ► remained simple enough that that it's

00:24:34 ◼   ► it's pulled down the amount of time even

00:24:38 ◼   ► further and further that they need to

00:24:39 ◼   ► produce one of those shows in terms of

00:24:41 ◼   ► the animation and yeah it is it is crazy

00:24:43 ◼   ► to think that the last 24 hours is when

00:24:45 ◼   ► the vast majority of the animation

00:24:47 ◼   ► actually occurs like it's it's just

00:24:49 ◼   ► insanity

00:24:50 ◼   ► so obviously me and you are very used to

00:24:54 ◼   ► collaborate in all creative endeavors we

00:24:57 ◼   ► work with people to have an output and

00:25:00 ◼   ► that's what's happening with Trey Parker

00:25:02 ◼   ► and Matt Stone they're collaborating and

00:25:04 ◼   ► there's a moment where they sit down

00:25:07 ◼   ► with Matt stone and do kind of a

00:25:09 ◼   ► one-on-one because looking at the show

00:25:11 ◼   ► you know he's obviously important but

00:25:13 ◼   ► doesn't seem to have as many roles in

00:25:15 ◼   ► the production right purely because of

00:25:17 ◼   ► the fact that Parker is writing it and

00:25:20 ◼   ► directing the show he does both and

00:25:22 ◼   ► Parker is also the louder personality

00:25:24 ◼   ► yes so host on camera like Parker takes

00:25:27 ◼   ► up space on the screen right just just

00:25:30 ◼   ► with his physical presence drawers he

00:25:32 ◼   ► draws everything towards him mm-hmm and

00:25:34 ◼   ► they're you know he's kind of met sounds

00:25:36 ◼   ► kind of talking about the fact that they

00:25:37 ◼   ► the way that they work together and they

00:25:39 ◼   ► understand each other and they know

00:25:41 ◼   ► which one is in control in that moment

00:25:44 ◼   ► and that that has enabled them to

00:25:46 ◼   ► continue to work it's understanding the

00:25:48 ◼   ► way that each other works I'm just

00:25:50 ◼   ► playing into that has allowed for their

00:25:52 ◼   ► collaboration to last for 20 years

00:25:54 ◼   ► now I thought that little moment where

00:25:57 ◼   ► they talked to each of them about you

00:25:59 ◼   ► know the roles they play and how the

00:26:00 ◼   ► other fits into this this production I

00:26:03 ◼   ► thought that was really interesting

00:26:04 ◼   ► because I've always thought that there's

00:26:06 ◼   ► this there's this very important meta

00:26:10 ◼   ► skill which is knowing yourself like and

00:26:13 ◼   ► recognizing what you're good at and what

00:26:14 ◼   ► you're not good at that can be developed

00:26:17 ◼   ► and even just in that little section I

00:26:20 ◼   ► thought like man these are two guys who

00:26:21 ◼   ► know really well where their strengths

00:26:25 ◼   ► are and where their own weaknesses are

00:26:26 ◼   ► and and how they work together with each

00:26:28 ◼   ► other and you know it's like it's really

00:26:33 ◼   ► interesting because Matt stone in

00:26:34 ◼   ► particular is talking about a thing

00:26:36 ◼   ► that's really hard to talk about on

00:26:38 ◼   ► on camera where he's saying how Oh when

00:26:41 ◼   ► South Park was becoming popular he was

00:26:43 ◼   ► getting offered all these direct oral

00:26:45 ◼   ► jobs yes and he turns them down and he

00:26:49 ◼   ► turned it's like he turns them down

00:26:51 ◼   ► because he knows that that is not his

00:26:53 ◼   ► skill set

00:26:55 ◼   ► even though to the outsiders it seems

00:26:57 ◼   ► like oh the two of them are making South

00:26:59 ◼   ► Park together and they must be dividing

00:27:00 ◼   ► these things up equally and he

00:27:03 ◼   ► recognizes like he might be able to make

00:27:05 ◼   ► a few movies but ultimately it's not

00:27:07 ◼   ► it's not where he's strong and it just

00:27:10 ◼   ► it wouldn't really go anywhere I thought

00:27:11 ◼   ► like man that is just that is like such

00:27:15 ◼   ► an underappreciated skill in a person to

00:27:18 ◼   ► recognize that what many people would

00:27:22 ◼   ► think of is like oh this is an amazing

00:27:24 ◼   ► opportunity is actually a mistake that

00:27:27 ◼   ► that wouldn't be the thing to do and

00:27:30 ◼   ► that his time and energy are better

00:27:32 ◼   ► spent working with Trey on South Park

00:27:36 ◼   ► you know and it's really interesting

00:27:37 ◼   ► then they then they go talk to Trey like

00:27:39 ◼   ► and there's these situations where like

00:27:41 ◼   ► Trey is the louder personality but he's

00:27:44 ◼   ► not not confrontational in situations

00:27:46 ◼   ► where maybe he would need to be

00:27:48 ◼   ► confrontational like and then that's

00:27:49 ◼   ► where Matt stone steps up and you know I

00:27:52 ◼   ► just like how they both talk about this

00:27:54 ◼   ► this metaphor of like being the members

00:27:56 ◼   ► of the band and it's like yeah there's

00:27:58 ◼   ► there may be one person who looks like

00:27:59 ◼   ► they're more the lead person in the band

00:28:03 ◼   ► but the band is still the members like

00:28:06 ◼   ► you know one person can be the band the

00:28:08 ◼   ► band is the two of them I just thought

00:28:11 ◼   ► that I thought that was really

00:28:12 ◼   ► interesting and you could just see like

00:28:14 ◼   ► these are guys who work together a lot

00:28:17 ◼   ► and and really know where their

00:28:20 ◼   ► strengths lie whilst also remaining

00:28:22 ◼   ► friends like that cuz one of my favorite

00:28:24 ◼   ► examples of this is the Mythbusters are

00:28:27 ◼   ► you familiar with the story there no I'm

00:28:30 ◼   ► but I'm not sure what you're talking

00:28:32 ◼   ► about here so they especially Adam

00:28:35 ◼   ► Savage it gives more interviews than

00:28:37 ◼   ► this because he's more of a like a

00:28:38 ◼   ► public person he is someone who has

00:28:40 ◼   ► remained kind of in the spotlight since

00:28:42 ◼   ► Mythbusters ended and he said this is

00:28:45 ◼   ► fact they're not friends they seem to

00:28:48 ◼   ► not particularly like each other very

00:28:49 ◼   ► much one of the quote

00:28:52 ◼   ► step adam savage mentions a lot is that

00:28:54 ◼   ► they have never eaten a meal alone hmm

00:28:57 ◼   ► and they worked together for 10-15 years

00:29:00 ◼   ► something like that

00:29:01 ◼   ► Mythbusters was on the air for a long

00:29:03 ◼   ► time yeah and but before that Adam

00:29:05 ◼   ► Savage worked for Jamie like that's how

00:29:07 ◼   ► it started

00:29:08 ◼   ► like who's an employee his prop shop and

00:29:12 ◼   ► their part they just they can work

00:29:14 ◼   ► together incredibly well they know what

00:29:16 ◼   ► the other one is thinking they can have

00:29:19 ◼   ► a kind of like a language between the

00:29:21 ◼   ► two of them apparently they argued and

00:29:23 ◼   ► debated about every single point but

00:29:25 ◼   ► always at the end one of them knew that

00:29:27 ◼   ► the other was right and that was the way

00:29:28 ◼   ► that they work together and it's so

00:29:30 ◼   ► interesting to me because I can't

00:29:31 ◼   ► imagine that environment like I only

00:29:34 ◼   ► work with people I consider friends I

00:29:37 ◼   ► couldn't imagine being in that way but

00:29:41 ◼   ► what's going on is the same thing right

00:29:43 ◼   ► like they just know how the other one

00:29:45 ◼   ► works so like whether they're friends

00:29:47 ◼   ► like it doesn't matter because what you

00:29:48 ◼   ► actually need to know is to understand

00:29:49 ◼   ► yourself understand the other person and

00:29:52 ◼   ► their needs and then you can work

00:29:53 ◼   ► together over a long period of time that

00:29:56 ◼   ► I think people assume that you should

00:29:57 ◼   ► have to be friends with someone but I

00:29:59 ◼   ► think that they are a good example of

00:30:02 ◼   ► why you actually don't need to be you

00:30:05 ◼   ► just have to have the fundamentals of

00:30:06 ◼   ► what you'd consider a friendship but

00:30:08 ◼   ► they don't actually have to result in

00:30:10 ◼   ► being friends which I just find that

00:30:12 ◼   ► comparing to these two is very

00:30:14 ◼   ► interesting is that they it's all there

00:30:16 ◼   ► it's the same thing as then they know

00:30:17 ◼   ► the strengths and weaknesses and they

00:30:19 ◼   ► play to that they don't overstep and

00:30:21 ◼   ► they work within their boundaries it's

00:30:23 ◼   ► the same thing I didn't know that about

