The Incomparable

00:00:01 ◼   ► the Intolerable number 117 December [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► atlantique well welcome back to the [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► uncomfortable podcast I'm Jason Snelling [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► i'm joined by three fine members of our [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► book club [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► we're going to talk about the latest in [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► the 4 ko's again series of books by lois [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► mcmaster bujold which we also talked [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► about on a previous podcast called the [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► episode title is my word is foreclosed [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► again the links in the show notes this [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► is the 14th book in the series i believe [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► ya so if you haven't read the first 13 [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► yeah you might want to tune out at some [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► point when we start talking about it [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► because well that's interesting that's [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► an interesting question what we can talk [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► about that that's yes it is interesting [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► and that was that voice you heard was [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► damn moron who is who is the man who [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► introduced me to the four cosine series [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► which I've been read 13 books in about [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► two months couple years ago I consider [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► that a win [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► yes thank you very much also joining me [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► is Scott McNulty hi Scott [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► hello i also blame damn for yes I had [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► never heard of this little strange [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► character until I met down everything [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► coming out more'n and all and the [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► laughter that you hear in the background [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► directed at Dan of course is it's really [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► called well hello hello Jason [TS]

00:01:20 ◼   ► I don't say three yeah i'll answer all [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► entirely I've number of friends who will [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► also blame me for this [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► yeah are we not your friends and your [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► friends yeah yeah thanks to introduce [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► you guys to this book also my friends I [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► mean it's well established this Gotye [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► our nemesis not true [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► framing sequence and Jason and I are [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► friends grandma sees nemesis enemies [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► no it's more like pharmacies because [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► their nemesis but also friends that's [TS]

00:01:49 ◼   ► good point there really nemesis so so [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► we're going to talk about this but this [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► is a to book club episodes in the row i [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► believe and in our last episode it [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► almost a cliffhanger except it was [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► edited out so only people who listen to [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► the after dark heard it when we last [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► left serenity Caldwell she was a [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► Disneyland and not on the podcast which [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► is a real it's a shameful lack of [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► priorities to lead you to know [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► I I feel really horrible and I was [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► screaming for the for the good three [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► minutes while i was on splash mountain [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► and you guys couldn't reach me [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► yeah it's a shame so we were good we [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► were trying to call you from from the [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► podcast podcast was calling and we [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► really highlights the podcast we almost [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► left you a voicemail in fact it's about [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► God's back because we're talking about [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► what what uh and how we how we read so [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► before we talk about about this latest [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► for coaching book that's not it's [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► actually a for patrol book but it's also [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► with 40 second book I thought we would [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► touch base because you were an iphone [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► reader and and last week when we talked [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► we talked a lot about candles and we [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► talked about ipads and we talked about [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► books made of paper [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► mm but we didn't really talk about the [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► iphone and and that was why we were [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► trying to call you is that you are seem [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► to be a dedicated iphone reader can you [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► can you explain this to us [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► explain yourself please why am i doing [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► these things to my eyes you know I'm not [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► actually sure how it started [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► other than when i got the iphone i was [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► pretty much glue to it because it was in [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► my pocket and everywhere and I had gone [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► through a period of i think four or five [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► years where I had just not been reading [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► which is in stark contrast to my life [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► before then when I basically either [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► bought or checked out three books a week [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► from the library so during like my [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► college in my coast post-college years i [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► was reading absolutely nothing because I [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► was either going around and you know [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► running from place to place so quickly [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► or already carrying five or six books [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► that I had to read for school that just [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► you know i did not have the extra space [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► to stick in a paperback or and that [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► Kendall's hadn't even been invented at [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► that point so I when the kindle first [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► came out I gave it a glance and promptly [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► ran away cause I'm like the ink is cool [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► but there's the keyboard and it's I [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► guess it's kind of late but I don't know [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► I it was too expensive [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► I'd I just wasn't interested first it [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► was bad it was yeah yeah I still [TS]

