The Incomparable

308: Is Winter Coming?


00:00:01   the incomparable number 310 eight july [TS]

00:00:06   2016 welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:11   incomparable i'm your host Jason style [TS]

00:00:13   we're here to talk about the TV season [TS]

00:00:16   on past now TV is to a sort of a 12 [TS]

00:00:18   month a year thing now but we like to [TS]

00:00:22   mark the end of the traditional TV [TS]

00:00:24   season we did an episode about all the [TS]

00:00:26   many superhero shows that are out there [TS]

00:00:28   but there's a lot more we usually at the [TS]

00:00:31   end of the game of thrones season we [TS]

00:00:33   talk about it so we're gonna we're gonna [TS]

00:00:34   do that tonight and we're also going to [TS]

00:00:37   talk about a bunch of other shows that [TS]

00:00:38   we liked over the last year basically [TS]

00:00:41   nine months a year that don't involve [TS]

00:00:44   superheroes basically so joining me to [TS]

00:00:47   talk about more TV from the past year [TS]

00:00:50   things that we liked and watched maybe [TS]

00:00:52   we didn't like them but we still watch [TS]

00:00:53   them that's a compulsion that happens [TS]

00:00:55   our might define panelist and more'n [TS]

00:00:58   hello hello [TS]

00:00:59   I thank you for turning away from TV [TS]

00:01:01   temporarily just to talk on a podcast [TS]

00:01:03   about TV [TS]

00:01:04   I literally finished a TV episode so [TS]

00:01:07   that i could come on to talk about TV [TS]

00:01:09   amazing amazing I is your commitment [TS]

00:01:12   you're welcome [TS]

00:01:14   only in Sims is also here hello hello [TS]

00:01:17   turns out you were saying on Twitter you [TS]

00:01:18   you watch a lot more TV than you thought [TS]

00:01:20   you did when you put the list together [TS]

00:01:22   yeah we I was frantically trying to like [TS]

00:01:25   us putting my going through itunes like [TS]

00:01:27   okay what if we purchased and I was like [TS]

00:01:29   oh we've spent more money on TV than I [TS]

00:01:31   thought we had so it's very exciting [TS]

00:01:34   yeah you lose track a little bit and [TS]

00:01:36   then you're reminded when it's time to [TS]

00:01:37   sum it up and you realize oh Erica and [TS]

00:01:40   signs also with us [TS]

00:01:41   hello hi yeah I've watch less TV than i [TS]

00:01:44   thought but i think i came up with two [TS]

00:01:46   shows that probably nobody else watched [TS]

00:01:48   all right but at least i watch something [TS]

00:01:50   gosh darn it it's good uh brian hamilton [TS]

00:01:53   is also here [TS]

00:01:53   hi brian i'm also quite out of the loop [TS]

00:01:55   when it comes to most TV but I've got [TS]

00:01:57   some unique things I don't think many [TS]

00:01:58   people are watching enough to talk about [TS]

00:02:00   my podcasts owe her a nice very nice [TS]

00:02:03   somebody who is the the one person here [TS]

00:02:06   who does not watch Game of Thrones but [TS]

00:02:08   he's here to talk about shows that [TS]

00:02:10   aren't game of thrones David lure hi I'm [TS]

00:02:12   just happy to say that winter is [TS]

00:02:14   here really inaccuracies yeah but yes i [TS]

00:02:19   have a nice list and also always joining [TS]

00:02:22   us for this season rap game of thrones [TS]

00:02:24   business is mr. John siracusa hi I'm [TS]

00:02:27   missing the last 10 minutes of the [TS]

00:02:29   second-to-last episode of asian car did [TS]

00:02:31   you know there are they became like to [TS]

00:02:32   our episodes at some point it's really [TS]

00:02:34   confusing and it's messing with my [TS]

00:02:35   scheduling but anyway that's a show I [TS]

00:02:37   watched the baby burn that off [TS]

00:02:40   basically it's sad that APC didn't have [TS]

00:02:42   a lot of commitment in it [TS]

00:02:44   alright so before we talk about Game of [TS]

00:02:46   Thrones for the second part of the of [TS]

00:02:48   the show and consult the show notes or [TS]

00:02:50   the chapter markers if you want to jump [TS]

00:02:51   to the game of thrones part not listen [TS]

00:02:54   to other things but i want to talk about [TS]

00:02:56   other shows that we watched that are we [TS]

00:02:59   weren't covered in the superhero episode [TS]

00:03:00   that we wanna do we wanna bring up and I [TS]

00:03:03   want to throw one out there first which [TS]

00:03:05   is one of the more notable shows that [TS]

00:03:07   the last year I i caught up on it after [TS]

00:03:09   the Golden Globe win for its a creator [TS]

00:03:14   and lead actress crazy ex-girlfriend on [TS]

00:03:17   the CW i thought was a real find of this [TS]

00:03:19   year a lot of fun name up a musical with [TS]

00:03:22   a funny title that made a turn a lot of [TS]

00:03:24   people off i think but a very smart [TS]

00:03:26   funny and self-aware musical series [TS]

00:03:31   comedy drama thing unlike many other [TS]

00:03:35   shows that are out there and I got [TS]

00:03:38   finally got caught up i watched all of [TS]

00:03:39   them and I thought it was great [TS]

00:03:41   I thought it was really great and i know [TS]

00:03:43   that some of the some of you have also [TS]

00:03:44   seen it John you you were praising crazy [TS]

00:03:48   ex-girlfriend I saw you and Rachel bloom [TS]

00:03:49   actually had a little Twitter exchange [TS]

00:03:51   which was kind of exciting [TS]

00:03:52   yeah we're besties yeah totally i was i [TS]

00:03:55   was charmed by it because I thought you [TS]

00:03:57   said is totally accurate i was totally [TS]

00:03:59   turned off by the title I didn't think [TS]

00:04:00   this this is not a show for me I thought [TS]

00:04:02   just didn't seem like something i would [TS]

00:04:04   be interested in but i also know nothing [TS]

00:04:06   about it other than the title so her [TS]

00:04:08   enough people raving about it and I [TS]

00:04:09   watched an episode of two and i was [TS]

00:04:12   surprised i was surprised by the singing [TS]

00:04:14   I was surprised by how clever it was and [TS]

00:04:15   how is in a different twist on the sort [TS]

00:04:18   of it's not it's not as cynical I think [TS]

00:04:21   as most comedies are and i'm not even [TS]

00:04:23   like a comedy sitcom kind of person [TS]

00:04:26   as it war on it's like there's a lot of [TS]

00:04:30   the more of the same so the charm kind [TS]

00:04:31   of wears off because a lot of it is the [TS]

00:04:33   the novelty of that but i don't think [TS]

00:04:35   the show actually gets any worse I think [TS]

00:04:37   it's just always going to be this and [TS]

00:04:39   it's gonna be yeah yeah episode after [TS]

00:04:41   episode of this but I still like it i [TS]

00:04:43   still enjoyed and I will keep watching [TS]

00:04:45   it its musical theater on TV so of [TS]

00:04:49   course i like it and yeah it's it's [TS]

00:04:52   uneven for the first two episodes 3 [TS]

00:04:55   episodes but it it finds its footing a [TS]

00:04:57   lot quicker than shows like cougar town [TS]

00:04:59   which also had a really unfortunate [TS]

00:05:01   title and turned into a pretty decent [TS]

00:05:03   show [TS]

00:05:03   yeah i was gonna throw don't trust the B [TS]

00:05:05   in apartment 23 with krysten ritter is [TS]

00:05:07   another example of a show that I [TS]

00:05:08   literally didn't watch because i didn't [TS]

00:05:10   notice but I looked at the title i'm [TS]

00:05:11   like yeah I that's not for me and I [TS]

00:05:13   actually thought that was gonna be the [TS]

00:05:14   premise of this show too and it's like [TS]

00:05:15   it turns out these premises these titles [TS]

00:05:18   can like they're notable and yet they [TS]

00:05:20   can shoot down there show ya just about [TS]

00:05:23   yeah but it's it's charming i mean the [TS]

00:05:26   just the videos I've sent people to the [TS]

00:05:28   videos of the songs just to say this is [TS]

00:05:31   what you could see weekly and you know [TS]

00:05:34   you've got Rachel bloom and Adam [TS]

00:05:36   schlessinger of fountains of wayne [TS]

00:05:38   writing music yeah and not just in one [TS]

00:05:40   style I mean they're hitting and you [TS]

00:05:43   know decades of of styles here and [TS]

00:05:46   nailing pretty much every one of them [TS]

00:05:48   which you know it takes it takes cojones [TS]

00:05:52   to do a fake music man song and do it [TS]

00:05:55   that well I am impressed by the fact [TS]

00:05:57   that the there are moments where I i see [TS]

00:06:01   where they're going in terms of the [TS]

00:06:03   clichés and then I'm surprised because [TS]

00:06:05   I just assume they're falling into the [TS]

00:06:06   clichés that they don't I i like the [TS]

00:06:09   fact that the object of her of her [TS]

00:06:11   affection [TS]

00:06:12   josh is not i would say a character that [TS]

00:06:16   you see a lot on television in that he [TS]

00:06:19   is not the sharpest tool in the shed but [TS]

00:06:22   he he's a but he's a nice like a [TS]

00:06:25   genuinely nice guy and I think it's an [TS]

00:06:27   interesting combination that usually in [TS]

00:06:28   a soapy kind of story that guy is either [TS]

00:06:32   just a super amazing dream boat or he's [TS]

00:06:34   a CAD and this guy is not either of [TS]

00:06:37   those things he's just a dude [TS]

00:06:39   who is / is very nice but not [TS]

00:06:43   necessarily close to as smart as Rachel [TS]

00:06:47   blooms character is so I thought that [TS]

00:06:49   was interesting i I'm my own frustration [TS]

00:06:51   with the show was probably that I felt [TS]

00:06:53   like again that they set up a lot of [TS]

00:06:55   things that seem fairly obvious as [TS]

00:06:57   directions they were going in and then [TS]

00:06:58   seemed over the course of the season to [TS]

00:07:00   not be sure whether they wanted to steer [TS]

00:07:02   into the slide or away from the slide [TS]

00:07:05   like do we go against what we set up or [TS]

00:07:07   do we go with what we set up and in the [TS]

00:07:10   the relationships of the various [TS]

00:07:12   characters over the course of the season [TS]

00:07:14   that was the part where I thought it was [TS]

00:07:15   kind of strange where it's like I see in [TS]

00:07:18   4 episode was like I see what's gonna [TS]

00:07:19   happen she's gonna move to California [TS]

00:07:21   and because that's the premise of the [TS]

00:07:23   show the woman who's a lawyer in New [TS]

00:07:25   York is very unhappy with California [TS]

00:07:27   where her ex-boyfriend from Camp lives [TS]

00:07:29   and there are lots of songs and she [TS]

00:07:32   tries to pretend that she's not a [TS]

00:07:33   stalker which she kinda is but it's very [TS]

00:07:36   clear from the beginning that she's [TS]

00:07:37   gonna end up with the cynical bartender [TS]

00:07:40   and not the dream boy because that can't [TS]

00:07:43   be real and throughout the season it [TS]

00:07:45   feels like not like a clever will wonder [TS]

00:07:48   what is my expectation about this [TS]

00:07:49   relationship but more like they can't [TS]

00:07:52   decide whether they're gonna go with the [TS]

00:07:53   one guy or the other guy or what [TS]

00:07:56   and that that part III did feel like [TS]

00:07:58   almost like the writers just didn't know [TS]

00:08:00   what they wanted to do but it's a it's a [TS]

00:08:03   relatively minor quibble there's a whole [TS]

00:08:05   episode where they're trapped in a party [TS]

00:08:07   bus and it is the least exciting party [TS]

00:08:09   bus ever as they go to the beach [TS]

00:08:12   yeah it'sit's I i highly recommend it's [TS]

00:08:14   available on streaming now I think just [TS]

00:08:16   just went up on for streaming on netflix [TS]

00:08:20   maybe so young people check it out to [TS]

00:08:23   your point David I know nothing about [TS]

00:08:25   the show but I've seen settle for me [TS]

00:08:26   about 10-15 times just because the song [TS]

00:08:28   so fantastic and I thought oh ok yeah [TS]

00:08:31   this is AI know sitcom and they do a [TS]

00:08:33   cute little musical scene here I no idea [TS]

00:08:35   was a musical until just now so thanks [TS]

00:08:37   for selling me on it [TS]

00:08:38   oh yeah I mean there's there's a song [TS]

00:08:39   look up cold shower which is basically [TS]

00:08:42   you got trouble from the music man there [TS]

00:08:45   is a song that I [TS]

00:08:46   no entirely too many women have told me [TS]

00:08:49   this is their life a song called heavy [TS]

00:08:52   boobs sure yeah oh yeah that's a great [TS]

00:08:54   song that's an amazing zone its and it's [TS]

00:08:57   catchy as hell [TS]

00:08:58   oh god yes ya know it it is there [TS]

00:09:01   they're like to at least I basically [TS]

00:09:02   there to musical numbers every episode [TS]

00:09:04   is an hour long show which every time I [TS]

00:09:06   watch it I think it's going to be a half [TS]

00:09:08   hour because it's kind of comedy but [TS]

00:09:09   it's it's not into hour-long show so [TS]

00:09:12   it's breezy and and on Monday nights it [TS]

00:09:14   was a nice pairing with Jane the Virgin [TS]

00:09:16   it was yes [TS]

00:09:18   not the same kind of whimsy but two [TS]

00:09:21   shows that that sort of hit that sort of [TS]

00:09:23   perfect level of whimsy and just go with [TS]

00:09:27   it [TS]

00:09:28   I kind of wish that there are more songs [TS]

00:09:29   in it like maybe an ingredient maybe [TS]

00:09:31   it's kind of like the budget is showing [TS]

00:09:32   because it's like it's hard to come up [TS]

00:09:33   with it even looks and songs per episode [TS]

00:09:36   and they just don't have the time or [TS]

00:09:38   money to get more than that but because [TS]

00:09:40   they are so good it's like how much the [TS]

00:09:41   whole show is like this and had just you [TS]

00:09:43   know like an actual music me like brief [TS]

00:09:44   brief moments of non-music in between [TS]

00:09:47   just to set up the next musical number [TS]

00:09:48   but instead there's lots of regular TV [TS]

