The Incomparable

121: Ice Mary Poppins


00:00:03   the incomparable number 121 december [TS]

00:00:08   twenty well we're back on the [TS]

00:00:11   incomparable podcast I'm Jason smell and [TS]

00:00:13   we're here in what we like to call flash [TS]

00:00:16   podcast which means i don't edit it we [TS]

00:00:18   just posted after we talked for a little [TS]

00:00:20   bit and we're doing that because it's [TS]

00:00:22   Christmas and by tradition we're here [TS]

00:00:24   after watching the now traditional [TS]

00:00:27   doctor who christmas special joining me [TS]

00:00:29   to do a brief rundown on our thoughts [TS]

00:00:32   about Christmas with the doctor 2012 [TS]

00:00:34   edition the snowmen is the name of the [TS]

00:00:37   episode joining me are Dan Morgan hi Dan [TS]

00:00:40   Merry Christmas god bless us everyone [TS]

00:00:44   and serenity Caldwell merry christmas [TS]

00:00:48   day since there's no where you are [TS]

00:00:49   there's lots of now there's going to be [TS]

00:00:52   more snow [TS]

00:00:53   hopefully no scary snow eating monster [TS]

00:00:56   veteran hopefully we'll we'll get this [TS]

00:00:59   all recorded before you're inundated by [TS]

00:01:00   snow but that's very festive [TS]

00:01:04   and Scott McNulty is also here he's [TS]

00:01:05   coming to us live from his home [TS]

00:01:09   yes yes yeah how's it going Scott is [TS]

00:01:15   going well Merry Christmas Merry to all [TS]

00:01:18   and to all a good night [TS]

00:01:19   but that's not the end not quite but not [TS]

00:01:22   quite yet so the snowmen what did what [TS]

00:01:27   did everybody think I thought this was [TS]

00:01:28   interesting in that it was it was seems [TS]

00:01:31   it seems to be trying to do something [TS]

00:01:33   very different we had I think that since [TS]

00:01:35   maybe the first christmas special with [TS]

00:01:37   david tennant where would the the the [TS]

00:01:39   Christmas invasion where they had to [TS]

00:01:40   introduce a new doctor since then we've [TS]

00:01:43   had a lot of Christmas specials i guess [TS]

00:01:45   and the one where david tennant ends up [TS]

00:01:47   ultimately regenerating all the others [TS]

00:01:49   generally have just been kind of telling [TS]

00:01:51   a christmas story and that didn't this [TS]

00:01:53   felt like the whole point of this [TS]

00:01:55   episode was to kick off this sort of new [TS]

00:01:57   storyline and new era with the with a [TS]

00:01:59   new companion so it felt really [TS]

00:02:01   different from most of the Christmas [TS]

00:02:02   specials that they've done up to now [TS]

00:02:05   yes yeah there's a lot of stuff too I [TS]

00:02:07   thought that was a good thing without [TS]

00:02:09   but without what I liked was that they [TS]

00:02:10   introduced a lot of new stuff without [TS]

00:02:11   breaking too much I mean with references [TS]

00:02:15   to stuff that had already gone by so it [TS]

00:02:17   was not you know doctor who can never be [TS]

00:02:19   in a vacuum he's got so much history so [TS]

00:02:21   after the last season which seems like [TS]

00:02:24   it's always silly when you have a show [TS]

00:02:25   and it feels like oh really moment these [TS]

00:02:27   things happen and very soon we forget [TS]

00:02:29   about those moments those things because [TS]

00:02:30   that is the nature of how television [TS]

00:02:32   works whereas you know in this show it [TS]

00:02:34   was you know predicated on the fact that [TS]

00:02:36   terrible things that happened and so we [TS]

00:02:39   don't simply white wash them or sweep [TS]

00:02:41   them under the rug [TS]

00:02:42   you know we acknowledge them yeah it's a [TS]

00:02:44   it's a it's a new era and uh and uh [TS]

00:02:48   interesting he said something about more [TS]

00:02:50   than a thousand years of saving the [TS]

00:02:52   universe which usually he he doesn't [TS]

00:02:55   pick his age at four digits so the [TS]

00:02:58   impression that you get is that he's [TS]

00:03:00   been kinda hoping for a while and Madame [TS]

00:03:02   vastra and Strax and Jenny have been [TS]

00:03:04   complaining that he doesn't you know [TS]

00:03:06   want to engage in in the world and do [TS]

00:03:08   what we know him to do because he sad [TS]

00:03:10   because what happened with Amy and I [TS]

00:03:12   guess Rory but Amy right so uh so so [TS]

00:03:16   they have to like get him to snap out of [TS]

00:03:18   it then we already established him as [TS]

00:03:19   over a thousand years old when he does [TS]

00:03:20   the thing in utah yeah fakes his death [TS]

00:03:24   I guess they certainly won't i'm like [TS]

00:03:26   yeah I guess that's why I I can't even I [TS]

00:03:28   can't even get through one more time [TS]

00:03:30   travel [TS]

00:03:31   yeah it's it's hard but uh but anyway [TS]

00:03:34   he's been moping them for a long time [TS]

00:03:35   when we meet him and they're trying to [TS]

00:03:37   get them to snap out of it and he has [TS]

00:03:38   actually you know before the credits [TS]

00:03:40   even start he has his traditional meat [TS]

00:03:42   cute with a new companion and the [TS]

00:03:44   episode you know tries to basically have [TS]

00:03:47   the doctor push her away so so trying to [TS]

00:03:49   go against our expectation knowing that [TS]

00:03:51   this is the new companion and Steven [TS]

00:03:54   Moffat keeps doing that with this [TS]

00:03:55   character which is you know that's what [TS]

00:03:56   he tends to do is try to try to go [TS]

00:03:59   against against audience expectations a [TS]

00:04:01   little bit and so that was kind of fun [TS]

00:04:02   to see him just insisted that he wasn't [TS]

00:04:05   going to get drawn into this this little [TS]

00:04:07   dance that's it's almost like a [TS]

00:04:09   courtship that he's done so many times [TS]

00:04:11   before and he's just not going to do it [TS]

00:04:13   but of course inevitably does show and [TS]

00:04:15   it's moreover like a courtship than any [TS]

00:04:17   previous companion to date I [TS]

00:04:18   I think I mean he's definitely much more [TS]

00:04:20   forward with a with our new Clara that [TS]

00:04:23   he is with even with Amy its I mean they [TS]

00:04:28   they get to share Christmas kiss which [TS]

00:04:30   is impressive and she really does she [TS]

00:04:34   matches him with it for what for what [TS]

00:04:36   joke for joke without feeling like a [TS]

00:04:39   copy of Amy she has are a very distinct [TS]

00:04:42   personality the new companion which i'm [TS]

00:04:45   rather delighted about a hand I think [TS]

00:04:49   it's hilarious her introduction is great [TS]

00:04:51   because she's already very he's very [TS]

00:04:53   inquisitive and very curious and I love [TS]

00:04:55   the moment where the doctors like oh no [TS]

