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00:00:00   the incomparable Todd task number 101 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/0">TS</a>]

00:00:07   August 2012 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/7">TS</a>]

00:00:09   welcome back everybody to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/9">TS</a>]

00:00:12   uncomfortable podcast I'm your hostess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/12">TS</a>]

00:00:14   and snow it's episode 101 starting a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/14">TS</a>]

00:00:18   century of podcasting excellence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/18">TS</a>]

00:00:21   explains him quotation marks did this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/21">TS</a>]

00:00:27   week's episode is about book it's red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/27">TS</a>]

00:00:30   shirts by john scalzi we did an entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/30">TS</a>]

00:00:31   podcast about john scalzi and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/31">TS</a>]

00:00:34   collected works its number 37 so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/34">TS</a>]

00:00:36   get identified by 52 TV / incomparable / [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/36">TS</a>]

00:00:40   37 episode is called shadow war the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/40">TS</a>]

00:00:42   night dragons it's got we talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/42">TS</a>]

00:00:45   basically all the books that scalzi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/45">TS</a>]

00:00:47   wrote up two red shirts which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/47">TS</a>]

00:00:51   topic of today's podcast joining me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/51">TS</a>]

00:00:55   talk about Richards are these three fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/55">TS</a>]

00:00:59   upstanding citizens serenity Caldwell is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/59">TS</a>]

00:01:02   with us again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/62">TS</a>]

00:01:03   hello hello I wouldn't call myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/63">TS</a>]

00:01:05   upstanding that you know what I'll take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   the compliment I i called you that so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   get to do that all right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/69">TS</a>]

00:01:11   also the the great and well-read Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/71">TS</a>]

00:01:14   McNulty hi Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/74">TS</a>]

00:01:16   hello jason and i would call myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/76">TS</a>]

00:01:18   great so spun off and joining us from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/78">TS</a>]

00:01:22   the Pacific Northwest a man who read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/82">TS</a>]

00:01:25   many books and hence has many opinions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/87">TS</a>]

00:01:27   Glenn fleischmann Glenn I have no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/87">TS</a>]

00:01:30   opinion about whether i'm here tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/90">TS</a>]

00:01:31   or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/91">TS</a>]

00:01:32   thank you thank you that that helps a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/92">TS</a>]

00:01:35   lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/95">TS</a>]

00:01:35   so red shirts is a very strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/95">TS</a>]

00:01:39   it's a very strange book with a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   strange subject and when i first heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/101">TS</a>]

00:01:42   that this book was coming out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/102">TS</a>]

00:01:45   I i kind of thought it was a joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/105">TS</a>]

00:01:48   because let's let's go through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/108">TS</a>]

00:01:51   history here John Scalzi wrote this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/111">TS</a>]

00:01:54   shadow or the night dragons thing which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/114">TS</a>]

00:01:55   actually was a joke and got nominated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   for hugo award for best short story that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/117">TS</a>]

00:02:00   was his the idea of the perfectly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/120">TS</a>]

00:02:02   targeted fantasy novel title and he also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/122">TS</a>]

00:02:07   did little fuzzy fuzzy fuzzy nation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   which is the reboot of a classic sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/129">TS</a>]

00:02:12   novel little fuzzy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/132">TS</a>]

00:02:13   and so then he is red shirts thing gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/133">TS</a>]

00:02:16   announced and I think to myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/136">TS</a>]

00:02:18   surely this isn't real this is it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/138">TS</a>]

00:02:20   John Scalzi gone crazy is what is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/140">TS</a>]

00:02:23   doing all this you know all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/143">TS</a>]

00:02:25   strange pranks and stunts and and wacky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/145">TS</a>]

00:02:28   chapters two books that don't exist and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/148">TS</a>]

00:02:30   reboots of things is it going to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/150">TS</a>]

00:02:33   write a whole novel of with the premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35   that it's a basically startrack seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/155">TS</a>]

00:02:37   from the from the perspective of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/157">TS</a>]

00:02:40   redshirts who are going off to their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/160">TS</a>]

00:02:42   impending doom and on of fundamental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/162">TS</a>]

00:02:46   level that is sort of where this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/166">TS</a>]

00:02:48   starts right he did this book the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/168">TS</a>]

00:02:52   way that this book could have been done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/172">TS</a>]

00:02:53   i kind of feel like it like everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/173">TS</a>]

00:02:56   you did the chicken he did the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/176">TS</a>]

00:02:57   kitchen sink approach this he like took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/177">TS</a>]

00:02:59   everything you said he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   simultaneously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/181">TS</a>]

00:03:02   well the so this book there is a way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/182">TS</a>]

00:03:05   do this book and do it extremely badly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   right which is to say okay here's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/187">TS</a>]

00:03:11   going to be wacky we're gonna have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/191">TS</a>]

00:03:13   ship and it's going to be like Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/193">TS</a>]

00:03:15   and the characters will be recognizably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/195">TS</a>]

00:03:18   Star Trek characters and accept our main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/198">TS</a>]

00:03:21   characters of the red shirts and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/201">TS</a>]

00:03:22   all realize that the redshirts get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   killed a lot and it really bugs them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/204">TS</a>]

00:03:27   that's there's it's a novel and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/207">TS</a>]

00:03:30   would you get that in a couple of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/210">TS</a>]

00:03:32   chapters and then the rest of it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/212">TS</a>]

00:03:34   just will be just belabor it endlessly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/214">TS</a>]

00:03:37   and I i could type that I mean that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   what I dreaded when I read this book was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/219">TS</a>]

00:03:42   that it was going to be this one joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/222">TS</a>]

00:03:44   and it's like well scalzi I like his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/224">TS</a>]

00:03:45   stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/225">TS</a>]

00:03:46   let's see if there's some other way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/226">TS</a>]

00:03:48   do this but that was my fear was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/228">TS</a>]

00:03:50   this was going to be a UH sort of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/230">TS</a>]

00:03:52   single joke played out over an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/232">TS</a>]

00:03:54   appropriate length and we would get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/234">TS</a>]

00:03:57   joke really early on and then there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/237">TS</a>]

00:03:59   would be nothing left to appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01   about it right i mean did anybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03   you know that Scott was that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/243">TS</a>]

00:04:05   feeling about going in it was my my fear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/245">TS</a>]

00:04:09   if you're I'm always suspicious of books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/249">TS</a>]

00:04:12   who's the author name is larger than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/252">TS</a>]

00:04:15   title and that's a book that yes that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/255">TS</a>]

00:04:19   I guess John Scalzi has gotten to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   point in his career where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/261">TS</a>]

00:04:22   his name is more important than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/262">TS</a>]

00:04:24   title of the book so that worried me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/264">TS</a>]

00:04:27   then of course the premise like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/267">TS</a>]

00:04:29   it's kind of flimsy I you know it's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/269">TS</a>]

00:04:33   of like a running science fiction joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/273">TS</a>]

00:04:36   so I didn't know what more could be done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/276">TS</a>]

00:04:40   with it and especially I didn't know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/280">TS</a>]

00:04:42   it was a joke that could last a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/282">TS</a>]

00:04:43   novel but he cleverly kind of made it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/283">TS</a>]

00:04:47   kind of three different things together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   so he kind of addressed that I but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/289">TS</a>]

00:04:53   know i mean it's it's it's it wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/293">TS</a>]

00:04:56   horrible i actually quite liked it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/296">TS</a>]

00:04:58   yeah I like 22 and I liked it because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/298">TS</a>]

00:05:01   wasn't one of the big reasons i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/301">TS</a>]

00:05:03   this because it was not what I expected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05   I expected so just as a brief recap we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/305">TS</a>]

00:05:09   meet these red shirt characters this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/309">TS</a>]

00:05:10   indeed that the horror story you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/310">TS</a>]

00:05:14   fear of what this book would be about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/314">TS</a>]

00:05:16   is that's what the book is at the start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/316">TS</a>]

00:05:18   right so at the start we meet these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/318">TS</a>]

00:05:21   characters who are being assigned to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/321">TS</a>]

00:05:23   intrepid which is the ship that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/323">TS</a>]

00:05:25   vary enterprise like ship the flagship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/325">TS</a>]

00:05:28   of the universal Union the dub dub right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/328">TS</a>]

00:05:31   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/331">TS</a>]

00:05:32   eww eww i forget what they call yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/332">TS</a>]

00:05:36   it's just it's it's ridiculous because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/336">TS</a>]

00:05:38   it's the Federation that's the w that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/338">TS</a>]

00:05:40   it w space for the blob the w space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/340">TS</a>]

