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0:00:21the Intolerable podcast number 107
0:00:29September Atlanta
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0:00:35welcome back to being comfortable
0:00:36podcast I'm your host Jason Snell and
0:00:38tonight we are going to be discussing
0:00:40one of my favorite movies of all time
0:00:45it's true it is a fine film from 1982
0:00:50directed by Nicholas Meyer UMaine mostly
0:00:58know it for the the title the title
0:01:02character a fellow named god never was
0:01:10your head shaking and rages you always
0:01:12you made out of that because it almost
0:01:14needs my fists were shaking
0:01:15who yes I think I've i think i've blown
0:01:18out my microphone while shouting and
0:01:21your voice should be echoing in space
0:01:23right a dead moon it's it's very exactly
0:01:25con-con it started to the wrath of khan
0:01:29and joining me tonight to talk about
0:01:32this most excellent of Star Trek movies
0:01:35here on we are recording this on Khan
0:01:37Wednesday everybody's favorite chain
0:01:39restaurant
0:01:40Star Trek theme chain restaurant it's
0:01:41always wednesday con Wednesday are my
0:01:45fellow Star Trek fan Scott McNulty hi
0:01:49Scott
0:01:50hello jason i have been and always will
0:01:52be recording indeed also joining me is
0:01:57the great Steve let's hi Steve
0:01:59Oh was were you expecting the great
0:02:01Steve laughs I'm sorry better get off so
0:02:03we can write star trek in Babylon 5 or
0:02:05not in the same university i'm really
0:02:07looking forward to discussing star trek
0:02:09that like the excellent
0:02:10this is from the Babylon 5 extended
0:02:12start exactly right exactly right where
0:02:14it's from and joining me as somebody
0:02:16I've been talking to about this podcast
0:02:18since we before we started and he has
0:02:20not been on it until tonight he is a
0:02:24sci-fi fan extraordinaire and immobile
0:02:29analyst extraordinaire to he's a he's a
0:02:31lovely fellow and we're glad to finally
0:02:33have money and comfortable it's Michael
0:02:35Gartenberg hi your task me Jason let's
0:02:38ask me you task to task me and i shall
0:02:42happen is going to chase you around the
0:02:44flames of perdition
0:02:45yes and then some nebulae that was not
0:02:48in mobile
0:02:48dick which apparently they knew about in
0:02:501996 this is not a subtle there's a lot
0:02:57of depth and yeah they're actually
0:02:59they're there is some subtlety in it but
0:03:01there is also some not subtlety in it so
0:03:03I let's get started in the great
0:03:06tradition of incomparable movie episodes
0:03:08i was going to die i suppose first even
0:03:11though John Syracuse's and here i should
0:03:12ask if anybody has any opening remarks
0:03:14but otherwise I thought we would just
0:03:15sort of walk through the movie
0:03:16chronologically and and see where that
0:03:18takes us because you know that that
0:03:21seems to be the most effective way to
0:03:23approach these movies and I have to say
0:03:24I I like John circular saw a lot but i
0:03:26am very glad he's not on this podcast
0:03:27yeah i love this movie
0:03:29I'm i continued not think this movie was
0:03:31not invited yes I I should probably
0:03:33point out that i am not here to bash
0:03:35this film I am NOT as you know a a up
0:03:39big-time star trek favorite you got a
0:03:41star trek good i I'm not filled with
0:03:44nostalgia for the TV show but and in
0:03:47fact i just saw this film for the first
0:03:49time last week are you seriously and i
0:03:52watched it for a second time this week I
0:03:54but I'm not here to bash a classic film
0:03:59watch it like 90 more times and you'll
0:04:02catch up with me
0:04:03ya know I was I was I was not expecting
0:04:06much from this movie because the the
0:04:09star trek first-generation series always
0:04:13struck me as if fun but largely goofy
0:04:15and and then I watched this film and it
0:04:20turns out that it is fun but largely
0:04:22goofy sea and in the first time I was
0:04:25picking at it a bit but then I the
0:04:26second time i watched I just SAT back in
0:04:28Washington I have to admit once I did
0:04:30that I really enjoyed the movie a couple
0:04:33of years how I cannot believe that we
0:04:35found the only person in the world who
0:04:36had it before last we cannot see mr. two
0:04:39buddies yes well now having said that I
0:04:41i'm not sure i would place it even in
0:04:44the same quadrant as any of the Star
0:04:46Wars films from the original mm and and
0:04:49I know I knew you and you end and Scott
0:04:52have both said that you prefer this to
0:04:54empire is heavily yes indeed india also
0:04:57i come to this podcast in the hope that
0:05:00I may cultivate and understand
0:05:02ending of why don't some love well for
0:05:05one there were no he walks in it and I
0:05:07just felt I know I must be missing
0:05:09something because Jason I know to be a
0:05:12man of some refinement given his
0:05:14appreciation of a real genius not see
0:05:17there you go
0:05:17but it is interesting because this film
0:05:19came two years after Empire and I think
0:05:22there was a lot of influences way Empire
0:05:24was made in the way they made this film
0:05:25as opposed to star trek one which if you
0:05:28watch this film they just simply pretend
0:05:29they don't exist
0:05:31yeah yeah when when we were talking last
0:05:33week I think and wisely so we think you
0:05:36said well if we got at least mention the
0:05:38original Star Trek before we talk about
0:05:40star trek to because it was you know
0:05:42kind of ponderous and Estelle's yeah it
0:05:47was not really a very good movie it's
0:05:50like they try to do everything in that
0:05:52movie and so they did nothing and it was
0:05:55like the worst day off of the film ever
0:05:57they got to the end of that movie after
0:05:58sitting for three hours like what I
0:06:02still remember the ad campaign from that
0:06:04film which was plainly leaving the
0:06:06theater and and dumping their thoughts
0:06:09on camera and nobody could really think
0:06:12of what to say that in fact i just i
0:06:14still remember the young kid at the very
0:06:16end he just stares out into space and
0:06:18doesn't say anything for about three
0:06:20seconds and then the only thing you can
0:06:22say is fun
0:06:24yeah any quite know what to do with the
0:06:30franchise the franchise had been gone I
0:06:31mean don't have never done this before
0:06:32right I went off the air all of a sudden
0:06:35Star Wars is this popular thing and
0:06:37Roddenberry convinces this video let's
0:06:39do star trek again but now i can do with
0:06:41a big-budget special effects and you can
0:06:44see the influence of the first film of
0:06:45star wars star wars had a light speed
0:06:48jump and stow Star Trek's only had to a
0:06:50work jump but we're going to ours a
0:06:52color as opposed to the black-and-white
0:06:54wanted they traveled by rainbow
0:06:55yeah the absolutely it was it was
0:06:58totally there and you know 45 minutes of
0:07:01dots of the enterprise which think it
0:07:03was good because they reuse those shots
0:07:04like you know when the next five films
0:07:06they're building up the librarian stock
0:07:08photography yeah
0:07:09we got that's what it was but the thing
0:07:11is everything is so totally different in
0:07:14this film like this is the film that
0:07:15really should have started the franchise
0:07:19alright because it's got the characters
0:07:21right it's got character interaction and
0:07:23the characters were always the strength
0:07:24of the original series anyway and so to
0:07:26make it about the sort of special
0:07:27effects and and and have this kind of
0:07:30really long ponderous preachy kind of
0:07:32plot as opposed to in this where it's
0:07:34there's action and then there are some
0:07:36really nice character interactions and
0:07:38there's a you know there's a theme and
0:07:39there's a message but it's not it's not
0:07:42preachy and you know you're right it is
0:07:45this is the movie that was the movie
0:07:48that they should have made but they they
0:07:49didn't they took this kind of leftover
0:07:51TV episode and blew it up and yeah not
0:07:55so good but they create pretended that
0:07:58the first one didn't exist then you go
0:07:59right into the fact that uniforms are
0:08:01different the ship is different i think
0:08:03this is like only don't think it's the
0:08:05same is kirk is an admiral and isn't it
0:08:09basically the same opening I mean I seem
0:08:11to recall i remember the first well but
0:08:13i remember that the they were they were
0:08:16wandering up to the newly go up to the
0:08:17new ship and both of them and a lot of
0:08:19the stuff that it thats instructor to is
0:08:21is effect scenes from from Star Trek one
0:08:24so that part is the same but again they
0:08:25do it
0:08:26this is jumping a slightly ahead but
0:08:28they do it in like 30 seconds in this
0:08:29movie and then start to recommend motion
0:08:31pictures like 10 minutes but one thing
0:08:33but they were not planning to be on the
0:08:35enterprise in that first film where they
0:08:37have I thought they were retired in that
0:08:39film as well and then ended up just by
0:08:41virtue of something yes yes curtain both
0:08:43movies does take over for the actual
0:08:45captain right and then while the first
0:08:48in the first movie they were sort of
0:08:49less subtle about that Curtis takes over
0:08:51and with that that will be open with
0:08:53like 20 minutes of Klingons being
0:08:55destroyed that's true that's true
0:08:56where's this movie begins with the the
0:09:00were thrown into the 23rd century and we
0:09:03don't know what we're looking at it
0:09:04looks like it's the bridge of the
0:09:05enterprise going into the neutral zone
0:09:07accept that some of our familiar friends
0:09:09are there but there's this girl with
0:09:11pointy ears who's who's in the captain's
0:09:13chair and and she manages to get the
0:09:16ship blown up girls equipment drivers no
0:09:20survivors were all
0:09:22here in that music and then you see
0:09:23Spock whore you see McCoy and soon
0:09:26actually wrote this down last night and
0:09:28then all of a sudden she turns rally the
0:09:30hell is sitting in that chair was some
0:09:34mystery is going on here
0:09:37corona I with you and so this is the
0:09:38first time I've watched this movie with
0:09:40a critical eye because usually i'm just
0:09:42basking in the glory that is star trek
0:09:44to date so I do you think about it too
0:09:46much but as I'm watching it so I know
0:09:48obviously what the first scene is right
0:09:50it's kasia peru we find out that you
0:09:53know it's there in a simulator and it's
0:09:55a no-win situation it sets up one of
0:09:57these great pieces of lower in the star
0:09:59trek universe right and we find out
0:10:01there's a payoff later on with the the
0:10:03whole Kobayashi Maru thing but as I'm
0:10:05watching it so it's a training exercise
0:10:06and I think why do they have these
0:10:09experience to office alright playing
0:10:12along in this training exercise it makes
0:10:14no sense wouldn't it all be cadets yes
0:10:16well I guess presumably they're there
0:10:19because you think that they're going to
0:10:21give you some guidance right and then
0:10:22they're killed off in Reverse to whom
0:10:24McCoy spot they're all going and my
0:10:26question is who's wired the bridge
0:10:28yeah yeah there's a lot of pyrotechnics
0:10:30involved and and has no one yet put
0:10:33seatbelts on the enterprise they're the
0:10:35only ones with enough experience to
0:10:36reasonably throw themselves across the
0:10:39bridge in a convincing and Kirk seems
0:10:41quite upset about the fact that they he
0:10:43says they destroyed the bridge and and
0:10:46you with it like you know how dare you
0:10:48know you broke my ship will who wired
0:10:49this thing to explode when fake playing
0:10:52with fire fake torpedoes
0:10:54well if you remember in the first one
0:10:56they had seatbelt like the armrest sort
0:10:58of collapsed in their mysterious figure
0:11:00that was kind of stupid mistake and it
0:11:03is just roll of quarters roll across the
0:11:05floor that will shake the ship so any
0:11:07questions so the star trek to ever there
0:11:09was a rumor before it came out that spot
0:11:10was going to get killed so they put the
0:11:12scene in and killed Spock immediately in
0:11:14the first thing I uh okay he's not
0:11:16really its just faked out
0:11:18yeah he'll be fine but it but you know
0:11:19the first time you see you don't know
0:11:21that it's a simulation we don't know
0:11:22what's going on any open the door and
0:11:24you see kind of Kirk in that shadow that
0:11:26sell variants
0:11:28now we're now we're going to get some
0:11:30explanations to what's going on in his
0:11:32parallel universe but first you think
0:11:34it's God but then you think what does
0:11:35God need with this time for a hairpiece
0:11:38I Captain Kirk at the beginning aids
0:11:40it's really funny in the beginning of
0:11:42the movie he's he's kind of a a a jerk
0:11:46right he's like he does no sense of
0:11:48humor he he really kind of gives it to
0:11:51sonic when he comes in and says you know
0:11:54you you screwed this up and and McCoys
0:11:56making jokes and and he's not listening
0:11:58and he and he has a conversation with
0:12:02Spock that is not he accepts this case
0:12:05it's implied but it's never said
0:12:07outright this is like 50th birthday and
0:12:09he's feeling very old and washed up in
0:12:11his little Admirals Admirals job and and
0:12:14bone the same so you get the book from
0:12:17Spock and bones brings him
0:12:18antique glasses and booze in Romulan now
0:12:22but I thought that was great the scene
0:12:24with him and McCoy and those glasses
0:12:26it's me that's one of the best scenes in
0:12:28the film because this is about age this
0:12:30is about like these people that have
0:12:31grown old together and everyone else is
0:12:33kind of accepted their place in life
0:12:35except for Kirk and he's trying to deal
0:12:37with it you know got moping around the
0:12:39galaxies is that game for the young and
0:12:41I'm not doing that anymore
0:12:43and of course like that's not you are
0:12:46really the whole theme of this film is
0:12:47our journey through Kirk's midlife
0:12:50crisis
0:12:50oh yeah absolutely that's what this is
0:12:52in fact the final line of the film is I
0:12:55feel young
0:12:56what part what part of this with me was
0:12:58the young Kirk remember this is the guy
0:13:00who is the youngest Starfleet captain
0:13:03history who brought the enterprise back
0:13:05in a five-year mission without killing
0:13:06most of his crew he was a hero and now
0:13:09he's like this middle-aged guy and the
0:13:11rest of this build is him taking
0:13:12consequences for all of his actions and
0:13:15you know we look back at some of those
0:13:16actions like that was pretty stupid like
0:13:19you just left them on that planet just
0:13:21that they know like I found myself for
0:13:25the first time I was rooting for con
0:13:26last night have been out khan khan has a
0:13:29lot of issues but but it he's a jerk is
0:13:31not without blame right Kahn is a little
0:13:34peeved i watched space seed before i
0:13:36watch this for watch this I really did
0:13:39my homework
0:13:40I take this thing I did too and it's
0:13:43basically he's kind of not Michael guy
0:13:44you know Kirk brings my hibernation
0:13:46tries to kill you know take over the
0:13:48ship and you know in classic stuff that
0:13:50you don't think about when you're
0:13:51watching the show
0:13:52well I'll just remove removing you on
0:13:54this planet and you know we move along
0:13:56and this film sort of explores all those
0:13:58things we see that with his relationship
0:14:00with Carol Marcus we've never heard of
0:14:02before and you know all the exposition
0:14:05that they set up i think that see with
0:14:07mccoy really set up the best because
0:14:09those classes come into play
0:14:12I never noticed this before those