00:09:50   show in there and the regular TV show is [TS]

00:09:52   like Jason's that kind of silly and a [TS]

00:09:54   lot of will they won't they [TS]

00:09:55   but at I think it's nice in that all of [TS]

00:09:58   the characters are messed up in some way [TS]

00:10:00   not a seinfeld way where everybody is [TS]

00:10:02   just a terrible person but that [TS]

00:10:03   everybody even the nice guy josh is not [TS]

00:10:06   like og perfect nice guy like everybody [TS]

00:10:09   has their hang-ups everybody has their [TS]

00:10:10   issues nobody is purely good nobody's [TS]

00:10:12   purely bed which I think helps them with [TS]

00:10:14   the thing they have to do to keep these [TS]

00:10:16   balls in here you can't have it resolved [TS]

00:10:17   because then the show is over [TS]

00:10:19   it helps you understand why might [TS]

00:10:21   someone be indecisive and why my people [TS]

00:10:23   not be able to find each other because [TS]

00:10:25   everybody's messed up in some way in the [TS]

00:10:26   show and you know it's it's kind of a [TS]

00:10:29   reverse like tomatoes a little later [TS]

00:10:32   like a reverse of the typical thing [TS]

00:10:33   where it's not a show for women but the [TS]

00:10:36   show with actual women characters which [TS]

00:10:38   is now sort of it in the current context [TS]

00:10:40   coded as a woman's show and then the men [TS]

00:10:43   are the love interests and it's like [TS]

00:10:46   nice to see the love interest to [TS]

00:10:47   actually be real characters instead of [TS]

00:10:48   his cardboard cutouts like josh is a [TS]

00:10:50   person who has good things and bad [TS]

00:10:52   things about them and what's-his-name [TS]

00:10:53   bartender guy [TS]

00:10:54   it has bad things about him but it's [TS]

00:10:56   also a nice guy on top of that and [TS]

00:10:58   instead of them just being defined by [TS]

00:10:59   their [TS]

00:10:59   the color or whatever you like you you [TS]

00:11:02   just you just mentally genderswap this [TS]

00:11:04   whole show it becomes a lot more [TS]

00:11:05   conventional but it's not it's actually [TS]

00:11:07   the other way around um and it's and [TS]

00:11:09   it's good for for a silly musical comedy [TS]

00:11:12   thing to have characters there you know [TS]

00:11:15   obviously silly but imbued with a tiny [TS]

00:11:18   bit of humanity both good and bad it's [TS]

00:11:21   it's pretty novel it's it's refreshing [TS]

00:11:23   and and E is science fiction fans might [TS]

00:11:27   know Rachel bloom before this for a song [TS]

00:11:30   she wrote about Ray Bradbury yes that [TS]

00:11:32   was nominated for hugo award the other [TS]

00:11:35   thing i wanted to say was that uh [TS]

00:11:36   there's a there's a there's some [TS]

00:11:38   interesting relationship dynamics [TS]

00:11:40   there's a strong relationship between [TS]

00:11:42   Rachel blues character and her a buddy [TS]

00:11:45   who works at the at the law firm that I [TS]

00:11:49   think is an interesting and and for [TS]

00:11:50   television more unconventional [TS]

00:11:52   relationship of two women who are who [TS]

00:11:56   are our best pals and become kind of [TS]

00:11:59   best pals on the spot and there's [TS]

00:12:00   weirdness in their relationship but it's [TS]

00:12:01   actually kind of great and the guy who [TS]

00:12:03   runs the law firm is a fantastic [TS]

00:12:05   character who discovers he's bisexual [TS]

00:12:07   about halfway through and there is a [TS]

00:12:09   song about that too [TS]

00:12:11   oh yes there is and it's great it's so [TS]

00:12:14   great so anyway it's a it's a good show [TS]

00:12:16   highly recommended what else anybody [TS]

00:12:19   else wanna throw out some show that [TS]

00:12:21   they've been like in the last year that [TS]

00:12:22   they want to talk about a little bit in [TS]

00:12:24   the same thing as when I gather from [TS]

00:12:25   crazy ex-girlfriend i'm really enjoying [TS]

00:12:27   younger which is another show that you [TS]

00:12:30   would not expect from something like TV [TS]

00:12:32   land but it's a really great show in [TS]

00:12:34   terms of real characters are doing real [TS]

00:12:36   things and actually you know it it [TS]

00:12:39   doesn't feel as fake as something like [TS]

00:12:41   Seinfeld it's it's nice to see a TV Land [TS]

00:12:44   evolving beyond hot in cleveland not [TS]

00:12:46   that there's anything necessarily wrong [TS]

00:12:48   with hot in cleveland [TS]

00:12:50   but but they're aiming at a broader [TS]

00:12:52   demographic they're not hanging at you [TS]

00:12:55   know 18 to 34 they're interested in [TS]

00:12:58   shows that human beings which is kind of [TS]

00:13:01   a shift for them some i'm curious to see [TS]

00:13:04   where that goes but it but younger is [TS]

00:13:06   like the first of the new the new wave [TS]

00:13:08   of TV Land shows [TS]

00:13:10   mm ali what about you some their show [TS]

00:13:13   out there that you [TS]

00:13:13   that you've been watching that you've [TS]

00:13:14   this is not a draft by the way I just [TS]

00:13:17   trying to draw people out nobody wins [TS]

00:13:20   there no winners here we're all winners [TS]

00:13:21   yeah overall winners they're all for [TS]

00:13:24   losers [TS]

00:13:24   yeah all winners around here at Steven [TS]

00:13:27   universe Steven universe is maybe my [TS]

00:13:31   favorite show ever [TS]

00:13:33   at this point and it's a cartoon it's a [TS]

00:13:36   cartoon networkcartoon and it's goofy [TS]

00:13:40   but it's it's it's so cute and heartfelt [TS]

00:13:45   in science fiction and fantasy all at [TS]

00:13:48   the same time and it has really strong [TS]

00:13:52   pro lgbtq+ themes and and its really [TS]

00:13:58   positive in a way that especially around [TS]

00:14:01   those types of things like I feel like [TS]

00:14:03   you know we get at things are getting [TS]

00:14:06   better definitely but but we talk about [TS]

00:14:08   the LGBTQ community and people who [TS]

00:14:11   belong in that community become [TS]

00:14:12   punchlines often times and it totally [TS]

00:14:15   completely not in Steven universe and [TS]

00:14:18   it's got songs so so speaking of [TS]

00:14:21   musicals and there are not every episode [TS]

00:14:24   but a lot of episodes have songs a lot [TS]

00:14:26   of ukulele and it's just it's it's a [TS]

00:14:30   neat ride and they're easy to watch [TS]

00:14:33   their you know like 11 minute episodes [TS]

00:14:35   and so few by mana and itunes you get [TS]

00:14:39   you know two episodes per dollar [TS]

00:14:41   whatever three dollars or however much [TS]

00:14:43   it is and so yes Steven universe super [TS]

00:14:49   super Levitt my computer's named garnet [TS]

00:14:51   after one of the characters and it's [TS]

00:14:54   it's just it's it's wonderful it's [TS]

00:14:56   beautiful i have not watched much anime [TS]

00:14:59   but from what i gather about the enemy [TS]

00:15:01   scene and my friends who are also to [TS]

00:15:02   Steven universe and anime the fact that [TS]

00:15:06   the characters grow in the way that they [TS]

00:15:08   do after a very light season one in two [TS]

00:15:11   seasons two and three where we are now [TS]

00:15:12   things have gotten very heavy and play [TS]

00:15:15   on expectations that Phoenix established [TS]

00:15:17   in the first season that blows my mind [TS]

00:15:20   in a way that I've not seen before and I [TS]

00:15:21   gather that's the way that a lot of [TS]

00:15:22   anime works you can tell that Rebecca [TS]

00:15:25   sugar and her crew are [TS]

00:15:26   super super into anime and another point [TS]

00:15:28   about the songs you mentioned a lien [TS]

00:15:29   they're not every episode [TS]

00:15:31   it doesn't feel like a stick to me that [TS]

00:15:33   facing and again not to say that crazy [TS]

00:15:35   ex-girlfriend is but I would not call [TS]

00:15:37   Steven universe of musical right now [TS]

00:15:39   cartoon show where people happen to sing [TS]

00:15:41   whenever they feel like it which is a [TS]

00:15:43   really nice change of pace where you [TS]

00:15:45   don't always expect a song but when it [TS]

00:15:47   comes you don't feel like I feel a song [TS]

00:15:50   coming on you feel like it's warranted [TS]

00:15:52   and that whatever they have to say is [TS]

00:15:54   better said song i love it i love this [TS]

00:15:57   episode of the uncomfortable is brought [TS]

00:15:59   to you by the zombies run virtual race [TS]

00:16:02   now running helps you get fit but it can [TS]

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00:16:07   running I need things to focus my mind [TS]

00:16:09   this is a virtual race that makes [TS]

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00:17:15   run a virtual race on zombies run and [TS]

00:17:17   the satisfaction rate is ninety-nine [TS]

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00:17:25   to zombies run virtual race for [TS]

00:17:27   sponsoring the incomparable one else [TS]

00:17:30   dan you got anything that you want to [TS]

00:17:32   throw out there [TS]

00:17:34   well I think this was a year that [TS]

00:17:35   started for me with a couple other [TS]

00:17:37   sitcoms that I act [TS]

00:17:39   really got to enjoy which were mostly [TS]

00:17:42   cancelled which was kind of a bummer but [TS]

00:17:45   on Fox i was watching a grandfather and [TS]

00:17:47   the grinder here actually ended up being [TS]

00:17:50   a pair of pretty good sitcom at the [TS]

00:17:52   grinder [TS]

00:17:53   I feel like the fundamental problem of [TS]

00:17:54   the grinder was that it was a great [TS]

00:17:57   premise it had some great cast [TS]

00:17:59   there was no way in hell it was going to [TS]

00:18:01   be extensible passed a first season and [TS]

00:18:06   they had some trouble getting the rest [TS]

00:18:08   of the cast into that but some of the [TS]

00:18:10   premises of that show which is [TS]

00:18:12   essentially the idea being Rob Lowe is a [TS]

00:18:14   an actor who has played a super-famous [TS]

00:18:17   like lawyer on a lawyer TV show comes [TS]

00:18:19   back to his hometown in idaho where his [TS]

00:18:23   brother played by fred savage and let's [TS]

00:18:25   just applaud that casting there for a [TS]

00:18:27   moment is a real lawyer and decides I've [TS]

00:18:31   basically been a super famous TV lawyer [TS]

00:18:33   for several years [TS]

00:18:34   I can totally be a real lawyer and some [TS]

00:18:38   of the most brilliant parts that were [TS]

00:18:40   interspersing clips from the show that [TS]

00:18:43   he's on which is actually which is also [TS]

00:18:44   called the grinder and dealing with sort [TS]

00:18:48   of like just bizarre over-the-top bits [TS]

00:18:52   of this you know like that are kind of [TS]

00:18:54   all tropes and references to all these [TS]

00:18:56   legal like ridiculously old dramas and [TS]

00:19:00   they developed a very strong supporting [TS]

00:19:01   cast there were some really good gags [TS]

00:19:05   going on throughout the season i [TS]

00:19:06   actually won't spoil the last the last [TS]

00:19:10   episode of it but i think it does a [TS]

00:19:11   great job of sort of bringing the whole [TS]

00:19:13   thing all the way around and and there's [TS]

00:19:17   a particularly brilliant arc in the [TS]

00:19:19   middle of the season or so with Timothy [TS]

00:19:22   Olyphant who comes on and basically [TS]

00:19:24   plays the guy they have cast to replace [TS]

00:19:26   him like his long-lost brother on the [TS]

00:19:28   new version of the show they're [TS]

00:19:29   rebooting and he has some serious [TS]

00:19:32   community chops in there any plays [TS]

00:19:34   timothy oliver yes he plays himself [TS]

00:19:35   playing yes yes as the you as the person [TS]

00:19:39   cast to replace Rob Lowe's character it [TS]

00:19:43   is incredibly meta the only things that [TS]

00:19:46   really bugged me about it were that I [TS]

00:19:48   felt so bad for the fred savage [TS]

00:19:49   character it was like we all [TS]

00:19:52   so he's saying and everybody else kinda [TS]

00:19:54   buys into the you know Rob Lowe's [TS]

00:19:55   reality distortion field and you're all [TS]

00:19:59   just you spend a lot of time going like [TS]

00:20:00   what why aren't you paying more [TS]

00:20:02   attention to the same single guy but [TS]

00:20:06   some very strong supporting work from a [TS]

00:20:09   lot of the characteristic the kids in [TS]

00:20:11   Fred savages the the actors who played [TS]

00:20:13   his kids are pretty great and it's [TS]

00:20:17   definitely kind of addictive in terms of [TS]

00:20:19   you'll find yourself saying something [TS]

00:20:21   like Rob Lowe always constantly has [TS]

00:20:23   these catch phrases that make no sense [TS]

00:20:25   that people say like well you know oh we [TS]

00:20:27   can't we can't see this guy and he'll [TS]

00:20:30   just be like but what if we could [TS]

00:20:31   anything feel like that doesn't mean [TS]

00:20:33   anything you don't it'll just keep [TS]

00:20:35   rolling with it it's it's entertaining [TS]

00:20:38   grandfathered i really liked as well [TS]

00:20:40   which was John Stamos who plays sort of [TS]

00:20:43   you know he's turning 50 and he's a [TS]

00:20:45   restaurant her in LA and he's like [TS]

00:20:47   really you know black bachelor he's got [TS]

00:20:49   a life together and then discovers that [TS]

00:20:51   this you know woman that he had a [TS]

00:20:53   relationship with when he was much [TS]

00:20:55   younger I had a kid who is now growing [TS]

00:20:58   up and is now has a kid of his own so he [TS]

00:21:00   was in fact a grandfather and it ended [TS]

00:21:03   up being a really sweet heartfelt show [TS]

00:21:05   that was able to straddle that line of [TS]

00:21:09   like it just delivered all sort of like [TS]

00:21:11   you know really solid sitcom premise [TS]

00:21:13   that wasn't over Warren was was funny [TS]

00:21:18   and managed to be touching and sweet at [TS]

00:21:20   the same time and some great fantastic [TS]

00:21:24   performances there especially from paget [TS]

00:21:26   Brewster and Ravi Patel and a lot of [TS]

