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00:00:00   the incomparable part test number 93 too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/0">TS</a>]

00:00:09   well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/9">TS</a>]

00:00:11   welcome back everybody to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/11">TS</a>]

00:00:13   incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/13">TS</a>]

00:00:15   smell this is another edition of our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/15">TS</a>]

00:00:17   book club and I have two participants to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/17">TS</a>]

00:00:20   brave brave participants who are going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/20">TS</a>]

00:00:23   to join me to discuss two novels by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/23">TS</a>]

00:00:27   science fiction writer Paolo Bacigalupi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/27">TS</a>]

00:00:28   I said it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/28">TS</a>]

00:00:31   listen to me look I said his name now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/31">TS</a>]

00:00:33   learned how to pronounce palla bicycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/33">TS</a>]

00:00:35   loop his name because he wrote a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   called the windup girl which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/37">TS</a>]

00:00:38   actually one shared the hugo award a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/38">TS</a>]

00:00:41   couple of years back for best novel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/41">TS</a>]

00:00:44   I loved it and I voted for it and it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/44">TS</a>]

00:00:47   excellent and he also wrote around the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/47">TS</a>]

00:00:50   same time a young adult novel called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/50">TS</a>]

00:00:52   ship breaker which one a whole lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/52">TS</a>]

00:00:54   awards most it was a finalist for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/54">TS</a>]

00:00:57   National Book Award it won the Prince [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/57">TS</a>]

00:00:59   award and the locus award which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/59">TS</a>]

00:01:01   sci-fi award for best young adult book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/61">TS</a>]

00:01:03   is a very very good book and has spawned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/63">TS</a>]

00:01:06   follow-up called the drowned cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/66">TS</a>]

00:01:08   which was released i believe last month [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/68">TS</a>]

00:01:11   very recently so it's a new release so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/71">TS</a>]

00:01:13   these are these are books in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/73">TS</a>]

00:01:15   universe they are not directly connected [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/75">TS</a>]

00:01:19   except for one character which will get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/79">TS</a>]

00:01:22   to but I I think ship breaker is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/82">TS</a>]

00:01:25   fantastic and we have talked about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/85">TS</a>]

00:01:27   briefly on a couple of podcast before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/87">TS</a>]

00:01:29   Scott McNulty who joins me here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/89">TS</a>]

00:01:34   it was the first person to mention this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/94">TS</a>]

00:01:35   book to me and he got me to read it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   he said great things about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/97">TS</a>]

00:01:39   Scott thanks for being here to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/99">TS</a>]

00:01:41   about it a little bit more uh oh I say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/101">TS</a>]

00:01:44   that uh his last name as a bacigalupi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/104">TS</a>]

00:01:46   right be sure i don't know if it's right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/106">TS</a>]

00:01:49   secondly bacigalupi bocce ball except in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/109">TS</a>]

00:01:52   my head whenever I read that's how good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/112">TS</a>]

00:01:54   it sounds a bicycle loopy but I can kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/114">TS</a>]

00:01:56   of soup paci GL UPI is he's uh his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/116">TS</a>]

00:02:02   extraction I believe maybe italian but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/122">TS</a>]

00:02:05   he is is he lives in Colorado he's an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/125">TS</a>]

00:02:07   American who listen color and that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/127">TS</a>]

00:02:09   Voice you heard was serenity caldwell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/129">TS</a>]

00:02:11   who volunteered to read ship breaker and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/131">TS</a>]

00:02:15   also to read the drowned cities which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/135">TS</a>]

00:02:18   in the midst of doing so we will say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/138">TS</a>]

00:02:19   goodbye to her before we talk about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/139">TS</a>]

00:02:21   so that she does not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/141">TS</a>]

00:02:22   that spoiled she can go read it when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/142">TS</a>]

00:02:25   horns for me and where does your sign to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/145">TS</a>]

00:02:27   dive i will i will dive underneath the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/147">TS</a>]

00:02:31   deep seas of my bed covers and read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/151">TS</a>]

00:02:34   rest of the book like a a good reader so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37   the author which now I'm Scott give me a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/157">TS</a>]

00:02:40   complex i'm going to call bicycle loopy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/160">TS</a>]

00:02:41   but whatever you can call him what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/161">TS</a>]

00:02:42   like Colin bacigalupi go ahead a but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/162">TS</a>]

00:02:46   paulo I'll take a loop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/166">TS</a>]

00:02:48   he is he is basically not just a sci-fi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/168">TS</a>]

00:02:50   writer he's like an eco sci-fi writer so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/170">TS</a>]

00:02:54   he writes these books that are about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/174">TS</a>]

00:02:57   their set in a world or or different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/177">TS</a>]

00:03:01   worlds but that they have something in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/181">TS</a>]

00:03:02   common which is this the idea that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/182">TS</a>]

00:03:05   are living in an accelerated age and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/185">TS</a>]

00:03:07   point of peak oil is coming and at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/187">TS</a>]

00:03:10   point there's going to be an energy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/190">TS</a>]

00:03:12   collapse and and bad things are going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/192">TS</a>]

00:03:15   happen to what we think of as modern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/195">TS</a>]

00:03:17   industrialized society and in the windup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/197">TS</a>]

00:03:19   girl we see one version of that and here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/199">TS</a>]

00:03:21   we see we see another where the United [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/201">TS</a>]

00:03:23   States has basically been broken to bits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/203">TS</a>]

00:03:27   by the loss of oil and in ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/207">TS</a>]

00:03:31   we meet nailer and and what they'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/211">TS</a>]

00:03:36   nailer and and his team of people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/216">TS</a>]

00:03:39   are basically running salvage like crew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/219">TS</a>]

00:03:42   tearing apart ships and stay for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/222">TS</a>]

00:03:47   their parts and their and their metal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   which is not that far off from some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/229">TS</a>]

00:03:52   things that happen in the real world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/232">TS</a>]

00:03:53   when there are there's a place in i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/233">TS</a>]

00:03:55   to say Bangladesh where they where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/235">TS</a>]

00:03:58   tear apart ships for their mettle and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/238">TS</a>]

00:04:00   it's not that far off but it's happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   in the United States in a post you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/242">TS</a>]

00:04:04   almost apocalyptic eco apocalyptic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/244">TS</a>]

00:04:06   United States not at for a young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/246">TS</a>]

00:04:11   book this is not like a young boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/251">TS</a>]

00:04:12   adventures with his dog and his paper [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/252">TS</a>]

00:04:14   out this his this is this is dark stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/254">TS</a>]

00:04:18   this is a the diana wynne jones for out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/258">TS</a>]

00:04:21   of young adult which I actually really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   appreciate where it just it treats kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   you know teenagers as we know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   stupid we know that you enjoy a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/268">TS</a>]

00:04:31   well-crafted story just as much as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33   adult does we're just going to take out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/273">TS</a>]

00:04:35   some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/275">TS</a>]

00:04:35   more violent aspects but even this even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/275">TS</a>]

00:04:37   this book has has its fair share of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/277">TS</a>]

00:04:39   violence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   yeah yeah it's it's um you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   it's a tough world and there's violence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   and there's a a really bad father figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/285">TS</a>]

00:04:48   nailers father is a very gives Darth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/288">TS</a>]

00:04:52   Vader run for his money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/292">TS</a>]

00:04:53   very bad guy and they're in there on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/293">TS</a>]

00:04:56   Gulf Coast basically except that the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/296">TS</a>]

00:04:59   global warming because again a co-writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/299">TS</a>]

00:05:02   the global warming has caused the Seas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/302">TS</a>]

00:05:04   to rise and so that there's an Orleans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/304">TS</a>]

00:05:08   to because the New Orleans is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/308">TS</a>]

00:05:11   gone and three Orleans yes there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/311">TS</a>]

00:05:15   many say don't call the thorough Orleans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17   or lanes are many cities that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19   drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/319">TS</a>]

00:05:20   mmm her house we'll get back to that but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/320">TS</a>]

00:05:23   um so I mean the starts though it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/323">TS</a>]

00:05:27   funny one of the things that I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/327">TS</a>]

00:05:28   talk about about the two books is which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   one is which one is darker and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/330">TS</a>]

00:05:34   actually keep going back and forth on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/334">TS</a>]

00:05:35   in this one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/335">TS</a>]

00:05:37   you've got these uh these kids are into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/337">TS</a>]

00:05:40   these terrible conditions as scavengers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/340">TS</a>]

00:05:42   and and we meet when we mean Taylor he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/342">TS</a>]

00:05:46   almost dies right because he's he's deep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/346">TS</a>]

00:05:48   down in these narrow passages in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   ship and he falls into a into a tank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/350">TS</a>]

00:05:54   into a gas tank and thinks he's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/354">TS</a>]

00:05:57   die but he ends up being a smart being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/357">TS</a>]

00:06:00   smart enough to save himself and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/360">TS</a>]

00:06:02   know and and when he gets back to shore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/362">TS</a>]

00:06:04   it's not any better this is just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/364">TS</a>]

00:06:06   a a chaotic environment where they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   working for for almost nothing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/368">TS</a>]