0:14:13classes come into play at three or four
0:14:14times throughout the film at critical
0:14:16moments and it's like whoever directed
0:14:19those scenes are great products chapter
0:14:21was middle-aged at that point he plays
0:14:24it really well
0:14:25yeah and the glasses of course make a
0:14:28cameo appearance in Star Trek for what
0:14:30he sells the glasses and of course like
0:14:32I gave you those as a present and of
0:14:33course
0:14:34Crixus the great things you're going to
0:14:36do it again it's right there in a time
0:14:37loop
0:14:38I kind of like to forget about Star
0:14:41Trek's 34
0:14:42well I think what I I think I don't get
0:14:43too i believe that but that's another
0:14:45story
0:14:46I don't know you and so I watch star
0:14:48trek 3 and it made me because I blocked
0:14:51my memory and it made me remember that
0:14:53two three and four are really just one
0:14:55long story that's the kind of yeah if
0:14:57you watch them all together it's kind of
0:14:59neat and then there's five yeah I don't
0:15:01know no other thing that struck me about
0:15:06this was recorded about the body is so
0:15:09great because in the first series don't
0:15:11know who this guy was
0:15:12and then this guy want to be associated
0:15:13with your car in fee and leather he was
0:15:15mr. Arcon Fantasy Island gotten anything
0:15:18like that and you see him in this thing
0:15:20and all of scenes cop I'm yeah oh yeah
0:15:22harder much about what Ricardo Montalban
0:15:24please this like a real actor as good as
0:15:28Montalban is though and i do not deny
0:15:31that he is fantastic in this when they
0:15:34made the space seed episode could they
0:15:36not find an East Indian actually
0:15:37addition to yeah yeah well I mean this
0:15:39was you know let's face this fix these
0:15:41weak ass to everybody with people that
0:15:43wasn't a white guy i mean if we gotta
0:15:45get you on a white guy is that close
0:15:47enough yeah that's closer it almost
0:15:48works in the TV episodes got these are
0:15:50the olive complexion as the long black
0:15:52hair
0:15:53in the movie with his with his hair
0:15:54silver and is his chest of soft
0:15:56Corinthian leather he doesn't look
0:15:58Indian any longer
0:15:59yeah I think they gave up on the whole
0:16:01Indian line he was just a superhuman you
0:16:03know superhuman East Indians had a
0:16:05different look than anyhow ninety 90
0:16:07seconds genetically engineered to look
0:16:09split look mexican in the far future of
0:16:12manned sound six the nineties were
0:16:14different today was a very different
0:16:15time for genetic engineering sleeper
0:16:17ships with cryogenic you the eugenics
0:16:20wars it was crazy it was it was a wild
0:16:21time and I was also another great idea
0:16:23lets us know these people and it's been
0:16:25damaged basis would have yeah someone
0:16:28else probably happiness every step of
0:16:29the problem at to someone else later
0:16:32lead and it happens again right that's
0:16:34all content forget since they just like
0:16:36stick him somewhere else until he
0:16:37escapes again it's a bad idea is there
0:16:39any reason this man is more than a
0:16:41little bit grumpy
0:16:42yeah we met was he put on the sleeper
0:16:44ship or what did he put him no no he was
0:16:47thinking assumption was always that he
0:16:48escaped yet flat again he fled exactly
0:16:51right they were going to get him so he
0:16:53took off thats that's right in space
0:16:55seed so um I let's see I i want to go
0:17:00from from Kirk's birthday though the
0:17:02saddest birthday party ever
0:17:04well there's some Romulan ale but other
0:17:06than that it's true and that the first
0:17:08time Robin L is mentioned and start yeah
0:17:09I had some Romulan ale at the star trek
0:17:11experience in Las Vegas it was beer that
0:17:13was colored blue Syria and and it wasn't
0:17:16particularly stronger now
0:17:17no but had blue food color which me
0:17:19makes you wonder why how hard was it to
0:17:21smuggle the stuff like is it like
0:17:22alcohol in the 23rd century just like
0:17:24really really blue from the blue food
0:17:26coloring that's hard to get your hands
0:17:27up
0:17:27well synthehol so you know nobody wants
0:17:29exactly so drunk so we cut to a starship
0:17:32reliant which has got a recognizable
0:17:34face in mr. check off and if you're a
0:17:37fan of the original series you'll
0:17:39actually see that the transporter room
0:17:41guide mr. Kyle from the original series
0:17:43is one of the bridge officers on the
0:17:44Reliant which is just random random
0:17:46little tidbit to Darmok and and Captain
0:17:50Darmok is on this but one of the things
0:17:52that's really funny as they make this
0:17:53call to Carol Marcus who we first meet
0:17:56here who becomes a very important part
0:17:57of this movie to talk about in one of my
0:18:00favorite lines in this movie checkup
0:18:02says doesn't have to be completely
0:18:03lifeless
0:18:05and i find that funny because I mean the
0:18:07assumption here is that these guys have
0:18:09gone from planet to planet throughout
0:18:10the known galaxy and every planet has
0:18:12life on it which if you think about like
0:18:14modern scientific knowledge this is not
0:18:16very likely in fact it's probably much
0:18:18less likely that and that there are very
0:18:21rare plant planets with life right any
0:18:23given mode should work as a matter of
0:18:25fact exactly the the little space
0:18:27station is orbiting at a lifeless movie
0:18:29right well they were a little bit
0:18:31concerned about the nanoparticle current
0:18:33and it because you never know when you
0:18:34might find a particle of proto matter
0:18:36and maybe it's the words in the sensors
0:18:38it's screwed up but there's two big
0:18:40metal cargo containers and like a dozen
0:18:42super engineered humans down on the
0:18:44planet and their sensors and fun get
0:18:47nothing but there's not i don't know
0:18:49what's good and more importantly is
0:18:51every starship not commanded by Kirk you
0:18:54know run by an idiot go back to go back
0:18:57to every episode i'm doing dr. are just
0:19:00these these guys like bozos I mean no
0:19:02wonder Kirk was the youngest starship
0:19:04captain because I everyone else
0:19:05Starfleet Academy there's a recruitment
0:19:06problem but Starfleet mike seemed like
0:19:08he was competent but he was he was
0:19:10immediately thrown aside yeah but I like
0:19:13that see because you know the Federation
0:19:14and Starfleet officers are always like
0:19:16oh we're all professional and we want to
0:19:18do a great job and in this scene they're
0:19:19kinda like does it really have to be
0:19:21things we like it was just kidding baby
0:19:23plan that we budget a bit it's close to
0:19:25home
0:19:26come on come on with a little microbe or
0:19:29two between friends dr. marks private us
0:19:32a little bit crazy
0:19:33yeah yeah they don't seem really
0:19:35thrilled with this man isn't the whole
0:19:37idea of transplanting whatever it is
0:19:39kind of against the the prime directive
0:19:41well that's funny though because then
0:19:43they cut to Carol Marcus and she's like
0:19:44well let me get this straight
0:19:45it seems when transplanted like yes well
0:19:49I don't know that she hangs up and and
0:19:51immediately we get that we get that was
0:19:53really funny line where where her son
0:19:55says it's like a boy scout you you dated
0:19:58and she's like look Jim Kirk was many
0:20:00things but he was never a boy scout
0:20:02which is a great line
0:20:04let's do a little work for saturday just
0:20:06a little our out its ok and then having
0:20:08not seen this film I have to say that I
0:20:09immediately said oh sorry yeah yeah i
0:20:13mean everyone everyone who's ever seen
0:20:14that movie back exactly right in spite
0:20:17of in spite of the misdirection that
0:20:19they attempt to pull by giving him that
0:20:20righteous person yeah yeah which matches
0:20:23the curls in shadows to pay so so so
0:20:28then we go to study alpha 5 which is a
0:20:30sound stage with like a optical print of
0:20:32like extra sand blowing and its really
0:20:34fake no no that's Teddy office six so
0:20:37this is Ceti alpha 5 which is my
0:20:42favorite line in the movie and my i was
0:20:44saying it over and over again tonight my
0:20:46wife is like you are more on the hood
0:20:48doesn't have to be able to which i
0:20:50replied this is the album
0:20:51yeah although there's the scene where it
0:20:55is there's some really nice creepy bits
0:20:57in here and I like the scene where they
0:20:58go into the cargo containers and they're
0:21:00like what the hell is this
0:21:01in fact i think i think captain Darmok
0:21:04says what the hell is this like twice in
0:21:06a row he does he does what the hell is
0:21:08this and then check off sees the Botany
0:21:10Bay logo you know get your own in the
0:21:13gift shop Botany Bay thing goes on no
0:21:16blood me bay and and and they run
0:21:19outside so that's kind of creepy and
0:21:21then right where they are immediately
0:21:22unexpectedly presented with the
0:21:23polyphonic spree which I thought was
0:21:25strange in 98 do this is so bizarre for
0:21:29couple of things first of all they do
0:21:30that pan over the bookshop because
0:21:32you've got to see this copy of Moby Dick
0:21:34that right yes and King Lear again we're
0:21:35going to foreshadow just a little bit
0:21:37arm but then they go outside they see
0:21:40these people on my first reaction is why
0:21:42aren't they calling the ship it back as
0:21:43soon as they see the botany they want to
0:21:44getting the hell out of there don't they
0:21:46have phasers that communicators they're
0:21:49not they're not just a bunch of people
0:21:50they're not making any threats Adam they
0:21:51don't appear to have any weapons like
0:21:53it's never quite clear what they're
0:21:55doing other than driving the pot forward
0:21:57and in the perennial star trek question
0:22:00why to the captain and the first officer
0:22:03beam-down themselves to this planet
0:22:06well they don't think there's anything
0:22:06down there they just want to find
0:22:08something to transplant right they're
0:22:09lazy and still why wouldn't you say the
0:22:11Science Officer yeah it's true as soon
0:22:12as they see the cargo container you
0:22:14would think that maybe they call in
0:22:16backup or but they don't they don't have
0:22:18Saavik to to quote regulations at them
0:22:20or else they probably would
0:22:22is there is one place that can be down
0:22:23to and get his communicator control and
0:22:26then but they leave there and they can
0:22:27it doesn't really make it why wouldn't
0:22:29they just be like all know Botany Bay
0:22:31no check off too reliant get us out of
0:22:33here let's get out the shower i have a
0:22:35simpler explanation
0:22:36this is not the a team of stark know
0:22:38these guys are on the Reliant looking
0:22:40for dead for different roles is probably
0:22:44you know we're not trusting these guys
0:22:46to actually go out into the neutral zone
0:22:48you don't want to exploring sinking
0:22:50strange new worlds new life new symbols
0:22:52that nobody wanted to find dead and you
0:22:54can work for the Genesis people just
0:22:55there right now whatever now right no
0:22:57first contact for you that there is true
0:22:59that when they stay they show the
0:23:01Reliant bridge and the two crew members
0:23:02are concerned they're they're hailing
0:23:04accountant
0:23:05what should be the ones which we do AG
0:23:08give it a little shit sometime i'm sure
0:23:11you could find it
0:23:12yeah this is something on TV we can
0:23:15watch your exactly and they never even
0:23:17show them taking over the room because
0:23:19they don't have to because these people
0:23:20just like you know we surrender yeah
0:23:21we're not going to network we're not
0:23:24going to audition we're getting else no
0:23:25self-destruct nothing we go out they go
0:23:28outside of the cargo containers in there
0:23:30they're all standing in the desert there
0:23:32but the show up on sensors and they
0:23:33bring Matt back inside and we know that
0:23:35it's constant his bookshelf where he's
0:23:37he's got a photographic memory and he
0:23:39only has five books and he's been
0:23:40married for 15 years so he's cranky and
0:23:42he didn't quote every and when I missed
0:23:44some sort of regulation yeah it's not
0:23:46very no I mean this is why he's so mad
0:23:47at Kirk is that correct left with like
0:23:49five books for for for all eternity and
0:23:52I don't make me mad too
0:23:53it's like give me a kid no candles no
0:23:55Tigers in the 23rd century it's one of
0:23:58those other times one of those books
0:23:59have been feed Jason yellowboy of Kirk
0:24:02so right can we just say that content a
0:24:06few years to think on this city was used
0:24:09about it a little bit i'm doing it so
0:24:11there's some shots in the in the cargo
0:24:13containers the scene of cons people and
0:24:16first off there's not sure if there's
0:24:18not very many of them it's it's it's not
0:24:20a big cast and they're all like 18 year
0:24:23old blonde white people right con seems
0:24:26to rule a largely headband and multiple
0:24:28yet so which is weird because he's this
0:24:30he's this eugenic Lee you know you know
0:24:33Superman from India and yet he's got
0:24:36like a bunch of suburban teenagers
0:24:38following him
0:24:40it's it's it very weird i don't really
0:24:42understand that
0:24:43the casting of that it doesn't i
0:24:45expected that to be a you know a more
0:24:48ethnically diverse and probably like age
0:24:50diverse group unless the implication
0:24:52there is that the kids were the only
0:24:54ones who survived and all the older
0:24:56people got heels in their heads except
0:24:58for con I don't know I i seem to recall
0:25:00though in space seed it was also a
0:25:02similarly not averse crowd maybe that
0:25:05says well I mean the enterprise itself
0:25:07wasn't exactly what we call racially
0:25:09diverse you know what actually the Jason
0:25:10most of them or from various ethnic
0:25:13backgrounds but the whole genetic
0:25:15engineering thing
0:25:16oh I see it turned a Mexican into an
0:25:18indie I see if it's what i mean but they
0:25:21got more than 15 years ago and these
0:25:22people were like 19 so did con have a
0:25:24was the secret of conscious that most of
0:25:26the people who were frozen in it were
0:25:28like four-year-olds was this like on
0:25:30daycare and it's interesting he did aged
0:25:32quite a bit and nobody else appeared to
0:25:34ya anyway I are that start putting its
0:25:37there's a possibility that they are they
0:25:40they are the offspring of khan and his
0:25:42wife they could all be his babies having
0:25:45babies
0:25:45Tom Jim Henson's cotton panties so
0:25:49here's the thing we talked about how
0:25:51good you know multiple bond he does lots
0:25:53of lots of shouting and and great
0:25:56over-the-top stuff but there-there is he
0:25:58shows a little restraint very few places
0:26:01in this movie but early on in this movie
0:26:03he showed some great restraint that
0:26:05right at the beginning when uh when maze
0:26:09today I demand to know the meaning of
0:26:10this and he has these create initial
0:26:12lines which is you know you're in a
0:26:14position to demand nothing and then he
0:26:16starts sighs and says I am in a position
0:26:18to grant nothing un un it's it's he
0:26:21could have he could chew the scenery
0:26:23with outline to and what I like about
0:26:25that is that that's that moment when you
0:26:27realize you know the ego that he has his
0:26:30frustration at having been beaten and
0:26:32been stewing about it for 15 years and
0:26:34you know he's going to explode but it's
0:26:36that it's a nice moment where you just
0:26:39know he's he's a he's he's building up
0:26:44his anger he's ready to explode yeah
0:26:45Montalban hasn't you know he's not going
0:26:47to go over the top two in order to
0:26:48explode you first have to have to dial
