The Incomparable

116: Very Well-Read Hobos


00:00:01   the entire purple number 160 November 20 [TS]

00:00:07   well [TS]

00:00:08   welcome back to be interoperable podcast [TS]

00:00:10   this is jason snail and we are doing a [TS]

00:00:13   podcast this week that you asked for [TS]

00:00:15   you asked for it especially if your name [TS]

00:00:18   is and i'm going to completely put your [TS]

00:00:20   this name I feel like John Syracuse on [TS]

00:00:21   that for critical who butchers the names [TS]

00:00:23   of everybody some feedback proton [TS]

00:00:25   stopped have is the name way to have an [TS]

00:00:29   easy name by the way and it says hey and [TS]

00:00:32   comparables I love your shows and I [TS]

00:00:34   choose books to read mainly based on [TS]

00:00:36   your recommendations which is awesome [TS]

00:00:37   which basically means Scott's [TS]

00:00:38   recommendation so good job Scott McNulty [TS]

00:00:40   who joins me hi Scott [TS]

00:00:42   you're welcome I'm introducing you in [TS]

00:00:44   the middle of proton studies mail [TS]

00:00:47   because why not it's a what [TS]

00:00:49   why not he's just a loyal listener we [TS]

00:00:51   might as well be a little bit as much as [TS]

00:00:53   possible [TS]

00:00:54   have you considered doing a show about [TS]

00:00:58   how you read since a big portion of the [TS]

00:01:02   episodes deal with books it seems [TS]

00:01:03   natural to have a show about your [TS]

00:01:05   preferences ebook or paperback favorite [TS]

00:01:07   time to read style etc thanks and good [TS]

00:01:11   luck [TS]

00:01:12   I like that that's like you know what if [TS]

00:01:14   you actually listen to me you are [TS]

00:01:15   totally screwed but here we are we [TS]

00:01:17   listened to you and and that's the topic [TS]

00:01:20   and we'll talk also about what we're [TS]

00:01:22   reading also joining me in addition to [TS]

00:01:24   Scott McNulty who is the man who tells [TS]

00:01:25   us what to read most of the time are two [TS]

00:01:28   men who are highly well-read Dan Morgan [TS]

00:01:31   hi Dan [TS]

00:01:32   alright Jason I'm here to read books and [TS]

00:01:36   chew bubblegum I'm all out above them [TS]

00:01:38   all right well then books it is and it [TS]

00:01:41   turns out he hasn't seen it but he has [TS]

00:01:43   read it it's lex friedman hi Lex I Jason [TS]

00:01:46   I I haven't seen it because I've been [TS]

00:01:48   too busy reading I I Reading Is [TS]

00:01:51   Fundamental he read the novelization of [TS]

00:01:53   it right I really yeah that's gonna [TS]

00:01:55   haven't seen the Star Wars but I've read [TS]

00:01:56   ahead at the bookstore was something [TS]

00:01:58   books it's close it's the same really [TS]

00:02:00   yes it's really exactly the same but [TS]

00:02:03   John Serkis just had a minor stroke out [TS]

00:02:05   there but it's not the same [TS]

00:02:07   that's good that's a good syracuse [TS]

00:02:09   actually i haven't told that sounds like [TS]

00:02:11   him [TS]

00:02:12   that's true that's true there's a moment [TS]

00:02:14   in the last week's podcast that was a [TS]

00:02:16   one of those moments where he gets a [TS]

00:02:18   little bit randy anything no it's not [TS]

00:02:20   like that [TS]

00:02:22   that's as great a pure John syracuse it [TS]

00:02:24   but anyway John isn't here because he's [TS]

00:02:26   a very slow reader and so he didn't want [TS]

00:02:28   to be on this podcast he it's true hehe [TS]

00:02:32   you take some time to read so he reads [TS]

00:02:34   these thousand-page book so it takes [TS]

00:02:35   like six months i gave him a book to [TS]

00:02:37   read about nine months ago and he [TS]

00:02:40   assured me that he was nearing the [TS]

00:02:42   one-third months working on it is but [TS]

00:02:44   I'm working on it [TS]

00:02:46   he has never finished one of his own OS [TS]

00:02:48   10 reviews no I'm not here I believe he [TS]

00:02:50   writes faster than he reads in fact that [TS]

00:02:54   his heart not hard to believe it is [TS]

00:02:55   amazing so pretend status email I how do [TS]

00:03:01   we read I I think I thought that was an [TS]

00:03:02   interesting topic because i switch to a [TS]

00:03:05   kindle a couple of years ago my last [TS]

00:03:08   paper book was a Neal Stephenson book it [TS]

00:03:11   was a anthem which weighs about three [TS]

00:03:14   pounds in hardcover and I said I'm never [TS]

00:03:18   doing this again and I got I got a [TS]

00:03:20   Kindle and I've actually been reading a [TS]

00:03:22   whole lot more sense then i I'm I'm a [TS]

00:03:26   public transit commuter and so I've got [TS]

00:03:29   about 45 minutes to an hour every [TS]

00:03:31   morning and every evening on the bus so [TS]

00:03:34   when I got the kindle i switch my [TS]

00:03:35   newspaper subscription to uh to the [TS]

00:03:37   kindle version and I started buying [TS]

00:03:39   books on the kindle and I I didn't bring [TS]

00:03:42   novels are things with me when I woodham [TS]

00:03:44   when I would go on the bus i just would [TS]

00:03:46   be like especially three-pound [TS]

00:03:47   hardcovers right so now just read this [TS]

00:03:49   one at home and i ended up reading a [TS]

00:03:51   whole lot more and buying a whole lot [TS]

00:03:54   more which I suspect is Amazon's entire [TS]

00:03:56   ploy right [TS]

00:03:57   really it's easy to buy things and then [TS]

00:03:59   I've got like ten books that i haven't [TS]

00:04:01   haven't actually read that i bought that [TS]

00:04:03   are sitting on my kindle but in general [TS]

00:04:05   it's really transformed how I read [TS]

00:04:08   because I i'm reading in places that I [TS]

00:04:10   wouldn't have read before because I [TS]

00:04:11   wouldn't have a book with me but now I [TS]

00:04:13   have my kindle with me or I've got my [TS]

00:04:14   iphone and I can read the same book on [TS]

00:04:15   my iPhone and its really changed how I [TS]

00:04:19   how I read books to the point where I've [TS]

00:04:21   essentially stopped reading paper books [TS]

00:04:22   entirely so that's that sort of the [TS]

00:04:25   overview of my story and i'm curious how [TS]

00:04:27   you guys uh how you guys read where you [TS]

00:04:30   read and [TS]

00:04:31   how that's changed with the advent of [TS]

00:04:33   some of this electronic stuff Scott you [TS]

00:04:35   are our Lord and Master when it comes to [TS]

00:04:37   books and i know you have every reader [TS]

00:04:40   into the Sun so you your purely digital [TS]

00:04:42   now right you don't read paper books [TS]

00:04:44   you've got every ereader ever [TS]

00:04:46   well I one might assume that and I that [TS]

00:04:50   would be a a faulty assumption i know [TS]

00:04:54   it's shocking [TS]

00:04:54   I i do love reading on my kindle and for [TS]

00:04:57   all the reasons you listed and I do have [TS]

00:05:00   more candles than any one person who [TS]

00:05:03   really has no reason to have as many [TS]

00:05:05   kids as i do should i ahh [TS]

00:05:08   although i had to be fair to myself [TS]

00:05:10   since I am talking i do write books [TS]

00:05:13   about candles so if item you buy them at [TS]

00:05:17   multiple cards read them on your kindle [TS]

00:05:19   you could which defeats f1 of my kindle [TS]

00:05:23   books was released only on the kindle [TS]

00:05:25   and nobody bought it because it was a [TS]

00:05:27   book about how to use the kindle if you [TS]

00:05:30   couldn't use your kindle it was you [TS]

00:05:32   couldn't buy them anyway that was a a an [TS]

00:05:36   experiment that failed so I do i do read [TS]

00:05:39   a lot of books on my kindle but also i [TS]

00:05:41   love actual physical books as well and i [TS]

00:05:45   am sitting in a room with probably i [TS]

00:05:47   don't know 1200 books surrounding me and [TS]

00:05:52   there that I would be crushed under [TS]

00:05:54   books and on my desk I have two tablets [TS]

00:05:58   and a book from the library so I i read [TS]

00:06:03   in a variety of ways mostly because used [TS]

00:06:06   books are so darn cheap they're they're [TS]

00:06:08   far cheaper then like if you go into the [TS]

00:06:11   back catalogue generally a used book is [TS]

00:06:13   cheaper than a kindle book so i will buy [TS]

00:06:15   a used book instead of a kindle book if [TS]

00:06:19   I care about saving money and also i can [TS]

00:06:22   use my amazon points to buy physical [TS]

00:06:24   items but not digital items if I if [TS]

00:06:27   Amazon let me use points to buy kindle [TS]

00:06:29   books i buy a lot more kindle books so [TS]

00:06:31   when I was in Portland the summer I went [TS]

00:06:34   to powell's bookstore the city books [TS]

00:06:36   it's beautiful amazing bookstore him [TS]

00:06:38   you've been there Scott right i have [TS]

00:06:40   since your wife is from Oregon see drop [TS]

00:06:43   in the Scottish melty knowledge [TS]

00:06:44   look at you uh and that is such a great [TS]

00:06:47   store and they have used a new books [TS]

00:06:49   together throughout the store so you can [TS]

00:06:50   sort of choose user new and i bought the [TS]

00:06:54   airfare again another Scott McNulty [TS]

00:06:56   recommendation right it's a jasper [TS]

00:06:57   fforde yes it is just before its first [TS]

00:07:01   book in the ones you thursday next [TS]

00:07:04   sunday next friday next thursday [TS]

00:07:07   thursday night opening on friday next [TS]

00:07:08   friday next is a different character [TS]

00:07:10   energy is true so so I'm and that was I [TS]

00:07:12   i actually was in piles and piles has a [TS]

00:07:14   has Wi-Fi they actually have an app that [TS]

00:07:17   gives you a map of the story lets you do [TS]

00:07:19   point-to-point directions if you don't [TS]

00:07:21   know where you are because it's a huge [TS]

00:07:22   store but I looked up what the cost of [TS]

00:07:25   the book was in the the used book was [TS]

00:07:27   cheaper so i bought it and it was weird [TS]

00:07:29   reading paper books again but it was a [TS]

00:07:32   better deal there there's no doubt about [TS]

00:07:34   it and the library right is the best [TS]

00:07:36   deal of all because those books true are [TS]

00:07:37   free [TS]

00:07:38   it is it is a communism but if you can [TS]

00:07:42   if you can get over that it's it's a [TS]

00:07:44   good deal [TS]

00:07:45   yeah it's a good deal but I want them [TS]

00:07:47   back that's the problem i do is we're [TS]

00:07:49   eating them in a window that's always i [TS]

00:07:51   read with the second Patrick Rothfuss [TS]

00:07:55   book which we did a podcast about the [TS]

00:07:57   the wise man's fear that was a library [TS]

00:08:00   book and I read it under pressure [TS]

00:08:03   because I knew that it was due and i had [TS]

00:08:06   to get it back 1,000 pages and it was [TS]

00:08:08   due to ensure and they could have a [TS]

00:08:10   deadline so it's free but yeah but it [TS]

00:08:12   was a debt book under a deadline strap [TS]

00:08:14   that helps that helps me read faster [TS]

00:08:16   that's true and i have the good fortune [TS]

00:08:17   of working at university so if I which [TS]

00:08:19   also has a gigantic library if i take a [TS]

00:08:21   book out there i can keep it out for [TS]

00:08:23   like five months huh [TS]

00:08:25   my wife works at the library so I [TS]

00:08:27   actually could probably have kept a book [TS]

00:08:28   out forever but it-it-it was supposedly [TS]

00:08:30   due in a couple of weeks and I felt a [TS]

00:08:33   lot of pressure also is very heavy so I [TS]

00:08:34   only read it in bed because I didn't [TS]

00:08:37   take it with me on the bus because it [TS]

00:08:38   was too heavy [TS]

00:08:39   which gets me back to my original kindle [TS]

00:08:41   point which is Kindle is just so damn [TS]

