The Incomparable

114: When You Wish Upon a Star Wars


00:00:00   the entire operable podcast episode 114 [TS]

00:00:08   October 2012 [TS]

00:00:11   back on the uncomfortable podcast I'm [TS]

00:00:15   your host Jason smell and we are doing a [TS]

00:00:16   flash podcast this time news has has [TS]

00:00:20   broken on as we record this October [TS]

00:00:23   thirtieth that I was absolutely shocked [TS]

00:00:26   by it would blew me away i actually had [TS]

00:00:29   to do some research because i didn't [TS]

00:00:32   believe what I was seeing I did various [TS]

00:00:34   internet searches is this a reputable [TS]

00:00:35   website that's posting this thing and it [TS]

00:00:39   turns out that today as we record this [TS]

00:00:42   the walt disney company purchased [TS]

00:00:45   Lucasfilm and all of its assets [TS]

00:00:48   including Star Wars for four billion [TS]

00:00:52   dollars and at the same time they [TS]

00:00:55   announced that a new Star Wars sequel [TS]

00:01:00   trilogy is in the works to begin with an [TS]

00:01:03   episode 7 real i cannot believe i'm [TS]

00:01:06   saying this to you all this is I could I [TS]

00:01:09   was gonna swear I'd be rude to be [TS]

00:01:11   released in 2015 joining me to chew on [TS]

00:01:15   what all this means our people who are [TS]

00:01:18   interested in Star Wars serenity [TS]

00:01:20   Caldwell joins us from my closet in [TS]

00:01:22   Massachusetts that hiding from Hurricane [TS]

00:01:25   hi [TS]

00:01:25   that's not true that's impossible [TS]

00:01:29   hi also dan more in high no [TS]

00:01:32   disintegrations and Jonathan John [TS]

00:01:35   siracusa search your feelings etc [TS]

00:01:39   oh thank you and Ben boy check I know [TS]

00:01:42   it's a little early but i just want to [TS]

00:01:43   say happy life day everybody know 100 [TS]

00:01:51   already it's over oh it was over this [TS]

00:01:54   morning so I you know I don't even I'm [TS]

00:01:57   flabbergasted at this news I I have [TS]

00:02:00   mixed emotions I I didn't see it coming [TS]

00:02:02   I I i actually figured that George Lucas [TS]

00:02:04   would keep a stranglehold on star wars [TS]

00:02:07   until he died basically yeah and-and-and [TS]

00:02:11   Moore was killed for me as well that [TS]

00:02:14   would lead to he would be dead he would [TS]

00:02:16   die if he was killed was convicted in [TS]

00:02:18   the People vs George Lucas that's right [TS]

00:02:20   now i'm still waiting for everybody but [TS]

00:02:22   you did the death penalty mm I don't [TS]

00:02:25   know you know I wasn't so surprised that [TS]

00:02:27   the acquisition happened in fact damn [TS]

00:02:30   was the person who told me about it I [TS]

00:02:31   want to watch list feliz oh well it's [TS]

00:02:35   going on and you told me through osmosis [TS]

00:02:39   I when I look tan originally I'm like no [TS]

00:02:42   you know what this makes a lot of sense [TS]

00:02:43   because Disney and Lucasfilm have long [TS]

00:02:46   been integrated with the disney parks [TS]

00:02:48   and everything else I'm and George Lucas [TS]

00:02:50   has been mentioning and rumbling for a [TS]

00:02:52   couple years now that oh he's tired of [TS]

00:02:54   making films and he's tired of the [TS]

00:02:56   community and he really doesn't want to [TS]

00:02:57   be a part of it anymore and he wants to [TS]

00:02:59   retire so I'm like all right you know [TS]

00:03:01   like I can see it I can see him selling [TS]

00:03:04   I can see him retiring and then I saw [TS]

00:03:08   the new Star Wars movie in 2015 and [TS]

00:03:11   that's when my mind exploded [TS]

00:03:13   yeah i pasted that into and I am to Dan [TS]

00:03:15   and he said something like what is this [TS]

00:03:18   likely he was is this some sort of money [TS]

00:03:21   joke about this [TS]

00:03:22   no not it's not even very funny i spent [TS]

00:03:25   all day say like all afternoon going [TS]

00:03:27   what what is happening what is going on [TS]

00:03:29   right now I don't understand it's very [TS]

00:03:32   confusing part of me is like using you [TS]

00:03:35   know I i remember hearing when I was [TS]

00:03:38   younger you know like a teenager about [TS]

00:03:39   like all the all yeah somebody's gonna [TS]

00:03:42   make 789 after he makes the prequels [TS]

00:03:44   blah blah blah always seems like you [TS]

00:03:46   know forever you know that was that was [TS]

00:03:48   just something in the distant future and [TS]

00:03:50   then later on older I got he denied it [TS]

00:03:52   like now I'm never gonna make those are [TS]

00:03:54   done and you know we got we got lulled [TS]

00:03:57   into a false sense of security [TS]

00:03:59   it's a trap [TS]

00:04:01   I heard those same stories about 70 and [TS]

00:04:04   i need to i was a kid which was far in [TS]

00:04:06   all the old people that he asked that's [TS]

00:04:07   been around forever it's like you're [TS]

00:04:09   right after Jedi to know they're gonna [TS]

00:04:10   make one two and three and seven eight [TS]

00:04:13   nine and there's a lava pit in like just [TS]

00:04:15   the whole mind yards with its we just [TS]

00:04:18   you know that i don't know i think small [TS]

00:04:20   true John it's altered true to keep true [TS]

00:04:24   but it's like a month but it's like a [TS]

00:04:26   monkey paw story we're like you get what [TS]

00:04:28   you wish but it's like terrible chamblee [TS]

00:04:31   liked me what you're doing you're like [TS]

00:04:33   no monkey paw please no more I I mean [TS]

00:04:38   Lucas himself said I feel like there's [TS]

00:04:40   an interview for five years ago where [TS]

00:04:42   he's like oh no I'm never gonna do 789 [TS]

00:04:45   because the extended universe all of the [TS]

00:04:47   novels and the video games and [TS]

00:04:49   everything else I've already touched on [TS]

00:04:50   that and i'm content playing in my one [TS]

00:04:53   through six you know sandbox of terror [TS]

00:04:56   and destruction [TS]

00:04:57   I honestly when they said oh we're going [TS]

00:05:00   to make Episode seven my first thought [TS]

00:05:03   beyond WTF was what on earth is it going [TS]

00:05:08   to be about the unless they recast it [TS]

00:05:11   they're either going to eight storylines [TS]

00:05:13   from the extended universe or they're [TS]

00:05:14   going to do something else and d [TS]

00:05:17   canonize the entire extended universe [TS]

00:05:19   but they can't possibly use the same [TS]

00:05:20   actors right well mean so there's a [TS]

00:05:23   story now there's a story on [TS]

00:05:25   starwars.com but why I think some sort [TS]

00:05:28   of a archivist who said that at one [TS]

00:05:31   point uh mark hamill was having a [TS]

00:05:34   conversation I think when they were [TS]

00:05:35   shooting empire with George Lucas and [TS]

00:05:37   George said yeah I'm going to do one two [TS]

00:05:39   and three [TS]

00:05:40   after a break and then I'm gonna do so [TS]

00:05:42   i'm gonna do 789 @ & and you so I might [TS]

00:05:46   need you to be in episode 7 and Mark [TS]

00:05:47   Hamill said when would that be and he [TS]

00:05:50   said you know like 2011 something like [TS]

00:05:52   that and i started the series always pop [TS]

00:05:55   them [TS]

00:05:56   yeah I know I know but they were all [TS]

00:05:57   ridiculous and and and Lucas was always [TS]

00:05:59   like well I'm gonna retire you know i [TS]

00:06:02   i'm not going to do any more of those [TS]

00:06:03   and turns out it was actually i'm going [TS]

00:06:05   to sell the company to a big movie [TS]

00:06:07   studio and I'm gonna let my cat why [TS]

00:06:10   Kathleen Kennedy right that his old [TS]

00:06:12   producer that isn't she's in charge and [TS]

00:06:14   you guys make whatever you want i'm out [TS]

00:06:16   of here i got four billion bucks by [TS]

00:06:18   that's that's the thing that's what [TS]

00:06:19   makes this my initial thought was was [TS]

00:06:21   the same as everybody else's my initial [TS]

00:06:23   thought was capital and capital o no but [TS]

00:06:27   then I stopped in several capital o's [TS]

00:06:29   after that right yeah yeah no I really [TS]

00:06:33   thought you know in a episode 7 and I [TS]

00:06:36   thought I don't think they've made or [TS]

00:06:38   could possibly make enough prozac tuned [TS]

00:06:42   to make this right with me but then I [TS]

00:06:44   got to thinking about it and I started [TS]

00:06:47   reading a little bit and I read the [TS]

00:06:48   press releases and started reading some [TS]

00:06:50   of the new stories and I realize wait a [TS]

00:06:52   minute [TS]

00:06:52   II Lucas isn't gonna write and direct [TS]

00:06:56   this thing prize find the Sun comes out [TS]

00:06:59   well maybe I can almost live with I can [TS]

00:07:03   all live with that side we've already [TS]

00:07:06   hit rock bottom right like there's [TS]

00:07:08   nobody you hope so they don't like yeah [TS]

00:07:11   I mean there's a pretty bad i mean i [TS]

00:07:13   think we all agree like the little [TS]

00:07:15   here's the thing to think about because [TS]

00:07:17   that's not my fault he was in the chat [TS]

00:07:18   room right and no i didn't deny it as [TS]

00:07:21   you know right this is the cautionary [TS]

00:07:23   tale everybody and all the costas and [TS]

00:07:26   we're going to release one new Star Wars [TS]

00:07:27   movie every two to three years think [TS]

00:07:29   about Star Trek one new movie every two [TS]

00:07:31   to three years [TS]

00:07:32   what does that mean forever until we get [TS]

00:07:34   star trek five is that what has to [TS]

00:07:36   happen is that you understand and we in [TS]

00:07:38   the waters play out in the words of the [TS]

00:07:41   immortal Phil Hartman from the simpsons [TS]

00:07:44   until the series becomes unprofitable [TS]

00:07:47   right about one thing is like they have [TS]

00:07:50   seven behind you have an 89 fine but [TS]

00:07:53   just they just keep going eventually you [TS]

00:07:54   get you know the undiscovered country [TS]

00:07:56   like it just happened you know how do [TS]

00:07:57   you mean you can't avoid it and so [TS]

00:07:59   that's the nightmare scenario is way out [TS]

00:08:01   in our future hopefully by then we will [TS]

00:08:02   be totally detached for this and we will [TS]

00:08:04   just be looking at it as if we're [TS]

00:08:06   floating above our own bodies huh what's [TS]

00:08:10   right or we re blue outline ghosts is [TS]

00:08:12   that what we are in this scenario if [TS]

00:08:14   only the GI don't have maybe we've been [TS]

00:08:17   replaced with our younger actress [TS]

00:08:19   yeah i know i mean they said [TS]

00:08:22   specifically why I listen to the [TS]

00:08:24   financial call along with dan and Jason [TS]

00:08:26   was in [TS]

00:08:27   staying worst Apple results call ever oh [TS]

00:08:29   it is often made for behind dollars they [TS]

00:08:33   said very specifically that they were [TS]

00:08:35   going to do 789 is a trilogy and then [TS]

00:08:38   they were basically going to mind the [TS]

