Roderick on the Line

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00:00:04 ◼   ► hello hi John hi Merlin how's it going

00:00:10 ◼   ► hmm

00:00:15 ◼   ► SuperDuper

00:00:17 ◼   ► um late because I got I got to head

00:00:22 ◼   ► strong I thought I could run an errand

00:00:23 ◼   ► oh yeah late 9 1 1 where's the late

00:00:27 ◼   ► crown yeah I'm all right 9 1 1 joke in

00:00:30 ◼   ► your town yeah

00:00:31 ◼   ► what was your errand oh it's not very

00:00:33 ◼   ► interesting go to the bread store for

00:00:35 ◼   ► some bread no no no no I went to the the

00:00:38 ◼   ► ATM oh hey Jim sometimes you couldn't

00:00:43 ◼   ► need some cash around the house tonight

00:00:44 ◼   ► I don't like not having cash yeah these

00:00:47 ◼   ► millenniums they love everything on a

00:00:49 ◼   ► card I know they do it all on their

00:00:51 ◼   ► thermostat uh it needs to stop John I

00:00:54 ◼   ► need to stop the card thing needs to we

00:00:58 ◼   ► just need you to pump the brakes

00:01:00 ◼   ► hmm but anyway sorry obvious I don't

00:01:02 ◼   ► usually talk about the show on the show

00:01:03 ◼   ► but I ran a little late and so now I

00:01:05 ◼   ► need to walk over here dry company oh

00:01:30 ◼   ► you're drinking the brand name seltzer

00:01:36 ◼   ► taste for Canada dry and it's become a

00:01:39 ◼   ► monkey on my back yeah cuz all those

00:01:42 ◼   ► years ago also you would got this just

00:01:48 ◼   ► like the Kroger okay so we should

00:01:54 ◼   ► probably just do a whole episode about

00:01:55 ◼   ► water at some point cuz I it's been a

00:01:57 ◼   ► journey for me I have some issues yeah

00:01:59 ◼   ► well what okay so when I first got into

00:02:02 ◼   ► sparkling water slash seltzer water

00:02:04 ◼   ► slash soda water it's a regional thing I

00:02:07 ◼   ► guess

00:02:08 ◼   ► I used to get it in like Safeway 12

00:02:13 ◼   ► packs and ran out of business still a

00:02:16 ◼   ► point when I would drive a car around

00:02:17 ◼   ► like an animal and then I I discovered

00:02:19 ◼   ► that you could get Safeway encases yep

00:02:24 ◼   ► yep and then I discovered that the

00:02:27 ◼   ► Safeway delivery people would

00:02:29 ◼   ► theoretically deliver things to your

00:02:32 ◼   ► house for a nominal fee

00:02:35 ◼   ► it's like a back alley dealers oh this

00:02:37 ◼   ► is this is the seltzer hack for show so

00:02:40 ◼   ► I got the wrong keyboard and all my

00:02:43 ◼   ► document open holy shit so what I did

00:02:46 ◼   ► was I discovered I'd like you to put a

00:02:49 ◼   ► fork they're in the wrong keyboard I

00:02:51 ◼   ► have to revisit that put it in the

00:02:53 ◼   ► document wrong the wrong keyboard for

00:02:56 ◼   ► old times sake I should use the old keep

00:03:00 ◼   ► I'm a regular keyboard okay no no I

00:03:02 ◼   ► don't make noise people email us um so

00:03:06 ◼   ► what I discovered was a seltzer hack

00:03:07 ◼   ► which was you could contact the Safeway

00:03:11 ◼   ► company of Pleasanton California and you

00:03:12 ◼   ► could say hey icebox chocolate cake and

00:03:24 ◼   ► 18 cases of Sultan do you have to talk

00:03:27 ◼   ► to them like Randy Newman character the

00:03:32 ◼   ► guy who goes into the corner store he's

00:03:34 ◼   ► like oh I'm so thirsty today I wonder

00:03:36 ◼   ► what I should have this morning in my

00:03:48 ◼   ► case I'm like yeah you know why don't

00:03:49 ◼   ► you give me some of those give me some

00:03:51 ◼   ► of those all right a french fries okay

00:03:56 ◼   ► flank steak is good I got 18 cases of

00:04:00 ◼   ► seltzer and they will deliver it to your

00:04:02 ◼   ► oh they hate it they hate it cuz this is

00:04:07 ◼   ► back in the day so this is you know lots

00:04:09 ◼   ► this lots happened in the years since

00:04:10 ◼   ► since this this went down but this is

00:04:13 ◼   ► when Safeway was trying to do their own

00:04:14 ◼   ► offering they still do this but they're

00:04:16 ◼   ► getting their bike kicked by all the

00:04:17 ◼   ► other companies

00:04:19 ◼   ► but a man and a Safeway truck would come

00:04:21 ◼   ► to your house and man he was fuckin

00:04:23 ◼   ► hating life cuz Lee idea well you know

00:04:26 ◼   ► normally you're like oh you know could I

00:04:28 ◼   ► get a loaf of bread and a stick of

00:04:30 ◼   ► butter and they come out and they give

00:04:32 ◼   ► you a nice little bag to milk stick of

00:04:35 ◼   ► butter tick chip the cap is just staples

00:04:40 ◼   ► then what they were not expecting was

00:04:42 ◼   ► the life hack guy asking for 18 cases of

00:04:46 ◼   ► seltzer and then ask you please stack

00:04:47 ◼   ► them up in this area of my garage please

00:04:49 ◼   ► and thank you it's not pallet I mean how

00:04:51 ◼   ► many is 18 cases I don't know if I've

00:04:53 ◼   ► seen that in a long time it's more than

00:04:58 ◼   ► the guy with the little back brace

00:04:59 ◼   ► really feels like bring it into your

00:05:01 ◼   ► house yeah and so then now I still

00:05:03 ◼   ► continue this to this day because I

00:05:05 ◼   ► fight this I fight the system the system

00:05:08 ◼   ► does not want me to get heavy objects

00:05:09 ◼   ► you know they want me to get the dainty

00:05:11 ◼   ► bag sure now and pay the fee we're happy

00:05:14 ◼   ► to home deliver toilet paper to you well

00:05:17 ◼   ► they'll bring you a few but you know

00:05:19 ◼   ► let's not abuse the system right it's

00:05:21 ◼   ► like I'm like the guy with that

00:05:22 ◼   ► all-you-can-eat salad bar wearing waders

00:05:24 ◼   ► and like just stuffing mashed potatoes

00:05:26 ◼   ► into my pants and so but since sometimes

00:05:29 ◼   ► you got to be strategic about it and you

00:05:31 ◼   ► got it you do an orbit and you say I

00:05:33 ◼   ► want 18 18 cases of seltzer and they

00:05:36 ◼   ► show up they go sorry brah they didn't

00:05:39 ◼   ► have any seltzer and you're like really

00:05:40 ◼   ► you didn't have any seltzer and so I

00:05:43 ◼   ► have to start doing competitive ordering

00:05:45 ◼   ► where I might do two to three orders in

00:05:46 ◼   ► a day hitting the minimum until I got

00:05:49 ◼   ► you follow me here so let's say let's

00:05:51 ◼   ► say the minimum is $30.00 you pay attend

00:05:53 ◼   ► or fee or whatever I didn't have the

00:05:55 ◼   ► first time I do it a second time

00:05:56 ◼   ► I keep scheduling I keep scheduling I

00:05:58 ◼   ► still do that to this day I am prepared

00:06:00 ◼   ► at this point to open a back channel

00:06:03 ◼   ► with the Canada Dry company to say look

00:06:05 ◼   ► I treat me like a restaurant like I am

00:06:07 ◼   ► probably the single largest consumer of

00:06:09 ◼   ► this let's bypass the middleman a little

00:06:12 ◼   ► premium but like you know across your

00:06:14 ◼   ► palm but I want some fucking Canada Dry

00:06:16 ◼   ► original sparkling seltzer water 12

00:06:18 ◼   ► fluid ounces I want that in large large

00:06:20 ◼   ► amounts at my house there's got to be a

00:06:23 ◼   ► distribution center somewhere in the Bay

00:06:25 ◼   ► Area yeah where the you know where the

00:06:27 ◼   ► big truck pulls up and it's like when

00:06:29 ◼   ► Axel Foley is is hijacking or intercept

00:06:33 ◼   ► the hijacked truck full of cigarettes at

00:06:35 ◼   ► the beginning yes diehard or whatever

00:06:40 ◼   ► yeah the one it's him the other guy it's

00:06:42 ◼   ► the one he buys the carton of cigarettes

00:06:44 ◼   ► yeah Axel Foley there's gotta be some

00:06:49 ◼   ► deal you can make some like you know

00:06:51 ◼   ► stack of money gets exchanged and a guy

00:06:53 ◼   ► opens up the back of a semi-trailer and

00:06:56 ◼   ► right full of Canada drive well okay so

00:06:59 ◼   ► so this is an interesting twist on the

00:07:02 ◼   ► decongestant problem okay cuz you think

00:07:04 ◼   ► about the glory days and you know about

00:07:06 ◼   ► my glory days I know I got a spreadsheet

00:07:08 ◼   ► about ephedra I still hope yeah I rode

00:07:10 ◼   ► that wave with you for a little brother

00:07:11 ◼   ► so you could go time was you could go

00:07:14 ◼   ► get yourself a dollar nine malt liquor

00:07:16 ◼   ► and you get yourself a bottle and I

00:07:18 ◼   ► think it was a hundred twenty-five

00:07:20 ◼   ► milligram ephedrine the ephedra I think

00:07:21 ◼   ► it was $2.99 for a hundred mmm overtime

00:07:24 ◼   ► that went up eventually they made it

00:07:26 ◼   ► illegal and today if you want to be able

00:07:28 ◼   ► to breathe and I'm the JIT wanna breathe

00:07:30 ◼   ► I want that claret indeed

00:07:31 ◼   ► I gotta go with me both right so I have

00:07:34 ◼   ► to go to the pharmacist window where for

00:07:36 ◼   ► some reason they're a little higher up

00:07:37 ◼   ► than me not a fan okay they're looking

00:07:40 ◼   ► down on me when I see your driver's

00:07:42 ◼   ► license for your 30 tablets of clarity I

00:07:45 ◼   ► was like what's the jam up on this is

00:07:48 ◼   ► this so people won't make you know

00:07:49 ◼   ► Walter White meth and they're like yeah

00:07:51 ◼   ► we can't you can't buy if you buy this

00:07:53 ◼   ► more than twice in a month federal

00:07:55 ◼   ► agents will come to your house right Wow

00:07:58 ◼   ► now here's the thing I kind of get that

00:08:00 ◼   ► it's sort of I was telling me we have

00:08:02 ◼   ► traveled recently and I was telling my

00:08:04 ◼   ► daughter about TSA and you know one time

00:08:06 ◼   ► somebody had a kind of like a bomb in

00:08:08 ◼   ► their shoes so now we take our shoes off

00:08:10 ◼   ► and one time somebody had some liquid

00:08:13 ◼   ► and that's why we can't have liquids

00:08:14 ◼   ► right for liquid yeah yeah yeah but I

00:08:18 ◼   ► mean like how much meth can you really

00:08:20 ◼   ► make with 60 claritin DS not very much

00:08:24 ◼   ► at all I mean so many of the decisions

00:08:28 ◼   ► we make now as people are based on that

00:08:32 ◼   ► the absolute worst okay thing that a

00:08:35 ◼   ► single like lowest common denominator

00:08:38 ◼   ► person will do right in to none in the

00:08:40 ◼   ► nature can do can write this down dumb

00:08:42 ◼   ► pretty good numbness thermometer

00:08:44 ◼   ► denominator

00:08:45 ◼   ► but in that case in that case here's the

00:08:47 ◼   ► thing now I'm in convenience I'm not

00:08:49 ◼   ► trying to make meth sure I'd love to

00:08:50 ◼   ► abuse stimulants I'd be super into it

00:08:52 ◼   ► but I can't so I've made my peace now I

00:08:54 ◼   ► get my claritin once a month because I

00:08:56 ◼   ► don't want federal agents of my house I

00:08:57 ◼   ► don't want to you know have a problem

00:08:59 ◼   ► but here's the thing ninety nine point

00:09:02 ◼   ► how many nines of people out there just

00:09:03 ◼   ► won't fucking claret and so they can

00:09:05 ◼   ► breathe

00:09:06 ◼   ► yeah in the same way most people you

00:09:09 ◼   ► think about buying Canada dry original

00:09:10 ◼   ► sparkling seltzer water you're buying

00:09:12 ◼   ► that for a party would you buy you're

00:09:14 ◼   ► gonna buy one to another bottle of that

00:09:17 ◼   ► it's it's like it's like Vernors

00:09:18 ◼   ► ginger-ale

00:09:19 ◼   ► or what caffeine free diet coke it's

00:09:22 ◼   ► something for the weirdos that want to

00:09:24 ◼   ► mix a drink yeah but you know what it is

00:09:26 ◼   ► I bet you it's some of these flat

00:09:29 ◼   ► earthers are using bulk canada dry to

00:09:34 ◼   ► power their low orbit spacecraft huh we

00:09:38 ◼   ► laughed we laughed at that guy but he

00:09:40 ◼   ► got it off the ground

00:09:41 ◼   ► sure he did and do you know it was steam

00:09:43 ◼   ► powered right yeah so I think so I think

00:09:45 ◼   ► yeah the steam had a steam power steam

00:09:46 ◼   ► punk rocket yeah so how far is it before

00:09:50 ◼   ► we realize that oh no it's just it's

00:09:52 ◼   ► like frizzy water-powered that's the

00:09:54 ◼   ► real way that's what Elon Musk has been

00:09:56 ◼   ► working on this whole time that's why

00:09:58 ◼   ► they don't want to give you a pallet of

00:10:00 ◼   ► flavorless pop oh you think it's big

00:10:02 ◼   ► space I think it's big space they're

00:10:05 ◼   ► putting the kibosh on your on your

00:10:07 ◼   ► garage so what's he building in their

00:10:11 ◼   ► situation hmm get to the fireworks

00:10:13 ◼   ► factory yeah and so now here's the

00:10:15 ◼   ► situation now is I do have a gig economy

00:10:18 ◼   ► service that I use to have these things

00:10:19 ◼   ► delivered to my house but here's the

00:10:21 ◼   ► thing now Canada Dry has made the move

00:10:24 ◼   ► of now putting them they don't they

00:10:25 ◼   ► don't have cases a Canada Dry can't buy

00:10:27 ◼   ► kids can it dry time was a man a grown

00:10:30 ◼   ► man grown-ass man in his early 50s could

00:10:32 ◼   ► buy a gentleman's 12-pack of Canada Oh

00:10:35 ◼   ► guess what they're doing now now they're

00:10:37 ◼   ► getting cute and now they're they have

00:10:40 ◼   ► eight packs

00:10:41 ◼   ► John John they sell you in a cardboard

00:10:44 ◼   ► eight pack and the little dispenser

00:10:46 ◼   ► doesn't even you heard me struggling did

00:10:48 ◼   ► you hear me struggling over there what

00:10:49 ◼   ► they're trying to get was that from an

00:10:51 ◼   ► eight pack that's from an eight pack I'm

00:10:52 ◼   ► stuck with eight packs now like an

00:10:53 ◼   ► animal I've never heard of an eight pack

00:10:55 ◼   ► eight pack mm-hmm

00:10:57 ◼   ► mm-hmm and I don't get from Safeway

00:10:59 ◼   ► anymore because my gig economy service

00:11:01 ◼   ► they have the the charge a premium for

00:11:03 ◼   ► going to Safeway fuck Safeway in the eye

00:11:04 ◼   ► to begin with I'm a Molly stones man all

00:11:06 ◼   ► right I don't wanna make it creepy I

00:11:08 ◼   ► don't even know what that is what's that

00:11:10 ◼   ► pussy when I go to in Seattle the what's

00:11:13 ◼   ► your kind of nice grocery store Oh we'll

00:11:16 ◼   ► see how is just built on kind of nice

00:11:18 ◼   ► grocery stores now but are you talking

00:11:19 ◼   ► about the QFC probably the place that

00:11:22 ◼   ► has flowers and we bought some steaks

00:11:23 ◼   ► there

00:11:24 ◼   ► yeah QFC probably they're owned by

00:11:28 ◼   ► somebody now I don't know if you sure

00:11:30 ◼   ► they're not independent anymore but then

00:11:32 ◼   ► we have the you know we've got the coop

00:11:35 ◼   ► and we've got the other co-op market you

00:11:40 ◼   ► know the like how many fancy olives do

00:11:42 ◼   ► you want store only get olive barge on

00:11:45 ◼   ► you can we've got more olives than the

00:11:47 ◼   ► other place stuff it with blue cheese so

00:11:51 ◼   ► now I'm in a situation where I got a

00:11:53 ◼   ► monkey on my back and I got them down

00:11:54 ◼   ► right on my butt so now I've got room or

00:11:57 ◼   ► a Rebecca De Mornay is the actress right

00:11:59 ◼   ► right okay it's a Monet yeah Mon I got a

00:12:03 ◼   ► Monet up close it looks like a bargain

00:12:05 ◼   ► but the so now we're stuck with this

00:12:09 ◼   ► with the lobster cuz also I like though

00:12:12 ◼   ► here's the problem I'm a connoisseur

00:12:14 ◼   ► John I like the flavor I like the

00:12:16 ◼   ► mouthfeel of Canada Dry it's better than

00:12:18 ◼   ► the generics yeah it has a slightly

