The Incomparable

126: A Dark, Dark Narnia


00:00:00   the incomparable is sponsored by fairway [TS]

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00:00:06   the incomparable number 126 februari [TS]

00:00:18   welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:20   this is jason smell your host and I am [TS]

00:00:22   convening this edition of the [TS]

00:00:23   incomparable to be a comic book club so [TS]

00:00:27   we're going to talk about comic book [TS]

00:00:29   club [TS]

00:00:30   we're not going to wear so we're gonna [TS]

00:00:31   talk about a comic and what I like to do [TS]

00:00:34   is see if we can pick something that's [TS]

00:00:37   available in a trade paperback so if [TS]

00:00:39   you're not somebody who haunts your [TS]

00:00:40   local comic shop every week that's okay [TS]

00:00:42   you can run out and get a get the trade [TS]

00:00:46   paperback and read it and it's just like [TS]

00:00:48   a book club except it's got pictures you [TS]

00:00:50   see that's the difference they make a [TS]

00:00:51   comic book and our selection for this [TS]

00:00:55   edition of comic book club is called [TS]

00:00:57   lock and key and joining me to talk [TS]

00:01:01   about locking key which is a series but [TS]

00:01:05   it's not an open-ended series 2 [TS]

00:01:07   closed-ended series and we're going to [TS]

00:01:08   talk primarily about the first volume [TS]

00:01:09   and then we'll progress from there a [TS]

00:01:11   little bit fire off the spoiler horn [TS]

00:01:13   when necessary [TS]

00:01:14   my usual compatriots on the comical [TS]

00:01:16   clever here Lisa Schmeisser thanks for [TS]

00:01:18   joining me [TS]

00:01:19   it's a pleasure to be here glad to have [TS]

00:01:20   you and Jason brightman is here with a [TS]

00:01:23   shiny new microphone to be on the [TS]

00:01:25   podcast [TS]

00:01:26   hi Jason yeah it's great to be here it's [TS]

00:01:28   great to have you and joining us a [TS]

00:01:30   special new addition to the comma club [TS]

00:01:34   its moist s2 jaan hai my SS hello Jason [TS]

00:01:37   it's lovely to take a break from hosting [TS]

00:01:39   two comics podcast to be on another [TS]

00:01:41   comics podcast you like the wolverine of [TS]

00:01:44   comics podcast member of every day [TS]

00:01:46   anyway locking key is by joe hill and [TS]

00:01:51   gabriel rodriguez and joe hill if you're [TS]

00:01:55   not aware i keep saying this and and I [TS]

00:01:58   he probably would roll his eyes at this [TS]

00:01:59   is he stephen king's kid if you haven't [TS]

00:02:02   heard of Stephen King what's wrong with [TS]

00:02:04   you but I think he's a really good [TS]

00:02:05   writer [TS]

00:02:06   I'll say that out front but i have to [TS]

00:02:08   say i think i think it's sort of [TS]

00:02:10   relevant that he stephen king's kid only [TS]

00:02:11   because his his writing is familiar it [TS]

00:02:15   reminds me of Stephen King in some ways [TS]

00:02:16   in and and this is definitely a horror [TS]

00:02:19   edged comic in some ways and also it's [TS]

00:02:23   set in in New England but proving that [TS]

00:02:26   he is independent of his father it is [TS]

00:02:28   largely set in the the town of Lovecraft [TS]

00:02:31   mass [TS]

00:02:31   the chusetts not name a few hundred [TS]

00:02:34   miles to the south of castle rock maze [TS]

00:02:36   huh that's right it's not made so it's [TS]

00:02:38   very different from his fault yeah i was [TS]

00:02:42   thinking about the similarities between [TS]

00:02:44   stephen king's work in Joe Hill's and I [TS]

00:02:47   was also thinking it takes a heck of a [TS]

00:02:49   lot of nerve to be a child of Stephen [TS]

00:02:52   King's and to go into basically the same [TS]

00:02:53   line of work in mind the same genre is [TS]

00:02:56   too especially when one of your parents [TS]

00:02:57   is is the 20th century's answer to [TS]

00:03:00   Charles Dickens you know until you [TS]

00:03:03   mentioned that I had no idea Joe Hill [TS]

00:03:05   was stephen king's kid you didn't know [TS]

00:03:07   oh no III didn't know which just shows [TS]

00:03:09   you how much Stephen King I've read [TS]

00:03:10   about this podcast get out this as best [TS]

00:03:14   you can [TS]

00:03:15   it's a it's a good perspective because [TS]

00:03:17   now that you mention that it makes sense [TS]

00:03:19   and i can recognize some certain things [TS]

00:03:22   in there there's a vibe there right [TS]

00:03:23   there the fact there's a tone so i read [TS]

00:03:25   i read actually 11 we're going to talk [TS]

00:03:28   about maybe a little bit later but I [TS]

00:03:29   read volume for of locking key first [TS]

00:03:32   which is completely normal [TS]

00:03:34   mostly because it was nominated for Hugo [TS]

00:03:35   warden and as a hugo voter i got the [TS]

00:03:38   packet with all the nominees including [TS]

00:03:40   walking key and I just thought it was [TS]

00:03:42   one of those I didn't realize it was so [TS]

00:03:44   self-contained that it really was a [TS]

00:03:46   story to be read from beginning to end [TS]

00:03:47   but i had no idea who Joe Hill was when [TS]

00:03:49   i read it and i was impressed enough at [TS]

00:03:51   that point to say wow that was really [TS]

00:03:53   good i don't understand half of what I [TS]

00:03:55   read and I need to go back to the [TS]

00:03:56   beginning and start with vol.1 welcome [TS]

00:03:59   to Lovecraft available at your local [TS]

00:04:01   local comics store from ID'd idw [TS]

00:04:05   publishing and I've got my copy read my [TS]

00:04:08   hot little hands here a paper copy of it [TS]

00:04:09   I don't know where to begin this is the [TS]

00:04:11   first volume is really interesting [TS]

00:04:13   because over over the future volumes are [TS]

00:04:16   set in this town but only one is is [TS]

00:04:19   about setting a mood and introducing us [TS]

00:04:22   to these characters and I was trying to [TS]

00:04:24   explain in two sentences what this story [TS]

00:04:26   is to my wife and the best I could I [TS]

00:04:28   could kind of come up with is it's about [TS]

00:04:30   these kids who are in California and [TS]

00:04:33   their father is murdered and they have [TS]

00:04:36   to move back to to this town in New [TS]

00:04:39   England not mean and the murderer comes [TS]

00:04:42   to get them because that's basically the [TS]

00:04:44   story of the [TS]

00:04:45   of welcome to Lovecraft I mean it at all [TS]

00:04:48   and there's no their magic keys by the [TS]

00:04:50   way [TS]

00:04:51   well I thought that one of the the most [TS]

00:04:52   chilling aspects of welcome to Lovecraft [TS]

00:04:54   in a book that is just chock-full them [TS]

00:04:57   is the realization that this brutal [TS]

00:05:00   murder isn't even really the point of [TS]

00:05:03   the story it's just an event meant to [TS]

00:05:06   set the whole story in motion and that [TS]

00:05:08   it only gets more horrific by the end [TS]

00:05:10   when you realize that there is some [TS]

00:05:12   malign force that's moving all of these [TS]

00:05:14   people into place like so many bubbles [TS]

00:05:16   chess pieces that's that set the murder [TS]

00:05:20   itself is plenty horrific and if I close [TS]

00:05:22   my eyes I can still see the comic-book [TS]

00:05:24   panel where the daughter kenzie is [TS]

00:05:28   holding boat is holding your hand over [TS]

00:05:30   bodis mouth and and cowering something [TS]

00:05:32   the axe murderer can't find them [TS]

00:05:33   just just the way that panel is shot and [TS]

00:05:35   composed and Incas is haunting it's [TS]

00:05:40   incredible art and it's horrifying to [TS]

00:05:41   look at the same time it's so effective [TS]

00:05:43   and it you're right in one way it's not [TS]

00:05:46   really representative of where the [TS]

00:05:48   series is going but it's so evocative [TS]

00:05:53   from the get-go because it's it's the [TS]

00:05:55   thing that it sets the whole story in [TS]

00:05:56   motion but it's not you know this this [TS]

00:05:59   isn't a meditation on the impact of that [TS]

00:06:02   act of violence on these children I mean [TS]

00:06:05   it is sort of that but it's really about [TS]

00:06:07   putting these kids on a trajectory and [TS]

00:06:09   it almost reminded me of like a like a [TS]

00:06:12   Narnia kind of dark dark Narnia kind of [TS]

00:06:15   thing where there's magic and the kids [TS]

00:06:17   to get to that to get to this house [TS]

00:06:19   where where this magical you know [TS]

00:06:22   magical keys where they're located [TS]

00:06:26   there's this terrible tragedy like it's [TS]

00:06:28   the blips in the case of narnia and here [TS]

00:06:30   it's it's a murder right well one of my [TS]

00:06:31   favorite books as a kid was james and [TS]

00:06:33   the giant peach which it all begins with [TS]

00:06:36   James's parents being horribly [TS]

00:06:38   grotesquely killed in a animal attack [TS]

00:06:41   escaped what is it like a rhinoceros or [TS]

00:06:43   something escapes from thanks for a [TS]

00:06:44   lovely disney movie right right well [TS]

00:06:46   yeah about me but starts out really dark [TS]

00:06:49   right one and then it kinda and he goes [TS]

00:06:51   to his awful answer gets darker but they [TS]

00:06:53   reminded me that a little bit too or [TS]

00:06:54   there's this horrible moment that kicks [TS]

00:06:57   off the [TS]

00:06:58   a series of unfortunate events right [TS]

00:07:01   yeah it'sit's by the way the panel i'm [TS]

00:07:03   talking about is on page 45 for anybody [TS]

00:07:05   who's playing along at home has the [TS]

00:07:06   trade paperback and you see repeated [TS]

00:07:09   again on page 61 in a lot more detail [TS]

00:07:12   much much more recently so it's [TS]

00:07:17   definitely this is one of the things [TS]

00:07:18   about the series they do a great job of [TS]

00:07:19   repeating visual motifs over and over [TS]

00:07:21   again on without beating you over the [TS]

00:07:23   head with it which I really appreciate [TS]

00:07:24   it well I think the storytelling in [TS]

00:07:28   particular though the first chapter or [TS]

00:07:30   the first issue if you were doing it in [TS]

00:07:32   the floppy way the way it opens up with [TS]

00:07:36   just the the welcome mat in the door and [TS]

00:07:37   then the the two murderers at the door [TS]

00:07:41   with their you you see their weapons [TS]

00:07:45   sort of hidden here and this is just on [TS]

00:07:47   the the second page of the thing is [TS]

00:07:49   already you know no good is going to [TS]

00:07:51   happen but start setting this tone of of [TS]

00:07:53   hidden motives hidden objects the bodies [TS]

00:07:57   in the back of the truck really got me [TS]

00:07:58   too [TS]

00:07:59   there's a runaway refers shot where you [TS]

00:08:01   see that did that although they're being [TS]

00:08:03   you know sort of like posing as as [TS]

00:08:05   reasonable people there are dead bodies [TS]

00:08:06   in the in the back of the pickup she [TS]

00:08:08   says I like your pickup it's from my [TS]

00:08:10   uncle he doesn't mind in India it's [TS]

00:08:12   readily apparent why and it's just that [TS]

00:08:16   well it one of the themes that seems to [TS]

00:08:18   be embroidered over the series is that [TS]

00:08:19   that you don't know will kill you and [TS]

00:08:22   they lay that out in the first nine [TS]

00:08:24   pages of the above excuse me to the [TS]

00:08:25   first three pages of the book so Joe [TS]

00:08:29   hell does not mess around [TS]

00:08:31   now I'm know I was thinking about this [TS]

00:08:34   and like i said i think i think stephen [TS]