0:26:51it down a little bit so you have some
0:26:52range and it's a nice moment where you
0:26:53just send his frustration it's like you
0:26:55know I I think so highly of me
0:26:57self but I got nothing here this is
0:26:59we've been living out of boxes for 15
0:27:01years
0:27:01that's the fuse hissing as the sparkle
0:27:03you have towards the body of the this is
0:27:06setting out 45 but I looked at that
0:27:09scene and i said and i have one you
0:27:11choose like no he's not he's got mad and
0:27:14and now he's like you could see the
0:27:16wheels spinning like he's putting his
0:27:17plan into action by I he's got something
0:27:22here I was trying to figure out what
0:27:23he's got and and how can he play it to
0:27:25his advantage and you see it when he
0:27:27says you know and check out those no
0:27:29captain kirk captain because that
0:27:32Admiral Curtis but that they promoted
0:27:36that bone tries out all of the potential
0:27:40life stress points all pronunciations
0:27:43yes add mirror at mirror rah Commodore
0:27:49no ad marrow Admiral Kirk never bothered
0:27:53to check our progress and that's when
0:27:55you start thinking about ya was that
0:27:57list or idea current good
0:27:59oh maybe not you know making a note of
0:28:01it somewhere in a log
0:28:03just so y'all know yeah maybe the rest
0:28:05of the federal check on them send
0:28:07someone out that now they just went
0:28:08about their merry way that was what they
0:28:10done anyway and then I started thinking
0:28:11wow how many planets that these guys
0:28:13drop how many civilizations because they
0:28:16just did stuff and said not our problem
0:28:18anymore you know wow we're destroying
0:28:21civilization and their God in their
0:28:23culture and now we're just going to move
0:28:24right along
0:28:25true but and you would think so check
0:28:27off was there well he wasn't actually
0:28:28there in the original show right right
0:28:30you would the in this movie he
0:28:32apparently was there because a con
0:28:34recognizes him and so you would think
0:28:37hey we are in this system i happen to
0:28:40know who that we ruin these people at
0:28:42city of 45 so while we're checking the
0:28:44lifeless Ceti alpha six maybe mission
0:28:46structure for that they're still there
0:28:48just drop by and see how cons doing at
0:28:52that party will just bought me a big pot
0:28:53and you down the planets count the
0:28:56planets a planet is missing
0:28:58huh let's check closer huh the the
0:29:01carpets are a little bit wrong the
0:29:03missing planet shouldn't and that's when
0:29:05I think there's a line
0:29:06message on the screen a little alert
0:29:08comes up a dialog box on the screen of
0:29:10the Reliant that says recent things that
0:29:13have happened in this system khan was
0:29:15marooned here what it was disturbed by
0:29:19it
0:29:20planet exploded hurt never bother filing
0:29:23a report with the Federation he was
0:29:24never big on pillow it just never got
0:29:27this area you mentioned it is Captain's
0:29:29Log though I yeah at the end he
0:29:31mentioned something about con reject the
0:29:34captain at the captain's log with
0:29:35Russian yeah I just like the best part
0:29:38when I saw this in the theaters and
0:29:39condos
0:29:40I know you like 10 people in the
0:29:41audience go no you don't you worn in
0:29:43space down in the depths of the shipment
0:29:47something in 1982 when you could get
0:29:49netflix it did it was serious
0:29:51I mean these people weren't absolutely
0:29:52serious and I'm gonna accuse in that
0:29:55Nicholas II know you guys really didn't
0:29:57know each other or at that point checkup
0:29:59was already showing his potential and
0:30:00was like swabbing decks on the
0:30:02enterprise no gearing him up his future
0:30:04work on the remaining like 15 years
0:30:05that's not yet with the monkeys haircut
0:30:09yeah so so we shift gears from study of
0:30:1245 to go back to the what we talked
0:30:14about their we get the flyby of the
0:30:15enterprise which shows a little bit of
0:30:17restraint not coming because before you
0:30:19get to that right at you get that really
0:30:21gross scene they cut the Kirk and he's
0:30:24sitting there with his reading glasses
0:30:25on the shuttle yes totally
0:30:27and i love that right the rest of the
0:30:29world is about to explode and he's
0:30:31sitting there with those granny glasses
0:30:33on trying to read as a lot of these
0:30:34newspapers they're flying up there and
0:30:36it's like to me it was like great like
0:30:38his world is about to fall apart yeah
0:30:40the transition starts with the with Khan
0:30:43saying where can I find James Kirk and
0:30:46they got away to Kirk in the shuttle and
0:30:48it looks for all the world like he's
0:30:49sitting on the can
0:30:50yeah reading the paper he's a book with
0:30:53his pants down again I'm gonna sit there
0:30:56smoking jacket on you know but not some
0:30:58Klingon opera rod
0:30:59just chilling out exactly what else I
0:31:02also I i have a whole line here that I'm
0:31:04not gonna get into too much about i'm
0:31:05not convinced about the set eels biology
0:31:08why wasn't that it was the only animal
0:31:09on the entire planet who survived why
0:31:11does it keep the young between its
0:31:12spines what is the motivation to crawl
0:31:15into a near why does it crawl out of
0:31:17Chekhov's here at the end I don't really
0:31:19understand that is puzzling that was
0:31:21yeah that was a big is it not a hundred
0:31:22percent fatal maybe sometimes they
0:31:24decide to leave
0:31:25other times they don't wanna kill you I
0:31:27don't know it's a peculiar animal is all
0:31:30I'm saying lied about that part
0:31:31yes he didn't he didn't do a survey of
0:31:34the planet to find out whether other
0:31:35animals had survived liar he just
0:31:38assumed that might have been what what
0:31:41they were out doing when check off and
0:31:42and the other captain arrived
0:31:44well you know this is another one of
0:31:46those worlds within its higher you know
0:31:48just mono climate yeah it's the desert
0:31:50well it used to have more climates but
0:31:52but then then another planet exploded
0:31:54inexplicably night there was life you
0:31:56would given a fair chance this is
0:31:59setting out for Scott is that good I
0:32:04just going to keep doing that because i
0:32:05know i'm just-just kit is good yeah that
0:32:08you've ruined us all you've ruined it
0:32:09for all of our lives and family members
0:32:11best scenes and the court cases answer
0:32:13to any question
0:32:15ok so they get to get on the ship and
0:32:17Kirk keeps walking around with that book
0:32:21under his arm to throughout this which I
0:32:23occasionally I will find myself
0:32:24somewhere with a book under my arm and I
0:32:26and i get i get all tense I'm like I'm
0:32:29like Captain Kirk now I gotta book under
0:32:31my arm it's very strange and and they
0:32:35get on the bridge and there's this the
0:32:36funny moment where spot gets out of the
0:32:38chair and basically says his sonic how
0:32:40many times you piloted ship out of space
0:32:41to actually well I've never done it like
0:32:43to do it take it out and then and then
0:32:45Kirk and McCoy you're like holy cow what
0:32:47Scott was back spark you drive the ship
0:32:50don't I love the bones line there to
0:32:52which you like right click here and and
0:32:55the looks on their faces are so volatile
0:32:57yeah you know a horrible and it's like
0:33:00using your kid out to drive for the
0:33:01first time you're standing in you know
0:33:04the passenger seat you kind of have your
0:33:05foot on an invisible break
0:33:07trust me about that what I'm looking at
0:33:09is how difficult is it to take the ship
0:33:11out of stock involved
0:33:13basically saying the following things
0:33:14after oscars just one quarter and more
0:33:16word that's ahead step grandmother said
0:33:19warp nine
0:33:20well having now seen galaxy quest i know
0:33:22that it's harder than if you crash don't
0:33:24blame Sulu at that point of lines
0:33:26I mean soon what did you do I just said
0:33:28forward why did you left I I didn't say
0:33:31that spirit is their manual transmission
0:33:34on the enterprise that I don't know what
0:33:36what's nice about it is it it put Spock
0:33:39in his role as a teacher right Kirk is
0:33:42uncomfortable because Kirk wants to be
0:33:44in the chair he wants to be in command
0:33:47Spock doesn't need to be in the chair he
0:33:49and he says this again later
0:33:51he's he's here to teach her and make
0:33:53give her that the first experience of
0:33:55piloting the ship because she's his you
0:33:58know officer that he's grooming for for
0:34:00promotion and leadership and that's why
0:34:03Spock is here and that's that's the
0:34:04difference between Kirk and Spock is
0:34:05kirk is the man of action
0:34:07he wants to be in the chair giving
0:34:08commands and Spock doesn't need it he's
0:34:10just here to have his students learn so
0:34:13but in this scene though it almost seems
0:34:15like although it would be entirely
0:34:16illogical that he's kind of dorky and
0:34:18with Kirk because he sees him come in oh
0:34:20yeah
0:34:20his eyebrow go up notices that card box
0:34:22and this is true then does he have
0:34:24static come and take the Conn well yeah
0:34:26but i think i think Spock throughout
0:34:28these things is trying to teach calculus
0:34:30incur keep saying you know is denying
0:34:32himself and said throughout this movie
0:34:34spot keeps trying to say look you know
0:34:35what you may be middle-aged but this is
0:34:37who you are you going to do this until
0:34:39you die yeah so stop sitting there
0:34:41pushing paper and I think he doesn't
0:34:43intentionally just drive Kirk a little
0:34:44bit crazy you know that the HU and that
0:34:46should be you in that chair you you and
0:34:47I both know you should be sitting there
0:34:49not her and I'm gonna have her dry
0:34:51yeah now see that is entirely logical
0:34:53good work you go sit in the back in and
0:34:55put your glasses on and read a book
0:34:56called a Lincoln she's gonna say the
0:34:59sentences that makes this Bashir move
0:35:01yeah she's gonna tell he's gonna tell
0:35:03Sulu to press the button because of our
0:35:05head half a good job so then that
0:35:09there's a there's a really nice scene
0:35:11that win in the in the turbolift where
0:35:15Kirk goes into the elevator and and and
0:35:19he runs into sabic and she's got her
0:35:22hair different her hair's down and she's
0:35:23wearing like this kind of regulation
0:35:25Starfleet
0:35:26bath robe or something it's her straight
0:35:28and and as a kid watching this on VHS
0:35:32this scene was a couple of single shots
0:35:36back and forth as they talk and then I
0:35:38got the DVD in its letter box and it
0:35:40turns out that the way they did this and
0:35:42the DVD is it's a it's a single shot so
0:35:44they they entered the turbolift in the
0:35:46doors closed and there in one and by the
0:35:48end of the scene they open again and
0:35:49they're in someplace else so they've
0:35:51obviously been like moving the set
0:35:52around and the VHS version completely
0:35:54ruins it by cutting back and forth but
0:35:56what's cool about it is you know Kirk
0:35:59ass about her hair and all of that which
0:36:01is just kind of random and and and then
0:36:04she asked about the Kobayashi Maru and
0:36:05he he completely evades her and then she
0:36:10leaves and and McCoy comes in and set
0:36:13and does the question we always ask
0:36:14who's been holding up the damn elevator
0:36:16right because they pause these elevators
0:36:18all the time and it's like how many
0:36:20backup elevators Union and the
0:36:21enterprise for people have conversations
0:36:22like meetings are held in the elevators
0:36:24and bone says like what the hell i'm
0:36:27waiting for an elevator here she leaves
0:36:28he comes in and then alignment kills me
0:36:31and I just I love it for what it says
0:36:33about bones and what it says about
0:36:34courtesies it did she change her hair
0:36:36and purchase i didn't notice wire first
0:36:40and you know he noticed because she at
0:36:41one point she goes for the button and he
0:36:43actually flinches only pulls away
0:36:45oh yeah oh my god what's going on well
0:36:48just freaking out because it's sort of
0:36:50like an intern being alone with you know
0:36:51Bill Clinton and it's sort of like you
0:36:53know its regulations are haha wow I'm
0:36:57dressed properly a nice podcast and told
0:36:59her about Kirk I think that's very
0:37:01clearly he's done that so then Carol
0:37:03Marcus comes up and that's actually a
0:37:04really nice moment where bones like low
0:37:07Carol Marcus ah and perk just gets
0:37:09really pissed off and and and and bones
0:37:11like sorry I you know geez I didn't
0:37:14sensitive there but it's I i really love
0:37:16that scene because there's so much going
0:37:17on it this would be a good time probably
0:37:19to point out how crucial bones at home
0:37:21and enjoyment of Star Trek problem and
0:37:23well he said such a great Harry during
0:37:25his his delivery is fantastic he always
0:37:27gets the best yawns it's the
0:37:30cantankerous bastard is probably my
0:37:32all-time favorite archetype and and I
0:37:35don't think before anybody has done it
0:37:36better than the forest Kelly in any TV
0:37:39show that I can anytime
0:37:40anything is being taken too seriously
0:37:41you get bones in there in these needling
0:37:44people and it doesn't matter who you can
0:37:46needle kirky needle Spock hehe will
0:37:48question the whole premise of something
0:37:50just because he's cranky
0:37:52it's great he is such a great goes well
0:37:55there's a couple of great moments and
0:37:57where we're not we're not quite there
0:37:58yet there's one great line when they're
0:38:02actually you know later on Spock says
0:38:05then they are leaving its boxes be
0:38:07careful Jim before he goes we will like
0:38:10the classic of between India are these
0:38:14are three people that have you know
0:38:15grown older together they've been
0:38:17through a lot together and you know that
0:38:20they're just trying to help them get
0:38:21through this midlife crisis and
0:38:23fortunately there was a little crisis up
0:38:26the universe coming longer to help this
0:38:29yeah yeah absolutely it's everything
0:38:31that that interaction the character
0:38:33interaction is is one of the things that
0:38:35makes the movie so much fun
0:38:38so the next scene is we cut away to
0:38:42space station regular one and at the end
0:38:45the one seat scene where it's not just
0:38:47sort of Carol and David but that you've
0:38:49got like five or six other members of
0:38:51the science team there and I just wanted
0:38:54to mention that because they don't
0:38:56really you know until they're dead
0:38:57bodies are hanging upside down you don't
0:38:59really see much of them and I feel like
0:39:01there's an entire other movie here that
0:39:04we don't see which is the story of the
0:39:07science team that infants this amazing
0:39:10thing and they're working with the
0:39:11government to figure out where to deploy
0:39:13it and then the thing gets perverted and
0:39:15this you know the ship comes to take it
0:39:17away but it turns out there these crazy
0:39:19people who are like almost savage people
0:39:21who come out and they they they attack
0:39:23them and they're they're trying to buy
0:39:25time for the people to escape and that
0:39:27people are tortured but they don't give
0:39:28up the information just like this
0:39:30amazing other story about what happens
0:39:32to the science team and we don't see any
0:39:35of it right i mean we see them murmur
0:39:37what do you mean that they're coming to
0:39:39get our thing and then they're dead and
0:39:41and we don't see the rest of its absence
0:39:43but I think that's great because they
0:39:44did not spend a lot of time in this
0:39:46movie with stupid exposition there
0:39:48aren't a whole lot of long speeches if