00:04:17 ◼   ► disagree but shame no all right we'll [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► talk later Scott yeah [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► when the ibookstore came out i bought a [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► book or two I think partially because [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► being comfortable had started up by that [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► point and you guys were reading pretty [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► you guys are being pretty frequently at [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► the front because we were doing book [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► clubs with three books for books at once [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► and previous to that I was just going [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► into a bookstore and reading the city in [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► the city from cover to cover in order to [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► try and capture up by know this is a [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► library lady I know I know I didn't have [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► a library i didn't have a library card [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► in the city that I was living because [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► I'd only been living there are a few [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► months so I i would go into barns and [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► not like I went into the barnes and [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► noble and I read city to city in seven [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► hours something like that i just sat [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► down in a chair and occasionally wander [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► down and get coffee or something and [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► then we'll tea and wonder back up and [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► read more i'm going to about things from [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► them eventually but they really make [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► money on the coffee anyway so yeah okay [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► so I mean that was my eyes my book life [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► for a long time is when I wasn't reading [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► a lot of books i would wander into [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► bookstores i would read a couple [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► chapters when i worked at the apple [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► store on my lunch break i would go into [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► borders I'd read two chapters i put the [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► book back that I'd go back on my thing [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► so when the ibookstore came out [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► yeah Shh i I've spent plenty of money at [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► that store it goes to borders on to you [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► at night [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► yes coffee shop at the coffee shop so [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► when the ibookstore came out I was a [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► little curious but not really super you [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► know super interested in and then I [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► started downloading books for being [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► comparable and actually the first series [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► ironically enough the first series that [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► i read majorly on the iphone was the [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► Vorkosigan saga in that most of the [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► books were available as ebooks from [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► Baines website and some of them are [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► available for free and some of them are [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► available via beans web store so i [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► basically i think i got the first book [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► from dan in paperback format and i read [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► that and I wanted to read the second one [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► and I didn't either have a car to go out [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► to the bookstore or somewhere else so i [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► actually went on [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► my phone and just downloaded the second [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► one from being swept store and then [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► proceeded to read the entirety of the [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► series on my iphone one little page at a [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► time and you would think that it would [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► be really really annoying reading on a [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► tiny screen and in fact everybody I tell [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► that i read long novels on tiny screens [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► to uh looks at me like I'm a little [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► crazy but I actually really like the [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► almost isolation that you get from a [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► small screen where you basically have to [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► digest it in you have to digest the book [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► in small chunks as opposed to a full [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► page of paperback text for me because of [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► the way i read which I'll get into in a [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► second is really intimidating and i [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► really like having a smaller screen so [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► that i can read more carefully so the [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► reason why a full page is a little weird [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► is because i read mr. sounds weird I [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► read all of the words but I read [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► diagonally so when I scan a page with my [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► eyes and I'm reading I don't read it I [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► don't subvocalize in my head I actually [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► I read through about two paragraphs at [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► once and my brain for some magical [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► reason is able to compose at all those [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► words I've seen on the page into the [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► appropriate sentences and word pictures [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► in my head which I i know sounds really [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► weird and sounds like BS but is is the [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► clearest way i can approximate how I [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► actually read that so so should properly [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► composed paragraph for you have the best [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► words kind of all on a diagonal line [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► through the whole like oh this is a good [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► word i'm gonna put this the middle of [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► the third line of this paragraph because [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► yes exactly it's like i pick and choose [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► my words now it's almost like an s-curve [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► in a weird ways it's my eyes kind of [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► scan because i read so often as a child [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► I I don't I'm just hypothesizing at this [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► point but i'm able more or less to pick [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► out the important words in a paragraph [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► that I know will paint the accurate [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► picture and it's weird because I don't [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► lose any data like I'm not skimming the [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► paragraph i can tell you everything that [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► happened in that particular sentence [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► and if an author has particularly [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► interesting verbosity or interesting you [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► know phrasing or with i will usually be [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► able to quote those specifics phrases [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► but more or less it's like it's like [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► taking those words and composing a [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► picture inside my head rather than some [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► vocalizing each and every word [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► it's getting the idea of what the scene [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► looks like it doesn't work quite the [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► same way for dialogue but for any kind [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► of paragraph of description that's kind [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► of what happens [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► wow I you know I I were going to get [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► Oliver Sacks on to discuss this with [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► this is it seems like a neurological odd [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► phenomenon that she's also occasionally [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► mistake in her iphone for a hat so the [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► table is clearly or a book and a hat the [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► so the iphone helps your reading process [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► by having fewer words on the page is it [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► does that actually help you kind of [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► progress as you're reading in a weird [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► way is there any other kind miss [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► diagonal reader it's um because of the [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► the way that my eye scan if the page is [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► a full page long my eyes will like I [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► will actually digest that entire page at [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► once or at least attempt to which will [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► usually require me to just either bring [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► the book closer to my face or like focus [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► on paragraph one paragraph to paragraph [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► 3 paragraph 4 so having the iphone [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► basically limit the size of the page [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► means that my eyes can't read ahead by [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► accident and try and incorporate that [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► part of the story into the previous part [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► its yeah I I don't even know how to [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► describe it it's like time time-travel [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► reading I i read you know i read on my [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► iphone some but it's usually only when [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► i'm trapped somewhere and there's no [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► other I was actually just doing this [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► because i was at the doctor's office [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► because feeling a little under the [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► weather earlier and and all i had was my [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► iphone and you know in a situation like [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► that I it's perfectly fine to read on I [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► just don't think i would read you know a [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► thousand-page book just on it I having a [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► kindle or an iPad or something like that [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► seems seems better but you know it's [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► great when you're in those situations [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► and you're in the line at Disneyland and [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► you can just read a real book you got a [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► book with you at all times [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► oh yeah i mean i love [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► that part and i love i mean the kindle [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► has this to a certain extent i love [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► being able to finish one book in a [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► series and immediately download the next [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► book is dangerous [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► there's no yes it's gotten me into [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► trouble I remember reading the the the [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► george RR martin books which some of [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► those took me a couple days and then [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► also reading I got his name is gonna [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► patrick rothfuss series i read the first [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► two of those books back to back in about [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► 13 hours but diagonally so into way I do [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► yes it's special attraction two hours [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► guys are acting reading that's right [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► you're a four-dimensional reader [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► essentially yes that's that's probably [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► why can you scan the top of the page and [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► then the depth is extrapolated sort of [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► like by sonar pinging pinging this i [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► know i mean i'll ask for other reasons [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► than that I like being able to have my [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► complete book library on it and i like [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► how light it is actually it's it seems [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► weird because you know the kindle is [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► light and the and the ipad is light but [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► they're also bulkier in a in a similar [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► way to a paperback book and the iphone [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► because it fits so nicely in my hand [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► it's something you know if I'm sitting [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► on a crowded bus and when i was living [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► in San Francisco I did a lot of sitting [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► on crowded buses and have a lot you know [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► I have my my backpack or my satchel and [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► I be wearing a winter coat and like [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► taking the time if you're only on the [TS]

00:12:33 ◼   ► bus for 10 minutes five minutes to get a [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► book out of your you know out of your [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► purse and then by the time you open it [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► and if you get involved in the story you [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► might lose you know miss your stop if [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► I'm on the iphone it's very easy for me [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► to like read ten iphone pages look up [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► make sure that I you know haven't [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► wandered down to the mission go back [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► read ten more iphone pages it's a it's [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► allows me to get sucked into a book much [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► more quickly which I like and it makes [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► bed reading so much easier because I can [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► you know I don't have to prop anything [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► up which is lazy reading I admit you [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► know there's something to be said about [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► having a physical book in your hand [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► but having the having the iphone is just [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► so comfortable that i find myself [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► reading a lot longer than I normally [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► would if i was reading a paperback book [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► like normally I'll read for like an hour [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► to then put it away then do something [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► then come back to reading unless i'm [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► completely caught up with the iphone I [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► it i become very easily immersed inside [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► the book so I'm trying to imagine if we [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► had actually gotten you on the phone [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► from the podcast while you're in [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► Disneyland you trying to explain that [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► you read things diagonally while and [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► wide for the haunted mansion and your [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► stead that would be very confusing so [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► I'm glad that we waited and that you [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► were able to come on and and add a [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► little kota to our how we read them [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► because it was sad you couldn't be on [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► but you didn't land you know magic [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► disneyland the magic kingdom is a [TS]

00:13:57 ◼   ► special place in Star Tours waits for no [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► woman yeah there you go you know when I [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► did start towards i got like it was all [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► frequently it was like let's go to Nobu [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► and-and-and like Jar Jar was in it was [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► really just did you stand up in the [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► middle said no this is not happening i [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► was i was going to but it was but you [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► know there's ship was shaking so i [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► stayed they'd strap yeah you know you [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► can do it smart smart yeah but they [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► don't step c-3po and because they don't [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► care about droids but that we don't [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► serve their kind here that there are [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► good they're good options and start [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► towards you just have to you have to go [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► on it multiple times their own unwritten [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► rule at this inherently have to go on at [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► least three times [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► yeah now i only did the one boy it was [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► there was charged our that was so set so [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► so now you're in the midst of reading i [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► should say the the 14th or Costa can [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► book but you haven't actually finished [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► it right on your iPhone all know I am a [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► horrible person I decided to get work [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► done and set up my new television rather [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► than television television television [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► rots rots your brain [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► I know in my day television was called [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► books are you just had a television so [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► you can hook up your iphone to it so you [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► can read a lot are masterful television [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► reading out god how many inches is it [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► diagonally [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► oh maybe it is because many inches too [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► many inches inches for you old man [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► oh so let's hold heyo let's talk about [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► captain for patrols Alliance the 14 book [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► by in this series by lois mcmaster [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► bujold dan more'n one of your favorite [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► yes and then we'll get to some point [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► where red will say I can't listen to [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► this anymore to tap out and she will she [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► will flee and we'll say goodbye will [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► flee and i will actually go curl up on [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► the couch and finish you will find out [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► that I've indices I think it's a sad [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► it's shame know the zombie I'm by the [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► way uh 20 episode 24 the incomparable [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► was our Vorkosigan episode so you can [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► check that out and i will also point out [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► that lois mcmaster bujold listen to that [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► episode of the incomparable and her one [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► of her one comment that i recall was [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► they should let the woman talk more so [TS]