00:08:42   convenient dan how are you how are you [TS]

00:08:45   reading what it what are you one word at [TS]

00:08:46   a time Jason [TS]

00:08:48   one word inside that's good advice you [TS]

00:08:50   were just saving that up [TS]

00:08:52   I yeah I've been like 10 minutes now [TS]

00:08:54   we're gonna say that it's got Scott was [TS]

00:08:56   talking unusually a lot i know this is [TS]

00:08:59   this is gonna be Scott's highest talking [TS]

00:09:01   you strong a bunch of words together [TS]

00:09:03   that's good what we're talking about [TS]

00:09:04   books and any books too i mean this is [TS]

00:09:06   like catnip for Scott writing is Bala [TS]

00:09:08   Lake here [TS]

00:09:09   that's right well I mean I grew up as a [TS]

00:09:12   house full of librarians it was strange [TS]

00:09:15   i don't know they're all doing they're [TS]

00:09:16   the kind of like that you little bit [TS]

00:09:19   like hobos but they're very well read [TS]

00:09:22   hobo so it'sit's you know you do what [TS]

00:09:24   you can't I don't know I I i have i have [TS]

00:09:28   a kindle which I acquired last year i [TS]

00:09:31   think and several iPads and yet I think [TS]

00:09:35   I probably still read most of my books [TS]

00:09:37   in in flesh and blood or palm and [TS]

00:09:41   binding i guess and I end I think a lot [TS]

00:09:45   of it is intangible reasons i just kind [TS]

00:09:47   of loads to part with that in the same [TS]

00:09:48   way that I think there are lots of [TS]

00:09:49   people the people who continually tell [TS]

00:09:52   us how much they love LPS / mp3's I [TS]

00:09:56   think I'm i think I'm that person for [TS]

00:09:57   books [TS]

00:09:58   let's just say it's not that i want i [TS]

00:10:00   know i hate those people i hate myself [TS]

00:10:01   to a little bit but i I just I don't [TS]

00:10:04   know there's something about the the [TS]

00:10:05   book as a medium that I really enjoy i [TS]

00:10:08   still have an easier time it's not so [TS]

00:10:10   much the the like physical act of [TS]

00:10:12   reading but something there's something [TS]

00:10:13   mental going on where I don't retain [TS]

00:10:15   stuff as well and I think it has to do [TS]

00:10:17   with the way I process when i read stuff [TS]

00:10:20   because i often jump back and reread [TS]

00:10:22   like I'm reading like a paragraph and [TS]

00:10:24   then all jump back to the top of the [TS]

00:10:26   paraffin read it again [TS]

00:10:27   I don't know why it's just the way my [TS]

00:10:29   brain works but i find it harder to do [TS]

00:10:31   some of those things are kinda like foot [TS]

00:10:33   back page and then it becomes conscious [TS]

00:10:35   instead of sort of unconscious and that [TS]

00:10:38   to me is is takes me out of the [TS]

00:10:40   experience of reading a lot of times and [TS]

00:10:42   so I think I find that that a little [TS]

00:10:44   difficult and I don't know I i like the [TS]

00:10:48   convenience factor a lot and I like the [TS]

00:10:50   e-ink screen I've had a much better time [TS]

00:10:52   I've written I've read a couple books on [TS]

00:10:53   the ipad 2 and that I think is that [TS]

00:10:58   might be my least favorite of the of the [TS]

00:11:01   meat [TS]

00:11:01   x yeah we'll talk i think we'll probably [TS]

00:11:03   talk about that more but yeah i agree [TS]

00:11:04   the either or something about me and [TS]

00:11:06   some people are like why would you even [TS]

00:11:07   have a kindle but you think it's better [TS]

00:11:09   it's different it yeah it is different [TS]

00:11:12   from from a computer screen or an iPad [TS]

00:11:16   or an iPhone screen and I think beyond [TS]

00:11:18   the the physicality and just the innate [TS]

00:11:20   nature that there's there are some [TS]

00:11:21   principle issues at stake here which is [TS]

00:11:23   to say for one thing i don't really not [TS]

00:11:26   a really fan of the way that ebooks work [TS]

00:11:28   in terms of their which were in a period [TS]

00:11:30   right now that's kind of like you know [TS]

00:11:32   the pre drm-free music where everything [TS]

00:11:36   is locked down everything sold on [TS]

00:11:37   individual stores ensures Kindles you [TS]

00:11:40   know amazon's great about letting you [TS]

00:11:41   take your kindle books and put it on [TS]

00:11:42   your iPad or your iPhone but the idea of [TS]

00:11:46   having a book that I can't readily lend [TS]

00:11:49   to my friend is kind of a turnoff you [TS]

00:11:52   know and the idea just in principle of [TS]

00:11:54   drm on a book is not one that i really i [TS]

00:11:57   really like is this thing where you know [TS]

00:11:59   I don't really own my books into a [TS]

00:12:01   certain extent you know if Amazon [TS]

00:12:03   desired decided they could revoke all of [TS]

00:12:05   my all of my books and that that makes [TS]

00:12:08   me a little wary of of paying for things [TS]

00:12:10   in you know i think i have on a couple [TS]

00:12:14   occasions now use the library to borrow [TS]

00:12:17   an e-book which is nice but in sanely [TS]

00:12:22   complicated and the rights there are [TS]

00:12:24   even worse i've done that and and I you [TS]

00:12:29   know I've been pretty happy with it but [TS]

00:12:30   it's not easy to use because you've got [TS]

00:12:32   to go to the library website and then it [TS]

00:12:33   sort of channels you through to the [TS]

00:12:34   amazon website or yeah or i mean really [TS]

00:12:38   if you're I overdrive using an iPad and [TS]

00:12:40   over try this it's terrible [TS]

00:12:42   yes my works the library she has told me [TS]

00:12:45   detail had terrible over unlike you I [TS]

00:12:47   have I mean my parents both left their [TS]

00:12:49   library and careers before he looks [TS]

00:12:51   really a big a popular but i have a1 [TS]

00:12:53   cousin who's a library and a elementary [TS]

00:12:56   school and she is very she loves [TS]

00:12:58   technology and she's really technology [TS]

00:13:00   savvy and then she talks about you know [TS]

00:13:02   listen to audiobooks on audible or [TS]

00:13:04   getting ebooks from overdrive and she's [TS]

00:13:06   so bad [TS]

00:13:07   yeah yeah it's it's not like i said my [TS]

00:13:11   wife my wife doesn't end there there's [TS]

00:13:12   actually a great [TS]

00:13:13   it's a great piece out there that are [TS]

00:13:15   put in the show notes that is a said [TS]

00:13:18   bring my librarian that basically says [TS]

00:13:20   sorry books but I'm breaking up with you [TS]

00:13:22   and it's an extended metaphor about [TS]

00:13:24   breaking up with a bad boyfriend who [TS]

00:13:26   seems cool and happened with it but in [TS]

00:13:28   the end is really just kind of [TS]

00:13:30   unreliable and self-centered and not [TS]

00:13:31   worth the trouble and yeah that's ebooks [TS]

00:13:34   for for libraries and it's too bad i [TS]

00:13:36   mean i mean if you book if if all you [TS]

00:13:39   want to do is buy books just you [TS]

00:13:41   knowlike purchase them from amazon or [TS]

00:13:44   Apple or you know barnes and noble would [TS]

00:13:46   have you been any books might work out [TS]

00:13:48   but i think the lack of flexibility and [TS]

00:13:52   freedom and I think the idea that sort [TS]

00:13:54   of innate idea of freedom is something [TS]

00:13:55   that's very much at the heart of [TS]

00:13:56   printing and books is the I you know [TS]

00:13:59   freely exchanged free exchange of ideas [TS]

00:14:00   and to me that I think that from us from [TS]

00:14:04   Shirley principal standpoint I there's a [TS]

00:14:06   lot of things I don't like about a book [TS]

00:14:07   but also just from a practical [TS]

00:14:08   standpoint there are things that [TS]

00:14:09   frustrate me [TS]

00:14:10   I think that's a mean I think that [TS]

00:14:12   you're right that the form factor of the [TS]

00:14:14   book makes it super easy to share and [TS]

00:14:16   you know distributed company says that [TS]

00:14:19   the foot yeah the publishing companies [TS]

00:14:21   low that and they love the fact that [TS]

00:14:23   they can sell you know individual [TS]

00:14:26   licenses for e-books and through [TS]

00:14:28   libraries they can say okay we'll give [TS]

00:14:29   you you know because it I boggles my [TS]

00:14:32   mind that i can check out in ebooks from [TS]

00:14:35   the library and it is actually checked [TS]

00:14:37   out like they can only yes and only one [TS]

00:14:40   copy one copy or whatever you buy each [TS]

00:14:42   copy and then that license only lasts a [TS]

00:14:45   year right and they have paid and then [TS]

00:14:47   and in fact there's just a thing the [TS]

00:14:49   other day to make this a little bit more [TS]

00:14:50   topical that about penguin renewing you [TS]

00:14:52   know it's deal with libraries and this [TS]

00:14:54   becomes scarier when in light of the [TS]

00:14:56   penguin Random House merger which will [TS]

00:14:58   make it a gigantic publisher pretty soon [TS]

00:15:00   you know you run into the issue of you [TS]

00:15:02   know they've got big sticks right [TS]

00:15:04   because they're giant publishers and you [TS]

00:15:07   know to a certain extent you start to [TS]

00:15:08   lose competition in that relevant [TS]

00:15:10   they're really not [TS]

00:15:11   there's no advantage for them to relax [TS]

00:15:13   that kind of stuff right now because you [TS]

00:15:17   know there's no there's no competition [TS]

00:15:18   there's nobody undercutting now also [TS]

00:15:20   they missed a real opportunity to call [TS]

00:15:22   themselves random penguin [TS]

00:15:24   strychnos a living like yeah shame on [TS]

00:15:27   them but it is it's not it's not a good [TS]

00:15:30   deal in there they're claiming that it's [TS]

00:15:31   uh oh well you know the libraries have [TS]

00:15:34   to replace the books after a certain [TS]

00:15:35   number of reads yeah but it the books [TS]

00:15:37   don't expire after here it would just [TS]

00:15:39   disappear automatically yeah it's not [TS]

00:15:41   like the book the actual physical books [TS]

00:15:42   like catch on fire you [TS]

00:15:44   although if they were publishing [TS]

00:15:45   companies could figure out how to do [TS]

00:15:46   that they will probably be sure [TS]

00:15:49   yeah because let me tell you started a [TS]

00:15:50   fire in the middle of the library secret [TS]

00:15:52   IT what have to buy all those books [TS]

00:15:54   again there's a comment in the chat room [TS]

00:15:55   which is the e-book should be cheaper [TS]

00:15:56   because they don't have to be [TS]

00:15:58   manufactured a ship now the fact is that [TS]

00:15:59   you know you do need to pay the authors [TS]

00:16:02   and the create the most important value [TS]

00:16:03   in the cost of any book is the fact that [TS]

00:16:05   it's been written and edited by [TS]

00:16:07   professional people that all said they [TS]

00:16:12   will be replaced by computer the truth [TS]

00:16:13   is the value of that book is partially [TS]

00:16:16   that you can loan it to somebody or sell [TS]

00:16:19   it to somebody or give it away and [TS]

00:16:22   eBooks can't you can't do that unless [TS]

00:16:24   you use you know drm stripping plugins [TS]

00:16:27   which are widely available if you are [TS]

00:16:29   you or I mean you can do some lending [TS]

00:16:31   through amazon but it's very limited.we [TS]

00:16:33   one time for some boys right exactly but [TS]

00:16:36   now I think one of the issues is it's [TS]

00:16:38   not just that they mean if if the book [TS]

00:16:41   is also printed if it's not just an [TS]

00:16:43   e-book then they still have to pay for [TS]

00:16:45   all the expensive printing costs whether [TS]

00:16:46   you buy that printed book or not like [TS]

00:16:48   that's where the real cost is for the [TS]

00:16:49   publishing industry right now still [TS]

00:16:50   renting these things because they never [TS]

00:16:51   really got the process that sheep and so [TS]

00:16:55   I mean when you see ebook only ebooks i [TS]

00:16:58   find that those are not always but are [TS]

00:17:01   generally cheaper than their their books [TS]

