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00:00:25 ◼   ► uncomfortable on your host Jason Snell [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► and we are here to talk about 26 teens [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► supernatural comedy film I sound like a [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► Wikipedia page the remake of 1984 [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► blockbuster comedy sci-fi spectacular [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► Ghostbusters this one directed by paul [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► feig and starring melissa mccarthy [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► Christian wait Kate McKinnon Leslie [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► Jones i am joined by my own panel of [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► ghostbusters [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► Lisa Schmeisser is here she's the heart [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► of the Ghostbusters hi Lisa happier in [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► your child has everyone [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► Erica and sign is also here i am indeed [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► the liver of the ghostbuster i'm going [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► to stop the medical record it really [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► only just looking for the best [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► someone will be the kidneys I called [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► Holman to sleep in haha no RX and [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► scientists to love potato chips [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► Shannon Sutter hello lofty keys and she [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► knows everything there is to know about [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► New York history because she wrote a [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► book the head of a sudden New York in [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► the past anyway it's wholly wacker hi [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► alright and i will be listening to my [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► sexy phone i guess if I'm just gonna [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► answer the phones but the phones in the [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► aquarium so I don't know how to work i [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► do so is so yeah I mean I think I know [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► where to start here let's start with the [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► cast because one of the great things [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► that the public is done in general in [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► his movies is work with a bunch of very [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► talented people and he keeps working [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► with them again and i have a I love Paul [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► Feig stuff going way back to freaks and [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► geeks which he was deeply involved with [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► and I read his book kick me [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► adventures in adolescence which is so [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► painful and yet so funny and as a [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► director he has a he has found some very [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► funny women and and there's obviously a [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► lot of loyalty there because he works [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► with them and they work with him again [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► and again [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► so this cast is a pretty stellar cast [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► paul feig work with melissa mccarthy in [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► spy which I want to just say really good [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► movie if people haven't seen spy [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► I was shocked at how much I like spy I [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► comment was like yeah it'll be funny and [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► it was great so let's let's start with [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► melissa mccarthy because i think in some [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► ways her role is the is is I don't know [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► it's it's I think it's the most [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► difficult in some ways only because she [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► kind of has to be a problematic and be [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► an opposition to Kate McKinnon and [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► crystal to kick to kristen wiig at the [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► beginning of the movie that came into [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► kristen wiig did everything about [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► Melissa McCarthy to me midmost McCarthy [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► will always be Sookie from the gilmore [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► girls I know right I haven't seen him [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► very much in the interim because she [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► keeps doing comedy stuff and that's just [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► not my scene i don't care if it's women [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► or men starring the goofy comedy is not [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► is not my thing [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► spy kind of entry gotta water hearing [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► haven't hear you say that I am I am now [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► even more interesting i watched by to [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► see that but I i did appreciate seeing [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► her in this because she was there wasn't [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► a single fat joke in the whole movie [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► which is something that I was kind of [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► funny man reading yeah and yeah i mean [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► there was really there were no no jokes [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► based on appearance of a female and ya [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► know female looks policing jokes which [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► is amazing when you think about it [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► yeah and can we talk like look at our [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► two most of my credit can we talk for a [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► moment about how great the jumpsuits are [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► because all right little subcategory [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► jumpsuit because they work because II [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► because they were cut in a way where you [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► know you're flashing cleavage or their [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► skin tight or their practical they are [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► workwear and get well and well if you [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► look at the if you look at how their [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► design they do move the pocket placement [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► on both Jones and McCarthy so that their [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► big cargo pockets on the front of the [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► thighs and not on the hips [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► um so there's some visual streamlining [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► going on but like the point is they're [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► so functional and i was paying a lot of [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► attention to the wardrobe choices [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► through the whole movie and what I [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► really appreciate about it is on Abby [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► Melissa McCarthy's character is allowed [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► to dress like an attractive woman who [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► is good hair which she does and and what [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► I liked about her character through the [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► whole thing is um she was so [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► unapologetic one of the things that I [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► had a hard time with the first 20 [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► minutes of spy and mind you i like the [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► movie but thought i had a hard time of [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► the first 20 minutes because the first [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► 20 minutes are basically set up for her [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► character to kind of go through life [TS]

