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00:00:00 ◼   ► where's the Meryl Streep action movie I [TS]

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00:00:04 ◼   ► the Contras below podcast 102 artists [TS]

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00:00:13 ◼   ► welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► uncomfortable podcast I'm your host [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► Jason snail and on this episode of the [TS]

00:00:19 ◼   ► uncomfortable we're going to be talking [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► about the latest Pixar movie brave which [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► came out a few weeks ago maybe more than [TS]

00:00:28 ◼   ► a month ago and we're gonna follow that [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► path and probably talk about female [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► protagonist in other animated movies and [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► maybe even beyond joining me to talk [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► about this subject tonight are for [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► esteemed panelists first up serenity [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► Caldwell hi thanks for being here [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► hello thanks for inviting me Jason [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► yeah I more than happy and also i was [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► happy that you could provide some female [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► representation on this episode since [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► Lisa couldn't make it and all the rest [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► of them are dudes so that yeah yeah so [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► here's a guy who I haven't checked with [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► the Olympic officials who are in charge [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► of gender testing but i'm pretty sure is [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► male and Cal hi welcome alteration we [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► haven't discussed it before but we don't [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► know how to pull out children names of [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► these characters last we talked about it [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► in distraction sir actually least until [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► like a tired of it I'm going to be [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► talking electronic collar Atlantis [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► entire podcast [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► alright I don't I this [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► ok i'm sick of it I'm really sorry David [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► Morgan isn't here since he does by far [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► the best terrible Sean Connery [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► impression that I've heard [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► also joining us today his accent [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► indeterminate is Dan Frakes hi Dan [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► hey Jason it's good to have you back [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► thank you also a male by the way if [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► you're wondering [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► otherwise you'd be Danielle will be [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► different and John siracusa is here [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► because this is about pixar and where [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► when we cover pixar John siracusa is [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► always here [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► hi John Jason I come by my accent [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► honestly it's it's straight from Long [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► Island [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► you got it yeah so we have talked about [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► pixar before i should say that up at the [TS]

00:02:09 ◼   ► beginning and if you would like to hear [TS]

00:02:11 ◼   ► us talk about all the many other pixar [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► movies that were made before brave and [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► cars to you know I still haven't seen [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► courage to me neither [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► no I which I have finally seen it i've [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► not seen cars number one I just did by [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► promise i seen car 54 where are you know [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► i have seen that here in the sons of [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► talking cars and it's see it's i don't [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► i'm an amount insisting i'm right here [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► it's just that I see the trailers it [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► wasn't that funny it's like wait a [TS]

00:02:40 ◼   ► minute if why are there seats if there's [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► a play this is a planet in which humans [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► have never existed [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► one of the cars have seats don't [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► overthink it and II exactly see this [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► again but this time it's just I'm not [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► assisting them right in saying that it [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► was not a strong enough concept to get [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► me to cauterize that neuron that was [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► asking these questions understand why [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► their seat [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► it's not their cars makes a whole lot [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► more sense if you think about it [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► entirely as a story within the Toy Story [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► universe wherein someone is playing out [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► the cars story on a place at somewhere i [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► like that that's brilliant that's very [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► good i'm going to use that alright [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► that's good now you can watch it with [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► that framework in mind anyway if you [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► would like to hear us talk about pixar [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► incomparable episode 49 it's like [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► working roll with monsters and fifty we [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► apologize for the extinction of the [TS]

00:03:28 ◼   ► clownfish that will give you an hour and [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► 15 minutes of me john siracusa and Steve [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► let's walking through our favorite [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► moments in the pixar cannon so check [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► that out if you haven't already but uh [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► but here we're going to be talking about [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► brave which is new and i speaking of [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► course to I went into brave with [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► diminished expectations i have to say as [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► somebody who has loved pixar movies [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► since toy story and owns all up two cars [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► and not including cars 2 on DVD and love [TS]

00:03:59 ◼   ► Pixar movies before I had kids and of [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► course now my kids have loved watching [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► those movies too [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► i I don't know maybe it was that I had [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► skipped cars 2 and and was just kind of [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► down on on the direction of where [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► picture was going or what but I i had [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► very low expectations going in to brave [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► low to no expectations I i really didn't [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► I wasn't as enthusiastic about it i want [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► with the whole family which was great [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► but I I was not sort of dragging them [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► they're like I might to some other movie [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► that i really want to see and you know [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► so i don't know i don't want to give up [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► we should say the spoiler for the movie [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► we're going to talk about moving spoil [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► it so if you don't want to know what [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► happens in the movie [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► don't listen but I liked it [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► i'll give you that spoiler I I came out [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► of it saying I liked it way more than I [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► had ever expected to and I I can't [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► decide how much of that is just my [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► diminished expectations versus how much [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► how much I i liked it and we've talked [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► about in previous podcast and I do [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► believe sometimes it's all about your [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► expectations and whether they were met [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► or exceeded or not that influences your [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► emotions when you're watching a movie [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► and when it's over [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► so how did everybody else feel about [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► about brave let's talk about the the [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► film as a whole [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► first off John you want to start yeah i [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► actually went home with very high [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► expectations I i finally did get around [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► to see them cars 2 and it wasn't the [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► disaster everyone said it was but it [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► certainly yeah like I can understand why [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► people were doing it my expectations for [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► cars to archive of expectations for [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► brave very high and a lot of it gets [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► back to the previous podcast we're [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► talking about a female protagonist pics [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► are on my other broadcast talked about [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► how that's that pic that picture was [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► challenging itself right one example [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► that might be though you know why I'm [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► they had a female protagonist maybe it's [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► hard to do those kinds of stories so [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► when I saw they were making a movie with [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► a female protagonist that got that got [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► my hopes up that they were gonna go in a [TS]

00:05:58 ◼   ► different direction than the other [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► movies they've done so because the other [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► movies like don't fit into that there [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► was a certain formula for our kind of [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► male centered male-oriented movie that [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► they've made so far they've done [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► excellent and that great great movies [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► but this is this necessarily had to be [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► something different and it could have [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► been different in a terrible way [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► different a good way black citations [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► were very very high mostly because i [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► stayed almost entirely spoiler freeze [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► all I knew about it like any more notch [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► trail is all I knew is female [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► protagonist Scotland medieval thing go [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► and i don't think it exceeded my [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► expectations but I think met them I was [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► pretty happy with that something would [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► be twice in the theater actually at the [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► insistence of my two young children who [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► wanted to go back to movie theaters see [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► it again so success on that measure and [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► both times I saw it in the theater I i [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► liked it i I think it did interesting [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► things and it really made me think about [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► what they actually did there [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► it didn't it didn't seem like obvious or [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► pat or try to me about the same token i [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► also have this nagging feeling that they [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► still don't quite know what to do with [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► female protagonist so it'sit's maybe [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► turn over my mind a lot but I overall [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► give it a thumbs up [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► I should as a footnote that I think you [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► discuss pics are on hypercritical number [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► 12 and number 13 [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► if you need to look it up if the [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► internet i have an encyclopedic [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► knowledge of the hyper of high do not so [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► you kidding i know every I i I've made a [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► supercut of only you talking about pixar [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► and yeah anyway still eight hours like [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► it is it's very long [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► brand what did you think of brave i [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► quite liked it i went in with anti [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► medium high expectations [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► I mean my history with pics are [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► basically is that I've gone to every [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► single pixar film either in a midnight [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► release or on the day that the movie [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► came out so I'm you know I'm a big fan [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► of their work in general and I was [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► really curious to like many people I [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► imagine to see what they were going to [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► do with a pseudo traditional fairy tale [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► and I'm all for free male protagonist [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► especially when they're written well and [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► I think Mara is a shit they're they're [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► definitely spots throughout the film [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► where maybe it's not quite [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► hammering home the message that I think [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► they want but i think on the whole the [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► film is really solid it's really fun to [TS]