00:21:32   other great sort of supporting [TS]

00:21:34   characters there and and you know John [TS]

00:21:35   Stamos see again once again great [TS]

00:21:37   casting you find a role that John Stamos [TS]

00:21:39   was basically born to play which is the [TS]

00:21:43   basic totally self-absorbed but also [TS]

00:21:46   clearly like trying to deny that he is [TS]

00:21:48   turning 50 so yeah I think both of those [TS]

00:21:51   were were great if i had had the if I [TS]

00:21:54   had been called up by the Fox president [TS]

00:21:56   asked which one to save I probably would [TS]

00:21:58   have picked grandfathered if only [TS]

00:22:00   because i feel like there was more [TS]

00:22:01   potential for growth in there but you [TS]

00:22:04   know [TS]

00:22:04   at one season each I feel like there was [TS]

00:22:07   a is a pretty solid show that you could [TS]

00:22:09   go watching and enjoy and have a good [TS]

00:22:11   time with yeah i mean i'm i'm certainly [TS]

00:22:13   going to get the grinder on DVD just [TS]

00:22:15   because it was so enjoyable but exactly [TS]

00:22:18   i don't i don't see where it is in [TS]

00:22:21   season 3 season 4 but as a single season [TS]

00:22:25   it's gonna be one of those like classic [TS]

00:22:28   one season shows I fendi I'm if nothing [TS]

00:22:31   else worth it for the episodes also [TS]

00:22:32   where Jason Alexander plays the [TS]

00:22:34   basically the executive producer of the [TS]

00:22:37   show within a show who tries to lure Rob [TS]

00:22:39   Lowe back and there's a fantastic scene [TS]

00:22:42   where they're saying well you know all [TS]

00:22:43   the network it'll network loved in the [TS]

00:22:45   ratings you know all this stuff but none [TS]

00:22:47   of that's really important we both know [TS]

00:22:49   what really matters a Rob Lowe nods [TS]

00:22:51   knowingly and says what the fans are [TS]

00:22:53   saying on Twitter so if you have the [TS]

00:22:56   yeah the wish fulfillment aspect of all [TS]

00:22:59   people paying attention to what the rest [TS]

00:23:01   of us silly people think of these shows [TS]

00:23:03   it does a nice job of sort of satirizing [TS]

00:23:07   a lot of that Erica do you have anything [TS]

00:23:09   or you just here to talk about swords & [TS]

00:23:11   Dragons well you know I thought I was [TS]

00:23:13   just here to talk about swords & Dragons [TS]

00:23:14   but then I realized that there were a [TS]

00:23:16   couple things that I had watched they [TS]

00:23:17   just ended longer ago long enough ago [TS]

00:23:20   that my brain had forgotten about them i [TS]

00:23:22   watch the last season of The Good Wife [TS]

00:23:24   which I know Scott watches but he's not [TS]

00:23:27   here to talk about is naughty again it's [TS]

00:23:30   got but I I enjoyed most of the season [TS]

00:23:36   I think this is a show i started [TS]

00:23:37   watching with season five and never felt [TS]

00:23:39   the need to go back and watch anything [TS]

00:23:40   earlier so I've really been enjoying it [TS]

00:23:42   since season five and there has been a [TS]

00:23:45   subplot that has popped up for the last [TS]

00:23:47   couple seasons with the NSA tapping [TS]

00:23:49   Alicia's the main characters phone and [TS]

00:23:52   listening in on her life and basically [TS]

00:23:54   treating it like a soap opera right [TS]

00:23:55   which is very meta because you know [TS]

00:23:57   that's that's what we the audience are [TS]

00:23:59   doing training like soap opera and just [TS]

00:24:00   kind of watching and listening in and [TS]

00:24:03   and that was fun that that popped up [TS]

00:24:04   again and I except for the episode that [TS]

00:24:07   took place in canada was very fun [TS]

00:24:10   yeah they did please please do not have [TS]

00:24:13   American actors try to do canadian [TS]

00:24:15   accents just don't [TS]

00:24:17   I feel very strongly about this now that [TS]

00:24:19   I live here yeah it's just all kinds of [TS]

00:24:21   wrong the last the very last episode I [TS]

00:24:25   don't really know how most people felt [TS]

00:24:27   about it because I didn't take to [TS]

00:24:28   Twitter and look around and find out [TS]

00:24:30   I myself was not particularly a fan I [TS]

00:24:32   think maybe it worked better if you've [TS]

00:24:34   been watching the show from the very [TS]

00:24:36   beginning because the last seen sort of [TS]

00:24:37   mirrors of their very first scene and I [TS]

00:24:40   read about it afterwards and it makes [TS]

00:24:41   sense and i think i can understand it [TS]

00:24:43   but it was one of those endings that [TS]

00:24:46   wasn't much of an ending and we left [TS]

00:24:49   unless things very open-ended things you [TS]

00:24:52   know there's there's a great big love [TS]

00:24:53   story kind of at the center of the last [TS]

00:24:55   couple of seasons they years ago killed [TS]

00:24:58   off the main love interest which was [TS]

00:25:00   apparently a big deal that was actually [TS]

00:25:02   what got me to start watching the show [TS]

00:25:03   like that's a bold move i wanna i wanna [TS]

00:25:05   see what what the rest of this show is [TS]

00:25:07   like and I completely fell for the guy [TS]

00:25:09   that she also felt for later on and [TS]

00:25:11   there's no official resolution to what [TS]

00:25:14   happens with him and I I like a [TS]

00:25:17   beginning a middle and the end and gosh [TS]

00:25:18   darn it [TS]

00:25:19   and there was no no real end I don't [TS]

00:25:21   want open-endedness at the ends of my my [TS]

00:25:24   series when that happens so I was a [TS]

00:25:25   little bit sad said with that so in my [TS]

00:25:28   headcanon that last episode never [TS]

00:25:30   happened to know worked out a very very [TS]

00:25:32   different way in my mind and the other [TS]

00:25:35   show that I watched i'm not actually [TS]

00:25:37   even sure that I am completely caught up [TS]

00:25:39   on it but watched most of season 2 of [TS]

00:25:42   stitches which is a show on freeform [TS]

00:25:44   which I gather is what ABC family turned [TS]

00:25:47   into yes and it's it is about what you [TS]

00:25:49   would expect from a science-fiction show [TS]

00:25:52   on ABC Family now free form it has it [TS]

00:25:55   has the budget that you would expect for [TS]

00:25:57   a show like that they are clearly not [TS]

00:25:59   hiring like the most first-rate writers [TS]

00:26:01   in the world they're they're people who [TS]

00:26:03   i think you know some of them may have a [TS]

00:26:05   future but they need to work on making [TS]

00:26:07   their characters believable and in many [TS]

00:26:09   cases likable even for the main [TS]

00:26:11   characters but even so it has charmed me [TS]

00:26:14   enough to keep watching it is a [TS]

00:26:15   ridiculous premise where the the main [TS]

00:26:19   character who is a skinny blonde white [TS]

00:26:21   girl has to get in to this like tight [TS]

00:26:26   black leather looking cat suit thing and [TS]

00:26:28   it does herself in a pool of water [TS]

00:26:31   in order to dip into people's dead [TS]

00:26:34   people's memories to solve crimes but of [TS]

00:26:37   course it's not just to solve crimes [TS]

00:26:39   there's this mysterious backstory with a [TS]

00:26:41   government agency that's all shadow and [TS]

00:26:42   there's stuff going on with her father [TS]

00:26:44   who's alive or maybe not [TS]

00:26:47   and people keep dying and it's it is it [TS]

00:26:50   is completely ridiculous i'm not gonna [TS]

00:26:52   strongly recommend that people go and [TS]

00:26:54   check it out but if you're looking for [TS]

00:26:55   something that's just kind of like mine [TS]

00:26:57   candy and easy to watch and if you [TS]

00:27:01   really want to see a show sort of pick [TS]

00:27:03   itself up off the ground and improve a [TS]

00:27:06   yeah start at the first season and then [TS]

00:27:07   catching the second think it's so much [TS]

00:27:10   better [TS]

00:27:11   yeah so stitchers it's it's ridiculous [TS]

00:27:14   but it's ridiculous in in a fun way for [TS]

00:27:17   me anyway she has to put on the leather [TS]

00:27:19   catsuit to solve crimes [TS]

00:27:21   so you know they they upgraded their [TS]

00:27:22   first season 2 it was it for her [TS]

00:27:24   nice nice yeah the freeform kicked into [TS]

00:27:27   the zipper budget tonight oxys and of [TS]

00:27:30   course she keeps it like way too low and [TS]

00:27:32   like i'll come on show your ridiculous [TS]

00:27:34   she does thats to get the memories in [TS]

00:27:36   there [TS]

00:27:37   let's go sure that I'm sure that's a [TS]

00:27:39   shimmery through your skin [TS]

00:27:40   allene what what other shows you want to [TS]

00:27:43   mention before we move along and ok so [TS]

00:27:46   the last season of Downton Abbey yeah [TS]

00:27:51   I've been watching the 100 it's a show [TS]

00:27:54   that I like and hate at the same time [TS]

00:27:56   and but what I really like about it is [TS]

00:27:59   that a for the most part the female [TS]

00:28:03   characters the women in the show have [TS]

00:28:05   agency and are calling the shots which [TS]

00:28:07   is unusual for kind of a dystopian [TS]

00:28:09   sci-fi type show and I don't know I know [TS]

00:28:12   John's been watching it too i don't know [TS]

00:28:14   if he has things to say hi I think it's [TS]

00:28:16   a great interesting show because a [TS]

00:28:17   setting aside the end-of-the-world stuff [TS]

00:28:19   that I always loved it's kind of why I [TS]

00:28:22   don't know if I believe you would [TS]

00:28:24   categorize that way but I think about [TS]

00:28:25   the dealership even though the actors [TS]

00:28:27   all look like they're in their twenties [TS]

00:28:28   they're supposed to be like under-18 [TS]

00:28:29   that's why they were in the the jail or [TS]

00:28:31   whatever in the beginning of you know [TS]

00:28:33   they're all supposed to be teenagers and [TS]

00:28:35   the show loves to sideline the adults [TS]

00:28:37   like in theory like that the premises [TS]

00:28:40   you know they separate the teams from [TS]

00:28:41   the adults and it's like okay what teams [TS]

00:28:42   are on [TS]

00:28:42   it's like lord of the flies but then the [TS]

00:28:44   you-know-what all spoiler alert i think [TS]

00:28:47   it then the teens and adults are [TS]

00:28:48   together in the later part of the show [TS]

00:28:50   but the teens are still kind of in [TS]

00:28:52   charge so it's like totally yaa where [TS]

00:28:54   you imagine the grown-ups is there not a [TS]

00:28:57   bunch of doofuses like their their [TS]

00:28:58   characters and they're smart and they're [TS]

00:28:59   competent everything to but to a degree [TS]

00:29:02   that is a little bit unrealistic unless [TS]

00:29:04   you consider the whole thing to be yaa [TS]

00:29:05   the kids are running the show and then [TS]

00:29:08   the other aspects likely inside is the [TS]

00:29:10   the women in the show it's it's [TS]

00:29:13   basically just parody or maybe just [TS]

00:29:15   barely parody but it comes off in the in [TS]

00:29:18   the environment that this is being [TS]

00:29:19   released into as startling in how you [TS]

00:29:23   know how can the main characters of a [TS]

00:29:25   show be women is not impossible like [TS]

00:29:27   shouldn't the main character every [TS]

00:29:29   single show be men and this show for all [TS]

00:29:31   its you know sort of silly you know why [TS]

00:29:35   a high school atmosphere in a grim [TS]

00:29:38   situation shows that you can actually [TS]

00:29:40   have one show on television where women [TS]

00:29:43   of the main characters in the world was [TS]

00:29:44   an end and so I find that not all over [TS]

00:29:46   the world actually did end but that was [TS]

00:29:47   prior to the show be part of the beating [TS]

00:29:50   the show it's not post world ending a [TS]

00:29:52   yeah and there's also a positive [TS]

00:29:55   portrayal of LGBTQ relationships and [TS]

00:29:57   that too [TS]

00:29:58   I'm which is another thing I appreciate [TS]

00:29:59   about but also of course the infamous [TS]

00:30:01   killing of a of a character that led to [TS]

00:30:04   a a whole feeling of outrage in the same [TS]

00:30:07   community and I'll i think frank [TS]

00:30:09   discussion on the internet by the [TS]

00:30:11   creators and TV critics and I think a [TS]

00:30:13   lot of people learned a lot and I think [TS]

00:30:15   maybe a lot of writers in the TV [TS]

00:30:18   business maybe realized that there's a [TS]

00:30:20   cliché that they didn't realize was a [TS]

00:30:22   cliché because they weren't paying [TS]

00:30:23   attention to it so there's a lot of [TS]

00:30:25   conversation about probably not what the [TS]

00:30:28   producers the 100 wanted to talk about [TS]

00:30:29   which was how they wrote out a character [TS]

00:30:31   who was because the actor was going to [TS]

00:30:33   it be a regular on a different show but [TS]

00:30:36   that was definitely a big part of the [TS]

00:30:37   story of the hundred this year and [TS]

00:30:39   that's why diverse writing rooms matter [TS]

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00:32:03   clutter get like splash thanks to like [TS]

00:32:05   spice for sponsoring the incomparable [TS]

00:32:07   the other big one I want to mention as I [TS]

00:32:09   zombie-like i watch The Walking Dead and [TS]

00:32:11   you know things that everybody else [TS]

00:32:12   watches too but I love iZombie I learned [TS]

00:32:14   about the premise of the show and was [TS]

00:32:16   like this is totally not for me it's [TS]

00:32:19   like just it's just not for me and then [TS]

00:32:22   when it came to at Netflix and my friend [TS]

00:32:25   Steve Lucas was like no you really need [TS]

00:32:26   to watch the show and I did and I am [TS]

00:32:30   hooked [TS]

00:32:30   I like it it's you know zombies and who [TS]

00:32:34   remain a human unless they are starved [TS]

00:32:38   for too long and there becomes like this [TS]

00:32:41   the this whole like brain [TS]

00:32:44   I don't know Brandon rotten market uh [TS]

00:32:47   yes [TS]

00:32:48   so it's it's I don't know it's it's [TS]

00:32:51   clever in quirky kind of the way that [TS]

