The Incomparable

95: Don`t Take the Cinnamon Challenge


00:00:00   the in comfortable podcast number 95 to [TS]

00:00:09   wear it well [TS]

00:00:11   welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

00:00:13   podcast on your post Jason Snell and we [TS]

00:00:15   have a very special podcast for you [TS]

00:00:16   tonight I'm joined over the magic of [TS]

00:00:20   skype by Monty Ashley who is the [TS]

00:00:24   recapture for Game of Thrones on [TS]

00:00:27   television without pity and our very [TS]

00:00:29   special guest because we're going to be [TS]

00:00:31   talking about season 2 of Game of [TS]

00:00:33   Thrones haimanti hello thanks for being [TS]

00:00:35   here [TS]

00:00:36   no problem and in the same room as me [TS]

00:00:40   for a very very rare special occasion we [TS]

00:00:44   have three other in comfortable guest [TS]

00:00:47   this is contravening the constitution of [TS]

00:00:49   the uncomfortable which not does not [TS]

00:00:50   allow more than two of us to be in the [TS]

00:00:53   same place at the same time of the whole [TS]

00:00:54   podcast dies [TS]

00:00:55   Scott McNulty is a table secure remote [TS]

00:00:57   he is with the Secretary of Agriculture [TS]

00:00:59   right now yeah so join me to my left [TS]

00:01:02   although you can't see him because radio [TS]

00:01:04   we're not here to my radio left is dave [TS]

00:01:07   morin hi dan I Jason nice to see you and [TS]

00:01:09   put it is nice to see you know we're [TS]

00:01:10   looking to do not like I'm trying but I [TS]

00:01:12   don't want to look at the mic and talk [TS]

00:01:14   to me look at you sideways [TS]

00:01:16   I used to sit doing these podcasts [TS]

00:01:17   sitting on my bed with the door closed [TS]

00:01:19   with a USB put a microphone in my lap [TS]

00:01:22   I'm and I'm and I'm not wearing done in [TS]

00:01:25   the world i made wearing pants right now [TS]

00:01:27   so it's a big it's a big change serenity [TS]

00:01:29   Caldwell is leaning into a microphone is [TS]

00:01:31   which she went as if she was going to [TS]

00:01:32   speak which is funny because I can see [TS]

00:01:34   her cause she's in the room with me how [TS]

00:01:35   I know hi I'm very glad that everybody [TS]

00:01:37   in this room is in fact wearing pants [TS]

00:01:39   yes this is a good thing so far so far I [TS]

00:01:42   mean you never know you never know [TS]

00:01:44   and across from me is John siracusa who [TS]

00:01:48   is in whose west of the Mississippi for [TS]

00:01:50   one of his rare excursions to the left [TS]

00:01:52   coast hi John that is that is John [TS]

00:01:55   syracuse over there or not sure if he's [TS]

00:01:57   real or the hologram he claims to be [TS]

00:01:59   epic Jason will do it live doing live [TS]

00:02:02   we're doing it live except not streaming [TS]

00:02:05   a live not live [TS]

00:02:06   yeah ah sigh live fish I should've [TS]

00:02:09   brought my macbook air it would have [TS]

00:02:12   worked with this but well so Monty sorry [TS]

00:02:18   you couldn't be here [TS]

00:02:19   that's alright but it's nice that we [TS]

00:02:21   that we have you on because you've eaten [TS]

00:02:23   recap [TS]

00:02:24   the show for television without pity [TS]

00:02:25   doesn't that mean that you have to watch [TS]

00:02:27   it every episode like several times i [TS]

00:02:31   watch them about two-and-a-half times [TS]

00:02:33   each the halftime just going through [TS]

00:02:36   making sure that i actually have [TS]

00:02:38   someone's particular wording correct [TS]

00:02:41   because i have a lot of quotes that I [TS]

00:02:43   put in does that does not diminish your [TS]

00:02:45   enthusiasm for the series by the way to [TS]

00:02:47   happen to have to do it or not yet it's [TS]

00:02:50   not a very long season luckily at this [TS]

00:02:53   if you recap show with that's 22 [TS]

00:02:55   episodes you get really sick of it but [TS]

00:02:58   so far it's only two or two-and-a-half [TS]

00:03:01   months so a new episode comes up there [TS]

00:03:03   looking forward to it and about the time [TS]

00:03:05   i'm starting to think oh god then the [TS]

00:03:09   season's over [TS]

00:03:10   that's good that's good so when we last [TS]

00:03:13   left the game of thrones there were some [TS]

00:03:17   dragons Darby dragons nice a baby [TS]

00:03:20   dragons hatched [TS]

00:03:22   so you Ned Stark was dead [TS]

00:03:26   having better take a shot dead baby [TS]

00:03:29   more like I'm dead stark go home [TS]

00:03:32   hey yeah that's why I'm here that's what [TS]

00:03:35   a pain wow so that's what it looks like [TS]

00:03:36   when you make terrible terrible jokes i [TS]

00:03:38   did the napping yeah well I room by [TS]

00:03:40   myself I got to see his looking to leave [TS]

00:03:42   when he did that that's very exciting [TS]

00:03:44   let's see what else there are many kings [TS]

00:03:46   many Thrones maybe so i throw my name [TS]

00:03:52   then throwing many it's like it's really [TS]

00:03:54   like musical chairs the game of thrones [TS]

00:03:55   or a cakewalk one of those two carnival [TS]

00:03:57   game really festival game music stops [TS]

00:04:00   and then somebody dies [TS]

00:04:01   ok you don't have the game Jason yeah [TS]

00:04:04   paper is right it's true especially [TS]

00:04:06   necessary especially Joffrey so that it [TS]

00:04:09   so this is obviously this season was [TS]

00:04:11   based on the second book in the series [TS]

00:04:13   this is the the point at which this this [TS]

00:04:15   one book per season will begin to break [TS]

00:04:18   down because the third season is [TS]

00:04:20   probably not going to be the third book [TS]

00:04:21   but part of the third book is third book [TS]

00:04:23   is gigantic butt so in this season we [TS]

00:04:27   have let's see what we have so so Tyrion [TS]

00:04:29   comes to force the hand of the King in [TS]

00:04:31   King's Landing which I is in my mind is [TS]

00:04:34   one of my favorite things about [TS]

00:04:36   the season and about the book to is that [TS]

00:04:38   we get to see a lot of Tyrion and he [TS]

00:04:39   gets to do smart things and and so that [TS]

00:04:43   that's happening here we have Jon Snow [TS]

00:04:44   beyond the wall and an heiress kind of [TS]

00:04:47   having a little sojourn in the city of [TS]

00:04:49   cars those are two stories that felt [TS]

00:04:51   like they could have been told in like a [TS]

00:04:52   single episode except that they [TS]

00:04:54   stretched it out / / 10 episodes well [TS]

00:04:57   because then otherwise you have like you [TS]

00:04:58   know oh so episode 7 is about you but [TS]

00:05:01   that's the only evidence we see and use [TS]

00:05:03   you know it reminded me of you watch the [TS]

00:05:06   first season of battlestar galactica [TS]

00:05:07   every every episode had like a [TS]

00:05:11   minute-and-a-half with helo [TS]

00:05:13   oh yeah and the Skylon girlfriend on the [TS]

00:05:15   planet and that was the worst plot line [TS]

00:05:17   and it was the worst and at the end of [TS]

00:05:18   the season my wife turned to me and she [TS]

00:05:20   said [TS]

00:05:20   couldn't you just edit that whole thing [TS]

00:05:22   together into like one episode it's like [TS]

00:05:24   meanwhile helo when around with his [TS]

00:05:26   girlfriend that reminded me about a [TS]

00:05:30   little bit where it's that stall ball [TS]

00:05:31   kind of thing like that we don't have [TS]

00:05:32   anything for them to do but really but [TS]

00:05:34   we need to show them so you don't forget [TS]

00:05:36   who they are and bother me though like [TS]

00:05:38   it i guess they could have compressed it [TS]

00:05:40   onto one but it weren't you [TS]

00:05:42   I liked it when they cut back to them [TS]

00:05:43   and say what's the nearest up to and [TS]

00:05:45   then you'd see her do something and be [TS]

00:05:46   like oh that's nice [TS]

00:05:47   and then you go back like it's a palate [TS]

00:05:49   cleanser I think that structure worked [TS]

00:05:50   for for the show I didn't want myself [TS]

00:05:53   like they're going back to them again [TS]

00:05:55   Michael I wasn't sad about it is just [TS]

00:05:56   one of the structural problems of the of [TS]

00:05:58   the of the book is that there they don't [TS]

00:05:59   have a lot to do over the course of the [TS]

00:06:01   story it's nice to see them again but [TS]

00:06:02   when you think back to sort of like what [TS]

00:06:04   Denarius do [TS]

00:06:05   yeah she found the town and met the guy [TS]

00:06:09   hand and her diagonal rubble and [TS]

00:06:12   resolved that they could have given her [TS]

00:06:13   more to do in the books Jaime Lannister [TS]

00:06:15   doesn't do anything for the entire [TS]

00:06:17   second well that's true that you back [TS]

00:06:18   today mr. nitin indicate you spend a lot [TS]

00:06:21   of time with metal around it had yeah [TS]

00:06:22   you got to kill a guy in this one you [TS]

00:06:25   know and and be grumpy and say things [TS]

00:06:27   that were mildly threatening which him [TS]

00:06:29   because he's basically not in the second [TS]

00:06:31   book so so but yeah I you know I always [TS]

00:06:36   like Jon Snow he's always been one of my [TS]

00:06:38   favorites and it's a and it was a little [TS]

00:06:40   disappointing to not not see more of him [TS]

00:06:42   but that's just how about how the book [TS]

00:06:43   went although i love the setting that I [TS]

00:06:47   guess they shot all of the John's [TS]

00:06:49   no not only does it feel like it's a [TS]

00:06:51   different show which kinda is a [TS]

00:06:52   different show because they shoot [TS]

00:06:53   different parts in different parts of [TS]

00:06:54   the world so rightly so about that [TS]

00:06:56   background with like you know the [TS]

00:06:57   mountains and everything is I mean it [TS]

00:06:59   looks great [TS]

00:06:59   it's Iceland they went to Iceland to [TS]

00:07:01   shoot the north of the wall stuff and it [TS]

00:07:03   looks fantastic i mean really does not [TS]

00:07:06   feel they're CGI in there too but it is [TS]

00:07:09   not the alleged suddenly like me to make [TS]

00:07:11   a cgi plan at their own they're like [TS]

00:07:13   actually called I think they I think [TS]

00:07:15   they are and they're freezing and [TS]

00:07:17   miserable you could method and trask [TS]

00:07:19   this to something like off where it [TS]

00:07:21   actually looks like where you are as [TS]

00:07:24   opposed to you know off with Norway [TS]

00:07:26   what's the matter [TS]

00:07:27   yeah it's terrible i'm not saying it is [TS]

00:07:29   hot 30 is very important I mean then it [TS]

00:07:31   would be a completely different shot no [TS]

00:07:33   one like Captain Kirk is is jettisoned [TS]

00:07:34   lands on the ice planet in star trek [TS]

00:07:37   he's it's not even a soundstage he's in [TS]

00:07:39   the parking lot of dodger stadium [TS]

00:07:40   because I've seen that the in a [TS]

00:07:42   behind-the-scenes clips it's like fake [TS]

00:07:44   snow blown on the parking lot of Dodger [TS]

00:07:46   Stadium and whereas the ice and they do [TS]

00:07:47   a good job but it's not you know that [TS]

00:07:50   Iceland landscape is a real landscape [TS]

00:07:52   that they're walking over there on a [TS]

00:07:53   frozen lake and and I was like the north [TS]

00:07:56   of the wall stuff there's way more of [TS]

00:07:58   that you know obviously spoiler but you [TS]

00:08:01   know in future there's more of that in [TS]

00:08:03   the future the story continues which is [TS]

00:08:05   great because it looks so great we just [TS]

00:08:07   didn't get a whole lot of it this time [TS]

00:08:09   i'm wondering i guess you should [TS]

00:08:10   restructure this by the different little [TS]

00:08:12   story chunks because this is one of the [TS]

00:08:13   funny things about Game of Thrones is [TS]

00:08:15   that is that we're really looking at a [TS]

00:08:17   lot of parallel stories and occasionally [TS]

00:08:19   they cross over but it's really the this [TS]

00:08:21   series of parallel stories then there's [TS]

00:08:23   a lot less crossover I mean I think we [TS]

00:08:25   started out right in the first season [TS]

00:08:26   with all these characters and there are [TS]

00:08:28   sort of a couple knots of characters and [TS]

00:08:31   then over the course of the first season [TS]

00:08:32   and and furthermore in the second season [TS]

00:08:34   they start to all move in separate [TS]

00:08:36   directions so we end up with all these [TS]

00:08:38   different independent storylines and [TS]

00:08:39   there are not as many intersections in [TS]

00:08:42   season two I feel like a lot of the [TS]

00:08:45   characters are left to sort of go on [TS]

00:08:46   their own devices we do get a few [TS]

00:08:47   including a couple I think invented for [TS]

00:08:50   the TV show ones the I think the scenes [TS]

00:08:53   with a area and Syrian military unit i [TS]

00:08:56   win right [TS]

00:08:57   oh yeah those are on the other hand have [TS]

00:08:59   ignited [TS]

00:08:59   but I don't believe any of that is [TS]

00:09:02   really she she acts as a cover for [TS]

00:09:04   someone that I did not think it was time [TS]

00:09:05   when no one else is a copper for mommy's [TS]

00:09:08   got the fax she spends a lot just [TS]

00:09:11   finished the book as well as just having [TS]

00:09:13   flu season she spends a lot of time just [TS]

00:09:15   being a prisoner and Harrenhal and then [TS]

00:09:17   when Tywin leave she comes a cupbearer [TS]

00:09:20   for whatever random guys left in charge [TS]

00:09:23   of Harrenhal and then she gets to start [TS]

00:09:26   killing people off [TS]

00:09:28   I thought that was nice though the [TS]

00:09:29   tender meats Tywin what the Ascension of [TS]

00:09:30   the second season is that these [TS]

00:09:32   characters who were more or less [TS]

00:09:34   together in the first season have now [TS]

00:09:35   been spread to the four winds and you [TS]

00:09:37   want as a viewer to floor it to for them [TS]

00:09:39   to get back together you want to see the [TS]

00:09:41   mother reunited with child you want to [TS]

00:09:42   see are you get back two of them you [TS]

00:09:44   want to see them to find out about each [TS]

00:09:45   other especially since all these lies [TS]

00:09:46   about what's going on are flying between [TS]

00:09:47   them and then they don't have iphones [TS]

00:09:49   and they just got the friggin birds they [TS]

00:09:51   killed all the birds and like that [TS]

00:09:53   that's a good reminded me of the [TS]

00:09:55   attention of what's your name that the [TS]

00:09:58   girl who went missing in walking dead [TS]

00:10:00   alright I think that was the whole [TS]

00:10:03   second season of walking dead is a [TS]

00:10:05   Stephanie your general whatever that [TS]

00:10:07   girl goes missing and that underlies the [TS]

00:10:09   entire season so this was all like those [TS]

00:10:11   people who you like bad things happen to [TS]

00:10:12   them in season one and season two [TS]

00:10:14   they're all spread out and you want them [TS]

00:10:15   to like you want them to get together [TS]

00:10:17   and even where Sophia where Sophia we [TS]

00:10:21   want you want more bad things to happen [TS]

00:10:22   to the people that you don't like I said [TS]

00:10:24   well right now but that's like it's I [TS]

00:10:26   thought that was nice i thought it added [TS]

00:10:28   it added an extra element of tension two [TS]

00:10:30   scenes that would otherwise be like you [TS]

00:10:32   know because it's just always in the [TS]

00:10:33   back of your mind that one night you [TS]

00:10:34   know as I think I mentioned in the first [TS]

00:10:36   in about when we talk about games of [TS]

00:10:39   Thrones last year that still remains my [TS]

00:10:41   favorite line from the first season is [TS]

00:10:45   in the first episode Ned Stark saying to [TS]

00:10:47   John Snow oh I'll tell you about your [TS]

00:10:49   mother next time i see you and having [TS]

00:10:51   read the book and I point just laughing [TS]

00:10:53   hilariously looking at it yes I'll [TS]

00:10:55   resolve all mysteries in the next time [TS]

00:10:57   we talk [TS]

00:10:58   yeah we'll just watch it together for [TS]

00:11:00   you know for a coffee [TS]

00:11:02   yeah like 10 episodes will be good in [TS]

00:11:04   the 11th episode yeah there is no maybe [TS]

00:11:08   comes back as a white Walker and like me [TS]

00:11:10   looks headless yeah you're so sure I [TS]

00:11:13   mean kinky coffee but he doesn't have [TS]

00:11:15   ears and he'll never hear the story it's [TS]

00:11:18   so touching the worst tries to speak but [TS]

00:11:21   there's no head so we can't say anything [TS]

00:11:23   is awkward [TS]

00:11:25   india so generates so the Jon Snow story [TS]

00:11:28   is a lifetime movie they basically they [TS]

00:11:32   basically saddle up and go beyond the [TS]

00:11:34   wall to find mance rayder right we lose [TS]

00:11:38   the like masking an army who are they [TS]

00:11:40   looking for they're looking really [TS]

00:11:41   looking invention the the start no they [TS]

00:11:44   don't they go out to look for you know [TS]

00:11:45   the wild things right to basically [TS]

00:11:47   figure out what's going on that you [TS]

00:11:49   don't be on the wall that wasn't made [TS]

00:11:50   clear to me as a viewer who hasn't read [TS]

00:11:52   the books what it is they were like this [TS]

00:11:54   stuff going on north of all this the [TS]

00:11:56   wildlings but then why did they feel we [TS]