00:05:08 ◼   ► cringing apologizing for daring to take [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► up as much space she has and accepting [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► other people's looks policing over and [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► making all these jokes better and stuff [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► and it was so so so pleasant to sit in [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► the movie where Melissa McCarthy as a [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► bee is just allowed to go through the [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► movie and be smart and and and pursue [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► knowledge the way that she has a [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► hypothesis by God and she's going to [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► stick to it she's gonna end and she yeah [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► i just loved how how comfortable she was [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► as it as herself through the whole film [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► it was a really interesting contrast the [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► request Christian widespread Aaron [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► because she plays Aaron is a deeply [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► uncomfortable person but like you can [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► relax and addy and as as a character as [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► a performer and it was just so much fun [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► to watch and the only time that she's [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► the butt of the joke is when she's the [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► butt of the joke because she's you know [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► investigating crazy ghost stuff and has [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► yeah you know like it's it's nothing [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► related to to her as a woman it is it is [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► just her character [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► yeah she can't handle the power pack in [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► and you can go telling around the that [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► hasn't made a left but yeah but yeah be [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► any character that's ya if there are two [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► I mean I think Holtzman and yeah we'll [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► get our workout more just I'm going to [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► work up to her [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► Holtzman and abby are the closest [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► analogue two characters in the original [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► movie because because Abby is very much [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► the dan Aykroyd character she is [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► incredibly like over enthusiastic about [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► ghost stuff to the point where everybody [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► else like yeah gross okay whatever and [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► um and there's a lot of the comedy to be [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► gained from that and i enjoyed her her [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► kind of giddy enthusiasm about it I i [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► thought yeah I thought that was I [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► thought it was good the jumpsuits i also [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► want to bring up that the one things [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► always I've always thought about the [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► 1984 Ghostbusters is there and mentioned [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► this in our episode that you can go back [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► and listen to about that about that [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► movie is they really try to code the [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► Ghostbusters is working class [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► like plumbers more than they are like [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► that like committing very quickly try to [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► get you to forget the bees these people [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► have PhDs right it's like very quickly [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► it's like no no they're wearing [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► jumpsuits their plumbers except it's [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► like ghosts plumbing and I liked that [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► they are they are similarly here wearing [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► work clothes that this is not they're [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► not superheroes wearing superhero [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► costumes they're plumbers wearing [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► plumber outfits basically they're [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► janitors essentially I felt like she was [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► the linchpin sort of the cast she'd was [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► probably in the end like if there is [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► going to be like a straight man in the [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► movie at all they all took turns but she [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► was it she had some really funny moments [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► and good deliveries a great don't mean [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► to her [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► all our deliveries from phenomenal but [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► but she was there just sort of if she [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► was a more subtle part of the movie that [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► i was expecting at all after seeing [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► bridesmaid and and spy it was she was [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► just there to be her and that was that [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► was it she did a wonderfully grounding [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► she wasn't very County grounding [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► presence if that makes sense [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► yes yeah it was neat trick to because [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► Kristen Wiig is is she comes into it is [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► this as the the straight man right [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► kristen wiig is the oh I don't believe [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► in all your stupid ghost stuff you [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► please take my book off the internet [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► right and very rapidly though they flip [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► it around where she's like enthusiastic [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► like we saw a ghost and it becomes it [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► becomes though the problem [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► melissa mccarthy of a b2b to be more [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► like all right I'm a professional here [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► you people are all great see we are [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► scientists you know for me I had no [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► experience whatsoever with melissa [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► mccarthy other than knowing she was [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► Molly and mike & molly which i didn't [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► watch similarly I was not familiar with [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► like really any of the cast other than [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► this is this movie was my introduction [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► for to just about everybody arm and for [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► me Melissa McCarthy as you said quite [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► often was like the sort of the straight [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► man of the group I mean you know yes [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► there were times when she was hilarious [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► and she could be very funny in the movie [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► but there was just as often other [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► characters were playing off her [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► and as we said it's shifted who was [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► being funny who was being the straight [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► man and I loved that I loved that you [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► know it enhanced the feeling of teamwork [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► that we got from this group much more [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► quickly than I think in the original [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► although that part of that is the fact [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► that the original made the mistake of [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► not bringing any Hudson until three [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► quarters of the way through [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► I would almost say since Melissa [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► McCarthy is the most kind of bankable [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► star of this group that this is also [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► sort of generosity of like they like [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► they don't need to push Melissa McCarthy [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► here she can be generous [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► she can throw you know throw humor to [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► her co-stars because she's she's gonna [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► be fine right like she she's gonna be [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► fine she can be that she can afford to [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► be generous and and and they can afford [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► to let her not have all of the all of [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► the big last year not like she doesn't [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► have any but sheshe it seems a little [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► relaxed to me she didn't have to be she [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► doesn't dominate this which you could [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► you could look at the cast and say well [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► she's going to dominate it because she's [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► the one who has the most the biggest box [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► off box-office track record of this [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► group where Kristen Wiig Kristen Wiig [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► gets the gets to get to have the first [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► part of the movie she sort of our [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► viewpoint character into this world we [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► see her Columbia University Charles [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► dance is very stern scary Charles [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► dancing game of thrones and other things [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► princeton is not an acceptable [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► university very good joke and and it's a [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► distant tough job because she's got she [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► you know she comes around but at the [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► beginning she's trying to be kind of no [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► fun and skeptical and all of that which [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► i think i think is interesting she's [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► also the farthest away in some ways from [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► her analog from the original [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► Ghostbusters movie and i think i think a [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► really clever creative decision to make [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► her not a fraud in a way that Venkman in [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► the original is he's a fraud he knows [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► it's a fraud even though it turns out [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► that ghosts are real [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► he doesn't care he's just using it to [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► have fun and meet girls ladies like that [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► exactly right and and hear Christmas [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► like she's very serious she's and she's [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► gone from metaphysics on to physics and [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► she wants to get tenure and then [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► everything kind of comes out from under [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► her and I think that's like a much [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► better a much better starting place for [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► that for that [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► character to start out as legitimate and [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► that puts her in opposition to everybody [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► else when she when she finally has that [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► moment when she finds out the ghosts are [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► real [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► she's the only character who has any [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► sort of arc but it was an arc that i [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► really appreciated of just you know [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► having being the the woman in the [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► Mansfield and meeting you know we [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► meeting tenure and needing to be [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► validated and like you said like having [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► it all sort of ripped out from under her [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► and having to end sir going back to this [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► world that she seems to fit in much [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► better than the world that we saw her in [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► the very beginning of the movie and [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► actually learning to sort of live that [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► life again and it was it was subtle it [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► was like a subtle sort of character [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► transformation there were no giant [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► catharsis moments for her character [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► which was fantastic and it worked it [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► worked to sort of propel that little [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► emotional part of the movie forward the [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► whole movies about friendship cuz when [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► she starts when Aaron starts the movie [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► she is as you point out a woman in a [TS]

00:12:40 ◼   ► male-dominated field and she's so lonely [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► like everything about that character [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► just screams isolation and loneliness [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► and awkward and trying really hard [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► because she's not being authentic to who [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► she really is like if you watch how her [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► clothes change over the course of the [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► movie to theirs by the time she's really [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► settled into the whole idea that yeah [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► we're doing this Ghostbusters think [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► she's back in a sweatshirt and jeans and [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► she's super happy and so he well it's a [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► huge contrast it but the whole movie you [TS]