00:16:18 ◼   ► it's really sad that you didn't read the [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► whole book because she's gonna listen [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► and she's gonna be like one of the cover [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► off halfway through I didn't let her [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► keep talking plus I'm sorry that was my [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► fault i think I i think i emailed it to [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► her which I was going over there [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► do you mind my fault apparently that's [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► sorry everybody [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► dan and I went on and on and on about [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► how much didn't like miles [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► ya know so training training that so [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► this is this is the ivan book this is [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► not about miles I mean previously we've [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► had essentially either miles is the [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► central character in these books or [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► prior to that it was his mother and [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► father right and now we have and then [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► there was like there was the ethan of [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► athos and and following free which is [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► sort of not it's in the same universe [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► but basically these books are all about [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► miles or miles parents and now we get [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► his cousin eivin who has been an this [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► basically comic relief character would [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► you say kind of notnot we not the first [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► time let's note that he is the narrator [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► though because he gets a point of view [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► in civil campaign sure but like I said [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► sort of the primary character right [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► right right right but is on the fringes [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► for most of the series he is the he is [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► the stereotypical character he's [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► everything that miles is now [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► right he's handsome tall he's debonair [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► is tall right yeah and and that [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► successful with the ladies right he's [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► the foil even though he's not as smart [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► as miles is we also know that he's a lot [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► smarter than he lets on right right [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► because he doesn't he doesn't want to [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► get in complex situations he doesn't [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► want to get in trouble he doesn't want [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► and that's actually the funniest thing [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► about Ivan right is that is that miles o [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► his approaches him and he rolls his eyes [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► and says no don't know don't get me [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► involved then of course he's involved [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► I i like the idea so I went to a reading [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► with Miss bujold she was in cambridge [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► and so I went to hear her a couple weeks [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► ago read from this book and she made the [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► comment at some point that the problem [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► is ivan is that ivan is always trying to [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► avoid the plot [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► yeah and and she's like well you know in [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► miles you know you wouldn't want to put [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► too much miles because miles away just [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► like takeover right you know pushed [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► everybody aside and be like all right [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► yeah let's bring this on but I thought [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► that did the fact that I've been [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► avoiding the plot at all costs is one of [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► his one of his most charming traits and [TS]

00:18:32 ◼   ► but it makes it difficult to read a book [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► with a main character who is trying to [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► avoid the plot that he is it if you ask [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► i mean it makes it difficult for him [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► that's for sure [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► that is true and it's kind it's got a [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► funny though right that he's too he [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► tries to get out of it but he can't get [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► out of it right he just can't [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► he's kind of hapless yeah i mean let's [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► be fair in the in the first couple [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► chapters in this book he winds up in a [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► fairly compromising position fairly [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► quickly [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► yeah he hasn't he has a knack for that [TS]

00:19:02 ◼   ► so yeah yeah in this so the this book [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► starts and he's on assignment and he's [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► he's given by his his friend by early [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► friend never seen em nervous perhaps [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► friend friend missus msf Ramona's I [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► can't say that were you know where it's [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► going to be a word now I've decided it's [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► going to be a word that Riley says that [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► uh I need you to watch this this girl [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► who works down at this like mail boxes [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► etc UPS store anyway the economy yeah [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► lactic fittings [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► yes exactly and intergalactic x [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► yeah and he says okay sure [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► I'm Susan did you might be in danger and [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► so he buys it really ugly flower pot and [TS]

00:19:50 ◼   ► takes it even has her ship it two miles [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► several planets away at the first time I [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► was mentioned in that book because I [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► find it very funny that you know yeah [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► I'm kind of our our dear friend miles [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► remember him he's the main character of [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► most of this series we're going to mail [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► a really ugly Bosley ya ugly flower pot [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► or yeah or virus that's going to be used [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► as a flower pot because what else would [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► you use it for and and one thing leads [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► to another and he uses his skills [TS]