00:30:25 ◼   ► Mythbusters and I'm I'm willing to bet

00:30:28 ◼   ► that that I know like I don't want to

00:30:31 ◼   ► say it annoys but I bet I bet that's a

00:30:32 ◼   ► thing that bothers a lot of people I

00:30:34 ◼   ► think it does yeah when when you're

00:30:36 ◼   ► watching a show is like you want to

00:30:39 ◼   ► think that they're friends and that

00:30:42 ◼   ► they're hanging out

00:30:43 ◼   ► when I first found that out I was really

00:30:46 ◼   ► bummed out about it cuz I love yo I love

00:30:49 ◼   ► the show and they seem to work so great

00:30:50 ◼   ► together and I just assumed that they

00:30:52 ◼   ► were the best of friends so when you

00:30:54 ◼   ► hear that you're like oh no like they're

00:30:56 ◼   ► my buddies yeah I get I guess part of

00:31:00 ◼   ► this is also I think that people might

00:31:02 ◼   ► have a hard time a hard time

00:31:05 ◼   ► understanding that kind of professional

00:31:06 ◼   ► relationship or it's like are they

00:31:08 ◼   ► friends they but they don't have to be

00:31:09 ◼   ► friends but it doesn't mean that they

00:31:12 ◼   ► hate each other right like they're just

00:31:14 ◼   ► they're there they work together they

00:31:16 ◼   ► know how to work with each other but

00:31:18 ◼   ► that's that's interesting I could that's

00:31:20 ◼   ► interesting you hear that that's your

00:31:21 ◼   ► reaction because that's what I would

00:31:22 ◼   ► think most people would feel that way

00:31:24 ◼   ► where they're like oh I want to imagine

00:31:26 ◼   ► that everybody's friends that like they

00:31:27 ◼   ► and the whole crew sit down and have

00:31:29 ◼   ► birthday cakes together at the end of

00:31:31 ◼   ► each shoot I was like it but things

00:31:33 ◼   ► don't need to work that way especially

00:31:34 ◼   ► like in Hollywood right people don't

00:31:37 ◼   ► need to be friends they just need to be

00:31:39 ◼   ► able to work together but it is or at

00:31:43 ◼   ► least it comes across in this

00:31:44 ◼   ► documentary that that Trey Parker and

00:31:45 ◼   ► Matt Stone are clearly friends and also

00:31:52 ◼   ► you know thinking thinking of things

00:31:55 ◼   ► structurally it certainly seems like

00:31:58 ◼   ► South Park is able to be what South Park

00:32:01 ◼   ► is because Trey Parker and Matt Stone

00:32:04 ◼   ► are great friends and it seems like they

00:32:08 ◼   ► might not have a lot of friends in the

00:32:10 ◼   ► wider Hollywood world they reference

00:32:13 ◼   ► that yeah it's you know when people say

00:32:17 ◼   ► something like that in documentary I do

00:32:18 ◼   ► always wonder like how much do you

00:32:20 ◼   ► really mean it

00:32:20 ◼   ► but I can really believe it from these

00:32:23 ◼   ► two for everything that they have done

00:32:26 ◼   ► over the course of their careers but

00:32:29 ◼   ► it's like there's a there's an

00:32:30 ◼   ► interesting moment here because it

00:32:31 ◼   ► getting like South South Park will

00:32:34 ◼   ► really make fun of celebrities and

00:32:37 ◼   ► people in the public eye and in a way

00:32:39 ◼   ► that very few other shows will go like

00:32:42 ◼   ► as hard into it as South Park will but I

00:32:46 ◼   ► do think like it that doesn't just

00:32:48 ◼   ► happen it happens structurally because

00:32:51 ◼   ► of the personality of these two and

00:32:53 ◼   ► because they don't really have any

00:32:55 ◼   ► connections

00:32:57 ◼   ► with the wider Hollywood world that goes

00:32:59 ◼   ► so far as to reject it but the thing

00:33:01 ◼   ► that like really highlights that in the

00:33:03 ◼   ► documentary is that one of the writers

00:33:05 ◼   ► in the writers room works on Saturday

00:33:07 ◼   ► Night Live and explicitly says how oh

00:33:10 ◼   ► I'm sorry Night Live the the politics of

00:33:13 ◼   ► making fun of public people comes into

00:33:16 ◼   ► the writing of their skits and it's like

00:33:20 ◼   ► yeah like I can see that and I would

00:33:22 ◼   ► think like that's also probably one of

00:33:23 ◼   ► the reasons why at least to my tastes

00:33:25 ◼   ► South Park is way funnier than Saturday

00:33:28 ◼   ► Night Live and it's because Saturday

00:33:30 ◼   ► Night Live is structurally constrained

00:33:33 ◼   ► by the kinds of jokes they can make

00:33:35 ◼   ► because if they're making jokes about

00:33:37 ◼   ► public figures they can bet they're not

00:33:39 ◼   ► going to get that public figure to host

00:33:41 ◼   ► the show or if they're making jokes

00:33:44 ◼   ► about the public figure they have to be

00:33:45 ◼   ► within a certain bounds they can't go

00:33:47 ◼   ► too far in one direction or another but

00:33:51 ◼   ► it just it hadn't really occurred to me

00:33:54 ◼   ► until seeing that but it's like oh right

00:33:56 ◼   ► that makes total sense that that this is

00:34:00 ◼   ► structurally why the show is able to do

00:34:02 ◼   ► this and other comedies play it much

00:34:04 ◼   ► more safe when it comes to referencing

00:34:07 ◼   ► specific people in the real world but

00:34:10 ◼   ► South Park doesn't care because Matt and

00:34:12 ◼   ► Trey have nothing to lose it's like

00:34:14 ◼   ► they're not losing their friends they

00:34:15 ◼   ► don't have any friends in that world you

00:34:18 ◼   ► know they clearly thumbed their nose at

00:34:21 ◼   ► that world like they did at the was the

00:34:23 ◼   ► Oscars was that the party that they

00:34:26 ◼   ► showed the dresses it's interesting on

00:34:29 ◼   ► acid

00:34:30 ◼   ► it's funny I remember seeing that when

00:34:34 ◼   ► it happened and I was much younger and

00:34:36 ◼   ► just thought like oh those kinds of just

00:34:37 ◼   ► in dresses but watching the clip now as

00:34:39 ◼   ► an adult

00:34:40 ◼   ► particularly Trey Parker there's a

00:34:42 ◼   ► moment it's like dude you are so clearly

00:34:44 ◼   ► I and on drugs like I cannot believe

00:34:47 ◼   ► you're just showing up to the Oscars

00:34:49 ◼   ► like this but yeah that's that's how you

00:34:51 ◼   ► don't make any friends in the

00:34:53 ◼   ► professional world but yeah so I is very

00:34:56 ◼   ► interesting to watch seeing that whole

00:34:59 ◼   ► process seeing how long it takes to come

00:35:01 ◼   ► up with the ideas just as someone who's

00:35:04 ◼   ► watched the show it's also very

00:35:07 ◼   ► interesting to watch the the writer

00:35:09 ◼   ► process where

00:35:11 ◼   ► you can see them start to play with the

00:35:13 ◼   ► ideas and and they start to do the

00:35:16 ◼   ► voices and you can see then like come

00:35:18 ◼   ► together with the puzzle pieces of of

00:35:21 ◼   ► what the show should be like I have to

00:35:23 ◼   ► say it was very interesting to watch

00:35:25 ◼   ► that develop over time but towards the

00:35:29 ◼   ► very end the thing that I just could not

00:35:31 ◼   ► believe is that this episode was in the

00:35:35 ◼   ► end delivered five hours before the

00:35:40 ◼   ► broadcast time that that's that's when

00:35:43 ◼   ► they got the final render out of the

00:35:45 ◼   ► animation and it's like they hand a they

00:35:49 ◼   ► had to tape to a guy who brings it to

00:35:50 ◼   ► the the machine that's going to

00:35:52 ◼   ► broadcast it across Comedy Central and

00:35:54 ◼   ► it's like with a five hour five hours to

00:35:57 ◼   ► spare it's it's unbelievable that they

00:36:00 ◼   ► do it there's some guy in his car and

00:36:03 ◼   ► tries to over it's that way you know

00:36:10 ◼   ► just put it on a DVD and taking it there

00:36:11 ◼   ► I mean the thing that is worth mention

00:36:14 ◼   ► as well cuz I can imagine like if you're

00:36:15 ◼   ► not seeing this documentary they're like

00:36:17 ◼   ► how is that possible right because it's

00:36:19 ◼   ► such a racy edgy show like how can

00:36:21 ◼   ► Comedy Central allow it

00:36:23 ◼   ► well it seems like that they have

00:36:24 ◼   ► developed a system and a process where

00:36:26 ◼   ► the executive producer will have

00:36:28 ◼   ► multiple calls with the standards bodies

00:36:30 ◼   ► and of Comedy Central

00:36:34 ◼   ► all of the cuss words they're allowed to

00:36:35 ◼   ► use how many they're allowed to use

00:36:37 ◼   ► which ones they can replace for

00:36:38 ◼   ► something else what they complete what