00:08:37   king is basically the 20th century [TS]

00:08:38   answer to charles dickens and that he's [TS]

00:08:40   written a lot of fiction and actually [TS]

00:08:43   created a lot of fictional troops that [TS]

00:08:44   have become part of pop culture people [TS]

00:08:47   always talk about problems and pig's [TS]

00:08:48   blood the same way and the shining can [TS]

00:08:51   certainly entered people's you know [TS]

00:08:54   lexicons even if some of that can be [TS]

00:08:55   attributed Stanley Kubrick and I thought [TS]

00:08:58   about how challenging it has to be if [TS]

00:09:00   you are a writer and you're trying to to [TS]

00:09:01   pull together this whole narrative [TS]

00:09:03   universe and you're like alright the [TS]

00:09:06   stuff that I'm sorting through my head [TS]

00:09:07   my imagination how much of that is [TS]

00:09:08   coming from and how much of that is [TS]

00:09:10   stuff that my dad was gassing [TS]

00:09:11   about the dinner table vinegar sink oh [TS]

00:09:13   you know how was your day uh wasn't that [TS]

00:09:16   I i wrote a scene about a bunch of [TS]

00:09:18   people living under a dome today [TS]

00:09:20   oh you know how do you how do you find [TS]

00:09:23   your own original voice in that and i [TS]

00:09:26   would love to know how Joe Hill is done [TS]

00:09:27   it because there's a lot of King [TS]

00:09:30   influences for example i think a lot of [TS]

00:09:32   naming a lot of the names he comes up [TS]

00:09:34   with his characters have a very Stephen [TS]

00:09:35   King feel to them because King has a [TS]

00:09:37   gift for giving his characters very [TS]

00:09:38   vivid and illustrative name's not that [TS]

00:09:41   that's continued here but at the same [TS]

00:09:43   time we don't you don't feel like he's [TS]

00:09:44   doing he's not doing an impression of [TS]

00:09:46   his father if I didn't know that he was [TS]

00:09:48   stephen king's kid I would say that [TS]

00:09:50   somebody was influenced by stephen king [TS]

00:09:51   right clearly yeah but he's not a [TS]

00:09:53   sentimental like he's always been a [TS]

00:09:55   really broad street of sentiment running [TS]

00:09:56   through Kings work almost mawkish this [TS]

00:09:58   and places and this book is a little i [TS]

00:10:01   wouldn't say nasty cuz that like I tend [TS]

00:10:03   to think of your game is being kind of [TS]

00:10:04   having a nice broad stroke of nastiness [TS]

00:10:06   to his comic book writing but he'll [TS]

00:10:09   seems to be a lot more clear-eyed a lot [TS]

00:10:10   less sentimental about people's emotions [TS]

00:10:12   and motives and the damage they do to [TS]

00:10:13   other people and i find it refreshing [TS]

00:10:17   yeah I think that kind of brewed brutal [TS]

00:10:20   honesty about the characters motivations [TS]

00:10:22   without the need to go back to the that [TS]

00:10:26   kingfish sentimentality for [TS]

00:10:29   sentimentality sake was one of the [TS]

00:10:32   things that I found most arresting about [TS]

00:10:33   it on on my first read-through of the [TS]

00:10:36   first chair of the first volume of it [TS]

00:10:38   welcome to Lovecraft and it's one that i [TS]

00:10:40   reread even though i had the other for [TS]

00:10:43   sitting right there and I was ready to [TS]

00:10:44   plow right through them [TS]

00:10:45   I had to become come to grips that with [TS]

00:10:48   the fact that it was going to be just [TS]

00:10:50   this uncompromising and that's that's [TS]

00:10:52   what really hooked me in immediately men [TS]

00:10:56   and made it so compelling for me I mean [TS]

00:10:57   where they're dealing with issues of the [TS]

00:10:59   other mothers substance abuse and [TS]

00:11:01   post-traumatic stress disorder that that [TS]

00:11:04   has resulted from this thing in the way [TS]

00:11:06   that the kids are coping in different [TS]

00:11:08   ways how the daughters trying to figure [TS]

00:11:10   out not just who she is as a human being [TS]

00:11:12   but as an adolescent girl wanting to you [TS]

00:11:16   know start relationships with [TS]

00:11:18   with with with girls as well as with the [TS]

00:11:21   guys romantically and trying to navigate [TS]

00:11:24   that on top of being the epicenter of [TS]

00:11:27   all of this really terrible stuff and [TS]

00:11:29   then the little kid trying to be a [TS]

00:11:31   little kid and then the eldest brother [TS]

00:11:34   trying to find his place in the whole [TS]

00:11:35   thing and there isn't this there isn't [TS]

00:11:39   this periodic kumbaya moment where [TS]

00:11:42   everybody is [TS]

00:11:43   yeah you know just holding hands and and [TS]

00:11:45   sharing wore glasses of milk and graham [TS]

00:11:47   crackers just doesn't happen [TS]

00:11:48   yeah because you meet Zach at the end [TS]

00:11:50   and you're like oh crap oh no so so that [TS]

00:11:54   I mean that I think you're right there's [TS]

00:11:55   so much here that because you eat there [TS]

00:11:57   is this whole layer of it would plot [TS]

00:11:59   alone right [TS]

00:12:00   the kids parent their kid's father is [TS]

00:12:02   killed they they basically flee to the [TS]

00:12:06   other side of the country to the to the [TS]

00:12:07   town where he grew up [TS]

00:12:08   the mother is a wreck that would be that [TS]

00:12:10   would be enough but the fact is that the [TS]

00:12:12   killer escapes is basically killing his [TS]

00:12:16   way across the country to get to them [TS]

00:12:18   meanwhile they're trying to adapt to [TS]

00:12:20   their new town so you've got all of the [TS]

00:12:22   interpersonal dynamics of being a kid in [TS]

00:12:25   a new town trying to trying to a plus [TS]

00:12:28   its where their father grew up so there [TS]

00:12:31   are some land mines about the families [TS]

00:12:33   there too and then oh yes the killer who [TS]

00:12:36   is being supervised by a supernatural [TS]

00:12:38   forest is going to come to the house [TS]

00:12:41   named and finish the job and also [TS]

00:12:45   there's a voice in the bottom of the [TS]

00:12:46   well saying bring me things right and [TS]

00:12:49   the back in theirs right introduced at [TS]

00:12:53   the end of the first chapter is that [TS]

00:12:54   door that you walk through and you die [TS]

00:12:57   yeah well that's a great moment where [TS]

00:13:01   that that's our introduction to the [TS]

00:13:02   magic keys is that there's there's a [TS]

00:13:04   gateway that sets your astral self free [TS]

00:13:07   but by all accounts what happens is [TS]

00:13:09   basically your body collapses in the [TS]

00:13:11   heat and it's like you died except that [TS]

00:13:12   your ghost and you get to go around and [TS]

00:13:14   see what's going on but it freaks out [TS]

00:13:16   the people who find your dead body right [TS]

00:13:19   mhm uh that with yeah yeah i mean which [TS]

00:13:22   is really cool and that's that's that [TS]

00:13:24   there there's our fantasy element I mean [TS]

00:13:25   and there that's definitely here but [TS]

00:13:28   it's interesting that it's playing with [TS]

00:13:29   all these other things like the kids the [TS]

00:13:31   kids story of [TS]

00:13:32   fleeing after a traumatic event and [TS]

00:13:34   trying to adapt to a town that would be [TS]

00:13:36   a story that would be good story on its [TS]

00:13:38   own about effectively going from having [TS]

00:13:40   two parents to know parents as their mom [TS]

00:13:42   for all intents and purposes is checked [TS]

00:13:43   out yeah she's a drunk and basically yes [TS]

00:13:46   i would argue she's big she's turned to [TS]

00:13:48   the bottle for understandable reasons [TS]

00:13:49   but the net result is that she can [TS]

00:13:51   therefore she's she's she's not able to [TS]

00:13:53   process [TS]

00:13:54   no she's not able to parent right now [TS]

00:13:56   and so these poor kids have gone from to [TS]

00:13:58   parents to know parents have been thrust [TS]

00:14:00   3,000 miles across country and like you [TS]

00:14:04   said that alone would actually make a [TS]

00:14:06   really good comic comic but then you [TS]

00:14:08   throw in escapes spree killer and in [TS]

00:14:11   some certain supernatural elements and [TS]

00:14:14   that the backstory of living in Dad's [TS]

00:14:15   old house and the hints of the mysteries [TS]

00:14:17   of them for example it's obvious and [TS]

00:14:20   telling that they do the tempest is a [TS]

00:14:22   senior play and and there are clues to [TS]

00:14:24   future books in that shot of of the [TS]

00:14:26   tempest and you're like a you know any [TS]

00:14:28   taxes brought up the dad there's a [TS]

00:14:30   there's a shot of the dad in the senior [TS]

00:14:32   play and it's the gym mr. i wanted to [TS]

00:14:33   talk about the dad a little bit because [TS]

00:14:34   what one of the things that fascinates [TS]

00:14:36   me about the series is that the dad is a [TS]

00:14:38   pivotal figure and he's dead [TS]

00:14:43   very very quickly right here [TS]

00:14:47   oh yeah quite rapidly he is dead and yet [TS]

00:14:50   his shadow hangs over everything because [TS]

00:14:53   they end up in the town we see him as a [TS]

00:14:56   kid in the in the high school play of [TS]

00:14:58   the tempest and and over the course of [TS]

00:15:00   time you know what the history of this [TS]

00:15:02   house and the history of this town are [TS]

00:15:04   matters a huge amount of the story but [TS]

00:15:08   it is kind of fascinating a narrative [TS]

00:15:11   trick that you know we know he's going [TS]

00:15:13   to be important at the very beginning [TS]

00:15:14   and he's immediately killed and that [TS]

00:15:15   doesn't make him any less important it [TS]

00:15:17   makes them kind of vitally important it [TS]

00:15:18   makes it more mystery to unravel yeah so [TS]

00:15:21   toward the end of of this volume there [TS]

00:15:24   is a great dialogue that i have come to [TS]

00:15:26   appreciate more and more as I've read [TS]

00:15:28   more volumes of the series but it goes [TS]

00:15:31   for this whole how the whole first book [TS]

00:15:33   is designed howhow it's uh plotted which [TS]

00:15:36   is 11 of the sinister character shall we [TS]

00:15:39   say says you can't understand because [TS]

00:15:42   you're reading the last chapter of [TS]

00:15:44   something without having read the first [TS]

00:15:45   chapter [TS]

00:15:46   you're a little you're a little guy bode [TS]

00:15:48   kids always think they're coming into a [TS]

00:15:50   story at the beginning when usually [TS]

00:15:51   they're coming in at the end and [TS]

00:15:53   definitely you know there are two ways [TS]

00:15:56   to read this story we we're reading it [TS]

00:15:59   is the beginning of locking key this is [TS]

00:16:01   this is going to be a six-part series [TS]

00:16:04   that tells a whole big story and so for [TS]

00:16:06   us it's the beginning but it's very [TS]

00:16:08   clear as you're reading it that there's [TS]

00:16:10   this whole undercurrent the story of the [TS]

00:16:12   kids coming to the town is just [TS]

00:16:13   beginning but they are inheriting all of [TS]

00:16:17   this baggage that comes with their their [TS]

00:16:20   family's history and this house and the [TS]

00:16:22   where the magic keys came from and all [TS]

00:16:25   of this stuff and and that really adds a [TS]

00:16:27   wonderful i think layer of foreboding of [TS]

00:16:29   you know god what are they getting [TS]

00:16:31   themselves into their fleeing this [TS]

00:16:33   horrible event into the arms of MOR [TS]

00:16:36   horribleness said the I i love that line [TS]

00:16:39   too and there's Pat I've only read the [TS]

00:16:42   first volume and so there's there's [TS]