00:05:43   fleet the flagship the universal Union [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/343">TS</a>]

00:05:46   capital ship intrepid right and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/346">TS</a>]

00:05:49   the characters there's a an alien ish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/349">TS</a>]

00:05:52   guy who's very basically Spock and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/352">TS</a>]

00:05:55   there's this blowhard captain and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/355">TS</a>]

00:05:56   there's a you know an engineer in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   doctor and I mean it's he's done a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/358">TS</a>]

00:06:00   job of you know changing everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/360">TS</a>]

00:06:04   while making it perfectly clear all we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/364">TS</a>]

00:06:05   all know what he's doing here and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/365">TS</a>]

00:06:08   so it looks like this is going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/368">TS</a>]

00:06:09   story and then I what scalzi did that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/369">TS</a>]

00:06:14   thought was really impressive is he you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/374">TS</a>]

00:06:19   know he he gives his character he treats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/379">TS</a>]

00:06:23   his characters like real people and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   treats the premise seriously and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/385">TS</a>]

00:06:31   just sort of takes it to its fullest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/391">TS</a>]

00:06:32   extent and I didn't expect that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35   really didn't expect you today we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/395">TS</a>]

00:06:37   okay what if what if this scenario [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/397">TS</a>]

00:06:40   played out at and then it gets really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/400">TS</a>]

00:06:44   weird and meta right where he also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   throws in there that they realized that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/406">TS</a>]

00:06:49   this is they find this reclusive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51   character who's like hiding in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/411">TS</a>]

00:06:52   middle of the ship somewhere and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/412">TS</a>]

00:06:55   all these uh like carts are stored or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/415">TS</a>]

00:06:59   something it's so bizarre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   it's I thought you liked that part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/421">TS</a>]

00:07:03   because of the real genius [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/423">TS</a>]

00:07:04   it is actually yeah well as well it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/424">TS</a>]

00:07:07   he's lastly and he he is obsessed with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/427">TS</a>]

00:07:10   something called the narrative and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/430">TS</a>]

00:07:13   turns out that this is this is a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/433">TS</a>]

00:07:16   than just a story about characters who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/436">TS</a>]

00:07:19   were stuck on a on startrack about to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/439">TS</a>]

00:07:22   killed it's a it's a story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/442">TS</a>]

00:07:23   characters whose lives are being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/443">TS</a>]

00:07:25   determined by the scripts of a sci-fi TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/445">TS</a>]

00:07:29   series and as we learn a particularly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/449">TS</a>]

00:07:31   bad side that's not so great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/451">TS</a>]

00:07:34   not so great and and schools he himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/454">TS</a>]

00:07:37   was the technical advisor for the for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/457">TS</a>]

00:07:40   stargate universe the last and stargate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   series so he had some experience with TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/462">TS</a>]

00:07:45   although he has an author's no worries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/465">TS</a>]

00:07:46   look this Stargate Universe is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/466">TS</a>]

00:07:48   better than this terrible show i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/468">TS</a>]

00:07:49   writing about now so it that that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/469">TS</a>]

00:07:54   I have to admit that point at that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/474">TS</a>]

00:07:57   the novel almost lost me because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   thought it was going to get very meta at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/479">TS</a>]

00:08:02   which it did but and an overly clever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/482">TS</a>]

00:08:06   and and that was the moment where I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/486">TS</a>]

00:08:09   really I i began to fear that this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/489">TS</a>]

00:08:12   not what I expected but might actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/492">TS</a>]

00:08:14   be worse than I expected you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/494">TS</a>]

00:08:17   think it brings both of those things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   at the same time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/499">TS</a>]

00:08:21   it rides the line very carefully i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/501">TS</a>]

00:08:24   to admit when I first started reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/504">TS</a>]

00:08:25   the book and this is the first scalzi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   book that i have read which is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29   interesting way to enter into his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/509">TS</a>]

00:08:31   fiction the old man's war might be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/511">TS</a>]

00:08:33   better place to start but ok yeah old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/513">TS</a>]

00:08:36   man's war was on my list but this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   came out first and I heard that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/518">TS</a>]

00:08:39   short and we were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/519">TS</a>]

00:08:40   potentially discussing it and I'm like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/520">TS</a>]

00:08:42   like red shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/522">TS</a>]

00:08:45   better go and it's his best-selling book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   so i think that for a lot of people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49   sometimes just a strong but yeah the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/529">TS</a>]

00:08:51   first when i first started reading this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   I actually assume I'm like okay well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   they can go one of two ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   I I thought about the TV show in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   back of my head but my first thought was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/539">TS</a>]

00:09:01   oh they're gonna have like an evil AI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/541">TS</a>]

00:09:04   controlling and pulling the settings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/544">TS</a>]

00:09:06   right sure but he's basically been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/546">TS</a>]

00:09:07   blackmailed by this evil iight you're an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   Inuit you're looking for an in-universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   premise right you know I assumed it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/551">TS</a>]

00:09:14   that way and then the second they start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/554">TS</a>]

00:09:15   talking about the narrative I'm like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/555">TS</a>]

00:09:17   wait you mean this crazy half-assed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/557">TS</a>]

00:09:19   thought i had in the very beginning of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   the no reading the book is actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/561">TS</a>]

00:09:23   where they're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/563">TS</a>]

00:09:24   this is insanity yeah yeah there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/564">TS</a>]

00:09:29   whole last job I always put my talented [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/569">TS</a>]

00:09:32   writer hides half of the ass for later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   really lolz lolz us into a sense of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36   believing that the narrative that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38   constructed as the narrative with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/578">TS</a>]

00:09:40   capital and time travel plots and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/580">TS</a>]

00:09:43   this nonsense he leads us to believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/583">TS</a>]

00:09:45   that that's actually the narrative is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/585">TS</a>]

00:09:46   telling then he tells a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/586">TS</a>]

00:09:48   narrative within that structure that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50   tells three more in areas in appendices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/590">TS</a>]

00:09:53   yeah right we're going to bed which will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   get to know really will get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/595">TS</a>]

00:09:57   killings write the book was fun and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/597">TS</a>]

00:10:00   the general plot of you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/600">TS</a>]

00:10:02   redshirts was pretty great and I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/602">TS</a>]

00:10:05   like this is a solid B book and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   really enjoyable and something fun to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   read good summer reading and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/609">TS</a>]

00:10:13   dropped the remote is one after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/613">TS</a>]

00:10:14   other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/614">TS</a>]

00:10:15   yes yes oh so before we get there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17   yeah what happens is you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/617">TS</a>]

00:10:20   reading a story this this is the metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/620">TS</a>]

00:10:24   part you're reading a story and it turns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/624">TS</a>]

00:10:25   out that these guys are being controlled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/625">TS</a>]

00:10:26   by this narrative which is the TV show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   and and as I was saying earlier that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/628">TS</a>]

00:10:30   the point where I thought oh gee this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/630">TS</a>]

00:10:31   could go horribly wrong and where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33   doesn't go wrong is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   he just keeps going with taking the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/635">TS</a>]

00:10:37   whole thing seriously and set and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/637">TS</a>]

00:10:39   can see him almost as a writer saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/639">TS</a>]

00:10:41   alright I've done that now what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/641">TS</a>]

00:10:44   like well now they're going to try to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/644">TS</a>]

00:10:46   you know they'll try to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/646">TS</a>]

00:10:49   contact the writers of the show they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/649">TS</a>]

00:10:50   try to go back in time but how is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/650">TS</a>]

00:10:52   possible well of course star trek and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   shows like it use ridiculous things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/654">TS</a>]

00:10:56   don't make any sense of their several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   points scientists [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/658">TS</a>]

00:10:59   in the kiss your characters say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/659">TS</a>]

00:11:01   doesn't work you couldn't do it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/661">TS</a>]

00:11:04   and like doesn't matter when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/664">TS</a>]

00:11:06   narrative is focused anything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/666">TS</a>]

00:11:07   possible because they just whatever the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/667">TS</a>]

00:11:09   writers write happens so that's his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   commentary part but they go back that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/671">TS</a>]

00:11:14   was a moment where it got me back all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/674">TS</a>]

00:11:15   the way was when they said no we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/675">TS</a>]

00:11:17   gonna go and try to talk to these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/677">TS</a>]

00:11:18   who are writing these stories and get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/678">TS</a>]

00:11:20   them to stop killing us because that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/680">TS</a>]

00:11:23   you were that character in that world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   that's exactly what you do we gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   yeah and so then they do that and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/687">TS</a>]

00:11:29   they have their adventures on on planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/689">TS</a>]