00:17:03   that are both available in both formats [TS]

00:17:05   but if you wanna see like the three four [TS]

00:17:06   dollar book and I think the writers and [TS]

00:17:08   getting paid very similar to how they [TS]

00:17:09   would have gotten it was a twelve [TS]

00:17:10   fifteen or twenty dollar book it's got [TS]

00:17:12   to be the ones that don't have a paper [TS]

00:17:13   counterpart yeah yeah you're right [TS]

00:17:16   because they're also worried about the [TS]

00:17:17   economic effects that if they make the [TS]

00:17:19   e-book that much cheaper than the paper [TS]

00:17:20   book then nobody will buy the paper book [TS]

00:17:22   and they don't want that i would really [TS]

00:17:24   like to see them take a step like the [TS]

00:17:26   sum of the blu-rays have been doing [TS]

00:17:28   include an e-book with the book you have [TS]

00:17:30   a digital copy [TS]

00:17:31   yeah I want that very much i was on to [TS]

00:17:34   that for books I bought from them before [TS]

00:17:35   Oh [TS]

00:17:36   wouldn't it be great if amazon said [TS]

00:17:38   every book every paper book you by bus I [TS]

00:17:40   book match we throat we throw in your [TS]

00:17:42   books for free yeah yeah that would be [TS]

00:17:44   now can access them that well and in [TS]

00:17:46   some cases they were when i bought and I [TS]

00:17:47   know we talked about this i think maybe [TS]

00:17:49   a little bit at the time but when i [TS]

00:17:50   bought the lowest mcmaster bujold copy [TS]

00:17:52   of crying over and last two years ago I [TS]

00:17:54   guess it came with a CD that had all the [TS]

00:17:56   bookseller memory except from memory [TS]

00:17:59   it's unfortunate that's my favorite one [TS]

00:18:01   but it was pretty cool lot of research [TS]

00:18:04   exactly exactly and you can buy and you [TS]

00:18:06   know I think it's worth you know giving [TS]

00:18:08   a call out to both bein the publisher [TS]

00:18:11   there and tour which is also recently [TS]

00:18:13   dropped drm from its ebooks it's [TS]

00:18:16   unsurprising me to a certain extent that [TS]

00:18:18   the science-fiction you know presses are [TS]

00:18:21   at the forefront of this kind of thing [TS]

00:18:24   because they are full of nerds [TS]

00:18:25   presumably who understand that things [TS]

00:18:27   like the RM don't work right somebody on [TS]

00:18:29   the in the chatroom said what about the [TS]

00:18:31   giant libraries we already have now so [TS]

00:18:32   as as somebody married to a librarian [TS]

00:18:34   what I'll say is no libraries are great [TS]

00:18:37   because not everybody has an e-book [TS]

00:18:39   reader maybe someday they will and [TS]

00:18:40   because there are all of these issues [TS]

00:18:42   where the digital books aren't as freely [TS]

00:18:44   lendable as the ebooks many books are [TS]

00:18:48   are just not as freely lentils paper [TS]

00:18:50   books ours and that's just the the fact [TS]

00:18:52   right now and also because libraries are [TS]

00:18:55   great for things like helping you find [TS]

00:18:57   books to read and recommending things [TS]

00:18:59   for you and i'll tell you talking to a [TS]

00:19:00   human library and telling them what [TS]

00:19:02   books you like we'll get you way better [TS]

00:19:04   results then amazon's recommended for [TS]

00:19:08   you better and and if you just think of [TS]

00:19:11   a library as a building in which you [TS]

00:19:14   store books I think you're really really [TS]

00:19:16   undervaluing what a library is right [TS]

00:19:19   it's about the librarians it's a it's a [TS]

00:19:21   community space for people to gather [TS]

00:19:23   it's about dissemination of knowledge [TS]

00:19:25   it's not just by your house [TS]

00:19:27   people get on the internet there now to [TS]

00:19:29   that's one of the things that the [TS]

00:19:30   library is 44 r NRI using dvds in the [TS]

00:19:33   library we have music and audio body [TS]

00:19:35   books comic books [TS]

00:19:37   yeah lots of good stuff I'm I'm holy [TS]

00:19:40   again as the library sort of do [TS]

00:19:42   librarians I'm a holy pro library your [TS]

00:19:45   child with the library dan I am I grew [TS]

00:19:47   up I could die could redo a decimal [TS]

00:19:48   before I could [TS]

00:19:49   actually read wow that's a lie Lex woody [TS]

00:19:52   what are you reading and how are you [TS]

00:19:53   reading we haven't gotten to you yet [TS]

00:19:55   it's right it's funny because you [TS]

00:19:57   mentioned Jason the last paper book you [TS]

00:19:58   read I i am almost exclusively book [TS]

00:20:01   unless I can't find the book any book [TS]

00:20:03   format or if it's more if it's pricier [TS]

00:20:06   than the the paper book i will if it's [TS]

00:20:07   pricier than the book out by the let me [TS]

00:20:09   try one more time if they book costs [TS]

00:20:11   more than the paperwork I i tend to get [TS]

00:20:13   the paper book haha at the last paper [TS]

00:20:15   book I read was the city and the city on [TS]

00:20:17   this podcast recommendation i had to get [TS]

00:20:20   that from the library because it wasn't [TS]

00:20:22   available at least at that time in ebook [TS]

00:20:24   format and I realized how much I really [TS]

00:20:27   strongly as you say Jason prefer reading [TS]

00:20:30   ebooks instead because I is for me it's [TS]

00:20:32   the portability is the fact that the [TS]

00:20:33   book is always with me [TS]

00:20:35   the problem is I don't feel like I have [TS]

00:20:36   a lot of time to read I don't have a [TS]

00:20:38   commute [TS]

00:20:38   you know I walk from the kitchen into [TS]

00:20:40   the office and then i'm at work and some [TS]

00:20:42   haikus along the way and that's about [TS]

00:20:43   right [TS]

00:20:44   so I i do almost all my reading in [TS]

00:20:47   between the time i get in bed and the [TS]

00:20:49   time I fall asleep i have a kindle to [TS]

00:20:51   was my first candle and I really liked [TS]

00:20:54   it and then the ipad came out and i [TS]

00:20:55   started reading on the ipad instead as [TS]

00:20:58   Scott screams angrily and I abandoned [TS]

00:21:02   the kindle entirely then we went on a [TS]

00:21:04   vacation cruise where i had i took my [TS]

00:21:08   iPad and Lauren my wife took my old [TS]

00:21:10   kindle and I was jealous of her reading [TS]

00:21:13   on the kindle when we were reading at [TS]

00:21:15   the same time and I decided I have to go [TS]

00:21:17   back to using the kindle and then [TS]

00:21:18   eventually I got the the kindle three [TS]

00:21:20   keyboard i don't know what they call it [TS]

00:21:21   that but they can build the black [TS]

00:21:22   candles got the keyboard and I have the [TS]

00:21:24   fancy case for with the built-in light [TS]

00:21:26   that's inside the case that you can use [TS]

00:21:28   this book light and now i do almost all [TS]

00:21:30   my reading on that and some on the iPad [TS]

00:21:32   Mini which I find as much better for [TS]

00:21:34   reading the original iPad was despite or [TS]

00:21:36   despite the lack of retina display ad [TS]

00:21:38   that form factor is clearly way better [TS]

00:21:40   for reading but I do almost all of it [TS]

00:21:42   like i said in bed before i fall asleep [TS]

00:21:44   and I I don't miss books i like that [TS]

00:21:49   these books are you know very very [TS]

00:21:50   adamant paper books I like these are our [TS]

00:21:53   portable and light and especially if [TS]

00:21:55   they're always with me because you know [TS]

00:21:56   if I want to be able to read at some [TS]

00:21:59   moment of downtime whatever device i [TS]

00:22:00   have with me whether it's my mac [TS]

00:22:02   or ipad or iphone i can get back into [TS]

00:22:04   the book and that's very helpful for me [TS]

00:22:07   so that doesn't take me six months to [TS]

00:22:08   read no Syracuse's style to finish [TS]

00:22:10   reading the books that I'm after you [TS]

00:22:12   know I i read the city and the city [TS]

00:22:14   because it was up for Hugo word i got [TS]

00:22:16   the they sent a packet to all the voters [TS]

00:22:19   which it's a great deal you pay fifty [TS]

00:22:21   bucks and you get every nominated work [TS]

00:22:23   and includes comics and novels and short [TS]

00:22:24   stories and it's a great deal anybody [TS]

00:22:26   who like sci-fi stuff should sign up to [TS]

00:22:29   be a hugo voter because not only can [TS]

00:22:30   when you're done can you say this sucked [TS]

00:22:33   I've this is your feet was terrible i [TS]

00:22:35   voted last right you could do that but [TS]

00:22:38   it's a great deal because you get all [TS]

00:22:39   these works in digital format but the [TS]

00:22:41   city in the city when I got it was a PDF [TS]

00:22:43   it wasn't an e-book it was it was a PDF [TS]

00:22:46   of the hardcover and I read them on my [TS]

00:22:48   iPad and that was actually a really nice [TS]

00:22:50   experience and it's one of the if I have [TS]

00:22:53   a complaint about the ebooks right now [TS]

00:22:54   it's that I still think that the [TS]

00:22:57   typography isn't as good as it could be [TS]

00:22:59   and that the books aren't pretty enough [TS]

00:23:01   that II think especially I think that if [TS]

00:23:04   you're looking at a PDF or even [TS]

00:23:05   something on a retina iPad it's a little [TS]

00:23:07   bit different there there there light [TS]

00:23:10   that you know the e-book readers of [TS]

00:23:12   light but the fonts elections aren't [TS]

00:23:14   great and the screens are high res [TS]

00:23:15   enough for it to to be quite as pleasant [TS]

00:23:18   and the city and the city that I read [TS]

00:23:20   was you know they picked the typeface [TS]

00:23:21   and they had somebody at the publishing [TS]

00:23:23   house looking at every line to see if [TS]

00:23:25   the hyphenation were good and you know [TS]

00:23:27   and and it was that all the detail work [TS]

00:23:30   that goes into a print edition and the [TS]

00:23:32   ebook edition is kind of an export for [TS]

00:23:34   microsoft word right [TS]

00:23:36   it's funny you mention that because you [TS]

00:23:37   know one recently amazon updated the [TS]

00:23:39   kindle appellees for iOS so that it can [TS]

00:23:41   use the publisher supplied front instead [TS]

00:23:43   of you know having all of your books [TS]

00:23:44   being one of the same for fonts or I [TS]

00:23:47   that Amazon's abuses on the E and kindle [TS]

00:23:51   where you don't even get that option [TS]

00:23:54   most of the time I tend to tweak the [TS]

00:23:57   font size in between books because [TS]

00:23:59   otherwise i found my brain especially if [TS]

00:24:01   i was reading similar genre books [TS]

00:24:03   back-to-back my brain was modeling [TS]

00:24:05   details but if I just tweaked the font [TS]

00:24:07   size or do something so that it sits a [TS]

00:24:08   little bit different looking that helped [TS]

00:24:10   me a lot with not getting confused right [TS]

00:24:12   that's good and and the most recent [TS]

00:24:14   update to the e and kindle [TS]

00:24:16   adds a few fonts as well and publishers [TS]

00:24:18   can set the fonts which I find annoying [TS]

00:24:19   because they always pick all fonts for [TS]

00:24:21   some reason it's like nobody in the [TS]

00:24:24   publishing industry and has a kindle [TS]

00:24:25   like a that's better accommodations [TS]

00:24:27   exist people pick the equity funds [TS]

00:24:29   having just read and and Dan Scott I [TS]

00:24:31   think you've read this too is the [TS]

00:24:33   captain for patrols Alliance the the [TS]

00:24:35   lowest mcmaster bujold book the latest [TS]

00:24:37   for closing the book and we'll talk [TS]

00:24:39   about that in a future episode but what [TS]

00:24:41   ensure he me about it is that it was the [TS]

00:24:45   kindle version was locked too [TS]

00:24:48   while helvetica yes my god that it was [TS]

00:24:51   awful [TS]

00:24:52   you know it to be fair my copy was my [TS]

00:24:55   copy was also walked to a single font [TS]

00:24:57   but it's on paper that's a little bit [TS]