00:12:21 ◼   ► sweet aspect to it maybe because of

00:12:23 ◼   ► where they source their water it's sweet

00:12:26 ◼   ► water it's sweet well it's not sweet

00:12:28 ◼   ► it's not like that fucking vitamin water

00:12:30 ◼   ► bullshit like just have a coke

00:12:31 ◼   ► like you know in this case but you're

00:12:34 ◼   ► thinking like the booth has it has a

00:12:37 ◼   ► cool sweet round quality to it utterly

00:12:41 ◼   ► lacking in the other generics or let's

00:12:43 ◼   ► be honest the other premium products how

00:12:45 ◼   ► well speaking of which I have a good

00:12:47 ◼   ► friend who is addicted well let me roll

00:12:52 ◼   ► that back Wow I have I live in a culture

00:12:57 ◼   ► now of people who are addicted to the

00:12:59 ◼   ► Lacroix brand of a mildly flavored I

00:13:04 ◼   ► don't understand how that has become

00:13:05 ◼   ► such a lifestyle

00:13:06 ◼   ► I understand how that is that people

00:13:08 ◼   ► have taken up the mantle of Lacroix and

00:13:10 ◼   ► something it's like vaping it's like

00:13:12 ◼   ► just don't understand like how that

00:13:13 ◼   ► became such a thing I have a gal pal who

00:13:15 ◼   ► is a motorcycle adventure person and her

00:13:20 ◼   ► online handle is hookers and popcorn

00:13:24 ◼   ► that's her tag that's her her brand her

00:13:27 ◼   ► what would you call it not her avatar

00:13:30 ◼   ► I guess handle let's call it hands on

00:13:32 ◼   ► handle and under the handle hookers and

00:13:35 ◼   ► popcorn she does all kinds of motorcycle

00:13:38 ◼   ► he stunts and lifestyle events she goes

00:13:41 ◼   ► into adventures and does adventury

00:13:44 ◼   ► things she jumps around mm-hmm

00:13:47 ◼   ► sometimes we'll ride a motorcycle

00:13:49 ◼   ► standing on it seem very safe it's not

00:13:53 ◼   ► she does unsafe things that's a that's

00:13:56 ◼   ► another that's unsafe photos on on the

00:13:58 ◼   ► Instagram she does unsafe things puts

00:14:01 ◼   ► photos up of them and then it's she's

00:14:04 ◼   ► you know she's not saying that she's a

00:14:06 ◼   ► role model you know if you go jump on

00:14:08 ◼   ► your motorcycle in sparkly underwear and

00:14:11 ◼   ► riding standing up over a cliff like

00:14:14 ◼   ► that's your problem the fact that she

00:14:16 ◼   ► has a trained eagle that grabbed her

00:14:17 ◼   ► right at the last minute and flew her

00:14:19 ◼   ► off to a Mesa where she had a ayahuasca

00:14:22 ◼   ► ceremony does not mean that that's gonna

00:14:24 ◼   ► happen to you

00:14:26 ◼   ► and she's a member of a culture of

00:14:28 ◼   ► people who are lifestyle purveyors she

00:14:34 ◼   ► said she has a lifestyle brand I think

00:14:37 ◼   ► so

00:14:38 ◼   ► I mean she resists it or maybe resisted

00:14:40 ◼   ► it put it that way no no no but but you

00:14:44 ◼   ► know you she often is in a group of

00:14:46 ◼   ► people and they're all like whoa check

00:14:47 ◼   ► me and they're all doing like amazing

00:14:49 ◼   ► things they're all like stunt

00:14:50 ◼   ► motorcyclists and skateboarders you know

00:14:53 ◼   ► the group they're basically all

00:14:54 ◼   ► skateboarders let's be honest but

00:14:56 ◼   ► skateboarders of cars but and it's

00:15:01 ◼   ► amazing believe me they truly do amazing

00:15:04 ◼   ► things it's just that like there's

00:15:05 ◼   ► always a drone flying around somebody's

00:15:08 ◼   ► jumping their motorcycle this is a

00:15:10 ◼   ► there's like that one guy looks like a

00:15:12 ◼   ► frog on YouTube and he's real popular

00:15:14 ◼   ► and he he takes his Canon camera out and

00:15:16 ◼   ► he jumps canyons and stuff and yeah

00:15:17 ◼   ► enjoy life and you are a la

00:15:19 ◼   ► you're alive exactly yeah they all have

00:15:21 ◼   ► like like a million followers and I

00:15:24 ◼   ► don't know what happens people give them

00:15:25 ◼   ► stuff okay and you know me I've been

00:15:28 ◼   ► living on Reds vitamin C and cocaine for

00:15:31 ◼   ► many years and and I never you know I

00:15:35 ◼   ► don't turn my nose up at a swag bag you

00:15:37 ◼   ► know I think coffee

00:15:39 ◼   ► that's how can my coffee but like

00:15:40 ◼   ► nobody's giving me a motorcycle mm-hmm

00:15:43 ◼   ► and I'm not saying anybody's given them

00:15:44 ◼   ► motorcycles either yeah but uh oh and

00:15:47 ◼   ► also the we got to talk about the Gibson

00:15:49 ◼   ► Company later oh shit dog I saw that and

00:15:51 ◼   ► thought wrong keyboard worst thing with

00:15:54 ◼   ► a common denominator

00:15:55 ◼   ► yeah and Gibson was yo they got was

00:15:57 ◼   ► buddy you saw this cut you saw that

00:16:00 ◼   ► coming miles off I did have been talking

00:16:02 ◼   ► about the factory thing you were

00:16:03 ◼   ► disappointed yes yes it's on the list I

00:16:06 ◼   ► got it but she drinks 80 Lacroix a day

00:16:12 ◼   ► mmm

00:16:13 ◼   ► I think so she'll often send a

00:16:17 ◼   ► photograph of the floor bed of her you

00:16:22 ◼   ► know the foot wells of her truck as she

00:16:26 ◼   ► drives across America from one adventure

00:16:29 ◼   ► to the next in a never-ending

00:16:31 ◼   ► constellation of string of pearls of

00:16:34 ◼   ► outrageous adventures and the footwell

00:16:38 ◼   ► of her truck will be like like ankle

00:16:42 ◼   ► deep in

00:16:43 ◼   ► Lucroy cans and I don't think you're

00:16:46 ◼   ► throwing those Lacroix cans down there

00:16:47 ◼   ► half full that would be a mess I think

00:16:50 ◼   ► she's finishing them off she's not doing

00:16:53 ◼   ► what we used to do and I don't see

00:16:54 ◼   ► people do this very often anymore where

00:16:56 ◼   ► you finish a can of something and you

00:16:58 ◼   ► crush it yeah as part of finishing it

00:17:00 ◼   ► did you ever do that I do it now because

00:17:03 ◼   ► I'm a super recycler and I need every

00:17:04 ◼   ► square inch every cubic inch and you

00:17:06 ◼   ► have that problem I remember the last

00:17:08 ◼   ► time I spent any you know stayed

00:17:10 ◼   ► multiple nights at your home there was

00:17:13 ◼   ► the constant problem of where is the can

00:17:16 ◼   ► of sparkling water I was most recently

00:17:19 ◼   ► drinking oh yeah yeah there's like

00:17:22 ◼   ► there's cans on top of everything and

00:17:24 ◼   ► it's like oh shit and they're all

00:17:25 ◼   ► half-full when I did my afternoon

00:17:27 ◼   ► cleanup yesterday I tried to clean up in

00:17:29 ◼   ► the afternoon get ready for the dinner

00:17:30 ◼   ► hour get everything prepped

00:17:31 ◼   ► and I go in and I clean up any cans that

00:17:34 ◼   ► around I had I had three 3/4 full cans

00:17:37 ◼   ► that's that's how you know you got a

00:17:38 ◼   ► problem cuz the fizz is done at that

00:17:40 ◼   ► point but I feel like she has been

00:17:43 ◼   ► trying to get Lacroix to start backing

00:17:47 ◼   ► up the Lacroix truck

00:17:50 ◼   ► but I think they don't I don't think

00:17:52 ◼   ► they do it because I feel like there's

00:17:53 ◼   ► probably within the Lacroix cult uh-huh

00:17:56 ◼   ► I don't know if they need it know

00:17:59 ◼   ► everybody's drinking that stuff they

00:18:00 ◼   ► don't need any advertising they don't

00:18:01 ◼   ► need anybody jumping motorcycles

00:18:02 ◼   ► drinking a la croix she's making some of

00:18:07 ◼   ► these photos John or part naked yeah

00:18:09 ◼   ► yeah I mean not everybody in the

00:18:12 ◼   ► lifestyle brand circuit she finds

00:18:14 ◼   ► herself naked in a lot of unusual

00:18:16 ◼   ► situations

00:18:17 ◼   ► she's busy having adventures a lot of

00:18:20 ◼   ► public John be aware of this I just got

00:18:23 ◼   ► a pan sparked off in this one she's not

00:18:24 ◼   ► a she's not a role model she's a she

00:18:27 ◼   ► never said that no she's doing her own

00:18:30 ◼   ► thing in her own in her own time

00:18:32 ◼   ► she's making stuff up as she goes but

00:18:34 ◼   ► she's you know she truly does do some

00:18:37 ◼   ► she lays on the ground a lot hairball

00:18:40 ◼   ► stuff that's one of her that's one of

00:18:41 ◼   ► her things she does the like I'm

00:18:43 ◼   ► facedown dead on the ground some

00:18:46 ◼   ► somewhere okay it's it's a kids over

00:18:50 ◼   ► time you know everybody's got a little

00:18:51 ◼   ► bit and when you follow people's bits

00:18:53 ◼   ► yeah over time you're like yeah she was

00:18:59 ◼   ► like she laid down in front of a

00:19:02 ◼   ► farmhouse here and did a dead dead girl

00:19:06 ◼   ► thing she seems pretty good at this

00:19:08 ◼   ► yeah she's good she has she's good she's

00:19:11 ◼   ► good she's good people but but but you

00:19:14 ◼   ► know though it's the Lacroix really that

00:19:17 ◼   ► is the manure think she'd be like reppin

00:19:23 ◼   ► all these heavy brands like sports gear

00:19:27 ◼   ► and you know all that the people that

00:19:30 ◼   ► are doing like adventure sports stuff it

00:19:32 ◼   ► seems like they're always going holding

00:19:34 ◼   ► up their K twos and being like I did it

00:19:36 ◼   ► you know mountain dew or whatever you

00:19:38 ◼   ► know they're like you know or you'd find

00:19:40 ◼   ► some kind of bespoke upstart brand that

00:19:43 ◼   ► needs a motorcycle lady you know that

00:19:46 ◼   ► could really benefit from being part of

00:19:48 ◼   ► that that branding

00:19:50 ◼   ► I'm just saying Lacroix is pretty

00:19:52 ◼   ► well-established yeah but but she's not

00:19:55 ◼   ► doing it to get I don't think she's

00:19:57 ◼   ► she's just like addicted to Lacroix the

00:19:59 ◼   ► point of this story signs I don't well

00:20:01 ◼   ► no it's that what's directly to your

00:20:03 ◼   ► point I don't understand to any of you

00:20:07 ◼   ► how you get addicted to fizzy water

00:20:09 ◼   ► it's got no caffeine in it it's got no

00:20:12 ◼   ► sugar in it it's got no what is it doing

00:20:15 ◼   ► to you like I'll have it I'll have a

00:20:17 ◼   ► soda water when I'm with you uh-huh but

00:20:19 ◼   ► like I don't think your haven't you're

00:20:22 ◼   ► having a can of Safeway Seltzer in the

00:20:24 ◼   ► interview in my yard that one time they

00:20:26 ◼   ► get a coffee you got a coffee maybe at a

00:20:28 ◼   ► coffee out of salts or something like

00:20:29 ◼   ► that I have a theory I think I think

00:20:34 ◼   ► part of it is and I got into this with

00:20:35 ◼   ► the when I was doing the SodaStream

00:20:37 ◼   ► family of products is if you're somebody

00:20:39 ◼   ► who enjoys sparkling water you I think

00:20:41 ◼   ► increasingly you're chasing the dragon

00:20:44 ◼   ► you like that burn you you like that

00:20:46 ◼   ► super strong fizz it doesn't hurt but I

00:20:48 ◼   ► mean think about you and hydrogen

00:20:49 ◼   ► peroxide another monkey you got on my

00:20:51 ◼   ► back don't you like that feeling you

00:20:53 ◼   ► swish it around it burns a little bit

00:20:54 ◼   ► you got canker sore you I really got in

00:20:56 ◼   ► there yeah yeah I like that burn I like

00:20:59 ◼   ► any kind of burn any anything you put on

00:21:01 ◼   ► something and it hurts see yeah see

00:21:04 ◼   ► that's it's the healing it do you want

00:21:07 ◼   ► that with grapefruit you know what my

00:21:08 ◼   ► lady likes the Pomplamoose that's her

00:21:10 ◼   ► favorite of the lowboys did you did you

00:21:12 ◼   ► know that the medication that I'm taking

00:21:15 ◼   ► it is contraindicated to eat grapefruit

00:21:19 ◼   ► oh the devil you say yeah something I

00:21:23 ◼   ► don't know what and this is the miracles

00:21:25 ◼   ► of the world this is chemistry somehow

00:21:30 ◼   ► if you eat grapefruit

00:21:32 ◼   ► it makes the medicine not work is it is

00:21:35 ◼   ► it contraindicated by other hand fruit

00:21:37 ◼   ► and citrus some special something

00:21:41 ◼   ► special about fruit yeah and the thing

00:21:43 ◼   ► is I didn't even know that medical

00:21:46 ◼   ► people and pharmacologists were even

00:21:48 ◼   ► paying that close of it

00:21:49 ◼   ► attention to stuff like how would they

00:21:51 ◼   ► have even figured that out I feel like

00:21:53 ◼   ► it's the thing where somebody was like

00:21:55 ◼   ► grapefruit fiend and they said my

00:21:58 ◼   ► medicine doesn't work and they they put

00:22:01 ◼   ► it together but like are they just

00:22:02 ◼   ► testing it how did they even test that

00:22:04 ◼   ► I'm on the WebMD page for interactions

00:22:08 ◼   ► for the fruit grapefruit and there's a

00:22:11 ◼   ► lot of interactions between grapefruit

00:22:13 ◼   ► and other things

00:22:14 ◼   ► Oh sister you're not gonna you wouldn't

00:22:16 ◼   ► believe how many there are

00:22:17 ◼   ► Buse buspar coreg propyl Sid and now for

00:22:22 ◼   ► now I think that's one of the stay awake

00:22:23 ◼   ► drugs

00:22:25 ◼   ► dextromethorphan oh that's we have a

00:22:28 ◼   ► tussin you can't have dextromethorphan

00:22:29 ◼   ► the body breaks down

00:22:31 ◼   ► dextromethorphan to get rid of a

00:22:33 ◼   ► grapefruit might decrease how quickly

00:22:34 ◼   ► the body breaks down dextromethorphan

00:22:37 ◼   ► you're drinking juice might increase the

00:22:40 ◼   ► effects and side effects of it yeah

00:22:42 ◼   ► oh so it's it's an antagonist an agonist

00:22:45 ◼   ► yeah it's and as a multiplier fer for

00:22:49 ◼   ► cough syrup some things it forced

00:22:52 ◼   ► multiplies some things that antagonizes

00:22:54 ◼   ► interesting but you know don't mess

00:22:57 ◼   ► around with Leroy Brown yeah as you know

00:23:04 ◼   ► a Pomplamoose lover myself because I

00:23:08 ◼   ► like anything that burns I like anything

00:23:09 ◼   ► that hurts

00:23:10 ◼   ► uh-huh and major oh there's major in

00:23:13 ◼   ► Russia's I'm not sending this link this

00:23:15 ◼   ► is crazy John you know but I but I don't

00:23:19 ◼   ► I've never gotten on the the personal

00:23:22 ◼   ► fizzy water train and I did get I did

00:23:26 ◼   ► get one of those soda streams and I did

00:23:30 ◼   ► make my own fizzy water for a long time

00:23:33 ◼   ► before I just like everybody that buys a

00:23:37 ◼   ► thing like that just sort of got bored

00:23:38 ◼   ► of it but I but it's not a thing like I

00:23:45 ◼   ► don't do that thing that you or jenni

00:23:50 ◼   ► like it does with the would like I need

00:23:55 ◼   ► this in profusion how many do you drink

00:23:58 ◼   ► an entire 12 pack a day

00:24:03 ◼   ► uh-huh and that's a real screwed up now

00:24:05 ◼   ► with the eight packs I don't even have a

00:24:06 ◼   ► way of like easily knowing how many I've

00:24:08 ◼   ► had now you can't get a 12 pack there

00:24:11 ◼   ► they don't sell anymore they've redone

00:24:13 ◼   ► it they've repackaged it oh yeah no but

00:24:16 ◼   ► here's this is the indication that

00:24:17 ◼   ► you're a user is that I'm never out

00:24:19 ◼   ► uh-huh

00:24:21 ◼   ► I'm and I'm always I'm always stocked up

00:24:23 ◼   ► I'm saying

00:24:25 ◼   ► so I mean IIIi think it's it's one of

00:24:29 ◼   ► those things like chain-smoking where

00:24:31 ◼   ► you're never not doing the thing unless

00:24:33 ◼   ► there's a reason or you know admonition

00:24:35 ◼   ► from doing the thing like I've always

00:24:37 ◼   ► got one of these I got it's like it's

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00:27:26 ◼   ► with this ever sticks I got you know for