0:39:50they made that today they would have
0:39:51added on
0:39:52another 40 minutes to tell that I'm sure
0:39:54but I want to need like that in me as a
0:39:56kid I read the read the novelization of
0:39:58this of this movie and there's a little
0:40:00bit more of character development of
0:40:01these guys and and I think about that
0:40:03every time I see them hanging upside
0:40:04down with their throats got it's like oh
0:40:06poor scientists they did you know
0:40:08because it's kind of a nice story they
0:40:09like they refused to answer common
0:40:11questions they buy time for them to get
0:40:13Genesis away but so there's that moment
0:40:15here where we were we see them getting
0:40:17upset that that Chekhov is said they're
0:40:19going to come take Genesis away and we
0:40:21know that bad things are gonna happen to
0:40:23this poor our friends in the in the
0:40:25science team and then you cut back to
0:40:27the enterprise and once again the
0:40:30enterprise's the only ship in the
0:40:31quadrant that can deal with a with a
0:40:33crisis absolutely no sense why would the
0:40:36enterprise be the only ship in the
0:40:37quadrant that has earth it has a very
0:40:40City headquarters of Starfleet doesn't
0:40:43make any sense i guess study alpha 5 is
0:40:44a back with this is Ceti alpha 5 and but
0:40:48not only that but don't they know the
0:40:49run line isn't that quadrants
0:40:51yeah it's true it's very close by so I I
0:40:54have a theory that it's not the only
0:40:56ship in the quadrant and it's really
0:40:57just Kirk being like it's Carol Marcus
0:40:59something's going on I want to take
0:41:00control of the ship anyway
0:41:02yeah we're the only ones really who are
0:41:04closed um really so I'm gonna take over
0:41:07now okay just let me know checkout is at
0:41:10the helm of the reliance so there's that
0:41:12they got a problem my sexy with Carol
0:41:14Marcus is great because it's where
0:41:15they're using AT&T to communicate so
0:41:17it's not under century 80s the franchise
0:41:20they can't keep a signal goes only one
0:41:21bar that regular one that's right one
0:41:23bar why it was right like talking on an
0:41:26iphone in your idea what you say I can't
0:41:28hello what up
0:41:31it was programmed by the same gun is
0:41:32auto pilot out of this big throughout
0:41:34their static to which is funny because
0:41:36now in a digital era there's no snow but
0:41:38it's like TV static like
0:41:41oh I could barely make you out let them
0:41:43eat static yes exactly right
0:41:46it's all it's all actually TV static but
0:41:48what is this static of which you speak
0:41:50let them eat MPEG artifacts haha that'll
0:41:54teach me
0:41:55let them eat skype interference but then
0:41:57you have a great scene with Kirk and
0:41:59Spock I think that's a fantastic see
0:42:00yes I always like seeing Spock's
0:42:02quarters because it looks for all the
0:42:03world like that the anteroom of a
0:42:05benihana expecting somebody to walk up
0:42:09and ask if you want to sit in the dining
0:42:11room or do you want tap on interesting
0:42:13interesting i did make an i made a note
0:42:16that says Spock's quarters kind of tacky
0:42:18yeah he's not into the material things
0:42:22he's just got a rug gonna thing hanging
0:42:25on the wall a dreamcatcher maybe range
0:42:28mirror made of pennies apparently yeah
0:42:30and I swear to God that mirror with all
0:42:32the lightbulbs my parents had that on
0:42:34their wall shop in 1984 yeah well most
0:42:39people don't know is that Spock really
0:42:41was a fan of nineteen seventies
0:42:43memorabilia and connected it yeah he's
0:42:46got a Fleetwood Mac Fleetwood Mac
0:42:47outside there's a lava lamp on his
0:42:48bedside table that I believe that cut on
0:42:51the internet you go it's only logical to
0:42:53Remember Who khan was in space seed but
0:42:55spock knew all about the lava lamp
0:42:57exactly that's correct this is this is
0:42:58the key scene that we're we're yes and
0:43:01actually I i would like to pair it with
0:43:03the scene that follows immediately which
0:43:04is where cons right-hand man
0:43:07yo Keem talks to him we can't you know
0:43:10cons right-hand man is you walk him
0:43:12yes lock in yes your walkie now I love n
0:43:15jus he does say it you said at the end
0:43:18he does said unlike some of the Star
0:43:19Wars characters that Dan and John talked
0:43:21about and they know them and they're
0:43:22only actually named that because of
0:43:24their action figure you're walking home
0:43:26is actually named in the in the movie
0:43:28it's justin scott he was in a bunch of
0:43:30TV shows in the eighties if you'd like
0:43:31to prefer to say that it's jason scott
0:43:33from like the Phoenix and other random
0:43:36shows that were on the eighties but
0:43:38anyway so no I'm okay with lockheed
0:43:40Milwaukee no always baby always be
0:43:42walking to me that what you notice i
0:43:44didn't know he was out of an issue or a
0:43:46bubble wrap or something at one point
0:43:48and that's how you knew his name no no
0:43:49that's the only reason anybody knew the
0:43:50lig 88 was exactly
0:43:52no no he's actually mentioned move
0:43:54unlike many of the Star Wars characters
0:43:55so we get the needs of the many and the
0:43:57needs of the few i have been and always
0:43:58shall be your friend but what really is
0:44:00great here is that Kirk is really
0:44:03apologetic right he's like well there's
0:44:04this thing and it's box-like take a ship
0:44:06and critics like no no I don't want the
0:44:09show
0:44:10no no you just drop me on the getting
0:44:12getting this year we just let me off
0:44:13drop me off in yourself responsible time
0:44:15time again you can command the ship full
0:44:17of trainees and nothing bad will happen
0:44:19to them yeah exactly right
0:44:22surely there were not be at an emergency
0:44:23of some kind that well well we forgot
0:44:26that scene when he meets body when they
0:44:29first get on there he goes over to one
0:44:31of the trainees you like what's your
0:44:32name and it's like I'm going he's dead
0:44:34shirt and apparently movie categorize
0:44:37guy at some point that guy is that I
0:44:39think in the novelization that was like
0:44:41studies it's actually think they shot
0:44:43scenes and and cut them and they're in
0:44:45the deleted scenes that is scotty's
0:44:47nephew and there's there's more about
0:44:49that makes it that much it actually is a
0:44:50very sad scene when he dies and Scotty
0:44:52said it doesn't really matter whether
0:44:54he's relative or not he's got he's just
0:44:55upset that he was doing his duty and me
0:44:58and he died there there is a certain set
0:45:00of logic that these not Scotty's nephew
0:45:02isn't why the hell is he bringing this
0:45:04one who guided the bridge instead of
0:45:05sickbay because he's loopy from the fee
0:45:08i mean is that they may be the place
0:45:11maybe well he was he was the only one
0:45:12that stayed at his post know what's
0:45:14going well everybody else bailed and so
0:45:16he was probably the one that was close
0:45:17at hand so Scotty could come and present
0:45:19him dramatically
0:45:20yeah yeah that's right here that's right
0:45:22that's the young kid in the war movie
0:45:23you know he's dead he's got seconds to
0:45:26show me that that's 23rd century this is
0:45:28the first they don't have any red shirts
0:45:30anymore they're all wearing red shirts
0:45:31we now have the white guys white
0:45:33jumpsuit guy white is the new red yeah
0:45:36so so I'm so I i like and one other
0:45:40thing that I noticed at in the scene
0:45:43where they enter and Spock is sitting
0:45:44there and maybe this is just common lore
0:45:46amongst the Star Trek fans but Spock is
0:45:49actually sitting there meditating with
0:45:51the live long and prosper hands going oh
0:45:54he's got it he's got his hands together
0:45:56and kind of a praying way but his
0:45:58fingers are separated
0:45:59live long and prosper style that's how
0:46:01they do it on Vulcan man and how they
0:46:03roll that is so so so this box has taken
0:46:08ship look I'm here as a teacher you know
0:46:10you should be in charge anyway and I
0:46:12want to get the counterpoint is with
0:46:15your welcome and con is your items like
0:46:18dude we got a ship or three
0:46:20we're not on the sand planet anymore we
0:46:22can go anywhere we want
0:46:23let's get out of here and cut his condo
0:46:26no I gotta get Kirk it doesn't matter of
0:46:29your high heat ask me that's I mean
0:46:32that's it you know
0:46:33easy and I said that's the point where
0:46:34Kirk becomes the white well right at
0:46:36that scene yeah and you know these guys
0:46:38are just too loyal to him and they're
0:46:40not going to say no but you can think on
0:46:42my god this you know he's lost it
0:46:44we could be out of here we got the
0:46:46remaining because we captured the
0:46:48dumbest ruined in the Federation yeah
0:46:50what do we need this work and he'll try
0:46:52that again
0:46:53no we're going to see that movie where
0:46:55he goes later and we got Genesis we got
0:46:58through a lot of what more do you want
0:47:00let's get out of here now what's
0:47:02interesting though is he does later
0:47:03actually listen to what
0:47:05joaquim says to him and he actually
0:47:07forget what the point is but oh when
0:47:11they're they're damaged and they're
0:47:12forced to pull away right
0:47:14he actually leaves us with your not so
0:47:15far gone that he won't listen to his is
0:47:17like whenever he fights first first the
0:47:19argument right now and he goes and goes
0:47:21you know commander is it that there is
0:47:23some degree you could see that he said
0:47:25some grip on reality but every so often
0:47:28he slips kind of back into that madness
0:47:32but right there is a thing there with
0:47:35the council on the advice that he's
0:47:37getting that's sort of when we get the
0:47:38sense that this is now personal this is
0:47:41no longer you know I you know that this
0:47:44is nuts the band of marauders he's after
0:47:46Admiral Kirk and I think the fact that
0:47:47he made Admirals but pushed him over the
0:47:49edge at marijuana that was it at at mira
0:47:53that just push them over it and Tamara
0:47:57at this point I made a note that is
0:48:00common is a little obsessed with Kirk
0:48:05analysis very good insight yes thank you
0:48:08agree agree how did you catch that it's
0:48:11subtle
0:48:12it's subtle most of us would have missed
0:48:13it it's true you have to really pay
0:48:15attention to pick up that subtlety of
0:48:17his performance is very cold you're
0:48:20walking City le Larry it is where i am a
0:48:23third watch you'll see it now i think
0:48:26around the 30 second time i got so the
0:48:28Genesis briefing room seemed the first
0:48:32major like CGI in a movie
0:48:34remember when retinal scans were science
0:48:36fiction so I i would have my notes say I
0:48:39get a retina scan of the doctor every
0:48:40year its there's a picture shows you top
0:48:44secret information
0:48:45yeah I think about that scene every time
0:48:47identify for retinal scan and it's like
0:48:50yeah it looks good
0:48:52come back next year but but it you know
0:48:55we don't have glaucoma
0:48:56yeah and this is where McCoy is again at
0:48:58his cranky best right which is like you
0:49:01green-blooded Vulcan this is bad spots
0:49:04like whatever and in Japanese and you
0:49:07know what I'm thinking I'm thinking this
0:49:09is a kickstarter video it is it is sure
0:49:12that's right it's the root cause up if
0:49:14you give us up if we get enough backers
0:49:16and frankly you know for 500 credits you
0:49:20will get my call planet of your own will
0:49:22take your visit the moon will just do
0:49:23something for you
0:49:24they really kind of blow it though
0:49:26because they talked up and how it's a
0:49:27life generating device but they don't
0:49:29make any mention at all of how it's
0:49:30apparently also a water and atmosphere
0:49:32generated and and son it creates a
0:49:35sun-times it does a lot of haha cool
0:49:38stuff even indoors it creates a son
0:49:41it's amazing it is it but I don't don't
0:49:43but no the Kickstarter like bonuses if
0:49:45you take it to 1 million credits then
0:49:48we'll make dragons that's just so that's
0:49:52just a little sweetener if we get to a
0:49:54million obviously you can have your own
0:49:56species yeah and if you have one guy do
0:49:58all the fields for you slide apart fast
0:50:00he'll Brandon struck me as you know I
0:50:02said this is like 23rd century
0:50:03Kickstarter they're putting it out there
0:50:05is kickstarter video and the
0:50:07Federation's alright will find you and I
0:50:08will give the other is just the venture
0:50:10capital arm arm you said they only put
0:50:12enough to get the t-shirt though
0:50:13yeah yeah and and the Reliant what
0:50:16and you know someone had a good copy of
0:50:20photoshop and rendering program is just
0:50:22the demo showing you were just showing
0:50:24you some graphic that's a little CTR
0:50:25it's pretty basic bond it's all done in
0:50:29flash 23rd century flash
0:50:31oh I love I did you love one bit though
0:50:32in that briefing well tube it's actually
0:50:34the first is that is that I'd i love how
0:50:36Kirk always sort of half rolls his eyes
0:50:38when spot goes on what is magical and
0:50:40there's a great instances where are we
0:50:43going to do this again talking he's
0:50:46talking to bones about logic and
0:50:47incorrect size just go to the rainbow
0:50:51over the other side of his head it's
0:50:53it's a great scene and McCoys ranting
0:50:55about them around that's what this thing
0:50:56right it doesn't be used as a weapon for
0:50:59of it as a weapon my god and furthermore
0:51:03Spock there is great too which is you
0:51:05must learn to govern your passions they
0:51:07will be your undoing which is given the
0:51:09way this movie plays out is is prescient
0:51:11in a different way
0:51:12interesting yeah yes all right space
0:51:15battle this is this is for my money I
0:51:18think this is the best sort of like
0:51:20tactical space battle scene that I've
0:51:23ever seen and I there are Star Wars Star
0:51:26Wars movies we've got the fleet of ships
0:51:28and they're all coming on pew pew and
0:51:30they're moving around are very exciting
0:51:31but you know I never really get much of
0:51:34a sense of tactics from that whereas in
0:51:35star trek to we've got you know two
0:51:38ships and and it's like a battled see or
0:51:41a submarine battle it's it's it's a
0:51:43one-on-one kind of thing and then you
0:51:45can actually understand where they are
0:51:48which in modern action movies is
0:51:50actually quite rare and what they're
0:51:52doing and what the strategy is first
0:51:54when the Reliant sneak sort of sneaks up
0:51:57right in plain view on the enterprise
0:51:58and blows them away before they can turn
0:52:00on their shields and then the the
0:52:03reversal that happens at the end of the
0:52:04scene just so much tension the music
0:52:07James Horner's music is great in this
0:52:09whole movie but here it's a it's State
0:52:12Building vacuum is that starts coming up
0:52:14the music builds and these were awake
0:52:16capital ships should be finding they're
0:52:18not dog fighting i'm gonna find around
0:52:21each other and then you know is it with
0:52:23joysticks is and perhaps later films we
0:52:25discovered that the enterprise can be
0:52:26flown by a joystick
0:52:28but what I loved about this was here's
0:52:33where we see Kirk slipping up he's a
0:52:35half's he's literally a half-step to
0:52:38slow and I i remember seeing this movie
0:52:42even last night I was watching your
0:52:44screaming raise the shield yeah that
0:52:46states the racing shields
0:52:48yes and and they're charging faces yes
0:52:52and and they're locking on target
0:52:53yes and I didn't uh it does support his
0:52:57theory that he's going senile to be
0:52:58honest
0:52:59well that's why i said he is he really
0:53:02is a half step slower this is where he
