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0:00:00the incomparable podcast number 97 july

0:00:08twenty well

0:00:11welcome back to another episode of the

0:00:14incomparable i'm glenn fleischmann

0:00:16substituting for Jason L who is

0:00:18indisposed

0:00:19he's been disposed of somewhere in the

0:00:21Pacific Northwest right now and this

0:00:23week we're talking about futurama the

0:00:25animated TV series that has more lives

0:00:28than any program I believe ever on

0:00:30television to TV show that's one of the

0:00:33geekiest most scientifically accurate

0:00:35programs of fiction ever broadcast and i

0:00:40have with me tonight three guests to

0:00:44talk about the show and Enoch oh you

0:00:47know and Enoch oh great guy that guy we

0:00:50love him he's on many podcast you hear

0:00:53him on macbreak weekly is that right

0:00:55that's true on your mom the incomparable

0:00:58here mon boy squeaking podcast and any

0:01:01runs the celestial excuse me the

0:01:04celestial waste of time saying sightron

0:01:06selected you'll waste of time

0:01:09a celestial waste of bandwidth because

0:01:11this is located on the internet or

0:01:12bandwidth this used to be a one-point

0:01:14important no longer finance so thank you

0:01:17Andy for joining us and also have been

0:01:19but knee-deep Brittany of Boing Boing

0:01:21the code wrangler they're responsible

0:01:24for its back ND and welcome to the

0:01:26incomparable I want to thank you and

0:01:28Dean has recently completed watching

0:01:30futurama back-to-front so he can talk in

0:01:32depth about anything that we forgotten

0:01:34how much more recently and i also have

0:01:36Jonathan self who is a first timer on

0:01:38the incomparable John is executive

0:01:41editor at a funny publication that

0:01:42writes about shiny objects that some

0:01:46people buy that are aluminum and pretty

0:01:48tight right my shiny metal Mac bite my

0:01:51shiny metal that's right so thanks for

0:01:54being on everybody and so the futurama

0:01:57was funny it's a I want to think it was

0:01:59an acquired taste that when I first

0:02:01found out about the show I thought I was

0:02:03the only one watching and it turned out

0:02:04that was sort of true at one point you

0:02:06know futurama has this crazy history of

0:02:09being on the air it comes from for

0:02:12listeners who don't know the show and

0:02:15you'll have a chance to explore its has

0:02:17had several seasons now those seasons

0:02:19have broken up in a sort of ridiculous

0:02:21way it was an outgrowth of some ways of

0:02:24the simpsons is co-created by matt

0:02:26groening a simpsons creator and one of

0:02:28the longtime writers and showrunners

0:02:30david cohen David X Cohen x not his real

0:02:33middle name who came up with this notion

0:02:37Matt back to it and they created this

0:02:39spinoff show that was supposed to run

0:02:41around the same time as the simpsons on

0:02:43the Fox television network in the end

0:02:46fox for some reason they had this

0:02:48strange antipathy for the show it's not

0:02:50that disrupted poorly but they like to

0:02:52move it around a lot so it first aired

0:02:54from 1999-2000 three on broadcast

0:02:57television with any given week you

0:02:59wouldn't know where you'd find it on the

0:03:01what time would be on that week because

0:03:03of football and other things then it was

0:03:05in reruns from 2003-2007 on cartoon

0:03:08network but it was did so well there

0:03:10after a reboot of family guy

0:03:12direct-to-dvd the Fox home television

0:03:16network a different part of box that was

0:03:18little clever 20th Century Fox

0:03:20television portion i guess in the home

0:03:23port heart commission for direct to DVD

0:03:26movies that later within aired on Comedy

0:03:31Central which they took over this

0:03:33indication of the previously our

0:03:36episodes and that's been on Comedy

0:03:38Central since they did 26 new episodes

0:03:41in 2010-2011 and the new season just

0:03:45launched in middle of june with a two

0:03:48back-to-back episodes in the season

0:03:49premiere sort of crazy and i had the

0:03:51opportunity for Boing Boing a few weeks

0:03:53ago to talk to David X Cohen about the

0:03:57show and and he you know he laughs it's

0:04:00amazing laughs first here's the show has

0:04:01not been continuously produced you know

0:04:03since 9i tension is produced in fits and

0:04:05starts but it's pretty amazing to

0:04:08survive that long and its tribute I

0:04:10think to the great great fan ship behind

0:04:14it so anyway that's the that's what we

0:04:17got to here now so this week we'll talk

0:04:20about

0:04:21the show more in-depth we like it's some

0:04:23of our favorite episodes of new episodes

0:04:24and in the future of futurama so and i

0:04:28know that your big fan you you're one of

0:04:30the folks who are advocating for

0:04:32futurama seemed uncomfortable episode

0:04:35what do you like about the show so much

0:04:37have you been a fan from the beginning

0:04:39yeah i mean you start off as a simpsons

0:04:41fan and so you just hear the same team

0:04:43that does the simpsons doing a new show

0:04:45oh my god are you on board for that but

0:04:48I really think that

0:04:49futurama surpassed the simpsons probably

0:04:52and that's not a slam against the

0:04:53simpsons I think it's just because the

0:04:55writers and approaches they get a break

0:04:57and enforced break unfortunately but I i

0:05:00think that they have had enough time to

0:05:01really develop the characters time off

0:05:03to explore other things and I do think

0:05:06that they invest far far more in every

0:05:09episode than any writing staff on any

0:05:11other great animated series ever there

0:05:14every to every time i'm at the end of a

0:05:16really great episode

0:05:18you're really aware of how they spurned

0:05:21every opportunity to take a shortcut and

0:05:24on so many other shows

0:05:26they'll come up the they'll be an

0:05:27interesting idea they lead off with and

0:05:29then it sort of Peters out for five

0:05:30minutes and they jump off and go into

0:05:32something else I think the futurama it's

0:05:34like they come with a really bizarre

0:05:36idea that's really great Gilbert and

0:05:38Sullivan style idea and then they sort

0:05:40of like stop that part of the creative

0:05:42meeting and they just sit around all day

0:05:44and think about what are the

0:05:44consequences of this like if if if

0:05:47bender really was able to create a

0:05:5060-percent scaled-down virtudes

0:05:5360-percent scaled-down duplicates of

0:05:55themselves at will

0:05:57what would eventually happen based on

0:05:59not only what we know about these

0:06:01characters but also what we know about

0:06:02science and they will play it out to the

0:06:04very very very and I was watching a

0:06:07bunch of episodes over the past two or

0:06:09three days and it really occurred to me

0:06:11that how many different times have we

0:06:12witnessed different characters or maybe

0:06:14the entire cast experiencing the

0:06:18entirety of the universe's evolution

0:06:20from start to finish

0:06:22I was that I was watching one of my

0:06:23favorite shows a clockwork origin and

0:06:26once again here's another one where they

0:06:28get to watch everything

0:06:30from start to finish was looking at the

0:06:33late Philip J fry in which they

0:06:35refreshments the time machine that can

0:06:36only move forward and they have to watch

0:06:38the entire creation and death of the

0:06:40universe three times they have a beloved

0:06:42kind of OCD that said no no we can't

0:06:45skip anything if they have a time

0:06:46machine that only goes forward this is

0:06:48the only way they can possibly get back

0:06:51the science is wonderful but and the in

0:06:53here again they're doing things in a

0:06:55really difficult way I I loved a

0:06:57clockwork origin because it starts off

0:07:00the way that you would assume that a

0:07:02very nerd geek oriented show would go

0:07:04over we're going to talk about

0:07:06protesters protesting the teaching of

0:07:08evolution and you serve clasping your

0:07:11hands are great they're going to really

0:07:12stick it to those people who want

0:07:13although textbooks rewritten to say that

0:07:16you know that the universe was created

0:07:17600 they're going to really stick it to

0:07:19them and by the end of the show they're

0:07:21actually saying well actually there's a

0:07:23possibility that creationism really

0:07:25exists maybe we shouldn't actually

0:07:27dismiss these people as idiots because

0:07:29there is a way that evolution and

0:07:31creationism can actually sit