00:20:18 ◼   ► so-called skills at picking up women to [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► continually try to pick up this woman [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► she's leaving the store and all that and [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► then he doubles back because he knows [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► her address because he's actually not a [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► random a customer and he ends up stunned [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► and tied up on a on a chair as this [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► woman and her roommate who is blue a [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► blue acrobat right detective an [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► understatement debates what debate what [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► to acrobat / dancer really except sure [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► acrobatic dancer if you will slash [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► living statue [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► yeah did debate what to do with him and [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► he ends up you know he's confident as [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► always and he ends up saving them and [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► and and they end up back at his [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► apartment and then the fun begins [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► because through a series of wacky events [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► he ends up having to marry the woman in [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► order to protect her from the local [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► authorities so you've heard of the meat [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► cute this book actually has the Mary [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► cute [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► well and and you know in i think which [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► which prompts my favorite line from the [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► book which is so he's done all of this [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► to basically aboard have avoided having [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► her deported because in marrying him she [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► basically becomes a subject of bar ER [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► and thus you know protected to a certain [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► extent and so as they're there can you [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► know doing the ceremony as the the [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► immigration all officials are trying to [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► knock down their doors and so just as [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► they they burst in and they've conclude [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► the ceremony in that the immigration [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► officials go to a pretender you get the [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► lovely [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► unhand lady for patricia i know that i [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► know you love that line [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► I I thought it was I just I don't know [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► it was one of those like day you know [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► her books are very often amusing but [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► this one you know like a civil campaign [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► is something that you know it's much [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► more comedic than it yes you know all [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► the other ones are you know quite moving [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► I mean several of them i laughed out [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► loud at several points in this book i [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► left at all [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► yeah there's a good three chapter [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► section and it's all I mean and it's all [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► it's all character-based humor for the [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► most part right it's because you know [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► these people right and you defect that [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► they're put in these situations and that [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► they react in ways that you know our [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► kind of familiar [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► you know it's like seeing your best [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► friend get into you know a particular [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► type of trouble odd-man John's always [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► get into that trouble right you know i [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► don't like the specific it's like you [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► know these people because they're so [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► fully fleshed-out characters that [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► there's something very amusing in the [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► fact that you see them get into these [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► situations and knowing you know the fact [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► that all the items getting dragged into [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► this against his will [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► it just comes off very charming so i was [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► looking on amazon and there's a book [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► list review that that is is positive but [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► one of the things that it says I'm [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► trying to find it here is is new readers [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► can enjoy Ivan story on its own but will [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► miss many of the nuances that add depth [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► and character and I wanted to ask when [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► you've got something that's you know the [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► 14th book in a series i think the [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► strongest thing about it and what struck [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► me especially in the first half of this [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► book really the part that rim is red is [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► is that a lot of it works because these [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► are all characters that we know and [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► seeing you again and seeing these [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► corners of the universe you know filled [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► out a little bit and seeing these people [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► placed in funny situations works really [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► well and i kinda can't conceive of what [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► this book would read like if you haven't [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► read the 14 books that came before it [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► yeah i'm curious about that and I know [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► that on her blog lowest posted that [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► issue was really curious she had not [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► seen a lot of reviews from people who [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► had not read this series otherwise and [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► she was really curious to know how it [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► how it played for someone who had not [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► read it and so I i have no idea i mean [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► having of course read these books many [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► times I would [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► really interested to hear if somebody I [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► just can't imagine that a lot of people [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► are picking it up if they're not already [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► fans of the series but I imagine there [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► must be some people out there somewhere [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► who are court reading it for the first [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► time I got can you imagine anybody [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► reading this and having makes sense if [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► they hadn't read the others [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► well I i do know that this is her first [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► book that has appeared on the new york [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► times bestseller was the expanded list [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► so a lot of people are buying it [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► I I can i if this was my first entree [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► into this universe i don't think i would [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► have read the other books only because i [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► think i enjoy the book i should say but [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► I think it's kind of light and yeah [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► there's nothing wrong with having a [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► little thin like Ivan I don't know if [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► I've been is a character who I would [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► care about as a main character if I [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► hadn't read all the other books and kind [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► of been like oh I mean he's kind of [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► funny [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► I wonder what he would do in all these [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► situations ah so I have that back story [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► about him and I know how he's reacting [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► and all these other things so i can see [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► him in these situations and it makes [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► sense but if I were and obviously I [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► can't read the other book so i don't [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► know if this would actually be the case [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► but i have a feeling that this is not [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► the best introduction to this series i [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► think it's great for the fans and for [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► people who have read already because you [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► know like you guys said it's like you're [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► meeting your friends again and you're [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► seeing a different side of these books [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► because it's very different than you [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► know a miles adventure so that's a very [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► interesting take on it but uh yeah I [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► think it would [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► it's not a great honor first country [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► yeah yeah he was nice about ivan is that [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► he's he's reluctant and and you know I [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► don't know if you could carry on carry [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► off a lot of books but i think it's fun [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► to compare it to a miles kind of like a [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► jumping in and and taking control of the [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► situation and instead I've been really [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► wants to not be in the situation but uh [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► one of the things i always liked about [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► the first two books at is that reading [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► the first two books that had that had [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► miles parents as the main characters is [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► now when i read all these other books i [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► had this strange perspective of saying [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► thinking like I remember [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► you kids I'd I knew your parents right i [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► remember when when when you know what [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► that way back when before you were even [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► born and with Ivan I you know it works [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► better you're right Scott when because [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► we know I fun and we've seen him in [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► other situations and then make reference [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► to a lot of his situations like when he [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► was trapped in the with the rising water [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► on Earth and all of that when he was in [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► danger but the thing about Ivan that I [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► remember the most and it and its [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► reference really nicely in here is his [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► birth which is at the time is is just [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► part of this dramatic scene in Bari are [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► I think the second book [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► yeah chronologically in the series not [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► the second book published because that's [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► extra confusing and won the hugo award [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► and he's born his his his his father is [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► gunned down during this rebellion and [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► then his mother gives birth and they [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► have to they're fleeing the you know the [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► troops basically and its really dramatic [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► and it's also very sad because his [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► father doesn't make it out and so that [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► there's the sad introduction to to Ivan [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► and his family too and then he becomes [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► kind of a funny character but but [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► there's this darkness at the you know [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► has his mother is a widow and and and [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► that's all part of his story and in this [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► book they actually have this ceremony at [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► the location where his father was gunned [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► down and you see the side his and his [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► mother who is kind of a comedic figure [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► to UM in most of these books you see her [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► having that taking that time about her [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► husband who's been dead for 35 years or [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► for 40 years and i really like that and [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► again i'm not sure that has any payoff [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► if you haven't read the other books but [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► the power of having read all this [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► material and it's having having them go [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► back there to that Street it is it is [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► really kind of amazing I mean to me it [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► shows the power of a book series and how [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► they they can multiply in a way that a [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► single novel can't like a like a [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► long-running TV show or something you [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► are comic book series right now it's [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► very rewarding to see things that are [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► reference to things that happened a [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► really long time ago you know and to be [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► rewarded for paying attention right you [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► know to think oh yeah I remember that [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► scene you know that i saw that happen [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► yeah there's a plaque on the street [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► where that thing that I saw happen [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► it's now history and I think there is [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► something that is one of the things I [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► love the most about these books is that [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► there are those little things that make [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► it feel like such a fleshed-out world [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► because you're seeing these references [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► to things that happen and you know it is [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► even if it's not as long as that even if [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► the time and are you know between the [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► actual books is not as long as the [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► events that have transpired in them [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► it's still also you know there's a lot [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► of longevity here I mean that you know [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► barrio was published in in 20 years ago [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► so you know even even though it's not [TS]

00:29:08 ◼   ► you know as long as it is in the books [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► that's still really long time to [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► maintain sort of a whole story and the I [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► mean the entire world still feels very [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► modern in a way or just her her universe [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► like you don't you don't go back to Bari [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► are and look at four patrols Alliance [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► and say oh this material feels really [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► dated like it was written 20 years ago [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► its it flows very very naturally from [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► book to book I don't know if new readers [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► will find Ivan's book is a jumping on [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► point for the series but I definitely [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► think if this is the first book that I [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► picked up i would be interested in [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► reading more by her it's because she has [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► she has such an interesting style even [TS]

00:29:53 ◼   ► with ivan who is admittedly ivan is the [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► you know the comic relief in the funny [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► character of of the series but her [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► ability to shift between viewpoints and [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► really nail not only the inner monologue [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► of a character and the speaking of a [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► character but just the way chapters are [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► phrased and even sections of chapters [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► are phrase depending on what viewpoint [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► there in she has a remarkable knack for [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► being able to hammer down very specific [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► character types within the within the [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► chapters and within the books and so you [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► immediately know even before there's a [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► he or a she or a thought or you know you [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► immediately know who's narrating that [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► second that chapter or that section of [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► the book because we go back and forth [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► between Ivan and his well his friends [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► just like what rapidly his wife with tej [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► as we say lady for patrolling had [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► maybe Border Patrol we're not gonna try [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► and pronounce her full name [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► no it's a mouthful it's like a lot of [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► Ivan for doing it it's long because it's [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► jacksonian and also see ganden right so [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► it's yeah and also 1001 baby names from [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► older something like that something like [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► that but it is it is cute because you've [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► got the back-and-forth of Ivan [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► intelligence uh perspectives even within [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► chapters though show move back and forth [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► and that's that's part of the finding [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► that it's almost Scott you said it was [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► light I mean it it's almost like [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► watching a Shakespeare comedy in a way [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► because it really is it like i said they [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► don't meet cute they marry cute but it's [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► that same thing right it's like they [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► meet and then there's this marriage that [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► shouldn't have happened but had to [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► happen and then they get to know each [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► other and and and it's inside out seeing [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► each other from one another's eyes is [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► kind of funny seeing bari are from her [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► perspective and also the fact that she's [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► not a she's not a complete innocent [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► because she's part of this family thats [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► the in this in this kind of ruthless [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► Jackson Hole system where there where [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► and and her poor families a real piece [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► of work and it's actually kind of [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► interesting that she's she's kind of the [TS]

