128: Bureaucracy Is Her Superpower
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the incomparable number 120 a februari
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welcome back to be uncomfortable my cast
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I'm your host Jason Snelling i'm joined
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by two members of our book club the
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esteemed dan more'n joins us hi dan I
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chase and it's it's nice to be esteemed
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and thank you for sitting in for me on
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our special LIVE macworld expo episode
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about Aaron Sorkin I didn't get to say
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any of my things that I wanted to say
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about how I thought that he was a you
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know kind of losing it in in his last
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season of The West Wing before they
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removed him probably because of the
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mushrooms but we're just gonna let that
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go by godspeed blufgan to save her for
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the aryan circle part to see exactly
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when John siracusa will list all of the
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things that he wishes he could have said
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if he had been in San Francisco but he
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doesn't travel
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he's a hermits true it's true yeah so
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but thank you for taking a short battle
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for that I appreciate that very much
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it's nice one we pick a topic and I'm
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I've got a whole plan and then I say can
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you do it instead and I say sure the
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also joining me for this book club is
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Scott McNulty of course because Scott
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read every book I am contractually
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obligated to read every book in
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existence it's that's the rule
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I'm enough of that so this book this
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book had the we're going to be talking
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about the brook by Daniel O'Malley and
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double whammy of recommendations in our
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year ending episode that we did for 2012
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we talked about things we like during
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the year and one of the books that that
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Scott you singled out was the rook
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I don't remember that but I'm glad I did
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I I assure you you said you said that it
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was good and what fascinates me about
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this is that my wife in trying to find
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books to buy me for Christmas ended up
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buying me two books one of which we may
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talk about later in what are you reading
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and the other one who has the rock and
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so when she got my God look Scott
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mobility recommended the rook it's
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perfect it's it's a double whammy
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because she talked to her friends who
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are librarians like she is and they said
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they recommended those those two books
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including the brook and so we're going
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to talk about the rook and upfront i
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want to say i really liked it i thought
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this was
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a lot of fun i've been searching for
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books to read that we're gonna make me
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make me happy and make me excited and
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make me really want to pay i haven't had
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a good page turner for a while where I
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really wanted to get through it as fast
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as I could I was really enjoying it and
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the rook fit the bill the trip was right
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was just I was smiling the whole way
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through and it wasn't what i expect i
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had no expectations at all really about
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what it was even going to be about and I
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was delighted by so that's my short I i
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would agree with that assessment i mean
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i got it from Scotts recognition as well
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good job to get kudos and I so I didn't
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really know and I was her between books
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and a couple things I was looking at
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reading what kind of this is kind of fun
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after I read the synopsis on amazon and
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i bought it for my kindle read it and
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found it delightful know what I mean
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it's one of the few books there aren't a
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lot of authors i find who can make me
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actually laugh out loud and this book
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manage to pull that off at multiple
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locations which I was very impressed
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with especially from a first-time rider
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who I had never heard of
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yeah so that was you know that was that
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was kind of kind of fun it's a good plot
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like you said it's a page-turner there's
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there's some mystery there are some
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supernatural stuff going on
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it's got also sort of that whole like
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British strange not-quite comedy of
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manners but there's there is an element
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of this bizarre British like very
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Britishness of this whole secret service
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thing that their organization that
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exists there and I you know it's sort of
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hit all the right spots for me
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yeah it's funny that this book is is a
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very British book it's about a secret
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organization in the British government
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called the shack a or is it the show k
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but there is that he is not is not the
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check e it's not the Cherokee I always
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the check I thought that too old you
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like in the producers right oh you gotta
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have your check e but it's not it's the
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shaky it actually says in the book that
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it's pronounced ok because nobody would
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not have orders and otherwise and it was
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funny about it is that this is an
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American educated Australian who wrote
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this book he has no connection england
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at all as far as i can tell except he
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loves England and so he's created like
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the mi5 for Supernatural affairs and
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populated by
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or at least managed by people with
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magical supernatural powers
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although there are also some non-powered
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people who work at the at the show k &
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and Scott does this ring a bell
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do you remember now something about this
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book i do i've been trying to remember
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so I did not read this based on my own
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recommendations so I'm trying to figure
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your own grandfather try to recall how I
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even came across i think it's just so I
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read a bunch of book blog so i'm sure it
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came across there and I just think they
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remember reading the synopsis and
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thinking this sounds incredibly stupid
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and but then it kept showing up and all
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these different blogs and then I went to
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the library and it was sitting there on
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like the new book things so I was like
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well i can add a label on it that said
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for Scott it said please read these got
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and so I said well you know I I don't
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have any better do so i read it and i
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was delightfully surprised I mean it's a
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lot of fun
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this is certainly not a book that you
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are like if you're looking for deep
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literary criticism and thinking about
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the world and what what is the meaning
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of existence
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you probably should pass on the rock but
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whoever a fun read that you know you you
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want to get to the end as quickly as
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possible because it is good but you also
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don't want to get to the end because
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you're enjoyed the characters are no
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more books in the series it's just the
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one book was yet yet yet yet yet I know
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but you're so used to reading a book and
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saying oh there's 17 more of these
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that's true there's no there will be
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those of this but it's you gotta get on
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board right now fun read is exactly what
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you said in our in our year-end episode
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by the way you said it's a fun read
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I'm glad I agree with myself that's yes
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so yeah and he at least this author
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unlike george RR martin who I am afraid
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will die before he finishes his series
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this offer is very young he seems he's
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like he's healthy and surprise so
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vigorous hopefully he will have a large
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output that we can enjoy one of the