00:11:58   have set out from our little [TS]

00:11:59   fortification and now we need to go out [TS]

00:12:01   into the cold area well I don't think [TS]

00:12:02   they sort of get that Mance Rayder is it [TS]

00:12:04   start building an army [TS]

00:12:06   yeah they know two things manage all the [TS]

00:12:08   wildlings have gone north to wherever [TS]

00:12:10   match Raiders cave is actually he's in a [TS]

00:12:13   cave and also there's those two guys [TS]

00:12:16   that came back from the dead [TS]

00:12:17   sure the whites and answer but this this [TS]

00:12:20   makes them decide this small band that's [TS]

00:12:22   charged with guarding the wall everyone [TS]

00:12:23   mount up [TS]

00:12:24   let's go into the wild to do what [TS]

00:12:26   exactly you know to to scout scout that [TS]

00:12:29   is gonna check it out to see what Mance [TS]

00:12:31   Rayder is doing with his army take care [TS]

00:12:33   of what needs doing it you know the last [TS]

00:12:35   several scouting parties didn't come [TS]

00:12:37   back including bench and start right so [TS]

00:12:38   naturally you just gotta write the Great [TS]

00:12:41   Britain people and you know maybe the [TS]

00:12:43   the most important people in the Nights [TS]

00:12:45   Watch to scout because none of the other [TS]

00:12:47   press scouting parties come back what [TS]

00:12:49   could possibly go wrong on that so then [TS]

00:12:51   they go to date they go to Craster's for [TS]

00:12:54   a little while [TS]

00:12:55   yeah where he's got he's got which is [TS]

00:12:57   which is unrelenting from the novel [TS]

00:12:59   which although he was not quite as i [TS]

00:13:00   pictured him but it was I mean the [TS]

00:13:02   setting is is well and the concept which [TS]

00:13:05   is that he has he has sex with his his [TS]

00:13:07   daughters and then they kill all the [TS]

00:13:09   baby boys and keep the girl with a [TS]

00:13:10   camera on it they giving it to Eddie [TS]

00:13:12   give you a white Walker yet which I'd [TS]

00:13:15   already blessed in the show they don't [TS]

00:13:16   actually show it happening in the moment [TS]

00:13:18   it's it's sort of alluded to I feel like [TS]

00:13:20   yeah [TS]

00:13:21   but it was it was effects that guy well [TS]

00:13:23   we know they've given us a lot more [TS]

00:13:25   glimpses we started out right and the [TS]

00:13:27   first book opens and the first series [TS]

00:13:28   opens with manual and and an encounter [TS]

00:13:31   right Walker but I feel like by the end [TS]

00:13:35   of season do especially by the very last [TS]

00:13:37   shot we have seen a lot more of them [TS]

00:13:38   than we ever really see in the book like [TS]

00:13:42   clear like from a clear perspective and [TS]

00:13:45   so you know i i've sort of mixed [TS]

00:13:47   feelings about that because on the one [TS]

00:13:48   hand it look kind of cool about the [TS]

00:13:50   zombies are cool that the whites but at [TS]

00:13:53   the same time everyday it [TS]

00:13:55   it reduces some of the mysteriousness [TS]

00:13:57   around them and especially when you have [TS]

00:14:00   to apply like special effects it's one [TS]

00:14:02   of the few elements of the show [TS]

00:14:03   basically that in the dragons that are [TS]

00:14:06   really into a certain extent Melisandre [TS]

00:14:08   yes the other one [TS]

00:14:09   those are kind of the magic the magic [TS]

00:14:10   element which is sort of few and far [TS]

00:14:13   between in the first season and in the [TS]

00:14:15   second season becomes much more [TS]

00:14:16   prevalent up [TS]

00:14:18   that's an original engine that I was [TS]

00:14:19   also the guy that Daenerys talks to the [TS]

00:14:22   Warlock separate like this [TS]

00:14:24   he's like me she asked guy but like this [TS]

00:14:27   this idea like that i like the fact that [TS]

00:14:29   they open the show because i knew [TS]

00:14:30   nothing about Game of Thrones and so the [TS]

00:14:31   opening scene is the white Walker [TS]

00:14:32   something like this it can be sure about [TS]

00:14:34   these magic monsters and then nothing [TS]

00:14:35   for a long time but then at the end of [TS]

00:14:37   season one dragon so now the whole I [TS]

00:14:40   don't know how game of thrones goes in [TS]

00:14:41   the book but I think of the thing as a [TS]

00:14:43   bunch of annoying human squabbling with [TS]

00:14:46   each other all the while supernatural [TS]

00:14:48   forces are massing on all sides and they [TS]

00:14:49   don't realize it and they don't know [TS]

00:14:51   what's coming [TS]

00:14:52   that is true it is the theme of the [TS]

00:14:53   books right is that is that humans are [TS]

00:14:55   fighting each other and killing each [TS]

00:14:57   other and meanwhile something really bad [TS]

00:15:00   is going on from everywhere and other [TS]

00:15:02   than the Nights Watch yeah nobody's [TS]

00:15:05   paying attention and damaris anyone near [TS]

00:15:07   Daenerys she's got dragons these guys [TS]

00:15:08   are zombies and this is crazy witch lady [TS]

00:15:10   and you know what's really funny is to [TS]

00:15:12   put in parallel there i don't know if [TS]

00:15:14   any of you have played there is a game [TS]

00:15:15   of thrones board game which is sort of a [TS]

00:15:18   tactical board game but what I love [TS]

00:15:19   about it is you're basically all playing [TS]

00:15:21   the houses and you're sort of squabbling [TS]

00:15:23   and meanwhile there's sort of a counter [TS]

00:15:25   that goes on waiting until the others [TS]

00:15:26   come and a certain point you all have to [TS]

00:15:28   sort of band together and secretly you [TS]

00:15:30   sort of bid how many like armies you're [TS]

00:15:33   going to commit [TS]

00:15:34   and if you all like if you turn it over [TS]

00:15:38   and it turns out you're bitten off your [TS]

00:15:39   fine and then but everybody tries to [TS]

00:15:41   jockey with each other like I'm not [TS]

00:15:42   going to commit that many forces because [TS]

00:15:43   I don't want to leave myself undefended [TS]

00:15:45   and so one time I was playing with my [TS]

00:15:46   friends and we all bit like one and when [TS]

00:15:49   the walkers just come down and like wipe [TS]

00:15:50   you a question is like well I guess we [TS]

00:15:53   learned a lesson there [TS]

00:15:54   sadly the people in this book not gonna [TS]

00:15:57   learn that was yeah no spoilers [TS]

00:15:59   narratives man [TS]

00:16:00   no and I'm not giving any somebody's no [TS]

00:16:02   no baby you could sort of you can sort [TS]

00:16:04   of put it together when ya based on how [TS]

00:16:05   these guys act that's really the name of [TS]

00:16:07   the of the of the story is that man [TS]

00:16:10   squabble 'he's and doesn't recognize [TS]

00:16:12   this existential threat that is [TS]

00:16:14   happening and and the i think in the is [TS]

00:16:17   it the first season where they send the [TS]

00:16:19   guys to King's Landing to recruit more [TS]

00:16:20   members little urine and write going [TS]

00:16:23   ends up taking re away with him and then [TS]

00:16:25   he meets with a an unfortunate end but [TS]

00:16:27   that's how she gets out of King's [TS]

00:16:28   Landing that whole thing is like they're [TS]

00:16:30   trying to drum up support for the the [TS]

00:16:32   because the Nights Watch we see them and [TS]

00:16:34   they've got their little castle and all [TS]

00:16:35   that but this story is that they don't [TS]

00:16:37   they don't have any resources they used [TS]

00:16:39   to have feel like all these camels along [TS]

00:16:42   the border and only let's see only three [TS]

00:16:43   of them have people and it's been a [TS]

00:16:45   thousand years or whatever it's gonna do [TS]

00:16:47   that you know we don't need these guys [TS]

00:16:48   enjoy [TS]

00:16:49   I'm plus that there Pete there they're [TS]

00:16:51   recruiting system sucks because it's [TS]

00:16:52   like a wall you'll never be able to [TS]

00:16:54   marry and again tonight and get a [TS]

00:16:56   criminal [TS]

00:16:57   ok anybody basically like Australia exit [TS]

00:16:59   colder it's like the priesthood you [TS]

00:17:01   can't you can't you can't really say you [TS]

00:17:04   can't say no you deny them the right to [TS]

00:17:06   marry that that's that's a real real [TS]

00:17:08   part hurts their recruiting efforts i'm [TS]

00:17:10   really surprised that the Nights Watch [TS]

00:17:12   functions as a you know an actual [TS]

00:17:14   organization and all of the ax murderers [TS]

00:17:17   and criminals don't try and staged a [TS]

00:17:19   coup [TS]

00:17:19   you know I mean they don't work together [TS]

00:17:21   that that ya know is that you know they [TS]

00:17:24   they're basically given the option you [TS]

00:17:26   want to die or you 52 you want to [TS]

00:17:28   continue living basically like life [TS]

00:17:29   sentence but like you know essentially [TS]

00:17:32   not be a prisoner and you know that [TS]

00:17:36   people want to live I think the violent [TS]

00:17:38   environment would make them so they [TS]

00:17:39   don't get hard it's hard for them to run [TS]

00:17:41   for example and they don't have a lot of [TS]

00:17:44   other options and there are enough [TS]

00:17:45   people in there who are either [TS]

00:17:47   therefore other white-collar reasons so [TS]

00:17:51   to speak [TS]

00:17:51   my dad didn't love me that's why he [TS]

00:17:53   essentially or for voluntary reason I [TS]

00:17:56   mean I try to remember if it's is it i [TS]

00:17:58   don't remember enough of the books [TS]

00:17:59   because it's been awhile since i've read [TS]

00:18:00   them i don't remember if Mormon if they [TS]

00:18:02   ever give the reason that he ends up [TS]

00:18:05   there other than does he go voluntarily [TS]

00:18:07   the the old bear the commander [TS]

00:18:09   yeah i don't know i don't think I mean [TS]

00:18:11   he's obviously not a criminal and you [TS]

00:18:13   know i believe i lost a bet it ya know I [TS]

00:18:16   think it has something to do with his [TS]

00:18:18   with you with his son right right moment [TS]

00:18:22   yeah oh yeah not not giving away [TS]

00:18:23   spoilers but there was something that's [TS]

00:18:25   not a spoiler there are two different [TS]

00:18:28   languages there are two more yes yes we [TS]

00:18:30   don't know i mean we know they're really [TS]

00:18:32   because there isn't related and we know [TS]

00:18:34   that you are always exiled you just [TS]

00:18:36   don't know why yet but anyway the night [TS]

00:18:39   watches you know they're the last guards [TS]

00:18:42   of humanity and their their their [TS]

00:18:43   underfunded their crappy it's a little [TS]

00:18:46   but it's not it's not a lot of pot holes [TS]

00:18:48   in the wall and so don't have the money [TS]

00:18:49   to fix ya and plot holes but it's an [TS]

00:18:52   infrastructure problem so John goes and [TS]

00:18:55   ends up it actually what i would say is [TS]

00:18:58   one of the weakest things in the second [TS]

00:18:59   season is that they find the wildling [TS]

00:19:02   girl I egret and um and the other Nights [TS]

00:19:08   Watch guys basically Jon Snow you get [TS]

00:19:10   there we're gonna leave you take care of [TS]

00:19:13   her and kill her [TS]

00:19:14   we're gonna we're gonna go over here [TS]

00:19:15   thought they did a better job of [TS]

00:19:16   explaining in you know in terms of in [TS]

00:19:20   the TV show like they're basically just [TS]

00:19:23   gonna kill her right and he doesn't want [TS]

00:19:25   to kill her [TS]

00:19:26   yeah he's like well no I'll do it you [TS]

00:19:28   know kind of realized why did they go so [TS]

00:19:30   far away why don't you just go around [TS]

00:19:31   the corner like it did you kill my [TS]

00:19:33   apartment yet come out like they just [TS]

00:19:34   like no actually believed you for a day [TS]

00:19:36   I'm gonna go take I need to get them [TS]

00:19:38   separated somehow it's all right i think [TS]

00:19:39   the other that I think coroner the other [TS]

00:19:42   Rangers don't like job snow right he was [TS]

00:19:45   attached to their little delegation and [TS]

00:19:48   they're thinking you kill her [TS]

00:19:50   they just tiptoe away hope united [TS]

00:19:52   watching him they're ditching we're [TS]

00:19:54   gonna go get some fast food i think it [TS]

00:19:55   was realistic they would say you kill [TS]

00:19:56   her as kind of like a test of like show [TS]

00:19:58   that you're up for you know we've been a [TS]

00:20:00   lot of wildlings we kill them and your [TS]

00:20:01   new guy so show us that you understand [TS]

00:20:03   the room when we meet these guys we kill [TS]

00:20:05   them and so you know it's like a test to [TS]

00:20:06   see if you've got an especially if you [TS]

00:20:08   use the hot redhead is production but he [TS]

00:20:10   fails the test you know but that that [TS]

00:20:12   was a test you failed so we get you get [TS]

00:20:15   the next that then they get captured by [TS]

00:20:17   the Wildings right yeah she leads him [TS]

00:20:19   into a trap [TS]

00:20:20   the worst thing you could wrap not only [TS]

00:20:22   can I kill her he can't keep a prisoner [TS]

00:20:24   he doesn't like his the worst he's also [TS]

00:20:25   not good with women because she's so [TS]

00:20:26   pretty great with the night and chewing [TS]

00:20:29   apparently he's a good at fighting but [TS]

00:20:30   he's incompetent many other ways and [TS]

00:20:32   probably deserves to be in like you know [TS]

00:20:33   nothing Jon series gonna carry him or [TS]

00:20:36   I'll bring you by a string but this will [TS]

00:20:38   be attached to you and I we like sex [TS]

00:20:41   cuddle he was raised settle in [TS]

00:20:43   Winterfell he's not really a ranger come [TS]

00:20:46   on everyone in this world lousy at [TS]

00:20:48   keeping prisoners right of the season [TS]

00:20:50   escape with bran and Rickon were about [TS]

00:20:53   to escape are you had already escaped [TS]

00:20:55   they love taking prisoners they can't [TS]

00:20:57   hold them [TS]

00:20:58   yeah that would slow down the plot even [TS]

00:21:00   more the i really i really like although [TS]

00:21:03   he doesn't get much time in the TV show [TS]

00:21:06   I like corn half handle a lot million [TS]

00:21:09   part of that is just mainly the [TS]

00:21:10   characterization from the books he's [TS]

00:21:12   basically like you know the [TS]

00:21:13   tough-as-nails doesn't really like this [TS]

00:21:16   guy but kind of also is smart enough to [TS]

00:21:19   know what's going on and how you know [TS]

00:21:23   essentially sacrifices himself for what [TS]

00:21:25   is the only real option so in the TV [TS]

00:21:27   show it is much more it's much less [TS]

00:21:32   obvious than in the books that the way [TS]

00:21:36   they do it is that is that have hand in [TS]

00:21:38   the eighth episode tells John basically [TS]

00:21:41   when the time comes you're gonna have to [TS]

00:21:43   do what you need to do and then there's [TS]

00:21:46   the ninth episode where they don't [TS]

00:21:47   appear and then in the 10th episode he [TS]

00:21:50   picks a fight with them and and jon is [TS]

00:21:53   forced to kill him [TS]

00:21:55   which is interesting is in the books as [TS]

00:21:56   i recall Monty you just read it you can [TS]

00:21:59   remind me of this that and I recall it's [TS]

00:22:01   much more like they get in a position [TS]

00:22:02   where they realize that they're going to [TS]

00:22:04   be in trouble and [TS]

00:22:05   half and basically tells him okay you [TS]

00:22:07   need to kill me now because the only way [TS]

00:22:08   either of us is getting out of there is [TS]

00:22:10   if you do that and can prove your [TS]

00:22:11   loyalty to them and and it's spelled out [TS]

00:22:14   very clearly and I'm not sure whether [TS]

00:22:15   it's better or worse that it's done this [TS]

00:22:17   way it's more ambiguous I think it's a [TS]

00:22:20   little more unclear for for the viewer [TS]

00:22:21   but uh but I mean like it's lesson is [TS]

00:22:25   also less of that kind of like stage [TS]

00:22:27   whispering headed right now am i killing [TS]

00:22:28   me and I thought it was heavy-handed in [TS]

00:22:30   the show I thought I thought I thought [TS]

00:22:32   isn't it [TS]

00:22:32   I thought it was so heavy hands like you [TS]

00:22:34   know we're all in a business like you [TS]

00:22:36   know having one of us the inside would [TS]

00:22:38   be great if you can do what must be done [TS]

00:22:40   like that do you have to spell it out [TS]

00:22:42   four majors i rolled my eyes but then [TS]

00:22:43   with them when they were fighting and [TS]

00:22:44   they were killing mark was like what's [TS]

00:22:45   going on him i did you see that other [TS]

00:22:46   episode where he's like a few can do I [TS]

00:22:48   thought it was so heavy-handed that's [TS]

00:22:50   like and I thought it would be it was [TS]

00:22:51   like a human element where jon snow [TS]

00:22:53   doesn't go what do you mean what do you [TS]

00:22:55   mean do what must be done like a you an [TS]

00:22:56   idiot he just said it would be great to [TS]

00:22:58   have one of us on the inside and then he [TS]

00:23:00   and right after that he yells at him and [TS]

00:23:02   says you know right now what would have [TS]

00:23:03   been much better but if you have and it [TS]

00:23:05   said it would be great to have one of us [TS]

00:23:06   on the inside and it was generally but [TS]

00:23:08   not why not busy right after that like [TS]

00:23:10   on and then I don't actually remember [TS]

00:23:12   that scene in the book and I think it [TS]

00:23:13   might actually be something that happens [TS]

