0:00:00the incomparable podcast number 103
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0:00:18welcome back to the incomparable podcast
0:00:20this is jason Snell and i'm joined today
0:00:22by v2 stalwart members of our comfort
0:00:25Club we haven't met in a little while
0:00:26but we managed to get us all back
0:00:28together in the same room believe it or
0:00:30not
0:00:31Lisa Schmeisser joins us hi Lisa like
0:00:34you to be back you know you're you're on
0:00:35lots of incomparable these days but the
0:00:37comic book club has been has been scarce
0:00:39for a little bit
0:00:40it has been busy yeah sure sure we've
0:00:43been busy all of my comments are in
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0:00:46yeah yeah that's right that's right
0:00:48don't read anything and also jason
0:00:50reitman is here it is fantastic to be
0:00:52back
0:00:53it is great to have you here and this is
0:00:54where in our temporary podcasts to do
0:00:56here but it should it should work out
0:01:00just fine
0:01:00so when we set up this the this
0:01:04conversation we were talking about it
0:01:07like the Avengers just come out which
0:01:09brought up the the question of teams
0:01:11super teams in general it which i think
0:01:14is a good question because i was
0:01:17watching The Avengers and I enjoy the
0:01:18adventure some people didn't but I i
0:01:20enjoyed it and I but there is a some
0:01:23there's a level of kind of silliness of
0:01:25you know one superhero was kind of silly
0:01:28but like eight different superheroes
0:01:30with different powers is really a can be
0:01:35really ridiculous it's hard to suspend
0:01:37disbelief with one you do a whole caste
0:01:39of them and then it just yeah you're
0:01:40right totally ridiculous one of my
0:01:42favorite series in the nineties with
0:01:43storm watch and they do an alternate
0:01:46worlds storyline towards the end of the
0:01:49original run what we're in this
0:01:51alternate world it turns out that i hope
0:01:52that there's 24 of them working in
0:01:54concert and the superheroes for watching
0:01:57this were like you can't have that many
0:01:59superheroes in one room unless they are
0:02:01all on really heavy medication because
0:02:03the nature of being superheroes you have
0:02:07these powers
0:02:07you're also socially maladaptive if
0:02:09there's one of you that's fine if
0:02:10there's two of you
0:02:12there's going to be a brawl if there's
0:02:1324 of you entire cities get leveled and
0:02:16that's always been my thing about
0:02:17superhero teams is what impetus to any
0:02:21of these people have to get along with
0:02:22anybody else
0:02:23well and isn't the the super-powered
0:02:26pretty this crazy creation of a
0:02:28super-powered humans somebody bigger
0:02:30than humanity
0:02:31is most interesting when it's put in
0:02:34opposition to humanity and and it you
0:02:36know and then you've got them surrounded
0:02:37by other people who are similarly or
0:02:39differently super and that's a whole
0:02:42different dynamic it's not to say that
0:02:43it can't work but it's a really
0:02:45different approach than saying you know
0:02:47this is about Peter Parker and he's a
0:02:49kid who has powers and everybody else
0:02:51doesn't have powers and doesn't know
0:02:52he's got powers and how does he deal
0:02:54with it that I I you know that's pretty
0:02:56straightforward compared to these are
0:02:59even which is this lady even with the
0:03:00Fantastic Four there's sort of a family
0:03:02kind of because because reading soon and
0:03:05and then Johnny and then it breeds
0:03:08childhood friend been right but end the
0:03:10incredibles obviously as a family
0:03:12dynamic and very fantastic for like to
0:03:14but these kind of you know it's free you
0:03:17know just a random assortment Justice
0:03:19League Avengers they're just gonna
0:03:21smoosh together it's the idea and you
0:03:22would see this the Avengers every now
0:03:24and then where they're just all kind of
0:03:26sitting around a living room or around a
0:03:28conference table in their costumes
0:03:31yeah chatting like it's a good cup of
0:03:34coffee right it's kind of hard commerce
0:03:36exist guys let's just get jeans and
0:03:38t-shirts a right it's the workplace uh
0:03:40it's a workplace to come except it's a
0:03:42it's a drama and it's maybe and it's
0:03:45super well if it isn't adventures it
0:03:47pretty much is a workplace that job
0:03:49because these guys don't do this
0:03:50recreationally there at their own shield
0:03:52payroll or some of them are anyway Tom
0:03:55wherein twenty stark funded the Avengers
0:03:57for a long time to keep them on a
0:03:59payroll
0:03:59yeah I can't keep the entire story
0:04:01straight because Marvel who does so many
0:04:04switchbacks and so on and so forth but
0:04:05yet some point Tony's there on Tony
0:04:07Stark's payroll they all live in that
0:04:09that our together and they work together
0:04:10which sounds like my idea of hell and it
0:04:13isn't that weird but they have their own
0:04:14worlds to me not the other thing is some
0:04:16some of them
0:04:17Hawkeye doesn't alright we just wish for
0:04:19Marvel DC but they're all you know so
0:04:24excited talking about how the actual the
0:04:25concept doesn't work but could it
0:04:28are there examples where he does work
0:04:31well i think the fit and that's a great
0:04:32question usually host of this episode
0:04:34the authority interesting i was going to
0:04:37say that the the family examples that I
0:04:38gave our sort of my attempt like it's a
0:04:40family not a team if you can connect
0:04:42them in a you know well team
0:04:44team it's like not enough what is the
0:04:46bond that connects them and is it is it
0:04:49a shared of you know the problem with
0:04:51these teams i can get understand them
0:04:52banding together to fight a menace
0:04:54that's a cosmic big-scale Menace but the
0:04:57sort of like we're an ongoing kind of
0:04:59people and there's all kinds of
0:05:00circumstance for example if you look at
0:05:02the runaways who basically become a de
0:05:04facto teenaged super power to ya the
0:05:08response of circumstances though
0:05:09circumstances our parents are evil and
0:05:11trying to sell the world to two giant
0:05:13space demons from another dimension if
0:05:15Joss Whedon truly is can go to consult
0:05:17on a live-action Marvel based TV show
0:05:19for ABC he would have been really lovely
0:05:22little runaway would be the runaways
0:05:23that so so you have you have teams of
0:05:25circumstance like The Runaways and that
0:05:27seems to work out it's working out for
0:05:29them well enough because you can still
0:05:31have a lot of interesting things happen
0:05:32by virtue of the fact they're teenagers
0:05:33you have teams that are based on
0:05:35ideology like the authority because the
0:05:38thing that the five of them all have in
0:05:40common is we have superpowers and we
0:05:42have no problem using them to fix the
0:05:44world as we see fit and that's that's
0:05:46pretty much that the unifying principle
0:05:48that all five of them have going forth
0:05:50and then you have teams that are brought
0:05:52together through self interest for
0:05:54example i'm thinking of delsym own
0:05:55secret six where they're all they're all
0:05:58anti-heroes or or even really really
0:06:00mediocre villains and in the the origin
0:06:04story they get flung together by
0:06:05somebody who turns out to be Lex Luthor
0:06:07and uh huh
0:06:09they were like please feel free to work
0:06:10together or feel free to lose your life
0:06:12and all of them said you make a good
0:06:15point and they began working together on
0:06:17the thing that doesn't hold it for me is
0:06:20something
0:06:21well and this happens over and over in
0:06:22the Marvel verse is we live together we
0:06:24work together we hang out with each
0:06:26other constantly and I wonder if it's
0:06:29designed to appeal to teenagers things
0:06:31like the x-men or boat ride over in
0:06:33every school right there is I wanted my
0:06:35students always felt more like that than
0:06:37the experiment was a success for these
0:06:38are the original x-men I wonder if it's
0:06:40designed to explicitly to appeal to
0:06:42people whose whose entire social and
0:06:45vocational lives revolve around school
0:06:46at the moment where you know when your
0:06:48teenager your world is actually pretty
0:06:49circumscribed by family and by school so
0:06:51are you are using resting comics are
0:06:54kind of geared towards under overweight
0:06:56teenage boys
0:06:58never thought of it that way interesting
0:07:02the great dichotomy between the comics
0:07:04that are targeted overweight boys vs
0:07:07underway boys the skin I somebody walks
0:07:10into like get skinny comics to the left
0:07:11that that comics to the right
0:07:14what would be a bad comic friendship
0:07:16army America's I'm thinking spiderman
0:07:21spiderman fellow a common economic who
0:07:24what
0:07:24what's a what's a skinny guy starts out
0:07:27as a skinny he does but he's still the
0:07:30in your way to the kid that everybody
0:07:32picks on is put down which happens more
0:07:33for the facts and really consider kids
0:07:35so what's the skinny person skinny kid
0:07:37comic Vertigo's entirely kinda thinking
0:07:41ya sad to think that we were associated
0:07:45with golf which again not entirely in
0:07:47and out here while the subject is
0:07:49horrible crippling stereotypes that
0:07:51childhood trauma rounds no but I I think
0:07:57I mean what we seem to be sort of
0:07:58talking about is teams maybe make more
0:08:02sense when there is this underlying