00:16:44   clear kind of foreshadowing that the [TS]

00:16:47   father was involved in in some of this [TS]

00:16:49   stuff before when he was a kid and so [TS]

00:16:52   are we starting deal with its a sins of [TS]

00:16:55   the father sort of story as it plays out [TS]

00:16:57   which is it is tough because you know [TS]

00:16:59   the father is is killed at the beginning [TS]

00:17:01   and so you feel really really bad and [TS]

00:17:03   then as time goes on you're like what [TS]

00:17:05   was he involved with this is not [TS]

00:17:06   spoiling anything to say that that shot [TS]

00:17:08   of everybody in that the photograph of [TS]

00:17:10   every one of the tempest you learn over [TS]

00:17:12   the next few volumes why it's so [TS]

00:17:14   important to travel in there and what [TS]

00:17:16   happens to everybody in it so it talks [TS]

00:17:18   about how the fact that no one [TS]

00:17:20   generation is insulated from another I'm [TS]

00:17:22   getting chills just talking about this [TS]

00:17:24   stuff [TS]

00:17:25   I'm it literal Jill's well it is [TS]

00:17:28   refreshing in in an industry with comics [TS]

00:17:31   especially where how shall I put this [TS]

00:17:33   delicately writers tend to make stuff up [TS]

00:17:36   you get the sense sometimes they have no [TS]

00:17:39   idea what they're doing and they're [TS]

00:17:40   making it up as they go along and with [TS]

00:17:43   lock and key [TS]

00:17:44   the more I've read it the more I know [TS]

00:17:47   that they this is a story that was [TS]

00:17:50   planned out to the detail and its really [TS]

00:17:54   refreshing to get that sense that you're [TS]

00:17:55   in you know you're in the hands of [TS]

00:17:58   somebody who is really in complete [TS]

00:17:59   control [TS]

00:17:59   all of where the story is going because [TS]

00:18:02   there have been lots even though it's [TS]

00:18:03   not it's not over yet and who knows what [TS]

00:18:05   the ending will be exactly but having [TS]

00:18:08   read a lot of a lot of this story now [TS]

00:18:10   five-sixths of this story [TS]

00:18:12   I don't feel at any point that I've [TS]

00:18:15   gotten the sense that there's been a [TS]

00:18:17   trick played on me that in order to [TS]

00:18:20   figure out how the story goes the story [TS]

00:18:22   is a you know the story of solid and and [TS]

00:18:26   reading back to the first volume only [TS]

00:18:29   reinforces it after i read more of it [TS]

00:18:31   which I really love because that doesn't [TS]

00:18:32   you know you might see that in a 6 or 12 [TS]

00:18:34   issue miniseries but this is something [TS]

00:18:36   that's gonna last what is it going to be [TS]

00:18:38   37 issues and it's going to be it i [TS]

00:18:41   think solid all the way through [TS]

00:18:44   yeah I'm very often now it's it's it's [TS]

00:18:46   it's an incredibly well thought-out [TS]

00:18:48   series and i think one of the things I [TS]

00:18:50   like about it is that the art style that [TS]

00:18:54   gabriel rodriguez has there's something [TS]

00:18:57   almost playful about the way he he does [TS]

00:18:59   a good job with the menace and all that [TS]

00:19:00   too but but the lines remind you a lot [TS]

00:19:02   of the the kind of playful almost anime [TS]

00:19:04   aesthetic that began to hit comics in [TS]

00:19:07   the late nineties early aughts the last [TS]

00:19:08   time comic book stores decided the girls [TS]

00:19:10   were paying attention to and then you [TS]

00:19:12   have these books that were drawn with [TS]

00:19:13   you know girls bouncing ponytails and [TS]

00:19:15   people with big eyes and and bright [TS]

00:19:17   shiny smiles and there's there's kind of [TS]

00:19:19   an element of that in here to which we [TS]

00:19:21   can get [TS]

00:19:22   yeah and it underscores the horror so [TS]

00:19:24   nicely because it points out that you [TS]

00:19:26   know all these surface appearances are [TS]

00:19:28   are showing you that things are are cute [TS]

00:19:30   and no class and clean and and shiny and [TS]

00:19:34   actually they're not everything is just [TS]

00:19:36   kind of rotting from the inside out or [TS]

00:19:37   being dragged down into pits of an [TS]

00:19:40   Aimable evil bye-bye forces people don't [TS]

00:19:42   understand but hey there hair looks [TS]

00:19:44   great what's happening [TS]

00:19:46   I have to get a lot of credit to give [TS]

00:19:48   Rodriguez for um for being so consistent [TS]

00:19:52   with a with the characters now some part [TS]

00:19:54   of this is over over all of these issues [TS]

00:19:57   it is just him doing the art which is [TS]

00:20:00   great because II a lot of series you [TS]

00:20:03   lose track of who's who [TS]

00:20:05   because they don't look the same anymore [TS]

00:20:06   and not only not only is it consistent [TS]

00:20:09   but he's drawn a [TS]

00:20:13   these characters that they are instantly [TS]

00:20:15   recognizable I don't know how even know [TS]

00:20:17   how to describe it other than to say [TS]

00:20:18   that everybody looks like they look they [TS]

00:20:20   don't look like who which one is that [TS]

00:20:23   you know which guy is that which girl is [TS]

00:20:25   that [TS]

00:20:25   yeah you know you you know from the [TS]

00:20:28   shape of their face from that did the [TS]

00:20:30   big you know who's got the big chin it's [TS]

00:20:32   not even like what they're wearing from [TS]

00:20:33   their eyes or who bites your lip all the [TS]

00:20:35   time exactly or or who hunches in a [TS]

00:20:38   specific way and who sits easy and open [TS]

00:20:40   and and he actually does a really great [TS]

00:20:43   job in just a few lines conveying a lot [TS]

00:20:48   this is a guy who the artist is [TS]

00:20:49   obviously studied body language a lot [TS]

00:20:51   because just the way people lean into [TS]

00:20:53   each other or lean into or out of a [TS]

00:20:55   frame is incredibly telling the body [TS]

00:20:58   language that he uses for LA through the [TS]

00:21:00   course of the series is heartbreaking in [TS]

00:21:04   a way I feel terrible for that to her [TS]

00:21:06   and Elly Elly is a character went to [TS]

00:21:09   school with the kid's father and who's [TS]

00:21:12   now gives the track coach of the school [TS]

00:21:14   right yeah and we we get such a limited [TS]

00:21:19   peek into her in the first volume the [TS]

00:21:22   first few volumes actually and we don't [TS]

00:21:25   know where this way without spoiling [TS]

00:21:29   anything this this on Rails kind of [TS]

00:21:33   complacency where it's you know you you [TS]

00:21:36   wonder what could be compelling this [TS]

00:21:39   behavior what what could be behind all [TS]

00:21:41   of this fear that's driven her into [TS]

00:21:44   almost Stepford ism yeah there's an [TS]

00:21:49   answer [TS]

00:21:50   there's an answer and it's horrifying [TS]

00:21:52   there's an answer that is absolutely [TS]

00:21:53   horrifying [TS]

00:21:54   yeah that describes so much of the [TS]

00:21:56   series one of the great things about le [TS]

00:21:58   that she's the mother of Rufus who I [TS]

00:22:00   think is my favorite character I'm Jason [TS]

00:22:02   Jason be i should say when you get to [TS]

00:22:04   vol.2 and beyond the only home talking [TS]

00:22:07   about but it's one of those characters [TS]

00:22:09   where you have to go back and and just [TS]

00:22:11   kind of genuflect at the altar Joe Hill [TS]

00:22:13   for how careful he's planned out the [TS]

00:22:16   character and [TS]

00:22:17   his specific personality traits and [TS]

00:22:20   everything he says because it is encoded [TS]

00:22:22   in like two or three layers of meaning [TS]

00:22:24   so Jason you we've got it's great that [TS]

00:22:27   we've got you here who's only read [TS]

00:22:28   volume 1 and at some point we'll we'll [TS]

00:22:31   let you will put you in the chamber of [TS]

00:22:32   silence and and maybe discuss what [TS]

00:22:34   happens after but i'm interested in your [TS]

00:22:35   take having you know if you've got more [TS]

00:22:37   to say about about what you think and [TS]

00:22:39   where you think this is going having [TS]

00:22:40   only read volume 1 because it's hard for [TS]

00:22:42   me to think about this story especially [TS]

00:22:44   since i started with vol.4 about what my [TS]

00:22:48   take on it would have been because it [TS]

00:22:49   does it does progress and change and [TS]

00:22:51   shift gears over over the course of of [TS]

00:22:54   telling this story so you know what's [TS]

00:22:56   your take being a babe in the woods [TS]

00:22:57   whose only read only one and i'm super [TS]

00:23:01   excited listening to you guys you know [TS]

00:23:04   talk about where it's going in the fact [TS]

00:23:05   that it it it is satisfying because like [TS]

00:23:08   we've talked about on previous podcast [TS]

00:23:10   there's a lot of stories that you feel [TS]

00:23:11   halfway through the writer sort of lost [TS]

00:23:13   their way [TS]

00:23:14   yeah and its net not a satisfying ending [TS]

00:23:17   so I'm more anxious to read the rest of [TS]

00:23:19   them now so I found the the first [TS]

00:23:24   chapter a little difficult on the [TS]

00:23:29   artwork side at getting in because the [TS]

00:23:31   the first you know several scenes are it [TS]

00:23:35   cuts between the present in the past the [TS]

00:23:39   farmhouse and the city and you're just [TS]

00:23:43   meeting the characters and so I had a [TS]

00:23:47   very kind of closely read it and once or [TS]

00:23:48   twice go back to be like oh is this [TS]

00:23:50   character that one which i found it a [TS]

00:23:52   little bit difficult to get into the [TS]

00:23:53   story that they quickly went away by the [TS]

00:23:55   end of the first issue I was thinking [TS]

00:23:57   about that when you guys were talking [TS]

00:23:57   about the artwork because I completely [TS]

00:24:01   agree as it went on the the artwork in [TS]

00:24:04   the simplicity of it in the sort of vary [TS]

00:24:06   somewhat manga inspired style that was a [TS]

00:24:13   nice contrast to the absolute horror of [TS]

00:24:15   what was going on and made the horse [TS]

00:24:17   stuff seemed more horrific yes because [TS]

00:24:21   of its its cuteness [TS]

00:24:25   I said I got a lot out of the first [TS]

00:24:27   issue a lot of kind of foreboding you [TS]

00:24:29   know bad things happened in the first [TS]

00:24:31   issue and then they went away and they [TS]

00:24:35   got to Massachusetts you're like oh ok [TS]

00:24:36   now now it's gonna be a story about them [TS]

00:24:39   getting their lives back together then [TS]

00:24:41   right and then they'd be the you know [TS]

00:24:44   evil sort of follows them and you didn't [TS]

00:24:48   you see that the spirit in the the well [TS]

00:24:50   is the same one that's been manipulating [TS]

00:24:52   the the guy who killed their father and [TS]

00:24:54   he's coming to get them and so there was [TS]

00:24:56   you see that the impending doom of that [TS]

00:24:58   coming as well as the hints particularly [TS]

00:25:02   not a phrase that you mentioned Jason of [TS]

00:25:05   kids always think they're coming in at [TS]

00:25:07   the beginning of a story [TS]

00:25:09   there's just so much foreboding that I [TS]

00:25:12   think that's why i hadn't picked up the [TS]

00:25:13   second issue yet in the sense that like [TS]

00:25:15   you you feel like there's a car wreck [TS]

00:25:18   coming and and it's hard to kind of want [TS]

00:25:21   to pick up the next book to to see the [TS]

00:25:24   rack [TS]

00:25:25   yeah you know yes I I see what you're [TS]

00:25:30   saying that it definitely there is a [TS]

00:25:32   sense that this is going to be things [TS]

00:25:35   are going to get worse right otherwise [TS]

