The Incomparable

99: Convenience Store Clerk of Dune (A Summer Reading List)


00:00:00   the incomparable pod test number 99 july [TS]

00:00:10   welcome back everybody to be [TS]

00:00:12   uncomfortable podcast I'm your host [TS]

00:00:13   Jason snail and I am joined by a [TS]

00:00:15   fantastic panel today to create [TS]

00:00:17   something we're going to call the [TS]

00:00:19   incomparable summer reading list are you [TS]

00:00:21   somebody who lives in within hemisphere [TS]

00:00:23   if not we apologize but we all are so [TS]

00:00:26   we're going to say that it's summer and [TS]

00:00:28   we're going to come up with some [TS]

00:00:29   suggestions for books mostly sci-fi [TS]

00:00:32   novels but we may cheat a little bit [TS]

00:00:34   just things we like books we like we're [TS]

00:00:37   not going to go heavy into the spoilers [TS]

00:00:38   i think books we like that we think you [TS]

00:00:41   should read and at the end of this there [TS]

00:00:43   will be a wonderful list that will be [TS]

00:00:44   posted at five by five TV / incomparable [TS]

00:00:48   / 99 and it will be books that we at [TS]

00:00:52   least some of us endorse and think that [TS]

00:00:54   you should read if you haven't read them [TS]

00:00:56   yet it's that simple [TS]

00:00:57   and if you're saying to yourself this [TS]

00:00:58   sounds Jason a little bit like you're [TS]

00:01:00   doing a book draft but not calling it [TS]

00:01:02   that you are very clever person and also [TS]

00:01:05   very handsome i must say anyway [TS]

00:01:08   joining me today to draft some books and [TS]

00:01:11   talk about books we love our Dan Morgan [TS]

00:01:14   hi dan I Jason I'm glad to be [TS]

00:01:16   participating in this experiment in [TS]

00:01:18   literacy that's good we will let you [TS]

00:01:21   know the results one more time [TS]

00:01:22   Scott McNulty is also here of course [TS]

00:01:25   because he is the most well-read amongst [TS]

00:01:27   hi Scott [TS]

00:01:28   hello I'm also joined by serenity [TS]

00:01:31   Caldwell hi thanks for being here [TS]

00:01:33   yeah I'm happy to be here Jason I didn't [TS]

00:01:35   think I would be able to but I managed [TS]

00:01:37   to scrounge up some books [TS]

00:01:38   that's good just got in under the wire [TS]

00:01:39   and exactly and lex friedman is the [TS]

00:01:43   least read among us but no but he's here [TS]

00:01:45   anyway I'll I know I I don't think it's [TS]

00:01:48   fair to say the least read i will say [TS]

00:01:49   I'm the least qualified to appear on [TS]

00:01:51   this podcast I side up what it was just [TS]

00:01:53   a generic book draft but I still feel [TS]

00:01:55   confident that I can contribute [TS]

00:01:56   something at the very least the ability [TS]

00:01:59   to be mocked mercilessly [TS]

00:02:01   yes your confidence will be your undoing [TS]

00:02:03   you may you may be mocked for not being [TS]

00:02:05   key enough and that would make you [TS]

00:02:06   perhaps one of the first people to be [TS]

00:02:08   much so and also Glenn Fleischman is [TS]

00:02:10   here hi Glenn [TS]

00:02:12   hello [TS]

00:02:13   I have no German books on my list okay [TS]

00:02:15   and no Jermaine books that's also [TS]

00:02:18   correct I would be less good [TS]

00:02:20   alright so i am not going to be a cruel [TS]

00:02:23   taskmaster and force a draft order here [TS]

00:02:25   i'm going to just say the ground rules [TS]

00:02:27   are of course if somebody else picture [TS]

00:02:28   book you don't get to pick it but that's [TS]

00:02:30   okay we're all friends here you can just [TS]

00:02:32   you can file a concurring opinion so [TS]

00:02:34   yeah that's it that is a great book good [TS]

00:02:36   pic and when Glenn pics a book that [TS]

00:02:39   we've never heard of we can say okay [TS]

00:02:40   Glen so that's gonna be how this works [TS]

00:02:42   for now this challenge that's how it [TS]

00:02:44   always works [TS]

00:02:45   damn or and why don't you go first then [TS]

00:02:46   I'm gonna go first i'm gonna pick a and [TS]

00:02:48   this is a science fiction book so i [TS]

00:02:51   think i can check that box well done [TS]

00:02:53   thank you thank you I'm done I'm done [TS]

00:02:55   off to a good start a science-fiction [TS]

00:02:58   book okay that's good look at that's my [TS]

00:03:00   selection a science-fiction book so my [TS]

00:03:04   first book is a book called altered [TS]

00:03:05   carbon by a man named Richard K Morgan [TS]

00:03:08   which is a sci-fi book i think that's [TS]

00:03:10   about [TS]

00:03:12   I wanna say early to mid-2000s and what [TS]

00:03:16   I like about this book is that it's [TS]

00:03:18   basically a neo-noir mystery set in the [TS]

00:03:21   future in which people are variously [TS]

00:03:24   downloaded into bodies that they call [TS]

00:03:26   sleeves and that's sort of how they live [TS]

00:03:30   out their existence and the book centers [TS]

00:03:33   around one particular character whose [TS]

00:03:34   name I'm going to butcher which but i [TS]

00:03:36   think which is a to take a chico batch [TS]

00:03:38   who is especially trained sort of a [TS]

00:03:43   special ops guy he's an envoy i love [TS]

00:03:45   that this is the future because you can [TS]

00:03:46   tell it's the future and somewhat [TS]

00:03:48   implausible because the like highly [TS]

00:03:50   trained military convoys work for the [TS]

00:03:52   United Nations in the future which I [TS]

00:03:55   find entirely implausible but that's [TS]

00:03:56   probably the most impossible thing in [TS]

00:03:57   the book people gettin downloaded their [TS]

00:03:59   consciousness downloaded different [TS]

00:04:00   bodies you can't what about the United [TS]

00:04:01   Nation relevant for the move but anyways [TS]

00:04:04   he is sort of sucked into this mystery [TS]

00:04:07   investigation and it's it's a great book [TS]

00:04:10   it's really atmospheric reminded me in [TS]

00:04:12   some ways of all the stuff i like the [TS]

00:04:14   best from neuromancer which is sort of [TS]

00:04:17   that that future bizarre future that's [TS]

00:04:20   kind of like quite blade runner ask but [TS]

00:04:23   its its kind of alien but the same time [TS]

00:04:25   has these really recognize [TS]

00:04:26   elements and it is probably the only [TS]

00:04:28   book you will read in which one of the [TS]

00:04:31   main characters is a hotel one of them [TS]

00:04:36   one of them [TS]

00:04:39   yeah it's followed by a couple sequels I [TS]

00:04:41   didn't think either the sequel's were as [TS]

00:04:43   good as the first one they take a kind [TS]

00:04:45   of different tone and it I've read most [TS]

00:04:48   of this guy's books and it is altered [TS]

00:04:50   carbon is definitely my favorite and i [TS]

00:04:52   would go so far as to call it one of the [TS]

00:04:53   one of the best sci-fi books from the [TS]

00:04:55   last decade [TS]

00:04:56   wow ok altered carbon anybody else read [TS]

00:04:59   that one of her life i have read it [TS]

00:05:02   Scott you do you like it huh who knows i [TS]

00:05:06   read it was gonna happen [TS]

00:05:08   well you've even forgotten whether you [TS]

00:05:10   like it I don't like it i did buy the [TS]

00:05:13   sequel I haven't read the sequel that [TS]

00:05:14   that hurts stick with the stick with the [TS]

00:05:16   first moments the definitely the best [TS]

00:05:17   throw the sequel in the wood chipper [TS]

00:05:20   I will put it in the recycling bin okay [TS]

00:05:23   that's even better [TS]

00:05:24   Scott McNulty do you have a selection i [TS]

00:05:27   do so I was unclear as to the format of [TS]

00:05:31   tonight's show ok so was I and I came up [TS]

00:05:33   with it so both excellent so i decided [TS]

00:05:36   that i would just pick whatever the heck [TS]

00:05:37   I want that so now if you are very clear [TS]

00:05:39   on the format then excellent it wasn't [TS]

00:05:42   whatever and we'll call it something [TS]

00:05:43   else yes [TS]

00:05:44   so one of the first books that i read [TS]

00:05:46   that really set the course for my [TS]

00:05:47   science fiction reading life [TS]

00:05:49   isaac asimov's foundation trilogy which [TS]

00:05:52   I i know many people are conflicted [TS]

00:05:55   about isaac asimov because he was [TS]

00:05:57   probably not the best writer in the [TS]

00:06:00   world are he was quite prolific and he [TS]

00:06:04   did he was part of kind of the be the [TS]

00:06:06   golden age of science fiction writers [TS]

00:06:08   that with all the pulp writers were [TS]

00:06:09   around so you know he was a robber [TS]

00:06:11   highland and you know lots of other [TS]

00:06:15   people that whose names now escape me [TS]

00:06:18   were writing at the same time in the the [TS]

00:06:20   late fifties early sixties and so he [TS]

00:06:22   wrote this foundation trilogy which is [TS]

00:06:24   basically a sci-fi retelling of the fall [TS]

00:06:28   of the Roman Empire I and and he it's [TS]

00:06:32   just it really impacted me when I read [TS]

00:06:35   it the first time because of [TS]

00:06:38   it was the sweeping story of this this [TS]

00:06:41   giant Galactic Empire and this character [TS]

00:06:43   called Harry Sullivan who creates this [TS]

00:06:45   form of predicting the future called [TS]

00:06:49   psychohistory and he he goes to the [TS]

00:06:52   Emperor who is on this planet called [TS]

00:06:54   transit or that's a giant city planet [TS]

00:06:57   which may sound familiar to some star [TS]

00:06:58   wars fans who and so he tells the effort [TS]

00:07:02   you know therefore the Empire is going [TS]

00:07:04   to fall [TS]

00:07:05   I know what it's going to fall and it [TS]

00:07:06   will take 2,000 years for the Second [TS]

00:07:09   Empire to rise unless we do what I tell [TS]

00:07:11   you to do and then we'll take a thousand [TS]

00:07:12   years and so he sets up this foundation [TS]

00:07:15   to that basically preserves the human [TS]

00:07:18   knowledge and can help the galaxy [TS]

00:07:21   through the dark age but then also he [TS]

00:07:23   sets up a second foundation that is [TS]

00:07:25   really there to protect the humanity and [TS]

00:07:29   Isaac has enough uses a this kind of [TS]

00:07:32   this this this entries from this [TS]

00:07:35   encyclopedia Galactica to to kind of [TS]

00:07:37   tell you what's going on in the story [TS]

00:07:39   which a lot of other science-fiction [TS]

00:07:40   writers and pick up as a kind of trope [TS]

00:07:42   that they use so he set a lot of things [TS]

00:07:45   for the first time in this this series [TS]

00:07:48   that a lot of other people have used [TS]

00:07:50   over the last 50 years so it's a very [TS]

00:07:53   important piece of science fiction [TS]

00:07:54   it is also very much of its time so if [TS]

00:07:58   you're reading it and expecting a [TS]

00:08:00   science-fiction of like you know our our [TS]

00:08:04   day you're going to be disappointed it's [TS]

00:08:06   certainly reflects its time but i think [TS]

00:08:08   it is well worth a read and the three [TS]

00:08:10   books in the trilogy are altogether [TS]

00:08:12   shorter than a lot of the current novels [TS]

00:08:14   that are out now from the [TS]

00:08:16   science-fiction writers so it's well [TS]

00:08:18   worth a look [TS]

00:08:20   yeah he would I don't know about him [TS]

00:08:23   being bad right he's not a stylist right [TS]

00:08:25   hehe just his style is very basic or as [TS]

00:08:29   somebody in the chatroom just said karen [TS]

00:08:32   j healey his pro styles like an IBM 360 [TS]

00:08:35   operating manual that got drunk one [TS]

00:08:37   evening and decided to be a novel [TS]

00:08:38   instead and that's really not that far [TS]

00:08:40   off a very kind of workmen like pros but [TS]

00:08:43   some really fascinating ideas now I see [TS]

00:08:46   Glenn said that the first heat up the [TS]

00:08:48   first book and foundation was good [TS]

00:08:51   but the rest not so much is that using [TS]

00:08:52   see i disagree i think the first book [TS]

00:08:54   for me is one of the most dull but I [TS]

00:08:55   think foundation an empire which is the [TS]

00:08:56   second book really kicks it up a notch [TS]

00:08:58   and gets more interesting i guess the [TS]

00:09:00   third is pretty awful but i don't [TS]

00:09:02   remember the third I like someone the [TS]

00:09:04   later ones i felt like asthma style got [TS]

00:09:06   a little better so some of the ones that [TS]

00:09:07   go back and do the prequel yeah I found [TS]

00:09:09   much more like I was a prelude to [TS]

00:09:11   foundation and for the foundation i [TS]

00:09:12   found was much more accessible i don't [TS]

00:09:14   know if you could argue they're better [TS]

00:09:15   books but I like the first one best [TS]

00:09:18   because it was that its empire building [TS]

00:09:19   right it's like with all the ideas are [TS]

00:09:21   fresh and all the exposition is there [TS]

00:09:24   and I thought it was so clever i think [TS]

00:09:25   you're right maybe the second one [TS]

00:09:26   actually is better like it moves Morris [TS]

00:09:29   was not as much exposition but you have [TS]

00:09:30   a little more you have a little more [TS]

00:09:32   plot right you got the mule that comes [TS]

00:09:34   in which is sort of that's the part i [TS]

00:09:35   remember being really excited right love [TS]

00:09:37   ya and that's a good that's a good [TS]

00:09:39   hidden thing like you don't realize i [TS]

00:09:40   mean at some point I don't think the [TS]

00:09:42   first time I read it I got it until the [TS]

00:09:45   and you're like oh okay that makes sense [TS]

00:09:47   but it's just like it's some good faints [TS]

00:09:49   and double faints and he doesn't he [TS]

00:09:51   doesn't Telegraph everything that's [TS]

00:09:52   going to happen some of its obvious and [TS]

00:09:55   especially now because everything that [TS]

00:09:56   he did was absorbed into other records [TS]

