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102: Princess Indiana Jones

 

00:00:00   where's the Meryl Streep action movie I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   demand it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1">TS</a>]

00:00:04   the Contras below podcast 102 artists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4">TS</a>]

00:00:10   went where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/10">TS</a>]

00:00:13   welcome back everybody to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/13">TS</a>]

00:00:14   uncomfortable podcast I'm your host [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/14">TS</a>]

00:00:16   Jason snail and on this episode of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/16">TS</a>]

00:00:19   uncomfortable we're going to be talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/19">TS</a>]

00:00:20   about the latest Pixar movie brave which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/20">TS</a>]

00:00:25   came out a few weeks ago maybe more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/25">TS</a>]

00:00:28   a month ago and we're gonna follow that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/28">TS</a>]

00:00:31   path and probably talk about female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/31">TS</a>]

00:00:33   protagonist in other animated movies and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/33">TS</a>]

00:00:35   maybe even beyond joining me to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/35">TS</a>]

00:00:38   about this subject tonight are for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/38">TS</a>]

00:00:41   esteemed panelists first up serenity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/41">TS</a>]

00:00:44   Caldwell hi thanks for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/44">TS</a>]

00:00:46   hello thanks for inviting me Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/46">TS</a>]

00:00:49   yeah I more than happy and also i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/49">TS</a>]

00:00:51   happy that you could provide some female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53   representation on this episode since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/53">TS</a>]

00:00:55   Lisa couldn't make it and all the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/55">TS</a>]

00:00:57   of them are dudes so that yeah yeah so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/57">TS</a>]

00:01:00   here's a guy who I haven't checked with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/60">TS</a>]

00:01:02   the Olympic officials who are in charge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/62">TS</a>]

00:01:03   of gender testing but i'm pretty sure is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05   male and Cal hi welcome alteration we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/65">TS</a>]

00:01:09   haven't discussed it before but we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12   know how to pull out children names of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/72">TS</a>]

00:01:14   these characters last we talked about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/74">TS</a>]

00:01:15   in distraction sir actually least until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/75">TS</a>]

00:01:18   like a tired of it I'm going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/78">TS</a>]

00:01:19   talking electronic collar Atlantis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/79">TS</a>]

00:01:21   entire podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/81">TS</a>]

00:01:22   alright I don't I this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/82">TS</a>]

00:01:26   ok i'm sick of it I'm really sorry David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/86">TS</a>]

00:01:28   Morgan isn't here since he does by far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   the best terrible Sean Connery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   impression that I've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/92">TS</a>]

00:01:34   also joining us today his accent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/94">TS</a>]

00:01:38   indeterminate is Dan Frakes hi Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/98">TS</a>]

00:01:40   hey Jason it's good to have you back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/100">TS</a>]

00:01:42   thank you also a male by the way if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/102">TS</a>]

00:01:45   you're wondering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/105">TS</a>]

00:01:46   otherwise you'd be Danielle will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/106">TS</a>]

00:01:50   different and John siracusa is here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/110">TS</a>]

00:01:52   because this is about pixar and where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/112">TS</a>]

00:01:55   when we cover pixar John siracusa is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   always here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/117">TS</a>]

00:01:58   hi John Jason I come by my accent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/118">TS</a>]

00:02:01   honestly it's it's straight from Long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/121">TS</a>]

00:02:04   Island [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/124">TS</a>]

00:02:05   you got it yeah so we have talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/125">TS</a>]

00:02:08   pixar before i should say that up at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/128">TS</a>]

00:02:09   beginning and if you would like to hear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/129">TS</a>]

00:02:11   us talk about all the many other pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/131">TS</a>]

00:02:15   movies that were made before brave and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/135">TS</a>]

00:02:18   cars to you know I still haven't seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/138">TS</a>]

00:02:20   courage to me neither [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/140">TS</a>]

00:02:22   no I which I have finally seen it i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/142">TS</a>]

00:02:24   not seen cars number one I just did by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/144">TS</a>]

00:02:26   the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/146">TS</a>]

00:02:26   promise i seen car 54 where are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/146">TS</a>]

00:02:29   i have seen that here in the sons of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31   talking cars and it's see it's i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/151">TS</a>]

00:02:36   i'm an amount insisting i'm right here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/156">TS</a>]

00:02:37   it's just that I see the trailers it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   wasn't that funny it's like wait a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/159">TS</a>]

00:02:40   minute if why are there seats if there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/160">TS</a>]

00:02:42   a play this is a planet in which humans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/162">TS</a>]

00:02:44   have never existed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/164">TS</a>]

00:02:45   one of the cars have seats don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   overthink it and II exactly see this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/167">TS</a>]

00:02:50   again but this time it's just I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/170">TS</a>]

00:02:51   assisting them right in saying that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/171">TS</a>]

00:02:53   was not a strong enough concept to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/173">TS</a>]

00:02:55   me to cauterize that neuron that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/175">TS</a>]

00:02:57   asking these questions understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   their seat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/179">TS</a>]

00:03:00   it's not their cars makes a whole lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/180">TS</a>]

00:03:01   more sense if you think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/181">TS</a>]

00:03:03   entirely as a story within the Toy Story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/183">TS</a>]

00:03:06   universe wherein someone is playing out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08   the cars story on a place at somewhere i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/188">TS</a>]

00:03:12   like that that's brilliant that's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/192">TS</a>]

00:03:13   good i'm going to use that alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/193">TS</a>]

00:03:15   that's good now you can watch it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/195">TS</a>]

00:03:16   that framework in mind anyway if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   would like to hear us talk about pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   incomparable episode 49 it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/200">TS</a>]

00:03:23   working roll with monsters and fifty we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/203">TS</a>]

00:03:26   apologize for the extinction of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/206">TS</a>]

00:03:28   clownfish that will give you an hour and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/208">TS</a>]

00:03:30   15 minutes of me john siracusa and Steve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/210">TS</a>]

00:03:33   let's walking through our favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/213">TS</a>]

00:03:35   moments in the pixar cannon so check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/215">TS</a>]

00:03:38   that out if you haven't already but uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/218">TS</a>]

00:03:40   but here we're going to be talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/220">TS</a>]

00:03:41   brave which is new and i speaking of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/221">TS</a>]

00:03:44   course to I went into brave with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/224">TS</a>]

00:03:46   diminished expectations i have to say as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/226">TS</a>]

00:03:49   somebody who has loved pixar movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/229">TS</a>]

00:03:52   since toy story and owns all up two cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/232">TS</a>]

00:03:55   and not including cars 2 on DVD and love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/235">TS</a>]

00:03:59   Pixar movies before I had kids and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01   course now my kids have loved watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/241">TS</a>]

00:04:02   those movies too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   i I don't know maybe it was that I had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/244">TS</a>]

00:04:06   skipped cars 2 and and was just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/246">TS</a>]

00:04:08   down on on the direction of where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10   picture was going or what but I i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/250">TS</a>]

00:04:12   very low expectations going in to brave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/252">TS</a>]

00:04:16   low to no expectations I i really didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/256">TS</a>]

00:04:19   I wasn't as enthusiastic about it i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   with the whole family which was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/261">TS</a>]

00:04:22   but I I was not sort of dragging them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/262">TS</a>]

00:04:25   they're like I might to some other movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/265">TS</a>]

00:04:27   that i really want to see and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/267">TS</a>]

00:04:30   so i don't know i don't want to give up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/270">TS</a>]

00:04:34   we should say the spoiler for the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   we're going to talk about moving spoil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/276">TS</a>]

00:04:37   it so if you don't want to know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/277">TS</a>]

00:04:39   happens in the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/279">TS</a>]

00:04:40   don't listen but I liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/280">TS</a>]

00:04:44   i'll give you that spoiler I I came out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   of it saying I liked it way more than I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/286">TS</a>]

00:04:49   had ever expected to and I I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/289">TS</a>]

00:04:52   decide how much of that is just my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   diminished expectations versus how much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57   how much I i liked it and we've talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/297">TS</a>]

00:04:59   about in previous podcast and I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/299">TS</a>]

00:05:01   believe sometimes it's all about your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/301">TS</a>]

00:05:03   expectations and whether they were met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05   or exceeded or not that influences your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/305">TS</a>]

00:05:09   emotions when you're watching a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   and when it's over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/311">TS</a>]

00:05:12   so how did everybody else feel about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/312">TS</a>]

00:05:15   about brave let's talk about the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/315">TS</a>]

00:05:18   film as a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/318">TS</a>]

00:05:19   first off John you want to start yeah i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/319">TS</a>]

00:05:21   actually went home with very high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   expectations I i finally did get around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25   to see them cars 2 and it wasn't the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/325">TS</a>]

00:05:26   disaster everyone said it was but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   certainly yeah like I can understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   people were doing it my expectations for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   cars to archive of expectations for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/332">TS</a>]

00:05:33   brave very high and a lot of it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/333">TS</a>]

00:05:36   back to the previous podcast we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38   talking about a female protagonist pics [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   are on my other broadcast talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   how that's that pic that picture was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/342">TS</a>]

00:05:46   challenging itself right one example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   that might be though you know why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/348">TS</a>]

00:05:49   they had a female protagonist maybe it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/349">TS</a>]

00:05:51   hard to do those kinds of stories so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/351">TS</a>]

00:05:52   when I saw they were making a movie with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   a female protagonist that got that got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/354">TS</a>]

00:05:57   my hopes up that they were gonna go in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/357">TS</a>]

00:05:58   different direction than the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/358">TS</a>]

00:06:01   movies they've done so because the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/361">TS</a>]

00:06:02   movies like don't fit into that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/362">TS</a>]

00:06:05   was a certain formula for our kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/365">TS</a>]

00:06:08   male centered male-oriented movie that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   they've made so far they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/370">TS</a>]

00:06:11   excellent and that great great movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   but this is this necessarily had to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/373">TS</a>]

00:06:14   something different and it could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/374">TS</a>]

00:06:16   been different in a terrible way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/376">TS</a>]

00:06:17   different a good way black citations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/377">TS</a>]

00:06:18   were very very high mostly because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/378">TS</a>]

00:06:20   stayed almost entirely spoiler freeze [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/380">TS</a>]

00:06:22   all I knew about it like any more notch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/382">TS</a>]

00:06:23   trail is all I knew is female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   protagonist Scotland medieval thing go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/385">TS</a>]

00:06:29   and i don't think it exceeded my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/389">TS</a>]

00:06:33   expectations but I think met them I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   pretty happy with that something would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/395">TS</a>]

00:06:36   be twice in the theater actually at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   insistence of my two young children who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/398">TS</a>]

00:06:40   wanted to go back to movie theaters see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/400">TS</a>]

00:06:42   it again so success on that measure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   both times I saw it in the theater I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/404">TS</a>]

00:06:47   liked it i I think it did interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/407">TS</a>]

00:06:49   things and it really made me think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51   what they actually did there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/411">TS</a>]

00:06:53   it didn't it didn't seem like obvious or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/413">TS</a>]

00:06:56   pat or try to me about the same token i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/416">TS</a>]

00:07:00   also have this nagging feeling that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02   still don't quite know what to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/422">TS</a>]

00:07:04   female protagonist so it'sit's maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/424">TS</a>]

00:07:05   turn over my mind a lot but I overall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/425">TS</a>]

00:07:07   give it a thumbs up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/427">TS</a>]

00:07:09   I should as a footnote that I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   discuss pics are on hypercritical number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/431">TS</a>]

00:07:14   12 and number 13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/434">TS</a>]

00:07:16   if you need to look it up if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/436">TS</a>]

00:07:17   internet i have an encyclopedic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/437">TS</a>]

00:07:20   knowledge of the hyper of high do not so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   you kidding i know every I i I've made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/442">TS</a>]

00:07:25   supercut of only you talking about pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/445">TS</a>]

00:07:28   and yeah anyway still eight hours like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/448">TS</a>]

00:07:31   it is it's very long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   brand what did you think of brave i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/453">TS</a>]

00:07:36   quite liked it i went in with anti [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/456">TS</a>]

00:07:39   medium high expectations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/459">TS</a>]

00:07:41   I mean my history with pics are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   basically is that I've gone to every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/464">TS</a>]

00:07:47   single pixar film either in a midnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/467">TS</a>]

00:07:49   release or on the day that the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/469">TS</a>]

00:07:51   came out so I'm you know I'm a big fan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/471">TS</a>]

00:07:54   of their work in general and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/474">TS</a>]

00:07:57   really curious to like many people I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   imagine to see what they were going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   do with a pseudo traditional fairy tale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/481">TS</a>]

00:08:04   and I'm all for free male protagonist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/484">TS</a>]

00:08:07   especially when they're written well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/487">TS</a>]

00:08:09   I think Mara is a shit they're they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   definitely spots throughout the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/491">TS</a>]

00:08:14   where maybe it's not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   hammering home the message that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18   they want but i think on the whole the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/498">TS</a>]

00:08:20   film is really solid it's really fun to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/500">TS</a>]

00:08:24   watch and i had the pleasure of watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26   it with two young children who were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/506">TS</a>]

00:08:27   horribly scared at the scary parts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/507">TS</a>]

00:08:30   horribly excited during the exciting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/510">TS</a>]

00:08:34   know adventure ii parts and what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/514">TS</a>]

00:08:37   really like about this film and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   stuck with me a few days after I watched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/519">TS</a>]

00:08:41   it i only watch this one once in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/521">TS</a>]

00:08:42   theaters which is unusual for me but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/522">TS</a>]