0:53:05gets sort of shaking out of this
0:53:06complacency and shakes the rest off
0:53:08though i think is is this moment yes but
0:53:11but true to your point he's still miles
0:53:13better than every other commander in
0:53:14Starfleet in spite of everything lost
0:53:17his step
0:53:18but once again seen that I love he's
0:53:20looking up the prefix though he's got to
0:53:22put the damn glasses on because he can
0:53:23speak just the second card i gotta put
0:53:28my hearing aid in got glasses on its
0:53:30second turn around and say hi to tell
0:53:33Conda to wait for him that I love that
0:53:35it's whip them off turns around tells
0:53:36con hold it and then put them back on so
0:53:38we can look again and it grew up in it
0:53:40as a theater actor and there's some of
0:53:42this theatrical flourishes of the got
0:53:43the glasses and it's coming through now
0:53:45con but this is so great because you see
0:53:47the wheel starting to spin with kirk and
0:53:49this is the the archetypal Captain Kirk
0:53:52has a trick to pull from the original
0:53:54series which is he's figuring it out and
0:53:56there's that I love the moment where he
0:53:57says keep nodding like I'm still giving
0:53:59orders but it's just not just keep it no
0:54:03ever tell you that I gotta say I'm
0:54:05working it out now
0:54:06i do question the security ramifications
0:54:08of being able to have a five digit pin
0:54:10number to control some any random
0:54:13because I had never thought of that
0:54:15before as i watch this but I was like
0:54:17what you can take over another starship
0:54:20if you know a five-digit code my
0:54:22password to get into my email is longer
0:54:25than the code you need to take over a
0:54:28Federation starship I i think it's i
0:54:30think it's the Kirk as an admiral and
0:54:33and they're on the enterprise they've
0:54:34got like the the master key and then
0:54:37they also need the encryption pin and
0:54:39it's supposed to stop the runaway
0:54:40starships yeah five digits and
0:54:42and they're not even input on like a
0:54:43like a number pad their input on a
0:54:45series of individual switches and 0
0:54:48through 9
0:54:49what thats that's the tricky part though
0:54:52you need to know the sequence of
0:54:53switches yeah that is exactly what he
0:54:55said I'm drop down down left right left
0:54:59right be a their shields are dropping
0:55:02there was one other thing in that scene
0:55:06that I thought was a little bit strange
0:55:09because he calls out Scotty oh do we
0:55:11have anything now we're dead in the
0:55:12water and purchase try the auxiliary
0:55:14power is guys like oh yeah okay I didn't
0:55:16think I think that everything smells
0:55:19really good hour on the ship so so I'm
0:55:22the C batteries in the warp drive we're
0:55:25going to get so when you watch this back
0:55:27one of the things that that is
0:55:29fascinating knowing every single bead of
0:55:31this movie is to watch the setups and
0:55:34and we see the the mechanism for knowing
0:55:38but shields are up or down like four
0:55:40times before the moment where he drops
0:55:43the shields on them and so when that
0:55:46moment comes
0:55:47you're like oh I know what's happening
0:55:48at the little dots are leaving around
0:55:49the ship and that means their shields
0:55:51are down but they they set it up there's
0:55:53like you know there's multiple shots of
0:55:55different times of shields coming up or
0:55:56down showing that screen and it is such
0:55:59a wonderful moment I mean I know it's
0:56:00just it's it's a they invented something
0:56:04so it's in some ways it's a deus ex
0:56:06machina but you know i love that it's
0:56:09it's showing the characters thinking
0:56:11about you know Kirk's advantages the
0:56:14Kirk knows the rules here and even
0:56:15though he's he has blown it by being a
0:56:18step too slow
0:56:19he knows things and this this ends up
0:56:22being cons on doing at the end to in the
0:56:23final fight scene is you know client is
0:56:25brilliant but he's obsessed
0:56:27that's one problem and the second
0:56:29problem is the con is not from he's from
0:56:31the 20th century and Kirk knows the
0:56:33rules that he doesn't know and and so
0:56:36knowing the prefix code and and this
0:56:38time Kirk doesn't hesitate right he's
0:56:40like drop the shields
0:56:42fire fire fire and there we go for the
0:56:46first time his age is not on our up on
0:56:48liability
0:56:49he's got experience he knows right any
0:56:52lectures you'll have to know just you
0:56:53know how things were going to know why
0:56:55they were
0:56:56right but we should know from space seed
0:56:58though that Khan has studied the
0:56:59technical manuals of the enterprise fish
0:57:03really should be something that's in
0:57:05there but he didn't think to to change
0:57:08the prefix codes and he forgot his nine
0:57:10right I guess that wasn't in the tech
0:57:12manual I've it would have been nice if
0:57:14there had been the scene where your
0:57:15argument comes up into sir I think we
0:57:16should change the prefixes no no thats
0:57:20want him without history fix coat and an
0:57:23expression of a space that's the first
0:57:25time you see the old Kirk when he goes
0:57:27here it comes on to number you just
0:57:31stand by their side over its on the legs
0:57:34and you know he would have just turned
0:57:35change the password to Ceti alpha five
0:57:37so really you could've guessed it easily
0:57:41and then yeah might as well now a
0:57:43question for the the star trek that I
0:57:45don't you want to the shield's actually
0:57:47turn on slowly around the ship as they
0:57:49appear to in the in the overhead display
0:57:52that is if you have the dramatic setting
0:57:54on on your shields yes they should they
0:57:57had a comment I would you turn that off
0:57:58I did you have to charge you know it
0:58:00makes a certain amount of sense is super
0:58:03excited that we've ever seen some of
0:58:05these systems in operation i thought
0:58:07they played out pretty logical yeah i'm
0:58:09just wondering if that ever comes up in
0:58:10a film or an emphasis as the shields are
0:58:14traveling slowly around the back and
0:58:16never somebody shoots him in the back
0:58:18never see the shield's I mean it's
0:58:20really only the device of like you know
0:58:21shields are down to twenty percent we
0:58:23can't take another hit like that you
0:58:25know that kind of that kind of thing
0:58:26this is this is a closed complex shield
0:58:29kind of thing and star trek because it's
0:58:31like to go up and down and it actually
0:58:32actually matters whether it's up or down
0:58:35there's something technical about it
0:58:36it's like you know they also like the
0:58:38battery on my phone you know what
0:58:40minutes a hundred percent next not a
0:58:4110-percent there's no wonder these
0:58:46things for a hundred percent next minute
0:58:47they're about like this field can take
0:58:48one it would be interesting if i press
0:58:49the sleep button on my iPhone and
0:58:51instead of just shutting off when do
0:58:52people around the edges and then went
0:58:55off that would be the best bit about
0:58:57that tactical that whole battle scene
0:58:59though is as always is the case in Star
0:59:02Trek is the reaction of the crew and
0:59:06that and the command team when they get
0:59:09hit but there's nothing more wonderful
0:59:12than seeing guys hurl themselves across
0:59:15the parade there's a champion that first
0:59:17shot that they take there's a guy and
0:59:19you gotta watch for it
0:59:20who is screaming and his body just flies
0:59:22on I totally nominate him for the the
0:59:25successor to the wilhelm scream because
0:59:27it is a fantastic screen he lets out
0:59:29he's flying all the way actually then
0:59:32hurls himself all the way across the
0:59:34bridge from one side to the other
0:59:36it's magnificent there is some mayhem
0:59:38going on there and i love that scene
0:59:40also right before they just over the
0:59:42bridge
0:59:42it's not clear why he does that they're
0:59:44not any safer off the bridge but it's
0:59:46like he doesn't want to screw up is his
0:59:48subject and they don't know about the
0:59:50prefix codes and they're not going to be
0:59:51good actors this is between me and
0:59:52Connie won't nod as if i'm giving orders
0:59:55so they're going to get it will be like
0:59:57what you're not giving orders captain
0:59:58I I Admiral Kirk up
0:59:58I I Admiral Kirk up
1:00:00very confused what's going on i also
1:00:01love how parts of the bridge just sort
1:00:02of spontaneously burst into flame even
1:00:05though one would assume that the bridge
1:00:06is insulated from the outer Hall by at
1:00:09least a couple hundred yards
1:00:10it's the manual exfoliation Kobayashi
1:00:12Maru simulation but the console that
1:00:15Kirk is that is is always it's like
1:00:17somebody just little barbecue right in
1:00:19fact that there's like a hibachi going
1:00:21on in the background space wiring is
1:00:23hard Steve space wiring and right you
1:00:25know it's clear that that someone has
1:00:27been giving payoffs to the Federation
1:00:29electrical engineering inspectors goes
1:00:32to the lowest bid contractor so that's
1:00:34right this is what happens when it's out
1:00:36there and first line of a thing right
1:00:39everything's blowing up so let's see I
1:00:41guess they go there at that point they
1:00:43go to regular one because they beaten
1:00:45con off and maybe they need to go find
1:00:47out what's going on and we get some
1:00:49nicer weather first there's the gym be
1:00:51careful
1:00:52we will we will I love that and then
1:00:55they said absolutely go over to this
1:00:58empty space station and again some
1:01:01almost again i want i want to say that I
1:01:03mean it's star star trek movie but I
1:01:04almost sense a little bit of the set the
1:01:06influence of alien here in the sense
1:01:08that they do try to stretch this out
1:01:09words like empty space ship these long
1:01:12slope and you actually see hora she's
1:01:14married but she's been conveniently
1:01:15they're only able to find indeterminate
1:01:17life site because their scanners are
1:01:19there's the scene with the mouse
1:01:21yeah those are the other way I have my
1:01:23notes to reminds me Ali this was two
1:01:25years or three years after Alan came out
1:01:27and you kept waiting for something
1:01:29really got to the bone time bones turns
1:01:32around and there's like eight dead
1:01:34bodies hanging out which is kind of you
1:01:36know Star Trek that's kind of rough
1:01:37that's kind of like I I jumped the first
1:01:40time I saw that yeah that was also know
1:01:42as a scary it was pretty gruesome to is
1:01:45there like a lowering them down
1:01:48yeah i love that that hora is muted but
1:01:51you see her she's still trying to hail
1:01:52cuz you know whether or not she's like
1:01:54hello hello hello
1:01:56and finally Kirstie Alley opens up her
1:01:58computer and communicator and goes we're
1:02:00fine out like shut up shut up or
1:02:03business just say something about these
1:02:04communicators with these like Nokia
1:02:06casts off from radioshack was like big
1:02:09they're conky they're ugly too thick but
1:02:11they're also super wide it's like the
1:02:13gala
1:02:13c-note communicator yes it's like super
1:02:16wide it's a redundant circuitry and I
1:02:21just went back to check this because i
1:02:23have structure one and back then they
1:02:25had risk communities in the first movie
1:02:27they had slimmed everything down
1:02:28figuring technology advanced this looks
1:02:30like something that picked up at radio
1:02:31shack on the way out the door their
1:02:33style maybe I'm stylish my theory was
1:02:35trainees you know we don't give him the
1:02:37good equipment they're gonna use these
1:02:38old communicators in a war surplus stuff
1:02:40we got laying around from the eugenics
1:02:41technology doesn't usually get bigger
1:02:43but they between the original series in
1:02:45this movie that the great has got a lot
1:02:47bigger but i think they wanted to go
1:02:48back to the whole I want to think that
1:02:51they flip open and looks like the old
1:02:53star trek communicators did but let's
1:02:55make them bigger and clunkier yeah and
1:02:59you know if this really looks like i
1:03:00don't know something from like the 1950s
1:03:03science movie fiction movies it was one
1:03:05of those little continuity things that
1:03:06just gonna bug me that in the flat that
1:03:09Kirk spends the rest of the movie with
1:03:10his tunic unbuttoned bugs the hell out
1:03:13of me for some reason let's stay just
1:03:14like that i don't know what that's their
1:03:16other than show me like you know the
1:03:18blood that he's still there but now I
1:03:20went back and looked and he actually
1:03:21unbuttons that himself on purpose yeah
1:03:24he's walking across the ground shortly
1:03:26after they get shot
1:03:27yeah so it's I think it's just he's
1:03:29wearing himself out exactly
1:03:30yeah and there's a lot of apparently
1:03:32stuff that you can buy the Starfleet you
1:03:34know what I don't know swag store
1:03:36because now they have waiting jackets
1:03:38that you can wear with nice buckles on
1:03:41and then Kirk's where it is using the
1:03:43data so you can give them to your
1:03:44girlfriend when she's cold in the
1:03:45Genesis kid it was like a leather jacket
1:03:47uh yeah it is it's the space leather
1:03:50jacket i like the Stars leather jacket
1:03:52but if you if you're gonna happen long
1:03:53enough you get a Letterman's jacket with
1:03:55a high collar and he wears his up with
1:03:58the highway to do it i'm a i-i-i gotta
1:04:00love the boots got the high collar but
1:04:01what is with the design of that though
1:04:03that that short with that with the one
1:04:06thing hanging down that I mean was this
1:04:08new kids inspired or you can do several
1:04:10years later it
1:04:11I know but that why you know patent
1:04:13leather belt buckle up right now
1:04:15Starfleet units by oshkosh b'gosh yeah
1:04:18yeah it's oh in the chatroom somebody
1:04:20points out that that Kirk opens his his
1:04:22vest because con he's got a little chest
1:04:25out
1:04:26he wants a man cleavage and in the
1:04:28original Star Trek his shirts were
1:04:29always ripped and fight so he's me
1:04:31that's as close to season comes to
1:04:32unbuckle it that the regular one seems I
1:04:35mean me that the creepiness kind of
1:04:37continues to because then they go to the
1:04:38did the transporter room and it's left
1:04:40running and abandoned and they're like
1:04:42well there's some coordinates here but
1:04:45well first we see checkoff back wanna
1:04:48there there in the crate right they open
1:04:50the crate and they're like eyes rolled
1:04:52back in their heads like maybe they're
1:04:53dead right we don't know what they are
1:04:55but then we discovered that walter
1:04:57Koenig is a really bad they put what
1:04:59your shirt on audio general or deny the
1:05:04creature all their value and sa lie
1:05:07that's the madness that is promised by
1:05:09come thing but they said they put
1:05:11creatures illness and McCoys then there
1:05:12may be getting a quick scale yeah
1:05:14they're creatures still in oh yeah but
1:05:16maybe you guys want to stay here you
1:05:17want to come down with us and we we
1:05:19brought the we brought the antiquated
1:05:20tricorders so i will pick up later
1:05:23I'm sure nothing bad can happen we let
1:05:25you out of this create their creatures
1:05:26in your head
1:05:27come with us so they beam down to the
1:05:28empty to the empty coordinates which is
1:05:31again that creepy moment of like they
1:05:33bought time to get they didn't get down
1:05:34this far and and and of course there's a
1:05:38funny McCoy line where where I another
1:05:40record suppose they win your heart you
1:05:41know where well it's your best it's your
1:05:44chance to get away from it all and I
1:05:45don't know what if that's what you want
1:05:46me to say we got nothing with this is