00:09:59   later works but i mean i think it is [TS]

00:10:01   literally a Scot says it's it's the [TS]

00:10:02   foundation of modern science fiction as [TS]

00:10:04   you can't walk away from the ideas in [TS]

00:10:06   the book because everyone read them and [TS]

00:10:09   then they even if they hated it [TS]

00:10:10   what they wrote was an opposition it's [TS]

00:10:12   like atheists and the Bible right I I [TS]

00:10:14   have to say I really enjoyed some of as [TS]

00:10:16   most other works i have a soft spot for [TS]

00:10:19   caves of steel which is his is murder [TS]

00:10:21   mystery and the with a robot are jhoniel [TS]

00:10:24   when lava la who which which actually [TS]

00:10:27   not spoil too much which actually does [TS]

00:10:29   link in with foundation that area [TS]

00:10:31   yes but I i really enjoy that trilogy [TS]

00:10:34   that he has with the Elijah Baley and [TS]

00:10:36   Rdio lot solving mysteries and in [TS]

00:10:39   various planets and stuff like that i [TS]

00:10:41   can remember like I can remember that [TS]

00:10:42   feeling of when when the way what's the [TS]

00:10:44   fellows name the human work he works [TS]

00:10:46   with daily my daily record which it goes [TS]

00:10:49   on the surface the planet has never [TS]

00:10:50   really been on the surface of the planet [TS]

00:10:52   and just forces himself to do in that [TS]

00:10:54   sense of being out of the terror of [TS]

00:10:56   being an open space because he's lived [TS]

00:10:58   his life underground you're like wow [TS]

00:10:59   it's just that was actually some good [TS]

00:11:00   writing [TS]

00:11:01   ya know i think i think as much some [TS]

00:11:03   some of this stuff is better [TS]

00:11:04   and other stuff but foundation does and [TS]

00:11:06   questionably sort of the the standard by [TS]

00:11:08   which he is judged i think it's [TS]

00:11:10   certainly the most influential work [TS]

00:11:11   the big problem is there's all these was [TS]

00:11:13   a great bear and some of the other some [TS]

00:11:14   moderate size pictures were hired to [TS]

00:11:16   write additional foundation books and [TS]

00:11:18   those are sort of i've read a couple of [TS]

00:11:20   them and I just remember anything except [TS]

00:11:21   my screaming bad idea [TS]

00:11:24   yeah and i am a devout as an offensive [TS]

00:11:28   I've read all of his novels and I I like [TS]

00:11:30   them all [TS]

00:11:31   I do realize you know he's he's like [TS]

00:11:33   jason said he's working so he likes [TS]

00:11:35   water as let me ask you as an asthma fan [TS]

00:11:38   i want to ask you i heard i remember [TS]

00:11:40   when i was a kid I remember hearing this [TS]

00:11:42   trivia that he had written something in [TS]

00:11:44   every category of the dewey decimal [TS]

00:11:45   system that is true and iíve also i [TS]

00:11:49   don't know if it's true but that it is [TS]

00:11:50   often said that he had it is it is an [TS]

00:11:53   anti I don't know with your first get [TS]

00:11:55   going to get that is true that is true [TS]

00:11:57   it is uh i have read that I I cannot [TS]

00:12:00   confirm whether or not it is true he had [TS]

00:12:02   two previous it's true that he did it [TS]

00:12:04   for all 10 major categories of pound ok [TS]

00:12:06   but not sort of categories know and he [TS]

00:12:09   was it was constantly writing he's also [TS]

00:12:12   he has a PhD in chemistry he was he was [TS]

00:12:16   a well at an accomplishment I've read [TS]

00:12:18   his autobiography i'll have a great you [TS]

00:12:20   know this is a joke but his [TS]

00:12:21   autobiography over the title is in [TS]

00:12:23   memory yet green and there's a sequel [TS]

00:12:25   and he was asked to go use a line from [TS]

00:12:28   poetry and then apparently he just [TS]

00:12:30   invented a poem it's actually nice [TS]

00:12:31   little poem but it was so convincing [TS]

00:12:33   people thought it was some older you [TS]

00:12:35   know 19th century work but he had [TS]

00:12:37   borrowed from as a mom as well if a task [TS]

00:12:41   out your sky was gonna ask it's like it [TS]

00:12:42   usually takes a lifetime to read azimoff [TS]

00:12:44   so you must be how many years old are [TS]

00:12:47   you Scott [TS]

00:12:48   i was born in 1887 that's right he just [TS]

00:12:51   put the books under the pillow at night [TS]

00:12:53   and wakes up having read them [TS]

00:12:55   that's that's right alright so there is [TS]

00:12:57   a as mob we have two items [TS]

00:13:00   although really the foundation trilogy [TS]

00:13:02   is more than one item but will let Scott [TS]

00:13:03   have it [TS]

00:13:04   let's move on to glen plan what is your [TS]

00:13:06   selection and if it is in German then [TS]

00:13:09   you will have to describe it in German [TS]

00:13:11   it is not in channel right okay honey in [TS]

00:13:14   English go tom [TS]

00:13:16   I think I'm gonna pick do [TS]

00:13:17   if we're picking great sprawling things [TS]

00:13:20   and i can say with absolute definitive [TS]

00:13:23   certainty that dude you should be doing [TS]

00:13:26   and then forget that the word do exist [TS]

00:13:29   in any other book title after that [TS]

00:13:31   ah but the first book i mean i remember [TS]

00:13:33   reading that this is one of these books [TS]

00:13:34   are as a you know it's always a early [TS]

00:13:36   teenager somewhere around there and I [TS]

00:13:38   was totally absorbed by he created an [TS]

00:13:41   entire universe full of improbable [TS]

00:13:43   things that all sort of has some [TS]

00:13:45   self-consistency and its mystical and [TS]

00:13:48   there are these crazy [TS]

00:13:50   none order that are like creating you're [TS]

00:13:53   using genetics to bring about some kind [TS]

00:13:57   of Messiah was going to unite the [TS]

00:13:59   universe their giant sandworms and these [TS]

00:14:03   evil horrible you know houses and it's [TS]

00:14:06   just I think it's a great sprawling mass [TS]

00:14:08   and it's very enjoyable great read and [TS]

00:14:11   then freestanding you don't need to read [TS]

00:14:13   please don't read the others because [TS]

00:14:17   you'll be so disappointed is good in the [TS]

00:14:18   summer because it's a very hot planet so [TS]

00:14:21   if you're outright heat or you're [TS]

00:14:22   beating the heat by staying inside you [TS]

00:14:24   can you can kind of imagine the heat of [TS]

00:14:26   the planet dude I i read dune in the [TS]

00:14:28   summer in a hammock when I was growing [TS]

00:14:30   up in high school and just like 90 [TS]

00:14:32   degree heat and some iced tea and out my [TS]

00:14:34   hammock reading when i read i don't know [TS]

00:14:36   how many books in that hammock but doing [TS]

00:14:38   what I remember about it is that it was [TS]

00:14:39   one of the first really long books that [TS]

00:14:41   i read because it's like five computers [TS]

00:14:42   long [TS]

00:14:43   yeah and my review of it at the time was [TS]

00:14:45   well it's pretty good after the first [TS]

00:14:46   200 pages there's a lot of setup but i [TS]

00:14:49   think i would argue actually the setup [TS]

00:14:51   on a second reading is better because [TS]

00:14:53   there's all this stuff that's like the [TS]

00:14:54   house of Arcola in the house of the [TS]

00:14:56   trade is a blog global you're like okay [TS]

00:14:58   don't get it and then the intricacy goes [TS]

00:15:00   in later and you come back and one that [TS]

00:15:03   there's a lot of stuff in there too that [TS]

00:15:04   I sort of like because it's um it's he's [TS]

00:15:07   trying to throw he was trying to [TS]

00:15:08   overthrow tropes there are so many [TS]

00:15:09   trucks and this is sort of i think this [TS]

00:15:11   was considered one of the first [TS]

00:15:12   environmentalist science-fiction novels [TS]

00:15:15   that there's a bent about you know it is [TS]

00:15:17   the country he does the trope of like [TS]

00:15:19   the noble native you know the people who [TS]

00:15:21   are the framing on [TS]

00:15:23   the planet Arrakis known as doing are [TS]

00:15:25   you know noble and this great culture [TS]

00:15:28   and the Warriors but they're tender and [TS]

00:15:30   kind and they have secret names in the [TS]

00:15:32   tribe and they're secretly gathering all [TS]

00:15:35   the scarce water on the planet to turn [TS]

00:15:37   it into a green planet one day to [TS]

00:15:39   unleash the water and just like you know [TS]

00:15:42   wheels within wheels and anyway it's [TS]

00:15:44   just I don't know I just I have a fond [TS]

00:15:46   spot for it and the movie of it just by [TS]

00:15:50   the way I'm it was reviewed so horribly [TS]

00:15:52   David Lynch movie I've seen it again i [TS]

00:15:55   watched it I think it's not in the [TS]

00:15:56   theaters and I seen it again not that [TS]

00:15:58   long ago it has a kind of charm to it I [TS]

00:16:01   will kill him things fact that i love [TS]

00:16:04   staying a lot of big helper air and love [TS]

00:16:07   them as a friend rather Patrick students [TS]

00:16:10   am I my favorite I'll o'clock and b is [TS]

00:16:13   the the naming scheme and he goes on to [TS]

00:16:16   like children of dune and my god emperor [TS]

00:16:18   of dune and convenience store clerk of [TS]

00:16:20   dune like 36 years ready to keep going [TS]

00:16:22   pretty much the entire time [TS]

00:16:24   oh my god they just are so horrible i [TS]

00:16:25   read them all I can't imagine i read [TS]

00:16:28   them all i would keep picking I got you [TS]

00:16:29   through shame this one can and then his [TS]

00:16:31   son started riding with other people i [TS]

00:16:33   think i read one or two of those and it [TS]

00:16:34   was like no no it's pretty mother to [TS]

00:16:37   death [TS]

00:16:37   it's pretty much the death of any [TS]

00:16:38   franchise I feel like when I definitely [TS]

00:16:40   want a relative takes it over but but [TS]

00:16:43   almost almost when anybody takes over [TS]

00:16:45   white piano starts writing in somebody [TS]

00:16:46   else's world with rare exceptions it's [TS]

00:16:49   pretty much always like that is the time [TS]

00:16:51   to give up i don't recommend there was a [TS]

00:16:54   young made for TV series version of it [TS]

00:16:56   that was much closer to my channel [TS]

00:16:58   yeah yeah it wasn't it wasn't fantastic [TS]

00:17:00   i thought it was a good watch that I [TS]

00:17:01   thought that any service was good yeah [TS]

00:17:03   yeah yeah it was good it was well done [TS]

00:17:05   not the sequel that that fits with the [TS]

00:17:06   books so haha that's true the original [TS]

00:17:09   source i would say the dune again as one [TS]

00:17:12   of those things that echoes in the minds [TS]

00:17:13   of other writers so even if they aren't [TS]

00:17:14   trying to ape Herbert style in that [TS]

00:17:17   first and only good book i also have the [TS]

00:17:20   way plagued by him as I say doing his [TS]

00:17:22   first and only good book that the they [TS]

00:17:25   pick up all these elements the things [TS]

00:17:26   about travel between the stars and [TS]

00:17:28   having these navigators who need a kind [TS]

00:17:29   of drug to let them to enter hyperspace [TS]

00:17:32   where do we see that mental state oh yes [TS]

00:17:35   embassy town you know so you [TS]

00:17:37   reactive across decades and decades to [TS]

00:17:39   come from it and shine mr. town when [TS]

00:17:41   someone is trying to provoke 10 more [TS]

00:17:42   minutes [TS]

00:17:43   let's work let's move on to Lex Friedman [TS]

00:17:47   who has a as a selection that will be [TS]

00:17:49   less science-fictional I suspect that's [TS]

00:17:51   ok Lex what do you have a trice you are [TS]

00:17:54   correct and i will say that i was [TS]

00:17:55   talking with my wife who is a very big [TS]

00:17:57   sci-fi fan before we started taping and [TS]

00:18:00   she said she disapproved of all three of [TS]

00:18:02   my choices saying the word science [TS]

00:18:04   fictiony enough [TS]

00:18:05   why is she on the show and it's a great [TS]

00:18:07   question but my first choice its is the [TS]

00:18:11   time traveler's wife which I believe [TS]

00:18:12   you've discussed in Latin relax i was [TS]

00:18:14   gonna pick that so don't feel bad i was [TS]

00:18:16   gonna act as one of my know it occurred [TS]

00:18:18   to it occurred to me my lieutenant [TS]

00:18:19   that's a valid scientific it is [TS]

00:18:21   absolutely is one of the better [TS]

00:18:22   portrayals of some of time travel travel [TS]

00:18:24   right well that's exactly what i was [TS]

00:18:26   going to say is you know I i love time [TS]

00:18:28   travel watch any movie with time travel [TS]

00:18:29   i have seen those and I'll read any book [TS]

00:18:31   about time travel because I I'm [TS]

00:18:33   fascinated by it and when we did when we [TS]

00:18:35   talked about back to the future sometime [TS]

00:18:37   back we talked about how back to the [TS]

00:18:39   futures rules of time-travel are the [TS]

00:18:41   ones that if you if your fiction follows [TS]

00:18:43   those rules you don't have to explain [TS]

00:18:44   them because that's how everybody now [TS]

00:18:46   understand such a time-travel thanks to [TS]

00:18:48   that movie right [TS]

00:18:49   the time traveler's wife obviously does [TS]

00:18:50   not take that approach it goes a very [TS]

00:18:52   different way in a way that I as time [TS]

00:18:55   travel goes it seems in some ways more [TS]

00:18:57   logical i agree i makes considerably [TS]

00:19:00   more sense and and I and I felt like it [TS]

00:19:03   was good for summer reading list because [TS]

00:19:05   it's also you know it's a love story and [TS]

00:19:06   it's romance and that's you know that's [TS]

00:19:08   the kind of light-hearted fair you want [TS]

00:19:09   but I mean I can't believe it's her [TS]

00:19:12   I don't know how to pronounce your name [TS]

00:19:12   so I'm not even trying with audrey and a [TS]

00:19:15   head the niffenegger like so I can't [TS]