00:08:44   have not been getting to a lot of movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   lately I'm i really find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/526">TS</a>]

00:08:50   mother-daughter relationship in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/530">TS</a>]

00:08:52   film which is clearly what it's built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/532">TS</a>]

00:08:55   around but really go out of their way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   really solidify it in very specific ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/537">TS</a>]

00:09:01   which we'll talk about later I assume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   that i really appreciate the way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06   they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/546">TS</a>]

00:09:06   you know honed in on specific things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/546">TS</a>]

00:09:10   like yes we want to we want to basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/550">TS</a>]

00:09:12   use a small but mostly inconsequential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/552">TS</a>]

00:09:16   detail to highlight a feature of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/556">TS</a>]

00:09:19   relationship and that's that's something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   you don't see a lot of movies doing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/561">TS</a>]

00:09:22   lot of movies will kind of brush over it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/562">TS</a>]

00:09:24   in broad strokes and be like yes teenage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/564">TS</a>]

00:09:27   girl rebelling from her mother and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/567">TS</a>]

00:09:30   know that they do the the archetype the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/570">TS</a>]

00:09:33   stereotype I but this movie I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   starts with stereotype and then opens it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/575">TS</a>]

00:09:39   up further which I which I really enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/579">TS</a>]

00:09:41   it and I'm actually kind of sad that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/581">TS</a>]

00:09:43   didn't see this with my mother i feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   like i've seen all previous pixar films [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/585">TS</a>]

00:09:48   with her and I feel like that was this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50   would have been a good one to co-author [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/590">TS</a>]

00:09:51   i will now enter into the official [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/591">TS</a>]

00:09:54   record if your honor will let me remind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/594">TS</a>]

00:09:57   you might be the judge here i order that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   this be put in the official record a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   piece called just another princess movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   on the new inquiry will put it in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/603">TS</a>]

00:10:05   show notes and it is bio woman whose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/605">TS</a>]

00:10:10   name is very difficult to pronounce its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11   Lily looper oh I believe a great long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/611">TS</a>]

00:10:16   essay about how about exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/616">TS</a>]

00:10:19   you're saying about how it on one level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21   this is the the movie we sort of expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   in terms of princesses and her mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/623">TS</a>]

00:10:26   says you'll be you know you one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/626">TS</a>]

00:10:29   Prince's will become your husband and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/629">TS</a>]

00:10:30   she repels and you think you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32   the where the arc of the story is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/632">TS</a>]

00:10:34   and you you actually don't which was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/634">TS</a>]

00:10:38   of the things that delighted me about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   but will so we'll get back to that let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   continue my pole damn freaks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/642">TS</a>]

00:10:45   what did you feel generally about movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   I i went into it with pretty high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/647">TS</a>]

00:10:50   expectations like John I saw you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/650">TS</a>]

00:10:53   that the premises Scottish historical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   background female protagonists pixar I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/655">TS</a>]

00:10:58   thought the previous are gorgeous so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   was pretty excited i came out i think i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/660">TS</a>]

00:11:03   was pleased with that I think it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/663">TS</a>]

00:11:04   little bit less than my expectations for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/664">TS</a>]

00:11:07   reasons we'll probably get into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/667">TS</a>]

00:11:10   mainly because it just felt a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/670">TS</a>]

00:11:12   less pics are a little more Disney and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   know Glenn fleshman heard me say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   once and who disagreed vehemently but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/676">TS</a>]

00:11:19   he's not here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/679">TS</a>]

00:11:20   I i really liked the characters i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/680">TS</a>]

00:11:22   thought i'm like Ren said the mother and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/682">TS</a>]

00:11:24   the daughter which is clearly the focus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/684">TS</a>]

00:11:25   they did the characters really well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/685">TS</a>]

00:11:28   made them they're they're animated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/688">TS</a>]

00:11:31   cartoons characters right but they made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/691">TS</a>]

00:11:33   them feel real and that relationship to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   the mom and the daughter felt like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/695">TS</a>]

00:11:37   kind of relationship on actual teenager [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/697">TS</a>]

00:11:39   might have with just larger consequences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/699">TS</a>]

00:11:42   people being turned into bears and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   getting into battles and stuff but um I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   felt like a real relationship and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/706">TS</a>]

00:11:47   really like that um I thought that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50   sum of the supporting characters like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/710">TS</a>]

00:11:51   the dad and stuff we're kind of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/711">TS</a>]

00:11:54   goof balls which is sort of the Disney's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   side that broad but but you know it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/716">TS</a>]

00:11:59   it's a movie about about the though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/719">TS</a>]

00:12:02   female relationships so you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/722">TS</a>]

00:12:03   can't really feel bad about that fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/723">TS</a>]

00:12:05   somebody on Twitter set a couple weeks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/725">TS</a>]

00:12:07   ago they said wait you're you're being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/727">TS</a>]

00:12:11   reduced to caricatures i would not know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/731">TS</a>]

00:12:13   how that feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   it was a woman of course I uh I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   that was funny yeah but I'm overall I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/737">TS</a>]

00:12:18   thought it was really it was really it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   was well done and it was it was I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/740">TS</a>]

00:12:25   to see I'm i like that it exists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   perhaps as much if not more than I liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/747">TS</a>]

00:12:29   itself that there's a Pixar movie with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/749">TS</a>]

00:12:32   with the female protagonist that's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/752">TS</a>]

00:12:35   a women relationships and that's good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   that's good and it's not just a dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   teenage love story thing right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/759">TS</a>]

00:12:42   Andy what about you what do you think my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/762">TS</a>]

00:12:46   expectations were high those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/766">TS</a>]

00:12:47   expectations were met [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/767">TS</a>]

00:12:48   I I would have a good friend who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/768">TS</a>]

00:12:50   actually bout not this time i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/770">TS</a>]

00:12:52   thinkin bout not to see this movie but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/772">TS</a>]

00:12:54   he was certainly didn't plan to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/774">TS</a>]

00:12:55   movie only because he liked a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/775">TS</a>]

00:12:57   people he saw the trailers oh dear it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/777">TS</a>]

00:13:00   a princess being forced to marry and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   repels and now she has to go through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   this whole little journey you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   but she's gonna have a singing talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08   hedgehog companion perilous journey of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   hers and that's then we've seen that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/790">TS</a>]

00:13:13   from from disney God knows how many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15   times his name is haggis by the way the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/795">TS</a>]

00:13:18   singing talking Scottish Hedgehog is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   haggis spoiler alert i thank you g but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/800">TS</a>]

00:13:26   that what it is is that that's how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28   Disney would do that story and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/808">TS</a>]

00:13:31   playing the game and easy level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/811">TS</a>]

00:13:33   sorry is playing the game at expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/813">TS</a>]

00:13:35   level where you're hitting a controller [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/815">TS</a>]

00:13:39   but push the joystick up because okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/819">TS</a>]

00:13:40   well obviously the way for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/820">TS</a>]

00:13:41   character the situation await that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43   control doesn't work because that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   easy level this is expert level we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/825">TS</a>]

00:13:47   actually have to think we have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   actually get through get through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/829">TS</a>]

00:13:52   actual conflict between these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/832">TS</a>]

00:13:53   characters the basis of how these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/833">TS</a>]

00:13:56   characters way to each other and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   really struck me at the end the reason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   why i thought was so satisfying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   reason why I really do categorize it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04   up among the best of what pixar offers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/844">TS</a>]

00:14:07   is that there's a it made me it made me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/847">TS</a>]

00:14:10   think about the early days of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/850">TS</a>]

00:14:11   computer-generated imagery where the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/851">TS</a>]

00:14:15   odd thing about it is that the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/855">TS</a>]

00:14:18   that will be impossible to animate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/858">TS</a>]

00:14:20   traditionally is easy easy as hell to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/860">TS</a>]

00:14:23   animate in in computer graphics you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/863">TS</a>]

00:14:26   to do a glass fear if you want to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/866">TS</a>]

00:14:28   character that that's covered in chrome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/868">TS</a>]

00:14:29   those are dirt simple for computer to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/869">TS</a>]

00:14:32   animate what's really difficult is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/872">TS</a>]

00:14:34   something that simple animate like shit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/874">TS</a>]

00:14:36   like a sheet of paper something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/876">TS</a>]

00:14:37   that and this is what that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/877">TS</a>]

00:14:40   this is sort of translates into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/880">TS</a>]

00:14:41   story of a brave we're at Pixar started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/881">TS</a>]

00:14:46   off making huge huge huge impressions by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/886">TS</a>]

00:14:49   doing things that are sort of impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/889">TS</a>]

00:14:51   to do otherwise we're here is a story in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53   which all the tall the child's toys come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/893">TS</a>]

00:14:56   to life and their personalities and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/896">TS</a>]

00:14:58   there's hold this whole backstory going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/898">TS</a>]

00:14:59   on when you're not looking at your toys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/899">TS</a>]

00:15:01   or another one where here is an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   world of bugs and here is a world that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   the planet is covered with trash and has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   all these robots that have to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/907">TS</a>]

00:15:09   work of human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/909">TS</a>]

00:15:10   this is the first one in which these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12   pics are was have what seems like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/912">TS</a>]

00:15:14   seems to be an unsurmountable challenge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/914">TS</a>]

00:15:16   they have to do a very human story where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/916">TS</a>]

00:15:19   it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/919">TS</a>]

00:15:19   they could have shot this live-action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/919">TS</a>]

00:15:21   without much difficulty whatsoever they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/921">TS</a>]

00:15:24   could have there's only really one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/924">TS</a>]

00:15:26   fantasy element in this entire story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/926">TS</a>]

00:15:29   you do and it is that ok spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/929">TS</a>]

00:15:32   it's when a character gets to transform [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/932">TS</a>]

00:15:33   into a bear there and and I could I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/933">TS</a>]

00:15:36   could just tell that yo this is the this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   whole thing got greenlit when like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/938">TS</a>]

00:15:42   if they put the top of the pitch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44   we're here the characters ABC DNA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/944">TS</a>]

00:15:47   and the Queen gets turned into a bear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/947">TS</a>]

00:15:48   and suddenly like the pitch stops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/948">TS</a>]

00:15:50   because all the animators the ring oh my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   god I'll be so funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   okay first of all do a shot which like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/954">TS</a>]

00:15:55   she has to eat okay then we'll do a shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   like okay where you're going for with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/957">TS</a>]

00:15:58   this movie just because you're thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/958">TS</a>]

00:16:00   about how cool will be to animate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/960">TS</a>]

00:16:01   character at that point but you could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   you could do that if you you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05   actually do away with that element [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/965">TS</a>]

00:16:06   completely and just create create a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   reason for which the Queen let's say the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   quit the the America gives her the cake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/970">TS</a>]

00:16:13   that's the magic cake that's not a magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/973">TS</a>]

00:16:14   cake she just like used spoiled eggs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/974">TS</a>]

00:16:17   when she baked it and so the Queen has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/977">TS</a>]

00:16:19   absolutely horrible stomach cramps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   she is and she's completely indisposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   for like this with us how this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/983">TS</a>]

00:16:25   negotiation has to happen you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   really do the entire story almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/987">TS</a>]

00:16:29   exactly the same way from that point on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/989">TS</a>]

00:16:31   we're because it's not about the magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/991">TS</a>]

00:16:33   and it's not about the animation that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/993">TS</a>]

00:16:36   has to happen when you have a magical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/996">TS</a>]

00:16:37   spell going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/997">TS</a>]

00:16:38   it really is about these characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40   interacting with each other and bouncing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:42   off of each other and there is no point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:44   at which Meredith sings a song about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:46   horrible it is to be a princess you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:48   there is no talking hedgehog they're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1008">TS</a>]

00:16:51   only thing that came up a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:52   close to that is the is the the magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:54   woman in the forest which was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:56   Disney ask although they put their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1016">TS</a>]

00:16:59   little twist on it but when it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:01   down to is that this is probably the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:03   most human level story that has ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1023">TS</a>]

00:17:06   been done in computer animation they did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   something incredibly difficult by doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   a story that could have been filmed live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12   action with really really good actors [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:14   but they had to do it all by hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:16   through animation that's why i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:17   it's above it's a real landmark thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:20   for Pixar to have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:21   yeah it looks every time they seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1041">TS</a>]

00:17:24   want to challenge themselves technically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:25   and not only have lots and lots and lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:27   of human characters which is always a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:29   challenge because you have you have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   choose a caricature style essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   because you don't want to get caught me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:34   in the uncanny valley but I her hair her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1054">TS</a>]

00:17:40   unruly red hair is that I feel like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:44   i was thinkin on my bus ride home today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   about the how they always like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   technically challenged themselves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50   good grief i was wondering how many guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:53   like spent weeks coding new processes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:58   the Pixar Animation computer system [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:00   to do that hair and because he wrote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1080">TS</a>]

00:18:04   their animation system ya hair without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:06   hair right i mean so that that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:08   thousands of hours of programming time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   for it for hair but it's a fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:13   hair this is why the bonus DVD is the is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:16   the best investment in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   enjoyment per dollar because you almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   don't wanna watch the movie you want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:22   just go right to the commentary track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:23   and that'sthat's we find out in toy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   story 3 that the biggest technical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   challenge the entire movie was finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   out how to animate a trash bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   ok that is literally true where you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:35   this writer's throws up this lines okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   the toys are put inside a trash bag and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   that was fast forward how difficult it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   going to be too like animate the trash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:42   compactor i was going to be to animate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:44   this fire and meanwhile now like now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   that you have to put the production that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:47   nobody could figure out how to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:49   plastic of a trash bags would actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:51   move the way that plastic moves and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:53   everybody's tearing their hair out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55   psycho use stupid idiot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:57   you could've written anything else they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   could say because we are her bag [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   ok how about putting in a chromebox [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   we're really good at doing things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:04   made out of chrome but this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:07   pixar does right i mean this is part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:09   what separates it from other animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:10   companies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:11   um I i read an article where they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   talking about the interviewed archery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:17   and physics and researchers talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:20   about how that the one scene where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:22   Meredith takes that archery shot in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:24   slow-motion how they got all the details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1164">TS</a>]