1:05:47the only option bone so you want to stay
1:05:49here with the rats no dead bodies no
1:05:52okay energized and another this is a
1:05:54foreshadow that i get i think they might
1:05:56have overplayed a little bit if we go by
1:05:59mobile look that is like I like mrs. Sam
1:06:04this is the biggest problem i have with
1:06:06the movie is that at a two year old
1:06:09chimpanzee could figure out this
1:06:11situation of genetics Superman whereas
1:06:14the genetically modified brilliant con
1:06:16somehow completely misses that hours and
1:06:19days and was too busy focused on how
1:06:22clever he is that he's he's
1:06:23eavesdropping and why can all of their
1:06:26communications be encrypted
1:06:27yeah well it's a magical I couldn't stop
1:06:30it figure it out
1:06:31know anyone who's watching this movie
1:06:32and he's like he's not even being subtle
1:06:34this is like you know when a
1:06:35six-year-old is trying to tell you a
1:06:36secret
1:06:37why the book
1:06:39ours will seem like minutes when yeah
1:06:43you know but when I was 11 years old now
1:06:45watch this movie for the first time I'm
1:06:46totally missed that I was so engrossed
1:06:48in other stuff i totally missed it and
1:06:50so with that moment where Kurt flips his
1:06:52communicator opens giant communicator
1:06:54open later was like cool
1:06:55oh wow right when I was 11 so it is a
1:06:58great scene and and I think the
1:07:00greatness of that scene is so powerful
1:07:01that you forget how lame this was when
1:07:04I'm watching it now and I'm seeing him
1:07:06because you can skip same by-the-book
1:07:08remember by the book
1:07:10yeah but maybe he's suggesting that you
1:07:13purchased the novelization available
1:07:16from penguin yes by it LOL tell you the
1:07:19date of the science team if you read
1:07:21them as and of course you know we know
1:07:22that regulations because sabatino's
1:07:24every regulation of the book by heart
1:07:26now she's broken she remembers he sees
1:07:28so when they when they beam down into
1:07:29the Genesis cave the the hallway that
1:07:33leads to the genesis game i guess more
1:07:35accurate right the the phil collins
1:07:37memorial hallway then uh then uh you
1:07:42know we we see that there's the betrayal
1:07:44of Chekhov and and captain Tyrell they
1:07:47call up con and he steals the Genesis
1:07:49device and the trail kills himself and
1:07:52check of yeah I don't understand why
1:07:54does Terrell have to kill himself but
1:07:55then the thing just jumped out of
1:07:57Chekhov said well that's what jumps out
1:07:58of his head it's like I'm getting the
1:07:59hell out of here somebody's gonna blow
1:08:01ya abandoned ship its self-presentation
1:08:05yeah and it's one of them was a
1:08:07disposable captain in the other one had
1:08:09a feature credit so it was just you know
1:08:11it goes but it kinda like that struggle
1:08:13like you know where cons you're pushing
1:08:15him shoot him shoot him he's like a cat
1:08:17can't do it can't do I thought there was
1:08:19a missing line of dialogue there that
1:08:20they didn't put in which would have been
1:08:21con being like point the phaser and pull
1:08:25the trigger right and so what he does
1:08:26what he does he turns it on himself
1:08:28because he's got a fire the gun and he
1:08:30doesn't want to fire it at Kirk so he he
1:08:33fires it himself but then yeah and then
1:08:36and then boy he did feel bad because
1:08:38turns out if he had waited like I'm
1:08:40another 30 seconds this thing would have
1:08:42just fallen out of this year street was
1:08:45just a shape also we shot the other guy
1:08:46and that's yeah that because what David
1:08:49did get his getting over that
1:08:50self-defense though that's how the way i
1:08:53figure i actually like that that's a
1:08:54good theory i think i'm pretty proud of
1:08:56myself for coming up with that I think
1:08:57the thing really bailed his ear because
1:08:59the other one got vaporized your moment
1:09:02to get out of here ously maybe two feet
1:09:03to his right it didn't work because he
1:09:06still got some toast i'm gonna find
1:09:07another year one of my one of my
1:09:09absolute favorite lines comes up on you
1:09:11manage to kill just about everyone else
1:09:14con you bloodsucker you've managed to
1:09:17kill just about everyone else but like a
1:09:19poor marksman you keep missing the
1:09:21target and what I really like about this
1:09:26thing as a place up well against the
1:09:27next scene is right he's obviously
1:09:28trying to talk on and constant comm yeah
1:09:32calm down I i got better I got the jet
1:09:34is your advice you're not going to get
1:09:36me to lose my cool i got it under
1:09:38control it's about monday i was gonna
1:09:40get that little areas like hey I get to
1:09:42maroon you this time haha what and
1:09:46walking game a couple tranquilizers
1:09:48yes sit down yeah and it's like I will
1:09:52go on hurting
1:09:54yeah blouses on the other pic tomorrow
1:09:56at a breaking story and brandy and
1:10:00silicon is calm now he's he's he's had
1:10:03some drinks now when the creature
1:10:05vacates check out the year and is Kirk
1:10:09zaps it with the phaser which setting is
1:10:11that on the phaser i seem to recall stun
1:10:14and kill but this appears to be bugs out
1:10:16host marshmallow or something but
1:10:17example rocket yeah I'm deep-fry very
1:10:21useful in finding need to cook a hot dog
1:10:24yeah yeah it is a pacetti lure cook a
1:10:26hot dog that's what that's what we'll do
1:10:31we start 45 from the camping
1:10:33yeah and you can tell by the way he has
1:10:35that setting because what's on his mind
1:10:36is the next thing he says was anyone got
1:10:37any food
1:10:38yeah right and then the response to that
1:10:40is there's food in the Genesis k which I
1:10:42guarantee that's the exact same line she
1:10:44used when they conceived David yeah
1:10:48enough to last a lifetime and so we
1:10:56finally get the big reveal don't duh
1:10:58this is indeed captain kirk's a son but
1:11:01it's in this moment of Kirk again we
1:11:03were back to the whole I feel old stuff
1:11:07with Captain Kirk right but he's got
1:11:09this guy who killed him in years
1:11:10the son hates me and I feel like an old
1:11:12man and and she tries to cheer him up
1:11:15she's like I got let me show you my my
1:11:17Genesis cave which comes with its own
1:11:18off-camera son that is inside and I
1:11:21don't know how
1:11:23and you wonder about Starfleet's a
1:11:27record keeping because they look at the
1:11:30the kickstarter video yeah and McCoys
1:11:33like well it doesn't work and and Chris
1:11:35like I don't know the film this year but
1:11:37that's not how the phase two
1:11:39let's go see because blockers donate and
1:11:43then forget about was not in the loop
1:11:44they were still waiting to get their
1:11:46money archives letter because they had
1:11:47not another planet they not the dragons
1:11:49and they basically just wrote it off
1:11:51that you know what's never back in
1:11:52another capital markets project I always
1:11:54figured that it was just cooking like
1:11:55yeah you know this came across my desk
1:11:57and it's Carol and I I don't wanna I
1:12:00don't wanna know about it see I guess
1:12:01she's doing her thing i told her i would
1:12:03just leave her alone so let's see what
1:12:05the other side is that she did say that
1:12:07right it took them 10 months which is
1:12:08almost a year to all out that cave and
1:12:11then they built genesis in a day
1:12:13yeah they fired off the thing and it may
1:12:15decline in the day yeah yeah okay but
1:12:18then we come back to the Kobayashi Maru
1:12:20store because she's the person I was not
1:12:23letting this guy yea he's like it's
1:12:25bugging her that she can't she could
1:12:27beat this and Kirk's the wall tell McCoy
1:12:30is the one finally you know and let her
1:12:33in on the secret
1:12:33yeah yeah this is the legendary not only
1:12:35does it fit with the Kirk that we've
1:12:37known from from the original series but
1:12:39it becomes this you know it's something
1:12:41that really stuck with people afterward
1:12:43which is he he cheated he changed the
1:12:45conditions reprogram the simulator and
1:12:46this is something so fixed and lower
1:12:49after this movie that that in the JJ
1:12:52Abrams Star Trek movie they actually
1:12:54show Kirk cheating on the Kobayashi Maru
1:12:57test and it turns out that in that movie
1:13:00he's cheating
1:13:01against Spock who is running tests which
1:13:05is funny too but it's it's fun to see
1:13:07how sabic who is a has sort of come to
1:13:10respect kirky and she's kind of appalled
1:13:14think you're a cheater
1:13:15I was like you know I change the
1:13:17conditions and and David Marcus she's a
1:13:20shader no I totally called him on it no
1:13:24you just and then so you get the pivot
1:13:26right i don't believe in the no-win
1:13:27scenario Kurtis spoke with the
1:13:29communicator right Curtis pocket you
1:13:31ready but yep I'm ready all right let's
1:13:33get out and why do you feel the need to
1:13:34keep it a secret that point by the way
1:13:36out drama school with you all you guys
1:13:38just don't have some coffee and
1:13:39restaurants current finally got a drama
1:13:41I i got the secret code spot that no one
1:13:44else had figured out by the book by the
1:13:45book
1:13:46I don't like to lose but that is great i
1:13:50don't believe in the no-win scenario and
1:13:53that's that's the key moment of the
1:13:54movie and really the key moment I think
1:13:56of Star Trek period is the reason that
1:13:59people like Star Trek is because Kirk is
1:14:02basically infallible
1:14:04I mean he's more or less space Ferris
1:14:06Bueller we'll figure it out you you know
1:14:08he's gonna he's gonna use his superior
1:14:10intellect and he's going to win out in
1:14:11the end and you know
1:14:14oh yeah but his actions keep coming back
1:14:16to haunted in other words even when he
1:14:18has the victory over the Reliant it's
1:14:21not a victory i get the best he's able
1:14:23to do now is a stalemate in the past
1:14:25they would kick reliance but now and
1:14:27then and Kirk isn't the smartest guy
1:14:29he's the cleverest sky right he's not
1:14:31Spock is smarter than Kirk but he
1:14:33doesn't have the kind of the reckless
1:14:34abandon didn't have guile eggs anything
1:14:36outer just has this all-consuming
1:14:38confidence in himself
1:14:40I will figure this out i can change the
1:14:42rules i can get out of any situation and
1:14:44these other people help me but it is all
1:14:46about me and I made a note here this is
1:14:49this is the point where he decides to
1:14:50finally fix his lobster bib so that that
1:14:54really I think maybe the whole purpose
1:14:55of that is to represent his his
1:14:57vulnerability I mean it at the point
1:14:59that the the enterprise gets hit he
1:15:01pulls the thing open and then once he's
1:15:03he's got the upper hand again he closes
1:15:05it up
1:15:06he's no longer vulnerable it's a
1:15:08you know what is your shields but with
1:15:10that was a parallel to if you remember
1:15:12in Apollo 30 when Ed Harris the very end
1:15:17of the senior all hairy doing everything
1:15:18like that he's wearing like a tab collar
1:15:20shirt and the Yankee this is this is
1:15:22going to be a disaster this guy's never
1:15:23gonna make it and Harris goes I think
1:15:25it's gonna be our finest hour button his
1:15:27shirt and fixes his tie and that's what
1:15:29it reminded me of like I'm going into
1:15:31this final moment and i really love at
1:15:34this point because he goes he's going on
1:15:36the offensive con I'm my thing at you
1:15:39and your superior intellect and he
1:15:42finally manages to provoke kind of walk
1:15:45inside we got Genesis that it's even
1:15:46better we gotta run by it we got campus
1:15:49event you'd never off the damn pilot
1:15:51with the crazy worms can we please go
1:15:55find something else I think cons almost
1:15:57ready in that final taunt I laugh at
1:16:00your superior intellect up makes fun of
1:16:02anything you want
1:16:03not mine so I'll say this for me is
1:16:04consistent great don't call me honey
1:16:07modred as because i like spring
1:16:09scoreline it's contact marty mcfly via
1:16:12the other lights brings forward like
1:16:14ridiculously fast senior like haha i got
1:16:17them he's on the line and and your
1:16:19argument to the end is like we don't
1:16:21need to do this but it's too bad
1:16:22honestly though it's pure overkill
1:16:24because really at that point when he
1:16:26realized that he was duped by the
1:16:27by-the-book reduction scheme that should
1:16:30have been enough to make him realize his
1:16:32superior intellect was entirely
1:16:33fictional yeah right well it wasn't he
1:16:36said that he is intelligent but not
1:16:39experienced yes and finally like you
1:16:40Kirk sage counts for something
1:16:42experience counts for something that I
1:16:44say this is a middle-aged guy I kind of
1:16:46like you don't like that moment you know
1:16:48what
1:16:48just the fact that he's been around
1:16:49Federation longer than time has counts
1:16:51for something
1:16:52arm and at this point the movie kind of
1:16:56gets a little bit cheesy you know what
1:16:58there's a convenient nebula but this one
1:17:00is there
1:17:01this is this is the nebula is I remember
1:17:04when I was a kid I I friend of mine gave
1:17:08me a star log magazine and it said it
1:17:11said star trek tues plot involves con
1:17:13stealing a weather machine and trapping
1:17:16the enterprise in a cloud and it turns
1:17:19out that's not that far off it's sort of
1:17:21like you can see the dates
1:17:22somebody kind of got it wrong but the
1:17:24the I think about that every time that
1:17:26they go into the nebula it's like oh
1:17:28here's the space cloud I i actually
1:17:30remember that night and me that was like
1:17:32you know it's like an apple rumor you
1:17:34get part of the story right but it's not
1:17:35going exactly into nebulous don't work
1:17:37like that there's no like snow base
1:17:38lightning and nebulous you wouldn't have
1:17:41liked it if the viewscreen has static on
1:17:44it why wouldn't you like go look out a
1:17:45window because in the long shots in the
1:17:48nebula you can find your perfect
1:17:50thousands of miles but but they're like
1:17:53others TV reception is bad so it's in
1:17:57someone fix the rabbit ears on the TV
1:17:59set because it wouldn't because we're a
1:18:01submarine battle moment and they want to
1:18:04have it be that Khan and I like this
1:18:07part of it is like conscious thinking
1:18:09like he's in a ship on the ocean and in
1:18:11the end that's his 20th century sent
1:18:14thinking is one idiot is two-dimensional
1:18:16think emotional right he thinks
1:18:18two-dimensional a-and and this is sort
1:18:20of where you know comes back but it's
1:18:22like just even if they're going to the
1:18:24nebula like he goes all they're going in
1:18:26there and he goes you know let's try and
1:18:28discourage them from doing that like
1:18:30watches blow them to hang out at his
1:18:31page on idea i don't instead and then
1:18:33he's like Peters just trying to
1:18:35discourage us from going into you know
1:18:38just shoot them you want to kill her
1:18:39the spaceship the family the people
1:18:42you're not the warning shot goes
1:18:44straight to the destruction shot ya know
1:18:47that that kind of whole thing was a
1:18:48little bit illogical to me but you're
1:18:50right i did like this seems though in
1:18:52there where they are looking like
1:18:54capital ships where no ones on top and
1:18:56the other one sort of on the bottom we
1:18:57don't see each other it is like that
1:18:58that submarine Jace and that's that's
1:19:01the part that I thought was very
1:19:02scooby-doo like it was a draw it was
1:19:04like it all along the hallway and you
1:19:06know that the shaggy and scooby running
1:19:08the in the front across the two doors
1:19:10right in the background this the snow