00:08:24 ◼   ► watch and i had the pleasure of watching [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► it with two young children who were [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► horribly scared at the scary parts and [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► horribly excited during the exciting you [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► know adventure ii parts and what I [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► really like about this film and what [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► stuck with me a few days after I watched [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► it i only watch this one once in [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► theaters which is unusual for me but i [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► have not been getting to a lot of movies [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► lately I'm i really find the [TS]

00:08:50 ◼   ► mother-daughter relationship in this [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► film which is clearly what it's built [TS]

00:08:55 ◼   ► around but really go out of their way to [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► really solidify it in very specific ways [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► which we'll talk about later I assume [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► that i really appreciate the way that [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► they [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► you know honed in on specific things [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► like yes we want to we want to basically [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► use a small but mostly inconsequential [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► detail to highlight a feature of their [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► relationship and that's that's something [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► you don't see a lot of movies doing a [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► lot of movies will kind of brush over it [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► in broad strokes and be like yes teenage [TS]

00:09:27 ◼   ► girl rebelling from her mother and you [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► know that they do the the archetype the [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► stereotype I but this movie I think [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► starts with stereotype and then opens it [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► up further which I which I really enjoy [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► it and I'm actually kind of sad that I [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► didn't see this with my mother i feel [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► like i've seen all previous pixar films [TS]

00:09:48 ◼   ► with her and I feel like that was this [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► would have been a good one to co-author [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► i will now enter into the official [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► record if your honor will let me remind [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► you might be the judge here i order that [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► this be put in the official record a [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► piece called just another princess movie [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► on the new inquiry will put it in the [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► show notes and it is bio woman whose [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► name is very difficult to pronounce its [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► Lily looper oh I believe a great long [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► essay about how about exactly what [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► you're saying about how it on one level [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► this is the the movie we sort of expect [TS]

00:10:23 ◼   ► in terms of princesses and her mother [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► says you'll be you know you one of these [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► Prince's will become your husband and [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► she repels and you think you know where [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► the where the arc of the story is going [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► and you you actually don't which was one [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► of the things that delighted me about it [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► but will so we'll get back to that let's [TS]

00:10:42 ◼   ► continue my pole damn freaks [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► what did you feel generally about movie [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► I i went into it with pretty high [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► expectations like John I saw you know [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► that the premises Scottish historical [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► background female protagonists pixar I [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► thought the previous are gorgeous so i [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► was pretty excited i came out i think i [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► was pleased with that I think it was a [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► little bit less than my expectations for [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► reasons we'll probably get into it [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► mainly because it just felt a little [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► less pics are a little more Disney and I [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► know Glenn fleshman heard me say that [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► once and who disagreed vehemently but [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► he's not here [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► I i really liked the characters i [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► thought i'm like Ren said the mother and [TS]

00:11:24 ◼   ► the daughter which is clearly the focus [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► they did the characters really well they [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► made them they're they're animated [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► cartoons characters right but they made [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► them feel real and that relationship to [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► the mom and the daughter felt like the [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► kind of relationship on actual teenager [TS]

00:11:39 ◼   ► might have with just larger consequences [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► people being turned into bears and [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► getting into battles and stuff but um I [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► felt like a real relationship and I [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► really like that um I thought that the [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► sum of the supporting characters like [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► the dad and stuff we're kind of you know [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► goof balls which is sort of the Disney's [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► side that broad but but you know it's a [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► it's a movie about about the though the [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► female relationships so you know you [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► can't really feel bad about that fact [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► somebody on Twitter set a couple weeks [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► ago they said wait you're you're being [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► reduced to caricatures i would not know [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► how that feels [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► it was a woman of course I uh I thought [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► that was funny yeah but I'm overall I [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► thought it was really it was really it [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► was well done and it was it was I want [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► to see I'm i like that it exists [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► perhaps as much if not more than I liked [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► itself that there's a Pixar movie with a [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► with the female protagonist that's about [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► a women relationships and that's good [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► that's good and it's not just a dumb [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► teenage love story thing right right [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► Andy what about you what do you think my [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► expectations were high those [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► expectations were met [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► I I would have a good friend who [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► actually bout not this time i was [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► thinkin bout not to see this movie but [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► he was certainly didn't plan to see the [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► movie only because he liked a lot of [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► people he saw the trailers oh dear it's [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► a princess being forced to marry and she [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► repels and now she has to go through [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► this whole little journey you know that [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► but she's gonna have a singing talking [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► hedgehog companion perilous journey of [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► hers and that's then we've seen that [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► from from disney God knows how many [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► times his name is haggis by the way the [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► singing talking Scottish Hedgehog is [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► haggis spoiler alert i thank you g but [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► that what it is is that that's how [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► Disney would do that story and that's [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► playing the game and easy level [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► sorry is playing the game at expert [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► level where you're hitting a controller [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► but push the joystick up because okay [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► well obviously the way for this [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► character the situation await that [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► control doesn't work because that's not [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► easy level this is expert level we [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► actually have to think we have to [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► actually get through get through the [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► actual conflict between these two [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► characters the basis of how these two [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► characters way to each other and what [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► really struck me at the end the reason [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► why i thought was so satisfying the [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► reason why I really do categorize it as [TS]

00:14:04 ◼   ► up among the best of what pixar offers [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► is that there's a it made me it made me [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► think about the early days of [TS]

00:14:11 ◼   ► computer-generated imagery where the the [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► odd thing about it is that the stuff [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► that will be impossible to animate [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► traditionally is easy easy as hell to [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► animate in in computer graphics you want [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► to do a glass fear if you want to do a [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► character that that's covered in chrome [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► those are dirt simple for computer to [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► animate what's really difficult is [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► something that simple animate like shit [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► like a sheet of paper something like [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► that and this is what that it [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► this is sort of translates into the [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► story of a brave we're at Pixar started [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► off making huge huge huge impressions by [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► doing things that are sort of impossible [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► to do otherwise we're here is a story in [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► which all the tall the child's toys come [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► to life and their personalities and [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► there's hold this whole backstory going [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► on when you're not looking at your toys [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► or another one where here is an entire [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► world of bugs and here is a world that's [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► the planet is covered with trash and has [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► all these robots that have to do the [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► work of human beings [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► this is the first one in which these [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► pics are was have what seems like it [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► seems to be an unsurmountable challenge [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► they have to do a very human story where [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► it is [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► they could have shot this live-action [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► without much difficulty whatsoever they [TS]