00:06:11   there's a you know there's a fast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   company above them that is that is sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/373">TS</a>]

00:06:17   of far away and and it you know really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/377">TS</a>]

00:06:19   it's like a forced labor camp almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/379">TS</a>]

00:06:21   it's just incredibly poor squalid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/381">TS</a>]

00:06:23   conditions so you know it's that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/383">TS</a>]

00:06:26   that's it's pretty rough stuff for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/386">TS</a>]

00:06:28   something that's that's a young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/388">TS</a>]

00:06:31   definitely I mean I i read a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/391">TS</a>]

00:06:34   really really dark young adult books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/394">TS</a>]

00:06:36   growing up and I tend to prefer those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   and I'd I mean I feel like most avid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/398">TS</a>]

00:06:42   readers tend to prefer something that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   a little more complex and a little less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   black and white and heat I mean he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/406">TS</a>]

00:06:49   a really good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51   I didn't really realize until the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/411">TS</a>]

00:06:54   ship breaker that this was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/414">TS</a>]

00:06:56   meant to be a young adult book I because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   the way that it was portrayed in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/419">TS</a>]

00:07:01   language that was used i just kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/421">TS</a>]

00:07:03   assumed oh it's you know it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/423">TS</a>]

00:07:04   book with younger characters and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/424">TS</a>]

00:07:08   when i was looking stuff up in advance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/428">TS</a>]

00:07:10   this podcast was like oh this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/430">TS</a>]

00:07:12   written specifically to be a young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   book okay why I get that I think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/434">TS</a>]

00:07:17   best young adult books though are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/437">TS</a>]

00:07:19   written like normal books they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/439">TS</a>]

00:07:21   happened to star maybe slightly younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/441">TS</a>]

00:07:24   cast wonder whether some you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   there's some language limitations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   ended the rally and I which is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30   wrong and there isn't and there isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/450">TS</a>]

00:07:32   there isn't sex and that you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/452">TS</a>]

00:07:37   those are the like sort of defining it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/457">TS</a>]

00:07:38   got to be kind of a PG but you can be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/458">TS</a>]

00:07:41   really you know really dark around those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/461">TS</a>]

00:07:44   two limitations Scott you have issues [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/464">TS</a>]

00:07:46   with when you read something young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/466">TS</a>]

00:07:48   is it you know is it isn't that big a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/468">TS</a>]

00:07:51   deal or or does it doesn't matter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/471">TS</a>]

00:07:54   well I I generally do not like young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/474">TS</a>]

00:07:57   adult books mostly because i enjoy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/477">TS</a>]

00:08:00   reading I sort of said you up there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/480">TS</a>]

00:08:03   because i know i don't get w you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   but generally despised young adult books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   frankly mostly because i think that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/487">TS</a>]

00:08:11   as Wren said they they tend to simplify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   things and uh i enjoy reading books that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/493">TS</a>]

00:08:18   have complicated language and kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/498">TS</a>]

00:08:22   multifaceted plots generally that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24   to say i don't like a book with a quick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/504">TS</a>]

00:08:26   plot that you know is straightforward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/506">TS</a>]

00:08:28   because i also read a lot of mysteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/508">TS</a>]

00:08:30   that generally are you know to figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/510">TS</a>]

00:08:32   out who killed somebody and that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/512">TS</a>]

00:08:34   but it's not like 14 different things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/514">TS</a>]

00:08:36   are happening at once and then at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/516">TS</a>]

00:08:37   end it all comes together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/517">TS</a>]

00:08:39   that being said I think that ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/519">TS</a>]

00:08:42   breaker rises above the general cross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/522">TS</a>]

00:08:45   of crappy young adult books in that his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   well written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/527">TS</a>]

00:08:49   yes it does is a plus yes and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/529">TS</a>]

00:08:52   keeps me engaged even though the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/532">TS</a>]

00:08:54   itself is fairly straightforward and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/534">TS</a>]

00:08:55   have no problem with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   he manages to keep it interesting enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/537">TS</a>]

00:09:01   and keep the pace very quick which I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/541">TS</a>]

00:09:04   appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/544">TS</a>]

00:09:04   and there isn't kind of like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/544">TS</a>]

00:09:07   the young adult the kind of the trip to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   the young adults the kid finds out he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/549">TS</a>]

00:09:11   has special powers that you know nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/551">TS</a>]

00:09:13   appreciates it but then he suddenly a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   wizard and everybody is great and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/555">TS</a>]

00:09:18   going to save the world need a dealer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   not a wizard but no Clara fide he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/560">TS</a>]

00:09:23   apparently quick he's a kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   yes he's talented smart kid but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/565">TS</a>]

00:09:28   just a kid I feel like I father issues i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   add my shelf of good young adult books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/570">TS</a>]

00:09:33   Scott because I may have missed so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/573">TS</a>]

00:09:36   I was a kid I was trying to think of in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/576">TS</a>]

00:09:39   preparation of this what young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/579">TS</a>]

00:09:40   books i read because both ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/580">TS</a>]

00:09:42   and drowned cities are you know marketed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/582">TS</a>]

00:09:45   as young adults and I was thinking to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/585">TS</a>]

00:09:46   myself why I don't know what age group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/586">TS</a>]

00:09:49   of young adult is but reading both of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/589">TS</a>]

00:09:51   them I wouldn't think that young kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   should really read them I don't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   a young adult is usually at least the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/595">TS</a>]

00:09:58   way that I've seen it marketed is aged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/598">TS</a>]

00:10:00   like 10-11 to age 17 it's a pretty wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/600">TS</a>]

00:10:04   range it's not for I'd say it's it's for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/604">TS</a>]

00:10:07   kids in like the higher grades and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   starting in middle school middle school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/609">TS</a>]

00:10:11   is usually the starting because I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/611">TS</a>]

00:10:14   most of the young adult books you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   you're talking about the tropes you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   get a little bit of the budding romance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20   but not necessarily full-fledged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/620">TS</a>]

00:10:22   Stephenie Meyer Twilight craziness like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25   I so II you've got to be a certain i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/625">TS</a>]

00:10:30   think i have a certain age to appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/630">TS</a>]

00:10:32   that but well you know why a is this new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/632">TS</a>]

00:10:36   new ish category there's a i remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/636">TS</a>]

00:10:39   when i first heard the concept was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/639">TS</a>]

00:10:40   oh ok i guess that makes sense but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   know some writers don't write books that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/642">TS</a>]

00:10:45   are you know that have a lot of language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/645">TS</a>]

00:10:48   and have a lot of graphic sex and and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/648">TS</a>]

00:10:53   it's interesting that now there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   category that's sort of in the middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/657">TS</a>]

00:10:57   and yet a lot of yaa stuff is also read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/657">TS</a>]

00:11:00   by adults and good young adult fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/660">TS</a>]

00:11:03   is perfectly good for adults right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/663">TS</a>]

00:11:06   not you're not reading and this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/666">TS</a>]

00:11:09   argument when you read Harry Potter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   i know that's a sore spot with Scott who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/671">TS</a>]

00:11:12   didn't like Harry Potter but those are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   books that have become successful not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   just because kids read them but because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/676">TS</a>]

00:11:17   adults read them and and you know good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/677">TS</a>]

00:11:20   good fiction in that slot is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/680">TS</a>]

00:11:23   fiction and the problem is that i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   there's some writers who then say i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/685">TS</a>]

00:11:27   gonna i'm going to target this and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/687">TS</a>]

00:11:29   going to dumb it down and that's when it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31   I I think maybe it breaks down and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/691">TS</a>]

00:11:34   previous podcast Scott mentioned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   Ian McDonald who wrote a book that Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   and I thought was fantastic last year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   actually I think we both voted or voted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/700">TS</a>]

00:11:43   for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/703">TS</a>]

00:11:43   my vote counted because i paid the money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45   and scott's boat didn't count but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/705">TS</a>]

00:11:46   didn't for best for best novel for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/706">TS</a>]

00:11:48   hugo awards in mcdonalds the Dervish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/708">TS</a>]

00:11:50   house you know he that's a fantastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/710">TS</a>]

00:11:53   book and he wrote a young adult book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/713">TS</a>]

00:11:56   that Scott red and said was really bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   because I and I worry that he just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   of said well its young adult I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/720">TS</a>]

00:12:01   take my plot my intricate plots and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/721">TS</a>]

00:12:04   them not intricate and simplify [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/724">TS</a>]

00:12:05   everything and then it will be dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/725">TS</a>]

00:12:07   which is you know I don't know what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   want to know in a good book whether it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   young adults or not it shouldn't be dumb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/731">TS</a>]

00:12:13   i read through more or less the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/733">TS</a>]

00:12:17   young adult section at both my local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/737">TS</a>]

00:12:19   library and my local borders over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22   course of like five or six years and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/742">TS</a>]

00:12:25   that while there are some books that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/745">TS</a>]

00:12:27   really stand out my memory and some will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/747">TS</a>]

00:12:28   probably bring up later on the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   as they relate to ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/750">TS</a>]