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years to come he's an Australian too so
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he is nothing can kill Australians if I
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don't know anything
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now they're they're so powerful that
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they can do Scott McNulty supercuts
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their taxes triple or that board
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and that I enjoy the fact that the
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author makes his living working for like
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the Australian we rode it all though
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it's the equivalent of the disease
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equivalent of the NTSB basically yeah
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exactly yeah
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such as easy it's hilarious accidents
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plane crashes and the heat which just
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delights me yeah and he was educated
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like ohio state or something he say yes
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american-educated Australian who were is
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a civil servant and in his spare time
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has written this novel that everybody
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seems to hike and it's cool lot of fun
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so yay good job good on ya
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Daniel O'Malley put another shrimp on
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the barbie
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sure sure so we should say so that the
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main character of the rook is missing
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any rhymes with Tiffany they say that
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even though it's spelled my FA and wy
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it's Welsh spelling she pronounces it
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mythity Tiffany Thomas which is looking
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name which is which is great and what's
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what's funny about this book is it's a
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wee-wee open the story with her
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Rick waking up having no memory she's an
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amnesiac basically her entire mind has
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been wiped so she's got skills and
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language and knowledge of of like how to
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behave as a person but she has no no
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memory of her previous life she's
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essentially a new person waking up in
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the body of somebody else in psychology
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terms she has no episodic memory so
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nothing that's like ever happened to her
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but she has all her procedural memory
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which means it's not like she has to
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learn how to be a walk again
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so thanks for the psychology there Dan
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that's AI that's that was some AP
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psychology from high school
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good job fancy and then also she wakes
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up not having these at not having her
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episodic memory and oh but she also
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makes up surrounded by corpses dead
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people and they're wearing latex gloves
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which you must be surprising in the
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radio that's okay i gotta say as far as
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the openings go you know despite the
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idea and needed kind of being you know
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an overused cliché it's really
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effective in this book because I think
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exactly because we're in the person's
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head and so we're trying to figure out
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along with her exactly what's going on
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here and I really enjoy the fact that
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as the book progresses she's we sort of
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learned you know get acquainted with the
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character of me as she has to adapt to
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all these circumstances they keep
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getting thrown her way and she does so
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most times with aplomb or manage to at
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least make it look like she knows what
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she's doing and so it is kind of an
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interesting take on the old you know em
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easy act rope
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I think she does sarah O'Malley does a
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really good job with it it's also
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interesting something he uses this plot
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device we're missing any ah knows ahead
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of time that something is going to
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happen to her and so we find out through
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the course of the books that method
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before her episodic memory was wiped
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I was very good at organizing things and
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very regimented and she had a plan for
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everything and so she you know logically
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planned for what would happen if her
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memory was wiped and left herself a
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series of notes so that she could a
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guide herself through her own life which
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leads us to two very different
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characters that are in fact the same
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character we have can't past listen II
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and then the current metheny who has a
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very different personality that the
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older one that's writing to herself
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yeah and I like to that the the
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character that we meet the new Metheny
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is is not the old one and that is never
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it's never suggested that she's going to
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prophecy that she was going to lose her
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memory but at several points is the new
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holding her back that the old the the
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nervous systems and control what they do
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she would do with it and so was sort of
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the people with powers are in the in the
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che kar are given
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the power positions but she was
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reluctant to use her power so even
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wasn't expected to use them and what we
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learn is this new person who is the new
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and so they all Lester they all
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underestimate her and that's delightful
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but I never felt like I was going to get
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the rug pulled out from under me and she
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was going to recover her memories or
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anything like that
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old myth me and she is quite resourceful
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so we learned that she is you know like
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an expert bureaucratically like she
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keeps everything running that's her aqua
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see is one of her superpowers and that
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the fact i think you sort of get maybe
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exactly fond of the old version the new
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one is actually just something so much
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better character right lucky the old one
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is kind she's kinda boring right she's
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very mousy yeah she's very she's very
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non-confrontational she's always like
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doing it's really crippled from her
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childhood where she's taken in this
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society the people with powers are
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basically ripped away from their family
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and put in this kind of awful home where
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they learn how to how to use their
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powers and she's the old Matheny was
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basically crippled by that it was just
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such an emotional emotionally
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destructive act and she never recovered
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and the new method he has no baggage and
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she never actually learned how to master
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her powers to the full extent that she
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could have right so she always kind of
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self-limited herself by second-guessing
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yourself thinking she should use your
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power associate ever she avoided using
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your powers at all which then led her to
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become kind of a desk jockey as if you
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will at the supernatural mi5 yes the
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Sheikh a shape which is the supernatural
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mi5 yeah it's so that's a great because
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you're right Dan the the amnesiac main
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character could have been a really kind
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of I rolling trope and yet for whatever
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reason I never really felt that it was
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because i always felt from the beginning
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I was wary that there was gonna be a
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twist where her memory was actually in
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somebody else and this was all part of a
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plot no yeah I i thought the same thing
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I was keeping my eyes open for that but
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it was very clear from the beginning
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that that this was a new character and
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and she was going to learn about her
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world just as we did which is really a
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way into it and the fact that she's
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continually underestimated because they
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think she's the old myth me and she's
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that's a that's a great bit and so you
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get on her side really quickly because
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she's like us
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she doesn't know what's going on and yet
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she doesn't have any of these old these
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hang-ups of her predecessor and I never