00:32:53   brain Fuller's shows can be that's not [TS]

00:32:56   by going fuller and it's and I don't [TS]

00:32:59   know I just really really enjoyed I [TS]

00:33:00   think it's fun and it's also smart so I [TS]

00:33:04   appreciate that i'm so glad to hear that [TS]

00:33:06   it stays good i have only seen the first [TS]

00:33:08   season so far and I [TS]

00:33:09   just absolutely adored it so I just [TS]

00:33:12   haven't been able to find the next the [TS]

00:33:14   rest of it candidates are sometimes the [TS]

00:33:16   second season is is also really quite [TS]

00:33:18   good and it windy i award this year for [TS]

00:33:21   shows which you can't really like [TS]

00:33:25   there's a lot of shows a kind of is [TS]

00:33:26   dressed as a procedural right because [TS]

00:33:28   it's kind of dresses like a procedural [TS]

00:33:30   cop drama [TS]

00:33:31   except there's a zombie helping them [TS]

00:33:33   solve crimes and that's all well and [TS]

00:33:36   good but as the show goes along and you [TS]

00:33:39   realize while they're laying down all [TS]

00:33:40   these different weird pieces and as you [TS]

00:33:42   realize the procedural stuff start [TS]

00:33:44   shifting to the back and the sort of [TS]

00:33:46   ongoing plot shifts to the front and i [TS]

00:33:48   found just get one my award for I have [TS]

00:33:51   no idea where this is going like there [TS]

00:33:54   are a lot of shows that are sort of [TS]

00:33:55   telegraphed I feel like it's like okay [TS]

00:33:57   yeah these people are going to these [TS]

00:33:58   people and they show no compunction [TS]

00:34:01   about being like all what is this like [TS]

00:34:02   what is crazy terrible things that we [TS]

00:34:04   can do this people let's throw these [TS]

00:34:05   people together and see what happens [TS]

00:34:07   you're like oh my god I can't believe [TS]

00:34:08   this is going on right now what is [TS]

00:34:10   happening and i think it's it's [TS]

00:34:13   fantastic a great great cast [TS]

00:34:16   I will say one of my favorite bits from [TS]

00:34:18   this season involves a character who [TS]

00:34:21   returns out is very very angry at george [TS]

00:34:23   RR martin for not finishing his master [TS]

00:34:26   and one of the best deliveries wife from [TS]

00:34:29   a character who you otherwise would not [TS]

00:34:30   expect that to come from and also I [TS]

00:34:33   think a great job with one of my [TS]

00:34:35   favorite characters in that show who is [TS]

00:34:38   a person that could have come off as [TS]

00:34:39   very two-dimensional is major who is the [TS]

00:34:42   main characters ex-fiance and he feel [TS]

00:34:45   like he could have just gotten relegated [TS]

00:34:47   to this kind of dull like oh he's the [TS]

00:34:50   love interest role but by the end of the [TS]

00:34:52   first season have to get some really [TS]

00:34:54   really interesting to like directions [TS]

00:34:56   with his character and that actor is [TS]

00:34:59   fantastic he's just delivery is so good [TS]

00:35:03   he's so charming and like mild-mannered [TS]

00:35:05   like everybody in that show is is great [TS]

00:35:08   you know obviously a rose mciver replace [TS]

00:35:12   the lead to she's fantastic and it's [TS]

00:35:14   just got a great cast Rob Thomas who do [TS]

00:35:16   who created is the same guy created [TS]

00:35:18   Veronica Mars and that really shows if [TS]

00:35:21   you watch batteries [TS]

00:35:22   but it's good i highly highly second [TS]

00:35:25   that and also rob thomas from matchbox [TS]

00:35:28   Tony meeting up here and i think another [TS]

00:35:30   season you made it so well it's really [TS]

00:35:35   so good so funny [TS]

00:35:37   yeah if you're not watching that when I [TS]

00:35:38   don't even know why you're here go do [TS]

00:35:40   you hang up and watch that's ok bye guys [TS]

00:35:45   yeah John anything you want to mention [TS]

00:35:47   the only ones i had on my list i think [TS]

00:35:50   is a the walking dead which i still [TS]

00:35:51   enjoy i know a lot of people are tired [TS]

00:35:53   of it I'm not tired of it [TS]

00:35:55   they still I'm still interested the [TS]

00:35:57   characters that I come to know and love [TS]

00:35:59   I'm still interested in what happens to [TS]

00:36:00   them and they're still be able to [TS]

00:36:02   introduce new characters that like was [TS]

00:36:05   leftovers that already do that in the [TS]

00:36:07   last podcast about TV [TS]

00:36:08   I think we want to talk about I finally [TS]

00:36:10   have gone through the first season I [TS]

00:36:12   haven't watched the second season yet [TS]

00:36:13   but i thought i thought that was a very [TS]

00:36:15   quietly brilliant show actually yeah the [TS]

00:36:18   second season i really liked I liked it [TS]

00:36:20   more than the first season and I [TS]

00:36:22   actually like the first season as well [TS]

00:36:23   so I feel like that show is I don't know [TS]

00:36:25   where we can go from here i don't think [TS]

00:36:26   i can imagine season 3 being better but [TS]

00:36:28   I'm really glad that I saw the first two [TS]

00:36:29   seasons of that I'm really glad it [TS]

00:36:30   wasn't cancelled and there's only one [TS]

00:36:32   more season [TS]

00:36:32   yeah yeah is there wasn't even a third [TS]

00:36:35   season the last season alright well i [TS]

00:36:37   guess they can do something spectacular [TS]

00:36:38   for the Big Finish or they can just blow [TS]

00:36:39   it will see and then the other one is [TS]

00:36:41   the Americans which i think is sort of [TS]

00:36:44   at the ragged edges of its premise at [TS]

00:36:47   this point I'm i don't know i get the [TS]

00:36:51   premises silly begin with a lot of [TS]

00:36:52   things that show are silly if you think [TS]

00:36:55   about them for 12 seconds but now [TS]

00:36:56   they're really running out of runway for [TS]

00:36:59   the show but it's been pretty good all [TS]

00:37:01   the way through a lot i don't quite [TS]

00:37:02   understand why people rave about it as [TS]

00:37:04   much as they do I think it's good i [TS]

00:37:05   don't have any bad things to say about [TS]

00:37:06   it but I'm not bowled over like I was by [TS]

00:37:09   you know like that the Marquis programs [TS]

00:37:11   people throw this up there like oh it's [TS]

00:37:12   as good as you know breaking bad or the [TS]

00:37:14   wire or The Sopranos and it's not on [TS]

00:37:16   that tier for me but it's still a really [TS]

00:37:18   good show and it's an interesting [TS]

00:37:20   premise and i like most of the actors [TS]

00:37:21   and and they've announced it's going to [TS]

00:37:23   be two more seasons and then it's done [TS]

00:37:25   yeah so it has a finite ending insight [TS]

00:37:27   actually like it only has one season of [TS]

00:37:29   plot left two more seasons [TS]

00:37:31   maybe I think they're shorter seasons [TS]

00:37:32   that I think it's like the breaking bad [TS]

00:37:34   trend that's i'm watching the first [TS]

00:37:36   season of that right now and it is great [TS]

00:37:38   i'm enjoying a lot so I'm just you know [TS]

00:37:40   time-shifted pillow from 2011 [TS]

00:37:43   ok Brian anything that you want to throw [TS]

00:37:47   out there we've talked a lot about the [TS]

00:37:49   expanse on the TV feet of the [TS]

00:37:51   incomparable but it learned it's lessons [TS]

00:37:53   from game of thrones before Game of [TS]

00:37:54   Thrones itself learned those same [TS]

00:37:56   lessons the season so good for that i'd [TS]

00:37:58   like to throw a documentary now which is [TS]

00:38:00   on ifc Bill Hader and Fred Armisen make [TS]

00:38:03   silly documentary parodies they're [TS]

00:38:04   really detailed they're really suddenly [TS]

00:38:07   funny there things from Grey Gardens to [TS]

00:38:09   the thin blue line to rock documentaries [TS]

00:38:11   i had a ton of fun going through that [TS]

00:38:13   this year that's all on netflix now it [TS]

00:38:16   is all the netflix yes don't make the [TS]

00:38:17   mistake I made and I think that there's [TS]

00:38:19   only six episodes when there's a second [TS]

00:38:21   part of the blue jean committee episode [TS]

00:38:23   I'd like to throw out a special mention [TS]

00:38:25   to jeopardy [TS]

00:38:26   I'm very excited to see buzzy cohen and [TS]

00:38:28   Hunter aperture uh face off in next [TS]

00:38:31   year's tournament champions these past [TS]

00:38:33   months in 17 and no it's clear it's [TS]

00:38:37   really Glenn Glenn wearing up to Ryan [TS]

00:38:40   asked i don't like to throw a bone to [TS]

00:38:43   whoever runs the joy of painting youtube [TS]

00:38:45   account on thanks for helping me sleep [TS]

00:38:47   that's technically team right sure great [TS]

00:38:50   dropped in a helicopter e 700 club girl [TS]

00:38:54   happy little school and playing with his [TS]

00:38:55   nuts like the guy who plays the test [TS]

00:38:57   pattern he's great thanks for being [TS]

00:39:00   there to a David what do you have [TS]

00:39:05   I will if this were drafted be in pretty [TS]

00:39:07   good shape i mean i've crossed a couple [TS]

00:39:09   of things off like documentary now and [TS]

00:39:11   the expanse and one that I know is on [TS]

00:39:13   your list but I've got Angie Tribeca [TS]

00:39:16   which on TBS [TS]

00:39:18   it's just Rock stupid but it plays rock [TS]

00:39:22   stupid really well if if you like [TS]

00:39:25   airplane if you like police squad and [TS]

00:39:27   especially if you like police squad more [TS]

00:39:29   than you like The Naked Gun this is the [TS]

00:39:31   show you've been waiting for it manages [TS]

00:39:34   to hit that that tone pretty perfectly [TS]

00:39:37   then let's see the second season of [TS]

00:39:41   Fargo which I thought was as good [TS]

00:39:44   as the first maybe and i really like the [TS]

00:39:47   first full frontal [TS]

00:39:50   also on TBS has become a weekly thing [TS]

00:39:54   for me along with last week tonight [TS]

00:39:57   veep which people were worried about [TS]

00:40:00   because Armando Iannucci was leaving the [TS]

00:40:02   show how can you do it without Armando [TS]

00:40:05   Iannucci but not only did they maintain [TS]

00:40:09   it they sort of went beyond they've [TS]

00:40:11   ended in a really interesting place [TS]

00:40:14   I don't want to spoil anything but it's [TS]

00:40:16   not where you think it's going which is [TS]

00:40:19   kinda cool [TS]

00:40:21   the Carmichael show the second season [TS]

00:40:24   that was very entertaining [TS]

00:40:25   it's a throwback to the the Norman Lear [TS]

00:40:28   style of issue-oriented comedy but i [TS]

00:40:30   really like that of life in pieces said [TS]

00:40:34   come on CBS that is a pleasant way to [TS]

00:40:37   pass the time it takes it kind of does [TS]

00:40:40   the modern family format of an extended [TS]

00:40:44   family but instead of having a you know [TS]

00:40:48   trying to fit everybody in to every [TS]

00:40:49   story they do short stories in each half [TS]

00:40:52   hour so it's it's almost like it's [TS]

00:40:54   designed to be put on youtube in little [TS]

00:40:56   viral bites which is kind of interesting [TS]

00:40:58   to see how they're constructing that and [TS]

00:41:01   sometimes they do tie them all together [TS]

00:41:02   nicely but documentary now I'll just [TS]

00:41:05   cross it off [TS]

00:41:07   Louie CK is Horace and Pete which is not [TS]

00:41:10   quite a comedy and it's not quite a [TS]

00:41:12   drama and it's not quite TV because it's [TS]

00:41:15   kinda like live theater with so it's [TS]

00:41:17   again a very much a throwback it is very [TS]

00:41:22   funny at times it is harrowing at times [TS]

00:41:24   so it's it's it's not a ride for the [TS]

00:41:29   easily disturbed but man it's good it [TS]

00:41:33   could have used a sharper hand and [TS]

00:41:35   heading down the script but you know [TS]

00:41:37   i'll give it a pass because you don't [TS]

00:41:39   see that on TV alot and then I'll finish [TS]

00:41:42   off with two shows on the Sundance [TS]

00:41:44   Channel of all things one that's a [TS]

00:41:48   co-production with australia and new [TS]

00:41:50   zealand called clever man which is a [TS]

00:41:54   science fictiony retelling of Aboriginal [TS]

00:41:57   ecology in the present day in a sort of [TS]

00:42:01   a superhero context it's really [TS]

00:42:03   fascinating the first episodes little [TS]

00:42:06   confusing stick with it there are only [TS]

00:42:08   six so far I don't know if you're going [TS]

00:42:10   to do more but it's it's really [TS]

00:42:12   different i really liked it and a show [TS]

00:42:16   called HAP and Leonard which is based on [TS]

00:42:19   a series of books by Joe are lansdale [TS]

00:42:21   set down in the deep south with a crime [TS]

00:42:25   if you miss justified this could scratch [TS]

00:42:29   that itch and when I guess the the last [TS]

00:42:32   thing that's been taking up my time in [TS]

00:42:34   the last few weeks the match game I hate [TS]

00:42:38   to admit it they got it right even even [TS]

00:42:41   with alec baldwin they got it right it [TS]

00:42:43   feels like the 1970s match game and and [TS]

00:42:46   it's on at 10pm for good reason it is it [TS]

00:42:49   is at least as smart as the original so [TS]

00:42:51   good for that which was on it 38 3pm so [TS]

00:42:54   exactly go figure after school with [TS]

00:42:57   watch it but yeah it it's the first [TS]

00:43:00   they've tried to revive it multiple [TS]

00:43:01   times it's the first one that catches [TS]

00:43:03   the tone and the ease and the width of [TS]

00:43:07   the original right Dan [TS]

00:43:09   what else do you have alright well I've [TS]

00:43:11   got a bit of a list you so I'll just run [TS]

00:43:13   through these are the USA show suits [TS]

00:43:17   which is about answer its six-season [TS]

00:43:19   they took a really sharp left turn and [TS]

00:43:22   finally sort of dropped the hammer on [TS]

00:43:23   the premise which was interesting [TS]