00:13:07 ◼   ► take a look at it and what is the thing [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► that saves everybody at the end it's a [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► Swiss Army knife that Holtzman had given [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► to Aaron and said every woman needs to [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► be armed and wholesome did that as a [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► gesture of friendship and aaron in [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► return save his life with it and does it [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► will call back but by the end of the [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► movie like these four women have all [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► solidified their relationships you know [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► Patti has sort of tied them into New [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► York as a whole when you think about it [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► but you know Aaron and Abby heat men to [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► their rift and they now share custody of [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► Holtzman but it's it's it's about you [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► know Aaron becomes a much happier and [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► more walk around in person not because [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► she goes from physics and metaphysics [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► but because she goes from being lonely [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► being with her people and I really [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► enjoyed that where the movie is a [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► celebration of that too [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► like where else could it be so [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► negatively illustrated but when Patti [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► literally slaps a ghost out of Abby [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► screaming get my friend the power of [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► atty compels you [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► yeah and i love that they let Aaron you [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► know even as she finds her tribe again [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► and settles in chic they let her [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► continue to be awkward at times I mean [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► just the hurts her crush over Kevin you [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► know did she just never might get over [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► that he's so cute [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► well let's be fair cavities pretty well [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► yeah he totally oblivious to it and [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► Holtzman just think that's all great fun [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► but it doesn't take away from her [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► moments where you know the academic [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► comes forward and she's thinking and she [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► puts puts together conclusions and its [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► balance and it is kind of getting back [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► to this sort of the mirror image of of [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► Peter Venkman because I mean it's you [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► know if this movie as as done like this [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► was gender swapped it would be really [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► gross and ski have the way that that she [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► would be treating her her assistant and [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► i'm i'm a big fan of flipping that [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► around and because the power dynamic is [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► so different yes it is funny and it [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► works for me although i'd honestly for [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► me it was a little a little too much I [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► think I I struggled a bit with the first [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► cut the first 20 minutes or so of the [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► movie and I think I think the parts [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► where i continue to struggle later on [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► we're mostly around errands character [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► because it seems like the jokes that [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► were trying too hard and didn't land [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► right for me almost always were related [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► to her and maybe it's just because [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► awkward humor doesn't particularly float [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► my boat [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► yeah but more because it just don't know [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► the the trying too hard thing just [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► didn't quite seeing along with the rest [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► of it [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► that's interesting I had a problem with [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► the pacing in this movie I felt like I [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► could like if if I had like the movie [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► equivalent of a red pen I could go [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► through and like delete five seconds out [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► of every scene and just pull it together [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► and it could be a good 15-20 minutes [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► shorter without really losing any [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► content and I wonder how much I have to [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► go back and see and I wonder how much of [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► that would be around her character that [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► maybe she's just operating at a slightly [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► slower pace just communicate or whatever [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► from the rest of the movie and that's [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► sort of dragging a little this is a [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► problem with modern comedies in general [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► because because I've noticed this we [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► want to see this is the end which is I [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► can't wait for all girl remake of that [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► one by the way when I went to see that [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► because you've got a bunch of people who [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► do a lot of improv there are some really [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► laggy bits in that movie which is odd [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► because it's about the end of the world [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► and that was that [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► I think that the the the comedy trend [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► towards all we you know give the actors [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► a general idea and let them riff like [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► you do get some good material but I [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► think sometimes you just get a lot of [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► stuff that goes on for a beat or five [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► longer than it should and I guess we're [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► supposed to find part of that funny too [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► or just like a but you know I really [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► don't care about the process behind the [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► camera I'd I don't care like I'm not [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► render you're like well Chris Hemsworth [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► like totally snowballs inflamed he [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► couldn't ad lib or or improv but he did [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► his whole interview and profit and I was [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► like well I'm glad it worked [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► I don't need to know how it works I [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► don't care to know if I want to know [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► i'll read the IMDb trivia page two years [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► and this is on HBO [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► oh yeah I I care about a tight final [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► product that sings ok it's not like how [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► Jason it often enough and points out [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► when a writer in a book that likes to [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► show their work [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► I didn't want to research your folks oh [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► yeah and this is this is kind of like [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► the visual equivalent of that we did so [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► much add living you guys we gotta show [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► it to you [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► no no you're not you down you look at [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► the original movie the look why did the [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► original movies exceed the way it did [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► well I had some amazing actors but Ivan [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► Reitman that man [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► it would build a movie and it's I mean I [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► haven't seen it in a number of years but [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► what I remember of it it's just the [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► pacing is just now arriving you forward [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► from you two seem through the movie and [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► in this one it was like there were it [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► was like moving from bit too bit and [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► just with some dead space in between and [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► it just felt a little more casual then I [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► wanted it to [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► for what it's worth spy is like that too [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► and i say this is somebody who really [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► did enjoy spy and has watched it a [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► couple times on HBO spy is like that to [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► where there are parts of that that just [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► go on or there are some excessively long [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► you know transitions you're like really [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► really this is what we I have to wait [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► through this to get to the good stuff [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► again let me take a break to tell you [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► about one of our sponsors it's concert [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► against humanity brought to you by cards [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► against humanity [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► it's happening friday August fifth in [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► indianapolis that's where gencon is [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► going on the country's largest gaming [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► event but you don't have to be a [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► Gymkhana 10d general public is also [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► welcome at concert against humanity [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► it's a night of comedy and music [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► featuring live performances from eugene [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► mirman apartment on cheriya jonathan [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► coulton Molly Lewis pollen storm and [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► many more surprise guests from the [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► Chicago comedy scene [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► rumor has it the Dan Morgan and David [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► lower might even show up for that you [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► might want to ask them about that in [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► case you're going to gencon or live in [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► Indianapolis [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► anyway here's what you need to do go to [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► concert against humanity calm and get [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► your tickets now and then what you do is [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► you go to the theater in indianapolis on [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► Friday August fifth and you laugh and [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► you listen to great music at concert [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► against humanity [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► thanks to concert against humanity and [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► cards against humanity for sponsoring [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► this episode I felt like the original [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► Ghostbusters was very much it was a a [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► comedy of that time know about ghosts [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► and stuff and I feel like this movie is [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► to this this felt like it was modern [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► comedy with yellow the good things and [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► all the not-so-good things that tend to [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► go