The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► we could you come free my friends [TS]

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00:00:07 ◼   ► the entire horrible Todd test number 108 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► September 2012 [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► mmm [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► I'm your host Jason L and in this [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► edition we are not talking about movies [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► we are not talking about books we are [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► not talking about comics and we're not [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► talking about TV shows we are talking [TS]

00:00:32 ◼   ► about video games and in fact this is an [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► episode devoted to the video game that [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► John siracusa has devoted lots and lots [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► of praise to which is a journey a [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► journey by that game company released [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► march 2012 this very year and John has [TS]

00:00:54 ◼   ► sung the praises of this so much that it [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► caused many of us who don't own a [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► playstation 3 to go out and get one [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► borrow it from a friend make new friends [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► in order to our other playstation 3 and [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► play this game so that John would you be [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► able to do a podcast about it without [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► being all by himself so joining me as [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► you might expect is John siracusa who [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► made this whole thing happened John [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► thanks for being here it's really about [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► bringing people together basically it is [TS]

00:01:25 ◼   ► in fact I believe three of our guests [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► perhaps played this game together [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► yesterday [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► now they were supposed to play it alone [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► it's just about the trading the [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► PlayStation instructions are complicated [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► I understand about bringing people [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► together but all all alone at first will [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► you bring them together and then place [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► them in isolation booth until it's their [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► turn to play the game exactly so the the [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► three people I I reference there Dan [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► Morin and play this game I believe [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► yesterday is that right down [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► streetlights people living just to find [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► emotion [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► yeah Andy yeah i played this game is it [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► just yesterday it seems like yesterday [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► it was just yesterday it was to say was [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► in it was in one of our other panelists [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► living room I just SAT there quietly [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► funny because it's true and so which is [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► it so Tony sindelar is also here who's [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► been on several of our podcast hi Tony [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► you played this game with dan despite [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► John Syracuse's I did not I i do what [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► John syracuse that tells me to do you [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► played it separately [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► I did we all mainly because Jason who [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► you will introduce the 2nd had already [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► hosted one person in his living room [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► yesterday the pleasure neon [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► and rather than having a revolving door [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► of people playing it in his living room [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► while he sat in the corner hoping that [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► people would leave i took his [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► playstation from his house and brought [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► it to my house where it still is and i [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► played it by myself and miss it [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► it'll come back someday that other [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► person you heard there his name rhymes [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► with Bochy it's jason tachi hi hi you [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► played you are the owner of the [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► playstation in question are you not it's [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► true was was being the operative work [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► was was it sold wasn't destroyed [TS]

00:03:04 ◼   ► possessions nine-tenths of the law man [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► Tony's got it now Tony's got it Wow uh [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► and also here with us is somebody who [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► wasn't part of the big journey party [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► yesterday apparently which is a great [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► Steve lots hi Steve a Jason now you're [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► right I I I was not involved in the the [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► big journey in I i was alone i never [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► knew what good luck could do frankly [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► that's good the wheel in the sky keeps [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► on turning that's true so and i played [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► this game i will say i also defied the [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► siracusa rules and my wife and i played [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► this game together because i believe [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► marriages are strengthened by games of [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► journey and uh and we had a good time in [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► this game this game is actually very [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► much in the genre video games that she [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► likes so so we know open a bottle of [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► wine and played some journey and [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► everybody had a good time so I John do [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► were the instigator of this entire thing [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► so I wonder if perhaps you have some [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► opening thoughts about this this game [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► before we begin to discuss it [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► my first opening thought which I'm [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► surprised you had slipped by is that if [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► you've not played this game and you like [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► video games at all or I've ever seen a [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► video game or think you might like [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► playing a video game in sometime in the [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► future in your life and can gain access [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► to a playstation 3 some pears off [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► listening to this podcast now do not [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► listen to this podcast because we're [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► going to ruin the game for you and this [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► is definitely one of those games where [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► I was telling you about it will take [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► away from the enjoyment this podcast is [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► isn't going anywhere just stopped [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► listening now set it aside leave it in [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► your iTunes library don't market is [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► played [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► you can come back and listen to it some [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► days I'm never gonna get a playstation [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► 3i hate sony Sony killed my family [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► someday you'll be able to play this game [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► in some form on some future system and [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► you will forgive sony for killing your [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► think that's right out you get up there [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► are you instructed me to fire off the [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► spoiler horn [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► yes it should be the biggest spoiler [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► horn ever because i think i think and no [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► other thing that has been discussed is [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► except for perhaps some projects back if [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► you don't know that I know that Darth [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► Vader's Darth Vader's looks like whoa [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► whoa didn't know that yes we really were [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► in that for you [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► i I'm sorry I I don't know where you're [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► getting that because I i play the game [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► having read multiple reviews and I knew [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► virtually everything about the game [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► apart from you know that the minutiae of [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► it and I still managed to enjoy it [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► thoroughly and I don't really think i [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► saw anything it will still be good game [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► I i don't think i found anything that I [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► would have been out that I was [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► disappointed that I knew about in [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► advance I will elaborate on why I think [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► that is not to say this will not be a [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► fun game maybe if you know everything [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► about it but I just think it has the [TS]

00:05:53 ◼   ► chance to be much better so yes please [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► fire the big gigantic spoiler horn [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► the spoiler horn the biggest boiler horn [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► in the universe has been fired so so [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► John now that we've cleared out the room [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► the spoiler horn has rendered everyone [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► did completely deaf in fact I how would [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► you like to proceed from here this is [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► your show basically as far as I'm [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► concerned I'm just here to move things [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► along and non-stop to frame this my [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► opening comments for this and a lot of [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► the other games that I really like and [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► tell people that they should play is [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► these games that I like so much and i [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► recommend everybody i always get the [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► feeling that to like these kind of games [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► you have to have been sort of brought up [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► in a in a gaming culture that there is [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► there's some background that you need to [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► to fully appreciate and enjoy these [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► games and it's always struck me as kind [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► of a shame because I wish other people [TS]

00:06:54 ◼   ► could experience these games the same [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► way I do and that i talked a lot about [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► this on on hypercritical couple episodes [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► back there's two parts of this one was [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► the skill component of being able to [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► just move the little dude on the screen [TS]

00:07:06 ◼   ► and we've all seen people who can't do [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► that at all i don't think there are any [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► on-the-spot guess but they're out there [TS]

00:07:12 ◼   ► so many people who just can't get past [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► that and that they're completely [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► prevented from enjoying these games [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► because of the skill but i'm not even [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► talking about that perception we all [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► have enough skill to you know move the [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► little guy around on the screen and [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► we're doing the second part is if you're [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► not steeped in gaming culture there are [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► gaming conventions and things about the [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► experience that the Gamemakers hope that [TS]

