The Incomparable

94: If You Think It`s Funny, That`s Fine, You`re Wrong


00:00:00   capacity ninja theme on [TS]

00:00:11   the incomparable podcast number 94 jun [TS]

00:00:19   welcome back to the comfortable podcast [TS]

00:00:22   on your host Jason Snell and in this [TS]

00:00:24   edition we are going to talk about [TS]

00:00:28   it's a little bit of a departure I guess [TS]

00:00:30   from us we like all things kiki here but [TS]

00:00:32   there's a genre that is not [TS]

00:00:33   traditionally thought of as a place for [TS]

00:00:34   Kiki stuff that's the sitcom television [TS]

00:00:36   situation comedy and yet there are many [TS]

00:00:39   sitcoms that are either let's run [TS]

00:00:41   through it there either a they are sort [TS]

00:00:45   of genre like science fictional they are [TS]

00:00:48   featured geeky type people or they [TS]

00:00:51   feature story lines and concepts that [TS]

00:00:53   appeal to Kiki type people and we are [TS]

00:00:54   going to talk about that tonight [TS]

00:00:57   this is a topic suggested by our very [TS]

00:00:59   own Lex Friedman i'd like to introduce [TS]

00:01:02   Lex Friedman to you now but wouldn't you [TS]

00:01:06   but he couldn't make it so thanks likes [TS]

00:01:09   for the idea and then joining me to talk [TS]

00:01:11   about this instead of lex joining me i [TS]

00:01:13   have fine guess I have been more and I [TS]

00:01:17   dan I just and I'd like it to be known [TS]

00:01:19   that I'm better than Lex in every way we [TS]

00:01:22   we already knew that but thank you for [TS]

00:01:24   saying it [TS]

00:01:24   that's so we're clear your honor it also [TS]

00:01:27   serenity Caldwell Iran high and Scott [TS]

00:01:30   McNulty is here as well hi Scott [TS]

00:01:32   hello I also and disappointed that I'm [TS]

00:01:35   not Lex Frieden also joining us is andy [TS]

00:01:38   anarcho Andy hi hello thank you for [TS]

00:01:42   joining us so systems I i think what i [TS]

00:01:45   said in my note to everybody about this [TS]

00:01:47   episode was to come prepared to talk [TS]

00:01:50   about something that you are you [TS]

00:01:53   consider to be a geeky saw the comment i [TS]

00:01:56   assume in praise of it although you know [TS]

00:01:59   there are also many honestly there are [TS]

00:02:01   many more that we could condemn then [TS]

00:02:02   praised i was looking wikipedia actually [TS]

00:02:04   has a page called the list of science [TS]

00:02:06   fiction sitcoms just looking at it is [TS]

00:02:10   not a good list maybe we should start [TS]

00:02:13   Alf alphabetically Alf the OM about a [TS]

00:02:16   puppet alien is it comes in first first [TS]

00:02:20   in your hearts and first enlist on [TS]

00:02:22   wikipedia alphabetically [TS]

00:02:24   he's from the planet melmac he enjoyed [TS]

00:02:26   about cats first first on the list on [TS]

00:02:28   wikipedia is a great name for out and [TS]

00:02:30   tumblr blog episode [TS]

00:02:33   i'm watching Alf and I was a kid and [TS]

00:02:35   enjoying it [TS]

00:02:36   homeboys in outer space oh my god wow [TS]

00:02:40   that ring back [TS]

00:02:41   UPN sitcom all man i want to come over [TS]

00:02:45   so that it was terrible terrible as a [TS]

00:02:48   bad show [TS]

00:02:49   I don't consider this be animated I [TS]

00:02:52   don't think the animated one should [TS]

00:02:53   count futurama the jetsons yeah invaders [TS]

00:02:57   zoom is it also reduces artisan kinds [TS]

00:03:01   really sitcoms however me go which is [TS]

00:03:06   that is [TS]

00:03:07   isn't that the the bronson pinchot was [TS]

00:03:10   an alien [TS]

00:03:11   well yes yeah that's that's actually [TS]

00:03:13   what you said junior broadsides show [TS]

00:03:16   that's actually just like I like Bronson [TS]

00:03:18   Pinchot is actually an alien a Mork and [TS]

00:03:21   Mindy my favorite Martian [TS]

00:03:23   wow yeah that's a classic that students [TS]

00:03:26   that's valid that's that's not bad that [TS]

00:03:28   none of those ones that i was going to [TS]

00:03:29   bring up though I mind my favorite [TS]

00:03:31   Martian podcast maybe a little too old [TS]

00:03:33   of a of a demographic there [TS]

00:03:36   so who would like to bring up a and [TS]

00:03:39   presumably praise a geeky sitcom who me [TS]

00:03:42   meanie [TS]

00:03:43   ok dad he's gonna do mine for I am [TS]

00:03:45   because it's my favorite to come of [TS]

00:03:46   olive oil so i get this Hannah this is [TS]

00:03:48   like the reason that you're on the [TS]

00:03:49   podcast so pronounced it is no it's at [TS]

00:03:51   least a phrase [TS]

00:03:52   small wonder it's it's it's Matt Matt [TS]

00:03:55   she's hope you like a mash because I'm [TS]

00:03:57   any like classic what I loved about [TS]

00:03:59   small wonder was how they made the girl [TS]

00:04:01   speak Vicki the robot soon realistically [TS]

00:04:04   in that Jay spoke like this but she was [TS]

00:04:08   fantastic manager would you make it [TS]

00:04:10   you'd make an immaculate robot that [TS]

00:04:12   looked exactly like a human being [TS]

00:04:14   acting stiffly and many acres and then [TS]

00:04:17   you'd make her voice sound like this [TS]

00:04:19   doing technology it's it's the [TS]

00:04:22   definition is the definition of the [TS]

00:04:25   uncanny valley [TS]

00:04:26   I don't want to take that away from you [TS]

00:04:27   Dan though so go ahead and talk thanks [TS]

00:04:28   chase and I I appreciate what I'm gonna [TS]

00:04:30   talk about small wonder now or what they [TS]

00:04:33   want swinging on a star you see that one [TS]

00:04:36   out of this world how this world that's [TS]

00:04:39   why this week and start with the theme [TS]

00:04:40   song [TS]

00:04:41   no I'm not a great i believed and more'n [TS]

00:04:44   I know what he's gonna pick and [TS]

00:04:47   I know that he loves it and so we're [TS]

00:04:48   going to go to him with the with the [TS]

00:04:50   choice of the I know he wants to talk [TS]

00:04:52   about space right [TS]

00:04:53   yes the the seminal simon pegg nick [TS]

00:04:57   frost vehicle which began their lot [TS]

00:04:59   they're long collaboration with director [TS]

00:05:01   Edgar Wright as well as a jessica hynes [TS]

00:05:05   nay Stephenson fantastic british sitcom [TS]

00:05:09   that began airing and I believe either [TS]

00:05:13   99 or 2,000 because I first watch this [TS]

00:05:17   when I lived in the united kingdom which [TS]

00:05:21   was briefly in college and friend of [TS]

00:05:23   mine who had been there longer than i [TS]

00:05:25   had said oh you got to watch the show [TS]

00:05:28   and it was the second series of it or [TS]

00:05:31   season you prefer the American [TS]

00:05:32   nomenclature i said i'll check it out [TS]

00:05:35   and and i watch the show and I felt [TS]

00:05:37   deeply madly truly in love with it and [TS]

00:05:42   went and bought the the region two dvds [TS]

00:05:45   of the first season so I could catch up [TS]

00:05:46   on all the stuff that I'd missed and it [TS]

00:05:50   is i think it would be hard to find the [TS]

00:05:52   sitcom that is that is quite quite as [TS]

00:05:55   geeky as space is in terms of just the [TS]

00:05:57   number of references sort of per minute [TS]

00:06:00   in fact in the DVD releases i have they [TS]

00:06:03   they have a what they call an homage [TS]

00:06:06   ometer where they put in the subtitles [TS]

00:06:09   of the bottom of the screen [TS]

00:06:11   what they are referencing at any given [TS]

00:06:13   moment and that might be like three or [TS]

00:06:16   four different things at various times [TS]

00:06:17   and I tried to catch them all in there [TS]

00:06:20   but there are some of them are are so [TS]

00:06:21   obscure or so particularly British in [TS]

00:06:24   some ways that i just had never heard of [TS]

00:06:25   them but obviously you get a lot of the [TS]

00:06:28   big references you get star wars is a [TS]

00:06:31   huge huge part of it in fact is a is a [TS]

00:06:33   major plot point in the second season [TS]

00:06:35   how much Tim played by Simon pay hates [TS]

00:06:38   the Phantom Menace is it Star Trek [TS]

00:06:42   references because it's the early two [TS]

00:06:44   thousands you there's the obligatory [TS]

00:06:45   matrix episode just chock-full of geeky [TS]

00:06:50   references and what makes it so so great [TS]

00:06:53   is that they weren't necessarily defined [TS]

00:06:57   by being geeks they weren't geeks in the [TS]

00:06:59   way that you might see [TS]

00:07:00   beyond you know some of these sitcoms [TS]

00:07:03   now the purport to focus on geeks but it [TS]

00:07:05   was clear that the film that the needy [TS]

00:07:07   people writing and directing the show [TS]

00:07:09   who you know obviously included to the [TS]

00:07:11   people who started the show were huge [TS]

00:07:14   geeks themselves because the kind of [TS]

00:07:17   references they put in there weren't [TS]

00:07:18   sort of like no nudge-nudge wink-wink to [TS]

00:07:20   like you know the sort of the mainstream [TS]

00:07:22   audience about how silly these people [TS]

00:07:23   are they were deeply personal moments [TS]

00:07:27   that reflected not only the characters [TS]

00:07:30   were but who the the actual people [TS]

00:07:31   portraying them at writing this works I [TS]

00:07:33   i love this sitcom with so much passion [TS]

00:07:36   and it has led me to follow the career [TS]

00:07:38   of a simon pegg and nick frost and edgar [TS]

00:07:41   wright we've gone on to do a number of [TS]

00:07:43   excellent things including shaun of the [TS]

00:07:47   dead hot fuzz us Edgar Wright directed [TS]

00:07:50   scott pilgrim and they are making yet [TS]

00:07:53   another third and what they call their [TS]

00:07:55   blood and ice cream trilogy called the [TS]

00:07:58   world end which they're starting [TS]

00:07:59   production on this fall and of course [TS]

00:08:02   Simon Pegg has gone on to to revitalize [TS]

00:08:04   the role of Scotty in the latest Star [TS]

00:08:06   Trek movies directed by JJ Abrams so [TS]

00:08:09   certainly a deep bench of geek cred [TS]

00:08:12   there [TS]

00:08:13   yeah I I cannot express how much i love [TS]

00:08:16   these shows i own i still own on my [TS]

00:08:17   shelves region two dvds of both the [TS]

00:08:19   first and second seasons and have [TS]

00:08:21   maintained a region to region free DVD [TS]

00:08:24   player for many many years just for the [TS]

00:08:26   purpose of watching those I in fact [TS]

00:08:27   though I do own a region one copy it has [TS]

00:08:30   been on extended loan to one of my [TS]

00:08:31   cousins so i need to reclaim it one of [TS]

00:08:33   these days [TS]

00:08:33   ready 1 2 cosine about about spaced I [TS]

00:08:37   know you're sad that I'm not really sad [TS]

00:08:40   because dan has much more geek cred on [TS]

00:08:42   space than I do [TS]

00:08:43   since I've really i've only watched [TS]

00:08:45   space through about twice and having [TS]

00:08:48   arisen that it is still number two on my [TS]

00:08:51   list of all time TV shows last for me [TS]

00:08:53   mhm what's number one but a sports night [TS]

00:08:57   of course but yeah I mean I when I first [TS]

00:09:01   started watching space it was actually [TS]

00:09:03   on tail end of another sitcom it can't [TS]

00:09:06   really be called geeky but still is very [TS]

00:09:09   intelligent which is arrested [TS]

00:09:10   development and [TS]

00:09:12   after having watched the season of [TS]