00:23:15   right at the beginning of the third oh [TS]

00:23:16   ok well our cat because once it is one [TS]

00:23:19   of the things they did do in this series [TS]

00:23:21   is is there's some stuff in the end of [TS]

00:23:24   the first season that's from the second [TS]

00:23:25   book and their stuff at the end of the [TS]

00:23:26   second season is from the third book and [TS]

00:23:29   they also withheld some stuff from the [TS]

00:23:30   second book because they didn't want to [TS]

00:23:32   cast characters and have them in one [TS]

00:23:35   scene of one season so like we don't see [TS]

00:23:38   Mance Rayder frog men we don't see the [TS]

00:23:40   field we don't see the Frog people we [TS]

00:23:42   don't it's just like how we didn't see [TS]

00:23:43   sounds like it's like frog be sorry we [TS]

00:23:45   was gonna be on windows into the show [TS]

00:23:47   frogadier's we don't see we don't see [TS]

00:23:49   scan us in the first season even though [TS]

00:23:50   he's in the previously mentioned he's [TS]

00:23:52   mentioned but we don't see them even [TS]

00:23:54   other scenes with him look I think I [TS]

00:23:55   think there was a problem the series is [TS]

00:23:57   a lot of time they would put characters [TS]

00:23:58   on the screen and I'm like wait which [TS]

00:24:00   one is he [TS]

00:24:01   because I'd heard Stannis Baratheon and [TS]

00:24:02   like I know that name but I don't [TS]

00:24:04   recognize the actor and I guess because [TS]

00:24:06   he wasn't in the first season but I they [TS]

00:24:08   kept talking about him and Renly they [TS]

00:24:09   talked about right you know but it [TS]

00:24:11   really does appear though they have the [TS]

00:24:13   first she's [TS]

00:24:13   will they ever seen him in the night of [TS]

00:24:14   y-yeah hard to forget yeah and the [TS]

00:24:16   knight of flowers are buddies that's why [TS]

00:24:18   that's why his betrothed people talk [TS]

00:24:20   about that in the first season Michael [TS]

00:24:21   did you have trouble falling with all [TS]

00:24:22   these characters like nose right on [TS]

00:24:24   board but season 2 it start to lose me [TS]

00:24:25   and because I was like it's not going to [TS]

00:24:28   get into it was only like for the first [TS]

00:24:30   three episodes that I settled in but it [TS]

00:24:31   was because it's like all the all these [TS]

00:24:33   new actors are like I thought Renly was [TS]

00:24:35   new I mean I guess it did seem in season [TS]

00:24:36   1 but he was so unimportant in this [TS]

00:24:38   season it's like Stannis and Renly and [TS]

00:24:39   that whole thing is like you don't [TS]

00:24:40   remember the scene with the night flower [TS]

00:24:41   shaves his chest and season one I didn't [TS]

00:24:43   recognize them as the same guy i like my [TS]

00:24:45   wife reminded that for me i remember the [TS]

00:24:48   scene but I didn't connect that guy [TS]

00:24:49   what's interesting is to we've already [TS]

00:24:51   met minor character we met characters in [TS]

00:24:53   a minor capacity in season that wanted [TS]

00:24:55   to that appear later i'm thinking [TS]

00:24:57   particularly of we have a brief [TS]

00:24:59   appearance in season one of beric [TS]

00:25:00   Dondarrion was the sort of this becomes [TS]

00:25:03   this mercenary leader in the the [TS]

00:25:04   Brotherhood without banners from and I [TS]

00:25:07   which is reference but which is [TS]

00:25:08   reference and we don't medium but he [TS]

00:25:10   appears in a brief scene where like [TS]

00:25:11   Robert tells him [TS]

00:25:13   oh go up to the Riverlands and root out [TS]

00:25:15   all these troublemakers and we like he's [TS]

00:25:17   out there for 30 seconds like all right [TS]

00:25:18   I'm off them to do that number kind of [TS]

00:25:20   wondering are they gonna bring back the [TS]

00:25:21   same like random same a dude that they [TS]

00:25:23   had the letters it totally recast they [TS]

00:25:25   only change that cup electors I think [TS]

00:25:27   they the mountain is played by different [TS]

00:25:29   guy is the one season typically huh [TS]

00:25:31   seems like it'd be hard to find another [TS]

00:25:33   guy who looks like this put a big guy [TS]

00:25:34   with the dominant side of his head [TS]

00:25:36   no that's the dog that surrounds his [TS]

00:25:38   brother who had this right dude [TS]

00:25:40   yeah if anything of scarier than that [TS]

00:25:42   yeah I wouldn't notice that recast that [TS]

00:25:44   because all you see is like you know his [TS]

00:25:45   shoulders and his chin [TS]

00:25:46   I know yeah it's like that guy police [TS]

00:25:48   squad so so I'm let's talk about the [TS]

00:25:52   Brethren brothers because they're [TS]

00:25:53   they're both in playing a game account [TS]

00:25:55   on the way and yes the brothers [TS]

00:25:57   Baratheon I think that's what you're [TS]

00:25:58   thinking fine independent film they they [TS]

00:26:02   they have that interesting scene where [TS]

00:26:04   they they have that conversation like [TS]

00:26:06   well join with me as I know join with me [TS]

00:26:08   know and then the the one of those [TS]

00:26:12   shocking uses of magic where where the [TS]

00:26:15   red lady Melisandre like has a shadow [TS]

00:26:19   baby down in a boat somewhere that's [TS]

00:26:23   pretty efficient magic I mean it was [TS]

00:26:25   strangely produced but it went and got [TS]

00:26:26   the job [TS]

00:26:27   done right away right i mean [TS]

00:26:28   conventionally produced to just you know [TS]

00:26:30   instead of a regular baby there was [TS]

00:26:32   smoke baby there was yeah yeah it had [TS]

00:26:34   like this purple shadow baby did not [TS]

00:26:35   mess around just went right to i'm [TS]

00:26:37   supposed to go and kill this one person [TS]

00:26:38   i will come out materialize I will kill [TS]

00:26:40   him I will leave its magic magic [TS]

00:26:41   assassination which pity which I like an [TS]

00:26:43   actual price i like it because John [TS]

00:26:45   sighs what Ollie what George Martin does [TS]

00:26:48   that in these books that i think is is [TS]

00:26:49   good and that they picked up for the TV [TS]

00:26:51   show is these moments of shocking magic [TS]

00:26:53   where you you're logged into feeling [TS]

00:26:54   like I'm watching a world where the [TS]

00:26:55   rules are the rules of the world and [TS]

00:26:58   said you know it's a different setting [TS]

00:26:59   but all the rules apply and then there's [TS]

00:27:01   a magic shadow thing that comes and [TS]

00:27:03   kills you and it's not going on but and [TS]

00:27:06   i love that because it's that moment was [TS]

00:27:07   a great fantasy right I I like also like [TS]

00:27:10   I don't know how this is going to be [TS]

00:27:11   resolved but i like the fact that she [TS]

00:27:12   was like the whole you know you have to [TS]

00:27:14   join my religion and like we're gonna do [TS]

00:27:16   this whole big thing in your life boy [TS]

00:27:17   he's getting bamboozle this is all made [TS]

00:27:19   up BS right then she gives birth to [TS]

00:27:21   shadow baby like how she was excited me [TS]

00:27:24   I'm here runs out well you know i don't [TS]

00:27:26   i'm still like skeptical about like her [TS]

00:27:29   powers versus you know like it because [TS]

00:27:31   first you thought it was justjust [TS]

00:27:32   power-hungry she's gonna trick this dupe [TS]

00:27:34   the stupid guy into following her with [TS]

00:27:35   this fake made up religion thing but she [TS]

00:27:37   does have actual magic but as it turns [TS]

00:27:39   out it's not quite enough to seal [TS]

00:27:41   victory that they will I really like [TS]

00:27:43   that scene with a with Stannis and Renly [TS]

00:27:45   because there is I feel like an element [TS]

00:27:47   of the sort of the brotherly aspect of [TS]

00:27:51   it where it's just like neither of them [TS]

00:27:52   you know there's so many resentments and [TS]

00:27:54   everything built up over time that the [TS]

00:27:57   two of them are just like you can't [TS]

00:27:59   trust each other because they know each [TS]

00:28:00   other so well in some ways but this [TS]

00:28:02   regret in both of them like regretting [TS]

00:28:04   both devices that you know because they [TS]

00:28:05   want you know and you and it's hard to [TS]

00:28:08   root despite the fact that Stannis you [TS]

00:28:10   know and insofar as the the rules of the [TS]

00:28:12   world to go you can look all right stand [TS]

00:28:15   is technically now is the guide to do [TS]

00:28:17   this but he's the wrong got like you [TS]

00:28:19   know he's he's friendly is no prize [TS]

00:28:21   either they're right there really is not [TS]

00:28:22   much better but like what Stannis has [TS]

00:28:24   that you know they were you know which [TS]

00:28:26   everyone talks about which is just like [TS]

00:28:27   he's got such a stick up his back [TS]

00:28:30   really i don't think any of the [TS]

00:28:31   candidates would be good Kings I don't [TS]

00:28:34   understand like like who who is the [TS]

00:28:36   better guy like whose motives or more [TS]

00:28:38   pure who you know you know like they all [TS]

00:28:40   have they all have weird motivations but [TS]

00:28:42   like Sam is kind of like he's trying to [TS]

00:28:44   be a stand-up guy like he's good too [TS]

00:28:46   what's his name wasn't on the boat at [TS]

00:28:48   the end what's this friend of the onion [TS]

00:28:49   yeah yeah he was one of the few really [TS]

00:28:51   redeemed like right and generally good [TS]

00:28:53   character and addison shrinking you know [TS]

00:28:56   he's spanish and her like are he's good [TS]

00:28:58   he's gotta know you know he's honorable [TS]

00:29:00   if not particularly agencies are making [TS]

00:29:02   matic he makes bad choices but in [TS]

00:29:04   general he's trying to do the right [TS]

00:29:05   thing and ran late for the same thing [TS]

00:29:06   really is not crazy and power-hungry [TS]

00:29:08   like he's not he's not Joffrey you know [TS]

00:29:10   or anything like that he's he's finds [TS]

00:29:13   himself in a difficult situation as well [TS]

00:29:15   and so that's why it's that kind of [TS]

00:29:16   tragedy of those two brothers that if [TS]

00:29:18   they had just they just talk to each [TS]

00:29:20   other [TS]

00:29:21   well if you're gonna go by motivations [TS]

00:29:23   the only candidates for King that really [TS]

00:29:26   have pure motivations are garrisoned [TS]

00:29:28   Joffrey well Benares is not very pure I [TS]

00:29:30   think it crazy i think the world belongs [TS]

00:29:32   to me because i have dragons does not [TS]

00:29:34   mean i don't birth people i think relax [TS]

00:29:37   King Robb has you know Rob at least the [TS]

00:29:40   way it starts out which is to say Rob [TS]

00:29:41   generally is like really I just want us [TS]

00:29:44   to kind of be left alone but you're not [TS]

00:29:46   going to do that so I think and then I'm [TS]

00:29:48   really pissed off because you killed my [TS]

00:29:49   dad and so I think you know rob has his [TS]

00:29:52   flaws but at the same time he comes off [TS]

00:29:55   looking pretty good [TS]

00:29:56   based on the competition like even once [TS]

00:29:58   you know we get him in season two we get [TS]

00:30:00   him falling in love and he wants to [TS]

00:30:02   screw over his tactical decisions [TS]

00:30:03   because of his heart which is [TS]

00:30:05   unfortunately you know that's my thing [TS]

00:30:07   is just with real kings to we're talking [TS]

00:30:09   about Joffrey has there ever been a [TS]

00:30:13   better character that you love to hate [TS]

00:30:15   that poor actor will he ever get a job [TS]

00:30:17   again is so good at planes offerings [TS]

00:30:20   here [TS]

00:30:21   oh man reminds me the kid who plays [TS]

00:30:23   draco malfoy their economy that's [TS]

00:30:25   everything I found Rico more more [TS]

00:30:27   sympathetic away more simple trace those [TS]

00:30:30   wrinkles not a sadist right now what [TS]

00:30:33   draco starts out as being a little bit [TS]

00:30:35   crazy right as like 11 and 12 year old [TS]

00:30:37   boy he gets more relatable as he grows [TS]

00:30:40   older Joffrey Joffrey start [TS]

00:30:42   yes he's joking with you [TS]

00:30:44   yeah you're really relatable one can [TS]

00:30:45   even when he was trying to impress the [TS]

00:30:47   girl and failing and hurting himself [TS]

00:30:50   with like the swords by the right that [TS]

00:30:52   was one relatable seen and that was the [TS]

00:30:53   turning point is character and he just [TS]

00:30:55   went you know what it's like if anyone [TS]

00:30:57   didn't you read the stand I want to make [TS]

00:30:58   this register right there now you didn't [TS]

00:31:01   i'm not related to Joffrey in the scene [TS]

00:31:03   were a hound quit [TS]

00:31:05   yes yeah that's right there where he [TS]

00:31:07   doesn't need that right what lousy kid [TS]

00:31:09   with that seems odd man also where Terry [TS]

00:31:12   and it's like listen go out there you [TS]

00:31:14   need to do this as a kid like you could [TS]

00:31:16   be there's still time to salvage us king [TS]

00:31:19   that makes me go out there and do it [TS]

00:31:21   maybe like tyrion more but I knew he [TS]

00:31:23   wasn't going to write what I think [TS]

00:31:24   there's a moment there's a moment of [TS]

00:31:25   indecision in Joffrey that and then it's [TS]

00:31:28   just you can he be redeemed in three you [TS]

00:31:30   know right like he's just it's not that [TS]

00:31:32   he's like necessarily in that moment you [TS]

00:31:33   see that he's not he's not a douchebag [TS]

00:31:36   necessarily because he's just I think he [TS]

00:31:38   has problems but like it's fear at the [TS]

00:31:41   root of that right [TS]

00:31:42   he's just honestly scared and wants to [TS]

00:31:44   hang out but he's already decided the [TS]

00:31:46   way he deals with his feelings by fears [TS]

00:31:48   by turning by turning into evil acts [TS]

00:31:50   against others not to make some event [TS]

00:31:52   but he's still I mean agreed but he's [TS]

00:31:54   still young enough at that point that [TS]

00:31:55   you feel like maybe you could change him [TS]

00:31:57   but I have pity for his situation but [TS]

00:32:00   but the character is he's like totally [TS]

00:32:01   we all need just at a certain point it's [TS]

00:32:04   just tipped and it's like there's no [TS]

00:32:05   going back for him needs to be slapped [TS]

00:32:07   in every stain and then eventually [TS]

00:32:08   killed what I what I love about Joffrey [TS]

00:32:11   is that he is the embodiment of [TS]

00:32:13   everything that I've ever thought that [TS]

00:32:16   in reading history about young people [TS]

00:32:20   being put on the throne as monarchs [TS]

00:32:23   which is which is and it's also a little [TS]

00:32:24   bit like it like Anthony in that [TS]

00:32:26   Twilight Zone episode 2 it's like you [TS]

00:32:28   give absolute power to somebody who has [TS]

00:32:30   absolutely no maturity at all [TS]

00:32:32   what do you think is going to happen [TS]

00:32:33   more often than not you are you are you [TS]

00:32:36   are taking a huge risk that they're [TS]

00:32:38   going to be so warped by their [TS]

00:32:40   experience that got them to that point [TS]

00:32:42   that you're the bad things are gonna [TS]

00:32:45   happen Joffrey is the embodiment of that [TS]

00:32:47   he is the wrong person in so many [TS]

00:32:51   different ways to tip to be on that [TS]

00:32:53   throne and yet he's the next design most [TS]

00:32:56   as war [TS]

00:32:56   as a what's-her-name license dog license [TS]

00:33:00   son Robert Aaron Robert Aaron yeah we [TS]

00:33:04   didn't see this year right you did tell [TS]

00:33:05   you didn't do we see like that all this [TS]

00:33:07   you know we didn't know how your issue [TS]

00:33:09   will get her back we'll get their money [TS]

00:33:10   back [TS]

00:33:11   yeah i like the fact that Cersei thought [TS]

00:33:12   she could control like all but Joffrey [TS]

00:33:14   up there he's my boy was holding me [TS]

00:33:16   listen to me and that seemed like it was [TS]

00:33:18   working out for like two episodes and [TS]

00:33:20   then and then she lost it and now she's [TS]

00:33:21   like this is dumb [TS]

00:33:22   well I mean as I made him a scene where [TS]

00:33:25   it's the same where he kills net right [TS]

00:33:27   yeah the other season where she suddenly [TS]

00:33:28   goes that was about again oh no so [TS]

00:33:31   forgot that's right King [TS]

00:33:32   so the best part the best part of this [TS]

00:33:34   of this season is i think is Tyrion in [TS]

00:33:38   that position where he's got his sister [TS]

00:33:39   on one side he's for his father has [TS]

00:33:41   invested in him [TS]

00:33:42   recognizing that he's a very smart [TS]

00:33:44   person and then also may be figuring [TS]

00:33:46   what this might be unwinnable i'm just [TS]

00:33:47   going to use Tyrion and this and if you [TS]

00:33:49   close it so what [TS]

00:33:50   but Terry and then is stuck between [TS]

00:33:52   searcy and and Joffrey and he's an end [TS]

00:33:57   it's this great dynamic of somebody you [TS]

00:33:59   want to root for [TS]

00:34:01   but his job is to fix it for all the [TS]

00:34:03   terrible people and I love that because [TS]

00:34:05   i want Tyrion to do well I wanted to [TS]

00:34:07   succeed he's smart he's funny he's does [TS]

00:34:10   quips he's he cares about his his [TS]

00:34:13   girlfriend he slaps Joffrey which is an [TS]

00:34:17   excellent [TS]