00:11:33   earth trying to deal with the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/693">TS</a>]

00:11:35   writers of the intrepid Series and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/695">TS</a>]

00:11:38   trying to meet them and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   discovered that they are meeting their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   actors which is something so he starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/702">TS</a>]

00:11:45   wackiness narrow and schools is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/705">TS</a>]

00:11:48   that for star trek for ya also it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/708">TS</a>]

00:11:50   reminded me and I it's something i've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/710">TS</a>]

00:11:51   mentioned before there's this visit to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/711">TS</a>]

00:11:54   weird planet damn fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   although i think it was a published in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   the seventies that was about starting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/718">TS</a>]

00:12:02   transporter accident that swaps the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04   actors with the actual Star Trek [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   characters and that's their two stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/726">TS</a>]

00:12:09   told from the opposite vantage points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/729">TS</a>]

00:12:10   where the actors are on the enterprise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   and where the real characters are now in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/732">TS</a>]

00:12:15   in modern-day or nineteen sixties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   California and it was it was very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/737">TS</a>]

00:12:21   in that vein to where suddenly there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   the checkoff like character who keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   getting horribly maimed but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   miraculously saved and his his actor is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/747">TS</a>]

00:12:33   like some sort of famous kind of more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/753">TS</a>]

00:12:35   Playboy's kind of character and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/755">TS</a>]

00:12:37   they had there's a whole like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/757">TS</a>]

00:12:40   whole set piece really where they ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/760">TS</a>]

00:12:43   up kidnapping him and driving him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/763">TS</a>]

00:12:45   because he's he's drunk and made they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/765">TS</a>]

00:12:47   they kidnapped him and drive him away in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49   his car and then they talked to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/769">TS</a>]

00:12:52   which again you end up with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/772">TS</a>]

00:12:53   duplicates actually talking there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/773">TS</a>]

00:12:55   no cheat of like well what what happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/775">TS</a>]

00:12:58   I don't know he was unconscious you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/778">TS</a>]

00:12:59   never know the truth said no he and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/779">TS</a>]

00:13:01   actor have a have a whole conversation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/781">TS</a>]

00:13:03   about their lives which is again scalzi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/783">TS</a>]

00:13:06   taking it taking it seriously in in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/786">TS</a>]

00:13:09   completely crazy idea of applause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/789">TS</a>]

00:13:12   he he never you know he's funny but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/792">TS</a>]

00:13:16   taking it seriously in the sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/796">TS</a>]

00:13:17   he's gonna he's gonna explore his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/797">TS</a>]

00:13:19   premise to its conclusions and not fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   not to a fake-out which I really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   yeah it doesn't feel like he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/803">TS</a>]

00:13:26   putting it for you as you were saying is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/806">TS</a>]

00:13:29   like a oh well I guess I'll never talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31   to each other and you can meet your past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/811">TS</a>]

00:13:34   pseudo self but I mean this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/814">TS</a>]

00:13:37   that the Coda's which come after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/817">TS</a>]

00:13:40   story play on in a great deal is so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/820">TS</a>]

00:13:43   characters go back and meet their actor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/823">TS</a>]

00:13:46   cells and they meet the writers of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/826">TS</a>]

00:13:48   show and they basically two out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/828">TS</a>]

00:13:50   writer of the show and be like why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/830">TS</a>]

00:13:51   you gotta kill us man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   and after that all happens and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/833">TS</a>]

00:13:56   are resolved in a way that I guess we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/836">TS</a>]

00:13:58   can i watch suppose interface listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   his read the book will say let's fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/840">TS</a>]

00:14:03   the so we're going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/843">TS</a>]

00:14:06   but the boiler aren't ya so they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/846">TS</a>]

00:14:09   things results and then then what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/849">TS</a>]

00:14:13   happens afterwards what happens once you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/853">TS</a>]

00:14:14   realize that as show that you have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/854">TS</a>]

00:14:16   writing is real people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/856">TS</a>]

00:14:19   well I have been before that though the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/859">TS</a>]

00:14:21   in the last two in the last two chapters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/861">TS</a>]

00:14:23   that these two characters that this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/863">TS</a>]

00:14:25   of the things calls he does what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/865">TS</a>]

00:14:26   really like is he's got the what I I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/866">TS</a>]

00:14:29   always heard you referred to as the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/869">TS</a>]

00:14:32   law of the economy lot of economy of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/872">TS</a>]

00:14:33   characters where every character has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/873">TS</a>]

00:14:35   purpose so if you're in a mystery and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/875">TS</a>]

00:14:37   there's only one person who's not yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   explained well they did it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   there's only they don't show you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/881">TS</a>]

00:14:43   characters who are pointless and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/883">TS</a>]

00:14:46   our answer these there's that our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   protagonist a doll and then there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   other character who is his buddy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/890">TS</a>]

00:14:52   doesn't ever get killed and you keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/892">TS</a>]

00:14:55   waiting to see why is he going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/895">TS</a>]

00:14:56   important and there's no explanation for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/896">TS</a>]

00:14:58   why he's important and in the end in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/898">TS</a>]

00:15:00   next to last chapter doll realizes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/900">TS</a>]

00:15:03   something that is scalzi pulling it back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/903">TS</a>]

00:15:07   we've been reading this narrative all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/907">TS</a>]

00:15:09   along this book and and you know you buy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/909">TS</a>]

00:15:12   into the premise that they're controlled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/912">TS</a>]

00:15:13   by the TV writers because that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/913">TS</a>]

00:15:15   the story is about in the last chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/915">TS</a>]

00:15:17   scalzi undercuts that completely and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/917">TS</a>]

00:15:20   says it all realizes that he's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/920">TS</a>]

00:15:23   protagonist of a different narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   which is the book that were reading and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   he asks his friend my to confirm this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   and says you know you have no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/929">TS</a>]

00:15:31   purpose you just kind of you've never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/931">TS</a>]

00:15:33   been hurt you have no reason to be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/933">TS</a>]

00:15:35   and yet you're always around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/935">TS</a>]

00:15:37   I think your purpose is to confirm to me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/937">TS</a>]

00:15:40   whether this is true which the character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42   doesn't mess us now I gotta go because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/942">TS</a>]

00:15:44   i'm going to be on duty and he walks out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/944">TS</a>]

00:15:45   and and that's an amazing chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/945">TS</a>]

00:15:50   because that's really scalzi laying it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   all out there about like what it is to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/952">TS</a>]

00:15:54   write characters and what happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/954">TS</a>]

00:15:55   them when the book is over and is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   in everybody's imaginations and all is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/957">TS</a>]

00:16:01   the protagonist he's not this red shirt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   because he's the main character in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05   novel that everybody at that point who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/965">TS</a>]

00:16:07   you know has read the entire novel with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/967">TS</a>]

00:16:09   him as the protagonist so that's a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   ending up on its own without the code is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/971">TS</a>]

00:16:14   and of course it's cuz you can't resist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/974">TS</a>]

00:16:16   because he is a very funny writer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/976">TS</a>]

00:16:17   and this is a funny book but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/977">TS</a>]

00:16:20   you can't resist one last joke which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/980">TS</a>]

00:16:21   that doll walks out too and they live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/981">TS</a>]

00:16:24   happily ever after until six months [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/984">TS</a>]

00:16:25   later where the ship is hit by an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/985">TS</a>]

00:16:27   asteroid and everybody dies and then no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/987">TS</a>]

00:16:30   no just can't handle a specialized [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/990">TS</a>]

00:16:31   chapter is not just I'm just messing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/991">TS</a>]

00:16:34   with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/994">TS</a>]

00:16:34   that's I really live happily ever after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/994">TS</a>]

00:16:37   a minute when i read that next batch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/997">TS</a>]

00:16:39   it's where the book will make me laugh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/999">TS</a>]

00:16:40   heartily laughs out loud and that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:43   chapter i was i was laughing that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:46   really funny but that that's right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:49   mean it's it's they're not real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:51   he could kill them and it doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1011">TS</a>]

00:16:52   and and yet it does matter because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:54   you've invested something in these in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:57   these characters and I I realized my one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:59   level this is completely kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:01   ridiculously a self-referential thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:04   that he does but but he did it never you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:08   know it never seemed cheap it never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:10   seemed funny to me it never seemed like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:11   he was not taking the reader and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:15   character seriously and I guess that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:16   why I I didn't you know I didn't ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:19   sour on the on the premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1039">TS</a>]