00:07:32 ◼   ► you did that you don't have to explain [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► to you that are going to be new and you [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► can appreciate the finer points and not [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► get bogged down with the basic stuff I [TS]

00:07:42 ◼   ► some it's it's different than something [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► like a movie where we feel like we can [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► bring everybody along but I that that's [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► one of the things about all these these [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► games that i really love that [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► disappoints me because i always get the [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► feeling that someone out there is [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► playing this game but they're not [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► playing the same game as I am because [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► all those sort of base foundational [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► things that come from you know thirties [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► plus years of playing video games aren't [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► there and that's what they're playing [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► and then I'm playing the thing above [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► that so journey fella him i got to me [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► but I also think that [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► it's enjoyable at every possible level [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► so i'm very interested in hearing [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► everybody's experience playing the game [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► and at what level they felt like they [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► were playing the game like what what [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► aspects of the game did they find most [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► enjoyable are interesting and which [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► aspects were either above or beneath [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► their recognition [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► I'll jump in and say that it was an [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► interesting experience for me coming [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► from someone who plays a decent number [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► of video games even on a console and so [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► in terms of like coming from a certain [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► type of background where for example i [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► play a lot of games where it's like oh [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► man I want to go through and like do [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► everything that's possible and collect [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► all the things that I'm supposed to [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► collect and there's a certain sort of [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► compulsion sometimes two games like that [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► for me that have a collector aspect and [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► there were times where I wondered at [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► home and I want to find like missing [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► something you know like just I haven't [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► explored something that I could have [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► explored but after a certain point I got [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► beyond that to a point where it's just [TS]

00:09:17 ◼   ► like I just wanted to get you know I [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► wanted to keep going and that was more [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► important to me than stopping and [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► finding every little secret or or nook [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► and cranny that I could possibly explore [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► but i did spend a really long time in [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► that first sort of environment that you [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► visit because it took me awhile to [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► figure out exactly what I was supposed [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► to do and you know like i said i played [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► this number of video games and like [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► johns talking about there's a shared [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► language in a series of strokes or what [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► have you that that you can sort of tap [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► into and figure out what I'm supposed to [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► do any given game right because I know [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► what buttons i'm supposed to press and I [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► you know how I'm supposed to interact [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► certain things and accuse they're going [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► to point me in certain directions in to [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► a certain extent it was interesting also [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► to play on a system that i'm not very [TS]

00:10:04 ◼   ► familiar with because it did remove some [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► of the standard language that i have for [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► all you know if I'm playing a game on my [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► xbox I know roughly like okay the [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► triggers going to do these kinds of [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► things that joysticks are going to do [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► these kind of things and so you [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► obviously the PlayStation is very [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► similar but it was just slightly [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► different off at times I was like why [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► you know gotta figure out how do i can [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► tilt this controller to change the [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► camera angle and stuff like that so it [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► was it was an interesting departure in [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► some way [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► is for many of the games that you play I [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► think it was interesting that the game [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► is sort of designed to be accessible to [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► people who might not play a lot of games [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► but also it gave a sort of familiar way [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► of interacting with it if you are [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► familiar with games now when i first [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► started playing it and you stand up in [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► the desert there at the beginning and [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► you can it tells you all use this button [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► to move around and tilt the controller [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► to look around and I thought to myself [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► oh man i really wish they would just let [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► me use the right thumbstick to move [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► around that's what I'm used to it using [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► a move my camera around and then I find [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► that I could do that and so that's what [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► i use basically for the rest of the game [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► because you can do a lot faster and I'm [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► used to controlling a camera really [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► quickly and games like that when i gave [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► the game to my fiance to try out who [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► does not play a lot of games and really [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► find it very off-putting which has to [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► control the camera with the thumbstick [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► she found it very natural to tilt the [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► controller just slightly to move the [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► camera around and stuck to that for the [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► entire time that she played was telling [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► me afterward about how much she [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► appreciated that she could move it like [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► that because it's not as fast and it [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► gives you a chance to actually feel like [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► you're just looking around a leisurely [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► kind of pace and and it's that kind of [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► game or it gives you room to move and [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► space to kind of decide what you're [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► going to do next without necessarily [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► always being a fast-acting like oh my [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► gosh something's gonna kill you right [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► now kind of game [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► I actually felt like they were kind of a [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► lot of video game convention that kind [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► of had to unlearn what you know part of [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► that for example is so many of the [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► buttons that do the same thing right [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► like their multiple buttons that will [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► let you jump and things like that [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► the idea that each button doesn't have [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► some unique thing to do and I almost [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► felt like I was kind of progressing [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► through things there at the same similar [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► experience to Dan were you know I I had [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► to kind of give up that compulsion to be [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► like there's a shiny thing in the [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► distance I should go find that all right [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► i need to look at every corner of the [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► level to find the shiny things I can't [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► see my kind of at a certain point was [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► just like I just kind of want to i want [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► to see what's next [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► and that's more interesting to me than [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► finding every object in the level [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► um but I also think it kind of forced me [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► to look at it a little bit differently i [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► mean when i first saw this I thought [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► like all I'm going to be like pushing [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► blocks all around and solving puzzles [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► and things like that it was [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► you know that there's a lot that it's [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► very stripped down it's not like other [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► games where you know I'm gonna have to [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► navigate an environment and kind of [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► control in in a more complex way I guess [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► that was perhaps what I was expecting [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► going into it was that I was gonna have [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► to do lots of kind of like lock shifting [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► and puzzle-solving and things like that [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► that was the point I should have made in [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► the intro is that part of the having [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► this this cultural background of [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► conventions these games that i love so [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► much [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► it's partially because they play against [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► those conventions if you don't know what [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► those conventions are something playing [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► against them is not as interesting as [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► you do know there are so it's a great [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► examples ego which plays against like [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► every convention you could possibly [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► imagine in terms of the game interface [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► journey is closed [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► one of the things that that eco does [TS]