00:19:26   exactly right on how the arrow bend and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:30   shakes during that during flight really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:32   does band around the boat like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:35   yeah it's a lot of attention to detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:38   you also get the sense that the pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:39   guys left I was like alright we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41   to move out archery and it and bears and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:43   in Scotland we're gonna go to Scotland [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:45   for a while and see some bears and learn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:48   how to shoot arrows and lots of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:51   and then they apply it to do this i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:53   wanted to talk about for a moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:55   somebody actually in the chatroom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:56   mentioned this and I i have the exact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58   same plot which is one of the reasons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00   that i think i was so delighted by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:03   movie when i saw it was that that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:04   hadn't read a lot about it and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:07   trailer to me seemed to be a real act of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:11   misdirection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:12   the one seen that they kept showing over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:14   and over again which was Meredy shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:16   the her bow and arrow with you know to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:19   take better shots than that her three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   suitors and I feel like that was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:25   picks are playing us that they were they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:28   were they were actually in the marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:29   even setting up an expectation for what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1229">TS</a>]

00:20:33   this movie would be that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:37   they didn't deliver that they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:39   want to deliver that they delivered in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   the first 10 minutes and then swerved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   and when in a whole other direction and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   I loved that I loved going into that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   movie and really not knowing that uh you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:51   know that it was gonna be a story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:53   a girl and her mother who had been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:56   transformed into a kind of wacky clumsy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1256">TS</a>]

00:20:58   talking bear and I i love the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1258">TS</a>]

00:21:01   that it it legitimately took me by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:04   surprise and wasn't a movie that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   led to believe by the commercials in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:07   trailer the whole movie kinda does that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:10   where it at every turn this story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:13   not just the movies of it is the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   is there's an event that's going to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:16   place that you think will either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   heighten the tension or resolve some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:21   kind of conflict and it just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:22   like it with the ads you expected that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:25   archery contest to be something and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   wins it and something dramatic happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:28   and it's just like that's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:30   starting of the dialogue like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   barely even you know all the events that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34   would be a big turning point a dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   scene that has a dramatic changes just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   don't in the movie and it's like oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   the problem is still that didn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   win the archery thing but i still have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:44   the problem still exists we haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:45   solved the problem in it at every point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:47   everything that's supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:49   triumphant are transformative in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:50   typical movie of this type is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:53   transformer transformer it because all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   your same problems that were set up at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   the b-movie continue to exist they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   go away because the music swells and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   something interesting happens on screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03   and that's that's very I don't say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:05   unsettling but like it keeps you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   off-balance as a viewer up because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   do expect certain terms of events to act [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:12   a certain way in the movie they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:13   don't let that's why I think different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:16   studios different writers have almost a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:17   credit score when it comes to well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1337">TS</a>]

00:22:20   creating screenplays Pixar is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:22   really good that way where you'll see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1342">TS</a>]

00:22:24   the trailer and you think you can start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:25   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1345">TS</a>]

00:22:26   you can't help but be reminded of films [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   that are sort of someone to this trailer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:29   but you know that well this is pics are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   so if they're going to give us something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:33   that looks like what we've seen before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   that's probably going to be misdirection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   to begin with although i will i will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39   contrary a little bit there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:41   uh I thought the second trailer for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:43   movie gave away way too much because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:46   knew exactly what the twist was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:49   be because they they have the in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   of the the three mute little brothers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:55   oh yeah and then you see a shot of three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   little bears like okay I bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:00   oh and that's that's why the the shot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:02   the Bears trying was trying to trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1382">TS</a>]

00:23:04   and failing to catch a salmon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:05   ok now I know what happens now the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:07   question is does the entire family turn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:09   into bears or just a couple didn't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:12   it didn't ruin for me but I i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   that was okay i think they want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16   able to further it's difficult you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   to show three little bears like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:19   certain point the marketing people take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   over and listen we're showing throwing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:22   three little bears could be any kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:24   that's gonna put into identify the three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   little bears yes Saul you kept telling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   me here at that bears a tested through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:30   the roof through thought roof week we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32   wish we could sign all the details are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   being offered frozen licensing gotta put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   the bed without it the trailer is in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   trailer noble argument next Pixar movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   there's two it's there was no beers one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:43   well the country bears honey talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:45   their instruments rudimentary into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:46   spring the servants so another way that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:48   this movie took me by surprise which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50   liked was the the mother turns into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:55   bear and I so as I'm watching that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:58   thinking okay I know again I know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:01   this is going which is that she's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:02   to be turned into a bear and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:04   gonna chase after and that's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06   the the plotline and what I did not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   expect for whatever reason maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   should have maybe this is my fault I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   didn't expect that she would be entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:16   herself and not transformed into an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:19   animal and that that we would end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   with these really wacky and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:25   really enjoyable scenes where where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:28   mother is not realizing she's a bear and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:33   discovering she's a bear and being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:34   horrified that she's a bear and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:37   married has to has to smuggle her out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1477">TS</a>]

00:24:39   the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:39   Castle and I thought that was all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:41   was all charming and again not what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:42   expected I expected it to be she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44   turned into a bear and she becomes an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   animal and runs off into the forest and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:48   then they have to find her and save her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:49   from being hunted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:50   I figured that would be the arc here but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   I didn't expect so much great interplay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:55   and really mother-daughter interplay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   between America and her mother turned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1497">TS</a>]

00:25:00   into a giant bear with the Briton that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:02   was that was so bro it's how i love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1502">TS</a>]

00:25:04   so much that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:05   yes of course is gonna be the wacky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   seems I what I'm a bear all know I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:09   be all my beer holy cats I'm a bear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:11   the end you get through that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:12   instantly because it goes right just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:14   write down to as if like Mara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:16   accidentally like you know left her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:18   mom's hair and the curlers too long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1518">TS</a>]

00:25:20   her hair is like albarn scores and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   has no hair left now to like look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   what you did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:25   104 watches if you bought anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:28   through Meredy these now look what now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   we're going to fix this now what is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   my fault it's not my fault that said the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   knob on the dial should be set a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:35   bit but it's not my fault well I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:36   care about your fault and we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   do it the minute you have this argument [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   between like a very like Angry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   twelve-year-old girl and the eight-foot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   bear who's wearing a tiara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:47   ya know it's a great image it's been hot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:51   I really like actually that it gets it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:55   gets married his mother to shut up even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:57   though she's interacting you know she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:00   not necessarily for the first time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   you notice she doesn't do a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   physical interaction you see it a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   bit when marriages young but as she gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   older you don't you see the Queen become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   more and more reserved and she's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   polite and she's you know she doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:14   use her hands very much it's very you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   know talking and measured tones and as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   soon as she gets turned into a bear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:21   she has the same kind of boisterous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:23   energy that Mara does when there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1583">TS</a>]

00:26:25   moving around and marriages talking and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:27   things like that so it's in a weird way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:30   it's like they're put on the same level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:31   and she's I mean yeah you get her bring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:34   being brought into the forest and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:36   get married and interacting with her in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   that way and like well look at where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   hang out with them and spend my days mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:41   but you I feel like for the first for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:45   the first time since Merida's little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47   tiny kid the two of them connect in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:51   did all the only thing they had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   do was you know take her out of a gallon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:55   and turn into a nature of their into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:56   bear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:57   although her mother's immediate response [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   is that she's horrified that she's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   ladylike enough as a bear which is hence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:04   the tiara and and other things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   happened very early on in her mannerisms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:07   where she's trying to be dainty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09   realizing that it's completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:10   impossible and that's great because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1630">TS</a>]

00:27:12   isn't that kind of a parallel with with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:14   marisa who finds this idea that she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1634">TS</a>]

00:27:17   going to be this lady that her mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   wants her to be completely impossible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   she just can't she can't even conceive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:24   of it there's no way she can do it so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   I am I i do love that and then of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:28   then threw her misfiring magic the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1648">TS</a>]

00:27:33   mother and the daughter actually get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:34   spend time together out of this context [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:37   that they're in which is the context of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:38   all of these other princess movies right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:40   of you know you have to you have to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42   this no I'm going to repel against that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   and they and they take it and they take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   it all the way out which is great they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:47   they they put him in the forest with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:50   gotta eat it eat some fish and follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:53   the will of the wisp of the one hard and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1673">TS</a>]

00:27:55   fast thing that like other princess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:58   movies tend to do is the the the adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   whoever they may be the adults in power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   who are telling the kids to do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:03   things they don't want to do they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:04   like two modes they have like Stern but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:08   being started out of love and concern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:10   mode and then at the end of the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1690">TS</a>]

00:28:11   they have the slight softening with its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   alright you taught me kid i guess i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   wrong after all some kind of softening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   in this that those modes don't exist in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   this movie because in the beginning we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:21   established the characters like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1701">TS</a>]

00:28:22   a mother who loves her little daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:23   and then with that contrasted with now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:26   look how their relationship is has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   changed and cooled and strained a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:29   bit as she enters adolescence and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:32   they go off into when she's on she's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:33   bear the it slips everything around and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:36   now you know now the mother needs help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:39   from the daughter and the daughter is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:41   forced to look at the mother not as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1721">TS</a>]

00:28:43   authority figures telling me to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1723">TS</a>]

00:28:44   something I don't want to do but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:45   another vulnerable human being with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   own problems and she's this slide thru [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49   the cause of like that that leveling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:51   playing field of like oh now both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   movie and the protagonist now recognize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   the adult authority figure as also a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:57   human being with problems and needs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   motivations that never happens it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   always like the wall because it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:02   that that the the dumb adults and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:04   end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1744">TS</a>]

00:29:05   the crazy kids in typical kids movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07   this completely levels that what i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:09   about that's how it gets revealed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:12   America but what I like about this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   too is that the the magic and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17   turning the mother into a bear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:21   doesn't that makes me laugh every time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   she's a bear doesn't transform her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:26   attitude toward her daughter that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:28   there's a very very nice scene where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:33   know Meredith cuts the tapestry right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:35   and and and her mother throws marriages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1775">TS</a>]

00:29:38   bow and the fire and um what's wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:42   is that her mother and you're thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   oh this is this awful woman she she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:47   doesn't understand her daughter and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:48   says oh what if I done and she realizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   just how terrible this action has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:54   and that they've come this far and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:57   relationship is so broken and I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:59   appreciated that because it lets you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:02   that she realizes what these issues are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04   before she turns into the bear instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06   of it being well i got turned into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:07   bear and it made me rethink a few things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   instead it's like she's already [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   rethinking and realizing this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:14   problem with her relationship with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:15   daughter and it just so happens because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   she gets turned into a bear and has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   go to the forest that she can you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:22   they learn to communicate even though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   she can't talk and it all works itself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:26   out but I think it's important that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:28   mother realizes before there's any magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:31   involved that they've got this is gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:33   you know way too far and that she needs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35   to do something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:36   yeah that not only value but again it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:39   it's it's playing the game at expert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41   level not only it instantly sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:43   movies there's also that the the final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   scenes which well you're you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   little girl like you think he was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   little girl that can make her own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:50   decisions but you should forge your own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:52   path [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:53   part of it is that America has to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:55   realize that oh actually mom had mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:57   with mom but my mother was making really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:59   really good points here they would leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01   this she wasn't just sort of making me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:03   to something that I don't want to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:04   it's actually really really essential [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:07   for like the continued health of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1867">TS</a>]

00:31:08   everybody who lives in this article in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   time right that we maintain the pace I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:13   didn't I was too frustrated to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:15   listen to what she was saying was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:17   to teach with something really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:18   the important and ok let's let's find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1878">TS</a>]

00:31:20   way to solve that problem they get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   gives the mother of the grown-ups credit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:25   for being intelligent human beings yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   and it's it's that sense compromise to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:29   where she's she's about she realizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1889">TS</a>]

00:31:31   what her mother's been trying to teach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:32   her in that scene with the the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:35   four tribes and in that meeting where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:37   things are about to come fall apart and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:40   at the same time she offers basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42   she's gonna go and do everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   offer her hand in marriage and her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:46   mother as a bear says no right that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1906">TS</a>]

00:31:51   says no no you don't need to do that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   there's that compromise that happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:54   that moment while they're mining she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:56   mine to her cause she's out there that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:58   was brilliant with Billy I i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:00   wanted to like send twenty dollars to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:01   Pixar saying five of you get copies for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:04   dollar copies on me because you deserve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   it with it the the whole the whole point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   of her like giving that speech at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:09   seventy-five percent of it is simply to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   distract everybody so that her mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   bear could sneak upstairs with attack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15   tapestry is so they can pick together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:17   but she was the queen squander this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1937">TS</a>]