00:34:18   it just happens to be from not-so-great [TS]

00:34:19   family yeah but he's loyal two ish yeah [TS]

00:34:22   that's the prophets Islam is all I don't [TS]

00:34:24   like he says at the end of it like why [TS]

00:34:25   don't you just leave it so it's not just [TS]

00:34:27   like oh it's my duty it's like kinda [TS]

00:34:29   like he's good i can just as easily he's [TS]

00:34:32   willing to admit it's not just because [TS]

00:34:33   of duties not just because of loyalty is [TS]

00:34:35   not just because this one is good basic [TS]

00:34:36   kind of enjoy it [TS]

00:34:37   yeah i kinda like doing that turns out [TS]

00:34:39   he's good at it because when we see in [TS]

00:34:40   the first season he's kind of a drift [TS]

00:34:42   right he's just he's going from place to [TS]

00:34:43   place and he's disaffected he's grumpy [TS]

00:34:45   and he meets Braun and they go to the [TS]

00:34:47   earring almost dies but he brought saves [TS]

00:34:49   them and they make the deal with the [TS]

00:34:50   hill people and he's very clever but he [TS]

00:34:53   said reason aired well drifter you waste [TS]

00:34:55   of police has talent yeah and then in [TS]

00:34:58   this it's like this is what he was born [TS]

00:35:00   for which makes it so sad that at the [TS]

00:35:02   end he gets no credit for kids you know [TS]

00:35:04   did you say things that they gotta try [TS]

00:35:06   to kill em season and especially yeah [TS]

00:35:08   the whole scene on the Blackwater which [TS]

00:35:09   I'm sure will get to you no he realizes [TS]

00:35:13   that the only way to sort of you know [TS]

00:35:16   get anything done is to do it himself [TS]

00:35:19   and to lead everybody knows that because [TS]

00:35:21   that's what you get credit for being a [TS]

00:35:22   victory in battle right now I could like [TS]

00:35:24   it but also because he knew that that [TS]

00:35:26   without that would fail [TS]

00:35:28   nothing would happen because that scene [TS]

00:35:29   where Jeffrey runs away we were just [TS]

00:35:30   talking about he's like you know you can [TS]

00:35:32   see that he's losing everybody knows if [TS]

00:35:34   he lets it go [TS]

00:35:36   the city is just dead so you know he as [TS]

00:35:40   much as he doesn't want to go out and go [TS]

00:35:42   into battle not his forte maybe oh yeah [TS]

00:35:44   but he does it because he knows that it [TS]

00:35:46   has to be done [TS]

00:35:48   yeah that makes you my the redeeming [TS]

00:35:50   care and provides the inspiration that [TS]

00:35:51   the King now cannot do [TS]

00:35:54   butBut Tyrion fun Tyrion does what [TS]

00:35:57   joffrey can't which is dig deep even [TS]

00:35:58   even though he doesn't want to be out [TS]

00:35:59   there and he's maybe terrified and does [TS]

00:36:01   what he needs to do to save the city and [TS]

00:36:03   who was sent to kill him one of the one [TS]

00:36:05   of the Kingsguard sky right one of the [TS]

00:36:07   when they when they send out the goods [TS]

00:36:08   saying spent by who though there's think [TS]

00:36:11   Cersei I mean according to various right [TS]

00:36:13   now but who of course has his own agenda [TS]

00:36:14   because i was confused at first i [TS]

00:36:16   thought when i saw him getting attacked [TS]

00:36:17   by his own guy I'm like the audit I [TS]

00:36:19   wouldn't send him that send that guy you [TS]

00:36:21   know because it seems like a pilot but [TS]

00:36:22   it's kind of left and say oh cried [TS]

00:36:25   because I was just buy one comes in and [TS]

00:36:27   he's like I save the day you know and so [TS]

00:36:29   yeah but I was not I mean like I think [TS]

00:36:32   you get the impression from thailand [TS]

00:36:33   character is that he's he's much more [TS]

00:36:34   straightforward the net [TS]

00:36:36   despite being yeah yeah like you get the [TS]

00:36:38   whole thing with him which is kind of I [TS]

00:36:40   don't know if it's clear from these TV [TS]

00:36:42   show but we get the rains of castamere [TS]

00:36:44   we get I I saying I think his [TS]

00:36:48   interaction with mari actually are [TS]

00:36:51   reviewing elaborates his character and [TS]

00:36:53   makes it very clear that he is a [TS]

00:36:54   difficult person but he's really smart [TS]

00:36:57   yeah and that management is sympathetic [TS]

00:36:59   in a way that I never felt really like [TS]

00:37:02   almost like he's honorable like he has [TS]

00:37:03   his own code it's absolutely messed up [TS]

00:37:05   code but it's his code and like well [TS]

00:37:07   it's because he's been kind to someone [TS]

00:37:08   that we like to add the right that he is [TS]

00:37:10   decent there that he's not a jerk to her [TS]

00:37:11   whatever just so happens that he's a [TS]

00:37:13   jerk to the rest of the world [TS]

00:37:14   raimondi sorry I we've been [TS]

00:37:17   you're surfing you've been quiet [TS]

00:37:18   thoughts about about the Syrian and and [TS]

00:37:22   that's really well i agree that Terry [TS]

00:37:24   and starts as an arrow well in fact the [TS]

00:37:26   first time we see him he's being [TS]

00:37:28   portrayed as a drunken whore mom oh yeah [TS]

00:37:31   which he has you know whatever weather [TS]

00:37:33   that everybody in the world is a drunken [TS]

00:37:35   whore monitor just class hear about in [TS]

00:37:37   most summer my original the original [TS]

00:37:39   title being they live stream of drunken [TS]

00:37:41   whore groans get Rockets around so it [TS]

00:37:43   also we have Theon Greyjoy [TS]

00:37:45   oh that you have people who take ya for [TS]

00:37:49   the like maybe this guy is ok to the wow [TS]

00:37:52   this guy is probably this is got this [TS]

00:37:53   guy's like ninth circle of hell right so [TS]

00:37:55   you actually goes home right he goes [TS]

00:37:58   home yeah i'm going home is better than [TS]

00:38:00   a hostage in Winterfell for all the time [TS]

00:38:02   of day goin home now this wasn't clear [TS]

00:38:03   for me from the show like when he's on [TS]

00:38:06   his way home is his intention to it is [TS]

00:38:10   is he going there fully intending to do [TS]

00:38:11   the mission he was sent to do or is he [TS]

00:38:13   going there the whole time thinking now [TS]

00:38:14   you know like we know what he actually [TS]

00:38:16   does but it's like I thought when he was [TS]

00:38:18   on his way there [TS]

00:38:19   he's gonna do a Rob set will get those [TS]

00:38:20   guys you know I think so i think he is I [TS]

00:38:23   think he feels he is at that point still [TS]

00:38:26   feels like oh I'm Rob's buddy Rob wants [TS]

00:38:29   to be king that'll put me in like a [TS]

00:38:30   really great position in position I I [TS]

00:38:32   kind of he's like my brother tiny go to [TS]

00:38:33   my family and I don't be outright [TS]

00:38:35   because they they'll miss me on the [TS]

00:38:37   prodigal son returned right but the [TS]

00:38:39   second he gets there it's like when [TS]

00:38:40   everything goes south grand like in a [TS]

00:38:42   second is like but but daddy why don't [TS]

00:38:44   you love me and had sex with my sister [TS]

00:38:45   and it would just mean you have [TS]

00:38:48   secretary the field right yeah did I [TS]

00:38:51   thought they did horse ride you don't [TS]

00:38:52   know what happened it's just that his [TS]

00:38:56   sister is a piece of work [TS]

00:38:58   yeah yeah i mean that's a good [TS]

00:39:00   characters I'm not really enjoyed the [TS]

00:39:02   great for my family in general and we [TS]

00:39:04   will meet more the Greyjoy family is an [TS]

00:39:06   interesting group of those Islands [TS]

00:39:08   that's not good for the tourist board [TS]

00:39:09   for like probably the Iron Islands where [TS]

00:39:11   they belong to the IRA all the people [TS]

00:39:13   are terrible pay the iron pray come to [TS]

00:39:16   be around in the water whatever what is [TS]

00:39:18   their slogan LOL what is dead may never [TS]

00:39:20   die [TS]

00:39:21   that is that's a great family slogan to [TS]

00:39:23   run for City crack the the actual [TS]

00:39:25   Greyjoy one which is the we do not so [TS]

00:39:27   you know we're not we're not farmers we [TS]

00:39:30   conquer like that in the iron price [TS]

00:39:31   right that was which is it was a great [TS]

00:39:34   scene where I love the culture clash [TS]

00:39:36   there with Eon has been you know it's [TS]

00:39:37   that you send the kids off to school and [TS]

00:39:39   they and they get they get the altar get [TS]

00:39:41   all uppity they get their their [TS]

00:39:43   upbringing in their book learning and [TS]

00:39:44   all over the evening and they come back [TS]

00:39:46   and it's like you know hey mr. cultured [TS]

00:39:49   guy we here we kill people and steal [TS]

00:39:52   their stuff that's what we do here [TS]

00:39:54   generally doesn't like sustainable [TS]

00:39:56   economic system of tyrunt's they get [TS]

00:39:58   pirate to have a mile Arizona and [TS]

00:40:00   wrapping my fish five pirate fishing now [TS]

00:40:02   that's what i'm actually they find the [TS]

00:40:04   food the fish I'm gonna take it from [TS]

00:40:05   them their fish pirates they're paying [TS]

00:40:08   them have asked you scurvy fish boy [TS]

00:40:11   anyway and it's so then beyond get the [TS]

00:40:14   great idea to go to Winterfell which is [TS]

00:40:17   a success in a way [TS]

00:40:19   well that's part of the family those [TS]

00:40:20   like yeah I got to go with his family [TS]

00:40:22   program in my family programs disobey [TS]

00:40:23   orders and take stuff and solve the heat [TS]

00:40:26   go [TS]

00:40:26   you know i will disobey orders and i'll [TS]

00:40:27   try to take stuff yeah and he will wish [TS]

00:40:30   I comment and yeah it's fascinating to [TS]

00:40:32   see just how far he'll go to write like [TS]

00:40:34   we get the scene where he's taking over [TS]

00:40:38   he's kind of whiny right about taking [TS]

00:40:39   over why wont everybody respect me I [TS]

00:40:41   concrete is placed on like that many [TS]

00:40:43   guys I'm awesome that was like cause [TS]

00:40:45   you're a dick [TS]

00:40:47   well if that is like first in command is [TS]

00:40:48   like you know you should really killed [TS]

00:40:49   that guy i get everything he does is [TS]

00:40:51   because of like it's like back he's [TS]

00:40:52   doing it's like people future can you [TS]

00:40:54   know all right well yeah but you don't [TS]

00:40:56   kill these two little kids chicken mean [TS]

00:40:57   it's worse [TS]

00:40:59   yea and NEA and then in he feels like us [TS]

00:41:01   to prove himself right so we have that [TS]

00:41:02   whole thing where he tries to track down [TS]

00:41:04   brand and Rickon because you let them [TS]

00:41:06   get away with what's behind embarrassing [TS]

00:41:08   he let a child a cripple and a half wit [TS]

00:41:11   you know Escape and so does you know [TS]

00:41:14   this really it's even more despicable [TS]

00:41:17   right like that Sam he basically just [TS]

00:41:19   kills two innocent I'm sure he'll do it [TS]

00:41:21   but I like the part where he was forced [TS]

00:41:23   to be the one to you know [TS]

00:41:25   oh yeah still right I like the fact that [TS]

00:41:27   he did it and didn't like that he's [TS]

00:41:29   better than Joffrey already like the [TS]

00:41:30   police to have the guts to do it you [TS]

00:41:31   know i mean he he was shaking the whole [TS]

00:41:33   time it couldn't [TS]

00:41:34   handle it but go ahead Monty really like [TS]

00:41:37   that on the show it was eons fault the [TS]

00:41:39   kids escaped in the book it's they just [TS]

00:41:42   kind of sneak out with their too weird [TS]

00:41:45   green friends that aren't on the show [TS]

00:41:47   but on the show it specifically because [TS]

00:41:50   he couldn't not have sex with this weird [TS]

00:41:53   wildly lady that leads to his big [TS]

00:41:55   disgrace [TS]

00:41:56   so it's more his fault that wasn't his [TS]

00:41:58   fault this is incompetent guards he's [TS]

00:42:00   not guarding all castle himself [TS]

00:42:02   you might say he paid the ironic price [TS]

00:42:04   uh we're gonna say that then you know [TS]

00:42:07   the thing that stands out in my mind I [TS]

00:42:10   is when beyond to take over Winterfell [TS]

00:42:14   has two who is it that he that he kills [TS]

00:42:17   like the leader of the guard right here [TS]

00:42:20   that Roger casa record careful [TS]

00:42:23   yeah the the the section where you [TS]

00:42:25   basically date tries to behead him and [TS]

00:42:28   France [TS]

00:42:29   yeah like eventually yeah but and you [TS]

00:42:32   can hear the hacking away and I was a [TS]

00:42:34   pretty good i haven't beheaded anybody [TS]

00:42:36   but many general and we thought about a [TS]

00:42:38   lot [TS]

00:42:38   well that's telling me that's the [TS]

00:42:40   parallel ism with Ned Stark exactly what [TS]

00:42:42   other Lane cut says I'll do it whereas [TS]

00:42:44   bianca i guess i could do it and then he [TS]

00:42:47   can't do it and he hacks he goes through [TS]

00:42:50   with it and that's and that's a [TS]

00:42:52   different sort master right that's the [TS]

00:42:54   guy who taught him how to find [TS]

00:42:56   everything he was kind of a jerk but [TS]

00:42:58   still [TS]

00:42:59   yeah and he ended up i do love that [TS]

00:43:01   lasts in the last episode which one [TS]

00:43:03   another had seen with the horn the guy [TS]

00:43:06   who keeps playing the horn Outside the [TS]

00:43:08   Walls i'm already kill that guy with [TS]

00:43:10   this beautiful water give this big [TS]

00:43:11   speech then punk and then they just [TS]

00:43:13   bought him on the head that it's a great [TS]

00:43:14   scene and killed and kill the poor old [TS]

00:43:16   man [TS]

00:43:17   yeah yeah the Meister becomes your hand [TS]

00:43:19   is one bad judgment it was to run out [TS]

00:43:21   and say what's going on here just stay [TS]

00:43:22   in the room you find it yeah what's [TS]

00:43:24   going on all were poking people very [TS]

00:43:28   equipped for that game sorry I did he [TS]

00:43:31   not do not know where he lives [TS]

00:43:34   it was a bad choice everybody's going to [TS]

00:43:35   see what everybody nice guys John he was [TS]

00:43:38   so wise and he was so good like a [TS]

00:43:39   no-kill killing the Ravens and sending [TS]

00:43:41   the message before like I had it all [TS]

00:43:43   together and well I serve Winterfell and [TS]

00:43:46   bought the end [TS]

00:43:47   that one bad decision at the end what's [TS]

00:43:48   going on here well they probably just [TS]

00:43:51   would've burned him down then I seem [TS]

00:43:52   like they were just added there I [TS]

00:43:53   wouldn't know that the hope they come [TS]

00:43:55   out remember yet i did it is alternately [TS]

00:43:56   somebody could've got out here with all [TS]

00:43:58   the ghosts are you know good hitting [TS]

00:44:00   down in the down in the bottom line with [TS]

00:44:02   the kids ramp in the crypts and the [TS]

00:44:04   Crips eat meat so so uh let's talk about [TS]

00:44:09   will move across the Narrow Sea and talk [TS]

00:44:12   to do you know it's not true that [TS]

00:44:15   overall in sync this time because we're [TS]

00:44:17   all heels we're all here we don't have [TS]

00:44:18   skype as an excuse to get ya muzik as we [TS]

00:44:22   as we fly it yes we're moving across the [TS]

00:44:24   Narrow Sea and to Daenerys Targaryen who [TS]

00:44:27   is lost out in the in the desert because [TS]

00:44:30   she was abandoned by the remnants of [TS]

00:44:33   cultural goes army at the end of the [TS]

00:44:34   first season but she has baby dragons so [TS]

00:44:37   this season we got to see her first we [TS]

00:44:39   see a few episodes where they're kind of [TS]

00:44:41   venturing out trying to find somewhere [TS]

00:44:42   to go and its really desperate and she's [TS]

00:44:44   trying to hold them together which is [TS]

00:44:45   interesting and then they find the city [TS]

00:44:47   of cars and they go there negotiate [TS]

00:44:50   negotiate worth that core cars cars cars [TS]

00:44:53   and the gates both think yeah haha so [TS]

00:44:56   mad at paneras for pronouncing it [TS]

00:44:58   quarter when she had never seen it [TS]

00:45:00   written down that was set to stupid lock [TS]

00:45:02   well I mean think about she's been [TS]

00:45:05   speaking you know when I don't even she [TS]

00:45:09   learned about the great cities of yeah [TS]

00:45:11   I'm gonna call incident angles Carl [TS]

00:45:13   Drogo from now on area you know Carl [TS]

00:45:15   Drogo carbon- Chicago that I know him [TS]

00:45:20   he's a nice guy he's a good guy he fell [TS]

00:45:22   off his horse that was everyone's yeah [TS]

00:45:24   whatever you say clearly see the existed [TS]

00:45:27   the existence of a city like cars like [TS]

00:45:29   coming out of you know in the TV series [TS]

00:45:30   like oh here's this world that we're [TS]

00:45:32   concerned about it like what like this [TS]

00:45:33   whole thriving economy and this other [TS]

00:45:35   big giant entity that's over there and [TS]

00:45:37   like the only one [TS]

00:45:38   why don't we why don't we don't care [TS]

00:45:39   about those people like that the shows [TS]