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felt like you know i was i was wearing
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for the plot twist but it doesn't come
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the it's not a ripoff
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it's not a the the you know the amnesia
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doesn't get cured magically it will and
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they do a good job they do a good job
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with the overall plot the sort of the
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hooks of the plot in the end and the
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twists and turns of the plot in that
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they don't try to outsmart you I think
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there's a lot of this is kind of a
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thriller and in some ways sure and in a
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lot of thrillers I think they they try
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so hard to do something that you won't
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see coming that they double back on
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themselves and just make it like not
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make any sense i'm thinking particularly
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of the the end of the british version of
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state of play which just goes like five
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episodes setting up this like oh yeah we
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think it's this this person is behind
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everything and then in the last episode
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they sort of pull the entire rug out
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from under you like oh you never saw
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this coming and you're like yes because
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that makes no sense
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and so in that in that way like I think
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I i thought this might be trying to pull
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something off like that later on in that
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you get this sort of conspiracy that
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she's investigating and she knows that
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someone inside her own organization is
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trying to kill her and so of course i'm
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thinking trying to like think through
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thoughts ahead and and figure out if
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it's well what if what if pastor is
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actually just setup future her to take
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the fall right out and I'm like.he kind
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of satisfying way but it but in the end
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of place fair right exactly and it's
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it's not like oh that totally that
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totally came out of left field right
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like the the villain doesn't totally
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come out of left field you're not like
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super surprised by it but at the same
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time you know but it makes sense and i
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think that's that's the larger virtue
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here is a plot that logically hangs
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together better rather than something
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where it's like we're gonna do something
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totally crazy just so we can catch you
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by surprise
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right right yeah it's it's a place fair
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and it's got these really nicely drawn
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characters where you you meet I kept
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thinking it was it was
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little bit less x-men a little more
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Hellfire Club where it's you know your
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meeting these in these in these rooms
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with dark wood and lots of you know a a
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personal assistants and it's very very
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wealthy upper echelon of the of the
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British government but you meet these
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characters who are the the top tier of
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super-powered you know defenders of
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England from super-powered attacks and
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and they all have these weird different
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powers that are interesting i think the
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most interesting of all of them is 0
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gestalt don't know what you assassinated
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care which is three siblings 4444
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siblings for the four siblings two of
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them are twins there's two twins and
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there's a girl and another guy
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Yeah Yeah right that's for four siblings
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that have the same consciousness there
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one individual that they have four
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bodies and but they've also got the band
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with the brainpower the processing
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course of four brains and their one
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consciousness and that leads that leads
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to lots and if you think well that's
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kinda cool but you know what about this
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but what about this there are so many
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aspects of that you think you want to
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start to wonder if the if the book's
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gonna get into the details of what what
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that means
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and the answer is yes the book actually
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does there are their plot twists were
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revolving around gestalt and how gestalt
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works and how they use the different
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bodies that is I was fulfilled i was
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like I yes i literally laughed out loud
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at one point there's a scene that
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reveals a trick that gestalt is
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performing by having these multiple
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bodies that made me laugh out loud my ex
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kind of expected it to happen but when
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it happened it was a you know it was
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hilarious to see so they're not these
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powers are not unexplored and you know
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in there there's a vampire character who
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is very funny because he's got you know
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he's he's he he
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there she runs into him at a dance card
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yeah accidentally and you know he's
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there to have a good time too but he's
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this you know ages old vampire and in
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all these other characters and there's
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that there is a major American
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equivalent of the shaky who comes and
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and we meet some of those characters and
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one in particular because a friend of
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minis and so I really like the world to
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that we were we were meeting these like
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with comic book superheroes or something
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we're meeting these people and their
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pets learning their powers and that the
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ones who are the most interesting we're
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the ones where we did actually explore
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their power some which wich i really
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liked like I felt that this world was
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incredibly rich that you know every new
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powered character that comes along
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you're like oh tell me what this person
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can do write one up the powers are so
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unusual right like they're not just your
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standard run-of-the-mill like this is
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really strong yeah this first control
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fire you know like they do these bizarre
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things and some things that don't even
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seem like they'd be that useful right
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like there's the guy who can contort
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himself into like virtually any shape
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you know which seems handy for some
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things but like a lot of the time just
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to spend like grossing people out
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because it's like the companies like his
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legs wrapped around his head or
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something crazy you know and there's
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things like that where you can clearly
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see I think there's a couple other
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examples they give it a few points where
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there's characters who just seem to have
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powers that are not really useful and
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it's interesting to put that in there
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because there they are kind of very
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diverse in terms of what what these
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powers ideas can be in and then
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sometimes there's a lot of throwaway
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characters that will get mentioned
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there's also there's some line about
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like how when she's at school she never
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drank it all Metheny weekend but like
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there's that one kid who you would like
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if you let them lick your eyeballs or
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something yeah I just like what a weird
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idea to come up with
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yeah there's a lot of there's a lot of
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humor and in this in this book there
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there's a one so one of the characters
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is a vampire and you think that it's
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going to be alright
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the vampire is gonna is gonna you know
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hehe obviously they found him and made
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him part of the of the group and that's
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not true
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he like was part of this horrible they
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emerge from nowhere and they kill these
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people and and it's not at all what you
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expected in fact I of this is one of
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things i highlighted in the book is is