00:04:58   no you're you're not going to follow me [TS]

00:05:00   well ok if you're going to follow me [TS]

00:05:02   well then I'm going to have to go and [TS]

00:05:05   wipe your memory and comedy of errors in [TS]

00:05:08   serious memory worm [TS]

00:05:10   oh man i did enjoy I did enjoy Strax I [TS]

00:05:13   thought he was an excellent addition to [TS]

00:05:14   this episode when they killed him and [TS]

00:05:16   and so to see him back it's like wait a [TS]

00:05:18   second didn't he die and then yeah well [TS]

00:05:20   she brought it back she does that [TS]

00:05:21   sometimes [TS]

00:05:22   yeah but aren't they also isn't aren't [TS]

00:05:24   they all clones to the sometimes or yeah [TS]

00:05:27   but i think this is the implication is [TS]

00:05:28   that this is just the same Strax and the [TS]

00:05:30   bat ambassador didn't wanna didn't want [TS]

00:05:32   to have them stay dead so she found a [TS]

00:05:34   way to revive him but he was hilarious [TS]

00:05:37   i'm right i mean I is this episode was [TS]

00:05:39   much funnier than then I expected given [TS]

00:05:41   the the promos which were all like it's [TS]

00:05:43   scary their killer snowman but now it [TS]

00:05:45   was funny and it and you know and light [TS]

00:05:48   and meeting a new companion and stuff [TS]

00:05:50   like that [TS]

00:05:51   I mean there's only one sold so many [TS]

00:05:53   eating each other only one [TS]

00:05:55   well not to mention you know there was I [TS]

00:05:56   guess depending how you look at it at [TS]

00:05:58   least once ads well that's getting ahead [TS]

00:06:02   of ourselves but I was going to say I [TS]

00:06:04   think after after the you know second [TS]

00:06:06   half of the most recent season which I [TS]

00:06:08   think we all kind of pan for the most [TS]

00:06:11   part yeah he's also pointing this seemed [TS]

00:06:14   much more like kind of what I you know [TS]

00:06:16   what I love from Steven Moffat right and [TS]

00:06:19   what I love about Doctor Who you know [TS]

00:06:21   this is the sea much to hit the tone a [TS]

00:06:22   lot better i think they had built up so [TS]

00:06:24   much heaviness and so much import with [TS]

00:06:27   all of the events of the amy and rory [TS]

00:06:30   seasons there was just sort of course [TS]

00:06:32   collapsing under its own weight whereas [TS]

00:06:33   the ability to start fresh with a [TS]

00:06:36   especially with sort of a a hero [TS]

00:06:39   archetype the reluctant hero archetype [TS]

00:06:41   you know I think it plays very well and [TS]

00:06:44   I think it works really well and I felt [TS]

00:06:45   like you know maybe all the other [TS]

00:06:46   seasons were just kind of building to [TS]

00:06:47   this point it seems like more fucking [TS]

00:06:49   well you know it reminds me a lot of the [TS]

00:06:52   end of the david tennant years in the [TS]

00:06:53   beginning of the mat smith years where [TS]

00:06:55   you had you know David Tennant's last [TS]

00:06:57   couple of big things were these awful [TS]

00:07:00   awful but like very heart-rending very [TS]

00:07:03   serious big things are happening [TS]

00:07:05   miniseries is and then when they brought [TS]

00:07:07   in one Moffat brought the series back to [TS]

00:07:09   Steven Moffat was like alright the [TS]

00:07:11   doctor he can be fun again he can wear [TS]

00:07:14   bow ties and bowties are cool and I felt [TS]

00:07:16   like a reset without necessarily [TS]

00:07:18   resetting any of the last couple years [TS]

00:07:20   get that whole pond story arc being out [TS]

00:07:23   of the way it was right it way down that [TS]

00:07:26   way the whole story down to the old [TS]

00:07:28   serious things are coming and we we you [TS]

00:07:30   know when we and we talked about that I [TS]

00:07:32   overall I think I enjoy the special but [TS]

00:07:36   it did for some reason just I couldn't [TS]

00:07:39   hold my attention I kept drifting away [TS]

00:07:42   from it and looking at other things when [TS]

00:07:44   usually the Christmas special [TS]

00:07:47   oh and most episodes of Doctor Who [TS]

00:07:49   really keep my attention I don't know [TS]

00:07:51   what it was [TS]

00:07:52   perhaps because i found the snow [TS]

00:07:55   monsters mostly ridiculous and I was [TS]

00:07:59   puzzled as to why the new companion was [TS]

00:08:03   so intent on following doc the doctor [TS]

00:08:05   when they met the first time it didn't [TS]

00:08:08   make much sense to me [TS]

00:08:09   arias at eight yeah or there's a story [TS]

00:08:13   yeah well that and then so at the end [TS]

00:08:14   you kind of made sense so that you can [TS]

00:08:17   say that you know maybe the the [TS]

00:08:18   universe's is keeps making them come in [TS]

00:08:21   contact again and again so that you can [TS]

00:08:23   explain way that with typical Doctor Who [TS]

00:08:26   waving of hands I suppose [TS]

00:08:27   ah but i didn't know that until the end [TS]

00:08:29   so I was just kind of hide until the end [TS]

00:08:31   and I thought the end brought it [TS]

00:08:33   together nicely so that was good but I [TS]

00:08:36   thought there are a lot of really nice [TS]

00:08:38   scenes including i really enjoyed the [TS]

00:08:40   the one-word answer scene with Natalie [TS]

00:08:44   astra which was where [TS]

00:08:46   and yeah be and especially be one what's [TS]

00:08:49   the one word that is going to convince [TS]

00:08:50   him to come to come help you pawned palm [TS]

00:08:54   we were watching that with with some [TS]

00:08:58   friends and having them slowly work over [TS]

00:09:01   there in their heads like what what's [TS]

00:09:02   working what's so we're going to be [TS]

00:09:04   children Christmas pond [TS]

00:09:06   yeah that was a nice scene i really [TS]

00:09:10   liked the scene with the umbrella where [TS]

00:09:12   she has to suss out what the plan is [TS]

00:09:14   and a little bit of my little the role [TS]

00:09:18   reversal leading up to that with the [TS]

00:09:20   whole now I do the hand grabbing that's [TS]

00:09:22   my job that's always my job [TS]

00:09:24   yeah I'm and we get the subtle reveal [TS]

00:09:26   that Clara is perhaps not just Clara [TS]

00:09:29   with you know doesn't have a kitchen [TS]

00:09:31   well I kind of fancy making soufflés [TS]

00:09:33   yes and of course salt [TS]

00:09:36   yeah we should mention on the flash cast [TS]

00:09:39   that the actress who plays Clara is also [TS]

00:09:41   the actress who plays cosmic Oswald in a [TS]

00:09:45   sort of phenolics yes first episode back [TS]

00:09:49   of the second half of the season maybe [TS]

00:09:51   the best episode of that group but it's [TS]

00:09:54   not that but yeah she did and and and [TS]