00:12:32   they were definitely like their arse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/752">TS</a>]

00:12:34   logs in in that in that category where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/754">TS</a>]

00:12:37   you just run into very very like you run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/757">TS</a>]

00:12:41   into somebody who wants to be Judy Blume [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/761">TS</a>]

00:12:43   except with magic or with you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/763">TS</a>]

00:12:46   post-apocalyptic sci-fi I and it just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/766">TS</a>]

00:12:50   doesn't it doesn't work so well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/770">TS</a>]

00:12:52   there were plenty i mean even even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/772">TS</a>]

00:12:54   something that was fairly widespread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/774">TS</a>]

00:12:55   like animorphs which was clearly I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/775">TS</a>]

00:12:58   that was a a big giant series that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/778">TS</a>]

00:13:02   its share and was written i can remember [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   that was written by a series of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   people are just one person but it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/786">TS</a>]

00:13:09   you know it would have both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   x where they would very clearly be oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/791">TS</a>]

00:13:13   well we're actually this is just about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15   young people and young in situations and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/795">TS</a>]

00:13:18   not really dumb down language and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   there were other books in that series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/800">TS</a>]

00:13:21   which was just unbearable to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   because you're looking at this year like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   I feel like this was a writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27   assignment that i got in high score in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/807">TS</a>]

00:13:29   in like fifth grade [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/809">TS</a>]

00:13:31   it's like bobbin Jeremy are going on an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/811">TS</a>]

00:13:34   adventure bad writing batteries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/814">TS</a>]

00:13:37   batteries bad well you know young adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/817">TS</a>]

00:13:39   right I suppose young adults have young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/819">TS</a>]

00:13:41   adult protagonist that's part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/821">TS</a>]

00:13:42   deal although there are lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/822">TS</a>]

00:13:44   perfectly good fine you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/824">TS</a>]

00:13:46   high-quality novels that that have young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/826">TS</a>]

00:13:48   adults as protagonists and-and-and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/828">TS</a>]

00:13:51   you know we wouldn't look down upon them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   for doing that it i do think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/833">TS</a>]

00:13:56   there's a right like people are smelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/836">TS</a>]

00:13:59   money from yeah especially because harry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/839">TS</a>]

00:14:00   potter rightness ago geez I gotta get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   some of that and so you've got some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/842">TS</a>]

00:14:03   people who are reading good books and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/843">TS</a>]

00:14:04   some people who are trying to find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/844">TS</a>]

00:14:07   market for you know that by writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   something targeted at the market that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   they think might make them a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/851">TS</a>]

00:14:12   money and i feel like when i was a young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/852">TS</a>]

00:14:14   adult there was not a young adult genre [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/854">TS</a>]

00:14:19   well they worthy I mean there are things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/859">TS</a>]

00:14:21   that were kinda adult book i'm reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/861">TS</a>]

00:14:24   juvenile science fiction right which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/864">TS</a>]

00:14:27   like pulp stuff from the fifties I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/867">TS</a>]

00:14:30   more than I mean they're like boys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/870">TS</a>]

00:14:33   magazines it but it wasn't like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/873">TS</a>]

00:14:34   juggernaut that it is now and the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/874">TS</a>]

00:14:37   are no it's very clearly labeled now in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/877">TS</a>]

00:14:39   a way that it i don't think it was it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   only really just started to go that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/881">TS</a>]

00:14:44   when I was growing up like there wasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   really even a young adult section in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   book store until I was 16 or 17 i want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/888">TS</a>]

00:14:52   to say i usually just kind of jump [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/892">TS</a>]

00:14:54   lumped in with fiction and it was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/894">TS</a>]

00:14:56   maybe a subcategory with infections like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/896">TS</a>]

00:14:59   people with young protect your books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/899">TS</a>]

00:15:01   with young protagonists rather than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   young adults right right right i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/903">TS</a>]

00:15:06   would just end up in the sci-fi section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/906">TS</a>]

00:15:08   and pick out a book and you know and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/908">TS</a>]

00:15:11   it's it's a the split infinity by piers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/911">TS</a>]

00:15:15   anthony and i read that it's like oh god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/915">TS</a>]

00:15:17   they're people having sex in this book i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/917">TS</a>]

00:15:18   will read the next book now right so it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20   was you know that I I think that's part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22   of it too is this weird thing I keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   liking it too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/924">TS</a>]

00:15:24   PG rating it's I I that is some strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/924">TS</a>]

00:15:27   part of this young adult thing is it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   it's a category where there's sort of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/929">TS</a>]

00:15:32   implied cleanness of content which you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/932">TS</a>]

00:15:37   know III as a parent I appreciate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/937">TS</a>]

00:15:40   but it's it's strange and so you end up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/940">TS</a>]

00:15:44   with books that are legitimately good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/944">TS</a>]

00:15:45   books and then you end up with books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   that are that are not and ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/947">TS</a>]

00:15:49   which is again what we're talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   is a good book it's I mean it's not it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/951">TS</a>]

00:15:54   didn't feel to me like it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/954">TS</a>]

00:15:56   watered-down a windup girl or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/956">TS</a>]

00:16:00   like that it feels like legitimately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/960">TS</a>]

00:16:01   good books I story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/961">TS</a>]

00:16:04   ya know it just happens to have young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/964">TS</a>]

00:16:06   protagonists as the lead characters but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/966">TS</a>]

00:16:09   it is a story is a story where adults [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   exist and where some adults are very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   good and some adults are very scary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/973">TS</a>]

00:16:16   there are shades of grey whereas they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/976">TS</a>]

00:16:18   might not otherwise be yeah I'm chip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/978">TS</a>]

00:16:21   bigger actually reminds me of two books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/981">TS</a>]

00:16:23   I read when I was growing up there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/983">TS</a>]

00:16:26   book called the the ear the eye and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/986">TS</a>]

00:16:28   arm which I think when a alda cot or a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/988">TS</a>]

00:16:32   newbery or something like that which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/992">TS</a>]

00:16:35   sort of post-apocalyptic or i guess not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/995">TS</a>]

00:16:38   post-apocalyptic future world where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/998">TS</a>]

00:16:41   get three people who are were a not even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:45   guns for hire but like detectives for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   hire and they have to go find am missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49   a missing privileged girl and then also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:53   a book by I think Karthik's called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:55   shades children which deals with kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:58   again the weird sci-fi post-apocalyptic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1018">TS</a>]

00:17:00   but also running from big bads and I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:04   a very similar vibe from ship breaker to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:06   both of those two books where it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:10   a very dark world and you're talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:12   you're putting basically relatively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:14   young children and even in shipwreck her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1034">TS</a>]

00:17:16   there's a there's a mention about just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1036">TS</a>]

00:17:18   how young you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:20   Naylor is and how he doesn't really even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:23   recognize that fact just because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1043">TS</a>]

00:17:26   like well you know you're either light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   crew or your or your heavy crew you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:31   either create a small enough to fit or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:33   you're not and he's aged just getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:35   big enough that he's not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:37   able to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:38   crew anymore exactly we don't even find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1058">TS</a>]

00:17:41   out these characters ages until over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:43   halfway through that first book when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:44   he's quite literally coming-of-age he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   getting to the point where he is he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:48   getting bigger and of course there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1068">TS</a>]

00:17:50   girl right there is a pretty girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:52   inner-city got in a wreck ship and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:55   there's a 12 mm and you've had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1075">TS</a>]

00:17:57   moment which is like who i kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   her something about her is different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:03   than what you love then turn that on its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:05   head though because I mean they find her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:07   when presumably she's dead she's dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:10   and they try to cut off her fingers to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:13   get her gold regular jewelry that's yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:16   that's how they discover she's alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1096">TS</a>]

00:18:18   it's a very it's turning on its head of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   it the typical it's not really your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:22   usual meet-cute yeah no not so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   hi you know we fell in love how do we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:27   fall in love all I was sawing off your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   fingers that's how I met my wife very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:31   bloody story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1111">TS</a>]

00:18:32   thank goodness she woke up I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:35   she could keep her jewelry and you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:37   exactly and i think that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1117">TS</a>]

00:18:39   interesting so one of the things i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   about this setting is he concentrates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:44   obviously want to make a point about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   know eco-friendliness and how the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:49   is going to go to pot because yeah our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:51   short-term thing friends us yes exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:53   but then he shows there's a clear like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:56   as you're reading it you think okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:57   everybody is just living in squalor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1137">TS</a>]

00:19:00   then you realize know there's this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:02   other world of people that have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1142">TS</a>]

00:19:05   ships that have like Paris tales that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:08   can go fast and go over the place and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:10   have advanced technology that the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1150">TS</a>]

00:19:12   clipper ships that span the oceans and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:14   lakes high tech I really want a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:16   clippership when end and the neda is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1156">TS</a>]

00:19:20   a the child of these people who own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:26   these big companies that have this money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:28   she's she's the one that they meet and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:30   when they're trying to cut off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1170">TS</a>]