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after the after he kills over 33 days
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they kill 72 people who work for the
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and then they appear to the the people
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who run it and say actually while we've
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been killing all your people we've
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learned about your organization and we
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find it interesting
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like okay and the line in the book is
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change in direction it's what what is
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like the sense of humor of it i found
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myself amused incredibly by the scene
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where she gets dragged out of the club
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to be interrogated by the one of the
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villains who is like this like basically
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lives in like a tank is sort of like pot
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in your body right in actually she's
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brought into a limo
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it's got a floating tank of this
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partially grown guy in it right but he
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keeps like yelling at her and sloshing
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stuff and she's like this is really
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gross you know and I don't know and he's
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all insistent and indignant that she
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doesn't know who he is because she has
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no idea who are you
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it's right she has amnesia and even then
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I didn't really know what was going on
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like that words you get these characters
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into situations where even this should
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seem really ponderous and over-the-top
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but at the same time they they have this
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very down-to-earth sort of casual nature
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of conversation that makes it seem very
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real wear yellow okay if I was
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confronted with a giant with a person
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have that it was believed to be growing
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themselves this is probably how I react
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lots of lots of funny asides to that I'm
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like there's a Brigadoon reference i
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don't know if you caught that the yes
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Brooks who led the four prongs assault
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on Brigadoon and burned every structure
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remaining survivors perished in
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captivity
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it's like well while they destroyed
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Brigadoon that's why we didn't see it
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again I guess the the legend a tap and
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there's a lot of that it's like in
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English history
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oh this fable it turns out it's true and
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horribly true in a in a really awful way
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because the cheeky is there too
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scare me like buffy the vampire slayer
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or something like that right there the
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x-files they're the ones which would
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yeah they're tortured tortured vs you
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Torchwood meets the expansion is
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actually a really great way to describe
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this book lots of lots of fun we haven't
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really spoiled anything yet but i mean
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it's it's a it's you know it i think i
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think it's really great good characters
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lots of fun really good read
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I and never I I never really got a sense
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of where you know so some you read so
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many books that you you right Scott you
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read so many books I've read to me that
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that it's really kind of delightful when
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you read something you think i have no
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idea where this is going but there's
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just this is crazy and interesting and
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creative and i'm just going to take the
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ride because I I don't you know you're
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you're making me laugh you're surprising
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me and I'm happy to be on that on that
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journey with the rock III felt like like
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I just I didn't know where it was going
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and I just surprised the whole way
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through and I like the book i read there
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are lots of books that I've read that
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are written just to be crazy so they
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have no real coheres cohesive plot and
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they just are kind of a an exercise in
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language which is fun but it is a good
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thing of the rock is that it is crazy
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but you don't know where it's going but
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it actually has a plot and it does go
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somewhere which is satisfying because
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you know after reading kind of a
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experimental literature book the payoff
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generally isn't all that great for you
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know for the narrative but in this book
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at least you have a story has a
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beginning a middle and an end and it's
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enjoyable the entire way through right
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we should say it's not one of those
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ripoffs where you get to the end and you
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need to read another book either to be
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continued yeah yeah just that I've got
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i'm looking at my kindle highlights here
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in the edges that the the casual kind of
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humor that happens throughout there's a
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there's an incident where they go to
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investigate a house that seems to be
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distributed like doing terrible things
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and this is what I highlighted after
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flickering of the violent lights and
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many subsequent screams a torrent of
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viscous medium fluid streamed out one of
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the windows the fluid was currently
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being analyzed to see if it contained
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any of the personnel
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because this house is eating people and
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that and it's just it's it's it's got
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there really life light i would say
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English humor touch accept these
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Australian but it's just really just
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funny and clever and yeah i mean again
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it it he sometimes you just want to read
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books like this right where it's just
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you can you can you can just lean back
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and say look this is gonna be fun
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it's pushing all the right buttons of
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something like a like a superhero story
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or an x-files kind of story
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supernatural thriller with humor and
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some surprises and boy you know there
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aren't enough of those i think now I
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wish I'd bookmark something because
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there is a really long passage was it
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there's like two pages where she goes on
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about our when the writer goes on about
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the like whole catalog of supernatural
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creatures that they're responsible for
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dealing with this particular town
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oh yeah I remember that like it's like a
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three-page catalog comment list words
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like every supernatural creature
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folktale creature and some random other
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things and some very mundane normal
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things all straight like in this one
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huge list and keeps calling that's right
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like I'm putting the kindle pages like
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wow he's really really going with its
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yeah that was just as soon see if i can
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find that I remember that very much that
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it was that it was literally up like a
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page long list of every monster possible
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so that you are so that you could you
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get the sense that the shaky is is out
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for big they've been around they they've
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been around for hundreds of years right
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right and then we have the whole issue
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so we have their antagonists to that the
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Belgians the body as evil Belgians the
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grafters yes as they're called the
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grafters and again I I kept waiting for
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a fake-out know the the Americans are in
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league with no right that it plays it
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straight the grafters are bad
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the grafters are a historically evil
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figure that the chick a hasn't worried
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about 400 years and they're back and
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they are back
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it's not a fake out you know it's not
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again without getting into deep spoilers
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for the book it's not a fake-out it
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plays fair the grafters they say they're
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bad they're bad
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nobody expects a Belgian Inquisition and
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it's and it's their Belgians and they
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like to change people's bodies and do
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weird stuff to the the bodies and and