1:19:12ghost friends bass going the other way
1:19:14at the very
1:19:21I'll it's that yeah we're going to open
1:19:24up up a little bit of aggression here
1:19:28yeah but that you know the point from a
1:19:30structural standpoint is to once again
1:19:31have it be like Kirk you know Kirk knows
1:19:33some facts that Khan doesn't really
1:19:36think of and that's that's what get some
1:19:38Kirk's experience gets him the win
1:19:42except it turns out that the that i
1:19:44actually wrote in my notes after they
1:19:45after they knock than the engine off the
1:19:48Reliant i wrote game over which made me
1:19:50laugh when Conn immediately says no Kirk
1:19:53the game's not and at this point Khan
1:19:59has lost it right now walking this that
1:20:01if he ever had everybody you know right
1:20:03the personal he's lifted up that piece
1:20:05of styrofoam off opponents show his
1:20:07superhuman strength steels are dead
1:20:10yeah right it's just been a bad at a
1:20:13more calm
1:20:15I like that kind of visibly woozy check
1:20:17off stumbles onto the bridge and say
1:20:20immediately put him in charge of the
1:20:21weapons cuts which which is a good idea
1:20:24that they're being they're just
1:20:25patronizing the weapons console is a
1:20:27joystick with a button that says press
1:20:29to fire the torpedo that's all it is
1:20:31it's actually a lite-brite Boing go
1:20:34everything videogame doing a great job
1:20:38just to get a cover
1:20:42okay okay buddy let's play space
1:20:44invaders for the next 15 minutes you
1:20:46know
1:20:47will will will forgive you all the
1:20:48deception in the worm in the ear
1:20:50good job time really getting mascara got
1:20:53a whole not not letting anyone know
1:20:54about I'm push the white where your ship
1:20:56and white button that
1:20:59yeah you just push that one about it
1:21:01again
1:21:02alright champ good luck somebody check
1:21:06out fire fire fire
1:21:08so looking you get to press the buttons
1:21:11president like you're on fire
1:21:14oh do would be to say lies or two things
1:21:20no that's the button check off so the
1:21:24Genesis torpedo gets activated this is
1:21:26this is constable revenge is currently
1:21:28to have a very strange kind of detonator
1:21:30device I don't know the
1:21:32a lot of circles you have to push down
1:21:33it's kind of strange it reminded me of
1:21:35like the you know two keys to launch the
1:21:37nuclear missiles kind of thing and it's
1:21:39like you got only one you gotta twist of
1:21:41thing and then the thing goes down and
1:21:43then you twist another thing and it goes
1:21:44down and it's like Carol how much of the
1:21:47Kickstarter money went toward the
1:21:49bizarre launch manage the aluminum then
1:21:52it was that the guy that that's also not
1:21:54from alien actually that the whole self
1:21:57destruction alien is very similar to
1:21:58that right and it's a it's a cool it's
1:22:02cool moment where you know you see when
1:22:05you watch it back you see that were we
1:22:07need warp speed three minutes or we're
1:22:09all dead and you see Spock and it camera
1:22:11hold on Spock and he he thinks and you
1:22:13know when you watch it back especially
1:22:14it's like this is his decision it's like
1:22:16I gotta go down there and he goes down
1:22:18there and and sacrifices himself
1:22:20this is obi Oshie me exactly right and
1:22:23and and and he can't cheat but he does
1:22:26kind of well also so they wrote they
1:22:30they added in after leonard nimoy said i
1:22:32wanna i want you to kill off Spock why
1:22:34he said that I don't know
1:22:36so uh so he was tired of it so but they
1:22:39wrote in he was having such a good time
1:22:41doing the movie that he started to waver
1:22:42so they wrote in this thing where you
1:22:43guys remember 222 dr. McCoy before he
1:22:47goes into the chamber us and just in
1:22:49case
1:22:50yeah you are a little back to know might
1:22:52might might want to do an addition on
1:22:53the house and then you my family you
1:22:55know
1:22:55alright i love the moment but you want
1:22:57more i love the moment we're up so he's
1:22:59in there and Scotty is has gotten up and
1:23:02even though he's not you know he's
1:23:04collapsing all that it and you get the
1:23:06sense that when Scott Lewis box in there
1:23:08Scotty's like you gotta come back out
1:23:09like he might be sickened by this but
1:23:11it's he could still survive and then he
1:23:13takes the like the lid off the engine
1:23:15thing and scott is like no
1:23:18that's the most like he's dead that's it
1:23:20he's gone yeah it's not lookin real good
1:23:23but you know it is what i really like
1:23:24you put the gloves on first because we
1:23:26want to be sanitary about this yeah a
1:23:29clean room please
1:23:30you know his parents always said you
1:23:32know the little per hour before you go
1:23:34into a warp core reactor it it's never
1:23:36clear exactly what he does but he does
1:23:39she keep fixing something special down
1:23:41underneath the little lid of the thing
1:23:43and maybe we have the gloves his hands
1:23:44was just like burned off so he has the
1:23:46gloves she absorbs radiation
1:23:49speaking of gloves i meant to bring this
1:23:51up earlier but can anyone explain y con
1:23:53keeps one on at all times he takes one
1:23:57off right at the very beginning right
1:23:59and then that's it and I I yeah I kept
1:24:01on wondering like does he have like
1:24:02metals and really Michael Jackson
1:24:04reference serve when he took he took one
1:24:06glove off but then he became so obsessed
1:24:07with Kirk that he forgot videos
1:24:09forgotten the whole movie it's a sign of
1:24:12his madness remember on has gone into
1:24:15space 1996 which would have been right
1:24:17about the time of of Michael Jackson's
1:24:19geek of thing that's where the whole
1:24:22club thing came from and it was a little
1:24:23oh gosh what Michael Jackson may have
1:24:26been a commander in the eugenics wars I
1:24:29like at this point where where they tell
1:24:30Sulu soon will get us out of here best
1:24:32possible speed and Sulu proceed to make
1:24:35the world's slowest three-point turn
1:24:37yeah to back away from the hot you're
1:24:40not giving any good you really have to
1:24:41tell sue best possible oh you I was
1:24:44going to save gas and running i was
1:24:47going to happen pulse but I alternative
1:24:49as possible right
1:24:51Sulu you killed us all Sulu damn you
1:24:55it is kind of sad that so and who are
1:24:57basically serve the same purpose that
1:24:59they served in the show which is
1:25:00absolutely they in any Star Trek movies
1:25:04to come they found plot beats for all of
1:25:07the ensemble this movie all over it does
1:25:10is repeat herself again and again until
1:25:13Kirstie Alley tells her to shut up and
1:25:15and also Lou has really are his little
1:25:18one-liners like we're not going to make
1:25:20it our way and that's about it
1:25:22Sulu though in this movie he serves as a
1:25:24surrogate for the audience in that he's
1:25:26damn glad to be there
1:25:28he's just going like an idiot the whole
1:25:29time and he
1:25:30pleased as punch to be on board the
1:25:32enterprise for whatever reason but he's
1:25:34got nothing to do i would give a crisp
1:25:37andhra dollar bill two Georges decay
1:25:38just to hear him say soft Corinthian
1:25:41leather
1:25:42he might he might be available check is
1:25:44a check is kickstarter surely there's a
1:25:47con somewhere that he's appearing every
1:25:49hon yeah the UH so the enterprise so the
1:25:53enterprise gets away if they get away
1:25:55know something happens and then captain
1:25:58everything's working Jimmy better get
1:25:59down here and like once again Kirk
1:26:01pulled off America a lot no consequences
1:26:04friend everybody's fine the crew what
1:26:07happens when you get that other world
1:26:09there are ramifications gym you may want
1:26:11to get down here right away i'm not
1:26:15going to tell you what kinda empty
1:26:16Jerrica they cut to the engineer one who
1:26:20has a trusted loyal first officer and
1:26:22has long friend raise your hands Jim
1:26:24knots go past the biggest so so and then
1:26:28comes the big good the big goodbye
1:26:30this scene is is pretty fantastic i have
1:26:33to say though as an on track guide that
1:26:36the particularly the early parts of it
1:26:38where we see Spock being weak and
1:26:40disoriented and it's silent which is
1:26:42just a brilliant move to have him be
1:26:45separated by the by the thick glass or
1:26:47whatever it is and and he's stumbling
1:26:50about any it's it's not clear whether
1:26:52you can see and it's it's really
1:26:55heartbreaking
1:26:56I mean even if somebody who's only
1:26:57dabbled in Star Trek minorly it's it
1:27:00brought ear he's blind and burned his
1:27:03you-know-what call me though and i only
1:27:05noticed it for the first time last night
1:27:07they cut the net see spots in the corner
1:27:10you can barely get up and gets up and
1:27:11what does he do he fixes his goals down
1:27:13his uniform yes yes it's touching
1:27:16I saw the exact and it got some dignity
1:27:19no matter what I I'm dead but my
1:27:22captain's here i'm going to present
1:27:24myself friday happy I'm gonna walk into
1:27:26walls i'm gonna make sure that no
1:27:28creases in my generation I don't walk
1:27:30around with my shirt open half the time
1:27:32I some people jerks and that's me just
1:27:35showed how great my dream I was that
1:27:37little detail i had to be a pilot but
1:27:39that's what Spock would have done
1:27:41yeah that's good right little moment i
1:27:44like i like the like Scotty's he's dead
1:27:47already
1:27:48yeah it's like it's like no he died I
1:27:51gotta go save him know it's too late
1:27:53it's too late and change the rules on
1:27:56this one
1:27:57there's nothing left for spot but a
1:27:58torpedo coffin that we will shoot in
1:28:02explaining a mark 6 torpedo coffee
1:28:05incidentally because you didn't catch
1:28:06the gigantic leather recliner a hot and
1:28:10it's very tasty little marks and we saw
1:28:12the top of the spacecraft which is very
1:28:13ponderously lowered because it turns out
1:28:17that the Dozen taking that you don't
1:28:19need to rush when you're shooting
1:28:20torpedo it starts to just take your time
1:28:23just lower it very slowly the mark the
1:28:25mark five used to really drool their way
1:28:27out of the the launch Bay
1:28:29mark mark sixes are the only ones that r
1:28:32is true for the regulations are the only
1:28:34ones that are allowed to come to carry
1:28:36uh
1:28:36Vogons as a payload yeah it was it
1:28:39wasn't until the mark 7 that they
1:28:40realize you should probably put the
1:28:41writing on the bottom of the coffin so
1:28:43it's doesn't really ruin the ceremony as
1:28:46they're watching you out of the torpedo
1:28:47Bay yes and what exactly did they do
1:28:51that as opposed to taking his body back
1:28:53to his family
1:28:54I just never quite got that I think
1:28:57McCoy suggested with spots like I guess
1:28:59very much space but never made sense for
1:29:01Kirk what's popular family and because
1:29:03he his was the most human yes you know
1:29:06it's because McCoy said I've got some
1:29:08strange for some strange reason I'm
1:29:10hearings box-boy saying to fire him into
1:29:12the newly generated plan tonight I don't
1:29:16I remember some time but i'm not sure
1:29:18whether it so how many I mean it's so
1:29:21funny when you look back on this that
1:29:23and this is skipping ahead a little bit
1:29:25but not only do we have to remember
1:29:26thing I and the last line is it you know
1:29:29that there's the whole thing with the
1:29:30all is well which is like come on is all
1:29:33well Spock died right but but we're ok
1:29:35we're going what really makes me that
1:29:37should have been looking at that thing
1:29:39we're all happy little me feel young
1:29:41not really Chloe looks like looks at the
1:29:43camera and says he's not really dead as
1:29:47long as we remember him here by the book
1:29:52he's not really dead must come back to
1:29:55this place one day soon is and don't rip
1:30:00your fake Vulcan ears off in a horror
1:30:02come back for star trek 3 we promise
1:30:05it'll it'll be good i mean there's
1:30:07there's something that there's some nice
1:30:08stuff here at the end but I mean that
1:30:10that as we wind out of the conclusion
1:30:12with Scotty gets to play the bagpipes
1:30:14isn't that nice glad he brings uh we
1:30:17have a nice shot of the New Genesis
1:30:20planet which has a son that its orbiting
1:30:21and again I don't know where the Sun
1:30:23came from Commodore before we get down
1:30:26to this point i wanted to point out one
1:30:28more thing we are going from the death
1:30:29seemed to yeah there's there's the bit
1:30:32where he's saying his final goodbyes to
1:30:35Kirk through the through the universe
1:30:36the glass here and he's wearing the big
1:30:40gloves
1:30:40transparent aluminum yeah take them off
1:30:42right but it's so fast he whips that
1:30:46glove off so fast so we can pull his
1:30:48live long and prosper up against the
1:30:50glass watch the scene again you'll see
1:30:52in water
1:30:53one moment he's got the glove on and it
1:30:56drops below frame and within
1:30:58microseconds it's often that hand is on
1:31:01the glass
1:31:02it's amazing he news with Spock knew he
1:31:06was going to die very soon so we need to
1:31:07get his hand up fast
1:31:09I think there's a little a whole subtext
1:31:11here about gloves though in this film
1:31:13not sure what it is you know but I did
1:31:15like the line where he said that I never
1:31:16took the Kobayashi Maru out what do you
1:31:18think of my solution
1:31:20you know I had it so I took some
1:31:22consequences for my actions but yeah
1:31:23unlike you who frankly was because of
1:31:26this whole mess and my death I might add
1:31:29thank you very much oh and live longer
1:31:31process and drop car off at Starbase
1:31:34five we could have done that but
1:31:36no no no no green program the parameters
1:31:39of the seeds for a future culture that
1:31:42will spring and the worship me as a god
1:31:44probably is the great Kirk who delivered
1:31:46of their whatever let's just leave it
1:31:48messy was you had to teach him a lesson
1:31:50because of your superior intellect you
1:31:52were kind of annoyed that he tried to
1:31:54kill you so you moved into my planet
1:31:55know perfectly within the prime
1:31:57directive what thanks to spot get
1:31:59torpedo coffin
1:32:01yeah and you know they didn't check for
1:32:03existing biomatter before they dumped a
1:32:05con on that planet
1:32:07yeah they just dumped him yeah exactly
1:32:09didn't try to transplant anything
1:32:11Kurt there was also no sign of a planet
1:32:14there at all doing were there any I
1:32:15proto matter particles like was going to
1:32:17be a problem for Lucius the nebula I
1:32:19think they use the yeah it's really fun
1:32:22and it sucked in the nebula and created
1:32:25the planet is brains yeah and then why
1:32:28didn't they just do that instead of
1:32:29looking for a life was planet with no my
1:32:31crew because nebula weather systems are
1:32:34unpredictable so you from home what's
1:32:36gonna happen yeah this is what happens
1:32:38when you back the kickstarter project
1:32:39from someone with no track records and I
1:32:41don't work someone you can put together
1:32:43you know what they can do a photoshop
1:32:45render and people are throwing money
1:32:46Adam I oh and I should mention that that
1:32:48that Captain Kirk gets a hug gets to hug
1:32:51his son at the end you get the world's
1:32:52most awkward hug too
1:32:54it doesn't i like that it was very
1:32:56awkward hug the little pat i think Kirk
1:33:01just noticed the perm at that moment in
1:33:02time and he think he's thinking to
1:33:03himself is this really my style
1:33:05he's tall and blonde he also probably
1:33:08sees the the cardigan he's got tied
1:33:10around his neck and he's trying to