00:13:22 ◼   ► it's very unique the journey sort of [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► does is it decides that pretty much [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► everything is in the game world so if [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► you think about a game like that and [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► like diablo or something or real-time [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► strategy game our first person shooter [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► or even something like Zelda armario [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► like for example you hit when you hit an [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► enemy like the part that you hit glows [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► red to show the year you have damaged [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► when you put your cursor over something [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► in the elbow they get an outline to show [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► that they're highlighted right that's [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► the interface to the game telling you [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► highlighted this person this thing has [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► this much health less because health bar [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► on it or you know or did you know here [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► is an item you can pick up this is this [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► coin is worth five the number 50 p [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► robert wright in eco everything is in [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► the game world so if nothing in real [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► life would glow with the red outline [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► nothing in the game close with the red [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► outline journey walks a fine line [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► because it pretty much does the same [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► thing but it does do like the overlay to [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► show hey you can tell your controller [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► hey move the stick or whatever very [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► limited in the beginning and it does [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► have things that glow but it's my [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► impression that they're really glowing [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► in the game world and that's not [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► interesting to you if you don't know [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► that the convention is always have some [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► sort of user interface or a HUD or [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► things that light up you know and then [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► the perfect example of that was well i'm [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► wandering wandering around that first [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► environment which is kinda like that [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► sunken crater temple ruins etc I always [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► like trying to figure out where to go [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► and so I'm like walking and climbing up [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► the sides of this little like crater and [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► at one point I got all the way to the [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► top and some place and was clearly some [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► place I was not supposed to go and so [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► when you get to sort of what you know [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► what we all think of as the edge of the [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► map right instead of just being like you [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► hit an invisible wall and can't go [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► anywhere if you try to press further [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► there are winds that just blow you back [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► in your characters like trying to push [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► into the wind and I thought that was [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► just a subtle point that was well done [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► because it did give me the queue of oh I [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► am clearly not supposed to go that way [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► he climb climb enough far enough up the [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► hillside the wind blows you and you fall [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► you slide down the hillside and go all [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► right let's try something else i'd be [TS]

00:15:18 ◼   ► curious how many people who weren't [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► gamers would push against that win for [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► half an hour before realizing that i was [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► nothing is lost and that's another thing [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► if if you're a gamer you get the idea [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► pretty quickly oh I shouldn't go this [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► way if you're not a game you may spend [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► some time there but that actually brings [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► up these links that i just gave Jason [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► before the show of 22 episodes of extra [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► credits which is a video game video [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► series that was on the web is now part [TS]

00:15:40 ◼   ► of Penny Arcade early stay out they host [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► it and they have a 22 episodes season 4 [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► episode 20 and 21 that show how journey [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► conforms to the hero's journey thing I [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► don't want to go over this is there good [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► videos just watch yourself with this one [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► particular aspect is a it's joseph [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► campbell right the hero's journey yeah [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► and one I figure with the steps are but [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► one of the steps is a wasn't rejecting [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► the call or something like that where [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► the hero says no i don't i don't want [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► this you're ignoring the color something [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► that take this cup away from me or [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► whatever I and the in the videos they [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► say you know we thought to make that was [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► a step that journey left out because at [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► no point does the player reject the call [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► to go in the hero's journey you're [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► always in the game right so I guess [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► during doesn't have that part of the [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► hero's journey but actually it does and [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► the the rejecting the call and I'm [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► getting the words wrong here is when you [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► go somewhere that you're not supposed to [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► go you go to the edge of the map you say [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► I wonder what's over here and you say [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► but you know I don't want to go where [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► the game wants me to go because it's not [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► glaringly obvious i want to see what's [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► over here and you are rejecting the call [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► of the game to go on this journey like [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► no actually I just want to go see what's [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► over here it looks like it might be neat [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► and the winds blow you back [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► yeah i thought the talking about being a [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► gamer versus a non-gamer for me as [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► somebody who has had various consoles [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► over the years but is not even remotely [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► a hardcore gamer I felt like [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► this uh I knew enough that it all came [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► back to me you know i played what like [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► Tomb Raider and things like that and it [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► I the muscle memory was still there at [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► that level that it was a really basic [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► you know from five or ten years ago [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► memory of I know how to get around and I [TS]

00:17:18 ◼   ► gotta move the camera and that was [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► enough for me it was i I wasn't confused [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► about like what happens i press a button [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► here and somebody on the screen moves I [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► mean I understood that part of it but it [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► had been a long time since I played a [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► game like this and it was i was able to [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► figure it out very quickly and then [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► become just engrossed in the in the [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► story as we go and it is a very gentle [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► game in the sense of of entering you [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► into this world and having you figure [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► out what what you're supposed to be [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► doing in fact it's you can see how [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► carefully the the game designers have [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► set this up so that you are kind of led [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► by the hand at the beginning and and [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► given a very gentle introduction to how [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► this game works [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► yeah and I mean there are plenty of [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► other things in there that sort of [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► defies that same you know vocabulary [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► that many of us get adjusted to UM and I [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► don't know I'm kind of curious in some [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► ways so Jason Tasi tachi we're going to [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► announce today you were you are watching [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► me for on and off for some of that [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► portion because i know you're sitting in [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► the room doing some work but you would [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► glance up every time the end and I have [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► you know that does change the experience [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► I think John's right because I [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► definitely felt like you know i'm [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► staring at the screen watching you [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► watching like my god you think I'm an [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► idiot comes my fortune 10 minutes but [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► like how well I did spend a really long [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► time wandering around that first section [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► because I thought I had figured out [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► where to go and then I couldn't figure [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► out what to do with when I got to that [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► platform was sort of the first little [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► out monument that you reach and it's [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► like IRL there's a thing here and it [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► seems like this is where I should go but [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► nothing seems to happen when I get here [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► so maybe I should spend more time [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► exploring and so I wandered around for [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► you know another 10 minutes before i [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► went finally decided alright i guess [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► that's where i was supposed to be let me [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► figure out what the hell is what to do [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► when I got there [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► yeah well I was watching you but not [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► like in a creepy way or anything um gift [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► I what I was struck by actually was in [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► that first area while I saw you [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► wandering around I was just like man he [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► is just so much more thorough than I was [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► not spend enough time looking around his [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► guide for hundreds and completion yeah [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► yeah I was like oh man I you know I and [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► it was funny too because I had already [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► finished the game at that point and so [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► I'm looking around at the at the first [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► zone there with a new sense of [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► appreciation of things I didn't [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► understand before like this little lit [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► up blocks and one part and you're [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► looking at Dan playing I realized oh [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► those are for to indicate how many [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► collectible shiny things you picked up [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► during the course of the game right [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► because dad already picked up three or [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► something like that whereas by have more [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► lit up and I realized they indicated [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► which levels you pick them up on and [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► stuff but mostly I was watching and [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► thinking to myself like me did I not [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► play it right should I looked around and [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► then when I want you playing in later [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► levels i was struck by app after you [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► made the decision to just press on which [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► is I did the exact same thing at a [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► certain point was just like not want to [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► see how it ends and i'll go back and [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► play it again later we pressed on and [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► almost the exact same ways including [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► there's one level where um hi it's [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► another desert level on partway through [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► maybe the third one and where you can [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► crawl up along the surface eastern edge [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► of this giant sand dunes and the wind [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► starts blowing engine starts getting [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► darker and there's just our off to your [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► left and that is not the only way to get [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► up to where you're trying to get and I [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► know that because somebody else that I [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► saw playing went another way entirely [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► but dan and I went about it the exact [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► same way like pushing against the winds [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► trying to go the most difficult way [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► possible and I was fascinated with that [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► is exactly what i did too did you too [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► yes in fact that was the one place where [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► is going to confused by the wind because [TS]