00:15:24 ◼   ► could have there's only really one [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► fantasy element in this entire story and [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► you do and it is that ok spoiler [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► it's when a character gets to transform [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► into a bear there and and I could I [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► could just tell that yo this is the this [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► whole thing got greenlit when like that [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► if they put the top of the pitch [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► we're here the characters ABC DNA [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► and the Queen gets turned into a bear [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► and suddenly like the pitch stops [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► because all the animators the ring oh my [TS]

00:15:52 ◼   ► god I'll be so funny [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► okay first of all do a shot which like [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► she has to eat okay then we'll do a shot [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► like okay where you're going for with [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► this movie just because you're thinking [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► about how cool will be to animate that [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► character at that point but you could be [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► you could do that if you you can [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► actually do away with that element [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► completely and just create create a [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► reason for which the Queen let's say the [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► quit the the America gives her the cake [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► that's the magic cake that's not a magic [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► cake she just like used spoiled eggs [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► when she baked it and so the Queen has [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► absolutely horrible stomach cramps [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► she is and she's completely indisposed [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► for like this with us how this this [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► negotiation has to happen you could [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► really do the entire story almost [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► exactly the same way from that point on [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► we're because it's not about the magic [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► and it's not about the animation that [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► has to happen when you have a magical [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► spell going on [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► it really is about these characters [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► interacting with each other and bouncing [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► off of each other and there is no point [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► at which Meredith sings a song about how [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► horrible it is to be a princess you know [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► there is no talking hedgehog they're the [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► only thing that came up a little bit [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► close to that is the is the the magic [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► woman in the forest which was very [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► Disney ask although they put their own [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► little twist on it but when it comes [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► down to is that this is probably the [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► most human level story that has ever [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► been done in computer animation they did [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► something incredibly difficult by doing [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► a story that could have been filmed live [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► action with really really good actors [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► but they had to do it all by hand [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► through animation that's why i think [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► it's above it's a real landmark thing [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► for Pixar to have done [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► yeah it looks every time they seem to [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► want to challenge themselves technically [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► and not only have lots and lots and lots [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► of human characters which is always a [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► challenge because you have you have to [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► choose a caricature style essentially [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► because you don't want to get caught me [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► in the uncanny valley but I her hair her [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► unruly red hair is that I feel like that [TS]

00:17:44 ◼   ► i was thinkin on my bus ride home today [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► about the how they always like [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► technically challenged themselves [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► good grief i was wondering how many guys [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► like spent weeks coding new processes in [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► the Pixar Animation computer system [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► to do that hair and because he wrote [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► their animation system ya hair without [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► hair right i mean so that that's the [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► thousands of hours of programming time [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► for it for hair but it's a fantastic [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► hair this is why the bonus DVD is the is [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► the best investment in terms of [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► enjoyment per dollar because you almost [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► don't wanna watch the movie you want to [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► just go right to the commentary track [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► and that'sthat's we find out in toy [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► story 3 that the biggest technical [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► challenge the entire movie was finding [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► out how to animate a trash bag [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► ok that is literally true where you that [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► this writer's throws up this lines okay [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► the toys are put inside a trash bag and [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► that was fast forward how difficult it's [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► going to be too like animate the trash [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► compactor i was going to be to animate [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► this fire and meanwhile now like now [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► that you have to put the production that [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► nobody could figure out how to do the [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► plastic of a trash bags would actually [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► move the way that plastic moves and [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► everybody's tearing their hair out [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► psycho use stupid idiot [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► you could've written anything else they [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► could say because we are her bag [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► ok how about putting in a chromebox [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► we're really good at doing things are [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► made out of chrome but this is what [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► pixar does right i mean this is part of [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► what separates it from other animation [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► companies [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► um I i read an article where they were [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► talking about the interviewed archery [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► and physics and researchers talking [TS]

00:19:20 ◼   ► about how that the one scene where [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► Meredith takes that archery shot in [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► slow-motion how they got all the details [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► exactly right on how the arrow bend and [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► shakes during that during flight really [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► does band around the boat like that [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► yeah it's a lot of attention to detail [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► you also get the sense that the pixar [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► guys left I was like alright we're going [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► to move out archery and it and bears and [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► in Scotland we're gonna go to Scotland [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► for a while and see some bears and learn [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► how to shoot arrows and lots of things [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► and then they apply it to do this i [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► wanted to talk about for a moment [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► somebody actually in the chatroom [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► mentioned this and I i have the exact [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► same plot which is one of the reasons [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► that i think i was so delighted by the [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► movie when i saw it was that that I [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► hadn't read a lot about it and the [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► trailer to me seemed to be a real act of [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► misdirection [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► the one seen that they kept showing over [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► and over again which was Meredy shooting [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► the her bow and arrow with you know to [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► take better shots than that her three [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► suitors and I feel like that was really [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► picks are playing us that they were they [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► were they were actually in the marketing [TS]

00:20:29 ◼   ► even setting up an expectation for what [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► this movie would be that you know that [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► they didn't deliver that they didn't [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► want to deliver that they delivered in [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► the first 10 minutes and then swerved [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► and when in a whole other direction and [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► I loved that I loved going into that [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► movie and really not knowing that uh you [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► know that it was gonna be a story about [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► a girl and her mother who had been [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► transformed into a kind of wacky clumsy [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► talking bear and I i love the fact that [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► that it it legitimately took me by [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► surprise and wasn't a movie that I was [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► led to believe by the commercials in the [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► trailer the whole movie kinda does that [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► where it at every turn this story and [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► not just the movies of it is the story [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► is there's an event that's going to take [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► place that you think will either [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► heighten the tension or resolve some [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► kind of conflict and it just doesn't [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► like it with the ads you expected that [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► archery contest to be something and she [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► wins it and something dramatic happens [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► and it's just like that's like the [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► starting of the dialogue like it's [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► barely even you know all the events that [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► would be a big turning point a dramatic [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► scene that has a dramatic changes just [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► don't in the movie and it's like oh that [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► the problem is still that didn't just [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► win the archery thing but i still have [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► the problem still exists we haven't [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► solved the problem in it at every point [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► everything that's supposed to be [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► triumphant are transformative in a [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► typical movie of this type is not [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► transformer transformer it because all [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► your same problems that were set up at [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► the b-movie continue to exist they don't [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► go away because the music swells and [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► something interesting happens on screen [TS]