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now i'm gonna i think i think maybe i'll
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fire off the spoiler horn here
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so I one of the the great things about
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this at the end we discover throughout
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the book there's this whole little
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thread that keeps coming back which is
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that you know the the Belgian angry
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Belgian with the floating floating in
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the tank is like where have you put them
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I want my guy back and and she's like I
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have no idea what you're talking about
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well he sent you a package i have no
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idea what you're talking about and it
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turns out that before she lost her
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memory there was a human heart that was
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sent to her in a package and she
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basically opened it and with who and
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send it down to the lab and right by
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wright at the end like like ninety
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percent plus through the book for kindle
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listeners out there kindle readers in a
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got a naked guy is in her office and
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this is the thing that made me laugh out
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loud he says I'm sorry i don't think
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i've explained well enough i have grown
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myself from the heart in your scientist
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laboratory freezer so this guy in order
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to get out of the grafters in order to
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come and talk to the chick a has has
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literally like taking his heart and mail
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and like FedEx it to England knowing
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that they'll just put it on ice
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somewhere and he'll grow out of his
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heart it's crazy and funny and i love
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that I love that the Belgians are you
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know are cutting out there are options
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include the Belgian since it's a
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traditional village there that's what
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they do they cut their heart out and
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then grow out of it like being invaded
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by liechtenstein nobody sees it coming
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better chocolate
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yes yeah and then and then I guess the
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other thing that I'll say now that I
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found out the spoiler horn that made me
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laugh out loud ism is when it's the
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reveal that there's an extra gestalt
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which I kept thinking I kept thinking
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it's possible you know if they've got
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four gestalt bodies that there could
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easily be another one because they're
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like they they captured two of them and
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they've got them in in Chains and she
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touches one of the gestalt and and
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suddenly can see out of not just one but
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all of their their their neural networks
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they're there they're all their senses
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and and there's a it's great because
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it's like this person's and chains and
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this persons on the run and this
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person's in Chains and this persons on
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the run and there's this other person
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looking at somebody like what what what
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the fifth it's so great
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also it's so it's also really really
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creepy it's like to kiss if really
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creepy when you find out who the fifth
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person is it's so great just a fun and I
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i laughed out loud i laughed out loud
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for minutes I had to explain to my
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family why I was laughing out loud
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because it was so clever and perfect
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right it wasn't it didn't feel like a
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ripoff and I again I keep saying that
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this is a book that could so easily have
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have taken these like ridiculous kind of
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twist twist for no reason other than to
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be a twist and instead it plays fair
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throughout and and earned it
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yeah I also liked like you said the the
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fake out the Americans right that didn't
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end up being a fake-out I think that's
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nice what's tricky about the amnesia
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thing especially in a case where she
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thinks like you know she's paranoid that
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everybody let's get her because someone
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clearly was out to get her and effect
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you know to a certain extent got her was
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well who do you trust right how do you
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have this character have meaningful
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relationships with people when anybody
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could be betraying her and I think he
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anything done so i have to you know just
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undesirable right and then but then
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become sort of her confidant and also
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actually her but I sort of roles with it
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something where did you know she needs
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to have the ability to talk to other
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characters without being guarded and
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completely by call what are they trying
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to get information out of me too i need
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to be trying to get information on them
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assistant we get a nice one with her and
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the American
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a bishop right right so the two of them
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you know who end up making kind of a
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kick-ass team i really enjoyed their
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struck kind of weird but i think looking
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where it's like this is great i wonder
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how we can spin it into more books was
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that they have her they have our sister
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family she's not only just because she's
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amnesiac but because she was taken from
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her family from a very young age and
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raised by the UK and so we have her
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sister pop up out of nowhere and of
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course your initial thought is well this
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is going to be like a trap right
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president clearly but in fact that ends
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up being your sister and they start like
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oh I'm gonna reconnect with my sister
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and I'm gonna learn a lot about you know
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like all the family that I left behind
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everything and it felt kind of weird at
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the moment it came up especially because
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it come up like like like half of
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chapter after she's like oh it turns out
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i have a family or yeah like that
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yeah that's pretty quick yeah so that
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was the one that was the the only
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misstep I really got annoyed with in the
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book was like it seems a bit
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it seems a bit convenient for that plot
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point to come in there and also that
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plot point well it does intertwined a
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little bit like towards the end of the
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book is to a certain extent superfluous
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but it comes in two color out her
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character a little bit so i think i
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think one of the biggest potential flaws
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of this book is that throughout the book
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we alternate between the action and the
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letters that the original Matheny has
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written to her successor and at the
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beginning you sort of read them and you
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realize you're reading them as she's
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reading them right she writes a letter
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in their inner its energy jacket pocket
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that says you should go to the bank and
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she goes to the bank and people trying
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to kill her and she stops them and then
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she opens up the safe-deposit box and
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get another letter and she goes back to
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her flat and there are there are more
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letters there and more more
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documentation and that's fine but what
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happens as you go is should end and
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though the writer doesn't deal with this
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and actually i think in the end that's
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why it works is I kept thinking you know
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you're not seriously saying that she's
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reading these letters in the intervening
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because that would be kind of ridiculous
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presumably she read all the letters at
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the beginning and I think that's what
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happens is that is that we're seeing the
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rest of the material that she left as
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the story goes on sort of when it's
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relevant because because that could have
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been a real I i was i was worried again
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that this was gonna be kind of a rip off