along with it that the pacing in the [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► the improv stuff being part of that [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► there's a whole recorded sound of [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► ghosts those parts or whatever that I'm [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► like hey I get what you're trying to do [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► here but at some point in somebody might [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► go [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► yeah that's not really working we're [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► gonna just take that I don't know we're [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► gonna put it all in there and as a [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► result of the 21st 20 minutes especially [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► I mean we would Erica mention it I feel [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► like there's something wrong like it [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► just it just doesn't doesn't move and it [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► doesn't it doesn't [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► Dennis there's a moment where the movie [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► catches fire but it is like 20-25 [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► minutes in and it's weird it does that [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► because it starts off with such a kick [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► like Zach woods gives that movie like a [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► lonely little round opening some of the [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► best lines are in the first three [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► minutes of that movie is he an Irish [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► gates and there's this really strong and [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► be getting us like oh this is it was [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► like oh this is not disappointing [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► because kids and then like eight legs [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► for spider while and you're like okay [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► okay and then it does pick up again but [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► eat there it's it's it's a little [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► sagging spots [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► um yeah sure i think those early spots [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► felt to me like I have no problem with [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► seven and seven and live actors being in [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► in any movie really but in this movie [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► especially considering the original [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► exactly but I do have a huge problem [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► with when the movie starts to feel like [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► a Saturday Night Live sketch and they're [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► definitely parts in the early section [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► like the farting joke in particular that [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► was that was one where it's just like oh [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► no that was my complete my so so coming [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► home from this and learn and I actually [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► watched the original Ghostbusters when [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► we got home from watching this and we [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► and we enjoyed this movie and but she [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► said she she agree with me about the [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► about the first 20 minutes and she said [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► here i'll give you two examples she says [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► the the Princeton is not an acceptable [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► reference that's a good joke and said [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► the ghost farting that is not a good [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► kind of yeah it's like there's that [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► sound like that wasn't good stuff in the [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► first 20 minutes just like it [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► it was almost like you're watching the [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► process of them trying to figure out [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► what jokes worked or not accept them [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► they didn't edit and like the red pen as [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► well as we said earlier then they're [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► like ok these don't work and so it's [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► almost like we don't know and and [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► honestly it's weird what's weird about [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► is 25 minutes and it feels like the the [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► percentage of things that land goes up [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► to a very high percentage but but you [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► have to get through that first part to [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► get there it's weird one [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► if it's in part because because after [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► that you sort of have the whole band [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► together and ya heart of it as everyone [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► gets together it works better [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► there's a logical leaps in the original [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► Ghostbusters that we noticed when we [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► watched it after we watch this where [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► it's very like you could stop slow down [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► and be like what [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► boy things happen like Ernie Hudson [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► appears very rapidly they get their [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► business setup incredibly rapidly and [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► and to go back to the ivan reitman thing [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► and also harold ramis coming in and [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► working on the screenplay that damn [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► Ackroyd's original was apparently in [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► comprehensible not surprising really [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► um that uh I could see that right where [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► it's just like we don't we just skip it [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► and the audience will go with it we [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► don't need to get into detail here and [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► and then there was more time [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► some of it i like i like the idea that [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► we're almost seeing the this whole movie [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► happens almost between the first like [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► few scenes of the original Ghostbusters [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► because it is about how do they become [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► the Ghostbusters but it's kind of too [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► much of it i think yeah I could tell i [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► got to see it twice at this point the [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► first time ship and I went on opening [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► night and then last night we took our [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► son are 14 year old and I could tell arm [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► just sort of by its sensing how much he [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► was squirming in the seat next to me [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► when he was engaged and when he was [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► getting bored and the biggest chunk of [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► kind of you know shifting around heavy [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► sighs that could sort of thing for the [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► most part was in that that first 15-20 [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► minutes as we're getting things together [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► now imagining him you like using him as [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► a guinea pig and you're sitting there [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► next to him taking notes like and then [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► making time marks about when he squirms [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► there's like a little stopwatch for she [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► clicks on every time a very harold ramis [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► like turn the dial to the right if [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► you're having a good time so i turn the [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► dial [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► no no just like a little like a little [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► ticker where every time he pitches you [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► know another ticket ok let's talk about [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► let's talk about Kate McKinnon because [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► everybody loves Kate McKinnon and she's [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► she's the whole grains analog here she [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► is the enthusiastic scientists who does [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► not have their place never this bonkers [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► but no you know it's true it's true [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► butBut it well though he did that were [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► there was that time you tried to drill a [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► hole in his head but they stopped him [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► but yeah this is uh this is it is the [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► breakout character for sure she does [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► you know she does a fantastic job why [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► don't you all tell me about your your [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► feelings about to get just one that [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► we're just going to hold my god that [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► feels the sol-gel in her case it's not [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► just lines and how she delivers them how [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► she goes through the technobabble like [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► you know Big Bang bob and weave got a [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► Faraday cage and all that she does that [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► very well but just she's anytime she's [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► on screen you know she's there [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► her face her her body her posture her [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► her physicality is just drawing and you [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► know she's stealing scenes without even [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► saying a word [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► it's amazing the posse when I went to [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► see it with likely exit the theater and [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► everyone just kind of side for a while [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► inside and then my friend says chris [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► hemsworth the second sexiest thing in [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► the Hobby out here here yeah and and you [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► that you could like you could feel your [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► kinsey scale recalibration talked about [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► it briefly on the on the last very [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► podcast and my co-host a bath like as i [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► was just going on in gushing she's like [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► yeah she's like it did you hear that [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► trombone noise as you slid down [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► Mackenzie schools good [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► they're gonna be like 10 years from now [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► you're gonna have podcast by by people [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► who are like and that is that I realized [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► something about myself [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► what spot stickers but it's it's it's [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► such a smart and nuanced performance [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► when you look at it too because she's [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► got everything from the expressions and [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► she plays off of everybody so [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► beautifully like the scene where they're [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► interviewing Kevin Holtzman doesn't even [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► say a word she just um except for like [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► being so radio times we've been doing in [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► your life that [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► like after that she just lets everybody [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► else go and she looks back and forth [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► like she's a tennis match and I like [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► that she is not sucking up all the [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► attention on the screen with look at me [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► look at me but she drags you into the [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► scene because she's just so present and [TS]