00:45:41   for so provincial who cares who owned [TS]

00:45:43   the gallons the Seven Kingdoms that was [TS]

00:45:45   awesome City well just like twenty seven [TS]

00:45:46   kingdoms left it isn't that the one [TS]

00:45:48   that's I think that's part of the idea [TS]

00:45:49   right as it turns out that that that [TS]

00:45:51   this whole story were telling us in this [TS]

00:45:52   backwater that's like the it's it's like [TS]

00:45:55   not the part of the [TS]

00:45:56   general that's cool i can't get a handle [TS]

00:45:58   on how big this the planet is I'm he's [TS]

00:46:01   looking at opening scene I i know but [TS]

00:46:03   like like it was an amazing is it on the [TS]

00:46:05   map it's the kind of candy that is like [TS]

00:46:06   winterfeldt the King's Landing is that [TS]

00:46:08   like that like you know the top and [TS]

00:46:09   bottom of England or not like a tangent [TS]

00:46:11   of the murder of Africa like no I think [TS]

00:46:14   it's like Europe I think I think [TS]

00:46:15   Westeros is meant to be kind of like the [TS]

00:46:17   size of Europe Western PA you know you [TS]

00:46:19   get my king landing is kind of like you [TS]

00:46:21   know England but then you have stuff [TS]

00:46:23   that goes below it can you also have [TS]

00:46:25   stuff that goes but yea above it and [TS]

00:46:27   apply and wait I've got like you know [TS]

00:46:29   Winterfell is coming they're kind of [TS]

00:46:30   scholarship wasn't there was like you [TS]

00:46:33   can tell from my theories you can tell [TS]

00:46:36   from how long it takes to go from place [TS]

00:46:38   to place how big the map is so Roz went [TS]

00:46:42   from Winterfell to King's Landing in one [TS]

00:46:44   episode at the beginning of the season [TS]

00:46:45   and Peter Littlefinger kind of jaded all [TS]

00:46:50   around the place [TS]

00:46:51   ignoring the fact that there was a war [TS]

00:46:53   going on in the middle of season two so [TS]

00:46:55   I feel like it can't be that big little [TS]

00:46:57   finger has a private jet is a balloon [TS]

00:46:59   nice it's gonna be what seems it's [TS]

00:47:02   supposed to be a couple days ride from [TS]

00:47:04   King's Landing to Winterfell because [TS]

00:47:06   they were a little longer than that but [TS]

00:47:08   Moving's right yeah yeah well on the [TS]

00:47:09   kingsroad it's not supposed to take them [TS]

00:47:11   that long because Aria when ru is [TS]

00:47:13   traveling with the you know Nights Watch [TS]

00:47:15   to be group they're supposed to only be [TS]

00:47:17   on the roof or maybe it's maybe it's [TS]

00:47:19   kind of the size of England if you [TS]

00:47:21   measure from King's Landing two together [TS]

00:47:22   at the wall yeah but then there's a vast [TS]

00:47:25   sort of like an avian kind you get my [TS]

00:47:27   going north and then you get like Dorne [TS]

00:47:29   and stuff underneath which we have to [TS]

00:47:30   place anymore [TS]

00:47:31   that's like Spain kind of attitude of [TS]

00:47:32   hot but the point is like going into [TS]

00:47:34   Egypt to the point is it like for all we [TS]

00:47:36   know what there's an equivalent of north [TS]

00:47:38   america south america and australia that [TS]

00:47:40   are like so far off these guys right [TS]

00:47:42   over there it's hard to judge to based [TS]

00:47:44   on like you know I definitely feel like [TS]

00:47:46   that in this season where it's you know [TS]

00:47:47   you'll see someone disappear and then [TS]

00:47:49   like next episode will show up like [TS]

00:47:50   halfway across the country like how a [TS]

00:47:52   how long has gone by visual inspection [TS]

00:47:54   system president but my impression at [TS]

00:47:56   least the way I always viewed it was [TS]

00:47:58   that that Westeros is in some ways like [TS]

00:48:00   North America in the sense that it's [TS]

00:48:02   like it's more recently settled and it's [TS]

00:48:05   kind of a backwater and and then there [TS]

00:48:07   and then there's the the main [TS]

00:48:10   the all the cities on the main continent [TS]

00:48:11   which is where the remains of ancient [TS]

00:48:13   Valyria are and then there's like [TS]

00:48:16   islands and some stuff to the south [TS]

00:48:17   where it's just too hot in there be [TS]

00:48:18   dragons there or not dragons monsters or [TS]

00:48:21   something or whatever so so but i love [TS]

00:48:24   that is not right that you go and you [TS]

00:48:25   see the city of cars and you're like [TS]

00:48:27   wait a second [TS]

00:48:27   they've got like money and riches and [TS]

00:48:29   magical internal combustion engines I [TS]

00:48:32   don't know what they got airplanes fly [TS]

00:48:34   safe that work a little magic things [TS]

00:48:37   that go in them [TS]

00:48:38   yeah generis wants to go across this [TS]

00:48:40   yeah she wants the concrete application [TS]

00:48:41   of concord cars are you where you need [TS]

00:48:43   to go patient mean it was seriously [TS]

00:48:45   finger doesn't matter an indoor plumbing [TS]

00:48:48   their warlocks all the Warlord's you get [TS]

00:48:51   into place with the Warlocks guy was [TS]

00:48:53   creepy that was that was a good job with [TS]

00:48:55   him I had no no I have no memory of [TS]

00:48:57   genera storyline from the book of that [TS]

00:48:59   is what they changed it i believe pretty [TS]

00:49:01   much as you read this recently so you [TS]

00:49:03   can back me up and I feel like they [TS]

00:49:04   changed that pretty dress yeah well [TS]

00:49:05   there was no dragon kid yeah that didn't [TS]

00:49:07   happen [TS]

00:49:08   no but I mean in general it's so unusual [TS]

00:49:10   and she wanders around for a long time [TS]

00:49:12   Marty in the books has three different [TS]

00:49:15   ruling groups that all battle one of [TS]

00:49:19   them's the 13 and the show I think [TS]

00:49:20   wisely just cut everybody out with a 13 [TS]

00:49:23   and then killed 12 of the 13 movies [TS]

00:49:26   about to know those guys either Canaris [TS]

00:49:29   is a lot more rambling and boring and [TS]

00:49:31   cars in the book in my know there's [TS]

00:49:34   there's a lot of time with her sort of [TS]

00:49:36   wandering around trying to figure out [TS]

00:49:37   like how do i get the money to you know [TS]

00:49:40   go back to where I want to go and have [TS]

00:49:42   anything make good stories someone [TS]

00:49:43   struggling with money problems right to [TS]

00:49:46   vote good and it iron to see [TS]

00:49:48   impoverished when you're quite when [TS]

00:49:50   you're trying to take over the yeah I [TS]

00:49:52   thought the narratives a little bit [TS]

00:49:54   whiny the season like i like i like to [TS]

00:49:56   arise from you know the from being you [TS]

00:50:00   know when the property always figuring [TS]

00:50:02   it out and now she just kind of got a [TS]

00:50:04   little bit cranky and like what I [TS]

00:50:05   mcqueen and no mother of dragons listen [TS]

00:50:08   I die all my people got killed and I'm [TS]

00:50:10   not a very good Queen I guess right well [TS]

00:50:13   i mean i think and i think they set up [TS]

00:50:15   nicely for just sort of that towards the [TS]

00:50:17   end of this season it's sort of figuring [TS]

00:50:19   out how she like who she needs to be and [TS]

00:50:22   what she can do [TS]

00:50:23   I'm to say all right now she's sort of [TS]

00:50:25   acquired some of that confidence with [TS]

00:50:27   all right I can take care of myself I [TS]

00:50:29   know more or less i think he was loyal [TS]

00:50:31   to me and I'm going to take that and use [TS]

00:50:35   it as sort of my jumping off point is [TS]

00:50:37   that what about my magical what you have [TS]

00:50:39   magic [TS]

00:50:39   what are you waiting so long to pull out [TS]

00:50:41   the magic why didn't you all I got to do [TS]

00:50:43   with these guys tell me I got a big this [TS]

00:50:44   guy for money but apparently she could [TS]

00:50:46   just go in there and say haha magic I'm [TS]

00:50:48   impervious to fire my dragons obey my [TS]

00:50:50   command and all that you like you could [TS]

00:50:52   have done that at the beginning of the [TS]

00:50:53   season they let me in our i'll make my [TS]

00:50:55   tiny little dragons melt your city [TS]

00:50:56   little slowly slowly very slowly you get [TS]

00:50:59   a 5 make it apparently I'm invulnerable [TS]

00:51:00   multi multiple fire fire because the [TS]

00:51:03   American ideal battle plans just be the [TS]

00:51:06   hole up somewhere [TS]

00:51:07   wait 20 years until she has giant killer [TS]

00:51:10   dragons and it fly over the narrow now [TS]

00:51:12   should burn is just very with her she's [TS]

00:51:14   very impatient yeah she's very beautiful [TS]

00:51:17   as her brother's yeah spoke to him she [TS]

00:51:21   and Jeffrey should get together with a [TS]

00:51:23   conversation that would be sure and you [TS]

00:51:25   know how we did it like you would roast [TS]

00:51:27   haha that would be no it's hard because [TS]

00:51:30   I don't know you guys and maybe we [TS]

00:51:32   talked about this a little bit in summer [TS]

00:51:33   podcast the deal with the books I feel [TS]

00:51:35   like a lot of people argue to me that [TS]

00:51:36   she's sort of the sympathetic character [TS]

00:51:38   and I maybe it's because I find her as [TS]

00:51:41   with John you know of it rambly and a [TS]

00:51:44   lot of points but I've never felt that I [TS]

00:51:46   don't know maybe it's because i find [TS]

00:51:47   that storyline much more boring than [TS]

00:51:49   what's going on and i think it's [TS]

00:51:51   interesting as a threat to the other [TS]

00:51:52   people but her motivation for why do I [TS]

00:51:55   want to take over the world always liked [TS]

00:51:56   but because it's mine and I deserve it [TS]

00:51:58   because I'm you know like when you would [TS]

00:52:01   think that would fade like I liked hurt [TS]

00:52:03   thing for my call you're being given to [TS]

00:52:04   this guy is a possession but you realize [TS]

00:52:06   you come into your own and she falls in [TS]

00:52:07   love with him and it's strange brutal [TS]

00:52:09   world you live in but then like that [TS]

00:52:10   she's stuck on like I have to go back [TS]

00:52:12   and rule to get yy-you truly kingdoms or [TS]

00:52:14   any don't know i don't think it was in [TS]

00:52:17   terms of her saying oh no I have to be [TS]

00:52:19   you know I have to go back to the place [TS]

00:52:21   that it's my birthright blah blah i [TS]

00:52:23   think that she is basically made a life [TS]

00:52:25   for herself with Khal Drogo of a weird [TS]

00:52:27   sort of life no life and yeah but when [TS]

00:52:31   he died it's basically it threw her into [TS]

00:52:33   a tailspin [TS]

00:52:34   it's kind of well that's all i gotta [TS]

00:52:36   hold onto yeah it's basically you know [TS]

00:52:38   that that's my birthright and I have [TS]

00:52:40   these dragons and clearly you know the [TS]

00:52:42   dragons were given to me as a wedding [TS]

00:52:44   present [TS]

00:52:45   therefore I must head what gets me is [TS]

00:52:48   that from the perspective of everybody [TS]

00:52:49   else that we meet back in Westeros we [TS]

00:52:51   keep getting told that the Targaryen [TS]

00:52:53   were freaking crazy man [TS]

00:52:55   yes it's like I don't know I feel like [TS]

00:52:57   that's kind of born out by you know the [TS]

00:52:59   papa how many Targaryen have we known [TS]

00:53:01   and they're both about a little bit with [TS]

00:53:03   a little bit of you [TS]

00:53:04   yeah yeah so it's hard for me to find [TS]

00:53:06   her sympathetic mostly gonna get the [TS]

00:53:07   most sympathetic characters Carl girl i [TS]

00:53:11   like them he was so like I like that [TS]

00:53:13   actor listen to me that my sire at the [TS]

00:53:15   end I yeah great revisit yet I didn't [TS]

00:53:18   want to miss him until that why he yes [TS]

00:53:19   he purchases and rapes his bride but as [TS]

00:53:21   far as as far as the the tribes go [TS]

00:53:24   this is one of the gentler yeah yeah [TS]

00:53:26   we'd just have to defend horse people [TS]

00:53:28   and their ways [TS]

00:53:30   I felt like as always and movie wasn't [TS]

00:53:31   so good i was really glad to see he at [TS]

00:53:33   least got to come back for a brief [TS]

00:53:35   paycheck for this show yeah yeah I was [TS]

00:53:37   gonna say never let him speak English [TS]

00:53:39   them know well of course not over that I [TS]

00:53:42   want some more interesting character to [TS]

00:53:43   me is that someone who like is in a [TS]

00:53:44   relationship with this barbarian with [TS]

00:53:46   his whore barbarian but then like he was [TS]

00:53:49   it she falls in love with him she comes [TS]

00:53:51   to terms with the fact that she that she [TS]

00:53:53   is the bride of this crazy bar rapist [TS]

00:53:55   barbarian and she decides I'm going to [TS]

00:53:58   make the most of this by becoming the [TS]

00:54:01   good bride to the crazy rapist barbarian [TS]

00:54:03   it kinda and then that all falls apart [TS]

00:54:04   like the russian-made softens him to [TS]

00:54:07   which is interesting right because you [TS]

00:54:09   start to come around to him a little bit [TS]

00:54:10   that first scene with him is very is [TS]

00:54:12   very hard to like think how would I ever [TS]

00:54:14   sympathize with no accent which is which [TS]

00:54:16   is one of the strengths of this series [TS]

00:54:17   in general there are a number of [TS]

00:54:19   characters that we are presented with [TS]

00:54:20   it's like how could i ever sympathize [TS]

00:54:23   with this person and yet as you go along [TS]

00:54:25   you start to figure out [TS]

00:54:27   yeah they're not just ate they're not [TS]

00:54:28   just a cookie cutter right they all have [TS]

00:54:30   reasons for the terrible things that [TS]

00:54:31   they do right well Jamie and seriously [TS]

00:54:33   friends you have a separate Joffrey but [TS]

00:54:34   Jamie and seriously both yelling got to [TS]

00:54:36   Jamie have trouble sympathizing with [TS]

00:54:39   Jimmy wait right wait for you [TS]

00:54:41   you will be shocked as I definitely can [TS]

00:54:43   we get a brief glimpse of of the Jaime [TS]

00:54:46   and Brienne the maid of Tarth great [TS]

00:54:48   character bri endless as an actor that [TS]

00:54:50   actress was so good to Association [TS]

00:54:52   played that perfectly that is she is [TS]

00:54:54   that woman she is that character she [TS]

00:54:56   really likes a girl that like CGI think [TS]

00:54:58   I do a little bit of perspective but she [TS]

00:55:00   is pretty tall [TS]

00:55:01   yeah that was great to get second kids [TS]

00:55:04   over 60 and she's well over they cast a [TS]

00:55:06   giant lady [TS]

00:55:07   yeah well shoot she is suitably giant [TS]

00:55:09   and also very good at and we can we get [TS]

00:55:11   her you know we see her and and and [TS]

00:55:15   Ned's uh mrs. mrs. Ned yeah but I are [TS]

00:55:21   there catlin while the weld a well [TS]

00:55:22   there's the horrible shadow murder and [TS]

00:55:24   it and they're like you did this and I'm [TS]

00:55:26   like oh so we gotta start right that's [TS]

00:55:28   why I don't know what happened I don't [TS]

00:55:30   know what happens is Brienne but I feel [TS]

00:55:32   like she is done it's an HBO show I [TS]

00:55:34   could swear she's lined up to be the [TS]

00:55:37   next you know Ned Stark because she's [TS]

00:55:41   the one person who we see in most of the [TS]

00:55:42   things was like honor loyalty obeying my [TS]

00:55:45   master doing my duty and I think that's [TS]

00:55:47   what her old their thing is tied up and [TS]

00:55:49   she's crushed when the person she was [TS]

00:55:50   pledged to dies and she immediately [TS]

00:55:51   pledges just like Don Draper immediately [TS]

00:55:54   getting remarried [TS]

00:55:55   I'm gonna find the next nearest person [TS]

00:55:56   and you know I i will pledge my [TS]

00:55:59   allegiance to you because that's our [TS]

00:56:00   whole thing is like loyalty and i will [TS]

00:56:01   serve and then she's happy again out now [TS]

00:56:03   I have someone to serve just like Ned [TS]

00:56:05   like well I'm you know I have to if the [TS]

00:56:07   King says I have to go I'm pledge to [TS]

00:56:08   serve the King therefore i go it's my [TS]

00:56:09   duty my head is chopped off so I don't [TS]

00:56:12   like a beast [TS]

00:56:13   yeah duty doesn't work out so right and [TS]

00:56:16   i like to change the only president who [TS]

00:56:18   feels a duty I get half these people who [TS]

00:56:20   like you you swore to his banner I'll [TS]

00:56:22   have to have that I do that I hate that [TS]

00:56:23   like no one's going to do t equal and [TS]

00:56:25   that last seen with her and Jamie where [TS]

00:56:27   she's basically forced to kill those you [TS]

00:56:30   know the stark people right who are more [TS]

00:56:33   letters or side yeah why don't you just [TS]

00:56:36   run all bodyguard yeah and she's she's [TS]

00:56:38   she is a fascinating character and I [TS]

00:56:40   think they do some really great things [TS]

00:56:41   with her and I look forward to seeing [TS]

00:56:42   that borne out in the show [TS]

00:56:44   yeah we should talk about before we talk [TS]

00:56:46   about the Blackwater a little bit i [TS]

00:56:48   wanted to do at least touch on area who [TS]