00:25:36   there wouldn't be a story there's going [TS]

00:25:38   to be more here [TS]

00:25:39   what surprised me without giving too [TS]

00:25:40   much away is throughout the series the [TS]

00:25:45   ability for for each not just even each [TS]

00:25:48   volume but each issue to shift gears and [TS]

00:25:51   tell stories almost it's almost Twilight [TS]

00:25:54   Zone like we're while advancing his [TS]

00:25:57   general plot or painting in some of the [TS]

00:26:01   background to to explain what's going to [TS]

00:26:03   be happening later on he can take these [TS]

00:26:06   detours Joe hell does where where [TS]

00:26:09   there's an issue that is aa little bit [TS]

00:26:13   off format or even if its advancing the [TS]

00:26:15   story it's it's it's weirdly [TS]

00:26:17   self-contained it's like this is the [TS]

00:26:19   issue where again not to give too much [TS]

00:26:21   away [TS]

00:26:21   this is the issue where they find the [TS]

00:26:23   key that lets them become animals right [TS]

00:26:26   that's like an issue and it's great and [TS]

00:26:30   it does advance the story but it's great [TS]

00:26:32   on its own and there's a there's the the [TS]

00:26:34   issue that is the story is advancing but [TS]

00:26:37   there's the issue with them [TS]

00:26:38   the that the teacher the the black [TS]

00:26:43   teacher who smokes a pipe and it's like [TS]

00:26:47   you're flashing but when he was young [TS]

00:26:48   and but he knew the kids and and so he [TS]

00:26:53   he knows the bad the identity of the bad [TS]

00:26:55   person looking right and and there that [TS]

00:26:58   is advancing the plot but it's also got [TS]

00:27:00   this beautiful internal story almost it [TS]

00:27:02   reminded me of watchmen wear while [TS]

00:27:05   advancing the story there's that there's [TS]

00:27:06   some really artful self contained in an [TS]

00:27:09   issue like I feel like by the end I it [TS]

00:27:13   reference what happens at the very [TS]

00:27:14   beginning and it's beautiful and it's [TS]

00:27:15   sad and it's and and and there's a lot [TS]

00:27:18   of that there's an issue with like big [TS]

00:27:20   monsters fighting each other that's just [TS]

00:27:22   like that's the issue so it that's [TS]

00:27:25   that's the thing that surprised me about [TS]

00:27:26   it is all the overarching story is rough [TS]

00:27:28   and you know it is like evil trying to [TS]

00:27:31   defeat the forces of good basically but [TS]

00:27:34   inside it [TS]

00:27:35   he doesn't you know it's not a [TS]

00:27:37   relentless drive to that I guess is what [TS]

00:27:39   I'm saying there are some really [TS]

00:27:40   interesting things that are not quite [TS]

00:27:42   diversions from the story because they [TS]

00:27:45   all I think matter but you don't feel [TS]

00:27:48   like you're just on this train track [TS]

00:27:49   where it's just going to be every single [TS]

00:27:51   issue is just boom boom boom hitting you [TS]

00:27:53   with the latest painful plot development [TS]

00:27:56   which supported that I i really enjoyed [TS]

00:27:58   that that that in volume to volume 3 I [TS]

00:28:01   didn't feel like I was just getting [TS]

00:28:02   hammered with the latest terrible thing [TS]

00:28:04   that the you know that the forces of [TS]

00:28:06   evil were we're trying to achieve nice [TS]

00:28:08   and i did like the the last panel of the [TS]

00:28:11   the first story arc where you see all of [TS]

00:28:14   the keys and yeah you sort of start [TS]

00:28:17   looking at them guessing i wonder what [TS]

00:28:18   that cadence I wonder what that kid [TS]

00:28:20   oh yeah and some of them are a little [TS]

00:28:23   more self evident than others but you [TS]

00:28:24   still a boy [TS]

00:28:27   there's a lot of kids going all the way [TS]

00:28:28   down ya know that the progression of how [TS]

00:28:31   they introduced us to these keys and [TS]

00:28:32   what they do is really interesting to [TS]

00:28:34   where Jason is saying that there are [TS]

00:28:36   some keys that we get an entire issue [TS]

00:28:38   dedicated to what they do some of them [TS]

00:28:40   that we see and then they don't actually [TS]

00:28:42   find the key for some time [TS]

00:28:45   others that are talked about and then [TS]

00:28:46   suddenly discovered and then [TS]

00:28:48   there's a run i can't remember which [TS]

00:28:50   volume it's in where we at one of my [TS]

00:28:53   favorite bits of it i'll find it at some [TS]

00:28:55   point uh during the discussion where [TS]

00:28:58   they go through the month februari and [TS]

00:29:00   we have discovered a bunch of different [TS]

00:29:01   keys and we don't get a whole lot of [TS]

00:29:04   information other than look here the [TS]

00:29:06   kids covered in you know monsters [TS]

00:29:09   fighting them and one of them's got [TS]

00:29:11   wings now and you get you get these [TS]

00:29:14   little vignettes with little other [TS]

00:29:17   explanation just because you he he's got [TS]

00:29:21   the economy of story down to where he [TS]

00:29:24   doesn't have to give you the same kind [TS]

00:29:25   of look they've discovered a new key [TS]

00:29:27   like to liken it to anime you know [TS]

00:29:32   here's another dragon ball let's spend [TS]

00:29:34   eight hours on this you know because you [TS]

00:29:37   just you don't you don't have to do that [TS]

00:29:39   every time but there are some of them [TS]

00:29:41   that it really it really does matter to [TS]

00:29:45   know not just what they do but why they [TS]

00:29:49   were created s williams in the chatroom [TS]

00:29:51   says that's in look for in volume for i [TS]

00:29:54   love us William and and that echoes to [TS]

00:29:58   what i was saying earlier too thanks [TS]

00:29:59   because i forgot mad at a that issue but [TS]

00:30:01   that's another thing that's it's you [TS]

00:30:03   know it's not it's off format got enough [TS]

00:30:05   that the end of volume 3 is deeply [TS]

00:30:07   awfully disturbing [TS]

00:30:08   um there's a lot of disturbing to go to [TS]

00:30:11   go along but but then then they mix it [TS]

00:30:14   up right [TS]

00:30:15   you know it's it's I'll i really like it [TS]

00:30:17   I mean I i have to say just I've been [TS]

00:30:20   very impressed with all of it and yet i [TS]

00:30:23   read vol.5 today and you know afterward [TS]

00:30:28   I felt kind of antsy and kind of [TS]

00:30:31   disturbed like i need to i need to to [TS]

00:30:34   calm down except you know and and not [TS]

00:30:37   think about for a while you start going [TS]

00:30:38   to do a podcast about later so right but [TS]

00:30:40   but there it is affecting and I think [TS]

00:30:43   it's a good I think a good way I think [TS]

00:30:44   it's powerful but it's it's you know it [TS]

00:30:47   can be tough stuff it's it's kinda [TS]

00:30:49   unflinching this is not i have no great [TS]

00:30:51   confidence that everybody is going to [TS]

00:30:53   everything is going to end up ok at the [TS]

00:30:54   end right number [TS]

00:30:57   none known for its that impending doom [TS]

00:31:01   thing [TS]

00:31:02   yeah if he follows in his dad's [TS]

00:31:03   footsteps there's always going to be a [TS]

00:31:05   sacrifice because that's that's been a [TS]

00:31:06   theme and in in stephen king's work is [TS]

00:31:10   is that sacrifice is always required to [TS]

00:31:14   lay down evil and even then it's usually [TS]

00:31:16   temporary and i would not be surprised [TS]

00:31:18   if joe hill if that resonates with him [TS]

00:31:21   since from the three volumes I've read [TS]

00:31:24   so far one of the things that seems to [TS]

00:31:25   come up as if your glory and honor and [TS]

00:31:27   privilege is a horrible price to be paid [TS]

00:31:29   for it later and it seems to me that the [TS]

00:31:33   balance is probably going to come due by [TS]

00:31:34   the end of the book [TS]

00:31:35   yeah yeah there will be an ending that [TS]

00:31:37   I'm sure it's really satisfying on a [TS]

00:31:39   storyteller level and I i think it [TS]

00:31:40   applies a little bit heartbreaking an [TS]

00:31:42   emotional level but i'm not sure happy [TS]

00:31:44   will ever be like it to it probably yeah [TS]

00:31:47   probably not [TS]

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00:32:59   time only get a free code for the full [TS]

00:33:01   version on the iphone and ipod visit [TS]

00:33:05   giveaway dot fairway solitaire dot-com [TS]

00:33:07   to get your free code giveaway at [TS]

00:33:10   fairway solitaire com [TS]

00:33:12   there's this brief stylistic detour [TS]

00:33:17   where they actually pay tribute to Bill [TS]

00:33:19   Watterson in this comic of all comics [TS]

00:33:22   they they they do a little a little bit [TS]

00:33:26   in tribute to Bill Watterson volume for [TS]

00:33:29   that whereas you would not expect a a [TS]

00:33:33   direct calvin and hobbes art-style [TS]

00:33:35   dommage to go over with this subject [TS]

00:33:38   matter it it kind of worked perfectly [TS]

00:33:41   well Calvin and Hobbes and her friends [TS]

00:33:44   are kind of a horror strip so it is it [TS]

00:33:50   is it away when you think about it boy [TS]

00:33:52   is going to get mauled by that tiger at [TS]

00:33:53   any moment [TS]

00:33:55   no it's that boy is going to be forced [TS]

00:33:57   to take a lot of medication you know [TS]

00:33:58   special school at any moment that's [TS]

00:34:00   pretty much the better because the [TS]

00:34:02   Tigers real no it's it's it's actually [TS]

00:34:06   it's a great it's a great strip that [TS]

00:34:07   emphasizes the imagine supporters of [TS]

00:34:09   childhood and how freaking scary growing [TS]

00:34:11   up is and since one of the themes [TS]

00:34:14   through locking key is also that growing [TS]

00:34:16   up even when you aren't dealing with [TS]

00:34:18   homicidal maniacs and the fiendish fake [TS]

00:34:22   fingers of the evil undead that the [TS]

00:34:23   growing up is really tough [TS]

00:34:24   um it's kind of in the same job it's [TS]

00:34:27   kind of in the same sympathetic vein so [TS]

00:34:29   it makes a lot of sense to me i can't [TS]

00:34:30   wait to read it but i liked about the [TS]

00:34:32   series was what i expected before i read [TS]

00:34:35   it to that from the first couple of [TS]

00:34:37   pages to the end completely changed and [TS]

00:34:41   continue to change in the way you guys [TS]

00:34:42   are talking about it now it seems like [TS]

00:34:45   there's all these different levels [TS]

00:34:47   beyond the foreboding doom [TS]

00:34:49   yes in addition to before in addition [TS]

00:34:51   yeah but in the fact they do the side [TS]

00:34:54   trips and things like that you know the [TS]

00:34:56   the comic series it's somewhat reminding [TS]

00:34:59   me of is the Sandman perhaps not as [TS]

00:35:03   pretentiously but the fact that there's [TS]

00:35:07   there's you know in the Sandman they set [TS]

00:35:09   up this mythology and in here locking [TS]

00:35:11   key it's it's sort of the keys [TS]

00:35:13   yeah that that provide a framework but [TS]

00:35:15   there's it's more than that and then the [TS]

00:35:17   that's just a platform for telling these [TS]

00:35:19   other stories you know i still only read [TS]

00:35:22   like the first 12 issues of Sandman I [TS]

00:35:24   know that's sacrilege [TS]

00:35:26   I know it's not at all i'm saying is [TS]

00:35:28   jason is a fantastic opportunity because [TS]

00:35:30   we could totally do a reread and I'd [TS]

00:35:31   love to get your opinion and there's a [TS]

00:35:33   new Sandman story coming out in the next [TS]