00:09:56   now she's back and i think you said that [TS]

00:09:58   they had a subtle thing they did have a [TS]

00:10:00   subtle thing and then later they have [TS]

00:10:01   the not subtle thing you see the subtle [TS]

00:10:03   thing which was a little itís for kids [TS]

00:10:05   and people don't remember what happened [TS]

00:10:07   six months ago but really was like flat [TS]

00:10:10   wait I remember from before [TS]

00:10:12   flashback clip from episode this is like [TS]

00:10:15   that [TS]

00:10:15   repeat her dialogue repeater dialogue [TS]

00:10:18   again repeat her dialogue repeater [TS]

00:10:19   dialogue again [TS]

00:10:21   got it check did what do you say you [TS]

00:10:25   weren't listening were you saying she [TS]

00:10:26   might be the same person as when she was [TS]

00:10:28   in the show a few weeks ago [TS]

00:10:29   no that's impossible they keep showing [TS]

00:10:31   the tombstone I guess u GI assume Jason [TS]

00:10:35   caught the joke on the tombstone yeah [TS]

00:10:37   her birthday is the date that doctor who [TS]

00:10:39   first aired I'm not the year but the [TS]

00:10:41   date it's november what 23rd so yeah [TS]

00:10:44   yep I did not catch that although when i [TS]

00:10:46   was reading and the AV club's review of [TS]

00:10:49   the the snowmen episode did anybody else [TS]

00:10:53   catch the fact that I be great [TS]

00:10:56   intelligence is a second doctor [TS]

00:10:59   villain so so this is essentially a [TS]

00:11:02   prequel to the Yeti episodes of the [TS]

00:11:03   Patrick Troughton area and that that's [TS]

00:11:05   something that if you don't know what [TS]

00:11:06   it's just sort of lays there but it be [TS]

00:11:09   extra fan services him saying well it [TS]

00:11:11   seems into the ground and you told about [TS]

00:11:12   the London Underground being a good [TS]

00:11:14   place and they need to find and that [TS]

00:11:16   they're basically setting up then this [TS]

00:11:18   great intelligence does come back in [TS]

00:11:20   those second doctor episodes from the [TS]

00:11:22   late sixties also the great intelligence [TS]

00:11:26   voiced by ian mckellen interesting ball [TS]

00:11:29   isn't that nice and also an eyesore [TS]

00:11:31   magneto yeah Richard grant as the [TS]

00:11:34   villain [TS]

00:11:35   yeah Richard ground who i believe did he [TS]

00:11:38   not play doctor version of the doctor [TS]

00:11:40   yes Richard grant was the BBC website [TS]

00:11:43   apparently decided at some point the [TS]

00:11:45   doctor who in about 2,000 for the doctor [TS]

00:11:48   who was never gonna come back so they [TS]

00:11:49   cast Richard grant is the doctor and [TS]

00:11:51   what was going to be a series of [TS]

00:11:52   web-like flash animation audio plays of [TS]

00:11:56   Doctor Who and then they they posted one [TS]

00:11:58   and and somebody tapped somebody on the [TS]

00:12:00   shoulder and said actually we craft cast [TS]

00:12:03   christopher eccleston and it's coming [TS]

00:12:04   back like crap so he basically the [TS]

00:12:07   alternate 9th doctor that never was [TS]

00:12:09   he also appeared in Doctor Who in the [TS]

00:12:11   curse of fatal that the spoof yes as a [TS]

00:12:13   drunk on New Jersey apparently according [TS]

00:12:15   to Wikipedia as the quite handsome [TS]

00:12:18   doctor [TS]

00:12:20   notnot you grant that's a neutral with [TS]

00:12:23   people but not Jim Broadbent he was [TS]

00:12:25   overall doctors in there and crucified [TS]

00:12:27   at well I i'm a fan of Richard grant [TS]

00:12:30   since he appeared in one of my favorite [TS]

00:12:32   awful movies Hudson Hawk oh please you [TS]

00:12:35   place a villain and Hudson Hawk and [TS]

00:12:37   another villainous turn here of course [TS]

00:12:38   is much much older [TS]

00:12:40   yes yes but that happens and i did like [TS]

00:12:44   when he his character meets Madame [TS]

00:12:46   vastra whatever name is and so he eludes [TS]

00:12:50   the fact that sherlock holmes is based [TS]

00:12:52   on her and he says you know people would [TS]

00:12:55   be shocked to find out that sherlock [TS]

00:12:56   holmes is based on and then of course [TS]

00:12:58   you know she's a lizard alien so you [TS]

00:13:01   think he's going to say alien but in [TS]

00:13:02   fact he says woman and i found that [TS]

00:13:04   quite a hundred Victorian values and [TS]

00:13:07   then an illusion towards her [TS]

00:13:08   relationship with her with her assistant [TS]

00:13:12   tell she is married married that's an [TS]

00:13:15   illusion don't think I scandalous about [TS]

00:13:16   that that was a funny line the what is [TS]

00:13:19   wrong with Victorian values little but [TS]

00:13:24   was a lot of smart funny stuff fun to [TS]

00:13:27   have it be set in the past but with a [TS]

00:13:28   crazy syfy gang I had that feel the show [TS]

00:13:33   just do it that often but but with the [TS]

00:13:36   doctor and Clara and abstracts and [TS]

00:13:38   Madame vastra and Jenny that you have [TS]

00:13:40   this you know it's this ensemble it's [TS]

00:13:42   the gang and it's the Victorian Doctor [TS]

00:13:45   Who gang and they saw the crimes and I i [TS]

00:13:48   love that I mean I whenever there's I [TS]

00:13:50   mean obviously I think Steven Moffat [TS]

00:13:52   loved it because he got this group [TS]

00:13:53   together for a good man goes to war and [TS]

00:13:55   said that was great let's do that again [TS]

00:13:57   we kill streaks will bring him back just [TS]

00:13:59   come on and you know it was just a lot [TS]

00:14:02   of not only funny but it's fun to see [TS]

00:14:03   that oddball collection of characters [TS]

00:14:06   and placing them in the past like that [TS]

00:14:08   where there's no you know understanding [TS]

00:14:10   of aliens and things like that hilarious [TS]

00:14:13   i thought that was a really really funny [TS]

00:14:15   thing for them to do [TS]

00:14:16   why shouldn't the doctor travel alone [TS]

00:14:18   because it's much more fun to watch him [TS]

00:14:20   interact with other people [TS]

00:14:21   true i think that the the Victorian gang [TS]

00:14:24   should get their own spin-off series [TS]

00:14:26   I wonder actually about that I i'm james [TS]

00:14:29   got hers it's not terribly out of the [TS]

00:14:32   ordinary [TS]

00:14:33   yeah oh if we should talk about sherlock [TS]

00:14:35   holmes the doctor the doctor sherlock [TS]

00:14:38   holmes an episode written by the [TS]

00:14:39   executive producer of Sherlock except [TS]

00:14:41   that Sherlock Holmes is a fictional [TS]

00:14:42   detective in this world but he does his [TS]