00:32:19   opportunity because she's so proud of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:22   her daughter and she's just transfixed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:25   and she's like almost welling up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   tears at how wonderful and strong and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   intelligent a girl itchy that she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   raised here and she's squander this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   opportunity because she just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:34   want to miss it and all goodness bestest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   it's not it's not as tear-jerking as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:39   know this as a as a as Jesse being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   abandoned toy story 2 but it's up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   you will get some way you're going what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:46   is handy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:46   that's about as tear-jerking as it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:48   that is that song that damn song the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:51   Sarah McLachlan song and toy story 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:52   love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   oh no we just call out the begin to cry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   now song just start crying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   go ahead all of you have kind of touched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   on something that struck me about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:01   movie which is that there really are no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   bad characters in the movie in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:05   you know evil there's course there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:07   Fallen prints and you know who is kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:09   of touched on but he's really just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   backstory he's not really a character in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   this in the movie every other character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   in the movie is pretty much a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   person and that the movie is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:20   about the relationships between good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:22   people that sometimes don't go well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:26   and how you know how you can sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:27   fix those but i just like the fact that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29   you know I could take my kids the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:32   there's a lot of violence in it which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:33   kind of freaked him out but everybody in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   the movie was actually a good you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   at heart a good person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:39   yeah yeah i'm also by the way it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:43   fans of baseball young McIntosh is Tim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:45   Lincecum not the voice the guy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:49   totally San Francisco Giants long hair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:51   big chin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:52   totally yeah check it out I mean they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:54   had to put in their twenties to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:55   when it's beautiful it's a thing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:57   beauty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:57   surrender you've seen a lot of pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59   movies did were you struck by the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01   that this was either their attempt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:05   finally tell a story with a with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:07   female character as the protagonist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:08   after you know many many movies having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:11   not you know having not gone there or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:14   did it did it really not matter i are at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:19   least my opinion is always first and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   foremost to tell a good story turns sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   I feel like it does not matter who the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:26   protagonist is as long as everyone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   the film is flushed out and interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   i like seeing female protagonists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:33   because as a kid I know like it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2073">TS</a>]

00:34:37   hard to grow up and have only role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:39   models like pink power ranger to be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:42   you know oh yeah no I want to play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   Wolverine no you can't play Wolverine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   because you're a girl like that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   thing is very disappointing for for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:52   kid and so I appreciate it from that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:55   from that level i appreciate that little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   girls you know can go and be like yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2097">TS</a>]

00:35:00   want to learn archery I want to be you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   know an awesome princess who saves her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04   mother and you know and and focuses in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:07   and is awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   I i really like that aspect of it I but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:13   i think on the whole I mean pixar pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:17   does well by its characters you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:20   when it chooses to make archetypal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   characters it usually does it for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   reason and they like to play off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:28   like the triplets and brave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:30   I you get a good balance there between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:33   the archetypal roles that you might see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:36   in any other animation series and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:38   the little twist the the pic sorry and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:41   flavor that they that they put to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:43   the archetypes a little more interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2143">TS</a>]

00:35:45   and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:45   memorable and funny in your eyes I so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:49   i'm very glad that pixar did a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:52   with female protagonist and i'm all for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2152">TS</a>]

00:35:54   seeing more female protagonists in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:56   future because I would love it if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2156">TS</a>]

00:35:58   could stop talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2158">TS</a>]

00:35:59   oh isn't it novel that isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:02   adorable that girl thinks he's a hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:03   i'm glad they did that it's half the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:06   population and and one of 15 2015 12 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:09   pixar movies or 10 pixar movies or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:11   whatever it is so you know that that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13   sad that's really the the issue and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:16   course the attitude in Hollywood against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   lots of evidence to the contrary that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20   that a movies with female characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:24   don't do as well and then there's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:26   question of you know we'll kids with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:28   boys want to see a movie with a girl at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:30   the center of it and i can tell you that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:31   mean oh my son and I have a son and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:34   daughter and my and they both really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:35   liked it and it didn't really matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37   that that.oh well it's a girl I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:39   care about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:40   I mean they cared about her and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:42   the main character she's she's awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   and she's got this you know and her mom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:45   turns into a bear and how cool is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:46   and it wasn't an issue with them i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:49   it's more of an issue with the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51   who are worried about and are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:52   overthinking how it's going to play in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:55   the box office [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:56   it's the marketers that are worried not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:58   the little kids the little kids just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   want a good story and fun characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:02   exactly so so one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2222">TS</a>]

00:37:06   we've touched on briefly is that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   are there are many many other animated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10   movies that are famous for having a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:13   female protagonist but that there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2233">TS</a>]

00:37:15   lots of issues with those and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:18   the obviously the Disney Princesses come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   to mind there are you know Disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   animated movies mostly mostly are female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:26   characters at the center but they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:28   generally even called and marketed as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:31   the disney princesses and they have lots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:33   of things in common involving no mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   or dead mother or dead parents and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:39   they usually have a well let's see i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:42   mean that they're all the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:43   things that they need that they are in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:44   situation they want to repel against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:46   there being a being a princess and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48   day my prince will come it right there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   either put into a into a relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   that they don't want with with somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:54   and they rebelled against it only to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:56   discover that the in this case the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:57   prince is nice or they from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:59   another boy who is also nice instead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:03   you know you can trace the story arc of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:05   the disney princess and you know even in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:08   recent times when Disney has tried to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:11   make movies with non-white princesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:13   that's their big step is that the that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:16   the race of the animated character that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   doesn't actually I guess have erased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:20   because it's animated is the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:23   variation which is great on one level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   but it doesn't really change the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:27   arcs which you know in Pocahontas or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   Milan or the princess and the frog you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:32   know the story arcs are still not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34   different even if the characters look a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:35   little bit different you know what I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   actually argue that Milan and specific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39   reminded me of brave a lot and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:42   movie sort of isolation area from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:45   rest of the disney princess lot i takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:48   on more of a i'm doing this you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:52   because I want to help somebody or I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:55   want to you know go forward and make my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:56   own path and and it holds together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:59   towards the end of it like yes Mulan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:02   ends up meeting in you know eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   falling in love with one of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:07   that you know she's working together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:09   within her in her unit but you know she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:12   goes through the whole movie basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:15   to to defend honor and yes she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:19   defending her father's on RC could argue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:21   oh no that makes her a weak character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   but i think so does mother in Milan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   yeah exactly her reported mother know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:27   her mother's alive in that no okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   her mother is alive I don't know how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31   actually send her father is we i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:34   we see her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:34   we see her because she's come from panda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:37   just have a know there are many there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2377">TS</a>]

00:39:40   are many don't but that's all the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42   but still you mentioned already when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44   shang with the guys name sharing when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   shows up at the end though it's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:47   think the movies over and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   triumphant and she succeeded and she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   all these friends and she showed that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:52   she's resourceful and smart and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   shows up comes walking at the end is at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:55   that little girl you forgot your role in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58   life is to is to get in a relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2398">TS</a>]

00:39:59   with a man and here is so off you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:02   that it's a kind of undercuts it where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:05   the whole movie was not about that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:08   they had this little like not real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:10   relation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:11   what kind of like they flirting sexual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:14   tension thing which is fine but then at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:15   the end of the movie actor she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:16   trapping he shows up going all shocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2416">TS</a>]

00:40:18   lady you know you're dropped your role [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:19   in life is to come and be with me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   she's like oh yes now but that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:22   her father is so proud that she's found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2422">TS</a>]

00:40:25   a man to to find her desirable and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   get paired off and I'm not it's not at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:28   this terrible the disney movies with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   princess just gets in peril and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   princess to come and save her with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:33   kiss and bs like that but that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:36   that's the word that the worst thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:38   about the disney princess movies is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   all them revolve around the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:44   finding a man is your purpose in life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2444">TS</a>]

00:40:47   and they never explicitly say like and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   to have children or whatever it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:51   marriage that is the culmination of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   existence and then I how the stories and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   there's going to be you and it's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:56   to be a guy is gonna be handsome guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:57   it's gonna be nice and brave or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   but your role as a princess is to pair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   up with that guy and that works is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   evil or networks because little girls [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:06   like to think about their prints coming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:07   and stuff like that and making you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:08   the debate all the different reasons why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   that is so in nature versus nurture or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:11   whatever but that sameness and that sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:14   of just over decades and decades of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:15   doing the princess movies it's it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   gets tiring and it just it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   reinforces the notion in females [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:21   watching it like the path of your life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:24   no matter who you are what decade you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:25   live in what your race is what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:27   classes what your status is what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:28   skills are it's going to culminate in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   marriage and that's the end that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:32   end of the movie they never had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:33   second movie we've been married for 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   years and you have the screaming kids or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:36   whatever that's a less popular animated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:39   form the screaming kids parents while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   incredible is this is an incredible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:43   right now and the incredibles does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:45   good job of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:47   yeah no yeah it does it does the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   incredibles well we could talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:50   incredibles remember and maybe we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:52   very long time yeah yeah maybe we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:54   do a whole show about that I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   bring up something about going back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   brave as I yes go again and again I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:02   appreciate that they leave it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:05   I leave out the the possibility for Mara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:08   to fall in love with one of the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:11   that she eventually has to be betrothed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   to is still on the line but they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:18   resolving in this film you know she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:20   doesn't even have to think about it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:21   just know that is something to decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:24   when I am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:24   older and it will be my own choice right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   I appreciate that the romance wasn't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:29   know they didn't try and shoehorn a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:30   romance story into it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   yeah like that was the great things they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34   they have three suitors and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   watching it if you're watching with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:37   idea that stereotypes around like pi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   wonder which one of those three is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:40   to turn out to actually be the cool one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   she finds none of them nope none of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:43   out all you know a Qatari the shy open [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:47   whether i was so put off by earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   I'm starting to realize that perhaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:50   there's something in this person after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:52   all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:53   well yeah if it was a dreamworks movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:54   the two of them would be going off with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2574">TS</a>]

00:42:57   her mother the bear and finding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:58   something out about each other while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:00   they're babysitting her so john is a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:03   fan as we've covered on a previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:04   podcast of a of a miyazaki who is and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:08   people pics are huge fans I mean really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:09   if you look at the the big influences on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:13   the people pics are obviously disney and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:15   miyazaki I think would be two of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2595">TS</a>]

00:43:17   biggest if not the biggest and meanest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   Rockies movies are interesting because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   they quite frequently not always have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   female protagonist so John you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:26   what's your take on on how brave handles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:30   handles merida and universes disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:33   princesses and Miyazaki's characters us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:36   that thinking about ways to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:40   non-sexist I guess non stereotypical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:43   female characters because we all know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:45   what the stereotype is the outlines that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:47   very well how do you do a story with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:49   with with females female characters or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:52   female lead that doesn't fall into those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:55   traps and one way to do it is to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:57   story where gender doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2637">TS</a>]

00:44:01   and sometimes that the cheap way to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:04   that is to write a story with a male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   lead that you think is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:07   exciting and interesting that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:09   doesn't hammering on the mail stuff like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:11   it's not about I don't know tips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13   specifically male things but just write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:15   a regular story with the male lead and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:16   just swap the gender and that's it so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   was a prince you make a princess but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:20   just the stories exactly the same or if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2660">TS</a>]

00:44:21   it's just it's just a person you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:22   switch the gender right much harder is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:25   to write a story of a character living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:30   with all the usual impressions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:32   females that we all know from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:33   various cultures on earth there were you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:35   know in our societies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   have it be a female character had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   character living in a world where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:40   that stuff exists but don't have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2680">TS</a>]

00:44:43   movie about those forms of oppression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   everything just simply have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:46   character not be limited by them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:48   that's what miyazaki i think does so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   well with the female protagonist because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:53   they're in there in a world where their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:56   expectations of my outcome of kikis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:58   delivery services one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:00   movies of all time I am meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:02   she's she's in a world where there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:04   gender roles and expectations for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:06   females i love the fact that her friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:08   in the town is a pregnant woman which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:11   something that you know they wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:12   even show in live-action television for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:13   decades i probably can't show pregnancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   right is an acknowledgement that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   pregnancy is uniquely female your her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:20   role model when you know when she's away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:21   from her parents is this woman who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   pregnant and they don't talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:24   it's not a thing but it's their right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26   and there is the expectations of romance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:28   and the boy who likes her and everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   all the things that you are i set by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   the the younger sort of teenage friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34   in the woods who sort of more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:35   self-actualized woman showing her all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:38   and she has the older woman which makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:39   the pie for she's womanhood and all its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:42   different phases yeah and and all those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:45   people are you know you could say their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:48   stereotypes that they're in there in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:49   typical stages of life we see a woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:52   young kid teenager and older woman a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   pregnant woman and her childbearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:55   years up but that's not the story is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:58   about and she is not limited by those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:00   things and it doesn't culminate in her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:01   getting married and the the relationship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   is the same way it is when you have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:05   twelve-year-old like your life doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2765">TS</a>]

00:46:06   culminating you finally holding hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:08   with that boy is just one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:10   out here but that it's just I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:13   fact that acknowledges all that instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:15   of simply saying uh it's an amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:19   prints hero but i doubt it she's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:21   long hair and so she's a girl and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:23   look at this is that we don't we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:25   fall into those gender stereotypes at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2785">TS</a>]

00:46:26   all and that is very difficult to do I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:29   think I like that I like that in key the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   the boy is there like you said whoo-whoo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:34   he he kinda likes her and you know she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   sort of too busy but he's a friend but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:39   it's just not the point right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   it's there it's just not it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:44   another pointless and she is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2804">TS</a>]