00:20:50 ◼   ► like I could see the tower and clearly i [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► can I have to go like all the way to my [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► left but I'm like I'm just trying to go [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► right at the tower and the wind won't [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► let you do that night you know I'm like [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► like trying to like I'm trying to beat [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► it like it's actually win like I'm [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► zigzagging to like and pressed against [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► that is different like four minutes like [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► trying to try to push thru invisible [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► wall is a good point i think to bring up [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► the other aspect of the game which is [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► how many i know i never talk about but I [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► was saying play alone like as if you're [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► sitting in a room by yourself holding [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► control over how many of you play the [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► game [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► alone in the game world versus with [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► another character and how many of you [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► knew that those other characters were [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► other people sitting in their living [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► rooms or thought they were computer [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► players [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► well that was one thing i got spoiled [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► for me what you know about that mechanic [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► like it was funny because especially [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► when I started off the game we had some [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► trouble getting the PlayStation account [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► to work correctly so I remember starting [TS]

00:21:39 ◼   ► into Jason yes is not connected networks [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► that probably goes yeah that's a big [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► problem so we had to like back out of [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► the game and restart but it was the [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► question i had and and I tried to [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► address this jason afterwards but we're [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► trying to avoid spoilers for other [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► people in the room so we didn't get a [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► full chance to talk about it was it was [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► not clear to me whether it was the same [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► person that I was encountering over and [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► over again so the sound that they make [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► when what when they sing there's a [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► symbol [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► yes I noted I i noticed that afterwards [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► when it when it identifies all of them [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► yes so the symbol is who the people are [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► right at the end there's the credits and [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► it's l0 you paid the journey with and [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► and I was spoiled too i knew that there [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► was this sort of unique network play [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► where they--either they create a way for [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► you not to have a twelve-year-old boy [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► say second bad tonight instead it's now [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► exactly exactly so I had not had a [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► spoiled but and I wasn't entirely sure [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► what I was seeing and I wasn't sure you [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► know where the earliest companion could [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► kind of appear I think I wasn't like the [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► second level and I suddenly saw this [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► little shape dancing in the distance and [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► and I didn't really know quite what I [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► was experiencing at first I wasn't sure [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► if that was you know the way it was [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► moving and reacted to me did not seem [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► like nai right arm and you know in some [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► effort and I wasn't sure and I was like [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► trying to test it so i would do the [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► thing where I would like sing and [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► sometimes it would sing back to me and [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► sometimes in wouldn't and it would you [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► know sometimes we follow me and [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► sometimes it would wander off into its [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► own thing and I wasn't really sure [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► exactly what I was experiencing in terms [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► of like is a person is this live resist [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► you know am I seeing like you know a [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► recorded session of somebody else or or [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► whatnot so i didn't have that ruined for [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► me and I wasn't entirely sure at first [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► what I was experiencing it was kind of [TS]

00:23:20 ◼   ► immediately obvious to me the way that [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► thing was moving that like this was not [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► an AI right it's not you know keeping a [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► static distance from me it's not [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► following some preset path there was [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► something about it that felt like [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► extremely organic [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► alive even though it's just you know a [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► bunch of pixels on the screen that like [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► I immediately started to question what [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► is that you know as opposed to just [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► assuming that it was some npc that was [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► following me around [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► I felt the same way it's a I i played [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► with i think four separate guy is my [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► first time through the game for girls [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► it's really have no idea i had three [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► I had eight whoa yeah I ended up with [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► eight on this on my second playthrough [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► but on the first 1i think it was either [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► three or four and it pretty much the [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► whole way through I I thought it was the [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► same person i think the reason for that [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► is because the the actions that you can [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► perform are so completely limited and [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► you know there's there's only so much a [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► person can do to differentiate itself [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► from another person and and i think it [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► is really interesting playing a [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► multiplayer game where because those [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► actions are so limited [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► there's really no way for another player [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► to screw with you so since there's no [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► point in being an ahole other players [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► just kind of give up on the concept [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► because i know some of those people i [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► was playing with her probably nine year [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► old kids who given the opportunity would [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► have you know spirit obscenities at me [TS]

00:24:38 ◼   ► in seconds [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► yes and told me to eat it brutally but [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► you know because that wasn't even an [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► option other players they just seem like [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► that the other decide to just sort of [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► amuse themselves by jumping around or [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► are there actually actively helpful [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► which is another strange experience in a [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► multiplayer game having only played at [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► once i also wasn't sure when I was [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► experiencing you know because there were [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► lots of times when there wasn't a person [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► there i think either there wasn't a [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► companion on the level or they were way [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► ahead of winter way behind me and I [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► wasn't sure in terms of I was basically [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► not sure in terms of what I was [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► experiencing like am I supposed to be at [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► this place alone because there are parts [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► of the game more like you feel extremely [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► alone and I wasn't sure that was by [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► design or they're just happen to not be [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► a companion there i'm thinking [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► especially at the kind of toward the end [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► when I'm climbing up through the snow [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► I was you know I had not seen a [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► companion probably a half-hour at that [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► point I had I had a companion when you [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► had a companion with you that would have [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► been a very different experience I felt [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► like I lost mine towards the end about [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► like the third level from the end and i [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► actually was was terribly sad i kept [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► turning the camera to look behind me and [TS]

00:25:43 ◼   ► be like are they can't really go someone [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► here am I supposed to be climbing this [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► mountain [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► to forever I was bummed because my new [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► my companion would he would never [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► complete his pilgrimage and it wasn't [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► busy kind of depressing and sad day i'm [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► curious to know you know again what [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► you're sort of it seems like the [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► overwhelming feeling here was kind of a [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► bond of you know [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► come-come robbery right between you and [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► so curious because I felt like different [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► at different times I had different [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► relationships with the Companions i was [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► playing with like you know in that [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► second level when you first meet someone [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► I figured out from them what I was [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► supposed to do in that level right where [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► you have to get those carpets to like [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► for the bridge for you and so he was [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► walking around and triggered something I [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► said oh okay I get it i'm going to go [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► and do this i don't know i think that's [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► what I thought of them as well what's [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► the deal with the movie tickets flying [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► around in the air when you guys did your [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► first playthrough and and you had [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► companions walking around with you I [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► have a theory on the way the game kind [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► of works with that that I've noticed [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► that on the second playthrough and on [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► subsequent playthroughs i ran across a [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► lot of people that had additional [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► decoration on the end of their robes [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► like the second time i played through I [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► noticed i had some patterns towards the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► bottom of my robe and a i ran across a [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► lot of other people who had it all the [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► almost halfway up the road they had [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► patterns and one guy was actually [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► completely white and glowing and I don't [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► think during my first playthrough I ran [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► through anybody that meets that [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► description i think I only hit people [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► that were almost entirely brown or or [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► maybe had played through once and so I'm [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► wondering if the game is actually [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► actively gating people who have only [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► played the game I have not played the [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► game frequently and deliberately putting [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► them together to ensure that one person [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► doesn't lead everybody else to the game [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► I don't think so just because i played [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► through once completely and and [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► basically but the only way that was able [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► to tell that some people that I changed [TS]