00:36:40 ◼   ► they can't bleep and it ends up in just

00:36:43 ◼   ► this wild these wild phone calls that

00:36:46 ◼   ► you over here with and the the executive

00:36:48 ◼   ► producers name is and Gary Fino and it's

00:36:51 ◼   ► so funny to just watch her reading these

00:36:54 ◼   ► lines in like a totally deadpan way

00:36:56 ◼   ► she's using a boring corporate voice

00:36:59 ◼   ► discuss the details of exactly how

00:37:01 ◼   ► graphic they can be with their Human

00:37:03 ◼   ► Centipede and then it's just like well

00:37:06 ◼   ► you know happy Easter Bob right and

00:37:07 ◼   ► click something like that right is it

00:37:12 ◼   ► happy is it something like that yeah

00:37:14 ◼   ► just wishes them like a great afternoon

00:37:15 ◼   ► or it's just so strange but you can

00:37:18 ◼   ► imagine after 20 years there is no trust

00:37:21 ◼   ► bill up yeah right they kids they're not

00:37:24 ◼   ► gonna

00:37:24 ◼   ► do something so crazy that they would

00:37:26 ◼   ► get shut down like at that point they're

00:37:28 ◼   ► well enough no identity and I guess this

00:37:31 ◼   ► is like another sign of collaboration

00:37:33 ◼   ► that we don't get to see a lot of but

00:37:34 ◼   ► like how they work with Comedy Central

00:37:36 ◼   ► it's kind of is kind of strange so I

00:37:38 ◼   ► have a question for you right and I

00:37:39 ◼   ► think I know the answer to this but I

00:37:40 ◼   ► want to ask you anyway

00:37:41 ◼   ► could you work in this environment oh my

00:37:44 ◼   ► god now I'm kind of you know it's again

00:37:49 ◼   ► there's a thing there's a thing that I

00:37:52 ◼   ► sometimes think is underappreciated in

00:37:55 ◼   ► the world but that some people who are

00:37:58 ◼   ► very successful it is not obvious to

00:38:03 ◼   ► outsiders just how much of their life

00:38:08 ◼   ► they are burning on the thing that they

00:38:10 ◼   ► are successful with and I think this

00:38:12 ◼   ► documentary is a is a great view into

00:38:17 ◼   ► that of of just what these guys are

00:38:23 ◼   ► putting into this is just inhuman and

00:38:27 ◼   ► then when you add on top of it like

00:38:29 ◼   ► other side projects that they do you

00:38:32 ◼   ► know successful musicals other movies

00:38:35 ◼   ► the video games like like all of this

00:38:37 ◼   ► other stuff it's it's just crazy but it

00:38:42 ◼   ► gets them such an amazing level of

00:38:46 ◼   ► success and I know we were discussing

00:38:50 ◼   ► last time about the question a little

00:38:51 ◼   ► bit about oh just because you put in the

00:38:53 ◼   ► hours doesn't doesn't mean you're

00:38:55 ◼   ► successful even if someone even if a

00:38:57 ◼   ► genie could come along and could say to

00:38:59 ◼   ► me like oh if you put in the hours

00:39:02 ◼   ► you could be as successful as these - is

00:39:04 ◼   ► that something you would want to do I

00:39:05 ◼   ► would say no because I just this is a

00:39:09 ◼   ► place where I do know myself and I I

00:39:12 ◼   ► don't work well under deadlines I

00:39:14 ◼   ► couldn't possibly dedicate as much in

00:39:20 ◼   ► human time and energy as they do into

00:39:23 ◼   ► this so I feel like I know myself and

00:39:26 ◼   ► that I am much happier with a much

00:39:29 ◼   ► diminished relatively level of success

00:39:31 ◼   ► for for not having to produce

00:39:36 ◼   ► episodes within six days and having to

00:39:39 ◼   ► stay up until 5:00 in the morning and

00:39:41 ◼   ► pulling these all-nighters and eating

00:39:42 ◼   ► sad McDonald's and all the rest of it

00:39:44 ◼   ► it's just I couldn't I couldn't possibly

00:39:47 ◼   ► even if it meant it came with all the

00:39:49 ◼   ► rewards that it does would you Mike

00:39:51 ◼   ► which you took would you take that deal

00:39:54 ◼   ► contrary to almost everything else about

00:39:56 ◼   ► my personality and my disposition is a

00:39:59 ◼   ► human being

00:40:00 ◼   ► I have always worked and thrived in

00:40:04 ◼   ► crisis situations so especially when I

00:40:08 ◼   ► was working at the bank if something

00:40:10 ◼   ► went terribly wrong if there was

00:40:11 ◼   ► something that was going wrong I could

00:40:14 ◼   ► and always did work very well in those

00:40:16 ◼   ► environments like everything's crumbling

00:40:18 ◼   ► down how do you fix it

00:40:21 ◼   ► to the point that like if a team member

00:40:23 ◼   ► was having a crisis I would want to be

00:40:27 ◼   ► involved in it to help because I kind of

00:40:30 ◼   ► thrived on that pressure and the kind of

00:40:33 ◼   ► impending disaster it's very strange

00:40:35 ◼   ► because there is nothing else than what

00:40:37 ◼   ► my personality which would indicate that

00:40:38 ◼   ► I would enjoy this but I did yeah but I

00:40:41 ◼   ► think this is a trait that some people

00:40:42 ◼   ► just have yeah I and and I think you

00:40:44 ◼   ► have it and you know it doesn't it

00:40:47 ◼   ► doesn't it really doesn't gel with

00:40:48 ◼   ► anything else about the way that I work

00:40:49 ◼   ► because you know I could be a nervous

00:40:51 ◼   ► person I can be a warrior like it's very

00:40:53 ◼   ► strange that I have those two parts of

00:40:54 ◼   ► me but there they are so I don't think I

00:40:58 ◼   ► could work there for very long but I

00:41:01 ◼   ► think I could do it for a not tiny

00:41:03 ◼   ► period of time I think for a few years I

00:41:06 ◼   ► could I could work in that environment

00:41:08 ◼   ► and would enjoy the last 24 hours and

00:41:12 ◼   ► that's why I would keep coming why keep

00:41:14 ◼   ► putting it myself through it would be

00:41:16 ◼   ► for the last 24 hours

00:41:17 ◼   ► mm-hmm but I think I would burn out

00:41:20 ◼   ► often maybe two or three years of it

00:41:22 ◼   ► like I don't think I could do it for

00:41:23 ◼   ► long but I think it's something that I

00:41:25 ◼   ► could enjoy not that I ever want to work

00:41:27 ◼   ► in an environment like that necessarily

00:41:30 ◼   ► I'm not gonna seek it out but if I was

00:41:32 ◼   ► in it I think I would enjoy it but you

00:41:34 ◼   ► don't think you could do it for 20 plus

00:41:36 ◼   ► years

00:41:36 ◼   ► most definitely not I it's wild people

00:41:41 ◼   ► doing anything for that period of time

00:41:43 ◼   ► the same thing is astounding to me you

00:41:46 ◼   ► know I used to work with people that

00:41:47 ◼   ► have been in the same jobs in the same

00:41:49 ◼   ► places for 30 years

00:41:50 ◼   ► and I think it's an unbelievable thing

00:41:52 ◼   ► cuz I couldn't do that like I wouldn't

00:41:55 ◼   ► be able to stay just doing the same

00:41:57 ◼   ► thing and I find it astounding that they

00:42:00 ◼   ► have kept the same roles that they've

00:42:01 ◼   ► had for 20 years and like basically

00:42:03 ◼   ► uninterrupted that is a commitment that

00:42:07 ◼   ► I don't think I could have to something

00:42:09 ◼   ► like that I agree with you there I agree

00:42:12 ◼   ► with you there but I've got to say Mike

00:42:14 ◼   ► I'm glad you mentioned this a while back

00:42:16 ◼   ► as a thing that we should watch I feel

00:42:18 ◼   ► like I'm really happy that I saw it

00:42:19 ◼   ► mm-hmm

00:42:20 ◼   ► I hope for the people who did watch it

00:42:21 ◼   ► that they found it interesting even if

00:42:24 ◼   ► you're not necessarily a fan of South

00:42:26 ◼   ► Park and I would I would be curious if

00:42:29 ◼   ► the listeners out there do know of any

00:42:33 ◼   ► other documentaries in this kind of

00:42:35 ◼   ► genre of following people at work or

00:42:40 ◼   ► people who work on interesting things I

00:42:41 ◼   ► would love to hear some recommendation

00:42:43 ◼   ► yeah because I just I can't think of

00:42:46 ◼   ► anything else that's like this off the

00:42:49 ◼   ► top of my head and I'd be very curious

00:42:50 ◼   ► to see some more we could just do a

00:42:52 ◼   ► rewatch of the office looking for

00:43:01 ◼   ► something that's real wait I have bad

00:43:06 ◼   ► news for you my British office is not

00:43:07 ◼   ► real they're very different things yeah

00:43:12 ◼   ► the American office is more my style of

00:43:14 ◼   ► comedy in the British office today's

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00:45:54 ◼   ► year of order order no no Mike it's just