00:56:50   has her her she ends up at Harrenhal [TS]

00:56:53   with with Tywin Lannister as her as his [TS]

00:56:56   cupbearer and there's some interesting [TS]

00:56:57   and that that's all invented for the TV [TS]

00:57:00   series and it's great because we're [TS]

00:57:02   getting really interesting characters [TS]

00:57:04   interesting stuff and J&J Quinn Hegar [TS]

00:57:07   was one of my favorites when when I [TS]

00:57:09   really really enjoyed every time i watch [TS]

00:57:11   this I was watching [TS]

00:57:12   I've been watching the show this season [TS]

00:57:13   with several friends and we we kept from [TS]

00:57:16   remarking how at the you know we all [TS]

00:57:19   root for aria right because everybody [TS]

00:57:20   loves aria [TS]

00:57:21   but the scenes where she figures out [TS]

00:57:23   about like the killing people and [TS]

00:57:24   everything and she's we're all like [TS]

00:57:26   wrong yeah sweet she's going all your [TS]

00:57:28   hours every day and then we will join [TS]

00:57:30   the realize and like someone one of my [TS]

00:57:32   friends watermark if that was a little [TS]

00:57:34   boy we'd all be like that kid is a [TS]

00:57:36   psychopath and why did a little bit of [TS]

00:57:40   people that guy a skill that guy who [TS]

00:57:42   found that I had stolen yeah one of the [TS]

00:57:45   best comics it has the entire season no [TS]

00:57:47   because you're on the edge of your seat [TS]

00:57:49   everything from her finger and just take [TS]

00:57:51   one of the greatest pratfalls I've ever [TS]

00:57:53   seen dies as he enters the room you have [TS]

00:57:56   to kill him now after all this is this [TS]

00:57:58   is a manufacturer that makes me feel [TS]

00:57:59   better about the books because like [TS]

00:58:00   she's there with Tywin and you know she [TS]

00:58:04   still blames him for killing her father [TS]

00:58:05   but y'all sit like she never liked it [TS]

00:58:08   looks at the plans [TS]

00:58:09   she looks at the knife she look like [TS]

00:58:11   she's I guess it's too much to ask of a [TS]

00:58:13   little girl but she's not very competent [TS]

00:58:15   in terms of like you had so many chances [TS]

00:58:16   to kill him [TS]

00:58:17   you're like we knew that you could have [TS]

00:58:19   named him you could have killed yourself [TS]

00:58:20   you're going to poison him you could [TS]

00:58:21   have done so many shooting and she's a [TS]

00:58:23   kid and he does nothing but she was [TS]

00:58:25   smart to a certain extent in knowing [TS]

00:58:27   that there is a lot more value to be [TS]

00:58:29   gained by but if she was a little boy [TS]

00:58:31   she would have killed she would have [TS]

00:58:32   killed time without really like she [TS]

00:58:34   would've been so caught up with revenge [TS]

00:58:35   motive right and then she would have [TS]

00:58:37   gotten immediately murdered yeah and she [TS]

00:58:39   would have been that's fine i'm rob [TS]

00:58:40   avenging my father but like time isn't [TS]

00:58:42   really the person who actually ja [TS]

00:58:44   freelance writer she blames the whole [TS]

00:58:46   canisters but kill Joffrey kill Joffrey [TS]

00:58:51   but she doesn't do that i love you my [TS]

00:58:53   love [TS]

00:58:53   listing names of people she wanted to [TS]

00:58:55   kill ya time it was not elicit a free [TS]

00:58:58   was and that she didn't list any of [TS]

00:59:00   those named ass just right when she had [TS]

00:59:03   a chance tonight so get back to talking [TS]

00:59:04   about just got the torturing guy [TS]

00:59:06   feelings that are guys like I would just [TS]

00:59:08   experience that it was horrible i really [TS]

00:59:10   needs to go the right guy right you know [TS]

00:59:12   who one of the people on her list is [TS]

00:59:13   that sounds like nothing right it you [TS]

00:59:16   damn right it was alright [TS]

00:59:18   browse really know I'm really i love the [TS]

00:59:20   relationship with her and jacket Hegar [TS]

00:59:22   who is this i might not remember him [TS]

00:59:26   talking just really don't know he's [TS]

00:59:29   increase from bravo's rights like Syria [TS]

00:59:31   10 has this very stylized man man [TS]

00:59:35   doesn't talk about when does not appear [TS]

00:59:37   on his way girl does not ask him and [TS]

00:59:38   through that [TS]

00:59:39   yeah I'd love to be such a great [TS]

00:59:41   character although I was little I wanted [TS]

00:59:43   to see the the the end shot of him done [TS]

00:59:45   I kept looking forward to it because I [TS]

00:59:47   knew it was coming in the book I had [TS]

00:59:48   always pictured it as just him going and [TS]

00:59:50   it can be great on the podcast be just [TS]

00:59:52   sort of runs his hand open tennis and [TS]

00:59:54   then changed his new jersey jazz hands [TS]

00:59:56   yeah but that they didn't handle that [TS]

00:59:59   pretty well where he turned [TS]

00:59:59   pretty well where he turned [TS]

01:00:00   the way interns right back into the [TS]

01:00:01   seamless and yet it's a failed once but [TS]

01:00:03   I don't want that habit i like the first [TS]

01:00:04   act their voice I like oh absolutely [TS]

01:00:06   yeah that second actor like I haven't [TS]

01:00:08   met him yet but the first actor i [TS]

01:00:10   thought was great with the long flowing [TS]

01:00:11   hair and I don't think you added the [TS]

01:00:13   second guy he's not like Doctor Who I [TS]

01:00:15   don't think he's actually regenerating [TS]

01:00:16   into that guy he's just been just [TS]

01:00:18   traveling face it takes faces all right [TS]

01:00:20   like the only this character comes back [TS]

01:00:22   we'll bring the same actor back [TS]

01:00:23   well I don't want to spoil anything [TS]

01:00:25   right now but i'll write it would be [TS]

01:00:26   nice little because that was a good [TS]

01:00:27   actor but the whole and basically we now [TS]

01:00:29   we have opened up this world for aria [TS]

01:00:31   right where she realizes finally a [TS]

01:00:33   google i want to you know this is [TS]

01:00:35   something that is going to get me [TS]

01:00:36   someone who gives her the little coin so [TS]

01:00:38   you don't give they don't do that if [TS]

01:00:39   they're not going to bring back because [TS]

01:00:40   in this this this plotline I'm goulais [TS]

01:00:42   on that coin will be used in later [TS]

01:00:44   seasons I have a strange feeling yeah it [TS]

01:00:46   might it might come up you know what I [TS]

01:00:48   love ang again is one of the other [TS]

01:00:50   characters in the book who just it's [TS]

01:00:52   strangely enough despite being like [TS]

01:00:54   essentially murderous yeah she's [TS]

01:00:57   everything my favorite character rating [TS]

01:00:59   there Alex and she's spunky and funny [TS]

01:01:02   and smart and me and speaking of all [TS]

01:01:04   those things the actress who is just [TS]

01:01:06   fantastic [TS]

01:01:07   I thought all those scenes with her in [TS]

01:01:08   Thailand where she just like looks them [TS]

01:01:10   down and they have this sort of weird [TS]

01:01:13   like mutual respect going on and she's [TS]

01:01:15   constantly lying to him but he knows [TS]

01:01:17   that she's lying to him but doesn't [TS]

01:01:19   really realize the extent but [TS]

01:01:21   occasionally put her in her place right [TS]

01:01:23   little stern word here there to show [TS]

01:01:25   where the boundaries are but it's a easy [TS]

01:01:26   easy Williams John she's a fantastic and [TS]

01:01:30   I I think she has a long hopefully a [TS]

01:01:32   long career and I saw a video of her [TS]

01:01:33   doing the cinnamon challenge recently [TS]

01:01:35   and kind of character for me [TS]

01:01:38   hey this is terrible I didn't tent and [TS]

01:01:41   she was like it was like a bunch of our [TS]

01:01:42   friends like a suburb in england right [TS]

01:01:44   although they all speak with that accent [TS]

01:01:46   so I guess you just a teenage girl [TS]

01:01:48   that's not what are you would do she's [TS]

01:01:49   much more dignified sorry we're not take [TS]

01:01:51   the cinnamon challenge I've never heard [TS]

01:01:55   of the cinnamon challenge [TS]

01:01:56   well you better ask your kids yeah they [TS]

01:01:58   don't want to do it right that I did we [TS]

01:02:02   had we had a taco bell hot sauce eating [TS]

01:02:04   contest haha it's kind of like it's [TS]

01:02:06   kinda like well basically it's did you [TS]

01:02:08   know what is it like like a half [TS]

01:02:09   teaspoon of cinnamon [TS]

01:02:10   yeah but you can't do very dangerous [TS]

01:02:12   don't [TS]

01:02:13   and do what can you what I'm doing kids [TS]

01:02:15   but you can't you will cough it up [TS]

01:02:18   essentially because it can be done on [TS]

01:02:20   Mythbusters they did [TS]

01:02:20   yeah it's just it's really hard to do [TS]

01:02:22   because it's all dry and everything I [TS]

01:02:24   know it doesn't like you can't like [TS]

01:02:25   swallowing like a like a trauma and it's [TS]

01:02:27   very dangerous to inhale that's right [TS]

01:02:28   because it's in the lung just about that [TS]

01:02:32   and you also just want to swallow [TS]

01:02:33   because it's also probably choking [TS]

01:02:34   hazard this [TS]

01:02:36   wow so pro tip don't take this should [TS]

01:02:38   totally take the cinnamon challenge was [TS]

01:02:40   nothing dads are entitled to all the [TS]

01:02:42   internet Jason that you can learn about [TS]

01:02:44   all sorts like this funny pictures of [TS]

01:02:45   cats also well i got I've got I've got [TS]

01:02:47   it up with my ipad and also jason Mentos [TS]

01:02:50   and Diet Coke and a populist right pop [TS]

01:02:52   rocks and soda killed my and it's not [TS]

01:02:55   not true so many things you might not [TS]

01:02:56   know about not having access to the [TS]

01:02:58   Internet yeah its true like you like all [TS]

01:03:01   the people in Westeros mm let's talk [TS]

01:03:04   about the black water which is the 9th [TS]

01:03:06   episode which was written by george RR [TS]

01:03:08   martin it's the it's the it's the [TS]

01:03:10   blockbuster budget episode yet we're [TS]

01:03:12   going to old have anything yeah a great [TS]

01:03:15   episode formats excellent focus on that [TS]

01:03:18   and all the different players the the [TS]

01:03:21   boats are coming there's those kind of [TS]

01:03:23   dark scenes of the boats out there in [TS]

01:03:25   the distance I where they got one today [TS]

01:03:27   doing what is the guy with the beard [TS]

01:03:28   named standard rate amo stops we were [TS]

01:03:30   dark eyes always seen his stock as about [TS]

01:03:33   he's got a son is like all right dad I'm [TS]

01:03:35   gonna go in there boom yeah and I idea [TS]

01:03:38   that's just that the seven ice creepy [TS]

01:03:40   mobile where they come on that one vote [TS]

01:03:41   it's like who's on that boat is there [TS]

01:03:42   anybody what's what's going on there and [TS]

01:03:44   soldiers once you see an MCN and you're [TS]

01:03:47   like drama yeah seriously it's like [TS]

01:03:51   physically here let's think about it [TS]

01:03:52   tomorrow will scratch your heads no [TS]

01:03:54   reverse reverse that but it's hard to do [TS]

01:03:58   right for water didn't help the Titanic [TS]

01:04:00   either i guess my name [TS]

01:04:01   well george RR martin wrote that episode [TS]

01:04:03   do which you can definitely tell because [TS]

01:04:06   the dialogue gains a slightly more not [TS]

01:04:09   necessarily froofy feel to it but [TS]

01:04:12   there's definitely there's less cursing [TS]

01:04:14   and more interesting derivatives and [TS]

01:04:18   keeps coming back between the action on [TS]

01:04:20   the surface and then down to keep where [TS]

01:04:22   C and and the women are and Cersei is [TS]

01:04:26   increasingly awful and drunk you do not [TS]

01:04:29   want to be in her word RNA and a strong [TS]

01:04:31   out there are bomb shelter shelter have [TS]

01:04:33   any kind really because she has pointy [TS]

01:04:35   objects and she'll kill you and she [TS]

01:04:37   almost gets gets serious girlfriend too [TS]

01:04:41   she starts to take it to her apartment [TS]

01:04:43   there's a yeah there's a distraction [TS]

01:04:45   saved by the bell and and so she said [TS]

01:04:47   she had been hard to tell her derision [TS]

01:04:49   at the rest of the ladies you know [TS]

01:04:51   they're praying and singing and she's [TS]

01:04:53   like oh yeah i could have bought but is [TS]

01:04:56   she the only one there who knows that [TS]

01:04:58   big grumpy guys there to kill them [TS]

01:05:00   yeah that's a big down or if you if [TS]

01:05:01   you're the only one here i'm gonna show [TS]

01:05:03   you a big frowny face guy he's gonna [TS]

01:05:04   kill me if anything goes wrong so I [TS]

01:05:07   assumed she has the metal like [TS]

01:05:09   breastplate [TS]

01:05:10   yeah I assumed she had given she had [TS]

01:05:11   given that order yeah because who else [TS]

01:05:14   would have [TS]

01:05:14   Joffrey wasn't gonna do it no I assume [TS]

01:05:17   that Tyrion was my sushi knew she knew [TS]

01:05:19   that they could not because she's like [TS]

01:05:20   it's so sad that she accepts that like [TS]

01:05:22   she started this powerful one and has [TS]

01:05:24   her own schemes cheeks so accepts the [TS]

01:05:26   place of a woman in her world that she's [TS]

01:05:28   just like well you know i'm absolutely [TS]

01:05:30   attack comes she leaves that room [TS]

01:05:32   immediately I'm gonna call the nameless [TS]

01:05:34   idiot women making killed by but she [TS]

01:05:36   goes down to the throne room it's like I [TS]

01:05:38   got some poison yeah well she didn't ask [TS]

01:05:40   your way out [TS]

01:05:41   she's gonna she's gonna kill Holman [TS]

01:05:44   right there was only I mean that that [TS]

01:05:47   would seem kind of expression was doing [TS]

01:05:49   in a loving way though [TS]

01:05:50   yeah well actually no order that is the [TS]

01:05:53   one of the few scenes where Cersei [TS]

01:05:55   actually seems like a a regular old mom [TS]

01:05:58   was like yes baby I'm not your mom [TS]

01:06:00   always written a poisoned you i'm gonna [TS]

01:06:03   protect you before the crazy you know [TS]

01:06:05   Stannis for your story about ordering [TS]

01:06:08   you make that story about the Mayan evil [TS]

01:06:11   stagnates tags and people yesterday [TS]

01:06:13   off ya adjacent as the other a child of [TS]

01:06:17   the 80s who has kids right now can [TS]

01:06:18   probably relate maybe you can't but I [TS]

01:06:20   think you probably can't have you [TS]

01:06:21   thought about if there was a nuclear war [TS]

01:06:23   would you would you kill your kids in a [TS]

01:06:25   in a in a peaceful way that seems [TS]

01:06:28   extreme just that you're you're you're [TS]

01:06:29   not open to pop the possibility that [TS]

01:06:33   that things might actually get brighter [TS]

01:06:36   areas if you're all gonna die radiation [TS]

01:06:37   watch the third Torchwood see children [TS]

01:06:39   met and yet [TS]

01:06:40   children / children over the Torchwood [TS]

01:06:42   season yeah the guy who sort of that the [TS]

01:06:44   wall the flunky right the the civil [TS]

01:06:47   servant guy [TS]

01:06:48   yeah with the two daughters right which [TS]

01:06:50   was a brutal brutal scene in that as [TS]

01:06:51   well I don't know it's I don't know we [TS]

01:06:54   have a son that's not how I relationship [TS]

01:06:55   because if you do if excited everyone [TS]

01:06:58   was born in the 80s had had to consider [TS]

01:07:00   well what would you do it and if the [TS]

01:07:02   world in nuclear holocaust as we all [TS]

01:07:03   know it will from every piece of media [TS]

01:07:05   fed into our brains with certain [TS]

01:07:07   vibration part of yours are like I know [TS]

01:07:09   but I know John Alden but now that we're [TS]

01:07:11   parents like well you know I don't want [TS]

01:07:13   my kids to to suffer that fate so i [TS]

01:07:15   would i would put and so that's what she [TS]

01:07:16   was doing she's like well this is the [TS]

01:07:17   end I don't want my kids to suffer [TS]

01:07:19   horrible deaths are going to tell him [TS]

01:07:20   and I story give him a sip of poison [TS]

01:07:22   will go to sleep that'll be it [TS]

01:07:24   yeah it's real it's a relatable feeling [TS]

01:07:26   and you can debate whether she was [TS]

01:07:28   accurately assessing the gravity of the [TS]

01:07:30   situation obviously she probably wasn't [TS]

01:07:32   you know all I don't know about that i [TS]

01:07:34   mean what standards you're in Game of [TS]

01:07:36   Thrones you eventually have to realize [TS]

01:07:38   this is a horrible world where the worst [TS]

01:07:40   thing happens all the time so I think [TS]

01:07:41   planning for the worst is probably a [TS]

01:07:44   good idea [TS]

01:07:45   well like he was a little boy though he [TS]

01:07:47   would have a fighting chance he wasn't [TS]

01:07:48   gonna be raped to death like any of his [TS]

01:07:50   daughters [TS]

01:07:50   well I think the difference the [TS]

01:07:52   difference is that he was he was our [TS]

01:07:54   inline inline small that's right they're [TS]

01:07:56   getting rid of a bastard china right [TS]

01:07:59   he's an abomination of volume license [TS]