00:46:45   slightly she's she likes the boy wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:48   to have a relationship with a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:49   feel self-doubt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:50   the boy is used as a part as I think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:52   is in real life where the kids that age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:54   are so self-absorbed that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:57   relationships type things are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   just ways for you to grow as a person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   and to figure out how all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:02   works and it's not so much about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   other person so she she feels self-doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:06   and and the rich friends that he has and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08   she's not comfortable that situation and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:09   she you know is depressed about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11   just dump doesn't have anything to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:12   with him and gets into self-loathing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   right but she doesn't want him to die by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:16   being dropped from a blimp yeah and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   all of it is about how she grows and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   kind of feel bad for Tom but because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   know he's times he's you know he's in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   the picture and she has deep feelings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:25   surrounding him but she really feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:28   or tambo doesn't you know at that age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   it's really all about you yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:31   growing not so much about the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:33   person I I think miyazaki does a it talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2853">TS</a>]

00:47:37   about expert levels like that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:38   masterclass how to do on how to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:41   female protagonists indeed in the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:44   interesting way possible and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2864">TS</a>]

00:47:47   miyazaki also to be fair for his entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:48   work does all the other levels till he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:51   got the stereotypical females who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:52   like the princess you do nothing like an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   and castle in the sky you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   oh yeah and he's got the like nas ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2876">TS</a>]

00:47:59   who is much more in the vein of what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:01   there's a little bit of gender roles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2881">TS</a>]

00:48:02   there and how she's treated by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:03   village but she's very much a similar to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:06   a prince here or you could swap her out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:07   with the with a male and half the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:10   works and the only one-half you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   change all of the key who I think is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   complete you know that the best move you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   look for little girls ever seen in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   entire life because it shows everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:21   that you're going to be beset by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:23   shows how you how that doesn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:25   define your limit you in any way and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27   you can deal with it and overcome it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:30   a movie like like totoro I mean the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:34   characters are our little girls and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   there's a boy around two and you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:40   doesn't matter that they're just they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:41   happen to be girls and it's just not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:42   big deal and they're not they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44   princesses but they do have their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:45   magical you know adventure and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   doesn't matter and the act like little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:49   they actually leaving them on the Attic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   stereotypical little girls that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:52   about what's great about is you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:53   want to make the girls who like girly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55   things feel like that is if I like girly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2935">TS</a>]

00:49:00   things I'm somehow failure as a woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:01   because I should be more manly and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:03   manly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:03   things and be like the prince in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05   story like it's ok to do all the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:08   that the girl stereotypically like but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   you don't you also don't have to accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   the other oppressions that seem to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:13   with gender roles in society so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:16   girls in miyazaki movies are girly much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   of the time but like that's okay they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:21   still are resourceful and heroic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:24   have have feelings and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:27   relationships and stuff in ways that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29   interesting and not limiting and never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:32   never need to be saved by a man or need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:35   to get married at the end of the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:36   or anything like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:37   can you tell we have daughters and Dan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:38   4x has his daughters to sew and i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:42   currently writing down a list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:43   miyazaki films that to put on my haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:46   lucky if you haven't shown tricky and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2986">TS</a>]

00:49:49   totoro to your your kids they're totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:51   safe for little kids to and are our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   amazing amazing castle is pretty good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:56   too although it has some scary points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   yeah I didn't really like that one but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   but yeah I mean yeah start with Kiki [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:03   totoro and go from there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3003">TS</a>]

00:50:05   bonito is really weird to really weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3005">TS</a>]

00:50:08   but we did a whole podcast miyazaki i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:11   like most of the really really good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:14   storytellers out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:15   his point is to tell a good fictional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:19   tale and you know pull people in and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:23   just happens to use female protagonist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:24   to do that and do it well but it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:28   you know he doesn't go into it or at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   least it doesn't feel like to me he goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   into it saying i need two female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35   characters and one male character and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:38   will balance this out you know his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:42   ratios are pretty even like in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:43   movies even if it is a female lead this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:45   the expected number of males and females [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:48   and also doing things that you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   expect males and females to do it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   like one half of a lot of the movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:53   they just cut out one half of the gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   oh this is a girl's movie so we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:56   to show us the moms and the daughters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:57   and my dad will come in for two scenes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   they don't even exist in the reverse if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   it's an action movie you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:02   females are just there to be love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   interest in distress and everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:05   is about the guys fighting right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   like half of the world is invisible to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:08   you and they just decided to focus on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   better movies show males and females in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:13   the expected ratios doing the expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   things and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   no whoever your main character is fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:18   but they inhabit a world that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:20   balanced in that way and and fits with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:23   whatever time it's done if it's if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:24   a Victorian thing and women are like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26   even more massively depressed than now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:28   that's what they show you know you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3088">TS</a>]

00:51:30   don't make it look like that's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:31   case and say well I want I want to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:33   a strong female character so i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:34   to pretend that you know the female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   there's a female president and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   1886 or something is well but you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:42   still write a female a strong female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:43   character and 1886 you just have to take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:46   a different tack from it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:47   yeah because the world she's in is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3107">TS</a>]

00:51:49   is different like you can't you you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:50   have the characters change but you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:53   change the environment like when you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:54   making completely fictional environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:56   you can choose what it's like obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:57   whatever century and Scotland that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3117">TS</a>]

00:51:59   have you have certain expectations that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   you have to deal with but if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:02   completely making a fictional more like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:03   a nozzle you can make that b2b however [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:06   you want and that can be an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:07   way to defy expectations or say that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   know even thousands of years in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:12   we've reverted to monarchy and typical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   gender roles but that still doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:16   limit this one princess for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:18   she's very very unlike princess you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   would expect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:21   absolutely so I can't go past through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:26   this podcast without bringing up legend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:29   of korra which aired recently and is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:32   animated show on Nickelodeon that is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:36   sequel to a it's an anime show but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:40   an American anime show or American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:43   written and designed anime show that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   produced in south korea but shown on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   American work it's very it's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:51   roundabout but um avatar the original [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3171">TS</a>]

00:52:54   series ran for I think 40 episodes was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:57   fantastic and had some great female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   characters and why didn't my yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   there's there's a great female character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:04   a couple of great female characters in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   the original avatar and now the sequel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   which started airing this year legend of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   korra has a female protagonist who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:13   besides being an excellently written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:16   character I one of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:19   people keep calling out and really that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   comes to mind when i watch it is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:23   never hear supporting characters in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:26   show describing Korra as oh you're so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:29   pretty i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:30   no hang out with you it's always wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   you're an amazing bender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:35   wow you do all these cool things wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:38   you're so strong and she's not drawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:41   like if you traditional feel what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:43   would think of a traditional female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:45   protagonist where she's basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:47   powerful character in this world and can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:50   do magic type things that they call [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:53   bending in the universe and she's drawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:57   buff she's drawn like she's been lifting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:59   weights since she was four and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:02   comment on that always in a positive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:04   aspect which I find really really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:07   fantastic my son was angry for halloween [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:10   Lester yes I that's that's a great a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:15   really really great show i watched it on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:18   the original avatar when I was sick a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:20   couple years ago when absolutely fell in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22   love with it like it is a kids show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:24   it is kids friendly but it is written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:26   with such care to the universe and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3266">TS</a>]

00:54:30   towards the characters that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:33   absolutely like I i put it up there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:36   like a really fantastic television show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   de to go and watch it introduced my kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:40   to the idea of serialize storytelling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3280">TS</a>]

00:54:42   that it's the story isn't over that what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:46   there is in the next episode the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   continues what would it would it would a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:49   second i wanna know what happened that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:51   a cliffhanger son that's called a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:52   cliffhanger get used to integrating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   early it's got to be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   it's got to be done so at but I I random [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:58   with you with you about something you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00   said earlier which is it would be nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:02   if we couldn't you we just didn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:03   to talk about this but you know the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   remains that it this is an ongoing issue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:08   that it you know in popular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:11   entertainment and as somebody who is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:15   up a parent of a of a daughter i I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:19   noticed it even more now than I did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3319">TS</a>]

00:55:21   before that I you know there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:24   popular entertainment out there that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:25   really seems to be that that it's got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:30   be about it's gonna be about male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:31   characters because women will go see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   movies about with male characters in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   lead but then we'll go see movies with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:37   women in the lead which i think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:39   keeps being proven isn't true but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41   still happens and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43   the kind of stuff that we like to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:44   about on this podcast that's often the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:48   case to right i mean there are there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:51   lots of great example to the contrary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:52   which i think would you would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:54   would prove that that it shouldn't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   the case and yet nobody seems to pick up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:58   on and he mentioned before we started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3358">TS</a>]

00:56:00   the fact that a alien and aliens that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:03   are carried by i'm incredibly strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:06   woman character and that's an action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:07   franchise and yet everybody seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:09   reluctant to and are supposedly making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:13   huge risks taking these risks by having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:16   women characters leading movies which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:18   seems insane to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20   the problem here is that when you write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:23   a really good female protagonist and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   tell a story that happens to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:26   really good female protagonist then it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:29   looked at by the general public as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   good story and the only people who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   highlighting it as hey look it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:34   such a cool female protagonist you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:36   should go look at that are generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:38   women because it's like oh hey look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3398">TS</a>]

00:56:43   finally a character that looks like us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:45   and you know acts that that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47   fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:48   I nice to finally see that but the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3408">TS</a>]

00:56:51   of the world doesn't really see oh this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3411">TS</a>]

00:56:54   is a movie about a woman there just oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:56   this is a really good story and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3416">TS</a>]

00:56:59   badass you know woman happens to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:02   fighting off aliens you know you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:05   you don't rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:06   you don't necessarily say just like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:08   don't necessarily say this is a film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3428">TS</a>]

00:57:10   with a male protagonist unless you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3430">TS</a>]

00:57:12   in the you know film discussion you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:15   looking for good stories and bad stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:17   but yes female protagonists are so few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:20   and far between because marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:22   executives and you know the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:25   green-lighting these stories and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:27   writing these stories to put money you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   know food on their table and money in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   their bank accounts you know they write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33   what sells and unfortunately even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:36   recently what sells either strong male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:40   protagonists because that's the way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:41   been since time immemorial or female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3461">TS</a>]

00:57:44   protagonists but the way we know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:47   they're you know good-hearted and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:49   important is that all the other male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   protagonist are all the other male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   characters are like oh you're so pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   oh your prince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:56   yes oh that's why I care about you of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3476">TS</a>]

00:57:59   course yeah you know that you talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:01   about like how it would be nice if we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:02   didn't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   I if it wasn't such a big deal that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:06   female protagonist but it's the cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:09   and effect i think it is as always been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:11   the other way is that there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:13   inequality in society and the art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3493">TS</a>]

00:58:16   reflects that that's just simply the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:17   it is and the reason it's an issue is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:19   not because of the imbalance in movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   the imbalance and movies exists because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   of the imbalances in society until and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   those imbalances have been getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:26   better over time on the long graph but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:29   they're still there and who knows how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:30   long it'll be until they're entirely gun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   I the art and the people who consume the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:35   art reflect that because those those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   inequalities existing society because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39   that's prevailing opinion in society and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   if most people think that way for good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:44   or for ill they seek out entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:46   that you know matches their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   preconceptions and so then it is a story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:51   when something goes against the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:54   expectations and the fact is that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56   expectations are still skewed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:58   intellectually we can all say we we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   that things should not be this way but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02   the reality is you know I even in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   most modern society's gender roles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:08   oppression of women still exists for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:10   same crazy reasons they've existed for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:11   you know for millennia and I i think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:16   know like changing the movies is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   going to change that part is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:19   come in the other direction like as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:21   becomes as certain things become beyond [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:22   the pale and real society then those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:24   things aren't shown in movies anymore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   and that that's the way movies will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:28   change if you want it to ever be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:29   point where is not a big deal to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31   female protagonist artist can make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:33   happen they can help they can help by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3573">TS</a>]

00:59:34   having great movies but what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:36   helping by as influencing society then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:38   we'll feed back into the art so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:39   kind of I sometimes I feel like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:42   artist get a bad rap for for that or it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:46   seems like things are the way they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:48   because the artist being made that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:49   when I think it's definitely very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3589">TS</a>]

00:59:51   heavily the other direction society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:53   produces the art I don't believe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:55   article in the studio i believe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:56   money people for being you're being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:58   cowards and so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   cowards and so yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   and for m4 you know being well I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:03   cowards but superstitious to the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:06   idea that I'd say that there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:08   evidence that it's not true and yet they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:10   keep doing it which makes me wonder if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   our the being truly superstitious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:13   cowards or they just saying you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3613">TS</a>]

01:00:16   it's easier to be to to be sexist if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:20   it's not worry about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:21   the idvr I don't think it's the artist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:23   if they do make a movie that I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:25   can go against the expectations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   stereotypes that exist in society with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   certain degree but once you cross a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:30   certain line then the story becomes 0 an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:33   action movie with a female John McClane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   are we right like that's the stupid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   evening news story like once you cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:38   that line that becomes the story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:40   that's what these executives are on fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:41   of that their movie crosses over in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:43   bad way into people aren't talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:45   my movie anymore they're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:47   the fact that my movie is it really goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:50   against what they expect from whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3650">TS</a>]

01:00:51   you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:52   yeah right you have the expected gender [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:53   roles and it's it's kind of amazing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:55   me that you know and dimension aliens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:56   earlier that that totally has not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3656">TS</a>]