00:45:57 ◼   ► that don't say it like that so I said it

00:46:04 ◼   ► in a totally normal way which is the

00:46:06 ◼   ► year of order right that's that's the we

00:46:08 ◼   ► have a little update for that so my my

00:46:13 ◼   ► home office at this

00:46:15 ◼   ► moment is empty everything needs to be

00:46:18 ◼   ► redone

00:46:19 ◼   ► there's packages that have been

00:46:20 ◼   ► delivered to my glass cube all of that

00:46:23 ◼   ► is underway I want to get that stuff

00:46:25 ◼   ► finished are you up to three desks and

00:46:28 ◼   ► the cube now or we still did two there's

00:46:31 ◼   ► the two desks

00:46:32 ◼   ► why do you man

00:46:36 ◼   ► I just make a silly joke but it ends up

00:46:41 ◼   ► turning into like there's actually

00:46:42 ◼   ► something really going on yeah well do

00:46:48 ◼   ► really me already

00:46:49 ◼   ► now there's two desks in the glass cube

00:46:51 ◼   ► and I I think that they are going to end

00:46:55 ◼   ► up being two desks in the Home Office

00:46:57 ◼   ► but I need to I need to settle on that a

00:47:00 ◼   ► little bit more but more that happens we

00:47:05 ◼   ► spent so much time talking about like

00:47:07 ◼   ► the specifics of the one purpose of the

00:47:12 ◼   ► Home Office if it has two desks there's

00:47:16 ◼   ► two purposes no we can't get into this

00:47:20 ◼   ► now Mike we can't I refused to be

00:47:23 ◼   ► derailed on this because I still I still

00:47:25 ◼   ► have thoughts okay and and you cut me

00:47:29 ◼   ► off last time anyway with with

00:47:31 ◼   ► discussing the Home Office glass cube

00:47:34 ◼   ► situation I had so much important to

00:47:36 ◼   ► talk about what we have to bring that so

00:47:37 ◼   ► I I wondered if you notice ya know I'm

00:47:46 ◼   ► no fool I know exactly what you were

00:47:48 ◼   ► doing there was there was much more to

00:47:49 ◼   ► be discussed you have touched upon it

00:47:51 ◼   ► now but you know what I'm refusing to

00:47:53 ◼   ► talk about it I'm gonna I'm gonna let it

00:47:55 ◼   ► percolate I tried to write you out of

00:47:57 ◼   ► that right that was that being the

00:47:59 ◼   ► director so very subtle very subtle

00:48:03 ◼   ► thing Mike I didn't notice at all so

00:48:05 ◼   ► anyway we're just gonna skip that we're

00:48:07 ◼   ► just gonna Sherman

00:48:09 ◼   ► yeah so I don't I don't have a long

00:48:11 ◼   ► topic on the year of order but I did I

00:48:13 ◼   ► did just want to mention something

00:48:15 ◼   ► because I know something people are

00:48:16 ◼   ► interested in which is my eventual

00:48:22 ◼   ► return to full-on use of task managers

00:48:26 ◼   ► this year

00:48:28 ◼   ► this is a thing that's going to happen

00:48:30 ◼   ► at some point but I did just want to to

00:48:33 ◼   ► mention that I have been using things a

00:48:40 ◼   ► lot this year so this is things three is

00:48:43 ◼   ► the name as always with TAS managers and

00:48:45 ◼   ► timers you have to have these names that

00:48:46 ◼   ► are very difficult to talk about and

00:48:48 ◼   ► things is one of those it isn't as bad

00:48:49 ◼   ► as do you though a do is do is the worst

00:48:53 ◼   ► to do is close oh I saw another one I

00:48:58 ◼   ► saw another one there's something well

00:49:00 ◼   ► it was called like do but it was like do

00:49:01 ◼   ► oh I was like all your dooms you do a

00:49:03 ◼   ► start task manager one of my favorite

00:49:06 ◼   ► studies Ted you seen that right I don't

00:49:09 ◼   ► think I don't think I've seen that one

00:49:10 ◼   ► no te ux de UX oh yes I have seen that

00:49:16 ◼   ► you said yeah it's not yes but it's the

00:49:21 ◼   ► problem is there's so many task managers

00:49:22 ◼   ► right if you're trying to come up with a

00:49:23 ◼   ► name you're limited for things but it's

00:49:27 ◼   ► they all end up being relatively

00:49:29 ◼   ► ambiguous but hmm I did just want to

00:49:31 ◼   ► mention things because I've been using

00:49:35 ◼   ► it just just a little bit sort of very

00:49:38 ◼   ► informally to keep a record of some of

00:49:40 ◼   ► the projects that I have active but I

00:49:43 ◼   ► wouldn't say that I'm like I'm all in on

00:49:45 ◼   ► using it as a task manager I've just

00:49:46 ◼   ► been using it as kind of like a

00:49:47 ◼   ► placeholder like where do I write down

00:49:49 ◼   ► the things that I'm currently working on

00:49:51 ◼   ► but I have to say I just I'm really

00:49:54 ◼   ► impressed by it as a task manager I

00:49:57 ◼   ► think the the things three redesign like

00:50:00 ◼   ► for a long time I didn't touch things to

00:50:03 ◼   ► because it seemed like it was not

00:50:04 ◼   ► actively under development it hadn't

00:50:07 ◼   ► been updated in a really long time but

00:50:08 ◼   ► things three is just a really really

00:50:10 ◼   ► great update and I know on the show

00:50:14 ◼   ► previously I have said that my sort of

00:50:16 ◼   ► default task manager recommendation if I

00:50:18 ◼   ► don't know anything about a person is to

00:50:21 ◼   ► just use clear and said let go just just

00:50:23 ◼   ► run with clear but since I know they

00:50:26 ◼   ► have a new one in development but it

00:50:27 ◼   ► isn't available yet but right now I

00:50:30 ◼   ► think I would have to switch that to

00:50:32 ◼   ► things as if you want to get started

00:50:36 ◼   ► with the task manager and you don't know

00:50:38 ◼   ► where to begin

00:50:39 ◼   ► I really have to recommend things 3 as

00:50:41 ◼   ► the

00:50:42 ◼   ► to start it's just it's very simple it's

00:50:46 ◼   ► very beautiful and it has a couple of

00:50:49 ◼   ► really clever features in it that are

00:50:53 ◼   ► things that I originally thought like oh

00:50:54 ◼   ► I don't know about this but I have have

00:50:57 ◼   ► come to love and wish that other task

00:50:59 ◼   ► managers do like this there's the one

00:51:02 ◼   ► thing that is just so simple but when

00:51:04 ◼   ► you're laying out a project things gives

00:51:06 ◼   ► you this option to create little

00:51:09 ◼   ► subheadings and those subheadings aren't

00:51:12 ◼   ► tasks they're not anything they're just

00:51:15 ◼   ► a way that you can group something into

00:51:18 ◼   ► different areas and say like oh all of

00:51:19 ◼   ► these tasks go under this heading and

00:51:22 ◼   ► all of these tasks you under this

00:51:23 ◼   ► heading and it's it's so nice and

00:51:26 ◼   ► freeing to have a visual distinction

00:51:31 ◼   ► between things that doesn't also have a

00:51:33 ◼   ► meaning right like these things are not

00:51:35 ◼   ► sub projects or anything like that it's

00:51:38 ◼   ► just

00:51:38 ◼   ► oh here's here's some visual separation

00:51:40 ◼   ► between these different tasks what does

00:51:42 ◼   ► this visual separation mean nothing it

00:51:44 ◼   ► means nothing at all and they have a

00:51:46 ◼   ► very simple way to specify tasks that

00:51:49 ◼   ► you should be doing today which a lot of

00:51:51 ◼   ► task managers have but everybody have an