00:17:22   well you know I thought the book um for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   the redemption for me was i I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   was sort of cute like okay so that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:29   first part most the large part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   novel before the the code is coming with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   Jerry no significant enough in their own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:36   um I enjoyed it but I felt it was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:38   extended premise and I thought he took [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:40   the promises he went to the full extent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:42   it could be i've read the same thing I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:45   feel like in less clever form without [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1065">TS</a>]

00:17:47   the science-fiction aspect but examining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:49   the notion of that for instance Muriel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:51   Sparks novel the comforters written in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:54   publisher 1957 examine this idea at some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:57   depth in which shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   Wow right I novelist starts hearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:02   voices the sound of typewriter realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:03   it's exactly her life being you know led [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:05   so it's not a new idea and I think some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:09   people writing about this thought wow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:11   what a great idea to have a meta novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:12   like it's not original like okay we know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14   that's not original but I felt I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:16   know I felt that kind of played out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   little far there's a lot of you know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:21   wanted the one character walks into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:22   bar and sees a version of another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:26   character it was killed who's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1106">TS</a>]

00:18:27   bartender in a bit part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   on the show at some point as that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   character is killed oh yeah that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:32   really that's really touching and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:34   know they have a more moment and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:36   scalzi writes those moments well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:38   though what saved it for me what pull [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:41   the whole thing together i think was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:42   third coda which is a beautiful story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:45   told very warmly and almost stands alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:48   like you almost don't need the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:49   rest of the book right for that story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:52   but i think it benefits from it and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:54   think for some level sort of warmed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:56   rest of the story for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:57   yes so so I'm glad you brought that up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   one of the things that happens is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:00   these one of its core of the Samba love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:03   red shirts that we meet I mean he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   need to do you know what what happens to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:09   red shirts right he needs to take a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1149">TS</a>]

00:19:10   character that's like fundamentally if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:12   you're gonna write a book like this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:13   gotta meet these characters and build [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:15   them up and then kill one of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:17   make it feel like it matters if even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:19   you don't care about them you care about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:21   how it affects the other characters that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:22   they're upset by it and he does that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:25   you know again it's kind of the price of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:27   admission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1167">TS</a>]

00:19:28   I'm end but then exactly what you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:32   is the thing about scalzi doing this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:34   like he does the baseline and you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:36   okay he did the baseline and that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:38   he just doesn't stop there he keeps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:39   going and so we get a scene when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41   back on earth there back in LA and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:45   meet the actor who played their friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:46   who died and its really emotional and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:49   upsetting and yet also happy in a way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:52   because he didn't die i guess right away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:56   um I and I thought that was brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58   right because it's not it made it made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:01   that all matter more that he died when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:04   he was a redshirt because it mattered to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   them and now you you see how their they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:08   emotionally react to seeing him again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10   and in real life and that's played out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   even further in the CODIS but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:14   that that you know the more I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1214">TS</a>]

00:20:16   about it the more I I just impressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:18   that that schools he had enough respect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:20   for his characters in his premise to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22   take it all the way and not do what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:25   think a letter writer would have done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:27   which is sort of fun it in and just hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:28   the notes and get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   yeah i think the as i said i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:31   code is elevated for me from a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1231">TS</a>]

00:20:35   summer reading you know put it down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:37   after you finish reading and maybe I'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:39   think about it a couple months now but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:41   the code is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:42   make it stick in my head and the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:44   the first Kota is funny the first Kota [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46   is really there just to make you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48   about it and again the you know i'm just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:50   messing with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:51   they lived happily ever after from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:53   writers point of view that's fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:55   so the first Kota is a a blog which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:59   funny because schools he himself has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:01   blog a blog from one of the writers of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:04   the intrepid who talks about his sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   descent into madness in a way when he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:09   realizes that all of the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:11   he's writing are causing sort of real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:13   people in another universe to live these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   things and he he become sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   paralyzed about killing them off and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:20   bosses are upset because the drama isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:23   as good when he's trying to protect his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   characters which again is an interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   comment from a rider to say and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30   thought that was really funny because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:31   you know he he tries to throw in all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:34   his knowledge of what it's like to be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:36   two to be a writer on the internet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   have people reading and commenting and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:40   trying to figure out what you know his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:42   secrets that he's trying to keep they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:44   kind of figure them all out because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:46   gives two in much information away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:49   you know I thought that was I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:50   that was really funny while also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:51   exploring this whole idea that well if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1311">TS</a>]

00:21:53   this premise is true wouldn't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:54   mess you up as a writer you think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:57   paralyzing when you you know you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:59   actually hold the little roll power of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:01   life and death although you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:03   there's sort of a stick which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:05   the people from the future from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:08   intrepid come to the past but once they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1328">TS</a>]

00:22:10   go back you know there's not that same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:13   connection like the inos intellectually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   there's a connection these people in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:16   future is affecting their real lives but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:18   at the same time you know what I'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   to come back again and say look you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:21   doing again what are you doing to us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:23   another sort of the and if he stops [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:24   running the show they continue to exist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:27   apparently so there is some level that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:28   is want to show cancelled as well is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:30   that making just keep on going on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:32   yeah they can make their own future yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:33   I mean there's another part of nervous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1353">TS</a>]

00:22:35   too is like there's another story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:36   there's so many stories embedded in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:37   is that the producer of the show or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:41   see the showrunner who's a son is in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:44   motorcycle accident and the right part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:47   on the show so they arranged this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1367">TS</a>]

00:22:49   know this incredibly elaborate swap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:50   where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:51   I only profiling by doing that you stand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:54   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:55   hope that uh huhs the son's future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:58   duplicate is in a good shape that if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1378">TS</a>]

00:23:01   they leave the you take the future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:04   duplicate weight in the past so wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:06   what happens basically just do a swap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08   they say you you are now going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:11   this person and because we say your this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13   person you're going to be that person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:15   and everything saved the idea being that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:18   you know the universe that is created [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:21   these weird sort of parallel future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:24   past world's doesn't realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:27   because you know one is an actor and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:30   is a real person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:31   hey they still have a hundred percent of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:32   the same DNA so if i take the one who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   crazy crippled in a coma and then we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:36   tell the other one here you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:38   stay here and you're going to be in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   coma I'll we can take and then have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:43   hey an episode written in the narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:45   that says oh we fix this guy's you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:48   horrible motorcycle accident you never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:51   going to wake up from his you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:54   vegetable state we just write a end-all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57   be-all fix for that then he's going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:59   be magically well in the future and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:01   consciousnesses will try and verse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:04   bodies and everything will be alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06   well that's clear sciences yeah I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:09   India what's this right is that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1449">TS</a>]

00:24:11   supposedly i mean i'll explain their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:14   pieces of the book right that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   science is not important just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18   goes as it will it's true although he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:19   did a lot of waving hands to make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   particular thing work but then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:23   realize later that that's why the code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:25   is is you know the code is our first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:26   person second person third person the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:28   first person is the writer the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:30   person is this guy the kid some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:32   writer who's been in a coma and it's are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:35   rediscovering his life using the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:38   know very difficult to write in second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40   person narrative approach and the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:42   person is the actress who portrays the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:47   Jenkins the guy hiding in the w our last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   on his wife was killed for a plot point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   which is what led him to discover the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   narrative that this is the actress that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   he never met his Jenkins doesn't go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   in time but one of the characters are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:59   first-person narrative in the main part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1499">TS</a>]

00:25:01   of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:01   brings back some memories to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:04   actress even though you know she knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06   it can't be hers she doesn't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:07   full explanation but you know somehow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:09   there's another version of herself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:10   identical that had this life with other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:13   person that was ended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:14   yeah that's an amazing piece of writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:16   that's what I love that kota it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:19   beautifully not like you so you can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:20   that coded by itself but he had to set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:21   all this up here to give jet mean so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:23   there's the joke right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:24   he gave Jenkins a sort of ridiculous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26   character he gave Jenkins an enormous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:28   amount of backstory in the narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   more than made sense and he gave him the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   backstory so we'd have we care for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   Jenkins so that when he brought the coda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   in later that right actually makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   for us to feel bad you know you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:41   there's where scholars he's talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:42   about life itself is that God the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   universe whatever cuts short some life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:46   for its narrative purposes and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48   in life that's maybe the random forces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:51   are God's great plan in the book it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1551">TS</a>]

00:25:52   disgusting doing it but he's still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   dicking with you and then go to three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:57   you see what the what the impact is on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:00   human life you know when certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   arbitrary decision has happened and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:04   she's been one removed from that she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   third-person observer of this and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   still has that impact and it has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   beautiful rediscovery at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:13   well it's the emotional impact two of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1573">TS</a>]