0:07:32side-by-side that is not only a

0:07:34difficult thing to do

0:07:36it's a risk keeping to do it really is

0:07:38that idea that they always take the hard

0:07:39way out and they make it so much better

0:07:42for all that well I don't agree with

0:07:44that too is where they see everything

0:07:46through their conclusion they don't make

0:07:47a cheap joke and right if and you know i

0:07:49think another running joke in the show

0:07:51is never agree is that the number of

0:07:52times that Philip J fry dies he dies and

0:07:56dies that he beat doctor who you know in

0:07:58Doctor Who the current weather character

0:08:00pains Rory Rory dies many times but I'm

0:08:03afraid Philip fry has to hide don't know

0:08:05how many times for real and fantasies in

0:08:09you know with cloning and robots and

0:08:11reassembly really is a thousand years

0:08:13old so that was also he's also ancient

0:08:16writings of thousands been frozen for a

0:08:17thousand years i suppose in place should

0:08:19be cap the you know for people who

0:08:21haven't seen the shell there may be some

0:08:22incompetent listeners the show

0:08:25essentially follows Philip J fry is a

0:08:28pizza delivery boy on the eve of the

0:08:30terminal nem comes two thousand falls

0:08:33into a cryogenic suspension chamber is

0:08:35working in the year 3000

0:08:37and meets up with his many time

0:08:39great-nephew dr. Farnsworth who is a mad

0:08:44genius and runs delivery company and

0:08:47hijinks ensue he falls in love so do you

0:08:52just watch the entirety of the show

0:08:54again the themes that emerged for you

0:08:56from watching the whole thing from front

0:08:58to back

0:08:59yeah actually there are few things in

0:09:01particular the way they the show changes

0:09:05after its in cancelled and brought back

0:09:08I and it like when they first come back

0:09:13they take they they come back with think

0:09:16season five numbers got weird to so i

0:09:21think the four DVD movies or straight to

0:09:24DVD movies i think are all supposedly

0:09:26he's like 16 episodes of season 5 mm

0:09:29technically well five on IMDb is the one

0:09:32with Jurassic bark and the staying the

0:09:36Farnsworth pair Farnsworth para box

0:09:38those types of things on that season I

0:09:41think technically that season four is

0:09:43not once a season 5 says five on mtv

0:09:45it's a little it's a little weird but no

0:09:49but I don't you start to let that was

0:09:50the last one of the farms work paradox

0:09:53this was the last that was part of the

0:09:54season was this 2003 yes one of the last

0:09:57ones i realized i was looking at my

0:09:59favorite episodes and several them come

0:10:00from the end of the last broadcast run

0:10:03and David Cohen said we talked recently

0:10:05reminded me that the show is really

0:10:07cancelled after season three and they

0:10:10had so many episodes in the hopper that

0:10:12the fourth season was bits and pieces of

0:10:14everything that they hadn't yet aired so

0:10:16a lot of good stuff showed up there but

0:10:18they were just trying to be running it

0:10:19out if you look at the production

0:10:21numbers for those they're like third the

0:10:24third season of production and they

0:10:26aired and what was called the four

0:10:28season and the season was mostly the

0:10:30fourth season production like it's

0:10:32really confusing especially when you're

0:10:33trying to rip your dvds and then tag

0:10:36them you have to try to figure out the

0:10:39dvds have them in the production order

0:10:41not in the running order so gets really

0:10:43confusing when you're watching him from

0:10:44the disk it goes from being kind of like

0:10:47I jokes about the future

0:10:49and things like that to this really

0:10:51think II season all of a sudden it gets

0:10:53very deep and it's talking about like I

0:10:56you know fries dog and it's it's a very

0:10:59emotional where his relation fries

0:11:02relationship with Leela grows it grows a

0:11:04lot and it changes quite a bit and then

0:11:06it kind of it stops again there

0:11:09we're not guiding a new Watchers to is

0:11:12so Leela is the one I'd we first think

0:11:15she's an alien the early seasons turns

0:11:16out spoiler alert

0:11:18Leela is actually a mutant from the

0:11:20sewers underneath the city of New York

0:11:22and she's the captain of the planet

0:11:25express delivery ship that's one by one

0:11:28by dr. Farnsworth and fries love

0:11:30interest but she's always rejected and

0:11:32partly because fries kind of an idiot he

0:11:34sort of a homer simpson great idiot

0:11:36within extreme streaks of cleverness and

0:11:39persistence so that's part of the

0:11:42running thing right is that this is a

0:11:43the tension between whether they will

0:11:45actually become a couple or not any more

0:11:47of a slob and Homer Simpson actually so

0:11:49he's got that going for him he goes from

0:11:52just kind of being a slob and being

0:11:54uninformed to kind of being an idiot and

0:11:57and Homer Simpson kind of does the same

0:11:59the same ah traversal there where he's

0:12:03just he becomes the butt of the joke on

0:12:07his own intelligence rather than his his

0:12:10ignorance or his like misunderstanding

0:12:13of situations and and it's a subtle

0:12:15difference but it's it's kind of

0:12:17disappointing i think to see him become

0:12:20like such a brew basically wasn't the

0:12:23problem in the simpsons to is that

0:12:24homeowners intelligence varied from sub

0:12:26Neanderthal to like almost normal for

0:12:29episode episode and sometimes he came up

0:12:31with a brilliant business ideas and

0:12:32executed them at the same thing with fry

0:12:34like if you look at the episode one of

0:12:36my favorites the devil's hands are idle

0:12:38playthings which fri does a deal with

0:12:40the devil and compose this opera this

0:12:42holographic opera but he has the ability

0:12:45to compose an operating extra

0:12:46intelligence just got the hands you like

0:12:48wait a minute

0:12:49he is such a sensitive soul and

0:12:50intelligence to compose this you know

0:12:52lyrical work and yet he can barely tie

0:12:54his shoes remember to swallow it

0:12:57listen I think he's more like Homer

0:12:58Simpson without the without the ability

0:13:01to get completely distracted and

0:13:03unfocused disease easier basic guy in

0:13:07his you know early to mid-twenties where

0:13:10he hasn't found his life's goal yet he

0:13:13hasn't found that drive and ambition I

0:13:15don't think he's in he's a super idiot

0:13:17he's just a little bit a bit of a

0:13:19surface surface into let's just say but

0:13:22but once he once he realized that

0:13:24something has to be done

0:13:25he's gonna work it out he's gonna get it

0:13:27done we've seen so many feature on

0:13:28episodes where he is absolutely

0:13:31dedicated focused and devoted and yes

0:13:35yes he has faithfully as a pair of lucky

0:13:37pants that gets any situation but but

0:13:40but but then you realize that the

0:13:43writers actually like it appreciate that

0:13:45because he's one in this episode in

0:13:47which they need to evacuate the earth

0:13:48there's an escape ship with a limited

0:13:51number of seats on it

0:13:52the government creates a machine that

0:13:53will evaluate how valuable each person

0:13:55is whether they're worthy of this thing

0:13:57of it was to go in there

0:13:58the professor's old old old man probably

0:14:01die soon anyway brilliant brilliant

0:14:02inventor pass your ticket delivery boy

0:14:06nowhere no or no valuable skills past

0:14:08here's your ticket

0:14:09I like your pads his really major

0:14:13accomplishments that are hugely

0:14:15motivated by leela like him his love for

0:14:18Leela like overcomes all these

0:14:20ridiculous like I detriments that he has

0:14:24he rearranges the stars for her he lets

0:14:28her onto the spaceship there he he's in

0:14:31he's in this in the sting he's going to

0:14:33die basically because you know he throws

0:14:36himself in front of this be

0:14:38that's this while be that's coming at

0:14:40them most of the things his when he's

0:14:43really at its best

0:14:44it's in the defense or in the wooing of

0:14:48this counterpart character will hit the

0:14:50things he's just so he's completely

0:14:53selfless a lot of the time like he's

0:14:55gets freaked out and does things but i

0:14:56think it's it's a weird character in

0:14:58that I'm that he's willing to always

0:14:59write throw himself

0:15:00whatever to do anything he gives up

0:15:02there's an episode in which it's the one

0:15:04with the spaceship gets a new

0:15:05personality that with the sigourney