00:51:53 ◼   ► additional nice feature which is you can

00:51:55 ◼   ► specify oh this task is for this evening

00:51:59 ◼   ► and it just moves it down to the bottom

00:52:02 ◼   ► of the list just a lot of really really

00:52:04 ◼   ► nice touches and have to say I'm very

00:52:06 ◼   ► impressed with it and I like it a lot as

00:52:08 ◼   ► a simple task manager that isn't

00:52:12 ◼   ► completely stripped back I don't know

00:52:16 ◼   ► have you played with it at all Mike or

00:52:18 ◼   ► are you totally unfamiliar with things

00:52:20 ◼   ► no enough of my friends have been

00:52:22 ◼   ► gushing over it that I decided to give

00:52:26 ◼   ► it a try

00:52:27 ◼   ► I know titi likes it a lot were talking

00:52:29 ◼   ► about things yes and that's why I

00:52:31 ◼   ► decided to give it a go just because of

00:52:33 ◼   ► how much she's been enjoying it and I

00:52:35 ◼   ► know that Steven tried it and he liked

00:52:37 ◼   ► it but it ultimately didn't work for him

00:52:39 ◼   ► and I've played around a bit very little

00:52:42 ◼   ► but I know it's not the right app for me

00:52:45 ◼   ► just for a couple of reasons the main

00:52:49 ◼   ► one being the way in which you select

00:52:52 ◼   ► dates and alerts is so cumbersome

00:52:55 ◼   ► it's it feels very clunky to me after

00:52:58 ◼   ► having used to doest loop for so long

00:53:01 ◼   ► because todoist

00:53:02 ◼   ► it's all natural language and once you

00:53:07 ◼   ► get used to typing in take-out-the-trash

00:53:09 ◼   ► at 4 p.m. pound sign personal and then

00:53:13 ◼   ► what that does is takes the task puts a

00:53:15 ◼   ► reminder in and an alert for 4 o'clock

00:53:17 ◼   ► and it puts it in my personal project

00:53:19 ◼   ► group that's wonderful and all of that

00:53:21 ◼   ► in things you're hitting a bunch of

00:53:23 ◼   ► buttons in here a bunch of dropdowns and

00:53:25 ◼   ► they're repeating tasks UI is not good

00:53:29 ◼   ► yeah I loved the design and some of the

00:53:34 ◼   ► thoughts behind it I mean it is a

00:53:36 ◼   ► beautiful iPhone app in which to duyst

00:53:39 ◼   ► is kind of like just a decent-looking

00:53:41 ◼   ► cross-platform application right like

00:53:43 ◼   ► that's how even decent there I'm I feel

00:53:46 ◼   ► like that's it's fine right like it's

00:53:49 ◼   ► not offensive because it's so plain I'm

00:53:51 ◼   ► not saying it's offensive but it's not

00:53:53 ◼   ► great it's not great but ultimately what

00:53:55 ◼   ► I'm looking for my task manager is the

00:53:58 ◼   ► functionality either I want as opposed

00:54:00 ◼   ► to do with the design and whilst things

00:54:03 ◼   ► design is wonderful they're missing a

00:54:06 ◼   ► bunch of things I mean and also like

00:54:08 ◼   ► whilst I don't use a ton ton of it like

00:54:10 ◼   ► having the Web API stuff is important to

00:54:12 ◼   ► me now because I like to have things go

00:54:14 ◼   ► in on their own and just as an option

00:54:16 ◼   ► for the future I don't really show that

00:54:18 ◼   ► sort of stuff off but I've tried things

00:54:19 ◼   ► I don't know if it would be my

00:54:21 ◼   ► recommendation for people but I but I

00:54:24 ◼   ► can see why it would be somebody's if

00:54:27 ◼   ► that makes sense like what's not what I

00:54:28 ◼   ► would give I would still recommend

00:54:29 ◼   ► todoist especially because to-do list

00:54:32 ◼   ► you can try for free I don't even think

00:54:34 ◼   ► things has a subscription plan and it is

00:54:37 ◼   ► a in the world of applications a

00:54:39 ◼   ► relatively expensive application and you

00:54:42 ◼   ► have to buy it on all platforms

00:54:43 ◼   ► individually but it is beautiful and if

00:54:48 ◼   ► you are if you really care about design

00:54:50 ◼   ► in your applications like you really

00:54:51 ◼   ► really care then this is probably the

00:54:53 ◼   ► one you should try I agree that I would

00:54:57 ◼   ► have a hard time if I had to use that as

00:55:00 ◼   ► my main and only task manager forever

00:55:03 ◼   ► that the limitations I would find really

00:55:05 ◼   ► frustrating but there's two things here

00:55:07 ◼   ► I find I always find it an inch

00:55:09 ◼   ► a thought experiment about if you had to

00:55:12 ◼   ► make a recommendation and you didn't

00:55:14 ◼   ► know anything about the person like what

00:55:16 ◼   ► would you recommend if you knew someone

00:55:19 ◼   ► was going to buy Mac but you didn't know

00:55:21 ◼   ► anything about them like what would you

00:55:23 ◼   ► recommend is the default knife I guess

00:55:24 ◼   ► this is an interesting thought

00:55:25 ◼   ► experiment and I feel like things is my

00:55:28 ◼   ► task manager' recommendation if I didn't

00:55:30 ◼   ► know anything about the person what

00:55:32 ◼   ► would I do what would do that but also I

00:55:34 ◼   ► just want to recommend it because I have

00:55:36 ◼   ► really enjoyed it because I think that

00:55:39 ◼   ► there are times when the limitations are

00:55:41 ◼   ► helpful it's the very fact that things

00:55:44 ◼   ► is lacking some of the more complicated

00:55:47 ◼   ► features that has while I'm still

00:55:49 ◼   ► feeling out the edges of what does the

00:55:52 ◼   ► year of order mean it's forcing me to be

00:55:56 ◼   ► more limited in what I'm actually

00:55:59 ◼   ► keeping track of right now and it's the

00:56:01 ◼   ► same reason why if someone has no

00:56:03 ◼   ► experience with task managers whatsoever

00:56:05 ◼   ► I always recommend someone just starts

00:56:07 ◼   ► with paper like just get a notebook and

00:56:09 ◼   ► paper and write things down because you

00:56:12 ◼   ► don't even know where you want to begin

00:56:13 ◼   ► and like force yourself with the

00:56:15 ◼   ► simplicity of that before we move on

00:56:17 ◼   ► from this topic do you have any thoughts

00:56:20 ◼   ► about OmniFocus 3 like the upcoming

00:56:23 ◼   ► announcements and stuff of OmniFocus 3

00:56:25 ◼   ► yeah well well this is this is one of

00:56:28 ◼   ► the questions right if I can't stick

00:56:30 ◼   ► with things for forever where am I gonna

00:56:33 ◼   ► go and then and we see on the horizon

00:56:35 ◼   ► there how many focus and the thing I

00:56:39 ◼   ► love about OmniFocus they're their

00:56:40 ◼   ► strongest suit as always is hiding from

00:56:44 ◼   ► you the things that you can do nothing

00:56:47 ◼   ► about right now that to me is such a

00:56:49 ◼   ► killer feature it's why I always I

00:56:52 ◼   ► always come back to OmniFocus and I'm

00:56:55 ◼   ► always happy when they publish their

00:56:57 ◼   ► roadmap at the beginning of the year

00:56:59 ◼   ► because of course I'm intensely

00:57:01 ◼   ► interested in what they're doing and

00:57:02 ◼   ► especially having been away from task

00:57:05 ◼   ► managers for so long I feel like I'm

00:57:07 ◼   ► coming back to it with different eyes

00:57:09 ◼   ► one of the things I'm really really glad

00:57:12 ◼   ► to see that OmniFocus is doing they are

00:57:15 ◼   ► finally getting rid of the concept of