00:27:34 ◼   ► long time I would get the cans and then

00:27:35 ◼   ► on haul I should do the Soda Stream and

00:27:37 ◼   ► of course then you know III think I

00:27:40 ◼   ► became in our circle somewhat well known

00:27:41 ◼   ► ya for doing the SodaStream that's part

00:27:43 ◼   ► of your brain know that it matters but

00:27:45 ◼   ► like no I would make it I was really

00:27:47 ◼   ► into it and I got really into it I got

00:27:49 ◼   ► extra bottles and then pretty soon I was

00:27:51 ◼   ► getting into a situation where I was

00:27:53 ◼   ► remodeled because he wanted a stockpile

00:27:55 ◼   ► he got a stockpile I'm not gonna be out

00:27:56 ◼   ► of it but then of course we got a kid

00:27:58 ◼   ► and you can't do that at night it wakes

00:28:00 ◼   ► up the whole household and then III I

00:28:03 ◼   ► passed the Rubicon II and sticks which

00:28:05 ◼   ► is that at this point is like okay this

00:28:06 ◼   ► isn't really practical there's too many

00:28:08 ◼   ► like bottles that have to be washed and

00:28:10 ◼   ► there's the Rubicon Amitha Cobo them

00:28:13 ◼   ► yeah go both ways

00:28:14 ◼   ► mm-hmm a pill yeah anyway so that's how

00:28:18 ◼   ► I got back into the cans and then

00:28:19 ◼   ► eventually in the fullness of time I

00:28:20 ◼   ► discovered the Canada Drive brand and I

00:28:22 ◼   ► started now you know there's a problem

00:28:24 ◼   ► so now I'm not they're trying to buy

00:28:25 ◼   ► like the Mickey Mouse LSD like I had to

00:28:27 ◼   ► have a special kind of fizzy

00:28:29 ◼   ► it's just you know I don't have places

00:28:31 ◼   ► to talk about this so this is an

00:28:33 ◼   ► opportunity to the ATM in order to pay

00:28:43 ◼   ► your dealer anyway what's the worst

00:28:51 ◼   ► thing I type this really don't talk

00:28:53 ◼   ► about Gibson was the wrong keyboard or

00:28:55 ◼   ► the worst thing to do with a common

00:28:57 ◼   ► denominator well let me ask you first of

00:28:59 ◼   ► all I this is the only I'm always amazed

00:29:02 ◼   ► as you know yeah by computer people and

00:29:05 ◼   ► by their their ups and downs their ins

00:29:09 ◼   ► and outs their foibles their you know

00:29:11 ◼   ► their common little like keychains that

00:29:16 ◼   ► they hand to one another it must seem

00:29:18 ◼   ► very odd to you and you have for a long

00:29:22 ◼   ► time you were my number one computer guy

00:29:24 ◼   ► the one that was that would explain all

00:29:26 ◼   ► the computers to me and when I would say

00:29:29 ◼   ► what the what the world you would say oh

00:29:33 ◼   ► well that's just this or this is just

00:29:37 ◼   ► that oh thank you I like to think of it

00:29:41 ◼   ► John is I think I I feel this is true

00:29:43 ◼   ► for myself with technology for a long

00:29:44 ◼   ► time and I know it's true with other

00:29:46 ◼   ► people who instruct me which is like I

00:29:48 ◼   ► just I don't need to know everything

00:29:49 ◼   ► about this at a high level let me know

00:29:52 ◼   ► if this is something I need to know

00:29:53 ◼   ► about and if it is or something I just

00:29:55 ◼   ► need to not worry about or think about

00:29:56 ◼   ► right and if it is something I might

00:29:59 ◼   ► want to be interested in can you just

00:30:01 ◼   ► give me some bullets to just sort of a

00:30:02 ◼   ► quaint need to kind of be my personal

00:30:04 ◼   ► Wikipedia for letting me know like if

00:30:06 ◼   ► I'm in the ballpark for getting near

00:30:08 ◼   ► understanding of this thing so I can say

00:30:10 ◼   ► to you like oh you don't need to worry

00:30:11 ◼   ► about that yeah you don't need to sign

00:30:12 ◼   ► up for that service that's silly don't

00:30:13 ◼   ► do that you did that a lot for me you

00:30:16 ◼   ► would say that's not a thing that you

00:30:17 ◼   ► care about and I would say butBut and

00:30:19 ◼   ► you'd say no yeah don't worry don't

00:30:21 ◼   ► worry don't worry if that ever becomes a

00:30:24 ◼   ► thing that you need to know about you'll

00:30:25 ◼   ► know about it and I was like great

00:30:27 ◼   ► awesome but there are still things that

00:30:31 ◼   ► amaze me all the time I had a question

00:30:35 ◼   ► about for instance last night it seemed

00:30:38 ◼   ► like when I got home I

00:30:40 ◼   ► on the internet to look at things as you

00:30:44 ◼   ► do and it seemed like everyone that I

00:30:48 ◼   ► knew and everyone in the world well

00:30:51 ◼   ► everyone was watching Jesus Christ

00:30:54 ◼   ► Superstar on the television yes and my

00:30:58 ◼   ► question was not like why because

00:31:05 ◼   ► obviously Jesus Christ Superstar is

00:31:07 ◼   ► amazing and and and this was a live

00:31:11 ◼   ► production of it live streaming on TV

00:31:13 ◼   ► yeah they did they did a live production

00:31:16 ◼   ► of it

00:31:17 ◼   ► for the East Coast and the west coast so

00:31:19 ◼   ► they did it twice but oh oh really in

00:31:21 ◼   ► both times it was a different

00:31:23 ◼   ► performance I think so typically when

00:31:25 ◼   ► NBC does these live things that they

00:31:27 ◼   ► tend to do it twice and judging by the

00:31:30 ◼   ► way Judah's kind of screwed up the

00:31:32 ◼   ► lyrics for know he did fine but it was a

00:31:36 ◼   ► loud room I think he lost the cadence a

00:31:38 ◼   ► little bit but that guy was good where

00:31:40 ◼   ► was the performance taking place I want

00:31:43 ◼   ► to say the Los Angeles area so here's my

00:31:47 ◼   ► question I do not remember in the last

00:31:52 ◼   ► five days everybody saying we're all

00:31:57 ◼   ► gonna watch Jesus Christ Superstar on TV

00:31:59 ◼   ► right everybody came out of nowhere it

00:32:02 ◼   ► came out of nowhere and everyone seemed

00:32:06 ◼   ► to be watching it I hadn't heard about

00:32:08 ◼   ► it and also I think if I had heard about

00:32:11 ◼   ► it like the premise wouldn't have

00:32:15 ◼   ► necessarily been super enticing like Oh

00:32:18 ◼   ► NBC is gonna do a live Jesus Christ

00:32:21 ◼   ► Superstar I would have been like you

00:32:23 ◼   ► know what you wouldn't like clear your

00:32:24 ◼   ► schedule for that if you know about two

00:32:25 ◼   ► weeks ahead yeah like there's a lot of

00:32:27 ◼   ► stuff going on that you can watch on TV

00:32:30 ◼   ► and and yet it seemed like everybody

00:32:35 ◼   ► just agreed offline or in a secret news

00:32:38 ◼   ► group oh we're all gonna watch this

00:32:41 ◼   ► thing and we're all gonna like live

00:32:43 ◼   ► comment on it and I understand when it's

00:32:45 ◼   ► the Oscars or something yeah that

00:32:47 ◼   ► everybody's on everybody's watching the

00:32:49 ◼   ► Oscars it's just understood that you're

00:32:50 ◼   ► gonna do it

00:32:52 ◼   ► that was an example of a cultural moment

00:32:54 ◼   ► where where I was like okay do I follow

00:32:59 ◼   ► 400 people who just all are really into

00:33:01 ◼   ► musical theater is that that's not

00:33:04 ◼   ► unlikely and it's not impossible

00:33:06 ◼   ► like what was like where did this come

00:33:07 ◼   ► from and when it came where it came from

00:33:09 ◼   ► is it more about an interesting a live

00:33:11 ◼   ► event is it about the the theatre part

00:33:14 ◼   ► is it about you're curious about this

00:33:15 ◼   ► production like what how did it become

00:33:17 ◼   ► such a phenom yeah do you have any

00:33:19 ◼   ► insight into that

00:33:20 ◼   ► for me yeah I mean I think just because

00:33:22 ◼   ► of my own way in with it was I had not

00:33:24 ◼   ► heard about this at all yeah at all and

00:33:27 ◼   ► then mmm I saw a couple people on

00:33:31 ◼   ► political Twitter making jokes about

00:33:33 ◼   ► Jesus Christ Superstar and referencing

00:33:35 ◼   ► mr. shows Jeepers Creepers and and I

00:33:38 ◼   ► thought that's kind of weird everybody's

00:33:39 ◼   ► mentioning that and then it didn't seem

00:33:41 ◼   ► like it was until like I think Saturday

00:33:43 ◼   ► night Sunday morning that I was even

00:33:45 ◼   ► aware that this was gonna be a thing I

00:33:46 ◼   ► don't know I don't know where I mean I

00:33:49 ◼   ► just there's a testament to this is the

00:33:51 ◼   ► fact that when I did flip it on at 7:58

00:33:53 ◼   ► last night there was a show where Steve

00:33:55 ◼   ► Harvey talks to talented children - oh I

00:33:58 ◼   ► didn't know existed because I don't know

00:33:59 ◼   ► I don't know most TV exists not cuz I'm

00:34:02 ◼   ► a snob but just cuz that's the nature of

00:34:03 ◼   ► TV today let's find out about it and I

00:34:05 ◼   ► am a fan of I mean I guess I'm a fan of

00:34:09 ◼   ► the musical I'm really a super fan of a

00:34:13 ◼   ► handful of the songs yeah and my

00:34:16 ◼   ► daughter is getting more into what you

00:34:19 ◼   ► could generally call musical theater I

00:34:21 ◼   ► mean she likes some musicals a lot and

00:34:23 ◼   ► especially some kind of like especially

00:34:24 ◼   ► stage II things a lot I thought you know

00:34:26 ◼   ► this could be fun she doesn't know if

00:34:27 ◼   ► Jesus I had to give her a lot of like

00:34:29 ◼   ► backstory on what's happening with Judas

00:34:30 ◼   ► Jesus backstory yeah basically said

00:34:33 ◼   ► Judas Judas in this is good apart from

00:34:35 ◼   ► also being a black guy Judas and this is

00:34:37 ◼   ► kind of like Aaron Burr and Hamilton

00:34:39 ◼   ► he's the ring he sort of down to earth

00:34:42 ◼   ► he's worried about being practical yeah

00:34:44 ◼   ► but no that's the time I found out about

00:34:45 ◼   ► it we watched it I let her watch a

00:34:47 ◼   ► little bit of it she got to see Caiaphas

00:34:48 ◼   ► in the shed to go to bed I know a lot

00:34:50 ◼   ► about Steve Harvey mm-hmm

00:34:53 ◼   ► because I follow do you know Vic burger

00:34:56 ◼   ► is well he makes the funny videos right

00:34:58 ◼   ► he makes the funny videos yeah Joey

00:35:00 ◼   ► knows about Kenan Thompson's

00:35:01 ◼   ► impersonation of him from Sarah alive

00:35:04 ◼   ► that's the guy that the guy you like I'm

00:35:05 ◼   ► Sara alive is impersonated he Victor gur

00:35:09 ◼   ► makes little videos oh my gosh so funny

00:35:12 ◼   ► his Jim Baker it is oh my god they're

00:35:14 ◼   ► they're awful

00:35:16 ◼   ► but his Steve Harvey videos are are also

00:35:19 ◼   ► he hasn't made one in a while but

00:35:20 ◼   ► they're very fun and so I have a so I

00:35:23 ◼   ► became aware of Steve Harvey and then