01:00:58   happened with alien or aliens aliens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:01   didn't have but i think because people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   were accustomed to horror movies having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:04   female leads because they're supposed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   be in peril and they just stuck with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:07   sneaky one by their own she's not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   quite in parallel and she kind of is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   she's the one alive at the end right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:13   then aliens if you ask a guy about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:15   movie like oh yeah a Space Ranger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:17   shooting areas like you do realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:19   the main character member with a female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:20   and she was the one who fights the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:22   giant alien in the end in the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   with say it saves the girl and has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26   big gun and you know it just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:28   like I don't care man it was awesome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:29   like nobody cares and like that movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   didn't get be the blowback but if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:33   tried to do basically like a movie that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3693">TS</a>]

01:01:35   was like die hard but you had a female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:36   lead that would become the story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:39   that can be good for the studio but can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:41   also be bad and that's why they freaked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   out about somebody the chairman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:44   mentioned salt earlier I mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3704">TS</a>]

01:01:45   actually a movie that's a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:46   like diehard cross with no way out and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:48   that's a angelina jolie and you're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:51   pick your battery type define woman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:54   maybe don't take Anjali Anjali that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:56   almost exactly the right but the case to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:58   make though that the way that movies get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3718">TS</a>]

01:01:59   made it's not about some screenwriter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:02   who has an idea for one would be great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:04   if we had a great have an action movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:06   without great female female hero the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3726">TS</a>]

01:02:08   center center of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:09   it all comes down to the same 20 a list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:13   Drew's mattresses who can open a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   meaning that if their names associated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:17   with the project the money is gonna get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:19   going to materialize they only like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3739">TS</a>]

01:02:21   work with and a short list of a-list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   directors so really comes down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:25   someone like Angelina Jolie saying i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:27   want to make an action movie I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   make a really great possibly franchise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:31   launchings action series with a female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:34   character it happens almost immediately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:36   when again the a-list actress hooks up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3756">TS</a>]

01:02:38   with the a-list director and make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:40   happen unfortunately we get when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:42   don't need when you have a lack of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:45   either one of those things you're trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   to raise a hundred million dollars on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:49   movie that doesn't have a guaranteed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:51   return of investment at the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:54   end of that guarantees of that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:55   non-existent in the movie industry but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:58   in terms of what will attract investment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00   it's really do need those to a list [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:03   names to make it happen so it's I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05   it's less ok so is the audience ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:07   for it as much as it is a case of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:09   rare is it that you get a lot of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:13   actress actually reaches that level in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:16   which they can actually command that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:17   movie be made it happens so rarely and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:20   when that happens i don't i'm not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:21   that most of these actresses are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3801">TS</a>]

01:03:24   interested in making those kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:25   movies will start to turn are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3805">TS</a>]

01:03:27   quickly once we have more angelina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:28   jolie's out there is the Meryl Streep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3808">TS</a>]

01:03:30   action movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:31   I demand it okay well first of all she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:34   really kicked butt on that white water [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:36   rafting movie i met that is that is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:39   indication towards her versatility [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:40   mortal to the market or anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:42   that anything like that but it's still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3822">TS</a>]

01:03:44   data point that like rendered into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:45   Russians could really wield a knife in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:48   julie and julia so you go if you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:51   an onion stay the hell away from Meryl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:53   Streep because you're i'm here to chop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:56   onions and chaos upon you that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3836">TS</a>]

01:04:00   that scene in The Iron Lady where she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:01   threatens to stab ronald reagan so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:05   i don't know the old the lead point that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:09   I wanted the that I want to make on top [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:11   of we're also has been said is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:13   there's also a responsibility to if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3853">TS</a>]

01:04:16   you're going to do with female action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3856">TS</a>]

01:04:18   hero at a female action character like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:21   this you really have to give that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   character the same level of respect that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:26   you would get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:27   move to a male action action hero and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29   this is one that came up were talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:30   about the avengers movie where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:33   reasons why Ellen Ripley is such a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   characters because she is imperfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:38   she's not a super woman she you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:40   you hit her she bleeds and she stumbles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:42   and she gets scared and she there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3882">TS</a>]

01:04:44   way in hell that she's gonna go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:46   that planet and festive aliens cause she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3886">TS</a>]

01:04:48   barely got a lot out why the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:50   Indiana Jones has exactly the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:53   reason the same kind of character the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:55   qualities she did he doesn't go into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:57   situation being the absolute Lord master [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3897">TS</a>]

01:04:59   of all time space knowledge in reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:01   he goes and he makes up the plan as he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:04   goes along he gets punched a lot he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:06   bleeds a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:07   he get comes he comes through in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:08   but not after having proven that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:11   really does have a lot of sangria and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:12   metal about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:13   the problem that I've seen with a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:15   times especially when there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:17   large cast characters is that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:19   the producers the writers are terrified [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:21   of having a fear of being accused of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:24   saying all course of course sick and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   have this kind of female character who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   did it wasn't picking up taking hostages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:30   some Pointer has this has to be helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:32   by somebody well let's have that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:33   that's what proves that a hero is a hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:35   the fact that they are knocked down but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:37   then they get back up again and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   the reason why i didn't like black widow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:40   the avengers because it was exactly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:42   problem where she's never asked there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:45   never a situation which it is not in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47   complete command of the situation she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:48   never gets heard she never knows Jesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:51   do that right a loss for exactly what to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53   do that makes her boring character we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:55   need more Ellen Ripley zup she feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3955">TS</a>]

01:05:56   like a token to me that's my problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:58   with that too it's like well we need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3958">TS</a>]

01:05:59   female character so we'll insert one and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:01   she's not that important but will insert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3961">TS</a>]

01:06:02   it but we're not here to talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:03   avengers 2 good that you're right you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:07   right i could like I conclusively proved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:10   the point about that movie when I spoke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3970">TS</a>]

01:06:11   better with its Abbi this is your fourth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:13   podcast about the event i'll just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3973">TS</a>]

01:06:15   people sad by talking about it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:16   because they don't have to admit how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:18   right I am I was bad girl in the dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:21   knight series by the way John in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:25   hypercritical podcast about pixar more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:27   than are uncomfortable podcast about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:30   you talked about pixar taking risks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:34   where could how could pixar push [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:36   themselves more and the very nice BDSM [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:39   in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:40   room has asked me to ask you does brave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:44   fulfill your wish of pics are pushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:46   itself and taking a big risk with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:49   movie and getting out of its comfort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:50   zone I lesson that episode that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:52   kinds of risks that I was suggesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:55   because I didn't want to give some kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:56   of examples were much more ambitious and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:59   mainly I focus on things like what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:02   pixar at that point pics are done you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:03   know hit movie after movie I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:05   our students even out yet at least I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:06   haven't seen it and they had the string [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4026">TS</a>]

01:07:08   of successes and it was clear what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:09   could do they could make a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:11   family-friendly heartwarming engaging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:15   movie that's appropriate for children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:18   but they're also was entertaining to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:20   adults and they just did that so well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:21   right and not i'm not saying that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23   easier anything but but what I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:25   see them challenge themselves on is ken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:27   pixar move out of that comfort zone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:29   because I felt like there was a risk of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:31   them sort of going into a rut and kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:33   of making the same over and over again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:34   but my suggestion for like make a rated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:36   r movie make a movie with intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:39   photorealistic humans doing things you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:41   see someone doing an HBO show or make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:44   movie with no living things and just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:45   entirely robots early you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47   really like adult entertainment adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:50   only entertainment really pushing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:52   boundaries of what's possible with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:54   animation so I was expecting you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:55   I was suggesting do something super [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:58   ambitious and that was kind of in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4078">TS</a>]

01:07:59   service of that sort of hyperbole was in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:01   the service of the idea that I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:03   challenging pixar to say that you're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:05   big miyazaki fans and Miyazaki's had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:07   some stinkers and some weird movies but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4087">TS</a>]

01:08:09   I think Miyazaki's highs are greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:11   than pixar size because pixar was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:13   of falling into a comfort zone and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:16   didn't seem well it was a picture would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:18   make great movies but was never going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4098">TS</a>]

01:08:20   make a transcendent movie unless it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:22   willing to make stickers and so I wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:23   to see it take risks and fail and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:26   when they make cars 2 and people didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:27   like people so is that what you wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4107">TS</a>]

01:08:29   not really because cars to didn't fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:31   because it was such a radical risk cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:32   to was right down the middle and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:34   wasn't a bad movie just wasn't as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:36   amazing as the other ones but it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:37   fail because they took a crazy risk cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:39   2 is not any movie with the two and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:41   title is not a crazy risk right so brave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:45   is moving in the right direction because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:47   if they're gonna get them out of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:48   comfort zone clearly the comfort zone is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:50   because his movies with male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:51   protagonists right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:52   I guess Wally's a male and as far as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4132">TS</a>]

01:08:56   robots can be anyway and so this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:59   moving in the right direction but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:01   still very far from let's take a crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:04   risk let's make movies for it maybe it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:05   maybe something I never want to do maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:06   that's not the company they are i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4146">TS</a>]

01:09:08   saying you have to make rated R movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:10   are your failure or something like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4150">TS</a>]

01:09:11   it's just like I want biggest miyazaki [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:14   doesn't make you know where many movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16   for Delta grave of the fireflies which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:17   is now involved in is arguably only in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:21   tulsa movie really but you know baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:25   steps you're brave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:26   let's take them out of the comfort zone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:27   a little bit challenged them to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29   something they haven't done before and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:31   make a different kind of movie and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:33   think in my thinking back on pixar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4173">TS</a>]

01:09:35   movies brave stands apart and not not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:38   because of the female protagonist which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:39   is it just feels different to me then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:42   there are other movies is it feel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:43   way to you it feels not like less of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:45   kids movie but it feels different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:47   like in my mind the shape of it and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:49   nothing to do with the lead just the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4189">TS</a>]

01:09:51   shape of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:52   well it is a fairy tale in the true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:54   sense of the word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4194">TS</a>]

01:09:55   yeah we're not gonna rely on fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4195">TS</a>]

01:09:58   scenes and incredible special effects it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4198">TS</a>]

01:10:00   really is going to be about these very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:03   very real human characters even when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4203">TS</a>]

01:10:05   humans are not looking very human during [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:07   the third movie and there's those those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4207">TS</a>]

01:10:09   magical elements are there but it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:10   the weird that they're there so tamped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:12   down like they felt the need to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:14   animal transformation which some nights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:17   and castles and stuff it is an animated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:20   movie and I I really do believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:22   every hand in that picture went up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4222">TS</a>]

01:10:24   say can we do what would she like to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:27   she gets her head stuck in a jar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4227">TS</a>]

01:10:29   then she has to pull the jar off and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4229">TS</a>]

01:10:31   then she gets the jar off her head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:32   there's like lemons all over her face at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4232">TS</a>]

01:10:35   the time i'm sure that the as much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:38   much as I said that maybe just maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4238">TS</a>]

01:10:39   they could have done a different version [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4239">TS</a>]

01:10:41   of this in which the between just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4241">TS</a>]

01:10:42   eat some bad dates or something you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:44   it's much funnier to have returned much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:46   more funny much more visual to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4246">TS</a>]

01:10:48   turned into a giant pair i also wonder [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:50   if the I mean some of this is pics are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4250">TS</a>]

01:10:53   pushing itself and some of this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4253">TS</a>]

01:10:55   state of of the animation and computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4255">TS</a>]

01:10:58   animation being what it is now that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4258">TS</a>]

01:11:02   know then it used to be the pixar was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:03   way out ahead of everybody and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4263">TS</a>]

01:11:06   not saying that you know the disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4266">TS</a>]

01:11:08   internal animation studio or DreamWorks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:10   or anybody else out there has surpassed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:12   them not even close but I feel like it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:16   more of a it's more of a they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4276">TS</a>]

01:11:19   established this field and it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4279">TS</a>]

01:11:20   established and there are lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4280">TS</a>]

01:11:21   competitors out there working at a much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4281">TS</a>]

01:11:24   higher levels than they used to and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:27   wonder if that pushes picture to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4287">TS</a>]

01:11:29   differentiate themselves a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:32   more because they've kind of written a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:34   playbook already and everybody else is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:35   using it and they need to do some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4295">TS</a>]

01:11:37   different things to be different i also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4297">TS</a>]

01:11:39   wonder if it changed my expectations of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41   their movies because they're no longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:43   the only ones out there operating on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:45   this level and it's them or nothing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:47   there's other the competition is greater [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:49   i guess and i wonder what that does to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4309">TS</a>]

01:11:51   their to their creative process I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4311">TS</a>]

01:11:54   actually developed a pretty good respect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:56   for some dreamworks movies at the shrek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4316">TS</a>]

01:11:59   movies are pretty much okay given [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4319">TS</a>]

01:12:00   community that's that's exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4320">TS</a>]

01:12:02   everybody well said but it's my legacy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4322">TS</a>]

01:12:05   yeah but you know I i have HBO and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4325">TS</a>]

01:12:09   so that's how i got that's how IC just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4329">TS</a>]

01:12:11   saw despicable me for the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:12   could actually very that's a very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4332">TS</a>]

01:12:14   news is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4334">TS</a>]

01:12:15   how to train your dragon also very good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4335">TS</a>]

01:12:17   moving mine and I'm gonna rant about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:19   megamind it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4339">TS</a>]

01:12:20   yep i love these little movies I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4340">TS</a>]

01:12:23   and I think one of the reasons why movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4343">TS</a>]

01:12:25   especially like this pickle may work so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4345">TS</a>]

01:12:27   well is that it's distinguished from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4347">TS</a>]

01:12:29   Pixar movie you through you feel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4349">TS</a>]

01:12:32   Pixar movies are great because they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:34   think about every single element and how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4354">TS</a>]