00:08:40   star wars universe for other live-action [TS]

00:08:42   stories so we're not necessarily [TS]

00:08:44   sticking with the same characters [TS]

00:08:46   presuming that we're sticking with the [TS]

00:08:47   same characters to begin with 4789 and I [TS]

00:08:50   mean I could see really interesting [TS]

00:08:52   little stories as wanted to anyone [TS]

00:08:55   the boba fett movie you know what I [TS]

00:08:58   would watch the boba fett movies [TS]

00:09:00   I remember everything about you had John [TS]

00:09:01   88 movie yeah well that but I mean you [TS]

00:09:05   movie i would watch a kids movie with [TS]

00:09:07   r2d2 and c3po paddling around like I i [TS]

00:09:10   would genuinely enjoy that if it were [TS]

00:09:12   well written so i have a question which [TS]

00:09:14   is we listen to a little bit they talked [TS]

00:09:16   a little bit about some of the right [TS]

00:09:17   stuff is is still you know tied up there [TS]

00:09:19   are some production like deals you know [TS]

00:09:21   for example some reason in Armenia Jones [TS]

00:09:23   is because they're got some deals with [TS]

00:09:25   with paramount now some of the it sounds [TS]

00:09:27   like the originals are all tied up with [TS]

00:09:29   fox right second question whether or not [TS]

00:09:33   you know this is george lucas still have [TS]

00:09:34   enough pull their to prevent ever the [TS]

00:09:36   release of the remastered I don't think [TS]

00:09:38   ever since I think always on the table [TS]

00:09:40   III think it's entirely possible that if [TS]

00:09:42   disney and and Fox felt that there was a [TS]

00:09:45   market for you know a blu-ray restored [TS]

00:09:49   version of Star Wars i bet i bet they [TS]

00:09:51   bet they would do it but they could do [TS]

00:09:53   it i don't know if they'll decide if [TS]

00:09:55   it's worth it to do it you know anyone [TS]

00:09:57   land only you know didn't they wouldn't [TS]

00:10:00   running on that that's that's the dreams [TS]

00:10:02   like the upside of this announcement is [TS]

00:10:04   one George Lucas has no involvement [TS]

00:10:05   doesn't write it doesn't do anything [TS]

00:10:07   terrible easily the Creator consult John [TS]

00:10:10   right well which i read as being that [TS]

00:10:12   he's got his notes about what 789 would [TS]

00:10:14   have been from like 1974 [TS]

00:10:17   yeah that's great George and I added [TS]

00:10:18   those weirdos out here and rough outline [TS]

00:10:21   was more or less a creative consultant [TS]

00:10:23   an empire and look how that turned out [TS]

00:10:25   exactly yeah they know that is a guy [TS]

00:10:27   who's Skywalker's father darth vader you [TS]

00:10:29   don't find out into the middle movie [TS]

00:10:31   then he's redeemed right thank you do [TS]

00:10:33   you work now we'll take it from the only [TS]

00:10:34   thing that makes me really hopeful is [TS]

00:10:37   that star tours is perhaps one of my [TS]

00:10:39   favorite ride [TS]

00:10:40   heads of all time in a Disney Universe [TS]

00:10:43   and that script is incredibly [TS]

00:10:45   well-written even the new version which [TS]

00:10:47   has prequel seems so I'm you know going [TS]

00:10:50   in their bias to hate it was really [TS]

00:10:53   clever really well done [TS]

00:10:55   they know how to handle the material you [TS]

00:10:57   know and so you've already seen what a [TS]

00:10:59   collaboration between lucas r Lucasfilm [TS]

00:11:01   and disney will work out so i'm curious [TS]

00:11:04   to see if they can actually you know do [TS]

00:11:06   that and as elegant as Jason said you've [TS]

00:11:08   seen how the kate the big like the [TS]

00:11:10   collaboration between say Disney and [TS]

00:11:12   Marvel which is also in my disney worked [TS]

00:11:14   out you know we've gotten a whole bunch [TS]

00:11:16   of money some someone even yeah but like [TS]

00:11:18   the point is that they they do try to [TS]

00:11:21   bring in people computer before [TS]

00:11:23   daredevil daredevil okay yeah well you [TS]

00:11:27   know people talk about how well that [TS]

00:11:29   they handle Marvel and how much better [TS]

00:11:30   the mark how much better uh that there's [TS]

00:11:33   a lot better than four miles from any [TS]

00:11:35   sort of DC license but think of it this [TS]

00:11:36   way i would rather have the DC treatment [TS]

00:11:38   where you pick one crazy obsessed you [TS]

00:11:42   know altar to do your movies for one [TS]

00:11:44   flagship guy you Christopher alone and [TS]

00:11:46   you give him three movies and maybe [TS]

00:11:48   messes up the third but I would much [TS]

00:11:49   rather see that treatment then the [TS]

00:11:51   marble treatment like everybody gets a [TS]

00:11:53   property you get a property you get the [TS]

00:11:54   property make normal things present nor [TS]

00:11:56   things of Luke though because if you [TS]

00:11:58   look at now they're trying to start [TS]

00:11:59   talking about justice league and all [TS]

00:12:01   that but they saw it right making money [TS]

00:12:02   on it pick a director give him three [TS]

00:12:05   movies let him do a christopher nolan on [TS]

00:12:07   Star Wars as we only chance we have to [TS]

00:12:08   get only you could argue that that was [TS]

00:12:10   what George Lucas did to star wars in [TS]

00:12:12   the first place so our buddy uh our [TS]

00:12:15   buddy John Gruber ask this question and [TS]

00:12:16   I thought it was interesting speaking of [TS]

00:12:18   directors which is what director would [TS]

00:12:21   you love what is your dream decision to [TS]

00:12:25   direct Star Wars again i can't believe [TS]

00:12:28   i'm saying the Star Wars Episode 7 we're [TS]

00:12:31   doing living or dead or 70 like real [TS]

00:12:34   reality isn't like fantasy to the [TS]

00:12:35   reality do person well ask me Carson [TS]

00:12:38   well well mr alfred hitchcock's star [TS]

00:12:44   wars [TS]

00:12:44   oh you know what i would watch Woody [TS]

00:12:46   Allen dude you're at all your beauty [TS]

00:12:49   I mean I'm looking for going on and oh [TS]

00:12:54   you're in tirana console let me tell you [TS]

00:12:56   what do you mean I got a gorgeous you [TS]

00:13:01   know I think I think you know obviously [TS]

00:13:03   just sweden has been bandied about a lot [TS]

00:13:05   of my work with just means i think just [TS]

00:13:07   weed is smart enough to know like that's [TS]

00:13:10   just a different he's gotta tell he's [TS]

00:13:11   gotten franchises I feel like he's not [TS]

00:13:14   he's not a good fit i don't think he's [TS]

00:13:15   worried he's working on [TS]

00:13:16   he's basically a down the Marvel path [TS]

00:13:18   now right so he's on a franchise JJ [TS]

00:13:20   Abrams who I think wouldn't be a great [TS]

00:13:22   fit at this point again he's got a [TS]

00:13:23   franchise he's on the franchise he's [TS]

00:13:25   evil riendo those guys are kicking [TS]

00:13:26   themselves now everybody's I know we can [TS]

00:13:28   add star wars [TS]

00:13:30   Oh dad who's the guy did his middleman [TS]

00:13:32   javi [TS]

00:13:33   yeah I don't know you he probably [TS]

00:13:36   doesn't have the credit is not full well [TS]

00:13:38   he's just told me he's just a writer [TS]

00:13:39   really he's not a all director but I [TS]

00:13:42   mean I'm just what I mean let's see if [TS]

00:13:44   the group was on the David Fincher train [TS]

00:13:46   adventure like future but I don't think [TS]

00:13:47   features i don't think it's right [TS]

00:13:50   the director doesn't matter as much as [TS]

00:13:51   the script does because the script wants [TS]

00:13:53   friends like what kind of movie is this [TS]

00:13:55   is a dumb kids movie or is it like you [TS]

00:13:57   know really smart like that the script [TS]

00:14:00   is what really then all you need is the [TS]

00:14:02   right director to a not screw up the [TS]

00:14:04   script and be maybe enhanced but it all [TS]

00:14:06   depends on that script because you have [TS]

00:14:07   you give if you give like a not-so-great [TS]

00:14:10   script to anybody it's just gonna be [TS]

00:14:12   we're whatever you know it's gotta be a [TS]

00:14:14   great script so I think the writer is [TS]

00:14:16   haha yeah we saw it semi good with [TS]

00:14:20   spider-man 3 [TS]

00:14:21   yeah like it's nothing you can do like [TS]

00:14:24   you're all you use all your skills and [TS]

00:14:25   all your powers and it's like I got to [TS]

00:14:27   work with here like it's just no good [TS]

00:14:28   you know it's like it that's when the [TS]

00:14:30   Empire pods guess the thing that [TS]

00:14:32   elevates that is the script is just so [TS]

00:14:33   much better and then of course yes [TS]

00:14:35   everything execute and also understood [TS]

00:14:36   but if you don't have a great script the [TS]

00:14:38   director does not make it do about it i [TS]

00:14:40   can rewrite the movies themselves like [TS]

00:14:41   it shouldn't director can be the can be [TS]

00:14:43   the boss of the movie and can exert some [TS]

00:14:45   creative control and get things to be [TS]

00:14:46   you know get things that come in line [TS]

00:14:49   right that's something like the Nolan [TS]

00:14:51   thing like where he was just that's that [TS]

00:14:52   was his crazy project he's gonna reboot [TS]

00:14:54   Batman he's totally serious about i'm [TS]

00:14:56   sure he controlled every aspect of that [TS]

00:14:58   thing and if he wasn't happy with the [TS]

00:14:59   script you know go around in circles [TS]

00:15:00   until he got what he wanted [TS]

00:15:02   and you know because Batman Begins [TS]

00:15:03   wasn't just a good batman movie had a [TS]

00:15:05   good script not gonna name her rights [TS]

00:15:07   back out at level script but that's [TS]

00:15:09   that's what we need so I want I want to [TS]

00:15:10   know who the writer is and i want them [TS]

00:15:12   to take it seriously and write it like i [TS]

00:15:15   said lord of the rings but like that's [TS]

00:15:16   not that's cheating already had somebody [TS]

00:15:18   don't let somebody hand Wes Anderson 250 [TS]

00:15:21   million dollars for this the odds get [TS]

00:15:23   this going to fit [TS]

00:15:24   oh gosh russia says get it done [TS]

00:15:27   red star wars Academy with the bill [TS]

00:15:29   murray as the headmaster and the iso my [TS]

00:15:33   all so somebody a grouper also mentioned [TS]

00:15:36   brad bird who directed the incredibles [TS]

00:15:38   and did the mission impossible ghost [TS]

00:15:41   protocol which was actually pretty good [TS]

00:15:43   it was fine but was the script to ghost [TS]

00:15:46   Protocol all that awesome i didn't think [TS]

00:15:48   it was I think it's the moviemaking was [TS]

00:15:50   excellent top-notch moviemaking but the [TS]

00:15:52   script was like man like example I i [TS]

00:15:54   like the bourne movies better than ghost [TS]

00:15:56   protocol and it's not be going more [TS]

00:15:57   movies better made movies it's because [TS]

00:16:00   these stories are better script was [TS]

00:16:01   better right but all the bird has some [TS]

00:16:04   good writing credentials that just not [TS]

00:16:05   that not that movie like that he didn't [TS]