00:09:14   Arrested Development my friends are like [TS]

00:09:15   oh if you like Arrested Development you [TS]

00:09:18   are going to adore spaced and I'm like [TS]

00:09:21   okay and I start watching it and of [TS]

00:09:23   course it's it is it is fun and is witty [TS]

00:09:25   and has things that call back but the [TS]

00:09:27   the extra sort of geet I and what really [TS]

00:09:30   sold it for me and the fact that it's [TS]

00:09:31   like oh they're portraying you know [TS]

00:09:33   they're portraying geeks as human [TS]

00:09:36   figures who happen to also like you have [TS]

00:09:40   you have the point the the episode that [TS]

00:09:42   always sticks out in my head is the [TS]

00:09:44   mortal kombat episode then can you like [TS]

00:09:47   elaborate on this and this episode [TS]

00:09:48   because I can only remember visuals but [TS]

00:09:51   it's something was not fighters only [TS]

00:09:53   students and like a KO situation [TS]

00:09:55   well no it's just it's it's the kind of [TS]

00:09:57   show for all the other having they have [TS]

00:09:59   an argument [TS]

00:09:59   oh yeah it's it's not necessarily mortal [TS]

00:10:02   kombat I think it's a I think it's a [TS]

00:10:04   different fighting game but they're [TS]

00:10:06   havin they're havin like an argument and [TS]

00:10:07   as each of them scores a point or so in [TS]

00:10:09   their argument it's sort of reflected in [TS]

00:10:11   a video game until the one of them makes [TS]

00:10:14   the you know the sort of defeating [TS]

00:10:16   argument and then you get the KO Gail [TS]

00:10:18   Gail I always think of the scene where [TS]

00:10:20   he's playing he's playing tomb raider [TS]

00:10:22   after his that between tomb raider after [TS]

00:10:25   his girlfriend has broken up with him [TS]

00:10:26   and he's not actually playing tomb [TS]

00:10:28   raider he's just having laura croft jump [TS]

00:10:30   into water and just drowning her because [TS]

00:10:32   he's so angry [TS]

00:10:33   yes there's a little ton of video game [TS]

00:10:37   references a ton of comic book [TS]

00:10:38   references in fact that i believe as I [TS]

00:10:41   recall his last name so the character's [TS]

00:10:44   name the character of Tim is a is a [TS]

00:10:46   cartoon areas a comic book you know LS [TS]

00:10:49   illustrator and his last name tim is Tim [TS]

00:10:52   bisley and I believe Simon Bisley is a [TS]

00:10:55   fairly well-known illustrator who I [TS]

00:10:58   think did some sketches including for [TS]

00:11:00   like the space cover and stuff like that [TS]

00:11:01   so and then I'll there's a later episode [TS]

00:11:04   in the second season where Tim finally [TS]

00:11:07   gets a chance to sort of draw for one of [TS]

00:11:09   like that the comic-book labels that he [TS]

00:11:10   loves so there's there's some comic [TS]

00:11:13   stuff there's a lot of geeky movie and [TS]

00:11:15   television stuff and the highlight for [TS]

00:11:18   me is that there's actually a lot of [TS]

00:11:20   stuff about high brow art and theatre [TS]

00:11:23   which is kind of sprinkled in because [TS]

00:11:25   one of the characters on [TS]

00:11:26   spaced if you haven't watched it is they [TS]

00:11:29   all live together in this apartment [TS]

00:11:30   building and one of the tenants in this [TS]

00:11:32   apartment building is a shut-in artist [TS]

00:11:34   named Brian who is a who is a special [TS]

00:11:38   creature likes to paint in a couple [TS]

00:11:41   different flavors i watched a few [TS]

00:11:43   episodes and I must bit it was humorous [TS]

00:11:45   but i did not make me want to watch the [TS]

00:11:47   whole thing so i stopped that's at sad [TS]

00:11:49   Scott and makes me it makes me hurt my [TS]

00:11:51   heart region [TS]

00:11:52   I'm sorry the first six to eight [TS]

00:11:54   episodes are a little cerebral to get [TS]

00:11:57   through especially if you have never [TS]

00:11:58   watched british comedy before I know [TS]

00:12:01   when I was first watching it I'm like [TS]

00:12:03   this is fun but I mean the first 16 [TS]

00:12:05   episodes of the first season [TS]

00:12:06   yes I know who that's what it's only [TS]

00:12:08   like 14 episodes already short-handed [TS]

00:12:11   british sitcoms in general and I I [TS]

00:12:14   recognize that it was good it was just I [TS]

00:12:16   just it was not for me where they're too [TS]

00:12:18   many Star Wars references for you that [TS]

00:12:20   may have turning slightly so yeah we [TS]

00:12:25   have we have many too many things to [TS]

00:12:27   talk about my I think they're a couple [TS]

00:12:28   shows that we're going to inevitably get [TS]

00:12:30   to but I I thought we would ask friend [TS]

00:12:33   do you have a favorite you want to throw [TS]

00:12:35   out their discussion let's see i have a [TS]

00:12:37   couple of the one i will mention though [TS]

00:12:39   is the one that I feel like I think I've [TS]

00:12:41   mentioned on the show before was a show [TS]

00:12:44   that ran I want to see on ABC a couple [TS]

00:12:47   years back and unfortunately got [TS]

00:12:49   Smackdown right in the middle of the [TS]

00:12:51   writers strike so didn't really get a [TS]

00:12:52   chance to take off and that was better [TS]

00:12:55   off ted which is pseudo pseudo geeky [TS]

00:13:00   pseudo pseudoscience half-hour sitcom [TS]

00:13:04   that just had some really really funny [TS]

00:13:06   moments and I think that is actually [TS]

00:13:08   available in its entirety on netflix and [TS]

00:13:10   I urge anybody who like who really enjoy [TS]

00:13:13   is sort of it's a it is a cut above most [TS]

00:13:16   sitcoms I won't say it's necessarily [TS]

00:13:17   best like all-time epitome of what a [TS]

00:13:20   geeky sick comments to me but it had [TS]

00:13:23   really great characters who again it's [TS]

00:13:25   it's bridging the the people who look [TS]

00:13:30   outwardly like geeks to r22 what we [TS]

00:13:33   stereotype is a geek [TS]

00:13:35   with you know the people who are [TS]

00:13:37   actually like the people who are North [TS]

00:13:39   technically normal in the show like Ted [TS]

00:13:41   and his will will they won't they [TS]

00:13:44   girlfriend but not actually girlfriend [TS]

00:13:46   the other people pitched as normal here [TS]

00:13:49   and in reality i'd say they kind of end [TS]

00:13:53   up being the geekiest because they end [TS]

00:13:54   up happening like secret hobbies and [TS]

00:13:56   plans and things like that but and that [TS]

00:13:58   and that show we've got the characters [TS]

00:14:00   who are in the lab coats are the [TS]

00:14:01   scientists and they're funny and there [TS]

00:14:03   they are very funny in the stereotypical [TS]

00:14:05   very nice dynamic but you also have the [TS]

00:14:07   overarching premise which is that this [TS]

00:14:08   company that they work for radio [TS]

00:14:10   dynamics is essentially a supervillain [TS]

00:14:12   corporation and they are constantly [TS]

00:14:14   inventing horrible things that Ted is [TS]

00:14:17   supposed to find ways to market in some [TS]

00:14:20   way and Portia de Rossi is his terrible [TS]

00:14:21   boss who is essentially a super villain [TS]

00:14:25   in that she's got her job is to promote [TS]

00:14:28   this terrible company and they're [TS]

00:14:29   horrible murderous products and and yeah [TS]

00:14:32   it's that's a great show better off ted [TS]

00:14:34   it's it's lonely i love the little of [TS]

00:14:37   Veridian dynamics commercials as a [TS]

00:14:40   personal yeah but if you're watching it [TS]

00:14:42   for the first time you have no idea that [TS]

00:14:43   it's fake commercial until it's obvious [TS]

00:14:45   we're talking about you know liquefied [TS]

00:14:46   cows or something [TS]

00:14:48   yeah I don't think this is a real [TS]

00:14:49   commercial there's always a fake for the [TS]

00:14:52   dynamics commercial Lena and every [TS]

00:14:54   episode of better off ted that is it as [TS]

00:14:56   an excellent show and again another one [TS]

00:14:58   that was cancelled far too soon but I [TS]

00:15:00   yeah i really i really want bitch i love [TS]

00:15:02   that they're always coming up with tears [TS]

00:15:04   in their whole episode where they have [TS]

00:15:07   like an after-work club that's basically [TS]

00:15:09   like like hitting each other with swords [TS]

00:15:11   or something like that and then they [TS]

00:15:14   invite a bit because they they like him [TS]

00:15:16   and they want to like approval but it [TS]

00:15:17   gets like to competitive and like to [TS]

00:15:19   joke like almost and all the games going [TS]

00:15:21   now we will now we don't have any fun [TS]

00:15:23   with it [TS]

00:15:23   yeah it's it's a it's a really fun [TS]

00:15:28   little show it only ran four what if it [TS]

00:15:31   was uses two seasons yeah but we're both [TS]

00:15:33   thirties was another like 13 episodes [TS]

00:15:35   yeah yeah i think that burned off the [TS]

00:15:37   rest the the end of it but it was a very [TS]

00:15:40   good show that was a that's a [TS]

00:15:42   I think the same guy who did andy [TS]

00:15:43   richter controls the universe yes yes [TS]

00:15:45   their brother very good show yeah [TS]

00:15:47   everything in a similar vibe to it very [TS]

00:15:50   much [TS]

00:15:51   yes yep paget Brewster and portia de [TS]

00:15:54   rossi not that far apart in those [TS]

00:15:56   character isn't you know [TS]

00:15:58   no I'm pitching it to people i often say [TS]

00:16:00   it's kind of like a geeky arrested [TS]

00:16:02   development with ridiculous commercials [TS]

00:16:04   smack in the middle and seems to [TS]

00:16:07   describe it more or less yeah of course [TS]

00:16:11   Victor fresco was also known for his [TS]

00:16:15   work on net about you and evening shade [TS]

00:16:17   starring burt reynolds now that science [TS]

00:16:19   got to get that booty had to get that [TS]

00:16:21   Burt Reynolds references [TS]

00:16:22   I never gonna leave that Helen Hunt [TS]

00:16:24   would marry Paul Reiser so I consider [TS]

00:16:25   that also science fiction [TS]

00:16:27   haha they were mad I they were out he [TS]

00:16:32   generally literally insane you have [TS]

00:16:34   actually it turned out in the final [TS]

00:16:36   episode [TS]

00:16:37   yes I Scott is there a sitcom you would [TS]

00:16:41   like to speak of positively or [TS]

00:16:43   negatively [TS]

00:16:44   well I think we should accentuate the [TS]

00:16:47   positive [TS]

00:16:47   ok so I'm going to talk about that [TS]

00:16:49   something is not actually a sitcom but [TS]

00:16:51   you know screamin rules down that's [TS]

00:16:55   that's not goes job over it go ahead [TS]

00:16:58   Scott going as i'm sorry the gods i [TS]

00:17:00   define sanity for the rest of the [TS]

00:17:02   universe but continued all right there [TS]

00:17:03   I what mystery science theater is that [TS]

00:17:06   this is not a sitcom I suppose but it is [TS]

00:17:08   it is one of my favorite shows and how [TS]

00:17:10   could I say no to mst3k you cannot [TS]

00:17:13   resist a crow T robot and Tom server so [TS]

00:17:17   since it is clear no one on this podcast [TS]

00:17:19   is heard of mystery science theater [TS]

00:17:20   no let me have it really not already a [TS]

00:17:24   try to kill me with oracle it [TS]

00:17:27   olay I'm sorry just broken through like [TS]

00:17:29   a whole ball of like means i have not [TS]

00:17:32   reused like 10 years observed gotta hold [TS]

00:17:34   I got abused my microphone i was it's [TS]

00:17:36   stayin out from Cal Manos the hands of [TS]

00:17:40   torgo's technically that translate that [TS]

00:17:43   hands hands of faith [TS]