00:43:27   I'm curious to see how they deal with [TS]

00:43:29   that since it will change the format of [TS]

00:43:31   the show pretty largely we'll see if [TS]

00:43:33   they stick with it but I've enjoyed that [TS]

00:43:35   show quite a bit it's got a really good [TS]

00:43:36   cast [TS]

00:43:37   I've got a British trial British cop [TS]

00:43:42   trifecta third season i just watched [TS]

00:43:44   thirties of line of duty which is a [TS]

00:43:46   really intense sort of internal affairs [TS]

00:43:48   style british show there are three [TS]

00:43:51   seasons each of them sort of focuses on [TS]

00:43:53   slightly different cases of [TS]

00:43:56   investigating you know an incident and [TS]

00:43:58   then there's a larger theme running [TS]

00:44:00   through it about sort of corrupt cops it [TS]

00:44:03   is it is one of those magnetic [TS]

00:44:04   edge-of-your-seat style shows and the [TS]

00:44:07   only six episodes of season two so it's [TS]

00:44:09   pretty easy to sort of plays through [TS]

00:44:11   endeavour just finished third season of [TS]

00:44:13   at a young inspector morse really well [TS]

00:44:17   done period oxford drama in the sixties [TS]

00:44:20   just really a lot of fun and the there [TS]

00:44:25   those are longer episodes there's only [TS]

00:44:26   like four in a season but they're an [TS]

00:44:28   hour and a half so they're more like [TS]

00:44:29   watching little mini movies but they're [TS]

00:44:31   they're great if you like British [TS]

00:44:33   detective drama Ripper Street i finally [TS]

00:44:38   managed to you find the fourth season [TS]

00:44:40   which is really also good i've enjoyed [TS]

00:44:44   that show a lot going through Matthew [TS]

00:44:45   McFadden and Jerome Flynn from Game of [TS]

00:44:48   Thrones who plays Braun plays the [TS]

00:44:49   sergeant in this one which is a [TS]

00:44:51   victorian-era police procedural the [TS]

00:44:57   third season of that which we were last [TS]

00:44:58   year or two years ago was really good [TS]

00:45:00   and had sort of a really interesting [TS]

00:45:01   overarching plot and they sort of [TS]

00:45:02   continued the fallout from that in this [TS]

00:45:05   most recent season I shows that i [TS]

00:45:09   haven't seen all of the time i am [TS]

00:45:11   watching a silicon valley I've really [TS]

00:45:15   enjoyed what I've seen a third season I [TS]

00:45:16   just haven't had time to finish it yet [TS]

00:45:18   but the addition especially of Stephen [TS]

00:45:20   Chbosky in early on in the season was [TS]

00:45:22   great and that show is when it when it's [TS]

00:45:26   good man is it good if they have some [TS]

00:45:29   really sharp satire and when it's you [TS]

00:45:31   know Mike Judge it's really mike judge [TS]

00:45:34   and i just finished the first season [TS]

00:45:38   right now is to show I was watching her [TS]

00:45:40   before got on here was the first season [TS]

00:45:42   of hold and catch fire [TS]

00:45:44   I which I just finished which is a [TS]

00:45:47   really interesting show that maybe tries [TS]

00:45:49   to be mad Men a little too hard but some [TS]

00:45:53   of it is kind of fun to watch a show [TS]

00:45:54   where it's like oh wait this is all [TS]

00:45:56   computer history I know about all this [TS]

00:45:57   stuff and I do enjoy a pace even if he [TS]

00:46:02   is a little bit over the top on the show [TS]

00:46:03   I know Jason really likes you're the [TS]

00:46:06   worst and he got me [TS]

00:46:08   yeah the second season of that show is [TS]

00:46:11   fan-tastic areas and probably I feel [TS]

00:46:15   like has one of the better depictions of [TS]

00:46:18   dealing with like depression of of [TS]

00:46:22   anything certainly that I've seen [TS]

00:46:24   and he's just yeah it's really good [TS]

00:46:28   that's a really good show and it is it [TS]

00:46:30   is seriously underrated and the just the [TS]

00:46:33   the leads ice personally my favorite is [TS]

00:46:35   uh oh now I'm gonna blank [TS]

00:46:38   what's the name of his room 808 girl [TS]

00:46:40   Edgar yes Edgar and and the the best [TS]

00:46:44   friend of the main character Lindsay yes [TS]

00:46:46   the supporting characters that show [TS]

00:46:48   yeah you know what can you say about [TS]

00:46:49   sure where the supporting characters are [TS]

00:46:50   as good as they really are two main [TS]

00:46:52   characters Catherine Donahue is [TS]

00:46:54   spectacularly good as Lindsay [TS]

00:46:57   spectacularly good [TS]

00:46:58   yes she's really good even enjoy these [TS]

00:47:01   stupid like the stupid other side [TS]

00:47:04   characters like the married couple and [TS]

00:47:08   it's just it's so well written and so [TS]

00:47:10   good i just i watched the heck out of [TS]

00:47:12   that it's a great show it's hilarious [TS]

00:47:16   this whole area is fine to show it's [TS]

00:47:18   really weird because I was a show they [TS]

00:47:19   got recommended by multiple angles [TS]

00:47:20   including you Jason and then my parents [TS]

00:47:22   liked it was like I don't really want to [TS]

00:47:24   thank you are my parents [TS]

00:47:25   no but and then the last couple things I [TS]

00:47:31   had Star Wars rebels and i'm just going [TS]

00:47:34   to plug it because I got you for a show [TS]

00:47:37   that's 11 season in this season of [TS]

00:47:39   supernatural was surprisingly good i was [TS]

00:47:42   really a getting the point of being like [TS]

00:47:43   and I don't know how much they can keep [TS]

00:47:45   doing this they get a really good season [TS]

00:47:47   this year and part of it was going back [TS]

00:47:49   to stuff that they sort of left up in [TS]

00:47:50   the air like like five or six years ago [TS]

00:47:53   yeah and then do you want to hug you now [TS]

00:47:55   I'm okay it was a good show [TS]

00:47:57   I have to say I i was surprised i I just [TS]

00:48:00   sort of been sleepwalking through a lot [TS]

00:48:01   of the recent seasons because I felt [TS]

00:48:03   like man I am in this deep but you know [TS]

00:48:05   what they do the full credit for them [TS]

00:48:07   finding a way to make it sort of fresh [TS]

00:48:10   and and still having reasons for me to [TS]

00:48:14   invest 11 seasons in and guess what gap [TS]

00:48:16   its wealth so I kept them still going [TS]

00:48:18   yeah [TS]

00:48:19   Stockholm Syndrome going I got no [TS]

00:48:23   problems I can handle your mockery what [TS]

00:48:26   mockery now we're being and I'm [TS]

00:48:28   confident in my I'm comfortable where I [TS]

00:48:30   am right now we've only been mocking [TS]

00:48:32   you're watching supernatural for like [TS]

00:48:33   five years [TS]

00:48:35   comments I mean if you made it through [TS]

00:48:37   the first season we can talk we can oh [TS]

00:48:39   yeah i know i resigned to it never being [TS]

00:48:41   something ever gets discussed on the [TS]

00:48:43   show [TS]

00:48:44   well we discussed now so there's no I [TS]

00:48:48   monologue about it this is different [TS]

00:48:50   I just can't get again i can't get past [TS]

00:48:52   season 1i just have tried i can't get [TS]

00:48:54   past jared padalecki guys in one is [TS]

00:48:57   season one is rough and yeah after [TS]

00:49:01   seasons like two through five you do [TS]

00:49:03   watch those those are great i would stop [TS]

00:49:05   honestly there i would not if we're I [TS]

00:49:07   starting today I would not follow myself [TS]

00:49:09   all the way down this dark path but [TS]

00:49:11   season 5 has one of the best that like [TS]

00:49:14   arc basically through season five is one [TS]

00:49:16   of the best constructed i'll put that up [TS]

00:49:18   against almost anything it's just it's a [TS]

00:49:20   really solid development of these [TS]

00:49:22   characters and an overarching plot that [TS]

00:49:25   is basically coherent from like first [TS]

00:49:27   episode to the end of the fifth season [TS]

00:49:29   and he should have just left it there [TS]

00:49:30   but they kept going so well and I've and [TS]

00:49:34   27 more seasons after that I hate they [TS]

00:49:36   did I mean a this is a show they hit 200 [TS]

00:49:38   episodes and did it as a basically as a [TS]

00:49:40   high school musical about itself now [TS]

00:49:43   which was crazy but really well done [TS]

00:49:45   i'll mention a couple to a master of [TS]

00:49:48   none [TS]

00:49:49   Aziz Ansari's comedy on netflix is [TS]

00:49:51   really graves on my list you should you [TS]

00:49:54   should watch it it's really great [TS]

00:49:55   and since Dan mentioned you're the worst [TS]

00:49:57   i will then just mentioned catastrophe [TS]

00:49:59   on amazon a very funny show about an [TS]

00:50:03   American man who meets a woman when he's [TS]

00:50:07   in London and they sleep together and [TS]

00:50:09   she gets pregnant and he decides he's [TS]

00:50:11   gonna stay and be a parent and it is [TS]

00:50:15   very funny and i'll throw out there [TS]

00:50:19   Mozart in the jungle to on amazon which [TS]

00:50:21   yeah is a very good show about a [TS]

00:50:24   classical music and the the simple [TS]

00:50:28   Symphony musicians in New York and has a [TS]

00:50:31   it and there's almost no way I can [TS]

00:50:34   describe it won't make it sound boring [TS]

00:50:36   it is very funny it is off-kilter it is [TS]

00:50:40   not snooty at all [TS]

00:50:43   there is like you learn in the first [TS]

00:50:46   episode which guy in the orchestra is [TS]

00:50:47   the one you go to [TS]

00:50:49   I drugs it's that kind of show and it's [TS]

00:50:52   got a fun performance by Malcolm [TS]

00:50:54   McDowell is the deposed former conductor [TS]

00:50:57   of the orchestra and a spectacularly [TS]

00:51:00   good form a performance by guile garcía [TS]

00:51:03   Bernal as the maestro of the orchestra [TS]

00:51:06   who is just I loved every minute he's [TS]

00:51:09   on-screen he's it's such a great is our [TS]

00:51:12   performances [TS]

00:51:13   he's very creative and does weird things [TS]

00:51:15   and everybody's like well it's the [TS]

00:51:17   maestro he just does what he does and [TS]

00:51:19   it's yeah it's a it's a legitimately [TS]

00:51:21   hilarious show so people should check [TS]

00:51:24   out 1 i've talked about a lot with Tim [TS]

00:51:26   Goodman over on the talk machine and it [TS]

00:51:29   really you know for people who love [TS]

00:51:30   slings and arrows which is one of my [TS]

00:51:32   favorite shows well this is the same [TS]

00:51:35   kind of the it sits behind the scenes of [TS]

00:51:38   creative people being created yeah and [TS]

00:51:41   this the struggle with how have they [TS]

00:51:44   exist in the world and still be creative [TS]

00:51:47   and you know it's it's it's not the same [TS]

00:51:50   sense of humor it's not it's not slings [TS]

00:51:52   and arrows to point out but if you like [TS]

00:51:55   the one you will probably like this too [TS]

00:51:57   thus ends the not a draft listing of [TS]

00:51:59   shows that you should probably watch if [TS]

00:52:01   you are looking for shows to watch [TS]

00:52:03   because we liked although shows and we [TS]

00:52:05   mentioned them [TS]

00:52:06   it's very positive of us were not [TS]

00:52:09   currently out shows that like we don't [TS]

00:52:10   like where it's just all the good stuff [TS]

00:52:13   i think we watches that we don't like [TS]

00:52:15   like about we usually got the day off [TS]

00:52:17   right [TS]

00:52:18   there's too many good shows that used to [TS]

00:52:20   be you'd watch mediocre shows because [TS]

00:52:22   you're we ran out of good shows and [TS]

00:52:25   there is you cannot run out of good [TS]

00:52:26   shows now [TS]

00:52:27   okay we're gonna fire up the spoiler [TS]

00:52:29   horn and talk about season 6 or game of [TS]

00:52:30   thrones now [TS]

00:52:31   [Music] [TS]

00:52:35   alright season six game of thrones so [TS]

00:52:37   last season of Game of Thrones kind of a [TS]

00:52:39   downer kind of down lots of bad stuff [TS]

00:52:41   happened to his dark things were bad on [TS]

00:52:43   this show a downer little bit of a [TS]

00:52:46   bummer with all the terribleness that [TS]

00:52:48   happened in it but this season was [TS]

00:52:51   different for Game of Thrones I thought [TS]

00:52:53   I spent the entire season talking about [TS]

00:52:56   every single episode all but John [TS]

00:53:00   actually of those of us who who were [TS]

00:53:02   here and David doesn't count because he [TS]

00:53:04   didn't watch that were on TV episodes [TS]

00:53:07   about Game of Thrones with me or not [TS]

00:53:08   with me in the case believe you were on [TS]

00:53:10   with Brian right i was on the frame so [TS]

00:53:12   mean it all connects it all [TS]

00:53:14   interconnects John prefers to wait and [TS]

00:53:17   ponder season 6 of Game of Thrones like [TS]

00:53:19   every season and so I guess I should [TS]

00:53:21   start with John and and if people want [TS]

00:53:24   to hear what I had to say about Game of [TS]

00:53:26   Thrones season 6 hey there's 10 episodes [TS]

00:53:28   of or eight episodes of the TV podcast [TS]

00:53:30   where I talk about eight episodes of it [TS]

00:53:32   John what do you think of season 16 [TS]

00:53:34   minutes we'll start with you I don't [TS]

00:53:36   know if this season was your just frame [TS]

00:53:38   it was like oh it's not as big of a [TS]

00:53:39   downer is the previous season because [TS]

00:53:41   bad things do happen but I think every [TS]

00:53:45   time we talk about the show in the [TS]

00:53:47   beginning I knew nothing about nothing [TS]

00:53:48   about the book I did you know and I'm [TS]

00:53:51   think I'm very early i made jokes about [TS]

00:53:53   like boy winter is coming sure taking a [TS]

00:53:54   long time to get here that stop being a [TS]

00:53:56   joke like a season and a half ago [TS]

00:53:58   it's like seriously his winter coming [TS]

00:54:01   how slow do the White Walkers actually [TS]