00:35:25 ◼   ► you know did a little background

00:35:27 ◼   ► research on him to know what the hell I

00:35:28 ◼   ► was looking at the Jim Baker food

00:35:31 ◼   ► buckets that's that is a very very funny

00:35:34 ◼   ► assist ivar he's like he's kind of a

00:35:36 ◼   ► throwback maybe a little bit along the

00:35:39 ◼   ► lines of Chris Hardwick kind of a

00:35:40 ◼   ► throwback to a kind of character you

00:35:42 ◼   ► don't see as much anymore actually the

00:35:44 ◼   ► kind of character I always thought you

00:35:45 ◼   ► should aspire to be which is a TV

00:35:47 ◼   ► personality you got people who just show

00:35:49 ◼   ► up and do stuff in different places and

00:35:51 ◼   ► sometimes they have a regular show or

00:35:53 ◼   ► another regular show but they're just

00:35:54 ◼   ► like a fixture of TV to a mental says

00:35:59 ◼   ► disparagingly but to administer your

00:36:00 ◼   ► mind you go oh look that Steve Harvey

00:36:01 ◼   ► he's doing another thing yeah sort of

00:36:04 ◼   ► like what sort of like I don't say Paul

00:36:06 ◼   ► Lin but sort of like along the lines of

00:36:09 ◼   ► somebody you would see on Mike Douglas

00:36:10 ◼   ► you know who might host you know battle

00:36:13 ◼   ► the network stars or something

00:36:15 ◼   ► I mean that that world doesn't exist

00:36:17 ◼   ► anymore and I and that's kind of the

00:36:19 ◼   ► thing that confuses me about this thing

00:36:22 ◼   ► that you watched last night because it

00:36:24 ◼   ► feels like a throwback to a time when

00:36:26 ◼   ► everybody sat down to watch the day

00:36:28 ◼   ► after no you're gonna watch the one

00:36:37 ◼   ► you're gonna watch the show where

00:36:39 ◼   ► there's not that much event viewing

00:36:41 ◼   ► anymore and in any age of so lots of

00:36:44 ◼   ► people like idiots like me will there

00:36:47 ◼   ► are a handful of shows like Game of

00:36:48 ◼   ► Thrones that I will watch the second

00:36:50 ◼   ► that it comes on but you can't really

00:36:52 ◼   ► talk about it because the spoilers and

00:36:54 ◼   ► stuff but like a part if you're not in

00:36:55 ◼   ► the world of live sports you don't have

00:36:58 ◼   ► that much community event viewing

00:37:01 ◼   ► anymore right community event viewing

00:37:04 ◼   ► and well you know I don't even have a TV

00:37:09 ◼   ► oh of course I don't either

00:37:11 ◼   ► I thought you have TV I don't know about

00:37:13 ◼   ► it but so you were saying earlier that

00:37:15 ◼   ► you were like oh

00:37:17 ◼   ► and I have the wrong keyboard and and

00:37:19 ◼   ► and so in my mind all of a sudden not

00:37:22 ◼   ► only did did my mind generate a world in

00:37:25 ◼   ► which you have like a shelf with between

00:37:29 ◼   ► nine and fifteen keyboards and you pull

00:37:32 ◼   ► them down like like people from West

00:37:34 ◼   ► Virginia deploy rifles yeah oh man I

00:37:37 ◼   ► need my or just like oh I need my Gibson

00:37:40 ◼   ► SG for this song you're like oh this is

00:37:43 ◼   ► my router come the line keyboard doing a

00:37:45 ◼   ► personal Harold you're like bringing all

00:37:46 ◼   ► the topics together and and and so I was

00:37:54 ◼   ► like wow but then I thought then

00:37:56 ◼   ► immediately I left - oh shit do I not

00:37:59 ◼   ► have enough keyboards oh no I was just

00:38:03 ◼   ► like Oh Merlin didn't tell me I needed

00:38:05 ◼   ► multiple keyboards and now you send me a

00:38:08 ◼   ► picture and what it seems like you have

00:38:10 ◼   ► is an analog clickety clack keyboard and

00:38:13 ◼   ► then you have that great little keyboard

00:38:15 ◼   ► that you told me to buy a long time ago

00:38:20 ◼   ► the little solar-powered keyboard and I

00:38:23 ◼   ► still have mine and not only do I have

00:38:25 ◼   ► one but I got another one for another

00:38:28 ◼   ► key or another computer and I think

00:38:31 ◼   ► they're just great little keyboards so

00:38:33 ◼   ► you were saying you were gonna be on the

00:38:34 ◼   ► clackety-clack one but look at all the

00:38:36 ◼   ► gears you see all the dander on these

00:38:37 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah I posted a picture of my

00:38:42 ◼   ► keyboard one time and I got like 45

00:38:45 ◼   ► disgusting anymore I got a box cutter

00:38:49 ◼   ► you terrorist scotch tape you like

00:38:51 ◼   ► scotch brand tape expensive earphones I

00:38:55 ◼   ► bet I bet though five dollar bill I

00:38:57 ◼   ► can't believe you still use cash what is

00:39:02 ◼   ► that is that a moleskin pair why don't

00:39:07 ◼   ► you if it's a solar keyboard why don't

00:39:09 ◼   ► you clean off the solar part monkey

00:39:11 ◼   ► solar part thanks thanks thanks buddy I

00:39:13 ◼   ► got it I got a tweet yesterday that was

00:39:17 ◼   ► and this is how you know that there it's

00:39:19 ◼   ► a crazy tweet because although it's only

00:39:22 ◼   ► at they only at me they're speaking as

00:39:27 ◼   ► though they are talking about me to a

00:39:29 ◼   ► group of people

00:39:31 ◼   ► check the tweet before that one oh I see

00:39:34 ◼   ► where Professor Roderick yeah she I

00:39:38 ◼   ► think this was just out of the blue or

00:39:40 ◼   ► no it was in reply cuz I sent out some I

00:39:42 ◼   ► sent out some tweets I mean you get

00:39:44 ◼   ► you're getting lots of lots of responses

00:39:45 ◼   ► to your nice tweets that was a nice

00:39:47 ◼   ► tweet storm you did well I was very I'm

00:39:49 ◼   ► pretty shy about about promoting myself

00:39:52 ◼   ► and yeah and about promoting the podcast

00:39:56 ◼   ► but you did it well you did it well and

00:39:57 ◼   ► you were real straight up about it you

00:39:58 ◼   ► didn't go hey for the afternoon crowd in

00:40:00 ◼   ► case you missed it titillating yeah you

00:40:03 ◼   ► were straight up you said hey I make

00:40:04 ◼   ► these podcasts and I'm happy I'm proud

00:40:06 ◼   ► of these and if you're not listening to

00:40:07 ◼   ► them I like you to give them a try and I

00:40:09 ◼   ► thought you're a real gentleman about it

00:40:10 ◼   ► well and I got a lot of nice nice nice

00:40:13 ◼   ► replies a lot of a lot of people that

00:40:15 ◼   ► that you know that obviously like

00:40:18 ◼   ► Roderick on the line was their

00:40:19 ◼   ► introduction and and their and they

00:40:22 ◼   ► still love the show and they wanted to

00:40:24 ◼   ► say how much that they did and and you

00:40:26 ◼   ► know I love that stuff although that's

00:40:27 ◼   ► not when I was president nixon said you

00:40:32 ◼   ► get a silent majority you get I mean the

00:40:34 ◼   ► truth is most people who listen dear to

00:40:36 ◼   ► a podcast like tend to like the podcast

00:40:39 ◼   ► and why would they ever say anything

00:40:40 ◼   ► about it

00:40:41 ◼   ► it's nice when people do that I'm happy

00:40:44 ◼   ► and humbled when people do that it makes

00:40:46 ◼   ► me very happy

00:40:47 ◼   ► yeah me too me too absolutely but then

00:40:50 ◼   ► but then and and and as you're just

00:40:52 ◼   ► describing like when I put them out

00:40:54 ◼   ► there I thought you're cuz every time

00:40:58 ◼   ► you're reading the replies you're like

00:40:59 ◼   ► well how long before I get how long

00:41:02 ◼   ► before I get a turkey here how long

00:41:04 ◼   ► before I get that before I met the wonka

00:41:06 ◼   ► factory and the goose that's laying the

00:41:08 ◼   ► golden eggs one of them goes and goes

00:41:10 ◼   ► down the shithole you know what I mean I

00:41:13 ◼   ► know and there was one that was just

00:41:15 ◼   ► like some asshole remark and I went and

00:41:18 ◼   ► looked at their bio and their Twitter

00:41:19 ◼   ► bio was like I'm an asshole I was like

00:41:21 ◼   ► okay you're easy to block yeah but this

00:41:25 ◼   ► couple years ago I couldn't you know it

00:41:31 ◼   ► said no the one that's the one that was

00:41:35 ◼   ► like I'm an asshole was just you know

00:41:36 ◼   ► like what do you call three white guys

00:41:39 ◼   ► sitting around with nothing to talk

00:41:41 ◼   ► about a podcast it's like

00:41:43 ◼   ► that's good stuff that's good you should

00:41:46 ◼   ► never take it on the road but no this

00:41:49 ◼   ► guy was like I used to love Roderick on

00:41:52 ◼   ► the line I listen to it all the time it

00:41:54 ◼   ► was you know might be a number one show

00:41:56 ◼   ► or whatever but I listen to friendly

00:41:59 ◼   ► fire my podcast where I talk about war

00:42:01 ◼   ► movies and John was so mean to Saving

00:42:06 ◼   ► Private Ryan hmm

00:42:08 ◼   ► that I can't listen to any of the shows

00:42:12 ◼   ► anymore not only know that sounds like a

00:42:14 ◼   ► straight-up medical situation very very

00:42:17 ◼   ► difficult to diagnose what happened is

00:42:20 ◼   ► that what happened is Johnson did make a

00:42:22 ◼   ► movie and now you can't listen to his

00:42:23 ◼   ► stuff well it wasn't just the night that

00:42:25 ◼   ► I said I do like Saving Private Ryan I

00:42:29 ◼   ► might have like oversold how mad I guess

00:42:33 ◼   ► we just complement things all the time

00:42:39 ◼   ► movies if you don't like wow this bag

00:42:43 ◼   ► check mix check party mix not really

00:42:46 ◼   ► good I like every single thing in it I

00:42:48 ◼   ► can't even I don't even know which one

00:42:50 ◼   ► to praise most they're all so good I can

00:42:52 ◼   ► imagine why anybody would love these

00:42:54 ◼   ► more than all of their foods I could not

00:42:56 ◼   ► praise anyone more than another you get

00:42:59 ◼   ► oh you know what you forgot you forgot

00:43:01 ◼   ► this other check mix that I make these

00:43:03 ◼   ► never heard of you forgot you forgot I

00:43:05 ◼   ► love you for God guy oh there was a guy

00:43:07 ◼   ► that replied and said oh yeah podcasts

00:43:10 ◼   ► were great you should listen to mine

00:43:15 ◼   ► another guy like a pretty excellent guy

00:43:18 ◼   ► was like that's kind of not how you do

00:43:21 ◼   ► it you don't do that you don't like

00:43:23 ◼   ► reply to somebody's really nice tweet

00:43:26 ◼   ► stream about what they're making with a

00:43:28 ◼   ► link to your own thing and then the guy

00:43:30 ◼   ► applied to that guy oh boy and said it's

00:43:33 ◼   ► on he said you don't know me man I'm

00:43:36 ◼   ► living in my car right now and still I'm

00:43:37 ◼   ► managing to put podcasts out every week

00:43:43 ◼   ► [Music]