00:22:03 ◼   ► and that's that's very I don't say [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► unsettling but like it keeps you [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► off-balance as a viewer up because you [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► do expect certain terms of events to act [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► a certain way in the movie they just [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► don't let that's why I think different [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► studios different writers have almost a [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► credit score when it comes to well [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► creating screenplays Pixar is really [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► really good that way where you'll see [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► the trailer and you think you can start [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► you can't help but be reminded of films [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► that are sort of someone to this trailer [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► but you know that well this is pics are [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► so if they're going to give us something [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► that looks like what we've seen before [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► that's probably going to be misdirection [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► to begin with although i will i will be [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► contrary a little bit there [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► uh I thought the second trailer for this [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► movie gave away way too much because I [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► knew exactly what the twist was going to [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► be because they they have the in the end [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► of the the three mute little brothers [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► oh yeah and then you see a shot of three [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► little bears like okay I bet [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► oh and that's that's why the the shot of [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► the Bears trying was trying to trying [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► and failing to catch a salmon [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► ok now I know what happens now the only [TS]

00:23:07 ◼   ► question is does the entire family turn [TS]

00:23:09 ◼   ► into bears or just a couple didn't read [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► it didn't ruin for me but I i thought [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► that was okay i think they want to be [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► able to further it's difficult you have [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► to show three little bears like a [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► certain point the marketing people take [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► over and listen we're showing throwing [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► three little bears could be any kid [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► that's gonna put into identify the three [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► little bears yes Saul you kept telling [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► me here at that bears a tested through [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► the roof through thought roof week we [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► wish we could sign all the details are [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► being offered frozen licensing gotta put [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► the bed without it the trailer is in the [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► trailer noble argument next Pixar movie [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► there's two it's there was no beers one [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► well the country bears honey talk to [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► their instruments rudimentary into [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► spring the servants so another way that [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► this movie took me by surprise which I [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► liked was the the mother turns into a [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► bear and I so as I'm watching that I'm [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► thinking okay I know again I know where [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► this is going which is that she's going [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► to be turned into a bear and they're [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► gonna chase after and that's going to be [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► the the plotline and what I did not [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► expect for whatever reason maybe I [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► should have maybe this is my fault I [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► didn't expect that she would be entirely [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► herself and not transformed into an [TS]

00:24:19 ◼   ► animal and that that we would end up [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► with these really wacky and I thought [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► really enjoyable scenes where where the [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► mother is not realizing she's a bear and [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► discovering she's a bear and being [TS]

00:24:34 ◼   ► horrified that she's a bear and then [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► married has to has to smuggle her out of [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► the [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► Castle and I thought that was all that [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► was all charming and again not what I [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► expected I expected it to be she's [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► turned into a bear and she becomes an [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► animal and runs off into the forest and [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► then they have to find her and save her [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► from being hunted [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► I figured that would be the arc here but [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► I didn't expect so much great interplay [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► and really mother-daughter interplay [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► between America and her mother turned [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► into a giant bear with the Briton that [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► was that was so bro it's how i love that [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► so much that [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► yes of course is gonna be the wacky [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► seems I what I'm a bear all know I can't [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► be all my beer holy cats I'm a bear that [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► the end you get through that and [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► instantly because it goes right just [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► write down to as if like Mara [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► accidentally like you know left her [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► mom's hair and the curlers too long and [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► her hair is like albarn scores and she [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► has no hair left now to like look at [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► what you did [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► 104 watches if you bought anything [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► through Meredy these now look what now [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► we're going to fix this now what is not [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► my fault it's not my fault that said the [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► knob on the dial should be set a little [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► bit but it's not my fault well I don't [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► care about your fault and we're going to [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► do it the minute you have this argument [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► between like a very like Angry [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► twelve-year-old girl and the eight-foot [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► bear who's wearing a tiara [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► ya know it's a great image it's been hot [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► I really like actually that it gets it [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► gets married his mother to shut up even [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► though she's interacting you know she's [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► not necessarily for the first time and [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► you notice she doesn't do a lot of [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► physical interaction you see it a little [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► bit when marriages young but as she gets [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► older you don't you see the Queen become [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► more and more reserved and she's very [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► polite and she's you know she doesn't [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► use her hands very much it's very you [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► know talking and measured tones and as [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► soon as she gets turned into a bear [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► she has the same kind of boisterous [TS]

00:26:23 ◼   ► energy that Mara does when there is [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► moving around and marriages talking and [TS]

00:26:27 ◼   ► things like that so it's in a weird way [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► it's like they're put on the same level [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► and she's I mean yeah you get her bring [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► being brought into the forest and you [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► get married and interacting with her in [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► that way and like well look at where I [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► hang out with them and spend my days mom [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► but you I feel like for the first for [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► the first time since Merida's little [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► tiny kid the two of them connect in and [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► did all the only thing they had to [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► do was you know take her out of a gallon [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► and turn into a nature of their into a [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► bear [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► although her mother's immediate response [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► is that she's horrified that she's not [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► ladylike enough as a bear which is hence [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► the tiara and and other things that [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► happened very early on in her mannerisms [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► where she's trying to be dainty and [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► realizing that it's completely [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► impossible and that's great because [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► isn't that kind of a parallel with with [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► marisa who finds this idea that she's [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► going to be this lady that her mother [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► wants her to be completely impossible [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► she just can't she can't even conceive [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► of it there's no way she can do it so I [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► I am I i do love that and then of course [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► then threw her misfiring magic the the [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► mother and the daughter actually get to [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► spend time together out of this context [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► that they're in which is the context of [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► all of these other princess movies right [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► of you know you have to you have to do [TS]

00:27:42 ◼   ► this no I'm going to repel against that [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► and they and they take it and they take [TS]

00:27:46 ◼   ► it all the way out which is great they [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► they they put him in the forest with you [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► gotta eat it eat some fish and follow [TS]

00:27:53 ◼   ► the will of the wisp of the one hard and [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► fast thing that like other princess [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► movies tend to do is the the the adults [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► whoever they may be the adults in power [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► who are telling the kids to do the [TS]

00:28:03 ◼   ► things they don't want to do they have [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► like two modes they have like Stern but [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► being started out of love and concern [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► mode and then at the end of the movie [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► they have the slight softening with its [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► alright you taught me kid i guess i was [TS]

00:28:15 ◼   ► wrong after all some kind of softening [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► in this that those modes don't exist in [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► this movie because in the beginning we [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► established the characters like this is [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► a mother who loves her little daughter [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► and then with that contrasted with now [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► look how their relationship is has [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► changed and cooled and strained a little [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► bit as she enters adolescence and then [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► they go off into when she's on she's a [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► bear the it slips everything around and [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► now you know now the mother needs help [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► from the daughter and the daughter is [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► forced to look at the mother not as the [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► authority figures telling me to do [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► something I don't want to do but as [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► another vulnerable human being with her [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► own problems and she's this slide thru [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► the cause of like that that leveling the [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► playing field of like oh now both the [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► movie and the protagonist now recognize [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► the adult authority figure as also a [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► human being with problems and needs and [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► motivations that never happens it's [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► always like the wall because it's like [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► that that the the dumb adults and the [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► end [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► the crazy kids in typical kids movie [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► this completely levels that what i like [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► about that's how it gets revealed to [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► America but what I like about this movie [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► too is that the the magic and the [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► turning the mother into a bear that [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► doesn't that makes me laugh every time [TS]