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where we were going to see the plot
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twists in a letter and that was going to
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be the moment where she realized that
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the letter was trying to tell her
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something when in reality if you were in
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this situation as we all are at some
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point when you're in md she act with
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superpowers who's put into a secret
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organization in England it happens or as
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i call it thursday
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yeah you read all the documentation
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right you'd read all the letters
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immediately and I i assume that she did
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that and then it just sort of plays out
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over time because they're a couple
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places where there's like a secret
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that's revealed that she discovers that
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there's this this conspiracy happening
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and there's this other school where
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their training super-powered kids and I
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kept thinking you know you really ought
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not to make this that the suit that this
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is a revelation and they didn't i'm
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actually again an example where he plays
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fair it it I was worried that the
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letters aspect of this was going to
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become kind of a rip off where we were
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where facts withheld from us and the way
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Metheny behaves she knows about what the
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letters say even though we don't and so
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in the end it it it ends up plan fair i
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think even there because that was that
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was where I was really worried it was
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going to go off the rails as the letters
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were going to be withholding information
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not just from us but from the main
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character and that didn't happen only
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read this letter after you read letter
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yeah that's right choose your own letter
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adventure read only when your book goes
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to eighty-five percent then open the
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land only then dan I found that set that
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passage that you liked by the way
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according to according to Thomas the
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city and once been this is bath once
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been a veritable hotbed of
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manifestations with every sorcerer
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Bunyip column goblin picked pixie demon
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thylacine Gorgon more on colts come
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mummy run me broke Sphinx minx muse
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flatulent diva reefer Weaver Reaper
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scatter scab mendler dwarf midget little
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person leprechaun marsh-wiggle toad
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soothsayer Truthsayer hatter happy fat
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nur in pan where Mothman shamon lucban
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warlock Morlock poltergeist zeitgeist
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elemental Banshee Banshee lycanthrope
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sprite white off waiter harpy silky
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kelpie klepto Specter mutant cyborg
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hat psychic and psychotic seemingly
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having decided that this was the hot
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spot to visit that I i just i love the
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idea that you know that someday got to
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sit down and just go
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I'm just gonna free associate with
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everyone could pick up that that fits
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under this category so like a
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lycanthrope this the moon comes out and
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you turn into something a lycanthrope
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you hi hike on a mountain and you see
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some lichen and then you turn into a
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something to into mosques you think
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Tomas Tomas where moss lomas yeah anyway
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so so presumably there's going to be a
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sequel i think that the author talked at
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some point that there's going to be a
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sequel isn't this just have the sense of
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a series to it but it's a new series so
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if you want to get on board now you know
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I you know we all we all liked it's it's
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a lot it's a lot of fun if you like a
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it's kind of a you know I guess it's
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fantasy it's fantasy in the way that
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superheroes or fantasy it's the
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supernatural superhero kind of thing I
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mean if false morel little bit of
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trouble with what we call them out urban
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fantasy sort of but it's also it does
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viewer more into the yeah it's not quite
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superhero but it's close it's great
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because it's got that supernatural
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yeah I want to it just has a little
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touch like you you know Torchwood meets
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the x-men is what kind of I felt because
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the x-men is that whole you know they
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find the people with powers they put
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them in the Academy and they learn how
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to use their powers and it's and then
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they put them in service to this
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organization so let ya little bit harry
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potter like when you put it like that
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little bit accept all grown up
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yeah I remind me of another one of the
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series i think i recommended on earlier
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podcast the Felix caster series by Mike
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Carey which is also set in London and is
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also sort of supernatural fantasy though
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that one is a little more like it's more
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of a new are where its there's a
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character who is a freelance exorcist
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and it's it's doesn't have the big
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organization but not everything whether
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there's a
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another series that i have read by Simon
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are green who is one of the authors that
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i read even though he is not a good
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he is very good at writing really fun
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stories but his writing does not live up
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to his imagination it is the secret
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histories series follows this character
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called Eddie drood who is a member of a
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family called the Druids who have this
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magical torque that makes that they can
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make armor cum all over them and they
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are basically invisible and they are
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Earth's protectors against all
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supernatural yes so this was this was
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this was great i'm glad you recommended
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Scott I think Dan's glad you recommended
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to yes i do I i get off wholehearted
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thumbs up
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all right get it a heart stickers of
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thumb top are cut off from melee to
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somebody melted me don't mail it to
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anybody
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don't male body parts is I've learned
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this scott will put it in the freezer
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his wife will put it in a kid our age
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are true and then your body clone will
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grow from it true little sugar amazing a
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that's how it works here in magic land
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tuned check a land
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well I'm glad that you both enjoyed it
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yeah a little don't let us down with
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your next recommendations on something a
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scholar thin ice here the pressure is on
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yeah the way the pressure should be off
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because you just successfully
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recommended a thing
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well I have to live up to that
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recommendation I guess we're not poor
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force that I so I think it's time for me
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to ask that other famous question that i
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like to ask the book club which is what
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doctor who already know that's a
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different question entirely doctor who
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know what are you reading reading scott
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what are you would what books about
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something like seven books right now
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i I'm only reading one book right now or
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what have you read recently I suppose
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that I would like to talk about and
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recommend if you want to be all specific
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about it I know Scott that you just
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wrote a blog post about your
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Lex Lex has read it so i guess we
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dark the dogstars other than to
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much as the rook
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oh and and and your your blog post about
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it's like the sunny lite version of the
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road and read it it sort of pales in
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opposed to apocalyptic story with a
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little bit more kind of humanity and