00:19:31   fingers and and she's like an heiress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:34   basically 2a and God has gotten caught [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:37   up in a in a plot among the rich people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1177">TS</a>]

00:19:39   and so there and and was attacked but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:42   you know she's never known you know she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1182">TS</a>]

00:19:45   in some ways which is funny she's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1185">TS</a>]

00:19:47   of our proxy in the sense that she is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:50   from a world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:52   where there isn't the kind of squalor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:54   that is on the beach with the with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1194">TS</a>]

00:19:56   ship breakers where you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58   things are really miserable and awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:00   and she has kind of no idea and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:04   so she becomes our proxy except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:06   viewing it through the eyes of nailer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1206">TS</a>]

00:20:07   and we're looking at her thinking you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:08   know who is this person and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10   oh it's us actually that's who she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:13   just boiled and has anything she wants [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   and whereas he's incredibly poor and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:18   fighting for survival [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:19   I actually really like how I'm not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:23   try and pronounce the author's name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:24   Apollo the greats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:27   but you're gonna be yeah you may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1227">TS</a>]

00:20:30   mr. B mr. B yes but the eco integration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:35   into the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1235">TS</a>]

00:20:36   it kind of snuck up on me where i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38   reading this and I'm like man drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40   cities and city killer and you slowly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:42   start to realize oh this is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:44   this is the United States and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1244">TS</a>]

00:20:46   realize oh it's because of crude oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:48   drilling but it's never it's never gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1248">TS</a>]

00:20:51   out and explicitly said yes humans you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:54   are bad you are destroying things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:57   beware for there will come a day when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1257">TS</a>]

00:21:00   all of this comes you know there's there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:02   are certain books it's better for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1262">TS</a>]

00:21:04   yeah and it's just kind of like know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:06   this is you know this is how it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:08   dropping and jam it down your throat and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   actually there's a lot of here it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:13   lot of stuff within this book in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:15   sort of manner which I really appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   it so nice to as a reader be able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:21   actually discover things for yourself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:23   and not feel like the author is saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1283">TS</a>]

00:21:25   yes focus on this for it will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:28   important in 50 pages from now feed ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1288">TS</a>]

00:21:33   another one thing I hate more than young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:35   adult books are preaching books that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1295">TS</a>]

00:21:38   trying to tell teach me a lesson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:41   overtly and and so this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:44   obviously it has a theme and he he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1304">TS</a>]

00:21:47   clearly a a an environmentalist but he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:50   not saying you know the characters don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:53   stop and say gee wouldn't have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:56   great if we had thought about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1316">TS</a>]

00:21:58   before this all happened message to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:01   past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:02   exactly you you're destroying us your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   you cause this you cause to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:07   simply its implicit and and but he did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   it right there isn't a moment where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:10   turned the camera basically and say if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:13   only you would you had saved your oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:16   and not know it I mean it really his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:20   whole deal here is to say I'm i built [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:23   into the world once you accept this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:24   world exists you accept that we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:27   completely squandered you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:29   everything and this is the remnant sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1349">TS</a>]

00:22:31   of the the you know hollowed-out remnant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:34   of our society after we run out of fuel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36   and I just hope that I'm on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:39   high-tech part and I'm not yelling on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:41   the clippership exactly you want to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1361">TS</a>]

00:22:44   live in the midwest that's right don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:46   want another character in this in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:49   story is is a very sci-fi character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:53   we've got these regular human beings who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1373">TS</a>]

00:22:55   are struggling to get along but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1375">TS</a>]

00:22:57   not all we are in a sci-fi novel and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:00   have two lamented who is an argument he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:03   is a half man as they call him but he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:06   a creation from human dog hyena tiger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:12   many other kinds of animal and he is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:15   he walks like a man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1395">TS</a>]

00:23:17   hamster yes right Mockingbird trout [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:21   yes a most mosquito leaner yeah exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:26   he's every animal really um he is he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:29   a a walks like a man but he is a killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:32   machine he's he's smarter than people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   and much more dangerous than people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:38   they meet him the art nailer and Annie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:42   to meet him and he becomes a he becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:45   their sort of traveling companion and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:47   and helper and what's funny about it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:50   when he's introduced he's sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:52   know he's a monster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1432">TS</a>]

00:23:53   it's very much like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:54   sort of you you meet the monster and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:57   then you realize the monster may not be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:59   as bad as the people and and dry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:03   yeah yeah yeah because because they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05   always father Richard Lopez is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:07   really bad raising aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:10   yeah as a side note i find it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   interesting that all of the characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   have real names up into a certain age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:18   where it's like all of nailers parents [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:22   generation has real names but nailer and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:25   all of his crew folk to a certain like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:29   of rage [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:30   yeah they all have things like naylor or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1470">TS</a>]

00:24:33   I mean even need it gets a lucky girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:36   you know right and you don't get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:38   sense that these are nicknames you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:39   the sense that these are actually these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:41   are the names that they grew up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:42   everybody's open up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:43   yeah but this it's like surnames are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:47   important anymore actual inventive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   things are not important if they've run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   out of names they are not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:54   non-renewable resources host yes its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1494">TS</a>]

00:24:56   post name apocalypse and uh huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1496">TS</a>]

00:24:58   there's no more than anybody region [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:00   America reach peak naming and since then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:03   it's all been downhill great Taylor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:04   shortage of 2012 and mouse so tool is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:09   really interesting character because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1509">TS</a>]

00:25:10   what you know he is he does seem to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:12   this monster and maybe he is a monster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:15   right and yet he is he helps them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:19   he's an honorable you get the sense i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:21   mean you're told that he is not like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:23   other half men in fact when they go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   Orleans and they're they're like hiding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:28   in the water trying not to be spotted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:30   and there's like a squat that they're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1530">TS</a>]

00:25:32   at one point and then there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:36   are half men on the ship and and and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:39   know you get to see what the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:40   monsters are like and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:41   completely subservient to their masters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:45   and then there's tool who is he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   the rebel he's like the one who went [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:48   wrong and he's a monster who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   rebelling and that's good because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:52   means he's not a monster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   he's more than a monster and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:56   such a really interesting character that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1556">TS</a>]

00:26:01   that just kind of drops in and then he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1561">TS</a>]

00:26:03   you know he helps them out and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:04   cling to the back of railroad cars [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   as they travel along the countryside and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:08   he he sort of whip them into shape which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1568">TS</a>]

00:26:10   is it's it's just a very interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1570">TS</a>]

00:26:12   character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   I mean he's a he's a pseudo parental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:17   figure wow what a parent yeah do I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:21   but actually the the whole idea of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:24   arguments and not having read more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:27   a hundred pages of the second book i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:28   really curious to see where that goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1588">TS</a>]

00:26:30   because tool does crossover is the only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   community use the crossover character is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:35   mia much more problem wasn't cool to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:38   leave out of the second book clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   forbids we can leave them by the wayside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   but he's like the the whole concept of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:47   the augments in the idea of yes we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:49   going to genetically alter these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:51   like combined humans with all of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1611">TS</a>]

00:26:53   various animal DNA is to create the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1613">TS</a>]

00:26:56   ultimate bodyguard and then we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:59   to train them almost you know impress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   upon their minds that they may only have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   one master i'm really curious not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:06   knowing the end of drowned or the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   drowned cities yes that's the second one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   yes um if we find out just why tool is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:16   very different from the other the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1636">TS</a>]

00:27:19   arguments like why how he was able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:21   break his conditioning because I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1641">TS</a>]

00:27:24   they say very clearly in the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1644">TS</a>]

00:27:26   when they meet other other half men you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:30   know it's impossible it's theoretically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   impossible for an augment to ever betray [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:35   or walk away from their master because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:38   they're programmed to basically died of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:40   longing if the their master dies or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1660">TS</a>]

00:27:43   know goes away someone I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:46   it's explained other than he's not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:47   know he's he's an error [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49   he's not hooked up right he is supposed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51   to behave like that he doesn't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:54   anything that's further along this with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:57   this theme of you know that humankind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1677">TS</a>]

00:27:59   fiddle around with things that shouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:02   and it expects the things to work like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   they think it doesn't that he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   and so he's you know everyone who to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:09   read like the world exactly screwed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:12   the Augmented creatures which is i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:15   that that is this book could be just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   saying well you know you can't you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   kind of screwed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:20   the whole energy thing and and now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:22   reaping the rewards that global warming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:24   and all these things and yet he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1704">TS</a>]

00:28:26   have this whole other thing that gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   thrown in which is genetic engineering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:31   and after you you smell side plot yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1711">TS</a>]

00:28:34   you spend some time thinking this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:36   really about these kids who are tearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:37   apart the ships and their terrible life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:39   on shore and then they find the ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1719">TS</a>]

00:28:40   that's crashed and there's a girl they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:42   try to cut off her finger but she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   actually alive so they can't cut off her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   finger and yet on the side there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:49   oh did we mention that there are also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:50   bioengineered monsters who are smarter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:52   than people who are used to soldiers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54   that's also bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:57   no just throw that in there that also is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   that it's counter to nature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   kind of except he ends up being cut more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   of a hero than its although there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:06   plenty of scary half men in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   yeah there are really and I also like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   the we see much more than the drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:13   cities actually we see the swells we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1753">TS</a>]