00:32:05 ◼   ► least minneapolis yeah yeah she's sort [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► of a rebel in that she doesn't want to [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► be as awful as some of the other people [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► might be and so it you know it's it's [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► it's funny I like I like you know it is [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► light because that's why I keep coming [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► to the Shakespearean comedy it's like [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► you've got this collection of players [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► and their families on both sides and the [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► family's all have agendas but it's never [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► you know too heavy it's it's much more [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► the kind of the fun of seeing how they [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► all interact and and increasingly bad [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► things happen and but there was resolved [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► there's not a huge amount of Jeopardy I [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► feel there are a couple moments of [TS]

00:32:41 ◼   ► jeopardy but it's much more kind of [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► light and and fun and then than anything [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► else I think it's funny that you say [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► Shakespearean because I was definitely [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► getting a strong taming of the shrew [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► five in places when I was first starting [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► to read the book while in and civil [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► campaign is also extremely comedy of [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► errors like yeah you know if there's a [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► whole sort of element there you know [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► slap sticky misunderstandings and you [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► know double entendre is in that kind of [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► stuff so you know there's clearly [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► there's clearly a homage to that sort of [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► that sort of storytelling right so let's [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► say I don't know how to proceed from [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► here because ryan hasn't read the rest [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► of the book and has read it and we have [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► half of it yet [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► yes so I I stopped reading so i'll just [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► give you that in advance i stopped [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► reading right as they're arriving on [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► Bari are all right so we can talk about [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► anything before then yeah I assume so I [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► mean barrios a fairly quiet plan suffice [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► it to say that they visit where is [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► father was killed I've given that away [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► now but still it's nice yeah [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► yes I'm sure it is it's a lovely street [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► that there's a plaque so lovely [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► streetwear death and murder once happy [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► yes even ivan was born in like a [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► warehouse nearby so yeah I is today Ivan [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► one of the things I really enjoyed in [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► this book was getting the you get the [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► you get a look at what Ivan does for a [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► living right in this case is he sort of [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► an ad comp to an admiral and he's [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► actually pretty good at his job right [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► like he's basically a glorified you know [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► personal assistant but you get an idea [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► that he's very competent and you know [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► takes a certain amount of pride in his [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► work and even if he's not the you know [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► that you know an insect weasel as you [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► might say with the university like the [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► spies and the security officers running [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► around he's very happy to be doing [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► exactly what he's doing because you know [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► it provides him with just the right [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► amount of work versus responsibility and [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► I think you know it's it's tempting to [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► picture i've been especially from [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► earlier books as kind of a you know [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► layabout ne'er do well and it's it's [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► interesting when you get into his head [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► because he is a very different character [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► than he is then he portrays himself [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► right because he has this whole facade [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► going and so you know in the beginning [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► of this book we get we get a much better [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► idea being inside his head of what his [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► life is actually like and there is i [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► want to do you want to pick out another [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► great line you know this might give [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► something away it's not too much but [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► there's a line later on [TS]

00:35:16 ◼   ► where I think by rly ask something about [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► like what you you always seem to have [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► all these girlfriends hanging on and he [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► thinks you know so you've been very [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► successful than like what's the secret [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► and he thinks to himself you know nobody [TS]

00:35:29 ◼   ► ever realizes that if you have a lot of [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► girlfriends and entails break up with a [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► lot of weakness which I thought was a [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► tied-up just a great point at you know [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► this guy who is basically my texts [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► really be considered a womanizer and yet [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► you get the idea that everything is [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► pretty amicable and these things like he [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► has these relationships that disorder [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► don't go anywhere but he's not quite the [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► Playboy that you'd think he was right [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► well you've got a lot of visions of evan [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► from other characters you don't really [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► get him and you get sort of his outside [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► portrayal to other characters and they [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► just they take that image and run with [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► it and that's the only perspective that [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► we see but when you're in Ivan's head [TS]

00:36:15 ◼   ► all the time it's very easy to see that [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► he's not and he's not a womanizer he's [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► not a slacker [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► he just happens to be a band who you [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► know who's very well-versed in dating [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► and who is very good at his job and just [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► not passionate about advancement I mean [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► there's a thing early on where he's [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► talking about [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► I need to figure out how I can be [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► captain for patrol forever you know he's [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► he's I mean that's really the key and I [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► i didn't get all of this i think there's [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► some insight that I got into this [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► character that I didn't get from all [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► these other books which is he is quite [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► actively evading everything right [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► he's evading long-term relationships [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► with women he's not just having lots of [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► relationships with women he's evading [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► marrying all right yeah right [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► he's evading a sec which it you know [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► which he could work in and in fact in [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► this book that there's a there's sort of [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► a you could come work at him second he's [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► like no no I don't want to do that [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► that's what miles did I don't want to be [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► that and then there's this other thing [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► which is that because of his family up [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► until Emperor Gregor had kids he was [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► potentially politically if something [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► happened [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► regular or if there was a rebellion of [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► some kind of a possible Emperor right [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► he's he's third in line yeah he's got [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► it's basically arrow miles and him yet [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► so he's he and he doesn't want any of [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► that either so he wants to be it was to [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► do a good job he wants to live his life [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► and have a good time but more than [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► anything else he doesn't want what all [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► these other people who are characters in [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► books in this series have he doesn't [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► want to be the Imperial security expert [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► he doesn't want to have the rollicking [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► miles adventures he doesn't want to be [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► the Emperor or or beam you know married [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► into all the bar erm politics and family [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► you know connections and things like [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► that he just doesn't want to do that he [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► wants he's independent but he's not [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► independent in a kind of brash i'm gonna [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► live my own life kind of watch me i'm a [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► rebel he's that he's like the other one [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► which is I'm just going to fade away I [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► want to fade away into the woodwork and [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► not be bothered [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► leave me alone he doesn't want to be [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► noticed and I mean if we look at what [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► happens to the people in this series who [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► do get noticed they get put in grave [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► danger and I did show occasionally yeah [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► come back to life [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► I mean first you look at ya frozen [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► garden and every time I over and [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► involves I've been in one of his [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► adventures bad things and if yes [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► you can't believe no no it makes perfect [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► sense for I've into one has been proven [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► right well I think that's why we all [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► feel so sympathetic to the right we see [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► the fact that is dragged into these [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► things that get poor Ivan that's that's [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► the third right you know i would I [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► remember talking about this with my my [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► cousin who is the person who introduced [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► me to the books are just sit around and [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► chat about the books and and she would [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► always say poor Ivan you get when he's [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► gonna find a girl [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► well hey maybe we have a sister that's [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► what his mother was asking all right [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► when you have any other thoughts about [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► the book that you'd like to share before [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► we hang up on you and then spoil what [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► happens only that there's a lovely [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► little moment or we get to see Ivan sort [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► of not necessarily dedication to work [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► but his general idea of a workday which [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► is his sorting the snakes sexually and I [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► just I find that very charming [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► it's a lovely little determine of ya [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► yes very snake-charming I i really like [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► that that part and and see the fact that [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► he's gone so far into the metaphor as to [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► create different categories of sparing [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► poisonous snakes yes that that his [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► Admiral has to deal with so I found that [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► very nice i'm looking forward to redress [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► the book and now I will leave you to go [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► do that and you guys can talk and spoil [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► everything you listen to the rest of the [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► podcast but when you're done [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► yes alright well bid you all right [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► thanks for thanks for being on MH [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► goodbye goodbye live from disneyland [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► that was no with 67 she's home from [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► disneyland that was certainly Caldwell [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► hey we can spoil everything else today [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► so in the end and you wouldn't have seen [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► it coming in the end these two crazy [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► kids who got married for expedient [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► reasons end up falling in love and [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► decided to stay together after all [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► wait i thought they thought they [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► accidentally each committed suicide [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► thinking that the other was already haha [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► yes the common mistake [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► it does it does happen free shakespeare [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► in there too you know one of that one of [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► the scenes that made me laugh the most [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► was the scene where they're going to the [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► to the the Lord who's the judge who's [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► going to unmarry them [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► yeah and they're like it'll be easy it's [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► holiday it's all formality and I'm [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► sitting there going guys do not know [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► you're in a book this this is not gonna [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► go this is not gonna go well I also like [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► that that's done for almost no reason [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► like other than just that characters [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► like man I just gotta want to screw with [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► no no it's because it's because of [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► Ivan's mom because again they're all [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► related because they're all part of the [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► same family Ivan's mom calls him in [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► advance and says don't let them not get [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► married I think that's that it's in [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► there it's like right to my mother [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► yes I did talk to mother know my mother [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► won't let me not be married exactly but [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► it's again it's it's not i don't know [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► it's one of those things that it's not [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► exactly contrived but it feels like I [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► think that's gonna done kind of [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► capriciously [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► yeah even with his mother doing us being [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► like it's time it's time that you [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► learned a few things [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► yeah but again it's just all from its [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► done for Laughs I mean because of the [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► characters are like oh yeah we've got [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► this lockdown and and the other as the [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► audience you're not meant to think of [TS]