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slight optimism about what would happen
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in an apocalypse than the road which is
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everybody will die and that will be the
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end but unfortunately for the dogstars
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the road is just spectacular even though
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it is completely depressing
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yes where's the dog star is kind of
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depressing but it's not like soul
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crushingly depressing there's a little
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hope but it's also not as well written
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so when you compare it to the road it
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just kind of falls flat but uh if you
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don't compare to the road it's pretty
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good i agree it's that it'sit's if that
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was the road this is like the runway
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haha sidewalk because nobody the runway
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because he's a private piece of pilot he
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has a little air land and flies around
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ya doing stuff
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yeah and it starts out very much more
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like the road that sort of sad and
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depressing and then he has a little
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journey and learns things and grows as a
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person and yes and other people grow
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yeah well also shooting people who get
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2,000 that's that sounds really good
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it is the post pilot yeah ah let's see
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what else i read i read a bunch of books
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in january i read a leaf the unseen
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which is a good book probably the second
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best book I read that month i've read
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what else am i right
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I i read so here's another kind of Books
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series of books that aren't really well
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written but they're fun
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the iron druid series which is another
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urban fantasy it follows this the last
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druid who lives in tempe arizona and he
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does all kinds of wacky stuff and is
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goes around killing gods and making
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trouble and the hijinks ensue
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I got to be that wager it right now so I
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really help with those books and this
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month i read a PDF Hamilton's latest 950
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page book the great north road which
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starts off with the murder mystery and
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ends up really kind of not well you kind
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of expect what's going to happen but
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it's very complicated and if I if you
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read any of Peter F Hamilton books he
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used he has like 200 characters and
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they're all kind of important and he's
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obsessed with portals that go to
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different planets
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so there are like five different planet
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certain are involved in this is really
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weird alien species and this
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organization has been designed to
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protect Earth against the species it's
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it's a very complicated but a good right
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dan what are you reading well I've been
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I haven't finished nearly as much as
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Scott has come no one has i know i'm on
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CW know what I used to read really fast
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said before is I just don't feel like I
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have as much time to read so I need that
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I need to make more time to read is what
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i need to do this year will be faster or
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read faster maybe I should diagonally
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gotta go
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yeah I finished earlier in january i
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finished the wind through the keyhole
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which is the new Stephen King darktower
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book which i like that was pretty good
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maybe not my favorite of all the dark
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tower books but I put it squarely in the
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middle it's got some it's also a story
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inside a story inside a story which he i
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think he likes to do now
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and so there's you know a couple
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different layers and serve at the heart
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of the nub of the story in the middle is
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a fairy tale which is actually kind of
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cool because it's set in this universe
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so I like that a lot night I do like the
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dark tower series overall it's one of my
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favorite series of books and someday
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we'll have a comfortable discussing
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extended today we're really likes it
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in addition to that over the brook which
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maybe you guys heard of drama
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it was pretty good lately
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no I i'm currently in two things one is
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I think Jason you agree mr. but I mean
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the human division by slc yes is
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episodic version he's episodically
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releasing parts of his book set in the
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old man's war universe you're calling
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every everything episodic tonight's all
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absolutely everything just everything is
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coming up as I don't you buy episode is
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the word of the day but its weekly
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installments for ninety-nine cents and
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there like 15 of them are 14 of them and
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it's us it's essentially just took a
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sci-fi novel and every chapter has
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gotten carved up into these mega bytes
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and bits so you can only read it at the
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pace of 1a week which is kind of fun
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right and they're also they stand alone
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but they also there's an arc right it's
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like a TV show right like you're reading
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an episode a week and there's work going
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on in the background where there's
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there's something larger going on here
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but each episode is more or less
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self-contained yeah I don't know if it
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feels to be like it's just a novel but
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it's been cuddling pieces it will
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because know kind of like a TV show we
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would have the adventures of the crew of
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that one chip and that that one team
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every week along with some other bits
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and it's not like there's well it jumps
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around there are local two of the four
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installments have not featured them at
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well unless yet did you do you read also
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the the sort of episodes 0 i don't know
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if you read that there's there's a no
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yeah yeah which also does with the
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characters which also deals your
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characters from the Clark so there's
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kind of interludes basically it seems
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like we're every other episode roughly
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deals with our main characters and then
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the other ones are ya things that are
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tangential to the plot yeah but that
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makes me think that you wouldn't do that
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on TV show so it feels it feels a little
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more like it's just another thread into
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bits but it's it's a fun experiment and
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the cost of what they're gonna charge
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for the fully booked at the end is no
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more than the cost of reading a new
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installment every tuesday and it's kind
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of a fun it's not like the green mile
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its but it's like that and they're
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slowly you can you can knock them off
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and you know less than an hour because
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they're not that long
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no they're yeah they're short but the
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farm right and they're fun and I like
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that universe i really enjoyed and said
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in the the old man's war universe which
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is a great universe and so avenue I've
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been enjoying that although i think i'm
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behind one or two and I've also been
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reading the sequel to a book that I know
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Scott is also red which is i'm reading
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my kohls fortress Frontier which is the
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sequel to his book control point which I
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know we both read and I think
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recommended last year
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yes and so I'm enjoying that and then
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didn't it is an interesting departure
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I'm entirely finished I think I'm like
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eighty ninety percent down though it's
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an interesting departure in that it so
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far there's a it deals with a separate
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main character from the first book the
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the protagonist in the first book and
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appears in some of the earlier chapters
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but his story is again sort of