0:08:03principle that gives you really have to
0:08:05have a reason for them that this
0:08:07connective tissue this this this bond
0:08:10that that makes them make more sense and
0:08:13and if it is just I mean that that's
0:08:15that's the issue with like justice
0:08:16league in the Avengers where I've been
0:08:18yeah it's like we're here to defend the
0:08:19planet but it's not quite the same as
0:08:21something like the authority that we're
0:08:24here to fix the planet as we see fit or
0:08:26the Exile cementing treatments you know
0:08:28the Exiles which I which I really liked
0:08:30which was a you know x-men from
0:08:33alternate universes banding together
0:08:34which they now serve Doug great pockets
0:08:36redoing that now essentially as extreme
0:08:38x-men but it's really the Exiles its
0:08:40alternate versions of them and they're
0:08:42sent out of their own reality so they're
0:08:44lost and they kind of have to band
0:08:45together to try to you know commit
0:08:48various horrible crimes and do these
0:08:50other missions in order to get back home
0:08:52theoretically sometimes that's like lost
0:08:54the TV serial it a little bit like that
0:08:56but again they have a reason well it
0:08:57turns out there's a plot twist about 50
0:08:59issues in which i'm not gonna heavily
0:09:00spoil out that they say it reminds me
0:09:02here okay spoiler yeah
0:09:07miles away would you like wildlife video
0:09:10podcast this place you can still faces
0:09:12we make that spoiler spoiler back but
0:09:15the Exiles it ends up being actually a
0:09:17little bit more like the authority and
0:09:20storm watch where it turns out that
0:09:21there there is a backstory to who is
0:09:24sending them from reality the reality
0:09:25and there's like a head office for the
0:09:28the time brokers reality things but
0:09:30leave again there's an underlying
0:09:32principle there they have to be together
0:09:34for some reason not just because they're
0:09:35powerful and what was used to fight one
0:09:38of the most interesting Marvel team-up
0:09:39so that I consistently enjoy is x factor
0:09:42which centers around magic Matt Jamie
0:09:45Maddox's ex-factory investigations where
0:09:47he's out of the superhero game he just
0:09:49wants to solve crimes just a multiple
0:09:52man right yeah man yeah he basically
0:09:54goes by Jamie written by your computer
0:09:56david ben by popular I dropped it after
0:09:59the after the nightmare inducing birth
0:10:01storyline but but for the first 50
0:10:05issues or so it was basically just a
0:10:07bunch of people who
0:10:08and to be fair you have the whole their
0:10:10co-workers conceit but these guys had
0:10:12more latitude to come and go then say
0:10:14the x-men seem too and it was mostly
0:10:16well i have to learn how to work with
0:10:18you
0:10:18situation and I like it when the teams
0:10:21are living in each other's back pockets
0:10:23but rather have pretty clearly defined
0:10:24boundaries this is what we do this right
0:10:26here this is how I'm going to relate to
0:10:28you and I'm going to take a break for
0:10:30you that we're done
0:10:31huh yeah yeah I just don't understand
0:10:34when they all live and work together and
0:10:37do so for hundreds upon hundreds of
0:10:39issues at a time once you get you get
0:10:40your main characters and you're
0:10:41supporting characters and so you get
0:10:42Superman and Batman and Wonder Woman are
0:10:44you you get you know Captain America and
0:10:46Iron Man and Wolverine in the end in the
0:10:48comics but not in movies because they
0:10:5020th century fox won't let that happen
0:10:52and spider-man but not the movies
0:10:54because columbia pictures won't let that
0:10:56happen I would worry from Hugh Jackman's
0:10:57health actually if he were to be
0:10:59imported into one of the the again on
0:11:03huge Ackman Robert Downey jr. Oh what
0:11:05would that be like a thousand overviews
0:11:08of exploded for happiness so that no one
0:11:10like Hugh Jackman's it is not for
0:11:11underweight and overweight chris evans
0:11:13is like this this 20-something how he
0:11:15could benchpress the rest of them I mean
0:11:16a few Jackman tries to keep his heart
0:11:18could burst
0:11:19I mean it's just anyway so this is
0:11:22absolutely how does your primaries but
0:11:24but the second then you've got your Hawk
0:11:26eyes or your Martian Manhunter your
0:11:29Hawkman you're going to get the entire
0:11:30tell me I I don't know who the beep that
0:11:33beep team is you've exposed my complete
0:11:35lack of DC knowledge that I don't even
0:11:36know what the Justice League be team is
0:11:38Adam an ant-man are well yeah when you
0:11:42have a second to your players and the
0:11:43wasp is on the Avengers and what do you
0:11:46know if they're also trying to reshuffle
0:11:47things because they keep throwing Black
0:11:48Canary into like justice league team
0:11:50leadership and and and pushing up to the
0:11:52818 and while philosophically I have no
0:11:55problem with that
0:11:56I feel sort of contrived but yeah you've
0:12:01got your you've got your you're a list
0:12:03in the DC Universe and then you've got
0:12:05the ones who pop in and pop that as
0:12:06necessary like Red Tornado and
0:12:09definitely a CD player
0:12:11oh god I'm you know I'm even blanking on
0:12:13the B players at this point because I'm
0:12:15Allah Azza town so sometimes they put
0:12:19the B players in charge
0:12:20yeah which is funny yeah and the
0:12:22programs i remember reading The Avengers
0:12:23when it was all vision and Scarlet Witch
0:12:25we're basically in charge and I was the
0:12:27Avengers always coast sure an authorized
0:12:29team and the and the the Great Lakes
0:12:32adventures of course which is one of
0:12:33those so it's interesting that we're
0:12:36important where it started and while
0:12:37fishing for a hike and guard where we're
0:12:40talking about team books right and ryan
0:12:43teams and it's interesting when you
0:12:46think of television you don't think of
0:12:47its a team show on television Colin and
0:12:50sambal caps and and is there a
0:12:52difference between a team book and what
0:12:56happens on television with in samba
0:12:58schools i would argue that there is yeah
0:13:00yeah and you can have in samples with
0:13:02with lead characters with an ensemble
0:13:04built around them which is you know I
0:13:09see that all the time but it tends to
0:13:10not be super e superpower EP people
0:13:12around them although i'm going to bring
0:13:14up my favorite TV show of all time buffy
0:13:16the vampire slayer it turns out that
0:13:17many of the in-sample characters did
0:13:19have powers but Buffy was at the core of
0:13:21it as opposed to I know where you're
0:13:23going with this which is top 10 by Alan
0:13:25Moore which we're going to talk about
0:13:27which is like Hill Street loser and not
0:13:29even like NYPD Blue Hill Street Blues
0:13:31where there's literally
0:13:32sure no lead character now this great
0:13:35main character is the police precinct
0:13:37and and that's a you know or like that's
0:13:40like a hospital show almost like it
0:13:42anyway the main character is is the is
0:13:43the is the shared is the universe or the
0:13:46war the fictitious world because you
0:13:47know before this podcast started we're
0:13:50trying to get it going everybody was
0:13:51talking about the little details that
0:13:52build up this fantastic role in top 10
0:13:54and i think the guy i think the world is
0:13:56the main character much the same way
0:13:58that Baltimore is the main character of
0:13:59this of the show the wire
0:14:01mm you know everybody else is just kind
0:14:04of moving within you know
0:14:05yeah no that'sthat's that's it so so
0:14:07before we get to alan moore and top 10
0:14:11i'm just wondering are there any other
0:14:13any other thoughts we should we should
0:14:14talk about the Avengers at least briefly
0:14:16in this context like I i enjoyed it
0:14:20I I thought it was fun you know I
0:14:22thought it was fun and I met and I like
0:14:24I enjoyed the interplay because if
0:14:25you're going to have ridiculously
0:14:27powered people all bumping into each
0:14:29other you know you've got to have them
0:14:31fight based on a misunderstanding
0:14:32because that has to happen but but you
0:14:34you've got to have this giant outside
0:14:35personalities and powers bang off each
0:14:37other and I you know and that was for me
0:14:40that was what was fun about it is that
0:14:41that it didn't take it seriously and i
0:14:44read that they're gonna do you no
0:14:46justice league movie from DC and it's
0:14:48going to be sort of got responsibilities
0:14:50the same sensibility of christopher
0:14:52nolan kind of stuff and I just think how
0:14:54can you it's just I can't even imagine i
0:14:56think it needs to be ridiculous and oh
0:14:58and it's and that's why i like you good
0:14:59man how can you have us
0:15:01christopher nolan style movie with
0:15:02automatic a lebaron yet haven't like
0:15:05sitting in a murky tank or a ball in the
0:15:07air pneus to see Chris Nolan and stuff
0:15:09people for a long time that you can only
0:15:12do a campy Batman trail you know so they
0:15:14all schumacher actually was as part of
0:15:16the slide to it not but he was part of
0:15:18the slide towards a darker more complex
0:15:20back then because first they did
0:15:21aesthetically and then they did it
0:15:22automatically I after his Batman I vowed
0:15:25never to see joel schumacher film ever
0:15:28and i'm happy to say I've never gotten
0:15:30most of Hollywood feels the same yeah so
0:15:33the avengers movie i was pleasantly