00:42:04 ◼   ► this is a plot twist right it's it's [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► it's really wanna go man [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► here we go yeah I know what's coming [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► here and it's funny I was annoyed about [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► generally like i said i enjoyed the book [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► I was annoyed that there's a character [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► with a nickname by because that just [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► confused me every time ever it maybe [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► just I'm just stupid but I was confused [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► i thought why is the sentence start with [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► x and then I'm gonna go it's the guy's [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► name it so nice is by early for routier [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► I'm richer [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► yeah yeah who's related to a terrible [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► there is a virtue earlier who's a [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► horrible character right [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► oh there's there's many many right but [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► he's an ass exception because people [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► think he is but he's not yeah of course [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► he turns out to be someone more [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► conscientious another playboy who [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► yeah and in a Shakespeare kind of [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► fashion again you have the second couple [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► stories are happening in the background [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► of the first couple with that it's [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► probably not just Shakespeare you know [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► it's also like a forest kind of [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► construction but you've got you've got [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► buy-in rich and he keeps trying to plant [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► bugs on her [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► yes because he's trying to spy on on on [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► her and so she can of course she keeps [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► finding them and disabling them but [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► they're in love [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► anyway it's been nice what yes so what's [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► what's interesting about this book is [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► that you know what you get about I would [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► say about what sixty percent the way [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► through and it does take a left turn [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► right because we start we moved from [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► being this thing that's purely about a [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► comedy to there's a there's a plot [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► yes I was something has to happen [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► something must happen I mean I i would [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► happily have read and continue reading [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► the book just watching i begin 21 [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► trouble after another but i understand [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► that that's not necessarily compelling [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► for everybody actually one of the things [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► I appreciate about but this plot is that [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► the plot was not I thought this was [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► going to be that they escaped to Bari [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► are and then the bad people who are [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► trying to kill her family do something [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► and get them in trouble and they have to [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► sit saver and it was [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► going to be that was going to be what it [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► was it was connected by a little bit [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► paint-by-numbers yeah I i just i was [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► concerned that it was gonna be one of [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► those things and instead again she goes [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► for the family drama thing where her [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► family shows up and they're awful [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► they're awful people not all there i [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► mean they're they're in nature of their [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► circumstance right well they're there [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► they're from Jackson's hole and they're [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► also saw the schemers and they're also [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► on the run so they're desperate right [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► and they have this they have this plan [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► to go look for a volt yes with the [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► treasure basically buried treasure under [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► bar er which leads to more laughter when [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► it's discovered that the buried treasure [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► is under the massive spy complex at the [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► heart of the Empire just where you want [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► to go digging which I which is great [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► it's one of those it again it is a [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► farcical I move right because it's like [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► oh well this won't be too much trouble [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► we'll just find this old vault that the [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► grandmother used to work at during the [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► occupation and we'll just dig it up and [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► we'll be on our way [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► oh yes can you tell you here's this [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► building that i would like to see where [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► that was can you take me there and they [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► go to their ugly building next to it so [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► that's that Imperial security [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► headquarters [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► oh it's going to be hard yeah yeah and [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► then they they hit the end so then [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► there's a so you've got the the family [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► dynamics because Ted is not really well [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► treated by her family she's the little [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► she's a little list you know she's the [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► youngest and she's it the least kind of [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► like likely to become a double-crossing [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► trader person and she's married a guy [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► from a backwater planet [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► yeah oh the who is a the embarrassment [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► noble but but potentially in line for [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► the throne so maybe at the end but you [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► might be able to lie I have to say I [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► really enjoyed her father [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► oh yeah the expired who is somehow [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► stumbled into you know he married into [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► the being becoming a barren right yeah [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► of a small jacksonian family but he's [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► got i really enjoy him because even [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► though he is scheming he loves his [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► daughters he loves young way that his [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► wife does not right and he's also he's [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► arranged [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► he's very jolly he's very kind of bluff [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► and you know [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► unassuming to a certain extent was just [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► like you know this is my thing I do my [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► thing and the end and that you know runs [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► up against one of my other favorite [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► bujold characters to make an appearance [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► here who is Simon million the former [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► head of the Imperial Security Service [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► what the hell Simon with hello Simon who [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► basically engages in a bet with him that [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► he can't break into the vaults rather [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► than actually alerting security they [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► make a bet [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► I mean I just love the idea that you [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► know you've got Simon who you know [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► famously an in-memory which is my [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► favorite book in the series loses the [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► memory chip that he has in his head that [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► basically gives him perfect recall and [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► so becomes everyone sort of thinks of is [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► becoming this daughter an old clueless [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► guy when in fact yeah he's got some [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► memory problems but he's really sharp [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► still right you know he's still he's [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► still a clever guy because he was in [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► charge of the spy service for you know [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► decades and but you get the impression [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► that he's he's bored right like that's [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► all there is to it is just he is bored [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► with having this life where he just got [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► he's basically so he's a sort of you [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► know tired sort of tired he's not [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► married to ivans mother but there's kind [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► of this year they're living there living [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► together basically and what we learned [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► from this is that is that he he's better [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► off better than he's letting on and that [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► he actually you know there may be more [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► for him to do in his life right hehe is [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► kind of come to grips which is also nice [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► because having read if you again the [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► richness of having read these other [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► books have read memory you know kind of [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► the story with this character is gone [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► and this is almost you know there's some [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► Redemption happening here where is like [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► you know you know I'm not useless I've [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► got I just because i don't have the [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► perfect memory anymore their stuff i can [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► do i can play a part in all of this and [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► he does right and it's nice to get a [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► view of him that is not colored by him [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► being sort of forced to be miles boss [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► yeah and having to be the pushback the [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► straight man sort of 22 miles of schemes [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► yeah exactly and so in this time he gets [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► a chance to sort of cut loose a little [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► bit and and play it play it fast and [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► loose [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► which works out not-so-great yeah yeah [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► so what's that mean again it's this plot [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► the way that it goes you get the family [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► dynamic and then you get this heist [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► thing right where they're they're going [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► to pull off the heist it's totally not [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► what i expected going to pull off the [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► heist and under the under the insect [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► headquarters and and they and then [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► there's you know there's like the [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► biological weapon of the burrowing stuff [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► that they would you want to dig when you [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► can just unleash this untested organism [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► that will eat the dirt for you [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► what could go wrong yeah well you don't [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► you can't dig because the sensors will [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► pick it up but that organism we'll just [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► yeah and so that leads and then yes [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► there is a double-cross and and and all [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► that but you never really get I I you [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► know he's never really get a sense the [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► characters think they're in danger but [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► no nobody else does write the readers [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► don't think they're really in danger now [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► it's it's one of those is one of those [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► plots where you know everybody will make [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► it out in the end it's not that kind of [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► book right you know the tone is set if [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► they'd taken a left turn it really had [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► become become something where lives are [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► at stake right like that wouldn't have [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► worked it would have felt strangely it [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► would have felt contrived and it would [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► have felt like oh yeah you're just [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► trying to make this more interesting [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► book week it so it's you know it's a [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► romp yeah and there's nothing wrong I [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► mean that that's actually one of the [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► things that I found really charming [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► about it is that it's nice to read a [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► story like this i ated been a little [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► while before i read a book that I just [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► wanted to rip through as fast as i can [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► and am I we were talking about this that [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► you want to read it and then you you [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► also keep saying to yourself never [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► slowed down because there's not going to [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► be another one of these books for years [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► so i gotta slow down and enjoy my time [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► with this and yet i really wanted to [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► just keep on I want to keep on going [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► because it was so much fun just to do [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► you mean it's a rob it is it was just [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► it's fun and it's like 10 slow down her [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► sling it out as we as i went to just [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► sort of try and make sure that I you [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► know could read it over at least you [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► know a week or two so the headquarters [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► building collapses at the end which the [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► final I I thought wishes down into the [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► mud [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► I thought that was hilarious be like as [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► soon as a couple because they keep going [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► on about and then special assignment who [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► is like god I thought this is the [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► ugliest building ever i really just I [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► tried to get ready get a reply [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► under your budget whereas you in and so [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► it's and it's the setup is perfect and [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► not really thinking about that and [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► they're like they've been taking away [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► and then they have to go get trapped in [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► there and they have to dig them out and [TS]