00:27:35 ◼   ► companions partway through is that at [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► first I was running with somebody who [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► had a scarf that was much shorter than [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► mine and then suddenly they sat down for [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► a while and were replaced by someone who [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► had a scarf that was much longer than [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► mine [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► wonder what they saw in their little [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► vision after what you must be really [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► really hard to get people to actually [TS]

00:27:51 ◼   ► sit down and do that [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► meditate with someone for 20 seconds [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► trophy but anyway [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► actually I didn't have a problem with [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► that because did you I i think that that [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► the person that I ran across who had [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► stripes about halfway up the second i [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► sat down this person realized oh ok this [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► person wants to get this achievement and [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► he sat down to think i would so I went [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► to try and read various like see two [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► rentals reviews after I played it and [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► one of the things that i read basically [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► described a language in which you would [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► use signaling with the singing to try [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► and communicate awhile which seemed [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► crazy because it's like how would anyone [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► but they they have like elaborately you [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► know it was it was basically verging [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► toward Morse code right like like so too [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► long and short is it you know [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► yeah but did you did you feel like you [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► develop like an ad-hoc language because [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► I kind of did a couple points or no i [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► mean i would kind of thing back and [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► forth the people the language they were [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► suggesting seem kind of basically crazy [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► because like I mean for example you know [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► they were suggesting like all like like [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► four dashes in a row that would let you [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► apologize and I'm like I don't think [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► you're gonna game where I need to [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► apologize [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► speaking of apologies that is one of the [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► most interesting aspects of this game I [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► think you guys will hit on most of the [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► points that I would that I would have [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► brought up myself that the only thing [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► that I have to add about the multiplayer [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► are you got the point about you know the [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► so we've got the everyone here has heard [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► of a John Gabe good John Gabriel's [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► greater internet f1 theory [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► oh yes that it's normal person plus [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► anonymity is audience equals total life [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► wad right and that's what that's what [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► we're talking about in regular [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► multiplayer games also in this game [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► it's not just that there's so few [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► actions that you can do because then [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► whatever you got you got sing and you've [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► got walk around and you've got fly is [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► that they were in early versions of the [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► game [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► I've gone back now after playing it so [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► many times and read all about it [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► they are originally had a collision [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► detection between the players but I [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► don't have any of you noticed this but [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► there is no collision detection between [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► players you can be standing and [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► literally the same place as it like that [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► the body's just go through each other [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► that's so you can't even bump somebody [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► off the platform and the characters [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► themselves [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► I mean if you look at them looks like [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► they're wearing a poncho but they [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► basically have no arms like there-there [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► agency in the world through like the [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► arms which you would grab somebody or [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► punch somebody or do something to have [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► any arms this is clearly signaling no [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► interaction of that type with with the [TS]

00:30:08 ◼   ► other people but I you mentioned al [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► apologies one of the first things to [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► come about this game it's kind of a [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► shame you guys played it now and [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► that way back in March because there was [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► a big rush of like gamer nerds who [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► played in the first few weeks and I [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► think we all were kind of you know the [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► bright-eyed gamer nerds or whatever but [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► afterwards on the message boards for the [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► for the journey game they had a [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► persistent apology thread in which [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► people would tell a story kind of missed [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► connections on whatever thing has been [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► in sight [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► you don't know me but we were in this [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► thing together and I didn't mean to let [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► the dragon CS but he did and I feel so [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► bad about that and they were just go in [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► the forums they would have big long [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► anonymous apology threads to like you [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► know person was simple with two little [TS]

00:30:48 ◼   ► triangles who was on at this time a [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► night or whatever at apologizing and my [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► first experience playing through the [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► game was I guess what kind of a [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► monogamous person where I i met somebody [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► I I was by myself for a long time I saw [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► the people index I'm gonna go two miles [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► on my own until things got scary and I [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► teamed up with somebody and he he he led [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► me through the whole thing and we were [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► together you know what your business is [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► like it's like the first day the game [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► came out right so no one knows anything [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► about the game we got our stomping [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► little red tails and we're walking [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► through this thing together and we're [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► like huddled together to try to you know [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► come over here all hot and high from [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► this height of this thing whatever and [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► we were in the part where you're hiding [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► in the little sections of the Dragon [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► things so they don't see you know and [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► I'm i bumped into the doorway and didn't [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► get into the door in time I'm like one [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► of the middle ones and that was enough [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► for the dragon to spot us both and come [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► through and rip off all our tails and I [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► felt so bad about that I had to let down [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► my partner we've been in this together [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► I just felt terrible and like the the [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► rest of the walk I was like despondent [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► and like you get things like he's like [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► walking you know I felt like my head was [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► hung low it's like I blew it for both of [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► us and you know that's just it it [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► changed the game entirely for me we're [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► going to approach the light with tiny [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► little scarves i think that that [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► perfectly describes what I find so [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► magical about this game though it's [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► particularly in terms of what you're [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► saying before even about collision [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► detection I did the exact same thing by [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► the way in that area with a little you [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► know structures that you run between the [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► snow and you attract the attention of [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► things and I I wouldn't get to the the [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► door and in time and the things spotted [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► me and so I immediately broke off to the [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► side to leave the thing away from my [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► companion oh wow [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► and it worked and didn't think about it [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► and it's not something I would have done [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► pretty much any other multiplayer game [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► we're just like whatever if I'm getting [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► screwed so are you but it [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► Wow see I played that section by myself [TS]

00:32:38 ◼   ► it was very different it was scary i was [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► in and out like i had people there and [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► then gone and I in fact set and ready [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► the creature of myself at one point [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► without you know with nobody else around [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► i had separated myself my partner but [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► the thing that I was going to say about [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► that similar is like and that part where [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► you're sort of climbing up the mountain [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► in the snow [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► I had a guy who's sort of going along [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► with me at the same time and because of [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► the way that it the snow works you know [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► freezing your scarf like we would like I [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► would like running immediately try to [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► like cuddle with him back to like like [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► and I was like that was that was so to [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► me that was fascinating to be like we're [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► like I will fall out together and then [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► we'll fly a little bit and that's what [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► I'm saying is the one thing that they [TS]