00:54:04   walk are they just loitering outside the [TS]

00:54:06   wall but I think the reason this season [TS]

00:54:09   was so satisfying to everybody is [TS]

00:54:11   because all those story threads and all [TS]

00:54:13   that stuff [TS]

00:54:14   finally finally looks like we're [TS]

00:54:16   actually getting payoffs for things like [TS]

00:54:19   they actually allowed to Starks to meet [TS]

00:54:21   each other it was like it was like a [TS]

00:54:23   miracle it was like how can that is how [TS]

00:54:26   can that even happen how can look [TS]

00:54:28   they're hugging like it's just [TS]

00:54:30   miraculous and I really the season was [TS]

00:54:33   kind of more of the same chest people [TS]

00:54:37   peace moving and then one big episode of [TS]

00:54:39   the middle toe to punch you in the gut [TS]

00:54:41   the door episode and then huge finish a [TS]

00:54:45   huge finish i think those last two [TS]

00:54:47   episodes combined [TS]

00:54:48   and are better than most of the movies [TS]

00:54:49   I've seen in the past several years both [TS]

00:54:52   in terms of how satisfying it was you [TS]

00:54:53   can imagine this is like the second or [TS]

00:54:55   third movie in a trilogy those two [TS]

00:54:57   episodes and all the other seasons [TS]

00:54:59   compress down just the good part step [TS]

00:55:01   couple of just fantastic finish and so [TS]

00:55:03   like that's a good strategy but your TV [TS]

00:55:07   season by the way we forget about all [TS]

00:55:09   the little small chest piece moving and [TS]

00:55:11   tiny little scenes here and there in the [TS]

00:55:12   early part of the season if it all comes [TS]

00:55:13   together in the end and things happen [TS]

00:55:16   things move and even though those poor [TS]

00:55:18   white walkers are still going even [TS]

00:55:20   though ships are still selling across to [TS]

00:55:22   see enough happened that we all just [TS]

00:55:24   settle down I felt like after the season [TS]

00:55:25   said Jason Monty and I didn't really [TS]

00:55:29   have much nice to say about that the [TS]

00:55:30   ultimate episode where they're fighting [TS]

00:55:32   the Bolton's but I I said nice things [TS]

00:55:34   you said and I think it was on the nice [TS]

00:55:37   thing but I didn't even John you make a [TS]

00:55:40   great point I didn't even think about [TS]

00:55:41   comparing it to a movie that sounds [TS]

00:55:43   really dumb but honestly when I will go [TS]

00:55:45   to game of thrones I want the plot i [TS]

00:55:46   want things to happen [TS]

00:55:48   not much happened in that episode [TS]

00:55:49   plot-wise except for like the incredible [TS]

00:55:51   ending and honest I didn't even think [TS]

00:55:53   about comparing it to something like the [TS]

00:55:55   two towers a return of the king where so [TS]

00:55:57   much of those movies are fighting that [TS]

00:55:59   you just kind of get plot thrown in [TS]

00:56:01   sprinkled throughout and it made a lot [TS]

00:56:03   more sense [TS]

00:56:03   comparing it to a movie in terms of the [TS]

00:56:06   scale that we get in the budget that [TS]

00:56:07   they're allowing to say thank you for [TS]

00:56:09   that they held that the battle back like [TS]

00:56:11   they have like a lot of times it's [TS]

00:56:12   people talking and people thinking about [TS]

00:56:14   things or whatever but like that's the [TS]

00:56:15   seasons that tend to be unsatisfying is [TS]

00:56:17   a lot of those people having [TS]

00:56:18   conversations and different sort of [TS]

00:56:20   political maneuvering but it doesn't [TS]

00:56:22   culminating anything or maybe culminates [TS]

00:56:24   into a single murder which blends into [TS]

00:56:25   the background on Game of Thrones all [TS]

00:56:27   the other incidental murders they go on [TS]

00:56:28   this all these moving around moving [TS]

00:56:31   pieces culminates in a final clash of [TS]

00:56:33   the pieces that had been aligned and [TS]

00:56:35   you're right like that the battle the [TS]

00:56:37   bastards that the reason I think that [TS]

00:56:38   worked for me so well is a this is a big [TS]

00:56:41   thing that's been coming for a long time [TS]

00:56:42   we need to actually have a result [TS]

00:56:44   instead of just having people just do [TS]

00:56:45   something go off in different directions [TS]

00:56:46   again and be i thought it was an [TS]

00:56:49   amazingly well done battle scene i [TS]

00:56:51   thought it was as good as any sort of [TS]

00:56:53   mud and blood battle scene in medieval [TS]

00:56:56   you know fantasy settings that I've seen [TS]

00:56:57   a movie in gear [TS]

00:56:58   years and this is a TV show just [TS]

00:57:01   phenomenally well done because you care [TS]

00:57:02   about the characters that you can tell [TS]

00:57:04   what's going on the whole time as it [TS]

00:57:06   interesting shots that you didn't expect [TS]

00:57:08   it's not just a bunch of cliches and yes [TS]

00:57:11   there's enough silliness with the person [TS]

00:57:12   who doesn't know it is exactly he runs [TS]

00:57:14   and some vino different things that [TS]

00:57:16   don't make a lot of sense in terms of [TS]

00:57:18   how confident someone could be that [TS]

00:57:19   their plan would go off as expected but [TS]

00:57:21   all that you know just like and I needed [TS]

00:57:24   that I after season diseases i needed to [TS]

00:57:26   see a big gigantic battle between forces [TS]

00:57:28   that have been going together for a long [TS]

00:57:30   time to be resolved decisively in a [TS]

00:57:32   single episode there was a winner there [TS]

00:57:34   was a loser the big banner comes down on [TS]

00:57:36   the side of the building [TS]

00:57:37   yes you know i am i am the queen of of [TS]

00:57:41   not meeting a big battle scene I will [TS]

00:57:42   never say that that's something i need [TS]

00:57:44   and i always get bored I am the first [TS]

00:57:46   person to say im bored with battle [TS]

00:57:47   whether it's a gunfight or a sword fight [TS]

00:57:49   doesn't matter however i actually was [TS]

00:57:52   pretty darn ok with that battle in with [TS]

00:57:55   the battle of the bastards it i do think [TS]

00:57:58   that it went on too long for my taste [TS]

00:58:00   but not by nearly as much as I expected [TS]

00:58:02   and i quite liked a good chunk of it [TS]

00:58:05   because it it didn't do that thing that [TS]

00:58:08   so many shows of this type does and Game [TS]

00:58:11   of Thrones has done in the past is like [TS]

00:58:13   glorify battle make it look like you [TS]

00:58:15   know this is such an epic sing and look [TS]

00:58:17   at these sweaty men swinging their [TS]

00:58:19   swords around and slow motion and isn't [TS]

00:58:21   it a beautiful wonderful thing all this [TS]

00:58:24   testosterone know it made it look [TS]

00:58:26   terrible and terrifying all of these [TS]

00:58:29   like super fast quick cuts from from [TS]

00:58:32   place to place you can't actually tell [TS]

00:58:33   what's going on [TS]

00:58:34   that's exactly what it would be like in [TS]

00:58:36   the middle of a battle you wouldn't be [TS]

00:58:37   able to tell what's going on I felt like [TS]

00:58:39   it that seen more than any other battles [TS]

00:58:43   on the show kind of it gave me a feeling [TS]

00:58:45   for what it would be like to be in this [TS]

00:58:47   situation and to be you know the [TS]

00:58:49   trampled under almost right several [TS]

00:58:52   hundred people trying to get away i have [TS]

00:58:54   to say i had the interesting experience [TS]

00:58:56   of watching this with my girlfriend who [TS]

00:58:58   had during we're watching the season [TS]

00:59:00   together and then she moved to india but [TS]

00:59:02   halfway through the season and so it [TS]

00:59:04   turns out in India they actually show it [TS]

00:59:06   live on TV sponsored by like amazon [TS]

00:59:09   india like not even on premium cable [TS]

00:59:11   just like I'm like [TS]

00:59:12   broadcast except india being a slightly [TS]

00:59:15   more conservative country they cut a [TS]

00:59:17   bunches of apples as showing it like a [TS]

00:59:20   lot of the super gory stuff so we're [TS]

00:59:22   watching it and I was just you're [TS]

00:59:23   watching this episode going who i like [TS]

00:59:26   it and she's like what I don't even know [TS]

00:59:27   what you're seeing right now like I I [TS]

00:59:30   surprised that episode was not just five [TS]

00:59:32   minutes long at that point because he [TS]

00:59:33   felt like it was all pretty gory but I i [TS]

00:59:36   think from a larger perspective what I [TS]

00:59:39   found really good about the season which [TS]

00:59:40   I think we obviously have to acknowledge [TS]

00:59:41   is the fact that we're basically you [TS]

00:59:43   know we're beyond the the pale when it [TS]

00:59:45   comes to these books because we're off [TS]

00:59:47   the map right like you know those of us [TS]

00:59:49   who have read the books to a certain [TS]

00:59:52   extent the plot was hamstrung by needing [TS]

00:59:55   to follow where the books were you know [TS]

00:59:57   in so far as they could and so I think [TS]

00:59:59   this is [TS]

00:59:59   this is [TS]

01:00:00   what a really good example for this to [TS]

01:00:02   my mind was was the last season with the [TS]

01:00:05   hard home episode [TS]

01:00:06   mhm like that was an episode that [TS]

01:00:08   basically took something that did not [TS]

01:00:09   happen at least on screen in the books [TS]

01:00:11   and just flushing that out and being [TS]

01:00:14   able to sort of give a chance for the [TS]

01:00:16   the TV show didn't do its own thing and [TS]

01:00:20   then basically i think you know what we [TS]

01:00:22   saw this season was in large part that [TS]

01:00:24   it's sort of i promise written with [TS]

01:00:26   large which was [TS]

01:00:27   hey free rein you know we kind of we [TS]

01:00:30   yeah we know where George is going with [TS]

01:00:32   the story but we basically get to do [TS]

01:00:34   what we want to do and set up a bunch of [TS]

01:00:36   stuff and and I think having that [TS]

01:00:39   freedom to set stuff up and as a John [TS]

01:00:41   said pay it off by you know structuring [TS]

01:00:44   it in such a way that things that [TS]

01:00:46   happens chestpiece moving eventually [TS]

01:00:48   results in something which you kind of [TS]

01:00:50   need to do a TV show right leg it just [TS]

01:00:52   string it out forever people do get [TS]

01:00:54   bored and stop watching things unless [TS]

01:00:56   you're me and watch 12 seasons of [TS]

01:00:57   supernatural but other than me [TS]

01:00:59   people get w don't get kind of bored if [TS]

01:01:02   there's no if there is no payoff and so [TS]

01:01:04   I think that is actually probably to the [TS]

01:01:07   biggest credit of this this last season [TS]

01:01:09   is the fact that they haven't had to [TS]

01:01:11   follow a blueprint note by note feeling [TS]

01:01:14   like oh the fans will be so disappointed [TS]

01:01:15   if it doesn't do this and this isn't [TS]

01:01:18   said they just said yeah we're gonna [TS]

01:01:19   wait to tell our story we tell it like [TS]

01:01:21   it's a TV show and not like it's a you [TS]

01:01:23   know a translation from a novel and I [TS]

01:01:26   think that work to great effect for them [TS]

01:01:28   so kudos to the the showrunners for you [TS]

01:01:31   know taking the the road less traveled [TS]

01:01:33   by gets me paid off things from the [TS]

01:01:35   previous season two like using mentioned [TS]

01:01:38   payoffs like they set up enough stuff [TS]

01:01:40   early in the season to pay off here but [TS]

01:01:42   they were paying off things from past [TS]

01:01:43   seasons like I mean felt the whole thing [TS]

01:01:45   with Cersei and and the mean nuns like [TS]

01:01:47   to watch that season you're like that [TS]

01:01:50   mean non boy she's gonna going to do [TS]

01:01:52   something terrible that mean not and [TS]

01:01:53   it's like and season ends [TS]

01:01:55   but what about the mean none not paid [TS]

01:01:58   off you know the Infinity salesman guy [TS]

01:02:00   he's really annoying and he does lots of [TS]

01:02:03   stuff in the previous season and then [TS]

01:02:04   the season ends you're like but but and [TS]

01:02:06   this season paid off so that it's the [TS]

01:02:10   advantage of coming I [TS]

01:02:11   assuming the latter half of how many [TS]

01:02:13   more seasons two more two more two more [TS]

01:02:15   shorter shorter season yeah but the [TS]

01:02:17   advantage coming towards the end is that [TS]

01:02:18   you finally get to resolve these things [TS]

01:02:20   and I think we will look back on the [TS]

01:02:21   middle seasons as a tough period to get [TS]

01:02:25   through to get to what I hope is just an [TS]

01:02:28   increasing amount of really big payoffs [TS]

01:02:30   I mean they've got a lot of big a lot of [TS]

01:02:33   big sets of chess pieces moving around [TS]

01:02:35   this board towards each other we already [TS]

01:02:36   had these two big big battle on a big [TS]

01:02:38   explosion at the end and I hope it's [TS]

01:02:40   just more of that well when it comes to [TS]

01:02:41   pay off my talk to on the TV up so we do [TS]

01:02:44   about this about how dissatisfied I was [TS]

01:02:46   and how upset I am with Game of Thrones [TS]

01:02:47   for continually doing the let's kill off [TS]

01:02:50   every single main character that was put [TS]

01:02:52   into this season in the season finale I [TS]

01:02:54   wish that they stopped doing that [TS]

01:02:56   because it feels like a cop-out why [TS]

01:02:58   would we spend all of these all this [TS]

01:03:00   time with these characters only to have [TS]

01:03:01   them die in a completely unceremonious [TS]

01:03:03   way and it's great for shock value but [TS]

01:03:05   it really doesn't feel like a good park [TS]

01:03:07   for anybody involved and then know [TS]

01:03:09   Jason's mentioned something on that TV [TS]

01:03:11   episode about how about how they're not [TS]

01:03:14   necessarily important to any of the [TS]

01:03:16   character arcs but much more for the Ark [TS]

01:03:19   of the kingdom and series as a whole so [TS]

01:03:22   that kind of payoff feels very mixed in [TS]

01:03:25   terms of these character moments at [TS]

01:03:26   while also moving the plot along [TS]

01:03:27   ridiculous lengths there's so many [TS]