00:17:45   so mr. sighs there clearly is a beloved [TS]

00:17:49   show that we must talk about and for PBS [TS]

00:17:52   not know what it is a a all five of them [TS]

00:17:55   it is a younger crowd might not mean now [TS]

00:17:58   it's only on the [TS]

00:17:59   be back in the day every Saturday it was [TS]

00:18:01   on first Comedy Central and then on the [TS]

00:18:04   SyFy channel that's right and a movie as [TS]

00:18:07   well yes and there was there was one [TS]

00:18:09   movie and it there are all on DVD and [TS]

00:18:11   many of them are on netflix now [TS]

00:18:13   yes so you should you should really [TS]

00:18:14   watch somebody way so the basic premise [TS]

00:18:16   a guy is shot into space on the set of a [TS]

00:18:20   ship called the satellite of love you [TS]

00:18:23   cut its kinda like you're asking us all [TS]

00:18:25   to like sing the theme song is this [TS]

00:18:26   instead of that is classic theme songs [TS]

00:18:28   that sets up the entire premise for the [TS]

00:18:30   show [TS]

00:18:31   it's true industry [TS]

00:18:39   and the not too distant future next [TS]

00:18:42   Sunday ad there was a hole and I thought [TS]

00:18:48   into different from you would be working [TS]

00:18:51   for your studies on it is dude just [TS]

00:18:54   another kid okay that suit he did a good [TS]

00:18:58   job picking up the pace but it was [TS]

00:19:01   positive and i will send the GZ movie [TS]

00:19:09   whatever you two really can't right now [TS]

00:19:12   and have to sit and why them all and [TS]

00:19:18   will bother to is mine now you la no [TS]

00:19:23   skid in Milan Joel character role and [TS]

00:19:26   the movies begin or and because he used [TS]

00:19:30   those special heart robotic Fred a robot [TS]

00:19:36   roll call camp i bought from tipsy Tom [TS]

00:19:40   servo grow if you're wondering how he [TS]

00:19:44   eats and breathes and other science [TS]

00:19:47   facts just repeating yourself 5000 know [TS]

00:19:52   I should really just 3 lakhs for Mystery [TS]

00:19:56   Science Theater 3000 [TS]

00:20:00   that is this that is the furthest off [TS]

00:20:06   track this podcast has ever gotten in 93 [TS]

00:20:09   episodes and and off he well that's all [TS]

00:20:12   the time we have tonight and wash my god [TS]

00:20:15   you're not getting this one this is all [TS]

00:20:17   just a premise for them to watch [TS]

00:20:18   terrible movies and make fun of them [TS]

00:20:20   though that is that is correct so that [TS]

00:20:22   they watch a very cheap movies that they [TS]

00:20:24   could gain the rights for cheaply and [TS]

00:20:26   mock them mercilessly and then cut them [TS]

00:20:28   up with a skits in the beginning they [TS]

00:20:31   would do things called invention [TS]

00:20:32   exchanges where Joel would have to show [TS]

00:20:35   his evil overlords invention and they [TS]

00:20:37   would in turn show him an invention [TS]

00:20:38   which you really make any sense but they [TS]

00:20:40   did it they did away with that part it's [TS]

00:20:43   just it's a lot of fun i watched it in [TS]

00:20:45   college [TS]

00:20:46   it started off on a public access TV [TS]

00:20:49   show people would circulate videotapes [TS]

00:20:52   so that other people could see hit this [TS]

00:20:54   is before they encouraged it in the [TS]

00:20:57   credits a dip circulating the tapes [TS]

00:20:59   that's right and there's even there's a [TS]

00:21:01   great uh if you could find it an [TS]

00:21:04   authorized kind of mst3k a spoof of [TS]

00:21:07   assembly spoof it's an homage that does [TS]

00:21:10   star trek five if you can find that you [TS]

00:21:14   probably can't on the internets it is [TS]

00:21:16   fantastic [TS]

00:21:16   they have everything on the internet [TS]

00:21:17   radio but yeah and and Tom servo is [TS]

00:21:21   really a role model of mine and how I [TS]

00:21:23   want to live my life as a with a number [TS]

00:21:26   and Shakeology yeah [TS]

00:21:28   yes I had in college I was not very [TS]

00:21:31   popular and I had a giant Tom servo [TS]

00:21:33   poster on my door I don't think those [TS]

00:21:37   two things are related but the thing [TS]

00:21:38   that always got me about that show was [TS]

00:21:40   that a certain point after watching it [TS]

00:21:42   you started to wonder looking at the [TS]

00:21:44   silhouettes whether they were looking at [TS]

00:21:47   the movie or looking at you because you [TS]

00:21:50   can tell they're two-dimensional just [TS]

00:21:52   like looking into the ability yeah I [TS]

00:21:54   remember that came to me at some point [TS]

00:21:56   when I was like look at it like oh my [TS]

00:21:57   god wait are they watching me [TS]

00:21:59   ah that is a really disturbing outlook [TS]

00:22:05   on life and mst3k that I never thought [TS]

00:22:08   about dan thanks [TS]

00:22:08   that now you won't be able to unsee it [TS]

00:22:10   like the arrow no logo [TS]

00:22:12   well it's kind of a reflection back on [TS]

00:22:14   the television show because if they're [TS]

00:22:16   you know if they're commenting on the [TS]

00:22:17   terrible movie but they're also looking [TS]

00:22:19   at you and you're watching them [TS]

00:22:22   commenting on the to my mind was just [TS]

00:22:23   blown i love the I mean the premise of [TS]

00:22:26   it by having the silhouette to do to do [TS]

00:22:27   riffing on movies was not not really new [TS]

00:22:29   but to do it and come up with this [TS]

00:22:33   premise so that they could do initially [TS]

00:22:35   the this the comedy sketches that would [TS]

00:22:37   be the episodes were ways for joel [TS]

00:22:39   hodgson to do his can prop comedy bit [TS]

00:22:42   and but those so those are strange and [TS]

00:22:45   funny on their own and then when they're [TS]

00:22:46   in the movie with the silhouettes you [TS]

00:22:48   always do when you're flipping around [TS]

00:22:49   that it was mst3k cuz you can see the [TS]

00:22:51   silhouettes and what I really like is [TS]

00:22:52   that they would try to do little bits [TS]

00:22:55   where they interacted and I always loved [TS]

00:22:57   it when Joel or later Mike would get up [TS]

00:23:00   and reach up and stand like tried to [TS]

00:23:03   scratch the cheek of somebody in a [TS]

00:23:05   close-up [TS]

00:23:06   I always thought that was hilarious too [TS]

00:23:07   so it was just such an inventive premise [TS]

00:23:10   and and you know it was to our in a two [TS]

00:23:13   hour long show too so there was a whole [TS]

00:23:16   lot in it and the thing that you always [TS]

00:23:18   had to sort of remind people of when [TS]

00:23:20   you're trying to get them hooked on this [TS]

00:23:21   show is that no no it's not like being [TS]

00:23:23   at the movie theater in those that were [TS]

00:23:25   really stupid 11 year old kids keeps [TS]

00:23:26   like things like you did your top of [TS]

00:23:29   lady you've got big knockers [TS]

00:23:32   it's it's actually a writing team that's [TS]

00:23:34   like far more than three people who [TS]

00:23:36   watches this movie time and time and [TS]

00:23:38   time again and develops a script in [TS]

00:23:40   which every singles available second is [TS]

00:23:43   filled with some sort of joke and their [TS]

00:23:45   hit to miss ratio ratio is incredibly [TS]

00:23:47   high and the references that they have [TS]

00:23:50   are incredibly good and they'll be [TS]

00:23:51   really was teenagers from outer space [TS]

00:23:54   there's like this big huge like round [TS]

00:23:57   saucer spaceship landing on a landing on [TS]

00:23:59   a thing and I think Joel says hey look [TS]

00:24:02   it's it's it's Audrey Hepburn's had some [TS]

00:24:04   definite breakfast at tiffany's coming [TS]

00:24:06   in for a landing [TS]

00:24:07   like that's a very hip reference if you [TS]

00:24:10   don't like a joke there's another one [TS]

00:24:11   coming right behind it [TS]

00:24:13   of course several of us in several of us [TS]

00:24:15   in in the comparable participated in a [TS]

00:24:18   brief spoof right we did that the [TS]

00:24:20   Phantom and the Phantom Empire [TS]

00:24:22   and unless I can't believe we're talking [TS]

00:24:23   about mst3k without Steve let's hear [TS]

00:24:25   since he has been like he's like a big [TS]

00:24:27   rifftrax guy and his met mike nelson and [TS]

00:24:31   but I mean the thing about that is andy [TS]

00:24:33   says like you know we we did about a [TS]

00:24:35   20-minute episode and that was hardly [TS]

00:24:38   was writing that is really different [TS]

00:24:40   model harder than you think it is it see [TS]

00:24:43   all your jokes and threw away most of [TS]

00:24:45   the jokes and then and do them three or [TS]

00:24:48   four times they stop being as funny [TS]

00:24:50   sometimes because you've seen how three [TS]

00:24:52   or four times and you telegraphed all [TS]

00:24:53   the jokes are used but you still have to [TS]

00:24:55   deliver them like they're funny and [TS]

00:24:56   react to your friends lives occasionally [TS]

00:24:58   like they're it's super no nothing gave [TS]

00:25:00   me more of an appreciation for ms 333 k [TS]

00:25:02   been doing that rifftrax little short [TS]

00:25:04   and realizing just how like kind of [TS]

00:25:07   brutally hard it was to do it and how [TS]

00:25:11   much just you make the jokes you think [TS]

00:25:12   that's kind of funny i make it look like [TS]

00:25:14   i said something funny while we were [TS]

00:25:15   watching TV and then you try to actually [TS]

00:25:17   do it and no no those just got ninety [TS]

00:25:20   percent of them you just run away right [TS]

00:25:21   away just that now [TS]

00:25:22   not good and on top of that are you guys [TS]

00:25:25   like being it's like I don't think a [TS]

00:25:27   week or two goes by without my suddenly [TS]

00:25:30   thinking about it mystery science [TS]

00:25:31   theater joke at least one so even a joke [TS]

00:25:34   that I've just they haven't heard like [TS]

00:25:35   okay I got my friends and I have like [TS]

00:25:37   you know recurring ones that we always [TS]

00:25:39   talk about my never forget there's a [TS]

00:25:40   some short i don't know what the exact [TS]

00:25:42   shortage but it's got like a guy rocking [TS]

00:25:44   out on a chair on the porch like an old [TS]

00:25:47   guy you start swatting at the air in [TS]

00:25:50   front of home and that they don't get [TS]

00:25:51   visible [TS]

00:25:52   oh yeah they're back at that one that [TS]

00:25:56   one comes up all the time I loves it [TS]

00:25:59   shorts so does everybody is it before we [TS]

00:26:02   knew it we can't stand mst3k forever [TS]

00:26:05   although maybe we should come back into [TS]

00:26:06   a two-hour episode where we up a [TS]

00:26:08   favorite if we do maybe maybe maybe the [TS]

00:26:11   mist maybe they'll be like friends with [TS]

00:26:12   us and the like come on the show we can [TS]

00:26:14   get my Nelson on the show you given he's [TS]

00:26:16   got its new uh anybody have if you've [TS]

00:26:19   got favorite episodes of a favorite [TS]

00:26:21   favorite mst3k now would be the time to [TS]

00:26:24   mention it [TS]

00:26:25   I'll go first my favorite episode of [TS]

00:26:27   mst3k it's time of the Apes which is [TS]

00:26:31   fantastic because it is like Planet of [TS]

00:26:34   the Apes except it's it's a japanese [TS]

00:26:36   movie and the logic is that they people [TS]

00:26:41   are frozen in suspended animation and [TS]

00:26:43   they go into the future and then of [TS]

00:26:44   course Apes rule the earth and there's a [TS]

00:26:47   little kid little kid who every time you [TS]

00:26:49   say terrible things will happen if he [TS]

00:26:50   doesn't listen to you he says i don't [TS]