00:33:18 ◼   ► kept about collision detection is that [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► you can't even mess with people by [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► running into them you run into them and [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► you refill their energy right yeah and [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► so it it fosters a certain intimacy that [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► it more or the illusion thereof even if [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► the person's ago walking into you and [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► will continue its helping you and that's [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► Sookie and in those snowy levels we are [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► huddled next to each other going up in [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► that cold snowy mountain and that's the [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► only thing that's keeping your scarves [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► from completely going out and actually [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► reminded me of ego which I have to [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► consciously not pronounced I go in my [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► head in that it's a game so much about [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► hand-holding you know even though they [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► don't really have hands in this game [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► it's a game about establishing a [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► connection through close contact with [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► other characters and that's why I think [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► like that's what i was saying to say so [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► while free because such an important [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► aspect of this game in terms of the [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► spoilers is again similar to ego the [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► comparison using ego is that an eco you [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► fight these shadowy things with the [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► stick right and since its and not [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► everything is in the game world there [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► are no health meters there are no hit [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► points there is no glowing items there's [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► no glowing red when you take damage you [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► have no idea if you can die [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► what would cause you to die how many [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► hits it takes to kill an enemy like just [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► like you know and it in this type in [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► journey [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► you don't know what what happens if I [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► get eaten by a dragon do i do I die [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► what happens at my little thing freezes [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► i do have to start the like there is [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► that part of the game were like this a [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► game system you have a number of lives [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► you know what's going to happen you have [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► no idea what's going to have [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► so you're terrified that like if that if [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► the dragon spots like the whole game is [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► over i just played this for an hour and [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► a half we been on this journey together [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► and I like that because it's it defies [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► gaming conventions of being cynical I [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► got three lives left as a 1-up mushroom [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► around the corner so not to worry about [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► that i can do this life here i'll do a [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► quick save and then i'll hit kill this [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► enemy and like nothing like that and [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► that tension of not knowing in fact not [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► knowing how the game ends like what is [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► the endgame of this game [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► am i doing something wrong by trudging [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► up this mountain my whole friggin scarf [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► is gone my things are freezing to death [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► tonight what have I done wrong by UNM I [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► think it was the worst because when I [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► let down my partner he separated a [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► little bit from me like I was behind him [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► but he was like he would wait for me but [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► it was kinda like a tell he was annoying [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► like up so-and-so walk up the hill [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► together he was like three two steps [TS]

00:35:26 ◼   ► ahead I'm like maybe if we had been [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► closer to each other and hold huddle for [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► warmth more like we had before we [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► wouldn't be freezing to death now that [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► not knowing and that defying of [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► conventions is so important to it i [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► think that it makes the deeply [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► experienced this plant playing this game [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► so unique as compared to all I know [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► what's gonna happen now I know all the [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► game systems now I know how this game [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► plays out i know you know it's still fun [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► and those things but that that was a [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► unique experience for me especially with [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► the multiplayer aspect that first spooky [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► dragon when you're in the kind of like [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► 20 miles under there and you know having [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► not seem like an enemy and not taking [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► help and like it spotted me and it light [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► it up and it's lunging at me and it [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► grabs me and I just assumed the game is [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► over here [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► I'm done there's not there's not coming [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► back from this I have to start over to [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► walk through the desert again can you [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► survive and you're like oh yeah and then [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► you look at you think [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► no my scarf know how long it took me to [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► get that cigar Pia and make them make [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► the snapping sound with the animation [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► but there is that there is a moment of [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► like I mean when those things come to [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► life for the first time and you see them [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► did you not feel that like immediate and [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► ate like I gotta get out the white like [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► I gotta not get spite like I was up on [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► the sides behind the pillars time like [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► every time they come by like huddled [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► behind a pillar pillar and wait for it [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► to go past and like start around the [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► side just feel like i don't know i don't [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► get spotted until like on the snow like [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► going through those little parts on the [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► snow level but like can I at that point [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► I was like maybe maybe you can't get her [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► butt [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► I learned that lesson the music helps [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► helps a lot to write that the musical [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► cues when the dragon appears right are [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► our it's amazing how why we are for [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► things like musical cues from from [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► movies and TV and for me that was that [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► moment where you know the dragon is [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► spotted in the musical cue comes in and [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► then it's like Hello and it was really [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► scary it's like there's a little bit of [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► a bass rumble and there's scary music [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► and that's this cute of Hyde basically [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► and I didn't I did what I was told i ran [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► away and hid yeah not enough good can be [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► said about the music in this game [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► I mean really the to meet ya biggest [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► positive of this entire game was the way [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► the music kind of swells and fades in [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► the disparately cinematic way with the [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► action that that said i was i was really [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► shocked at the end when you get to the [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► very end you know and it burst into any [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► way you want it like that just did not [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► see that coming [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► I really felt wheel in the sky was the [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► most appropriate choice there and they [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► didn't go that way the guy who did this [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► music [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► Austin wintry when i saw it w int 0 ry [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► like I said I knew he was the composer i [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► bought the soundtrack shortly after [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► playing the game I like video game music [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► so no one's gonna buy it and I was [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► picturing him as a as a gray-haired old [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► Japanese man [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► well guess what he's just some dude he's [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► like he's like he's like our age I saw [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► III was a video thing that comes to the [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► makers of I know Jenova Chen ride to [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► I've known him for a while right so come [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► see the makers of journey like wow I'm [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► going to interview with this guy and you [TS]

00:38:14 ◼   ► see a guy who looks like you know it [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► looks like us and it just amazes me that [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► guy it composed this music this is [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► beautiful and that brings up the other [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► part of the game that i found [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► interesting especially now that i played [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► through it many many times and have my [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► beautiful white robes and my group of [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► patterns and all this wonderful stuff is [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► that to do a thing like this is one of [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► the complaints from like traditional [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► game people like oh this game is linear [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► like it takes you through a linear [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► series of things that and it's not does [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► not like branching paths it's not really [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► a hub world until you played it to the [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► first time you know it's it's linear [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► short whatever I they're trying to take [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► you through a series of events and [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► they've tune the game I think amazingly [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► well for basically for me for someone [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► who has played a lot of video games [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► because the music does change when [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► different things happen but its paste 82 [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► exactly line up the cues with how long [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► will take [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► to get from point A to point B how long [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► will it take you to do this next thing [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► what mood will you be in what will you [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► walk towards when the first dragon pops [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► up out of the sand the very first one [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► like they it's almost like they're [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► precognitive they know exactly the way [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► I'm going to do it and the time is going [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► to be perfect and i know this because [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► having played through the game many many [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► times at this point once you become so [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► familiar with the game that you are not [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► playing it like a first second or third [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► time player you are sort of zipping [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► through it a little bit faster or just [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► trying to get to the next thing to look [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► for somebody to help or something like [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► that you will run ahead of the cues and [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► it will not fit together as well and [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► when I saw Adam I was yet it's possible [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► but you know but the thing is they do it [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► so well for the first second and third [TS]