00:14:45   you know you have a do you have a dog [TS]

00:14:49   named Colin no I thought not who I love [TS]

00:14:54   his incredibly out we just leave that [TS]

00:14:56   with some fish [TS]

00:14:57   ok fine the fish that did not bark oh [TS]

00:15:01   god I i just i love how outrageous he is [TS]

00:15:05   at the top of that was like use i'm [TS]

00:15:06   going to portray this fictional [TS]

00:15:08   character in your world as bombastic Lee [TS]

00:15:10   as possible and then when i get down to [TS]

00:15:12   the deductions that I'm actually good [TS]

00:15:14   about you know I'm going to be right on [TS]

00:15:16   the money all the time [TS]

00:15:17   interesting um performance by matt smith [TS]

00:15:19   I mean he is trying to show that he that [TS]

00:15:21   he's progressed the doctor has [TS]

00:15:23   progressed [TS]

00:15:24   little bit and he's familiar but at the [TS]

00:15:25   same time I'm going to change his [TS]

00:15:26   wardrobe and he's a little more [TS]

00:15:28   reluctant and you know it was it was it [TS]

00:15:30   was nice to see him again after not [TS]

00:15:32   seeing him for a little while since the [TS]

00:15:33   last episode and but i did get the sense [TS]

00:15:36   that they totally it was it was [TS]

00:15:38   different no wardrobe helps a lot and [TS]

00:15:40   he's got that hat and he's got this coat [TS]

00:15:42   and you know the doctor seems to change [TS]

00:15:45   clothes so infrequently he's lived a [TS]

00:15:47   thousand years and he's had about 12 [TS]

00:15:49   outfits right so yeah but I thought that [TS]

00:15:52   the significance of that was that you [TS]

00:15:54   know he had had assimilated to a certain [TS]

00:15:55   extent you have been there a long time [TS]

00:15:57   so he had he lost his particular garb [TS]

00:16:00   instead sort of blended in which he [TS]

00:16:03   doesn't do very well living on his cloud [TS]

00:16:06   oh my gosh I inspiral castle on a cloud [TS]

00:16:09   yeah we do have to i think we do have to [TS]

00:16:11   give a shout-out to I think what was the [TS]

00:16:13   in my opinion perhaps the best line of [TS]

00:16:15   the episode which was Clara one first [TS]

00:16:17   confronted with that artists and walks [TS]

00:16:19   around it [TS]

00:16:20   it's snowing outside smaller on the [TS]

00:16:22   outside and they're heard that once or [TS]

00:16:24   twice yeah yeah well then the the TARDIS [TS]

00:16:29   has a new interior design [TS]

00:16:31   oh yeah jack white like it's very rare [TS]

00:16:34   very reminiscent of the law of the older [TS]

00:16:36   doctors [TS]

00:16:36   yeah reminds me of the of the white that [TS]

00:16:38   you know the white console room from the [TS]

00:16:40   from the eighties especially but you [TS]

00:16:43   know you just predate that new opening [TS]

00:16:45   credit sequence that reminded me of some [TS]

00:16:47   of the other doctors seeking Jesse [TS]

00:16:50   translucent doctor who faces back [TS]

00:16:52   yeah you know although it was kind of [TS]

00:16:54   you know it's it's it's more subtle [TS]

00:16:56   because he's like his faces in the [TS]

00:16:58   nebula basically we've learned a lot [TS]

00:17:01   about special effects in last 30 years [TS]

00:17:03   and astronomy but i but yes it's a it [TS]

00:17:07   was a there's definitely some callbacks [TS]

00:17:09   I get the feeling that we are just about [TS]

00:17:11   to plunge into a year of massive Doctor [TS]

00:17:15   Who nostalgia just because it is the [TS]

00:17:17   50th anniversary year and so and you [TS]

00:17:20   know the people running the show are [TS]

00:17:21   well aware of the show's history and so [TS]

00:17:23   I think you know you're going to see [TS]

00:17:25   things like the like the great [TS]

00:17:26   intelligence and and references to the [TS]

00:17:30   second doctor and and things like the [TS]

00:17:33   title sequence being [TS]

00:17:35   much more like the old style title [TS]

00:17:36   sequences right down to the the doctors [TS]

00:17:39   face appearing in it i think i have to [TS]

00:17:40   say you know usually Clara I i really am [TS]

00:17:43   impressed that they managed to find it [TS]

00:17:45   and actress who i think has as much [TS]

00:17:46   chemistry with matt smith as as I [TS]

00:17:51   already forgot my name [TS]

00:17:52   that's awful any pond where ya goin yeah [TS]

00:17:56   Karen Gillan has except very and yet [TS]

00:17:58   it's like me different yeah sure there's [TS]

00:18:01   much shorter yes for one thing and was [TS]

00:18:04   red hair but I you know the fact that [TS]

00:18:07   the the they do have a very different [TS]

00:18:09   relationship is totally feels very [TS]

00:18:11   different from his relationship with a [TS]

00:18:13   museum a bit more sarcastic a bit more [TS]

00:18:15   cynical whereas I think Clara has a [TS]

00:18:18   little bit more almost like wide almost [TS]

00:18:20   naivete and I think it's but it's they [TS]

00:18:23   still have an excellent excellence you [TS]

00:18:26   know [TS]

00:18:26   reportate going on there well it was [TS]

00:18:29   spectrum of Steven Moffat women [TS]

00:18:31   character she's more on the river song [TS]

00:18:32   and I think in a sense that you know Amy [TS]

00:18:35   you know you it was the childhood friend [TS]

00:18:38   of Amy but whereas with Clara I don't [TS]

00:18:40   know she just seems to be in a really [TS]

00:18:43   snarky and and smart and competent and I [TS]

00:18:46   don't know it's a very different kind of [TS]

00:18:47   feel than the Amy relationship you're [TS]

00:18:49   absolutely right about that but I felt [TS]

00:18:51   that in an asylum of the daleks to that [TS]

00:18:53   she's got this [TS]

00:18:53   she's got lots of comebacks and she's [TS]

00:18:55   really she's you know she's quick with a [TS]

00:18:57   with a rejoinder and doesn't take [TS]

00:18:59   seriously our key right like that amy [TS]

00:19:02   was always a snarky and she's more [TS]

00:19:04   earnest but almost more she's trying out [TS]

00:19:07   don't think the doctors you ma'am [TS]

00:19:08   yeah exactly yeah I I like I mean amy [TS]

00:19:12   was always running away whereas Clara [TS]

00:19:14   feel like I was running to adventure and [TS]

00:19:17   he's just like let's let's run away [TS]

00:19:19   let's go you know not only from the [TS]

00:19:22   peasantry yeah and Clara being all right [TS]

00:19:27   forward ho let's go into the great [TS]

00:19:29   unknown and find out what's out there [TS]

00:19:31   and fix fix things I it's a good note [TS]

00:19:35   for the doctor to go back adventuring [TS]

00:19:37   out on especially a doctor that's been [TS]

00:19:39   hurt and trying to run away when he [TS]