01:03:30   characters though I feel like killing [TS]

01:03:32   off characters is fine with me like [TS]

01:03:33   asthma as sad as I am at like archery [TS]

01:03:36   the Marjorie got wiped out because i [TS]

01:03:38   really like her that I felt like the [TS]

01:03:41   high Sparrow I didn't need to see any [TS]

01:03:42   more of him this is how he got taken out [TS]

01:03:44   that's the end of his story loris you [TS]

01:03:46   know he was fine but he's a minor [TS]

01:03:47   character uncle Kevan Lannister you know [TS]

01:03:50   that the other characters in there I [TS]

01:03:51   kind of didn't care about the only one [TS]

01:03:53   the only one that was a bummer i just [TS]

01:03:55   love that there's a guy named Kevin I [TS]

01:03:56   know it's spelled with an a it doesn't [TS]

01:03:57   matter it so Kevin do you home alone [TS]

01:03:59   thing every time [TS]

01:04:00   so yeah Marjorie Marjorie is a bummer [TS]

01:04:02   but at the same time I don't know a lot [TS]

01:04:04   of characters and in the end the payoff [TS]

01:04:06   here was seriously taking out some of [TS]

01:04:08   her her enemies and that's going to [TS]

01:04:10   happen in Game of Thrones III much would [TS]

01:04:13   much rather see more people die then [TS]

01:04:15   more new characters introduced at this [TS]

01:04:18   point but game of thrones you got you [TS]

01:04:19   got you got a window down right i mean [TS]

01:04:21   yeah like I think this late in the game [TS]

01:04:23   not everyone's gonna make [TS]

01:04:25   alive obviously so will anyone to start [TS]

01:04:28   that's not yeah that's my question to [TS]

01:04:30   you [TS]

01:04:30   I mean yeah and I feel like at this [TS]

01:04:32   point if you're going to tie up [TS]

01:04:34   everything there are probably a lot of [TS]

01:04:36   people where the inside of us if they're [TS]

01:04:38   dead right like they don't struggle as [TS]

01:04:41   much I guess that's got dark [TS]

01:04:42   that's one of the things that drew me [TS]

01:04:44   the show in the beginning not having [TS]

01:04:45   read the books as I game it's playing [TS]

01:04:47   against type and against the the tropes [TS]

01:04:49   of fantasy novels where you have that [TS]

01:04:50   road character you know he's going to [TS]

01:04:51   face many dangers but in the end become [TS]

01:04:54   trampled and Game of Thrones state the [TS]

01:04:56   dialogue and it's the sort of the the [TS]

01:05:00   true to life nature of like when you [TS]

01:05:02   read a history book you read about [TS]

01:05:05   whoever it was that survived World War [TS]

01:05:08   Two and went on to be a congressperson [TS]

01:05:10   eventually became president united [TS]

01:05:12   states but if you go back in time and [TS]

01:05:14   are living through it and you look at [TS]

01:05:16   all the different men in the same [TS]

01:05:17   situation went off to war or whatever [TS]

01:05:19   you can't tell which one of them is [TS]

01:05:22   going to live through the war and become [TS]

01:05:23   a congressman and become elected [TS]

01:05:24   president I state you just they all look [TS]

01:05:26   the same from this perspective and so [TS]

01:05:28   you're wondering like which one is going [TS]

01:05:29   to make it through like this the great [TS]

01:05:31   filter or whatever and if you're [TS]

01:05:33   watching your thoughts on having read [TS]

01:05:35   the books as these people die off you're [TS]

01:05:37   like yeah because that that's kind of [TS]

01:05:38   what will be like you don't like the [TS]

01:05:40   most heroic or bravest or strongest or [TS]

01:05:43   most noble character there's nothing [TS]

01:05:44   keeping them alive in real life they you [TS]

01:05:47   know how many people die in wars and we [TS]

01:05:49   never know anything more about them it's [TS]

01:05:50   like you start trying to pick out [TS]

01:05:51   characters early on in the season I was [TS]

01:05:53   like is are you gonna be the one who [TS]

01:05:55   lives for a long time like wow seems [TS]

01:05:57   highly unlikely but you know and they [TS]

01:06:00   weren't showing her that much and like [TS]

01:06:01   trying to pair with Starks we're gonna [TS]

01:06:03   live like obviously with the rub the Rob [TS]

01:06:06   head fake but then it's like but Jon [TS]

01:06:08   Snow he's kind of you know moody and [TS]

01:06:11   like is that is we hang everything on [TS]

01:06:12   that answer [TS]

01:06:13   Sansa's a nitwit and like if you try to [TS]

01:06:16   figure out who's who's gonna make it [TS]

01:06:18   through and you realize as the show goes [TS]

01:06:19   on [TS]

01:06:19   they don't make it through because of [TS]

01:06:21   who they are they become who they are [TS]

01:06:23   because they made it through which i [TS]

01:06:25   think is something so charming about [TS]

01:06:27   this shit weird to call charming but [TS]

01:06:28   such forgot the show that like said that [TS]

01:06:31   it refuses to to like retcon itself to [TS]

01:06:35   say always always clear from the [TS]

01:06:37   beginning [TS]

01:06:38   the jon snow would be the hero of the [TS]

01:06:40   whole story that wasn't clear at all [TS]

01:06:41   like an amine he he didn't I you know we [TS]

01:06:44   can see it not only it wasn't clear he's [TS]

01:06:47   gonna do it he actually did I just you [TS]

01:06:48   know got a get-out-of-jail-free cards [TS]

01:06:50   and got better [TS]

01:06:51   yeah it was only mostly dead jaaniya at [TS]

01:06:54   this point in the show I its condition [TS]

01:06:57   me I think just to losing characters i [TS]

01:06:59   honestly cannot think of any character [TS]

01:07:01   right now that I would be truly [TS]

01:07:03   heartbreaking heartbroken to lose like [TS]

01:07:06   RX Tyrion oh god no I I would be happy [TS]

01:07:09   to see are you get off track yeah yeah [TS]

01:07:11   no I will I will have a one-person riot [TS]

01:07:14   like people will opportunity that's [TS]

01:07:17   right yeah perceiving characters even [TS]

01:07:19   the characters i really like I i still [TS]

01:07:21   feel like well I i would be alright with [TS]

01:07:24   it if they if they want because that's [TS]

01:07:25   just the way the show the only [TS]

01:07:26   characters that I i would say I never [TS]

01:07:29   thought they were going to die because [TS]

01:07:31   they they seemed so it's not it's not [TS]

01:07:34   the idea that the story is anybody can [TS]

01:07:36   die it's like sometimes there are [TS]

01:07:37   characters that if they died at a [TS]

01:07:39   certain point you'd be like why do i [TS]

01:07:40   watch them all this time because like [TS]

01:07:41   nothing happened there and so that's why [TS]

01:07:44   I always thought like Canaris is gonna [TS]

01:07:46   do something right i mean never ever [TS]

01:07:48   since she came out of you know when they [TS]

01:07:50   put the crown on her the golden crown on [TS]

01:07:52   her brother and kill them right at the [TS]

01:07:54   boys like okay she's gonna make it cuz [TS]

01:07:56   why are we following her all around if [TS]

01:07:58   that's like hey there was this business [TS]

01:07:59   girl over and in the in the east and she [TS]

01:08:02   was gonna be a queen in Westeros and oh [TS]

01:08:05   and she died like why would we do that [TS]

01:08:07   she's out there on her own [TS]

01:08:09   like if you're if you are away from [TS]

01:08:11   other characters then if you die your [TS]

01:08:13   entire thread of the story disappear so [TS]

01:08:15   it's difficult but to pick them up one [TS]

01:08:17   when you're in the mix it's easy I mean [TS]

01:08:19   I guess I Johnson I felt like he was [TS]

01:08:20   separated from everybody but I felt like [TS]

01:08:22   he could have been separated to you know [TS]

01:08:24   always send them off the wall that's [TS]

01:08:25   where I felt like the lesson of the [TS]

01:08:28   lessons we learned about the world and [TS]

01:08:29   him ranging north of the wall and being [TS]

01:08:32   the only character of real note who [TS]

01:08:35   could i mean i-i didn't think they were [TS]

01:08:37   going to pivot and say well I guess it's [TS]

01:08:38   all about the onion knight now right and [TS]

01:08:40   I love him he's my favorite character [TS]

01:08:41   but it was like it felt to me like even [TS]

01:08:43   when i read the book to and they kill [TS]

01:08:45   Jon Snow's like yeah that his story's [TS]

01:08:47   not done he's going to be back but those [TS]

01:08:49   are exceptions to the rule in most cases [TS]

01:08:51   take you know as much as I really like [TS]

01:08:53   Marjorie as a character Marjorie's death [TS]

01:08:55   is very important in terms of Cersei and [TS]

01:08:59   she's a very important character and so [TS]

01:09:00   I I kind of get that but it's true [TS]

01:09:03   again it's the law of economy of [TS]

01:09:05   characters again i would like to see [TS]

01:09:07   fewer characters we're reaching the end [TS]

01:09:08   game lots of people are gonna die [TS]

01:09:10   this is the moment where you don't [TS]

01:09:11   introduce new characters the sand snakes [TS]

01:09:14   whatever behind the hall come on I want [TS]

01:09:18   more of them whether they're already [TS]

01:09:20   here I don't know yeah they're exactly [TS]

01:09:22   exactly right but but it'sit's now it [TS]

01:09:24   doesn't feel like we're introducing lots [TS]

01:09:26   of characters and then killing them off [TS]

01:09:28   and the bloodbath will continue [TS]

01:09:29   indefinitely now it feels like we're in [TS]

01:09:31   the end game and people are gonna die [TS]

01:09:32   but they're going to die because the [TS]

01:09:34   whole story is narrowing everything is [TS]

01:09:36   coming together and that's a different [TS]

01:09:37   feeling to me than just like you know [TS]

01:09:40   random just everybody just keeps dying [TS]

01:09:42   randomly which is not as fun because you [TS]

01:09:44   don't get the sense like the story is [TS]

01:09:46   progressing well and when we get to the [TS]

01:09:47   end when we get the whole end of this [TS]

01:09:49   thing we're getting close to the end now [TS]

01:09:50   you will be able to back solve and tell [TS]

01:09:54   the tale of let me tell you about the [TS]

01:09:56   heroic Arya Stark or the heroic Tyrion [TS]

01:09:58   Lannister whoever it is who ends up [TS]

01:10:00   alive at the end a good position you no [TS]

01:10:03   matter which of the characters lives who [TS]

01:10:05   is currently live you will be able to [TS]

01:10:06   construct a narrative that makes them [TS]

01:10:08   the hero and you could really tell the [TS]

01:10:10   whole story as the story of Tyrion he [TS]

01:10:12   came from adversity and it looked like [TS]

01:10:14   he wasn't gonna make it himself but then [TS]

01:10:15   he became king of the Seven Kingdoms but [TS]

01:10:17   you know what I pick any character [TS]

01:10:19   wherever they end up they all you can [TS]

01:10:20   always you know because they have all [TS]

01:10:22   faced adversity and challenges and [TS]

01:10:24   unlikely you know her patterns or [TS]

01:10:26   whatever and that like it's just so nice [TS]

01:10:28   to see the story not told as if everyone [TS]

01:10:32   already knows how it ends but rather a [TS]

01:10:34   bunch of people moving forward in time [TS]

01:10:35   and a bunch of them don't make it and it [TS]

01:10:38   mostly disconnected from how likable [TS]

01:10:42   they are how noble they are what family [TS]

01:10:45   there from what advantages they had or [TS]

01:10:47   didn't have the beginning it truly is [TS]

01:10:50   kind of like the weather of the world [TS]

01:10:52   killing more or less indiscriminately [TS]

01:10:54   based on bad luck in circumstance and [TS]

01:10:57   things that people have no control over [TS]

01:10:59   and i like that i may remind me reading [TS]

01:11:02   the books i always thought like they're [TS]

01:11:04   so detailed and make any read so much [TS]

01:11:06   like they would be a history in a way [TS]

01:11:08   that I would always think that this is [TS]

01:11:11   the point where I would go to Wikipedia [TS]

01:11:12   and look up what happens to all these [TS]

01:11:14   people later on and history and you [TS]

01:11:16   can't do it with a game of thrones [TS]

01:11:17   because it's made up and that's I think [TS]

01:11:19   that's part of the appeal is that you [TS]

01:11:20   just don't you don't know where this is [TS]

01:11:21   going although i will say again it's a [TS]

01:11:24   song of ice and fire Denarius and jon [TS]

01:11:26   snow just saying seems pretty important [TS]

01:11:29   but you know we'll see [TS]

01:11:31   we don't know could be brand bran stark [TS]

01:11:33   interior our bar there they high-five at [TS]

01:11:35   the end that's what happens i don't know [TS]

01:11:37   I would be okay with it [TS]

01:11:40   beers and high five yeah it's also going [TS]

01:11:42   to be the return to be the I wanted to [TS]

01:11:45   be the young the lady Mormon she's the [TS]

01:11:48   only one yes you actually she's she is [TS]

01:11:51   the one character that i think i would [TS]

01:11:52   be the saddest if she died and she's [TS]

01:11:54   great she's pretty cool [TS]

01:11:55   she's pretty good I this season was such [TS]

01:11:57   an improvement over last season for me I [TS]

01:11:59   there like three points last season [TS]

01:12:02   where I was like I'm not gonna watch [TS]

01:12:04   this anymore and it was always you know [TS]

01:12:06   the sansa storyline and i thought was it [TS]

01:12:10   was brutal not i thought it was brutal [TS]

01:12:11   it was brutal [TS]

01:12:12   every time we got a female character a [TS]

01:12:15   new female character who seems like they [TS]

01:12:17   had you know agency and the ability to [TS]

01:12:20   make things happen and they could take [TS]

01:12:21   care of themselves they were like killed [TS]

01:12:23   sometimes in the same episode and I i [TS]

01:12:26   just it made me so angry I was like what [TS]

01:12:29   do these people have against women like [TS]

01:12:31   what the writers not the people in the [TS]

01:12:34   story what are the writers have against [TS]

01:12:35   women and this season was I don't want [TS]

01:12:39   to say it was redemptive but it was a it [TS]

01:12:42   was so much better and now we see Sansa [TS]

01:12:45   with agency and with like you know not [TS]