00:57:19 ◼   ► contexts and replacing them

00:57:22 ◼   ► with tags I feel like that is there is a

00:57:24 ◼   ► huge improvement so that you can have a

00:57:27 ◼   ► task and you can put an arbitrary number

00:57:29 ◼   ► of tags associated with it rather than

00:57:33 ◼   ► having to pick a single context which

00:57:36 ◼   ► they discuss on their blog post that

00:57:38 ◼   ► this is this is a thing that as time has

00:57:41 ◼   ► gone on that people who are unfamiliar

00:57:43 ◼   ► with getting things done have a hard

00:57:45 ◼   ► time understanding like this concept of

00:57:47 ◼   ► what is a context supposed to be and

00:57:49 ◼   ► I've always argued that I think in as

00:57:52 ◼   ► time has gone on one of the ways that

00:57:54 ◼   ► getting things done has not held up is

00:57:57 ◼   ► this idea that your work is so clearly

00:58:01 ◼   ► defined by the physical world and like

00:58:03 ◼   ► that just and that was what context grow

00:58:05 ◼   ► out of is this idea of these physical

00:58:07 ◼   ► constraints it's like we just kind of

00:58:09 ◼   ► don't live in that world anymore I think

00:58:12 ◼   ► this doesn't make sense for most people

00:58:14 ◼   ► the way it used to so I got to say I am

00:58:16 ◼   ► really really glad that they're bringing

00:58:18 ◼   ► in tags and they're ditching contexts

00:58:21 ◼   ► I'm super happy about that there's a

00:58:24 ◼   ► bunch of other great features I like it

00:58:25 ◼   ► it looks like they're improving

00:58:26 ◼   ► notifications they're changing around

00:58:28 ◼   ► the design which I think can be improved

00:58:31 ◼   ► they're working on automation of course

00:58:33 ◼   ► I always love automation there is one

00:58:35 ◼   ► question though that I have from reading

00:58:38 ◼   ► this blog post I was reading a section

00:58:40 ◼   ► real close as I can't quite figure out

00:58:43 ◼   ► what do you mean by this omni group and

00:58:46 ◼   ► it is their section on how dates are

00:58:51 ◼   ► managed with OmniFocus because I love

00:58:54 ◼   ► OmniFocus but the one thing that really

00:58:57 ◼   ► kills me sometimes is the way that at

00:59:00 ◼   ► least currently they handled dates where

00:59:03 ◼   ► there's this strange thing where if you

00:59:05 ◼   ► have a task and you assign a due date to

00:59:08 ◼   ► it it remembers what time zone you're in

00:59:12 ◼   ► when you assign that due date but

00:59:15 ◼   ► there's no way to modify or change that

00:59:17 ◼   ► time zone and I think had I been using

00:59:22 ◼   ► OmniFocus over the previous year with

00:59:24 ◼   ► the amount of travel that I have have

00:59:26 ◼   ► been doing that would have driven me

00:59:28 ◼   ► crazy because I was just constantly in

00:59:31 ◼   ► different time zones or working with

00:59:33 ◼   ► different things I'd like to have

00:59:35 ◼   ► that have this invisible time zone

00:59:37 ◼   ► associated with them would be madness

00:59:40 ◼   ► and my whole system revolves around the

00:59:43 ◼   ► idea of gray master time that almost

00:59:47 ◼   ► every single one of my tasks is due or

00:59:52 ◼   ► needs to be done relative to me and my

00:59:56 ◼   ► time not relative to like what is the

00:59:56 ◼   ► time not relative to like what is the

01:00:00 ◼   ► time in California right now or what is

01:00:01 ◼   ► the time in New York and this is one of

01:00:03 ◼   ► the reasons that I love and used to do

01:00:05 ◼   ► list because if you do this when you

01:00:07 ◼   ► arrive in a new place it asks you do you

01:00:09 ◼   ► want to change to this your task to this

01:00:11 ◼   ► time zone and if you say yes if you add

01:00:14 ◼   ► a task it was going off at 12 o'clock in

01:00:16 ◼   ► London it will go off at 12 o'clock in

01:00:18 ◼   ► New York right like just full it just

01:00:21 ◼   ► changes all of your task times for you

01:00:23 ◼   ► to do it is great because it asks the

01:00:26 ◼   ► vast majority of task manager systems

01:00:29 ◼   ► don't even ask they just assume that the

01:00:33 ◼   ► time is relative to wherever you are so

01:00:36 ◼   ► like if you said if you set a reminder

01:00:38 ◼   ► and Apple say like go remind me about a

01:00:39 ◼   ► thing at 2:00 p.m. and you get on a

01:00:41 ◼   ► flight and change time zones in the mean

01:00:43 ◼   ► time it'll remind you at 2:00 p.m.

01:00:44 ◼   ► wherever you landed and it's same thing

01:00:47 ◼   ► with things

01:00:47 ◼   ► same thing with almost every single task

01:00:49 ◼   ► manager I've ever used it's just

01:00:50 ◼   ► OmniFocus has this one this like weird

01:00:53 ◼   ► feature and they they do discuss in

01:00:55 ◼   ► their article talking about how the

01:00:56 ◼   ► dates are going to change that

01:00:58 ◼   ► currently there are five different times

01:01:00 ◼   ► that are tracked with each task but the

01:01:04 ◼   ► user only has access to two of them and

01:01:05 ◼   ► I'm wondering like what the heck are

01:01:07 ◼   ► those other two I don't understand but

01:01:10 ◼   ► so anyway I am deeply deeply hoping that

01:01:14 ◼   ► this is addressed that OmniFocus that

01:01:18 ◼   ► you can set a task to be a floating task

01:01:21 ◼   ► that it does not have a time zone again

01:01:24 ◼   ► not not least because I'm still looking

01:01:26 ◼   ► at this year where there's going to be a

01:01:27 ◼   ► lot of travel ahead and if if this

01:01:33 ◼   ► hasn't been addressed I'm going to need

01:01:35 ◼   ► to figure out what is it that I'm going

01:01:38 ◼   ► to do with my task management system but

01:01:41 ◼   ► if it has been addressed and I feel like

01:01:43 ◼   ► almost almost certainly a couple months

01:01:45 ◼   ► from now I'll be telling you about like

01:01:47 ◼   ► oh this this system that I've set up in

01:01:48 ◼   ► OmniFocus but in general though

01:01:51 ◼   ► OmniFocus like it looks really great the

01:01:53 ◼   ► roadmap and the things that they're

01:01:55 ◼   ► doing I hope to god that they fix the

01:01:57 ◼   ► time zone thing they're doing a really

01:01:59 ◼   ► interesting idea with collaborations I'm

01:02:01 ◼   ► just I'm very curious to see where it

01:02:04 ◼   ► goes and I think it's I think it's just

01:02:05 ◼   ► a great piece of software although I

01:02:08 ◼   ► think also a custom icon wouldn't go

01:02:09 ◼   ► astray

01:02:10 ◼   ► yeah custom icons huh how are those

01:02:13 ◼   ► working for you well you know Mike I

01:02:16 ◼   ► think the thing is a custom icon you

01:02:18 ◼   ► need custom icons all apps should offer

01:02:21 ◼   ► custom icon colors because when you're

01:02:25 ◼   ► trying to arrange a home screen colors

01:02:27 ◼   ► are very important can't have too many

01:02:29 ◼   ► of the same colors near each other or if

01:02:31 ◼   ► their color is that you don't like you

01:02:32 ◼   ► don't want them on your home screen so

01:02:34 ◼   ► custom icons very important for home

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01:05:10 ◼   ► just mention it mention why not just