00:16:07   write and write that anybody but you [TS]

00:16:09   know the incredibles and ratatouille [TS]

00:16:11   wasn't saying yeah like when you give [TS]

00:16:13   the guy everyone think I'd be in charge [TS]

00:16:14   like that wasn't you know he was reading [TS]

00:16:16   The Impossible movie wasn't next Brad [TS]

00:16:18   Bird movie right i'm driving was bred [TS]

00:16:20   burden would be you know so so i would [TS]

00:16:22   love to see a Brad Bird Star Wars my my [TS]

00:16:25   nomination is duncan jones who directed [TS]

00:16:28   moon and source code that's my that's my [TS]

00:16:32   dark horse pic OH [TS]

00:16:33   ah good good director like that yeah you [TS]

00:16:37   right here and ok good director good [TS]

00:16:40   movie but we're not here to talk about [TS]

00:16:42   source code but i think i think he gets [TS]

00:16:44   the genre and is a and is a very [TS]

00:16:47   interesting director and would be an [TS]

00:16:48   interesting choice i feel like the [TS]

00:16:49   director for a movie like this unless [TS]

00:16:51   they get some I mean I was just saying [TS]

00:16:53   let's get some random person but [TS]

00:16:55   actually if you look at the way the [TS]

00:16:56   harry potter directors have been [TS]

00:16:57   selected it has been a random [TS]

00:16:59   cross-section of well-known directors [TS]

00:17:01   and completely like unknown directors [TS]

00:17:04   like David Yates who directed TV [TS]

00:17:07   mini-series directed state of play right [TS]

00:17:09   on bbc1's you right let's go to the [TS]

00:17:11   audio to what I like Spielberg [TS]

00:17:14   really i I just I don't think he depart [TS]

00:17:18   can't be a lot of their story I don't [TS]

00:17:19   want to do it like you do it either but [TS]

00:17:22   it would be it would be interesting what [TS]

00:17:24   he directed 30 years he's gone he's gone [TS]

00:17:27   too soft to do what I want this wheel is [TS]

00:17:30   on ya after Schindler's List managed [TS]

00:17:33   just not just not hungry i feel like you [TS]

00:17:35   would ever like he would make out we can [TS]

00:17:37   focus [TS]

00:17:39   he's gonna be like a little baby shine [TS]

00:17:40   here the Empire the crystal skull [TS]

00:17:43   oh yeah that doesn't matter [TS]

00:17:46   those two old men Crystal Skull look [TS]

00:17:48   what happened you can't those guys are [TS]

00:17:50   out you guys got to be young I think we [TS]

00:17:52   I mean all the people who've been naming [TS]

00:17:53   also like doesn't have to be someone [TS]

00:17:54   younger someone hungry what my mother [TS]

00:17:57   used to studio director and liking [TS]

00:17:59   others like hey you know we need we need [TS]

00:18:01   to find somebody who's just going to [TS]

00:18:03   basically do we don't want to screw this [TS]

00:18:04   up so we want to find somebody who's [TS]

00:18:05   gonna do what we tell them to you and I [TS]

00:18:07   think that would be the most disastrous [TS]

00:18:08   thing [TS]

00:18:09   yeah yeah well I mean they took a chance [TS]

00:18:12   on Joss Whedon for Avengers and it [TS]

00:18:14   turned out really well for them so maybe [TS]

00:18:16   they have learned positively from that [TS]

00:18:18   experience don't learn live and don't [TS]

00:18:20   well you know I i would love to see and [TS]

00:18:24   it will never happen but i would love to [TS]

00:18:25   see ryan Johnson take a whack at it just [TS]

00:18:27   because I think he has a really [TS]

00:18:28   interesting you of movie cinema in the [TS]

00:18:32   world but who is he what did you do [TS]

00:18:35   Luke Bryan Johnson did looper he did [TS]

00:18:37   brothers blown i got no I so I've been [TS]

00:18:39   avoiding that and the podcast with him [TS]

00:18:41   on it because i don't want to stay [TS]

00:18:42   smaller yeah no heat [TS]

00:18:45   he is has a very good idea of how sci-fi [TS]

00:18:47   works and works i feel very very well [TS]

00:18:52   with complicated plots and good dialogue [TS]

00:18:54   so you know it could be work and it's [TS]

00:18:57   you know it's interesting given [TS]

00:18:58   obviously how many directors who are [TS]

00:19:01   around you especially younger directors [TS]

00:19:03   and at this point are the ones who cite [TS]

00:19:05   Star Wars is such a major influence on [TS]

00:19:07   their life right you know so it is weird [TS]

00:19:10   to think that you know you might get a [TS]

00:19:11   chance to to touch something that that [TS]

00:19:14   is that influential and i can see that [TS]

00:19:17   being you know they're being a lot of [TS]

00:19:18   trepidation around that but I hope [TS]

00:19:21   somebody i hope they find somebody good [TS]

00:19:22   you gotta do is not going to make a [TS]

00:19:24   terrible mess of it already said that [TS]

00:19:27   it's with Star Trek right JJ had the [TS]

00:19:29   stance but I felt like that JJ Abrams [TS]

00:19:31   Star Trek's area like I like that movie [TS]

00:19:33   but it kind of has the thing of like [TS]

00:19:35   they let him direct their next star wars [TS]

00:19:37   movie but it wasn't it when you watch it [TS]

00:19:40   wasn't like this looks like a J from [TS]

00:19:41   story like he didn't that's I don't want [TS]

00:19:43   that to happen like that was the was a [TS]

00:19:45   trend was saying that the students just [TS]

00:19:46   gonna want to have control I give it to [TS]

00:19:48   you and don't screw it up but you don't [TS]

00:19:49   really get much influence because the [TS]

00:19:51   star wars star trek reboot that wasn't a [TS]

00:19:54   JJ Abrams story just didn't seem like it [TS]

00:19:55   to me or if it was he was cowed by [TS]

00:19:57   whatever it is they wanted to keep it is [TS]

00:19:59   directing job on it but like I want [TS]

00:20:02   someone to really put their fingerprint [TS]

00:20:03   on it now I don't have to crown the guy [TS]

00:20:06   really fast [TS]

00:20:06   I mean those are those are his those [TS]

00:20:08   guys who wrote it and it felt Abrams e [TS]

00:20:11   to me other than the fact that it didn't [TS]

00:20:13   start with the flash forward and then [TS]

00:20:15   say you know three days earlier and then [TS]

00:20:17   tell the actual story that's the big [TS]

00:20:18   Abrams part is missing [TS]

00:20:20   I think maybe he felt like an obligation [TS]

00:20:22   to the two I don't know if you'd call it [TS]

00:20:26   to like to make it dance the dance of [TS]

00:20:28   startrack yeah like sorrow I having body [TS]

00:20:30   of you know and and that we're gonna get [TS]

00:20:33   it and yet it's incredibly Star Wars [TS]

00:20:35   like a movie what he didn't he didn't [TS]

00:20:36   write it and he had his guy is that he [TS]

00:20:38   had his guys who love star trek write [TS]

00:20:40   the script and then he in [TS]

00:20:41   yeah and then he tried to make it good [TS]

00:20:43   and they it's an interesting compromise [TS]

00:20:45   your right but and the joss whedon think [TS]

00:20:46   maybe I you know an interesting example [TS]

00:20:48   of somebody who's been given and before [TS]

00:20:50   we didn't you know if you think of these [TS]

00:20:52   things is not a single movies but as you [TS]

00:20:55   know they are franchises but they're [TS]

00:20:57   also almost like TV shows and that [TS]

00:20:58   there's a there's a through-line for the [TS]

00:21:00   plot and we're talking about three [TS]

00:21:02   movies not just a single movie and with [TS]

00:21:04   the Marvel movies first you had jon [TS]

00:21:05   favreau kind of shepherding it from the [TS]

00:21:08   original iron man movie up to the [TS]

00:21:10   Avengers and he basically did a but a [TS]

00:21:12   baton pass to joss whedon who's sort of [TS]

00:21:16   you know basically the creative director [TS]

00:21:18   working with the studio but you get the [TS]

00:21:20   in a sense that he is shaping the [TS]

00:21:23   storylines for all of these movies for [TS]

00:21:25   the next cycle and so that that's an [TS]

00:21:27   interesting question would they know [TS]

00:21:29   who's going to be the driving force is [TS]

00:21:30   going to be you know Kennedy and the [TS]

00:21:32   people at at Lucasfilm corporate with a [TS]

00:21:36   sort of like random collection of [TS]

00:21:38   writers and directors or is there going [TS]

00:21:40   to be somebody who is [TS]

00:21:41   brought in and said you know we really [TS]

00:21:42   do want you to be the creative forces [TS]

00:21:44   driving it and I'm a little skeptical [TS]

00:21:46   but what about I mean you know there [TS]

00:21:50   have been some very very fine a [TS]

00:21:51   science-fiction movies over the Pamela [TS]

00:21:55   was the guy who was the name of the guy [TS]

00:21:58   who directed district nine I've been [TS]

00:21:59   searching for and I couldn't old Bob [TS]

00:22:02   Blomkamp around camp and yon camp was [TS]

00:22:05   erected was originally supposed to [TS]

00:22:06   direct the halo movie that never happens [TS]

00:22:08   if he would have fit with halo but i [TS]

00:22:09   can't imagine like really gross aliens [TS]

00:22:12   and uh huh [TS]

00:22:13   district nine meet style yeah but I mean [TS]

00:22:16   did you get hard to judge them on just [TS]

00:22:18   the basis of one movie too [TS]

00:22:19   yeah that'sthat's true you know these [TS]

00:22:23   are yummy looking at jackson enough guys [TS]

00:22:25   have done interesting step up [TS]

00:22:27   yeah Peter Jackson's interesting example [TS]

00:22:29   because you had like you know dead alive [TS]

00:22:31   and heavenly creature or creatures and [TS]

00:22:34   you're like who is this guy splatter her [TS]

00:22:36   and then heavenly creatures and then he [TS]

00:22:39   gets Lord of the Rings you don't know [TS]

00:22:40   what the heck to expect that you skipped [TS]

00:22:41   you skipped a couple really creepy like [TS]

00:22:43   really weird movies in there too i was [TS]

00:22:45   doing that was doing the endpoints yeah [TS]

00:22:47   but I was writing and everybody meeting [TS]

00:22:49   will write more on and the frighteners [TS]

00:22:51   is like that was just mediocre and just [TS]

00:22:53   not good at all it was like I'd rather [TS]

00:22:54   you know it the other polls but you [TS]

00:22:56   don't know what to expect when he gets [TS]

00:22:57   the Lord of the Rings franchises and [TS]

00:22:58   everyone's nervous about it but he ended [TS]

00:23:00   up being pretty conservative with the [TS]

00:23:03   treatment of or the ranks of it with the [TS]

00:23:05   neil whose name I don't try to pronounce [TS]

00:23:07   of district nine thing yet we don't [TS]

00:23:08   really know what he would do if given [TS]

00:23:11   like I would like to see him get the [TS]

00:23:12   hello Francesca think that would be a [TS]

00:23:14   good fit but that blew up but Jackson [TS]

00:23:16   again is an example of a guy who's a [TS]

00:23:18   director who is it was a somewhat [TS]

00:23:21   accomplished director but also a writer [TS]

00:23:23   with a you know with Philippa boyens the [TS]

00:23:25   sort of writing team for four lord the [TS]

00:23:27   rings and and you know that's the [TS]

00:23:28   question is do you do you have somebody [TS]