01:12:37   it locks into everything else and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:39   just hammer at that script in that story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4359">TS</a>]

01:12:42   until beat for beat for beat there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4362">TS</a>]

01:12:44   with rare exceptions not a single wasted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4364">TS</a>]

01:12:47   moment not a single wasted page in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:49   screenplay but you do see like how badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4369">TS</a>]

01:12:53   did you do see how much work went into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4373">TS</a>]

01:12:55   it with a movie like despicable me feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4375">TS</a>]

01:12:57   as though they get it they give they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4377">TS</a>]

01:12:59   found the studio in in France they said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   here's the DreamWorks logo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   here's a hundred thirty million dollars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:04   come back with a movie into here's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4384">TS</a>]

01:13:06   property come back to the movie and six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4386">TS</a>]

01:13:07   months because the minions are equal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:10   just as funny as the funniest thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4390">TS</a>]

01:13:11   that's ever been in a Pixar movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4391">TS</a>]

01:13:13   yeah no other there the equivalent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:15   the little aliens and toy story the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4395">TS</a>]

01:13:17   upcoming movie wreck-it Ralph I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4397">TS</a>]

01:13:19   that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:19   from disney proper not be as our that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:22   that looks like something my tactic my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4402">TS</a>]

01:13:24   expect pics started it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4404">TS</a>]

01:13:26   behind-the-scenes video games feels like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4406">TS</a>]

01:13:28   a movie that escaped from Pixar and went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4408">TS</a>]

01:13:30   to decide I I don't know because I see I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4410">TS</a>]

01:13:33   I worry from the trip was just from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4413">TS</a>]

01:13:35   trailer that so much of this is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4415">TS</a>]

01:13:39   people and they're likely twenties early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4419">TS</a>]

01:13:42   thirties and forties like whoa Qbert we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4422">TS</a>]

01:13:45   can have Cuban ok there's a great scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4425">TS</a>]

01:13:46   zaxxon I will fight to the death to put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4426">TS</a>]

01:13:49   Zacks on this team and it I I just what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4429">TS</a>]

01:13:53   I i really want to see it like opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4433">TS</a>]

01:13:54   week just to hear like the noisiest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4434">TS</a>]

01:13:56   theater ever of like all these like 30 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4436">TS</a>]

01:13:59   and four-year-olds that cooks other kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4439">TS</a>]

01:14:01   ok the first of all the reason why he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4441">TS</a>]

01:14:02   holding that cherry use game called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4442">TS</a>]

01:14:05   pacman my I guess I'm not pacman but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4445">TS</a>]

01:14:08   they don't get the q / thing and all and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4448">TS</a>]

01:14:10   that makes me wonder I with you I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4450">TS</a>]

01:14:12   wonder if it's gonna be like ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4452">TS</a>]

01:14:13   player one and be yeah I just horribly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4453">TS</a>]

01:14:16   pandering to people like me but again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4456">TS</a>]

01:14:18   I don't mind being pandered to every now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4458">TS</a>]

01:14:21   and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4461">TS</a>]

01:14:22   well the question is whether or not they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4462">TS</a>]

01:14:23   can still tell the story while working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4463">TS</a>]

01:14:25   in all these references like if you come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4465">TS</a>]

01:14:27   to it as a seven or eight year old kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4467">TS</a>]

01:14:29   which they are presumably expecting kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4469">TS</a>]

01:14:31   to do will you be able to understand it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4471">TS</a>]

01:14:34   right I'll let my kids thought the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4474">TS</a>]

01:14:36   trailer was cool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4476">TS</a>]

01:14:37   they thought it looked cool they thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4477">TS</a>]

01:14:39   it was funny that they know that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4479">TS</a>]

01:14:40   are different kinds of video games even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4480">TS</a>]

01:14:42   if they don't know a lot of the details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4482">TS</a>]

01:14:43   that truth in the fact that you've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4483">TS</a>]

01:14:45   your that mean they have a wii and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4485">TS</a>]

01:14:47   have and they have a an iphone and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4487">TS</a>]

01:14:49   you're an ipod touch and ipad and and if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4489">TS</a>]

01:14:52   they've seen these different games in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4492">TS</a>]

01:14:53   these different levels you know of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4493">TS</a>]

01:14:55   quality and so they kind of get like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4495">TS</a>]

01:14:57   that's like a fighting game and now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4497">TS</a>]

01:14:59   know this is this is like a mario game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4499">TS</a>]

01:15:01   and no there's a pacman thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4501">TS</a>]

01:15:03   they've actually you know so it may work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4503">TS</a>]

01:15:05   on on that level 2 but it does it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4505">TS</a>]

01:15:08   say that vibe but the kind of pics are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4508">TS</a>]

01:15:10   but we're going to take all this stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4510">TS</a>]

01:15:11   and I'm looking forward to that movie a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4511">TS</a>]

01:15:14   lot i'm very excited about that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4514">TS</a>]

01:15:16   let's think of it this way in terms of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4516">TS</a>]

01:15:17   pandering and like that the fear because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4517">TS</a>]

01:15:19   we've always seen the trailer right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4519">TS</a>]

01:15:21   we don't know it's gonna be like toy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4521">TS</a>]

01:15:23   story was a hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4523">TS</a>]

01:15:25   hey kids of baby boomers or similar age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4525">TS</a>]

01:15:28   or baby will result remember the toys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4528">TS</a>]

01:15:30   that you play with the kids remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4530">TS</a>]

01:15:32   army men remember like never like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4532">TS</a>]

01:15:34   they're always exactly it was and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4534">TS</a>]

01:15:36   could say all that toy story movies just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4536">TS</a>]

01:15:38   going to be at first of all blatant a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4538">TS</a>]

01:15:40   play to try to sell toys in the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4540">TS</a>]

01:15:43   store which it did tons of and second of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4543">TS</a>]

01:15:45   all it's just gonna be a bunch of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4545">TS</a>]

01:15:47   going i had the barrel of monkeys oh and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4547">TS</a>]

01:15:49   just get show you know I but on top of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4549">TS</a>]

01:15:52   that toy store was also a good movie so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4552">TS</a>]

01:15:54   I run record Ralph like we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4554">TS</a>]

01:15:56   prototype for a movie that just totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4556">TS</a>]

01:15:58   appears to be pandering and pop-culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4558">TS</a>]

01:16:00   references and it can also be a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4560">TS</a>]

01:16:01   movie so I think that's what we're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4561">TS</a>]

01:16:02   hoping for wreck-it Ralph but from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4562">TS</a>]

01:16:04   trailer is just too hard to tell and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4564">TS</a>]

01:16:06   don't i don't have any I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4566">TS</a>]

01:16:08   who's on that project and all I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4568">TS</a>]

01:16:09   it's like it's disney animation i could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4569">TS</a>]

01:16:11   tangled was tangled dreams works for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4571">TS</a>]

01:16:13   disney animation was that list is nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4573">TS</a>]

01:16:16   to have this yes i love this some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4576">TS</a>]

01:16:18   predatory 44 like what what does disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4578">TS</a>]

01:16:21   do outside of pixar with computer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4581">TS</a>]

01:16:23   animation i think how to train your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4583">TS</a>]

01:16:24   dragon is the best my understanding is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4584">TS</a>]

01:16:26   the disney animation now is essentially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4586">TS</a>]

01:16:28   pixar 2 which is not to say that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4588">TS</a>]

01:16:31   duplicated the culture but that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4591">TS</a>]

01:16:32   like they that Lassiter and cattle have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4592">TS</a>]

01:16:36   kind of put in place the same structures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4596">TS</a>]

01:16:38   of like creative structures and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4598">TS</a>]

01:16:40   processes that they did at Pixar accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4600">TS</a>]

01:16:42   this is in la at Disney and they're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4602">TS</a>]

01:16:44   and the rule i saw some interview with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4604">TS</a>]

01:16:46   them where they said the one rule is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4606">TS</a>]

01:16:47   that the people on the in one place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4607">TS</a>]

01:16:50   don't get to go help the people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4610">TS</a>]

01:16:51   other and rescue them that they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4611">TS</a>]

01:16:53   fix it themselves and but otherwise I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4613">TS</a>]

01:16:55   get the sense that they really kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4615">TS</a>]

01:16:56   said Pixar is a bottle that makes movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4616">TS</a>]

01:16:58   up here and we made a new you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4618">TS</a>]

01:17:00   bottle in LA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4620">TS</a>]

01:17:02   that makes movies and you know so that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4622">TS</a>]

01:17:04   the test right is kinda pixar process [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4624">TS</a>]

01:17:06   just be replicated in another place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4626">TS</a>]

01:17:09   work and you know maybe so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4629">TS</a>]

01:17:11   yea trained how to train your dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4631">TS</a>]

01:17:13   dreamworks right yeah is that that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4633">TS</a>]

01:17:17   impressed me the most out of a group of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4637">TS</a>]

01:17:18   trying someone trying to do pics are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4638">TS</a>]

01:17:20   because like it hydrating dragon-like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4640">TS</a>]

01:17:22   pixar did it it would the animation will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4642">TS</a>]

01:17:25   be a little bit better the art would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4645">TS</a>]

01:17:26   a little bit better but the story was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4646">TS</a>]

01:17:29   pretty darn solid and the movie over all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4649">TS</a>]

01:17:31   worked very well I thought so that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4651">TS</a>]

01:17:33   impressed me and I think it was creative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4653">TS</a>]

01:17:35   creative in terms of the story and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4655">TS</a>]

01:17:38   design of the characters in the dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4658">TS</a>]

01:17:41   and everything so that the the chris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4661">TS</a>]

01:17:44   sanders [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4664">TS</a>]

01:17:45   Sandler's Sanders what the designers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4665">TS</a>]

01:17:48   directors in that movie was a director [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4668">TS</a>]

01:17:50   lilo and stitch which i think is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4670">TS</a>]

01:17:52   the best disney animated movies in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4672">TS</a>]

01:17:54   past 40 years i right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4674">TS</a>]

01:17:56   traditionally animated last exactly that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4676">TS</a>]

01:18:01   I was just a point that we didn't see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4681">TS</a>]

01:18:03   follow-ups like that because I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4683">TS</a>]

01:18:05   that lilo and Stitch came out like after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4685">TS</a>]

01:18:07   the pixar revolution and I thought this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4687">TS</a>]

01:18:09   was a good indication that yeah I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4689">TS</a>]

01:18:11   imagine that I can't imagine that story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4691">TS</a>]

01:18:14   being told better in computer-generated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4694">TS</a>]

01:18:17   imagery than in hand drawn animation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4697">TS</a>]

01:18:18   enforces so well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4698">TS</a>]

01:18:20   lilo and Stitch followed by think home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4700">TS</a>]

01:18:23   on the range was the last of the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4703">TS</a>]

01:18:26   guard disney animation and after that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4706">TS</a>]

01:18:28   they threw out all of the traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4708">TS</a>]

01:18:30   animation desks and they shut down that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4710">TS</a>]

01:18:32   division for two or three years until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4712">TS</a>]

01:18:35   last year possible merger and last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4715">TS</a>]

01:18:38   michael wiseman against us before oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4718">TS</a>]

01:18:40   yeah we don't talk about my class but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4720">TS</a>]

01:18:44   yeah I mean last has been trying to do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4724">TS</a>]

01:18:47   lot of good there and I mean tangled was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4727">TS</a>]

01:18:51   supposed to be 2d animation i forget why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4731">TS</a>]

01:18:53   they ended up changing it to 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4733">TS</a>]

01:18:56   animation but there are definitely still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4736">TS</a>]

01:18:58   2d projects being down there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4738">TS</a>]

01:19:00   yeah with what one more topic i really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4740">TS</a>]

01:19:04   want to throw out for four panel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4744">TS</a>]

01:19:06   discussion because though one disconnect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4746">TS</a>]

01:19:08   I've had with brave at all and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4748">TS</a>]

01:19:11   really going to the going to the corners [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4751">TS</a>]

01:19:13   of the barrel look for something that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4753">TS</a>]

01:19:14   don't that I have a problem with is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4754">TS</a>]

01:19:16   now of course being a Disney property [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4756">TS</a>]

01:19:18   they have 21 / in with like the disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4758">TS</a>]

01:19:21   princesses ice show and the Disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4761">TS</a>]

01:19:23   Princesses you know collection of soaps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4763">TS</a>]

01:19:25   and and Ben Ben makeup mirrors and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4765">TS</a>]

01:19:27   whatever they weren't they say so and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4767">TS</a>]

01:19:29   can't think of any situation which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4769">TS</a>]

01:19:32   Meredith would hang out with any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4772">TS</a>]

01:19:34   these ladies i do i just see her legs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4774">TS</a>]

01:19:37   just one empty the the tea party with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4777">TS</a>]

01:19:40   one empty chair always like where's Mara [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4780">TS</a>]

01:19:42   oh she's out of the woods again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4782">TS</a>]

01:19:44   well well no the entrances Harriet so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4784">TS</a>]

01:19:46   why would they have that one there one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4786">TS</a>]

01:19:48   single friend of Mary we gotta find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4788">TS</a>]

01:19:50   somebody for your world was 14 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4790">TS</a>]

01:19:52   that's part of it but yeah little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4792">TS</a>]

01:19:55   young no I'm I again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4795">TS</a>]

01:19:58   disagree with the all the disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4798">TS</a>]

01:20:01   princesses are you know airheads who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4801">TS</a>]

01:20:04   only want to get married but no but no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4804">TS</a>]