00:25:01   easier to do I mean but it was also a [TS]

00:25:02   little bit is I mean they spend much [TS]

00:25:04   more time I think writing out the fonts [TS]

00:25:06   4848 although once I read a book in [TS]

00:25:08   sans-serif and I was like this is this [TS]

00:25:10   is the most awful thing i've ever heard [TS]

00:25:12   not good it'sit's really unplug it [TS]

00:25:14   really is in time and we know you know [TS]

00:25:16   we know somebody and I'm speaking of [TS]

00:25:18   certainty coldwell who isn't isn't here [TS]

00:25:20   tonight but maybe she for her day job [TS]

00:25:22   works on ebooks and has a great deal of [TS]

00:25:24   pride in the quality of her workmanship [TS]

00:25:26   but I get the distinct impression and [TS]

00:25:28   reading many of these ebooks that that [TS]

00:25:30   is not know ways the strongest of the [TS]

00:25:34   focus of a publisher they have the [TS]

00:25:36   intern do it or something like that [TS]

00:25:38   I don't know what they're going it's a [TS]

00:25:39   publishing the publishing industry is [TS]

00:25:41   very confusing to hit after that and [TS]

00:25:43   it's sad because ebooks should be i mean [TS]

00:25:45   they should be something quite like it [TS]

00:25:47   seems like you probably don't need to [TS]

00:25:48   spend that much time on it [TS]

00:25:50   I mean yes there is time to be spent on [TS]

00:25:52   it there's time in in in investing in [TS]

00:25:55   people who can learn everything they [TS]

00:25:57   need to know so they have the expertise [TS]

00:25:59   to produce a beautiful book but it seems [TS]

00:26:02   like na na industry where they spend so [TS]

00:26:06   much lavage so much attention on these [TS]

00:26:07   on print books [TS]

00:26:09   it seems like you know having someone to [TS]

00:26:11   oversee your ebooks at least little [TS]

00:26:12   cares about is not that much of an [TS]

00:26:14   investment given on your potential [TS]

00:26:16   returns [TS]

00:26:17   yeah i mean they must just feel that it [TS]

00:26:18   doesn't matter that people are just [TS]

00:26:19   going to read them and they're gonna [TS]

00:26:20   accept that the holiday level and maybe [TS]

00:26:22   that's maybe that's true also they may [TS]

00:26:24   be concerned that if the books get too [TS]

00:26:27   good [TS]

00:26:28   that's gonna be you know honestly I they [TS]

00:26:31   just figured well its computers right [TS]

00:26:32   you just exported it will be fine and [TS]

00:26:34   and and it's unfortunate because some of [TS]

00:26:37   my ebook quality really varies i mean [TS]

00:26:39   i've seen really good ebooks their [TS]

00:26:40   ebooks where they do custom fonts [TS]

00:26:43   although actually on the kindle that's [TS]

00:26:44   usually really bad because the custom [TS]

00:26:46   fonts show up at like all smudged and [TS]

00:26:48   weird and bad but there are there other [TS]

00:26:52   ones that are somebody in the chatroom [TS]

00:26:53   just pointed out you know older catalog [TS]

00:26:56   titles often are just ocr'd from the way [TS]

00:26:59   they literally just scan it obviously [TS]

00:27:00   those errors and their and their [TS]

00:27:02   horrible horrible errors [TS]

00:27:04   yeah so it'sit's yeah yeah and I think [TS]

00:27:07   it's the the publishing the book [TS]

00:27:08   publishing industry is generally not one [TS]

00:27:11   to rush to embrace technology and so I [TS]

00:27:14   sweet they are took them years to get [TS]

00:27:16   off scrolls it it's it is true stories [TS]

00:27:20   there i think there are two things right [TS]

00:27:21   they they are frightened by technology [TS]

00:27:23   and they don't think of themselves as [TS]

00:27:24   technologists even though i would argue [TS]

00:27:27   that the book is a piece of technology [TS]

00:27:28   but that's another discussion and so and [TS]

00:27:31   they are kind of they see themselves as [TS]

00:27:34   a defender like the book designers see [TS]

00:27:38   themselves as a defender of the physical [TS]

00:27:39   artifact because they feel like the [TS]

00:27:41   digital tools are so immature that they [TS]

00:27:44   shouldn't waste the time on it so they [TS]

00:27:46   just you know push a button and output [TS]

00:27:48   whatever crap they get and they lavish [TS]

00:27:50   all their time on making a beautiful [TS]

00:27:52   print book and then you get the ebook [TS]

00:27:55   and it's a it's a piece of crap and [TS]

00:27:57   there's also been much more time and [TS]

00:27:58   obviously they've spent a long time [TS]

00:28:00   perfecting that art of making a physical [TS]

00:28:02   book right 500 meters [TS]

00:28:04   yeah so that was so we don't have that [TS]

00:28:07   luxury for e-books yet in terms of we [TS]

00:28:09   and you know people have not yet figured [TS]

00:28:11   out or spend the time on it but that [TS]

00:28:13   said there's probably a lot less work [TS]

00:28:16   that goes into that and then making [TS]

00:28:18   physical object right yeah it seems like [TS]

00:28:20   you could bring it up to like eighty [TS]

00:28:22   percent you know and then that would be [TS]

00:28:25   a pretty big improvement [TS]

00:28:26   what's funny is that the sum of the [TS]

00:28:28   sci-fi publishers and I feel like the [TS]

00:28:29   sci-fi publishers they're very much in [TS]

00:28:31   the same level as the computer magazines [TS]

00:28:35   are for the magazine industry where [TS]

00:28:36   their their their audiences ahead of the [TS]

00:28:38   trend but that's where the trend is [TS]

00:28:40   going [TS]

00:28:41   and a lot of those sci-fi publishers [TS]

00:28:42   like you said Dan are now selling their [TS]

00:28:45   ebooks directly from their website [TS]

00:28:47   drm-free and they get more money because [TS]

00:28:50   they don't have to cut in amazon or [TS]

00:28:51   apple for a portion of the proceeds and [TS]

00:28:54   they can do interesting sales & bundles [TS]

00:28:55   and things like that which are pretty [TS]

00:28:57   cool and I get the impression that [TS]

00:28:59   they're spending at least a little bit [TS]

00:29:00   more time focused on their ebook ebook [TS]

00:29:02   version now that said having seen the [TS]

00:29:05   covers of all the lowest mcmaster bujold [TS]

00:29:08   book oh baby that wall more yet covers [TS]

00:29:11   are pretty much anything in science [TS]

00:29:12   fiction and fantasy and for yeah they [TS]

00:29:14   could you could argue well not all but [TS]

00:29:16   many know what I want you staring into [TS]

00:29:18   people will be as being covers [TS]

00:29:19   particularly yes are ready awful so [TS]

00:29:22   maybe they're spending more time now in [TS]

00:29:24   the ebooks and maybe they can spend less [TS]

00:29:25   time I actually feel glad that I don't [TS]

00:29:28   see the covers of those books on my [TS]

00:29:31   kindle justjust the text i just judging [TS]

00:29:33   by the text don't judge a book by it's [TS]

00:29:35   cover because it's gonna be a bad cover [TS]

00:29:37   see I hate when you open up the kindle [TS]

00:29:39   book and it they try to put you to what [TS]

00:29:41   at the sum algorithm has decided he's [TS]

00:29:43   going to be the first page of the text [TS]

00:29:44   because i want to see the cover of the [TS]

00:29:46   book of research that I have to score at [TS]

00:29:47   least and probably right uses that and [TS]

00:29:49   infuriates me to lex because there are [TS]

00:29:51   often like dedications and forwards and [TS]

00:29:54   any other sometimes we'll skip intro [TS]

00:29:56   yeah yeah yeah you don't need that crap [TS]

00:29:58   have this is nonsense sector-1 cut to [TS]

00:30:01   the chase be bright and cheery res if [TS]

00:30:04   you really want to read a book you by [TS]

00:30:06   the physical copy no book readers just [TS]

00:30:09   want to get right to the detox second so [TS]

00:30:11   the problem Jason you know about that [TS]

00:30:14   the fact that those guys are selling [TS]

00:30:16   their their books independently the [TS]

00:30:17   issue i run into with something like [TS]

00:30:19   pain especially is the workflow is [TS]

00:30:21   terrible right it's the same problem [TS]

00:30:22   we're talking about a little bit of [TS]

00:30:23   libraries where it's just like great now [TS]

00:30:25   you bought that ebook and you have it in [TS]

00:30:26   a file on your computer probably do not [TS]

00:30:29   want to read it on your computer or even [TS]

00:30:32   have software on your computer that can [TS]

00:30:34   read it well amazon by default if you [TS]

00:30:37   send it if you send a book to your [TS]

00:30:38   kindle if you know your kindle email [TS]

00:30:41   address yeah we already added to your [TS]

00:30:42   document library unless you turn that [TS]

00:30:44   feature off it will [TS]

00:30:46   oh if only we had somebody here who had [TS]

00:30:48   written a book about his place [TS]

00:30:50   I don't know couple books you could read [TS]

00:30:51   and I [TS]

00:30:52   amazon also has a little uh send to [TS]

00:30:55   kindle app that you can install on [TS]

00:30:57   windows or mac and you can it does some [TS]

00:30:59   cool things but you can also just drag [TS]

00:31:00   the file onto it and it was sent to your [TS]

00:31:02   kindle you can also print web pages and [TS]

00:31:05   things to your kindle which is kind of [TS]

00:31:06   neat [TS]

00:31:07   so tell me more but i but I would argue [TS]

00:31:09   a lot of this is it is an ancillary and [TS]

00:31:11   a lot of people who own candles don't [TS]

00:31:12   even know like right because they hide [TS]

00:31:14   stuff from Amazon they should mention [TS]

00:31:15   that you read Scott's book they really [TS]

00:31:17   should [TS]

00:31:17   yeah yeah but if you do get to that [TS]

00:31:19   point you can do it but you're right [TS]

00:31:20   it's it's a mess with amazon you just [TS]

00:31:22   press the button and it's on your kindle [TS]

00:31:23   and that's a lot easier than although [TS]

00:31:25   again they're they're assuming that [TS]

00:31:26   their readers are a little bit more [TS]

00:31:28   technically adept and they get the zip [TS]

00:31:30   file and inside is or actually don't [TS]

00:31:32   even do that they say like download the [TS]

00:31:33   Kindle format and it gives you a file [TS]

00:31:35   and there may even be a readme in there [TS]

00:31:37   to say here's where you attach your [TS]

00:31:39   kindle I USB and drag it into the [TS]

00:31:41   documents folder or even the point I've [TS]

00:31:43   walked out and bought the action yeah we [TS]

00:31:45   can [TS]

00:31:46   that's what you've bought it twice and [TS]

00:31:48   they with ya in a tremendous number [TS]

00:31:50   Scott's kindle book is available [TS]

00:31:51   wherever kindle books are sold [TS]

00:31:53   that's right so Amazon right find you [TS]

00:31:57   you cannot buy the personal to go back a [TS]

00:31:59   little bit 22 reading habits i find that [TS]

00:32:02   like Lex I i run into the problem of not [TS]

00:32:05   having a commute when I when I used to [TS]

00:32:06   have cats been really want to keep you [TS]

00:32:09   but I used to have a community required [TS]

00:32:11   me to you know be on public [TS]

00:32:12   transportation for an hour or so away [TS]

00:32:13   you know that was great that was reading [TS]

00:32:15   time and i find it now like wax I [TS]

00:32:18   usually end up reading you know getting [TS]

00:32:20   some time between getting in bed and [TS]

00:32:22   falling asleep and then occasionally you [TS]

00:32:25   know on the weekend or something if I [TS]

00:32:26   got a couple hours and and I might sit [TS]

00:32:28   down and read a little bit but i find it [TS]

00:32:30   really you know I as someone who has [TS]

00:32:33   been a very fast reader for a long time [TS]

00:32:35   I find that it's not so much that I [TS]

00:32:37   don't read fast but that my bandwidth [TS]

00:32:40   amount of time available to actually [TS]

00:32:41   consume that is his lesson which is [TS]

00:32:44   unfortunate i think so i don't know [TS]

00:32:46   maybe I need to that that is the [TS]