00:23:31   like that who can do both those things [TS]

00:23:32   and can really guide it through or do [TS]

00:23:34   you you know is having a very studio [TS]

00:23:37   studio system kind of we've got a script [TS]

00:23:39   and now we'll hire a director you know [TS]

00:23:42   yeah I don't know we should say that [TS]

00:23:44   there's there's other there's other [TS]

00:23:46   stuff going on in the background here [TS]

00:23:47   too because they've been developing a [TS]

00:23:48   star wars TV series in the background [TS]

00:23:51   here while and I don't know if that's [TS]

00:23:52   gonna keep going i was a [TS]

00:23:53   we mentioned during the call today that [TS]

00:23:55   they're like they saw that as an [TS]

00:23:56   opportunity right like television rights [TS]

00:23:58   hehe market and that they're gonna do [TS]

00:24:00   animation like they'd been living with [TS]

00:24:03   doing animate right for a long time [TS]

00:24:04   right Clone Wars has been around for [TS]

00:24:06   several years now right but I I don't [TS]

00:24:10   know it's interesting because now that [TS]

00:24:12   you separate the property from the [TS]

00:24:13   person who's created it right and i [TS]

00:24:16   think you know all bets are off in terms [TS]

00:24:18   of like yeah you don't really [TS]

00:24:19   necessarily need like an all a single [TS]

00:24:20   altar to do it i think you could get [TS]

00:24:22   away with someone writing a good script [TS]

00:24:23   and someone you know a solid director [TS]

00:24:25   but i think they do have to be a team I [TS]

00:24:27   mean you know no one doesn't necessarily [TS]

00:24:29   write all the scripts for the Batman [TS]

00:24:30   movie work something that sort of his [TS]

00:24:31   brother I believe you know and i think [TS]

00:24:34   there's I think they did tell me that I [TS]

00:24:36   would see some of the I mean there's [TS]

00:24:38   some great writers out there not just in [TS]

00:24:39   Hollywood but in like you know comic [TS]

00:24:41   book when I don't know why Bryant Bryant [TS]

00:24:42   a bondsman name popped to mind but I [TS]

00:24:45   thought about someone like him as a as [TS]

00:24:47   an interesting example of the kind of [TS]

00:24:48   writers they could attract this [TS]

00:24:49   yeah i mean the one danger that I worry [TS]

00:24:53   about is star wars is a definitive point [TS]

00:24:56   of many people's childhoods and many [TS]

00:24:58   current artists where they kind of got [TS]

00:25:01   there there sci-fi/fantasy bug and I do [TS]

00:25:04   worry about the being so reverential to [TS]

00:25:07   the treatments that it you know [TS]

00:25:09   overloads the movie and we're just [TS]

00:25:11   getting nothing but references things [TS]

00:25:13   like that i mean i think we kind of got [TS]

00:25:15   a taste with that the prequels and and [TS]

00:25:18   all of the other sort of reboots they've [TS]

00:25:20   been going on in the last 10 years but [TS]

00:25:23   that said they've really got to be [TS]

00:25:25   careful to make sure to get somebody who [TS]

00:25:27   you know can knows the material and can [TS]

00:25:29   work with material but isn't going to be [TS]

00:25:32   sluggish Lee you know in love with it [TS]

00:25:34   and devoted to trying to make everything [TS]

00:25:38   you know you don't want to do what Lucas [TS]

00:25:40   would do so let's see what you got [TS]

00:25:44   finding jobs think about what this book [TS]

00:25:46   that [TS]

00:25:47   yeah is this steve jobs are still alive [TS]

00:25:51   he is done so is is this i mean [TS]

00:25:54   unbalanced you do you think this is a [TS]

00:25:55   good this is good news or bad news that [TS]

00:25:57   that because because we've got George [TS]

00:25:59   Lucas kind of stepping away which gives [TS]

00:26:01   this franchise an opportunity to not [TS]

00:26:04   being covered by all of these issues [TS]

00:26:07   that [TS]

00:26:07   people have with George Lucas and his [TS]

00:26:08   bad writing and his strange ideas but at [TS]

00:26:12   the same time they're making more star [TS]

00:26:14   wars movies and that's scary because [TS]

00:26:16   that who knows what they'll be so on [TS]

00:26:18   balance is this you know is this news [TS]

00:26:20   today good or bad [TS]

00:26:22   to what do I think I think there's this [TS]

00:26:24   there's actually cynical part of me that [TS]

00:26:25   was like you know where the story goes [TS]

00:26:28   like what are they doing but I i gotta [TS]

00:26:30   admit I was feeling a little bit giddy [TS]

00:26:32   all afternoon after i heard this i don't [TS]

00:26:34   i don't know what like again all prior [TS]

00:26:36   evidence suggests i should not feel [TS]

00:26:39   excited about this and yet there was a [TS]

00:26:41   part of me that like was that [TS]

00:26:42   sixteen-year-old again who was going on [TS]

00:26:45   I got any more stars that's awesome so I [TS]

00:26:48   i don't know i mean it's i should i [TS]

00:26:52   should be wary of getting burned again [TS]

00:26:53   but i find it hard to believe that I [TS]

00:26:56   won't be there on opening night I think [TS]

00:27:00   it's universally positive because I at [TS]

00:27:03   the prequels really just like severed [TS]

00:27:05   any relationship I had like that that [TS]

00:27:08   was that was the cutoff point that [TS]

00:27:10   isolated my three star wars movies from [TS]

00:27:12   the rest of the universe and now i'm [TS]

00:27:15   just so happy to have as many other [TS]

00:27:16   people have said that I always assumed [TS]

00:27:18   that to wait for George looks to die [TS]

00:27:19   before this with him I want someone else [TS]

00:27:21   to be able to do stuff in the universe [TS]

00:27:23   and i have no attachment like it's not [TS]

00:27:25   like the Phantom Menace like I'm I'm [TS]

00:27:27   totally psyched for new movies not [TS]

00:27:28   because I'm not attached i'm not like oh [TS]

00:27:31   man this again because I know it's not [TS]

00:27:32   going to be the best movie ever like I'm [TS]

00:27:33   bargaining at this point like I hope [TS]

00:27:35   it's at least as good as JJ Abrams Star [TS]

00:27:37   Trek and it won't lessen the other [TS]

00:27:38   movies to me anything like that like [TS]

00:27:40   it's just it's totally divorced and [TS]

00:27:42   totally separate but there are so many [TS]

00:27:43   possibilities and of course the other [TS]

00:27:45   one that I'm excited about is the [TS]

00:27:46   possibility of having you know blu-ray [TS]

00:27:49   version of the theory releases put out [TS]

00:27:51   right but but it looks like that the [TS]

00:27:54   star trek is the doomsday scenario where [TS]

00:27:55   they just make movie after movie and [TS]

00:27:57   then just become increasingly terrible [TS]

00:27:58   and just becomes a mess but so fine like [TS]

00:28:00   if you might really want to do that it's [TS]

00:28:02   kind of disappointing but i'm not i'm [TS]

00:28:03   not attached to it anymore like that [TS]

00:28:04   I've I bet is that there's a Chinese [TS]

00:28:07   wall between the three star wars movies [TS]

00:28:09   and then anything it's like expanding [TS]

00:28:11   universe I don't get annoyed about crazy [TS]

00:28:13   stuff happening expanding universe i [TS]

00:28:14   have no idea what's going on those books [TS]

00:28:15   I don't read them they don't bother me I [TS]

00:28:17   it was because like the prequels were [TS]

00:28:20   like [TS]

00:28:21   going to be canonical by the same guy [TS]

00:28:22   part of the same you know like it that's [TS]

00:28:25   why there was a heartbroken and because [TS]

00:28:27   we had to wait i don't know how many [TS]

00:28:28   years it was but it was a long time was [TS]

00:28:30   longer than damage live it was a long [TS]

00:28:31   time we waited a long time so that was [TS]

00:28:33   that was the most crushing entertainment [TS]

00:28:35   blow of all of our lives and nothing can [TS]

00:28:37   compare to that so now now I'm all like [TS]

00:28:39   thumbs-up I hope you don't make stinker [TS]

00:28:41   but if you do I go oh yeah they screwed [TS]

00:28:43   up try again so I i want to start sir [TS]

00:28:45   track again as an example that I think [TS]

00:28:47   might be encouraging John which is so [TS]

00:28:50   they made the original Star Trek but the [TS]

00:28:51   motion picture and Gene Roddenberry was [TS]

00:28:53   heavily involved and it was a stinker [TS]

00:28:56   and the studio basically kicked him out [TS]

00:28:58   of all creative control over star trek [TS]

00:29:00   to and future movies there and they went [TS]

00:29:03   on a bit of a creative success at that [TS]

00:29:05   point Roddenberry was involved with Star [TS]

00:29:07   Trek The Next Generation at the [TS]

00:29:08   beginning and they basically kicked him [TS]

00:29:09   out of control [TS]

00:29:11   by the end of the second season which [TS]

00:29:12   was when that show became noticeably [TS]

00:29:15   better so I I think there's something to [TS]

00:29:18   be said that there's some precedent here [TS]

00:29:20   for having the Creator step back and [TS]

00:29:24   having you know any any any Enterprise [TS]

00:29:27   huh that that is creative and has [TS]

00:29:30   continuity like this after a while you [TS]

00:29:33   know it's the same people telling the [TS]

00:29:34   same stories and you need a break and [TS]

00:29:36   you need a new perspective and starting [TS]

00:29:39   to sell me on Gary Lucas yeah so start [TS]

00:29:41   with it needed to go so I I'm really [TS]

00:29:43   encouraged about that because star wars [TS]

00:29:45   now has an opportunity to have that [TS]

00:29:47   creative refresh and like you said there [TS]

00:29:49   are so many people who are not just not [TS]

00:29:53   just like 20 year olds but people from [TS]

00:29:56   20 to 50 who grew up loving Star Wars [TS]

00:30:00   who are incredibly talented writers i [TS]

00:30:03   mean i'll use doctor who is an example [TS]

00:30:05   to when they brought Doctor Who back it [TS]

00:30:06   was all the people who are professional [TS]

00:30:08   TV writers who loved it when they were [TS]

00:30:10   kids and we that the the movie industry [TS]

00:30:11   is full of people who love Star Wars so [TS]

00:30:14   you would think they have their choice [TS]

00:30:16   of incredible talent to rethink and move [TS]

00:30:20   forward with this franchise and you know [TS]

00:30:23   that's so exciting because i like you [TS]

00:30:24   John I thought that this was something [TS]

00:30:26   that you know when George Lucas died [TS]

00:30:28   somebody would say okay we can release [TS]

00:30:30   those original movies now [TS]

00:30:32   all because they were going to redo a [TS]

00:30:34   episodes 4 5 & 6 like that will still [TS]

00:30:36   happen eventually if we all live long [TS]

00:30:38   enough someone will do the reboot right [TS]

00:30:41   hope Empire and jedi-like and that when [TS]

00:30:43   they don't be sad and mobile now begun [TS]

00:30:45   in Chinese yeah probably will be ill [TS]

00:30:48   that's all gonna be a firefly crossover [TS]

00:30:50   you know all the cursing will be in [TS]

00:30:51   Chinese let's go well I mean if we can [TS]

00:30:54   extrapolate from this then we can [TS]

00:30:56   determine that Firefly will get remade [TS]

00:30:58   sometime in the next 20 to 30 years [TS]

00:31:00   writer but this was different i think is [TS]