01:20:07   but that's the culmination of their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4807">TS</a>]

01:20:09   story arcs this time sometimes not at it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4809">TS</a>]

01:20:12   that way but as as somebody who grew up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4812">TS</a>]

01:20:14   in the disney princess Sarah very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4814">TS</a>]

01:20:16   so and who like played the you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4816">TS</a>]

01:20:20   played out the disney princess thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4820">TS</a>]

01:20:22   know I mean my sister and I worked very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4822">TS</a>]

01:20:26   hard to be like yeah like Jasmine from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4826">TS</a>]

01:20:29   Aladdin well she decides to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4829">TS</a>]

01:20:31   undercover and she did you know goes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4831">TS</a>]

01:20:33   runs around Agrabah I you know like she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4833">TS</a>]

01:20:35   puts on GI Joe's outfit but that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4835">TS</a>]

01:20:38   the second wave of Disney Princesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4838">TS</a>]

01:20:40   though that that's no doubt that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4840">TS</a>]

01:20:42   modern conveniences wearing these waves [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4842">TS</a>]

01:20:44   where they were where they did try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4844">TS</a>]

01:20:46   give them all i remember when Beauty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4846">TS</a>]

01:20:48   the Beast came out and it was like she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4848">TS</a>]

01:20:50   likes to read that was sit that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4850">TS</a>]

01:20:52   thing so radically likes to read your 3d [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4852">TS</a>]

01:20:55   she looked out her nose at all that good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4855">TS</a>]

01:20:58   are good hard-working farm people who do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4858">TS</a>]

01:21:00   nothing but greater cheerily throughout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4860">TS</a>]

01:21:02   the day isn't that Jeremy well no but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4862">TS</a>]

01:21:04   that but they didn't in there's the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4864">TS</a>]

01:21:06   guy was Gaston right he's he's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4866">TS</a>]

01:21:09   strapping young prince type figure and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4869">TS</a>]

01:21:12   never all the girls love him and all but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4872">TS</a>]

01:21:14   not bail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4874">TS</a>]

01:21:15   she knows that he's shallow jerk right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4875">TS</a>]

01:21:18   mean this was this was building the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4878">TS</a>]

01:21:20   pieces of the story I mean like when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4880">TS</a>]

01:21:22   was playing as a kid she was playing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4882">TS</a>]

01:21:23   aspects of the characters that appealed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4883">TS</a>]

01:21:25   to her but it doesn't feel like I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4885">TS</a>]

01:21:26   saying you can't enjoy the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4886">TS</a>]

01:21:28   but doesn't change that in the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4888">TS</a>]

01:21:29   movies these characters appeared in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4889">TS</a>]

01:21:31   their story arcs culminated in the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4891">TS</a>]

01:21:33   know marriage at the end of a romance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4893">TS</a>]

01:21:35   that the love stories a big part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4895">TS</a>]

01:21:37   movie and just like the sameness of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4897">TS</a>]

01:21:39   every movie did they have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4899">TS</a>]

01:21:41   princesses they have to get rid of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4901">TS</a>]

01:21:43   you have a Jonas well yeah they shove in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4903">TS</a>]

01:21:47   love stories in a lot of places where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4907">TS</a>]

01:21:49   there shouldn't be love stories but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4909">TS</a>]

01:21:51   mean Beauty and the Beast is a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4911">TS</a>]

01:21:52   film and i would argue you know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4912">TS</a>]

01:21:55   doesn't diminish bells character that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4915">TS</a>]

01:21:57   she gets married to the beast at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4917">TS</a>]

01:21:58   of the film she's still a very strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4918">TS</a>]

01:22:00   world character I'm not I'm not hooking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4920">TS</a>]

01:22:02   on that it's just that internet and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4922">TS</a>]

01:22:05   is gonna sound like I'm being sarcastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4925">TS</a>]

01:22:07   but i really do mean this like sincerely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4927">TS</a>]

01:22:09   I'm not casting aspersions against like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4929">TS</a>]

01:22:12   and spells character personally it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4932">TS</a>]

01:22:14   just that I at that era I don't think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4934">TS</a>]

01:22:17   occurred to the screenwriters to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4937">TS</a>]

01:22:19   her as a fully fleshed-out character the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4939">TS</a>]

01:22:21   way that in 2010 it would have occurred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4941">TS</a>]

01:22:23   to fix our writers to let's make sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4943">TS</a>]

01:22:25   that Meredy really has depth and feeling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4945">TS</a>]

01:22:28   and meaning behind her and so that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4948">TS</a>]

01:22:31   reason why it's hard for me to it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4951">TS</a>]

01:22:33   for me to see her as being cut from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4953">TS</a>]

01:22:36   same cloth as previous Disney Princesses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4956">TS</a>]

01:22:38   not that not that there's anything wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4958">TS</a>]

01:22:40   with the with with Belle marrying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4960">TS</a>]

01:22:42   the prince at the end just that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4962">TS</a>]

01:22:45   never seen you know anything about her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4965">TS</a>]

01:22:47   except where she likes she likes to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4967">TS</a>]

01:22:48   and she's fond of her dad and then to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4968">TS</a>]

01:22:50   save my dad's life she agrees to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4970">TS</a>]

01:22:52   prisoner and then she sort of is pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4972">TS</a>]

01:22:55   along for the rest of the story is not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4975">TS</a>]

01:22:57   very active character I entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4977">TS</a>]

01:22:59   disagree about that i mean it's it's her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4979">TS</a>]

01:23:03   it's it's not about like the ACT again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4983">TS</a>]

01:23:06   it's not about the little tiny you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4986">TS</a>]

01:23:08   she likes to read it's the fact that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4988">TS</a>]

01:23:10   is a she presents sort of strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4990">TS</a>]

01:23:13   opinions and she she forces the Beast to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4993">TS</a>]

01:23:16   become a better person you know she I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4996">TS</a>]

01:23:19   mean she is the driving force she's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/4999">TS</a>]

01:23:21   getting dragged along at all shes she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5001">TS</a>]

01:23:23   the person acting change throughout the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5003">TS</a>]

01:23:25   entire the entirety of the movie and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5005">TS</a>]

01:23:27   she's the one who you know inadvertently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5007">TS</a>]

01:23:30   starts arrayed but then tries to stop it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5010">TS</a>]

01:23:33   at the end like she's not a damsel in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5013">TS</a>]

01:23:36   distress and oh I'm being locked up in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5016">TS</a>]

01:23:38   this this tower guess I'll you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5018">TS</a>]

01:23:41   not just be our guest right i think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5021">TS</a>]

01:23:43   also important to point out that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5023">TS</a>]

01:23:46   think anyone's arguing that there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5026">TS</a>]

01:23:48   shouldn't be any romance or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5028">TS</a>]

01:23:50   love interest in disney movies because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5030">TS</a>]

01:23:52   for some it's the story right i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5032">TS</a>]

01:23:54   beauty and the beast without a love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5034">TS</a>]

01:23:56   interest in a story of romance there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5036">TS</a>]

01:23:58   no story at all right I i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5038">TS</a>]

01:24:00   argument would be that they've done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5040">TS</a>]

01:24:01   everything they can to make bail more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5041">TS</a>]

01:24:03   interesting character within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5043">TS</a>]

01:24:04   framework of a traditional fairy tale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5044">TS</a>]

01:24:06   where she falls in love right the prince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5046">TS</a>]

01:24:08   at the end right it but not break the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5048">TS</a>]

01:24:11   form just make her as as kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5051">TS</a>]

01:24:14   contrary to type within the form i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5054">TS</a>]

01:24:17   the criticism that John is making that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5057">TS</a>]

01:24:20   can agree with is that too often in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5060">TS</a>]

01:24:22   other movies where that isn't the key [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5062">TS</a>]

01:24:25   storyline where the the traditional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5065">TS</a>]

01:24:28   fairy tale or or romance story is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5068">TS</a>]

01:24:32   what the movies about that they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5072">TS</a>]

01:24:34   stick it on at the end and we're even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5074">TS</a>]

01:24:37   when you know you've got a strong female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5077">TS</a>]

01:24:40   character at the very end the very last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5080">TS</a>]

01:24:42   scene is oh I found a man and i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5082">TS</a>]

01:24:47   that's that's an issue i've always had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5087">TS</a>]

01:24:48   words with a lot of disney movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5088">TS</a>]

01:24:50   oh yeah that that part definitely rubs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5090">TS</a>]

01:24:53   me the wrong way and they're plenty of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5093">TS</a>]

01:24:56   movies do it that way but rent a trip to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5096">TS</a>]

01:24:59   your point of the the era of Disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5099">TS</a>]

01:25:00   Princesses that you're defending that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5100">TS</a>]

01:25:02   was when that was the change when that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5102">TS</a>]

01:25:05   was the second wave of movies that were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5105">TS</a>]

01:25:06   successful after the classic Walt Disney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5106">TS</a>]

01:25:09   movies and there was a rethinking of how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5109">TS</a>]

01:25:10   the princess's behave to make them more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5110">TS</a>]

01:25:13   their own characters in a way and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5113">TS</a>]

01:25:14   active than perhaps some of the classic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5114">TS</a>]

01:25:17   ones were and so you know but with while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5117">TS</a>]

01:25:19   not changing the kind of classic story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5119">TS</a>]

01:25:21   arc of these characters so it was a step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5121">TS</a>]

01:25:24   right and then what we're seeing now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5124">TS</a>]

01:25:26   with a movie like brave is that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5126">TS</a>]

01:25:28   sort of the next step which is to break [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5128">TS</a>]

01:25:29   the breaker story arc to not just make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5129">TS</a>]

01:25:32   her a fully more fully realized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5132">TS</a>]

01:25:34   character but but changed her to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5134">TS</a>]

01:25:37   destiny OC now we're getting to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5137">TS</a>]

01:25:38   voice-over at the end of the movie is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5138">TS</a>]

01:25:40   all about changing your destiny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5140">TS</a>]

01:25:42   that's what you i think the word listen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5142">TS</a>]

01:25:44   change your fate you can change your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5144">TS</a>]

01:25:46   teammate Amanda change your fate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5146">TS</a>]

01:25:48   Meredith alright so we have spent a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5148">TS</a>]

01:25:51   of time talking about this and it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5151">TS</a>]

01:25:52   great but uh that the clock on the wall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5152">TS</a>]

01:25:55   I have no clock on the wall the pretend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5155">TS</a>]

01:25:58   clock on the wall says it's time to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5158">TS</a>]

01:25:59   so this has been great i want to thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5159">TS</a>]

01:26:02   my guests for for coming tonight a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5162">TS</a>]

01:26:04   panel dan Frakes thanks for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5164">TS</a>]

01:26:07   thanks for having me and I coat thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5167">TS</a>]

01:26:10   you very much for attending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5170">TS</a>]

01:26:12   it's been a slice John siracusa thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5172">TS</a>]

01:26:16   you very much any chance to discuss me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5176">TS</a>]

01:26:19   as i am there and picks are really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5179">TS</a>]

01:26:21   yep yeah yeah we got to do more of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5181">TS</a>]

01:26:23   I I started to realize that that we made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5183">TS</a>]

01:26:26   a terrible mistake and covering trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5186">TS</a>]

01:26:28   to cover all of miyazaki in two episodes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5188">TS</a>]

01:26:30   instead of just taking the film's one by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5190">TS</a>]

01:26:32   one we go back right wing go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5192">TS</a>]

01:26:35   make a lead us to go back we have to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5195">TS</a>]

01:26:37   back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5197">TS</a>]

01:26:38   labor day weekend miyazaki marathon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5198">TS</a>]

01:26:40   serenity called well thank you for being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5200">TS</a>]

01:26:43   here in and giving us a perspective that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5203">TS</a>]

01:26:45   the men in the room with black about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5205">TS</a>]

01:26:48   this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5208">TS</a>]

01:26:49   you're welcome Jason I am happy to tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5209">TS</a>]

01:26:52   stories about my nine-year-old playtime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5212">TS</a>]

01:26:54   any day in the princess Indiana Jones [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5214">TS</a>]

01:26:56   it's gonna be a thing only that but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5216">TS</a>]

01:26:59   a sleep Skywalker you just blew my mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5219">TS</a>]

01:27:01   or in a far-out alright until next time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5221">TS</a>]

01:27:07   on the uncomfortable thanks everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5227">TS</a>]

01:27:09   for listening this is jason still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5229">TS</a>]

01:27:10   signing off thanks again goodnight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5230">TS</a>]

01:27:16   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5236">TS</a>]

01:27:25   so it's pronounced Meredy as far as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5245">TS</a>]

01:27:27   can tell the protagonist in brave but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5247">TS</a>]

01:27:30   then again you pronounce Mario Mario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5250">TS</a>]

01:27:32   right so something like that keep trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5252">TS</a>]

01:27:35   you get it Mary oh mary oh yeah but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5255">TS</a>]

01:27:40   like my um yeah my uh my mother-in-law [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5260">TS</a>]

01:27:44   and father-in-law both from New York and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5264">TS</a>]

01:27:46   and they pronounce what what why what is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5266">TS</a>]

01:27:50   your problem when they talk to you it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5270">TS</a>]

01:27:52   what we go to Florida what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5272">TS</a>]

01:27:54   pronounced Jason dough head for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5274">TS</a>]

01:27:56   reason you see is the Adirondack bird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5276">TS</a>]

01:27:59   that goes on with that makes it somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5279">TS</a>]

01:28:00   go ahead its peculiar really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMadRjMo/5280">TS</a>]