00:29:23 ◼   ► she's a bear doesn't transform her [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► attitude toward her daughter that [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► there's a very very nice scene where you [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► know Meredith cuts the tapestry right [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► and and and her mother throws marriages [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► bow and the fire and um what's wonderful [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► is that her mother and you're thinking [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► oh this is this awful woman she she [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► doesn't understand her daughter and she [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► says oh what if I done and she realizes [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► just how terrible this action has been [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► and that they've come this far and their [TS]

00:29:57 ◼   ► relationship is so broken and I really [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► appreciated that because it lets you see [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► that she realizes what these issues are [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► before she turns into the bear instead [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► of it being well i got turned into a [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► bear and it made me rethink a few things [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► instead it's like she's already [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► rethinking and realizing this is a [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► problem with her relationship with her [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► daughter and it just so happens because [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► she gets turned into a bear and has to [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► go to the forest that she can you know [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► they learn to communicate even though [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► she can't talk and it all works itself [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► out but I think it's important that the [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► mother realizes before there's any magic [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► involved that they've got this is gone [TS]

00:30:33 ◼   ► you know way too far and that she needs [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► to do something [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► yeah that not only value but again it's [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► it's it's playing the game at expert [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► level not only it instantly sort of [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► movies there's also that the the final [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► scenes which well you're you're right [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► little girl like you think he was a [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► little girl that can make her own [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► decisions but you should forge your own [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► path [TS]

00:30:53 ◼   ► part of it is that America has to [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► realize that oh actually mom had mom [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► with mom but my mother was making really [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► really good points here they would leave [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► this she wasn't just sort of making me [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► to something that I don't want to be [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► it's actually really really essential [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► for like the continued health of [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► everybody who lives in this article in [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► time right that we maintain the pace I [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► didn't I was too frustrated to really [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► listen to what she was saying was trying [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► to teach with something really [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► the important and ok let's let's find a [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► way to solve that problem they get it [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► gives the mother of the grown-ups credit [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► for being intelligent human beings yeah [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► and it's it's that sense compromise to [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► where she's she's about she realizes [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► what her mother's been trying to teach [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► her in that scene with the the the the [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► four tribes and in that meeting where [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► things are about to come fall apart and [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► at the same time she offers basically [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► she's gonna go and do everything and [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► offer her hand in marriage and her [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► mother as a bear says no right that says [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► says no no you don't need to do that so [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► there's that compromise that happens in [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► that moment while they're mining she's [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► mine to her cause she's out there that [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► was brilliant with Billy I i really [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► wanted to like send twenty dollars to [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► Pixar saying five of you get copies for [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► dollar copies on me because you deserve [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► it with it the the whole the whole point [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► of her like giving that speech at least [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► seventy-five percent of it is simply to [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► distract everybody so that her mother [TS]

00:32:13 ◼   ► bear could sneak upstairs with attack [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► tapestry is so they can pick together [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► but she was the queen squander this [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► opportunity because she's so proud of [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► her daughter and she's just transfixed [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► and she's like almost welling up in [TS]

00:32:27 ◼   ► tears at how wonderful and strong and [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► intelligent a girl itchy that she's [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► raised here and she's squander this [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► opportunity because she just doesn't [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► want to miss it and all goodness bestest [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► it's not it's not as tear-jerking as you [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► know this as a as a as Jesse being [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► abandoned toy story 2 but it's up there [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► you will get some way you're going what [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► is handy [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► that's about as tear-jerking as it gets [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► that is that song that damn song the [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► Sarah McLachlan song and toy story 2 [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► love [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► oh no we just call out the begin to cry [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► now song just start crying [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► go ahead all of you have kind of touched [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► on something that struck me about the [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► movie which is that there really are no [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► bad characters in the movie in terms of [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► you know evil there's course there's the [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► Fallen prints and you know who is kind [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► of touched on but he's really just the [TS]

00:33:11 ◼   ► backstory he's not really a character in [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► this in the movie every other character [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► in the movie is pretty much a good [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► person and that the movie is really [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► about the relationships between good [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► people that sometimes don't go well and [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► and how you know how you can sometimes [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► fix those but i just like the fact that [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► you know I could take my kids the movie [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► there's a lot of violence in it which [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► kind of freaked him out but everybody in [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► the movie was actually a good you know [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► at heart a good person [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► yeah yeah i'm also by the way it for [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► fans of baseball young McIntosh is Tim [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► Lincecum not the voice the guy is [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► totally San Francisco Giants long hair [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► big chin [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► totally yeah check it out I mean they [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► had to put in their twenties to read [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► when it's beautiful it's a thing of [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► beauty [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► surrender you've seen a lot of pixar [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► movies did were you struck by the fact [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► that this was either their attempt to [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► finally tell a story with a with a [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► female character as the protagonist [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► after you know many many movies having [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► not you know having not gone there or [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► did it did it really not matter i are at [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► least my opinion is always first and [TS]

00:34:21 ◼   ► foremost to tell a good story turns sure [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► I feel like it does not matter who the [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► protagonist is as long as everyone in [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► the film is flushed out and interesting [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► i like seeing female protagonists [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► because as a kid I know like it was very [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► hard to grow up and have only role [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► models like pink power ranger to be here [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► you know oh yeah no I want to play [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► Wolverine no you can't play Wolverine [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► because you're a girl like that kind of [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► thing is very disappointing for for a [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► kid and so I appreciate it from that [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► from that level i appreciate that little [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► girls you know can go and be like yeah I [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► want to learn archery I want to be you [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► know an awesome princess who saves her [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► mother and you know and and focuses in [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► and is awesome [TS]

00:35:09 ◼   ► I i really like that aspect of it I but [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► i think on the whole I mean pixar pixar [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► does well by its characters you know [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► when it chooses to make archetypal [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► characters it usually does it for a [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► reason and they like to play off that [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► like the triplets and brave [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► I you get a good balance there between [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► the archetypal roles that you might see [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► in any other animation series and then [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► the little twist the the pic sorry and [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► flavor that they that they put to make [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► the archetypes a little more interesting [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► and [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► memorable and funny in your eyes I so [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► i'm very glad that pixar did a movie [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► with female protagonist and i'm all for [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► seeing more female protagonists in the [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► future because I would love it if we [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► could stop talking about [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► oh isn't it novel that isn't that [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► adorable that girl thinks he's a hero [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► i'm glad they did that it's half the [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► population and and one of 15 2015 12 [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► pixar movies or 10 pixar movies or [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► whatever it is so you know that that's [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► sad that's really the the issue and of [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► course the attitude in Hollywood against [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► lots of evidence to the contrary that [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► that a movies with female characters [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► don't do as well and then there's the [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► question of you know we'll kids with [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► boys want to see a movie with a girl at [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► the center of it and i can tell you that [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► mean oh my son and I have a son and a [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► daughter and my and they both really [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► liked it and it didn't really matter [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► that that.oh well it's a girl I don't [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► care about her [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► I mean they cared about her and she's [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► the main character she's she's awesome [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► and she's got this you know and her mom [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► turns into a bear and how cool is that [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► and it wasn't an issue with them i think [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► it's more of an issue with the people [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► who are worried about and are [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► overthinking how it's going to play in [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► the box office [TS]