00:26:37 ◼   ► engaged that you finish eat pulled into [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► her level which I loved that generosity [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► again I think everybody had had that [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► sort of same level of the generosity so [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► everybody got a chance to shine but I [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► think I think you guys are right that [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► when she was on screen she did draw my [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► eye and yeah I was it was sort of hard [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► to look away because i think in part [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► because she is the kind of character [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► that I don't know that I've ever seen a [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► woman playing on Sri before and it's [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► such a delightful kind of character to [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► just be she's being who she is she's not [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► trying to please anybody she is [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► enthusiastic and excited about stuff [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► about the guts of the machinery and and [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► everybody's cool with that it's not only [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► that she is this kind of character who's [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► excited about it is that she's [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► surrounded by people who just let her be [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► that kind of person and and go with it [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► oh you performance reminds me actually [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► is French and Saunders haha up because [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► I'm Tommy I'm a huge fan of both on [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► French and jennifer saunders and one of [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► the reasons i was i I was that I fell [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► head over heels in love with your brand [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► of comedy in the nineties was precisely [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► because they have that huge level of [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► engagement and that complete lack of [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► self-consciousness and the commitment to [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► the material where they respect the [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► material that they can see how absurd it [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► is and so when my kid was playing [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► holtzman there's just this level of like [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► the dial goes up to 11 on on it and [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► she's you can tell she respects the [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► character she's not playing holtzman as [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► a joke which is which is great i felt [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► sometimes the camera almost didn't know [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► what to do with her that it was they [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► obviously that the direction had been ok [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► you guys just sort of each other and [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► celebrate and you know Holtzman you do a [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► horseman thing but because she was sort [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► of over to the side or she was you know [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► not in that the center of the frame it [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► was like like like someone said as she [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► drew my eye but then [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► didn't know where to look and that was [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► like the only drawback to her character [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► was at times it was like she's so [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► magnetic I can't look anywhere else and [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► the Cameron wants me to look somewhere [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► else there was there was one there was [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► one holds a moment that i did not like [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► because once again it felt like you know [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► it didn't even feel like saturday night [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► live' moment it felt like a commercial [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► during Saturday I've moment and that was [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► the central rabbit yes yes [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► yeah i was i was still ripped out of the [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► movie at that point that it was such a [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► deadline [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► yeah that worked for me i was i was [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► fascinated by the commitment with that [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► with the potential for the face and I'm [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► like and I'm like later you look back [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► when that when that when the evil ghost [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► is slamming area and you see Holtzman [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► watching and she's literally surrounded [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► by a semicircle of broken potato chips [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► and I was like that that is some [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► commitment to this to the product [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► placement yeah yeah and it's not even [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► the product it just it felt like a line [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► she would say even though we had not [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► seen much of her character yet it just [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► it it sounded exactly like something to [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► me that that that Holtzman would say in [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► that moment maybe maybe the problem was [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► simply because it came so early because [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► i really had not gotten a feel for her [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► character at that point and it just [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► seemed just but felt like you know I a [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► clanking sort of a sound instead of a [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► nice ringing but if it would have come [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► later in the film i would I wonder if I [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► would have been much more okay with it [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► and maybe not in a scene with that much [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► sort of manufactured tension no human [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► hanging in that situation would I just [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► was like who is this place and that is e [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► that is talking to a potato chip during [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► the middle of those since cartoony yeah [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► in the first scene where you meet her in [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► Abby's lab it seems pretty obvious to me [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► that Holtzman was kind of was kind of [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► hazing Aaron because you lose this who [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► is this person's interrupting our two [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► min fiefdom yeah and threatening my [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► connection with another person right [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► it's like bubble but it's just the two [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► of us no it's gonna be three [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► yeah and so so I'm wondering like how [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► much of her whack-job behavior was I get [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► to try out my new toys and how much for [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► a whack-job behavior is there somebody [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► here who's upsetting might might might [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► my dynamic you know in bearing in mind [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► this is a completely fictitious [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► character and [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► but but you know i'm not saying she was [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► calculated about it but you know she's [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► thrown off balance maybe her her [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► responses to throw other people [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► off-balance because she certainly didn't [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► respond this way to Patti joining the [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► team it was but but she seemed to have a [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► little bit of thing with aaron going on [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► yeah I will you know what whatever [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► comedy needs the Lisa it means an agent [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► of chaos that's gonna be on my tombstone [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► one of the things that I I I think about [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► Holtzman is when we talk about the [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► analogues to the the previous movie is [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► she gets all of the groucho energy the [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► roving agent of chaos energy that's in [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► Venkman in the original that is not in [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► in in a in Aaron here it's in Holtzman [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► so she becomes this like roving agent of [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► chaos [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► she's the groucho she's doing wacky [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► stuff while everybody else is a little [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► more grounded and that allows her the [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► freedom to be wacky because there are [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► more ground people around her and and i [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► think it works great i mean she's the [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► break out of this movie [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► there she like she is the best thing in [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► this movie I think by far have you guys [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► seen the alien abduction sequence on SNL [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► yes it was that it was the week that [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► Ryan Gosling was was the guest host and [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► there is owned a sketch that's done [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► where kate mckinnon Cecily strong and [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► ryan gosling play three people who have [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► been bodily kidnapped by a spaceship and [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► are asked to describe the experience and [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► oh you know while I was watching that [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► sketch the whole time it was going on I [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► kept thinking the only reason this works [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► as well as it does because it's a great [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► piece and and like Kate McKinnon just is [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► phenomenal on it but the point is she's [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► phenomenal precise because she's got [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► Cecily strong to play off of and strong [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► is doing her best to try to play it to [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► try to keep it grounded and leveled and [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► you know here you have the same thing [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► where you just had both that where you [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► had Melissa McCarthy's yes this is what [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► I am dealing with is a physicist was [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► quite possibly demented let's just all [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► keep on killing Aaron shut your mouth [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► when kevin is doing push-ups this [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► episode of the incomparable is brought [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► to you by the zombies run virtual race [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► we all know that running is a great way [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► to get fit but it all [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► so can be incredibly boring i'm i i'm [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► crying out for diversion and distraction [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► and entertainment when i'm running and [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► this is a virtual race that makes [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► running truly fun wherever you are in [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► the world you head out to run a five or [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► 10 k with your headphones and as you run [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► the app will immerse you in a thrilling [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► audio story that's especially designed [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► to match the distance you're running [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► zombies will be coming close on your [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► heels and you'll need to run you'll be [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► breaking into a vault that is vital to [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► the survival of humanity will be ways [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► for you to run further and faster than [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► you ever thought you could because [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► you'll be motivated by the entertaining [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► story that's going on in your ears [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► you're not just running around the park [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► with the zombies run virtual race you [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► are running to save the world [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► your entry gets you a thrilling audio [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► adventure series it takes you from the [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► start of your training right through to [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► the end of the race [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► you'll also get a prospect technical [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► running tu finishers medal and a whole [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► bunch of other great gear and it costs [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► only $55 which is way cheaper and more [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► fun than a gym membership enter the [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► zombies run virtual race today at [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► zombies virtual race dot-com and use [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► coupon code incomparable to get five [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► dollars off your entry thanks to zombies [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► run the virtual race for sponsoring the [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► uncomfortable [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► ok so let's let's talk about Leslie [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► Jones is patty is so good [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► she's great good but is such mixed [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► feelings and the feelings about this [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► because yet soon as they announced that [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► that that the the black character was [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► not going to be a scientist was going to [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► be the am NOT a scientist which [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► apparently in the original Ghostbusters [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► he would have the black character was [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► originally supposed to be a scientist [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► and then they couldn't get any Murphy so [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► they changed it Ernie Hudson apart [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► seeing an earlier draft of the script [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► right and he's all later draft and they [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► dripped out huge chunks of of his [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► background [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► how did he not set the studio and fired [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► well yeah he's had a problematic [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► relationship with the work i think since [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► then where is recognized for it means [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► happy about it but at the same time he [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► knows that it's not what he signed up [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► for [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► yeah yeah so when they announce this I [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► was I was I was kind of upset and and [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► not pleased but then I saw the movie and [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► and I still agree that it is it is not [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► cool that we have the one black [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► character being the one who is [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► you know that sort of down-home folksy [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► friendly friendly kind of person but on [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► the other hand she was amazing she [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► played it really really well she tight i [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► mean she you know you might say Melissa [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► McCarthy is the heart of the [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► Ghostbusters i don't think so i think it [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► was i think was passed I think I think [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► she's the one that pulled everybody [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► together and really made the team [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► actually work because she believed in a [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► min away they didn't believe in [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► themselves that makes them it's so much [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► a better part then pour Ernie Hudson is [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► winston zeddemore in the original so [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► much better by far and and she has much [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► more to do she's a much more [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► well-realized character her introduction [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► scene is one of my favorite scenes in [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► the movie where she's just working the [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► job at the subway and the end and the [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► bad guy walks by and says don't worry [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► when the world ends you'll be the last [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► to die and it is what the hell was that [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► that was and then it's always the bad [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► guy [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► oh right and and her reaction is an [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► internet comin to shoot unless you get [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► them all together [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► she's funny and it but there is that [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► other issue which is it's the black [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► character who's not as well educated as [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► they are and she's but she's streetwise [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► didn't strike me that she was less [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► educated than the other others yes HD [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► right you know there's no need to show [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► that she's in any way dumb or stupid she [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► just knows different stuff right but [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► that's still less educated i agree if we [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► didn't have the trope of the the the [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► black character in the group of white [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► characters is the one who's streetwise [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► but we do have that that that that's [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► always the rules streetwise and yes she [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► is but then she's also she's reads she [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► knows history she knows New York she [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► knows all these places and for God's [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► sake she's the one who figures out what [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► to do with the car to call or tex all [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► the details all the details are done [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► yeah even the parameters it's the sketch [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► the bare-bones outline of it that's [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► that's probably not right but yeah all [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► the fleshing out is good and she [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► benefits from it she is she is not just [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► what I thought she might be from the [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► trailer which is which is the streetwise [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► subway person she knows history and in [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► detail right and the whole history of [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► New York she does solve things to save [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► the world [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► told me there's so much that's great [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► about her it's just when you abstract [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► that you're like you know it does come [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► from a place that is kind of an [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► unfortunate a bit of scaffolding but [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► they get yeah it feels like after they [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► made that decision then they made lots [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► of great decisions to to make this apart [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► that Leslie Jones could really dive into [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► and she did the real problem is the fact [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► that there aren't other and there aren't [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► a ton of other roles for black women [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► getting to do a whole bunch of other [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► things if we had a whole basket full [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► movies coming out every year where you [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► had a black woman as a PhD in a black [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► woman as a scuba diver and a black woman [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► as you know anything else you can think [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► of [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► then this wouldn't stand out as being [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► such a big deal but because there's such [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► a address of good roles or roles at all [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► for women of color the the few rules [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► that come out there really do kind of [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► need to stand for four more than they [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► should have to end it is sad and it [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► sucks but that's that's the way it is [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► and in a movie that was that was billed [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► and obviously built to up end as these [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► tropes and turn them on their heads [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► it did seem like a pointed a mission [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► that she would incident not pointed but [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► not like they're trying to send a [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► message or anything i should have said [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► that but but more like okay then why [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► didn't you guys do this because it's so [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► obvious why didn't you turn this one on [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► its head to ya or even within the movie [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► like you know why couldn't the character [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► that Cecily strong plate i couldn't have [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► been a black actress you know being [TS]