00:26:15   the death of this character that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:18   it by the end John Scalzi makes you care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:19   deeply about a red shirt who died which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:22   is this guy Jenkins his wife who is dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:25   by the time we meet him but and and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:28   was in this actress who played her was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:30   in like one episode of the show and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:33   you know she was important and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:35   important but he didn't die and she died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:37   and it was to serve a plot point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1597">TS</a>]

00:26:40   that's what red shirts are all about is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   deaths to serve plot points and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:45   of course if it was that person had a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:48   life and a family and their death [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   doesn't matter for the show but it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:51   matter deeply to you know in reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:54   when somebody dies like that it means a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   lot to a lot of people and so by the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:59   here we have this character who is we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   never even saw who wasn't important and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:04   who died but was important to somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   who we did meet and it becomes this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   really deeply affecting story based on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   this character who you know was in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   scene and died in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   me show called back to among others of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:16   course is the notion that these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:18   exist solely to serve a plot point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:21   more in the mothers worries that her use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:24   of the magic in that novels world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   creates all the people necessary to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:29   populate the reading group that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   wants to have right well I mean writers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   do like writing stories about writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   right and about narratives and about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:36   storytelling because it's what they know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:38   when they and you can you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:40   self-indulgent this is a bizarre book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:42   and it is about those things and yet I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   ultimately I like I mean I guess I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   saying the same thing which is that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   could have really been a disaster and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:50   wasn't and he's to be credited for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1670">TS</a>]

00:27:52   making lots of really good choices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:55   caking his story seriously so that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1675">TS</a>]

00:27:57   didn't become a disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:59   maybe we never never would've thought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01   was a disaster and he he took his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:03   premise and and started writing it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:05   then said oh ho I i think i've got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1685">TS</a>]

00:28:07   direction i can take this that that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   that will be good and I I think he did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:12   pretty good job but it's not my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:13   of his books by a long shot but and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:17   bizarre it's one of the weirder books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   I've ever read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:20   I would actually have to say because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   is it's it's we haven't even talked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:23   about how you know I oh man the college [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:26   papers that are going to be written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:27   about this book because there's so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:29   in it that is you know it's it's almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:31   like pop philosophy in a way because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:33   there's so much sort of existentialism [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:36   in this book right it's like what does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:37   it mean to be alive and what is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   meaning of life and are our life stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:42   written by other people or written by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   ourselves and I mean you know take those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   college students though some ideas for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:48   papers for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1728">TS</a>]

00:28:49   well i think that there's also case we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:50   made the thing that room was talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52   about earlier that you can read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:53   book to like you could read this book as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:56   a is just the sort of lights i read i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:57   pick it up you read the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   there's the kicker chapter 24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   haha was just screwing with you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   every we're all fine before you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05   kotas and you can read the codes and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07   confused and say I don't get them you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:09   know I don't get this but the first part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1749">TS</a>]

00:29:11   of the book was sort of clever and fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1751">TS</a>]

00:29:12   and get it full space stuff and doubles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   and time travel that's great and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:16   completely ignore Dakotas and to say I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:19   don't get this one seems extra these are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:20   like postscript don't know these need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:23   you know what I think the Dakotas make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:25   the book oh yeah i mean i agree i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:27   mean people could miss read the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:28   though easily oh yeah i mean i guess i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   guess i could see that but at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   time I almost see this book as something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:34   which is almost like Ray Bradbury ask [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:37   where you have the light-hearted science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:39   fiction and then the undercurrents of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:42   you know there's so much about the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   half of this book that's so wildly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:47   scientifically inaccurate so many you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:49   know crazy things not respond that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:52   grounds the small stories of the qoutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:54   so much more like I think it was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:57   were saying earlier Jason about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1797">TS</a>]

00:30:00   or maybe it was Glenn about the code is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1800">TS</a>]

00:30:02   sort of resembling a short story that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04   you kind of need the first half of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06   book for background on and it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:09   interesting looking at them that way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:10   that I mean kota three you know could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:14   very well be a short story on its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16   but because we have sort of the sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:18   caper in front it actually works like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:23   it ties it cohesive Lee together whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:25   before like if i adjust red coat of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1825">TS</a>]

00:30:28   three and a science fiction anthology or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1828">TS</a>]

00:30:30   something like that I would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:31   like oh this is a you know this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:33   interesting short story but I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:36   really feel the sort of gut punch as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:39   do having gone through the first half of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41   the book for the call another one for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:42   the college students is you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   totally true these these stories at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:46   end the code is at the end don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:48   the impact or wouldn't have the impact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1848">TS</a>]

00:30:49   were it not for the story that comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:51   before and since this is a story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:54   these characters on a television show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:57   I have to say you know you can think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:00   it that way that that some stories need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   a lot of setup before you get to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:05   story and knowing the characters or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08   having good in this world for a while as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   the thing that gives them impact and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:11   that's what TV shows do really well and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:13   it in a way the novel does exist to set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:17   up that story and that story would not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   be strong without the novel being there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   and so because we understand how this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:23   world works and what has happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1883">TS</a>]

00:31:25   previously then that story really works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:28   and and you know again there's a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:30   another college paper waiting to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:33   somebody wants to write some literature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:36   papers about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:36   john scalzi Scott what did you think of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:39   of Richard's it as our a voracious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   reader and at a Star Trek fan too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:44   well you I didn't want to try min since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:47   everyone was a you know express a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   praise for the book and sadly you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:53   think that I am the ideal candidate or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   not this book immensely i love start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   drink so that's that's a checkbox I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:00   john scalzi so that's that's a check [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:02   right i enjoy when writers write about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:05   writing and include themselves as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1925">TS</a>]

00:32:08   characters and then you know think about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   the narrative and that's all what this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:13   book is about but it did not work at all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:15   for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:16   ah I mean it why shouldn't they didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   work at all for me I thought it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:19   fun read but I thought it was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:22   like a bubble all surface [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:25   I didn't really think that he really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:27   delved into these ideas very much i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   think the problem there are two problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:31   ah that made it didn't work for me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:34   they're both obviously subjective right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:36   so the biggest one is humor right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1956">TS</a>]

00:32:38   humor is so difficult to write because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:41   everybody has different sense of humor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:42   and I the the humor in the book just did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:46   not work for me at all I didn't like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:48   last chapter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:49   Oh cheap when he said you know they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51   all dead and then haha just kidding that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:54   did i did laugh at that I just thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:55   that's a giant rip off and I hate you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:58   haha and i didn't believe in that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:03   didn't care about the characters so if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:05   you don't care about the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:06   Dakota's don't really work because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:11   didn't care about what happened and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   the having more information about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   didn't really matter to me i obviously I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:19   appreciate what he was trying to do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/1999">TS</a>]

00:33:22   it just did not work at all for me and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:26   think that another example of kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:29   like the metaphysical talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   story things that did work for me is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   there's an author called Paul Auster who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:36   is a like one of the Giants of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   post-modernism and he wrote that the New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:40   York trilogy which is fantastic one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:42   my favorite novels ever and it's all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:44   about it's kind of a detective story but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2024">TS</a>]

00:33:47   really it's a story about the story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:48   paul auster is a character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:50   it and he's writing the book but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:51   also in it so it's free it's kind of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:53   same area that skull sees a working with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:57   but obviously not with the syfy twist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2037">TS</a>]

00:33:59   and it's unfair to compare Paul Auster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:04   and Jonathan's calls because they're you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:06   know they're completely different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:07   writers obviously in there they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:09   trying completely different things but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2049">TS</a>]

00:34:12   it just it i kept comparing it to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:14   book and it would fall short as would i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:16   think ninety-eight percent of the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:18   written fall short of that margins that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:20   that mark so it's unfair obviously but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:23   didn't really work for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   Wow is the short version of that server [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:29   no I think your criticism as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:30   because it's it's this is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   things i like about the book to is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:34   there's so much in it there's so much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:37   like dislike or critique he's packed so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:39   much and I think you came down on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:42   downside of a lot of things that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:43   rest of us may have found as more up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:45   properties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:46   yeah and I can totally see the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   side I can see how as i was reading this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   I was thinking I could be enjoying his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:53   stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:53   how dare you your points are equally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55   parallel you know exactly what I was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   I i was sad that I wasn't enjoying it as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2097">TS</a>]

00:35:00   much as I i knew i could be but just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:02   there was something that just didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:04   work for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:05   you have to admit he this could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:06   been really really bad though it was not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2106">TS</a>]

00:35:09   it was not bad at all it was not I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:12   think its failure i think it he did he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:16   took the idea and when interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:18   places with it just at it overall it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:21   not work for me but i think that it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2121">TS</a>]