00:19:18   believe it's her first novel and I think [TS]

00:19:21   it's just so very brilliantly put [TS]

00:19:23   together and assembled in the the story [TS]

00:19:25   is is obviously it's it's told in a [TS]

00:19:28   linear fashion that is not at all in any [TS]

00:19:30   sense of the term linear linear and I [TS]

00:19:32   just I think it's excellent i really [TS]

00:19:33   i've read it more than once I enjoyed [TS]

00:19:35   every single time i get new things for [TS]

00:19:36   what each time the movie is terrible but [TS]

00:19:38   the book is really i found just [TS]

00:19:40   excellent and an excellent handling of [TS]

00:19:42   of time travel and really not just [TS]

00:19:44   enforcing its own time travel rules but [TS]

00:19:46   truly sticking to them and respecting [TS]

00:19:48   what those rules would be the [TS]

00:19:50   anybody who watch Doctor Who in the [TS]

00:19:53   Steven Moffat era has gotten the river [TS]

00:19:56   song story is very much a Time [TS]

00:19:59   Traveler's Wife a influence let's say [TS]

00:20:03   storyline and and the nice thing about [TS]

00:20:05   the time traveler's wife is that the [TS]

00:20:06   storyline and the timelines are [TS]

00:20:09   internally consistent and that's what [TS]

00:20:11   what I really like about it is it is [TS]

00:20:13   using and we have talked about this [TS]

00:20:15   before but i love it so much that i'm [TS]

00:20:17   happy i was going to talk about it again [TS]

00:20:18   you know it it's it's got all the [TS]

00:20:21   ramifications of being up unstuck in [TS]

00:20:23   time and how you're seeing this [TS]

00:20:24   relationship from different vantage [TS]

00:20:25   points from the two characters and it's [TS]

00:20:28   it is touching and it talks about the [TS]

00:20:32   fact that all relationships and all [TS]

00:20:34   lives and and that in it but it does it [TS]

00:20:37   in the strange way where you different [TS]

00:20:39   you know the last time that they see [TS]

00:20:40   each other is different for each person [TS]

00:20:41   which is fascinating [TS]

00:20:43   I loved it a lot hurt her apparently i [TS]

00:20:46   think my wife tried to reach her second [TS]

00:20:47   book and it wasn't very good but this [TS]

00:20:48   terrible i didn't i didn't even get past [TS]

00:20:50   like three chapters but this is a great [TS]

00:20:52   book i love this book so I think that's [TS]

00:20:53   a great pic Lex [TS]

00:20:55   thank you i don't want to spoil anything [TS]

00:20:56   to but it's a it's emotional the whole [TS]

00:20:58   way through the early ends that just [TS]

00:20:59   grab you and pull you and hurt you [TS]

00:21:01   that's great don't watch the movie read [TS]

00:21:03   the book can isolate my my criticism the [TS]

00:21:06   book is not that it's a bad book I [TS]

00:21:07   actually loved it until i reached the [TS]

00:21:08   point in which she telegraph was gonna [TS]

00:21:11   happen so strongly I had to put it down [TS]

00:21:13   because i was too invested in the [TS]

00:21:14   characters and I mean exactly what's [TS]

00:21:16   going to happen and I can I don't know [TS]

00:21:18   how many pages in it was like I cannot [TS]

00:21:20   read this anymore because I'm going to [TS]

00:21:21   scream and cry so she doesn't tell I [TS]

00:21:23   mean it's time travel right i mean it's [TS]

00:21:24   hard after I know but it but it's time [TS]

00:21:26   travel I mean that's the whole point is [TS]

00:21:28   she knows and the character knows that [TS]

00:21:29   something terrible is going to happen [TS]

00:21:31   and I think she could have done a better [TS]

00:21:33   job of of manipulating the streams all [TS]

00:21:36   I'm because you have no heart [TS]

00:21:38   alright well I liked it I liked it [TS]

00:21:41   thumbs up as well [TS]

00:21:42   look at that oh yes i am so proud of [TS]

00:21:45   myself right now [TS]

00:21:46   Lex when that happens to relax you [TS]

00:21:48   actually get important at this time [TS]

00:21:50   minus a minus points to a Glen because [TS]

00:21:53   he's rocking that's right and i make i [TS]

00:21:55   have made up in volumes so far ahead [TS]

00:21:57   the 1i have not right you shouldn't you [TS]

00:21:58   should read that Scott I think you might [TS]

00:22:00   even like it because i liked it and you [TS]

00:22:02   and I like things [TS]

00:22:03   true in my wife it's one of her favorite [TS]

00:22:05   books see there you go there's lots of [TS]

00:22:07   recently lights it's in my top center [TS]

00:22:09   yeah it seems like a lady book to me i [TS]

00:22:11   don't know if that's true it is you know [TS]

00:22:14   in the summer [TS]

00:22:15   Scott in the summertime i like to wear [TS]

00:22:17   always outside with a beverage and and [TS]

00:22:19   and let the breeze blow over me and if [TS]

00:22:22   thats ladylike then so be it [TS]

00:22:24   read my lady book i'm casting their [TS]

00:22:26   judgments are just saying that's what it [TS]

00:22:28   struck me my next choice is fifty Shades [TS]

00:22:30   of Grey serenity Caldwell you're up [TS]

00:22:34   what do you think well um actually been [TS]

00:22:37   read the time traveler's wife so I will [TS]

00:22:38   refrain from commenting on lexus pic I [TS]

00:22:40   in terms of my own summer reading if i [TS]

00:22:43   go back most of all of the books that i [TS]

00:22:45   read during the summer read at a cabin [TS]

00:22:48   by the lake and this cabin had lots of [TS]

00:22:50   older books so a lot of my pics are from [TS]

00:22:53   the 1970s sixties fifties forties so [TS]

00:22:57   it'll make the things a little bit [TS]

00:22:58   interesting but I also i went to the [TS]

00:23:01   local library and so in addition to that [TS]

00:23:03   i would read like I read lots and lots [TS]

00:23:06   of star wars books growing up because it [TS]

00:23:08   was just readily available and there [TS]

00:23:09   were a lot of them and I could get [TS]

00:23:10   through them quickly but the one book [TS]

00:23:12   that I kept on coming back to besides [TS]

00:23:14   the large amount of Tim's and other [TS]

00:23:17   wonderful writers that I kept coming [TS]

00:23:19   back to I was Madeline legals wrinkle in [TS]

00:23:22   time which is 0 will possibly one of my [TS]

00:23:24   top five favorite books but it's also [TS]

00:23:28   choice as well relax tesseract there is [TS]

00:23:31   such a thing as a tender act so this is [TS]

00:23:35   the book that mean I mean there are [TS]

00:23:37   other books in this in this series are [TS]

00:23:39   not in their competitors but in my pics [TS]

00:23:42   that will indicate my love of science as [TS]

00:23:44   a young child but this was really my [TS]

00:23:46   love of science fiction science where I [TS]

00:23:50   picked up this book and I'm like oh my [TS]

00:23:51   god interstellar time and space travel [TS]

00:23:54   this is blowing my mind and it's all [TS]

00:23:57   identifiable kids you know when your god [TS]

00:24:01   I must have been seven or eight when I [TS]

00:24:03   first picked this book up and then i [TS]

00:24:04   read it you know through the through my [TS]

00:24:06   teen years and there's someone to [TS]

00:24:08   identify with as you grow up with this [TS]

00:24:10   book whether you're you know Charles [TS]

00:24:13   Wallace's age or you get up to megs age [TS]

00:24:15   you know you really [TS]

00:24:17   you can go through the book and find [TS]

00:24:19   something new every time and that's what [TS]

00:24:21   i really really adore about this book [TS]

00:24:23   and then also there the missus which the [TS]

00:24:26   interdimensional spirit / stars / we [TS]

00:24:31   don't quite understand what they are but [TS]

00:24:32   they're you know they can travel through [TS]

00:24:34   time so it's it's cool and it's you know [TS]

00:24:36   a good versus evil battle where the good [TS]

00:24:39   folks are artists and scientists and the [TS]

00:24:41   bad you know big big black things and [TS]

00:24:45   and I'm not going to spoil the ending of [TS]

00:24:47   the book for the people who haven't read [TS]

00:24:49   it and if you haven't read what are you [TS]

00:24:51   doing listening to this podcast go read [TS]

00:24:53   it right now it is the perfect summer [TS]

00:24:54   read i haven't read it but my guess is [TS]

00:24:57   at the end time gets Botox and no longer [TS]

00:25:00   has a wrinkle is that right [TS]

00:25:01   something like that standpoint selects [TS]

00:25:06   minus ten points yesterday sorry you're [TS]

00:25:08   gonna get influenced and again but yeah [TS]

00:25:12   I really love this book and I and it's [TS]

00:25:14   sequels are also very good i actually [TS]

00:25:17   one of one of its sequels many waters is [TS]

00:25:20   a sequel a little bit down the ways [TS]

00:25:23   which involves the sum of the wrinkled [TS]

00:25:26   time folks going back to know was time I [TS]

00:25:31   believe so basically playing with the [TS]

00:25:34   idea of Bible characters and that is a [TS]

00:25:40   very interesting book for very different [TS]

00:25:43   reasons but also a good summary so [TS]

00:25:45   that's my my pitch for a wrinkle in time [TS]

00:25:47   and its successors and also i know for [TS]

00:25:49   those people who don't like lots of [TS]

00:25:51   words there's a graphic novel coming out [TS]

00:25:53   this fall which is also i am very [TS]

00:25:56   excited for because the person is doing [TS]

00:25:58   the not the graphic novels like [TS]

00:26:00   absolutely in love with a wrinkle in [TS]

00:26:02   time and she's like oh my god this has [TS]

00:26:04   been my favorite project to work on so [TS]

00:26:05   I'm crossing my fingers that this will [TS]

00:26:07   be yet another thing i can add to my reg [TS]

00:26:09   one-time bookshelf for haters of words [TS]

00:26:12   or lovers of groundwater levels of [TS]

00:26:14   graphic novels that I mean they're still [TS]

00:26:15   quite a few words and i think the [TS]

00:26:17   graphic novel is going to be something [TS]

00:26:18   like for 500 pages so it's there's no [TS]

00:26:22   there's not going to be a dearth of [TS]

00:26:23   words just more pictures [TS]

00:26:26   alright that's it that's a classic what [TS]

00:26:28   I still have my paperback copy i believe [TS]

00:26:30   from [TS]

00:26:31   when I was a kid that's in my daughter's [TS]

00:26:32   bookshelf now uh-huh that's great one [TS]

00:26:37   alright i guess it's my turn I know I [TS]

00:26:41   get a turn [TS]

00:26:42   it's shocking because we've been here [TS]

00:26:44   forever and this is the end of the first [TS]

00:26:46   round so we're gonna have to go faster [TS]

00:26:47   but I i have a bunch of different things [TS]

00:26:50   here i'm not really sure what what to to [TS]

00:26:52   go with first so I'm gonna go with the [TS]

00:26:54   obscurity route with the first pick and [TS]

00:26:58   I i was always a big fan of the [TS]

00:27:00   cyberpunk genre and you know william [TS]

00:27:03   gibson's neuromancer was you know just [TS]

00:27:06   blew me away when it came out and i [TS]

00:27:09   would be an obvious choice and i'm not [TS]

00:27:10   going to pick it so then then my choice [TS]

00:27:13   was I think there's a Gibson book that [TS]

00:27:14   may be better than neuromancer and I may [TS]

00:27:16   get to it but instead i'm going to go [TS]

00:27:17   with a much more obscure cyberpunk book [TS]

00:27:20   from 1986 it's called when gravity fails [TS]

00:27:25   by George Alec a finger but it was a [TS]

00:27:28   Scot McNulty seal of approval [TS]

00:27:31   check it out it was a nebula nominee was [TS]

00:27:34   a hugo nominee it is set in a cyberpunk [TS]

00:27:39   middle-eastern locale it's area it's a [TS]

00:27:43   kind of an Islamic culture that is is [TS]

00:27:47   dominant and predominant the it is it is [TS]

00:27:51   a new war kind of story [TS]

00:27:53   the the main character is married now [TS]

00:27:55   drawn i think it Murray did is they you [TS]

00:27:58   know he's kind of got a bad job and he [TS]

00:28:01   he's involved with like criminals and [TS]

00:28:03   there's this whole like organized crime [TS]

00:28:05   system in the place where he lives and [TS]

00:28:07   his girlfriend is a let me see if I can [TS]

00:28:09   get this straight [TS]

00:28:10   it was born male has been changed into a [TS]

00:28:13   female and now works as a prostitute and [TS]

00:28:16   she and the other prostitutes are sort [TS]

00:28:18   of like Marines buddies in this kind of [TS]

00:28:20   underworld setting and he gets into the [TS]

00:28:23   store into trouble [TS]

00:28:25   there are these things that you can [TS]

00:28:26   stick in people's heads that modify [TS]

00:28:28   their brains you know it's a great [TS]

00:28:30   cyberpunk novel it is really widely [TS]

00:28:32   known and it's kind of a mind-blowing [TS]

00:28:35   story it is you know maybe we'll from [TS]

00:28:39   literary merit perspectives not as great [TS]

00:28:42   as some of the gibson stuff but i think [TS]

00:28:44   under [TS]

00:28:44   appreciated and I just remember these [TS]

00:28:46   three novels its first myth series being [TS]

00:28:49   just fantastic when i read them I was [TS]

00:28:52   blown away by them they're they're so [TS]

00:28:53   different in a in setting and in mood [TS]

00:28:58   while still having this great kind of [TS]

00:29:00   nor underworld you know crime story [TS]

00:29:04   happening which like a lot of the [TS]

00:29:06   cyberpunk stuff but it really it has [TS]

00:29:08   stuck with me to this day so when [TS]

00:29:10   gravity fails is my choice and I'm glad [TS]

00:29:13   it got the McNulty not there [TS]

00:29:16   that's good well you win the the first [TS]

00:29:18   book in this list that I have not read [TS]

00:29:19   haha 2 i'll have to put that on my list [TS]

00:29:22   it's good aware of that it is in it [TS]

00:29:24   isn't printed tour is publishing now in [TS]

00:29:26   Georgia like a finger actually very good [TS]

00:29:28   writer and sadly was a very ill for a [TS]