00:19:41   walks out on her [TS]

00:19:43   no and she follows him around the corner [TS]

00:19:44   and then he takes off and she runs and [TS]

00:19:48   jumps on the carriage right so she you [TS]

00:19:50   know she she is pursuing him in a you [TS]

00:19:52   know who knows what the overarching [TS]

00:19:54   story is going to be because she does [TS]

00:19:55   die in this episode just she ties in [TS]

00:19:58   asylum of the daleks I'd say that was a [TS]

00:20:00   spoiler but I mean clearly I wasn't [TS]

00:20:02   actually surprised that she died because [TS]

00:20:03   we've seen her die before and like all [TS]

00:20:05   right this is gonna be it's already a [TS]

00:20:07   weird situation that we've seen her once [TS]

00:20:09   so why not kill her again and then you [TS]

00:20:10   really ask yourself what it what is [TS]

00:20:13   going on here is she coming from cell [TS]

00:20:15   phone as of the Rory Williams syndrome [TS]

00:20:18   yeah really [TS]

00:20:19   she's really dying and then just you [TS]

00:20:21   know reappearing so she's obviously not [TS]

00:20:22   what she seems whether she knows that or [TS]

00:20:25   not and that's that's interesting that [TS]

00:20:28   you know it could be a good story arc ER [TS]

00:20:30   could be a bad morning and I think that [TS]

00:20:32   Reds to runs point it makes a really [TS]

00:20:33   good job of giving him something to go [TS]

00:20:36   because it's the end episode we use off [TS]

00:20:38   with him going off in search of her and [TS]

00:20:40   right you know that that gives him [TS]

00:20:42   something [TS]

00:20:43   well English which he hasn't had for a [TS]

00:20:46   while and I'm seeing her at the [TS]

00:20:47   gravestone in the present ish as a [TS]

00:20:51   modern person to giving us that it you [TS]

00:20:54   know this isn't you know there are more [TS]

00:20:55   of her out there it [TS]

00:20:58   yeah what yeah yeah yeahs was only does [TS]

00:21:03   too [TS]

00:21:03   sorry dr. you'll be wondering for a very [TS]

00:21:05   long time so I i speculated with dan [TS]

00:21:07   before the the episode started our [TS]

00:21:10   psyche well maybe they're going to do [TS]

00:21:12   almost a different main of the river [TS]

00:21:14   song story work he just keeps on meeting [TS]

00:21:17   her at various points in time as [TS]

00:21:19   different people and trying to solve the [TS]

00:21:22   mystery of that it looks like instead [TS]

00:21:24   they've done a future version of past [TS]

00:21:26   version and they're going to go with e [TS]

00:21:28   the present version of Clara bright who [TS]

00:21:30   knows how long you'll have with her [TS]

00:21:32   brands I mean it's still I think it [TS]

00:21:34   could be a very compelling mystery if [TS]

00:21:37   Steven Moffat can hold off on to the [TS]

00:21:39   reins and not you know let it get out of [TS]

00:21:41   control your diet anytime and then we'll [TS]

00:21:45   just bring her back the next week [TS]

00:21:46   get the other black yeah maybe she'll [TS]

00:21:48   die every week oh how did she die in [TS]

00:21:51   glory glory so they need a new dad [TS]

00:21:55   of the week yeah maybe there's some [TS]

00:21:58   added yeah it's it's funny it's weird I [TS]

00:22:00   mean obviously this is like I said [TS]

00:22:02   Steven Moffat is all about trying to go [TS]

00:22:05   against fan expectations your [TS]

00:22:07   expectations and and so with this it's a [TS]

00:22:09   you know he's trying to create a [TS]

00:22:10   companion story that you haven't seen [TS]

00:22:12   before which is every time you meet her [TS]

00:22:13   she dies so what's the deal with that [TS]

00:22:15   she keeps coming back and presumably [TS]

00:22:18   tied in in some way to the 50th [TS]

00:22:21   anniversary story because we're you know [TS]

00:22:24   they're counting down to it now but [TS]

00:22:26   it'll be interesting to see you know it [TS]

00:22:28   i like their chemistry i think it's a I [TS]

00:22:30   think it's fun so hopefully was so sad [TS]

00:22:32   when she died will never see her again [TS]

00:22:33   except shoes all over the trailer so we [TS]

00:22:35   will check for it thanks for that [TS]

00:22:40   yeah who uh what other thoughts any [TS]

00:22:45   other thoughts you like it like it [TS]

00:22:46   generally i mean i-i thought it was so [TS]

00:22:47   surprised by the tone but but i did you [TS]

00:22:50   know i did find it fun and I was kind of [TS]

00:22:52   glad that it was more fun sitting with [TS]

00:22:53   my kids I was glad that it was more fun [TS]

00:22:55   and less scary because the Snowman looks [TS]

00:22:56   scary [TS]

00:22:59   yeah i mean i will with Gary but yeah I [TS]

00:23:02   was glad that there weren't that many [TS]

00:23:04   gods but no that was me i was just [TS]

00:23:06   saying the teeth the teeth are scary but [TS]

00:23:08   he seemed very scary [TS]

00:23:09   yeah I really like the tone of the [TS]

00:23:12   episode I mean critter Christmas [TS]

00:23:14   specials are by and large I feel a [TS]

00:23:17   little bit geared to be family-friendly [TS]

00:23:20   your users [TS]

00:23:22   yeah I mean it's Christmas Day no one [TS]

00:23:24   wants to see lots of sadness Christmas [TS]

00:23:26   Day and the fact that they were able to [TS]

00:23:28   kill Clara and still make it fairly [TS]

00:23:31   light hearted up so don't be like yeah [TS]

00:23:32   they pissed you know she still around [TS]

00:23:35   kids don't get don't actually caused all [TS]

00:23:38   of your snow to melt outside big salty [TS]

00:23:40   tears its oh ok [TS]

00:23:43   they managed to create a nice compact [TS]

00:23:46   alarcon sure they're like little bits [TS]

00:23:48   and pieces that felt a little rushed by [TS]

00:23:50   actually I feel like this was a lot [TS]

00:23:52   better story then Steven Moffat stoled [TS]

00:23:56   in awhile and manage again he managed to [TS]

00:23:58   keep the reins on it and he told of [TS]

00:24:00   relatively nice compact story that had a [TS]

00:24:04   beginning a middle and an end and II [TS]

00:24:06   villa and didn't was was not completely [TS]

00:24:10   out of comprehension but I didn't [TS]

00:24:14   some-some Doctor Who stories and even [TS]

00:24:16   some christmas specials for Doctor Who I [TS]

00:24:19   go into it at the end of the episode of [TS]

00:24:21   scratching my head unlike that is [TS]

00:24:23   completely unbelievable and I don't [TS]

00:24:25   understand and I mean yes you can get [TS]

00:24:28   away with a little bit of built one in [TS]

00:24:30   paw prints ability but I i generally [TS]

00:24:32   want to more or less understand what [TS]

00:24:35   villain is doing what they're doing and [TS]