00:43:44 ◼   ► he was like well you know like being

00:43:47 ◼   ► poor and being an asshole are not

00:43:49 ◼   ► mutually exclusive Oh doctor what are

00:43:51 ◼   ► you

00:43:52 ◼   ► I just always we talked about this

00:43:54 ◼   ► before I've talked about this everywhere

00:43:55 ◼   ► I'm sorry it's just how I feel I think

00:43:58 ◼   ► one must be very careful about feeling a

00:44:02 ◼   ► level of familiarity with a stranger -

00:44:04 ◼   ► to where your first time that you

00:44:07 ◼   ► address them you address them as though

00:44:10 ◼   ► they know you as well as you feel you

00:44:14 ◼   ► know them and I almost did it last night

00:44:16 ◼   ► somebody like that I like and follow on

00:44:18 ◼   ► political Twitter who has no idea who I

00:44:19 ◼   ► am had a hot take on how Godspell is

00:44:21 ◼   ► better than Jesus Christ Superstar which

00:44:23 ◼   ► of course is a garbage opinion and I was

00:44:25 ◼   ► I was about to make a joke about it and

00:44:27 ◼   ► then I thought wait a minute if somebody

00:44:29 ◼   ► if somebody did that to me I'd go like

00:44:32 ◼   ► this / like you know basically the sound

00:44:36 ◼   ► of running into something in an old

00:44:37 ◼   ► video game try the key again and like

00:44:44 ◼   ► that my first interaction with Matthew

00:44:46 ◼   ► Gertz might have been ma I'm gonna let

00:44:48 ◼   ► you have this one because it's Easter

00:44:50 ◼   ► Matthew Gertz and of course you would

00:44:52 ◼   ► see that I close the window I'm gonna be

00:44:59 ◼   ► my first interaction with this person

00:45:00 ◼   ► that I like and admire is to be an

00:45:02 ◼   ► asshole and I was like don't be that guy

00:45:04 ◼   ► ya see I'm not even saying you have to

00:45:08 ◼   ► go and like roll out of carpet and bring

00:45:10 ◼   ► a fizzy drink and say oh I love

00:45:11 ◼   ► everything you do but like don't don't

00:45:13 ◼   ► assume like a level of familiarity that

00:45:15 ◼   ► thought that's not there somebody is

00:45:17 ◼   ► there with you well look what happened

00:45:18 ◼   ► with that guy decade that somebody

00:45:20 ◼   ► turned around did that to him and he got

00:45:22 ◼   ► all touchy about it oh he was mad he was

00:45:23 ◼   ► mad in fact he ended up texting and

00:45:26 ◼   ► tweeting me that he blocked the other

00:45:27 ◼   ► dude oh and I was like hey buddy you and

00:45:30 ◼   ► I are not the friends in this scenario

00:45:32 ◼   ► like you and I are not the ones that are

00:45:34 ◼   ► conspiring against the other guy who is

00:45:35 ◼   ► moving myself from this narrow but I you

00:45:39 ◼   ► know I still do it where I see somebody

00:45:42 ◼   ► I admire on Twitter that I think is

00:45:44 ◼   ► doing something funny and I try to chime

00:45:46 ◼   ► in with some funny thing like law

00:45:51 ◼   ► [Laughter]

00:45:55 ◼   ► and I'm just like oh and then I kind of

00:45:58 ◼   ► you know my shoulders sag and I'm like

00:46:04 ◼   ► you know and then I would go through a

00:46:06 ◼   ► little minute or two where I'm like just

00:46:07 ◼   ► don't even bother my friend Elon Gale

00:46:21 ◼   ► right the the producer of The Bachelor

00:46:24 ◼   ► the airplane guy because he's the

00:46:25 ◼   ► airplane he says he's whatever Janet and

00:46:29 ◼   ► c7c try his troublemaker he's a

00:46:33 ◼   ► troublemaker and he probably gets 20,000

00:46:35 ◼   ► replies to every tweet he does oh yeah

00:46:37 ◼   ► like let me let me redo your joke in a

00:46:39 ◼   ► not as funny way or explain it to you

00:46:40 ◼   ► yeah yep

00:46:42 ◼   ► but he's incredibly good about making

00:46:45 ◼   ► sure that if if I like jump in and go

00:46:55 ◼   ► like a little leg up he always gives me

00:46:58 ◼   ► a prop he oh he always like he always

00:47:00 ◼   ► does a touch right he just like reaches

00:47:02 ◼   ► out and and even if it's just like yeah

00:47:04 ◼   ► buddy

00:47:04 ◼   ► he he's super duper duper considerate

00:47:08 ◼   ► about the about like there's my friend

00:47:11 ◼   ► and I don't know how he does it I don't

00:47:12 ◼   ► know how he's scanning through all this

00:47:14 ◼   ► stuff and maybe he has some setting

00:47:15 ◼   ► where he's just like people I know are

00:47:17 ◼   ► the only ones I want to see oh it's good

00:47:20 ◼   ► about just like hello and gives that

00:47:23 ◼   ► little touch that's nice I'm not good at

00:47:25 ◼   ► it people are like you know trying to

00:47:27 ◼   ► jump in all the time and I'm just like

00:47:28 ◼   ► yeah that's funny that's funny but I

00:47:29 ◼   ► don't like give them a bunch of I'm not

00:47:31 ◼   ► like throwing a game at everybody yeah

00:47:36 ◼   ► but boy it's unseemly it is but but but

00:47:40 ◼   ► you know if I'm like jumping in on some

00:47:41 ◼   ► some thread of friends and I'm like yeah

00:47:44 ◼   ► you guys and it's just like you know

00:47:46 ◼   ► just to hear that tumbleweed never try

00:47:51 ◼   ► never try just go just go die aren't you

00:47:54 ◼   ► being a try-hard

00:47:55 ◼   ► this is a term I learned last week are

00:47:56 ◼   ► you being a trihard mmm see now I need

00:47:59 ◼   ► you a good thing to do are you are you

00:48:00 ◼   ► here for this is this everything right

00:48:02 ◼   ► now I'm here

00:48:09 ◼   ► everybody's telling you what they're

00:48:11 ◼   ► here for

00:48:11 ◼   ► Oh tell me though tell me that is

00:48:14 ◼   ► everything or or or sometimes there are

00:48:16 ◼   ► some kinds of things that are too real

00:48:18 ◼   ► what do these things mean oh I don't

00:48:20 ◼   ► know like these Easter eggs were too

00:48:21 ◼   ► real Twitter told me too real no what

00:48:24 ◼   ► you real like oh man who to to real I'm

00:48:28 ◼   ► here for this I'm here for this I'm here

00:48:30 ◼   ► for this where do you put the accent I'm

00:48:37 ◼   ► here I'm here for this

00:48:39 ◼   ► oh man you uh you uh untangled a lot of

00:48:43 ◼   ► wire there well you know the thing that

00:48:45 ◼   ► was going around a few years ago which

00:48:47 ◼   ► was I'm done Oh

00:48:49 ◼   ► [Music]