01:08:01   photo she has always inbred kids are [TS]

01:08:03   probably not right in the head anyways [TS]

01:08:04   our Joffrey yeah I'm saying like it like [TS]

01:08:07   the reasons to be a little bit all we [TS]

01:08:09   want to get the idea that he's a little [TS]

01:08:11   well I made it he's just a day it's just [TS]

01:08:13   a little kid weasley ok but we also [TS]

01:08:15   don't have to i think that he's a little [TS]

01:08:16   directly but you're right Jonathan I [TS]

01:08:19   thought that was like well within the [TS]

01:08:20   women down to keep i can understand [TS]

01:08:22   because they're basically saying if they [TS]

01:08:24   come in they're going to rape you and [TS]

01:08:25   there [TS]

01:08:26   going to kill you yeah but with Tom and [TS]

01:08:28   I was like well what we're going to do [TS]

01:08:29   with him and said well no he's he's [TS]

01:08:31   gonna kill Joffrey and they're gonna [TS]

01:08:32   kill Tommy yeah so that the life around [TS]

01:08:34   me i'm going to live because she got [TS]

01:08:36   such a foreign yeah yeah butBut and then [TS]

01:08:39   be there just because that's what they [TS]

01:08:41   did to the Targaryen is right they tried [TS]

01:08:42   to do all the Targaryen and it just rang [TS]

01:08:44   guys Brandi just long missed a couple of [TS]

01:08:46   them [TS]

01:08:47   ya missed it by that minus a couple [TS]

01:08:48   Targaryen there there you know [TS]

01:08:50   Tyrion has actually snuck Tommen out of [TS]

01:08:53   the city and at one point Sansa is being [TS]

01:08:57   beaten and Tyrion tell sir see that [TS]

01:09:00   everything that happens to Sansa any [TS]

01:09:03   beating or any raping he will personally [TS]

01:09:07   do to Tommen thought it was interesting [TS]

01:09:09   they took that out trying to get tearing [TS]

01:09:12   is trying to be more the the feel-good [TS]

01:09:13   sympathetic character in this in the TV [TS]

01:09:15   series anyway so yeah well that would [TS]

01:09:17   that right in the book that he's he's [TS]

01:09:20   he's exerting his control over his [TS]

01:09:23   family in the only ways that he feels [TS]

01:09:24   that we can and his let's be honest [TS]

01:09:27   what's his sister's weak spot his [TS]

01:09:28   sister's weak spot is the love of her [TS]

01:09:30   children and so that would be and where [TS]

01:09:32   they don't want to show show are [TS]

01:09:33   sympathetic Tyrion the TV show maybe I [TS]

01:09:36   it exploiting like basically taking his [TS]

01:09:39   nephew and saying I will do terrible [TS]

01:09:41   things to my nephew if you if you mess [TS]

01:09:44   up this girl [TS]

01:09:45   well and I mean us coincident with that [TS]

01:09:47   plot line we have the the sansa stark [TS]

01:09:49   her camera is blossoming into womanhood [TS]

01:09:54   to put it [TS]

01:09:55   obviously I mean also the whole thing [TS]

01:09:57   and not just that specifically but the [TS]

01:09:59   the whole season right because the first [TS]

01:10:01   season she is pretty much like I'm going [TS]

01:10:03   to be queen [TS]

01:10:04   it's okay three blades yeah and this is [TS]

01:10:07   the season where it's really like oh [TS]

01:10:08   yeah well welcome to real-world later [TS]

01:10:11   like and I think you know we have the [TS]

01:10:13   scene where she is accosted by the mob [TS]

01:10:15   and almost raped [TS]

01:10:16   yeah and murdered and the dog Dave [TS]

01:10:19   around yeah and a great scene with [TS]

01:10:20   really i think with the Hound later [TS]

01:10:22   where we when he quits and come up there [TS]

01:10:24   and says like look I'll take you home my [TS]

01:10:26   wife and I bought that shirt on with [TS]

01:10:27   them [TS]

01:10:27   yeah oh yeah yes yes she should have [TS]

01:10:31   just yeah [TS]

01:10:31   around clearly and then we have that [TS]

01:10:34   scene at the end right where she gets [TS]

01:10:35   thrown over I in a very carefully staged [TS]

01:10:39   yes seen surely i cannot hide marry her [TS]

01:10:44   no but the church says it's okay so well [TS]

01:10:46   that but but what about this yeah no no [TS]

01:10:49   it's okay all right well then done and [TS]

01:10:52   she's so yeah we had a brief moment [TS]

01:10:54   where she's like yeah I married a middle [TS]

01:10:57   finger swoops in and says everything out [TS]

01:10:59   is yeah if you marry me all will be [TS]

01:11:02   grand last in reality it's like just [TS]

01:11:05   because you're free of him you're not [TS]

01:11:06   free of him now enough for you now here [TS]

01:11:09   we now he's your now heat you can be the [TS]

01:11:11   Kings play thing and he doesn't have to [TS]

01:11:12   take good care of you because you know [TS]

01:11:14   his wife right [TS]

01:11:15   I asked not to mention you know little [TS]

01:11:17   finger out of the frying pan into the [TS]

01:11:18   fire because little finger [TS]

01:11:20   I was a friend of your mind i was going [TS]

01:11:23   to be so much and you know tell me my [TS]

01:11:27   candy no yeah it wasn't a good marry [TS]

01:11:29   either [TS]

01:11:30   ok I'm the mayor of Winterfell now or [TS]

01:11:34   what is inherent hot topic I thought it [TS]

01:11:36   was interesting that they had Shady's [TS]

01:11:39   sansas handmade them when Sansa and Shey [TS]

01:11:43   have no connection at all the books it [TS]

01:11:46   was like what they did with thumb Tywin [TS]

01:11:50   and and are you right where they have [TS]

01:11:52   two characters in the same place and the [TS]

01:11:55   show shoves them up together to get some [TS]

01:11:58   really interesting scene after that just [TS]

01:11:59   aren't in the original source material [TS]

01:12:01   and it lets you lets you kind of reduce [TS]

01:12:04   the number of locations you've got and [TS]

01:12:07   increase the use of incidentally I was [TS]

01:12:09   really glad by the way that they finally [TS]

01:12:11   pronounce the change from shy because [TS]

01:12:14   reading that in the book always [TS]

01:12:16   mispronounce it it's got two S's yeah [TS]

01:12:18   looks like si I think of what they did [TS]

01:12:22   with pushing characters together that [TS]

01:12:23   aren't together that is vastly [TS]

01:12:24   preferable to the other thing that you [TS]

01:12:26   do when you're compressing a big book [TS]

01:12:27   into TV which is the grated composite [TS]

01:12:29   carrier you take two or three characters [TS]

01:12:32   that you make them into one she is the [TS]

01:12:34   daughter of bed stark and a prostitute [TS]

01:12:36   rubbish i rose yeah roses every [TS]

01:12:40   prostitute in western boots [TS]

01:12:42   that they like that for the most part [TS]

01:12:44   they do a pretty good job of even in the [TS]

01:12:46   cases where we have these random [TS]

01:12:48   characters who anyone who read the books [TS]

01:12:51   is like oh it's that guy like I thought [TS]

01:12:54   that was nice they had Roose Bolton in a [TS]

01:12:56   couple scenes right we don't but we [TS]

01:12:59   don't see his bastard sometimes be one [TS]

01:13:01   of those characters they're like we're [TS]

01:13:02   gonna cast him next [TS]

01:13:03   right because again he would have been [TS]

01:13:04   too much but you cuz but he is very [TS]

01:13:06   important there the little characters [TS]

01:13:08   that are better in there and then the [TS]

01:13:09   others it's nice when we get hot y-yeah [TS]

01:13:11   papaya and Game three high with Aria are [TS]

01:13:14   also nice her little pals who that go on [TS]

01:13:17   the lam from Harrenhal with I like those [TS]

01:13:20   little collections I mean of characters [TS]

01:13:22   where it's like oh they're out an [TS]

01:13:23   adventure bad things are gonna happen [TS]

01:13:24   waiting for that out of the way that [TS]

01:13:26   fact to die every episode haha he's dead [TS]

01:13:29   me a hot pie [TS]

01:13:30   he's he said me he was gonna die he can [TS]

01:13:32   cook [TS]

01:13:33   okay okay okay okay but you need to cook [TS]

01:13:36   I don't think it's interesting you know [TS]

01:13:38   it's it seems like one of those shows [TS]

01:13:39   where it's like you get to the end it's [TS]

01:13:41   the most improbable characters survive [TS]

01:13:44   right times like this guy is dead [TS]

01:13:47   that guy's dead and then like like [TS]

01:13:48   booked 8 it's like King hot pie [TS]

01:13:51   he's the only one laughing yeah well I [TS]

01:13:54   had a but we find out the game 3 is one [TS]

01:13:56   of the bastard children of robert i like [TS]

01:13:58   is this gonna end with everybody else [TS]

01:14:00   dead kennedys gonna go you know rubbish [TS]

01:14:02   my dad my king [TS]

01:14:03   Andrey universe my daddy and ever and [TS]

01:14:06   ever elsa/getty on you know we've been [TS]

01:14:08   rethinking this whole hereditary [TS]

01:14:09   monarchy thing and we think they may be [TS]

01:14:12   a better way to decide who rules us [TS]

01:14:14   here's out book in book seven they have [TS]

01:14:15   a constitutional command oliver cromwell [TS]

01:14:18   appears from the east and that's the end [TS]

01:14:22   of the Kings too many King like water we [TS]

01:14:24   didn't mention the I do like the [TS]

01:14:25   alchemist fire which I thought they did [TS]

01:14:27   a cool job with the special effect [TS]

01:14:29   meaning they did that mean [TS]

01:14:30   yeah was more it was more complicated [TS]

01:14:31   with the chain and stuff in the book yet [TS]

01:14:34   but in the in the in the they took the [TS]

01:14:36   coolest part and put it in the water [TS]

01:14:38   when it is a nice a moment of an area of [TS]

01:14:40   like six or seven episodes it's a nice [TS]

01:14:42   moment of Tyrion getting like proving [TS]

01:14:44   again once again that he is he's [TS]

01:14:46   actually pretty good at the whole [TS]

01:14:47   strategy and I like the idea that the [TS]

01:14:50   explosion was bigger than anyone thought [TS]

01:14:52   it was good it was kinda like you know [TS]

01:14:53   it's playing with firecrackers like whoa [TS]

01:14:55   tonight it's that classic scene from [TS]

01:14:57   Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid where [TS]

01:14:59   it goes to blow up the train car and [TS]

01:15:01   he's like well that audit and then it [TS]

01:15:02   just blows off the entire car [TS]

01:15:04   yeah yeah anyway over after [TS]

01:15:06   overestimated a little well if you're [TS]

01:15:07   gonna go go big [TS]

01:15:09   yeah and so they went they go home and [TS]

01:15:10   some truly horrific Lee brutal special [TS]

01:15:14   effects in that battle scene where we [TS]

01:15:17   will be my friends and I will be [TS]

01:15:18   watching your kind of chatting and then [TS]

01:15:19   they drop a rock on someone's head [TS]

01:15:20   you're just like oh my god that was oh [TS]

01:15:24   that was true but awesome but yeah yeah [TS]

01:15:27   already cut off some of these legs many [TS]

01:15:29   people in half [TS]

01:15:30   yeah cheering and chop someone's leg I [TS]

01:15:32   like and the hound being afraid of fire [TS]

01:15:34   was good yeah well I mean writers why [TS]

01:15:37   he's beyond oh yeah i know it was good [TS]

01:15:40   at em go you know what [TS]

01:15:41   no no yeah he's big enough he talks a [TS]

01:15:43   good game and they said but he's like [TS]

01:15:45   you better not get that fire anywhere [TS]

01:15:46   near me and the right like I'm out of [TS]

01:15:48   here right when I like the fact that you [TS]

01:15:49   see him I see him by the flames and he's [TS]

01:15:51   all like why the I didn't need your [TS]

01:15:52   insanely connection and you would expect [TS]

01:15:54   him to go but then he overcomes it in [TS]

01:15:56   like he's going about 80 god he's here [TS]

01:15:57   he changes his mind he go [TS]

01:15:59   it's like a princess it's like the [TS]

01:16:00   princess bride yeah girl died i'm out of [TS]

01:16:03   here [TS]

01:16:03   yeah it was and I mean it's that seemed [TS]

01:16:05   it's also it's not overplayed right it's [TS]

01:16:07   either explain you know when I was a [TS]

01:16:10   child I was sure it yeah yeah no I have [TS]

01:16:12   a friend of fun i also like still very [TS]

01:16:14   well-loved the showdown with him and [TS]

01:16:16   brawn where there's yeah oh yeah it's [TS]

01:16:19   like that can be together yeah and if it [TS]

01:16:22   bronzed you know Ron kinda knows like [TS]

01:16:24   this guy's probably tough but i think i [TS]

01:16:26   think i can take him but it's gonna be a [TS]

01:16:28   tough fight and then there's sit [TS]

01:16:30   literally saved by the bell but we [TS]

01:16:33   haven't we gotta let's have a drink [TS]

01:16:34   before we go kill all those guys alright [TS]

01:16:36   although do that droid broad i loved how [TS]

01:16:40   much more there was to him than there is [TS]

01:16:42   in the books where he's just a guy [TS]

01:16:44   standing 90 really want to do is more to [TS]

01:16:46   you yeah great character in the in the [TS]

01:16:48   in the show yeah absolutely i love he [TS]

01:16:50   great master able to he makes me laugh [TS]

01:16:52   when he's at my wife and I were talking [TS]

01:16:54   about it's like Oh Braun it's great to [TS]

01:16:56   have more brawn he's he's Tyrion the [TS]

01:16:58   brains and he's the Brawn yeah a [TS]

01:17:01   straightforward he is he's a guy with [TS]

01:17:03   the sword knows how to use it and he's [TS]

01:17:05   like you be in charge of the of the City [TS]

01:17:06   Guard okay yeah I can do that [TS]

01:17:09   more or less yeah yeah but in it and [TS]

01:17:13   then at the end of the season with [TS]

01:17:14   Tyrion we have him basically stripped of [TS]

01:17:16   all his resources and cranny of the [TS]

01:17:20   older guy comes to gloat what's-his-name [TS]

01:17:22   the did the guy Harry three-eye i would [TS]

01:17:26   just like to tell you digitally that i [TS]

01:17:27   am on top now and use it's a it's [TS]

01:17:29   commander veers from a partial expansion [TS]

01:17:31   yeah I just guessing picturing him doing [TS]

01:17:34   his like squat exercises and his bro [TS]

01:17:36   right so that previously said that is [TS]

01:17:39   defined his character for me remember [TS]

01:17:41   that song I could help but i'm going to [TS]

01:17:43   Ferris a great team were very surprised [TS]

01:17:45   to get seduced by prostitute [TS]

01:17:47   mmhmm yeah yeah although thatthat's a [TS]

01:17:49   there's also the good scene where they [TS]

01:17:51   where they come from Syria and said look [TS]

01:17:53   you know that we know we know what you [TS]

01:17:55   did here and and as calculating as [TS]

01:17:58   everybody is playing their own game here [TS]

01:18:00   do you know there will be there are [TS]

01:18:02   there are there are a bunch of us who [TS]

01:18:04   realize that you're actually the guy who [TS]

01:18:06   saved the city [TS]

01:18:07   he's becoming more sympathetic like yeah [TS]

01:18:09   but a little but at the same time they [TS]

01:18:11   establish his character so well that [TS]

01:18:12   every time he does something that [TS]

01:18:13   sympathetic I keep thinking out there [TS]

01:18:16   they're just doing it's a trick [TS]

01:18:17   he's trying to to trick me into being [TS]

01:18:21   sympathetic to you you know and so every [TS]

01:18:24   someone I see him making visit like we [TS]

01:18:26   believe in you Tyrion I don't listen to [TS]

01:18:28   him he's totally set you up yeah right [TS]

01:18:30   he's trying to grow yeah i was doing and [TS]

01:18:31   that it were confident that everything [TS]

01:18:32   with their lives [TS]

01:18:34   various Littlefinger Tyrion you know [TS]

01:18:35   Tyrion is certainly certainly the most [TS]

01:18:37   no I likable of the three of them but my [TS]

01:18:39   self regulating and trying anyways [TS]

01:18:42   no I would say Tyrion is definitely more [TS]

01:18:45   an audience people through the [TS]

01:18:47   calculating part where as pie cells just [TS]

01:18:50   dirty little finger is creepy and [TS]

01:18:53   Littlefinger you don't want to know what [TS]

01:18:55   he's doing because probably it's [TS]

01:18:57   something crazy and a terrace is just [TS]

01:18:58   like two verses just for the game [TS]

01:19:00   variares the game various and he's [TS]

01:19:02   playing a long game and he's a survivor [TS]

01:19:05   oh yeah he's amazing he's kind of like [TS]

01:19:07   is there like he's been around since the [TS]

01:19:09   Targaryen to be still there yeah [TS]

01:19:11   spider in the web still there without [TS]

01:19:14   without his balls get along he's got a [TS]

01:19:16   lot of other things occupies although i [TS]

01:19:18   do like I do like that scene with him in [TS]

01:19:19   the prostitute jazz [TS]

01:19:21   she thinks she's totally in control [TS]

01:19:22   center now I know you are and she's [TS]

01:19:25   really not just 10 angry is but the fact [TS]

01:19:28   that she realizes if it was any other [TS]

01:19:30   man i know exactly how to write man [TS]

01:19:33   because that is my job and then she [TS]

01:19:35   realizes what basically this guy is like [TS]

01:19:37   kryptonite we're gonna take my trump [TS]

01:19:39   card [TS]

01:19:39   yeah I have no power over you right now [TS]

01:19:41   it'll be nice little scene [TS]

01:19:42   yeah yeah anyway so so season 2 in you [TS]