0:15:07weaver's voice love and rocket fuel

0:15:09lovin

0:15:10love and I'm in little rock and there's

0:15:12a bit of course we're recreating part of

0:15:14the scene from 2001 and disabling how

0:15:17and they're floating in this airless

0:15:19space and space suits pushing out cans

0:15:21of slur much are like memory core units

0:15:23and popping them open and uh Lila's

0:15:26oxygen tank was empty and fri without

0:15:28telling your pops is chosen to her so

0:15:31that he might die so she can let me just

0:15:33and there's a thousand incidents like

0:15:34that in the show but yeah I'm i think we

0:15:37should talk favorite episodes before we

0:15:39get too far along i think we've

0:15:40introduced some of the basic concepts

0:15:42and characters of the show and John I

0:15:45think we've pointed at you lease so i

0:15:47think you should come up what's one of

0:15:49your favorite episodes of this program

0:15:51well you mentioned film or a second ago

0:15:54and the main voice that he does is

0:15:57Hermes Conrad who is the rasta

0:16:01bureaucrat who sort of runs the office

0:16:04and those all the paperwork and

0:16:05everything and he's definitely one of my

0:16:07favorite characters and there's an

0:16:09episode called how hermes requisition to

0:16:12his groove back and that you know the

0:16:17the title the title alone is great

0:16:19because it makes you think of the the

0:16:21movie how stella got her groove back

0:16:23but it's it's just this really fun

0:16:27episode with you know him and he's so

0:16:31excited about being a beer creditors you

0:16:33know that the whole society so

0:16:34bureaucratic and they have numbers and

0:16:36you know you you get promoted your

0:16:38number gets lower and and i just love

0:16:41the beginning of the episode that they

0:16:43have these you know pneumatic tubes and

0:16:46he says I look it's a letter from the

0:16:49central bureaucracy and it says

0:16:51attention Hermes Conrad you're about to

0:16:53receive a letter from the central

0:16:54bureaucracy and then he gets the letter

0:16:56from the central bureaucracy eh you know

0:16:58it's just this whole thing and it's very

0:17:00it's very Brazil like in the whole this

0:17:05this whole thing comes together and I

0:17:08you know fri has an affair with the

0:17:11bureaucrat who comes to inspect the

0:17:13office and then bender finds out so to

0:17:15cover her tracks she removes benders

0:17:17brain which is in his entire personality

0:17:19fits on a three-and-a-half inch floppy

0:17:21disk

0:17:22and she puts it in the tube and it

0:17:24disappears and they have to go find it

0:17:26and it's just just this great thing

0:17:28where he goes and he has to sort this

0:17:30entire gigantic inbox master inbox pile

0:17:33in four minutes and it turns into this

0:17:37big song and dance routine he's doing

0:17:39the scar number and there's lindo wing

0:17:41and everything and it's just one of my

0:17:43favorites and and the best part is I you

0:17:47know near the end he finishes everything

0:17:48and the the number one bureaucrat who's

0:17:51number 1 point 0 something like yeah you

0:17:54know you finished you did a great job

0:17:55but you finish with two seconds to spare

0:17:58and a good bureaucrat never finishes

0:18:00anything early so I'm demoting you

0:18:02something like that and it's just one of

0:18:04what one of my favorite as hermes is

0:18:06just such a great character and that's

0:18:08that 16 in my mind I really haven't

0:18:11explained vendor to listeners who are

0:18:13not don't know the show and maybe you

0:18:16should take a crack at what what is

0:18:17bender who is bender bender is a robot

0:18:21designed to bend girders he's like a

0:18:24manufacturing or construction robot but

0:18:27he in the very first episode he's going

0:18:30to go commit suicide with I he tries to

0:18:35get a double suicide and suicide

0:18:37telephone booth it's a suicide booth

0:18:39that shaped exactly like a telephone

0:18:40booth and fries trying to place a call

0:18:42so they are he's there to go commit

0:18:46suicide and I he and fri wind-up sort of

0:18:50intertwined and becoming good friends

0:18:52because they decide not or fri sort of

0:18:56help spender decide not to commit

0:18:58suicide and and they later on a bender

0:19:06ah electrocute is antenna on a broken

0:19:09light bulb and his programming is all

0:19:12change so he has a lot more free will

0:19:15then the other robots and he cannot he

0:19:18can be lazy and not be totally committed

0:19:22to his programming

0:19:23yeah he's the he's got a lot of the best

0:19:26taglines the show like my shiny metal

0:19:28ass

0:19:29of course

0:19:30smoke cigars alcohol is necessary to his

0:19:33proper functioning naturally so Andy

0:19:35tell me tell me sir what is one of your

0:19:38favorite episodes of futurama I gotta go

0:19:40back to something I mentioned during

0:19:41winter that others episode you're

0:19:43talking you're talking about we are

0:19:45favorite nerdy TV shows

0:19:47previously on being comfortable i love

0:19:49the God fellows episode so much hit real

0:19:52it really is one of my favorite episodes

0:19:55of television

0:19:56full stop what happens is that a bender

0:19:58gets shot into space irretrievably but

0:20:02he's leaving these leaving the

0:20:03university's just completely stranded

0:20:05and the the premises that there are like

0:20:09microbes that like circling his body and

0:20:11as has happened so often the show

0:20:14features a vendor course gets to witness

0:20:17the entire rise and fall of an entire

0:20:18new civilization as these tiny tiny

0:20:21microscopic beings go through evolution

0:20:23on his chest plate and of course they're

0:20:26worshipping Him as a god because he is

0:20:29their entire planet and he has faced and

0:20:31he can actually say okay now you're

0:20:32gonna want to grow crops and been free

0:20:35for how to bring me some beer and it and

0:20:38as is going to happen they they become

0:20:42into two different factions of society

0:20:44disagreeing on how to please bender

0:20:46bender because he's bored starts off by

0:20:49being the God but also starts off by

0:20:52being stopping the angry god saying all

0:20:54well okay I guess I can see if you're

0:20:56praying to me to save your kid okay i'll

0:20:58try to save your kid how about if i hope

0:21:00i get if i put more water here to give

0:21:03you something to give you make your

0:21:04crops flourish and of course you want

0:21:05some flooding out the entire village

0:21:07gets to see everybody died and there are

0:21:09wars on his chest and he's trying to

0:21:11stop and try to help things and finding

0:21:14himself in these increasingly futile

0:21:15situations and the Beast story

0:21:18what a wonderful b-story fri showing the

0:21:20sort of care for his friends that is a

0:21:22that is a constant for his character he

0:21:25knows that his friend is gamma rays you

0:21:26must be out there somewhere so we

0:21:28conduct this huge huge search to try to

0:21:31find bender and get him back though but

0:21:33at the end of bender story he's now it

0:21:36is the entire civilization on his honors

0:21:38on the robot or so has died out killed

0:21:41each other

0:21:42he's actually a lot sadder than you

0:21:43imagined he would be given me such a

0:21:44selfish individual and he winds up at

0:21:47the end of the universe to this sort of

0:21:49sentient cloud of whatever the fill in

0:21:53the blank and the subtext is that this

0:21:56could be this cloud is could actually be

0:21:59the god of our universe

0:22:00when do you see a show like this

0:22:02actually any show period that tries to

0:22:05tackle a spiritual topic without making

0:22:09it endlessly dreary like touched by an

0:22:12angel or any other intentionally

0:22:14uplifting or spiritual or God oriented

0:22:17show i love the early shows including

0:22:19this one they have sometimes you know

0:22:20there's there's always the A&B story

0:22:22thing like that's a traditional sitcom

0:22:24or short story on works a lot of

0:22:25different kinds of the theatre and

0:22:27television we've got a main stories the

0:22:29a story that's kind of thing you're

0:22:30supposed to be paying attention to them

0:22:32often subsidiary characters have Abby

0:22:33story if you're really lucky that could

0:22:35be a sea story with even like less going

0:22:37on and futurama sometimes that ad in

0:22:40East or either episodes i can think of

0:22:42where I'm you know also held Allah

0:22:45subway into one of my favorite episodes

0:22:47is the one in which frys all 300 big