0:15:35surprised and it was and it was those
0:15:37kind of playful moments of Tony Stark
0:15:40kind of
0:15:41poking bruce banner and and yes but
0:15:43that's clearly the best thing in the
0:15:45movies yeah it's the Tony Stark Bruce
0:15:46Banner relationships forwards there and
0:15:48he's a pain and Captain America is very
0:15:50square-jawed and yet has a sense of
0:15:52humor and kind of first Tony's bubble of
0:15:54baseball cards
0:15:55yeah and videos i thought it was a
0:15:57better movie then then it should take it
0:16:01should have been yeah like it was a
0:16:03really worked well when you hire a lot
0:16:05of oscar nominees to run around in
0:16:07tights
0:16:08I thought twice and the first time I saw
0:16:10it's not an opening weekend with my
0:16:11brother and all of his pals who actually
0:16:13work in and around the comic industry
0:16:15and it was a very fannish experiencing
0:16:18people laughing and applauding and and
0:16:20although there was some tool who kept
0:16:22screaming towards and you can't leave
0:16:23yet there's a second-stringer see
0:16:25there's a second thing which all right
0:16:28shut up
0:16:29it was you know that are being helpful
0:16:32so you know I enjoy and I enjoyed the
0:16:34communal experience and and really got
0:16:36into the movie and was relieved that it
0:16:37was actually good or relieved that it
0:16:39was actually enjoyable because it could
0:16:40have been so bad it could been like a
0:16:42fantastic four level bad and who ya bad
0:16:45we dodged a bullet right so then i read
0:16:48about the movie and I dragged my husband
0:16:49to see it
0:16:50my husband who likes neither superhero
0:16:52films nor joss whedon yeah and we get
0:16:58out of that and feels like it's not
0:17:01fight disliked it per se at home oh man
0:17:04and we actually then spent dinner
0:17:06talking about what he correctly pointed
0:17:09out he thought were some of the weak
0:17:10parts of the films such as well with it
0:17:11totally everybody sounds like because
0:17:13everybody sounds so much like a joss
0:17:15whedon character you've got you know
0:17:17you've got a billionaire who has
0:17:19basically the same sort of snappy patter
0:17:21as a loaner who's been living in
0:17:24Calcutta top as a off-the-grid doctor as
0:17:28somebody who was raised in the redwood
0:17:29room in Russia as Captain America so
0:17:33you've got these people from five
0:17:34different periods of time and
0:17:35backgrounds who all sound alike and you
0:17:37know that's that's kind of a joss whedon
0:17:38tick it is that said having again having
0:17:42seen it twice better than it had the
0:17:44right to be an enjoyable experience and
0:17:47oh thank god
0:17:49yeah yeah I know and and their arguments
0:17:51every night I had this argument with an
0:17:52do not go on on this podcast then that
0:17:55uh you know the expectation shouldn't
0:17:57factor into it but i think on one level
0:17:58on one level it does because if you go
0:18:01in with to someplace with a little
0:18:02expectation and you end up with a high
0:18:03expectation that affects your judgment
0:18:06but also i just think about it just on a
0:18:09very basic level of could an avengers
0:18:11movie ever be anything but a train wreck
0:18:13and it I would not put the flashes very
0:18:16high fever was such a disappointment
0:18:18evil because even with kenneth branagh
0:18:20directing it and you've had a fairly
0:18:22solid cast it was still really
0:18:23disappointing very inert movie and I
0:18:25thought you know we could end up with
0:18:27something just as in her where it sits
0:18:29there is a mission and they all come
0:18:30together blood and said it was just kind
0:18:33of the Zippy here's how the team gets
0:18:34together and oh by the way Hawkeye
0:18:36spends most of the movie working against
0:18:38them and it was very joss whedon yeah
0:18:40like they didn't I think it only worked
0:18:42because he knows how do i want the good
0:18:44and bad it was very just I think given
0:18:46given all the Givens their of what he
0:18:49had to do because of how they'd set it
0:18:50up in fact that he sort of inserted his
0:18:53own voice in me and that he was coming
0:18:56saving it
0:18:56yeah I think he did which is great
0:18:58because usually mark ruffalo is the MVP
0:19:00of that movie over and over laughs yeah
0:19:02they finally got it right with the Hulk
0:19:04well I think it's your expert third
0:19:06third third try anything since your
0:19:08expectations because the hooks movies
0:19:09were so bad
0:19:11oh and both in their different ways i
0:19:14don't think i've ever seen the edward
0:19:15norton one I would it's bad in the way
0:19:18the the Superman remake movie was bad oh
0:19:21well it's a little bit to try to pay
0:19:24homage Jim the TV show do did it they
0:19:28use the music and everything or did you
0:19:29don't know
0:19:30yeah i got so one more thing that it
0:19:35didn't occur to me till just now the
0:19:37x-men first class
0:19:39oh yeah did a really good kind of team
0:19:42movie that didn't use the kind of humor
0:19:45joss whedon pitter-patter and still
0:19:48pulled it off
0:19:49they also had a stellar cast x january
0:19:52jones though because she was not see you
0:19:54see I have to put a disclaimer but you
0:19:56know when you've got Jennifer Lawrence
0:19:57and it was grains mcavoy and Michael
0:20:01Fassbender it took not remember his name
0:20:03like you know the guy who's naked a lot
0:20:04Michael hydroxyl in the on-screen I need
0:20:08magneto yeah but she's still pretty
0:20:11oh yeah sure sure she is but that was
0:20:14just do that he had to sound like a
0:20:15madman frost that was a question as to
0:20:18who is hollywood today would make a
0:20:19really good at my frost because i have
0:20:21been banging my brains out
0:20:22transportation sound it's not a
0:20:23conversation with Lisa without some
0:20:25fantasy movie casting I missed my
0:20:28calling is why we should do a fantasy
0:20:30movie casting episode so yeah because
0:20:31you would just own it
0:20:33who would be an emma frost I don't know
0:20:34yeah I have no idea somebody well maybe
0:20:36the answer is there isn't anybody in
0:20:38january jones was the best they could
0:20:39get but we'll see if you have kind of an
0:20:41adulterer on the nineteen nineties you
0:20:42probably had it but this one
0:20:44no you need somebody who's kind of icy
0:20:47and yet I want unexpected streak of of
0:20:49principle and i think i've been seeing
0:20:51how much money starts pepper potts now
0:20:53that's the thing yeah I think I hire a
0:20:55model like an English is there any if
0:20:58there's like an English supermodel or
0:20:59European supermodel who learned English
0:21:01in England has an English accent yeah
0:21:03that's what I want doesn't matter all
0:21:04right so he's different
0:21:05normal yeah yes and and she wouldn't act
0:21:09really any worse than changing her Jones
0:21:10could sorry
0:21:11even if she's completed a Rhodes little
0:21:13too soft oh we've got a good in the
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0:21:20six from battlestar galactica con but
0:21:22yeah but that's that's that's more in
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0:24:35the daddy top 10 top 10 by Alan Moore
0:24:39engine huh
0:24:40and-and-and candor and this letter my
0:24:43Tatiana and dander cannon sorry let us
0:24:46not let's top clients of lettering and
0:24:48he does a really good job
0:24:49alright and I mention that because he's
0:24:50doing lettering for fables now too and
0:24:52that's another one that requires a lot
0:24:53of different stuff so top-10 started
0:24:551999 and as part of America's best
0:24:58combinations best comics written and can
0:25:00owned by an englishman english man which
0:25:03was hysterical
0:25:04sure well and for those I so so where to
0:25:10begin with this thing this thing is so
0:25:12big and overflowing with ideas and
0:25:16images that it it kind of takes I mean
0:25:19this is not something this is not
0:25:21economic you can blow through right it's
0:25:22not like it was so dense but but i will
0:25:25say before we get into what i wanted to
0:25:26just say for people who think watch men
0:25:29is Alan Moore's definitive take on
0:25:31superheroes and then he went on to do
0:25:33lots of other things he went back to
0:25:36superheroes in 1999 and get them really
0:25:39and it's amazing it may not be you know
0:25:42it's not a watchman is shaped very
0:25:45differently than something like top 10
0:25:46which is health street blues with
0:25:48superhero cops but it is it is so much
0:25:53more if you like to Eleanor's kind of
0:25:54commentary on a tease comics in watch
0:25:57men his commentary on superheroes in
0:26:00late nineties early two thousands in top
0:26:0210 is something you better not miss
0:26:04because it's it's fantastic and dense
0:26:07and just heal area is it is so so fun if
0:26:10he emptied his bucket of ideas about
0:26:12superheroes and watch men it refilled
0:26:14because this and then he got another
0:26:16bucket it's just amazing so I what he
0:26:19was trying to accomplish with this from
0:26:21reading interviews with him at the time
0:26:23a he didn't in his reading comics never
0:26:27thought team books worked and didn't
0:26:30think the interplay between the
0:26:31characters in the way the stories flowed
0:26:32worked and he wondered why a comic-book
0:26:36couldn't read like a cop show or a
0:26:39lawyer show on television essentially in
0:26:41tom
0:26:41why our team books example can stumble
0:26:43you know and so he went out to he
0:26:46literally created a cop comic book and