00:29:31   long time the huge hospital bills and I [TS]

00:29:33   remember he had it is like apartment [TS]

00:29:35   burned down and and Harlan Ellison did [TS]

00:29:38   this thing where they raise money to try [TS]

00:29:40   and pay his bills and and and and then [TS]

00:29:43   he died fairly young and while writing [TS]

00:29:46   the fourth book in the series about 10 [TS]

00:29:48   years ago i think so [TS]

00:29:50   which is a real shame sort of sad life [TS]

00:29:52   but I left some great work behind so [TS]

00:29:54   George Alec a finger and I got the the [TS]

00:30:00   Scot McMillan thumbs up in the damn [TS]

00:30:01   morning huh [TS]

00:30:02   so I consider that 242 uh oh man points [TS]

00:30:07   thank you though I get points excellent [TS]

00:30:09   i wish someone has on writing being [TS]

00:30:12   let's go to dan moore and for a second [TS]

00:30:15   selection dan back back around to the [TS]

00:30:17   top all right well I'm gonna I'm gonna [TS]

00:30:19   borrow page from the electromagnet [TS]

00:30:21   playbook for a book about time travel [TS]

00:30:23   very much very different from the first [TS]

00:30:26   book i suggested and that is connie [TS]

00:30:28   willis is to say nothing of the dog [TS]

00:30:29   which is one of my favorite part that [TS]

00:30:32   was on my list to as in mitotic area i'm [TS]

00:30:36   wearing john against grace and tell you [TS]

00:30:38   I've read it though so it's an excellent [TS]

00:30:40   excellent book it's one of she's written [TS]

00:30:43   I don't know four or five books now [TS]

00:30:45   about this particular time travel which [TS]

00:30:46   is to say but one of the things I like [TS]

00:30:48   about is her time to books are always [TS]

00:30:49   very grounded in the period to which the [TS]

00:30:52   people travel so in some ways they're [TS]

00:30:53   more like historical fiction to say [TS]

00:30:56   nothing of the dog is my fav [TS]

00:30:58   it because unlike the other one [TS]

00:31:01   many of the other ones she writes about [TS]

00:31:03   it's funny it's really really really [TS]

00:31:06   funny like like laugh-out-loud put the [TS]

00:31:08   book down because i'm crying funny and [TS]

00:31:11   basically it involves some characters [TS]

00:31:14   who are academics from Oxford going back [TS]

00:31:16   to i think it's the is the nineteen [TS]

00:31:18   twenties or so right yeah that's not a [TS]

00:31:21   time period but back when back it when [TS]

00:31:23   cats weren't extinct [TS]

00:31:25   yeah it's sort of a it's sort of a [TS]

00:31:28   mystery and sort of a comedy of manners [TS]

00:31:30   and it's just it's incredibly delightful [TS]

00:31:34   and I think it's really got me is I had [TS]

00:31:38   not read anything by connie was proud of [TS]

00:31:39   that and I think someone gave that book [TS]

00:31:41   to me and I was like I was kinda [TS]

00:31:42   interesting i'll start reading it and I [TS]

00:31:43   loved it so much that I've gone back and [TS]

00:31:45   reread many of her other books which are [TS]

00:31:47   several of which were also close [TS]

00:31:49   competitors on this list but to say [TS]

00:31:50   nothing of the dog remains my favorite [TS]

00:31:52   and I think that is because she manages [TS]

00:31:54   to capture this beautiful madcap I say [TS]

00:31:59   Woodhouse Ian a comedy aspect and I just [TS]

00:32:02   I adore PG Wodehouse and I think she [TS]

00:32:04   manages to sort of tapping to his psyche [TS]

00:32:06   here with this with the comedy in to say [TS]

00:32:08   nothing of the dog yeah I'm funny [TS]

00:32:10   justjust I mean it is there are not that [TS]

00:32:12   many site syfy comedies there are some [TS]

00:32:15   yeah this is a sign right now well as [TS]

00:32:16   done hilarious and I i think that you [TS]

00:32:20   know for me it got started on the the [TS]

00:32:22   thing that got me laughing so hard the [TS]

00:32:23   first time I read it was that [TS]

00:32:25   so in this university suffer from time [TS]

00:32:27   lag as one might suffer from jet lag but [TS]

00:32:31   one of the symptoms of time lag is [TS]

00:32:33   increased sentimentality and so that's [TS]

00:32:35   what the characters talking to a dog [TS]

00:32:37   about our dog man's best friend you [TS]

00:32:39   truly are better than the other [TS]

00:32:41   characters are going like are you [TS]

00:32:43   alright and so I think that does my [TS]

00:32:46   favorite if you want the sort of darker [TS]

00:32:47   turn on that one [TS]

00:32:49   Doomsday vault which is also very good [TS]

00:32:51   but extremely depressing and like you [TS]

00:32:54   know is the tragedy to the comedy [TS]

00:32:55   guessing everybody let's time travel to [TS]

00:32:57   the Black Plague I is everything [TS]

00:33:00   everybody dies [TS]

00:33:01   basically yeah yeah and then and then [TS]

00:33:04   sort of in the middle ground there you [TS]

00:33:05   get the blackout all-clear ideology and [TS]

00:33:08   then I think she wrote a short story as [TS]

00:33:10   well fire watch which also [TS]

00:33:11   so is in the same universe right and [TS]

00:33:14   yeah and several other books are good [TS]

00:33:16   I'd say they close the close runner-up [TS]

00:33:18   there and it's less science-fictiony but [TS]

00:33:20   the close runner-up for my favorite book [TS]

00:33:22   by his bellwether which is a short [TS]

00:33:24   adorable little book that we're out [TS]

00:33:26   there but connie willis and authors but [TS]

00:33:28   it is worth checking out and to say [TS]

00:33:29   nothing of the dog in particular is my [TS]

00:33:31   favorite good call let's move on to [TS]

00:33:34   Scott McNulty yeah I I wasn't prepared [TS]

00:33:38   to move about [TS]

00:33:39   ah so in keeping with your cyberpunk of [TS]

00:33:43   recommendation Jason I will i mentioned [TS]

00:33:46   a book that is not to inform cyberpunk [TS]

00:33:50   as a genre although when I read it I [TS]

00:33:52   didn't pick up on that all the stars my [TS]

00:33:55   destination by alfred bester oh yeah [TS]

00:33:58   which is fantastic book also a kind of [TS]

00:34:02   dark because the main character is a [TS]

00:34:05   completely overtaken with a crazed needs [TS]

00:34:12   to exact revenge he starts off the book [TS]

00:34:15   it basically kind of a stuck in a Life [TS]

00:34:20   pod in space basically for for many many [TS]

00:34:23   months and a ship comes by anything so [TS]

00:34:26   they're gonna pick me up but they don't [TS]

00:34:28   and then through a series of events he [TS]

00:34:31   gets out and then he he decides that he [TS]

00:34:33   needs to get his revenge upon the the [TS]

00:34:36   crew of the ship [TS]

00:34:38   it's a very complicated book and this [TS]

00:34:41   plot to a kind of the synopsis but the [TS]

00:34:47   things that you need to remember is the [TS]

00:34:50   the character main character crash-lands [TS]

00:34:53   on this this planet that is constructed [TS]

00:34:56   of discarded spaceships and unbeknownst [TS]

00:34:59   to him the inhabitants of this planet [TS]

00:35:01   tattoo a very elaborate tattoo on his [TS]

00:35:03   face which they don't have mirrors so he [TS]

00:35:05   never notices it and then he's picked up [TS]

00:35:07   by another spaceship and they're like [TS]

00:35:09   dude you have a tattoo on your face like [TS]

00:35:10   oh my God he's also able to psychically [TS]

00:35:14   teleport himself uh interstellar two [TS]

00:35:17   different planets which other people [TS]

00:35:19   can't do but they can do in shorter [TS]

00:35:21   distances [TS]

00:35:23   and other people can read people's minds [TS]

00:35:25   its is very complicated out but through [TS]

00:35:27   many kind of high jinks he eventually [TS]

00:35:31   kind of gets revenge but doesn't there's [TS]

00:35:34   a lot of twists and turns to the story [TS]

00:35:36   it is kind of dark so be prepared for [TS]

00:35:39   that but yeah it is very good really [TS]

00:35:41   good really good [TS]

00:35:42   I read that a few years ago and that's [TS]

00:35:44   it is it's great that you can jaunt [TS]

00:35:47   right is that like you teleport around [TS]

00:35:50   but only so there's like a distance [TS]

00:35:52   limitation or something but he doesn't [TS]

00:35:54   have that he figures out how to get rid [TS]

00:35:56   of that distance haha and and so people [TS]

00:35:59   are quite interested in that diabolical [TS]

00:36:01   another interesting point is that he [TS]

00:36:03   gets exactly he gets the tattoo removed [TS]

00:36:05   from his face so that he can you know a [TS]

00:36:10   blend in with people so nobody knows [TS]

00:36:12   it's him about except what he gets [TS]

00:36:14   really excited the the faint tattoo [TS]

00:36:17   where was kind of fills in again because [TS]

00:36:19   the blood rushes to his face [TS]

00:36:21   so that's a kind of a critical moment in [TS]

00:36:23   the story he gets really excited and [TS]

00:36:25   then people like I had to you all right [TS]

00:36:28   the stars my destination could pick [TS]

00:36:30   let's move on to glen me why are you [TS]

00:36:34   also surprised i'm just going in the [TS]

00:36:36   same order we did the last time we try [TS]

00:36:38   to introduce element of tension in the [TS]

00:36:40   shoulders haha you'll never know who [TS]

00:36:41   i'll pick next except if you're paying [TS]

00:36:42   attention then you'll know [TS]

00:36:44   go ahead and also apparently wasn't I i [TS]

00:36:46   am going to pick Hyperion by Dan Simmons [TS]

00:36:49   also on my list great so 10 points to [TS]

00:36:52   you [TS]

00:36:53   thank you so the reason I i would [TS]

00:36:55   mention Hyperion is I i think i try to [TS]

00:36:58   pick all the things that might have [TS]

00:37:00   along along with we will get to that [TS]

00:37:02   perhaps we post our list on the side [TS]

00:37:03   alone but the Hyperion is something like [TS]

00:37:06   many other novels where when I read it I [TS]

00:37:08   was struck I was struck by the beauty [TS]

00:37:10   the intensity by unusual ideas that [TS]

00:37:13   never entered my mind before and change [TS]

00:37:15   my consciousness forever so iperion [TS]

00:37:18   tells the story in a kind of not [TS]

00:37:21   pilgrims progress but am [TS]

00:37:22   a tracer what's the roster story the [TS]

00:37:26   transfer anybody anybody transfer [TS]

00:37:28   transfer yeah the canterbury tales [TS]

00:37:30   characters yeah mom that opera this [TS]

00:37:34   route is softer bigger slide on the [TS]

00:37:37   showers [TS]

00:37:38   suta hot that pair said to the ruta my [TS]

00:37:41   god game hall where all English majors [TS]

00:37:43   here i cannot i was art so i can just [TS]

00:37:46   draw a picture of it so the candidates [TS]

00:37:47   that has a loose structure of canterbury [TS]

00:37:49   tales with stories told in turn by six [TS]

00:37:52   different people on this spaceship that [TS]

00:37:53   are all going off to something like [TS]

00:37:55   uncharted space and they all center [TS]

00:37:57   around a planet called Hyperion that [TS]

00:37:59   theme of Glenn's evening like dune is a [TS]

00:38:02   peculiar planet my period has strange [TS]

00:38:04   properties and there's some like the [TS]

00:38:06   sort of area that's almost impossible [TS]

00:38:08   because it generates the plant life [TS]

00:38:10   generates electrical fields and storms [TS]

00:38:12   and lightning and you can't even really [TS]

00:38:14   land spaceships there nobody really [TS]

00:38:16   cares its kind of this beat-up old [TS]

00:38:17   planet and mysterious events are [TS]

00:38:19   happening or have been happening over a [TS]

00:38:21   period of time and so there's a poet [TS]

00:38:23   there's an ambassador or a diplomat [TS]

00:38:26   there's a woman an old Jewish man whose [TS]

00:38:28   daughter is aging backwards in time and [TS]

00:38:30   a priest to has a actual well I won't [TS]

00:38:34   tell that place too much of the spoilers [TS]

00:38:36   yes technol the story but at the cross [TS]

00:38:38   and the resurrection mean extra special [TS]

00:38:40   things to the priest extra special so [TS]

00:38:42   it's I think it's a great it's a great [TS]

00:38:43   set of stories and apparently one of the [TS]

00:38:45   stories about Cirie sis remembering [TS]

00:38:48   serie very sorry it was originally a [TS]

00:38:50   standalone story that we came to Germany [TS]

00:38:52   this of the novel and it's you it's [TS]

00:38:54   picaresque because you have different [TS]

00:38:56   things happen that are facets of the of [TS]

00:38:58   the same place but happening different [TS]

00:39:02   hot right happen across space everything [TS]

00:39:03   is coming to a point in Hyperion and [TS]

00:39:05   there's this mysterious creature called [TS]

00:39:07   the Shrike that is some enormous multi [TS]

00:39:10   arms armored thing that no one quite [TS]

00:39:12   knows what it is and I think it's got [TS]

00:39:13   its full of mystery it's a it's [TS]

00:39:15   beautifully written dan simmons [TS]

00:39:16   everything he writes beautifully written [TS]

00:39:17   but I find a lot of it so either [TS]

00:39:19   hermetic or just you know it's [TS]

00:39:21   impenetrable or just don't know I find [TS]

00:39:24   an idiotic at this point that i can I [TS]

00:39:26   try to read his stuff like the olympus [TS]

00:39:27   and [TS]

00:39:28   oh yeah only I'm not yeah Williams try [TS]

00:39:31   red book is and i just found them so [TS]

00:39:33   model I didn't know but he writes [TS]

00:39:34   beautifully it carries man same thing [TS]

00:39:36   with as with doing i would suggest if [TS]

00:39:38   you read Hyperion read the first and [TS]

00:39:40   don't read a full of Hyperion and demand [TS]

00:39:43   rise of endymion because I think they're [TS]

00:39:44   I think they lesson for me the [TS]

00:39:46   appreciation that first novel there a [TS]

00:39:48   second one especially it abandons the [TS]