0:22:50boys is the one in which fri decides to

0:22:52drink three hundred cups of coffee

0:22:54there's a it's a play on george w bush's

0:22:57rebate early this administration the

0:23:00Nixon who is president of course in the

0:23:02future mix-ins had had a jar he decides

0:23:06to take a show windfall from one of the

0:23:10inept captains of the dupe was that

0:23:14Brannigan that branding a voice

0:23:15originally intended to be voiced by phil

0:23:18hartman we passed away but but still

0:23:20very well for a comple done so Zapp

0:23:22Brannigan defeat some space spiders and

0:23:24take all their booty other gems

0:23:26tapestries and so Nixon issues a

0:23:29three-hundred-dollar of rebate to

0:23:31everybody and prices i'm gonna buy three

0:23:33cups of coffee and across the episode he

0:23:35does it so in that episode I love this

0:23:37because there's a romance going on

0:23:39between kids at brannigans

0:23:41second-in-command is long-suffering

0:23:43amphibian the second-in-command and a

0:23:46one and A me who's one of the

0:23:48explore express employees who's the

0:23:51daughter of the richest man think in the

0:23:53galaxy owns most of Mars and they have a

0:23:56romance brewing fries try to do

0:23:58something for Leela there's a whale

0:24:00involved everyone's got different things

0:24:02going on bend the professor uses stem

0:24:06cells to look young and falls in love

0:24:07you've got i think four or five

0:24:09different romance is going on you guys

0:24:11enjoyed trying to figure out what the

0:24:12secret of life is our happiness and at

0:24:15one point hermes has bought his son

0:24:17these you know

0:24:18bamboo still boots and they get stuck on

0:24:20these boots that take them running

0:24:22through town and the whole thing is

0:24:24crazy set of different plots and it

0:24:26comes together at the end they're all in

0:24:28one place at this reception where

0:24:30they're showing off all the booty from

0:24:31the space spiders that they've stolen

0:24:34and Hermes comes in sets fire to the

0:24:36tapestry lights on fire but the windfall

0:24:39is destroyed everything is burned up

0:24:40everyone's life is in danger and fri

0:24:42drinks his 300th cup of coffee and i

0:24:45think is one of the most beautiful

0:24:46moments across all the series of the

0:24:48show where this the haha music starts

0:24:51and fri his consciousness expands and

0:24:54time slows down any very competently and

0:24:57serenely he looks out the window and

0:24:59there's a hummingbird you can see it

0:25:00swing and slowly flapping and he takes

0:25:03everybody out of the fire take small

0:25:06outside they have no idea what happened

0:25:08but I mean I I really think I don't know

0:25:10if there was a G and H and I plot in

0:25:12that and they pulled it together it was

0:25:14hilarious and it was beautiful and I

0:25:17think it's something that maybe you need

0:25:20the the lack of limitations animation to

0:25:23pull that off could you do that in and a

0:25:26series in which you had actual physical

0:25:28factors where you wouldn't this would be

0:25:31enough time to make everything happen so

0:25:32perfectly

0:25:33it is interesting you mentioned that

0:25:35episode was based off of

0:25:38ah the bush rebate I I hadn't really

0:25:41thought about that I find I've been

0:25:43watching these so much later and I was

0:25:47like nine when the show started

0:25:50so what are you 14 known

0:25:53Dean is a young yeah you're making us

0:25:56all feel really able to on so yeah I

0:26:00guess we never really i don't know what

0:26:02it's never come up before but I'm no

0:26:05one's rs200 that is so dependent is

0:26:08podcast hello

0:26:09a gentleman never asks a lady never

0:26:10tells though I i I've actually been

0:26:13kinda disappointed and then the new ones

0:26:15because they rely I mean I'm so I was

0:26:17going to mention this when you were

0:26:18talking about God fellows on where

0:26:21they're making this really beautiful

0:26:22poignant I point there and it's and it's

0:26:25relevant to a lot of different things

0:26:27today and but it's not really about any

0:26:29particular on any particular instance or

0:26:33any particular thing in present day and

0:26:37I feel like the new episodes really very

0:26:39heavily rely on current things going on

0:26:45like yo wila the davinci code

0:26:47proposition infinity proposition

0:26:50infinity is a good right that mean

0:26:51that's that play on the California

0:26:52Proposition about legalizing or banning

0:26:56or in validating a same-sex marriage

0:26:59right they made that relatively quickly

0:27:01after proposition 8 right question

0:27:03finity being a outside

0:27:05that's a joke with the you know they

0:27:06don't shy from was asking David about

0:27:08this when i did the interview and said

0:27:11you know you could they seem to actually

0:27:13willing to address and engage political

0:27:15controversy because like all good

0:27:17parodies it's through the lens of

0:27:18something that's so ridiculous they can

0:27:20get away with it where maybe hitting it

0:27:22directly i would be seen as much too

0:27:24controversial for you know comedy

0:27:26programming or something besides like a

0:27:28late night stand-up comics right the

0:27:33early episodes that that approach these

0:27:35kinds of issues like a big piece of

0:27:37garbage where a a giant ball of garbage

0:27:41that at some point shortly i think it's

0:27:44like 2,000 I don't like the 2200 or

0:27:47something like that they shot all the

0:27:49garbage from New York into space and now

0:27:52in the year 3000 it's coming back and

0:27:55it's going to crush it's going to crush

0:27:57the city it crushed the world they're

0:27:59approaching that issue in in this

0:28:02ah very broad sense and you know what is

0:28:05what is it going to be like in the in so

0:28:06far in

0:28:07future and I think that proposition

0:28:10infinity is kind of a little too close

0:28:13to that and it's a little too close to

0:28:15its own issue and I I clockwork orange

0:28:18origin to where they're having these

0:28:21issues where it's about robots but as

0:28:24you know a thousand years in the future

0:28:25maybe they should have even gotten

0:28:27further beyond that at this point you

0:28:29know robots have been around for quite a

0:28:31while and they might be able to move

0:28:33beyond it somehow and have some sort of

0:28:35even bigger issue

0:28:36yes I'm of age as well too although it's

0:28:38it's sort of hilarious a current affairs

0:28:40are realized you know you look at the

0:28:42some of the most common guest actors on

0:28:44the guest voices of the show include al

0:28:47gore the runner sure that's the case not

0:28:50his one of his children was it was an

0:28:53assistant on the show I know if she

0:28:54still is for a period of time and that

0:28:56certainly helped but I'm he's you know

0:28:58he likes they did a cartoon bit for his

0:29:02inconvenient truth there's a cartoon

0:29:04bumper that they did for it but he's

0:29:06always on you know he's always on

0:29:07talking about being the Emperor of Mars

0:29:10and global warming inventing the

0:29:13internet and it makes fun of himself

0:29:14pretty tremendously on the show and it

0:29:15says in some fairly ki episode so there

0:29:18is a there's a tendency to have a you

0:29:20know just like having algo around as a

0:29:22guest voice to have a sense of

0:29:24contemporary politics there's another

0:29:27issue the show I think that I'm it

0:29:29brings people back again and again as

0:29:31you know we like individual episodes

0:29:32there's ones will does we call out i

0:29:34think there's a complexity to the show

0:29:36that the detail attention they take 22

0:29:40at most times I was remembering how to

0:29:42look this up because I remember that

0:29:43from the very first episode they design

0:29:45multiple languages to be using the show

0:29:47and one is a simple substitution cipher

0:29:51so it's just every letter in Latin is

0:29:53substitute with the lab the Latin

0:29:55alphabet is substituted with a symbol

0:29:57but there is also an alphabet that I

0:29:59think they waited for people i remember

0:30:00reading a david cone back years ago

0:30:03talking about this they put it in there

0:30:04and they figured that people would

0:30:05freeze frame their VCRs at the time and

0:30:09then later they're dvrs and dvds and

0:30:12sort out how to decode this

0:30:14like an alphabet if I it's a wikipedia

0:30:17says it's a modular edition code with

0:30:19the next letter is given by the

0:30:20summation of all previous letters plus

0:30:22the current letter but i believe it also