00:39:45 ◼   ► playthrough of like how you would [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► naturally play the game that it just [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► feels magical like you form that bridge [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► you get up on the bridge in this [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► different music when you start gliding [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► over the ridge well when i'm on top of [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► these red things like glide right i [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► right up to the very ending part with [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► that whole musical that we started the [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► ending in a bit like oh yes you can run [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► ahead of all those cues or behind them [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► and it doesn't quite fit together [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► seamlessly but you don't notice that the [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► first time you playing through because [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► it's just perfect it's like it's like [TS]

00:40:09 ◼   ► there's a guy there watching you going [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► and cue the dragon and you know it's [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► like it's like The Truman Show like the [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► entire world is being orchestrated for [TS]

00:40:17 ◼   ► your benefit and linear or not it's the [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► most amazing orchestration of events [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► that exactly predicted what i would do [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► and what mood i would be in right down [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► to like the little that the level where [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► you climb the big tower and they had the [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► cutscene where they show you the mural [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► in a big circle remember that Parton [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► right so in that part they show you when [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► they show you the mural like here you [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► are in the beginning level and hey [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► remember when you to this level and [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► remember too that they haven't the [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► musical cue setup and if you are with a [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► companion on that level it shows two [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► little figures and if you're by yourself [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► it shows one and since I waited awhile [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► to get my companion that the thing was [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► here you are in the beginning and here [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► you were wandering through the desert [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► and you went over the bridges and i like [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► the music he was like and then you found [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► a companion and they have the extra [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► musical cue for now you're with somebody [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► in the two of you go together with it [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► you couldn't have scripted it better and [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► like that was all of my own creation of [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► when I decided to go along with a [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► companion and how the music fit into [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► that it's unbelievable to me [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► yeah it's aight i'm with you John I I i [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► was amazed [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► is that how the score not only was it [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► beautiful but it fit with everything [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► that was that was going on and it really [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► helped make the experience on one with [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► the visuals i'll say the the desert and [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► the snow it is and actually the [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► character I learned to very rapidly I [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► learned to love the little robed guys [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► with a little eyes that you can see and [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► and the even the little inanimate you [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► know whatever you want to call carpets [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► or whatever offer dolphin guys this [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► weekend you come free my friends the big [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► whale one and the movie tell you know [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► that you ride and then the jellyfish and [TS]

00:41:51 ◼   ► yeah the flying the flying carpet [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► creatures yeah they're so I mean eight [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► and they managed to take this very [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► simple building block and turn it into [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► many different things that all were [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► instantly recognizable as different [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► sorts of creatures despite being made on [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► the carpet of the same nature and that [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► was fasting and I loved the stuff with [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► the murals at the end of every level [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► because I kept looking at the art and [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► thinking wow this is so it reminded me [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► in some ways of like a couple Native [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► American pieces that like my parents had [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► when I was a kid because it's got that [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► sort of almost geometric at times like [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► squared-off step style and but it wasn't [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► quite it was still this this entirely [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► and unique thing that wasn't quite of [TS]

00:42:31 ◼   ► anything that I know in the real world [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► and yet was still familiar in some way [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► when every game design when you're [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► making a video game especially like it [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► on indie game their first party sony [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► company right but when you're making one [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► of these small art type games you don't [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► have the budget of like call duty or you [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► know you don't have millions and [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► millions of dollars right so you have to [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► decide where to spend your money co does [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► the exact same thing here at these these [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► things like silver led by a single [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► artistic vision in this case Jenova Chen [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► with a limited budget they have to [TS]

00:42:59 ◼   ► decide all right what are we going to [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► spend our money on and one journey spent [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► money on it spent his money on sand they [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► just you know when not to figure out how [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► to sand how to make it look awesome how [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► to make it look 20 different ways you [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► know great and everything that and [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► fabric and then lighting so three things [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► and fabric in lighting and that's you [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► know they put all their money and all [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► the technology behind those few things [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► and it's really not that much else in [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► this game in terms of technology but it [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► shows what an incredible effect you can [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► have by deciding what's important for [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► your vision and then funneling every [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► resource you have into that equaled it [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► was lighting on [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► playstation 2i it makes it makes a big [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► difference versus saying what we got [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► have tons of enemies and we gotta have [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► this thing's gonna have that you just [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► you just spend your time and energy in [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► the right places [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► I it can pay off big what I find so [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► amazing about that and yet also [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► potentially tragic it was particularly [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► when I was walking up that snowy hill at [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► with with some other character beside me [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► and seeing the little flakes of frost [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► form on my characters rowboat and seeing [TS]

00:43:58 ◼   ► them digging a trench through the snow [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► as they walked in just admiring all the [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► visual effects of it was thinking to [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► myself this is a game that will really [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► hold up you know like when I when I went [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► back to play ninja gaiden on nintendo [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► entertainment system after decades right [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► that there's the the scene where I stand [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► at the top of a cliff looking out over [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► the jungle of this castle stone in the [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► distance that was epic when I was a [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► little kid and I'll go back and play it [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► now and I'm just like this this impress [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► the hell out of me but I could see [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► myself coming back to this game years [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► later and thinking this still is just as [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► gorgeous as it was the day that I first [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► played its really excellent what I find [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► potentially tragic about that is that [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► this game will only last in the form [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► that it does for as long as there's [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► still the technology for you to meet [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► other players on it you know like Dark [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► Souls and demon souls demon souls is [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► another PlayStation game that you know a [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► lot of the sort of anonymous [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► interactions with other players and you [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► will die here [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► yeah i mean the sum of the wasn't a [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► message is written on the ground so it [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► was just random people invading you or [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► jumping in to help you out and you [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► couldn't communicate with them verbally [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► but they would bow to you and there's a [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► whole system of gestures the fascinating [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► thing and then they shut down the [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► multiplayer servers so now you can only [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► play demon's soul single-player there's [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► dark souls but it kind of makes me [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► wonder I don't exactly know what what [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► hosting technique they're using for [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► journey but it kind of struck me as I [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► was walking up that hill like this is so [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► gorgeous i want to play this again and [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► again and again I wonder if when I'm [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► gonna lose the ability to actually walk [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► up to hell with somebody else will the [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► ps4 or whatever that is next obviate [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► this and and turn it into sort of an [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► ephemeral experience I felt the same way [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► about you guys playing months after came [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► out like all they're never gonna get the [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► experience when we are all stumpy little [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► red shirts like we're not us [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► that pattern on shore little scarves [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► like we used to have like and in my [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► first playthrough at a certain point my [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► partner and i were saw a glowing symbol [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► but we couldn't get to it because our [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► things for to stumpy because we hadn't [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► been collecting and we were trying to [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► sing to each other and jump [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► simultaneously like 123 like because [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► when you're talking about whether you [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► stay charged yeah sorts of its much you [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► know much harder he must have been a [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► game or two because we're like at this [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► point in the game like we know we need [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► to get longer scarves because the [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► challenges are actually getting a little [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► more challenge let's work together to do [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► it but how the hell do you communicate [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► that with the circle button and like [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► that experience that's not gonna happen [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► again because even like at this point [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► you go through there's always some good [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► with a scarf you know 20 miles long [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► hanging around and the white robes are [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► hanging around that's a different [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► experience [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► I'm Molly idea i mean i think it and it [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► took me a really long time even figure [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► out that scars could get longer and [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► again you too [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► I don't know if indicated like you [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► suggested all I i actually all of my [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► companions I had a longer scarf so yeah [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► I get for a while until i got eaten by [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► dre it i think it's mixing up now [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► because I just played one more game [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► before coming on here and I played as a [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► white robe and you get treated [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► differently as a white robe especially [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► my other by their white robes because in [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► general if you see some of the white [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► robe you know you're probably the arocs [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► trying to help a newbie out but I just [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► met other white robes and we hung out [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► and like talked with our little circle [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► button a little bit but we were all like [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► we're waiting for some from retro to [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► come in to help us out and it ever was [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► like hey doing yet what you know like [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► we're there to help the other guys there [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► weren't many other guys and you're on [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► your coffee break you're standing on the [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► water coolers hanging out jumping and [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► singing waiting for the noobs the white [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► robes are there they're scarf recharges [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► as soon as I touch the ground so you [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► don't have to [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► who's the new guy the reason i thought [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► there wasn't getting is because I ran [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► into one of those white white robes in [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► my second game [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► yeah well the guys they get the [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► Companions I ran into most of the time [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► we had like a little bit around like the [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► hem of their garment like a little bit [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► yellow like and and I couldn't inform me [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► that means one playthrough is right and [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► i wondered for a while whether it meant [TS]