00:31:04   that by doing this in trying to do [TS]

00:31:08   episode 7 8 9 they're actually trying to [TS]

00:31:11   lock in the original series because I [TS]

00:31:15   felt like if you go if you go long [TS]

00:31:17   enough because what they'll do is [TS]

00:31:18   they'll introduce new characters that [TS]

00:31:19   are young and exciting butter the [TS]

00:31:21   children and grandchildren and related [TS]

00:31:22   to the characters format instead instead [TS]

00:31:25   of well be the alternative is to just [TS]

00:31:27   remake them right i mean i-i think [TS]

00:31:28   that's a it's an interesting choice that [TS]

00:31:31   that and again to go to the star trek [TS]

00:31:33   path they do that for awhile and [TS]

00:31:35   everybody's too old and it's too tired [TS]

00:31:37   and then somebody comes in just as let's [TS]

00:31:39   just go back to the beginning and do it [TS]

00:31:40   again but i don't think they're I think [TS]

00:31:42   they want to extend this universe stupid [TS]

00:31:44   people who love the love the the [TS]

00:31:47   extended universe books and all that had [TS]

00:31:49   feel feel fear about this being kind of [TS]

00:31:53   crushing them out of existence [TS]

00:31:54   I don't know well I think there's a way [TS]

00:31:56   to balance it it just depends on how I [TS]

00:31:59   mean they mentioned in the conference [TS]

00:32:01   call that they got a pretty detailed [TS]

00:32:03   treatment of seven eight nine and [TS]

00:32:05   granted God knows how much of that [TS]

00:32:07   they'll actually use but the question is [TS]

00:32:09   how influence that is with the extended [TS]

00:32:11   universe and the extended universe has [TS]

00:32:14   always been kind of meta cannon anyway I [TS]

00:32:16   would love to see i would love out of my [TS]

00:32:20   mind to see Tim's and Thrawn Trilogy as [TS]

00:32:24   789 I think that would be amazing i [TS]

00:32:27   think it probably won't happen unless [TS]

00:32:28   they recast the actors but you know see [TS]

00:32:31   Mara Jade on still on screen would be [TS]

00:32:33   pretty awesome from a you know from a [TS]

00:32:36   lifelong fan perspective but I don't [TS]

00:32:39   know it's I don't think it will diminish [TS]

00:32:41   the extended universe i mean people [TS]

00:32:43   there are always I mean there are [TS]

00:32:45   there were diaries and extended books [TS]

00:32:47   written for the prequels so clearly [TS]

00:32:49   there's going to like that that universe [TS]

00:32:52   is still going to exist if I doubt 789 [TS]

00:32:54   will write it out of existence but let's [TS]

00:32:56   not let's not put the extended universe [TS]

00:32:57   up on a pedestal i mean they drove that [TS]

00:33:00   pretty hard into the ground to a certain [TS]

00:33:02   point so you know I think there's some [TS]

00:33:05   things that are good and extended [TS]

00:33:06   universe I i also like tim jones trilogy [TS]

00:33:08   the first one the rest of the stuff you [TS]

00:33:10   wrote was mediocre at best but that [TS]

00:33:13   doesn't mean I kind of like the original [TS]

00:33:14   dark Empire comic like there's some good [TS]

00:33:16   stuff in there it's just but it's mixed [TS]

00:33:17   in with law stuff that is not good at [TS]

00:33:20   this point i read it would be many many [TS]

00:33:21   years I read almost all fit at this [TS]

00:33:24   point all the time you know would be [TS]

00:33:25   over right at me because because of the [TS]

00:33:27   difference in time unless they recast [TS]

00:33:28   which I don't think they would do [TS]

00:33:29   they're gonna say like with the first [TS]

00:33:30   trilogy you know this this takes place [TS]

00:33:32   30 years 20 years probably it will take [TS]

00:33:36   place exactly as many years it's been [TS]

00:33:37   since when they saw the original trilogy [TS]

00:33:40   right yeah well in the notes on the on [TS]

00:33:42   the Star Wars site they say like others [TS]

00:33:44   about 20 years between trilogies which [TS]

00:33:46   you know unfortunately yeah the actors [TS]

00:33:49   have all aged out of that right because [TS]

00:33:51   as what i hear is gonna be 30 years [TS]

00:33:53   yeah and it's always more than that [TS]

00:33:55   because you know their supporters like [TS]

00:33:56   27 the first 10 i'm just thinking since [TS]

00:33:59   since a return of the jedi right right [TS]

00:34:02   yeah so like you know even if it was [TS]

00:34:04   ii-in his early thirties at this point [TS]

00:34:06   now it's more like 35 years later right [TS]

00:34:09   and so well that's a hard life being a [TS]

00:34:11   guy with a vest running around its tough [TS]

00:34:14   life in ages joy one of those things you [TS]

00:34:16   might see them in cameo roles but I [TS]

00:34:17   think these are the guys you're gonna [TS]

00:34:18   carry this picture more picture [TS]

00:34:20   absolutely not no i mean this is this is [TS]

00:34:22   going to be that thing where you see ya [TS]

00:34:24   you see Luke Skywalker maybe at you know [TS]

00:34:26   as an older gentleman and he's in a [TS]

00:34:28   couple of scenes and people like who and [TS]

00:34:30   then you never that they'll be like [TS]

00:34:31   Leonard Nimoy in the Star Trek exactly [TS]

00:34:34   so maybe less but maybe last year [TS]

00:34:37   yeah hopefully they won't give him a [TS]

00:34:38   long confusing camels at 80hz no no [TS]

00:34:41   always in his sixties Carrie Fisher is [TS]

00:34:45   56 i believe and Harrison Ford turn 70 [TS]

00:34:48   this year i looked it up earlier two [TS]

00:34:50   parts of camel or younger younger than [TS]

00:34:52   60 however [TS]

00:34:53   unfortunately Nelson at a terribly well [TS]

00:34:57   thanks to reconstructive surgery at that [TS]

00:34:59   point yeah but I mean let's be honest we [TS]

00:35:01   don't go down the horrible path which is [TS]

00:35:04   they recreate them all as young [TS]

00:35:05   Holograms yes cgi version so i know i [TS]

00:35:10   don't think i don't let it get a good [TS]

00:35:13   that mean [TS]

00:35:14   well the bigger question is how do we [TS]

00:35:17   incorporate the star wars universe into [TS]

00:35:20   the Disney Princesses there there are [TS]

00:35:25   pretty common yeah and I later on we got [TS]

00:35:27   one yes we have that we're going to fill [TS]

00:35:30   that out a little bit we'll have a [TS]

00:35:31   little section for the in tomorrowland [TS]

00:35:33   it's gonna be a beautiful thing I there [TS]

00:35:35   already i need to our lair are you mean [TS]

00:35:38   Star Wars where yeah it's not it's not [TS]

00:35:42   out of the realm of possibility there's [TS]

00:35:44   definitely a zillion little minnie mouse [TS]

00:35:48   as Princess Leia toys already existing [TS]

00:35:51   my daughter's got princess layout toys [TS]

00:35:53   that are made by the same like this [TS]

00:35:55   company that makes the dolls with a [TS]

00:35:56   little rubber close if you seen these [TS]

00:35:57   random you're the only person might have [TS]

00:35:59   seen these they have little stretchy [TS]

00:36:00   plastic rubber close all the disney [TS]

00:36:02   characters milan and stuff like that and [TS]

00:36:04   they also make an entire Princess Leia [TS]

00:36:06   said I don't know if these are all [TS]

00:36:07   illegal or whatever but they're all like [TS]

00:36:09   the same type of toys already my [TS]

00:36:10   daughter has in her princess has been [TS]

00:36:12   all the disney princesses and Princess [TS]

00:36:15   Leia and Queen Amidala all thrown in the [TS]

00:36:17   sea [TS]

00:36:17   no this is something that made me laugh [TS]

00:36:19   today is that is that in other [TS]

00:36:20   circumstances a deal like this would [TS]

00:36:22   make people aghast because Disney who [TS]

00:36:25   would there there you know them the [TS]

00:36:27   merchandising and licensing and [TS]

00:36:28   everything they do and they bought this [TS]

00:36:31   this independent company and they're [TS]

00:36:33   gonna ruin it it's like well no it's [TS]

00:36:35   it's Star Wars it's not there's not [TS]

00:36:37   going to be with your licensing if there [TS]

00:36:39   were ever a more perfect place for star [TS]

00:36:41   wars the king of merchandising to [TS]

00:36:44   commercialize Star Wars uh [TS]

00:36:46   it's tearin shit figures of everything [TS]

00:36:49   02 tuyos will become 3 toyota's yeah i [TS]

00:36:54   gotta say on a tangential note when I [TS]

00:36:56   was listening to the call today they [TS]

00:36:57   talked a little bit about video games [TS]

00:37:00   too because among other things a part [TS]

00:37:01   LucasArts right now and they're like I [TS]

00:37:03   heard them say we're going to focus more [TS]

00:37:04   on like social and casual games and I [TS]

00:37:06   was kind of ready to swear at them for [TS]

00:37:08   that because there are so many like but [TS]

00:37:10   they said videogame property's been [TS]

00:37:11   totally botched over the last 10 years [TS]

00:37:13   what they said they were going to they [TS]

00:37:14   were probably gonna license out the [TS]

00:37:16   console games and not because Lucas are [TS]

00:37:18   they have a strength and building [TS]

00:37:19   console games i think that's what they [TS]

00:37:20   said you know how let's get them [TS]

00:37:23   probably yeah right [TS]

00:37:25   why I'm just hoping I think just in [TS]

00:37:27   general as John was saying earlier i [TS]

00:37:29   think the the net positive of this is [TS]

00:37:30   just that you know to a certain extent [TS]

00:37:33   Lucas was just keeping everything locked [TS]

00:37:36   down in certain ways right and now [TS]

00:37:37   there's a lot more freedom all the [TS]

00:37:39   sudden and that freedom might be a bad [TS]

00:37:40   thing right here is bad things can be [TS]

00:37:42   done with it but it also has the chance [TS]

00:37:44   to be something positive and we've seen [TS]

00:37:46   what you know what the alternatives [TS]

00:37:47   which is either yet nothing or we get [TS]

00:37:49   you know gigantic pieces of crap so I'm [TS]

00:37:52   certainly willing to see what Disney can [TS]

00:37:54   do with what i want things for one [TS]

00:37:58   thing's for certain you're going to you [TS]

00:38:00   know pay a lot of money [TS]

00:38:02   what you gonna do that anyway you're [TS]

00:38:04   ready for you know it yet ready to buy [TS]

00:38:06   your star wars movies again guys [TS]

00:38:08   oh yeah yeah but again yes I don't see [TS]

00:38:11   another movie at midnight star wars fans [TS]

00:38:12   are happy to I mean happy to do that I [TS]

00:38:14   think especially I i do think it's true [TS]

00:38:16   that if they if they did the super [TS]

00:38:18   restored original classics it [TS]

00:38:21   ultra-expensive that trilogy blu-ray [TS]

00:38:24   thing they would sell a billion of Meyer [TS]

00:38:26   you know it's all those four five [TS]

00:38:28   hundred dollars and they'd still making [TS]

00:38:30   really yeah yeah and I wouldn't surprise [TS]

00:38:33   me if they if they did that that but [TS]

00:38:36   yeah there'll be more movies and people [TS]

00:38:38   go see him and I'll I'm with John I feel [TS]