00:29:14   the the with rich people here where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:17   there's there's this corporate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   imagination going on between the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:22   people who are struggling for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:24   control of a of Nita's come to shipping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:28   family's company right and and and now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:31   that's going on and that's fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:33   because from the perspective of the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:37   kids on the beach it's like who cares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1777">TS</a>]

00:29:40   right it's just like beyond completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   beyond them because holidays you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:45   are fighting over who gets more of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   huge amount of money and we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:48   completely penniless and on the beach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   and I feel like in in all of of bicycle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:55   Lupe's work that CI said there are there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:58   i scented we get this one of his tricks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1798">TS</a>]

00:30:01   which i think is really effective is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:05   takes situations that are you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   is about the future and it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:09   ecology and and about the environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   it's also about the present and and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:16   trick is that he's taking situations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:17   that happen now and turns them around to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:21   make them about as if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1821">TS</a>]

00:30:22   happening to us and so he makes a point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:26   when he's talking about these poor kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:27   that are getting beaten and threatened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:30   by gunfire and in both of these books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:33   and pointing out that it's black kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:36   and Asian kids white kids they're blonde [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:38   girl blonde kids that are there working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1838">TS</a>]

00:30:40   as slaves and and and he's really saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:43   you know you guys are used to the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   people you know being in far-off places [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:49   and not looking like you and in my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:52   stories they look like you they are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:55   and and that's part of what he does so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:57   it you know he's saying you know today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:59   we've got very poor parts of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:00   and then we've got very rich parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:02   the world that that are arguing about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:04   their first world problems right and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1864">TS</a>]

00:31:06   that's exactly what happens in ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:08   breaker is that is that Nina and her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   family have a lot of first world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12   problems and the kids on the beach like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:13   you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:14   hello I'm hoping to get food tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17   well yeah I doubt that there are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   you know they age dockworkers and South [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:22   Korea really care about the facebook IPO [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   right where it's you know it's like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:26   I'm gonna you know work for my daily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:28   bread and get enough money to feed my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:31   family and the kids in bangladesh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33   are disassembling ships are are not do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:35   not care about what's happening with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:37   latest in computer technology right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   they don't care they're they're far away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:42   from that sort of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:43   yeah so I think that's one of that's one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   of a of his very effective sometimes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:49   tricks of of saying no this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   happening in a far-off land this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:54   happening here are our own world has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:57   disintegrated and this is what it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1917">TS</a>]

00:31:58   to live in a poor miserable place the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:04   vestiges bringing more close to home [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   residents that said this is not a this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   is not a depressing kind of book the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:10   setting is depressing but it is a fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:12   entertaining book about these smart kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:16   doing what they can to survive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:19   making some smart decisions in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:22   out to to beat beat the bad guys with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:25   the help of their you know monster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1945">TS</a>]

00:32:28   I don't know what his mentor he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:31   monster and a mentor might see someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1951">TS</a>]

00:32:33   store [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:34   exactly i wish i had a monster I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:39   meet him one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:39   today it's got what I I mean I realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:42   you and I both read this book a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   time ago i was in Scott book years it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:47   was like two centuries ago [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:48   yeah yeah you have anything else that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1968">TS</a>]

00:32:50   sticks out for you about about ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:53   breaker that we have uh huh i love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:56   end where they're smart enough that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   know the terrain of the bay that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   legally lowering the ship into and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:03   you know there's that moment wait for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:05   wait for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:06   there we because the kids know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:08   where the rocks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:09   all right but not even rocks dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:12   underwater building scale yeah right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:14   that's right right right which is kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1994">TS</a>]

00:33:17   ruined crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:18   although i will say the one thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:20   flag me about that ending was I nailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2000">TS</a>]

00:33:24   father is technically on the big bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:27   enemy ship wouldn't he know about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:30   big giant skyscraper teeth that nailers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:33   leading in into or maybe he's just not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:35   know either with the captain I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2015">TS</a>]

00:33:37   Richard Lopez like nah day he's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2017">TS</a>]

00:33:41   not legitimate figure he he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:43   really know all the stuff like he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:45   always like a fixer and he was on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:46   beach and I think he's not he was heavy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:49   crew for a while I mean I know he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:51   also like you know later but I i want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2031">TS</a>]

00:33:54   say like he probably knew the area [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   goodbye at the same time they do mention [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:59   that that ship is a much bigger ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01   than the tiny ship and it was one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:05   those things where I was like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2045">TS</a>]

00:34:08   the only thing that distracts from being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   absolutely perfect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:11   alright but so absolutely perfect you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2051">TS</a>]

00:34:14   say so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2054">TS</a>]

00:34:15   so I i can I take this test then that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:18   you enjoyed your your reading of ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2058">TS</a>]

00:34:21   breaker i did not expect to but I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   did well I want you ready ready because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:27   it was going to be in the book club and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:28   you're like alright i'll read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:29   these jerks want me to read it Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:31   said he liked it but shinno scott i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34   i i've had sort of 5050 luck the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:37   club was like I've started like dervish [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:39   house i remember reading I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:42   200 pages of and being like I'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   this book will eventually get really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:46   interesting but it's just catching me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2086">TS</a>]

00:34:48   i know i know i'll finish it sometime [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2088">TS</a>]

00:34:50   right for you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2090">TS</a>]

00:34:52   yeah and that's absolutely it is a slow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2092">TS</a>]

00:34:54   build oh yeah when I just said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2094">TS</a>]

00:34:57   point I didn't have time to really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   sit back and enjoy a thousand-page book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:01   with a 300-page slow build-up but with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:04   this one you know the first couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2104">TS</a>]

00:35:05   chapters are slow and I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:08   expected myself to get kind of impatient [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:11   with it but they build it so nicely like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:14   there are a lot of things that happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:15   in this relatively short book but none [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2115">TS</a>]

00:35:17   of them to feel rushed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2117">TS</a>]

00:35:19   none of them feel overlong either it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:23   it's just a really nice balance with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:26   gigantic really well formed world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:29   considering again the limited book space [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2129">TS</a>]

00:35:32   in which they had to explain it like all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:35   of the conflicts feel real the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:37   background of the beach you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   beach folk feel real all the most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:42   characters developed even even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2142">TS</a>]

00:35:45   captain's like towards the end feel some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   somewhat developed he just has a a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:50   really fantastic knack for being able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:54   shape and explain a world without you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:57   feeling like you're you know either too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   overwhelmed or underwhelmed by it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:02   poking holes through it so yeah i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:04   looking forward to reading drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:06   cities is it i started it i just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2166">TS</a>]

00:36:09   finished ship breaker like 30 minutes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:10   before the podcast i started finished so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:14   it's very recent that's true damn or and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2174">TS</a>]

00:36:16   almost more necessary action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   definity i only started reading ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:21   breaker yesterday so you know I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2181">TS</a>]

00:36:23   through it quick but I'm you know I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:27   read the first hundred pages of drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   cities in the half hour between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:30   finishing ship breaker and waiting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2190">TS</a>]

00:36:33   this podcast artisan like this world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2193">TS</a>]

00:36:34   actually really interesting and I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   want to like go back to it as soon as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:39   possible haha told you so I don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:44   I'm yeah I'm glad I'm glad that I'm glad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:47   that you liked it when I first heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:49   about it from scott who said it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2209">TS</a>]

00:36:51   good because we were talking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:52   wind up girly snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:53   shipbreakers better than the window girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55   he liked the wind up girl but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   really haven't read the windup girl yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:59   so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2219">TS</a>]

00:36:59   I make some people hate another and some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:01   people that love it and I I much to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:04   surprise when i was reading it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:05   discovered that i loved it so I voted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:07   for it over the city in the city by me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2227">TS</a>]

00:37:09   evil and they tied so it didn't I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2229">TS</a>]

00:37:12   I'm the reason since I my vote actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   in town i'm the reason they tied because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:17   I I thought it was I don't like the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   in the city too but it seems that he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:21   very good but the windup girl just you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2241">TS</a>]

00:37:23   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:23   yeah I thought it was really i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2243">TS</a>]

00:37:25   was really good and that this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:26   similarly similarly good i think it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2246">TS</a>]

00:37:30   maybe is better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:30   Scott I mean that is a really good it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:33   working my wife is a children's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2253">TS</a>]

00:37:35   librarian and she's recommended it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:38   she read it before I did in fact and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:39   she's recommended it to many many people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:42   now which i think is really cool to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:43   somebody who doesn't read a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   sci-fi some but not a lot but has you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:48   know a conduit to young minds who want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:51   to read books and is saying ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:54   is you know is a highly recommended book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2274">TS</a>]

00:37:57   so that's good too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:58   I will take full credit for all of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00   you should you are molding young minds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   in California from far away in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:04   Philadelphia you are the monster tour I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:09   know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:09   yes but it's got i'm going to send you a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:12   list of really good young adult novels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:15   that I hope you will not hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17   so you can expand your reach of really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:20   cool ones should see see me i'm at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:22   way i would love to see the list of I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2302">TS</a>]