00:39:50   whole narrative structure and the app [TS]

00:39:52   becomes kind of a space should be up [TS]

00:39:54   with lots of study and then ends to the [TS]

00:39:56   first of the Hyperion and so unfairly [TS]

00:39:58   though as a reader because they [TS]

00:39:59   descended into the valley and you like [TS]

00:40:01   but but because the really the point is [TS]

00:40:03   to tell you these seven stories of the [TS]

00:40:06   travelers it's it's almost like an [TS]

00:40:07   anthology set in the same universe along [TS]

00:40:09   with this framing sequence and then the [TS]

00:40:11   sequel is really like and this is what [TS]

00:40:13   happened when they got there and I read [TS]

00:40:15   it and I liked it but you're right that [TS]

00:40:17   it's sort of not the point of the first [TS]

00:40:19   book and I love you guys did love it he [TS]

00:40:22   just what I think kind of gave up on the [TS]

00:40:23   narrative structure Andy but theta so I [TS]

00:40:26   like a period i have the same problem [TS]

00:40:27   with a lot of you know books that have [TS]

00:40:29   sequels but i think this one in [TS]

00:40:30   particular it's like a period fantastic [TS]

00:40:33   one of the best science fiction novels [TS]

00:40:34   ever written despite the ending issue [TS]

00:40:36   you know the next novel thats not bad [TS]

00:40:38   but not great and then like all so I'm [TS]

00:40:42   yeah just a riparian restrain yourself [TS]

00:40:44   don't worry about don't worry about what [TS]

00:40:46   happens to the characters just out there [TS]

00:40:48   i'd say it's really too to book the [TS]

00:40:50   Paris and you could read fall of [TS]

00:40:52   hyperion I really wouldn't recommend [TS]

00:40:54   reading the Endymion rise of endymion [TS]

00:40:57   that's sure that the only reason you [TS]

00:40:59   could read the Hyperion resolution well [TS]

00:41:01   he needed the thing he was revisionist [TS]

00:41:03   Endymion and rising and oh yeah there's [TS]

00:41:04   a lot of red khan in there yeah it's [TS]

00:41:05   retcon it's very frustrating right calm [TS]

00:41:07   because you're like dude you made your [TS]

00:41:08   universe [TS]

00:41:09   you gotta live with it or rewrite your [TS]

00:41:11   box because you're just going SSJ [TS]

00:41:13   reactors [TS]

00:41:14   yeah but it's good stuff I like that a [TS]

00:41:15   lot and it was on my list i had it open [TS]

00:41:17   a little browser tab right here i was [TS]

00:41:18   going to talk about [TS]

00:41:19   well thank you so 2 plus 10 to climb [TS]

00:41:21   thank you for being such good taste i am [TS]

00:41:23   glad that people know yes got it was [TS]

00:41:25   also my list just to look at that plus [TS]

00:41:28   22 Glenn amazing thing to ya know that's [TS]

00:41:32   good that's really good he can square [TS]

00:41:33   let us move on you need for a low score [TS]

00:41:36   right it's like golf [TS]

00:41:37   it's like golf that's exactly it let's [TS]

00:41:39   move on to lex free [TS]

00:41:41   men what I can't wait to hear what legs [TS]

00:41:45   Friedman has now it's just bad travelers [TS]

00:41:47   way to Schmidt moment you guys are [TS]

00:41:50   already being cruel and haven't even [TS]

00:41:51   gotten to the embarrassing part yet i [TS]

00:41:53   will say with some trepidation that for [TS]

00:41:55   my second selection i debated between [TS]

00:41:57   not one not two but three separate [TS]

00:41:59   novels all by the same guy a very famous [TS]

00:42:02   author not necessarily renowned for his [TS]

00:42:03   sci-fi work but it was the King Stephen [TS]

00:42:07   King and I looked at the first one was [TS]

00:42:11   going to pick was 11 22 63 but i didn't [TS]

00:42:13   have two choices that had already had [TS]

00:42:14   incomparable episodes that covered them [TS]

00:42:16   and let me happy 263 and time travel [TS]

00:42:20   yeah right it's not over time travel and [TS]

00:42:22   this is felt redundant so I looked under [TS]

00:42:24   the dome which i think is over all his [TS]

00:42:26   best written story where in the you know [TS]

00:42:29   the opening scenes a strange [TS]

00:42:31   impenetrable glass dome or a glass maybe [TS]

00:42:34   not be the right material with an [TS]

00:42:35   impenetrable dome comes down over this [TS]

00:42:37   town and then you watch what happens in [TS]

00:42:39   this town with these people who are cut [TS]

00:42:40   off from the rest of the world [TS]

00:42:41   I mean it's just it's great it's long [TS]

00:42:43   its vivid and every scene is I think [TS]

00:42:45   really draw beautifully and I i think in [TS]

00:42:48   a failure that is too common to King the [TS]

00:42:50   the ending is just really kind of [TS]

00:42:52   terrible so I rejected that one and I [TS]

00:42:55   landed on the least sci-fi ish of my [TS]

00:42:58   three selections but will allow it [TS]

00:43:00   because it's a summer episode it was the [TS]

00:43:02   Long Walk which he didn't even write a [TS]

00:43:04   stephen king at the time he wrote it is [TS]

00:43:05   Richard Bachman but the long walk is I [TS]

00:43:07   think my my most beloved Stephen King [TS]

00:43:10   novel the one that i reread the most [TS]

00:43:12   often about a a dystopian society of [TS]

00:43:17   some sort and for reasons that are never [TS]

00:43:18   clearly explained various children are [TS]

00:43:22   called up each year to walk endlessly [TS]

00:43:24   and it's all televised for your [TS]

00:43:26   enjoyment and if you don't keep up with [TS]

00:43:28   the crowd or if you with the crowd of [TS]

00:43:31   young boys were all walking or if you [TS]

00:43:33   stumble or if at any point you falter [TS]

00:43:35   off the path they kill you where you [TS]

00:43:38   walk until you die and so you just it's [TS]

00:43:40   the whole book essentially is the walk [TS]

00:43:43   and that's on and also that's that's the [TS]

00:43:45   size i promise if ever there was a [TS]

00:43:47   satirical and all that so yes Lex I'll [TS]

00:43:50   allow it to [TS]

00:43:51   yes so but I mean you just you walk and [TS]

00:43:53   you walk [TS]

00:43:54   and I don't know for me it's i like it [TS]

00:43:57   for I like the story i like the fact [TS]

00:43:59   that he can tell a story where the [TS]

00:44:00   entire journey is the walking and it's [TS]

00:44:02   still a compelling read and I also think [TS]

00:44:05   it's a very clear very direct influence [TS]

00:44:08   to the Hunger Games [TS]

00:44:09   yeah so I think that is to his credit as [TS]

00:44:11   well I think that's a great choice Lex I [TS]

00:44:13   but the correct summer reading choice [TS]

00:44:15   for stephen king is probably the stand [TS]

00:44:17   but still good choice standards on my [TS]

00:44:20   summer reading list 0 for tackling it [TS]

00:44:23   o.o you should read it but you might [TS]

00:44:26   need a couple summers if you read the [TS]

00:44:27   full on uncut version but already [TS]

00:44:30   through you know song of ice and fire in [TS]

00:44:33   two months I think I care [TS]

00:44:35   yeah yeah so it's good pics already [TS]

00:44:38   called well you are next [TS]

00:44:40   don't be okay to cry whenever ya with me [TS]

00:44:44   what why do you possibly be now Jason I [TS]

00:44:47   think for my second pick [TS]

00:44:49   I'm going to have to go with another [TS]

00:44:51   book that I read probably once a summer [TS]

00:44:53   for four or five summers as I was [TS]

00:44:56   growing up and that is flowers for [TS]

00:44:58   algernon which started out life is a [TS]

00:45:01   short story and turned into a novel I [TS]

00:45:03   this book was also made it to eat not so [TS]

00:45:07   great film called Charlie which people [TS]

00:45:10   have probably seen it I've vastly prefer [TS]

00:45:13   the the book as do i with most film [TS]

00:45:17   adaptations but the plot of flowers for [TS]

00:45:20   algernon it's basically written log book [TS]

00:45:23   style wherein we basically look through [TS]

00:45:27   the eyes of a of a guy named Charlie who [TS]

00:45:33   has an IQ of 68 and you meet him and [TS]

00:45:38   he's working at this bakery and people [TS]

00:45:40   don't necessarily know people are making [TS]

00:45:42   fun of him but he can't really see it [TS]

00:45:43   because he's a little dim and he [TS]

00:45:47   basically gets drafted to be a guinea [TS]

00:45:50   pig in this experiment to supersize [TS]

00:45:53   human intelligence and so you're taking [TS]

00:45:55   on this journey as he basically becomes [TS]

00:45:58   smarter than anyone in any world and [TS]

00:46:03   sort of climbs up and in first you see [TS]

00:46:05   oh he's finally fitting in with his [TS]

00:46:07   surroundings and he [TS]

00:46:08   shooing you know all of the all of the [TS]

00:46:11   things that aren't working in his life [TS]

00:46:12   and then bad things happen with the IQ [TS]

00:46:17   test and everything starts to go wrong [TS]

00:46:18   and I really love this book because it's [TS]

00:46:23   it's weirdly disturbing in a sort of [TS]

00:46:27   it's a it's a glimpse into humanity at [TS]

00:46:30   its best and its worst because not only [TS]

00:46:32   do you see sort of Charlie's [TS]

00:46:35   transformation but because you see the [TS]

00:46:38   entire world through his eyes [TS]

00:46:41   I you really get to see you know the [TS]

00:46:44   people that he's working with at the [TS]

00:46:46   start he thinks that they're his friends [TS]

00:46:48   and as he starts to gain intelligence [TS]

00:46:52   and as he you know becomes more aware of [TS]

00:46:55   her surroundings he begins to realize oh [TS]

00:46:57   no these people are mocking me and oh [TS]

00:47:01   this woman I was you know really [TS]

00:47:03   attracted to all of a sudden I can't [TS]

00:47:07   interact with her at all because [TS]

00:47:08   everything she says makes me wanna you [TS]

00:47:10   know just walk away and I can't focus on [TS]

00:47:16   anything but you know my experiment now [TS]

00:47:19   like it's I find the entire book really [TS]

00:47:22   fascinating and i love the log book [TS]

00:47:24   style it's also kind of why I love John [TS]

00:47:27   Waltons among others it's it's really [TS]

00:47:29   really fun and intriguing to go directly [TS]

00:47:34   through a character's point of view and [TS]

00:47:35   not very many authors can do it really [TS]

00:47:37   really well and the Daniel Keyes who [TS]

00:47:41   wrote flowers for algernon just does it [TS]

00:47:44   spectacularly so if you if you haven't I [TS]

00:47:47   mean the short story if you don't have [TS]

00:47:49   time to read another story is [TS]

00:47:50   spectacular [TS]

00:47:51   I don't know if I've you read the novel [TS]

00:47:52   by remembering the short story and being [TS]

00:47:53   blown away by the novel is very good [TS]

00:47:56   the novel is a bit more adults the short [TS]

00:47:58   story i started off with a short story [TS]

00:48:00   because we actually had the the I think [TS]

00:48:03   there's a magazine that was first [TS]

00:48:04   published in we have that at my cabin [TS]

00:48:06   and I was so blown away by the short [TS]

00:48:09   story and my dad was basically like yeah [TS]

00:48:11   he wrote a full book of that that I went [TS]

00:48:13   immediately to the lake tahoe public [TS]

00:48:14   library or the South Lake Tahoe public [TS]

00:48:16   library like all right I want the actual [TS]

00:48:18   novel i think i may have actually payday [TS]

00:48:21   payday lost book fee on that one because [TS]

00:48:24   it just stayed around at the cabin for [TS]

00:48:25   years on end after that you stole it [TS]

00:48:30   from the line i know i'm a horrible [TS]

00:48:31   person but it was a really good book so [TS]

00:48:33   I I feel justified and i paid the [TS]

00:48:35   library back in spades [TS]

00:48:37   all right you might be will be Holly for [TS]

00:48:39   everybody [TS]

00:48:41   she's a betting it was Lake Tahoe she's [TS]

00:48:46   gambling minus 24 everybody who's turn [TS]

00:48:50   is it all for free cheese cases their [TS]

00:48:52   attorneys let's look do that's [TS]

00:48:54   unexpected [TS]

00:48:55   I had no idea as foreshadowed i'm going [TS]

00:49:00   to pick a william gibson novel next and [TS]

00:49:02   I think it's his best novel and that [TS]

00:49:07   comes a lot from somebody who's bought [TS]

00:49:08   neuromancer in about five different [TS]

00:49:10   formats but I i think his novel from [TS]

00:49:15   2003 pattern recognition is his best [TS]

00:49:19   work it is sort of sci-fi but it's set [TS]

00:49:22   in more or less the present day I think [TS]

00:49:24   the premise here is that our world that [TS]

00:49:26   we live in now is in many ways if you [TS]

00:49:28   view it and in those ways uh [TS]

00:49:30   science-fictional it's got a lot of his [TS]

00:49:33   typical stories you know there's kind of [TS]

00:49:35   a MacGuffin there's a mysterious [TS]

00:49:37   billionaire there's some Russian [TS]

00:49:39   mobsters but I think you just described [TS]

00:49:42   the plot of Gilligan's Island [TS]

00:49:43   yeah it is there is there are no Russian [TS]

00:49:46   mobsters there on the other side of the [TS]

00:49:48   island with the headhunters what are you [TS]

00:49:49   talking about it you know it's um though [TS]

00:49:52   the woman who is the protagonist is a is [TS]

00:49:54   a cool find her she's finding she just [TS]

00:49:57   kind of one walks around and discovers [TS]

00:49:58   what's going to be cool and she uses [TS]

00:50:01   that that's her consultancy but she [TS]

00:50:04   discovers this strange set of of film [TS]

00:50:08   clips that are posted that nobody knows [TS]

00:50:12   what they mean and they're trained [TS]

00:50:13   people are trying to figure out what [TS]

00:50:14   these uh what these strange clips that [TS]

00:50:17   are what are they called the found the [TS]

00:50:21   footage of the footage and and there's [TS]

00:50:23   like this whole internet group of people [TS]

00:50:25   who are trying to figure out its like [TS]