00:38:41   like the bloom you know the bloom is off [TS]

00:38:42   the rose we lost our innocence with star [TS]

00:38:44   wars with the prequel so now it's like [TS]

00:38:46   all right you know more [TS]

00:38:48   sure that's more tries I'm optimistic [TS]

00:38:50   because that we've hit rock bottom I [TS]

00:38:52   think that's probably true and open [TS]

00:38:55   worst movies there will be worse but [TS]

00:38:56   eventually eventually but in in this [TS]

00:38:58   first in this first set I think [TS]

00:39:00   yeah i think there's a chance he hiding [TS]

00:39:02   too sensitive better right to ya like [TS]

00:39:04   they gotta know everyone knows right [TS]

00:39:06   like everybody it's almost universal [TS]

00:39:09   that that that people did not like these [TS]

00:39:11   woods above a certain age sure you know [TS]

00:39:13   and I I think you've got to be sensitive [TS]

00:39:15   to that effect and you know as a as what [TS]

00:39:16   was the guy who said on the financial [TS]

00:39:18   call today something about like you're [TS]

00:39:20   you know you're going to anger the [TS]

00:39:21   entire internet typically have been [TS]

00:39:24   there mistreating it we angry know where [TS]

00:39:27   joyful jubilant it's like Scott Forstall [TS]

00:39:29   using sorry that that's just another [TS]

00:39:31   podcast look but my point being you know [TS]

00:39:34   I think they know that there's [TS]

00:39:35   incredible last sensitivity and I think [TS]

00:39:37   enough fun has been made those are you [TS]

00:39:39   know of one two and three that they know [TS]

00:39:42   they don't want to go down that road so [TS]

00:39:44   I think you know if they're smart and I [TS]

00:39:47   think they whatever else you might say [TS]

00:39:48   about them they're they're clearly savvy [TS]

00:39:50   business people [TS]

00:39:51   yeah I think they're gonna think about [TS]

00:39:53   that you know when they're when they're [TS]

00:39:54   looking at how to put this yet this is a [TS]

00:39:56   four billion dollar investment for [TS]

00:39:58   disney I think they're really [TS]

00:39:59   financially motivated to make their [TS]

00:40:02   money back and they know that making a [TS]

00:40:05   good product is what's going to do it [TS]

00:40:07   and and you know I'm encouraged by the [TS]

00:40:09   fact that you know Disney buying marvel [TS]

00:40:11   we can argue about the quality of [TS]

00:40:13   specific Marvel movies but that they [TS]

00:40:15   seem to have had some success and some [TS]

00:40:17   creative success and we can argue about [TS]

00:40:19   the scope and then Disney buying Pixar [TS]

00:40:21   is another interesting example they [TS]

00:40:22   brought them both up in the call today [TS]

00:40:24   that where Disney is making these kind [TS]

00:40:26   of strategic investments in in companies [TS]

00:40:29   that have skills or intellectual [TS]

00:40:30   property that it's fascinating to see [TS]

00:40:32   that and and you know that you don't buy [TS]

00:40:35   star wars for four billion dollars and [TS]

00:40:37   you know Fox has the distribution rights [TS]

00:40:39   for the old movies this is really about [TS]

00:40:40   the future this is about disney saying [TS]

00:40:42   that star wars is a you know has a [TS]

00:40:45   future and it's worth four billion [TS]

00:40:47   dollars so oh by the way the muppets [TS]

00:40:49   also are owned by disney now so finally [TS]

00:40:52   all Muppets and other month like puppets [TS]

00:40:54   are under one roof [TS]

00:40:56   Yoda and Grover can now appear together [TS]

00:40:59   now I'd like that wouldn't happen so no [TS]

00:41:05   i didn't i put a link in the skype chat [TS]

00:41:07   room and the and the IRC chatroom it's a [TS]

00:41:09   link to the one of the old trailers and [TS]

00:41:11   from 2010 for the old republic [TS]

00:41:13   look yeah unfortunately that game turned [TS]

00:41:15   out great [TS]

00:41:16   right so this i'm ignoring the games [TS]

00:41:19   entirely and just saying the people who [TS]

00:41:22   put together the cutscenes to t is the [TS]

00:41:25   old republic but those guys make a movie [TS]

00:41:27   because they they have the you know it [TS]

00:41:30   is a runny nose like it was making game [TS]

00:41:32   I'm just saying let's meet the cutscenes [TS]

00:41:34   these kind of things [TS]

00:41:36   hint hint at a like you're like I'd like [TS]

00:41:38   to see the movie that this cutscene is [TS]

00:41:40   full from maybe you would like to play [TS]

00:41:41   the game the cutscene is pulled from but [TS]

00:41:43   they have the look the feel of a non [TS]

00:41:46   George Lucas Star Wars that i would be [TS]

00:41:47   interested in watching it's kind of like [TS]

00:41:49   the battlestar galactica reboot where [TS]

00:41:50   it's like a little bit grittier more [TS]

00:41:52   interesting and you know not too not too [TS]

00:41:56   obsessed with the fetishizing the things [TS]

00:42:00   that were good about the 70 series or [TS]

00:42:02   whatever like that when i think of a [TS]

00:42:04   good future of Star Wars I think of [TS]

00:42:06   these videogame trailers but and and I'm [TS]

00:42:09   worried a little bit about so the point [TS]

00:42:11   at which i gave up reading most of the [TS]

00:42:12   extended universe stuff was they started [TS]

00:42:15   this huge sort of push to do this was a [TS]

00:42:17   call like the New Jedi Order which is [TS]

00:42:19   this huge sort of overarching story line [TS]

00:42:22   that they did in the books for a while [TS]

00:42:23   and lets the it was already out of [TS]

00:42:27   terrible story line because it basically [TS]

00:42:29   turns Star Wars into Star Trek like [TS]

00:42:32   there are these aliens invading from [TS]

00:42:33   another universe and they were coming to [TS]

00:42:35   fight the Jedi and I you know I was [TS]

00:42:38   sitting there going this is this is not [TS]

00:42:40   this is not what's interesting about [TS]

00:42:41   Star Wars you know and also they killed [TS]

00:42:44   off a fairly major character in the [TS]

00:42:46   first book of that series at which point [TS]

00:42:48   I literally stopped reading about 20 [TS]

00:42:49   pages from the end after they killed a [TS]

00:42:51   character put it down and then did not [TS]

00:42:52   touch a star wars book for many many [TS]

00:42:53   years I was that angry [TS]

00:42:55   well but and so I mean to the point of [TS]

00:42:59   that somebody made the chat room and I [TS]

00:43:01   think George Lucas made on on in the [TS]

00:43:03   little video they released on on [TS]

00:43:04   starwars.com it's a big universe right i [TS]

00:43:07   mean the absolute 789 maybe the [TS]

00:43:09   continuation of the classic trilogy but [TS]

00:43:11   you know it is that the original stories [TS]

00:43:15   in The Naked City yes exactly elsewhere [TS]

00:43:17   right [TS]

00:43:17   elsewhere and elsewhere in that time [TS]

00:43:19   period and tell other interesting [TS]

00:43:21   stories using that universe right [TS]

00:43:23   oh absolutely i mean i think that was [TS]

00:43:25   would always intrigued me about the [TS]

00:43:26   possible [TS]

00:43:26   be the star wars TV show that took place [TS]

00:43:28   sort of you know more in the seedy [TS]

00:43:30   underbelly of Star Wars like that man [TS]

00:43:33   that sounds cool already bad bounty [TS]

00:43:34   hunter land is a bright center of the [TS]

00:43:36   universe is TV series is farthest from [TS]

00:43:38   think that mangoes that one but you know [TS]

00:43:41   what i mean yeah i know i got you mami [TS]

00:43:44   I'm not having that also one of the [TS]

00:43:45   captains Justin Rogue Squadron movies i [TS]

00:43:47   would watch that would be awesome [TS]

00:43:48   alright man yeah I want sucker for [TS]

00:43:50   anything without with back swings on [TS]

00:43:51   Tashi station that's what I want like [TS]

00:43:54   this year now laughing and panting like [TS]

00:43:57   cheers yeah except there's people there [TS]

00:43:59   and they're carrying power converters [TS]

00:44:01   around like man you can't get any better [TS]

00:44:02   places for power converters in taji [TS]

00:44:04   station [TS]

00:44:05   ya see what I want I want I want a [TS]

00:44:08   romance i want it called hold me like [TS]

00:44:11   you did on Naboo and I want it and I [TS]

00:44:15   want it yesterday [TS]

00:44:16   no oh first scene in episode 7 the [TS]

00:44:22   prequels for a dream and even wakes up [TS]

00:44:24   in bed sweating terrible terrible dream [TS]

00:44:26   wait so you're the beginning of seven is [TS]

00:44:29   the end of new heart [TS]

00:44:30   yes that was thinking something else or [TS]

00:44:32   maybe it's like autistic kid George [TS]

00:44:33   Lucas is looking into a snow globe [TS]

00:44:35   example actually planted that was in a [TS]

00:44:38   snow globe the first thing is the glowy [TS]

00:44:40   ghost of Yoda who hasn't aged because [TS]

00:44:42   he's a puppet speaking to a young Jedi [TS]

00:44:46   children around a campfire and says and [TS]

00:44:51   and that story which I've just told you [TS]

00:44:53   which is roughly the length of three [TS]

00:44:55   movies true is not and then we go [TS]

00:44:58   through what a relief i thought that was [TS]

00:45:00   really bad and then they begin the movie [TS]

00:45:01   begins the fanfare that won't be the [TS]

00:45:04   father's favorite American yeah that's [TS]

00:45:05   right yo begins with us seek yeah yeah [TS]

00:45:08   true is not and then they don't play the [TS]

00:45:11   full 20 Century Fox fanfare because all [TS]

00:45:13   feature meters will be distributed wha [TS]

00:45:16   I just need to know when you wish upon a [TS]

00:45:18   star instead I got someone happy like [TS]

00:45:20   you about the music when you wish upon [TS]

00:45:22   ever when you wish upon a star wars Stan [TS]

00:45:24   said you really liked dr. John Williams [TS]

00:45:30   did when you wish upon a star [TS]

00:45:32   you did it in Close Encounters so there [TS]

00:45:35   you go just probably it will just reuse [TS]

00:45:38   will just use old William scores will [TS]

00:45:40   great i just bought indiana jones two [TS]

00:45:44   but they've got a multi film deal with [TS]

00:45:47   paramount for those so it's unclear what [TS]

00:45:50   that means to say really bothered for [TS]

00:45:52   Star Wars that's what Tiger said today [TS]

00:45:54   was we really like this instance [TS]

00:45:55   not-not-not Howard the daughters no [TS]

00:45:57   Valerie ppl not willow not dark crystal [TS]

00:46:00   about me all those movies will get me at [TS]

00:46:04   some point you gotta you gotta know [TS]

00:46:06   right like the bottom p you know they're [TS]

00:46:09   gonna use it at some point because ways [TS]

00:46:11   to do it i like many years it'll be a [TS]

00:46:14   long time before they reboot like you [TS]

00:46:15   know India just powered the doc howards [TS]

00:46:18   i will take I will take that horrible [TS]

00:46:21   Howard oddly ruined that was really like [TS]

00:46:23   the end of my innocence [TS]

00:46:25   Howard the Duck once you've spoken about [TS]

00:46:28   Leah Thompson's career on this period [TS]

00:46:30   podcast but i have yeah that film really [TS]

00:46:33   kind of kind of twisted me that was a [TS]