00:38:49 ◼   ► being the PR person for the mayor [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► you know that that's the one that's [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► another thing I thought in the second [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► time around you know [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► yes we've got this wonderful gender [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► swapping and gender flipping and playing [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► with those roles but there's only two [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► black characters in the movie this is [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► New York City surely there's more ethnic [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► diversity in European that has [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► represented by one angry chinese store [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► delivery and the common yeah i totally [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► by the exact words would work at an [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► historic mansion because that's [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► precisely the type of job that trust [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► fund brats get back there's you know [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► there's a whole lot of there were a [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► whole lot of other opportunities at [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► everything at every point and they did [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► do I think a passable job because they [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► cashed them [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► I'm like it's omar i'm trying to get [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► porn actors me oh yeah michael kenneth [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► williams yeah we just get over it so far [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► as one of the as one of the FBI stupid [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► FBI agents along with matt walsh right [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► Chris Hemsworth should we talk about [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► chris is cat heads with Kevin for [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► himself [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► we talked about chris hemsworth that yes [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► I should have just pointed out to will [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► when you ever be able to watch another [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► Marvel movie and we'll just like no with [TS]

00:40:00 ◼   ► 43 it's coming Chris Hemsworth has [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► handsome man syndrome where he's really [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► really funny but no one's going to [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► realize it because he's so handsome like [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► John had had that problem for well [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► doesn't seem to have any more he's [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► finally overcome with intense therapy [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► and making here I thought he could have [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► been funnier to be honest like I thought [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► that people's reactions to him we're [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► very funny i like that by the end of the [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► movie they've basically acknowledge the [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► just paying him to to be to to be to [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► breathe and be attractive and he'd [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► almost figured out the father well [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► that's how is one of the things that I [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► find very funny is that he gets he gets [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► better as the movie goes along he's [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► never anything but terrible but again he [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► gets better he can answer the phone [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► although he doesn't know what to do he [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► says that the one point he says they [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► have a goat which also yeah it's [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► probably probably not ago probably a [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► ghost but yeah I will say that bit with [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► the glasses was hysterical weeping [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► scratches I think Alaska and I although [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► i wish they had just left it i wish he [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► done that and they had the reaction look [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► at but then not the question you laughed [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► out loud before they talked about it [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► yeah it could have been just so subtle [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► that he would do that and there would be [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► that way did that just happen and then [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► they will go on [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► yeah yeah I felt like I i love the idea [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► that they are appending the the pretty [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► bubbleheads secretary stereotype but for [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► me it was just most of it was too much i [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► wish that there would have been I don't [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► know maybe a quarter of the amount of [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► Kevin stuff in there or just you know [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► more of the same sort of in the [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► background but let's focus on him and [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► his interview thing and his pictures [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► like in hindsight I can laugh about it [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► because i have talked to other people [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► about it so I somehow that sort of [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► softens it but in the movie theater i [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► was kinda like screaming in my seat [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► being like really [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► really yeah and i think its balance [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► because you also have like in the latter [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► part of the movie when he gets possessed [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► by Rolen and then Hemsworth does a [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► rather damn good job of you know doing [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► your kc ya so he did that I mean he's [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► always had good comic instincts because [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► there are actually several moments and [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► thor where even my husband who's finicky [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► about both comedy and and load super [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► superhero movies like my husband [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► actually laughed out loud at the same [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► time I was and when I was watching [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► avengers age of ultron like his casual [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► pasty like his casual delivery of some [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► lines in his haste in his hasty amending [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► of others is obviously supposed to be [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► you know he's got good time he's got [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► good instincts and i love the dance [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► sequence because you can't not have the [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► winner of Australia's dance with the [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► stars in your life without making him do [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► a dance number like it i only used him [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► that they made him to have this is so [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► great [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► thank you i agree i I am very very glad [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► that we got to see the dance number in [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► the credits but i am even more glad that [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► they did not get in ya see you provide [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► like that I like that we don't get a [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► whole lot of him I to be honest one of [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► the things I like about it is i like how [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► the bulk of the road movie focuses on [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► the challenges that go to the women the [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► relationships they have with each other [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► the way they look at the world and kevin [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► is just like this [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► Cavendish's thereto to burnish their [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► motivation or give them someone to talk [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► to or whatever and I'm like this is what [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► it's like being the girl in every other [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► movie this is so fun to watch [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► bigflip do any pots have nearly the same [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► amount of screen time that he did I [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► remember her as being in maybe three or [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► four see shoes actually she's not very [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► many strange yeah she's in ghostbusters [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► too much more serious that's true and [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► she gets it she gets a nice we should [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► talk [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► there are there are a lot of cameos in [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► this movie she gets she gets interesting [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► we are at a hotel receptionist desk [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► being exactly who she was in [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► ghostbusters which I thought was a good [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► fit [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► dan Aykroyd is a shifty cabbie who says [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► I ain't afraid of no ghosts which I [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► thought was actually a good use of of [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► dan Aykroyd in that scene [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► Bill Murray gets to extend my reach [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► literally thought bill murray was going [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► to be like a passerby it's like I walk [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► through your movie but that's a pretty [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► good to extended scenes as the guy who [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► does not believe in ghosts and is [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► ejected out a window think gets killed [TS]