00:35:34   couple of months [TS]

00:35:36   well we should we should get them on the [TS]

00:35:37   calendar because then I can be your test [TS]

00:35:38   case like Jason is our test case of what [TS]

00:35:40   if you've only read one volume of lock [TS]

00:35:42   and key i will be your new reader of [TS]

00:35:44   Sandman i love Neil Gaiman to I really [TS]

00:35:47   have liked his novels so I should [TS]

00:35:50   probably read the thing that made him [TS]

00:35:51   famous right probably you shovel you [TS]

00:35:54   should and fruit for those who have been [TS]

00:35:55   in Sandman withdrawal for a long while [TS]

00:35:59   this is actually a really great antidote [TS]

00:36:01   to that sickness i I'm gonna be [TS]

00:36:03   sacrilegious and it into this is where [TS]

00:36:05   the comic the comics community comes [TS]

00:36:07   after the torches and i'll actually like [TS]

00:36:09   this better than Sandman um but I think [TS]

00:36:12   Jason needs to reach you for weeks i [TS]

00:36:14   think that maybe people clutching their [TS]

00:36:16   pearls and live to she had no taste but [TS]

00:36:18   there's a lot of reasons for that and [TS]

00:36:20   I'd be happy to either expand them on [TS]

00:36:22   twitter or in private correspondence or [TS]

00:36:24   something but i think there are like i [TS]

00:36:26   said i think game is a brilliant writer [TS]

00:36:28   and I like that he does the same thing [TS]

00:36:30   Elmore does where they blindly [TS]

00:36:32   re-appropriate and mix up elements from [TS]

00:36:35   history and literature and there's kind [TS]

00:36:37   of that hey that guy moment when you [TS]

00:36:38   realize that they're dealing with you [TS]

00:36:39   know ancient mythology and it's casual [TS]

00:36:42   incorporate into modern life but I think [TS]

00:36:44   there's a streak of nastiness and gaming [TS]

00:36:45   score that that I find kind of [TS]

00:36:47   off-putting so and although again I [TS]

00:36:51   stand by my assessment that Joe Hill's [TS]

00:36:52   not sentimental i think that he has a [TS]

00:36:55   lot of compassion for the for the [TS]

00:36:57   weakness of the human condition and I [TS]

00:36:59   just empathize that a lot better than I [TS]

00:37:01   do with with the game in that approach [TS]

00:37:05   you know i can actually see that is the [TS]

00:37:07   the there's a lot more heart in lock and [TS]

00:37:11   key where the Sandman is good [TS]

00:37:14   it always stays it's somewhat of an [TS]

00:37:15   intellectual layer even when it has [TS]

00:37:18   pretty compelling characters you know I [TS]

00:37:20   would strike strikes me about it and [TS]

00:37:22   again I need to read more Sandman but [TS]

00:37:23   having read a little bit of it is that [TS]

00:37:25   it struck me as being very kind of [TS]

00:37:27   fantastical and removed and got this [TS]

00:37:29   dark Kenneth kind of world of well it's [TS]

00:37:33   very for voting and all of that in the [TS]

00:37:35   butt lock and key you know is and this [TS]

00:37:37   goes to again [TS]

00:37:39   chill is a really good writer but [TS]

00:37:41   thinking of him as as also in that in [TS]

00:37:43   the Stephen King family [TS]

00:37:46   stylistically not just literally stephen [TS]

00:37:50   king and and lucky is like this too [TS]

00:37:52   it's set in a in a real world that is [TS]

00:37:56   then thats got this monday anity to it [TS]

00:37:58   and then it's got this layer of kind of [TS]

00:38:00   horror on top of it or weirdness and end [TS]

00:38:03   and it doesn't feel like a magical world [TS]

00:38:06   even though there's magic in it whereas [TS]

00:38:08   the the Sandman that I've read anyway [TS]

00:38:11   it feels like a you know magical [TS]

00:38:12   fairytale world in its like you're [TS]

00:38:15   almost like you're coming from a [TS]

00:38:16   complete completely opposite direction [TS]

00:38:18   to get to your story from the two of [TS]

00:38:20   them this is like our world with magic [TS]

00:38:22   in it and the Sandman always seem to be [TS]

00:38:24   like a fairytale world yeah yeah which [TS]

00:38:28   is not necessarily bad or good just [TS]

00:38:31   different [TS]

00:38:32   it's because the Sandman was told from [TS]

00:38:34   that point of view right the main [TS]

00:38:35   characters are the otherworldly [TS]

00:38:37   characters writer the main characters [TS]

00:38:39   are us are these kids yeah well these [TS]

00:38:41   these kids having this at adventure [TS]

00:38:44   Lisa your husband is an a's fan and [TS]

00:38:47   those zones neighs hat to do ever did [TS]

00:38:49   you have issues with the fact that one [TS]

00:38:50   of our main characters whereas days had [TS]

00:38:52   all the time I like I don't like the [TS]

00:38:54   fact that it was said in a part of [TS]

00:38:55   northern california that's not you know [TS]

00:38:57   wall-to-wall millionaires or pixar [TS]

00:38:59   employees or whatever to valley is where [TS]

00:39:01   they started [TS]

00:39:02   yeah why I thought it was a i thought [TS]

00:39:05   was a north lisa Noah oh I think I [TS]

00:39:08   thought it was like it was it was better [TS]

00:39:10   was it like up in like chico or similar [TS]

00:39:11   but anyway yeah it's not your usual [TS]

00:39:13   Northern California several northern [TS]

00:39:14   california and i just got back from [TS]

00:39:17   spending two days of in door county so [TS]

00:39:19   you know I drove through a lot of that [TS]

00:39:20   area too [TS]

00:39:21   it's nice to see a depiction of [TS]

00:39:22   California that's not either [TS]

00:39:25   stereotypical Southern California [TS]

00:39:27   stereotypical san francisco bay area [TS]

00:39:30   I don't know if the the creative team [TS]

00:39:32   came out and actually spent some time [TS]

00:39:33   knocking around the area or if it's just [TS]

00:39:36   a lot of well educated guesswork apart [TS]

00:39:38   but i think they really nailed it was [TS]

00:39:40   nice to see ya know Jason breaking I was [TS]

00:39:43   I hadn't thought about this series that [TS]

00:39:44   may actually make your head explode [TS]

00:39:45   since we've gone back and forth on [TS]

00:39:47   preacher but how [TS]

00:39:49   what was striking me is again since this [TS]

00:39:51   is a really distinctive visual style for [TS]

00:39:53   from both the characters and the artist [TS]

00:39:54   as i thought you know the last time that [TS]

00:39:56   I associated book this strong with the [TS]

00:39:58   artist who is consistent all the way [TS]

00:39:59   through with steve dillon although to be [TS]

00:40:01   fair with dylan always characters look [TS]

00:40:03   like because they all have the same [TS]

00:40:04   shall copy the fish but but they're [TS]

00:40:07   they're always there there is you have [TS]

00:40:09   to beat the Dillon has this really [TS]

00:40:10   distinctive style where you know you [TS]

00:40:12   look like [TS]

00:40:13   yep that's a steve dillon buck did to [TS]

00:40:16   that consistency did you find that when [TS]

00:40:18   you're going through the the first trade [TS]

00:40:20   or yeah I i did i'll see I wouldn't [TS]

00:40:25   compare it to dylan's stuff just [TS]

00:40:28   stylistically my brain can go there [TS]

00:40:30   gotten it but there was I mean the [TS]

00:40:36   artwork was very consistent in the first [TS]

00:40:39   issue but I think it was just the pacing [TS]

00:40:40   of the first couple of pages made it [TS]

00:40:42   difficult for me to get in and I'm not [TS]

00:40:44   sure that was actually unintentional [TS]

00:40:46   because then once you did work to sort [TS]

00:40:48   of get in and understand then you're [TS]

00:40:49   hooked [TS]

00:40:50   yeah I can't see any preacher in sorry [TS]

00:40:51   no because it was just basically maybe [TS]

00:40:55   it was the square square jaw in the [TS]

00:40:57   young man but no there was just kind of [TS]

00:40:59   there was such a marvelous some [TS]

00:41:01   aesthetic consistency that again the [TS]

00:41:03   first thing I thought of was was they [TS]

00:41:05   had that that same consistency of line [TS]

00:41:06   and preacher but story-wise there no [TS]

00:41:09   resemblance to each other whatsoever the [TS]

00:41:11   i actually had to be on IDW's website [TS]

00:41:14   right now on there they're locking key [TS]

00:41:16   page and not only can you buy the books [TS]

00:41:18   you can actually buy replicas of the [TS]

00:41:21   keys [TS]

00:41:22   oh of course you can oh my god that that [TS]

00:41:26   uh that would frighten me actually I [TS]

00:41:27   don't want those keys in my house now [TS]

00:41:29   that somebody will come and kill me [TS]

00:41:31   not even the gender key know you buy [TS]

00:41:33   them just so that you can melt them down [TS]

00:41:35   it doesn't the price is too high the [TS]

00:41:37   price and I time machine there's a time [TS]

00:41:39   there's a time machine key to the price [TS]

00:41:41   as to why that the evil beings will come [TS]

00:41:44   and oh no no no place in this keys are [TS]

00:41:49   super creepy looking [TS]

00:41:51   yes yeah they have the replica of the [TS]

00:41:53   head key [TS]

00:41:54   well that's good because it is key Oh [TS]

00:41:56   Lord that's because it's made of diamond [TS]

00:41:57   metal but you haven't read that part yet [TS]

00:42:00   anyway [TS]

00:42:01   maybe they're here surprise [TS]

00:42:02   to see you you learn where the metal [TS]

00:42:04   comes from that makes the keys [TS]

00:42:06   that's how crazy this this this story is [TS]

00:42:09   because unicorns have to poop somewhere [TS]

00:42:11   right [TS]

00:42:13   maybe i'm being misleading so I I'd like [TS]

00:42:16   to ask before we go to ask everybody [TS]

00:42:17   that music question what are you reading [TS]

00:42:20   which i'm not going to sing it's not [TS]

00:42:21   that musical because i always like to [TS]

00:42:23   hear what everybody whatever is reading [TS]

00:42:25   and if there's something that I should I [TS]

00:42:27   should be looking for in the at the at [TS]

00:42:29   the comic shop or as i call it the [TS]

00:42:31   comics app in my ipad Lisa what are you [TS]

00:42:35   reading [TS]

00:42:35   I just finished up bryan woods run on [TS]

00:42:39   Northlanders i don't know if i have [TS]

00:42:42   talked about this series for or not i [TS]

00:42:46   should also point out that i'm a big fan [TS]

00:42:48   of brand was work in general but North [TS]

00:42:51   lenders is it's a comic book series that [TS]

00:42:54   vertical pushed out of course and [TS]

00:42:56   basically it's about Vikings and it's [TS]

00:42:59   not contiguous there's a number of [TS]

00:43:01   distinct series arcs for example the [TS]

00:43:03   first collection focuses around a guy [TS]

00:43:06   named Spencer and the returned who comes [TS]

00:43:08   back to take who wages organ somebody [TS]

00:43:12   who kicked him out of a Viking [TS]

00:43:13   settlement a long time ago they cover [TS]

00:43:15   mission that they cover early Christian [TS]

00:43:18   monks with the cross in the hammer on [TS]

00:43:20   there is up the volume i just finished [TS]

00:43:24   which is the Icelandic trilogy wrapped [TS]

00:43:25   up the whole series and it's about five [TS]

00:43:29   different generations of Icelandic [TS]

00:43:30   sellers from the first Norwegians who [TS]

00:43:32   came over escaping a political about [TS]

00:43:35   political situation on a around one [TS]

00:43:38   thing around AD 1000 possible before and [TS]

00:43:41   it goes down to the success of five [TS]

00:43:43   generations and how they basically come [TS]

00:43:45   to rule the island throught through [TS]