00:46:35   Marvel property to so now Howard adducts [TS]

00:46:37   film and comic book properties are back [TS]

00:46:39   under one synergy Jason late energy hall [TS]

00:46:43   at long last you know that could be the [TS]

00:46:45   real story here [TS]

00:46:46   however the introductory reunification [TS]

00:46:49   theory [TS]

00:46:50   yeah that could be it could be a dark [TS]

00:46:52   gritty Howard the Duck it's coming [TS]

00:46:54   marvel's house that Howard the Duck [TS]

00:46:56   appearing in in Marvel's uh-uh next [TS]

00:47:01   movie with what's the one with Rocket [TS]

00:47:03   Raccoon it'll be it'll be your Guardians [TS]

00:47:05   already how the galaxy it will be rocket [TS]

00:47:06   raccoon and howard the duck yeah why not [TS]

00:47:08   why not [TS]

00:47:10   I'm with you wow so what have we learned [TS]

00:47:15   a thing we just calculated wildly the [TS]

00:47:20   latter and the numbers were storage [TS]

00:47:21   Lucas even uncertainty yet well know [TS]

00:47:24   that so that's exactly right that that [TS]

00:47:26   even the great mystery of the future and [TS]

00:47:28   what's going to happen with Star Wars [TS]

00:47:29   it's still one of those moments of kind [TS]

00:47:32   of giddiness of maybe something good [TS]

00:47:34   will happen to star wars because I think [TS]

00:47:36   there's a general feeling that it has [TS]

00:47:38   been a dark time for the Empire totally [TS]

00:47:42   yeah yeah well yeah well yeah I open [TS]

00:47:48   yeah [TS]

00:47:49   2015 highlight my great regret is that [TS]

00:47:53   they couldn't have handled Lucas his [TS]

00:47:56   four billion in Ocean City New Jersey [TS]

00:48:00   yesterday haha is that too soon maybe [TS]

00:48:05   that may be wrong but I more than talent [TS]

00:48:08   of a battleship [TS]

00:48:10   yeah something yeah i'm just i was [TS]

00:48:14   imagining a scene like you know from [TS]

00:48:17   Goodfellas where where Jimmy Conway is [TS]

00:48:20   telling Karen to go into the two into [TS]

00:48:22   the warehouse to get the mink coats just [TS]

00:48:24   go back get all the sugar you always [TS]

00:48:26   just go down there that's your money is [TS]

00:48:28   going down there just cook just go down [TS]

00:48:30   there it's okay just go ahead [TS]

00:48:32   see I thought you were going with the [TS]

00:48:32   other one which is they ushered George [TS]

00:48:34   Lucas into the room there's a picture of [TS]

00:48:35   him signing with broad biker signing the [TS]

00:48:38   signing the papers and I come on in here [TS]

00:48:39   to sign the papers and goes oh no oh no [TS]

00:48:42   now that I think he deserves props for [TS]

00:48:45   giving it up before he dies i read [TS]

00:48:47   sitting on it for not for not like [TS]

00:48:49   saying i've got to hold onto this thing [TS]

00:48:50   cuz that's been his big thing that's [TS]

00:48:52   just stupid stupid lesson from the Rio [TS]

00:48:54   don't hold onto the nice guys but he's [TS]

00:48:57   taken isn't letting a disney's putting [TS]

00:48:59   George Lucas back in the vault [TS]

00:49:00   I think I think Kathleen Kennedy or [TS]

00:49:02   whoever else is sort of like in control [TS]

00:49:04   and she was made the Chairman because he [TS]

00:49:05   wanted to retire or co-chair of [TS]

00:49:08   LucasArts or Lucasfilm i think i think [TS]

00:49:11   somebody and maybe it was her said [TS]

00:49:13   George this is this disfranchise is huge [TS]

00:49:17   and maybe was Bob Iger I don't know this [TS]

00:49:19   franchise is huge [TS]

00:49:20   it has it has a life in the future and [TS]

00:49:23   you need to either decide to be part of [TS]

00:49:25   it or you need to just let it go and and [TS]

00:49:28   somebody kind of talk which I never [TS]

00:49:29   thought would happen somebody talked [TS]

00:49:31   sense into george lucas and said let [TS]

00:49:33   this go get your honor easy good to go [TS]

00:49:36   son [TS]

00:49:37   no you know what I think I think Lucas [TS]

00:49:41   had this in the works for a couple years [TS]

00:49:43   i I really don't think he was one like I [TS]

00:49:46   think he he just got to a point where he [TS]

00:49:49   was tired and didn't want to deal with [TS]

00:49:52   the fan hatred and didn't want to deal [TS]

00:49:54   with the weight of having to you know [TS]

00:49:57   produce and deal with Star Wars anymore [TS]

00:49:59   yeah okay but to his credit he didn't [TS]

00:50:01   sit on it right he said I'm going to [TS]

00:50:03   let this go and and and let somebody [TS]

00:50:05   else do it and let this thing live on [TS]

00:50:07   beyond me when he could have been kind [TS]

00:50:09   of mind early and said no no if I don't [TS]

00:50:11   do it nobody does it and George but can [TS]

00:50:14   we do to get you to walk out of here [TS]

00:50:15   today with four billion dollars in your [TS]

00:50:17   pocket for Instagram and we should say [TS]

00:50:22   that Kathleen Kennedy has a very [TS]

00:50:24   impressive resume behind her [TS]

00:50:27   you know we're talking about the woman [TS]

00:50:28   who executive-produced Raiders and ET in [TS]

00:50:31   Jurassic Park [TS]

00:50:32   I mean she'sshe's a frank Marshall's [TS]

00:50:35   wife i believe and she co-founded Amblin [TS]

00:50:38   yeah so I mean sheet she has some [TS]

00:50:40   credentials and Lucasfilm is not being [TS]

00:50:42   left in the hands of ? yeah yeah [TS]

00:50:47   again like John said that hardens me [TS]

00:50:51   that and the fact that they again as you [TS]

00:50:53   said you can [TS]

00:50:54   many of the Marvel movies were not good [TS]

00:50:56   but they sure put a ton of money into [TS]

00:50:58   those movies you cannot say that is the [TS]

00:51:00   cheap out and didn't you know didn't [TS]

00:51:03   have the courage of their convictions [TS]

00:51:04   they just put a ton of money into all [TS]

00:51:06   those movies you know the vengers alone [TS]

00:51:09   was like a hundred and fifty million [TS]

00:51:11   like and they made their money back [TS]

00:51:13   the middle and the end with my client is [TS]

00:51:15   gonna take it back after like you know [TS]

00:51:16   all the other ones but event y'know like [TS]

00:51:18   they did I think I i think every single [TS]

00:51:21   one of those movies was within 48 hours [TS]

00:51:23   back oh yes [TS]

00:51:24   yeah I think so no you know I did they [TS]

00:51:26   did you do not suppose yeah yeah [TS]

00:51:29   whatever they don't make back on the box [TS]

00:51:31   office receipts they will make in [TS]

00:51:33   licensing and then manufacturing well I [TS]

00:51:36   mean that's part of the problem [TS]

00:51:37   part of the reason for having these [TS]

00:51:38   properties yeah yeah the successfully [TS]

00:51:42   Avengers also then has this back this [TS]

00:51:45   backward glow on the other movies [TS]

00:51:48   because then people like the Avengers [TS]

00:51:50   and everybody wants to go see all the [TS]

00:51:51   other movies and suddenly instead of [TS]

00:51:52   having a movie that successful you've [TS]

00:51:55   got like a 25 movie box set that is [TS]

00:51:58   everybody needs to watch before they [TS]

00:52:00   watch it and I honestly my kids and I [TS]

00:52:03   watched all those movies because I knew [TS]

00:52:04   they'd you know I side seen the Avengers [TS]

00:52:07   in the seat theater and i want to show [TS]

00:52:08   to them and we went back I mean it works [TS]

00:52:10   it's actually kind of its brilliant so [TS]

00:52:12   you know Disney is going to do that [TS]

00:52:14   they're gonna put [TS]

00:52:15   they're gonna they're gonna take care of [TS]

00:52:16   the franchise because they spent four [TS]

00:52:18   billion on it and they wanted to do well [TS]

00:52:20   which is just going to sit through the [TS]

00:52:21   bad movies first but the Avengers want [TS]

00:52:23   first but 200 million dollars a good [TS]

00:52:25   right hand don't just don't throw well i [TS]

00:52:28   think by saying is explicitly than its [TS]

00:52:30   episode 7 that's what they're saying is [TS]

00:52:32   there they're not they're not gonna do [TS]

00:52:33   like a half-hearted like well we're [TS]

00:52:35   gonna do the boba fett movie now maybe [TS]

00:52:38   we'll extend their like no episode 7 it [TS]

00:52:41   comes after Return of the Jedi we're [TS]

00:52:42   doing a new trilogy and it starts in [TS]

00:52:44   that's kind of bold I mean they're not [TS]

00:52:46   they're not halfway doing it that that's [TS]

00:52:48   kind of amazing Mets that was really the [TS]

00:52:50   one thing that blew me away about today [TS]

00:52:52   is that is that their internet i had a [TS]

00:52:54   soft pedaling it right [TS]

00:52:56   yeah it's like boom new trilogy every [TS]

00:52:58   couple of years start in 2015 [TS]

00:53:00   wow wow see if they can hit those dates [TS]

00:53:03   of course [TS]

00:53:04   oh yeah well it's they got some time [TS]

00:53:06   they probably built in some wiggle room [TS]

00:53:08   there but yeah they got it they got to [TS]

00:53:10   get actors a director a script like just [TS]

00:53:13   I'd ever as far as we know they don't [TS]

00:53:15   have any of those things that he seems [TS]

00:53:16   like they would have announced they had [TS]

00:53:17   I mean they haven't had any of engines [TS]

00:53:20   together in an area screen in the garage [TS]

00:53:23   ok I mean they've heard handle it no [TS]

00:53:25   names from Hoboken there's they get this [TS]

00:53:28   done and they'll get this time in 3-4 [TS]

00:53:31   and it's gonna be tricky part of all [TS]

00:53:33   Marvel Entertainment has I mean what [TS]

00:53:35   they've done with the Marvel movies in [TS]

00:53:37   the past what five or six years they put [TS]

00:53:39   those out on an aggressive year and a [TS]

00:53:41   half two years schedule and not all of [TS]

00:53:43   them have been fantastic but clearly [TS]

00:53:45   disney can you know rifle up who they [TS]

00:53:49   need they've already got the script I [TS]

00:53:51   mailed it in this afternoon right hand [TS]

00:53:53   everyone start writing your spec scripts [TS]

00:53:55   and what color with it comes to haven't [TS]

00:53:57   had one in the drawer for 20 years what [TS]

00:53:59   color was the gray on and off it it'll [TS]

00:54:02   it'll be integrated stuff it'll be [TS]

00:54:04   beautiful and it will be spontaneous [TS]

00:54:07   it's gonna be great it's gonna be a [TS]

00:54:08   can't wait for it is how's that [TS]

00:54:11   yeah it's just you know and then you [TS]

00:54:13   know that they'll do principal [TS]

00:54:15   photography and about a week and a half [TS]

00:54:16   and then i'll spend three years on [TS]

00:54:19   special effects and it'll come out it's [TS]

00:54:22   gonna be wonderful and it was going to [TS]

00:54:24   give it to the old republic trailer [TS]

00:54:25   cutscene people all CJ you don't need to [TS]