00:32:48   advantage of ebooks for example is that [TS]

00:32:50   I could go well I'm you know in line at [TS]

00:32:52   the grocery store [TS]

00:32:54   I'm worried I wouldn't get i would get [TS]

00:32:55   engrossed we told the fact that i'm [TS]

00:32:57   paying for something sir Sir [TS]

00:33:00   now let me just finish this chapter this [TS]

00:33:02   is the phase of although i did find [TS]

00:33:04   briefly that [TS]

00:33:05   for a while I was taking my kindle to [TS]

00:33:08   the gym and I would like get on the bike [TS]

00:33:10   or the elliptical machine or something [TS]

00:33:11   and just prop it up there and and read [TS]

00:33:13   and actually finally got through a fair [TS]

00:33:15   amount of book that way you know and you [TS]

00:33:17   if i go and workout for 45 minutes or [TS]

00:33:19   something like that and that's a decent [TS]

00:33:21   chunk of reading i do find that i reread [TS]

00:33:23   sections a lot more than I would in a [TS]

00:33:26   paper book because because of that [TS]

00:33:28   reading in line like I do get engrossed [TS]

00:33:31   with anyone there when it's time to pay [TS]

00:33:33   or when it's time to look at what your [TS]

00:33:35   kids are doing again i can't help it you [TS]

00:33:38   know I just I i I've trained myself to [TS]

00:33:40   rip my eyes away but then you have to go [TS]

00:33:42   back and figure out where you want to [TS]

00:33:43   get back into the context think so I [TS]

00:33:45   I it's I think it probably [TS]

00:33:46   dollar-for-dollar minute by minute I [TS]

00:33:49   spend a little bit more time reading [TS]

00:33:50   books because I more frequently have to [TS]

00:33:52   backtrack because of finding any using [TS]

00:33:54   any spare minute where I can to try to [TS]

00:33:56   get further along i would like someone [TS]

00:33:57   to invent I am throwing this out there [TS]

00:34:00   is someone going to invent a way to sync [TS]

00:34:02   my progress between my paper book and my [TS]

00:34:05   ebook hmm that would be awesome because [TS]

00:34:08   i would i would Amazon does do real page [TS]

00:34:12   numbers that's true yeah I guess it's [TS]

00:34:15   it's not the problem solved [TS]

00:34:18   I need a little device that's a bookmark [TS]

00:34:20   and then I put it in and it scans the [TS]

00:34:22   pace i don't have this kickstarter rfid [TS]

00:34:25   i don't know i just say that when hard [TS]

00:34:28   to ID know if it's pretty much [TS]

00:34:31   everything you think that would be kind [TS]

00:34:32   of incredible if you could if you could [TS]

00:34:34   find a way to kick started and i will [TS]

00:34:35   contribute ten dollars and and the [TS]

00:34:37   beauty of Kickstarter's you don't [TS]

00:34:39   actually have to know how to do it or [TS]

00:34:40   answer actually do it you can just put [TS]

00:34:42   it up to understand i owe you ten [TS]

00:34:43   dollars that's it so so um i've been [TS]

00:34:47   i've been reading I've read some books [TS]

00:34:50   on the on the ipad and I I've read a lot [TS]

00:34:53   of books on Kindles and and the reason [TS]

00:34:56   is the the screen there's less glare [TS]

00:34:58   there's just something kind of nicer [TS]

00:35:01   about it feels a little more natural [TS]

00:35:02   less like there's light shining in your [TS]

00:35:03   eyes the whole time and I've read some [TS]

00:35:07   stuff on my iphone but mostly if I'm [TS]

00:35:08   trapped in a car or you know somewhere [TS]

00:35:10   and I don't have anything but my iphone [TS]

00:35:12   and I I just can't escape and I want to [TS]

00:35:14   read and liked my books are there [TS]

00:35:16   I got the new kindle paperwhite which is [TS]

00:35:19   it's not bad it's not great but it's not [TS]

00:35:21   bad and lights itself you don't need a [TS]

00:35:23   like like contraption although it does [TS]

00:35:26   make it feel a little more like I'm [TS]

00:35:27   reading an ipad at that point because [TS]

00:35:28   the light is emanating from the device [TS]

00:35:30   it's not quite the same but it's close [TS]

00:35:32   and then i have that i have an ipad mini [TS]

00:35:34   and it might be the closest i think that [TS]

00:35:37   Apple's come to make something that's a [TS]

00:35:39   suitable bookreader yeah it's because [TS]

00:35:41   it's so because it's so small and light [TS]

00:35:43   and you know i i've read some stuff on [TS]

00:35:45   the kindle app on it and it's not bad [TS]

00:35:47   it's it's it's it's the best it's better [TS]

00:35:51   than the big iPad because the big iPads [TS]

00:35:52   too heavy and it's better the iPod the [TS]

00:35:54   iPhone which is just too small [TS]

00:35:56   yeah i just can't get into reading on a [TS]

00:35:58   backlit display there's just something [TS]

00:36:01   about it that angers me for no apparent [TS]

00:36:03   reason and also I i do have a communal [TS]

00:36:07   long commute like a 15-minute commute [TS]

00:36:08   and I just feel like i am sticking out [TS]

00:36:12   if I am reading on like a glowing [TS]

00:36:15   display it just makes me self-conscious [TS]

00:36:17   and that someone's going to steal [TS]

00:36:18   whatever it is i am reading from yeah i [TS]

00:36:23   could just be me though don't I get a [TS]

00:36:25   book loan that our book paper look and [TS]

00:36:27   see what happens before I had the ipad [TS]

00:36:30   in my hand I was worried about what it [TS]

00:36:32   would be like to read on a backlit [TS]

00:36:33   screen but in practice it has not [TS]

00:36:36   bothered me i enjoy the reading on the [TS]

00:36:37   kindle experience more but I I'm not [TS]

00:36:39   unhappy reading on the ipad and if I if [TS]

00:36:42   I had to read on the ipad i could i read [TS]

00:36:43   a whole book on the Galaxy Nexus and it [TS]

00:36:48   wasn't awful bad i couldn't do what I [TS]

00:36:50   was its fine its it is light it's a good [TS]

00:36:53   size it's just had a kindle app on [TS]

00:36:56   android isn't isn't very good [TS]

00:36:58   the Google Play Books is better yeah I [TS]

00:37:01   was it was a google play book yeah [TS]

00:37:03   because I've never I wanted to see what [TS]

00:37:05   the whole google experience was like [TS]

00:37:07   because I've never typography on eBook [TS]

00:37:09   readers I mean especially on those you [TS]

00:37:12   android or iPad kind of readers it's a [TS]

00:37:14   big deal i mean if you do cut typography [TS]

00:37:17   well if you have good fonts if you [TS]

00:37:19   something amazon doesn't you doing [TS]

00:37:21   things like turn off justification [TS]

00:37:25   yeah oh you know it can make a big [TS]

00:37:27   difference i mean if if you've got a [TS]

00:37:29   nice [TS]

00:37:29   high-resolution screen good typography [TS]

00:37:31   it can be a good experience and if you [TS]

00:37:33   have like the ipad mini doesn't have a [TS]

00:37:35   great high res screen but it's got some [TS]

00:37:38   you know the amazon app and ibooks have [TS]

00:37:40   some good font choices and it looks but [TS]

00:37:42   the type looks good on the nexus 7 the [TS]

00:37:45   google play books app looks good and it [TS]

00:37:48   it's okay [TS]

00:37:49   in that scenario but you know just like [TS]

00:37:51   with the the e-ink readers [TS]

00:37:53   I you know I it could be better the [TS]

00:37:56   typography could be better and it does [TS]

00:37:57   make a difference and looks books people [TS]

00:38:01   have that you know the publishers care [TS]

00:38:02   really bottom line is the publishers [TS]

00:38:04   care about what their books look like a [TS]

00:38:05   lot of publishers don't care what the [TS]

00:38:07   books look like a lot of the e-book [TS]

00:38:08   vendors don't care what the books look [TS]

00:38:10   like and so you know even if they're [TS]

00:38:12   very convenient you're you're taking a [TS]

00:38:14   step down in terms of sort of the [TS]

00:38:15   experience the quality of it to get the [TS]

00:38:17   convenience back [TS]

00:38:18   damn them well I think that we've we've [TS]

00:38:22   been here to tell the publisher is their [TS]

00:38:23   business [TS]

00:38:24   yeah right i'm sure they get up Chan [TS]

00:38:27   soft charge look charge less and do more [TS]

00:38:30   work on your product [TS]

00:38:31   yeah that'll go well or also stopped [TS]

00:38:34   buying candles actually like they don't [TS]

00:38:37   like dogs down never gonna happen Scott [TS]

00:38:39   now also with that really hurt them that [TS]

00:38:41   much i was gonna say the posters would [TS]

00:38:43   probably like that because the hands-on [TS]

00:38:44   as well so more papers backfire [TS]

00:38:48   alright let's let's let's shift gears [TS]

00:38:50   and talk about what we're reading this [TS]

00:38:52   is sort of a grab-bag sort what I like [TS]

00:38:54   to do whatever we're talking about books [TS]

00:38:55   is is what we've been reading and that's [TS]

00:38:59   good for the listeners to because we can [TS]

00:39:01   either steer them away from things they [TS]

00:39:02   shouldn't read or recommend things that [TS]

00:39:04   that are are cool that we're reading so [TS]

00:39:06   I'd like to ask the musical question [TS]

00:39:08   what are you reading and I'd like to [TS]

00:39:09   start with Lex since he seems so excited [TS]

00:39:11   about telling us with reading blacks [TS]

00:39:12   whatever i should say Lex by the way one [TS]

00:39:15   of the last paper books that i bought [TS]

00:39:17   most recently on amazon was the kid in [TS]

00:39:20   the crib by lex friedman because it [TS]

00:39:23   really needs to be seen in paper because [TS]

00:39:25   it's a parody of the cat in hat and you [TS]

00:39:28   need to see the illustrations that go [TS]

00:39:29   along with it [TS]

00:39:30   well I thank you for buying it and it i [TS]

00:39:33   was you know for a while did not have a [TS]

00:39:35   kindle edition although during this [TS]

00:39:36   podcast recording session i saw that now [TS]

00:39:38   the kindle edition is at [TS]

00:39:40   and that's that's how easy and [TS]

00:39:41   comfortable ex if you're welcome Lex [TS]

00:39:43   you're welcome thank you [TS]

00:39:45   the the two most recent books I read one [TS]

00:39:48   fiction one non-fiction was the 100 year [TS]

00:39:52   old man who climbed out the window and [TS]

00:39:53   disappeared which house it's a it was an [TS]

00:39:59   international publishing sensation [TS]

00:40:00   amazon told me so i had to get it it had [TS]

00:40:03   it sold more than 2 million copies and [TS]

00:40:05   it's basically it's a forest gump be in [TS]

00:40:09   style story in terms of a man who [TS]

00:40:12   somewhat unknowingly goes through life [TS]

00:40:14   affecting many many things for some [TS]

00:40:16   company is good at I haven't heard that [TS]

00:40:18   one before [TS]

00:40:19   it's it's translated from swedish I did [TS]

00:40:22   not read it in the original swedish for [TS]

00:40:26   their variety of reasons one because [TS]

00:40:27   that's not how the cable came into [TS]

00:40:29   because i don't speak Swedish but was [TS]

00:40:30   very good it's you know it's it's funny [TS]

00:40:31   and a little bit long [TS]

00:40:34   even though it's not so incredible I [TS]

00:40:36   feel a little bit long but it's it's a [TS]

00:40:37   very entertaining read and I enjoyed it [TS]

00:40:39   and then the other book that i just [TS]

00:40:40   finished yesterday i was sad and almost [TS]

00:40:42   crushed to be finishing it because of [TS]

00:40:44   how enjoyable read it was I want to make [TS]

00:40:46   sure you get the title right it was Penn [TS]

00:40:48   Jillette's new book every day is an [TS]

00:40:50   atheist holiday [TS]

00:40:51   what's it about what's it about well [TS]

00:40:54   Penn of course is is the taller louder [TS]

00:40:58   half of Penn & Teller more than half by [TS]

00:41:01   volume and he or word spoken right [TS]

00:41:05   he had a book called God know maybe a [TS]