00:50:49 ◼   ► then everyone's like how great we we did [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► everything and it's a great scene with [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► Gregor like I don't really look at this [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► building it seems kind of tilted to the [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► whole thing just comes down and and [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► Simon is like really likes start [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► laughing out [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► yeah haha she's that was i couldnae the [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► picture by head was just so vivid that I [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► is great [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► Gregor get some nice pieces in here too [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► it's nice to see him as you know [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► grown-up and and being all you know [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► Imperial my bad shape right competent [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► and he just he's clearly he's clearly [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► the best i think they sort of alluded to [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► this in some of the previous you know [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► books but he's clearly the right guy for [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► the yeah right you know he knows what [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► he's doing that's one of the things I [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► liked about the previous books is that [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► is that we start with kind of an insane [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► Emperor and you thinking you know it's [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► going to be one of those things it's [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► gonna be like Joffrey and Game of [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► Thrones right where you're like oh geez [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► things are gonna go really bad when this [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► kid is the Emperor and it turns out [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► actually that unlike most of the rest of [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► his family [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► Gregor is a you know he gets through and [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► is and is a good Emperor and does a good [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► job and and mostly because miles is dad [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► was you know a good Guardian and and [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► helped you know steer him in the right [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► direction but he's also a good person [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► who's the right guy for the job right [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► yeah I like that part I like that I like [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► that we do get to see miles briefly it's [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► nice to that we get a that we get a [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► cameo from him that that doesn't manage [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► to overwhelm the book [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► why do we see him I don't think he's at [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► the he's at the advice in the dinner [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► they come to that they come to see [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► Gregor at his house and we get him and [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► Catherine we're chasing the kids around [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► gray have you know we have a brief scene [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► and we have a lot of scenes were miles [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► is like laughing you know into his into [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► his hand at at the kind of stuff is [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► going [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► there's also a lot of talk around miles [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► because sure there's this there's the [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► suggested earlier on [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► there's the part where you know tester [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► someone remembers this one that you know [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► the house that gets taken down by this [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► one room [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► guiyang like that that smile weird about [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► yes [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► yeah it's like it's nice to see all the [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► things like because they they echo [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► there's a lot of stuff from previous [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► books that echoes through that again is [TS]

00:53:02 ◼   ► rewarding even if its and it plays into [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► a way that makes sense right guys we [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► know that was miles to take down but we [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► never get a point at which he's like oh [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► yeah that was me i took this pic this [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► house like right like she acts sort of [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► realistically like he was a spy right he [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► was working undercover so he's not gonna [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► he's killed sort of alluded to having [TS]