00:48:50 ◼   ► people were like all right I'm done and

00:48:53 ◼   ► it wasn't friendly it wasn't like I'm

00:48:55 ◼   ► done it was like I'm done and they were

00:48:59 ◼   ► so gallantly Sam over this yeah it was

00:49:03 ◼   ► like a mic drop thing where they have

00:49:04 ◼   ► some exchange with somebody and then

00:49:06 ◼   ► they just be like I'm done mm-hm as

00:49:07 ◼   ► though like they were some you know some

00:49:12 ◼   ► King in a like a 50s teleplay who was

00:49:16 ◼   ► like off with his head or something or

00:49:18 ◼   ► like vaudeville they're giving you the

00:49:19 ◼   ► hook oh the hook right but but it wasn't

00:49:23 ◼   ► funny or friendly and I remember so I

00:49:26 ◼   ► when I was running for City Council

00:49:28 ◼   ► I was sitting in the stranger offices

00:49:31 ◼   ► with their election Control Board with

00:49:35 ◼   ► my opponents the three of us were

00:49:37 ◼   ► sitting in or four of us I'm sorry we're

00:49:39 ◼   ► sitting around a big table with all of

00:49:41 ◼   ► the stranger editorial writers and they

00:49:43 ◼   ► were peppering us with hard question

00:49:45 ◼   ► hats it said press on them they

00:49:48 ◼   ► basically did and there was an on the

00:49:51 ◼   ► election Control Board there were like

00:49:52 ◼   ► three people who were older in the my

00:49:56 ◼   ► age area one of them was Dan Savage

00:49:59 ◼   ► who's Lou older than me one of them was

00:50:02 ◼   ► Tim Keck the publisher who's a little

00:50:03 ◼   ► older than me but they were like put

00:50:05 ◼   ► olds and then there were the Youngs who

00:50:07 ◼   ► were all in their mid 20s who were like

00:50:10 ◼   ► the radical stranger writers who believe

00:50:12 ◼   ► that private property should be

00:50:14 ◼   ► abolished and that we don't need police

00:50:17 ◼   ► and they were really one of them in

00:50:20 ◼   ► particular who ended up getting fired

00:50:21 ◼   ► from the stranger for being a dickhole

00:50:23 ◼   ► and like a not not just personality wise

00:50:26 ◼   ► but he was fired because he did

00:50:29 ◼   ► unscrupulous journalistic things that's

00:50:31 ◼   ► not good you know what that no and I

00:50:33 ◼   ► never liked it means that he's a tool

00:50:34 ◼   ► and a bad writer but he definitely felt

00:50:38 ◼   ► like he wanted the other guy to win my

00:50:43 ◼   ► opponent to win he could use it was just

00:50:44 ◼   ► written all over him and he was asking

00:50:46 ◼   ► peppering me with questions about stuff

00:50:49 ◼   ► that my opponent was an expert on so one

00:50:53 ◼   ► of my opponents was a housing like a

00:50:56 ◼   ► housing advocate and he was directing

00:51:01 ◼   ► the the the writer was directing a

00:51:04 ◼   ► stream of increasingly hostile questions

00:51:07 ◼   ► to me like well what's your housing plan

00:51:08 ◼   ► and essentially my answer was my housing

00:51:12 ◼   ► plan is once I'm elected I'm gonna hire

00:51:13 ◼   ► this guy to my right to be my housing

00:51:15 ◼   ► guy what are you talking about what's my

00:51:17 ◼   ► housing plan I'm not gonna go

00:51:18 ◼   ► head-to-head with a with my opponent

00:51:20 ◼   ► who's got it for ten years has been

00:51:22 ◼   ► developing a housing plan mm-hmm like

00:51:25 ◼   ► I'm running for City Council not for

00:51:27 ◼   ► housing guy and at one point he said he

00:51:32 ◼   ► leaned back in his chair and he was like

00:51:33 ◼   ► I've done really yeah that's the thing

00:51:37 ◼   ► that he said yeah and I felt what when

00:51:40 ◼   ► you go back when you run for office like

00:51:42 ◼   ► that it's a very concentrated set of

00:51:46 ◼   ► events where apparently if I'm any

00:51:50 ◼   ► indication the rest of your life you

00:51:52 ◼   ► will be replaying those moments ongoing

00:51:54 ◼   ► oh you know what I should have said

00:51:55 ◼   ► because it's a lot of those things all

00:51:58 ◼   ► at once and you know you build up a

00:52:00 ◼   ► lifetime's a lifetime worth of what I

00:52:05 ◼   ► should have said like what every time

00:52:07 ◼   ► I'm driving necessary tasks ali-a yeah

00:52:09 ◼   ► if I drive for very long I will my mind

00:52:12 ◼   ► will start to go to some event in a

00:52:15 ◼   ► union hall somewhere where I should have

00:52:17 ◼   ► told somebody where they could put it

00:52:20 ◼   ► and what I should have said to that guy

00:52:22 ◼   ► was exactly what I mean you're done

00:52:28 ◼   ► gonna done like that

00:52:30 ◼   ► but you're done yeah buddy now you don't

00:52:32 ◼   ► want to become that guy where you're

00:52:34 ◼   ► famous for that interview well you know

00:52:38 ◼   ► I'd rather be famous for that interview

00:52:39 ◼   ► that not famous for that interview

00:52:41 ◼   ► that's a what Scott said you know I

00:52:46 ◼   ► could have I would have happily burned

00:52:48 ◼   ► that place down because the stranger was

00:52:51 ◼   ► supposed to they were supposed to be my

00:52:52 ◼   ► friends right I've known I've been part

00:52:55 ◼   ► of the stranger I've written for the

00:52:56 ◼   ► stranger they're all they're all pals

00:52:58 ◼   ► you know and yet they had this every

00:53:02 ◼   ► three years they hire a bunch of new

00:53:04 ◼   ► young writers and the new young writers

00:53:07 ◼   ► weren't friends of mine they didn't know

00:53:08 ◼   ► anything about me and it was like oh I

00:53:10 ◼   ► expected some leftist Oldboy Network

00:53:14 ◼   ► treatment where I was like the stranger

00:53:17 ◼   ► has been you know like the stranger is a

00:53:19 ◼   ► radical newspaper I'm a radical we've

00:53:21 ◼   ► always been on the same page but now

00:53:24 ◼   ► there are a bunch of 24 year olds that

00:53:25 ◼   ► think I'm a that think I'm some crusty

00:53:31 ◼   ► ten years ago I in the spirit of your

00:53:35 ◼   ► personal Harold I feel like there's a

00:53:37 ◼   ► sort of a threat that runs through some

00:53:39 ◼   ► of this stuff that something is

00:53:40 ◼   ► something that I try to be aware of

00:53:41 ◼   ► because I think it's important I mean

00:53:44 ◼   ► one problem when we communicate with

00:53:46 ◼   ► others and especially today in the

00:53:48 ◼   ► weirdly mediated way that we have access

00:53:50 ◼   ► to strangers not the titular stranger

00:53:54 ◼   ► but people we don't know I I feel like

00:53:58 ◼   ► there's a certain kind of I'm done

00:54:02 ◼   ► tone to things I certainly do it I'm

00:54:05 ◼   ► sure we all do it we all have limited

00:54:07 ◼   ► attention in patience and vulnerability

00:54:12 ◼   ► that we're willing to have destroyed but

00:54:14 ◼   ► I think I think one thing you don't have

00:54:17 ◼   ► to be cute about this you don't have to

00:54:20 ◼   ► be like a fakie weirdo about it but like

00:54:24 ◼   ► when you're interacting with people in

00:54:26 ◼   ► general I think it's important to try

00:54:29 ◼   ► and leave room leave air like you don't

00:54:33 ◼   ► need to settle every mystery immediately

00:54:35 ◼   ► there should be it doesn't necessarily

00:54:36 ◼   ► like a flirtation but in interactions

00:54:38 ◼   ► that you have with people there should

00:54:41 ◼   ► you unless you have a real unless you're

00:54:44 ◼   ► like you know

00:54:44 ◼   ► serving a warrant like generally try and

00:54:47 ◼   ► leave some air try to leave some room

00:54:50 ◼   ► for joy for playfulness for the other

00:54:55 ◼   ► person to have an opportunity to to get

00:54:57 ◼   ► get their fun in as well but also and I

00:55:02 ◼   ► want to say this I'm not saying you have

00:55:03 ◼   ► to have a relationship with everybody

00:55:04 ◼   ► but like it seems like a lot of

00:55:06 ◼   ► communication in some ways especially on

00:55:09 ◼   ► the internet especially in places like

00:55:10 ◼   ► Twitter comes down to like you're a bad

00:55:12 ◼   ► person

00:55:13 ◼   ► you're a bad person and I would never

00:55:15 ◼   ► want to have a relationship with you and

00:55:18 ◼   ► even if that relationship is just kind

00:55:20 ◼   ► of a silent from a distance enjoying

00:55:22 ◼   ► another person's stuff in your case I

00:55:23 ◼   ► mean that was probably kind of not cool

00:55:25 ◼   ► of that person I understand their job is

00:55:26 ◼   ► to comfort the affor to afflict the

00:55:28 ◼   ► company and all that kind of stuff but

00:55:30 ◼   ► like when even in the way you ask

00:55:32 ◼   ► interview questions of people like give

00:55:35 ◼   ► people some space to answer in an

00:55:38 ◼   ► interesting way and if they don't if

00:55:39 ◼   ► they aren't answering the question you

00:55:41 ◼   ► could pursue them but like I feel like

00:55:42 ◼   ► in so many of our interactions we are

00:55:45 ◼   ► we're trying to create some kind of a

00:55:48 ◼   ► conversational trap that leaves no room

00:55:51 ◼   ► for this to go anywhere

00:55:52 ◼   ► we're basically you're just going mad

00:55:54 ◼   ► and then it just stops right there and

00:55:56 ◼   ► like I mean I don't have one specific

00:55:58 ◼   ► example of this that I can give but like

00:56:00 ◼   ► I do know that like a certain amount of

00:56:02 ◼   ► lightness and playfulness and like or

00:56:04 ◼   ► you know or curiosity is maybe another

00:56:07 ◼   ► way to put it like don't be afraid to be

00:56:09 ◼   ► curious and you don't have to be a

00:56:11 ◼   ► weirdo about it but it's what I when

00:56:13 ◼   ► you're communicating with people on

00:56:14 ◼   ► Twitter like think about that like think

00:56:15 ◼   ► about whether you are preemptively

00:56:17 ◼   ► shutting down an actual conversation

00:56:18 ◼   ► that you could have with somebody if it

00:56:20 ◼   ► is a conversation you want having if

00:56:21 ◼   ► it's not just mute them and have them go

00:56:23 ◼   ► away but I don't know I I I don't mean

00:56:26 ◼   ► to be a concern troll here but I worry

00:56:29 ◼   ► that that what starts out as something

00:56:31 ◼   ► we type with our fingers on our phone

00:56:32 ◼   ► can start to affect the way that we

00:56:34 ◼   ► think about any interaction and now

00:56:35 ◼   ► becomes become super annoyed about

00:56:37 ◼   ► everybody in line at the grocery store

00:56:38 ◼   ► and we forget that this is water and

00:56:40 ◼   ► like I don't know I just I'd like to try

00:56:41 ◼   ► and keep that in mind and if I if I I'm

00:56:43 ◼   ► genuinely curious about another person I

00:56:45 ◼   ► want to give them room to take this

00:56:47 ◼   ► thing where they want to go with it

00:56:48 ◼   ► rather than feeling like I'm going to

00:56:50 ◼   ► constrict them or or creep them out by

00:56:52 ◼   ► giving some kind of decisive punctuation

00:56:55 ◼   ► mark about this non relationship we have

00:56:58 ◼   ► I wonder if it is a I wonder if it's a

00:57:01 ◼   ► thing where like wouldn't when we've

00:57:05 ◼   ► talked about this quite a bit when we

00:57:07 ◼   ► were young there were still a lot of

00:57:10 ◼   ► unsolved mysteries yeah right the leaf

00:57:15 ◼   ► flu sure talked about this the Bermuda

00:57:17 ◼   ► Triangle etc or just knowing who the guy

00:57:22 ◼   ► in that show is the unsolved mysteries

00:57:25 ◼   ► yeah no sorry

00:57:26 ◼   ► who was that's not Leonard Nimoy isn't

00:57:29 ◼   ► yeah but was it John Walsh I don't even

00:57:34 ◼   ► I wouldn't know John Walsh would be

00:57:35 ◼   ► walked in right now and handed me a

00:57:36 ◼   ► cupcake okay but I could google him no

00:57:40 ◼   ► but you're right I mean like the obvious

00:57:42 ◼   ► example is like like me sitting there

00:57:43 ◼   ► last night watching a series of

00:57:44 ◼   ► unfortunate events and going look I know

00:57:47 ◼   ► that actress oh it's that actress from

00:57:48 ◼   ► the Austin Powers movies that I really

00:57:50 ◼   ► like and of course I'm able to look that

00:57:51 ◼   ► up instantly and drill straight into

00:57:52 ◼   ► that episode that just aired a day ago

00:57:54 ◼   ► and it's already there I already have

00:57:56 ◼   ► instantly the information about

00:57:58 ◼   ► something that I want immediately that's

00:57:59 ◼   ► a trivial example yeah

00:58:01 ◼   ► Oh John Walsh is exactly who I was

00:58:03 ◼   ► thinking of he's the host of America's

00:58:06 ◼   ► Most Wanted and Adam lost his father

00:58:08 ◼   ► right yeah you had that terrible

00:58:10 ◼   ► situation with his son that's how his

00:58:12 ◼   ► one doesn't want to say career but

00:58:14 ◼   ► that's like he's started off by being an

00:58:16 ◼   ► advocate for for kids well so that's not

00:58:20 ◼   ► that's probably not who did unsolved

00:58:22 ◼   ► mysteries but you're to my pal Gary his

00:58:25 ◼   ► name's Gary you're saying he's not right

00:58:28 ◼   ► Gary I got those tweets that is good

00:58:35 ◼   ► that was funny that was making fun of us

00:58:37 ◼   ► for not remembering one of our canonical

00:58:39 ◼   ► characters but but things that were not

00:58:49 ◼   ► know not easily findable but they not

00:58:51 ◼   ► even be knowable at all well I'm still a

00:58:54 ◼   ► great number of places in the world that

00:58:57 ◼   ► you felt like hadn't been explored right

00:58:59 ◼   ► islands in the South Pacific that were

00:59:02 ◼   ► uninhabited it was still plausible that

00:59:05 ◼   ► Gilligan and the skipper would get into

00:59:07 ◼   ► a shipwreck on a island that

00:59:10 ◼   ► could sustain life but that there just

00:59:12 ◼   ► wasn't anybody living there and it was

00:59:13 ◼   ► uncharted like there were uncharted

00:59:16 ◼   ► places who knew behind the Iron Curtain

00:59:18 ◼   ► who knew it was back they can't prove a

00:59:20 ◼   ► negative like how do you know Atlantis

00:59:22 ◼   ► doesn't exist what we have no way of

00:59:23 ◼   ► knowing we have no way of knowing and

00:59:25 ◼   ► now we've mapped the entire world we've

00:59:29 ◼   ► we believe we have overlaid it with a

00:59:32 ◼   ► grid system enough that we can pretty

00:59:35 ◼   ► much put our put our pinkie down on

00:59:38 ◼   ► anything we wanted to see and with

00:59:42 ◼   ► Wikipedia and everything else we feel

00:59:43 ◼   ► like we've called it all we've named

00:59:45 ◼   ► everything and all that's missing from

00:59:49 ◼   ► Wikipedia is stuff from the olden times

00:59:52 ◼   ► that we haven't brought forward and put

00:59:54 ◼   ► on but there's nothing happening now

00:59:56 ◼   ► that isn't being recorded there's

00:59:57 ◼   ► nothing you know if you

00:59:57 ◼   ► nothing you know if you

01:00:00 ◼   ► when I wanted to go sit and study Google