00:26:52   care which is nice running gag but the [TS]

00:26:55   but my favorite part is the plot [TS]

00:26:56   resolution at the end when they've done [TS]

00:26:58   movie length of apes they think how will [TS]

00:27:01   I end this now you know we can't do the [TS]

00:27:03   statue of liberty or anything like that [TS]

00:27:05   was done by the movie we're not going up [TS]

00:27:06   so what they do is they go back to the [TS]

00:27:08   cryo chamber and they freeze the people [TS]

00:27:10   back in the crowd cheering but i thought [TS]

00:27:12   well this is an interesting choice but [TS]

00:27:13   they're going to go further into the [TS]

00:27:14   future and yet somehow the cryo chamber [TS]

00:27:16   takes them back in time to the present [TS]

00:27:17   day I don't know how that how could it [TS]

00:27:20   be any way of time of the apes that is [TS]

00:27:22   my favorite all-time and misty 3k it's a [TS]

00:27:25   it's a close tie for me between Mitchell [TS]

00:27:29   and perhaps one of general last episodes [TS]

00:27:34   and of course my my my my my my my God [TS]

00:27:39   we're gonna rip off the end of Key Largo [TS]

00:27:42   Mitchell up to 35 miles per hour [TS]

00:27:46   um it's a milestone episodes and jewels [TS]

00:27:48   last as Giants absolutely escape [TS]

00:27:50   satellite of love in a box of em dinners [TS]

00:27:52   and a close tie between that and one of [TS]

00:27:57   my favorite Christmas movies ever [TS]

00:27:58   santa claus conquers the martians oh [TS]

00:28:00   yeah yes that's an excellent young p [TS]

00:28:03   Isadora an excellent episode I'm going [TS]

00:28:05   to go by myself a Golden Globe my [TS]

00:28:10   favorite uh that just popped into my [TS]

00:28:12   mind is overdrawn at the memory banks [TS]

00:28:14   with raul julia features the line mom my [TS]

00:28:19   nuts they say that to me know very [TS]

00:28:23   recent and it becomes a ship [TS]

00:28:26   Wow Andy ever i have i have to go with [TS]

00:28:31   maroon because it's it's it's it's [TS]

00:28:35   really you normally the the movies that [TS]

00:28:37   they got to riff for geez he's like [TS]

00:28:39   american international really really [TS]

00:28:41   horribly low-budget pictures this is the [TS]

00:28:43   first 1i think where they got an [TS]

00:28:45   actual like major studio release that [TS]

00:28:48   got lots and lots of big-budget i think [TS]

00:28:50   actually was nominated for actually won [TS]

00:28:53   an academy award for best the best [TS]

00:28:55   visual effects and it started gene [TS]

00:28:57   hackman like at the right road shortly [TS]

00:29:00   after after his breakthrough so that was [TS]

00:29:03   the premise of the movie was like an [TS]

00:29:05   Apollo like 19 mission prep star like a [TS]

00:29:08   Skylab type mission like things start to [TS]

00:29:10   break down so they try to like bring the [TS]

00:29:11   astronauts back down with their [TS]

00:29:12   malfunctions and the entire movie is all [TS]

00:29:14   about how we rescue these three [TS]

00:29:16   astronauts so it's actually and actually [TS]

00:29:18   saw the original movie which was not a [TS]

00:29:20   terrible movie but when they get this [TS]

00:29:22   going to get something that's actually [TS]

00:29:23   enter twitter when you take us to me [TS]

00:29:25   start with a movie that's actually [TS]

00:29:26   entertaining to begin with and then you [TS]

00:29:28   add like eight comedians spending two [TS]

00:29:31   days trying to make it even funnier [TS]

00:29:33   that's pretty good and also and also [TS]

00:29:35   that makes they talk about callbacks [TS]

00:29:37   that just fill the rest of your life [TS]

00:29:39   there's so many lines from history [TS]

00:29:41   science 3000 that could good i could [TS]

00:29:43   fill a great one hour seminar valuable [TS]

00:29:46   seminar in filmmaking and one of them is [TS]

00:29:48   just when Thompson it's a running gag [TS]

00:29:50   retirement with we're at times keep [TS]

00:29:52   saying gene hackman is always good that [TS]

00:29:56   will deliver like that its beginning the [TS]

00:29:58   movie it's like like okay artoo [TS]

00:30:00   pressures at one-point-five percent [TS]

00:30:01   Oh gene hackman is always get it's true [TS]

00:30:05   gene Hackman is always good that's that [TS]

00:30:08   that would be my favorite Mitchell would [TS]

00:30:09   probably if I thought eventual first I [TS]

00:30:11   probably would have been cursing for [TS]

00:30:13   taking Mitchell first I didn't think [TS]

00:30:14   Mitchell first ran ru ru deep in the [TS]

00:30:17   knowledge of the mst3k or not very deep [TS]

00:30:20   in the knowledge of mst3k i am when i [TS]

00:30:23   will at college they had like a weekly [TS]

00:30:25   mst3k night which I would swing in and [TS]

00:30:28   out of I'm trying to remember some of [TS]

00:30:30   the film's I mean manos was the first [TS]

00:30:33   mst3k episode I ever watched and that I [TS]

00:30:37   mean to protect that's like yeah that's [TS]

00:30:39   a classic mostly because that film is [TS]

00:30:41   unwatchable without the right I had a I [TS]

00:30:44   had an orgo screensaver 1.0 i have a [TS]

00:30:47   screensaver you [TS]

00:30:48   yeah that's the guy that's dating us [TS]

00:30:50   there and you said you didn't have [TS]

00:30:52   friends [TS]

00:30:54   I had to work on what I actually ya know [TS]

00:30:58   there's actually a movie that I i had [TS]

00:31:00   seen um I i had seen before it was mst3k [TS]

00:31:05   did called the unearthly with John [TS]

00:31:08   Carradine and Tory Johnson and that's [TS]

00:31:11   and to this day actually my wife and i [TS]

00:31:13   quote a line from that movie that that [TS]

00:31:15   is what the little tag that they did at [TS]

00:31:17   the end of the credits in fact when they [TS]

00:31:18   didn't mess 383 t3k which is it learned [TS]

00:31:22   too late [TS]

00:31:23   that man is using creature top time for [TS]

00:31:26   go to bed [TS]

00:31:27   Oh for Johnson the idea and the in the [TS]

00:31:32   feature film itself [TS]

00:31:33   mst3k feature film was actually pretty [TS]

00:31:35   good as well this island earth person is [TS]

00:31:37   under greediness as everyone with yeah I [TS]

00:31:41   feel like we've just created like a mini [TS]

00:31:43   episode of inside inside this other [TS]

00:31:45   episodes or bonus episode we see the dmu [TS]

00:31:48   mcnoltey i'm sorry i felt it had to be [TS]

00:31:51   said it didn't have to be so because [TS]

00:31:54   otherwise we'd be talking about the big [TS]

00:31:55   banks sorry it's not it's not it's not a [TS]

00:31:57   sitcom [TS]

00:31:58   so you lose definite no points for [TS]

00:32:01   McNulty no no no negative points [TS]

00:32:05   Andy did you come bearing a show that [TS]

00:32:08   you would like to talk about [TS]

00:32:09   yes alt i'll name the two finalists [TS]

00:32:14   before talking about the one I chose I [TS]

00:32:17   at first thought I was gonna go deep [TS]

00:32:19   catalog and talk about square peg Lou [TS]

00:32:21   you're talking about [TS]

00:32:23   no whoo that's that such a nicer yo I [TS]

00:32:26   didn't even think of that square pegs [TS]

00:32:28   yeah it's a nice deep catalog selection [TS]

00:32:31   it was more about more about geeks and [TS]

00:32:34   nerds because we're talking about the [TS]

00:32:36   the central characters were like it's [TS]

00:32:38   takes place in we high school social [TS]

00:32:41   outcast or try to become part of the [TS]

00:32:42   part of the popular clique and it really [TS]

00:32:46   was plug if you were like in high school [TS]

00:32:48   in the eighties either you were one of [TS]

00:32:51   the four central characters here or you [TS]

00:32:53   knew one of the four central characters [TS]

00:32:54   were trying not to be one of the four [TS]

00:32:56   central characters in this thing because [TS]

00:32:59   they the the prophetess Iike it was [TS]

00:33:03   produced by and beats was a former [TS]

00:33:05   writer on Saturday Night Live so they do [TS]

00:33:07   you get things like [TS]

00:33:08   Estep suggest episodes with Bill Murray [TS]

00:33:10   devo played one of the characters bar [TS]

00:33:13   mitzvahs during an episode so it any [TS]

00:33:16   sitcom that has Divo as a guest star [TS]

00:33:18   ok that's gonna that's gonna be a great [TS]

00:33:20   one I was thinking about clerks the [TS]

00:33:23   animated series also pretty brilliant [TS]

00:33:25   446 episode run [TS]

00:33:27   yeah and I was pretty shocked that they [TS]

00:33:28   got candy i think what they aired one [TS]

00:33:30   episode and then didn't air like any of [TS]

00:33:32   this is they produced that was gonna be [TS]

00:33:34   a hard show itself that's true because [TS]

00:33:36   if it really was like the flag that [TS]

00:33:38   clerks the movie you know the original [TS]

00:33:40   movie all those characters they expanded [TS]

00:33:42   they expanded the show by having like a [TS]

00:33:45   Leonardo the evil like land developer [TS]

00:33:47   who runs the old town we are two girls [TS]

00:33:50   in corozal 22i know Alan Rickman don't [TS]

00:33:53   know I thought I don't overthink it [TS]

00:33:56   because he had that wonderful voice and [TS]

00:33:58   it's also it's also a good one to pick [TS]

00:34:00   up not only because it's kevin smith for [TS]

00:34:02   production but also every city there are [TS]

00:34:06   voluminous commentary tracks on every [TS]

00:34:09   episode so it's sort of like everyone is [TS]

00:34:11   where there's a smart cast with your [TS]

00:34:13   arms also watching a cartoon while [TS]

00:34:15   you're listening to the smodcast but i [TS]

00:34:18   really felt as though I couldn't [TS]

00:34:20   although i was prepared to defend big [TS]

00:34:22   bang theory I don't get it if we're [TS]

00:34:25   talking for talking about Kiki sitcoms [TS]

00:34:27   you really have to start in the list [TS]

00:34:29   with futurama I don't think there's ever [TS]

00:34:31   been a television show as geeky as [TS]

00:34:34   futurama in terms of how deep a lot of [TS]

00:34:39   these references go where bender the [TS]

00:34:41   robot drinks old a bear called old [TS]

00:34:43   fortran they have an entire episode [TS]

00:34:46   that's based on what if the future and [TS]

00:34:48   the universe was done as a 32-bit or [TS]

00:34:51   8-bit video game so all the animation is [TS]

00:34:53   done like an 8-bit graphics there is an [TS]

00:34:56   entire episode so I had a I had to go [TS]

00:35:00   look this up so let's let the record [TS]

00:35:01   show that i am a consulting reference [TS]

00:35:04   for this but they did an entire episode [TS]

00:35:07   that you've seen you've seen the idea of [TS]

00:35:11   a body swap like sort of a sitcom plot [TS]

00:35:14   before like in science fiction and stuff [TS]

00:35:16   like that [TS]

00:35:17   this one to the the joke here is that [TS]

00:35:19   all the cast of characters keep like [TS]

00:35:20   doing body swap to get [TS]

00:35:21   I was little jams until like they don't [TS]

00:35:23   know how to end that there's a [TS]

00:35:25   limitation on the machine where once [TS]

00:35:26   someone has been swapped once they can't [TS]

00:35:28   swap again to someone who's already been [TS]

00:35:30   swamped and so because one of their [TS]

00:35:32   riders and here's more Greek credibility [TS]

00:35:34   greater credibility one of the writers [TS]

00:35:36   is actually a PhD mathematician he came [TS]

00:35:40   up with an entire mathematical proof [TS]

00:35:42   proving that under the limitations of [TS]

00:35:44   this machine there is never any point [TS]

00:35:46   under which it is impossible to put [TS]