1:33:11figure out whether we should hug mercy
1:33:13for slapping silly fight for his party
1:33:15was on his way to play tennis before
1:33:17it's right up there are even in the 23rd
1:33:19century you don't like red
1:33:21yeah at Genesis tennis and I was ya
1:33:24genesis genesis genesis genesis its
1:33:27trail assistance but I did like the one
1:33:29seen even though it was a cameras over
1:33:30the head to go see you never faced
1:33:32before
1:33:34no one's ever accused kill people I'm
1:33:35you maroon them on planets but you've
1:33:38never had anyone die around you have you
1:33:40anyone who matters and this is sort of
1:33:42like a little bit human and also that
1:33:44idea was of course I know I'm adopted
1:33:46you idiots
1:33:47but yeah here's a here's your message i
1:33:50haven't faced death there you go haha
1:33:52theme that's the theme of this movie
1:33:56yeah but he doesn't he's pretty happy at
1:33:58the end though yeah all is well now it's
1:34:00more of the midlife crisis stuff ma'am
1:34:02he's faced death and now he feels you're
1:34:04like wow this is this crisis is over I
1:34:06feel great Spock's dead i feel young
1:34:08let's go is awesome it was that it was
1:34:12that Vulcan that was dragging me down
1:34:13making me feel so freaking old I'm glad
1:34:15he's God find me books what prozac was a
1:34:19waste of money i don't need these
1:34:21glasses anymore on that logic crap all
1:34:24the time
1:34:25screw logic let's go find some triple
1:34:26breast green chicks let's go
1:34:29I should have shot spotter planet ages
1:34:32ago
1:34:32you know what I'm gonna come back here
1:34:35one day but right now we find a bar girl
1:34:39needs some Romulan ale i gotta-i gotta
1:34:41feed my job this will pick up Spock's
1:34:44body later right now
1:34:47Starbase eight let's get this brace for
1:34:50everyone on base eight the bart sorbet
1:34:52say let's swing by Babylon 5 and pick up
1:34:54some cock Marat sure because that whole
1:35:00would feel young feel you what young and
1:35:04something Spock was trying to tell me on
1:35:06my birthday
1:35:07now you got the message ya see it was
1:35:09the worst of times when Spock died that
1:35:11it was the best of times when he
1:35:12realized that he felt young sure the
1:35:15best of times like stock is no longer
1:35:17painted my uh oh say Kurt is a very
1:35:20selfish is like Spock is dead but I feel
1:35:22great
1:35:23that's right everybody is great you
1:35:25don't want you know what right people
1:35:27have died the ship is wracked with I'm I
1:35:30snapped out of that midlife crisis here
1:35:33we go by mwr some I don't mind the
1:35:35glasses so much now that that dude is
1:35:36dead
1:35:37yeah but he cracked his classes oh
1:35:40that's right yeah I know I know but
1:35:41he'll have to sell them instructor for
1:35:43so so uh before we go I want it I wanted
1:35:46to talk about p.m. some of the
1:35:48ramifications of of a later movies
1:35:52especially of surgery 32 this because i
1:35:54feel like in some ways star trek 3 kind
1:35:56of ruins the same movie
1:35:57hey ya know each other's let's fire is
1:36:00over
1:36:01four star trek through the search for
1:36:02spock fired fired off for me because I
1:36:04haven't seen it
1:36:05spoiler alert they find Spock they find
1:36:09their there there's one scene in that
1:36:12that absolutely kills me when they're on
1:36:14the Genesis planet and the Klingons are
1:36:15behind them and again another in depth
1:36:17captain and you're just going oh
1:36:19Klingon battlecruiser d close behind you
1:36:21want to throw up the shields
1:36:23nope no you learn nothing would do it so
1:36:25starkly here's the things that ruin I I
1:36:27don't want to get into starts at three
1:36:28but but like my criticism actually alien
1:36:313 where the first scene of alien 3 they
1:36:35wake up Ripley and they say oh yeah that
1:36:36girl that you saved in the first in the
1:36:38last movie she's dead
1:36:40everyone's dead so it sorry it was
1:36:42totally invalidates everything that
1:36:43happened in your previous movie let's
1:36:44start our new movie which is a big help
1:36:47to have any attachment to those guys
1:36:48yeah the middle finger to the audience
1:36:50so in star trek 3 what let's see what
1:36:52happens
1:36:53they bring back Spock so the sacrifice
1:36:55here I mean it's nice to have spot back
1:36:57he was in a bunch of other movies he was
1:36:58even in the new star trek movie but he's
1:37:01brought back which lessens his sacrifice
1:37:03a little bit the Genesis device turns
1:37:05out to be kind of a a scientific fraud
1:37:07where they used like unstable proto
1:37:10matter instead of so supersoft on your
1:37:12own matric Carol mark oue the new Star
1:37:15illegal rodeo matter
1:37:17well we could we wanted to get funds and
1:37:19Carol and her team are turning out to be
1:37:21kind of frauds David gets like stabbed
1:37:25in the back by a Klingon so Kirk son
1:37:27that he's met and had a understanding
1:37:30with now is is just dead and worst of
1:37:32all is that a sonic becomes a really
1:37:36awful actress it's true it's very
1:37:38strange but I think David getting killed
1:37:40is important because it sets of Star
1:37:42Trek 6i guess it from wearing future
1:37:45cardigans
1:37:45yeah true I i think it's unfortunate
1:37:48that they kill them off before they can
1:37:49really be more kind of like a
1:37:52interaction with with Kirk it does make
1:37:55you wonder what the point of that whole
1:37:56David thing was it's used later just
1:37:59like spot comes back might my wife was
1:38:01saying today that she prefers to think
1:38:03that that a spot died and then he came
1:38:07back and save the whales and what
1:38:09happened between men
1:38:11I don't know he's back
1:38:14yeah there we go back there was a lot of
1:38:16star trek 3 where I felt the unraveled
1:38:18everything that they built up in the
1:38:20second movie yeah and although i don't
1:38:22hate star trek 3 is a movie I I feel
1:38:24like it backtracked on many of the
1:38:26important things in star trek to and I
1:38:28would rather you know sort of think of
1:38:30star trek to as as the as it is and not
1:38:35about like all the things that they kind
1:38:37of backup because I don't want to think
1:38:37looking at the science team and the
1:38:39Genesis device that well it turns out it
1:38:41was all scientific fraud this whole
1:38:43thing was for nothing and now it's just
1:38:44a weapon and you know it was all just
1:38:47like really irresponsible and bad things
1:38:50and you know what was a weapon and by
1:38:52the way you know David Marcus was
1:38:55irresponsible on its worst part is going
1:38:57to have to use midi-chlorians in the
1:38:58yeah in the rocket mix mix in the
1:39:01medical reasons and so the other thing i
1:39:03want to mention before we go is the
1:39:04impact on future star trek's I feel like
1:39:06structure to is a little bit like
1:39:07Goldfinger was with James Bond movies
1:39:11which is it was so successful in so many
1:39:13ways that everything it almost every
1:39:15further movie in the series sort of
1:39:17tries to be this one like Goldfinger if
1:39:20you lie i've seen all the bond movies
1:39:22and it you know the first to bond movies
1:39:23are not at all really like gold finger
1:39:25and then Goldfinger's its broader and
1:39:27it's got a really wacky villain and you
1:39:29know and and and yeah and gadgets cars
1:39:33you have three further bond movie is
1:39:34sort of like trying to be Goldfinger to
1:39:36the template and star trek to you know
1:39:38not every star trek movie but many Star
1:39:41Trek movies to come our template today
1:39:44on star trek to including the JJ premise
1:39:47movie which you know has its not Stu and
1:39:49I I feel like it's interesting that this
1:39:51is the movie that became definitive and
1:39:55every you know every star trek movie
1:39:57afterward owes a huge amount to what was
1:40:00defined in this movie which is funny
1:40:02because it's not the first movie the
1:40:04first movie they just kind of like
1:40:05Michael said at the beginning just look
1:40:06back you know whatever but uh but this
1:40:09one keeps coming black like Star Trek
1:40:11six is almost like a replay of star trek
1:40:14to and a couple of this next-generation
1:40:17movies feel very much like Star Trek to
1:40:19and the JJ Abrams feels a lot like Star
1:40:21Trek to so I feel like you know and
1:40:23that's not a bad thing
1:40:24I think it's just interesting that this
1:40:26just like with Goldfinger it's almost
1:40:27like ah that let's do that again that
1:40:30was good that worked
1:40:31this is where we rebooted the franchise
1:40:33and this is where we started making
1:40:34money and we're just going to keep
1:40:36trying to make that movie over and over
1:40:37again it is it there was also a curse of
1:40:40the even-numbered movies being much
1:40:41better than the odd-numbered movies like
1:40:4313 and five as opposed to 24 yes
1:40:47oh yeah this is also the moment of like
1:40:49oh this is how you do a movie about TV
1:40:52characters like I got it
1:40:54we figured after that because if the
1:40:56successful star trek movies focus on the
1:40:59relationships between the the characters
1:41:01right so that's why the I think got this
1:41:04for instructor they figured that out the
1:41:07star trek it was kind of very clinical
1:41:09and coal right and there's a weird
1:41:11satellite thing yeah like who spoke has
1:41:14lost his emotions all chick and nobody
1:41:17knows what's going on with the weird
1:41:19balch eight eight hours long
1:41:21oh one other thing i have on my little
1:41:23list is is and it's funny because you
1:41:25mentioned the bulb the bulb lady
1:41:28i Leah from Star Trek the motion picture
1:41:29i wanted to mention again kirstie alley
1:41:32as slovak because I think this is
1:41:34probably the most effective new
1:41:36character introduced to the ensemble at
1:41:38any point in the original Star Trek I
1:41:41think I think it's a great character and
1:41:44I think that Kirstie Alley's performance
1:41:45is good and it's kind of a shame that I
1:41:48mean I joked about it they replace her
1:41:50with Robin Curtis I guess she didn't
1:41:52wanted to come back there was a salary
1:41:54dispute or something and Robin Curtis
1:41:56instructor is terrible and then we never
1:41:58see sonic again because it was a huge
1:41:59mistake and and it's kind of too bad in
1:42:02the sense that that that that character
1:42:04works really well and she feels like
1:42:06she's kind of part of the ensemble in a
1:42:08way that I don't think other characters
1:42:10did and I think they tried to bring her
1:42:12back in Star Trek 6 i'm assuming that
1:42:15the character that ends up game played
1:42:16by Kim control capture it's the same
1:42:19caster this road here they couldn't hold
1:42:21the pickle to Darren trick ya anymore
1:42:23they don't have anything sound nice avex
1:42:25we have so that's really smart
1:42:27it's smart that far into the star trek
1:42:29mythos to bring on a character who
1:42:31doesn't really know the ropes so that as
1:42:34you bring new people on particularly
1:42:36with with the
1:42:37movie bringing new people into the
1:42:38franchise to have somebody that can ask
1:42:41silly questions and bring up regulations
1:42:43that the track he's already knew by
1:42:44heart right was was pretty general order
1:42:46a team of course and it's one also to
1:42:48act as a foil for people who didn't grow
1:42:51up with the series to you know service
1:42:52the ass position exactly but i also like
1:42:54to see there is one scene in there which
1:42:56he quotes the General Order and it's not
1:42:57correct that tells you to shop it's
1:42:59pakka
1:43:00it's like he knows he knows that he
1:43:01knows nao and the Admirals familiar with
1:43:04the orders why you insolent little bit
1:43:06you don't have parents familiar with
1:43:08them enough to know that order 15 does
1:43:10not exist yeah exactly right that you
1:43:14just quoting orders and locking that bar
1:43:16right after the horse leaves but she's
1:43:18great she's great in this and it's just
1:43:20kind of a shame that this is this is
1:43:22that was her first role introducing
1:43:24Christian you and she did a good job
1:43:26it's sort of sad that but it's it's it's
1:43:28great in this movie so it's also a
1:43:30little creepy sex in the city and you
1:43:32see you know it's in Belarus yes can
1:43:35control yeah yeah that's true only
1:43:36reading wikipedia tells me that that
1:43:39character was supposed to be 7i think
1:43:41you run Barry objected to it because I
1:43:43don't want to spoil star trek 64 you
1:43:45know
1:43:48no you ruined starter x64 me but the
1:43:51character ends up being a trainer so
1:43:53gene roddenberry's like no uh-huh
1:43:56we can't have a beloved character be a
1:43:58trader the traitor and also apparently
1:44:00kim cattrall didn't want to be the third
1:44:01actress playing the second time I don't
1:44:03blame her i don't blame looks like being
1:44:05the fourth guarantee which assistance
1:44:07yeah that's right i have just one thing
1:44:09to say Jason yes it is very cold in
1:44:13Spain this is Ceti alpha five that's my
1:44:17problem
1:44:17how does he know an old Klingon proverb
1:44:21and is that he was really has been
1:44:23reading at the library on the enterprise
1:44:25before he got kicked that's right i was
1:44:28that not a thing though revenge's is
1:44:29best served cold until it was introduced
1:44:31by start record does that come from
1:44:33something else original it comes it
1:44:35comes from something else but that's
1:44:36sort of like you know you haven't heard
1:44:38Shakespearean so you've heard it done in
1:44:39the original try knocking on you it's
1:44:42all kind of display systems are the old
1:44:44the old Vulcan problem only Nixon could
1:44:46go
1:44:47it's a star trek exactly that's a Vulcan
1:44:49all ok you know it's the old i think jay
1:44:51leno right back when he was actually
1:44:53funny did this joke which was that the
1:44:55star trek you always have to have the
1:44:56ridiculous premise sold by the the
1:44:58legitimate premises so it's I'm sure
1:45:00you're all familiar with the works of
1:45:02Plato Socrates and creaminess of Rydell
1:45:05seven crap that's a little like that
1:45:08Star Trek logic that's just you got
1:45:11ahold of course the three are synonymous
1:45:12right it's Christmas
1:45:13maybe you yeah melville I yes I'll chase
1:45:18you around the Mutara nebula and her
1:45:21around predictions flame before I give
1:45:23him up he conned he had a lot of time
1:45:27reading that book me time oh and well
1:45:30this has been great so i wanna i want to
1:45:32thank you all for journeying into into
1:45:34the Mutara nebula with me
1:45:36yeah it's been great by the way you
1:45:38should check out the podcast that Khan
1:45:40did on the Botany Bay on what we take
1:45:42it's fantastic
1:45:43concast I know a little excessive for
1:45:47mitochondria it is it's a it ran two
1:45:49hours for something it you know it took
1:45:51like an hour and a half maybe an hour 42
1:45:54hridaya seriously the obsessive concast
1:45:57well so Steve lots you bloodsucker like
1:46:01like a poor marksman you keep missing
1:46:05the target
1:46:06thank you for being here I'll I'll dip
1:46:09into your Mutara nebula anytime and
1:46:11Scott McNulty I you have been and always
1:46:14shall be my friend
1:46:16oh thank you Jason I think we can we
1:46:19finally settled that Star Trek is far
1:46:21superior to start with yes we have been
1:46:24heavily settled that route with that
1:46:25scientific every night I think
1:46:27motion carried yes
1:46:29I approve and and Michael Gartenberg
1:46:34thank you for finally being on the
1:46:36podcast live long and prosper chase
1:46:39right that's right peace and long life
1:46:40to clean up on the ad old Klingon
1:46:44proverb until next time this is jason
1:46:47pretty uncomfortable
1:46:48thanks to everybody out there i feel
1:46:50young
1:47:07this is city on fire