00:35:23   it was it an attempt that was ambitious [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:28   and certainly didn't crash and burn it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:31   just was like I was just mad about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:33   and yeah i'm not going to nominate it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2133">TS</a>]

00:35:35   for you or anything right eye and I but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:38   i think i would I do wonder how much of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:39   my reaction to it was just sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   relief that it was not the terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:42   thing that I kind of envision that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:44   might be that that he was i I like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:47   said i really admire that he fully [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49   committed to his premise and just kept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   going with it and kept exploring it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:53   think you're right that it's not as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   funny as it could be into individually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:58   although i did like the ending I I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:01   I was totally suckered by that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   I I laughed so I i took it the other way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05   and that it was a ripoff but that's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   it was a it was kind of a funny a funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:10   joke but but i did find the last the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:13   Dakotas affecting and that I and I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:17   Wren said this to I think that can put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:19   it over the top for me into the I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:21   two categories to hit his effort in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:23   trying to commit fully commit to his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:24   premise and then the fact that at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:27   end you you you know i did like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:30   characters on you know on earth on our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:33   current planet Earth who are affected by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:35   this crazy science fictional premise in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37   a real human way I like that about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:40   you know so that those are the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:42   that that made me like it but you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:45   I see where you're coming from Scott I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   think there are plenty of things that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:48   have issue with here it's certainly not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   his best work by a long shot i mean it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53   might even be his worst novel but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:56   liked all his novels so what did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2216">TS</a>]

00:36:59   like the androids dream because this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:01   reminds me of uh that's the 1i haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   that's the 1i have a red that's the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:05   1i haven't read it sitting on it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:06   little bit of a hot mess i mean i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:07   going to say like red shirts is a is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   positive version of that in that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   when she pulls everything together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   his dream it's like it's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   interesting funny ideas that they stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   two duffel bag and shook so it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   little inconvenient but it's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:23   there's a lot of plot in it and to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25   of make a joke about philip k dick book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:28   at some point you know that's that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:29   part of the whole point of this large [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:32   joke of the book but yeah that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:35   should you should read that could lead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:36   to read involves animal husbandry i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:40   gotta say i'm actually just as a side [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:43   note this retirement john scalzi waited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   a whole podcast about him a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:48   worried about john scalzi honestly i-i-i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:51   like him I like many of his novels i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:55   think his blog is really interesting i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   a little worried that he is he is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2277">TS</a>]

00:38:01   focused on the things that make him a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2281">TS</a>]

00:38:05   good writer and he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:08   I mean what I said earlier about stunts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:10   i mean he did this book which is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:14   wacky high-concept thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:17   and he you know he quit himself ok right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:19   or or not if you're Scott uh he don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:24   regret reading it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:25   he did he did he did a fuzzy nation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:28   which again I kinda liked although I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:29   actually read the original and thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:33   it was better than fuzzy nation was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   heated shadow or the night dragons he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:37   doing this I guess I was like a serial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:38   novel thing on tor.com he i just i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:43   wonder if he is you know it is he not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:48   focusing on the things that made him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2328">TS</a>]

00:38:50   successful in the beginning with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:52   writing these novels like old man's war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2332">TS</a>]

00:38:54   and and that series and has become [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:58   almost like a you know the internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:01   celebrity sci-fi writer who does crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:04   you know high-concept projects instead I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:09   don't know III because I I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   he's done a lot of those lately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   well this is more ready player one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   is old man's war that's for sure that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:18   true and i asked see him read a report [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:21   for this book and I kind of got that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:23   it i I'm sure he's a lovely man he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2363">TS</a>]

00:39:25   seemed very personable but I I got the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:28   sense that he was really really enjoying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:32   his internet celebrity which of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:34   you know he should and he should enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:35   his success uh and who am I to judge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:38   what he does sure he's he's far more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2378">TS</a>]

00:39:42   successful than I am so who would he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44   doesn't care what I think but I was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:45   got a weird vibe from the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:48   yeah he got the Wil Wheaton reading its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:49   audiobook and he's got the jonathan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   coulton doing a song for his you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:54   for it for the novel there's like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   redshirt song there is it's cute but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2396">TS</a>]

00:40:00   it feels like you know how is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   nerds on the internet love that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:05   right but I I part of me feels like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:08   it can be really insular and and you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2408">TS</a>]

00:40:12   risk believe in you if you believe your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:14   own PR uh-huh and you risk disappearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:17   up your own backside and I worried about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   that with john scalzi know that's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   the point at which you know at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   reading I was like oh this is not good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:24   because obviously you're doing reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:27   people go there who like you right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:29   it's kind of an easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:30   the crowd and I got it he was getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:34   lot less and he he wrote this dialogue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:37   things set in the red church universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:40   about a lawyer suing the United Union uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:45   you know on part at under labor laws and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:48   trying to get a settlement for it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:50   and so he wrote this thing so he could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:51   do it at various readings and he told [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:55   people it secret don't tell anybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:56   about it whatever and you know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:58   mildly amusing but people were laughing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:01   their heads off like this was the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   insanely funny thing they've ever heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:06   which i think if you kind of if you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:09   not you know set yourself in your mind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:12   okay this is a very amenable audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:15   and perhaps this isn't as funny as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:17   would be elsewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   you might start believing your own hype [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:21   well this is the Woodstock implosion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:24   it's that you have a very large audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:27   of people who have now found their sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:29   of arch semi Ron a ironic an erotic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:33   crowd so you've got my fallen storm and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:37   wil wheaton and john scalzi and a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:39   bunch of other people Felicia Day like 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:41   everyone is working at everyone else's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2501">TS</a>]

00:41:43   projects everyone involved in it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2503">TS</a>]

00:41:46   you can't critique it from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2506">TS</a>]

00:41:47   standpoint of popularity because all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   these people are achieving a measure of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   Fame beyond a geek subculture or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:54   know both you know by any measure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:56   they're making money they're getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:58   popular they're leeching into mainstream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   culture but it is a Woodstock Oh sphere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:03   you know echo chamber that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:05   threatening to swallow us all into a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:07   singularity of 8-bit graphics now it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2527">TS</a>]

00:42:10   not beyond know that that's a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   loss of perspective it is concentrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   nerd subculture but it's not beyond it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:17   was a black is black hole so it's simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19   it's super narrow nerds appealing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:24   other nerds and you know it's great the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   redshirts got the marketing that it did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:28   and it's great that it is that John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   Scalzi sold a lot of copies of it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   than his other books but he's got a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:33   of other books that are better and my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:36   head that sort of the root of my concern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:37   is it would be a damn shame if people as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:40   talented as john scalzi and some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:42   other people that we mentioned here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2562">TS</a>]

00:42:43   I know not a damn shame that they can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:46   make a living by serving that nerd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:48   audience but i think a damn shame if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   they are that they kind of turn inward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:53   and are only trying to serve that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:55   audience and not trying to serve ya a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:57   broader audience and think more broadly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   and that's Michael I'm sorry that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:01   we go that's why I'm calling an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:02   implosion is that there's a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:03   artists facing inward in that circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2583">TS</a>]

00:43:05   were actually doing quite well within [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:06   some of it leaks out you know so expects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2586">TS</a>]

00:43:09   suspect escapes the Woodstock black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:12   heroes fears and but so the broader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   culture but i think there is a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   inward turning I mean Jonathan Coulton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:17   an interesting case you've forgotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   episode two of you talk to him but his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:21   music can be broadly appealing although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   it has a narrower appeal to a particular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:26   niche audience as well that made the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:28   following much more closely and then it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:29   joins not big enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   he doesn't have to appeal I mean this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:32   like the louis ck thing or all of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:34   things is a point at which you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   have to appeal outward and do stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   may be more challenging and difficult or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:40   be interesting to a group outside of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42   insular part and i think there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:43   danger there as you say I like I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:46   it hasn't really happened yet but yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48   feel like see a lot more of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:49   everyone pointing to each other in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:51   circle and you know outside that circle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:53   are 10 million people with dollar bills [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   and there's nothing wrong with was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:57   saying I could make a i can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:58   living i found an audience and I could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   make a living at this i mean i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:01   that's fantastic that people like like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:04   Jonathan Coulton can can make a living [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:06   because they found even though they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:07   not broadly popular they have found an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:10   audience big enough that loves them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:11   enough to support them i think that'd be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13   great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:13   artistically it bothers me because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:16   feel like that leads to this sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:19   video potential you're just you i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:21   my audience and I know what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2661">TS</a>]