01:00:03 ◼   ► Earth we could find Gilligan we could

01:00:06 ◼   ► find anything we were looking for and

01:00:11 ◼   ► that's happened in a very brief amount

01:00:13 ◼   ► of time and so so there's an element to

01:00:16 ◼   ► the curiosity that we grew up being

01:00:20 ◼   ► expected to have or it was kind of baked

01:00:23 ◼   ► in a kind of curiosity about what is in

01:00:28 ◼   ► the forest even like oh if I go into the

01:00:31 ◼   ► woods here next to my house cuz I'm a

01:00:34 ◼   ► little kid I don't know how big the

01:00:35 ◼   ► woods are and I imagine maybe the woods

01:00:38 ◼   ► go forever and maybe these will go into

01:00:40 ◼   ► you dig a hole to China yeah right it's

01:00:43 ◼   ► gonna Sherwood Forest or whatever and

01:00:45 ◼   ► now there's a maybe I feel like in the

01:00:49 ◼   ► world a sense that everything's mapped

01:00:51 ◼   ► and so there isn't that feeling that oh

01:00:56 ◼   ► you know maybe no one's ever been in

01:00:59 ◼   ► this cave maybe no one's ever I mean

01:01:02 ◼   ► from the time that you're small uh-huh

01:01:04 ◼   ► Oh what if I'm the first person to ever

01:01:06 ◼   ► climb this tree yeah yeah yeah and so is

01:01:09 ◼   ► our relationship to curiosity changings

01:01:12 ◼   ► so that all these responses that we're

01:01:15 ◼   ► getting to on the on the internet

01:01:17 ◼   ► there's not a feeling that anybody else

01:01:19 ◼   ► has anything to teach you anymore like

01:01:21 ◼   ► you you already know everything -

01:01:24 ◼   ► everything's already known it's not a

01:01:26 ◼   ► question of learning it's a question of

01:01:29 ◼   ► just opinion like it's not it's not that

01:01:32 ◼   ► I didn't know that it's that I just

01:01:34 ◼   ► didn't have an opinion about it yet and

01:01:36 ◼   ► it's so different from when when we were

01:01:40 ◼   ► kids where I was just like you know when

01:01:42 ◼   ► I heard that maybe Led Zeppelin Jimmy

01:01:44 ◼   ► Page was like I had bought aleister

01:01:47 ◼   ► crowley's house I was like it is the

01:01:49 ◼   ► music of Led Zeppelin amazing because

01:01:51 ◼   ► Jimmy Page talking to the devil and now

01:01:54 ◼   ► they would even if I was the little

01:01:56 ◼   ► eight years old

01:01:57 ◼   ► there'd be like eleven other

01:01:59 ◼   ► eight-year-olds who are like well

01:02:00 ◼   ► actually mm-hmm snows know whether I

01:02:04 ◼   ► don't know what how to teach curiosity

01:02:08 ◼   ► or how to how to do what you're saying

01:02:10 ◼   ► like reply to people and say leave some

01:02:12 ◼   ► space

01:02:13 ◼   ► like like let it be interesting I

01:02:17 ◼   ► totally agree and like yeah this is I

01:02:19 ◼   ► don't mean this to sound sexist sexist

01:02:21 ◼   ► because I think it's actually true of

01:02:22 ◼   ► everybody but one of the first things I

01:02:24 ◼   ► remember hearing in terms of grown-up

01:02:26 ◼   ► relationship advice that I found to be

01:02:28 ◼   ► very useful especially given my

01:02:30 ◼   ► personality this is now this is such a

01:02:32 ◼   ► cliche a but B it's also it's true of I

01:02:35 ◼   ► think all sexes in sexes and genders

01:02:37 ◼   ► which is like when somebody especially

01:02:39 ◼   ► historically you see like a woman wants

01:02:41 ◼   ► to talk about something men have a

01:02:44 ◼   ► tendency to once you solve a problem and

01:02:47 ◼   ► I feel silly even saying this because

01:02:49 ◼   ► everybody knows this at this point

01:02:50 ◼   ► supposedly but like the idea is that

01:02:53 ◼   ► like somebody comes to you and they want

01:02:54 ◼   ► to talk about Oh God

01:02:56 ◼   ► you know Barbara at work has been really

01:03:00 ◼   ► kind of been a thorn in my side lately

01:03:01 ◼   ► and like you know she didn't invite me

01:03:04 ◼   ► to this meeting and I'm not sure if I

01:03:06 ◼   ► should feel weird about that and like

01:03:08 ◼   ► men tend to want to like me tend to want

01:03:11 ◼   ► to jump in and go well you should go

01:03:13 ◼   ► straight to your boss or you should talk

01:03:14 ◼   ► to Barbara or you should send an email

01:03:15 ◼   ► my credit but let me solve this problem

01:03:17 ◼   ► for you before you're even done with the

01:03:18 ◼   ► sentence let alone the paragraph where

01:03:20 ◼   ► really that person maybe maybe wasn't

01:03:22 ◼   ► looking for a solution that person just

01:03:25 ◼   ► wanted to talk about something in their

01:03:26 ◼   ► life that they maybe don't want a

01:03:28 ◼   ► solution for and maybe the talking and

01:03:31 ◼   ► like could be sometimes the talking

01:03:33 ◼   ► about it is the solution but like you

01:03:36 ◼   ► don't you know and I really really

01:03:38 ◼   ► struggle with this in life like I don't

01:03:40 ◼   ► like when people finish my sentences

01:03:41 ◼   ► like I don't want to finish other

01:03:43 ◼   ► people's sentences because sometimes

01:03:44 ◼   ► they just need to ramble a little bit

01:03:46 ◼   ► I've talked about this I think as a

01:03:48 ◼   ► component in the relationship between my

01:03:51 ◼   ► mother and sister my sister comes home

01:03:54 ◼   ► and is one of these people that wants to

01:03:55 ◼   ► just talk about the problems that she

01:03:56 ◼   ► had during the day no she's not doing it

01:04:03 ◼   ► she's not filing a bug she's not looked

01:04:05 ◼   ► on so like in an hour

01:04:07 ◼   ► I need this solved does not want a it

01:04:10 ◼   ► does not want the problem solved wants

01:04:12 ◼   ► to I mean basically wants to bitch about

01:04:14 ◼   ► it

01:04:14 ◼   ► yes and then at the end be done and my

01:04:19 ◼   ► mom is someone who wants to solve the

01:04:23 ◼   ► problem and she's a grown man she is she

01:04:27 ◼   ► saw

01:04:27 ◼   ► problems yeah she's just like well why

01:04:29 ◼   ► don't you talk to your manager why oh

01:04:30 ◼   ► here's that you know here's something

01:04:31 ◼   ► you could do unplug maybe with a little

01:04:33 ◼   ► bit of hint of like this is actually not

01:04:34 ◼   ► that complicated

01:04:36 ◼   ► absolutely I mean I think there's that

01:04:38 ◼   ► kind of an important aspect of the like

01:04:39 ◼   ► why is this a problem well but also the

01:04:41 ◼   ► flip side of it is that bitching about

01:04:45 ◼   ► stuff is uncomfortable for certain

01:04:50 ◼   ► people to listen to like my mom is

01:04:52 ◼   ► extremely impatient because she doesn't

01:04:55 ◼   ► want to hear because to her ears it's

01:04:58 ◼   ► just like belly ain't what why are you

01:05:00 ◼   ► complacent like either solve the problem

01:05:03 ◼   ► or get used to it you know get

01:05:06 ◼   ► accustomed to it and deal with it and

01:05:08 ◼   ► like stop complaining is my mom's take

01:05:11 ◼   ► on it and so it's a it's it's a long bin

01:05:15 ◼   ► when it starts to happen in my house I

01:05:17 ◼   ► usually pick up the newspaper so just

01:05:24 ◼   ► slowly edge out of the room like without

01:05:26 ◼   ► saying it's like I'm behind the

01:05:28 ◼   ► newspaper I'm reading an article showing

01:05:31 ◼   ► fuse that has just been to another

01:05:35 ◼   ► response does she for years it was just

01:05:39 ◼   ► really frustrating because they had not

01:05:41 ◼   ► identified this as the dynamic Susan's

01:05:45 ◼   ► response was just to get more and more

01:05:46 ◼   ► agitated because she's like well yeah

01:05:50 ◼   ► like sure I could unplug the

01:05:52 ◼   ► refrigerator but that's not the point

01:05:53 ◼   ► right and the point is sometimes what

01:05:56 ◼   ► you're really saying is yeah I know I

01:05:59 ◼   ► know the world is that way I don't want

01:06:02 ◼   ► the world to be that way you know saying

01:06:04 ◼   ► you know I don't tell me how to change

01:06:06 ◼   ► the world just listen to me be

01:06:07 ◼   ► frustrated that the world is this way

01:06:09 ◼   ► yeah and it and it was and my mom just

01:06:13 ◼   ► got more and more frustrated to like

01:06:14 ◼   ► shell if you don't want if you don't

01:06:15 ◼   ► want my advice why are you coming home I

01:06:17 ◼   ► can see but I can see and have been on

01:06:19 ◼   ► both points of view both sides of that

01:06:21 ◼   ► yeah and I think there is a there is a

01:06:24 ◼   ► culture of well I don't know I mean like

01:06:27 ◼   ► for myself personally I try it's not

01:06:34 ◼   ► even that I try it is not in my nature

01:06:36 ◼   ► to complain

01:06:38 ◼   ► there are times when I protest like if I

01:06:43 ◼   ► go up to the counter at an airline and

01:06:45 ◼   ► they say you do not get blank I say I

01:06:51 ◼   ► would like to lodge a protest what do

01:06:53 ◼   ► you mean I'm not getting an upgrade but

01:06:56 ◼   ► that's a protest once they say you don't

01:06:59 ◼   ► get an upgrade or once they say sorry

01:07:01 ◼   ► we're not going to let you put your

01:07:03 ◼   ► guitar in the overhead bin because we

01:07:07 ◼   ► didn't read the memo from the US Senate

01:07:09 ◼   ► or whatever I don't then sit in the

01:07:12 ◼   ► chair and complain you know I'm like

01:07:18 ◼   ► resolved and resolved being a part of it

01:07:22 ◼   ► is that I feel like I deserve suffering

01:07:23 ◼   ► but but also like there is no point to

01:07:28 ◼   ► it because I cannot win now you know and

01:07:32 ◼   ► my mom is the same way like well you

01:07:34 ◼   ► know if I have to wear these shoes that

01:07:36 ◼   ► are made out of fire then I guess I have

01:07:37 ◼   ► to wear a shoes made out of fire I don't

01:07:39 ◼   ► like it but what does it serve to

01:07:42 ◼   ► complain and my sister on yeah on the

01:07:44 ◼   ► other hand is going you know her way of

01:07:47 ◼   ► processing the events that happened to

01:07:49 ◼   ► her is just kind of like putting them

01:07:52 ◼   ► out there in the form of either

01:07:56 ◼   ► celebration or lament and but it is

01:08:01 ◼   ► participatory right my mom does not

01:08:03 ◼   ► require my sister to to help her process

01:08:08 ◼   ► her events because she is doing them

01:08:11 ◼   ► internally and quietly but my sister

01:08:12 ◼   ► does require my mom she does require a

01:08:16 ◼   ► listener it wouldn't be sufficient to

01:08:18 ◼   ► just make a cage and put some socks

01:08:21 ◼   ► around it and have a and have a bowl of

01:08:24 ◼   ► food in it so Susan could cling to it

01:08:26 ◼   ► and yell at day it wouldn't that would

01:08:29 ◼   ► not work right she needs someone to

01:08:34 ◼   ► listen and pay and that pay that

01:08:36 ◼   ► attention somehow and that it feels like

01:08:38 ◼   ► another example of like the

01:08:42 ◼   ► introvert/extrovert issue where the

01:08:46 ◼   ► extrovert is like introverts are

01:08:51 ◼   ► very very aware of extrovert culture

01:08:55 ◼   ► introverts know what extrovert world

01:08:59 ◼   ► looks like because they can't help but

01:09:02 ◼   ► know yeah it's like it's like not being

01:09:04 ◼   ► into sports like I'm not into sports but

01:09:06 ◼   ► boy do I ever have to know about sports

01:09:07 ◼   ► right

01:09:08 ◼   ► but extroverts are not aware of

01:09:10 ◼   ► introvert culture or their needs because

01:09:12 ◼   ► why would they be all they see are other

01:09:15 ◼   ► extroverts and introverts just seem like

01:09:18 ◼   ► people who are standing there waiting

01:09:19 ◼   ► for them to come talk to them and you

01:09:23 ◼   ► know it's like it's like when you talk

01:09:24 ◼   ► to black people about white culture

01:09:26 ◼   ► they're like look we know all about

01:09:27 ◼   ► white example is everywhere what a guy

01:09:36 ◼   ► butts into like three women talking on

01:09:38 ◼   ► the internet to explain what they must

01:09:39 ◼   ► understand about feminism yeah man it's

01:09:43 ◼   ► like Oh what you don't know about men

01:09:44 ◼   ► and they're like no seriously we know

01:09:47 ◼   ► that I can't even believe is real which

01:09:50 ◼   ► was where somebody responded to a woman

01:09:52 ◼   ► and said you know mansplaining is not

01:09:53 ◼   ► really a thing great but it's that but

01:10:01 ◼   ► it's that type of thing you know you

01:10:02 ◼   ► hear about you hear about this the

01:10:07 ◼   ► divide as being a thing of like not you

01:10:10 ◼   ► know like or or or the way you initially

01:10:13 ◼   ► started to describe it initially it was

01:10:15 ◼   ► presented as husband and wife was a wife

01:10:17 ◼   ► the model was that hey husbands you need

01:10:19 ◼   ► to listen to your wives more but like I

01:10:21 ◼   ► I only did that as a jumping-off point

01:10:23 ◼   ► of how I learned about it the truth is

01:10:24 ◼   ► it goes for everybody do you be aware

01:10:27 ◼   ► when somebody just wants to think out

01:10:29 ◼   ► loud a little bit there's a funny

01:10:30 ◼   ► episode of a very good episode of Parks

01:10:33 ◼   ► and Rec and I think you're probably not

01:10:35 ◼   ► a fan a huge fan but we're Chris Chris

01:10:40 ◼   ► Traeger the play by Rob Lowe like is

01:10:42 ◼   ► trying to is like his wife Quincy

01:10:46 ◼   ► Jones's daughter is pregnant and he

01:10:48 ◼   ► keeps trying to like fix everything and

01:10:50 ◼   ► and I forget who it was the system you

01:10:52 ◼   ► know here's your here's a trick go stop

01:10:54 ◼   ► talking except to periodically say that

01:10:56 ◼   ► sucks and like that is that is a way

01:10:59 ◼   ► over simplified shorthand but it's kind

01:11:01 ◼   ► of true like

01:11:02 ◼   ► adopt a that sucks attitude that has you

01:11:06 ◼   ► open to listening to that person rather

01:11:08 ◼   ► than trying to like explain how they're

01:11:10 ◼   ► being unhappy wrong yeah that's pretty

01:11:15 ◼   ► good yeah i'm i am definitely being

01:11:20 ◼   ► unhappy wrong periodically check in on

01:11:31 ◼   ► this podcast called i only listen to the

01:11:33 ◼   ► mountain goats i don't listen to every

01:11:34 ◼   ► episode but it's a very interesting idea

01:11:35 ◼   ► it's the guy from oh what show is it he

01:11:40 ◼   ► does night Vale i think i love that when

01:11:42 ◼   ► you are trying to remember something you

01:11:44 ◼   ► put put a little tremolo in it anyway

01:11:51 ◼   ► and they're going through god what album

01:11:54 ◼   ► is it all hell west texas but anyway and

01:11:56 ◼   ► they go through track by track and this

01:11:57 ◼   ► guy interviews John Darnielle who's a

01:11:59 ◼   ► very articulate guy I'm not a giant fan

01:12:01 ◼   ► of music but hear me out you know I I

01:12:02 ◼   ► know John pretty well nowadays and is a