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intertwined with this new character
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which I'm i'm enjoying I ate it delves
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more into this parallel world called the
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source which is basically this where all
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the you know they're strange magical
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creatures and stuff but it follows the
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adventures of the American army and it's
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you know division of wizards basically
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who are in suckiness in this plane and i
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use it you know he's a what makes it
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what makes it interesting to read is
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that this is all you available all the
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characters are more on you know in the
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military and he's a Coast Guard
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reservist so he clearly knows what he's
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talking about and so I think that the
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verisimilitude aspect comes off really
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well and I think he's pretty sure i
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really enjoy his stuff it's it's fun
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it's kinda it's pretty light but it's
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more than the page turn around men in
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the you know heavy literature realm but
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to see how to last you know 10 15
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percent of it goes i seem to recall that
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damn on Twitter taunted me and said that
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he would finish this book before I did
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and in fact i'm done with it failed burn
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you fail I fail so I found the the new
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character in a second but much more
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interesting than the main character of
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the last book so huh experiment more
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compelling that he has a little bit more
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of an arc going on in that the first
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book is set up more like this guy is a
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fugitive essentially through reasons
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that are kind of confusing but the
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second this one deals with a guy who is
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basically a and not once not dissimilar
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to the brook is a bureaucrat who is
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forced to do some decidedly not
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bureaucratic things huh
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and it rises to the occasion or does he
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pay somebody reading i have also i read
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the dog stars which we just talked about
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but aren't going to talk about further
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my talk about that later I also i'm
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reading the human division by john
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scalzi which we are in the middle of
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then we talked about already so i'm
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going to make people who like certain
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series sad i read i read stormfront
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which is the harry dresden first harry
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dresden book i know that a lot of fans
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and Harry dressed and novels out there i
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found it kind of mediocre oh there I
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know there were parts of it was not a
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bad kind of story but the writing the
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actual writing was kind of blame and I
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don't know it didn't I i haven't bought
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a second 1i guess that's you know we
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have to read the good one
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the fourth one is really good i haven't
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read any of them but I know that Jason
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tachi who occasionally appears on the
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spot yes had to basically have that same
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reaction was like I read the first 1i
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like wizards and stuff so I thought it
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might be kind of cool and then I just
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like couldn't stop reading them because
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you get like I've got like an hour-long
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hour-and-a-half kind i just need
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him i guess but but i might go back to
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it just tell us tell us what else you
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mention here which is not a novel at all
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available you can go to haul of nearly
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great calm it's a collection of essays
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players who were really good but not
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great and not in the Hall of Fame so
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norm cash but it is this it is such a
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bizarre but they're all really good
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little little sis so baseball fans check
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it out it's a secret little thing so
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couple and then you move on so Hall of
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another chance I that's what the chat
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better i have that bad what happened
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first book of everyone's like oh you
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gets really good at the third book and I
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don't like the first book
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why am I going to read two more books
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yeah that's the 8th is the tough part
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is really hard to sell that if you're if
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the first book doesn't really when you
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overwrite yeah you gotta entertain me
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now I I'm not you know the fu ripped off
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if i read a whole book and I get to the
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evidence to be continued know but the
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it's like it's like if you wanted two
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really boring no but wait wait until the
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pot the Empire follow it for it's gonna
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be good
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it's gonna be so good so good to just
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give you like to 3,000 years which we
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read next
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i guess.i guess we should we should talk
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about the dogstars next maybe the eyes
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seems yeah so so people should go on and
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read that and read the book if you
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haven't because we really liked it
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true but you should read the dogstars
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already read dogs first because then
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you'll enjoy ya
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road and you'll be like whoa that's
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read the dogstars first because after
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you read the book you want to read
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anything ever exactly and read the rook
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rook never read the book that's the it
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won't depress you at all yeah that one
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right now is that laughs you won't cry
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no you won't cry or laugh because they
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laugh a lot yeah just say what are they
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putting in the water in Australia
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yeah greatness greatness is in the water
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what are they putting in me plane crash
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planes in the water and the hands the
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author of the book has to write a press
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release about pressure exactly and
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that's how it works in Australia it's
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amazing what a country well because yes
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that's not how they speak in Australia
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Scott but things never he doesn't
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actually know with anyway so we've come
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to the end of this book club and this
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was great and I i want i once again i'm
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grateful to Scott melty because he read
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all the books and then tell us which
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books to read and he was right again I
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have a pretty good batting average so
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far you do i'm trying to pretend like I
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know sports
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yeah that's good excellent work hard
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pollen really great you can get ready
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you really you really score a lot of
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goals Scott yeah with your badge down
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whoo yeah whoo so I'd like to thank my
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fellow compatriots here in this book
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club Dan Morgan thank you very much for
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joining us and for reading the book my
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pleasure i'll all the way through now i
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will now not read the next four books
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just to just understand sorry no you got
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to get back into you just said on the
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podcast you gotta read more books
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you can't hold me to everything I've
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ever said on this is true just you know
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books they're not that
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yeah I'm you there readable I do really
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love books I'm sorry and I'm i don't
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know i have cheated I cheated on the
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television too much as well how do i
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know i've fallen prey to them it's the
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most American of past yeah that's true
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and of course Scott McNulty thank you as
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always for controlling everything we do
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here you are all my puppets
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yeah yay you like but we're happy
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puppets because damn only dance because
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we're afraid we don't dance we only read
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books for you with book reading
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puppets read faster all right yes sir
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yes sir master with a lot of books
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together
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alright thanks to everybody out there
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