00:50:27   the sample is read this I couldn't [TS]

00:50:28   already [TS]

00:50:29   turn up the footage is viral alright [TS]

00:50:31   it's like viral for viral was a thing [TS]

00:50:33   for viral video was a thing his [TS]

00:50:34   allergies all those earlier it and she's [TS]

00:50:37   a marketing professional but she's [TS]

00:50:38   allergic to branding which is so is she [TS]

00:50:40   liking she if she sees the Michelin Man [TS]

00:50:43   she like breaks out in hives and has a [TS]

00:50:45   panic attack and even other brand names [TS]

00:50:48   bother her and she's like special [TS]

00:50:50   clothing that doesn't have have branding [TS]

00:50:53   and it's and there's a there's a sep [TS]

00:50:55   tember 11th reference in which in which [TS]

00:50:58   he you know I think added in the latter [TS]

00:51:00   stages but gives it gives it an [TS]

00:51:02   interesting feeling and firmly a 21st [TS]

00:51:04   century feeling and you know what he's a [TS]

00:51:06   great writer but this is this is the [TS]

00:51:07   book where like I like the characters [TS]

00:51:09   especially the protagonist Casey Pollard [TS]

00:51:14   but also big and is in it who is the [TS]

00:51:18   thief was in all three of the novels in [TS]

00:51:20   this series the Belgian ad agency [TS]

00:51:24   millionaire or billionaire that the [TS]

00:51:27   solution to what does true story of the [TS]

00:51:29   footage is leads to there's some action [TS]

00:51:31   but there's also sort of a touching [TS]

00:51:33   situation where they go to Russia and [TS]

00:51:35   try to figure out what who's behind it [TS]

00:51:37   and along the way he just he he SAT [TS]

00:51:41   arises so many things about our modern [TS]

00:51:44   culture and also extrapolates just a [TS]

00:51:46   little bit forward as somebody is a big [TS]

00:51:48   fan of Max Headroom when it was on the [TS]

00:51:50   eighties this is that feel of the 20 [TS]

00:51:52   minutes into the future it's not it's [TS]

00:51:53   not you know 500 years in the future [TS]

00:51:56   it's just where our world is going to be [TS]

00:51:59   not long after and i love that I i think [TS]

00:52:03   it is him at the top of his game taking [TS]

00:52:05   you know the skills that he's built up [TS]

00:52:07   over the years and then and then I [TS]

00:52:09   thought his middle trilogy did the first [TS]

00:52:11   trilogy that was with neuromancer he did [TS]

00:52:13   the bridge trilogy in the middle that I [TS]

00:52:14   thought wasn't that great and then he [TS]

00:52:16   came out with pattern recognition which [TS]

00:52:18   turned out to be the first of this great [TS]

00:52:20   trilogy of books and it's on its own you [TS]

00:52:25   know it's a standalone novel you don't [TS]

00:52:26   have to read the other books really good [TS]

00:52:28   highly recommended so pattern [TS]

00:52:29   recognition that's my choice [TS]

00:52:30   that's the only give us in book I've [TS]

00:52:33   ever read [TS]

00:52:34   wow wow I like what I've said I would i [TS]

00:52:38   think i would neuromancer above pattern [TS]

00:52:40   recognition for me but i do like pattern [TS]

00:52:42   recognition [TS]

00:52:42   part of it was maybe when i read it let [TS]

00:52:44   them kind of cold because i felt like it [TS]

00:52:46   was it was so unless it was so I read it [TS]

00:52:50   years after it came out and so all that [TS]

00:52:52   stuff seemed kind of like old hat at [TS]

00:52:54   that point like oh yeah viral video on [TS]

00:52:56   the internet [TS]

00:52:57   yep we're gonna put that together yeah [TS]

00:52:58   alright and like it just seems like i [TS]

00:53:01   don't know it lost a little something of [TS]

00:53:02   a of the magic of it in there I think [TS]

00:53:04   but I I it's an interesting book and [TS]

00:53:08   there's a lot to like about it [TS]

00:53:09   so the book so far ahead of its time [TS]

00:53:11   when the time comes it seems to [TS]

00:53:13   understand how well the reason i picked [TS]

00:53:16   over over in romance because neuromancer [TS]

00:53:18   is so iíve read that so many times and [TS]

00:53:20   it was so influential but I felt like it [TS]

00:53:22   was I not only is it is it of its time [TS]

00:53:26   and it is it is more kind of clearly a [TS]

00:53:30   new aurash you know if there's a [TS]

00:53:33   megaphone one there and I right now I'm [TS]

00:53:34   like 20 years after it came out and [TS]

00:53:37   still found it like engrossing idea of [TS]

00:53:38   getting very late to neuromancer and and [TS]

00:53:40   really loved it [TS]

00:53:41   yeah I I wanted to be less obvious too [TS]

00:53:44   so there you go i think is going to [TS]

00:53:45   choose to not not picking pattern [TS]

00:53:47   recognition know i think i think is not [TS]

00:53:49   is not appreciated as it should be by [TS]

00:53:53   because neuromancer is such an [TS]

00:53:56   influential novel so that's what a pic [TS]

00:53:57   okay we're in we are into the third [TS]

00:54:00   round now so we should move this on a [TS]

00:54:02   little bit faster but i would like [TS]

00:54:04   another set of books so we are going to [TS]

00:54:07   go to glen fleischmann ha see what again [TS]

00:54:10   i change the order Glenn what's your [TS]

00:54:12   pick [TS]

00:54:13   all right thing oh where the what the I [TS]

00:54:18   want to pick something broad because [TS]

00:54:20   Phil k dick i want everything he wrote [TS]

00:54:22   no no you can't i'll pick out up a few [TS]

00:54:25   but here is what you get for going to go [TS]

00:54:26   and philip k dick is not Philip do you [TS]

00:54:30   have anything my fellow Kate you're [TS]

00:54:32   googling him right now I don't have that [TS]

00:54:35   type of the field k dick you wrote an [TS]

00:54:39   enormous amount and i'll recommend a [TS]

00:54:41   couple in love when name one book [TS]

00:54:43   Oh [TS]

00:54:44   it starts with the Galactic pot healer [TS]

00:54:48   which is the craziest title i think i [TS]

00:54:50   found out about this book from blind or [TS]

00:54:52   something and I it's a great release [TS]

00:54:54   prolly weird thing with that you know a [TS]

00:54:56   creature from another planet that sort [TS]

00:54:58   of recruits the guy from this dystopian [TS]

00:54:59   version of Earth many peers is like [TS]

00:55:03   flames and a Phoenix and people can't [TS]

00:55:06   see him in this like this underwater oh [TS]

00:55:09   my god it's a great sprawling massive [TS]

00:55:11   it's funny it's weird it's a if you want [TS]

00:55:15   to get job advice you have to come up [TS]

00:55:16   with actual quarters which cost a [TS]

00:55:18   fortune and put them in like a phone [TS]

00:55:19   booth and and robot gives you advice [TS]

00:55:22   it's just it's a crazy thing I can't [TS]

00:55:23   even explain it like I'm trying to [TS]

00:55:25   explain really said that is but actually [TS]

00:55:26   plant ecologist man in the high castle [TS]

00:55:28   ubiq also like these are all some of [TS]

00:55:31   them I think man the high castle is [TS]

00:55:33   better known but I i would say pick up [TS]

00:55:35   pick up some dick there's a couple of [TS]

00:55:37   collections out now there's three from [TS]

00:55:38   the new American Library came out with [TS]

00:55:41   like officially edited and collected [TS]

00:55:44   novels and have the first of them and I [TS]

00:55:47   think it's he's a great it's not it's [TS]

00:55:50   not easy summer reading always BUTT [TS]

00:55:52   STUFF is interesting and [TS]

00:55:53   thought-provoking bizarre and you don't [TS]

00:55:54   find anything like it in most other [TS]

00:55:57   science fiction because most people were [TS]

00:55:58   not as seriously disturbed as philip k [TS]

00:56:00   dick go active pot healer is that your [TS]

00:56:03   choice [TS]

00:56:04   well let's just put that over because [TS]

00:56:05   it's just a personal but you know Phil [TS]

00:56:07   okay to get a minute you gotta take one [TS]

00:56:09   you gotta pick one all picked galactic [TS]

00:56:11   particular for 200 Alex all right [TS]

00:56:14   ok let's go to the mornin but wyd [TS]

00:56:22   writers don't know what you're on the [TS]

00:56:24   pie [TS]

00:56:25   I'm going I'm going to veer off the [TS]

00:56:27   science station train slightly to a oh I [TS]

00:56:31   know I know [TS]

00:56:32   282 a supernatural themed books are [TS]

00:56:34   still the same [TS]

00:56:35   that sounds about right it's a book [TS]

00:56:37   about supernatural now it's the [TS]

00:56:39   novelization absolutely you know maybe [TS]

00:56:41   it's only that's easier if you watch the [TS]

00:56:43   show opening tom and so yeah i know i'm [TS]

00:56:46   just going to talk to myself now [TS]

00:56:48   no it's a book called the devil you know [TS]

00:56:50   by a writer named mike carey mike carey [TS]

00:56:53   cut his teeth doing vertigo comics [TS]

00:56:55   including of a very [TS]

00:56:58   popular run on Lucifer which is branches [TS]

00:57:01   off the story from neil gaiman's sandman [TS]

00:57:03   about the the devil and he is the author [TS]

00:57:05   of the unwritten which we talked about [TS]

00:57:06   my comic book club episode I'm said I [TS]

00:57:08   seconds i'm just i'm reading that now [TS]

00:57:10   oh it's good yes it's very good i like [TS]

00:57:12   it i like it it's like a better version [TS]

00:57:14   of the magicians and so little richmond [TS]

00:57:18   Christ so I'm gonna pick I'm gonna pick [TS]

00:57:20   the w know which is the first in his [TS]

00:57:21   series about Felix fix caster who is a [TS]

00:57:24   freelance exorcist and i love this book [TS]

00:57:28   because it is again as sort of with [TS]

00:57:31   altered carbon which I talked about the [TS]

00:57:33   top of the top of the show it's very nor [TS]

00:57:34   its so basically sub out you know [TS]

00:57:37   Humphrey Bogart as a private eye for [TS]

00:57:39   this you know slightly schlubby guy who [TS]

00:57:41   you know wanders around and dispatches [TS]

00:57:43   ghosts or alternatively does magic at [TS]

00:57:46   children's parties to me to pay the [TS]

00:57:47   bills but he gets roughed up like all [TS]

00:57:49   your new our heroes and he always [TS]

00:57:51   stumbles upon these things which are [TS]

00:57:52   somehow going on that are even bigger [TS]

00:57:54   and I just I love it's so well drawn in [TS]

00:57:58   the world is so well drawn it all takes [TS]

00:58:01   place in London and there's there's i [TS]

00:58:04   think five books so far and they kind of [TS]

00:58:06   build there is sort of an ongoing plot [TS]

00:58:08   that involves his best friend who has [TS]

00:58:11   been possessed by an extremely powerful [TS]

00:58:12   demon and there are some interesting [TS]

00:58:16   characters and and the plus that develop [TS]

00:58:20   along the course of these books some of [TS]

00:58:22   them are better than others but i think [TS]

00:58:24   most of them are actually really good [TS]

00:58:25   and if you like sort of mysteries and [TS]

00:58:27   enjoy any sort of supernatural ghost [TS]

00:58:29   story type thing [TS]

00:58:31   it's an excellent excellent pic i love [TS]

00:58:33   the fact that every exorcist has to have [TS]

00:58:35   their own particular stick sort of for [TS]

00:58:38   dealing like none of them can really [TS]

00:58:40   explain how their powers work but they [TS]

00:58:41   have some method that works for them and [TS]

00:58:43   for fix it say he carries around a tin [TS]

00:58:46   whistle and uses music to sort of [TS]

00:58:48   ensnare the ghosts and and send them on [TS]

00:58:50   to their final resting place and it's [TS]

00:58:52   one of the few books that actually start [TS]

00:58:53   to get a little bit philosophical about [TS]

00:58:54   like the heck to these guys go after we [TS]

00:58:57   dispatch them like this and what does [TS]

00:58:58   that all mean so it's a it's a great [TS]

00:59:00   great series books highly recommend it [TS]

00:59:02   alright the devil you know my carry [TS]

00:59:05   let's go to a serenity Caldwell ok [TS]

00:59:10   my next book on the list is carl sagan's [TS]

00:59:14   contact which is actually been made into [TS]

00:59:17   a film that's actually half decent but I [TS]

00:59:20   i really love how about Jason that's I [TS]

00:59:24   like moving [TS]

00:59:25   I like it the movie has good point it's [TS]

00:59:27   not it's not a perfect film but it has a [TS]

00:59:30   lot of really really nice visualizations [TS]

00:59:33   so the novel contact for people who [TS]

00:59:38   haven't read it is basically about [TS]

00:59:39   scientists and first contact with an [TS]

00:59:44   alien species and how aliens might [TS]

00:59:47   contact us and trying to get the world [TS]

00:59:52   to believe that they actually have [TS]

00:59:53   contacted us at how that related to [TS]

00:59:55   faith and gets mired in all those fun [TS]

00:59:55   faith and gets mired in all those fun [TS]

01:00:00   fun subjects i love this book again I [TS]

01:00:03   mean female protagonists always a good [TS]

01:00:05   thing especially when they're pretty [TS]

01:00:07   awesome but in addition its I like how [TS]

01:00:12   this book makes you question faith and [TS]

01:00:15   fate and moments in time I as a kid I [TS]

01:00:20   loved aliens [TS]

01:00:21   I love the idea of my dad was a ham [TS]

01:00:23   radio operator so the idea of contacting [TS]

01:00:28   another planet or another race of you [TS]

01:00:33   know through the stars through radio [TS]

01:00:36   waves with such a fascinating concept to [TS]

01:00:38   me that I just don't write in which is [TS]

01:00:40   why again the the 1997 film not a [TS]

01:00:44   perfect movie but i must have washed it [TS]

01:00:46   40 or 50 times after it came out and got [TS]

01:00:51   it like I wore out that VHS just because [TS]

01:00:53   you know it's there's something really [TS]

01:00:57   excited about the idea of wanting you [TS]

01:01:01   know first contact and and wanting that [TS]