0:26:49the cop comic book just happens to be in
0:26:51a a world where everybody has super
0:26:53powers right cops the people the animals
0:26:56and it's part of an acknowledged
0:26:58multiverse
0:26:59so the rise guys are also aware that
0:27:00there are other universes where dip
0:27:02other other parallel Earth's where
0:27:03outcomes have been different and they
0:27:05can travel back and forth between and in
0:27:07fact their management hierarchy goes up
0:27:10into the multiverse so that the
0:27:12Commissioner is from you know universe
0:27:14one and is it is supervising them and
0:27:18they're in universe 10 which is why it's
0:27:19called top 10
0:27:21yep so I think for what he was trying to
0:27:24accomplish with that ensemble cast and
0:27:26like make it feel just like a police
0:27:28kind of television drama i would say he
0:27:31more than accomplished he starts off the
0:27:34book with the time-honored cop show
0:27:35convention usually new cop new
0:27:37characters out rookie cop first then
0:27:39jabba comes in and you think about how
0:27:40many how many cop shows start with that
0:27:42premise where there's a new crop it gets
0:27:43transferred to the division and they're
0:27:46forced to figure out everything in a
0:27:47hurry and overseeing the chauffeur and
0:27:50it's overwhelming
0:27:51yeah because this book is so dense and
0:27:53it's overwhelming for her too
0:27:54yeah and as opposed to base so you don't
0:27:56feel you don't feel like I'm missing
0:27:58something no no you're not
0:28:00or yes you're missing everything because
0:28:01it's home it's so dense ya know what day
0:28:04it feels very much like a TV show in
0:28:06that the individual issues tend to have
0:28:11some self contained plots or at least
0:28:13some short plots I i kept thinking of
0:28:14homicide
0:28:15yes yes the great Jerry showing promise
0:28:17for the wire but very much like homicide
0:28:19where was where was a little more
0:28:20episodic because the network and you
0:28:23would have episodes where you know that
0:28:25short-term plots would happen over one
0:28:27or two episodes and then they would be
0:28:29some longer-term arcs and top 10 is like
0:28:31that there are crimes that that are are
0:28:34committed and resolved in one issue or
0:28:35one or two issues and summer Messier and
0:28:38they go over three four five six issues
0:28:40with a little arching planned others
0:28:43overall like the season long story arc
0:28:45and and he and it's masterful smart
0:28:48plotting oh my gosh it's just really
0:28:50smart plotting when because you go back
0:28:52and you look at the structure of the
0:28:53story and all of the little called
0:28:55next they do back-and-forth I did not
0:28:58like along those lines how the various
0:29:00plots kind of flowed in and out team and
0:29:03the characters floated and out so one
0:29:05character who is super important in one
0:29:07issue you don't see them or the plot for
0:29:09a couple issues other things come up
0:29:11even though you might hear a little bit
0:29:12about it and that you get to like see
0:29:14slices of all the characters lives you
0:29:16meet some of their families go to some
0:29:17of their homes and see them outside of
0:29:20their work environment and the the fact
0:29:24that one character wasn't a highlighted
0:29:27any more than any other character
0:29:29well I like the character progression to
0:29:31do with snacks over the course the
0:29:32series where my first one he's just this
0:29:35really closed off jerk and by like this
0:29:37is the new cops partner yeah Mac and you
0:29:39just tall blue my honorable invulnerable
0:29:42and in the first issue that kind of a
0:29:44jerk he's in the first she's a total box
0:29:46yeah not be confused by box and then you
0:29:49see I thinking like issue 10 the very
0:29:51end or issue 11 after she's been
0:29:53incapacitated and can't take care of her
0:29:55Alzheimer's written father you see him
0:29:57bathing her father for her and taking
0:29:59care and you realize just kind of how
0:30:01their relationship has developed and how
0:30:03he's actually developed a little bit as
0:30:05a character over the corporations and
0:30:06they don't beat you over the head with
0:30:07it right before that happened
0:30:09his uncle who raised him died yeah he
0:30:12found out died even though you kind of
0:30:13saw a glimpse of that like several
0:30:15issues earlier it was it sits so let's
0:30:18imagine masterful like you said kind of
0:30:21weaving of the plot
0:30:22I'll plus the extermination plot let the
0:30:24cats and mice yeah yeah so we'll get you
0:30:27he was whose whose aunt's house or moms
0:30:29house is a the dust rider just know the
0:30:33guy with the guy with the cowboy hey i
0:30:34just have all hands away in his name
0:30:36hasn't does dust devil he has an
0:30:38infestation her in his mom's house of
0:30:40mice center power and it turns out their
0:30:42super-powered mice for up from various
0:30:45realities and they're also prepared cats
0:30:46and they begin to reenact like there's a
0:30:48look at the supercollider and I don't
0:30:50think they're a guy dressed like the
0:30:51Justice League
0:30:52well some of them are some of them are
0:30:53just like the fantastic four others
0:30:55because Galactus nothing like this cat
0:30:57comments i was going to die so let's see
0:31:00what happens
0:31:01and perhaps this is a spoiler but not
0:31:03really as the comic is like thirty
0:31:05dollars out
0:31:06right so it's not so there was there's
0:31:08the superpower my so of course you call
0:31:10an exterminator who brings superpower
0:31:12cat of course and so then then several
0:31:16issues later and cloud it's like days of
0:31:19writers past yeah so the cats on the Mac
0:31:22Meister now waging these wars and
0:31:24there's a moment where the guy says it's
0:31:26because i actually have it here i got a
0:31:28dog the right thing and he's like no
0:31:31dogs no what no what I said went to a
0:31:34constant was like well you know they're
0:31:36going to get to alternate universes at
0:31:37this point they're the continuities
0:31:38gonna get ya doing
0:31:40Dwayne comes back to check on it and the
0:31:42exterminator tells him it's not not
0:31:44going well and actually says you see you
0:31:46get enough science animals together it's
0:31:48a big event next thing it escalates and
0:31:50you get a whole secret crisis more
0:31:52crossover thing going on
0:31:54inevitably cosmic powers get involved
0:31:57you know how it is when you turn the
0:31:59page and you see the Galactic Eliza cat
0:32:02and the mr. the what's the Eternity
0:32:04mouse
0:32:05yeah but as long as many other mice and
0:32:08cat characters fighting it out in his
0:32:10mother's apartment of course the whole
0:32:12thing about this is now his mother is
0:32:13living with him
0:32:14mhm which is why the house is infected
0:32:17which is really affecting his sex life
0:32:19yeah he's gotta clean up his act and
0:32:22he's not liking that what i really enjoy
0:32:24is how his mother back in the sixties as
0:32:26an interrogator known as truth or dare
0:32:28right it's just we took the whole truth
0:32:29thing to a whole new level yeah yeah
0:32:31it's like almost like this and not this
0:32:33one
0:32:33so so let's see what other I mean they
0:32:36did some fascinating characters but they
0:32:38got the there's the the woman who is
0:32:42she's actually naked all the time your
0:32:44skin makes artificial clothing girl on
0:32:47but different she's from a different
0:32:48earth but Caesar the sergeant who is a
0:32:51dog
0:32:52yes with a cybernetic human skeleton
0:32:54that he wears kmc doesn't see color
0:32:57yeah and so he knows that she's naked
0:32:59all along and she's very upset and
0:33:00there's this fascinating scene where he
0:33:02says look don't worry about it i'm not
0:33:03attracted to you I'm a dog I like dogs
0:33:07not people and additional twist
0:33:09yeah in that because it turns out maybe
0:33:11does like people but I maybe just like
0:33:13that specific person and there's a woman
0:33:14never share
0:33:15there's a woman who can can walk through
0:33:17walls
0:33:18there's the woman who
0:33:19the receptionist the tacky at the police
0:33:21forces Janice and she's two-faced janus
0:33:23was just such a beautiful plan on
0:33:26because all police dispatchers are
0:33:28always named janice rd anise and then
0:33:31you have somebody who's actually the
0:33:33two-headed god yeah basically and she
0:33:35hadn't I don't like tired from that
0:33:37other precinct yes him in the other hand
0:33:39on the other earth in the Grand Central
0:33:41Precinct set cruisers it's crazy there
0:33:45so clearly we all you know it's funny
0:33:46that you mentioned the homicide life on
0:33:48the street parallel because there's an
0:33:51issue i'm trying to find it while you're
0:33:53doing that the just for the audience
0:33:55listening at home often when we're
0:33:57sitting here we have the comics on our
0:33:59iPad so we've already digitally for some
0:34:01this is the first time I think we've
0:34:02come in all of us have a hard copy of
0:34:05the book in front of us and are like
0:34:06yeah coming through and yeah for this
0:34:09started we're pointing out stuff that's
0:34:10it's pretty nice to not it's not
0:34:13available digitally as far as i can tell
0:34:15i did search on comixology last night
0:34:16but I have that but at the trade that i
0:34:18got from amazon so there are a billion
0:34:19of the paper collections are out there
0:34:22it's unfortunate that the episode with
0:34:24the teleporter accident is almost a
0:34:26frame for frame remake of a homicide on