00:43:47   terror and ignorance and the writing is [TS]

00:43:51   it again not a sentimental series the [TS]

00:43:53   writing is often for a pitiless but it [TS]

00:43:55   one of the things he returns to over and [TS]

00:43:57   over again is how civilization that the [TS]

00:43:59   the trappings of civilization that we [TS]

00:44:02   all take for granted were kindled and [TS]

00:44:04   stops and starts during a period of time [TS]

00:44:07   when life was very harsh and the weather [TS]

00:44:09   was terrible and and the culture was was [TS]

00:44:11   very much an honor [TS]

00:44:12   honor driven one and the things people [TS]

00:44:14   do to survive and thrive and the balance [TS]

00:44:18   between the atavistic impulses that will [TS]

00:44:19   keep you alive verses from the more [TS]

00:44:23   abstract human intellect it intellectual [TS]

00:44:25   impulses are sentiments that have come [TS]

00:44:28   to define humanity as well the concept [TS]

00:44:30   and at end of civilization and again i [TS]

00:44:34   repeat Vikings so no biking's right no [TS]

00:44:37   one kind of like through line with with [TS]

00:44:39   it sort of sort of automatically linked [TS]

00:44:42   they're all about Vikings but sort of [TS]

00:44:43   different stories being told about [TS]

00:44:45   tonight yes [TS]

00:44:46   yeah there's one that set the Faroe [TS]

00:44:47   Islands there's another one that said [TS]

00:44:49   there's some other set in Iceland there [TS]

00:44:50   are some that are settin on during the [TS]

00:44:52   period the periodic sackings of the [TS]

00:44:54   British Isles things like that [TS]

00:44:55   oh there's one about set called the [TS]

00:44:58   plague window which is set in Russia and [TS]

00:45:00   deals with what happens to a woman who [TS]

00:45:03   who is widowed again during a plague in [TS]

00:45:05   what she has to do to survive and fend [TS]

00:45:06   off the attentions of the vigilantes who [TS]

00:45:09   have taken over the village in the wake [TS]

00:45:11   of every figure of authority dying [TS]

00:45:13   during a plague [TS]

00:45:14   well they do return to spend in one [TS]

00:45:16   volume send the immoral where he has to [TS]

00:45:18   fend off a challenge to our that he ends [TS]

00:45:20   up settling but there's no one main [TS]

00:45:22   character I mean if anything the [TS]

00:45:23   characters kind of the the Viking ethos [TS]

00:45:26   and it the earliest story i think is [TS]

00:45:31   setting about 780 ad and that it usually [TS]

00:45:34   runs to about 1,100 so it's it's a [TS]

00:45:36   really bloody really brutal period of [TS]

00:45:38   history and it's also fascinating one [TS]

00:45:41   because you're talking about a culture [TS]

00:45:43   that had rammed up repeatedly against [TS]

00:45:46   the Roman Empire and this is another [TS]

00:45:49   Roman parking spot was also be to [TS]

00:45:50   crumble and so this is about what [TS]

00:45:52   happens to people who are kind of [TS]

00:45:53   whipsawed between all of these these [TS]

00:45:54   different forces scrambling to to grab [TS]

00:45:58   grab resources in a really dark attic [TS]

00:46:01   time [TS]

00:46:02   alright so it's 5050 issues collected as [TS]

00:46:06   seven trade paperbacks i have from [TS]

00:46:09   right-handers yeah I have like I have [TS]

00:46:12   like to them on hand i think of another [TS]

00:46:13   five bird in my collaborator fibroid in [TS]

00:46:15   my collection somewhere and i really [TS]

00:46:18   like bryan woods work in general because [TS]

00:46:21   he also wrote [TS]

00:46:23   I think he did he do that [TS]

00:46:26   let's c MZ he got black sure you don't [TS]

00:46:29   want which one I really like is local [TS]

00:46:30   um yea which was done with ryan kelly [TS]

00:46:34   and actually jason i think you would [TS]

00:46:37   really like that Jason you would really [TS]

00:46:38   like local because it follows the [TS]

00:46:40   adventures of one woman through about a [TS]

00:46:41   decade of her life from college through [TS]

00:46:44   to about age 30 and she bounces around [TS]

00:46:47   the country and what happens to her and [TS]

00:46:50   and what happens around her and um the [TS]

00:46:52   theme within the theme of that series is [TS]

00:46:54   is I mean that the overall morale is [TS]

00:46:57   there's no such thing as a geographic [TS]

00:46:58   cure because wherever you go there you [TS]

00:46:59   are [TS]

00:47:00   but under the but another one of the [TS]

00:47:01   themes is that place can shape you more [TS]

00:47:03   subtly than you can imagine and you [TS]

00:47:05   often don't realize that until you [TS]

00:47:07   actually the place but yeah Brian would [TS]

00:47:09   also does DMC which i was reading for a [TS]

00:47:11   while um I don't remember why I stopped [TS]

00:47:13   you picked up again but he's a he's a [TS]

00:47:17   he's got a for lack of better he's got a [TS]

00:47:19   really nice fresh modern sensibility and [TS]

00:47:23   keep he doesn't bring that to bear on [TS]

00:47:25   the vikings but he does do a great job [TS]

00:47:28   of casting their societal arms into a [TS]

00:47:31   perspective that modernize connection [TS]

00:47:33   modern eyes and anna and mentalities can [TS]

00:47:36   understand and rock and I think that's a [TS]

00:47:38   real gift for any storytelling to be [TS]

00:47:40   able to take a history to be able to [TS]

00:47:42   take any historic period and put into [TS]

00:47:44   context for somebody who's coming at it [TS]

00:47:45   from from their own you know many many [TS]

00:47:48   centuries removed perspective so yeah I [TS]

00:47:50   would end and again best of the series [TS]

00:47:52   is totally done so there's no need to [TS]

00:47:54   worry about having to sort through 20 [TS]

00:47:56   years of continuity your backstory [TS]

00:47:57   yeah yeah yeah yeah and it's and i also [TS]

00:48:02   have anything the vikings are pretty [TS]

00:48:04   under represented in popular literature [TS]

00:48:05   anyway so you might as well there's the [TS]

00:48:08   big boom in Viking comics and that no [TS]

00:48:10   that never happened [TS]

00:48:11   now now something something I should [TS]

00:48:14   throw in the just got announced as Brian [TS]

00:48:15   Wood is is taking on the adjective lists [TS]

00:48:18   x-men title and and it's going to start [TS]

00:48:21   in an all tea all uniting is so excited [TS]

00:48:24   about that yeah [TS]

00:48:26   x-men misleading title come on really [TS]

00:48:30   get to be fairly accusing him of [TS]

00:48:31   innovation the sixties where you know [TS]

00:48:33   men was it seemed to stand for Humanity [TS]

00:48:35   in general Charles Xavier was a horrible [TS]

00:48:38   horrible sexist or not [TS]

00:48:41   okay that's great that's I things i have [TS]

00:48:44   never even heard of i love it i love [TS]

00:48:46   being completely surprised by what are [TS]

00:48:48   you reading Jason brightman what are you [TS]

00:48:49   reading [TS]

00:48:50   well I'll go in the opposite sort of [TS]

00:48:52   direction and the book i'm most enjoying [TS]

00:48:55   now is matt fraction's Hawkeye I've [TS]

00:48:58   heard such good things about that but it [TS]

00:49:00   is so good and we can talk about it on a [TS]

00:49:02   upcoming podcast because i think the [TS]

00:49:03   trade comes out in a month or two [TS]

00:49:05   yeah it comes I i want to say that comes [TS]

00:49:07   out early februari buddy everything [TS]

00:49:09   fractions been touching his turn to [TS]

00:49:10   absolute gold [TS]

00:49:12   yeah the so this Hawkeye story every [TS]

00:49:16   issue is self-contained uh no real [TS]

00:49:19   continuity between the issues and it's [TS]

00:49:23   sort of as the kind of preamble of the [TS]

00:49:25   book says this is what Hawkeye does when [TS]

00:49:29   he's not saving the world with the [TS]

00:49:31   Avengers which is mostly hanging out in [TS]

00:49:34   his apartment and getting into trouble [TS]

00:49:37   loop there's a beautiful scene where a [TS]

00:49:40   Tony Stark is over his house and I can't [TS]

00:49:43   even remember why but during the entire [TS]

00:49:45   conversation Hawkeyes trying to get his [TS]

00:49:47   his stereo system hooked up and failing [TS]

00:49:50   miserably to the point that a stark says [TS]

00:49:54   look I'll just buy you a new one forget [TS]

00:49:55   it let's go [TS]

00:49:57   it's a really really funny serious they [TS]

00:50:00   did just have a aa2 issue event that [TS]

00:50:05   wasn't self-contained because it was two [TS]

00:50:07   issues but the artwork was so beautiful [TS]

00:50:09   and the the cover of one was a VHS tape [TS]

00:50:11   and the cover of the second one was that [TS]

00:50:13   VHS tape chattered and blood everywhere [TS]

00:50:16   as it was a a tape that showed Hawkeye [TS]

00:50:22   murdering somebody and this was a shield [TS]

00:50:26   tape it was a VHS thing not even a [TS]

00:50:28   digital tape and then it got stolen and [TS]

00:50:30   was out for auction and Hawkeye had to [TS]

00:50:32   get it back and it was a really really [TS]

00:50:37   funny started and that's the thing that [TS]

00:50:39   stories are so kind of light-hearted and [TS]

00:50:41   funny with a lot of heart and the [TS]

00:50:44   artworks beautiful and it's unlike any [TS]

00:50:46   other book on the Shelf right [TS]

00:50:48   now I'm reading an article here that [TS]

00:50:50   refers to it as the Avenger who is just [TS]

00:50:53   a dude and says that the plot of issue [TS]

00:50:56   number one is that his lair landlords [TS]

00:50:58   have something about the rent and his [TS]

00:51:00   dog needs to go to the vet [TS]

00:51:02   wow wow that's all if it was a cat i [TS]

00:51:06   think the dramatic statement be up [TS]

00:51:08   dramatically with me out tremendously in [TS]

00:51:10   the latest issue of Captain Marvel [TS]

00:51:12   that's what Captain Marvel has to do is [TS]

00:51:14   take her cat to the vet now will be [TS]

00:51:18   seated during the pivotal sticking [TS]

00:51:20   cramming your cat carrier secrets are [TS]

00:51:22   with that our vets funding secretly [TS]

00:51:25   funding Marvel now or like pet insurance [TS]

00:51:27   secretly behind Marvel Comics know [TS]

00:51:30   so besides that i'm also reading and [TS]

00:51:31   enjoying the new value into books [TS]

00:51:33   oh yes all my god they're so good which [TS]

00:51:37   is surprising you know I was a big fan [TS]

00:51:38   of them back in the early nineties and [TS]

00:51:41   you have to remember that in the early [TS]

00:51:44   nineties was more like the late eighties [TS]

00:51:46   automatically it was before the image [TS]

00:51:48   comics and the the big capes and badly [TS]

00:51:52   drawn characters and it was still about [TS]

00:51:54   story and it really feels even though I [TS]

00:51:57   everything in the new valiant comics [TS]

00:51:59   have all the modern sensibilities the [TS]

00:52:03   the stories feel very much like those [TS]

00:52:06   original valiant issues its they're [TS]

00:52:08   doing a really great job and there you [TS]

00:52:10   go changing stuff and making it more [TS]

00:52:11   modern but keeping the spirit of the [TS]

00:52:13   characters so much intact [TS]

00:52:15   that's cool i remember you talking to me [TS]

00:52:17   about the old value stuff and then now [TS]

00:52:19   they're now there's new family and stuff [TS]

00:52:21   new value stuff end of them uh elegant [TS]

00:52:25   i'm really liking Shadow Man and it's [TS]

00:52:27   almost embarrassing to say but a [TS]

00:52:28   bloodshot is really really good [TS]