01:01:04   to be true and questioning your own [TS]

01:01:06   sanity and you know it's I I think it's [TS]

01:01:09   a really good book i've also think it's [TS]

01:01:11   a really good film and it's it's light [TS]

01:01:13   enough to be an easy beach read but it [TS]

01:01:17   leaves you with some interesting [TS]

01:01:18   questions at the close and it's great to [TS]

01:01:21   read right before desk so you can you [TS]

01:01:23   know go up on your growth for sit out on [TS]

01:01:25   a dock and look up at the stars [TS]

01:01:27   it's about in many ways the fundamental [TS]

01:01:29   science fiction story right it's the the [TS]

01:01:31   ultimate is what if there were other [TS]

01:01:34   creatures out there and what would [TS]

01:01:37   happen if we found out and that's and [TS]

01:01:40   then take the science of it which carl [TS]

01:01:42   sagan is quite capable of doing and then [TS]

01:01:44   take the you know a realistic look at [TS]

01:01:47   what the ramifications would be and and [TS]

01:01:49   that then you've got the story [TS]

01:01:51   yeah it's it's quite beautiful let's go [TS]

01:01:54   now to lex friedman I cannot think of a [TS]

01:02:00   worse book to follow-up contact within [TS]

01:02:02   my last election but I was a [TS]

01:02:05   novelization of effects of Star Wars [TS]

01:02:08   it's called about a novelization of the [TS]

01:02:12   movie contact [TS]

01:02:13   adapted from the book content and I was [TS]

01:02:17   thinking about reading and summer [TS]

01:02:19   reading and I don't think of the truth [TS]

01:02:21   is you know I don't think of some [TS]

01:02:23   reading is a specific kind of reading [TS]

01:02:25   for me anymore the way to do when I was [TS]

01:02:27   growing up because now i just read all [TS]

01:02:28   year long and I don't have extra reading [TS]

01:02:30   time in the summer because I don't take [TS]

01:02:31   a big summer vacation most summers I [TS]

01:02:33   thought back to summer sci-fi reading [TS]

01:02:36   that I would have done while growing up [TS]

01:02:37   and I thought about a book that I [TS]

01:02:39   consider my introduction to sci-fi genre [TS]

01:02:42   i thought hey i enjoy reading this and I [TS]

01:02:44   want to read more about it and so it [TS]

01:02:47   would be the book that I say introduced [TS]

01:02:48   me to sci-fi and scared me so thoroughly [TS]

01:02:50   when I wasn't reading it I don't have to [TS]

01:02:52   leave it face down because the cover was [TS]

01:02:54   scary and that is my teacher is an alien [TS]

01:02:57   by bruce coville and you know it's [TS]

01:03:01   there's a whole series of my teachers an [TS]

01:03:03   alien books that goes into my teacher [TS]

01:03:05   fried my brain and glows in the dark and [TS]

01:03:07   flunk the planet and it's all of them [TS]

01:03:09   center on the same basic premise which [TS]

01:03:11   is that aliens have invested this [TS]

01:03:12   clearly a school with very poor hiring [TS]

01:03:16   standards but it is up to various stock [TS]

01:03:19   children from that school to prevent the [TS]

01:03:22   aliens from taking over the world and [TS]

01:03:23   the world really is endangering these [TS]

01:03:24   stories for children and but luckily the [TS]

01:03:27   children are there to to rescue us in to [TS]

01:03:29   prevent the aliens from achieving what [TS]

01:03:31   they hope to achieve where I glad now [TS]

01:03:34   talk about the time that bruce coville [TS]

01:03:36   came to my school and went around the [TS]

01:03:37   classroom helping us having us each [TS]

01:03:39   describe a characteristic of an alien we [TS]

01:03:41   all created together and you know he had [TS]

01:03:42   the first person so you know how tall is [TS]

01:03:44   it insane person what colors and it got [TS]

01:03:46   to me said eyes and I said three and he [TS]

01:03:48   said you're the first person to ever say [TS]

01:03:50   a number when I ask for is everybody [TS]

01:03:51   else's provides a color and he thought I [TS]

01:03:53   was great so I also think bruce coville [TS]

01:03:54   is great but that did not influence my [TS]

01:03:56   selection of my teachers an alien today [TS]

01:03:57   so this is the book that you can slip in [TS]

01:03:59   your kids bag to take to the beach yet [TS]

01:04:03   you know once right now might my [TS]

01:04:05   five-year-old loves chapter book shoot [TS]

01:04:07   but she likes reading about fairies and [TS]

01:04:09   princesses and magic and stuff she gets [TS]

01:04:11   scared a little bit too easily for my [TS]

01:04:12   teachers nearly now but I think come [TS]

01:04:14   seven or eight she's gonna be ready but [TS]

01:04:16   anyway I really did enjoy my teachers [TS]

01:04:17   only in you know [TS]

01:04:19   I looked at it again this week and it's [TS]

01:04:23   because i still have all those books [TS]

01:04:24   because I suppose was filled with books [TS]

01:04:26   I saved from when I was a kid and I mean [TS]

01:04:28   they don't hold up well in a sense of [TS]

01:04:30   you know it's not like children's [TS]

01:04:32   literature that's really great for [TS]

01:04:33   adults to the way some might consider I [TS]

01:04:35   don't know Harry Potter hunger games [TS]

01:04:36   plus this target i think a younger [TS]

01:04:38   reading audience but the stories are [TS]

01:04:40   well-crafted and they you know you can [TS]

01:04:42   see that it's scary in the right ways [TS]

01:04:44   and it's the science fiction stuff is at [TS]

01:04:47   least well done it's got its own you [TS]

01:04:48   know thing and it works with it i know [TS]

01:04:51   it's it's it's well-crafted and it's [TS]

01:04:52   well targeted to its youthful audience [TS]

01:04:54   that's great pic great pic all right [TS]

01:04:58   we've got two selections left and cut up [TS]

01:05:01   next is me haha see i changed it around [TS]

01:05:05   i'm going to pick for some more [TS]

01:05:09   contemplation in your summer reading if [TS]

01:05:11   you'd like to think a little bit read [TS]

01:05:14   joe haldeman is classic the forever war [TS]

01:05:17   from the 74 here here just added that to [TS]

01:05:20   my summer reading list actually oh [TS]

01:05:21   that's that's a good one that was me [TS]

01:05:24   working retro actively through time to [TS]

01:05:26   put that on your list about the past few [TS]

01:05:28   days so so well it's all that time [TS]

01:05:31   dilation so that forever war which was [TS]

01:05:32   written at toward the end of the Vietnam [TS]

01:05:36   War and it is a kind of meditation on [TS]

01:05:38   the the disaffection that soldiers felt [TS]

01:05:41   it when returning home from Vietnam I [TS]

01:05:45   think it's sort of fundamentally what [TS]

01:05:46   it's about but it's not about a lot of [TS]

01:05:48   other things about cultural ships during [TS]

01:05:51   a war time and just in general it's [TS]

01:05:54   about you know the life of a soldier and [TS]

01:05:58   being removed from the people that [TS]

01:05:59   they're fighting for it's about the [TS]

01:06:01   question of whether war is necessary [TS]

01:06:04   ever whether you know regardless of what [TS]

01:06:07   the soldier we are doing is is war [TS]

01:06:09   something that should never happen [TS]

01:06:12   lots of big ideas you know there's a [TS]

01:06:14   whole subplot about the well i'm not [TS]

01:06:18   going to go into too much I mean suffice [TS]

01:06:19   to say the culture of humanity changes [TS]

01:06:22   and changes radically as these soldiers [TS]

01:06:24   keep moving through time because when [TS]

01:06:27   they they go out on a battle there's [TS]

01:06:28   huge time dilation so battles are fought [TS]

01:06:32   by the time you return hundreds of [TS]

01:06:33   thousands of years have passed and so [TS]

01:06:36   these future soldiers are quite [TS]

01:06:39   literally returning to a place that [TS]

01:06:41   isn't home and they are recognizable and [TS]

01:06:44   they don't fit in with with what they [TS]

01:06:47   got coming home to so it's just it isn't [TS]

01:06:49   it is a masterpiece [TS]

01:06:51   it is one of the classics of science [TS]

01:06:53   fiction and it's got a lot it's in that [TS]

01:06:57   mold of science fiction that not only is [TS]

01:06:58   it telling you he's telling a good [TS]

01:07:00   entertaining exciting story but the [TS]

01:07:02   social commentary that he's doing while [TS]

01:07:05   telling that story using all of the [TS]

01:07:07   things that's sci-fi can do as a kid [TS]

01:07:10   grew up watching Star Trek and realized [TS]

01:07:12   as i as i watch the original Star Trek [TS]

01:07:13   just how they were using science fiction [TS]

01:07:16   to tell you know make commentary on the [TS]

01:07:18   world that you might not get away with [TS]

01:07:20   it wasn't science fiction and people [TS]

01:07:21   with ray guns and things like that and [TS]

01:07:24   the forever war does that to the forever [TS]

01:07:25   war has this whole layer of commentary [TS]

01:07:29   that it is able to get away with by [TS]

01:07:31   having it be said in the science [TS]

01:07:32   fictional premise so it's a classic and [TS]

01:07:35   I recommend it and it's not a it's not [TS]

01:07:37   really a downer it's just I mean it's [TS]

01:07:40   weighty in its subject matter but it's [TS]

01:07:42   not really a downer it's not like going [TS]

01:07:43   to bum you out if you read it on the [TS]

01:07:44   beach it's just gonna make you think so [TS]

01:07:47   that's my choice I have to think there [TS]

01:07:49   occasionally so that's my choice and [TS]

01:07:52   that leaves us with Scott McNulty well I [TS]

01:07:56   I approve of that choice Jason and thank [TS]

01:07:58   you [TS]

01:07:59   just in case you're wondering I took [TS]

01:08:01   your silence as a descent but that is [TS]

01:08:04   good and dan have you read it i have [TS]

01:08:07   actually not ready to it's sort of been [TS]

01:08:09   my perennial list for a long time right [TS]

01:08:11   now we could work together with it gets [TS]

01:08:12   put up there is no yes forever at war [TS]

01:08:15   I've been with myself for know it's it's [TS]

01:08:17   been put up there is sort of the polar [TS]

01:08:18   opposite or in some ways the [TS]

01:08:20   conversational opposite of the Starship [TS]

01:08:22   Troopers which i think is an interesting [TS]

01:08:25   yeah I green technology lets uh atom [TS]

01:08:29   bombs in the forever wars i remembered [TS]

01:08:31   but uh my pic is a book that I like [TS]

01:08:37   honestly really yeah i-i've just tried [TS]

01:08:41   to both without this works I [TS]

01:08:43   going a little different route up the [TS]

01:08:46   sparrow by married or Russell oh [TS]

01:08:50   excellent excellent that was on my list [TS]

01:08:51   to excellent [TS]

01:08:53   yeah that thinking like this percent [TS]

01:08:54   great it is always fantastic book not [TS]

01:08:57   not a really uplifting story but I it [TS]

01:09:00   revolves around so the Jesuits find this [TS]

01:09:05   plant they hear a signal from a planet [TS]

01:09:07   so they send a space mission to it to [TS]

01:09:09   discover that there are aliens on this [TS]

01:09:12   planet and you know through a series of [TS]

01:09:16   unfortunate events they've really a kind [TS]

01:09:20   of ruined the the aliens culture and the [TS]

01:09:24   main character who's a Jesuit priest is [TS]

01:09:27   can captured by this alien who is an [TS]

01:09:31   artist and who does not nice things to [TS]

01:09:35   this priest [TS]

01:09:35   ah but it's in keeping with the alien [TS]

01:09:38   culture so if they don't think of it as [TS]

01:09:40   not nice but uh the Jesuit priest [TS]

01:09:43   certainly does and he ends up coming [TS]

01:09:45   back to earth a kind of doubting his [TS]

01:09:48   faith and hating God for making him take [TS]

01:09:50   this mission to this planet I it's [TS]

01:09:53   beautifully written [TS]

01:09:54   yeah it i went to a Jesuit High School [TS]

01:09:57   so I i'm interested in the Jesuits [TS]

01:09:59   connection but I think even if you were [TS]

01:10:02   not taught by gesture with you will [TS]

01:10:03   highlight like this book i would not [TS]

01:10:05   read the sequel you know but I if you [TS]

01:10:10   plan to read the sequel just read the [TS]

01:10:13   sparrow again [TS]

01:10:14   yes you will be happy i think i was [TS]

01:10:17   hoping she was going to write some [TS]

01:10:19   additional science fiction but then [TS]

01:10:21   she's become mired in as i recall like [TS]

01:10:24   alt history Holocaust rating or so now [TS]

01:10:26   she's she's not alter history I mean she [TS]

01:10:29   really actually oracle historical sure [TS]

01:10:31   thing about world war two and in Italy [TS]

01:10:32   with that and and her latest is about [TS]

01:10:35   doc holliday and my wife read it and [TS]

01:10:37   said it was actually quite ok well [TS]

01:10:38   that's called doc but that the the the [TS]

01:10:41   sparrows great although my one complaint [TS]

01:10:43   about the sparrow is and i said in the [TS]

01:10:45   podcast a couple of times you get to [TS]

01:10:48   about eighty percent of ninety percent [TS]

01:10:49   of the weigh-in and a lot of the detail [TS]

01:10:52   kind of drops off and it becomes all [TS]

01:10:54   about the plot and it's as if she [TS]

01:10:55   realized she needed to [TS]

01:10:57   in her manuscript which is unfortunate [TS]

01:11:00   because all the stuff that I really [TS]

01:11:02   loved about it up to that point kind of [TS]

01:11:05   a lot of that fell away so she could [TS]

01:11:06   finish she does finish which is good [TS]

01:11:08   that is good she didn't just stop i know [TS]

01:11:11   you'll see my dad or like the [TS]

01:11:13   instruments but crappy exactly and seen [TS]

01:11:16   exactly that's a great pic the sparrow [TS]

01:11:19   that is one of my that is one of my [TS]

01:11:21   favorites that is on my top ten and [TS]

01:11:23   maybe even my top five list along with [TS]

01:11:25   the along with the time traveler's wife [TS]

01:11:27   honestly so if I had remembered that [TS]

01:11:29   movie with the player but I'm glad Scott [TS]