0:34:28the street weapons that were interested
0:34:29to know for you have switched off the
0:34:31platform onto any good for contract
0:34:33between each platform and a subway car
0:34:34and he's cut in half and he they know
0:34:36he's gonna die then we can move the car
0:34:38that it's gonna kill its gonna bring
0:34:40those eventually and and basically the
0:34:41entire episode is a bottle episode
0:34:43between him and Andre Braugher where
0:34:44they talk and it was a really touching
0:34:46scene Lord do even better yeah it's
0:34:49basically the same thing where that
0:34:50where the giant rock is is issuing these
0:34:53philosophical profundities while the
0:34:55born-again Christian is talking to the
0:34:56guy who stuck inside the giant rook and
0:34:58it was yes because they are these giant
0:35:00eggs alien animal guys who are playing
0:35:02the great game and you think that
0:35:04they're like think they're the the huge
0:35:06gamers or whatever they are giant gamers
0:35:08and and there's a teleporter accident
0:35:11and they're they're kind of intertwined
0:35:12and his the guy's wife is dead on
0:35:13arrival and this guy's gonna die and
0:35:15then they're really mad at this other
0:35:17guy even the gamer even though he didn't
0:35:19most involved like this is a game and by
0:35:21the end the real angeleyes its chest
0:35:23they are they are uh it's full it's
0:35:26essentially philosopher religion and the
0:35:28game is life and the black pieces are
0:35:31chaos
0:35:32and the white pieces are ordered amid
0:35:33the chaos and their Creed is that every
0:35:35time you see a star it's proof that
0:35:37order and higher values have triumphed
0:35:40over cast entropy because i did one of
0:35:42the last things that the guy dying guy
0:35:43says is well gee if you look up there's
0:35:46way more black and white so so is black
0:35:48winning and and the the dying creature
0:35:50says no no
0:35:51look at all that white it started out
0:35:53all black yeah it's just beautiful and
0:35:55we can go and so weird and yet so
0:35:57beautiful and that's in one issue that
0:36:00starts with one of the case the whole
0:36:01with Tara green waking up and next to
0:36:04her husband and take a shower and
0:36:05putting on a costume and hearing on the
0:36:07radio that there's been this accident
0:36:09and going there and and then by the end
0:36:11we've had this whole kind of story
0:36:13happen in a single issue which is also
0:36:15pretty cool and then on top because we
0:36:17can talk about how dense this book is
0:36:19yeah and it actually was a long time to
0:36:21read an issue which hasn't happened for
0:36:23me reading African a long time no most
0:36:25modern comics you can just blow through
0:36:27them right the backgrounds aren't that
0:36:28compelling and yet i found myself
0:36:29writing every single billboard on the
0:36:31street because they've got ya
0:36:32they've got they've got a billboard for
0:36:33hair gel that turns your Wolverine like
0:36:35here to actual human hair which i
0:36:37thought was a wonderful throw a joke
0:36:39there's a guy when he hallucinates he
0:36:41hallucinates some all of the characters
0:36:43from The Sandman and you see them
0:36:45popping around and should the character
0:36:47the the main guy who you're talking to
0:36:49the whole time who stuck in the giant
0:36:51rook and his wife who's already dead
0:36:53they're based on a pc guy with the
0:36:57rocket he goes to the other world and it
0:36:59Adam Strange who himself is based on
0:37:02just was that disney movie that failed
0:37:04the john carter and essentially he talks
0:37:08about how he and his wife go to that
0:37:10other planet and do these adventures and
0:37:12she's from their planet and if you look
0:37:14at their costumes it's very similar and
0:37:16so like there's just so much density and
0:37:19it's not it's referential to not just
0:37:22comics but you literature like a lot
0:37:26more likes to do but then you also have
0:37:28all the hanna-barbera characters are in
0:37:30there and he has clients it's really
0:37:32this incredible rich reading experience
0:37:35that I can't believe they never made an
0:37:36absolute collection because i would love
0:37:39to be able to see these panels bigger
0:37:40and really dig into the I want to help
0:37:42it like the tailor's with the no digital
0:37:45ability and the and and the lack of a
0:37:47kind of a large-sized collection for
0:37:49these because this is this is on you
0:37:52know I ir heard about this I think maybe
0:37:54even from you and I'm amazed that more
0:37:59people i meet some people seem to know
0:38:00about it yeah it's really kind of
0:38:03amazing stuff and even among Alan
0:38:05Moore's work it seems to be kind of not
0:38:07even noticed more people are more likely
0:38:09to talk about promethea I think than
0:38:10this and Prometheus another one that you
0:38:12have to read very slowly as the
0:38:13background just people they're really
0:38:15more likely to talk about watch man for
0:38:17me i'll be for Vendetta is a tease work
0:38:19last night
0:38:20swapping yeah I can never say something
0:38:22without hearing wild thing in my head in
0:38:24the background snob thing the pic but
0:38:27know what I wanted this the things and
0:38:30this is not really spoiling the series i
0:38:33really enjoy the critical eye he casts
0:38:37on comic book culture as a whole
0:38:39both and and that we see the light
0:38:41hearted part of that with the
0:38:42extermination plotline where it's cats
0:38:45and mice reenacting some of the greatest
0:38:48crossover events from DC and Marvel and
0:38:50then you get the really dark stab you in
0:38:53the gut twist when you find out what the
0:38:55seven sentinels have been up to and
0:38:58Kevin Smith that kind of approach the
0:39:01same subject when he rebooted green
0:39:03lantern and one of the lines that's a
0:39:05throw line is when the revived Oliver
0:39:07Queen is like what were we thinking
0:39:08running around with all of these
0:39:09sidekicks but this just takes it a whole
0:39:13new and dark direction one that's
0:39:15completely plausible within the universe
0:39:17and for a police precinct and you you
0:39:19look at you like oh wow thats thats dark
0:39:22certainly becomes an episode of that
0:39:25special victims unit
0:39:26yeah but you know it's it's it's just
0:39:28another really really trenchant
0:39:31criticism of the kind of things that
0:39:33mainstream comic readers will just 20 of
0:39:35course so-and-so has a stable of
0:39:37teenagers living in their house why
0:39:38wouldn't care about going to take it
0:39:39back by the way I I i searched last
0:39:41night for top 10 and didn't find it on
0:39:43comixology because i put a space between
0:39:45top and 10 but if you search for top-10
0:39:48top-10 no spaces it is those 12 issues
0:39:52of of the original top-10 are available
0:39:54digitally you can go out and get them
0:39:56John get the one by one but like this
0:39:59one is you really make money but I get
0:40:02Amazon's got the trade papers you want
0:40:04the tactile experience because I i read
0:40:06them both this way and by blowing them
0:40:07up on my huge monitor and i have to tell
0:40:10you I still was able to pick up a whole
0:40:11lot more in terms of expressions and art
0:40:12with the paper copy
0:40:14yeah it is the detail is is I mean my
0:40:18first introduction into that level of
0:40:19detail was watchman and thinking oh my
0:40:21god i can read this multiple times and
0:40:23get something new out of it by slowing
0:40:25down knowing that i already know the
0:40:27plot and just going back and looking at
0:40:29the corners
0:40:30the funny thing is this book is so dense
0:40:31that I you almost can't you can't do the
0:40:34old i'm going to do a pass and then come
0:40:36back you just can't its there's too much
0:40:38and I can understand how that means that
0:40:40this is probably not the most accessible
0:40:41book out there it is super dense but
0:40:45it's definitely good and its a good yeah
0:40:48but actually I wonder would it be
0:40:50possible to ignore all those references
0:40:53in all of that density and just read it
0:40:56as a cop murder ya done it kind of thing
0:40:59I should have you with allies like my
0:41:01litmus test
0:41:02no I'm not kidding he's like my life
0:41:03feeling that you've gotta be you gotta
0:41:05be comic literate in the sense of being
0:41:07able to read the forum because it is so
0:41:09dense
0:41:09yeah um it's not it's not an easy read
0:41:12that way but it's a I think it works i
0:41:16mean some of the references are I
0:41:17assumed I was missing lots of references
0:41:19and there is the overarching story I
0:41:21don't require the references
0:41:23I don't know really no I tations online
0:41:25yeah is that keep that's it's been a
0:41:27long time since i searched the last time
0:41:29i did there wasn't anyone that could
0:41:31have been a decade ago
0:41:32yeah so there might be today but what we
0:41:35need is for like a group of teenage
0:41:36girls to embrace this is their fandom
0:41:38because they would pull it together
0:41:40there is nothing like a bunch of of
0:41:41college girls on tumblr to take
0:41:43something and effective panel by panel
0:41:45yeah so when I say everything goes well
0:41:48how do she's one of my favorite scenes
0:41:49is when they're when smacks visits his
0:41:52partner toy box in the hospital yeah
0:41:54after that the big battle at the
0:41:56precinct has happened and as their he's
0:41:58walking through the hallways in the
0:41:59hospital you see every doctor character
0:42:01ever so like doctor who is there dr.