00:35:48   everybody back in their original bodies [TS]

00:35:50   using a maximum number of bringing into [TS]

00:35:53   people from the outside who have never [TS]

00:35:54   been swapped before and this actual [TS]

00:35:57   proof they don't think that's not like [TS]

00:35:58   that's not like a joke element of the [TS]

00:36:00   plot it is an actual worked out proof [TS]

00:36:03   that actually is actually displayed on a [TS]

00:36:05   chalkboard so if you are a PhD [TS]

00:36:07   mathematician you would look at that [TS]

00:36:08   chalkboard and say gosh darn it that it [TS]

00:36:11   that does actually work out a freeze [TS]

00:36:13   frame that on my blu ray/dvd I've wasted [TS]

00:36:15   two days of my life confirming it but [TS]

00:36:16   yes I'm willing to kind i'm willing to [TS]

00:36:19   judge this paper and and Ben and and [TS]

00:36:22   certify the UN fact our doctor but on [TS]

00:36:25   top of all the really like cool and [TS]

00:36:28   funny surface references i sometimes I [TS]

00:36:32   i'm a big fan of the show and sometimes [TS]

00:36:34   I have a hard time convincing myself [TS]

00:36:36   that there's ever been a better animated [TS]

00:36:38   series ever because in terms of the [TS]

00:36:41   quality being consistent for episode [TS]

00:36:43   episode also in terms of the writers the [TS]

00:36:46   producers never shying away from doing [TS]

00:36:48   something the really really hard way [TS]

00:36:51   where you can see we're family guy they [TS]

00:36:54   would do do is really stupid obvious [TS]

00:36:56   retreaded joke and get out of there with [TS]

00:36:58   the simpsons still a funny show i'm [TS]

00:37:00   still a fan but they would figure out [TS]

00:37:02   that oh man we really don't want to get [TS]

00:37:04   involved in this do we so let's just [TS]

00:37:06   pursue this for five minutes and find a [TS]

00:37:08   way to abort and go on to the next thing [TS]

00:37:10   futurama with my favorite episodes of [TS]

00:37:12   future of not just futurama but any TV [TS]

00:37:15   sitcom ever a TV show ever was a [TS]

00:37:17   so-called God fellas where the joke is [TS]

00:37:20   that bender the robot gets shot out into [TS]

00:37:21   space like towards the Sun and he's been [TS]

00:37:24   the the Planet Express crew feel so he's [TS]

00:37:27   lost forever because he's just been shot [TS]

00:37:29   way the hell of a deep space that they [TS]

00:37:30   don't know where he is and I know how to [TS]

00:37:31   get back to him [TS]

00:37:32   and meanwhile microbes on his robot body [TS]

00:37:35   have started to like grow and evolve [TS]

00:37:37   into sentient like tiny tiny microscopic [TS]

00:37:39   beings and they regard bender as a god [TS]

00:37:41   and that's a good setup for about 5-10 [TS]

00:37:43   minutes of jokes about okay well bender [TS]

00:37:45   the most selfish creation of the entire [TS]

00:37:47   worth of course he's going to have the [TS]

00:37:48   load while I'm where I am your god I [TS]

00:37:50   demand that you build a brewery so that [TS]

00:37:52   I can have beer to drink while I'm lost [TS]

00:37:54   in space but they go through all those [TS]

00:37:56   sort of sort of things but then they pay [TS]

00:37:58   off to the end where the colony sort of [TS]

00:38:00   kills himself because divided into [TS]

00:38:03   factions because i don't think they [TS]

00:38:04   don't agree on how best to worship [TS]

00:38:05   bender and he realizes that arm and I [TS]

00:38:08   tried to like rescue them i tried to [TS]

00:38:10   save them nothing works then he finally [TS]

00:38:11   winds up almost at the end of the [TS]

00:38:13   universe confronting it incidentally [TS]

00:38:16   confronting feature that creature that [TS]

00:38:18   may or may not be God and this creature [TS]

00:38:21   toxin binary code so was a bender can [TS]

00:38:24   understand them and they have a Congress [TS]

00:38:25   and obviously he's been in this God [TS]

00:38:27   business a lot longer than vendor has [TS]

00:38:29   and as well you know yeah I know you [TS]

00:38:31   tried but sometimes the best thing to do [TS]

00:38:32   is if you use a light hand and sometimes [TS]

00:38:36   if you if you know if you know you've [TS]

00:38:37   been doing your job well they'll even [TS]

00:38:39   questioned even exist to begin with and [TS]

00:38:41   at the end of the end it by the end of [TS]

00:38:42   the episode you realize that my goodness [TS]

00:38:44   this is like a whole year course in [TS]

00:38:46   theology and this is everything this is [TS]

00:38:49   everything investment because like every [TS]

00:38:52   single heavy discussion about the nature [TS]

00:38:53   of God and why it's not necessary to [TS]

00:38:56   know that there is absolute proof of God [TS]

00:38:58   to suspect that a God exists [TS]

00:39:00   you know what what is that what is the [TS]

00:39:02   sort of God that you would believe in [TS]

00:39:03   what you believe that there is a God [TS]

00:39:05   that simply doesn't want to get involved [TS]

00:39:06   it is very much a a day instead of a [TS]

00:39:09   theist version of God the fact that i [TS]

00:39:11   know the difference between days and [TS]

00:39:12   theism can use them in this episode [TS]

00:39:13   demonstrates how much work they put into [TS]

00:39:16   like actually prosecuting every idea to [TS]

00:39:18   its fullest so from surface level stuff [TS]

00:39:21   24 found turn off the TV and wonder [TS]

00:39:24   about the existence of it all stuff I [TS]

00:39:26   really don't think there's ever going to [TS]

00:39:27   be no the TV show that can at least top [TS]

00:39:29   it so we're going i will promise this to [TS]

00:39:33   the great incomparable listing onions we [TS]

00:39:35   will do a whole episode about futurama [TS]

00:39:36   at a later date and Glenn's Fleischman [TS]

00:39:39   is crying somewhere that and he just [TS]

00:39:42   spent all this time talking about [TS]

00:39:43   futurama and Glenn's not on the podcast [TS]

00:39:45   because [TS]

00:39:45   his favorite show so we will do a whole [TS]

00:39:47   we were talking about futurama episode [TS]

00:39:50   and now I'm i found somebody else who [TS]

00:39:51   could be a guest at haha are also i [TS]

00:39:54   should say that I i previously [TS]

00:39:56   disqualify the animated series and [TS]

00:39:58   therefore i would bring down the hammer [TS]

00:39:59   and disqualify any here except i have [TS]

00:40:01   with allowing Scott to talk about mst3k [TS]

00:40:04   which isn't even a sitcom not completely [TS]

00:40:06   lost control of the podcast so I give up [TS]

00:40:08   great and thank you for picking futurama [TS]

00:40:10   so i wanted to talk about their to [TS]

00:40:13   sometimes I want to bring up one is the [TS]

00:40:14   one that I'm going to I'm going to [TS]

00:40:15   promote here and then I think I think we [TS]

00:40:17   we do need to actually discuss the other [TS]

00:40:19   one before we go so community [TS]

00:40:23   yeah I have to bring up and of course as [TS]

00:40:27   we all know now community has a we got [TS]

00:40:30   the one-two punch of community being [TS]

00:40:34   renewed for a fourth season to get it up [TS]

00:40:37   to a more syndicated below number of [TS]

00:40:40   episodes and as a part of that they also [TS]

00:40:43   fired the Dan Harmon who is the creator [TS]

00:40:45   and showrunner and sort of the madman [TS]

00:40:49   who made that show presumably made that [TS]

00:40:51   show what it was and replaced him with [TS]

00:40:53   some other guys who I'm sure going to [TS]

00:40:56   try their very best to make a funny show [TS]

00:40:58   but are not the guy who essentially made [TS]

00:41:01   it was so yay and boo but I regardless [TS]

00:41:06   of what happens in that fourth season of [TS]

00:41:08   community we have the first three and [TS]

00:41:12   this is a show that on one level is I [TS]

00:41:15   mean it is a geeky show in that it [TS]

00:41:18   always had popular culture references [TS]

00:41:20   from day one the first episode is the [TS]

00:41:23   breakfast club references especially [TS]

00:41:25   come fast and furious and so it always [TS]

00:41:28   had a referential nerdy kind of approach [TS]

00:41:31   but and of course the character of our [TS]

00:41:33   bed is from the beginning a giant media [TS]

00:41:36   nerd and and makes lots of cultural [TS]

00:41:39   references himself but over the course [TS]

00:41:41   of the three years this is a show that [TS]

00:41:43   did one of the very best depictions of [TS]

00:41:46   dungeons and dragons in television [TS]

00:41:48   yes in the episode advanced dungeons and [TS]

00:41:51   dragons as every episode is named sort [TS]

00:41:54   of like a college course what else do [TS]

00:41:57   they do they did remedial chaos theory [TS]

00:41:59   the third season which is the episode [TS]

00:42:01   where the rolling of ass excited dye [TS]

00:42:03   leads to seven different timelines from [TS]

00:42:07   the darkest timeline where I had and [TS]

00:42:11   horrible garden gnome is eaten by one of [TS]

00:42:15   the characters while it's on fire and [TS]

00:42:17   somebody's arm gets cut off and people [TS]

00:42:19   are burned and it's terrible [TS]

00:42:21   all to just did to the one that ends up [TS]

00:42:24   becoming me with the real time line at [TS]

00:42:27   the end which is much nicer timeline [TS]

00:42:29   because Joel McHale character is sent to [TS]

00:42:31   the pizza guy instead of everyone else [TS]

00:42:33   going to the piece of pizza guy great [TS]

00:42:35   fantastic episode don't forget the 8-bit [TS]

00:42:39   8-bit video game episode right with you [TS]

00:42:42   a game episode [TS]

00:42:43   yeah so good so unsurprisingly out of [TS]

00:42:46   nowhere good and cribs its plot from [TS]

00:42:48   ready player one [TS]

00:42:49   yeah things you actually about indeed a [TS]

00:42:52   better a better depiction of ready [TS]

00:42:54   player one only one who like that [TS]

00:42:57   ready player one sorry I seasons of [TS]

00:43:00   paintball fighting the ball and first [TS]

00:43:02   one of the greatest action movie oh ma [TS]

00:43:04   jizz ever ever done [TS]

00:43:06   yes my generation pass christmas special [TS]

00:43:11   my dinner with Abed yeah yeah the [TS]

00:43:13   recurring Inspector Spacetime which is [TS]

00:43:15   it about as loving a doctor who [TS]

00:43:18   oh my gosh as one would ever expect to [TS]

00:43:20   find on mainstream american television [TS]

00:43:22   and of course the Dreamatorium which [TS]

00:43:24   makes all things three-minute Orion [TS]

00:43:26   which is the holodeck is a room painted [TS]

00:43:28   like the next generation holodeck where [TS]

00:43:30   Troy and Abed I have their own imaginary [TS]

00:43:35   playtime and then there's the episode [TS]

00:43:38   where any and all better in the [TS]

00:43:41   Dreamatorium right that he's which is [TS]

00:43:43   one of those last episodes so you know I [TS]

00:43:46   I don't know they're so so much [TS]

00:43:48   there is so much because it is their [TS]

00:43:50   individual episodes that go over the top [TS]

00:43:52   and then sprinkled throughout just [TS]

00:43:54   incredible number of of funny references [TS]

00:43:57   a never never get the sense that the [TS]

00:44:01   show is full is laughing at the [TS]

00:44:06   nerdiness as much as embracing it and [TS]

00:44:08   loving it and it and it's a show with a [TS]

00:44:12   with a [TS]

00:44:13   a good heart or at least as good a harsh [TS]

00:44:15   a show can have when Chevy Chase is on [TS]

00:44:18   it 00 [TS]

00:44:21   the thing I really like about this show [TS]

00:44:23   is that at its heart you basically have [TS]

00:44:26   a bunch of archetypal characters [TS]

00:44:27   I mean you get them flushed out to a [TS]

00:44:29   certain extent but I episode to episode [TS]