00:44:23   and I'm not saying that that that like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:25   Holden would do this but it would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:27   very easy for jonathan coulton I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2667">TS</a>]

00:44:28   heard him when he was on with Merlin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   Mann on Marlins podcast he talked about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:31   the you know the archetypal jonathan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2671">TS</a>]

00:44:34   coulton song and you know you could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:35   can do a paint-by-numbers jonathan [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   coulton song fairly easily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   it might it be as good as his but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:41   know I at if I if he's an artist that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43   like I want to see him stretch himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   and and push himself and and Scotty I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:47   worried is is you know he's had a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2687">TS</a>]

00:44:50   projects recently then I'm not so sure I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:52   think they're like more high-concept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:53   appealing to the to the masses who love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:56   him and may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:57   he not trying to push himself further [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2697">TS</a>]

00:44:59   and hey you know if if you can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   living doing that that's great but as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:03   consumer of your work I i would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:05   see you not be kind of in this insular [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:08   you know in insular nervous fear I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:11   you hit with high concept to its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2711">TS</a>]

00:45:12   something i mean that's that deal right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:13   is like high concept means you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   describe it in shorter than elevator [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   ride between two floors you know why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   after you while you're walking up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:20   flights three stairs three steps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:22   redshirts novel on it's like red shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:25   i wonder if that's what bothered you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:26   about it initially bothered me a bit too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:28   was you like the title of the book tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:31   you what it's going to be about and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:32   the book turns out not to entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34   confirm our worst fears [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:37   it's like a relief and the respect and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   uh he uh i'm scott i'm usually you in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:42   this scenario so I the book is entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:45   from reviewers really the words red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:48   shirts and the knowledge he writes about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:50   science fiction tells you what you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:51   the books me about and everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   elaboration and it's much better and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   more subtle than that you worried that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:56   someone can just do a call-out you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:59   hey i'm going to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:00   you-know-what back since we call you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:02   know you worry that the whole thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:04   becomes call-outs shoutouts right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:09   no I think that's it I mean and again I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:10   don't wanna die I think it's great that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:12   people love Woodstock and people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2772">TS</a>]

00:46:15   know people love wil wheaton and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:16   love Jonathan Coulton and they love but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   I don't know that I want that I want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:19   that culture to creep after I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:21   when you when everybody's on a cruise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:23   ship you know it's all hot cocoa crews [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2783">TS</a>]

00:46:26   and Woodstock and things like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:27   I think it's great inside there and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:29   also wanted to be already validated but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:32   i wanted to be a this is where we were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:34   talking on episode 100 of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   incomparable about organization and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:38   genre ghettos and so forth it's against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2798">TS</a>]

00:46:40   the same thing you want you don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2800">TS</a>]

00:46:42   the stuff you like necessarily to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:43   entirely trapped inside of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:45   self-perpetuating hermetic means that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:47   only people right steep themselves so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:50   fully in the culture can understand you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2810">TS</a>]

00:46:52   wanna be able to talk to other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:53   about this stuff too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:54   yeah and if it becomes so insular that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   it's great if everybody can make a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:57   living at it but I I'm not really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2817">TS</a>]

00:46:59   ultimately not interested in reading a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2819">TS</a>]

00:47:01   novel by a person who is only interested [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:03   in making references to the circle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:06   people that we all know and are all I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:08   mean at some point it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2828">TS</a>]

00:47:10   yeah it's just disappointing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:11   depressing and I saw you know I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:13   gonna buy my new novel called Colton day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:16   wheaton the eternal trilogy yeah okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:20   well ya around ready player to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   reconnoiter to that's my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:26   yeah I don't know I that that's a that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:29   it's just if it's just a feeling little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2849">TS</a>]

00:47:31   spider sense the back that it's just so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2851">TS</a>]

00:47:34   I hope John Scalzi while he's he should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:36   make money and as much of it as he as he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2856">TS</a>]

00:47:38   can and he should do he should follow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:41   his bliss but I hope you know I hope he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:45   continues to challenge himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:46   creatively and not just kind of pander [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:47   to the to the audience that is a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:51   smaller and more insular and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:53   but hey you Richard sold really well so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:56   maybe I did maybe not be red shirts to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2876">TS</a>]

00:48:00   shadow war the night dragons which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:02   read because it was a hugo nominee you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04   know it's funny but at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   it's really just kind of a terry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:07   pratchett riff it felt like a lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   chapter from a charity project novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:12   yeah I read that whatever that the short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:15   story and and you when you compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   the other nominated short stories you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   think why why yeah why is this here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:22   oii so any Hugo's you can you can vote [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:24   no award is one of the options and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:29   can rank them it's a ranked choice votes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:30   you can have six votes if there are five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:32   nominees and that means you can insert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   no award in the middle and say below [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:38   here if these are the only ones left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:41   I vote to not have an award which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:43   great because it's the fu of of award [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2923">TS</a>]

00:48:46   voting it's hilarious in the best novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:49   category you might put no award above [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   deadline by mere grant just an example [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:54   and not saying that's how I voted that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   how about it and 44 short story for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2936">TS</a>]

00:49:00   short story i voted i voted no word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:03   above shadow or the night dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:04   because it doesn't fit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:05   it's a joke and I'm actually really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   concerned that because people like John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:09   Scalzi he's gonna get the award today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2949">TS</a>]

00:49:11   he's a nice guy and he is he's funny and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:13   he's got his website and that's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2953">TS</a>]

00:49:14   and in no it's not appropriate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:19   it doesn't fit it's a it's a funny joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2959">TS</a>]

00:49:22   that's really a terry pratchett parody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:25   sort of and no now yeah and I mean there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:28   are some of the short stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:30   denominators are just absolutely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:31   beautiful and that yes I it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:34   shame for a joke to win it would be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:38   joke for a shame to win but still if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:40   it's a well-crafted joke i think it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:43   its on its own merits I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:44   necessarily think it should win either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:45   but it's I think writing it off as aid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:49   in April Fool's Day prank rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:52   looking at it as I mean the story as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:54   good as far as farcical as it is is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:58   I mean it's a I I thought it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:01   funny but really you know again like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:04   said I felt like a terry pratchett kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   of thing to me and just a chapter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   there were some jokes in it and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   funny but i don't know i mean it was it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:12   didn't feel some of those short stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3012">TS</a>]

00:50:16   are really kind of beautiful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:17   spectacular and then this was you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:19   an internet joke that was mildly funny I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:21   I just don't i don't know i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   they measure up at all maybe they need a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:25   new category that's like best internet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:27   joke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:29   yeah I mean I don't necessarily think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:31   that the story is better than the rest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:33   of the short stories out there for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:35   Hugo's but it's just I I'm reticent to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:38   disqualify something just because it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40   written for the internet or written as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:43   joke or something like that you know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:44   would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:45   it's it's not as good a story as the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:47   other short stories there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   yeah but that's why it should not when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51   the Huguenots that it was already fools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   project i don't know if it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   beautifully written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:57   Joe could that through you know on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3057">TS</a>]

00:51:00   well I guess it all goes to what do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   think is a why should something a hero [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:05   right so if it's just because it's fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   to read and popular then sure that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:10   get the you go if you think that it's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:11   award for you know the craft writing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:15   you know how you know how well-written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:18   something is and how it affects you then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:21   I think that that probably shouldn't win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:23   Hugo yeah of course I guess it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:26   popularity contest when it comes down to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:27   it so maybe we'll so before we go I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:30   wanted to just very quickly go around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:33   the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:34   room and asked my favorite uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:37   book club question which is what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:41   reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:42   Scott McNulty what are you doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:45   oh I i'm reading a book yay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:48   really it's an actual physical book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:51   I got oh there's this building that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   the books in it you can take it out free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   and it's not theft so wow it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:59   exciting so I read there's a new book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   this that just came out called sharps by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:03   an author called KJ parker who had never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:07   heard of but they were really marketing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   this sharps book so i bought it with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:13   some google credit that I had from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:16   google play store and i read it and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3136">TS</a>]

00:52:17   thought was really good so that led me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   to want to read another one of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:22   person's books i was going to say her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3142">TS</a>]

00:52:23   but KJ parker is a pen name and that no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:26   one knows who this person is or what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   their sex is so i am currently reading a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:32   book by KJ parker called devices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   desires about basically an engineer who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:38   is kicked out of his City because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:42   created an abomination which meant that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:45   he built and a little toy outside of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:49   specification agreed-upon specifications [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3169">TS</a>]