00:47:46 ◼   ► oh that's just there to totally [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► distinguish because i never saw anybody [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► wearing the same robe is music oh maybe [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► that's just the other player and how [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► they show [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► up whenever they come in but it was such [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► a weird like difference of I felt the [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► relationships kept shifting and part of [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► that was you know it was different [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► people over time but also sometimes [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► would be like oh we're kind of working [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► together and and sometimes it would be [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► more like oh you're doing a thing over [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► there you know what I'm gonna skin to [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► keep going and see what happens but the [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► the end and I think we sort of it's been [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► alluded to a couple times when you're [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► climbing up the mountain [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► I there was a guy just a little bit [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► ahead of me and I was trying to catch up [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► with him thinking oh man i can get warm [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► i can warm them up i can get really [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► close to them and then I saw him like [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► fall down to his knees [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► no get up get up and then I got up there [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► and I'm like trying to like warm them up [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► and then I fall down like now go get out [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► what did you what did you think at that [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► point I was trying was so that I thought [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► we both die on Twitter one of our one of [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► our listeners Steve block said having a [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► companion struggle with me through the [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► snow was I think one of the most [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► important things about journey and I [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► agree that that was an incredibly [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► memorable thing that it wasn't just me [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► on that mountain that sheer Mountain [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► cliff that there was this guy who is [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► struggling right by right by my select [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► and then and then he went to his knees [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► and fell into the snow and then so did I [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► and it was very sad [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► I did it by myself I must let my [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► companion down you know it'sit's but [TS]

00:49:09 ◼   ► it's very different there could have [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► been someone right behind you [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► I kept looking behind I told you every [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► time I was alone I would turn and I [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► would you know it's like are they there [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► if I can see them all wait for them died [TS]

00:49:19 ◼   ► alone about of the man I kept looking [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► behind my shoulder and there was no one [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► there when i dropped into the snow i [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► thought to myself God if only that guy [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► who failed way back there in the [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► underground passages had survived to [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► this point he could have worn my ass up [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► but no no no I'm falling to my face in [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► the snow because that other guy was so [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► utterly incompetent [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► so did you all think that was the end of [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► the game and you have failed you died [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► there was a moment i live at that same [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► time I was also like yeah they're not [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► going to end like that but there was a [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► moment of like what I wonder if this [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► could have been done better [TS]

00:49:52 ◼   ► my gamer instincts were already telling [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► me gotten where's the last save so i can [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► go back and end this is definitely is [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► this is going to count against my [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► achievement [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► is there can be there can be going in [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► with gamer convention and there can be [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► like having too much of them like I [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► don't like the fact that achievement [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► things would appear on the screen i had [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► in the HD re-release of ecology plan to [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► disable them because i think it takes [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► you out of the game because there's [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► nothing like that in eco and journey the [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► same type of thing but like oh speaking [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► of game conventions that getting back [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► way back to the beginning to me this [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► game was screaming its conventions that [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► you but in gamer language like it would [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► be a you-know-what first takes you to [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► that person is press the X button right [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► that's pretty much screaming as far as [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► this game is concerned text appeared on [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► the screen not text was like I was doing [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► just showed the controller with X right [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► and then it you can control the camera [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► because it is a cutscene you walk into [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► the little circle you press the button [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► it shows your little scarf growing it [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► shows little things lighting up on like [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► it's trying to communicate your scarf X [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► button yellowing symbols press button [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► symbol like it is screaming the system [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► yet people way through almost the entire [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► game and not realize you have symbols [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► they glow when you press X button that [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► depletes then when you get a blowy ruin [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► simple your scarf it's longer like that [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► the fact that people can play this game [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► and not get that is crazy to me but it [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► just shows that like no matter how much [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► you get hit over the head with something [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► sometimes he was like the beginning of [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► the Godfather I believe in America right [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► and people watch the movie and like have [TS]

00:51:16 ◼   ► no idea what they were getting it right [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► the first mind the movie there's nothing [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► on the screen is black the glowing [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► symbols are easy to pick up i picked [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► that up immediately but the long long [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► scarf I don't think took a little while [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► zoomed in on it a bit or something but [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► it was not highlighted enough to me that [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► I even picked up on the first [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► playthrough I didn't even realize until [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► the second that there were guys walking [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► around with scarves that ran in fact you [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► know what the achievement i think was [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► the thing that tipped me off to it [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► because there's a achievement that is [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► get through the underground tunnel [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► without getting your scarf or i might to [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► this very day not even realize how small [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► and inconsequential my little scarf is [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► no i mean like this things like that [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► every level so for example the pattern [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► going up the hem of your thing that is [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► much more subtle but in general the game [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► communicates to you visually like a [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► movie would like so when the first [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► little dolphin thing as i call them you [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► free them like the game communicates you [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► with camera moves and the animation [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► saying hey follow me [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► these guys will take you somewhere maybe [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► you should follow them if and it and [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► if if you're tuned to like because they [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► really you think you have total camera [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► control but you don't again playing [TS]