00:38:24   don't pass that onto to Lauren who can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27   use more things to recommend in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   children's library so yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   they're all they're all like five and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   10-year olds a recommendation about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   salon might yeah they're still on my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:38   shelf will still cool books to go bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:40   books are all short I'm Leslie when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   they're about apocalyptic futures that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:45   true well sometimes to go bed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47   we're not talking about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:50   that's not discussing this podcast so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:53   now because miss Caldwell has not yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:56   read the rest of the drowned cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:58   oh and we are going to have to shake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:00   goodbye to her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:01   we're going to put her in the soundproof [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:02   booth or actually just you know maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:03   hang up and go crawl into bed and read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:06   through and read the rest of them and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:09   you two can talk so yes we thank you for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:12   your service and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:13   thanks for being on this on this podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   and and we will say could we will part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:18   ways and it's just gonna be me and Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:19   the rest of the way who is podcast is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:22   over for you know it's just be a night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:25   goodnight goodbye point yeah she's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2365">TS</a>]

00:39:30   i'm scott you're the last one left again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:32   I i just am a winner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2372">TS</a>]

00:39:36   I'm a survivor that's why i am you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:39   and a mod store constantly they don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41   wait up a new word and you are it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:44   yes so the dream cities the drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:48   cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:51   what did you think jason has compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:54   the ship breakers which one you like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:57   more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2397">TS</a>]

00:39:58   I like ship breaker better i did as well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:02   which is not to say that the grounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:05   that i liked around cities and now one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:07   of the questions I had for you was it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:10   is the drowned cities darker than ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:12   breaker and and Mike the reason that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:15   keep going back and forth on this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:17   that in the drowned cities the kids we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   meet at the beginning have a semi stable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:23   life I mean they lost their old life but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   they like you're working for this doctor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:26   in a village and you know they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:29   got a system whereas the kids and ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:32   breaker just you know slaves and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:34   miserable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2434">TS</a>]

00:40:36   the difference is that they have a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:38   kind of adventure that leads to meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:40   a rich girl who it might save them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:42   whereas just terrible things happened to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2442">TS</a>]

00:40:45   kids in the surrounding cities terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:48   things I i think that without a doubt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:50   the drowned city is much darker than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2450">TS</a>]

00:40:52   ship breaker if only because of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:56   number of times people say maggot maggot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:58   it's it's a it's a we can't swear in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2458">TS</a>]

00:41:01   young adult fiction so instead we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   maggot every and you you wrote you but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:06   you didn't ruin I would have noticed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:07   anyway but when you pointed out they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2467">TS</a>]

00:41:09   Megan a lot as i was reading it I Bryce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   started to notice that they say make it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:13   a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:14   everybody's a maggot there were maggots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:15   their magnetism maggot that training [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2475">TS</a>]

00:41:19   maggots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:20   yeah hallelujah it's raining minutes and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:23   so is why is to the drowned cities uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:26   they're like child the a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:28   characters are child soldiers basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   right so yeah they're young i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:32   think and it really did forget how young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:34   they are and then they they eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   end up someplace where there are people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   like we're in their teens or twenties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   and you realize oh geez these kids are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   like 10 12 years old right and so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:45   the teenagers are like the officers the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:47   experienced people he actually get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   uniforms instead of just a an automatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:52   machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:53   no it don't even think about machete and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:56   it all that's true you have been a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2516">TS</a>]

00:41:57   bottle of acid you start with a machete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2517">TS</a>]

00:42:00   and a bottle of acid see there you go if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:03   you know any book that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2523">TS</a>]

00:42:04   as ten-year-olds waging war fair with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:08   machete and a bottle of acid is pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   dark pretty dark pretty dark [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:13   yeah yeah so we we meet Malia and mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:17   and they are kids who are working for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19   this doctor in this village and an army [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:24   and militia that's one of these groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:27   that we we realize we're we're actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   in the Potomac basin and this is around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:31   Washington DC and and these various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:35   militia groups are are are fighting this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:37   endless war with each other and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:39   they come to their village because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   they've been chasing a monster through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   the jungle that monster of course is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:47   tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:48   Oh half-man from fully booked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:52   yes Tyler all right yes yes the spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2572">TS</a>]

00:42:56   horn by the way that sounded for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2576">TS</a>]

00:42:59   drowned cities hopefully if you have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:01   read it and do not want to be spoiled so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2581">TS</a>]

00:43:04   so tool tools presence causes all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:08   stuff to happen basically and Malia and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:10   mouse watch their village get torched [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2590">TS</a>]

00:43:12   yeah the doctor is killed horribly you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:16   know just awful things happen and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:18   the mouse is taken in by a hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2598">TS</a>]

00:43:21   recruited by this uh this militia and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:25   they're they're turning him into another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:26   faceless killing machine soldier boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:29   throughout throughout this book while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:31   Malia is talking to and arguing with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:35   tool tools like well let's just leave it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:38   leave that lets run we are outnumbered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:41   and our only chance of getting out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:44   this is if we leave him and there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   logic to stay you notice you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:49   going to be able to save him and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:50   insists she doesn't i think is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:52   clever that she figures out tools kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:55   of pack mentality because it's kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:57   been programmed into him because he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:59   part dog and she's like well he's a pack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2639">TS</a>]

00:44:02   member we need to save him and tools [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:04   like well alright yeah yeah I can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2644">TS</a>]

00:44:07   decide whether that's Malia manipulating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:11   tool or whether tool is like almost like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:14   reading her feelings for him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:18   saying oh and extrapolating I great i go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:22   he's like part of your pack I oh that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:25   understand i'm not sure what what which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2665">TS</a>]

00:44:28   one it is but it's it's effective right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   that then suddenly he is ready to leave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:34   and decides not to and and she tries to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2674">TS</a>]

00:44:37   save his life so that he'll owe her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:39   he laughed it off it says I don't owe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:41   you anything and yet he he ends up going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:43   with her anyway for his own reasons and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:45   I you know such an interesting character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2685">TS</a>]

00:44:48   because he's not he's not human and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:52   does not behave like a human but he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:53   his own honor and his own kind of code [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:57   and he's happy to rip people into into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:00   shreds but at the same time he's he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:02   he's like a weapon that his that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:05   turned back on its creators and he's now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2705">TS</a>]

00:45:07   it's like an a a tool of vengeance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:12   against those who created him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2712">TS</a>]

00:45:14   that's true yeah and I think it's a he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:17   is probably the most fleshed out of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:20   characters not the other characters are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:22   like caricatures i think a Paolo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:25   Bacigalupi it does a great job getting a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:29   lot of characterization into all of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:32   characters and I think tool and mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:35   are probably my two favorite characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:37   in this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:38   um and which makes mouse's story even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:42   more depressing 40 as it was heroin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:45   right that he is you actually are seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2745">TS</a>]

00:45:48   the steps that he goes through to sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:49   of dehumanize him and and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2749">TS</a>]

00:45:52   moment where heat more mouse has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:53   great success where he because he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   very valuable they basically thrown in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:57   the water and have them swim over to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2757">TS</a>]

00:45:59   where there are snipers figuring you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   know you get shot whatever he does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:03   doesn't matter and he succeeds and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2763">TS</a>]

00:46:06   all the people who are with him die and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:09   he kills and then he kills a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:11   people and his coup de Gras is that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:14   calls in the radio is very smart righty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:17   call him on the radio that people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   are firing artillery and tells him to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:21   move it back a few hundred yards which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2781">TS</a>]

00:46:22   blows up their fellow soldiers instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   of his soldiers from so children right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:28   and so it's you're like yay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   uh actually not a second yeah he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:34   killed people and all of that but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   so you're rooting for him and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:37   realize what you're doing which is he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:39   becoming increasingly one of these like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   Jojo who is one of the other characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43   who is sort of like Mouse further along [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:46   he's been further dehumanizing Malia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:49   gets a sense that ocho I you know there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:53   are moments when he's like a human being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2813">TS</a>]

00:46:54   and moments where he's like a completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   inhuman killing machine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:58   she doesn't really understand it better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:00   but now with with mouse's progression [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   you see this is what happens is these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:04   kids are great card sort of ground-up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:07   and the ones who survived end up being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:10   they've seen all of these people died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   and they've come become completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:14   dehumanized yeah it's fun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2834">TS</a>]

00:47:17   it is it is an uplifting story it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2837">TS</a>]

00:47:20   it's a rough so so it's all set it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:23   what's interesting is I read an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:24   interview with with Paolo Bacigalupi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   where he was talking about the subject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:30   matter and how he is not a non-political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:32   writer at all because he does have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34   other environmental themes in his work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:37   but that hehe said that as he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   writing it he found that he was much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:42   more overtly political than usual and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:46   you see it in setting it in washington [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:47   DC I and having these different kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:50   militia groups that are like the Army of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52   God and the Patriots and all these sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   of things and they're there are several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:56   passages where he talks about how all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2876">TS</a>]