01:05:12 ◼   ► throw home screen arrangement around as

01:05:15 ◼   ► a phrase you know you have to give it up

01:05:18 ◼   ► let's see what you got we have not

01:05:20 ◼   ► exchanged our home screens since we

01:05:22 ◼   ► moved to the iPhone 10 it feels like we

01:05:24 ◼   ► do home screens every week I help you do

01:05:27 ◼   ► this all the time this already once a

01:05:30 ◼   ► year we do this and I want to see if the

01:05:35 ◼   ► iPhone 10 has changed things for you I

01:05:37 ◼   ► will mention that the the wallpaper the

01:05:41 ◼   ► core-tex wallpaper that the wonderful

01:05:44 ◼   ► designer forgotten tale put together for

01:05:46 ◼   ► us was painstakingly updated for the

01:05:49 ◼   ► iPhone 10 like I was helping him out

01:05:54 ◼   ► with it and we were trying to get it to

01:05:56 ◼   ► just work just right it has been

01:05:58 ◼   ► painstakingly updated so it aligns

01:06:00 ◼   ► properly so you know I know a lot of

01:06:03 ◼   ► people like that wallpaper and it's

01:06:05 ◼   ► still available and there is now a true

01:06:07 ◼   ► black version ooh nice on the OLED

01:06:10 ◼   ► screens it is black it's not blue or

01:06:13 ◼   ► gray anymore so that's the thing that is

01:06:16 ◼   ► available there are a couple of options

01:06:17 ◼   ► and that's still available for free and

01:06:20 ◼   ► I'll put a link in our show notes if you

01:06:22 ◼   ► want to grab that but it has been

01:06:23 ◼   ► updated so if you have an iPhone 10 then

01:06:26 ◼   ► you may want to you may want to check it

01:06:28 ◼   ► out so okay let's exchange home screens

01:06:31 ◼   ► here okay Mike I've sent you I've shown

01:06:33 ◼   ► you my home screen it's time for you to

01:06:34 ◼   ► show me yours oh you've done a whole bit

01:06:36 ◼   ► thing again oh my gosh I haven't done a

01:06:40 ◼   ► whole big thing I have not done the

01:06:42 ◼   ► whole big thing again and what you have

01:06:44 ◼   ► just sent me you have no right to talk

01:06:46 ◼   ► about ugly yeah I don't know no no I'm

01:06:53 ◼   ► like I feel like we're starting all over

01:06:55 ◼   ► again this is like the first time we

01:06:57 ◼   ► exchanged home screens my home screen

01:07:00 ◼   ► looks like how people's home screens

01:07:02 ◼   ► look it's a wallpaper and there's a

01:07:05 ◼   ► bunch of apps yours is like oh here's a

01:07:08 ◼   ► grid of 12 smack bang in the middle of

01:07:11 ◼   ► the phone yeah your home screen looks

01:07:13 ◼   ► like people's home screens look like

01:07:14 ◼   ► which is what garbage looks like and

01:07:16 ◼   ► it's not the comparison you're like oh

01:07:18 ◼   ► my screen looks like most people's

01:07:19 ◼   ► because I always peer over everybody's

01:07:22 ◼   ► shoulders to see what their home screens

01:07:23 ◼   ► look like and most people's home screens

01:07:25 ◼   ► make me want to vomit and this is this

01:07:31 ◼   ► very busy mic this is a real real busy

01:07:33 ◼   ► screen just a full screen it's it's very

01:07:36 ◼   ► it's very colorful so yeah this is a

01:07:40 ◼   ► special members-only really I found

01:07:43 ◼   ► wallpaper that I have so if you want to

01:07:46 ◼   ► get that wallpaper you have to be a real

01:07:48 ◼   ► AFN member we have a whole pack of

01:07:49 ◼   ► wallpapers and this is one from the

01:07:51 ◼   ► remaster podcast that I do and I love it

01:07:53 ◼   ► very much it's nice and bright I spent a

01:07:56 ◼   ► long time trying to get it aligned it's

01:07:57 ◼   ► not perfect but it's as close as I can

01:07:59 ◼   ► make it happen yeah I think I like the

01:08:03 ◼   ► remaster artwork retro video game fan

01:08:07 ◼   ► globe it's sort of Trani and also Epcot

01:08:11 ◼   ► Center II it's the remaster artwork one

01:08:14 ◼   ► of the best artworks on the whole of the

01:08:16 ◼   ► relay Network I don't like that you've

01:08:19 ◼   ► just zoomed in on the central part so

01:08:23 ◼   ► that it's it's just this is how gross is

01:08:26 ◼   ► horrible look this is just a wallpaper

01:08:29 ◼   ► you you know you've chosen this and it's

01:08:35 ◼   ► I'm not a fan not a fan at all I think

01:08:37 ◼   ► it's it's really ugly I never expected

01:08:40 ◼   ► you to be a fan but I think that you are

01:08:42 ◼   ► working with some grotesquerie right now

01:08:44 ◼   ► with this situation you've got going on

01:08:46 ◼   ► why is everything in the middle okay

01:08:50 ◼   ► can can I wait before before we get that

01:08:52 ◼   ► can I can we just we need to focus on

01:08:54 ◼   ► you from huh okay it's ugly

01:08:58 ◼   ► we can just get past that make sure um I

01:09:02 ◼   ► mean I mean look at Mike it's like

01:09:04 ◼   ► you're trying to pick all of the colors

01:09:06 ◼   ► in the world because you've also gone

01:09:07 ◼   ► with a custom P calc icon which has the

01:09:09 ◼   ► rainbows around it yeah you've chosen

01:09:11 ◼   ► icons to make more colors all over the

01:09:14 ◼   ► place oh my color again it's clown vomit

01:09:19 ◼   ► the only one you've actually gone the

01:09:20 ◼   ► other way with is the bear icon you've

01:09:22 ◼   ► chosen the the black black and white

01:09:24 ◼   ► bear you don't choose the argument I

01:09:27 ◼   ► choose the theme Michael I wish they

01:09:29 ◼   ► would separate those two things because

01:09:32 ◼   ► right there developers if you're

01:09:34 ◼   ► listening that the fact that you have to

01:09:36 ◼   ► choose your theme and your icon at the

01:09:38 ◼   ► same time and they have to match is

01:09:39 ◼   ► crazy I want I want a big bear icon and

01:09:43 ◼   ► the true black theme in the inside the

01:09:46 ◼   ► application that's one yeah I have

01:09:50 ◼   ► definitely moved back towards all color

01:09:52 ◼   ► again I'm in an old color season for

01:09:55 ◼   ► whatever reason it's the reason for the

01:09:57 ◼   ► colored season that's where I am right

01:09:59 ◼   ► now I can't explain why very Wonka here

01:10:03 ◼   ► okay it's Bru it's the season for colors

01:10:05 ◼   ► okay why is it so full like what why

01:10:12 ◼   ► have you just why have you felt the need

01:10:14 ◼   ► to use them every single space a lot of

01:10:18 ◼   ► things to think about I need access to

01:10:20 ◼   ► stuff immediately yes there will be

01:10:22 ◼   ► there I mean there are a couple of

01:10:24 ◼   ► applications that I don't necessarily

01:10:26 ◼   ► need on the home screen but then it's

01:10:27 ◼   ► gonna throw it out of whack balance wise

01:10:29 ◼   ► right I have like maybe one or two that

01:10:31 ◼   ► I would move away but then yeah there's

01:10:33 ◼   ► always a bit of balance you know so

01:10:35 ◼   ► there are a couple in there in here that

01:10:37 ◼   ► I probably don't need to be there but I

01:10:39 ◼   ► look at my home screen every now and

01:10:41 ◼   ► then and I evaluate and there is nothing

01:10:43 ◼   ► I would take off that screen right now

01:10:45 ◼   ► okay and we have covered many of these

01:10:49 ◼   ► apps many times but I also feel that

01:10:51 ◼   ► this is there's a few on here that I

01:10:56 ◼   ► have no idea what these things are

01:10:58 ◼   ► what is pipedrive Oh pipe drive is a

01:11:00 ◼   ► sales management CRM tool uh-huh

01:11:04 ◼   ► right okay yes that's my that's my big

01:11:06 ◼   ► my big grown up adult application right

01:11:09 ◼   ► my discussed that my corporate sales app

01:11:12 ◼   ► right with the mandatory lowercase

01:11:14 ◼   ► letter logo okay great yeah

01:11:16 ◼   ► what is anchor okay so anchor is audio

01:11:21 ◼   ► social network they respond sir and

01:11:24 ◼   ► relay FM and I've been playing around

01:11:26 ◼   ► with their application so okay alright

01:11:29 ◼   ► too much but yeah there is a cool app I

01:11:32 ◼   ► like it okay and canary

01:11:35 ◼   ► I don't know canary canary is my home

01:11:37 ◼   ► security system oh right okay right so

01:11:40 ◼   ► that's that that's the home security

01:11:41 ◼   ► camera little bus that we call him

01:11:44 ◼   ► you're right that makes sense yeah I

01:11:46 ◼   ► bust the criminals I'm calling Busta

01:11:48 ◼   ► little name right he's busting busting

01:11:50 ◼   ► criminals all day it's crime crime

01:11:51 ◼   ► busting she's just me walking around

01:11:53 ◼   ► though honestly like 1:30 in the morning

01:11:56 ◼   ► fussing you tell me again I see you're

01:11:59 ◼   ► also a cool guy who's on not one not two

01:12:01 ◼   ► but three test flights with these apps

01:12:04 ◼   ► you see that City Instagram want up

01:12:06 ◼   ► there look at me now I'm super fancy no

01:12:08 ◼   ► I know that's that's the thing it's like

01:12:09 ◼   ► ooh you're on the histogram test why

01:12:11 ◼   ► isn't somebody fancy I know these people

01:12:15 ◼   ► just need my good opinions you know they

01:12:20 ◼   ► certainly don't need your good designed

01:12:21 ◼   ► opinions though that's that's for sure

01:12:23 ◼   ► oh yeah okay yeah this just expansive

01:12:27 ◼   ► disgusting just darkness with these I

01:12:30 ◼   ► just I couldn't I couldn't I couldn't

01:12:33 ◼   ► possibly look at this purple monstrosity

01:12:35 ◼   ► all the folders with one application in

01:12:38 ◼   ► them and a bunch of dots great it

01:12:44 ◼   ► doesn't scream and his it's barely such

01:12:48 ◼   ► a missed balance of color as well like

01:12:50 ◼   ► the three molt like green applications

01:12:53 ◼   ► and there will kind of spread out

01:12:54 ◼   ► weirdly and then there's green in the

01:12:57 ◼   ► maps icon yeah yeah I'll give you that

01:12:59 ◼   ► the green the green is a thing that

01:13:01 ◼   ► needs to be worked on but that is partly

01:13:03 ◼   ► bears fault

01:13:04 ◼   ► like I can't choose the color bear icon

01:13:06 ◼   ► that I want which has like knock-on

01:13:07 ◼   ► effects so yeah I agree this this screen

01:13:11 ◼   ► is not what I want the final version of

01:13:13 ◼   ► it to be but I think it is clearly way

01:13:15 ◼   ► better than your