0:30:23has code inside it so you can't just

0:30:25it's not just substitution and they also

0:30:29use other languages and there's an

0:30:30episode in which they wander in to a

0:30:33robot mitzvah and it's the in Hebrew it

0:30:36says today I am a robot of course in a

0:30:38manner because why wouldn't it be and

0:30:40why they're hosting the robots and spin

0:30:42them around but there are other details

0:30:43you'll notice when you watch the show

0:30:45you you say oh wow they're really paying

0:30:48attention to this and making this

0:30:50universe and making a consistent yeah

0:30:52like when they laid that that episode in

0:30:55which there's a body swap machine in

0:30:57which you can spot bodies with somebody

0:31:00else but only if that person had never

0:31:03been body swapped before and so hot

0:31:07hijinks ensue as well as the crew went

0:31:10up like trick each other because they

0:31:11want to do stuff and treat each other

0:31:12again too

0:31:13I don't want to i want to be a better

0:31:15response let me be the one of the guys

0:31:16body and so the solution to it of course

0:31:19professor figures out a mathematical

0:31:22equation to determine how many bodies

0:31:25would how many swaps would it take to in

0:31:27to put everybody back where they belong

0:31:29involving fewer than X number of people

0:31:32who've never been spot before and

0:31:34there's the the formula that the

0:31:36calculation and the proof is on screen

0:31:39for maybe all of like a second and a

0:31:41half but it turns out that yes that is

0:31:43actually absolutely correct because one

0:31:45of the writers on that show has a

0:31:47doctorate mathematics we actually proved

0:31:49this theorem to the satisfaction of

0:31:51everybody in the writers room because

0:31:54this is the sort of show where someone

0:31:55as good as AI excuse me

0:31:57clearly you're doing arrest of some

0:31:59algorithm there when the other

0:32:01scientists and span space nuts in the

0:32:03and David Cone was getting doing a PhD

0:32:07in mathematics when he got tapped for

0:32:09the simpsons and Anna you know leave

0:32:10akadema there was a first season episode

0:32:12in which of fries gets a little bit

0:32:15homesick and when he finds out that you

0:32:17can actually take tourist flights to the

0:32:18moon

0:32:19so this is great i could actually be

0:32:21where like Apollo 11 landed and of

0:32:23course you land there finally they go

0:32:25there and it turns out to be more like

0:32:26up the

0:32:26like a disney world theme park you're on

0:32:29the moon but it's like a disney world

0:32:30version of the Moon and they wind up

0:32:32just sort of like breaking out of the

0:32:33the place actually go to the lunar

0:32:35surface and they actually come upon the

0:32:38Apollo 11 landing site and I i remember

0:32:41reading a story about this that in the

0:32:43in the episode you actually see the the

0:32:46the descent stage and the ascent stage

0:32:49both together on the on the surface of

0:32:52the Moon and of course any nerd would

0:32:53know that actually it's only the descent

0:32:55states that would be bad

0:32:56that was left there really get leaked

0:32:58the crew went back into the ascent stage

0:33:00within took off and rica and redock with

0:33:02the command module and so I remember

0:33:05reading that there's actually a

0:33:06last-minute addition was like a plaque

0:33:08that they think they have time to

0:33:10reanimate the entire thing be enough

0:33:11time to put in like a little plaque on

0:33:13the things that a sense stage were

0:33:15restored hereby by bike bike by a

0:33:19unified by generous grant from the

0:33:20nitpickers of America

0:33:23yeah I think I mean there's the other

0:33:25running element of the show is this the

0:33:27number of them of things that are so

0:33:28unpleasant beyond the pale that you're

0:33:30surprised you'd ever see them on

0:33:31television and they try to make them

0:33:33funny like bender is so incredibly

0:33:35amoral I think someone of the DVD

0:33:37commentaries that when they shot the

0:33:39episode well as other robots which is

0:33:42one of the great things in Helena those

0:33:44are the robots which was in this and 9th

0:33:46episode was the first season that's

0:33:48right introduces a robot devil is a

0:33:50terrific character occurs but later the

0:33:53robot devil spins wheel and a fourth

0:33:55season has a list of every robot on the

0:33:58show and you realize there are hundreds

0:34:00of thought out characters hundred

0:34:02thought-out robots not to mention human

0:34:04characters and aliens who appear but the

0:34:07that I think it was hellas other robots

0:34:09because there's a bit in it where Leela

0:34:12and fry get tired of bender his wrist

0:34:14experienced a religious conversion has

0:34:15now become incredibly straight-laced in

0:34:17dollars drinking mineral oil instead of

0:34:19alcohol experience and they sort of miss

0:34:21his evening pouring sand and insanity is

0:34:26a moral behavior so they

0:34:28get them off the straight and narrow and

0:34:30I think it's from the DVD commentary

0:34:32where they mentioned yeah we had a staff

0:34:34member who wouldn't work on this show

0:34:36she had moral objections to it she just

0:34:39found it you know too vile and they had

0:34:41to essentially supported her in that

0:34:43decision but I mean can you think of

0:34:45that fellow's it's like that I'm the

0:34:47number of things that are just like i

0:34:48like the robot or uh Santa Claus the

0:34:51evil Santa Claus the future suicide

0:34:54booth what do you think about the fact

0:34:57that they push the envelope on kind of

0:34:59acceptable things by wrapping them in

0:35:01this way

0:35:01yeah there's a just last week with was

0:35:03one of the new season episodes in which

0:35:05every time friday associate take my hand

0:35:09Leland some disaster happens and

0:35:12farewell to her as a little bit out

0:35:13there the last the last season she

0:35:14rescuing her off of a doomed planet to

0:35:18take my hand Leela and takes the hand

0:35:20and then rise up ripping off her arm of

0:35:22the socket and then like 10 seconds

0:35:24later his own arm gets ripped off by the

0:35:26socket as well last seen the two ripped

0:35:29up arms swirly in space with pretty

0:35:31music playing and that we do we want to

0:35:33switch is lovely

0:35:34exactly sweet lovely but yeah well let's

0:35:36talk about you really should talk about

0:35:37the new season is I'm you know one of

0:35:39the things David said interview so

0:35:41they're going to i think there's just

0:35:42asked acknowledgement and we look so we

0:35:43could talk about this bit is I thought

0:35:45season I think it's number six the 26

0:35:48episodes that were aired in 2010-2011 I

0:35:51felt they were weak compared to the

0:35:53first for broadcast seasons I I felt

0:35:56like I didn't feel that richness of

0:35:58multiple plot elements the interval i

0:36:00thought some of them with a very thin

0:36:01idea and extended and some I quite like

0:36:04there was something i thought were

0:36:05terrific like the creationism

0:36:06evolutionism a revolution parody that

0:36:10made a sort of rethink aspects of it

0:36:12when presented that light but do you

0:36:13think that as anyone think that that was

0:36:15the case of the first or do you think

0:36:17know the last two in effective season

0:36:19the 2010-2011 episodes were as strong as

0:36:22the first four I think that it's

0:36:25interesting because like you're looking

0:36:26at this show about a guy who's frozen in

0:36:29time for a thousand years and then he

0:36:32comes back to life and then the show is

0:36:35sort of stopped and comes back to life

0:36:38and

0:36:39when fried comes back to life it's like

0:36:41this oh my god everything is you know

0:36:43look at all these wonderful things out

0:36:45here and and I have to take full

0:36:47advantage of it and in the new seasons

0:36:51I feel like they're they they're also

0:36:53trying to take full advantage of their

0:36:55there we given time I guess and trying

0:36:58to like create almost cram as much in

0:37:01there as possible i'm like it's much

0:37:03faster paced they're bringing back like

0:37:06lots and lots of characters in for even

0:37:09like small parts like Zapp Brannigan

0:37:12appears for like a minute or two in the

0:37:14latest episode here where he's on he's

0:37:17piloting this this spaceship and he's

0:37:19just kind of thrown into it all mouse

0:37:21and they they're forcing these jokes and

0:37:25making like I don't you know just kind

0:37:27of pushing things a little too far and