00:41:08   year or so ago that was a sort of his [TS]

00:41:11   take on the atheism diatribe book series [TS]

00:41:15   that writers keep putting out the [TS]

00:41:17   richard dawkins shown right here [TS]

00:41:19   acknowledging that his version wasn't [TS]

00:41:21   you know Dawkins or sam Harris ask but [TS]

00:41:23   rather silly or stupid but it was it was [TS]

00:41:27   a good read this one is the sequel here [TS]

00:41:29   every day these holidays even better the [TS]

00:41:31   the initial point is his argument is [TS]

00:41:35   that you know he focuses mostly on [TS]

00:41:38   Christianity but saying you know if [TS]

00:41:39   you're if you're waiting to feel [TS]

00:41:41   mirthful and marry because it's [TS]

00:41:43   Christmas or Easter then you're missing [TS]

00:41:44   out because for me since i don't have [TS]

00:41:46   any specific calendar events to wait for [TS]

00:41:48   I can celebrate and enjoy life everyday [TS]

00:41:51   God that sounds insufferable I'm sorry [TS]

00:41:54   its well he doesn't have doesn't he [TS]

00:41:57   doesn't have gift-giving holidays every [TS]

00:41:58   day but actually it's very moving there [TS]

00:42:01   are some messages that are very powerful [TS]

00:42:02   and he's got an incredibly well written [TS]

00:42:03   essay about Martin Luther King related [TS]

00:42:06   to MLK Day and but it's it's just it's [TS]

00:42:11   very smart it's very funny it's [TS]

00:42:12   laugh-out-loud funny that's right i mean [TS]

00:42:14   i read a lot of funny writers because [TS]

00:42:16   that's something that I really enjoy but [TS]

00:42:19   usually when i'm reading a funny writer [TS]

00:42:21   i might smile or just enjoy it mentally [TS]

00:42:24   but there were actual laugh-out-loud [TS]

00:42:25   moments where i had a read passages to [TS]

00:42:27   my wife and it's but we're just funny [TS]

00:42:30   it wouldn't necessarily be worth [TS]

00:42:32   endorsing here but it's funny and it's [TS]

00:42:33   also i think very insightful very [TS]

00:42:36   profane I mean very profane terribly [TS]

00:42:38   profit don't read it but it's really [TS]

00:42:40   really really good and really [TS]

00:42:42   entertaining in a thought-provoking so [TS]

00:42:44   the 80s all anything is really more kind [TS]

00:42:46   of a motif that he uses the exact about [TS]

00:42:48   various subjects that are exactly right [TS]

00:42:50   he does yeah it's that the whole thing [TS]

00:42:51   is not saying here is different holidays [TS]

00:42:53   you can tell i can see my own holidays [TS]

00:42:55   haha its i mean it's it's really it's [TS]

00:42:57   it's good enough that i am considering [TS]

00:43:00   probably sometime in the next month or [TS]

00:43:01   two going back and reading and once more [TS]

00:43:02   because i really enjoyed the experience [TS]

00:43:03   that much and I I i mean i reread books [TS]

00:43:06   but i never read them that quickly likes [TS]

00:43:07   this book sounds like an excellent [TS]

00:43:08   holiday gift [TS]

00:43:10   yes for forty non believer in your life [TS]

00:43:12   for you know your average Tuesday talks [TS]

00:43:15   tougher and every day gift Penn Jillette [TS]

00:43:18   book giving day if you took the words [TS]

00:43:20   right out of my mouth dan exactly right [TS]

00:43:22   the new holidays never never too soon to [TS]

00:43:25   start a new holiday but yeah I I [TS]

00:43:28   wouldn't tell you is really good for [TS]

00:43:29   weren't dan yes [TS]

00:43:31   what are you reading well like I think I [TS]

00:43:35   guess you guys have both finish it but i [TS]

00:43:36   am still in the midst of reading and [TS]

00:43:37   Captain for patrols Alliance by lois [TS]

00:43:39   mcmaster bujold which i'm finding [TS]

00:43:42   delightful [TS]

00:43:43   yes we'll talk about in a future point [TS]

00:43:45   yes we will i can get especially cuz I'm [TS]

00:43:47   finished but but it's interesting [TS]

00:43:49   because Lex was talking about the you [TS]

00:43:51   know laughing out loud and i found [TS]

00:43:52   myself laughing out loud several times [TS]

00:43:54   your name which is also unusual for me i [TS]

00:43:57   will i will accept my favorite line from [TS]

00:43:59   the entire book which is unhand lady for [TS]

00:44:02   Petrille [TS]

00:44:03   which comes at a good point i really [TS]

00:44:05   like I think the line of the book is [TS]

00:44:06   what the hell Simon but alright so yeah [TS]

00:44:13   bring that of course i have been a huge [TS]

00:44:15   gulf and I've been reading her books for [TS]

00:44:16   10 years now and and I always always [TS]

00:44:21   nice to get a chance to have a new book [TS]

00:44:23   by one of your favorite authors [TS]

00:44:25   I i did the counting and this is like [TS]

00:44:27   the 14th or 15th book in the series [TS]

00:44:28   depending on whether you throw-in [TS]

00:44:30   falling free anything about the house [TS]

00:44:31   and all that but yeah it's it shows the [TS]

00:44:33   power without stealing from the next [TS]

00:44:35   podcast it shows the power of having [TS]

00:44:37   familiar characters in a familiar [TS]

00:44:39   universe and that you can have a perhaps [TS]

00:44:41   even a thin kind of plot and it doesn't [TS]

00:44:43   really matter because there's this a [TS]

00:44:46   creative power of all the backstory that [TS]

00:44:50   you know you could never read it as a [TS]

00:44:52   new reader but there is some great power [TS]

00:44:54   and being will check in with characters [TS]

00:44:56   it's the same power that start [TS]

00:44:57   Star Trek and Star Wars tap into and and [TS]

00:44:59   marvel comics and DC comics where you [TS]

00:45:01   know there's this extra value of just [TS]

00:45:03   looking me Syrian right hand and saying [TS]

00:45:05   oh yeah I remember when he was born [TS]

00:45:07   right because yeah right you know in the [TS]

00:45:09   first book he he was born and now he's [TS]

00:45:12   the main character in his own book grow [TS]

00:45:14   up so fast [TS]

00:45:15   yeah so there's a there's a there's [TS]

00:45:16   definitely a saga going there [TS]

00:45:18   yeah and is what I've enjoyed that quite [TS]

00:45:20   a bit right before that i read a book [TS]

00:45:23   called The Last Dragon Slayer which is [TS]

00:45:25   jasper fforde who we've also discussed [TS]

00:45:27   and may discuss on a future podcast yes [TS]

00:45:29   majors kind of aya fantasy book that [TS]

00:45:32   takes place in something that's very [TS]

00:45:35   much like England but isn't England and [TS]

00:45:40   that was fun [TS]

00:45:40   it is a fairly quick read i read that [TS]

00:45:42   one on my kindle he writes things that [TS]

00:45:44   aren't certain extent yes he's written [TS]

00:45:46   several things that offers it has a [TS]

00:45:47   whole series about nursery crimes [TS]

00:45:50   yes I read both of those that I think [TS]

00:45:52   there are only two because in the end it [TS]

00:45:54   did not do very well but it's not a [TS]

00:45:58   serious three is a serious well I was [TS]

00:46:01   honk or at least a trilogy i only see I [TS]

00:46:06   think I only see two on my shelf ecology [TS]

00:46:07   if they're really exciting i call the [TS]

00:46:09   Thrilla g 00 [TS]

00:46:11   there was no third apparently it was a [TS]

00:46:14   dolla g.o take that jasper fforde does [TS]

00:46:18   just said I'm for my favorite he was [TS]

00:46:22   mentioned on our first podcast and India [TS]

00:46:24   me laugh and laugh because Scott spelled [TS]

00:46:26   his name and I thought I had it down [TS]

00:46:28   right and he said no no it's F okay got [TS]

00:46:30   it [TS]

00:46:31   f ok I didn't get it how r d I'm like [TS]

00:46:33   all right I got it [TS]

00:46:34   II know then it's a sorry believe it's [TS]

00:46:37   correctly pronounce Jasper 444 together [TS]

00:46:40   that's I'm much better then before that [TS]

00:46:43   I think i read the fourth if not [TS]

00:46:49   possibly final book in terry pratchett [TS]

00:46:51   series about his why a series which was [TS]

00:46:56   called I shall wear midnight which is [TS]

00:46:58   about a young girl who's a witch and [TS]

00:47:01   that was also very very good and I have [TS]

00:47:05   a tendency for some I had that sitting [TS]

00:47:07   on my shelf for a year or so i think it [TS]

00:47:10   came out in 2010-11 and I just hadn't [TS]

00:47:13   gone through right sort of stack of [TS]

00:47:15   books to get to it but I have a tendency [TS]

00:47:18   to leave books from authors i really [TS]

00:47:20   like because I know that someday there [TS]

00:47:23   will be no more books by those authors [TS]

00:47:25   and then I will always have a book that [TS]

00:47:26   I'm like oh wow I could read another [TS]

00:47:28   terry pratchett book [TS]

00:47:30   oh yeah i know that's incredible self [TS]

00:47:32   discipline because you're planning my [TS]

00:47:34   favorite authors jonathan tropper [TS]

00:47:36   whenever he has a new book out i just [TS]

00:47:37   read that day that comes out I can't [TS]

00:47:39   wait well I can see the thing is i [TS]

00:47:40   happen to be working with a lot of [TS]

00:47:41   people have like extensive backlogs so I [TS]

00:47:44   don't necessarily go back and reread [TS]

00:47:45   everything that they already wrote but I [TS]

00:47:49   i do tend to read almost everything that [TS]

00:47:51   they come out with I have to neil gaiman [TS]

00:47:53   zan died and i have actually the new i [TS]

00:47:55   bought the new michael chabon on the [TS]

00:47:58   area bounded it came out and i haven't [TS]

00:48:00   read it and I feel terrible [TS]

00:48:02   yeah he's he's very disappointed in you [TS]

00:48:04   yes I know I apologize to michael [TS]

00:48:06   michael chabon right now I saw him speak [TS]

00:48:09   with David Mitchell and he mentioned [TS]

00:48:11   that he was disappointed in you Jason [TS]

00:48:13   that's good whoo-hoo which one David [TS]

00:48:15   Mitchell because you know both of the [TS]

00:48:17   parents i read the cloud atlas but we [TS]

00:48:19   didn't like it enough so he was said it [TS]

00:48:21   was okay was fine i liked it but he [TS]

00:48:23   wasn't going fine Jason [TS]

00:48:25   all right you're right I'm I apologize [TS]

00:48:27   to all writers you should that's good [TS]

00:48:29   thinking I appreciate that forgiving [TS]

00:48:32   yeah not accepted any more Danner is [TS]

00:48:37   that a I was I was casting and I over my [TS]

00:48:39   shoulder and my bookshelf to see if I [TS]

00:48:40   can remember what the hell i read before [TS]

00:48:42   the sea because you're reading books [TS]

00:48:43   that are made of paperwork yeah I said [TS]

00:48:45   I've got my window open while sorted by [TS]

00:48:47   date I I jump back and forth I i read i [TS]

00:48:51   read the jasper fforde on my kindle [TS]

00:48:52   alright but the other ones i read in [TS]

00:48:55   hardcover like hardcovers really there's [TS]

00:48:58   something about it so happened on Tobias [TS]

00:49:00   miley cyrus that as a as a i love the [TS]

00:49:03   quality of the of the typography and [TS]

00:49:05   stuff like that but as a as a a commuter [TS]

00:49:08   I hated them because I'd be reading [TS]

00:49:10   these books and be completely engrossed [TS]

00:49:12   in there was no way I was going to look [TS]

00:49:13   at three pound hardcover on to onto the [TS]

00:49:16   bus nor if I go on vacation am I gonna [TS]

00:49:19   take that giant hardcover that I've [TS]

00:49:21   already read it [TS]

00:49:22   600 pages oh it's just about occasional [TS]

00:49:25   at times get out sometimes get a [TS]

00:49:27   separate book to read on the action but [TS]

00:49:29   I i will say when we left this out in [TS]

00:49:31   our discussion of of of e-books vs paper [TS]