0:42:04strange dr. doom
0:42:06dr. fate basically any doctor characters
0:42:08you can kind of glimpse wandering the
0:42:10halls of this hospital which is mostly
0:42:13wondering what kind of doctor doctor
0:42:15doctor do what actually practice
0:42:17he's a very bad doctor OBGYNs internal
0:42:20internal valley pediatrics is internal
0:42:23medicine he specializes in taking your
0:42:24internal things and moving them to the
0:42:26external by a blast i have to look at
0:42:28the guy i found a site that has that
0:42:31claims to have annotations of top 10
0:42:33from from Tamilnadu looks like because
0:42:38if you ever read The Watchmen that the
0:42:40watch annotations watchman is amazing
0:42:41the annotated I'm kingdom com is is
0:42:44insane
0:42:45if you find those animations that that
0:42:48is that is just that's another book to
0:42:49modeling yeah these detail ones where
0:42:52you really could just study it carefully
0:42:54it is amazing that Alex Ross could do
0:42:56work after that book like and it's not
0:42:58just in a room somewhere
0:42:59mumbling about DC continuity well that's
0:43:03hot that's how i feel about top 10 is
0:43:04like this this this is the feeling of it
0:43:06of a work that drove its creators mad
0:43:08because it's that level of like effort
0:43:11that must have been poured into it
0:43:12yeah I don't think the three of them
0:43:13have worked together again I don't know
0:43:15what that means but so let's talk about
0:43:17it as a as a cop story that how does it
0:43:20compare to other cop stories like I
0:43:22don't know if you read powers I haven't
0:43:24either been descamps yeah i read it
0:43:26cop kind of story and they're actually
0:43:27normal cops in a superhero work with
0:43:30these are super hero cops and superhero
0:43:31world and criminal against by Brubaker
0:43:36make the same thing I haven't that with
0:43:37it are just looking at it then just as a
0:43:39whodunit cop murder mysteries
0:43:43how does it stand up in a classic kind
0:43:45of things i always thought the Bendis
0:43:46books really fell down where it was sort
0:43:48of like you go through six issues of a
0:43:49murder story and then suddenly the peak
0:43:51they find out who did it and it was like
0:43:52a character they just introduced three
0:43:54minutes before you found out they did it
0:43:55you're like what know what is this i get
0:43:57the Christie right and something that
0:43:59John works so how did this holdup bear
0:44:01in mind i'm going to compare this to a
0:44:03TV show just because I think that both
0:44:05this series and TV shows tend to benefit
0:44:08from the episodic nature of the
0:44:09storytelling because you can loop in
0:44:10different stories of different duration
0:44:12and while we started with the hill
0:44:15street blues thing this is almost like a
0:44:18Southland
0:44:20or well i would say it's almost like
0:44:23Southland which is currently on TNT and
0:44:25is a very good cop show and i would say
0:44:28the case is held up because you had your
0:44:29really obvious ones which were you know
0:44:30I roll and solve like the murder of all
0:44:33door and then ice
0:44:35I i I'd like to twist i did not see
0:44:38coming and maybe it's because I didn't
0:44:39read closely enough but when you have
0:44:40the sin that the synesthesia detective
0:44:43who throughout the entire book is is
0:44:46she's like well your classical music
0:44:48here Beethoven the graduation narrows it
0:44:50down to ode to joy right and then that
0:44:52turns out to be what unlocks like two
0:44:54separate cases at once i was all wow
0:44:56yeah wow I'm because i'm sure all the
0:44:59pieces were there and if i go back and
0:45:00reread again I'll be able to see that
0:45:03they're all there but on the first that
0:45:05shock of the fresh where we're all of a
0:45:07sudden all the pieces come together and
0:45:08it's that it was just talking to kaiser
0:45:10soze moment like that because it was
0:45:13because you're like oh my gosh
0:45:14all the pieces are in front of him and
0:45:16and now and now it's a glorious whole um
0:45:19yeah I i was really satisfied as a
0:45:22reader like on it and not just know this
0:45:24is pretty and it's so detailed and it
0:45:25rewards a comic book reader i was really
0:45:27satisfied as that it has kept his is
0:45:30rewarded me for paying attention and his
0:45:32still managed to surprise me
0:45:33yeah it'sit's you want a combination of
0:45:35characters and story so if it's just the
0:45:37mystery i think it's less interesting
0:45:39and if it's just the characters it's
0:45:40lesson
0:45:41yeah but you do enjoy the you know the
0:45:44eye-rolling cases that are not that
0:45:46interesting are funny from a character
0:45:49respective like yet we gotta do our job
0:45:50and then there are these more the long
0:45:52games that get played
0:45:54you know I really enjoyed the the
0:45:55creature the alien creature that was
0:45:57down in the sewers storyline where its
0:46:00menacing for a long time and you're like
0:46:03what is it and what is happening and
0:46:05then the explanation is is fairly simple
0:46:07yeah is there's this alien creature
0:46:09that's eating people that are the sewers
0:46:11that that's what she does when she's not
0:46:13being a porn star
0:46:14yeah that was that was my favorite part
0:46:15you know what she was a big fifties
0:46:17superhero
0:46:18yeah it was super hero in the seventies
0:46:20style porn star and now she eats people
0:46:22sheets people you have that was growing
0:46:23sense that telepathic projections which
0:46:26yeah and the really mr. pete yeah yeah
0:46:29so I thought it worked on both levels
0:46:30yeah yeah I
0:46:33more cop shows were actually like this
0:46:34to be to be frank with superpowers
0:46:37no no to where where where there was a
0:46:39healthy element of loopiness because one
0:46:41of the problems with cop shows on TV i
0:46:43think is a lot of them are just way too
0:46:44freaking serious there's a series i was
0:46:47watching on hulu the summer called the
0:46:48unusual which was a failed ABC series
0:46:50that actually manage this balance of
0:46:51some of levity in gravity and so
0:46:55naturally it failed but this reminds me
0:46:58of that in a way where you have these
0:46:59characters who all have who will bring
0:47:01their own baggage to work and and still
0:47:04managed to get the job done and so it's
0:47:05very funny and something is not
0:47:07yeah well i think the the the 1i found
0:47:09that she was I found a really funny
0:47:11where the that Godzilla oh my character
0:47:15is especially his dad comes to bail them
0:47:17out with yeah yeah I don't destroy you
0:47:19all the shrink him down
0:47:21yeah pick them up in their hands I'm not
0:47:22gonna be big like Google Gojira sure
0:47:27that most of his menacing of the city
0:47:28was just because he was drunk and fell
0:47:29down on it yeah and he happened to be a
0:47:31very dangerous when your large like no
0:47:33yes and then the God bar owners just
0:47:36great
0:47:37where there is a bar where all of the
0:47:39Gods hangout and the police are called
0:47:41because it's when they interviews and
0:47:43he's like this used to be the kind of
0:47:44place you could take your whole pantheon
0:47:46we should say that there's a lot of
0:47:50funny stuff in here and it is it is
0:47:51funny and horrifying and kind of all at
0:47:55the same time and yeah it's it's amazing
0:47:59that this is essentially i always say
0:48:01this when I tell people about it and
0:48:03he'll know you have to pick up top 10 it
0:48:04is one of the three books i would bring
0:48:06to a desert island if I had to spend the
0:48:08rest of my life with only three books
0:48:10wow what are the other two The Sandman
0:48:12and i'm leaving the third one still open
0:48:15okay yeah you got a slot open in case
0:48:16something falls my rewrites and man like
0:48:19within the last six min this is the
0:48:20hazard of packing my comics we're moving
0:48:22into breeding a lot of them and that's
0:48:24why I took like three days to pack them
0:48:25and I was actually shocked at how
0:48:27weirdly the Earth's it's on my eyes now
0:48:30because you know yeah
0:48:31at the time it was very edgy edgy
0:48:34experimental and now you're like oh
0:48:37that's cute or blue that that didn't
0:48:39work out you know it's interesting to
0:48:41see what what has withstood the test of
0:48:44time or what actually like inspired
0:48:46artists as his comics kept moving
0:48:48through the nineties and into the
0:48:50audience and and what was just kind of a
0:48:52non-starter
0:48:53and so instead of art you had mentioned
0:48:54something about the art of top 10 before
0:48:55we started this race I really miss
0:48:57nineteen nineties comment cards not not
0:48:59like the stuff with pouches and no feet
0:49:01but like this isn't very image like
0:49:03that's why I didn't know you had
0:49:04nineteen nineties i didn't ya
0:49:05to me this didn't feel nineties no it's
0:49:07okay i guess some more accurate things I
0:49:08miss this kind of art between this and
0:49:11say promethea which is also similarly
0:49:13full-bodied and very colorful and very
0:49:15detailed and it seemed kind of very
0:49:18eighties in a sense of like your mic sex
0:49:21secret wars or your john byrne fantastic
0:49:25for ya where it's good storytelling good
0:49:27background is good just solid classic
0:49:31comics i remember the time somebody said
0:49:33that that it was Alan Moore trying and
0:49:35this is America's best comics name was a
0:49:38part of this too it's like alan moore
0:49:40was trying to make superheroes and he
0:49:43made superheroes not fun now he's going
0:49:46to make them fun again and it in a way
0:49:48that it's going to be bright and he's
0:49:49going to sort of take it was it was
0:49:51meant i remember somebody saying I think
0:49:53maybe even the marketing at the time was
0:49:55that this was alan moore kind of trying
0:49:59to undoing the damage into the
0:50:00attachment
0:50:01yeah kinda San wait a second you
0:50:03misunderstood i do like the bright
0:50:06colors and the people in the funny
0:50:07costumes and there there's more to tell
0:50:09their and or maybe was a lot more sane
0:50:10or something very beautiful about
0:50:12quoting daily life for people get up and
0:50:14have their third families and they do
0:50:16their jobs and they deal with the
0:50:17circumstances that live around them so
0:50:19and that's in there something noble and
0:50:21beautiful and pretty about that it
0:50:22doesn't have to merely oh look they're
0:50:24special flying people go into the air
0:50:25let us all bow down as if before God but