00:24:37   so the the doctor who do i mean the the [TS]

00:24:39   villain in this story is not entirely [TS]

00:24:41   two-dimensional he has a little a little [TS]

00:24:43   bit of character coloring again very [TS]

00:24:46   very screw jacks canary reminiscent of [TS]

00:24:50   villains past for Christmas settings on [TS]

00:24:53   sadly he did not get to be ready and he [TS]

00:24:55   gets to die [TS]

00:24:56   IC ask but you know not everybody can [TS]

00:25:00   have getting its memory worm and then [TS]

00:25:02   possessed and then is dead [TS]

00:25:04   alright that having a pretty today Merry [TS]

00:25:07   Christmas [TS]

00:25:08   richard maybe you should have been [TS]

00:25:09   playing with those kids [TS]

00:25:11   yeah yeah he was he was associate path [TS]

00:25:13   from the beginning he didn't want to [TS]

00:25:14   play with anybody just wanted to sit [TS]

00:25:15   there and play with the snowman and not [TS]

00:25:17   talk to any other kids and his parents [TS]

00:25:19   are like boy Johnny he's some you go [TS]

00:25:23   play with the kids know well i may go [TS]

00:25:26   back inside it's cold out here i'll talk [TS]

00:25:28   to you about your little imaginary [TS]

00:25:29   snowman friend we tried our best [TS]

00:25:33   sure nothing bad will happen 15 years I [TS]

00:25:35   car that has even collecting little bit [TS]

00:25:38   of snow and talking to the giant snow [TS]

00:25:40   globe for 50 years apparently well well [TS]

00:25:45   I know my wife would appreciate the use [TS]

00:25:48   of jars in the episode so that's a plus [TS]

00:25:51   yes evil yours evil thinking snow [TS]

00:25:54   crystals in jars except array [TS]

00:25:57   yeah I guess he's always talking about [TS]

00:25:59   where I got you know i'm not sure how [TS]

00:26:01   coherent the snow plot e is this pretty [TS]

00:26:07   not coherent have to think about how I i [TS]

00:26:09   think my feeling about it is that it it [TS]

00:26:12   was clearly not the point and not that [TS]

00:26:15   important and so I didn't start to apply [TS]

00:26:17   a lot of logic to it because it really [TS]

00:26:21   seemed to be beside the point that like [TS]

00:26:23   you know suffice it to say there's some [TS]

00:26:24   threats and its benefits [TS]

00:26:26   Ludi but you know that when when it all [TS]

00:26:30   turns to rain and solves everything it's [TS]

00:26:32   like well people nearby the globe were [TS]

00:26:35   sad it's like really that will you can [TS]

00:26:40   you just need a family to cry on [TS]

00:26:43   Christmas Eve and one thing is [TS]

00:26:45   everything's fine all evil snowmen go [TS]

00:26:47   away except for the family because [TS]

00:26:48   they're very sad i mean i think it was [TS]

00:26:51   the ending was definitely a little bit [TS]

00:26:52   of a deus ex machina up but that said [TS]

00:26:55   the plot itself made a fair amount of [TS]

00:26:58   sense to me where it's even you have [TS]

00:26:59   antisocial boy who basically embodies [TS]

00:27:04   this relatively lifeless parasite will [TS]

00:27:06   fit we will malicious intent and oh I [TS]

00:27:10   want to be alone because alone is the [TS]

00:27:13   best and everybody sucks i'm going to [TS]

00:27:16   create an entire snowmen army of [TS]

00:27:20   children who think that like I mean it [TS]

00:27:22   silly and it's outrageous [TS]

00:27:25   it feels it feels very doctor who and it [TS]

00:27:27   also feel very real and very Christmasy [TS]

00:27:31   at the same pot if I think about how [TS]

00:27:33   many Christmas stories we've heard about [TS]

00:27:35   you know owners and outcasts and people [TS]

00:27:38   who don't believe in the goodness of [TS]

00:27:40   others and living snowman to and let me [TS]

00:27:43   throw my frosty usually doesn't have [TS]

00:27:45   those of scary teeth but you know really [TS]

00:27:47   good that's actually got the part about [TS]

00:27:49   where fell apart for me is the than the [TS]

00:27:52   old the ice nanny who emerges and then [TS]

00:27:55   and then attacks them look blue [TS]

00:27:59   yeah you know I guess you know I don't [TS]

00:28:01   know that seemed weird because I I was [TS]

00:28:03   hoping that they were headed for a you [TS]

00:28:05   know she's important she's gonna rise [TS]

00:28:07   and she's that she's I expected her to [TS]

00:28:10   be the the the brains of the outfit [TS]

00:28:12   right like suddenly that all the [TS]

00:28:13   intelligence from the snow globe is now [TS]

00:28:15   in the ice lady and she's really smart [TS]

00:28:18   and scary and they have to out with her [TS]

00:28:20   and and melt her in some way right in [TS]

00:28:22   order to win instead she just sort of [TS]

00:28:24   has a catchphrase that you know she [TS]

00:28:26   repeats over and over again which island [TS]

00:28:29   pines and you know Steven Moffat does [TS]

00:28:32   that with villains right they repeat [TS]

00:28:35   catchphrases over and over again and and [TS]

00:28:37   uh and so we get that here and she's in [TS]

00:28:40   a force field for a while and then she's [TS]

00:28:42   in a cloud trapped for a while and then [TS]

00:28:43   she shockingly you know pulse Clara off [TS]

00:28:46   the cloud but shatters into a million [TS]

00:28:48   pieces doesn't seem very smart and then [TS]

00:28:50   the doctor like sweeps her up with the [TS]

00:28:53   TARDIS so that they can't use the pieces [TS]

00:28:55   i don't know that part that's where [TS]

00:28:57   that's what actually where it came apart [TS]

00:28:58   for me where I was really hoping you [TS]

00:29:02   know there was such a menace when she [TS]

00:29:03   was in the in the ice behind the house [TS]

00:29:06   that this once this thing got out watch [TS]

00:29:09   out then and then really you didn't need [TS]

00:29:12   to i think what I think we were the [TS]

00:29:14   doctor who like in so many other cases [TS]

00:29:15   you know villains and scary things are [TS]

00:29:17   much better when left to the imagination [TS]

00:29:18   and then turned into a concrete sort of [TS]

00:29:20   right now I would have rather had the [TS]

00:29:24   had the ice nanny you know not get not [TS]

00:29:26   come out and be like oh jeez the really [TS]

00:29:28   bad thing is about to come out and then [TS]

00:29:30   stop it but once it's revealed it's like [TS]

00:29:32   yeah it's a it's mary poppins covered in [TS]

00:29:35   ice [TS]

00:29:36   yay they see well [TS]

00:29:37   is it also birthday blue scarab and [TS]

00:29:40   we've road-tripped yeah umbrella which I [TS]

00:29:44   thought was a nice nice not Americans I [TS]

00:29:49   really thought that the appearance of [TS]

00:29:52   the Ice Man II diluted the wonderful [TS]