00:54:29   there's you just need a script and a [TS]

00:54:30   little but exactly dressed for robert [TS]

00:54:32   zemeckis rated voices by the way yeah [TS]

00:54:34   robert zemeckis will do it and everybody [TS]

00:54:36   will have those creepy deadeyes flowery [TS]

00:54:39   dress [TS]

00:54:40   yeah it's not gonna happen [TS]

00:54:44   I want to think about a doubt this is [TS]

00:54:46   silly and we should just dunk it budgets [TS]

00:54:48   for talking about the the idea that now [TS]

00:54:50   the disney has bought them that opens [TS]

00:54:53   the door for our star wars to touch in [TS]

00:54:55   anyway with pics are I mean Marvel [TS]

00:55:01   doesn't touch protects our that's the [TS]

00:55:02   counterexample I another thing I thing I [TS]

00:55:05   see is I see less of it being used like [TS]

00:55:08   a picture is going to make a Star Wars [TS]

00:55:09   movie but i would be amused to see [TS]

00:55:11   something like a toy story short that [TS]

00:55:13   had Star Wars toys in it or something [TS]

00:55:15   like that I could see that you know [TS]

00:55:17   something like they just did this [TS]

00:55:18   direction help them right where they [TS]

00:55:20   have all the video game characters and [TS]

00:55:22   actually got a list video kicker well [TS]

00:55:24   now they own the Star Wars character so [TS]

00:55:25   now it's a lot easier to do things [TS]

00:55:27   girlfriends but pixar wants its own IP [TS]

00:55:29   and I mean do you don't see Captain [TS]

00:55:31   America new Pixar movie like they have [TS]

00:55:33   been crying but I don't think they I [TS]

00:55:35   don't think I'll do want early but i [TS]

00:55:37   think i think it would be it would be [TS]

00:55:38   cool if they did i'm gonna be surprised [TS]

00:55:41   to see Disney Animation do some sort of [TS]

00:55:44   shorts maybe an animated series but [TS]

00:55:48   probably not flexible but isn't I mean [TS]

00:55:50   who's doing who's producing the clone [TS]

00:55:52   war stuff right [TS]

00:55:53   who is that that's W be active so it's [TS]

00:55:56   an outside soon will that what will [TS]

00:55:58   happen is that that stuff's gonna get [TS]

00:55:59   brought inside and maybe that maybe [TS]

00:56:01   maybe the star wars animated stuff goes [TS]

00:56:03   to wall you know walt disney animation [TS]

00:56:04   but in that they said it was there they [TS]

00:56:07   talked about the disney XD network that [TS]

00:56:09   they're showing Ron animated series on [TS]

00:56:10   they mentioned that being a one possible [TS]

00:56:12   outlet so yeah so cartoon network may [TS]

00:56:14   lose all of this eventually because [TS]

00:56:15   they're good because of the corporate [TS]

00:56:16   synergy right but but that'll be [TS]

00:56:18   interesting because you know even if [TS]

00:56:19   that's not pics are making a Star Wars [TS]

00:56:21   movie if it's john lasseter and kind of [TS]

00:56:24   the pixar method being turned on to star [TS]

00:56:27   wars animated properties that could be [TS]

00:56:29   interesting it would be yeah it would be [TS]

00:56:31   really funny if pixar were to do [TS]

00:56:34   something like that but it doesn't seem [TS]

00:56:35   like that makes any sense at all so [TS]

00:56:38   right there they're gonna build their [TS]

00:56:40   own things [TS]

00:56:41   yeah i don't i don't see any any [TS]

00:56:43   touching there at all except for [TS]

00:56:45   attention maybe may be short but it like [TS]

00:56:47   I would be more more likely i think you [TS]

00:56:49   just like argues head in the background [TS]

00:56:50   of toy story for whatever right [TS]

00:56:53   sure why not right next to spider-man [TS]

00:56:57   and although once again getting back to [TS]

00:57:00   the video game trail like who stare dad [TS]

00:57:01   always wanted pixar to do something [TS]

00:57:04   outside their comfort zone a radar for [TS]

00:57:08   realistically animated star wars [TS]

00:57:10   universe story i'm just saying well you [TS]

00:57:13   might die if that happens you might just [TS]

00:57:15   pick my just mean pass out you might [TS]

00:57:17   just have a stroke in the theater I [TS]

00:57:18   United 200 million dollars radar picks [TS]

00:57:21   are Star Wars photorealistic people can [TS]

00:57:23   you imagine that happening i can imagine [TS]

00:57:25   that up [TS]

00:57:26   oh yeah i can imagine you imagining that [TS]

00:57:29   happen yeah i like to do what has there [TS]

00:57:34   ever been a radar animated movie sounds [TS]

00:57:36   like Fritz the Cat heavy metal [TS]

00:57:39   not only is it first it's like this just [TS]

00:57:43   got a little radar [TS]

00:57:44   no I don't think so that was the [TS]

00:57:48   animatrix that wasn't released as a no [TS]

00:57:50   it's a short thing but that would have [TS]

00:57:51   been rated R if it was actually I'd into [TS]

00:57:53   a full-length movie I don't like really [TS]

00:57:55   horrible final fantasy movie was really [TS]

00:57:57   bad [TS]

00:57:58   I was not rated r is really terrible it [TS]

00:58:00   was really terrible it was so any other [TS]

00:58:05   any other comments before we go about [TS]

00:58:07   this motivation making your sellers but [TS]

00:58:09   wait i don't know i still don't believe [TS]

00:58:10   it it's not true i still think I'm [TS]

00:58:12   getting myself it's not really what I'm [TS]

00:58:14   gonna wake up tomorrow I'll be a joke [TS]

00:58:16   episode 7 is not a I saw it on business [TS]

00:58:19   once i saw in business wire like a [TS]

00:58:20   business wire probably didn't get punked [TS]

00:58:23   but yeah and then i went to the Walt [TS]

00:58:25   Disney site and they said we'll have our [TS]

00:58:27   teleconference about by lucas from what [TS]

00:58:30   oh it's crazy once i tweeted Jason it's [TS]

00:58:33   true if you're just been falling more [TS]

00:58:35   closely twitter stream you would have [TS]

00:58:36   known [TS]

00:58:37   Oh tonight and I want to know but I ever [TS]

00:58:39   tweet that if it wasn't true I i would [TS]

00:58:41   triple John I only John i only listen to [TS]

00:58:43   your barber uh John John i think i think [TS]

00:58:47   i saw it before you tweeted about it and [TS]

00:58:49   that the the tweet there was the first [TS]

00:58:51   there was the tweet which was what [TS]

00:58:53   disney but Luke [TS]

00:58:54   film and then there was a tweet from [TS]

00:58:56   Reuters I think that was episode 7 2015 [TS]

00:58:59   everything we want no this is it wasn't [TS]

00:59:03   a real retweet it was it was a [TS]

00:59:04   non-native retweeted my stream from [TS]

00:59:06   somebody and I thought well that's [TS]

00:59:07   that's complete fakery and then I went [TS]

00:59:10   and found the press release and it says [TS]

00:59:11   it in there and that ok [TS]

00:59:12   this site may be a fake site let's find [TS]

00:59:14   a real site that has this press release [TS]

00:59:16   business wire has a journalism right [TS]

00:59:19   there [TS]

00:59:19   oh my god that was iight local source I [TS]

00:59:21   brought all my skepticism to bear and [TS]

00:59:24   this is it turned out is if it's a prank [TS]

00:59:28   now bog Bob Iger and George Lucas are in [TS]

00:59:30   all that's all I'm saying been a weird [TS]

00:59:33   week guys can L very summer yet 2015 is [TS]

00:59:40   pretty far off though I mean they're [TS]

00:59:41   gonna have hoverboards by that point [TS]

00:59:42   totally sure yeah a better flying cars [TS]

00:59:45   to you know talk to my daughter my [TS]

00:59:47   daughter with me well my daughter will [TS]

00:59:49   be seven years old and 2015 i think it [TS]

00:59:51   might be okay to expose her to episode [TS]

00:59:55   seven huh [TS]

00:59:56   but we'll see my daughter and I'm 14 [TS]

00:59:56   but we'll see my daughter and I'm 14 [TS]

01:00:00   and you're gonna have to you have to vet [TS]

01:00:01   it we're all gonna have to get it [TS]

01:00:04   yeah if it's pg-13 she'll be like [TS]

01:00:06   whatever I'm 14 [TS]

01:00:08   oh yeah I and what's the i'm waiting for [TS]

01:00:11   the Impala incompetent broadcast on Star [TS]

01:00:13   Wars Episode 7 with CQC and I'd sit [TS]

01:00:16   around for two hours ago [TS]

01:00:17   yeah well nobody that will be episode [TS]

01:00:21   423 so state and some yeah i'll be doing [TS]

01:00:27   alright well we are our minds are still [TS]

01:00:30   blown we are still reeling more star [TS]

01:00:33   wars coming we'll see who we could I [TS]

01:00:37   don't want to say kid and get any worse [TS]

01:00:39   because then somebody will play that [TS]

01:00:40   back to me and 2015 be haha it did get [TS]

01:00:44   worse but probably not so yeah I won't [TS]

01:00:47   feel worse part of this way Jason the [TS]

01:00:49   movies could get worse but it will never [TS]

01:00:50   feel worried it will never going to get [TS]

01:00:52   we're all gonna get like taken over by [TS]

01:00:54   aliens anyways and yeah i know you know [TS]

01:00:56   what we'll do everything pop lips will [TS]

01:00:58   happen before that true sighs Lee the [TS]

01:01:00   truth is John you're right I it may be [TS]

01:01:03   worse but I will never be more [TS]

01:01:05   disappointed rights right can't be more [TS]

01:01:07   disappointed so there's that [TS]

01:01:09   yay I've already experienced it the most [TS]

01:01:12   extreme disappointment possible and it's [TS]

01:01:14   all stars disappointment was achieved in [TS]

01:01:17   1999 alright so that's our flesh podcast [TS]

01:01:21   about the future star wars I'd like to [TS]

01:01:23   thank my guests and more and thank you [TS]

01:01:24   for being here [TS]

01:01:25   may the force be with you Jason always [TS]

01:01:28   and always really timing always through [TS]

01:01:31   2015 and then every two years after that [TS]

01:01:33   John siracusa every two years forever [TS]

01:01:37   will be talking about new star wars now [TS]

01:01:38   you won't that be great [TS]

01:01:40   17 episodes you reach look as good you [TS]

01:01:43   will not surrender Caldwell hiding from [TS]

01:01:46   the man with the chainsaw has tried to [TS]

01:01:48   kill her or cut down the tree that was [TS]

01:01:50   felt by Hurricane thank you for being [TS]

01:01:52   here [TS]

01:01:52   well you know when you wish upon a star [TS]

01:01:55   wars sometimes good things sometimes [TS]

01:01:58   only when you face the power of the dark [TS]

01:02:01   side [TS]

01:02:02   is a problem ben boychuk thank you for [TS]

01:02:04   being here as well [TS]

01:02:06   stinking Jar Jar Binks now we're never [TS]

01:02:08   gonna speak to him he's gonna be alright [TS]

01:02:10   is cooler blob his corpse a bday if they [TS]

01:02:13   put a bullet in him then then all will [TS]

01:02:15   be well as forgiving alright and for [TS]

01:02:20   everybody at the uncomfortable this is [TS]

01:02:22   jason still signing off thanks for [TS]

01:02:24   listening [TS]