00:52:32   I didn't expect to like it at all no me [TS]

00:52:34   neither and the bloodshot the name it's [TS]

00:52:36   just so stupid and it's kind of a [TS]

00:52:37   cliché of a a character now even back [TS]

00:52:42   then it really wasn't where the the [TS]

00:52:43   characters got these nanites that you [TS]

00:52:46   know can rebuild them from any injury [TS]

00:52:48   but they've done a really sort of [TS]

00:52:50   interesting take on that as well as it's [TS]

00:52:53   the the character who doesn't know who [TS]

00:52:55   he is and he's got to figure out his [TS]

00:52:57   past and it's been pretty exciting and [TS]

00:53:00   drawn really well and I did not expect [TS]

00:53:02   to like it at all which then makes it so [TS]

00:53:04   much sweeter when you do [TS]

00:53:05   cool is what are you reading way too [TS]

00:53:09   much map the new value books I've been [TS]

00:53:13   catching up on the one that i was most [TS]

00:53:15   delinquent on his Harbinger which is [TS]

00:53:17   kids with powers but not where everybody [TS]

00:53:21   gets together in a happy-go-lucky team [TS]

00:53:23   and they have a nice mansion and their [TS]

00:53:26   own jet and everything its you're [TS]

00:53:29   bringing me down man [TS]

00:53:30   yeah you know it the it's a different [TS]

00:53:33   take on superhero tropes what what [TS]

00:53:35   they're doing across the valiant line [TS]

00:53:37   and I've been I've been really impressed [TS]

00:53:39   with it and at first i was like a value [TS]

00:53:42   books are back aren't well that's [TS]

00:53:43   interesting they're going to make more [TS]

00:53:45   crappy video games [TS]

00:53:47   oh wait no these are people who actually [TS]

00:53:48   care okay great we have an episode [TS]

00:53:51   giant-sized we talk about that plug 47 [TS]

00:53:55   ronin has been really good even though [TS]

00:53:57   I've missed you so Jimbo for a number of [TS]

00:54:00   months as stan sakai has focused on [TS]

00:54:02   telling what is considered in terms of [TS]

00:54:06   ancient culture one of the definitive [TS]

00:54:07   great Japanese myths in comic form i [TS]

00:54:12   don't think it's getting a whole lot of [TS]

00:54:13   attention because it's the guy who does [TS]

00:54:15   use audio Jimbo doing an ancient [TS]

00:54:17   Japanese feudal myth but it's a really [TS]

00:54:20   good book and it's it's a limited run it [TS]

00:54:23   only be around for a little while and [TS]

00:54:24   then I'm catching up on all kinds of [TS]

00:54:26   stuff I'm digging back story i'm gonna [TS]

00:54:29   start back at amazing spider-man 600 [TS]

00:54:31   work forward and see if they really are [TS]

00:54:32   full of crap when they say they've been [TS]

00:54:34   playing this for nearly 10 years to do [TS]

00:54:37   things that raised and Benjamin's blood [TS]

00:54:39   pressure [TS]

00:54:40   what else there's something there are 0 [TS]

00:54:43   new avengers now New Avengers i'm [TS]

00:54:46   reading because i'm totally nuts for [TS]

00:54:48   Doctor Strange and we'll pick up just [TS]

00:54:50   about anything that he's in if if [TS]

00:54:54   anything just to to to cast a [TS]

00:54:57   disapproving glare at it because I think [TS]

00:55:01   he's the the most underused [TS]

00:55:03   cool character that Marvel has but New [TS]

00:55:06   Avengers takes the conceit of this [TS]

00:55:08   Illuminati group that he and Professor [TS]

00:55:10   Xavier and Ireland Richards down for me [TS]

00:55:13   Reed Richards Reed Richards name or [TS]

00:55:15   these guys got together and decided they [TS]

00:55:18   were going to be the secret Council of [TS]

00:55:20   superpower do that we're going to rule [TS]

00:55:21   earth and Black Bolt showed up and was [TS]

00:55:23   like yeah i'm i'm in um I'll just hang [TS]

00:55:25   out in the back [TS]

00:55:26   well he didn't say that he wrote it on [TS]

00:55:28   oh yeah he said it with his eyes with it [TS]

00:55:31   because got a lot and signing [TS]

00:55:36   interpretive dance then at some point [TS]

00:55:38   these guys came into possession of the [TS]

00:55:40   infinity gems which are very important [TS]

00:55:43   thing in the Marvel Universe going back [TS]

00:55:45   to infinity gauntlet and the New [TS]

00:55:47   Avengers are one of the many Avengers [TS]

00:55:51   plus adjective books but it's it's the [TS]

00:55:54   one that I find the most interesting [TS]

00:55:56   compelling alongside what I would argue [TS]

00:55:58   is is is is starting to be a pretty [TS]

00:56:02   compelling run on the core Avengers book [TS]

00:56:03   by jonathan hickman where the core [TS]

00:56:06   vendors book they're gonna have like 80 [TS]

00:56:08   Avengers or something they've got guys [TS]

00:56:10   like manifold who I forgot even existed [TS]

00:56:12   whose powers to essentially create a [TS]

00:56:15   door to go from point A to point B [TS]

00:56:17   that's all he does is literally all he [TS]

00:56:19   does is it he's a really good plot [TS]

00:56:21   device [TS]

00:56:22   how is that any different than close [TS]

00:56:24   though of cloak-and-dagger that's like [TS]

00:56:25   clothes whole thing as he runs around [TS]

00:56:27   his hot girlfriend and you have this [TS]

00:56:29   less dark this guy just has a door and [TS]

00:56:31   when you go through cloak and heat you [TS]

00:56:32   know the darkness tries to each you so [TS]

00:56:35   it's less than effective door this is [TS]

00:56:37   just this is just a guy opening a door [TS]

00:56:39   and on the other side is where you need [TS]

00:56:40   to go now he's literally the Avengers [TS]

00:56:42   doorman it's all the jagers early [TS]

00:56:44   literally is i think i do improve a day [TS]

00:56:47   so where would you like to go there you [TS]

00:56:49   go have a good day [TS]

00:56:51   you know animal the that the writing on [TS]

00:56:53   him and some of the other characters [TS]

00:56:54   stuff that people that they haven't [TS]

00:56:57   messed around with that much they [TS]

00:56:59   they're bringing some X x-men or former [TS]

00:57:02   x-force people in like cannonballing [TS]

00:57:03   rector and they've the the cast of this [TS]

00:57:06   book three issues in is about 20 people [TS]

00:57:09   but there's some big threat that they've [TS]

00:57:11   all got a fight but but New Avengers is [TS]

00:57:14   the Illuminati guys facing a bigger [TS]

00:57:18   threat that is is kind of on the scale [TS]

00:57:21   of cascading quantum chaos threatening [TS]

00:57:25   to end the universe and so they say well [TS]

00:57:27   III guess we're gonna have to agree to [TS]

00:57:30   reassemble the infinity gauntlet and I'm [TS]

00:57:33   sure that this is going to go really [TS]

00:57:35   well yeah ultimate power really never [TS]

00:57:37   corrupts at all it'll be fine [TS]

00:57:42   no my go-to book overall though is is [TS]

00:57:45   Deadpool which has consistently [TS]

00:57:46   entertain me in the four issues that [TS]

00:57:49   we've gotten since they relaunched it [TS]

00:57:50   without a bunch of weird stuff Daniel [TS]

00:57:53   was doing with it the is he still the [TS]

00:57:56   fighting dead presidents [TS]

00:57:57   yes he's still finding dead presidents I [TS]

00:57:59   think I think he fights Abe Lincoln in [TS]

00:58:02   the next one big one that's a big one [TS]

00:58:05   that's a big it's a big milestone I told [TS]

00:58:07   i told the the guys riding it that if if [TS]

00:58:09   they didn't have something interesting [TS]

00:58:10   in store for military Millard Fillmore [TS]

00:58:13   I that was it i'm just going to drop the [TS]

00:58:16   book but now they're there's so much [TS]

00:58:18   good stuff out there i recently tried [TS]

00:58:20   catching up on a bunch of the new 52 [TS]

00:58:21   stuff which a lot of which I dropped one [TS]

00:58:24   or two months in just because it wasn't [TS]

00:58:26   doing it for me now going back and you [TS]

00:58:28   know looking back issues i realize [TS]

00:58:30   exactly why I dropped 99.9 percent of [TS]

00:58:34   these books because either editorial was [TS]

00:58:38   you know running roughshod over the over [TS]

00:58:41   the writers or it just been they didn't [TS]

00:58:44   gel very few of them still work i'm glad [TS]

00:58:47   that I stuck with the Batman books i'm [TS]

00:58:48   glad that i stopped pouring needless [TS]

00:58:51   piles of money in the green lantern [TS]

00:58:52   family of Lucky Charms books [TS]

00:58:55   beeping red LED screen letters we what [TS]

00:58:58   me landed Zoolander we got lanterns for [TS]

00:59:00   every color in the rainbow [TS]

00:59:02   I got all the legends here rainbow [TS]

00:59:04   Lanterns have a good like my little pony [TS]

00:59:07   kind of competitor rainbow lanterns [TS]

00:59:09   yeah yeah frankly I would read at this [TS]

00:59:12   point i would rather read the my little [TS]

00:59:14   pony friendship is magic book then any [TS]

00:59:16   of the green lantern books because I i [TS]

00:59:18   feel like i'm getting one line of book [TS]

00:59:21   worth of story spread across [TS]

00:59:23   five different comics which is just that [TS]

00:59:25   I'm sure that it probably does some good [TS]

00:59:28   things for their balance sheet but i'm [TS]

00:59:29   just i'm not into that kind of crap [TS]

00:59:31   anymore [TS]

00:59:31   well you're you're you're reading a lot [TS]

00:59:33   of stuff I gotta say way too much I i'm [TS]

00:59:36   not i'm not reading so much and much of [TS]

00:59:39   the stuff that I'm reading is boring [TS]

00:59:40   because I've talked about before you [TS]

00:59:42   know still reading ultimate spider-man [TS]

00:59:44   now Jason if they had the gender key [TS]

00:59:46   then they could take Ultimate Spider [TS]

00:59:48   Woman and turned her back in 2 Peter [TS]

00:59:50   Parker there you go would solve [TS]

00:59:53   everything so walking key mash-up with [TS]

00:59:55   the Ultimate Universe and then we'll [TS]

00:59:57   then finally there would be a peter [TS]

00:59:59   parker who was a lot [TS]

00:59:59   parker who was a lot [TS]

01:00:00   I've again that'd be nice speaking of [TS]

01:00:03   which i did read amazing spider-man 700 [TS]

01:00:05   and there's a whole podcast a me [TS]

01:00:08   complaining about that I refer you to [TS]

01:00:10   that podcast for more i'm enjoying [TS]

01:00:13   all-new i'm enjoying all-new x-men which [TS]

01:00:16   is again Bendis and that is the kind of [TS]

01:00:18   ridiculous and yet a delightful premise [TS]

01:00:20   of the original x-men being thrown into [TS]

01:00:22   the modern-day world that we live in or [TS]

01:00:25   at least the Marvel Universe equivalent [TS]

01:00:26   and being kind of horrified and dealing [TS]

01:00:28   with the fact that what happened to them [TS]

01:00:30   when they all got all ball with a that [TS]

01:00:33   all growed up or in some people's cases [TS]

01:00:36   got all megalomaniacal and died jun Greg [TS]

01:00:40   not naming names Phoenix anyway uh huh [TS]

01:00:43   i'm enjoying that I think that that's [TS]

01:00:44   actually exploiting that premise really [TS]

01:00:48   well and it's a it's all about the [TS]

01:00:51   characters and and and how they interact [TS]

01:00:54   with the world and then they put kids [TS]

01:00:55   sort of Kitty Pryde is their babysitter [TS]