00:29:55   moment that Clara as with her charges [TS]

00:29:57   when she's telling them about the doctor [TS]

00:30:00   and this man was in a cast for MacLeod I [TS]

00:30:03   it that such a poignant moment and [TS]

00:30:06   really describes a lot about the doctor [TS]

00:30:09   and I feel like all right we're going to [TS]

00:30:11   start telling the story [TS]

00:30:13   yeah I have bad dreams while he's on [TS]

00:30:14   vacation right now but he's kind of got [TS]

00:30:16   to save us and then instead of a triumph [TS]

00:30:20   of Doctor Who woman we get a scary I [TS]

00:30:23   lady [TS]

00:30:23   okay yeah very strange and an [TS]

00:30:29   unfortunate that I don't know what you [TS]

00:30:32   have to do I mean obviously I think they [TS]

00:30:33   need to advance the story along and that [TS]

00:30:35   was the most important part but yeah it [TS]

00:30:39   was it was then that fell short for me I [TS]

00:30:43   mean I didn't like I didn't mind the [TS]

00:30:44   snowglobe stuff and and in fact the [TS]

00:30:46   fairytale aspect of the the whole of the [TS]

00:30:51   family is crying thing was it was fine [TS]

00:30:53   it was a deus ex machina but oh ok but [TS]

00:30:55   the ice and he just started didn't work [TS]

00:30:58   at all [TS]

00:31:00   it felt great it seemed like they felt [TS]

00:31:02   like they need to spend our special [TS]

00:31:04   effects budget [TS]

00:31:05   yeah yeah I guess although I'm didn't [TS]

00:31:08   have that much because she didn't look [TS]

00:31:09   that great either i did I were missing [TS]

00:31:12   something [TS]

00:31:12   I didn't it was a big but I guess kids [TS]

00:31:14   might be terrified by annie that's made [TS]

00:31:16   out of Miami nanny that's been [TS]

00:31:18   reanimated out of a block of ice but you [TS]

00:31:20   know who cool among us can relate to [TS]

00:31:22   that we should talk about the the [TS]

00:31:27   trailer at the end people see the [TS]

00:31:29   trailer at the end [TS]

00:31:30   yes yes yes so glimpses lots of stuff in [TS]

00:31:37   there and that i thought was interesting [TS]

00:31:38   there some ghoulish kind of monsters [TS]

00:31:40   they're there are redesigned Cyberman in [TS]

00:31:42   there which is from neil gaiman episode [TS]

00:31:44   which is coming up [TS]

00:31:45   well there's a submarine [TS]

00:31:51   summary dan I think you like I don't [TS]

00:31:53   know what I do like submarines i'm a fan [TS]

00:31:56   of submarines thought you were big they [TS]

00:31:58   go underneath the marine that's right [TS]

00:32:00   it's better underneath the marina [TS]

00:32:02   yeah way better there is fish down there [TS]

00:32:04   yeah I don't know it went by only gotta [TS]

00:32:05   watch it once because we're watching on [TS]

00:32:07   DVR and so I didn't I didn't answer jump [TS]

00:32:10   right into the podcast started just like [TS]

00:32:12   the printer it [TS]

00:32:13   yeah doesn't guy's house where Clara [TS]

00:32:17   whatever the hell you're holding a gun [TS]

00:32:19   yeah or somebody gon of some sort i [TS]

00:32:23   don't know i was paying attention to see [TS]

00:32:26   if her hair styles and or clothing was [TS]

00:32:28   dramatically changed in between [TS]

00:32:30   appearances just in case it is you're [TS]

00:32:31   getting older it didn't seem like they [TS]

00:32:34   showed her some other pictures of her in [TS]

00:32:35   Victorian dress [TS]

00:32:36   yeah they do show a couple of her from [TS]

00:32:38   the future episode and from the past [TS]

00:32:40   steps though but I think we're going to [TS]

00:32:43   be sticking with President Clara for a [TS]

00:32:44   while or at least it seems to look that [TS]

00:32:46   way from the previous is once we meet [TS]

00:32:49   her [TS]

00:32:49   yes although then again we may just get [TS]

00:32:53   her for one or two episodes and then we [TS]

00:32:55   do get quite a few people being like [TS]

00:32:56   this is a very interesting creature [TS]

00:32:58   you've picked up who is this girl right [TS]

00:33:00   there [TS]

00:33:02   it's clear that cycle of the season or [TS]

00:33:04   at least this first half will definitely [TS]

00:33:06   be set off i'm just-just who or what is [TS]

00:33:11   Clara and why is the universe treating [TS]

00:33:13   her in such a fashion right i think so [TS]

00:33:19   that you know Steven Moffat had some [TS]

00:33:21   success with his story arcs like this [TS]

00:33:22   and some some not successfully story [TS]

00:33:24   acts like this but if they keep if they [TS]

00:33:26   tell interesting stories and then they [TS]

00:33:27   have this going on in the background as [TS]

00:33:29   to who this person is and and and why [TS]

00:33:31   she's there that that could be [TS]

00:33:32   interesting you know the leading up [TS]

00:33:34   presumably to a season finale that has [TS]

00:33:36   shocking revelations and you know we've [TS]

00:33:38   seen that before it's all going to come [TS]

00:33:40   down to the details and what kind of [TS]

00:33:42   stories that they're telling in this [TS]

00:33:43   last this last half of this the set of [TS]

00:33:46   episodes I it's getting confusing about [TS]

00:33:48   what a season is with Doctor Who because [TS]

00:33:49   this year the Christmas specials in the [TS]

00:33:51   middle and they're doing the anniversary [TS]

00:33:53   of the fall and nobody knows what form [TS]

00:33:55   that's going to take so I don't know [TS]

00:33:56   there's whatever 55 more episode 6 more [TS]

00:34:00   episodes to come so we'll see [TS]

00:34:04   any other thoughts about Christmas and [TS]

00:34:06   and Doctor Who I am I'm actually you [TS]

00:34:11   know feeling after again after feeling [TS]

00:34:14   kind of burned by the this season in [TS]

00:34:15   general i'm feeling cautiously [TS]

00:34:17   optimistic that there might be some good [TS]

00:34:20   stuff ahead [TS]

00:34:23   yeah i don't know i like i like the tone [TS]

00:34:25   of this episode of probably vector you [TS]

00:34:26   know watching Doctor Who because it was [TS]

00:34:28   fun and outrageous and you know the [TS]

00:34:31   doctor is a larger-than-life hero and so [TS]

00:34:34   I kind of like the idea of a fresh start [TS]

00:34:37   with the new companion and some new [TS]

00:34:39   mysteries new friends all that good [TS]

00:34:42   stuff so I'm looking forward to it [TS]

00:34:44   yeah good to be out from the crushing [TS]

00:34:46   kind of end of the pond story i mean i [TS]

00:34:49   love you i love you mean worried where [TS]

00:34:50   it started it just it got it got too [TS]

00:34:52   much too fast i felt like his ponderous [TS]