00:48:00   this started with people who disagreed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:03   with the beliefs of other people saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:05   they were traders or not patriotic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2885">TS</a>]

00:48:09   it's clearly his his take on our current [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:13   events you know fractured political [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:16   system where if you don't believe what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:18   believe you are not you know you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2898">TS</a>]

00:48:20   an American or you're against America or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:23   you're not a patriot and and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2903">TS</a>]

00:48:26   which wich so did you find that stuff to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   be having praised him for not being too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31   preachy and ship breaker did you find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:32   that stuff i mean i was a little more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2912">TS</a>]

00:48:34   overtly like I'm sending you a message [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:37   yeah it was it was kind i think that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:39   part of the reason why i didn't like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2919">TS</a>]

00:48:40   this book as much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:41   ship breaker because it was kind of more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2921">TS</a>]

00:48:45   so than ship breaker wearing its lesson [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:48   on its sleeve as it were especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:50   given like you said setting in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2930">TS</a>]

00:48:52   Washington making these tee two groups [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   so kind of obviously mirroring what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:59   happening uh now uh without trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:03   shade it at all really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2943">TS</a>]

00:49:05   um right it's because it's the Patriots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2945">TS</a>]

00:49:07   against the Army of God writes these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:10   groups that are saying we're for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:11   goodness rackets as they as they shell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:14   the hell out of each other kill each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16   other and they don't know nobody really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   knows why they're trying to kill each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   other and the any other interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:22   thing and the climax is at the Capitol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2962">TS</a>]

00:49:25   right right and so that that's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:26   message at all is it there in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:28   Capitol building in the Capitol building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:29   basically is blown up in the climax [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:32   which so it's all this time it hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:34   really gotten hurt but now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:36   yeah yeah yeahs a six-time acts of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   book it's the Capitol dome is gonna gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:41   mad it's a giant building that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:43   clearly a target but it's react and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:47   the other thing that was kind of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:48   little heavy-handed is so the Chinese [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:51   have a apparently survived the eco [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:54   apocalypse a fairly well and so they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:57   come into America to be like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2997">TS</a>]

00:49:59   Peacekeeper to be peacekeeper sins to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/2999">TS</a>]

00:50:02   teach people how to you know have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:04   democracy and live civilized and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:07   know how they can instead of a fighting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3007">TS</a>]

00:50:11   each other they can farm and turn their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:14   you know they have all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3014">TS</a>]

00:50:15   motivational sayings and this literature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:17   and they paint propaganda to help people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3017">TS</a>]

00:50:19   to wrap and only a million father was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3019">TS</a>]

00:50:22   Chinese peacekeeper who met her mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:25   who is an American and and had her and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:29   then the Chinese pull out and she's left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:31   behind rises the Sun and they they run [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3031">TS</a>]

00:50:34   to the docks right when they're leaving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3034">TS</a>]

00:50:35   because clearly hey we're his family [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:37   there's growing room on the boats and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39   which is so so clearly like a Vietnam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   kind of a parallel except that we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:42   Vietnam and this is exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3042">TS</a>]

00:50:45   and this is like what you're saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3045">TS</a>]

00:50:46   before he kind of twists a what's the he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:49   makes the and I imagine he's writing for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:52   largely American audience but that could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:54   be wrong so he kind of Western audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:56   westerns that's true and so he he shifts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   your normal expectations of well that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:01   doesn't happen to people in Western [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   civilization's yeah i mean not to not to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:05   be too blunt about it but I I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   one of the the tricks he doesn't it can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:10   be very effective is he saying and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   uses this he says is this person red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:15   hair and this person was blonde with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:17   pale skin and what he's saying is he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   telling a story essentially about about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:24   what has happened recently in fact in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:27   Africa especially where there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:30   militias with children do and they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:33   and and horrible things happen in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3093">TS</a>]

00:51:35   children are kind of dehumanized as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:38   live through these horrible violent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:40   spurts in in especially in Africa and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3100">TS</a>]

00:51:46   he tells that same story except he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   makes a point of saying you know these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   are white kids and and and blackheads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:52   and Asian kids and they look like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:54   Americans and and you know what he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:56   saying is imagine imagine how horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:59   this would be if it happened to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3119">TS</a>]

00:52:01   now imagine the fact that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:02   happening yeah today [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:04   oh by the way it's in Washington DC yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:07   yeah so it hits home but he's also so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   he's making its that statement about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:11   know your your environment your culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:14   could be destroyed by your actions but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:17   i'm interested in the fact that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:18   also making a side statement which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3138">TS</a>]

00:52:20   you know you can ignore the violence or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:23   have it be remote in some places like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:26   Africa but you can't I it's harder to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:31   that when i when i make you think of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   in the context of a bunch of little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:35   American kids who are who have a machete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:37   and a Nevada of acid and are and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:41   know are chopping off limbs and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:43   indiscriminately killing people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   so yeah it's kinda dark but but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:48   really effective in that way of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:50   saying you know these are horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52   things and they're not the horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:54   things that happened this book or not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3174">TS</a>]

00:52:55   things that haven't happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3175">TS</a>]

00:52:57   world they just haven't happened in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:58   future in America so you know it makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3178">TS</a>]

00:53:01   it that all the more horrible i guess to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:04   see you know to look at these characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:06   and say these are our these are us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3186">TS</a>]

00:53:08   and we don't have you know it's funny I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:11   mean logically of course this is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:14   true but you know one of the nice things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3194">TS</a>]

00:53:16   about science fiction is is he can use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3196">TS</a>]

00:53:18   that device to say look you're you as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:21   American are used to seeing the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:24   people in these terrible places with his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:26   terrible violence as having different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3206">TS</a>]

00:53:29   color skin and different looking faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   and being able to sort of like just say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:36   well that sort of thing doesn't happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   to people like us right now with plastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:40   a loop he says in both these books is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   yeah you're you wanna bet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44   how do you how do you how would feel if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:47   it did happen to people who looked like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:48   you who were you how then how horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3228">TS</a>]

00:53:51   would this be and that's that is one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53   these things that he doesn't answer is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:55   it's it's really really horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:58   spoiler alert not cool it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:01   terrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:02   that's O'Toole meanwhile takes Malia and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:05   I'm like on his back and breathe air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:09   into her mouth and maybe go into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:11   heart of the drowned cities and the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13   the climax there in the basement of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:15   capital basically and he gets he gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3255">TS</a>]

00:54:19   free because he was captured by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:22   protip do not take the captured half-man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:27   to your lair and hope he doesn't get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:33   yeah and talked a little while and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   justice and have a guy with the keys get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:37   a little too close to exactly it's a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3277">TS</a>]

00:54:39   of ground a bad idea because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:42   happens is he gets out and he like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3282">TS</a>]

00:54:43   literally kills just by tearing shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:46   or tearing them limb from limb every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3286">TS</a>]

00:54:49   major senior figure in this one militia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3289">TS</a>]

00:54:53   is just they're all dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   me and it's it's it's Malia and Jojo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:59   tool i think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   in the basement with dead people all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:04   around them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3304">TS</a>]

00:55:05   wow it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   a pretty dark oh and i didn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   mention the fact that I'm Malia's mother [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:12   has apparently squirrels away or stolen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:15   like all of the key artifacts of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:18   the Constitution you from the National [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:21   Archives she's basically taken all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3321">TS</a>]

00:55:23   valuable artifacts and hidden like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3323">TS</a>]

00:55:25   secret room in her apartment building [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:28   and once again playing with that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:30   idea of there's kind of two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3330">TS</a>]

00:55:32   civilizations here one people living in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:36   the dragon city with to uh you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38   children soldiers kill each other and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:40   crazy militias fighting over inch by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:43   inch over a city that's basically ruined [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:46   and worthless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3346">TS</a>]

00:55:47   yeah and then you have like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:48   businesspeople from China coming by to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:52   purchase a the artifacts artifacts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3352">TS</a>]

00:55:55   executor laying around because they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3355">TS</a>]

00:55:57   to save them from this this war-torn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3357">TS</a>]

00:56:00   place and this is right this actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3360">TS</a>]

00:56:02   happens in the real world right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:05   right right that people from the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:07   rich countries come to the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:09   countries and exploit them and accept [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:10   and occasionally the UN since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:12   peacekeeping forces right or NATO and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:15   that's what the a and you know as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:17   Americans were always the ones who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:19   sent to those places and so again just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3379">TS</a>]

00:56:21   like with the Vietnam parallel that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3381">TS</a>]

00:56:23   parallel of being the place where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:25   peacekeepers are sent and they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3385">TS</a>]

00:56:27   condescending and they're like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:28   people are savages why don't you why do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3388">TS</a>]

00:56:30   you do this why do you fight when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   could be cultured and have a democracy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:34   all of these things and and he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3394">TS</a>]

00:56:36   turns it he just turned it all around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:41   yeah so did you get did you get what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3401">TS</a>]

00:56:43   drowned city stands for did I get with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:46   the ground city stands for its DC oh I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3406">TS</a>]