00:53:18 ◼   ► been there but you know he's not going [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► to talk about what he did we get the [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► stuff where I like the bits were where [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► you know I've been talking about being [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► on set ganda yeah and kind of impresses [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► the grandmother you know with the fact [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► that he's like oh well you've actually [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► you know been to my home world and met [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► all they'd be high class [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► yeah the the whole ladies and all that [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► right where all the ladies are in the [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► bubbles right and so in that stuff plays [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► in right you know there's there's [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► references that that helped remind you [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► that the stuff that would logically come [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► up in these conversations because we've [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► seen them happen actually do come up [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► because that is one of those things that [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► frustrates me when I read and like [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► someone up to sleep doesn't remember [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► something that clearly they should [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► remember you know you're reading a book [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► and they're like oh but you know who [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► clearly remember that you know [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► oh and again Skywalker c-3po you that [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► never came up again now so and i like [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► that so you know it sounds so Scott you [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► said you you would necessarily have read [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► other books in the series if it had been [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► your first but that because you've read [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► the others you this is very complicated [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► but you liked it [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► yes I i did like it i mean i know in our [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► last podcast i complained about how I [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► thought miles was an annoying character [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► right reading this book made me [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► appreciate miles as a character because [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► I he is much more active so is not [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► really you guys we talked about ivan is [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► not looking for adventure he is not he [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► doesn't want to be the center of [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► attention which makes him an interesting [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► character when there's somebody who is [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► doing stuff and so stuff happens Ivan [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► which is ok funny but I don't [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► it was a quick read it was fun I like [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► the characters [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► she's good writer I just obviously i [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► don't i don't know i don't think i've [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► been can carry another book this is like [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► the most momentous thing that ever [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► happens dive and that doesn't involve [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► miles right i mean that's sort of the [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► sense i get as well but there was that [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► time where you know how did you two meet [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► right it's like well okay this is how [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► how how what is how i met your mother [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► what would it take for Ivan to to get [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► married and this is the answer this is [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► the book that answers that it's a series [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► of ridiculous event would have to do it [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► by accident [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► yeah right that's the only way it would [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► work and and yeah I don't think I expect [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► there to be many look I don't I read [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► another book I mean I i look forward to [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► seeing him in a future book as a side [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► character but I I oh yeah I think he's a [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► great character but he's not a main [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► character so Dan you said that a at lois [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► mcmaster Pujols reading she said you [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► said to me privately not in a previous [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► episode that she is working on something [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► involving miles [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► yeah there's a she's writing a novella [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► to be released it i think someone in [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► determining point but she read the first [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► sort of section of a mini novel is it [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► isn't set after cranbourne know it is [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► set before crime as this we should [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► mention this is also set before cry burn [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► so so we're going with you know she's [TS]

00:56:21 ◼   ► right again continues to write out of [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► sequence and ending in cryo burn you [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► know some momentous things happen at the [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► very end and at that you really should [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► know about because if you're listening [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► to this you really must have read it [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► right but I'm she doesn't seem to get [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► it's interesting because it's I wonder [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► she said before that she felt like that [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► was in some ways the end of miles a [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► story and so it's interesting that maybe [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► she's yeah she's writing in coloring in [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► other corners again and I think you let [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► you know as without many other writers [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► who have hurt a thing well you know if [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► the idea comes to me and I find [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► something I want to write about that i [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► will write another story but you know [TS]

00:57:01 ◼   ► i'm not planning necessarily to to write [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► something else and so I think this story [TS]

00:57:07 ◼   ► takes place i don't i don't know what [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► the entire thrust of it is i can tell [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► you that the section that she read deals [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► with [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► as you write might remember there's the [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► section of there's the land that miles [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► owns that's all radioactive right and so [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► should you it deals with them trying to [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► use the do you remember the bugs from [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► civil contain the butter trying to get [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► them to eat up all the radiator [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► irradiated or at least they're testing [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► them and trying to get them to eat [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► irradiated stuff and clean it out [TS]

00:57:37 ◼   ► basically [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► so that's what the whole first service [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► section deals with a trip that he and [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► Katherine and turnover if there's [TS]

00:57:45 ◼   ► someone else in there will regain the [TS]

00:57:48 ◼   ► scientist who developed the bugs are [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► sort of tailing and seeing how this put [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► how this project is going i feel like [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► there are lots of stories for her to [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► tell that don't involve miles in this [TS]

00:57:57 ◼   ► universe that our little sitting out [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► there there are lots of questions about [TS]

00:58:00 ◼   ► what miles is clone brother Mark is [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► doing [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► yep with his girlfriend yet he gets a [TS]

00:58:08 ◼   ► couple nods in this book I like [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► preemptively that he behind that he buys [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► em sexo you can show that you're into a [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► boat [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► yeah yeah yeah look like a themed hotel [TS]

00:58:18 ◼   ► you can stay the night at one of the [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► interrogation cells that's that's really [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► fun i feel like there's there's some [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► stuff to be told there and I also kind [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► of feel like she keeps hinting that [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► there's a story about arrow and Cordelia [TS]

00:58:32 ◼   ► yeah answer gr surgery circular this [TS]

00:58:35 ◼   ► this barren planet that they're going to [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► where he is the Viceroy because we've [TS]

00:58:39 ◼   ► seen them kind of flipped in and out of [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► there but we haven't I don't think we [TS]

00:58:44 ◼   ► haven't seen them at all since the Civil [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► campaign i think is the last time they [TS]

00:58:46 ◼   ► actually appear right but they're [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► clearly you know they're there multiple [TS]

00:58:51 ◼   ► references to other their kind of [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► enjoying their semi-retirement yeah yeah [TS]

00:58:57 ◼   ► but so I feel like that you know there [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► are other characters that you know Ivan [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► decide that that would be interesting [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► for her to write things about AI guess [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► you know in the end she just has to come [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► up with a story that she thinks it's [TS]

00:59:08 ◼   ► worth writing but it's encouraging when [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► I saw her at a world con last year you [TS]

00:59:16 ◼   ► know i got it felt to me like she wasn't [TS]

00:59:17 ◼   ► gonna write miles stuff again and that [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► ivan was her chance to play in this [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► universe without mile so it really [TS]

00:59:23 ◼   ► encouraging that she's reading this [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► novel [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► la involving miles and maybe what she's [TS]

00:59:28 ◼   ► really saying is that she's having a [TS]

00:59:29 ◼   ► hard time seeing how she writes beyond [TS]

00:59:31 ◼   ► the end of crying over and although i [TS]

00:59:33 ◼   ► find that funny because I actually have [TS]

00:59:35 ◼   ► always assumed that the natural capstone [TS]

00:59:37 ◼   ► of this entire thing this entire story [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► is that miles goes back to to Bari r and [TS]

00:59:45 ◼   ► ends up basically being the advisor you [TS]

00:59:48 ◼   ► know that the number one adviser to the [TS]

00:59:50 ◼   ► Emperor just like his dad was right and [TS]

00:59:55 ◼   ► I mean and that and because we get a [TS]

00:59:56 ◼   ► whole bunch of the series of his life [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► where he's in all these different roles [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► where he's in all these different roles [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► right you know whether it be Admiral [TS]

01:00:02 ◼   ► Naismith or you know Lord Lieutenant [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► Burk goes again or Lord auditor virgos [TS]

01:00:07 ◼   ► again and so there is the issue of well [TS]

01:00:10 ◼   ► what does you know count miles for music [TS]

01:00:12 ◼   ► in you know look like as a character [TS]

01:00:15 ◼   ► count miles were closed again and [TS]

01:00:17 ◼   ► Emperor Gregor you know as older fellows [TS]

01:00:20 ◼   ► with family you know I i would love to [TS]

01:00:23 ◼   ► see as a cap stone you know a last book [TS]

01:00:27 ◼   ► chronologically in this series [TS]