0:50:27rather a look this is my life isn't it
0:50:29gorgeous the way it is so let's talk
0:50:31about that for a minute because i think
0:50:32it was it was sort of interesting that
0:50:34the characters when they went home and
0:50:36took off their costumes sometimes it was
0:50:38very surprising
0:50:39yeah like the wolf spider
0:50:43mhm who is this giant kind of mechanoid
0:50:46japanese animation looking character
0:50:48that turns out is like a really old dude
0:50:51who has no legs
0:50:52yeah when he took off the costume or the
0:50:55birdwoman what was her name
0:50:57paragraph Peregrine
0:50:58who looks like Susan powder when she
0:51:00takes right and then and then you you
0:51:02make assumptions about that because she
0:51:04looks that way and her you you already
0:51:06know her partner is gay
0:51:08yeah and then like another issue of for
0:51:09later it turns out well no she's
0:51:11actually added a Christian conservative
0:51:13yeah that's right Bob and so he does a
0:51:16lot of this kind of like literally and
0:51:18metaphorically taking off for the layers
0:51:22of the characters and having his little
0:51:23surprises with each one
0:51:25I think it's time to try box is the only
0:51:26one who who stays remarkably consistent
0:51:28in terms of her look um but she's not
0:51:31she's our viewpoint in a way she's our
0:51:33entry points to conjugate not a real
0:51:35character that said she's also the one
0:51:37who again she looks the most nineties
0:51:38because she's got the clunky boots and
0:51:40that the miniskirt and they're exposed
0:51:41midriff and that was that was kind of a
0:51:42thing in the late 90s early audience
0:51:44like rising stars is going around at the
0:51:46same time to ya
0:51:47oh there's lots of out there was lots of
0:51:50that and it was kind of is it was kind
0:51:51of aesthetic i'm not even in the
0:51:53mainstream ones where you see them alone
0:51:54or you can see if I 1000 superhero
0:51:56sitting down to have dinner in the
0:51:57woman's ring crop tops you know
0:51:59well there's a team book that is doing
0:52:02ok if it is some stars same destructive
0:52:05it kind of plot line w a week you know
0:52:07if we have had a rising stars podcast I
0:52:10I think everything don't you ring and
0:52:12sweet
0:52:13it's really it's really good and manage
0:52:15all the last two issues and then just
0:52:16cracks over the previous 2200 going to
0:52:19be so mad I never read it
0:52:21well be I would be glad actually because
0:52:23then you just I don't know there's some
0:52:26good stuff in there but the first issues
0:52:27are fantastic the second issues are like
0:52:29okay we've upped the stakes through
0:52:31their great and then and this is closet
0:52:34I'm sorry this is classic J michael
0:52:37Straczynski where he built this great
0:52:38world and he identifies these great
0:52:39steaks and there's all these conflicts
0:52:41and then at the very end it's all me
0:52:43so he's not he's not a closer no
0:52:45absolutely not they should bring in a
0:52:47closing pitcher for him like a closing
0:52:48writer perhaps no but they did that with
0:52:51the one more day and that was really bad
0:52:53see I've read that oh yeah yeah women
0:52:56isn't one more day the name of the plot
0:52:58line where where where spider-man cells
0:53:00cells soul to the devil in order to save
0:53:03and making ourselves marriage to the
0:53:05devil to save and may and he had no
0:53:08there is like maybe they would like to
0:53:09be reunited with Uncle Ben in the
0:53:10afterlife
0:53:11I mean I would rather keep her life is a
0:53:13grieving widow that's that Texas yeah
0:53:16another thing that we talked about the
0:53:18beginning of top 10
0:53:19it starts with the that the new cop that
0:53:22is your your your entry into this world
0:53:25and the finalists in so then the second
0:53:27to the final issue they introduce
0:53:29another new cop because they had they
0:53:31had a lot of their plot lines kind of
0:53:33come together in the 10th issue and
0:53:35massive structure and stuff in the one
0:53:37of the cops dies not a spoiler not a
0:53:41spoiler since we have to do so in number
0:53:4311 then they introduce another new cop
0:53:46but interestingly he's very foreign in
0:53:49the compared to the first new comp
0:53:52injuries right who is literally a human
0:53:54character in one of us and now this guy
0:53:55is a 1970s shogun warrior looking
0:53:59character and has been throughout the
0:54:01entire thing there's been a couple of
0:54:02prejudice they've talked about yeah the
0:54:04sexuality has been there the different
0:54:06species different species and robots and
0:54:09this guy happens to be a robot
0:54:12yeah and I thought it was interesting
0:54:13that he Eleanor's essentially doing
0:54:15almost the first story again but am i
0:54:17different point of view but now that
0:54:19you're used to the precinct and all the
0:54:22rules and regulations now it's time to
0:54:23up the weird factor whereas if you had
0:54:25started the first episode with meet your
0:54:27entrée into this world it's a samurai
0:54:29robot that would have been a little
0:54:31inaccessible whereas now he's he's kind
0:54:33of giving the reader more credit for
0:54:34understanding the the internal workings
0:54:36of the universe and then pointing out
0:54:38that this is actually the universe works
0:54:40and it may be a cliche but at the end of
0:54:42that 11 issue with this row body
0:54:45character who is very foreign he had to
0:54:47be one of the most relatable interesting
0:54:50characters in the whole series
0:54:53were there any characters that any of us
0:54:54had trouble relating to through the
0:54:56series or were they all equally like
0:54:58interests are so many different
0:54:59character yeah I just if there's
0:55:01somebody that I had a problem relating
0:55:03to I would just wait a couple panels and
0:55:05we'd be on to the next one
0:55:06just wait visually I really like shocked
0:55:09head
0:55:10Peter who is this kind of geeky looking
0:55:13guy with us go on a shirt but when he
0:55:15does his electric powers its you see his
0:55:18skull kind of glowing idea visually
0:55:20that's a real
0:55:20the interesting thing but for hit into a
0:55:23lot of character development with him
0:55:25and he was kind of like the little bit
0:55:26backwards
0:55:27yeah Nick kind of character and he
0:55:29remained that the entire time so it's a
0:55:31little disappointed when to see more of
0:55:33him because visually I liked him so much
0:55:35yeah we're hermod we got to meet her
0:55:40whole family and her husband who's an
0:55:42out-of-work Precog yeah right
0:55:44a kind of place with it because it at
0:55:46one point you're like oh he actually has
0:55:48no powers and is not a Precog because
0:55:50like when but the notes that last panel
0:55:52but then there's the black handle yeah
0:55:53you liked this also no no no no no need
0:55:56to call her right where he has this kind
0:55:58of death vision yeah like we have wait i
0:56:00just you just made me believe he didn't
0:56:02have any chance not a prima donna think
0:56:03people are just kind of patronizing him
0:56:06on so if we have to sum up top ten i
0:56:11think it seems pretty clear that the
0:56:13summation is you should go out and get
0:56:16there i think it's two volumes right
0:56:18volume 1 and 2 which takes you for the
0:56:20first 12 issues
0:56:21yeah what they call season one is called
0:56:2210 right so what happens after that I I
0:56:25somebody in the chat room was saying
0:56:26don't don't read decent also seeing that
0:56:29the right I'm gonna follow there and
0:56:31find says it's like reading the sequel
0:56:33keys into happened years later and was
0:56:35not done by now more and more just call
0:56:39/ there is Alan Moore did do a the
0:56:43smacks he was involved in smacks which
0:56:47was then that one main character you
0:56:49mean the first issue you go on to see
0:56:51his family in a story just about him and
0:56:53then he did the 49ers which was a
0:56:56prequel to top 10 and takes people like
0:56:59the the captain of the precinct is named
0:57:01jett lad he back when he was a kid and
0:57:06how he started out and you get to meet
0:57:08some of these characters that they
0:57:09touched on in top 10 and it's definitely
0:57:12worth a read and his beautiful artwork
0:57:14just like this is a really pretty
0:57:17incredible
0:57:18so those two are good top 10 season 29
0:57:21so much and not so much
0:57:23alright alright that's good advice
0:57:26yeah but at top 10 if you have a a
0:57:29limited shelf space for comics and and
0:57:31you only want to have like classic
0:57:32library comics top-10 really deserves
0:57:34beyond it alright that's good i'm glad I
0:57:38i have been reading them and I haven't
0:57:40been let down in fact it was great to go
0:57:42back and reread because it's been a
0:57:43little while and and I knew what I was
0:57:45getting into this time and so having
0:57:47this warning of its dense and there's a
0:57:49lot in there and you need to take your
0:57:50time but it's really rewarding it's been
0:57:52so long between comic book clubs and
0:57:54this is why ya took us took us this long
0:57:57to read this book is so cool wait you
0:58:00want to a quick second what people are
0:58:01we and what are you reading you got it
0:58:03you know what you know what's next you
0:58:04know the format so I what I what am I
0:58:09reading I bought i went to a comic store
0:58:12when I was in Massachusetts and went to
0:58:13our limits in waltham massachusetts and
0:58:17I got what I got I'm going to read
0:58:20oh sorry yo Jimbo which I have never
0:58:22read before which is the rabbit samurai
0:58:25my butt vol one of that on the
0:58:28recommendation of a bunch of a bunch of
0:58:30people mouse card I've got that my son
0:58:33read and loved the fall mouse guard the
0:58:36first one looks beautiful i haven't read
0:58:39it yet but that would step that's
0:58:41looking really good i bought
0:58:42lock-and-key vol.1 because i read lock
0:58:46and key vol.4 of course it was nominated
0:58:49for hugo award for the best graphic
0:58:51presentation and so i read that i got
0:58:53that I got that for free before being a
0:58:55bugle voter and I liked it enough to say
0:58:58I should probably read this from the
0:59:00start and that's Joe Hill who stephen
0:59:01king's kid
0:59:02yeah and I thought that it's it's kind
0:59:05of a darkened horrific and and yet I
0:59:07thought I thought vol.4 from what i
0:59:10could understand of it having not read
0:59:11volumes 1-3 was actually pretty good and
0:59:14I also read the latest on collection of