00:36:56 ◼   ► it's the marketers that are worried not [TS]

00:36:58 ◼   ► the little kids the little kids just [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► want a good story and fun characters [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► exactly so so one of the things that [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► we've touched on briefly is that there [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► are there are many many other animated [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► movies that are famous for having a [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► female protagonist but that there are [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► lots of issues with those and you know [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► the obviously the Disney Princesses come [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► to mind there are you know Disney [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► animated movies mostly mostly are female [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► characters at the center but they are [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► generally even called and marketed as [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► the disney princesses and they have lots [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► of things in common involving no mother [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► or dead mother or dead parents and and [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► they usually have a well let's see i [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► mean that they're all the different [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► things that they need that they are in a [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► situation they want to repel against [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► there being a being a princess and and [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► day my prince will come it right there [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► either put into a into a relationship [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► that they don't want with with somebody [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► and they rebelled against it only to [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► discover that the in this case the [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► prince is nice or they from [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► another boy who is also nice instead and [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► you know you can trace the story arc of [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► the disney princess and you know even in [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► recent times when Disney has tried to [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► make movies with non-white princesses [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► that's their big step is that the that [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► the race of the animated character that [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► doesn't actually I guess have erased [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► because it's animated is the big [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► variation which is great on one level [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► but it doesn't really change the story [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► arcs which you know in Pocahontas or [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► Milan or the princess and the frog you [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► know the story arcs are still not that [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► different even if the characters look a [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► little bit different you know what I'd [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► actually argue that Milan and specific [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► reminded me of brave a lot and that [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► movie sort of isolation area from the [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► rest of the disney princess lot i takes [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► on more of a i'm doing this you know [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► because I want to help somebody or I [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► want to you know go forward and make my [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► own path and and it holds together [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► towards the end of it like yes Mulan [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► ends up meeting in you know eventually [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► falling in love with one of the people [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► that you know she's working together [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► within her in her unit but you know she [TS]

00:39:12 ◼   ► goes through the whole movie basically [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► to to defend honor and yes she's [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► defending her father's on RC could argue [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► oh no that makes her a weak character [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► but i think so does mother in Milan [TS]

00:39:25 ◼   ► yeah exactly her reported mother know [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► her mother's alive in that no okay [TS]

00:39:29 ◼   ► her mother is alive I don't know how to [TS]

00:39:31 ◼   ► actually send her father is we i think [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► we see her [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► we see her because she's come from panda [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► just have a know there are many there [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► are many don't but that's all the way [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► but still you mentioned already when [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► shang with the guys name sharing when he [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► shows up at the end though it's like you [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► think the movies over and she's [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► triumphant and she succeeded and she has [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► all these friends and she showed that [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► she's resourceful and smart and then he [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► shows up comes walking at the end is at [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► that little girl you forgot your role in [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► life is to is to get in a relationship [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► with a man and here is so off you go [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► that it's a kind of undercuts it where [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► the whole movie was not about that and [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► they had this little like not real [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► relation [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► what kind of like they flirting sexual [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► tension thing which is fine but then at [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► the end of the movie actor she's [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► trapping he shows up going all shocks [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► lady you know you're dropped your role [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► in life is to come and be with me and [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► she's like oh yes now but that's just [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► her father is so proud that she's found [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► a man to to find her desirable and they [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► get paired off and I'm not it's not at [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► this terrible the disney movies with the [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► princess just gets in peril and the [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► princess to come and save her with a [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► kiss and bs like that but that it's [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► that's the word that the worst thing [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► about the disney princess movies is that [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► all them revolve around the idea that [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► finding a man is your purpose in life [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► and they never explicitly say like and [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► to have children or whatever it's like [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► marriage that is the culmination of your [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► existence and then I how the stories and [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► there's going to be you and it's going [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► to be a guy is gonna be handsome guy and [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► it's gonna be nice and brave or whatever [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► but your role as a princess is to pair [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► up with that guy and that works is not [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► evil or networks because little girls [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► like to think about their prints coming [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► and stuff like that and making you know [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► the debate all the different reasons why [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► that is so in nature versus nurture or [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► whatever but that sameness and that sort [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► of just over decades and decades of [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► doing the princess movies it's it just [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► gets tiring and it just it really [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► reinforces the notion in females [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► watching it like the path of your life [TS]

00:41:24 ◼   ► no matter who you are what decade you [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► live in what your race is what your [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► classes what your status is what your [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► skills are it's going to culminate in [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► marriage and that's the end that's the [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► end of the movie they never had the [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► second movie we've been married for 20 [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► years and you have the screaming kids or [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► whatever that's a less popular animated [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► form the screaming kids parents while [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► incredible is this is an incredible [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► right now and the incredibles does a [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► good job of that [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► yeah no yeah it does it does the [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► incredibles well we could talk about the [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► incredibles remember and maybe we're [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► very long time yeah yeah maybe we should [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► do a whole show about that I wanted to [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► bring up something about going back to [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► brave as I yes go again and again I I [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► appreciate that they leave it out [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► I leave out the the possibility for Mara [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► to fall in love with one of the people [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► that she eventually has to be betrothed [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► to is still on the line but they're not [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► resolving in this film you know she [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► doesn't even have to think about it it's [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► just know that is something to decide [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► when I am [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► older and it will be my own choice right [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► I appreciate that the romance wasn't you [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► know they didn't try and shoehorn a [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► romance story into it [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► yeah like that was the great things they [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► they have three suitors and you're [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► watching it if you're watching with the [TS]

00:42:37 ◼   ► idea that stereotypes around like pi [TS]

00:42:39 ◼   ► wonder which one of those three is going [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► to turn out to actually be the cool one [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► she finds none of them nope none of them [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► out all you know a Qatari the shy open [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► whether i was so put off by earlier [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► I'm starting to realize that perhaps [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► there's something in this person after [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► all [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► well yeah if it was a dreamworks movie [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► the two of them would be going off with [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► her mother the bear and finding [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► something out about each other while [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► they're babysitting her so john is a big [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► fan as we've covered on a previous [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► podcast of a of a miyazaki who is and [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► people pics are huge fans I mean really [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► if you look at the the big influences on [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► the people pics are obviously disney and [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► miyazaki I think would be two of the [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► biggest if not the biggest and meanest [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► Rockies movies are interesting because [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► they quite frequently not always have [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► female protagonist so John you know [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► what's your take on on how brave handles [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► handles merida and universes disney [TS]