01:19:47   know I last year i love the show I [TS]

01:19:49   really enjoyed watching it this year [TS]

01:19:51   you got HBO again specifically to watch [TS]

01:19:54   it and i gotta say over those ten weeks [TS]

01:19:58   which is felt like way too short a time [TS]

01:20:00   sunday night comes around I'm like [TS]

01:20:02   alright Game of Thrones and you know [TS]

01:20:04   what there's not a lot of TV alone right [TS]

01:20:05   now that I feel like I want to watch the [TS]

01:20:08   night of and I'm really excited to watch [TS]

01:20:10   it and I'm thinking like Oh in a couple [TS]

01:20:12   of days note it's Saturday [TS]

01:20:14   yeah there's a weekend but tomorrow [TS]

01:20:16   night the thrones right and that's how i [TS]

01:20:18   felt and madman is on the same day [TS]

01:20:20   that's the other side of this was me and [TS]

01:20:22   i watch The Killing as well which is [TS]

01:20:24   also on the sunday sunday not monday is [TS]

01:20:26   like ease the pain of ending the weekend [TS]

01:20:30   so I so anyway my my my thought is I [TS]

01:20:32   thought they did a really good job [TS]

01:20:33   I you're more changes this year but [TS]

01:20:36   there I think they're done well in the [TS]

01:20:38   service of making a good show [TS]

01:20:39   yes as opposed to a good novel yeah well [TS]

01:20:42   I think they're on the right track of [TS]

01:20:44   what they're adapting from the novel and [TS]

01:20:47   what their splicing and there's not [TS]

01:20:48   really any sort of big warning flags [TS]

01:20:51   that I've seen so far in terms of [TS]

01:20:52   missteps that they've made a donation [TS]

01:20:55   I think the narrative weaknesses of the [TS]

01:20:56   season are largely because there are [TS]

01:20:58   things that America this is because the [TS]

01:21:01   book the book put some stories on hold [TS]

01:21:03   and does some sort of plate spinning for [TS]

01:21:05   a while and and that's not going to get [TS]

01:21:07   any better we know it your next season [TS]

01:21:09   is going to be tricky because of the [TS]

01:21:10   whole the split right but they've got [TS]

01:21:12   what I what I like is they they seem to [TS]

01:21:16   have not only they are they making some [TS]

01:21:18   good decisions but they've also got [TS]

01:21:20   george RR martin on board so there's [TS]

01:21:21   nobody who's sort of like you're ruining [TS]

01:21:23   the brilliance of the books like no [TS]

01:21:25   we're telling the TV show and we're [TS]

01:21:26   telling the same story but we're gonna [TS]

01:21:27   figure out the ways to fix it so it [TS]

01:21:30   works better as a TV show and they [TS]

01:21:31   really i think they really did that [TS]

01:21:33   so I was I was really happy with what [TS]

01:21:35   they did yeah really it's a different [TS]

01:21:37   medium you know and the story is being [TS]

01:21:40   told if you want the in-depth honest and [TS]

01:21:43   the occasional drawn-out relationships [TS]

01:21:46   of the book then you can read the book [TS]

01:21:48   it's not like that the television heroes [TS]

01:21:50   replacing them you've got 10 1 our [TS]

01:21:52   chapters to tell the story that's all [TS]

01:21:54   that's all i got it's more than a [TS]

01:21:55   two-hour movie but it's not you know a [TS]

01:21:57   thousand paper money yeah it's they [TS]

01:22:00   continue to be tops in both h like [TS]

01:22:02   basically in production value i mean [TS]

01:22:04   there's a lot of stuff that they do a [TS]

01:22:05   little bit of poker poker to make sure [TS]

01:22:08   it doesn't like we can't afford all [TS]

01:22:09   these horses and all this nothing [TS]

01:22:11   Ragan's like but they look good with a [TS]

01:22:12   big place at night up right now but very [TS]

01:22:17   dark out there man they do it anyway you [TS]

01:22:19   can they do it in a way that it feels [TS]

01:22:20   natural asterix and for me what really [TS]

01:22:22   sells the show especially coming from [TS]

01:22:24   having read the books is the casting [TS]

01:22:26   which tends to be which continues to be [TS]

01:22:29   as with season one they they think very [TS]

01:22:32   hard about how do we capture this [TS]

01:22:34   particular character and to my mind [TS]

01:22:37   there is very little that I look at any [TS]

01:22:40   of those characters and think I mean [TS]

01:22:41   there are definitely times when I look [TS]

01:22:42   at them and think now that's not exactly [TS]

01:22:43   how I pictured that character whatever [TS]

01:22:45   but the character still coming through [TS]

01:22:47   like a lot like watchman when you're [TS]

01:22:49   like oh you miss cast this horribly we [TS]

01:22:51   have living it's like know that let's go [TS]

01:22:53   they actually do have hired good actor [TS]

01:22:55   especially when they're little person [TS]

01:22:56   this is a show with a lot of characters [TS]

01:22:58   right it's not just like well you know [TS]

01:23:00   you gotta get jon snow right and you [TS]

01:23:02   gotta get Ned Stark right etc etc know [TS]

01:23:04   like you know again we talked about [TS]

01:23:06   people like Varys and Littlefinger who [TS]

01:23:08   wants my nourishment characters but [TS]

01:23:09   really important and key morning [TS]

01:23:12   campaigns like nail didn't agree i'm ron [TS]

01:23:15   you know all these yellow stamens not [TS]

01:23:17   Stannis yeah I think they look they did [TS]

01:23:19   a great job and I think the production [TS]

01:23:21   design helps the characters because it's [TS]

01:23:23   one of those shows where when you go to [TS]

01:23:24   the IMDb page are you google them or [TS]

01:23:26   whatever and you see the actors out of [TS]

01:23:28   class and what is status look like when [TS]

01:23:30   he's not dressed up a status he just [TS]

01:23:32   looks like some dude but like he looks [TS]

01:23:33   like status when it like they do the [TS]

01:23:35   hair and the negative and family and how [TS]

01:23:36   much dirt they have on a space and just [TS]

01:23:38   like everything or you know well that's [TS]

01:23:40   off to their FX department and [TS]

01:23:42   specifically the people who are doing [TS]

01:23:44   the mats in the cgi paintings [TS]

01:23:46   the effects and things like that because [TS]

01:23:48   it's integrated so sara lee i watched [TS]

01:23:50   the first for you you was talking to the [TS]

01:23:53   screeners of that first season the first [TS]

01:23:54   five episodes what we can see rocks [TS]

01:23:56   it is amazing that how a naturalistic [TS]

01:23:59   most of the cgi is where you wouldn't [TS]

01:24:00   know but also hats off for them [TS]

01:24:03   realizing less enough making this an [TS]

01:24:06   international production and doing the [TS]

01:24:07   smart thing that most you know probably [TS]

01:24:09   cost a lot more but saying we're going [TS]

01:24:12   to take a unit and we're gonna do all of [TS]

01:24:13   the north of the wall stuff separately [TS]

01:24:15   in Iceland we're gonna do this stuff in [TS]

01:24:17   Northern Ireland and we're gonna do this [TS]

01:24:18   stuff and I don't know that in Croatia I [TS]

01:24:20   think they went this year that remains [TS]

01:24:22   with the car that stuff i'm so so they [TS]

01:24:25   feel like they're in different parts of [TS]

01:24:26   the world because they're actually in [TS]

01:24:28   different parts of the world right there [TS]

01:24:29   is no substitute makes a difference it's [TS]

01:24:30   just like it's just like back in the day [TS]

01:24:32   when I was watching a when I was [TS]

01:24:34   watching a star trek the next generation [TS]

01:24:36   and they would go to planets and nine [TS]

01:24:37   times out of ten the planet was a sound [TS]

01:24:39   stash and its marching down and that he [TS]

01:24:42   has evidence right and then they would [TS]

01:24:44   do an episode like Darmok and they're [TS]

01:24:45   like out by Vasquez rocks but it's like [TS]

01:24:47   hey there outdoors it's like that's a [TS]

01:24:48   real outdoors and and there's just [TS]

01:24:50   something making a fake about it and so [TS]

01:24:52   seeing them in Iceland and seeing them [TS]

01:24:54   and Croatia even you feel like they're [TS]

01:24:57   in a real world and as and that and when [TS]

01:24:59   you cut between them it's like oh we're [TS]

01:25:00   something really different now and the [TS]

01:25:02   dragons are a little bit over the budget [TS]

01:25:03   that [TS]

01:25:04   yeah yeah keep it it's off i know i have [TS]

01:25:06   a little bit they save it for the last [TS]

01:25:08   episode but I can't if you're gonna have [TS]

01:25:09   to spend more time with the Dragons [TS]

01:25:11   eventually but you know right there's [TS]

01:25:13   gonna be tough because like it costs a [TS]

01:25:14   lot of money to living things that CJ [TS]

01:25:16   when you already get away with a little [TS]

01:25:18   bit with things that are real and you [TS]

01:25:19   haven't happened [TS]

01:25:20   I know but like that put them at like [TS]

01:25:22   money set them in the dark if you don't [TS]

01:25:26   come out dragon only come out at night [TS]

01:25:27   or is there is actually is the shadow of [TS]

01:25:29   the night dragons psle there is actually [TS]

01:25:32   in fact they do that a little bit in [TS]

01:25:33   some of the later books [TS]

01:25:34   yeah they're dragons are kind of not [TS]

01:25:35   talking about a little but we don't want [TS]

01:25:37   to hear there in the dark the other the [TS]

01:25:38   dark spoilers but it's interesting [TS]

01:25:41   HBO post well HBO mentioned some figures [TS]

01:25:44   and facts about their how much money it [TS]

01:25:46   costs to produce each episode and how [TS]

01:25:48   that budget went up twenty percent for [TS]

01:25:51   this season specifically for the last [TS]

01:25:53   two episodes and nothing else [TS]

01:25:54   yeah so they did twenty percent more an [TS]

01:25:57   episode [TS]

01:25:57   and episodes already cost like fifty [TS]

01:25:59   million dollars and then they took all [TS]

01:26:01   that twenty percent they didn't spend it [TS]

01:26:02   on those individual episodes put on a [TS]

01:26:04   dragon it's on the Blackwater exactly [TS]

01:26:07   well so here's the thing now this is [TS]

01:26:08   this is the show on HBO [TS]

01:26:10   this is like their show yeah and i was i [TS]

01:26:12   was talking to two friend I know who is [TS]

01:26:16   a friend of mine who's a TV critic and [TS]

01:26:17   and what he said to me was this is their [TS]

01:26:20   show they need to pony up the this is [TS]

01:26:23   the time when you spend more money you [TS]

01:26:25   order more episodes which they don't [TS]

01:26:26   seem like they're gonna do what they're [TS]

01:26:27   gonna do 10 you spend more money and you [TS]

01:26:30   say you know we have an opportunity here [TS]

01:26:32   this is our flagship let's not cheap it [TS]

01:26:35   out [TS]

01:26:35   this is this is like we're going [TS]

01:26:36   together so surprised that's what we're [TS]

01:26:37   gonna get our money back now because [TS]

01:26:39   this is going to be a hit [TS]

01:26:40   let's spend the money and I have no [TS]

01:26:42   doubt that it's already an expensive [TS]

01:26:43   show but I look at it and think you know [TS]

01:26:45   what you guys could spend more money and [TS]

01:26:46   you're gonna get it back because this [TS]

01:26:47   thing is like this like really good lord [TS]

01:26:49   of the rings that they bet big on Lord [TS]

01:26:51   of the Rings they spend all the money's [TS]

01:26:52   all the money is on all the movie and it [TS]

01:26:54   paid off and as much as I like having [TS]

01:26:56   more show i'm not sure that I go both [TS]

01:27:00   ways on the upping the episode count [TS]

01:27:01   because I feel like constraining them to [TS]

01:27:04   do the show in 10 episodes makes them [TS]

01:27:06   make hard choices him 12 [TS]

01:27:08   yeah 13 I think that's what I'm coming [TS]

01:27:10   out 20 stocks no no no you get what you [TS]

01:27:13   give him 12 [TS]

01:27:14   yeah and you give them a bigger budget [TS]

01:27:15   very or or both her and that's when can [TS]

01:27:17   I think for the next two seasons [TS]

01:27:18   covering book 3 i think that they might [TS]

01:27:21   need to yeah they're gonna have some [TS]

01:27:22   really interesting challenges because I [TS]

01:27:24   I don't think there's a logical way to [TS]

01:27:25   tell that story straight through and cut [TS]

01:27:27   it in the middle [TS]

01:27:28   I think they're going to need a climax [TS]

01:27:29   and that means that they're gonna [TS]

01:27:30   they're gonna have to really change [TS]

01:27:32   around the sequencing which my jean [TS]

01:27:33   doing accelerating some plotline [TS]

01:27:36   lengthening some other plot line which [TS]

01:27:37   could be cool but it is there going to [TS]

01:27:39   be going to be harder the writers have [TS]

01:27:40   their work cut out for the help me god i [TS]

01:27:42   hope they got these characters into [TS]

01:27:43   long-term contracts are there going to [TS]

01:27:45   be a seinfeld situation like that always [TS]

01:27:47   on the show is famous and then and then [TS]

01:27:49   the lead want ten times my Magic's also [TS]

01:27:51   is because it takes them so long to make [TS]

01:27:53   it and because you have a number of [TS]

01:27:54   people who are young kids yeah that gets [TS]

01:27:56   trickier hard before our yeah he signals [TS]

01:27:59   that are in trouble for Africa so I job [TS]

01:28:01   and I would look that I have no doubt [TS]

01:28:03   the Joffrey will still look mrs. got [TS]

01:28:04   that face is going to be punched a [TS]

01:28:06   magnet for like what are ya [TS]

01:28:07   like things like 37 Monty and what are [TS]

01:28:09   ya can't become like you know [TS]

01:28:12   yes you can be a 40 year old woman [TS]

01:28:13   chain-smoking like she needs to be she [TS]

01:28:15   used to be like a little girl yeah who [TS]

01:28:18   could pass as a boy Monty what did you [TS]

01:28:20   think about the second season you [TS]

01:28:21   towards the end of the second season [TS]

01:28:25   though i started watching The Borgias to [TS]

01:28:28   which I thought was an interesting [TS]

01:28:30   comparison in terms of episode by [TS]

01:28:32   episode budget because the Borgias [TS]

01:28:35   doesn't have any magic and stays largely [TS]

01:28:37   in one place that has a much higher [TS]

01:28:39   fancy outfit and ridiculous setting but [TS]

01:28:43   they have more they're more kravat's and [TS]

01:28:48   capes and more pomp and circumstance [TS]

01:28:50   they have a panther there in a cage for [TS]

01:28:54   no reason but there's no seats never let [TS]

01:28:56   it out of the cage people that's why [TS]

01:28:58   that's the reason see a couple episodes [TS]

01:29:00   ago [TS]

01:29:01   alright that's good that's good to know [TS]

01:29:04   well so onward to onwards the season [TS]

01:29:07   three of Game of Thrones in a year [TS]

01:29:09   could be worse could be Sherlock out [TS]

01:29:12   game of thrones good stuff i like it [TS]

01:29:13   it's one of my favorites on the air [TS]

01:29:15   right now so looks like everybody agrees [TS]

01:29:17   alright well i think that that's going [TS]

01:29:20   to close up our special wacky four [TS]

01:29:22   people in a room together and somebody [TS]

01:29:24   else on skype Monty thank you for being [TS]

01:29:27   the odd man out sorry you're at the [TS]

01:29:29   other end of the skype when we wish you [TS]

01:29:30   were here and I could help [TS]

01:29:31   yeah i was great it was great having you [TS]

01:29:33   sorry sorry that you're you're down down [TS]

01:29:35   a well or you know down a Skype [TS]

01:29:38   connection but an escape it wasn't it [TS]

01:29:40   was nice to have you in your wisdom with [TS]

01:29:42   us and in the room i would like to thank [TS]

01:29:45   my in room my in room guests damn more'n [TS]

01:29:49   thanks for being here thank you for [TS]

01:29:51   having me jason is a pleasure to [TS]

01:29:53   actually see you in person and now i [TS]

01:29:56   will poison you all just in case status [TS]

01:29:58   storms that's well that's i have the ear [TS]

01:30:00   poison at the ready for serenity [TS]

01:30:03   Caldwell thanks for being here and by [TS]

01:30:05   that I mean physically here I love being [TS]

01:30:08   physically here Jason and you know if [TS]

01:30:10   Dan decides to poison us well what is [TS]

01:30:13   dead may never die [TS]

01:30:14   Wow John siracusa it is great to see you [TS]

01:30:17   in person [TS]

01:30:18   and this is when i record podcast all [TS]

01:30:21   the time is sort of that this late in [TS]

01:30:23   the day this is much nicer i hereby [TS]

01:30:25   volunteer to teleport out here anytime [TS]

01:30:27   you want to record teleport you and like [TS]

01:30:29   all part of a shower i'm here my son is [TS]

01:30:31   working on portal technology because it [TS]

01:30:33   would save him from having to walk to [TS]

01:30:34   school patented it will never be able to [TS]

01:30:36   patent right now is there a patent for [TS]

01:30:38   portals already asked sure patented [TS]

01:30:41   items don't have to work is it a [TS]

01:30:42   standard essential patent for the the [TS]

01:30:45   portaling standard I think valve might [TS]

01:30:48   have the patent on the world's certainly [TS]

01:30:51   do my portals are different green and [TS]

01:30:53   orange totally different and they're [TS]

01:30:56   square there on tagging Aristide the [TS]

01:30:59   right it's a new invention that it's a [TS]

01:31:00   new invention [TS]

01:31:01   yes alright until next time the [TS]

01:31:03   incomparable this is jason snow signing [TS]

01:31:06   off thanks for listening [TS]

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