0:37:30maybe you know if they relaxed a little

0:37:32bit they kind of be able to i get back

0:37:35to where they were back into their

0:37:37stride a little bit ok what do you think

0:37:39John you would you be as big a fan of

0:37:41the earlier later once you have a funny

0:37:43and substantial differences between them

0:37:46yet the you know the those first four

0:37:48five seasons whatever you want to call

0:37:50them

0:37:50I'm had a have a different feel to them

0:37:54they felt a little bit richer and and in

0:37:56some ways moments there was a lot of

0:38:00sweetness to some of them like you know

0:38:03we talked about that devil's hands are

0:38:05idle playthings and the sting and then

0:38:06one of the other ones like the look of

0:38:08the frying fish which is about the

0:38:10history of you know fri thinking that

0:38:12his brother stole his identity and in

0:38:14all things he wanted to do and you get

0:38:16these flashbacks and it's it was you

0:38:18know some really sweet stuff where you

0:38:20see like the emotion around around fri

0:38:24and that stuff seems like it's either

0:38:28missing or forced in the in that last

0:38:31season and the first to that that aired

0:38:34last week I thought the first one where

0:38:36bender has has a kid was pretty strong

0:38:41the bots and the bees and then the one

0:38:43after that that the one with the arms

0:38:45totally off into space that what kind of

0:38:47left me cold I just never really felt

0:38:49like you got going

0:38:50so it feels more like these

0:38:52the previous season then starting with

0:38:55this that they're kind of hit or miss

0:38:56and that the other ones maybe it's a

0:38:59nostalgia thing you know because they

0:39:00were so long ago already those other

0:39:02ones seem like classic and they seem

0:39:04like there's so much richness and then

0:39:06we can go back and watch them over and

0:39:07over again whereas those that last batch

0:39:10they really don't they don't feel quite

0:39:13as I mean there's still fun to watch but

0:39:14they don't feel like they're quite the

0:39:15same its kind of intermittent or you get

0:39:17some episodes that are good and some

0:39:19that are really not very memorable and I

0:39:21felt like the older ones you know

0:39:24they're there wasn't a lot of throwaway

0:39:25it's probably you know you probably have

0:39:27lots of really good ideas at the

0:39:28beginning and lots of stuff to put in

0:39:30and you get to a point where where your

0:39:33maybe forcing a little bit

0:39:35well you know it felt like I agree with

0:39:36you that I thought there was that thing

0:39:38the saying at the outset that I think

0:39:40this is has the most heart of any almost

0:39:43any show I mean you see this in some

0:39:45long-running sitcoms we're even if the

0:39:48show is sort of farcical or nonsensical

0:39:49they figure out a way to have a

0:39:51relationship or a kind of sensibility

0:39:54and friendship at the middle that makes

0:39:56it work and you know their shows like

0:39:58mash that are in other words ridiculous

0:40:00parts but it really was kind of a strong

0:40:02Center show and it's hard to think of an

0:40:05animated show that that could be

0:40:06anywhere near the silicates are a few

0:40:08that have that much are and you do the

0:40:10relationship like no one of another of

0:40:12my favorite episodes would be when I

0:40:14think i mentioned before is the devil's

0:40:17hands are idle playthings and in that

0:40:19that was a thought that might be the

0:40:21last episode as with so many times

0:40:24David Cohen said that Ken Keeler is one

0:40:25of the main writers for sho kin is

0:40:28written all of the finale episodes of

0:40:29futurama is up to four now

0:40:32corporate last episodes of the show and

0:40:35the devil's hands are idle playthings i

0:40:36think was partially intended to be the

0:40:39end of the broadcast run and there's

0:40:41this beautiful thing where you know even

0:40:43though it's sort of you know heat fries

0:40:45stupid and the whole thing is ridiculous

0:40:47is that you know he has this great love

0:40:49for Leela she doesn't always believed

0:40:51interested herself and she's not sure

0:40:54she's in love with him partly because

0:40:55he's an idiot that comes up again and

0:40:56again but probably because she's not

0:40:58sure she trusts the way the intensity of

0:41:00the sincerity realism that he

0:41:02as per business goes on over seasons and

0:41:04in that episode you know II he it's a

0:41:07great series of oh Henry swaps

0:41:09essentially one of my favorite things

0:41:11about it is that they actually define

0:41:13over and over again people call things

0:41:15ironic which are not and keep getting

0:41:17called out that's not ironic is ironic

0:41:19then finally when the final scenes

0:41:21something ironic actually happens and

0:41:23vendor speeds a dictionary definition

0:41:25says now that's ironic that they should

0:41:28teach in english classes but but there

0:41:30is this that thing there's a love story

0:41:32that's very strong and sort of sustained

0:41:34and then later episodes it just seems to

0:41:36be kind of an element fries always

0:41:37pursuing Leela but whatever i'm david

0:41:40said in an interview again that they

0:41:42were intending I mean I think there's

0:41:44some awareness of this on the show staff

0:41:46because he said this season is going to

0:41:48be more like the early seasons we're

0:41:50gonna sort of go back and they'll be a

0:41:52long arc over 2012 and 2013 which is

0:41:57centered around kind of finally

0:41:58resolving the leela fri relationship and

0:42:01I don't know how that will materialize

0:42:02we've got 24 more episodes to work with

0:42:05that on

0:42:05i am going to happen will prosecute that

0:42:0722 strongly only because there's so many

0:42:12shows I can't get into because there are

0:42:15deep profound season-long arcsight I

0:42:18can't get into Game of Thrones I can't

0:42:20get into so many of the shows because i

0:42:22feel as though if I start now I've got a

0:42:25lot of work ahead of me get caught up

0:42:26and then I'm sort of obligated to watch

0:42:28the rest of them I do like the fact that

0:42:30futurama exist you can dip into almost

0:42:31any individual episode and pretty much

0:42:33get it it's true they have I mean they

0:42:35have some mythology but not the same

0:42:37kind of thing as any other show there's

0:42:38not really too much of an arc you know a

0:42:40season-long are queer fri discovers you

0:42:42know the order of human beings were all

0:42:44invented another planet but but there

0:42:46you know there are there are

0:42:47consistencies others and you know i was

0:42:49looking through wikipedia 4 episode

0:42:51descriptions they talk about

0:42:52non-canonical episode was sort of

0:42:54cracked me up because you know what is

0:42:56canonical and a cartoon universe in

0:42:58which anything can change but I mean

0:43:00there are things like nibbler the Lila's

0:43:02little istock Pat turning out to be one

0:43:05of the Masters of the Universe very much

0:43:07like the Masters on a

0:43:09ah no ah in the Green Lantern's the

0:43:11people the blue man who control the the

0:43:15safety of the university's little

0:43:16incredibly adorable creatures are in

0:43:18fact the ones who who make everything

0:43:21work in that and keep the universal

0:43:23falling apart from john i know your

0:43:26music made and what do you think about

0:43:27the music on the show I I've always

0:43:29loved it to UW noticed is that something

0:43:32that that strikes you how they use music

0:43:36as an element across the seasons

0:43:38yeah I i mean III like yeah especially

0:43:42an animated shows the music and the sort

0:43:46of musical numbers a lot of them go over

0:43:47the top like you know something like the

0:43:49Simpsons family Guy do a good job with

0:43:52it but in vitro my eye I really do like

0:43:56it you know i mention that first episode

0:43:57with the with with Hermes doing his

0:44:01little little scar song and it's funny

0:44:05that you mention and now I'm drawing a

0:44:07blank to think of other musical examples

0:44:10from the show that that I can actually

0:44:12think of any right now but you but it is

0:44:14it does seem like such a big part of the

0:44:16of the show and the devil's hands are

0:44:18idle playthings is one of the ones i

0:44:20think of the most because that there was

0:44:22almost a musical they had songs every

0:44:23few minutes culminating with with price

0:44:27opera his hollow opera for Leela right

0:44:31he learns to play the the holophone or I