00:44:32   the theme of the group was more or less [TS]

00:44:34   the same already did [TS]

00:44:35   there are these people who have come [TS]

00:44:37   together by sort of uh unwilling means [TS]

00:44:40   and have developed sort of a community [TS]

00:44:42   and if hey and a friendship from that [TS]

00:44:45   and and I when I first started watching [TS]

00:44:49   the show in the back of my head first [TS]

00:44:52   thought was I do not understand how this [TS]

00:44:55   show keeps on being on television but i [TS]

00:44:56   love it and then the second thought was [TS]

00:44:59   basically they're just taking these [TS]

00:45:01   characters and throwing them into the [TS]

00:45:03   wackiest different situation they can [TS]

00:45:06   per episode and if you look at it almost [TS]

00:45:09   as like a you know [TS]

00:45:11   clapping clapping characters in [TS]

00:45:13   different situations and be like alright [TS]

00:45:14   play with this see how this goes [TS]

00:45:17   let's have fun it's it's not as if this [TS]

00:45:19   sitcom it didn't work as a sitcom there [TS]

00:45:22   are episodes that are very much more [TS]

00:45:25   mainstream because they went off format [TS]

00:45:27   a lot but they also stayed on format [TS]

00:45:29   alot and those episodes are good too and [TS]

00:45:31   have funny interesting and I'm kind of [TS]

00:45:33   geeky things to talk about to so it [TS]

00:45:35   wasn't as if this is a show i'm talking [TS]

00:45:37   about in past tense it you know it it's [TS]

00:45:40   it will be back without Dan Harmon but [TS]

00:45:42   it wasn't fair it's more like the fourth [TS]

00:45:45   season of coupling but that was actually [TS]

00:45:48   often actually did the fourth season of [TS]

00:45:49   coupling so I don't think we can say [TS]

00:45:51   that I what I thought mentioned coupling [TS]

00:45:53   to anyway so so but the show it didn't [TS]

00:45:56   just work when it when it did the crazy [TS]

00:45:58   weird episodes i think i think that the [TS]

00:45:59   characters were strong and and for a [TS]

00:46:02   show with seven a sitcom with seven [TS]

00:46:04   characters one of the amazing things [TS]

00:46:06   about community is that I think you can [TS]

00:46:08   draw a line between all any of those two [TS]

00:46:11   characters and seis if you watch the [TS]

00:46:13   first three seasons and say something [TS]

00:46:14   about the relationship between those [TS]

00:46:16   characters that it's not as if you know [TS]

00:46:18   those characters are dynamic and they [TS]

00:46:20   they have an interesting interaction [TS]

00:46:21   with every other member of the ensemble [TS]

00:46:23   which is hard to do i think especially [TS]

00:46:25   in a [TS]

00:46:26   sitcom with as many wacky things in it [TS]

00:46:29   and I appreciate the that as israel says [TS]

00:46:31   you know the love these characters [TS]

00:46:32   started is kind of you know archetypes [TS]

00:46:34   are shades if you want to be less [TS]

00:46:36   generous personally my favorite [TS]

00:46:39   character but i think is involved the [TS]

00:46:41   most since the beginning is Troy who [TS]

00:46:43   started out as very much sort of the [TS]

00:46:44   jock character yeah he was the captain [TS]

00:46:46   of the football team right go to contend [TS]

00:46:48   and that is you know you see how that he [TS]

00:46:50   develops through three seasons and [TS]

00:46:52   especially when they get him to the [TS]

00:46:53   point where he and Abed basically become [TS]

00:46:56   you know best buddies and the [TS]

00:46:58   relationship between the two of them [TS]

00:46:59   ends up being I think one of the sort of [TS]

00:47:02   at the heart of the show in many ways [TS]

00:47:05   trying to bed in the morning [TS]

00:47:09   it just it is a it is a fantastic show [TS]

00:47:11   so if there's anybody out there who has [TS]

00:47:13   not seen community just go I i believe [TS]

00:47:17   that the first season's I don't know if [TS]

00:47:19   it's on netflix the first seasons on [TS]

00:47:20   itunes for cheap the other two aren't [TS]

00:47:23   cheap but the first one super cheap and [TS]

00:47:24   it's great great show you do you think [TS]

00:47:27   the bizarreness sometimes because it [TS]

00:47:29   makes it hard to find an entry point for [TS]

00:47:30   the series because that was the problem [TS]

00:47:32   i had with that I don't think it's a bad [TS]

00:47:34   series at all it's just that I think I [TS]

00:47:36   might have seen like you know how it is [TS]

00:47:37   like you just see cats like the last 10 [TS]

00:47:39   minutes of something with the last five [TS]

00:47:40   minutes or something while you're like [TS]

00:47:42   you know because your DVR with a little [TS]

00:47:43   bit too long or whatever or you just got [TS]

00:47:46   you know nothing to do on thursday [TS]

00:47:47   nights you have to catch what happened [TS]

00:47:48   to catch and it just never just never [TS]

00:47:50   got into it because I really couldn't [TS]

00:47:52   understand what I was seeing so i didn't [TS]

00:47:55   i didn't make any sort of a judgment on [TS]

00:47:56   it but it really made it more difficult [TS]

00:47:57   for me to say oh I really get that go [TS]

00:48:00   that's a really cool character wow I [TS]

00:48:01   really like how unpredictable that twist [TS]

00:48:04   was I just didn't figure it out enough [TS]

00:48:06   to want to see the next out so i think [TS]

00:48:08   that's one of the problems with the [TS]

00:48:09   show's accessibility I think that's one [TS]

00:48:11   of the reasons that number has had great [TS]

00:48:12   ratings and I i think as great as those [TS]

00:48:14   off format episodes are they [TS]

00:48:17   I don't know how accessible they are [TS]

00:48:19   they they they benefit greatly from you [TS]

00:48:21   knowing what the characters are and and [TS]

00:48:23   they can be quite bizarre and and the [TS]

00:48:25   first season has many more on format [TS]

00:48:27   episodes I do feel like at the end of [TS]

00:48:30   the first season they did the the [TS]

00:48:31   paintball episode and I felt like that [TS]

00:48:33   was a turning point in that they decided [TS]

00:48:35   this was great and they were going to do [TS]

00:48:37   more like that and the good news is [TS]

00:48:39   they're off format episodes generally [TS]

00:48:42   were great and not bad but they were [TS]

00:48:44   weird and off off the format you know it [TS]

00:48:47   could have gone really wrong where they [TS]

00:48:50   just decided in the third season there's [TS]

00:48:51   a point when they went on hiatus where I [TS]

00:48:53   feel like they just said they didn't [TS]

00:48:54   care anymore just gonna go too far as [TS]

00:48:56   far off the the plot as they as they [TS]

00:48:59   could and they wouldn't care but I think [TS]

00:49:01   that's a lie i think that harms its [TS]

00:49:03   accessibility to to have these kind of [TS]

00:49:06   bizarre tangential episodes but uh if [TS]

00:49:09   you if you start from the beginning I [TS]

00:49:11   think you would be rewarded it's a very [TS]

00:49:13   very very smart and funny show [TS]

00:49:15   I'm suddenly cursing myself because [TS]

00:49:17   talking about this way maybe suddenly [TS]

00:49:19   remember chris elliott and get a life [TS]

00:49:22   haha [TS]

00:49:23   because that which would be a good pick [TS]

00:49:25   for a blitz not getting so that's [TS]

00:49:26   another like half hour and of itself but [TS]

00:49:28   it had the exact same problem i love [TS]

00:49:30   that show was a wonderful show it was so [TS]

00:49:32   hard for [TS]

00:49:34   if you didn't know the chris elliott [TS]

00:49:35   character and also if you also didn't [TS]

00:49:37   know like bees the son of bob elliott [TS]

00:49:40   who he himself like it's part of Bob and [TS]

00:49:42   Ray if you didn't understand the whole [TS]

00:49:44   premise of bobbin raise comedy it's hard [TS]

00:49:47   to really get into it understand why are [TS]

00:49:49   these two guys to radio guys just having [TS]

00:49:51   a conversation about light bulbs why is [TS]

00:49:53   this so hysterically funny why are you [TS]

00:49:55   laughing at this you could you don't [TS]

00:49:56   understand is Bob and Ray there's [TS]

00:49:58   totally deconstructing this that ad you [TS]

00:50:01   laugh about like by-the-numbers sitcoms [TS]

00:50:04   but they really do make it easy for you [TS]

00:50:07   to figure out [TS]

00:50:07   orient yourself and figure out okay I [TS]

00:50:10   know what they're doing here [TS]

00:50:11   ok this is actually good for us for what [TS]

00:50:12   they're doing I remember stumbling on an [TS]

00:50:14   episode of get a life and and it was I [TS]

00:50:16   mean I knew Chris Elliott was from david [TS]

00:50:18   letterman bedroom it's an episode where [TS]

00:50:20   at the end he's sitting waiting for [TS]

00:50:22   somebody like outside of gate and and it [TS]

00:50:24   should show that keeps dissolving and he [TS]

00:50:26   gets old and then he's a skeleton at the [TS]

00:50:28   end of the episode he's dead he died the [TS]

00:50:31   idea about what two-thirds of the [TS]

00:50:32   episode yeah the crazy so so should we [TS]

00:50:37   talk about the big bang theory because I [TS]

00:50:39   but I feel like it's the elephant in the [TS]

00:50:40   room that therein in the chat room we [TS]

00:50:42   have people saying i can't wait for them [TS]

00:50:44   to to tear apart the big bang theory and [TS]

00:50:46   I i don't know i mean it is the show [TS]

00:50:48   that's about geeks and and geek culture [TS]

00:50:51   it is a sitcom [TS]

00:50:53   where the the four main characters four [TS]

00:50:56   of the five main characters i guess we [TS]

00:50:58   should say or 47 now are our geeky [TS]

00:51:03   gentlemen and and so I you know the [TS]

00:51:09   pilot i'll say this the pilot of the big [TS]

00:51:11   bang theory is maybe the worst sitcom [TS]

00:51:13   pilot I've ever seen ISIL I saw although [TS]

00:51:17   I saw the original pilot I they may have [TS]

00:51:19   actually shot some of it by i saw at the [TS]

00:51:21   summer the summer before it went on the [TS]

00:51:23   air i saw the original pilot was very [TS]

00:51:25   bad and yet I have to say having watched [TS]

00:51:30   a guy i think a tune back in later in [TS]

00:51:32   the first season after heard some people [TS]

00:51:33   praising it actually like the show I [TS]

00:51:35   actually think it's a perfectly good [TS]

00:51:36   serviceable CBS films in front of a live [TS]

00:51:41   studio audience [TS]

00:51:42   you know mainstream ish sitcom and I [TS]

00:51:46   don't think it I i I'd think it has more [TS]

00:51:50   love toward nerdiness and then it then [TS]

00:51:55   it it sort of makes them out to be the [TS]

00:51:59   butt of jokes i think there's more [TS]

00:52:00   affection too and i think it humanizes [TS]

00:52:02   them i think and i think there are lots [TS]

00:52:05   of very funny nerdy references in the [TS]

00:52:08   show which wouldn't I if this was [TS]

00:52:10   something that was a sanded down [TS]

00:52:12   no smart references just really using [TS]

00:52:16   these guys is as geeks to laugh at I [TS]

00:52:18   would feel differently about it but I [TS]

00:52:19   actually think for what it is which is a [TS]

00:52:21   very mainstream CBS sitcom I actually I [TS]

00:52:25   I like I I still watch it i have seen [TS]

00:52:27   every episode of that show i will i will [TS]

00:52:29   say I'm on I'm on the flipside only seen [TS]

00:52:31   like two episodes ever and mostly things [TS]

00:52:34   I just caught by accident [TS]

00:52:36   do not do not recall laughing at [TS]

00:52:39   everything much anything I saw in there [TS]

00:52:41   and also I don't know I i did not feel [TS]

00:52:44   that the show seemed as affectionate to [TS]

00:52:45   me in some ways not that it was mocking [TS]

00:52:47   doesn't like lead and well it's [TS]