00:44:10 ◼   ► by one who loves ya i have mixed [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► feelings about those cameos like I get [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► the peep [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► I don't personally I get that other [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► people have really strong nostalgic [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► attachment to these movies and [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► passionately enjoy the University room [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► and have a big relationship with the [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► cock cartoons or whatever and so it's oh [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► you can see the best of harold ramis [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► only get to see all of our old friends [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► and in bit parts and it's not and I'm [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► just like hit it's it's it's felt some [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► of those interactions little she warned [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► in or they wouldn't have been nearly so [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► good if you're like oh look it's annie [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► potts you know doing things the phones [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► haha so I'm just like well it's it's [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► it's nice that they were there [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► my my favorite one was actually when [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► Ernie Hudson and Leslie Jones E string [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► of the hearses the end of a session next [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► up for the whole movie right there you [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► have it for the whole movie and I didn't [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► see it I didn't stop to think about it [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► and so when he shows up on my god of [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► course are set so it is so that was so [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► great i thought that was good i think i [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► think the problem is when they overstay [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► their welcome if they're fast and [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► they're out of there it's okay like [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► accurate thing was a little bit long [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► bill murray's thing was very long but at [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► least he got to be kind of against type [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► and then is horribly killed which he had [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► famously said about doing a Ghostbuster [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► sequel that he would only come back and [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► do it if you got killed in it and so [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► they can so they killed him i would so [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► so about this so Ghostbusters the [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► original I've seen it like 50 60 times [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► it is one of my favorite movies of all [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► time even though I is very flawed I know [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► I'm see enough times you notice all the [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► flaws let me tell you about it but like [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► I will say this and and of course [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► there's the whole controversy about [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► people saying oh this is terrible [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► they're remaking this wonderful movie [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► well guess what every single movie that [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► ever made any money will be remade at [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► least once probably more times than that [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► I can you can tell as somebody who's [TS]

00:45:53 ◼   ► seen the original 50 60 70 times you can [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► see that the people who made this movie [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► not only know that movie they love that [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► movie and they know it by heart because [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► there are such obscure references not [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► only these cameos but they're like [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► really weird obscure reference [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► says throughout to the original now we [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► could argue maybe it's too much maybe [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► you should pretend like that movie [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► didn't happen and just make your movie [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► instead of being I mean that this is [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► like the argument about about watchmen [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► being faithful to the comic it's about [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► star trek into darkness being too much [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► trying to make Star Trek to there'll be [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► lots of different versions of this [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► argument and I I think there's something [TS]

00:46:35 ◼   ► to those arguments but what I will say [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► is as somebody who loved that movie I [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► felt the love that this movie had for [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► that movie they're making their own [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► movie it's kind of not as remake easy as [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► I thought it was going to be the Stay [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► Puft Marshmallow Man is a ghost balloon [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► not the big bad guy [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► it's not it's not quite as as you know [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► they they weren't just remaking it with [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► the with the women instead of men in the [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► part but I can feel the love for the [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► original do these people get it they [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► know everything that was in that movie [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► and they reference it throughout so but [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► you know I think arguable whether that [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► actually makes this a better movie or [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► not but it's certainly sent the message [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► to me that these are people who know [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► everything there is to know about [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► Ghostbusters when they made this movie [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► it might not make it a better movie but [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► i think it makes it more lovable movie [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► because it was for me it's I mean seeing [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► the love that they have made me feel it [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► and I think most of the cameos they did [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► a decent job of having a reason for it [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► like yeah bill murray's was the longest [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► but i also think that his character kind [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► of needed to be in the movie whether it [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► was Bill Murray playing it or something [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► completely different they had to have a [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► skeptic to kind of push again he's [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► almost william atherton part in the [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► schoolroom the second half of that cami [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► aware he's actually in the office with [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► them was the only seen or I felt actual [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► tension and didn't know what the [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► characters were about to do the it was [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► it felt in some ways to me like almost [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► like the heart of errands character was [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► in that scene that this is he he's the [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► gatekeeper he's the one she has to feel [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► like she has to prove herself to and so [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► there's that question are we going to [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► release the ghost and prove them or are [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► we going to keep the ghosts because we [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► spent so darn much time like right after [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► this thing and capturing it whatever [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► and it just felt like you know we've [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► seen the first half of of errands like [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► struggled to be validated by the mail [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► expert in the University and this was [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► the second half and it's that feeling of [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► like do I want them to acknowledge me or [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► or am I asking for a pat on the head and [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► you know is that just the wrong move and [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► I was I wanted her to feel like she was [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► above it but I really wanted that goes [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► to pop out of there and prove him wrong [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► and then I killed him you have attention [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► attention is not just are they going to [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► open or not which is really interesting [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► because they have different opinions and [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► they don't you know that they get right [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► but then the tension also when they open [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► it's like it looks like is there gonna [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► be a ghost remember that moment is [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► pretty was like hello little guy low and [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► the boom he's dead [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► ok working we don't see him dead but [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► he's he's very badly and the window has [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► been defenestrated yeah exactly right [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► you hate that I hate when that happens I [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► want to ask about the plot you know we [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► we've covered a lot of it obviously what [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► happens here is we have a rowan who is [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► our who is our bad guy who who is Neil [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► Casey he he tells patty for have [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► helpfully that she's going to be among [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► the last to die as a service worker [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► thanks dude he is he's got this is a [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► place where i actually like this plot [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► better than what they did in the [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► original Ghostbusters because i think [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► it's a very clever modification they [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► have an enemy in ghostbusters [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► the enemy is the supernatural enemy uh [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► of gozer who is it was basically like a [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► guy built a building in the twenties and [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► then 60 years later finally it worked [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► and in this movie [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► somebody is causing everything to happen [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► this guy is trying to bring about the [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► apocalypse he has a plan [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► he's trying to open the door from you [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► know to the other dimension and I think [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► that's a really good choice that that [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► they there is a subtle moment well it's [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► not super subtle but like there's a [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► glowing like one of his devices in the [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► mansion at the beginning and we don't [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► like nobody goes oh look there's a [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► device down there it's sort of like nine [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► or pushes in a little bit and then you [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► just kind of move on but it you think [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► back to it later you're like oh he was [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► there too [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► and that's the end and I I like that [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► about this that they have it they have a [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► true enemy and and it's this guy i don't [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► i don't know if i love the fact that the [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► guy ends up being the towering creature [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► destroying the city at the end rather [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► than a scary malevolent you know God [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► from another dimension but i do like [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► that it happens for a reason [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► instead of it just sort of happening [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► like weather which is what happens in [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► original yeah i'm glad that it happened [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► for a reason that they did have somebody [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► trying to bring this about like you said [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► rather than just spontaneous boogeymen [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► from the original ghostbusters [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► um I was almost not sold on the arm you [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► know nerdy picked on by getting revenge [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► on the entire world thing until we hit [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► one moment they're confronting him in [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► the hotel and he's complaining about how [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► he's been bullied and beaten all his [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► life and abby is just like yeah that [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► happens to us too and you know the [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► unspoken and you know we didn't go crazy [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► yeah whereas i could absolutely by this [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► guy as as the villain ya can get outside [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► sense of entitlement yeah his complete [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► inability to take any responsibility for [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► how people react to him and how he moves [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► through the world his completely skewed [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► sense of priorities his false sense of [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► Education it was just if you had been if [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► you had gone to somebody and said make [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► me a movie where read it is the villain [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► like like this is what they would have [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► come up with they could not have made [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► this guy I'm you know I suppose there's [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► a criticism to be made with all you [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► could have tried to make it you know [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► gives a little sympathy former have [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► understand his motivations but you know [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► I kinda like the idea that moves like no [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► you don't have to sympathize with them [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► you are under no obligation to [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► understand this guy the fact of the [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► matter is that by the time you interact [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► with them use a total tool box and you [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► and you just want me in your life it [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► doesn't there's no origin story that [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► makes him more sympathetic and there's [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► no good reason for what he does he's [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► just he's insulting city and jerk and [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► yes he did that moment is actually kind [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► of breathtaking when he does the villain [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► speech thing and he's like they never [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► listen to me and they didn't take me [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► seriously and and they look down on me [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► and all that and then the Ghostbusters [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► looking more like you know that's pretty [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► much what happens to us all the time [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► right yeah I just [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► that's what makes that's what makes them [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► so that's actually that is what made up [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► for cuz i'm i'm actually on the other [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► side of the fence hear from you Jason I [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► i really missed the sort of ancient evil [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► coming to take over and maybe just [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► because i read i read so much fantasy i [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► like the ancient evil i just miss that [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► there was not in the original [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► co-sponsors kind of no catalyst for it [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► and i wanted i love that I like that [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► there's no cattle it feels more cult [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► that way it's like the thing that has [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► been sleeping potion doors open for you [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► now I guess it's time for her to wake up [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► already know maybe because I play so [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► much D&D just there you know reading [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► Lovecraft about the idea of sort of an [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► ancient evil that doesn't particularly [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► have a face at least not the one that [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► you can see to me is much more [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► interesting as a villain in whittier [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► somebody roll a 1 and the building which [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► up it's just when can i angered the [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► building [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► have you tried sweeping sidewalks it [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► likes that if you're gonna give them the [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► villain of face and actually you know [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► have it be a character i could not have [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► chosen any better than this because yes [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► the idea of you know just the the [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► stereotypical angry nerd on the internet [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► being that you know he's like a walking [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► youtube comment and it's bad guys so [TS]