00:49:35   books but being not having any readers [TS]

00:49:37   during takeoff and landing on plane [TS]

00:49:39   rolls is what kills me on the kindle [TS]

00:49:41   it's like I can't I wanted that's like [TS]

00:49:43   the one time I can't do anything else [TS]

00:49:44   it's like I want to have my book [TS]

00:49:46   first off that's complete crap ladies [TS]

00:49:48   and i was complete crap but they're not [TS]

00:49:50   going until they change the rules [TS]

00:49:51   actually I know they are talking about [TS]

00:49:53   before they were really popular i would [TS]

00:49:55   i would just keep my ereader on anyway [TS]

00:49:57   and everybody know taking life and they [TS]

00:49:59   didn't care then Lex crash seven planes [TS]

00:50:01   that way not be bad my fear has always [TS]

00:50:04   been with the kindle since it when it's [TS]

00:50:06   off its still display something on the [TS]

00:50:08   screen is that a stupid flight attendant [TS]

00:50:10   will see it and say sir you need to trim [TS]

00:50:11   that off its alright no no you need to [TS]

00:50:13   drop that it doesn't go any more often [TS]

00:50:16   this swim ashmac actually you you can [TS]

00:50:19   you can turn it off and if you buy my [TS]

00:50:21   book and find out screen all the way off [TS]

00:50:23   yeah i got sick of myself don't do that [TS]

00:50:26   and what are the the plus and minus of [TS]

00:50:28   the ereader for me also is the like [TS]

00:50:31   there's no cover so people can't see [TS]

00:50:33   what you're reading which can be good [TS]

00:50:35   and can be bad [TS]

00:50:36   as I it reminds me of when I was in high [TS]

00:50:39   school I commuted 45 minutes back and [TS]

00:50:42   forth and for some reason I decided [TS]

00:50:44   uphill uphill know it was in New York [TS]

00:50:47   was on the subway and there's no Hills [TS]

00:50:50   New York parents that is it possible and [TS]

00:50:53   i was reading this giant 1100 page [TS]

00:50:56   biography of Adolf Hitler called Adolf [TS]

00:50:59   Hitler on a giant print it says Adolf [TS]

00:51:03   Hitler and there's a giant swastika on [TS]

00:51:05   the cover and it never occurred to be [TS]

00:51:08   that perhaps this is not the best book [TS]

00:51:12   yeah just riding through the Hasidic [TS]

00:51:14   neighborhood do you know and a and [TS]

00:51:16   somewhat did there was a problem on the [TS]

00:51:18   train and we all had to get off and it [TS]

00:51:20   was a lovely day and i'm standing on the [TS]

00:51:22   platform [TS]

00:51:22   hey it's a good guarantee Hitler book [TS]

00:51:24   reading this three-pound Adolf Hitler [TS]

00:51:27   book with a giant swastika on it and [TS]

00:51:29   someone came up to be and they were like [TS]

00:51:31   why are you reading a book about it out [TS]

00:51:33   of Hitler and it was a very awkward [TS]

00:51:34   conversation did you say like it makes [TS]

00:51:36   it really easy for me to hail a cab [TS]

00:51:38   haha no idea what I was not know you did [TS]

00:51:42   then they would have killed me yet he [TS]

00:51:44   didn't so I'm well i was gonna say i had [TS]

00:51:46   the same problem except my books had [TS]

00:51:47   dragons on different circuits were sort [TS]

00:51:51   of abuse that you get a greater know is [TS]

00:51:54   different or abuse you get from your [TS]

00:51:55   high school high school classmates when [TS]

00:51:57   you carried constantly carry around [TS]

00:51:59   either books that have spaceships or [TS]

00:52:00   jacket it's true [TS]

00:52:03   wow wow don't because I just got this [TS]

00:52:07   turned into therapies are you get my [TS]

00:52:08   casting his therapy actually there's a [TS]

00:52:10   whole trend about how people are reading [TS]

00:52:11   things let this whole 50 shades of grey [TS]

00:52:13   thing right sure can [TS]

00:52:15   can read all sorts of things they would [TS]

00:52:16   have been embarrassed to read before but [TS]

00:52:18   now nobody can see what they're reading [TS]

00:52:19   because it's just text on an eerie i [TS]

00:52:21   find that sad because it gets rid of [TS]

00:52:23   that old trick where you take the thief [TS]

00:52:25   auntie dust cover and put it around the [TS]

00:52:27   crappy but it's i wish i had known about [TS]

00:52:30   that trick when I was in high school now [TS]

00:52:33   then you just took your comic book and [TS]

00:52:34   you put it inside your textbook i just [TS]

00:52:36   put the Adolf Hitler cover other books [TS]

00:52:38   it didn't work out i will say before [TS]

00:52:41   amazon started putting ads on the kindle [TS]

00:52:43   when you turn them off [TS]

00:52:45   I always thought it was stupid that they [TS]

00:52:47   didn't put the cover [TS]

00:52:48   right there on the lockscreen diagram of [TS]

00:52:49   whatever book you are currently reading [TS]

00:52:50   it seems like that would make that will [TS]

00:52:52   tell you how to do that now it by a kobo [TS]

00:52:55   reader because they do a real book [TS]

00:52:58   nobody does that kobo does do that [TS]

00:53:00   that's smart [TS]

00:53:02   Scott what are you reading I'm reading a [TS]

00:53:06   book called the Islanders by Christopher [TS]

00:53:08   priest who wrote the prestige about [TS]

00:53:10   hockey [TS]

00:53:11   it is not about hockey it is about it a [TS]

00:53:13   it's basically a travel guide to an [TS]

00:53:17   imaginary archipelago in this giant [TS]

00:53:20   world and it's set unreliable narrator [TS]

00:53:23   and it's a very interesting book i would [TS]

00:53:27   recommend I'm not done with it so i [TS]

00:53:28   won't recommend it but it's gonna kind [TS]

00:53:30   of Gulliver's Travels ask is that like [TS]

00:53:32   Forrest Gump Ian exactly it'sit's swifty [TS]

00:53:35   and i think is what they actually saw [TS]

00:53:36   haha that's way better [TS]

00:53:39   yeah I've been Gulliver's Travels ask ya [TS]

00:53:41   got wins and losses [TS]

00:53:44   what's now again before that i read a [TS]

00:53:48   book called three parts dead by Max [TS]

00:53:51   Gladstone which I thought was a [TS]

00:53:52   fantastic book it's a kind of an over [TS]

00:53:55   your been family about that on twitter [TS]

00:53:57   and i favorited your tweets whoa [TS]

00:53:59   Scott said it was great i was great i [TS]

00:54:01   like it because it was set in this world [TS]

00:54:04   where there is a gods are real but they [TS]

00:54:08   had a big war and killed a bunch of they [TS]

00:54:10   killed each other except with a few [TS]

00:54:12   survived and people have figured out how [TS]

00:54:15   to use the same magic that God's use and [TS]

00:54:19   they uh it involves this magic and a [TS]

00:54:22   chase and it's kind of a courtroom drama [TS]

00:54:24   as well it's a very strange book but [TS]

00:54:27   it's a lot of fun it's a lot of [TS]

00:54:28   different genres and before that i was [TS]

00:54:31   reading the the captain for book to like [TS]

00:54:34   it [TS]

00:54:35   I can never have enough that his name or [TS]

00:54:36   patrol for partial always yeah which I [TS]

00:54:39   thought was good no it was thin and yet [TS]

00:54:41   i loved it [TS]

00:54:42   I i was around it was a lot of fun I [TS]

00:54:45   just thought maybe ivan is not a lead [TS]

00:54:47   character [TS]

00:54:48   yeah but we'll save that for the next [TS]

00:54:49   part is alright and they're a bunch of [TS]

00:54:53   other books i read but nobody wants to [TS]

00:54:54   hear all of these so i won't make sure [TS]

00:54:56   Jason what are you reading thank you Lex [TS]

00:54:58   I read a book called Osama which one the [TS]

00:55:02   world fantasy award which is by writer [TS]

00:55:04   named Bobby teat heart I'd har tid har [TS]

00:55:08   and it's a strange strange book about a [TS]

00:55:15   it's sort of a Norrish detective who a [TS]

00:55:19   very in noticeably he's an orange [TS]

00:55:21   detective and he is in i want to say [TS]

00:55:24   laos and he a woman you know of course a [TS]

00:55:28   woman comes to his office and said I [TS]

00:55:30   need you to find this guy and it's a guy [TS]

00:55:32   named Mike long shot [TS]

00:55:34   who is the author of these pulp novels [TS]

00:55:37   these paperbacks that are about an [TS]

00:55:40   alternate universe that is our universe [TS]

00:55:43   and their the Osama bin Laden series and [TS]

00:55:47   its books the detail the terrorist [TS]

00:55:50   attacks of al-qaeda but they're in this [TS]

00:55:53   world they're fictional and so he goes [TS]

00:55:55   on a quest to kind of find the [TS]

00:55:57   disreputable publisher of these [TS]

00:55:59   hard-boiled novels about Osama bin Laden [TS]

00:56:02   and and then tries from there to trace [TS]

00:56:05   it back to the post office box with the [TS]

00:56:07   writer is he ends up at Osama bin Laden [TS]

00:56:09   convention where fans of the series have [TS]

00:56:12   gathered to come up with all sorts of [TS]

00:56:14   concepts and panels about this weird [TS]

00:56:17   world that is has diverged from their [TS]

00:56:19   own which is our world and he ends up in [TS]

00:56:23   a Afghanistan at one point anyway it's [TS]

00:56:25   it's it was it was very strange and I'm [TS]

00:56:29   not sure whether I like to know that it [TS]

00:56:30   was kinda moving in the end and it spent [TS]

00:56:32   it makes you sort of think a lot about [TS]

00:56:35   its using all these genre conventions to [TS]

00:56:37   sort of talk about about terrorism and [TS]

00:56:41   how terrorism is portrayed and had kind [TS]

00:56:44   of strangely comparing it to the kind of [TS]

00:56:46   things you'd see in kind of Pulp Fiction [TS]

00:56:48   weird book very weird one but one the [TS]

00:56:52   world fantasy award / not just george RR [TS]

00:56:55   martin but of course Joe Waltons among [TS]

00:56:57   others which we love so much so I [TS]

00:56:58   thought I should read it [TS]

00:57:00   osama is the name of it and yeah I don't [TS]

00:57:04   know whether I'd entirely recommended or [TS]

00:57:05   not it's interesting it's weird it's [TS]

00:57:08   definitely not sci-fi it is [TS]

00:57:09   it is a kind of dreamy and strange and [TS]

00:57:13   but interesting so who'd you see the [TS]

00:57:16   outdoors la vie [TS]

00:57:18   trt idha are parts of it are our i mean [TS]

00:57:21   the the bit where he goes to the Osama [TS]

00:57:23   bin Laden convention is crazy it's it's [TS]

00:57:26   it's crazy and it's and if you like nor [TS]

00:57:29   ish stuff like dan might like it i think [TS]

00:57:31   because I know Dan kind of like that's [TS]

00:57:34   diving I do like it and it is very [TS]

00:57:36   definitely that I mean he's a hard man [TS]

00:57:38   detective and he's he you know he's kind [TS]

00:57:40   of drinking and smoking a lot and [TS]

00:57:43   meeting girls and bars and asking him [TS]

00:57:45   for information and it is all just like [TS]

00:57:48   my life it's exactly like your life so [TS]

00:57:51   anyway that Osama interesting minds me [TS]

00:57:52   of a book uh called the mirage by met [TS]

00:57:55   rough in which he posits an alternate [TS]

00:57:58   reality where Christian fundamentalist [TS]

00:58:01   higher hijack jetliners and crashed them [TS]

00:58:04   into right right Tigris and Euphrates [TS]

00:58:06   World Trade Towers in the bag right [TS]

00:58:08   because they were in a reverse world [TS]

00:58:10   where the where the Americans are all [TS]

00:58:12   kind of up in arms and and invaded [TS]

00:58:15   energy and listen yeah exactly right [TS]

00:58:18   this is this is really I i have read [TS]

00:58:20   that book that I read about it and it [TS]

00:58:21   struck me as being a kind of a similar [TS]

00:58:23   premise absolutely interesting book [TS]