00:52:52   of the guild so they were going to kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54   him he escapes and it's all about how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:56   he's going to exact revenge upon the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:59   city through a very complicated means [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:02   one imagines in the trilogy this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:03   first book in the trilogy so we will see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:06   how it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:09   from the library mhm it came from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12   library [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:12   very nice serenity Caldwell what are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:16   reading I'm reading several things also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   from the library is the new place that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:21   moved into the library is three blocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:23   from so I feel like it's a cardinal sin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:26   if i don't go check out books at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:27   once a week we love what I have actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:30   I've never read the dark is rising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   series so despite being young adults and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:35   despite me having should have having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   read it like 10 years ago I picked it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:39   because I'm like I have been meaning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3219">TS</a>]

00:53:41   read this and this seems like it could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3221">TS</a>]

00:53:42   be interesting summer reading despite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44   the fact that it's set in christmas time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:45   I so I have that on my on my I'd say my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3225">TS</a>]

00:53:50   bedside table but really it's a floating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:52   bookshelf in my doorway because i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54   have room for a bedside table in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:56   studio so that's sitting on my floating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:58   bookshelf as well as stranger in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:00   strange land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:01   it's a it's a catch-up time yeah i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:05   using the summer as catch-up time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   books that I have been meaning to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09   but haven't read yet and i just finished [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:11   Joe Waltons uh half half penny what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:17   the series called Scott like the small [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:19   small small change will change yeah I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:23   keep on thinking of its other name where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:25   it's like a a brief look at fascism or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3265">TS</a>]

00:54:28   something codes to fascism but that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:33   just finished reading the third book in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:34   that series and that is a really lovely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:36   technology for people who haven't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:38   we're going to do a book club about that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3278">TS</a>]

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00:54:43   we should do that we should we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   quorum of people who have read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:46   yep I'm with the third one yet but I'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:48   be more than happy to I just wish you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   know depressed enough by the first to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:51   I thought I'd leave it out there for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:52   little while the third one is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3292">TS</a>]

00:54:54   good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:54   alright i liked it i'll read it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:57   what are you reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:58   I will have an epic couple months of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:01   work and in which work is occupied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:05   have you read nothing my waking hours so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   I red red shirts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:08   I'm actually reading i think the closest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3308">TS</a>]

00:55:11   thing to an appropriate book that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:13   reading is the Phantom Tollbooth which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:14   i'm reading aloud to my five and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:17   seven and a fraction almost eight year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3317">TS</a>]

00:55:20   old alma ATA adore it's a 51-year old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:23   book it's a lovely book everything is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   kid not totally getting it's fun to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:27   it as an adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:28   it is so horribly full of puns and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:31   mechanisms and synecdoche and silliness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:36   and Hungary and it's um it's a wonderful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:39   book and what's great is it works so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3339">TS</a>]

00:55:41   amazingly for kids when you're reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43   stuff that's really deep critique of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:46   language at some level and silly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:48   silly part comes through even when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:51   critique of society language freedom [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:53   patriarchal domination whenever when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:57   that parties requires more advanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3357">TS</a>]

00:55:59   years so i highly recommend that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:01   51-year old book delightful dice and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:04   hamburger is my favorite sort of buggery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   by the world hunger is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:08   acceptable form that doesn't get your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3368">TS</a>]

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00:56:14   finished a talent for war by jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:16   mcdevitt which is the first of his Alex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:19   Benedict series of novels which of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:22   course i have read all the others could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:25   save the first four last which is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   strange but I just sort of fell into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   those books and they don't really need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   to be read in any order and that's you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:33   know I had to laugh because this in many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:34   ways is the archetypal McDevitt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:36   adventure novel they're fun big brought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:39   you know widescreen space adventure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:41   novels this is Benedict is the Indiana [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:44   Jones of outer space he's a an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3404">TS</a>]

00:56:46   archaeologist who finds lost treasures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:49   throughout the galaxy and what's funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:53   about it is that McDevitt has his things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   that he has in every like every jack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   mcdevitt book somebody will munch on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   sandwich sandwiches will fit figure in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   the plot at some point there will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:03   asking of skimmers that they get around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:05   in there like little air cars there will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3425">TS</a>]

00:57:07   be a skimmer accident probably involving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   sabotage there will be a shocking moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:12   when one character is threatened by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:13   another character with a gun and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:16   will usually be something that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:18   planetside when they're down on a planet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:21   that threatens their ability to go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   to the the ship that's in orbit and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:25   swear you know four out of five of those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:28   things happen in every single one of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:29   novels and i love them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:30   but he's got his things that he does but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:33   I love that they're all these various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:34   planets and usually his plots involved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   you know we don't know why this person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:38   never came back but there may be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   there may be an undiscovered planet that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:42   they went to that's a secret or there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:44   may be a spaceship lost somewhere that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3464">TS</a>]

00:57:46   we could find and I i like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3466">TS</a>]

00:57:49   that kind of stuff and it's setting like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   the year 10,000 and so it's also very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:53   amusing because they keep investigating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3473">TS</a>]

00:57:55   ancient history and ancient history is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:57   still like the year eight thousand on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3477">TS</a>]

00:58:00   some planet somewhere where they've lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   all the records and that is really funny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:05   too so it's a it's a nice sort of light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:08   summer reading kind of thing that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:10   easy fun a sci-fi for the summer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:14   given that i'm also trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   through pretty do street station by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   China Mieville and boy i'm having the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20   devil of a time getting through that so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22   I i read an entire other book just to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:24   just to procrastinate and avoid reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:28   the pretty street station that stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:31   i've read that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:32   I've read that one too i wish i can read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:35   that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:36   I bet your life but this channel maybe I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3516">TS</a>]

00:58:37   shouldn't maybe should abandon it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:39   I don't know it's a big messy book much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:41   Glenn's been special review big messy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   book the payoff I is so horrible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:47   unsatisfying battery rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:50   sprawling book seems to be less useful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:52   in its nature you know me like a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:54   officers problems with the pay the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:55   payoff and i have to say that pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57   perdido street station set up an awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:00   lot for what crumbles into a pile of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:04   crud i recall band more and saying at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:06   one point that he felt like he had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3546">TS</a>]

00:59:09   take a shower after reading perdido [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:11   street station because he thought it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:12   so kind of dirty and gross and ugly and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:15   nasty yeah I feel the same way I felt I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3555">TS</a>]

00:59:18   felt covered with like undergrowth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   battled protraction city and this it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:24   like that was horrible was like you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:26   got like yeah Mary montreal i won't come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:30   off and maybe i will just give up like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3570">TS</a>]

00:59:32   street and if it paid off I'd be okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:34   with it but I just don't feel there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:36   characters and plots and pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:37   abandoned so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:38   much on the sides of the track that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:40   know you're like to have snow banks load [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:42   plot detritus as the train rumbles on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:45   yeah well okay well that got me totally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:48   up for that book there you go i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   save you 800 pages or something yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:52   pretty much pretty much all right well i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:55   am going to close up the incomparable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:57   book club for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:58   this edition will be back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   this edition will be back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   with another book hopefully soon maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   in fact we'll talk about those Joe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:03   waldenbooks that's a great idea i'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:05   we came up with it so until next time I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:08   want to thank my guests for reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:10   books because not everybody reads the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   books but these three people they read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   the book so Glenn fleischmann thank you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:16   very much for being here thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18   having me i read the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:19   yes you do that's what I said I said you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:22   read the books you read the books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   yes I read the books good we read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:27   books together sometimes already called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   well thank you for reading the books to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:30   you know I i love reading the books glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:34   that I have an excuse for reading the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:35   books besides my own love of books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   because it it accentuates the love of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39   books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:40   yeah I feel funny now when I when I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   not in the middle of a novel i feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:44   i'm getting horribly behind and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:46   incomparable book club will suffer panic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3646">TS</a>]

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01:00:51   and Scott McNulty nobody has read more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:53   books than Scott nobody's forgotten more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:55   books than scott magno I'm sure somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:57   others read more books than I have and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:59   have forgotten them as well but thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:01   you for this and no one in my sphere and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   my limited nerdo sphere as well more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:07   books they'll take back all right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:10   that brings us to the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3670">TS</a>]

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01:01:42   ok so here's an exercise what if he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:46   written it so the code is were the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:48   three parts of the book and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:50   sci-fi novel was the last part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:52   yeah no I don't think it would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:53   terrible to get your world no we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55   going to throw up before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:57   yeah yeah it would've been interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3717">TS</a>]

01:01:58   it would have been a very peculiar way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3718">TS</a>]

01:02:00   to do it but it's I mean it's peculiarly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:01   did as well but I mean you could read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:03   that way you can read the three coach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYwrAE8/3723">TS</a>]

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