00:43:33 ◼   ► princesses and Miyazaki's characters us [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► that thinking about ways to do a [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► non-sexist I guess non stereotypical [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► female characters because we all know [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► what the stereotype is the outlines that [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► very well how do you do a story with [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► with with females female characters or [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► female lead that doesn't fall into those [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► traps and one way to do it is to do a [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► story where gender doesn't matter [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► and sometimes that the cheap way to do [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► that is to write a story with a male [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► lead that you think is going to be [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► exciting and interesting that's not [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► doesn't hammering on the mail stuff like [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► it's not about I don't know tips [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► specifically male things but just write [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► a regular story with the male lead and [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► just swap the gender and that's it so it [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► was a prince you make a princess but [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► just the stories exactly the same or if [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► it's just it's just a person you just [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► switch the gender right much harder is [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► to write a story of a character living [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► with all the usual impressions of [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► females that we all know from the [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► various cultures on earth there were you [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► know in our societies [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► have it be a female character had that [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► character living in a world where all [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► that stuff exists but don't have the [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► movie about those forms of oppression [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► everything just simply have the [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► character not be limited by them and [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► that's what miyazaki i think does so [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► well with the female protagonist because [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► they're in there in a world where their [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► expectations of my outcome of kikis [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► delivery services one of my favorite [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► movies of all time I am meeting [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► she's she's in a world where there are [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► gender roles and expectations for [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► females i love the fact that her friend [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► in the town is a pregnant woman which is [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► something that you know they wouldn't [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► even show in live-action television for [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► decades i probably can't show pregnancy [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► right is an acknowledgement that like [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► pregnancy is uniquely female your her [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► role model when you know when she's away [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► from her parents is this woman who is [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► pregnant and they don't talk about it [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► it's not a thing but it's their right [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► and there is the expectations of romance [TS]

00:45:28 ◼   ► and the boy who likes her and everything [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► all the things that you are i set by and [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► the the younger sort of teenage friend [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► in the woods who sort of more [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► self-actualized woman showing her all [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► and she has the older woman which makes [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► the pie for she's womanhood and all its [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► different phases yeah and and all those [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► people are you know you could say their [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► stereotypes that they're in there in the [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► typical stages of life we see a woman [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► young kid teenager and older woman a [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► pregnant woman and her childbearing [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► years up but that's not the story is [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► about and she is not limited by those [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► things and it doesn't culminate in her [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► getting married and the the relationship [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► is the same way it is when you have a [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► twelve-year-old like your life doesn't [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► culminating you finally holding hands [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► with that boy is just one of the things [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► out here but that it's just I like the [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► fact that acknowledges all that instead [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► of simply saying uh it's an amazing [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► prints hero but i doubt it she's got [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► long hair and so she's a girl and so [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► look at this is that we don't we don't [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► fall into those gender stereotypes at [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► all and that is very difficult to do I [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► think I like that I like that in key the [TS]

00:46:31 ◼   ► the boy is there like you said whoo-whoo [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► he he kinda likes her and you know she's [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► sort of too busy but he's a friend but [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► it's just not the point right i mean [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► it's there it's just not it's just [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► another pointless and she is like [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► slightly she's she likes the boy wants [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► to have a relationship with a little bit [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► feel self-doubt like [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► the boy is used as a part as I think it [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► is in real life where the kids that age [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► are so self-absorbed that these [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► relationships type things are really [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► just ways for you to grow as a person [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► and to figure out how all this stuff [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► works and it's not so much about the [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► other person so she she feels self-doubt [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► and and the rich friends that he has and [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► she's not comfortable that situation and [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► she you know is depressed about it and [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► just dump doesn't have anything to do [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► with him and gets into self-loathing [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► right but she doesn't want him to die by [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► being dropped from a blimp yeah and like [TS]

00:47:18 ◼   ► all of it is about how she grows and you [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► kind of feel bad for Tom but because you [TS]

00:47:22 ◼   ► know he's times he's you know he's in [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► the picture and she has deep feelings [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► surrounding him but she really feeling [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► or tambo doesn't you know at that age [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► it's really all about you yourself [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► growing not so much about the other [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► person I I think miyazaki does a it talk [TS]

00:47:37 ◼   ► about expert levels like that the [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► masterclass how to do on how to do [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► female protagonists indeed in the most [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► interesting way possible and I think [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► miyazaki also to be fair for his entire [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► work does all the other levels till he's [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► got the stereotypical females who are [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► like the princess you do nothing like an [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► and castle in the sky you know [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► oh yeah and he's got the like nas ago [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► who is much more in the vein of what [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► there's a little bit of gender roles [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► there and how she's treated by the [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► village but she's very much a similar to [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► a prince here or you could swap her out [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► with the with a male and half the movie [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► works and the only one-half you need to [TS]

00:48:12 ◼   ► change all of the key who I think is the [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► complete you know that the best move you [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► look for little girls ever seen in my [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► entire life because it shows everything [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► that you're going to be beset by and [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► shows how you how that doesn't have to [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► define your limit you in any way and how [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► you can deal with it and overcome it and [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► a movie like like totoro I mean the main [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► characters are our little girls and [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► there's a boy around two and you know it [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► doesn't matter that they're just they [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► happen to be girls and it's just not a [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► big deal and they're not they're not [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► princesses but they do have their [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► magical you know adventure and it just [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► doesn't matter and the act like little [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► they actually leaving them on the Attic [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► stereotypical little girls that's what [TS]

00:48:52 ◼   ► about what's great about is you don't [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► want to make the girls who like girly [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► things feel like that is if I like girly [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► things I'm somehow failure as a woman [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► because I should be more manly and like [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► manly [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► things and be like the prince in this [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► story like it's ok to do all the things [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► that the girl stereotypically like but [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► you don't you also don't have to accept [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► the other oppressions that seem to come [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► with gender roles in society so that the [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► girls in miyazaki movies are girly much [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► of the time but like that's okay they [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► still are resourceful and heroic and [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► have have feelings and you know [TS]

00:49:27 ◼   ► relationships and stuff in ways that's [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► interesting and not limiting and never [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► never need to be saved by a man or need [TS]

00:49:35 ◼   ► to get married at the end of the movie [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► or anything like that [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► can you tell we have daughters and Dan [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► 4x has his daughters to sew and i am [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► currently writing down a list of [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► miyazaki films that to put on my haha [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► lucky if you haven't shown tricky and [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► totoro to your your kids they're totally [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► safe for little kids to and are our [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► amazing amazing castle is pretty good [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► too although it has some scary points [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► yeah I didn't really like that one but [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► but yeah I mean yeah start with Kiki [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► totoro and go from there [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► bonito is really weird to really weird [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► but we did a whole podcast miyazaki i [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► like most of the really really good [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► storytellers out there [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► his point is to tell a good fictional [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► tale and you know pull people in and he [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► just happens to use female protagonist [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► to do that and do it well but it's not [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► you know he doesn't go into it or at [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► least it doesn't feel like to me he goes [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► into it saying i need two female [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► characters and one male character and i [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► will balance this out you know his [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► ratios are pretty even like in the [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► movies even if it is a female lead this [TS]

00:50:45 ◼   ► the expected number of males and females [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► and also doing things that you would [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► expect males and females to do it's not [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► like one half of a lot of the movies [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► they just cut out one half of the gender [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► oh this is a girl's movie so we're going [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► to show us the moms and the daughters [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► and my dad will come in for two scenes [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► they don't even exist in the reverse if [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► it's an action movie you know the [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► females are just there to be love [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► interest in distress and everything else [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► is about the guys fighting right it's [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► like half of the world is invisible to [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► you and they just decided to focus on [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► better movies show males and females in [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► the expected ratios doing the expected [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► things and then [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► no whoever your main character is fine [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► but they inhabit a world that is [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► balanced in that way and and fits with [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► whatever time it's done if it's if it's [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► a Victorian thing and women are like [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► even more massively depressed than now [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► that's what they show you know you don't [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► don't make it look like that's not the [TS]