01:11:30   picked it [TS]

01:11:31   yes I Scott saved us from jenny and save [TS]

01:11:34   this just again it's what I do [TS]

01:11:36   thank you Scott thanks for saving us all [TS]

01:11:39   right we have reached the end of our [TS]

01:11:41   list we have created a 18 books that we [TS]

01:11:45   suggest that you consider reading this [TS]

01:11:47   summer in the next six weeks before yes [TS]

01:11:49   before we go or or put them on the list [TS]

01:11:52   before we go I will go around and see if [TS]

01:11:54   anybody had any others that they want to [TS]

01:11:56   mention the titles of just to get them [TS]

01:11:58   out there because you did the work why [TS]

01:11:59   not show it off and while you're [TS]

01:12:02   thinking of that i'll throw out to that [TS]

01:12:03   I had I had the diamond age or a young [TS]

01:12:06   ladies illustrated primer by neal [TS]

01:12:08   stephenson which is my favorite maybe [TS]

01:12:11   Stephenson although I like many of his [TS]

01:12:13   books and I had a million open doors by [TS]

01:12:16   john barnes which I mentioned on the [TS]

01:12:18   podcast before which is the first book [TS]

01:12:19   in a series where they there they invent [TS]

01:12:24   things that let you step from one planet [TS]

01:12:25   to another and there's lots of cultural [TS]

01:12:27   hub that happens then because cultures [TS]

01:12:29   are mixed for the first time in hundreds [TS]

01:12:31   of years and it's very interesting [TS]

01:12:33   dan do you have any extra names you [TS]

01:12:34   would like to throw out there [TS]

01:12:36   well I throw out a couple that we [TS]

01:12:37   already talked about on the podcast in [TS]

01:12:39   earlier editions which are John Scalzi [TS]

01:12:41   his old man's war [TS]

01:12:42   oh yeah right which-- someone in the [TS]

01:12:44   chatroom also mentioned good companion [TS]

01:12:46   my list that and the forever war that's [TS]

01:12:48   not a bad one in fact I i recommend all [TS]

01:12:51   three of the sequels that that's cause [TS]

01:12:53   he has a certain for the old man's we're [TS]

01:12:55   all very good yeah is about to embark [TS]

01:12:57   upon writing ace sort of a not-quite [TS]

01:13:00   serialize novel but an episodic novel [TS]

01:13:02   which will be released in in weekly [TS]

01:13:05   installments I think starting in [TS]

01:13:07   december Wow contours website which [TS]

01:13:10   sounds [TS]

01:13:10   very interesting so I put that out there [TS]

01:13:12   and of course the day i think one of the [TS]

01:13:14   first books we talked about on this [TS]

01:13:16   podcast which is Nick Harkaway is gone [TS]

01:13:17   away world which remains one of the best [TS]

01:13:19   science fiction novels i've read in [TS]

01:13:20   recent years [TS]

01:13:21   it's a good book we should talk about [TS]

01:13:22   angel maker and future pot yes we should [TS]

01:13:24   it's not quite your makers not quite [TS]

01:13:26   science-fictional that's why I special [TS]

01:13:28   woman now [TS]

01:13:28   kind of yeah okay kinda we'll talk about [TS]

01:13:30   that that's good that's good glad you do [TS]

01:13:33   you have any leftovers on your list [TS]

01:13:34   I got a bunch i'll go through superfast [TS]

01:13:36   leavin have a nurse Lee kayla quinn [TS]

01:13:38   great on my bookshelf yes uplift war of [TS]

01:13:41   all the different [TS]

01:13:43   yeah they bring we can talk about [TS]

01:13:44   Everett bring a future podcast I think [TS]

01:13:46   up therefore of all of those I think I [TS]

01:13:48   reds 6 uplift universe novels anymore i [TS]

01:13:52   think up therefore I like it's got a [TS]

01:13:54   great plot great character is kind of [TS]

01:13:55   fun [TS]

01:13:56   its moves along and there's some really [TS]

01:13:58   hilarious stuff and it was the gorillas [TS]

01:14:00   not going on with all the things exactly [TS]

01:14:02   much better uh NM because it rewired my [TS]

01:14:05   brain I think it's one of my favorite [TS]

01:14:07   Stevenson's red mars blue Mars screen [TS]

01:14:09   Mars Kim Stanley Robinson yeah varied [TS]

01:14:12   you know long series very involved [TS]

01:14:14   million characters but i think he pulls [TS]

01:14:15   it off quite well [TS]

01:14:16   shadow of the torturer claw of the [TS]

01:14:18   conciliator by Gene Wolfe I've read a [TS]

01:14:20   lot of Gene Wolfe I wish I hadn't read [TS]

01:14:22   much changed much of Gene Wolfe but [TS]

01:14:24   those to the first in the the torturers [TS]

01:14:27   rates than the ones that some of the new [TS]

01:14:29   earth series of anger was called those [TS]

01:14:31   first two I quite liked and solaris [TS]

01:14:34   stanislav alem magnificent crazy [TS]

01:14:37   difficult book that makes your brain [TS]

01:14:39   working different ways after you read it [TS]

01:14:41   awesome alright that's good Lex do you [TS]

01:14:44   have anymore laughter work with were [TS]

01:14:45   those your three science fiction books [TS]

01:14:46   that you've ever read [TS]

01:14:47   no I had others i am I couldn't decide [TS]

01:14:50   between various I couldn't decide from [TS]

01:14:53   various kurt vonnegut novels so I [TS]

01:14:54   rejected them all but I was considering [TS]

01:14:57   you know I think obvious Monica choices [TS]

01:14:58   like sirens of titan and slaughterhouse [TS]

01:15:00   five and uh help me another one after a [TS]

01:15:04   long battle and butt [TS]

01:15:08   and if you guys hadn't all hated it I [TS]

01:15:12   would have mentioned ready player one [TS]

01:15:14   because I think you all need wrong about [TS]

01:15:15   it as long as we didn't all hitched [TS]

01:15:17   which I do i read on because Scott [TS]

01:15:20   McNulty mentioned it on twitter so i [TS]

01:15:21   bought and read it and such a and i [TS]

01:15:25   think yeah that's that's what i was [TS]

01:15:27   thinking about kurt vonnegut nothing [TS]

01:15:28   ready player one and I knew that [TS]

01:15:29   mentioning the 2nd one would get me [TS]

01:15:31   really cool too i left it off alright [TS]

01:15:32   Kurt Vonnegut is much better than ready [TS]

01:15:34   player one is that strong ordered or [TS]

01:15:36   feed which nobody has mentioned my [TS]

01:15:40   certainty Caldwell do you have any [TS]

01:15:42   leftovers and a couple of guesses for [TS]

01:15:45   space which I've mentioned several times [TS]

01:15:46   on this podcast was a short young adult [TS]

01:15:48   collection by Ray Bradbury is fantastic [TS]

01:15:52   I i adore it American God's neil gaiman [TS]

01:15:56   pseudo fantasy Sudan I had that on my [TS]

01:15:59   list and then I decided it wasn't sci-fi [TS]

01:16:01   really yeah but a great book i love it i [TS]

01:16:04   feel really really not see boys American [TS]

01:16:06   Gods looks better than boys yeah you'd [TS]

01:16:08   like American I would tend to agree and [TS]

01:16:10   that's it was kinda like a fable [TS]

01:16:12   american gods as I don't know there's a [TS]

01:16:13   little more in there's me a little more [TS]

01:16:15   meters more than shall return it yeah [TS]

01:16:17   that's good i can't believe no one [TS]

01:16:19   mentioned hitchhiker's guide to the [TS]

01:16:20   galaxy [TS]

01:16:21   I think of that ya next time reading [TS]

01:16:23   you're right you're on [TS]

01:16:24   true you're a deficient because i hated [TS]

01:16:26   I thought it was too obvious but yeah I [TS]

01:16:29   michael crichton's Jurassic Park [TS]

01:16:30   actually i have on my list when i read a [TS]

01:16:33   lot of Creighton growing up over the [TS]

01:16:34   summer and weird [TS]

01:16:36   yeah it's a well I mean it's not it's [TS]

01:16:38   again books that aren't maybe the best [TS]

01:16:40   books in the world but are good [TS]

01:16:41   interesting sci-fi and have been made [TS]

01:16:44   into i guess most of my pics we've made [TS]

01:16:46   it to weird movies and I didn't have [TS]

01:16:50   ender's game on the list because I know [TS]

01:16:52   it's a controversial book but i can't [TS]

01:16:54   help but always grateful yeah its [TS]

01:16:56   controversial author google [TS]

01:16:59   controversial exactly i love the book [TS]

01:17:01   but i always feel guilty mentioning it [TS]

01:17:03   and people in the chat room ER yeah and [TS]

01:17:06   then finally I I'm i keep on debating [TS]

01:17:08   about following Joe Waltons science [TS]

01:17:12   fiction list among others because there [TS]

01:17:14   are a hundred nineteen or so really [TS]

01:17:18   potentially good science fiction books [TS]

01:17:20   on there and i have read very [TS]

01:17:21   few of them like maybe one summer all [TS]

01:17:23   just sit down and read one of those a [TS]

01:17:25   day but that's that's always a good book [TS]

01:17:28   to read if you want pics for even more [TS]

01:17:30   science fiction novels i agree just read [TS]

01:17:33   your walls and and it's also my pic and [TS]

01:17:36   Scott's pick for the for the hugo award [TS]

01:17:38   so you could read a good book and and [TS]

01:17:41   find out about what about the good grade [TS]

01:17:43   that's great and did Scott did i ask you [TS]

01:17:45   I think you're the last one left without [TS]

01:17:47   you you did not ask me and so i will now [TS]

01:17:50   answer please please do i I keep [TS]

01:17:52   flashing back to when I was a in high [TS]

01:17:54   school [TS]

01:17:55   one of my friends father's head like a [TS]

01:17:57   shelf of Star Trek novels and I spent [TS]

01:17:59   the summer reading like 40 Star Trek [TS]

01:18:01   novels they weren't very good i remember [TS]

01:18:04   one where Captain Kirk was in a pie [TS]

01:18:08   fight with Klingons was located but and [TS]

01:18:12   Spock's world those sticks out to me as [TS]

01:18:15   a good book i don't remember anything [TS]

01:18:16   about it but i do remember is being [TS]

01:18:18   probably the best one out of those that [TS]

01:18:20   i read but also AM banks has written a [TS]

01:18:24   series of books about the culture it's a [TS]

01:18:27   space opera good they're really good [TS]

01:18:30   what else can i record bed i have ai [TS]

01:18:33   throw an easy is his other non culture [TS]

01:18:35   book the algebra is too which is a yes i [TS]

01:18:37   have the out of my copy of the algebraic [TS]

01:18:39   I didn't have the last two pages in it [TS]

01:18:41   so how was a crucial Scott able my work [TS]

01:18:45   together because formula incomplete sad [TS]

01:18:48   i am currently in the midst of reading [TS]

01:18:51   the Middle Kingdom by David wingrove [TS]

01:18:55   which is it came out and the eighties is [TS]

01:18:57   this like a nine or 28 or tens volume [TS]

01:19:02   series of books uh the first one is [TS]

01:19:05   chunko it is one of these series of the [TS]

01:19:08   last book is absolutely horrible and [TS]

01:19:10   kind of retro actively ruins the entire [TS]

01:19:12   series but i haven't read the last book [TS]

01:19:14   and the first book is incredible so I [TS]

01:19:16   wouldn't suggest reading that and he's [TS]

01:19:18   actually in the process of releasing [TS]

01:19:20   them and as twenty volumes I don't [TS]

01:19:23   really know how that works but he is [TS]

01:19:25   doing that so that's kind of interesting [TS]

01:19:27   i'd also there's a book the reason [TS]

01:19:30   empire by scott westerfeld which is on [TS]

01:19:32   which we mentioned yes it's a another [TS]

01:19:34   kind of space opera anything although [TS]

01:19:36   keep in mind that it was originally it's [TS]

01:19:39   a two books it was released as two books [TS]

01:19:41   that was originally one book that so [TS]

01:19:43   they just kind of cut it in half so make [TS]

01:19:45   sure that you have the second book [TS]

01:19:47   immediately after the perfect because it [TS]

01:19:49   does just end up in the middle of a [TS]

01:19:52   sentence no less it's why I immediately [TS]

01:19:54   you know it's funny that you mentioned [TS]

01:19:55   Spock's world because that's Diane [TS]

01:19:57   Dewayne and she wrote the wounded sky [TS]

01:19:59   which I thought was the best of the Star [TS]

01:20:00   Trek novels will see there's no which is [TS]

01:20:03   like at she makes a real attempt to try [TS]

01:20:06   to understand what a space battle would [TS]

01:20:08   actually be like instead of just saying [TS]

01:20:10   that their phasers and then no its [TS]

01:20:11   twenty percent we can't take another hit [TS]

01:20:13   and she had a there's like tactics and [TS]

01:20:16   all and that was really cool [TS]

01:20:17   he also wrote a large amount of very [TS]

01:20:19   good fantasy books for people who don't [TS]

01:20:21   know yet [TS]

01:20:22   yeah yeah yeah but also also wrote star [TS]

01:20:26   trek episode and the couple star trek [TS]

01:20:27   novels is multifaceted should write the [TS]

01:20:30   one with the Klingon to the pies though [TS]

01:20:32   no I hope not gonna fix it [TS]

01:20:35   alright so on that note we're going to [TS]

01:20:39   close up the incomparables first annual [TS]

01:20:43   and maybe only annual summer reading [TS]

01:20:46   list we hope you've gotten a lot of [TS]

01:20:47   books that uh some of which have struck [TS]

01:20:49   your fancy and that you might take time [TS]

01:20:51   to read if not this summer then later on [TS]

01:20:54   this year just put them on your list and [TS]

01:20:57   with that I would like to thank my [TS]

01:21:00   guests for being here tonight Scott [TS]

01:21:02   McNulty thank you thank you this summer [TS]

01:21:04   i plan to read nothing but feed over and [TS]

01:21:07   over and over again mixing deadline a [TS]

01:21:09   little bit [TS]

01:21:10   Glenn fleischmann you'll be reading only [TS]

01:21:12   in the German this summer I assume he [TS]

01:21:15   died I ya novel LOL thats let's say I [TS]

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