01:12:05 ◼   ► very very bright guy extremely bright

01:12:07 ◼   ► guy but but that's really neat so the

01:12:09 ◼   ► the show has like a kind of chemistry to

01:12:11 ◼   ► it that would be impossible for obvious

01:12:13 ◼   ► reasons on any other show which is like

01:12:15 ◼   ► he's a very interesting writer who has

01:12:16 ◼   ► interesting thoughts about life and this

01:12:18 ◼   ► very good interviewer interviews him and

01:12:19 ◼   ► they talk about one song on the album

01:12:21 ◼   ► and then somebody covers it at the end

01:12:24 ◼   ► yeah yeah I need it on iTunes you can go

01:12:26 ◼   ► into all the songs like I think large

01:12:30 ◼   ► and grace did the best ever death metal

01:12:33 ◼   ► band from Denton like these great songs

01:12:35 ◼   ► but anyway a recent episode was source

01:12:37 ◼   ► decay which is a song that I really like

01:12:38 ◼   ► it's a slightly unusual mountain good

01:12:40 ◼   ► song for the time but long story short

01:12:41 ◼   ► the reason I mentioned this is he said

01:12:43 ◼   ► something you know how it is somebody

01:12:46 ◼   ► says something that once you hear it you

01:12:47 ◼   ► could God it's so obvious but I so

01:12:50 ◼   ► needed to hear that

01:12:51 ◼   ► and they're talking about the

01:12:53 ◼   ► composition of the song a little bit of

01:12:55 ◼   ► a looking into like how he writes a song

01:12:57 ◼   ► kind of from the inside out where

01:12:58 ◼   ► sometimes he starts with a little bit of

01:13:00 ◼   ► a detail like okay this guy this guy

01:13:02 ◼   ► goes to his old house to pick up the

01:13:03 ◼   ► mail what are the letters that he sees

01:13:05 ◼   ► and kind of builds out this story from

01:13:07 ◼   ► there right and it's very I think a very

01:13:10 ◼   ► interesting and kind of authentic way to

01:13:12 ◼   ► write a song which is like telling a

01:13:14 ◼   ► specific story with these specific

01:13:15 ◼   ► waypoints rad

01:13:16 ◼   ► starting with an outline of everything I

01:13:18 ◼   ► wanted to say in the song right

01:13:20 ◼   ► probably not the entirely dissimilar

01:13:21 ◼   ► from how you write I'm guessing but but

01:13:23 ◼   ► the guy said something so cool because

01:13:25 ◼   ► name is Joseph he's he was talking to

01:13:27 ◼   ► him about like well you know but what is

01:13:29 ◼   ► what is this mean in this song like is

01:13:30 ◼   ► this Jenny the same Jenny from the other

01:13:33 ◼   ► song but Jenny in it and I don't

01:13:35 ◼   ► remember his exact response but he's

01:13:37 ◼   ► basically saying yeah I don't know I

01:13:38 ◼   ► mean I don't know I could guess just as

01:13:40 ◼   ► much as you could guess but here's the

01:13:41 ◼   ► quote he said most people don't treasure

01:13:44 ◼   ► the unknown

01:13:45 ◼   ► most people want all the information I

01:13:47 ◼   ► never want all the information and I was

01:13:50 ◼   ► like oh man I shouldn't even tweet about

01:13:52 ◼   ► this but I'm gonna because I thought

01:13:54 ◼   ► that was so great I was like you know

01:13:55 ◼   ► what I'm kind of the same way I love

01:13:57 ◼   ► whilst I love being able to watch

01:13:59 ◼   ► Netflix and look up the name of an

01:14:01 ◼   ► actress in a scene that's no problem at

01:14:03 ◼   ► all while it's great to me to be three

01:14:05 ◼   ► seconds away from knowing drugs that

01:14:07 ◼   ► interact with grapefruit while I'm on a

01:14:09 ◼   ► podcast all great but I kind of I think

01:14:13 ◼   ► about when I started this is not a slam

01:14:14 ◼   ► on Star Wars but like I saw Star Wars

01:14:16 ◼   ► when it was just Star Wars like a week

01:14:18 ◼   ► after it came out I saw Star Wars I

01:14:20 ◼   ► didn't understand what are these

01:14:21 ◼   ► creatures what is going on I didn't know

01:14:23 ◼   ► that George Lucas had a name for every

01:14:25 ◼   ► single piece of equipment in every rock

01:14:27 ◼   ► in the entire area I had basically two

01:14:30 ◼   ► viewings of Star Wars the reviews about

01:14:32 ◼   ► it and then maybe like a Fangoria

01:14:34 ◼   ► magazine feature but like I didn't know

01:14:36 ◼   ► I don't have like a DK encyclopedia of

01:14:39 ◼   ► Star Wars and that was part of the fun I

01:14:41 ◼   ► wanted to know everything I would just

01:14:44 ◼   ► consume everything I could find about it

01:14:45 ◼   ► but there wasn't that much to consume

01:14:47 ◼   ► especially after the first one you know

01:14:48 ◼   ► I'm saying it was six or eight months

01:14:50 ◼   ► into the cycle before I mean they were

01:14:51 ◼   ► sending out coupons for the action

01:14:53 ◼   ► figures there were not big books about

01:14:54 ◼   ► it that were official books anyway I

01:14:57 ◼   ► trying to put that in front of you

01:14:58 ◼   ► because I thought John Darnielle saying

01:14:59 ◼   ► that was really smart I realize I'm the

01:15:01 ◼   ► same way like I I don't need to know

01:15:04 ◼   ► that there's an answer to like it you

01:15:06 ◼   ► know in that song is that Warren Beatty

01:15:09 ◼   ► like is that David David Branson it's

01:15:11 ◼   ► like I don't know I don't know if I need

01:15:13 ◼   ► to know I don't know if my enjoyment of

01:15:15 ◼   ► that song will change one way or another

01:15:17 ◼   ► if I know who you're so vain is about

01:15:19 ◼   ► does it have to be about one of them

01:15:21 ◼   ► maybe maybe that's a bad example but I

01:15:23 ◼   ► like the not knowing and I like the fact

01:15:25 ◼   ► that this is this is a this is a

01:15:26 ◼   ► snapshot of a little bit of a story and

01:15:28 ◼   ► like I don't

01:15:30 ◼   ► if you can even know all the details of

01:15:32 ◼   ► this especially if the person who wrote

01:15:34 ◼   ► it

01:15:34 ◼   ► choose chose to not have a codex or a a

01:15:39 ◼   ► rubric for being able to delineate what

01:15:42 ◼   ► everything in the song means and I have

01:15:44 ◼   ► to tell you that's one reason I love

01:15:46 ◼   ► your songs I don't know what the fuck

01:15:47 ◼   ► your songs are all about even when you

01:15:48 ◼   ► explain them to them to me I don't

01:15:50 ◼   ► understand though and I really like that

01:15:51 ◼   ► I I and I want to just toss to you do

01:15:54 ◼   ► you do you feel that way about do you

01:15:56 ◼   ► like the not knowing yeah there are

01:16:00 ◼   ► three three things that I that you're

01:16:02 ◼   ► inspiring me to think about I want to

01:16:04 ◼   ► say simultaneously the geographic

01:16:12 ◼   ► version of this somebody posted

01:16:14 ◼   ► something the other day that was like

01:16:16 ◼   ► did you know that Google knows

01:16:17 ◼   ► everything that you've ever done and

01:16:18 ◼   ► everything you've ever thought and said

01:16:19 ◼   ► and I was like oh no you know Google is

01:16:22 ◼   ► gonna be Google's gonna know all this

01:16:24 ◼   ► stuff about me and I went I followed the

01:16:26 ◼   ► link and you know Google does know

01:16:28 ◼   ► everything I've ever googled but that

01:16:30 ◼   ► would be very confusing to an algorithm

01:16:32 ◼   ► because it's like who are the you know

01:16:34 ◼   ► who are the last five kings of Armenia

01:16:36 ◼   ► it's like how are you gonna sell me but

01:16:39 ◼   ► but Google supposedly knows everywhere

01:16:43 ◼   ► I've been and I went to the thing where

01:16:45 ◼   ► it said you know Google it basically

01:16:47 ◼   ► knows everywhere you've been

01:16:49 ◼   ► and I was kind of excited about it like

01:16:50 ◼   ► where what what is this map that

01:16:52 ◼   ► Google's gonna draw of all the places

01:16:53 ◼   ► I've been like how exciting the truth is

01:16:57 ◼   ► it's actually kind of disappointing

01:16:58 ◼   ► you're like oh man Google I thought you

01:17:00 ◼   ► would know all the places I went well

01:17:02 ◼   ► and what's what is what was crazy was I

01:17:05 ◼   ► got there and there was no information

01:17:07 ◼   ► and then I realized that what I do I do

01:17:10 ◼   ► Google where things are I googled the

01:17:14 ◼   ► like is there traffic or whatever I

01:17:16 ◼   ► Google routes to things but I look at

01:17:19 ◼   ► the route and then I put my phone away

01:17:21 ◼   ► I have never followed GPS instructions

01:17:26 ◼   ► where it's like turn left like I put it

01:17:28 ◼   ► away I look at it like I used to look at

01:17:30 ◼   ► paper maps I get a sense of where it's

01:17:33 ◼   ► telling me to go but I never follows the

01:17:36 ◼   ► voice the machine and so Google doesn't

01:17:39 ◼   ► know where I've been

01:17:40 ◼   ► because I never because I always turn it

01:17:42 ◼   ► off

01:17:43 ◼   ► because I still don't want to know all

01:17:46 ◼   ► the answers like I don't want to get

01:17:48 ◼   ► there even if I'm late I don't want to

01:17:52 ◼   ► get there via the computers best

01:17:55 ◼   ► estimation of the fastest route I want

01:17:57 ◼   ► to find it that's like that's a big big

01:18:03 ◼   ► part of how I live in the world I want

01:18:05 ◼   ► to find it I know it's there

01:18:07 ◼   ► I know it's over there and I'm here in

01:18:10 ◼   ► that case you do know that there is an

01:18:11 ◼   ► answer that it does exist there is no

01:18:13 ◼   ► Stuckey's somewhere best right I'm going

01:18:16 ◼   ► to a place right I can I know where

01:18:18 ◼   ► Spokane generally is I want to get there

01:18:21 ◼   ► and not just be guided there by a by a

01:18:25 ◼   ► tour guide you know by a by up I don't

01:18:27 ◼   ► want to I don't want to ring in my nose

01:18:29 ◼   ► and somebody yanking on a rope that's

01:18:31 ◼   ► the geographic version but in response

01:18:33 ◼   ► to your thing you're the real thing the

01:18:36 ◼   ► John Danielle thing you know I think my

01:18:40 ◼   ► greatest regret about the success of my

01:18:46 ◼   ► band the and by success I mean the level

01:18:49 ◼   ► of success and one of the things about

01:18:52 ◼   ► I'm one of the things that complicates

01:18:54 ◼   ► my relationship with John Darnielle

01:18:55 ◼   ► personally is that he has and this is

01:18:58 ◼   ► true of so many I mean so many musicians

01:19:01 ◼   ► when you really get them down and get a

01:19:04 ◼   ► few drinks in them and they're sitting

01:19:05 ◼   ► around a campfire you can't help but say

01:19:09 ◼   ► if I just had like I don't want to be

01:19:13 ◼   ► Eddie Van Halen I just want the success

01:19:15 ◼   ► of John Darnielle the amount and kind of

01:19:20 ◼   ► success that he had and maybe maybe the

01:19:22 ◼   ► steadiness the Admiralty admirable

01:19:25 ◼   ► things about him is like just that he

01:19:26 ◼   ► seems so steady about he just keeps

01:19:27 ◼   ► doing the work he does the he does the

01:19:30 ◼   ► work and you know when you get to know

01:19:31 ◼   ► him personally he realize like oh it's

01:19:33 ◼   ► part of his process of coping right to

01:19:36 ◼   ► do the work like he's he is also

01:19:38 ◼   ► struggling as we all are with a

01:19:40 ◼   ► constellation of like contraindications

01:19:45 ◼   ► of grapefruit and he well his way of

01:19:48 ◼   ► getting through the year is is making

01:19:51 ◼   ► music and putting it out and that's true

01:19:52 ◼   ► of a lot of people I know and I have the

01:19:55 ◼   ► opposite of fliction or

01:19:56 ◼   ► some other you know I've ate too much

01:19:58 ◼   ► grapefruit but you know guys like if you

01:20:03 ◼   ► I mean I'm sure if you sat down with

01:20:05 ◼   ► Carl Newman and said how do you how do

01:20:07 ◼   ► you like your fame he'd say it's great

01:20:09 ◼   ► I'm very happy here

01:20:10 ◼   ► but I would you know wouldn't it be nice

01:20:12 ◼   ► if I had just the you know the fame of

01:20:16 ◼   ► Jonathan Richmond or well I don't know

01:20:17 ◼   ► who's anybody's comparison is but I

01:20:21 ◼   ► believe it was it was you even Bono has

01:20:24 ◼   ► a boss even Bono has a bond yeah but I

01:20:27 ◼   ► would love to sit down with somebody who

01:20:31 ◼   ► wanted to go through my music and talk

01:20:35 ◼   ► about what things meant because I when I

01:20:39 ◼   ► was writing it like everything I meant

01:20:42 ◼   ► something by everything there was no

01:20:45 ◼   ► there's no filler

01:20:47 ◼   ► I wasn't like well I need to get to the

01:20:49 ◼   ► chorus so I'm just gonna say the same

01:20:51 ◼   ► thing over again yeah I remember first

01:20:54 ◼   ► reading this I feel like in the John

01:20:56 ◼   ► chardee poetry book we said something

01:20:58 ◼   ► like make every line tell yeah and and

01:21:01 ◼   ► and and I think that's part of why I

01:21:03 ◼   ► mean when I listen to great pop music

01:21:06 ◼   ► and I'm and I realized that there are so

01:21:09 ◼   ► many songs that I really love where the

01:21:11 ◼   ► course is just like hey na na and I and

01:21:16 ◼   ► I love that music but like I just I just

01:21:19 ◼   ► filled the lyrics with meaning and I

01:21:23 ◼   ► want somebody to care enough and I know

01:21:25 ◼   ► that there are people that do but I

01:21:27 ◼   ► didn't have that you know like Darnell

01:21:30 ◼   ► and his band inspire a kind of cult II

01:21:34 ◼   ► reverence you can get kind of a lot law

01:21:37 ◼   ► of large numbers thing where they have

01:21:39 ◼   ► enough fans that they probably would

01:21:41 ◼   ► eventually get to meet some super smart

01:21:42 ◼   ► and engage people that were super fans

01:21:44 ◼   ► and would want to talk about it yeah and

01:21:46 ◼   ► and there are those people about the

01:21:49 ◼   ► long winters it's just that there's not

01:21:50 ◼   ► an audience for their output right

01:21:53 ◼   ► there's not like you could do a podcast

01:21:55 ◼   ► about John darn Yellin there'd be an

01:21:56 ◼   ► audience for it if there was a podcast

01:21:58 ◼   ► about the long winters there wouldn't be

01:21:59 ◼   ► necessarily very big audience for

01:22:02 ◼   ► listening to those songs digested but

01:22:06 ◼   ► you know I got a I got a I got an email

01:22:08 ◼   ► from

01:22:09 ◼   ► a guy the other day who was like I teach

01:22:11 ◼   ► literature I teach you know English

01:22:14 ◼   ► literature in college and I wanted to oh

01:22:18 ◼   ► and I asked my students to take your

01:22:21 ◼   ► line from the song which is a seven I

01:22:26 ◼   ► think where where I say every eyelash is

01:22:29 ◼   ► a picutre a wire and he was like you

01:22:32 ◼   ► know and I had to explain to people what

01:22:33 ◼   ► I just explained to them what tickets

01:22:35 ◼   ► were because they didn't know what