01:12:49   deferring to the person who she thinks [TS]

01:12:51   of as the head of her house she's like [TS]

01:12:53   okay well John you're gonna do this [TS]

01:12:55   thing I'm gonna go to my other thing and [TS]

01:12:58   then you know we'll hope it works out [TS]

01:13:00   I'm going to speak up for myself you [TS]

01:13:02   know the first season's it was all about [TS]

01:13:03   being a lady and tending to her [TS]

01:13:05   embroidery and doing what mother and [TS]

01:13:07   father said and you know i'm going to [TS]

01:13:09   marry the king and now she's like no [TS]

01:13:11   so that's this is this is not the path [TS]

01:13:14   for me i'm going to take care of myself [TS]

01:13:16   I've learned I need to take care of [TS]

01:13:17   myself and so I it was such a relief to [TS]

01:13:22   me to have kind of that turnaround and [TS]

01:13:27   for women in in the story like even [TS]

01:13:31   searcy is awful she has she was treated [TS]

01:13:34   so so poorly last season and I was kind [TS]

01:13:37   of glad to see the high Sparrow open [TS]

01:13:38   flame like I don't think we I don't I [TS]

01:13:43   think that he had an agenda and I don't [TS]

01:13:46   know that we'll ever know what his [TS]

01:13:47   agenda was and i do not think it was you [TS]

01:13:50   know honoring the gods i think he was up [TS]

01:13:52   to something we may not know what that [TS]

01:13:54   was but a I've heard people say that [TS]

01:13:57   this season was really weak that the the [TS]

01:13:59   storytelling was weak and I patently [TS]

01:14:01   disagree with ya better with people are [TS]

01:14:04   but they're formats that is crazy i yeah [TS]

01:14:06   i just want to give you a great big high [TS]

01:14:07   five only because I felt the same way I [TS]

01:14:09   mean after a hard home was the moment [TS]

01:14:12   that i almost just gave up on the show [TS]

01:14:14   and honestly anybody who did give up [TS]

01:14:15   last season I don't blame you but yeah [TS]

01:14:17   there was plenty plenty of good reason [TS]

01:14:19   to do so but I am glad that I didn't [TS]

01:14:23   even though i will probably never watch [TS]

01:14:25   hard home again ever [TS]

01:14:27   i I'm glad that I didn't because I I got [TS]

01:14:30   to see it's not just that the last few [TS]

01:14:32   seasons were bleak because that's how [TS]

01:14:34   narrative storytelling works you know [TS]

01:14:35   darkest before the dawn but also yes [TS]

01:14:38   that I don't know if they were paying [TS]

01:14:39   attention to people's complaints or what [TS]

01:14:41   or if they finally just got their heads [TS]

01:14:43   out of their bums but yet the women are [TS]

01:14:45   have been written much much better this [TS]

01:14:46   season and I mean that you have episodes [TS]

01:14:49   where it's just just the ladies talking [TS]

01:14:51   to each other and being amazing i mean [TS]

01:14:53   that the throne room scene between Danny [TS]

01:14:56   and Yara I just had to stand up in my [TS]

01:14:59   room here it was because it was [TS]

01:15:01   overblown it wasn't overdone they didn't [TS]

01:15:03   throw it in your face as much as they [TS]

01:15:06   very very well could have so I mean that [TS]

01:15:08   each character was still their own sort [TS]

01:15:10   of dry subtle self and it just played [TS]

01:15:13   off of each other so well so i think [TS]

01:15:15   really when you look at all of the major [TS]

01:15:18   power structures that we have in this [TS]

01:15:19   world at this point have a woman at the [TS]

01:15:22   top or very very near to the top [TS]

01:15:25   which is not something I would've [TS]

01:15:26   expected after the first few seasons of [TS]

01:15:27   the show so i'm i'm excited to see where [TS]

01:15:30   it goes and and hope that you know this [TS]

01:15:32   trend continues of if the women aren't [TS]

01:15:34   necessarily completely with succeeding I [TS]

01:15:37   want them to fail for good reasons for [TS]

01:15:40   me you know overcome not because they [TS]

01:15:42   are you know stupid or feminine or have [TS]

01:15:44   some type of very gendered motivation [TS]

01:15:46   like not being able to kill a baby some [TS]

01:15:48   people [TS]

01:15:49   oh yeah haha yeah as long as they can as [TS]

01:15:52   long as they can go down fighting in [TS]

01:15:54   whatever manner that happens to be for [TS]

01:15:55   the character i'm good with that and hey [TS]

01:15:57   we had more Diana regular season and if [TS]

01:15:59   we can keep having more dynamic i will [TS]

01:16:01   be happy no matter what I'd be sad if [TS]

01:16:03   she died too but not like I really [TS]

01:16:04   thought that she was gonna buy today at [TS]

01:16:06   some point there but I'm glad you made [TS]

01:16:07   it a lot Marjorie got her out right she [TS]

01:16:09   said her little flower note for those ya [TS]

01:16:11   little note to get on a grandmother this [TS]

01:16:13   guy you can't be here anymore [TS]

01:16:14   uh yeah I liked it a lot i like the [TS]

01:16:17   season a lot i felt like i like all of [TS]

01:16:19   you have said they were unburdened I [TS]

01:16:22   think I kind of my pet theory is that I [TS]

01:16:24   feel like they were honoring george RR [TS]

01:16:27   martin and i would include things that [TS]

01:16:29   they might otherwise have left out and [TS]

01:16:32   now that they don't have books to base [TS]

01:16:34   on they just got kind of a plot outline [TS]

01:16:36   they're able to kind of make better [TS]

01:16:38   decisions for television and it felt [TS]

01:16:40   like it everything started picking up I [TS]

01:16:41   felt the whole season really moved a lot [TS]

01:16:44   faster than last season even from the [TS]

01:16:45   start [TS]

01:16:46   there were a couple episodes of setup [TS]

01:16:47   but the the I thought though there was a [TS]

01:16:49   lot of plot advancement and and the [TS]

01:16:52   story coming together at the end and hey [TS]

01:16:53   after six seasons dinero sexually is [TS]

01:16:56   like on a boat heading west that is [TS]

01:16:58   progress [TS]

01:16:59   I say yeah if we were each if we were [TS]

01:17:01   still going by joining his timetable I [TS]

01:17:03   don't want she would have gotten like [TS]

01:17:04   for the you-know-what what is further [TS]

01:17:07   west than Western just find out let's [TS]

01:17:09   spend some serious time you know they in [TS]

01:17:12   the books they say something about like [TS]

01:17:13   to there's a prophecy of like to go west [TS]

01:17:15   you must first go east and I thought oh [TS]

01:17:17   god how far east you have to go like you [TS]

01:17:19   did no no just keep sailing is maybe a [TS]

01:17:21   wraparound is she's finding she's [TS]

01:17:24   finding the passage in you know you'll [TS]

01:17:26   find that it's a discworld then it's [TS]

01:17:27   over here cross over at all that would [TS]

01:17:30   be made what if what if the game of [TS]

01:17:32   thrones universe is just the other side [TS]

01:17:33   of the difference right is corporal only [TS]

01:17:36   got hold on ecology [TS]

01:17:37   my head hurts ok anything else about [TS]

01:17:40   Game of Thrones Season six people wanna [TS]

01:17:41   throw out before we wrap it up [TS]

01:17:43   well they are we do should we discuss [TS]

01:17:45   the I'm sure that probably came up in [TS]

01:17:47   the end of the game of thrones cast you [TS]

01:17:49   but the Jon Snow parentage again sort of [TS]

01:17:53   like the reveal potentially of of [TS]

01:17:55   something that's hung over the entire [TS]

01:17:57   show basically I mean my favourite bit [TS]

01:17:59   still being you know hey Ned says I'll [TS]

01:18:01   tell you about your mom next time i see [TS]

01:18:03   you never gave her and never again [TS]

01:18:05   no it's so sad now and famously when [TS]

01:18:08   george RR martin met with Benioff and [TS]

01:18:09   Weiss the producers to talk to them [TS]

01:18:12   about possibly making a show based on [TS]

01:18:14   his books that's actually the cool the [TS]

01:18:16   question he quizzed them with witches [TS]

01:18:17   who do you think Jon Snow's parents are [TS]

01:18:19   and they gave george RR martin the right [TS]

01:18:21   answer which is liana stark and what [TS]

01:18:25   Rhaegar Targaryen Rhaegar Targaryen yeah [TS]

01:18:27   i just wanna say that's why you leave a [TS]

01:18:29   note by the way [TS]

01:18:30   yeah it should be opened in the in the [TS]

01:18:32   event of my death [TS]

01:18:34   I'm hoping that that truce doesn't come [TS]

01:18:36   out like we have been we've been showing [TS]

01:18:38   this because of brands vision and that [TS]

01:18:40   brand either dies or never tells anyone [TS]

01:18:42   he's alive and he's never mentioned [TS]

01:18:43   again for the rest of the show we just [TS]

01:18:45   assume like that that's the total game [TS]

01:18:47   thrones thing to do because in many [TS]

01:18:49   histories like how someone's actually [TS]

01:18:50   didn't know that package but they died [TS]

01:18:52   before they could tell anybody or they [TS]

01:18:53   never told anybody [TS]

01:18:54   the end no I think what's gonna happen [TS]

01:18:56   is like there's going to be a big like [TS]

01:18:58   explosion or flames of you know [TS]

01:19:00   sometimes we go on fire and jon snow is [TS]

01:19:02   gonna walk out of it totally naked and [TS]

01:19:04   unburned and he's gonna be like what the [TS]

01:19:06   hell just happened brands gonna go oh [TS]

01:19:07   did I not tell you you're a Targaryen it [TS]

01:19:11   is that a recessive Targaryen gene or is [TS]

01:19:14   that like because I because what's his [TS]

01:19:16   name [TS]

01:19:16   Daenerys brother-sister particularly [TS]

01:19:18   heat-resistant no not-not-not the molten [TS]

01:19:21   gold anyway it would have been pretty [TS]

01:19:22   funny if you have jobs that was all pan [TS]

01:19:24   I totally should have let Melisandre [TS]

01:19:26   sipping on fire i thought that was the [TS]

01:19:28   right play [TS]

01:19:29   yeah well I don't know but yeah I i [TS]

01:19:31   suspect of it that's going to come up [TS]

01:19:32   the to Jon Snow is a like the nephew of [TS]

01:19:37   benares I think you know [TS]

01:19:39   yeah that's right he can get Mary's and [TS]

01:19:41   yeah well the data that we've told been [TS]

01:19:43   told the Targaryen actually do marry in [TS]

01:19:45   their family so they could totally get [TS]

01:19:47   married [TS]

01:19:48   that doesn't make it okay [TS]

01:19:49   that's how you get the Mad King right [TS]

01:19:51   that is how you get an American yeah [TS]

01:19:52   yeah they don't we just back around [TS]

01:19:55   we're back around to look at our aim [TS]

01:19:56   problems before yeah well you know yeah [TS]

01:19:58   totally better history always repeats [TS]

01:20:00   itself you know [TS]

01:20:01   alright and to end Tyrion getting a [TS]

01:20:03   getting I I thought it was a really [TS]

01:20:05   sweet seem the the scene where Tyrion [TS]

01:20:08   kind of drops his guard is being the [TS]

01:20:11   cynical guy and it's like no I believe [TS]

01:20:13   in you and she makes him a hand of the [TS]

01:20:14   Queen and all that that was all just [TS]

01:20:16   that skirts that was made me cry and [TS]

01:20:18   yeah [TS]

01:20:19   Atlanta Syrians fate has a someone who's [TS]

01:20:22   not going to make it may be doing to [TS]

01:20:24   draw circles on the only thing keeping [TS]

01:20:26   you alive but only with his only with [TS]

01:20:28   with her with her only with his queen [TS]

01:20:30   he's doing that is the love of his life [TS]

01:20:32   to I think Tyrians gotta have a you know [TS]

01:20:36   he's going to get get seriously i think [TS]

01:20:38   i think that's he's gonna be he's gonna [TS]

01:20:40   meet his brother and sister again at [TS]

01:20:43   some point in a dramatic fashion I think [TS]

01:20:45   that has to happen to you [TS]

01:20:47   where's uncle kevin they want huh [TS]

01:20:49   couldn't couldn't could make it the [TS]

01:20:52   thing blew up the side it was [TS]

01:20:54   Thanksgiving dinner [TS]

01:20:55   yeah sorry Kevin oh alright well onward [TS]

01:21:00   to the next game of thrones season [TS]

01:21:02   whenever it shows up because apparently [TS]

01:21:03   they've delayed filming they claim [TS]

01:21:06   because there's winter is not coming [TS]

01:21:08   yeah they need they need the skies to be [TS]

01:21:10   gloomy here so they can shoot the winter [TS]

01:21:12   scenes in their locations but it's been [TS]

01:21:17   fun talking game of thrones and many [TS]

01:21:18   other shows with my panel and i will i [TS]

01:21:21   will say again there are 10 episodes of [TS]

01:21:23   the TV podcast at the incomparable com [TS]

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01:21:30   single episode of Game of Thrones this [TS]

01:21:31   season if you would like to listen to [TS]

01:21:33   those thanks to my panelists for being [TS]

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01:21:38   time away from their busy [TS]

01:21:39   television-watching to be on a podcast [TS]

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01:21:43   being here [TS]

01:21:44   I thanks for having me i should go back [TS]

01:21:46   to watching television now David Laura [TS]

01:21:47   know you've been quiet for the last [TS]

01:21:49   little bit thank you so much for being [TS]

01:21:50   on anytime i'm i'm excited to go back [TS]

01:21:53   and watch all of season six now that I [TS]

01:21:55   know what happened yes exactly right you [TS]

01:21:57   just get caught up on the game of [TS]

01:21:58   thrones brian hamilton thanks a lot for [TS]

01:22:00   being here i'd like to make it a true [TS]

01:22:02   Daily Double in me [TS]

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01:22:16   man waits patiently for the next season [TS]

01:22:17   only in Sims thank you very much [TS]

01:22:22   I've got daredevil waiting for me gotta [TS]

01:22:24   go I don't know and Erica and sign [TS]

01:22:27   thanks thanks a lot as usual you guys [TS]

01:22:30   have made me feel like I'm not watching [TS]

01:22:31   enough TV so thank god Erica get with [TS]

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01:22:47   week right [TS]

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