00:34:55   haha haha oh that's my job there's not [TS]

00:35:00   enough room for two of us making under [TS]

00:35:03   its parts [TS]

00:35:04   oh I thought you were going to say that [TS]

00:35:06   the pond has frozen over [TS]

00:35:09   nah I don't get that well it was in the [TS]

00:35:13   episode there was a nice nanny and all [TS]

00:35:15   right it's got there were detectives in [TS]

00:35:17   this episode this is right up your alley [TS]

00:35:18   and vintage era was I do like Victorian [TS]

00:35:22   detectives yeah I'm overall it was a fun [TS]

00:35:24   episode you know I just a blizzard lady [TS]

00:35:27   exhibition guitar and lizards ladies [TS]

00:35:30   intern but ladies that those are good [TS]

00:35:33   yeah and I think I i like them i had [TS]

00:35:36   left me hopeful for the rest of the [TS]

00:35:38   season because i feel like it is a going [TS]

00:35:42   to involve us to like an overarching [TS]

00:35:44   story arc that will be a little more [TS]

00:35:49   interesting than the kind of the one off [TS]

00:35:51   like random episodes that we've been [TS]

00:35:53   getting so robot cowboy sorry cyborg [TS]

00:35:56   cowboy [TS]

00:35:57   yeah yeah exactly so I I that's the way [TS]

00:36:01   I think doctor who does that [TS]

00:36:03   best that having these kind of grand [TS]

00:36:05   overarching things and I think that's [TS]

00:36:07   been missing so hopefully it'll come [TS]

00:36:10   back around how about you [TS]

00:36:13   I I think I mean I'm from what I've been [TS]

00:36:17   saying on the podcast i would rather [TS]

00:36:19   like watching it I thought it was a good [TS]

00:36:21   christmas special i'm curious to see [TS]

00:36:23   what they will do with Clara and I i [TS]

00:36:26   like the idea that oh it's someone who [TS]

00:36:29   is sort of stuck in time but not in the [TS]

00:36:33   way that river song is traveling and [TS]

00:36:36   stuck in time I love the idea of [TS]

00:36:39   introducing a new fold and a new [TS]

00:36:41   character because this much as I love [TS]

00:36:43   Alex Kingston and I love much as I love [TS]

00:36:45   river song i think we there that needs [TS]

00:36:48   to take a back step especially because [TS]

00:36:50   the ponds are gone so hopefully you know [TS]

00:36:52   it's it's nice to have something new [TS]

00:36:53   that we don't know all the mysteries to [TS]

00:36:56   that isn't just another the doctor is [TS]

00:36:58   dangerous and needs to be put down i [TS]

00:37:00   will I i await the rest of the season [TS]

00:37:03   with high hopes and in my curiosity [TS]

00:37:06   having a new story is good right i mean [TS]

00:37:08   david tennant did a year with billie [TS]

00:37:10   piper and then you got to have the year [TS]

00:37:12   with with with free magma and then the [TS]

00:37:15   the you know and then after that got to [TS]

00:37:17   have the wonderful year with a doctor [TS]

00:37:21   Donna right and that Smith way he's been [TS]

00:37:25   lashed for better or worse to Amy bond [TS]

00:37:28   for two years about two-and-a-half years [TS]

00:37:31   right so it's time it's time for new [TS]

00:37:36   stories for him I think it's as much as [TS]

00:37:38   I like the like worried and Amy it's [TS]

00:37:40   time for new stories and it has a chance [TS]

00:37:42   to to let Matt Smith's whole kind of [TS]

00:37:45   storyline progress and be different and [TS]

00:37:47   interesting and see him without [TS]

00:37:49   interacting with other people and I [TS]

00:37:50   think that's really good i think that's [TS]

00:37:52   I think there's potential there i mean [TS]

00:37:53   we may all be suckers right and be like [TS]

00:37:56   oh yeah sign me up and I'm more excited [TS]

00:37:58   about it but fact is they were [TS]

00:37:59   struggling to produce a good episode and [TS]

00:38:01   it's fall so it's good to see one that [TS]

00:38:04   was at least fun and light and not [TS]

00:38:07   clouded with the whole story arc of a [TS]

00:38:12   mean we're leaving for once [TS]

00:38:14   yes all right okay well i think i think [TS]

00:38:18   we're going to close up the flash [TS]

00:38:19   podcast and mail it over the internet [TS]

00:38:22   200 of these podcast work again i don't [TS]

00:38:26   know i press the button here it comes [TS]

00:38:27   out there so i hope everybody out there [TS]

00:38:30   had a good holiday and enjoyed doctor [TS]

00:38:33   who and enjoyed listen to us talk about [TS]

00:38:35   a little bit and so I would like to [TS]

00:38:37   thank my companions for christmas night [TS]

00:38:41   every year for the last couple years dad [TS]

00:38:46   thank you for sharing some of your [TS]

00:38:48   christmas with the with the [TS]

00:38:49   uncomfortable [TS]

00:38:51   thanks for having me dr. Snell huh [TS]

00:38:54   that's my father I am merely I merely [TS]

00:38:57   hosts no awkward and Scott melting [TS]

00:39:02   thank you for being here i'm sorry that [TS]

00:39:04   your your euro semi alone [TS]

00:39:07   hello again for christmas i hope we [TS]

00:39:09   warmed your heart and your hearth [TS]

00:39:11   metaphorically i was i'm not alone there [TS]

00:39:15   like five snowmen behind me i'm sure [TS]

00:39:18   that's fine [TS]

00:39:18   don't turn around don't think about the [TS]

00:39:20   melt things got that's record or cry [TS]

00:39:23   here I exactly your tears when we hang [TS]

00:39:27   up we shouldn't be adventures in a new [TS]

00:39:28   era of of Doctor Who working just [TS]

00:39:30   different always enemies bike ride [TS]

00:39:33   don't worry dear i'm always crying yeah [TS]

00:39:36   that's really want that up and read [TS]

00:39:42   thank you for being here too [TS]

00:39:44   of course it's a tradition it is it is a [TS]

00:39:47   tradition it's very nice i'm glad that [TS]

00:39:48   you guys could take the time on [TS]

00:39:50   Christmas night all the presents are [TS]

00:39:51   open you know everything's been the [TS]

00:39:55   trees have been set on fire and thrown a [TS]

00:39:57   worshipper and is that just me [TS]

00:39:58   well okay i was told it was a tradition [TS]

00:40:01   anyway it's been great so thanks [TS]

00:40:04   everybody [TS]

00:40:05   again and happy holidays and we will be [TS]

00:40:08   back [TS]

00:40:09   later we'll be back and show we see next [TS]

00:40:12   year maybe its next year now is it let [TS]

00:40:14   me check the counter here it is [TS]

00:40:15   we'll be back next year the future in [TS]

00:40:19   the future I want my car [TS]

00:40:21   that's right still no flanker now damp [TS]

00:40:24   out and I order i ordered one become [TS]

00:40:27   alright how the sends being comfortable [TS]

00:40:30   flash by everybody [TS]