0:44:34think it's not always like a recorder

0:44:35basically but it projects Holograms and

0:44:38he could only do it when he has the

0:44:40devil's hands

0:44:42yeah that's right because he needs he

0:44:43has stupid fingers apparently no

0:44:46surprise

0:44:47so you know I think we've cycled through

0:44:50quite a bit about the show what what if

0:44:52we will be missed in this program we

0:44:54were watching and obviously all of us at

0:44:56some extent for I don't know how many

0:44:59episodes of shows had no hundred and

0:45:01twenty or something we're getting up

0:45:02there between those seasons and you know

0:45:05it's something that I look forward to i

0:45:06try to watch HD episode comes out what

0:45:09would still strikes interview about you

0:45:11know why we're staying well we stick

0:45:13with the show even though it's doesn't

0:45:14have you know our episode of a series

0:45:16long plots and things like that what

0:45:18brings us back to watch this again and

0:45:20again I mean it touches on so many

0:45:21different

0:45:22ah different things that references

0:45:24startrack references

0:45:26ah the twilight zone it's it and it's

0:45:29and it's these deep references that you

0:45:31can't you kind of need to know what's

0:45:34going on where they're referencing very

0:45:37specific twilight zone episodes or

0:45:39something like that and it touches these

0:45:41little things where like yeah I've spent

0:45:45all this time going back and and looking

0:45:47at these different shows and and and

0:45:49trying to find out more about specific

0:45:51things and you see it all reflected in

0:45:57the show where you know just because you

0:46:01understand these other these other

0:46:02things and it's kind of like oh you know

0:46:04they get it to they they are also on the

0:46:08same wavelength and they've also spent

0:46:10this time finding out about these

0:46:12different weird little corners of things

0:46:14I and appreciating them i think it's

0:46:18rich with illusion right as if you're if

0:46:20you're a geek

0:46:21you can watch the show and everything

0:46:22seems to be no there's a reference to

0:46:24omega man there's Logan's Run there's

0:46:27that episode there's to serve man and

0:46:30then they even have the parody the show

0:46:31with it and he was the name of the

0:46:33shower now you'll notice the is it the

0:46:35the closing door the parody of twilight

0:46:37zone the scary Dory necessary to write

0:46:41like imagine the world in which there's

0:46:43a guy no week has been my balls you

0:46:45can't read the thing and you know it's

0:46:47just everything is everything is like

0:46:49that yeah I'm so Andy interrupted you

0:46:50before I'm sorry no I was just going to

0:46:52say that I think that it's the reason

0:46:54why keep watching us because they keep

0:46:56that level quality way way way way up

0:46:59they keep finding little nooks and

0:47:00crannies wish to put extra little jokes

0:47:02and they're not just clever witty

0:47:05sayings but also if there's a corner of

0:47:07the frame in which they can put in a

0:47:09keychain that's a souvenir keychain but

0:47:13Lela has from her trip to the moon

0:47:14saying i'm with stupid on the moon and

0:47:17you do have to sort of like we're

0:47:19watching on TV is it wait whether what I

0:47:21just missed your scroll back in your DVR

0:47:23in order to get the joke it's it's not

0:47:26all about just catch phrases and

0:47:27pop-culture references and it also just

0:47:30comes down to the fact

0:47:31that they have well-defined characters

0:47:34each one in that cast and they have

0:47:38never decided to weaken that that sort

0:47:41of formula never weekend that sauce they

0:47:45so this is true i think of almost every

0:47:47single said comments out there

0:47:49eventually the producers and the writers

0:47:52they get just sort of into a punch the

0:47:54clock sort of mechanism where they no

0:47:57longer understand why this line is

0:48:00appropriate for this character but this

0:48:01other character would never say it

0:48:03they don't understand what the relations

0:48:04are between these characters they're all

0:48:06just about by the final episode by the

0:48:08final season of seinfeld and friends

0:48:10these are a cast these are five

0:48:13characters who get together every once

0:48:15in a while who don't like each other but

0:48:17they only get it to the only get

0:48:18together so they can they can like

0:48:20launches fingers at each other and yeah

0:48:22you don't understand why they keep doing

0:48:24this why they keep meeting at a coffee

0:48:26shop every single day just to insult

0:48:28each other about someone are really some

0:48:30profoundly painful moments from their

0:48:32lives you know what why do I keep coming

0:48:35here publicizes comment about the show

0:48:37that way before I can't watch friends

0:48:39anymore it so it's absolutely true but

0:48:41with futurama not not every character is

0:48:44designed to have designed to be this

0:48:45really deep involved character but it is

0:48:48always about fri who profoundly cares

0:48:51about his friends

0:48:52Leela who's responsible but it's also

0:48:54kinda kinda weird herself

0:48:55hermes who's the bureaucrat who can

0:48:57figure out an analytical way to get

0:48:59things done

0:49:00the professor who was absolutely dotty

0:49:02but creative and a fantastically mad

0:49:04science way and then why not

0:49:06Evan why not zoidberg that was a burger

0:49:09mean arrived there I things I

0:49:11environment last now things are at

0:49:13everything is heading Zoidberg yeah i

0:49:15mean it that significant that's a good

0:49:17to stick the distinction why one of

0:49:20things i hate's there's such a link to a

0:49:22whole episode of why it's family guy

0:49:23because at that hour talking everybody

0:49:26trying to interrupt but one that one of

0:49:29the running one running things on the

0:49:31family guy is that everybody hates that

0:49:33the daughter Meg and they don't give

0:49:34nobody ever explains why they hate him

0:49:36later but always just nothing but hatred

0:49:38and incredibly caustic abuse order all

0:49:42the time

0:49:42Lloyd berg has that may

0:49:44grow on futurama but somehow they write

0:49:47it so cleverly they just feel like well

0:49:49he's a kind of a stupid Lobster guy who

0:49:51if you get your arm cut off one up so

0:49:53your leg back on this place is kind of

0:49:55stupid

0:49:56he's always horrible smelly monster too

0:49:58and he's it's always like yeah he says

0:50:02he's a doctor but he doesn't understand

0:50:03the human anatomy and he's but what kind

0:50:06of girl are you your mouth

0:50:08no your other mom yeah their first

0:50:10appearance he's no he's trippin because

0:50:12he's a sad sack and occasionally has his

0:50:15moments of victory that's the thing is

0:50:17occasionally he comes through and where

0:50:19has no who's enjoyed bugs in charge now

0:50:21but yeah that's the out i'll tell you

0:50:24that the funny thing i think about

0:50:25futurama is my wife is not a

0:50:27science-fiction fan futurama is the only

0:50:29science fiction that she tolerates she

0:50:32loves the show we watched much of it

0:50:33lately because we don't have actual

0:50:35broadcast television anymore so we have

0:50:37to go through you know buying itunes and

0:50:39netflix and so forth to watch it more

0:50:41but but it's it's a show i think the

0:50:43characters like soy burger like the fact

0:50:45that there's so much in the show that's

0:50:47just you know they are the things that

0:50:49are conventional but it doesn't have

0:50:51that because doesn't take itself

0:50:53seriously I think that's why she enjoys

0:50:55it more so she doesn't necessarily get

0:50:57the layers of science fiction illusion

0:50:59because she didn't read sci-fi but she

0:51:00the show's fun it's interesting and they

0:51:03have characterization so it succeeds

0:51:05there yet even though I you know I love

0:51:07the major characters that some of the

0:51:08minor characters i think or what makes

0:51:10the show good because if you have if you

0:51:13have you no more both alien newscaster

0:51:16in there for a few seconds i'm talking

0:51:18about about how the earth is doomed and

0:51:21then you have his pepe sidekick you know

0:51:23laughing it off the core you know

0:51:26Calculon who is the robot soap opera

0:51:29star you know people like that and then

0:51:32of course you know you can't forget

0:51:33lower from Omicron Persei 8 out like

0:51:36those people you know they they can be

0:51:39an episode for a few minutes and they

0:51:40can kind of make they can make or break