00:52:49   impossible but it felt a little bit like [TS]

00:52:51   felt a little bit like ready player one [TS]

00:52:53   in that he was well I mean in that it [TS]

00:52:56   was kinda geeky and clearly the people [TS]

00:52:58   writing it had some you know had some [TS]

00:53:00   fondness for the subject matter but the [TS]

00:53:02   same time just trying too hard [TS]

00:53:04   I think [TS]

00:53:05   well it has it has the problem of the a [TS]

00:53:07   lot of seconds by the producer in that I [TS]

00:53:10   know there's gonna be at least five [TS]

00:53:12   crotch jokes i'm just not going to enjoy [TS]

00:53:15   it all [TS]

00:53:16   we just sort of see that drone coming [TS]

00:53:17   and saying oh god is going to be a [TS]

00:53:19   premature ejaculation joke here we just [TS]

00:53:21   get it over with let's move on to [TS]

00:53:22   something more from but i I've heard a [TS]

00:53:25   lot of complaints that it makes fun of [TS]

00:53:27   geeks instead of like making making [TS]

00:53:29   jokes from within that community and i [TS]

00:53:32   honestly believe that if you feel as if [TS]

00:53:35   you feel as though a geek can't take a [TS]

00:53:37   punch [TS]

00:53:38   stay inside on your comforter with your [TS]

00:53:41   inhaler and just being protective little [TS]

00:53:43   bit you that it's I think it's a [TS]

00:53:45   positive thing that it's okay to make [TS]

00:53:47   fun of this part of humanity that were [TS]

00:53:50   that were that much a that were there [TS]

00:53:53   that the prominent member of society [TS]

00:53:56   that we can be made fun of just like you [TS]

00:53:59   know the the just like the job can be [TS]

00:54:02   made fun of just because just like the [TS]

00:54:04   the elite rich snobby made fun of and [TS]

00:54:07   also i really do think that mostly humor [TS]

00:54:08   does come from a good place where they [TS]

00:54:10   will go for some of the cheap jokes from [TS]

00:54:12   time to time but at the same time you [TS]

00:54:16   know let's deliver the Leonard is really [TS]

00:54:20   the emotional core the intellectual core [TS]

00:54:22   of the entire show in that he you know [TS]

00:54:25   he does he does have a problem digesting [TS]

00:54:27   digesting dairy products but he's also [TS]

00:54:29   the guy who really will reach out to [TS]

00:54:31   other characters and help them along [TS]

00:54:32   he's the guy who is it's not just oh I'm [TS]

00:54:35   an area i can't have I will Pyun after [TS]

00:54:37   the blood across the room across the [TS]

00:54:38   hall but I will never be able to cook do [TS]

00:54:40   follow through anything because i'm such [TS]

00:54:42   a nerd [TS]

00:54:43   no he actually you know goes through [TS]

00:54:45   what he thinks his weaknesses are he [TS]

00:54:46   also defends himself for his strengths [TS]

00:54:50   army with he was proud of the fact that [TS]

00:54:51   he will argue about our argument a movie [TS]

00:54:54   or argue about certain complex character [TS]

00:54:56   and I i just and it's just a lot of [TS]

00:54:59   really good smart humor and top of it [TS]

00:55:01   the the scene that could the scene that [TS]

00:55:03   really really got me that really got me [TS]

00:55:05   hooked was an opening opening episode [TS]

00:55:09   black up before the first commercial in [TS]

00:55:11   which they've all got the whiteboard out [TS]

00:55:12   there trying to solve the problem of [TS]

00:55:14   which will how can all fall for them [TS]

00:55:17   find a movie theater that can says that [TS]

00:55:19   as the movie movie they want to play the [TS]

00:55:21   right THX sound system the right kandi [TS]

00:55:23   the right everything so that everything [TS]

00:55:25   all these variables can be conglomerated [TS]

00:55:27   a solution to be found and announcements [TS]

00:55:29   diagrams are being discharged being done [TS]

00:55:31   and then suddenly letter just said look [TS]

00:55:33   at the port says you know there really [TS]

00:55:36   is only one solution to this problem and [TS]

00:55:38   need silence CSC Sheldon another three [TS]

00:55:41   of them leave and leave them behind [TS]

00:55:42   realize that Sheldon is the reason why [TS]

00:55:43   they can't figure out how to do that so [TS]

00:55:45   as as the audience is laughing and [TS]

00:55:47   shoulders watching the retreat he looks [TS]

00:55:48   back to the board and he just says [TS]

00:55:50   you're absolutely right there for this [TS]

00:55:51   really was the only solution available [TS]

00:55:53   yet you know it's and the show is [TS]

00:55:57   evolved to I the the characters are are [TS]

00:56:03   not kind of encased in amber like yet [TS]

00:56:05   like different of the word season one [TS]

00:56:06   yesterday that they've evolved except [TS]

00:56:09   for shelter but you're right but that's [TS]

00:56:10   his deal and even even he has evolved to [TS]

00:56:11   a certain extent but it's you know it [TS]

00:56:14   it's an interesting dynamic the adding [TS]

00:56:16   the other women characters and i think [TS]

00:56:18   is actually a I'm fascinated by a short [TS]

00:56:21   I sort of feel like they've created a [TS]

00:56:23   parallel show within their own show with [TS]

00:56:26   a with the the women characters [TS]

00:56:27   interacting with each other as well as [TS]

00:56:29   the men and the women and their [TS]

00:56:31   relationships together that it's it's [TS]

00:56:34   really taking me by surprise because [TS]

00:56:35   like i said i saw the pilot I thought it [TS]

00:56:36   was bad [TS]

00:56:37   I for whatever reason heard that it [TS]

00:56:39   wasn't may be so bad and tuned in and [TS]

00:56:42   have been witnessed it evolved you know [TS]

00:56:45   again I don't want to give it a [TS]

00:56:46   backhanded compliment by saying it you [TS]

00:56:48   know it's a mainstream to come it is in [TS]

00:56:50   that format and yet within that format i [TS]

00:56:52   think it does a lot very well and is is [TS]

00:56:55   you know generally respectful the the [TS]

00:56:58   references they make are right the [TS]

00:57:00   things that the the characters care [TS]

00:57:03   about that are geeky whether it's comics [TS]

00:57:06   or TV or or video games that you know [TS]

00:57:09   there are things that that geeky people [TS]

00:57:11   actually do care about and to argue [TS]

00:57:14   about and they don't resolve them [TS]

00:57:17   incorrectly there there are like with [TS]

00:57:19   futurama where there are insanely nerdy [TS]

00:57:23   things that are right like what [TS]

00:57:24   including diagrams on a chalkboard big [TS]

00:57:28   bang theory [TS]

00:57:28   we you know it feels like it gets that [TS]

00:57:30   stuff right and it it and a it would be [TS]

00:57:34   very easy to not care and get it wrong [TS]

00:57:36   and go for things that were incredibly [TS]

00:57:38   broad and wrong because we're really [TS]

00:57:40   just laughing at these people and it [TS]

00:57:42   doesn't do that so so much to my [TS]

00:57:43   surprise I have to say it is and you [TS]

00:57:46   know continues to be a pretty a pretty [TS]

00:57:49   good show i think it may be the only [TS]

00:57:51   completely standard multi-camera sitcom [TS]

00:57:55   show that i watch in family at this [TS]

00:57:57   point i would start just throw out a [TS]

00:57:59   corresponding one which is also a CVS [TS]

00:58:02   multi-camera I'm that i would argue is [TS]

00:58:04   fairly geeky which is how i met your [TS]

00:58:05   mother [TS]

00:58:06   yeah it's it's like it's it you know [TS]

00:58:11   what I think how i met your mother is [TS]

00:58:12   geeky because it's a sitcom with [TS]

00:58:14   continuity [TS]

00:58:14   well it's also how I mean to be fair [TS]

00:58:17   they had an entire episode that's about [TS]

00:58:19   watching that's about watching the Star [TS]

00:58:21   Wars trilogy [TS]

00:58:22   I'm sorry entire episode about that they [TS]

00:58:24   have many many episodes only marriage [TS]

00:58:25   like Star Wars so well I mean but like [TS]

00:58:28   that that make an appointment to watch [TS]

00:58:30   it every three years and they mark their [TS]

00:58:33   life I've ever what happened every time [TS]

00:58:34   they watch the Star Wars trilogy and at [TS]

00:58:36   one point Ted like wants to break up [TS]

00:58:38   with a girl who hasn't seen Star Wars I [TS]

00:58:40   mean you know it's not super geeky but I [TS]

00:58:42   think there are a lot of geeky [TS]

00:58:44   references in you know and it in some [TS]

00:58:47   ways it some more [TS]

00:58:48   it's a less stereotypical version of [TS]

00:58:51   geekery which is to say they do geeky [TS]

00:58:53   things but they are not necessarily [TS]

00:58:54   defined by their geekery right although [TS]

00:58:56   actually a real Patrick Harris character [TS]

00:58:59   although he has a lothario and he has a [TS]

00:59:01   stormtrooper he's a gigantic nerd is [TS]

00:59:03   underneath it all [TS]

00:59:05   this is true those the two shows on CBS [TS]

00:59:06   that I had that I want Lincoln with a to [TS]

00:59:08   lincoln with Andy's a comment earlier [TS]

00:59:10   chris elliott also appears as a [TS]

00:59:13   recurring role as alyson hannigan's [TS]

00:59:14   father not to mention back several [TS]

00:59:17   character you know several actors in [TS]

00:59:19   that show who are well known for being [TS]

00:59:21   on extremely geeky television shows such [TS]

00:59:22   as Neil Patrick Harris alyson hannigan [TS]

00:59:25   jason segel you know right that's a [TS]

00:59:28   lotta there's a lot of geek tie-ins with [TS]

00:59:31   that so I I think you could make a [TS]

00:59:34   strong case for yes Jason Segel who is [TS]

00:59:35   in freaks and geeks would be although [TS]

00:59:37   not a sitcom a fantastic show with the [TS]

00:59:39   other i think my other favorite dungeons [TS]

00:59:41   and dry [TS]

00:59:42   hands now reference Carlos work it yes i [TS]

00:59:46   am the designation for me about Kiki [TS]

00:59:49   sitcoms is really if you were to remove [TS]

00:59:52   the geeky elements from the sitcom would [TS]

00:59:55   still be an enjoyable show and would you [TS]

00:59:58   still go out of your way to walk [TS]

00:59:58   still go out of your way to walk [TS]

01:00:00   jet and foremost every one of them on my [TS]

01:00:02   list i could say yeah you take out i [TS]

01:00:04   mean these elements are fun and they [TS]

01:00:06   enrich the experience but you take the [TS]

01:00:09   geek out of community and it's still a [TS]

01:00:11   show about interesting characters who [TS]

01:00:13   happened to have interesting things you [TS]

01:00:15   take the geek out of space and you still [TS]

01:00:18   have you know a group of friends who [TS]

01:00:21   loves each other very much and get into [TS]

01:00:23   shenanigans whether or not they begin [TS]

01:00:25   influence to nature you take the geek [TS]

01:00:27   out of like big bang theory i don't know [TS]

01:00:30   i don't know [TS]

01:00:31   yeah well if you take a geek out a big [TS]

01:00:33   bang theory you have a sitcom about a [TS]

01:00:36   blonde woman from Nebraska who lives in [TS]

01:00:38   an apartment across the hall from an [TS]

01:00:40   empty apartment the less interesting [TS]

01:00:43   have but probably funnier isn't a little [TS]

01:00:46   bit like saying taking taking the army [TS]

01:00:47   out of mesh the worst was the worst [TS]

01:00:51   episodes to master the ones word really [TS]

01:00:52   became hey lets it looks like we work at [TS]

01:00:55   a brewery let's challenge the other [TS]

01:00:56   brewery to a bowling match and [TS]

01:00:58   everything they really did an episode of [TS]

01:00:59   my favorite episode of I Love Laverne [TS]

01:01:01   and Shirley what wide appeal [TS]

01:01:03   Mazel a big bang theory is awful by the [TS]