00:58:26   though and the other book that I read [TS]

00:58:30   read most recently is nonfiction it is [TS]

00:58:33   called the signal and the noise why so [TS]

00:58:34   many predictions fail but some don't [TS]

00:58:37   by nate silver you may have heard of [TS]

00:58:38   nate silver because he's the guy who [TS]

00:58:40   runs 538 which correctly predicted every [TS]

00:58:43   single state in the electoral college in [TS]

00:58:45   the most recent election and his [TS]

00:58:47   publisher made a good bed and put his [TS]

00:58:49   book out about three weeks before the [TS]

00:58:51   election thinking if he is successful [TS]

00:58:53   again like he was four years ago at [TS]

00:58:55   predicting the election people might buy [TS]

00:58:57   his book and then I believe after the [TS]

00:58:59   election the day after the election his [TS]

00:59:00   book was number one on amazon so it's a [TS]

00:59:03   great book about statistics and people's [TS]

00:59:08   gut being used instead of their heads [TS]

00:59:11   and making bad decisions based on [TS]

00:59:14   feeling when if you look at things [TS]

00:59:16   dispassionately through numbers you get [TS]

00:59:19   a better outcome he talked about not [TS]

00:59:21   just elections and not just about [TS]

00:59:22   baseball [TS]

00:59:23   he originated with baseball stuff sort [TS]

00:59:25   of Moneyball kind of stuff but he talks [TS]

00:59:27   about things like weather forecasting an [TS]

00:59:29   earthquake predictions and he really [TS]

00:59:32   does try to cover the gamut from things [TS]

00:59:34   that are that are very predictable and [TS]

00:59:36   things that aren't and his section about [TS]

00:59:38   the weather is actually fascinating [TS]

00:59:40   because it turns out that we're much [TS]

00:59:41   better forecasting the weather than we [TS]

00:59:43   were before we still joke about the [TS]

00:59:45   weatherman but the level of accuracy [TS]

00:59:47   that weather prediction has the fact [TS]

00:59:50   that that we know when these hurricanes [TS]

00:59:51   are going to hit and with really good [TS]

00:59:53   accuracy where they're going to hit when [TS]

00:59:56   15-20 years ago we couldn't do that [TS]

00:59:56   15-20 years ago we couldn't do that [TS]

01:00:00   it's it's really interesting and I think [TS]

01:00:02   the best in the entire book is the fact [TS]

01:00:04   that there's real accuracy and then [TS]

01:00:07   there's accuracy for an audience that a [TS]

01:00:10   lot of the commercial whether predictors [TS]

01:00:12   will if there's fifteen twenty percent [TS]

01:00:14   chance of rain they'll say 50 or 75 [TS]

01:00:16   percent chance of rain and the reason is [TS]

01:00:18   if they say fifteen percent chance of [TS]

01:00:20   rain and you get rained on your in your [TS]

01:00:22   just infuriated because you got wet so [TS]

01:00:24   if there's even a little bit of a chance [TS]

01:00:26   of rain they say yeah it's gonna rain [TS]

01:00:27   because if they're wrong you like how [TS]

01:00:29   well it didn't rain i'm lucky and if if [TS]

01:00:31   there if you get rained on when you [TS]

01:00:33   think there's no rain you're furious at [TS]

01:00:35   the weather people so they just lie they [TS]

01:00:37   just overestimate the rain so that [TS]

01:00:39   you're never going to be mad at them [TS]

01:00:41   it's it's really cool stuff so nate [TS]

01:00:43   silver the signal and the noise i [TS]

01:00:45   recommend it's a lot of fun but it's not [TS]

01:00:46   a novel there's nobody needs / doesn't [TS]

01:00:48   die at the end spoilers but maybe weird [TS]

01:00:51   he does eroded we all die at the [TS]

01:00:53   energies yes there's an earthquake and a [TS]

01:00:55   hurricane simultaneously and a baseball [TS]

01:00:58   player comes and hits a home run and [TS]

01:01:00   that's the end of the book that's how it [TS]

01:01:02   ends [TS]

01:01:02   I'm so glad that I was here for this [TS]

01:01:04   though because I've been to be I've been [TS]

01:01:05   wondering whether that book was actually [TS]

01:01:07   gonna be worth it and on your [TS]

01:01:08   recommendation I shot it's nerdy but I i [TS]

01:01:11   like it i i i love the weather stuff and [TS]

01:01:13   and he talks about earthquakes and and [TS]

01:01:15   and and crime and all sorts of crazy [TS]

01:01:18   stuff like that it's a good book he and [TS]

01:01:20   i read it before the election because i [TS]

01:01:22   like I've been reading nate silver four [TS]

01:01:24   years since when he was back doing [TS]

01:01:25   baseball stuff so I I remember him when [TS]

01:01:29   before his site got assimilated by the [TS]

01:01:30   new york times in fact that the old days [TS]

01:01:33   before he was on the daily show every [TS]

01:01:35   week don't be such a hipster Jason yeah [TS]

01:01:37   I know but back when books were only [TS]

01:01:39   available in print and print those are [TS]

01:01:42   the days that i didn't read very many [TS]

01:01:44   books that because i didn't have the [TS]

01:01:45   time but now I read lots of books they [TS]

01:01:48   were so headed there are two reasons why [TS]

01:01:50   i read a lot of books now one is the [TS]

01:01:52   kindle and the other is the incomparable [TS]

01:01:54   thanks comparable you're welcome James [TS]

01:01:58   because the incomparable book club and [TS]

01:02:00   as we have to do more of these we've [TS]

01:02:02   kind of fallen down on finding agreement [TS]

01:02:04   on what books to read so what we're [TS]

01:02:05   going to do captain for patil next time [TS]

01:02:07   and talk about the shoulder a little bit [TS]

01:02:10   more [TS]

01:02:10   I probably won't be on that lets hasn't [TS]

01:02:13   hasn't read it start at the beginning [TS]

01:02:15   let's just do you have plenty of time [TS]

01:02:17   Charlie Lana 14 books and then you'll be [TS]

01:02:20   caught up you can become sharp minor [TS]

01:02:22   with mari are let me finish watching [TS]

01:02:25   indiana jones yeah we're gonna go watch [TS]

01:02:28   indiana jones we give me at least a [TS]

01:02:30   month or two I watched the first one any [TS]

01:02:32   lost an hour or a while right [TS]

01:02:34   I want to finish the whole series by the [TS]

01:02:37   end of the year so alive so that's good [TS]

01:02:39   you're just in time to watch the lord of [TS]

01:02:40   the rings yeah that's not gonna happen [TS]

01:02:41   anyway so it will do more will do more [TS]

01:02:44   book clubs and we'll try if you're if [TS]

01:02:46   somebody wants to read along we have a [TS]

01:02:47   good reads group and if you follow the [TS]

01:02:49   incomparable on twitter we will announce [TS]

01:02:51   books that we're going to be reading in [TS]

01:02:53   the future on there as well so there [TS]

01:02:54   will be places you can go if you'd like [TS]

01:02:56   to follow along at home with those of us [TS]

01:02:58   who are reading books for the [TS]

01:02:59   incomparable book club and I i think [TS]

01:03:03   that brings us to the end of the show I [TS]

01:03:04   think we've learned a lot I've learned [TS]

01:03:06   and grown as a person listening to the [TS]

01:03:08   wisdom of my three guests Scott McNulty [TS]

01:03:11   I I follow you for all of my kindle and [TS]

01:03:14   ebook reading advice thank you for being [TS]

01:03:16   here [TS]

01:03:16   you know i have a new book coming out to [TS]

01:03:18   send her 24th all about the kindle fire [TS]

01:03:20   just after Christmas just attacked the [TS]

01:03:22   perfect Christmas present amazing get [TS]

01:03:26   three for everyone you know it's the [TS]

01:03:29   wise words strong words but never truer [TS]

01:03:32   words have been spoken than that [TS]

01:03:34   thank you Scott McNulty Dan Morgan do [TS]

01:03:36   you have a book coming out that you'd [TS]

01:03:37   like to fly with night out there waited [TS]

01:03:41   yeah as a way to twist the night there [TS]

01:03:43   dan and I will be releasing our novels [TS]

01:03:46   on the incomparable press book only who [TS]

01:03:49   in the new year may be beautiful but [TS]

01:03:52   yeah it's yes it will be although [TS]

01:03:54   they'll be gorgeous i'll tell you that [TS]

01:03:56   yeah I can't promise the contents any [TS]

01:03:57   good but in fact the paperbacks will be [TS]

01:03:59   purely or poorly assembled a full of bad [TS]

01:04:03   typography just the ticket to those [TS]

01:04:05   publishers set man that we're going to [TS]

01:04:08   take a bath on those sales you should [TS]

01:04:10   print your paper books on 100-percent [TS]

01:04:12   cotton paper that would be nice [TS]

01:04:13   yes well yeah sonu book coming out this [TS]

01:04:17   year but maybe next year next year you [TS]

01:04:19   never know in comfortable press maybe [TS]

01:04:20   it'll happen [TS]

01:04:21   it's good that was good to be here yeah [TS]

01:04:24   I feel like to send it on down note for [TS]

01:04:25   me [TS]

01:04:26   no I'm sure if you really had to have me [TS]

01:04:30   on the show with the other two guys who [TS]

01:04:31   have written books and actually have [TS]

01:04:33   them public street it's just that's your [TS]

01:04:35   legs Friedman do you have a book that [TS]

01:04:36   you'd like to plug thank you for being [TS]

01:04:38   here and thanks for having me i will [TS]

01:04:40   save the of my for published books to [TS]

01:04:42   read every book only and the other two [TS]

01:04:44   which I'm prouder of overall look much [TS]

01:04:47   worse on the kindle because they're also [TS]

01:04:49   illustrated so that's that's the set so [TS]

01:04:52   far so we should buy the kid mcrib and [TS]

01:04:54   the snuggie sutra in paperback I I mean [TS]

01:04:58   I you know I love your books but those [TS]

01:05:00   are books that i would prefer the paper [TS]

01:05:02   version of just because they look better [TS]

01:05:03   I have the kitchen equipment paper i [TS]

01:05:05   don't i don't believe i have a copy of [TS]

01:05:06   the snuggie sutra I don't get 1 i'll [TS]

01:05:08   give you one when i see you don't send [TS]

01:05:10   me 1i bring in your life [TS]

01:05:12   I don't think it'll get through security [TS]

01:05:14   congratulations James office is full of [TS]

01:05:16   snuggles new trial [TS]

01:05:17   oh well okay that's fair enough well [TS]

01:05:19   yeah if you'd like to go to a used [TS]

01:05:21   bookstore from the nineties and buy a [TS]

01:05:24   copy of providing internet services via [TS]

01:05:25   the mac OS you can see the only book [TS]

01:05:27   that I've ever published [TS]

01:05:29   yay or stay tuned for the new year wendy [TS]

01:05:32   and i will be doing making comfortable [TS]

01:05:36   press I possibly self-publishing is a [TS]

01:05:37   viable alternative [TS]

01:05:39   maybe we can point to a bundle tan might [TS]

01:05:41   get both of our books together for one [TS]

01:05:43   low price [TS]

01:05:44   ya like like you will pay you to read [TS]

01:05:46   haha i can happen possible [TS]

01:05:50   alright this has been great thanks [TS]

01:05:52   everybody for listening and thanks to [TS]

01:05:54   you guys again brought published authors [TS]

01:05:56   are not for being here to talk about [TS]

01:05:58   what published authors and their again [TS]

01:06:01   and also thank you to program instead [TS]

01:06:05   have or however you pronounce if that is [TS]

01:06:06   your real name for the for the [TS]

01:06:08   suggestion for this topic because i [TS]

01:06:10   thought this was good and I was [TS]

01:06:11   desperate for a new book club and I I [TS]

01:06:14   jumped on that topic because it was a [TS]

01:06:15   good idea for suggested topic you with a [TS]

01:06:17   free copy of dan morons novel [TS]

01:06:19   or the snuggie sutra right here there [TS]

01:06:21   are extras so maybe maybe that depending [TS]

01:06:25   on your attitude [TS]

01:06:26   alright thanks for listening being [TS]

01:06:27   comfortable this is jason still until [TS]

01:06:29   next time goodbye [TS]