01:13:16 ◼   ► disgusting homescreen disagree what what

01:13:18 ◼   ► are you using filmic perfil okay well

01:13:20 ◼   ► let me let me let me paint it let me

01:13:22 ◼   ► paint a word picture for the people Mike

01:13:23 ◼   ► no people no no cuz you're gonna paint

01:13:26 ◼   ► it nicely people need to just go to AA

01:13:28 ◼   ► showing us and open this horrific image

01:13:30 ◼   ► that I've been put in front of my eyes

01:13:32 ◼   ► with just this weirdo square or

01:13:35 ◼   ► applications sitting in the middle of

01:13:37 ◼   ► this screen it's such a waste

01:13:39 ◼   ► such a waste yeah so rather than junk up

01:13:42 ◼   ► my home screen and take every available

01:13:45 ◼   ► slot like I'm some kind of app hoarder I

01:13:48 ◼   ► have I have chosen instead to do a

01:13:52 ◼   ► little bit of a four by four grid of

01:13:55 ◼   ► apps on my phone I don't need all of

01:13:57 ◼   ► those slots occupied hmm space is a

01:14:00 ◼   ► luxury Mike and so I have luxurious

01:14:03 ◼   ► space on my phone how are you doing this

01:14:06 ◼   ► by the way well what you are about what

01:14:09 ◼   ► you're asking here is I have the grid

01:14:11 ◼   ► centered on the phone because with the

01:14:16 ◼   ► iPhone 10 and with the OLED screen black

01:14:20 ◼   ► backgrounds just look fantastic like the

01:14:23 ◼   ► black levels are great it makes

01:14:25 ◼   ► everything else pop and that's always a

01:14:27 ◼   ► thing I've really liked about the

01:14:28 ◼   ► backgrounds that I choose is trying to

01:14:30 ◼   ► pick backgrounds that highlight the

01:14:33 ◼   ► applications that don't detract and I

01:14:36 ◼   ► don't know if I'm going to stick with it

01:14:38 ◼   ► indefinitely but I have been enjoying

01:14:41 ◼   ► the pure black background as a novelty

01:14:43 ◼   ► with iPhone X and because it's pure

01:14:49 ◼   ► black it now allows me to use that trick

01:14:53 ◼   ► where you can put fake icons above the

01:14:58 ◼   ► actual apps so all I did was I made a

01:15:01 ◼   ► fake icon in workflow where it's just

01:15:05 ◼   ► purely black color and then I added that

01:15:08 ◼   ► to the homescreen so there's there's

01:15:09 ◼   ► four like dummy apps with invisible

01:15:12 ◼   ► names that are taking up the top row

01:15:15 ◼   ► just to move the grid down so that it's

01:15:19 ◼   ► centered on the screen if you can have

01:15:21 ◼   ► the invisible names why do you have the

01:15:22 ◼   ► dots there for the folders I have the

01:15:27 ◼   ► dots there for the folders because

01:15:29 ◼   ► I think it looks visually on like if I

01:15:33 ◼   ► could if I could I wish I could add an

01:15:36 ◼   ► accessibility feature on iPhone called

01:15:40 ◼   ► your app names are dumb and I don't want

01:15:42 ◼   ► to see them especially because they

01:15:44 ◼   ► turned off the names of the apps in the

01:15:46 ◼   ► dock I know if it's it drives me crazy

01:15:49 ◼   ► like again every time I see that the app

01:15:53 ◼   ► names I just I feel like those app name

01:15:55 ◼   ► czar there for idiots and and it's like

01:15:56 ◼   ► yeah anyone who uses their phone any

01:15:58 ◼   ► amount of time knows what the icons are

01:16:01 ◼   ► nobody is reading it and going like me

01:16:02 ◼   ► hmm

01:16:03 ◼   ► where did my calendar go it's so stupid

01:16:13 ◼   ► it's so stupid and I hate it I hate it

01:16:16 ◼   ► so much I've hated it since the dawn of

01:16:19 ◼   ► the iPhone having the stupid words

01:16:21 ◼   ► especially when some of them don't fit

01:16:23 ◼   ► and they like do the little dot that is

01:16:25 ◼   ► a problem of being with so many cool guy

01:16:27 ◼   ► betas is that sometimes they're little

01:16:29 ◼   ► yeah you run out of space don't squish

01:16:31 ◼   ► is the name up you know that can be a

01:16:33 ◼   ► real problem it is if but it really is

01:16:35 ◼   ► it really is a real problem so while in

01:16:38 ◼   ► theory you would think oh you hate these

01:16:41 ◼   ► words so you wouldn't want to have

01:16:43 ◼   ► anything below the folders the four

01:16:44 ◼   ► folders on the top I find that I tried

01:16:47 ◼   ► it by putting invisible names in those

01:16:49 ◼   ► folders but then it just looks visually

01:16:51 ◼   ► unbalanced because all of the icons have

01:16:53 ◼   ► something below them these stupid words

01:16:57 ◼   ► so I feel like I need something below

01:16:59 ◼   ► the folders otherwise it just looks like

01:17:01 ◼   ► there's too much space between the top

01:17:03 ◼   ► row and the next row so I put the dots

01:17:05 ◼   ► there because I find them the least

01:17:07 ◼   ► visually intrusive and that that's why

01:17:09 ◼   ► they're there it's just as visual

01:17:10 ◼   ► balance but they don't have any real

01:17:12 ◼   ► function you ever tried emoji I tried it

01:17:16 ◼   ► once but there's a problem that I don't

01:17:19 ◼   ► I'm not a fan of the design of the Apple

01:17:21 ◼   ► emojis I think they look dumb and I

01:17:23 ◼   ► found them just more distracting to have

01:17:27 ◼   ► on the home screen there are places

01:17:29 ◼   ► where I use emojis actually do use

01:17:31 ◼   ► emojis a lot in my time tracking system

01:17:32 ◼   ► with toggle so that I can

01:17:35 ◼   ► like visually identify stuff faster than

01:17:37 ◼   ► reading but it works there but I don't

01:17:40 ◼   ► like them on the home screen I just

01:17:41 ◼   ► don't like the look of them there -

01:17:43 ◼   ► there - 3d for my liking and so that's

01:17:46 ◼   ► that's why I don't have them there even

01:17:48 ◼   ► even though I think that it would kind

01:17:50 ◼   ► of make more sense to have an emoji that

01:17:52 ◼   ► represents what each of these folders

01:17:53 ◼   ► are but rather instead I'm trying to

01:17:56 ◼   ► pick the one icon that you see in the

01:17:59 ◼   ► folder to be representative of what that

01:18:01 ◼   ► folder is that that's kind of how I'm

01:18:03 ◼   ► labeling these folders but yeah so I

01:18:06 ◼   ► have the the top four folders which are

01:18:09 ◼   ► there simply to act as categories to

01:18:11 ◼   ► sort all of the apps that I don't want

01:18:14 ◼   ► on my home screen into and so those

01:18:18 ◼   ► categories are the first one has the

01:18:20 ◼   ► Settings app in there and that is the

01:18:22 ◼   ► miscellaneous category everything that

01:18:25 ◼   ► doesn't fit anywhere else just goes in

01:18:26 ◼   ► there the next one over has caret

01:18:29 ◼   ► weather and that contains all of the

01:18:32 ◼   ► apps that are I don't know a good way to

01:18:35 ◼   ► describe this but in my head I think of

01:18:36 ◼   ► them as location-based so they have

01:18:41 ◼   ► something to do with where I currently

01:18:43 ◼   ► am so these are like flight tracking

01:18:46 ◼   ► apps or ride-sharing apps or I put the

01:18:49 ◼   ► wallet app in there or if a conference

01:18:51 ◼   ► I'm going to has an app like I put that

01:18:53 ◼   ► app in there or food delivery services

01:18:56 ◼   ► or train ticket apps like all of that

01:19:00 ◼   ► kind of stuff is sort of location-based

01:19:01 ◼   ► do you ever do like a time-sensitive

01:19:04 ◼   ► promotion of an application to the front

01:19:06 ◼   ► page at the folder one of the reasons I

01:19:08 ◼   ► like to have space is so that I can have

01:19:12 ◼   ► that bottom row available to put stuff

01:19:15 ◼   ► down and normally when I'm traveling

01:19:18 ◼   ► there'll be two apps that will go in

01:19:21 ◼   ► that bottom row and it's mainly on the

01:19:24 ◼   ► main screen on the main screen yeah

01:19:25 ◼   ► it'll usually usually be the flight

01:19:28 ◼   ► tracker and I'm still using flight log

01:19:30 ◼   ► or as my main one for that okay I'll

01:19:32 ◼   ► need a recommendation I did give up in

01:19:34 ◼   ► the air a try it's interesting but I'm

01:19:36 ◼   ► still sticking with flight logger as my

01:19:38 ◼   ► main one it's pretty heavy-handed but I

01:19:40 ◼   ► do like it

01:19:41 ◼   ► it is also definitely better than it

01:19:43 ◼   ► used to be like if I had to use it I

01:19:45 ◼   ► wouldn't be upset but I'll put flight

01:19:48 ◼   ► logger

01:19:49 ◼   ► that bottom row and then the other thing

01:19:51 ◼   ► I'll put in the bottom row which I sort

01:19:54 ◼   ► of silly but I'll put the wallet app

01:19:55 ◼   ► down there because like if I don't know

01:20:00 ◼   ► I find when I'm traveling I'm always

01:20:02 ◼   ► real panicky about how long will it take

01:20:04 ◼   ► me to access whatever ticket I have in

01:20:06 ◼   ► my Apple wallet for whatever it is that

01:20:07 ◼   ► I need and so I have the wallet

01:20:10 ◼   ► available everywhere like I have it in

01:20:12 ◼   ► the in the control center and then I'll

01:20:14 ◼   ► put it on the home screen and then some

01:20:17 ◼   ► tickets but not all tickets

01:20:18 ◼   ► frustratingly will show up as

01:20:20 ◼   ► notifications on the lock so like I want

01:20:22 ◼   ► every way to be able to open up that

01:20:24 ◼   ► wallet immediately because I'm oh it's

01:20:26 ◼   ► just like real panicking when the guy

01:20:27 ◼   ► comes over it's like tickets please like

01:20:28 ◼   ► I don't know what second I'm the idiot

01:20:30 ◼   ► with my phone right yeah yeah I feel

01:20:32 ◼   ► that like there's a there's a train line

01:20:36 ◼   ► in London called the Docklands Light

01:20:37 ◼   ► Railway the DLR and unlike any other of

01:20:41 ◼   ► the tube lines or the kind of DF of rail

01:20:45 ◼   ► lines there's no barriers for this train

01:20:49 ◼   ► and there's no drivers for the Train

01:20:51 ◼   ► there's no drivers but there's a

01:20:52 ◼   ► conductor or you could come up and down

01:20:55 ◼   ► and check the tickets because instead of

01:20:56 ◼   ► doing the barriers where like you have

01:20:58 ◼   ► to have the Buried presser to get

01:21:00 ◼   ► through you kind of work on an honor

01:21:02 ◼   ► system if I'm gonna touch my Oyster card