00:51:31 ◼   ► case and say well I want I want to have [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► a strong female character so i'm going [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► to pretend that you know the female [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► there's a female president and you know [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► 1886 or something is well but you can [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► still write a female a strong female [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► character and 1886 you just have to take [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► a different tack from it [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► yeah because the world she's in is very [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► is different like you can't you you can [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► have the characters change but you can't [TS]

00:51:53 ◼   ► change the environment like when you're [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► making completely fictional environment [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► you can choose what it's like obviously [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► whatever century and Scotland that you [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► have you have certain expectations that [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► you have to deal with but if you're [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► completely making a fictional more like [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► a nozzle you can make that b2b however [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► you want and that can be an interesting [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► way to defy expectations or say that you [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► know even thousands of years in the [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► future [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► we've reverted to monarchy and typical [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► gender roles but that still doesn't [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► limit this one princess for you know [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► she's very very unlike princess you [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► would expect [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► absolutely so I can't go past through [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► this podcast without bringing up legend [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► of korra which aired recently and is a [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► animated show on Nickelodeon that is the [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► sequel to a it's an anime show but it's [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► an American anime show or American [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► written and designed anime show that's [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► produced in south korea but shown on an [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► American work it's very it's a little [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► roundabout but um avatar the original [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► series ran for I think 40 episodes was [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► fantastic and had some great female [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► characters and why didn't my yeah [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► there's there's a great female character [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► a couple of great female characters in [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► the original avatar and now the sequel [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► which started airing this year legend of [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► korra has a female protagonist who [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► besides being an excellently written [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► character I one of the things that [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► people keep calling out and really that [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► comes to mind when i watch it is you [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► never hear supporting characters in that [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► show describing Korra as oh you're so [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► pretty i want to [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► no hang out with you it's always wow [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► you're an amazing bender [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► wow you do all these cool things wow [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► you're so strong and she's not drawn [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► like if you traditional feel what you [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► would think of a traditional female [TS]

00:53:45 ◼   ► protagonist where she's basically a [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► powerful character in this world and can [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► do magic type things that they call [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► bending in the universe and she's drawn [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► buff she's drawn like she's been lifting [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► weights since she was four and they [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► comment on that always in a positive [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► aspect which I find really really [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► fantastic my son was angry for halloween [TS]

00:54:10 ◼   ► Lester yes I that's that's a great a [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► really really great show i watched it on [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► the original avatar when I was sick a [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► couple years ago when absolutely fell in [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► love with it like it is a kids show and [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► it is kids friendly but it is written [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► with such care to the universe and [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► towards the characters that it's [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► absolutely like I i put it up there is [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► like a really fantastic television show [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► de to go and watch it introduced my kids [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► to the idea of serialize storytelling to [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► that it's the story isn't over that what [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► there is in the next episode the story [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► continues what would it would it would a [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► second i wanna know what happened that's [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► a cliffhanger son that's called a [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► cliffhanger get used to integrating [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► early it's got to be done [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► it's got to be done so at but I I random [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► with you with you about something you [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► said earlier which is it would be nice [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► if we couldn't you we just didn't have [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► to talk about this but you know the fact [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► remains that it this is an ongoing issue [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► that it you know in popular [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► entertainment and as somebody who is a [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► up a parent of a of a daughter i I've [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► noticed it even more now than I did [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► before that I you know there's a lot of [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► popular entertainment out there that it [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► really seems to be that that it's got to [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► be about it's gonna be about male [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► characters because women will go see [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► movies about with male characters in the [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► lead but then we'll go see movies with [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► women in the lead which i think you know [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► keeps being proven isn't true but it [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► still happens and in [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► the kind of stuff that we like to talk [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► about on this podcast that's often the [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► case to right i mean there are there are [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► lots of great example to the contrary [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► which i think would you would think [TS]

00:55:54 ◼   ► would prove that that it shouldn't be [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► the case and yet nobody seems to pick up [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► on and he mentioned before we started [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► the fact that a alien and aliens that [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► are carried by i'm incredibly strong [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► woman character and that's an action [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► franchise and yet everybody seems [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► reluctant to and are supposedly making [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► huge risks taking these risks by having [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► women characters leading movies which [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► seems insane to me [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► the problem here is that when you write [TS]

00:56:23 ◼   ► a really good female protagonist and you [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► tell a story that happens to have a [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► really good female protagonist then it's [TS]

00:56:29 ◼   ► looked at by the general public as a [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► good story and the only people who are [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► highlighting it as hey look it's it's [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► such a cool female protagonist you [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► should go look at that are generally [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► women because it's like oh hey look [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► finally a character that looks like us [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► and you know acts that that's that's [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► fantastic [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► I nice to finally see that but the rest [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► of the world doesn't really see oh this [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► is a movie about a woman there just oh [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► this is a really good story and this [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► badass you know woman happens to be [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► fighting off aliens you know you don't [TS]

00:57:05 ◼   ► you don't rest [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► you don't necessarily say just like you [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► don't necessarily say this is a film [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► with a male protagonist unless you are [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► in the you know film discussion you're [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► looking for good stories and bad stories [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► but yes female protagonists are so few [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► and far between because marketing [TS]

00:57:22 ◼   ► executives and you know the people [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► green-lighting these stories and people [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► writing these stories to put money you [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► know food on their table and money in [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► their bank accounts you know they write [TS]

00:57:33 ◼   ► what sells and unfortunately even [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► recently what sells either strong male [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► protagonists because that's the way it's [TS]

00:57:41 ◼   ► been since time immemorial or female [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► protagonists but the way we know that [TS]

00:57:47 ◼   ► they're you know good-hearted and [TS]

00:57:49 ◼   ► important is that all the other male [TS]

00:57:51 ◼   ► protagonist are all the other male [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► characters are like oh you're so pretty [TS]

00:57:55 ◼   ► oh your prince [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► yes oh that's why I care about you of [TS]

00:57:59 ◼   ► course yeah you know that you talked [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► about like how it would be nice if we [TS]

00:58:02 ◼   ► didn't have to [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► I if it wasn't such a big deal that was [TS]

00:58:06 ◼   ► female protagonist but it's the cause [TS]

00:58:09 ◼   ► and effect i think it is as always been [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► the other way is that there is [TS]

00:58:13 ◼   ► inequality in society and the art [TS]

00:58:16 ◼   ► reflects that that's just simply the way [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► it is and the reason it's an issue is [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► not because of the imbalance in movies [TS]

00:58:21 ◼   ► the imbalance and movies exists because [TS]

00:58:23 ◼   ► of the imbalances in society until and [TS]

00:58:25 ◼   ► those imbalances have been getting [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► better over time on the long graph but [TS]