00:54:19 ◼   ► gathers you can't go wrong with that so [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► i did i did enjoy and that seemed that [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► you guys mentioned was also like a [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► jaw-dropper for me because I was like [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► wow way to lay it out for us film left [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► about that what else I loved is that in [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► this movie the women don't do a whole [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► lot of emotional labor for them in their [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► lives like there aren't any scenes where [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► they spend their time fretting or [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► worrying about some dude state of mind [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► they don't spend a whole lot of time [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► trying to make some trying to eat some [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► guys and security by mouthing platitudes [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► or or like no no its you really [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► misunderstood and we're here to help you [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► like like they take care of each other [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► as friends but like nobody is there to [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► make Kevin feel good about his life [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► choices nobody [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► is there to make this villain feel good [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► about his life choices they don't even [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► want to make the mayor feel good about [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► anything he's doing and is it is so nice [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► like okay is so nice to watch a movie [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► like that where after watching say [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► Captain America 3 where everyone was [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► like no no Tony Stark don't do that or [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► no no captain america don't do that [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► these are my friends too or after [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► watching like the Avengers where it's [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► but I don't know man what do you think [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► the problem is and like it's just so [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► nice to have these people who are like I [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► like I like science thing up i like [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► being right about stuff I like hanging [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► with my friends I like papa john's pizza [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► because the script makes me and we're [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► gonna do this thing [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► there's a moment where Abby's character [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► explicitly calls role in a bully [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► she shouted out the window Adam as he's [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► like riding away with with some Kevin's [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► body and it felt very deliberate and I [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► appreciated the heck out of it that and [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► again like another while you lay it out [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► for the movie just laying it out there [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► because we see him getting bullied and [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► by other people and he is still himself [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► a bully and it's a direct pointing the [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► finger at every internet jerk who is [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► using his own tortured history as as an [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► excuse and that was I was gonna wave a [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► flag that was what I was like four mhm i [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► want to talk about the the government [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► part of this story which again in the [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► original they go see the mayor the here [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► we get first of andy garcia is the mayor [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► which is just a wacky part and Cecily [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► strong [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► Cecily Strong's is a is a PR person [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► basically you know it does not unclench [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► your jaw and not even a little bit of [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► here SIA has one of the other wacky [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► lines in the movie which is I'm not the [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► jaws mayor don't say I'm a bear and [TS]

00:56:46 ◼   ► they're meeting their fetters a deep cut [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► that is bizarre but i want to ask about [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► the FBI stuff because this is actually [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► one of the problems with the plot of [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► this movie is I feel like there's that [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► moment where the basically the [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► government calls on the supernatural [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► people like that Fox Mulder had been [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► waiting his whole life for this moment [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► and he never got it is which is like yes [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► there is a conspiracy but we've got it [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► so just go back we're going [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► and the funny part is we're going to [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► pretend that you're incompetent but now [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► it's totally real and and that is funny [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► but I never really bought this part of [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► the story because I felt like I wanted [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► the government to either say we're [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► covering it up but we know nothing and [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► have them be like outrage like we can [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► help you with this or to have it be like [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► the government is on it and they've got [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► their own people on it [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► I really honestly all I really wanted [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► was a scene where they said we got our [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► we've got our top men working on and [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► maybe who and they taught yeah man I [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► realized that's referencing another one [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► of my favorite movies but still that [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► moment of like oh no the government's [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► got this and the ghost buster will be [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► like no no we're the experts so who do [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► you have [TS]

00:57:52 ◼   ► and instead it was like they didn't want [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► to talk about it like they didn't want [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► to say the government new other than [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► that look at it or that the government [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► wasn't completely incompetent and just [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► want to cover it up and hope it went [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► away I felt like they were in this weird [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► middle ground and I felt like I get why [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► they did it for the plot and the movie [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► and maybe some of the jokes but I really [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► it didn't sit well with me like the FBI [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► agents are like the FBI agents and [TS]

00:58:15 ◼   ► diehard they're completely useless and I [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► don't know I just I just wanted [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► something different I felt like there [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► must have been some other spin they [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► could put on on like what the government [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► knows to make the Ghostbusters more [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► incensed or see more capable like that [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► the government doesn't even want to [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► listen to them and instead it was like [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► no no we've got it under control [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► blank space yeah like you said it [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► doesn't fit because they they don't go [TS]

00:58:40 ◼   ► for one or the other up to me it just [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► felt like this one huge metaphor of um [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► you know women's efforts being undercut [TS]

00:58:48 ◼   ► again you know like if a woman does [TS]

00:58:50 ◼   ► something and there's a man around you [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► can take credit for it he might yeah [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► yeah that's sort of that it's not like [TS]

00:58:56 ◼   ► that i just wanted a better explanation [TS]