0:51:42it for me and you know i love bender

0:51:44alone fry and Zoidberg but the little

0:51:47people mix-ins head you know and like if

0:51:49they go to the head museum and you know

0:51:51that just the stuff they can do with all

0:51:53the little side characters it it's what

0:51:56can make or break

0:51:57episode four me a lot of the time and

0:51:59that's when keep it going as if you

0:52:01throw in some of those it's it's like

0:52:03any other animated show we have all

0:52:05these little side characters and you

0:52:07know they get their moment in the Sun

0:52:08but that there's just such a weird

0:52:11creepy and bizarre characters on here

0:52:13because there are so many aliens and you

0:52:16know with it being a thousand years in

0:52:17the future you can pretty pretty much do

0:52:19anything you want

0:52:20I'm kind of like the fact that they

0:52:22don't make any default choice in the

0:52:23show it like nothing works the way that

0:52:26it should now so we know when they like

0:52:28the bungalow i love the bungalow that

0:52:30suddenly they go to Mars it turns out

0:52:32Mars and a half of Mars is a ranch owned

0:52:34by anyone's family and is you know this

0:52:37is the wrong place right that's really

0:52:39what happened it's and of course so the

0:52:40cattle people reading giant bugs sort of

0:52:42ladybug like things that are marked like

0:52:44cattle it's like nothing is certain

0:52:46studies nothing is normal it's more like

0:52:48they never take the easy choice of just

0:52:50saying okay we're going to make it a

0:52:52parking meter

0:52:52this is gonna be a parking meter that

0:52:54talks or there's the running gag that

0:52:55nibbler when nibbler takes a number to

0:52:58that he poops dark matter and that's

0:53:00what they used to fuel the ship and one

0:53:02of my favorite throwaway lines of as a

0:53:04prize that walking nibbler he lands a

0:53:08steamer and the police come to write

0:53:09about for a citation they say pick that

0:53:11up basis but it weighs as much as 200

0:53:13songs and this little little clever bits

0:53:16like that you know you never just

0:53:18nothing is ever quite what it seems the

0:53:20robots have robots to help them out of

0:53:22the greeting cards the greeting cards

0:53:23have a chip in them that that mom of

0:53:26moms robots can mom the evil mother

0:53:29there she cannot activate a switch and

0:53:32greeting cards along with all the other

0:53:33robots on the planet must do her bidding

0:53:36it's just that there's never was never a

0:53:38default basic easy choice made in the

0:53:41show maybe that's the theme of the show

0:53:42they don't make the easy choices

0:53:44well let's not forget the real reason we

0:53:46all watch futurama hypnotoad rear

0:53:53hypnotoad if the new I knew that was

0:53:57coming it had to be said deed is under

0:54:00his power boat is the greatest throwaway

0:54:03character that didn't get thrown away of

0:54:05all let's just let's just replay what

0:54:06just happened here one person set up a

0:54:09line the second person knew exactly what

0:54:12he was talking about

0:54:13bye-bye making a sound effect a

0:54:15third-person recognize the sound effect

0:54:17and I'm to hypnotize to speak

0:54:20oh it was it's a great fit the best part

0:54:23is on the notes of DVD extra one of the

0:54:25early season dvds is everybody where

0:54:27everyone loves hypnotoad and it's david

0:54:30described as 22 minutes of show 45

0:54:34minutes of payoff it's just tiptoed

0:54:36staring with some various dialogue and

0:54:38so for that comes we have to watch the

0:54:39whole thing only you can fast-forward

0:54:41through you missed some of the dialogue

0:54:43but the most popular show on television

0:54:45everybody loves hypnotoad but that's not

0:54:48all that's what's great about the show

0:54:49is like they can throw in the thing

0:54:50that's the most absurd thing in the

0:54:51world that you have these little

0:54:52romantic situations it it doesn't isn't

0:54:55funny you know one thing we didn't talk

0:54:56about how sort of hilarious but she'll

0:54:58like this the voice talent I mean they

0:55:00have some of the best voice talent any

0:55:02show that's ever been assembled I think

0:55:04you got Billy West whose do the original

0:55:06who are was original Stimpy and then had

0:55:09to rent after John quickly Lucy was cut

0:55:11from Ren Stimpy show John Billy West is

0:55:14done you know hundred million voices

0:55:16plus the long run the Howard Stern Show

0:55:18and he's got his own band these

0:55:20fascinating guy really naughty fell out

0:55:23but he's one of the best voice talents

0:55:25you got film are the green lantern and

0:55:28samurai Jack's voice and Trust McNeil

0:55:31who is the voice of a million million

0:55:33women on the show and on any damage so I

0:55:36think you listen to their stress

0:55:38somewhere

0:55:39um maybe five anybody have favorite

0:55:41voices from the show the Eagle like

0:55:43that's what I really listening for like

0:55:44frank welker or someone like that it's

0:55:47it's it's if it's one it has to be

0:55:49sapper and again but we do that all the

0:55:53dominoes will fall over like a house of

0:55:55cards it's really wet right he's doing

0:55:57exactly and again right hey guess what

0:55:59you can you're right you could totally

0:56:00hear Phil Hartman voice doing that

0:56:02character

0:56:03it's best ship you to write to him when

0:56:06up you know it's funny to you get

0:56:08Katie's the galleries of major you know

0:56:11she's a major sitcom star and she she's

0:56:14doing one voice in the show and she's

0:56:16been involved all along Lauren Tom who

0:56:18does a lot of animation voice but she

0:56:19comes in and does a nice with anyone and

0:56:21a few other voices for it some kind of

0:56:23just a or john dimaggio so here's the

0:56:26thing you find out when you actually are

0:56:27in the room with john dimaggio the role

0:56:29of bender which you think of as absurd

0:56:31larger-than-life ridiculous thing it was

0:56:34written for john dimaggio that was not a

0:56:36joke he is bender he is the flash

0:56:38version of vendor so the episode of

0:56:39futurama in which bender is reverting to

0:56:42the term investor says I've discovered a

0:56:44way to reverse internal the process and

0:56:48what demon arrival of returns bender

0:56:50from a in this fantasy scene from a

0:56:53robot into a human that's pretty much

0:56:55what happened the other way around to

0:56:56make john dimaggio into vendor not much

0:56:59doubt there's a there's a great video on

0:57:02YouTube where this Comic Con has

0:57:05collected a bunch of voice actors from

0:57:07different TV shows including Billy West

0:57:09and John DiMaggio and I handful of other

0:57:12people and they go they have they have

0:57:16the script of the first Star Wars movie

0:57:19of episode 4 and they're going through

0:57:24descriptive episode 4 with each of the

0:57:26voice actors doing different voices and

0:57:29in each different scene they change all

0:57:31the voices so they're doing and they're

0:57:33doing the ender there don't appear right

0:57:35it's it's amazing they do fri the design

0:57:38berg they then it and it's the whole

0:57:40movie so it's like an hour and a half

0:57:42and it will just go I'll just blow your

0:57:44mind it's it's unbelievable that is

0:57:48perfect

0:57:49well gentlemen I think we've reached the

0:57:51end of the time it's time to put our

0:57:53quarters on the string into the suicide

0:57:55booth and and sign off so any any final

0:57:59any parting words anyone good news

0:58:01everybody it's time to go to sleep

0:58:03let's go

0:58:05I'll conclude on hulu the broadcast day

0:58:11whenever you're listening to the show by

0:58:13thank you everyone thank you Andy

0:58:15anarkali broken the curse and we've been

0:58:16on a podcast together

0:58:18longmate sale we've broken one curse and

0:58:20started a new like I got Dean it's well

0:58:24past your bedtime and i think i think

0:58:27it's time to brush your teeth thanks for

0:58:29being on the shaft thanks for having me

0:58:31pleasure i know your love for the

0:58:33hypnotoad true at all and john hope will

0:58:36be back on the copper for future

0:58:38episodes of things that are not futurama

0:58:40thanks for being with us if you have

0:58:42people and all be on again it'll it'll

0:58:44happen and thank you dear listeners tell

0:58:47us what you like about futurama in the

0:58:50comments and the speed back i'm glenn

0:58:52fleischmann thank you for listening to

0:58:53this episode of the incomparable

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