01:01:06   way so fast haha i want to say yes but [TS]

01:01:09   now let it out Scott let it out let it [TS]

01:01:12   all hang out so i cannot say this [TS]

01:01:14   scientifically since I've only sat [TS]

01:01:16   through four episodes because I felt [TS]

01:01:18   that as a geek I should watch the big [TS]

01:01:20   bang theory which i think is their [TS]

01:01:22   twisted way of getting me to what's [TS]

01:01:26   wrong [TS]

01:01:26   shame on them it is it is shameful and [TS]

01:01:28   it I you know I have no I think it's a [TS]

01:01:30   authentic right they get the geek stuff [TS]

01:01:32   right [TS]

01:01:33   I was I didn't have any nerd rage about [TS]

01:01:35   you know great lanter doesn't wear that [TS]

01:01:39   ring out in when it's al Jordan know [TS]

01:01:41   that was off the table and you didn't [TS]

01:01:43   feel a hey they're making fun of me no I [TS]

01:01:46   just felt like just offended by the [TS]

01:01:47   comedy [TS]

01:01:48   this isn't a joke is absolutely right [TS]

01:01:50   and make a little happy that you had to [TS]

01:01:52   kill it [TS]

01:01:53   except this is this is a choc Lori [TS]

01:01:55   sitcom people it is not good television [TS]

01:01:59   he's related to half man half degree [TS]

01:02:01   here that I have your chocolate factory [TS]

01:02:03   just does not only make bad shows he has [TS]

01:02:05   made good shows too but he invited [TS]

01:02:08   monetary batches and he is not a good [TS]

01:02:12   sitcom [TS]

01:02:12   maker and I think he should be stopped [TS]

01:02:15   yeah he is he has made good sitcom he [TS]

01:02:17   has made good shows and here in the end [TS]

01:02:19   he has made successful shows but he's [TS]

01:02:21   very rarely made both at the same time [TS]

01:02:23   there are you say he is very successful [TS]

01:02:26   people like it i don't know why but I i [TS]

01:02:29   think those people haha that's why [TS]

01:02:32   you're on this despite your headache [TS]

01:02:34   that's why I wanted you want this to [TS]

01:02:35   denounce any positivity about the big [TS]

01:02:38   bang theory the big bag theory is not [TS]

01:02:40   and like I said I we need it gets all [TS]

01:02:42   the facts correct [TS]

01:02:44   I it just is not funny we were just in [TS]

01:02:48   that's very subjective so obviously if [TS]

01:02:50   you think it's funny that that's fine [TS]

01:02:52   you're wrong but you can be my heart if [TS]

01:02:54   you like you just lost more points got [TS]

01:02:56   oh man you're now in the negative [TS]

01:02:59   what else should we before we go what [TS]

01:03:01   else should we mentioned a lot of people [TS]

01:03:03   I I thought we were going to talk about [TS]

01:03:04   the IT crowd which i guess i should [TS]

01:03:07   mention the English sitcom which is [TS]

01:03:09   funny about a latin american version [TS]

01:03:12   oh I I haven't seen the american version [TS]

01:03:14   I I steer clear of American versions of [TS]

01:03:17   English sitcoms but they the english [TS]

01:03:20   version which i think is on netflix is a [TS]

01:03:22   is very funny about a an ID helpdesk was [TS]

01:03:26   not largely helpful in its broadest [TS]

01:03:28   range and and and funny I don't know [TS]

01:03:30   anybody has seen besides me and it's [TS]

01:03:33   kind of only like borderline key but [TS]

01:03:36   there's a british sitcom I saw last year [TS]

01:03:38   called spy know which is about it kind [TS]

01:03:42   of hapless guy who works in like a [TS]

01:03:45   computer shop and decides you know what [TS]

01:03:46   I'm going to quit my job and he goes in [TS]

01:03:48   for what he thinks is a job interview [TS]

01:03:49   and accidentally ended up interviewing [TS]

01:03:51   at a basically like mi5 mi6 or something [TS]

01:03:54   like that and accidentally become a spy [TS]

01:03:57   it's a cute little half hours to common [TS]

01:03:59   ground for like six episodes but i don't [TS]

01:04:03   know maybe think of it because he is [TS]

01:04:04   kind of a hapless geeky guy who just [TS]

01:04:06   happens to end up as a superspy never [TS]

01:04:09   said it comes we are we have a title yet [TS]

01:04:11   for the with young ones coat because [TS]

01:04:13   they were all other away their pump so [TS]

01:04:16   that was it that was that was going to [TS]

01:04:18   go and aired on mtv in in the u.s. that [TS]

01:04:22   that is a great great show i have fond [TS]

01:04:25   memories of the n1 [TS]

01:04:26   them in true English tradition i think [TS]

01:04:28   they were like nine episodes of that [TS]

01:04:29   show right but what is this bizarre idea [TS]

01:04:33   they have about ending a sitcom before [TS]

01:04:34   it starts to stink [TS]

01:04:36   yeah rik mayall and who else is in that [TS]

01:04:39   Alexei Sayle have it out actually think [TS]

01:04:42   that was very much like that community [TS]

01:04:45   in the sense that they were put or or or [TS]

01:04:48   get a life where there's bizarre like [TS]

01:04:50   Alexei Sayle was various characters and [TS]

01:04:53   when he appeared he sort of didn't make [TS]

01:04:54   any sense and was it was non sequitur [TS]

01:04:57   she was almost Monty Python like levels [TS]

01:04:59   of non sequitur asian the middle of [TS]

01:05:01   these these sitcom plots involving these [TS]

01:05:04   penniless college students living in a [TS]

01:05:07   completely did when they just squatting [TS]

01:05:10   and like an abandoned house [TS]

01:05:12   I'm not bitter at student that student [TS]

01:05:13   housing is that they have a landlord mr. [TS]

01:05:15   velovsky also played by alexei sayle I [TS]

01:05:18   i'm reminded of the other show that I [TS]

01:05:20   meant to I meant to mention and didn't [TS]

01:05:22   which is red dwarf which is the only [TS]

01:05:24   real sci-fi Space sitcom I think that [TS]

01:05:27   ever had any success at all and it's [TS]

01:05:30   bizarre and it got bad as it went along [TS]

01:05:33   and they're still making them i think [TS]

01:05:35   now again but but I I i watch that with [TS]

01:05:39   a lot of skepticism and I actually like [TS]

01:05:41   the first few seasons of red dwarf it's [TS]

01:05:43   a very strange broad kind of thing but [TS]

01:05:46   you know I actually kind of like red [TS]

01:05:48   door and get out like two spaceships and [TS]

01:05:51   and made it is a spaceship outer space [TS]

01:05:55   sitcom it is unabashedly a sci-fi to [TS]

01:05:58   come and and Crichton the android played [TS]

01:06:02   by robert Llewellyn who you might also [TS]

01:06:03   know from junkyard wars if you remember [TS]

01:06:06   back in the day LOL i will mention i [TS]

01:06:08   think i mentioned it on our episode [TS]

01:06:10   about shows that got cancelled too fast [TS]

01:06:12   the cartoon show clone high which I [TS]

01:06:16   would argue is also fairly ki-i-i-ng [TS]

01:06:20   anything that out of respect for Jason [TS]

01:06:22   no animation role that anybody I blonde [TS]

01:06:25   the lids off [TS]

01:06:26   I'm sorry but there was not in the [TS]

01:06:28   document that I was presented with as [TS]

01:06:30   the interns for this show clone clone [TS]

01:06:33   high is a good one of the tick is the [TS]

01:06:36   tick an excellent choice animated and [TS]

01:06:38   live-action yeah and the live action [TS]

01:06:39   even if we take the no animated real the [TS]

01:06:41   live action that was a that was a [TS]

01:06:43   half-hour superhero comedy what's Eric [TS]

01:06:48   Andre's that men will that my wealth and [TS]

01:06:52   yes an arthur and the tick later mass no [TS]

01:06:56   well but yes i know i love that I love [TS]

01:06:59   deflator mouse in a cartoon and yet [TS]

01:07:01   batmanuel is also excellent Nestor [TS]

01:07:03   Carbonell is diamond well now with the [TS]

01:07:07   fact that the the look well even though [TS]

01:07:10   was just a pilot start Adam West was [TS]

01:07:12   written by conan o'brien with that [TS]

01:07:13   qualify that as a geeky sitcom was it a [TS]

01:07:17   comedy [TS]

01:07:18   oh hell yeah okay it was Ireland had no [TS]

01:07:22   idea it was a pilot have actually aired [TS]

01:07:24   and it was probably the of the most [TS]

01:07:26   hilariously funny pilot of any sitcom [TS]

01:07:29   that happen to catch i was i was [TS]

01:07:30   actually disappointed that find out that [TS]

01:07:32   was the only one that they would ever [TS]

01:07:34   actually make BB that funnier than heat [TS]

01:07:37   vision and Jack which is my favorite [TS]

01:07:39   pilot that never be that that i guess- [TS]

01:07:41   is the disadvantage with that what is [TS]

01:07:43   that it didn't live up to the it got so [TS]

01:07:45   much hype but to me before I actually [TS]

01:07:47   saw it that didn't live up to it [TS]

01:07:49   Dan Harmon from community brought that [TS]

01:07:51   yes indeed alright well this has been a [TS]

01:07:53   crazy and sometimes quite tangential [TS]

01:07:58   walkthrough many funny things but i [TS]

01:08:00   thought this was great i thought we [TS]

01:08:02   covered a lot of a lot of ground and so [TS]

01:08:05   i'm going to say that we have had enough [TS]

01:08:08   for this episode and i would like to [TS]

01:08:10   thank my excellent guess for being here [TS]

01:08:12   fighting through a headache so that he [TS]

01:08:15   could share his love of of of mystery [TS]

01:08:18   science theater and so that he could [TS]

01:08:20   share his hate of the big bang theory [TS]

01:08:21   Scott McNulty thank you for being here [TS]

01:08:24   I think hate overcame my headache so [TS]

01:08:26   let's go to the lesson to the kids [TS]

01:08:29   I'm glad you're feeling better be [TS]

01:08:30   covered by the haight provided clarity [TS]

01:08:33   in your head that that really is a great [TS]

01:08:35   epitaph for anybody's tombstone he was [TS]

01:08:38   generous and love and generous and hate [TS]

01:08:40   it's true [TS]

01:08:43   ok my hate will ensure that i never dies [TS]

01:08:46   throw the heat keeps you alive it does [TS]

01:08:48   yeah i thought was your hey sweating you [TS]

01:08:54   now and I could thank you for being here [TS]

01:08:57   thank you for having me you are enjoy a [TS]

01:08:59   treasure traces still thank you i [TS]

01:09:01   appreciate you coming on and sharing [TS]

01:09:04   your your love for funny funny things [TS]

01:09:07   even if they were animated Dan Morgan [TS]

01:09:09   thank you [TS]

01:09:10   let's never play again I mean it's great [TS]

01:09:13   to be here Jason yeah and serenity [TS]

01:09:16   called well thank you very much for [TS]

01:09:18   being thank you [TS]

01:09:19   it was lovely and I will close with [TS]

01:09:21   perhaps the weirdest line from spaced [TS]

01:09:24   rabbits rabbits rabbits rabbits rabbits [TS]

01:09:26   rabbits right i guess i need to watch [TS]

01:09:29   more space yeah you did it [TS]

01:09:31   I've only seen at halftime so who I made [TS]

01:09:34   a reference that no one got eyewitness [TS]

01:09:36   podcasts dad got it i think i got it you [TS]

01:09:39   don't count [TS]

01:09:40   well that's true I'm used I'm used to [TS]

01:09:42   that but me [TS]

01:09:44   well in the forest and nobody understood [TS]

01:09:45   it was still hip [TS]

01:09:47   yes I say yes right and I'd like to [TS]

01:09:51   thank our audience for listening and I [TS]

01:09:53   hope maybe we turned onto some new funny [TS]

01:09:56   stuff that you didn't know about before [TS]

01:09:58   until next time I am Jason snow ghost [TS]

01:10:02   being comfortable thanks for listening [TS]

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