0:59:16the unwritten because that was also Hugo
0:59:20nominee was that what was that number
0:59:23for number five Number Four
0:59:24yeah because i just finished that one
0:59:26and which is also kind of weird and dark
0:59:29and strange and then what was the other
0:59:32thing that i bought I bought another
0:59:33book I bought a book for my kids that
0:59:36was a one of those I'm not DC Super Pets
0:59:39Tiny Titans that the art baltazar which
0:59:43is a really great fun
0:59:45they are fine because they're there it's
0:59:46not just like comics for kids it's like
0:59:49crazy you know turf like Braun and drawn
0:59:53for kids and and really my want of
0:59:55Animaniacs yeah yeah it's that kind of
0:59:57thing it's almost that's like an
0:59:59animated series
0:59:59animated series
1:00:00taken into a book but so that's what I'm
1:00:02that's sort of what i've been looking
1:00:03and then I've been rereading exiles
1:00:04because I got off on that by reading the
1:00:08the X extreme x-men by Greg park which
1:00:11I'm excited about with the it's the
1:00:14alternate it's kid Nightcrawler from
1:00:16Brooklyn New York but it is Kurt Kurt
1:00:18Wagner from Brooklyn New York and he's
1:00:20hit he's 10 years old and he's blue and
1:00:23he can teleport and then it's a it's a
1:00:25James howlett the governor-general
1:00:26Majesty's governor-general of
1:00:28something-or-other but it's all to
1:00:30Wolverine there's an all-time of emmalin
1:00:32frost there's an old Emma Frost there's
1:00:34a floating bubble containing the severed
1:00:37head of Charles Xavier and the dazzler
1:00:40and that's and that's a super team and
1:00:43they go from alternate realities
1:00:44alternate reality and I I think that's
1:00:46gonna be good
1:00:47this see that's what i'm reading Lisa on
1:00:49what are you reading
1:00:51I finally caught up on scalped which i
1:00:54think is a serious that I may be the
1:00:55only one reading right now is anyone the
1:00:57chat room reading scalp than anywhere
1:00:59else talk to speak to how awesome it is
1:01:01or is it just me
1:01:02anyone know i'm looking yeah there's a
1:01:06delay will see what they said you know
1:01:08it's as you know it's the it's the the
1:01:10north at an indian reservation and it's
1:01:12the lead character has been trying to
1:01:15kick his heroin addiction spoiler not
1:01:17going well and he's also trying to
1:01:20figure their murders mom has his now
1:01:22murdered mom was also involved in and I
1:01:25think they're up to the seventh volume
1:01:26and it's it's a fantastic series
1:01:28especially if you do like if you do like
1:01:31detective so I caught up on that
1:01:33like I said I went back and I was
1:01:35rereading Sandman as i was packing it
1:01:37because he attempted to flip through and
1:01:39next thing you know it's it's two hours
1:01:41later you've just read through the
1:01:42entire series
1:01:43so when I went back and revisited that
1:01:45and after I saw the Avengers I went and
1:01:51I reread the first two volumes of the
1:01:54ultimates i did the same thing yet
1:01:56completely avoided volume Ultimates 310
1:02:00no no there's no there's nothing past
1:02:02what you don't exactly yeah so we were
1:02:04the first two and you know there was it
1:02:06and I enjoy the pleasant bit of
1:02:08cognitive dissonance between the
1:02:09characters i had just seen on the screen
1:02:10versus some the way that they were done
1:02:13in the ultimates but at the same time I
1:02:15also enjoyed being able to see what
1:02:17parts the writers had picked and shows
1:02:19as they went through and crafted the
1:02:21movies because it's pretty evident that
1:02:23the Ironmen adding rubber don't you just
1:02:26put a stamp on it but it seems like a
1:02:28lot of the basic parts they put in there
1:02:30were four I think it's safe to say they
1:02:31would not have been in avengers movie
1:02:33you had there not been the ultimate ya
1:02:35series a decade earlier which is funny
1:02:37because i had that same feeling about
1:02:39amazing spider-man that that that was
1:02:41really the ultimate spider-man take on
1:02:44spider-man much more than the club
1:02:46whereas the the toby mcwire movies where
1:02:48the classic kind of steve ditko Stanley
1:02:50I i was feeling very very been to see
1:02:54watching their amazing about ya new 52
1:02:58is are beginning to come out in trade so
1:02:59I'm gonna be stocking up on those soon
1:03:01and I'm stupid excited about the Gail
1:03:03Simone ones which actually because i
1:03:05have a couple of those i thought that i
1:03:07thought the and Batgirl once we're going
1:03:09and because i cannot go podcast that
1:03:10mentioned Elsa known if you do like
1:03:13police procedural comics and superheroes
1:03:16in one tasty package she did write a
1:03:18series for wildstorm call and I think I
1:03:21think it's still ongoing actually called
1:03:22welcome to tranquility where tranquility
1:03:24is a retirement community for
1:03:25superheroes and you of course start with
1:03:28the new worky cop on the job and there
1:03:29are of course murders and there it will
1:03:33never ever be as dense as top 10 but
1:03:35there are a lot of loving limoges to the
1:03:38superhero cultures of the Golden Age the
1:03:41Selfridge so on and so forth and you
1:03:44know when you've got a when you've got a
1:03:45internet villain called emoticon you
1:03:48know it's been dragged home and
1:03:49screaming into the 21st century so
1:03:50that's that's recommendation if you want
1:03:52something that you can read in afternoon
1:03:54and welcome to tranquility if you want
1:03:56something you can be over weekend three
1:03:57top-10 alright Jason what are you
1:03:59reading so talk to him
1:04:01current comics yeah right ruby red top
1:04:04ten last night
1:04:04current comics that i'm reading are the
1:04:06Avengers vs. x-men I'm
1:04:08reading those digitally as well as the
1:04:11new valiance which is kind of a remake
1:04:13of the nineties right I'll which is
1:04:16they're surprisingly good i'm enjoying
1:04:18them and then I've as I sometimes fall
1:04:23into a kind of going on a burn
1:04:25mid-eighties kick and i just reread his
1:04:28alpha flights which I love ya and his
1:04:32she-hulk which i also love and she-hulk
1:04:35I think anyone out there who's
1:04:36interested in a fun comic is she hooks
1:04:39and trade again and basically they broke
1:04:41the fourth wall so she hulk know she's
1:04:43in a comic and talks to john byrne in
1:04:47the comic is often referred to was
1:04:48burned and the other characters know
1:04:50he's in a comic so he he lovingly plays
1:04:53with the comic conceits and she talks to
1:05:00him in the comments hysterical and a lot
1:05:03of fun and its really great burn heart
1:05:07so I've been doing that the one I'm most
1:05:09excited about right now that's coming
1:05:11out against in a few months is that was
1:05:13just announced yesterday was that is the
1:05:14mat fraction and Michael already ffs
1:05:18which is evidently the inn in Marvel now
1:05:22the Fantastic Four are going to go
1:05:23offworld and ffr their replacements that
1:05:25each of them get to choose who's going
1:05:27to replace them to watch the earth while
1:05:29they're gone so the team is she hulk
1:05:31ant-man crafting when she woke my room
1:05:36she-hulk a man somebody and a new
1:05:39character called miss thing is hipster
1:05:43girl in a robotic things suit and
1:05:47because Johnny Storm happened to be
1:05:49making out with her the night before or
1:05:51something that he needed to make his
1:05:52choice Jonny store
1:05:55yeah it and so it kind of looks really
1:05:58sort of hysterical and a lot of fun it's
1:06:00michael do that so I'm hoping hoping it
1:06:02captures a little bit of that extatic
1:06:04feeling that I used to like and x-force
1:06:06feeling because the artwork is there and
1:06:09who doesn't love a character named Miss
1:06:10thing around expected to be a drag queen
1:06:15the eff eff idea i'm kind of fascinated
1:06:18me the you know it's like fantastic for
1:06:20family
1:06:21it's the you know alternate because that
1:06:23they killed Johnny Storm killed and then
1:06:26they did FF for a while and then they
1:06:27brought back fantastic four but the idea
1:06:29of having this kind of like Reed
1:06:31Richards you know group of of hangers-on
1:06:34and you know alternate you know spin-off
1:06:37character secondary characters it's kind
1:06:39of an interesting idea
1:06:40evidently they had four leave for a year
1:06:43of their time but it's only four minutes
1:06:44pass on earth and so the team is sitting
1:06:47around and nothing protecting the earth
1:06:49for those four minutes 4 minutes and
1:06:51nothing happens and then Johnny I a
1:06:53one-eyed one leg bearded johnny storm
1:06:55comes through a door and saying and then
1:06:57close it and says we can never open that
1:06:59door again
1:07:01yeah I'm really have high expectations
1:07:05for this is awesome
1:07:06yeah and now and now I must read it the
1:07:09so this has been great we're gonna have
1:07:12to do this again maybe we can and do it
1:07:14soon and yes and maybe get a even get
1:07:17some other people involved in the in the
1:07:19comic book club by AT&T was added on
1:07:21uncomfortable a little bit and I think
1:07:23he would love he was the one who told me
1:07:25to the Outer Limits and welcomed and
1:07:26Benjamin is very much into it and
1:07:28there's Jim that's the door who has i
1:07:30should say his own comic podcast on
1:07:31five-by-five you can go 25 TV / comic
1:07:35shack and listen to james comic shack if
1:07:38you would like out and do some cross
1:07:39promotion there too so we're always
1:07:41looking for ideas to talk about
1:07:43yeah you can go 25 TV / contact put in
1:07:45the incomparable and tell us what you
1:07:48think we should read and that would be
1:07:50great and you can also tweet it to at
1:07:52the uncomfortable on on the Twitter and
1:07:55we'll look there too so there's lots of
1:07:57ways to reach us if you want to give us
1:07:59some suggestions about what we should
1:08:00read next because that's always a good
1:08:01and we always get feedback on them
1:08:03comfortable yeah absolutely
1:08:05well thanks a lot for being here Lisa
1:08:07thanks for coming down it was great and
1:08:10Jason thanks for coming over and you
1:08:11know it's good to see you don't see you
1:08:13as much as I used to and it's nice
1:08:14in the building like to be here alright
1:08:16thanks to everybody out there for
1:08:17listening to be uncomfortable until next
1:08:19time this is jason's now goodbye
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