01:00:57   which is hilarious that give you [TS]

01:00:58   practice the authority figure over the [TS]

01:01:01   original x-men so I I've been enjoying [TS]

01:01:04   that and and and i continue to enjoy [TS]

01:01:07   extreme x-men by Gregg Popovich just got [TS]

01:01:09   canceled which makes me very sad [TS]

01:01:11   so we're gonna officially have the wake [TS]

01:01:12   for extreme x-men because I was [TS]

01:01:15   following it to such a great book [TS]

01:01:17   alternate universe hopping x-men [TS]

01:01:19   alternate Wolverine alternate micro kid [TS]

01:01:21   Nightcrawler led by the dazzler from the [TS]

01:01:24   main marvel universe who now apparently [TS]

01:01:26   is available to be in that other x-men [TS]

01:01:28   book with all the other women x-men I [TS]

01:01:30   suppose so [TS]

01:01:31   somebody should give dazzler call she's [TS]

01:01:33   she's free she's still dating Sam got [TS]

01:01:35   three [TS]

01:01:35   no no no she's been she's been busy [TS]

01:01:39   yeah she's been she's been hopping [TS]

01:01:40   hopping from from alternate reality to [TS]

01:01:42   alternate reality great book going to be [TS]

01:01:44   very sad to see it go but but I'm that [TS]

01:01:49   reading currently two x-men books that's [TS]

01:01:51   a record for me since the days when i [TS]

01:01:53   was reading x-men new mutants in high [TS]

01:01:55   school so [TS]

01:01:57   oh I wanted to mention also that I [TS]

01:01:58   signed up for Marvel's digital comics [TS]

01:02:00   unlimited who which is now if you if you [TS]

01:02:04   pay whenever is fifty dollars for a year [TS]

01:02:06   it will actually write work on the ipad [TS]

01:02:08   and it's not too bad [TS]

01:02:10   surprisingly it used to be flash based [TS]

01:02:12   entirely and it [TS]

01:02:13   basically like Netflix for Marvel Comics [TS]

01:02:15   it won't give you anything current but [TS]

01:02:18   it does have a 10,000 comics they go [TS]

01:02:22   back they got a lot of classics from the [TS]

01:02:25   sixties a lot of stuff from about sort [TS]

01:02:27   of 225 years ago and then kind of [TS]

01:02:30   sporadic throughout that other error [TS]

01:02:32   other issues that they've digitized but [TS]

01:02:35   it's actually if you've got you know if [TS]

01:02:38   you if you got a lot of time and want to [TS]

01:02:40   read lots of old Marvel Comics it's [TS]

01:02:43   probably a pretty good deal certainly [TS]

01:02:44   better than buying you will get the [TS]

01:02:46   current stuff but if you're not really [TS]

01:02:47   focused on the current stuff and and [TS]

01:02:49   reading spider-man 600 would be just as [TS]

01:02:51   easy as reading spider-man 700 might be [TS]

01:02:54   worth checking out its some still in [TS]

01:02:57   beta I get that I get the distinct [TS]

01:02:58   impression that they have more work to [TS]

01:03:00   do it would really benefit from being [TS]

01:03:02   inside a nap instead of just being in [TS]

01:03:03   the browser and I can't believe they [TS]

01:03:06   aren't going to do that but but it does [TS]

01:03:07   work in the browser so you can't you [TS]

01:03:09   can't view offline then no no it's it's [TS]

01:03:11   a it's definitely like I said it's the [TS]

01:03:13   netflix of comics you basically need to [TS]

01:03:15   be online and you watched in in the [TS]

01:03:18   browser and it but it does work which is [TS]

01:03:20   great because before it was only on a [TS]

01:03:21   computer with flash and I wasn't very [TS]

01:03:25   good and once it's on the ipad it [TS]

01:03:27   changes the game a lot it makes it a [TS]

01:03:29   much more valuable thing so I've got [TS]

01:03:31   some get some old issues of strange [TS]

01:03:33   tales I need to catch up with maybe that [TS]

01:03:35   will be the way I was reading old old [TS]

01:03:37   Marvel events where I I don't have to [TS]

01:03:39   get upset about about their continuity [TS]

01:03:43   decisions or anything like that i can [TS]

01:03:44   just sort of read the miniseries and you [TS]

01:03:47   know i can read house of them and be [TS]

01:03:48   like that was ok that's what that was [TS]

01:03:50   all about and not worry about like what [TS]

01:03:53   does this mean and you know it just let [TS]

01:03:55   it's like it and I can't believe they [TS]

01:03:57   did that it's just I don't [TS]

01:03:58   it happened in the past they reset it [TS]

01:04:00   all anyway it doesn't really matter and [TS]

01:04:01   I can you know I have to do is just wave [TS]

01:04:03   your hands around it's done [TS]

01:04:05   yep that's right I said no mutants [TS]

01:04:08   why are there more mutants I said did [TS]

01:04:10   was I not clear [TS]

01:04:11   no more mutants are you reading those [TS]

01:04:15   old advancing going boy that really did [TS]

01:04:18   change everything [TS]

01:04:19   yeah yeah that happens all the time who [TS]

01:04:21   I can't believe he died wow that really [TS]

01:04:23   did change comics fundamental [TS]

01:04:25   in every way forever it's hilarious to [TS]

01:04:27   read it's becoming more character is [TS]

01:04:29   dying and know that they've already come [TS]

01:04:30   back and died and come back multiple [TS]

01:04:33   times since then but and and been reborn [TS]

01:04:35   as a child and I would love to do a [TS]

01:04:38   comic book club on house of them because [TS]

01:04:40   looking back [TS]

01:04:42   oh gods animals 10 years since that [TS]

01:04:43   thinking about you you have to admire [TS]

01:04:45   that the scope of the ambition and this [TS]

01:04:47   year batting insanity that was it [TS]

01:04:51   many of that of of the twists and turns [TS]

01:04:54   and that I'm and for what is essentially [TS]

01:04:57   an imaginary yes it probably is [TS]

01:05:00   essentially basically like Bobby in the [TS]

01:05:02   shower at dallas i know i told i told i [TS]

01:05:06   told my wife that i was rid of what the [TS]

01:05:07   plot wasn't and she said why why would [TS]

01:05:09   they turn it back was everybody happy I [TS]

01:05:11   said yeah well then why would they [TS]

01:05:13   because it wasn't real she's like but it [TS]

01:05:14   was real they changed it to be real why [TS]

01:05:16   would they know that's the thing that [TS]

01:05:17   kills me is is there's nothing in that [TS]

01:05:19   that's that holds up i mean sure Steve [TS]

01:05:21   Rogers gets hosed but you know demanded [TS]

01:05:24   the hosted marble company we look at it [TS]

01:05:26   but you know everyone else is super [TS]

01:05:29   happy and fulfilled them and I I field [TS]

01:05:32   understand what the caustic to this [TS]

01:05:35   universe is better [TS]

01:05:36   let's keep it and instead it's all know [TS]

01:05:39   you hear you're crazy and imagining [TS]

01:05:41   things through everything has to ruin it [TS]

01:05:43   for everyone again [TS]

01:05:45   well there's this out there there's so [TS]

01:05:46   many different ridiculous plot lines [TS]

01:05:48   they've done like days of future past [TS]

01:05:49   age of apocalypse [TS]

01:05:51   I would be believed to a podcast and age [TS]

01:05:52   of apocalypse just to talk about the [TS]

01:05:54   hair alone and you know where we're [TS]

01:05:57   living in the year of days of future [TS]

01:05:59   past right [TS]

01:06:00   it's set in the year 2013 wow that's [TS]

01:06:02   great and they're making and they're [TS]

01:06:04   making that as as a as a movie here and [TS]

01:06:07   they're merging the the x-men movie [TS]

01:06:09   universes from the patrick stewart era [TS]

01:06:11   and the first class Sarah it's all it's [TS]

01:06:14   all colliding [TS]

01:06:15   oh yeah somehow like the star trek [TS]

01:06:16   universe is do exactly i was sort of [TS]

01:06:19   kind of my gues exactly we good right I [TS]

01:06:25   guess [TS]

01:06:26   well I'm I'm glad that I'm not the only [TS]

01:06:28   one crazy enough to to love all-new [TS]

01:06:30   x-men it's it's been a lot of fun and I [TS]

01:06:33   thought well maybe this will work for [TS]

01:06:35   six issues but i think i think there is [TS]

01:06:37   an enduring [TS]

01:06:38   concept for at least a little while in [TS]

01:06:40   that book I i think it comes down to [TS]

01:06:42   brian michael bendis being you know [TS]

01:06:46   focused on he's here he's focused more [TS]

01:06:49   on the characters and trying to take the [TS]

01:06:52   concept and following it to some [TS]

01:06:53   interesting logical interesting places [TS]

01:06:55   and you know I that is why i love [TS]

01:06:59   ultimate spider-man and it's the same i [TS]

01:07:01   feel like it's the same kind of tricks [TS]

01:07:02   which is he's got these young x-men and [TS]

01:07:04   they've been thrown forward in time and [TS]

01:07:06   what would you do if that was you and [TS]

01:07:08   then you know he's explored all that and [TS]

01:07:10   i think yeah it's still it's still plus [TS]

01:07:14   the stories he writes or so decompressed [TS]

01:07:16   that five issues like one story so he's [TS]

01:07:18   got lots of stories lots of issues left [TS]

01:07:20   in him even if he was like five stories [TS]

01:07:22   to tell that's going to take him two [TS]

01:07:23   more years about worth worth noting and [TS]

01:07:26   plugging and you know this is what [TS]

01:07:27   happens when you bring a guy with comic [TS]

01:07:29   book shows on your show [TS]

01:07:30   it's got a new artist as of this latest [TS]

01:07:32   issue and he's the guests Ongina size 10 [TS]

01:07:34   which will be like weeks and weeks ago [TS]

01:07:36   when this X weeks ago little have been [TS]

01:07:38   weeks ago weeks in the distant past [TS]

01:07:41   yes jump into your time machine built by [TS]

01:07:44   Forge and and jump into the past and [TS]

01:07:47   listen to that episode just insert the [TS]

01:07:49   time machine key [TS]

01:07:50   oh it does not go into the 21st century [TS]

01:07:53   it only works with because its analog [TS]

01:07:56   yeah it's a y2k problem with the [TS]

01:07:58   analogical internal well so this is [TS]

01:08:00   great so we caught up on some comics and [TS]

01:08:02   we talked about locking key which i [TS]

01:08:04   recommend to everyone I think you should [TS]

01:08:06   check it out check it out the trade [TS]

01:08:08   paperbacks are available [TS]

01:08:09   it's really good so I'd like to thank my [TS]

01:08:11   esteemed guests for the comic book club [TS]

01:08:15   jason reitman thank you for being here [TS]

01:08:17   it's good to have you back [TS]

01:08:18   thank you we have all the technology set [TS]

01:08:20   up so we can do this more often i know [TS]

01:08:21   i'm looking forward to it it's gonna be [TS]

01:08:23   good [TS]

01:08:23   Lisa Schmeisser thank you as always for [TS]

01:08:26   being here it was my pleasure as always [TS]

01:08:27   and voice s too jaan you are you are on [TS]

01:08:32   my show for once instead of me being on [TS]

01:08:35   your show thank you for being here but [TS]

01:08:37   thank you for having me and and i look [TS]

01:08:39   forward to [TS]

01:08:40   a talking down off of alleged regarding [TS]

01:08:42   spider-man again sometimes you have well [TS]

01:08:44   we're all a lot of us are out on that [TS]

01:08:46   ledge [TS]

01:08:47   let me talk to the spider-man ledge and [TS]

01:08:49   thanks to everybody out there for [TS]

01:08:50   listening to this edition of the [TS]

01:08:52   chemical club until next time on the [TS]

01:08:53   incomparable this is jason snow [TS]

01:08:55   goodbye [TS]