00:56:50   did not make that connection haha very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:53   proud of myself when I realized that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:54   drowned cities means DC it's washington [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3414">TS</a>]

00:56:58   DC the drowned cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:00   well I did not pick up another haha off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02   two points for you Jay yes oh yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:06   finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:07   I'm off to my drought I 10 points for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:11   very long time it's true but so and tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:15   in this book is is is more to do it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3435">TS</a>]

00:57:18   is a lot more to do and and he was an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:21   interesting character in ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:23   but in drowned cities he is fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3443">TS</a>]

00:57:26   because you get you get more to Rennes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3446">TS</a>]

00:57:27   question about what we learned about him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:29   I don't think we learned his origin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   story that's still kind of a mystery [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33   other than the fact that he's just sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:34   of um didn't behave plank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:38   other like here is just not like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:40   other moms yeah it is his pack died and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:43   he should have just died with them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   he decided he didn't care and he would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:47   just be his own guy but such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:50   fascinating character because he is even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:52   though he has a monster he is he is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   above us in many ways i love that he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:57   more not just stronger but more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:59   intelligent and he's built for war right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:02   and he is priorities are very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   his morality is very different but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:06   does have a morality and he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:08   incredibly intelligent and it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:10   such a great character to see you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3490">TS</a>]

00:58:12   it is almost like an alien being in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3492">TS</a>]

00:58:14   way where he's he's except that he's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   above us like so many aliens are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:18   portrayed as being kind of like these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3498">TS</a>]

00:58:20   ethereal beings that are above us he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22   a is a killing machine but yet also is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:26   has all these other traits that are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:28   much better than the people we see it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   just it's a it's a really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   character true and I think he says at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34   one point the Betty what he does is he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:37   survives like he goes and he's been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:40   all these different battlefield he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:41   killed people on every confidence and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:44   write the main thing that he has learned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:46   is that he survives no matter what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3526">TS</a>]

00:58:48   battle he goes into he is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:50   survive and that's kind of how frames [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:52   his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:53   his whole view outlook on life he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:55   what he needs to do to survive and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:58   I think is kind of how he kinda [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:01   overrides his genetic programming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:04   somehow because he want he needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:05   survive he's not just going to lay down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   and die like the rest of them like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:09   think he should write when we need him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3549">TS</a>]

00:59:11   right he's been bitten by a gigantic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:13   crocodile and his arms almost falling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:16   off and he only has the 1i and but he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:21   makes it he survives it's hard it's hard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:23   to kill it is hard to kill as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3563">TS</a>]

00:59:26   enormous half man half tiger hyena dog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3566">TS</a>]

00:59:31   monster guy any word you what you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:36   expect that he be difficult to kill is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3576">TS</a>]

00:59:38   very hard to kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:39   this is true anyway he would I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3579">TS</a>]

00:59:41   really that was really good character to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:43   write was nice to see more of him and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:45   get a little more since I would like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:46   see him again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3586">TS</a>]

00:59:47   in fact maybe the next book will just be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:50   all about tool the Avengers a tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:52   that's right yeah it could be open up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:55   but maybe who knows it could be so so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:58   general the thumbs up for a drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3598">TS</a>]

00:59:58   general the thumbs up for a drink [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3598">TS</a>]

01:00:00   cities yeah i would think if you liked a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   ship breaker you like the drowned cities [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:06   i don't know if you necessarily have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3606">TS</a>]

01:00:08   breathe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:09   I mean you don't they don't continue the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:11   same story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3611">TS</a>]

01:00:12   no no crosses over so they stand alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   you don't have to read one or the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:15   if we're going to implementation I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:17   the implication is that is that drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:20   cities comes after ship breaker but even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:22   that it's not it's not a hundred percent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3622">TS</a>]

01:00:24   me a tool never mentions yeah any of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:28   what he's done in the previous book so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:30   right if you had to choose if you only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:33   have time for one of them i would think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3633">TS</a>]

01:00:35   you should show the ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   yeah but it really quick reads and there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:40   are both well done so i would say thumbs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:43   up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:43   yeah they don't feel dumb down I mean to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3643">TS</a>]

01:00:45   get back to the point about yaa books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3645">TS</a>]

01:00:47   and general david this is not a it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:49   dumb down book it just because I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:52   there isn't there isn't bad language [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:55   just maggots stream agate and if you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:58   offended by the word maggot don't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   that around cities there's lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:01   maggots are there is a lot of maggots [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3661">TS</a>]

01:01:03   all over the place but it's so funny to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3663">TS</a>]

01:01:04   me that so young adult fiction you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:07   don't swear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   and don't have sex but it's okay to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:11   kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3671">TS</a>]

01:01:12   cutting down kids and have really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:13   horrible violent things yeah really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3673">TS</a>]

01:01:16   twisted like psychological things going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:19   on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:19   that's ok but hey don't swear yeah we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:23   want the kids to get the wrong idea yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:24   i know i know it is very strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:27   it's a very strange set of parties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:28   because it is it is so I mean what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3688">TS</a>]

01:01:30   they're these are kids in with my ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3690">TS</a>]

01:01:32   machetes hacking off the arms of other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:35   kids and throwing acid in each other's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:37   faces you know this is not just horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:39   yeah it's not that they don't swear they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:41   just a maggot exactly so it's ok so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   all right i don't have sex except for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:45   the except well actually is a sex scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:47   in and around cities i guess we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:48   say because they wouldn't they they get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3708">TS</a>]

01:01:50   naylor high / drunk on stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:53   initiation or not naylor mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:56   yes his initiation into being the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3716">TS</a>]

01:01:57   faceless member of a militia and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:00   was that reminds me the kind of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:02   really chilly point for me is when mouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:04   starts at some point so the the kids uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:08   in the militia they they kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:11   basically shanghai mouse and he becomes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13   a soldier right and they give my name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   and donate right coast is his new name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:17   and at some point during the narrative a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:20   Palo stops calling and mouse himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:24   stops thinking of himself as mouse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:26   thinks of himself as ghosts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:27   yeah at that point you're like oh boy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3747">TS</a>]

01:02:29   that's after they get them to get them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:31   high and they thrown into the whorehouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3751">TS</a>]

01:02:33   basically the nail shed with Neil shed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:35   girls and when he wakes up the next day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:38   it's like ghosts woke up it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:40   agree that was very effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:42   yeah yeah it's terrible that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3762">TS</a>]

01:02:45   it's a it's his it his adventure is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:48   a happy one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50   he has a little PS a nice moment at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:52   end but it's not that nice shirt and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:55   mean I'm not a approved and I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:58   think that kids need to be sheltered but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3778">TS</a>]

01:03:00   I i was reading this I thought to myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:02   this is really a young adult book I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:04   it seems very extreme for a lot of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:08   the violence seems a little like my head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   I'd say the high school level and yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:13   guess that's true isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:14   my daughter I wouldn't have my daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3794">TS</a>]

01:03:16   read at ten there's no way but for high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3796">TS</a>]

01:03:20   school kind of audience i think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22   when i was reading stuff that was again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24   probably inappropriate for or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:27   would be considered an appropriate for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   my age but it was fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:30   I you know was fine read that piercing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:33   to me and go well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:34   ok so their sex in this book alright I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:37   don't know anything about that i'm only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:38   15 but i am going to read it and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3818">TS</a>]

01:03:43   know it which might be working in its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45   own way if piers anthony is teaching you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:47   about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:47   well that is gonna be dark got a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:53   thing but but I bi it this is yeah this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:56   is a like a high school level kinda and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:58   I mean I don't think it was it there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00   nothing that offended me your nose like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   a file it was of it's a good book i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:05   just reading it is the thing about young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:07   adult fiction that throws me is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:08   work young so I never know how young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:09   people are who are supposed to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:12   reading this I think red said it's sorta [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14   like it's sorta like 12 to 17 or 10 to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:17   17 and it's a broad broad spectrum and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:20   feel like my daughter is is creeping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3860">TS</a>]

01:04:22   toward being able to read some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:24   but it would be on the lower you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3864">TS</a>]

01:04:26   that the the younger and if admitted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:29   that is a broad range and at the high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:30   end you've got things that are you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:32   in some ways just you know adult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:34   essentially adult but it without you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3874">TS</a>]

01:04:38   know hardcore kind of sex and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:41   language stuff which is you know fine i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:44   mean i-i who's to say that this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3884">TS</a>]

01:04:45   would have been this book regardless and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:47   that it's just both of these books are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:50   late able to be labeled as yaa because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:54   they are what they are right you know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:56   or that but that politics loopy is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:59   not he doesn't feel the need to have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:02   know rough language and sex in every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:04   book that he writes I mean the windup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:05   girls got more sex and it's got more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3905">TS</a>]

01:05:07   rough language but he's not there some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3907">TS</a>]

01:05:09   writers that I think if you take that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:10   stuff away from them they would have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:11   hard time and that he doesn't strike me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:13   as being rather like that so maybe he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:15   writing is appropriate for that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:17   format right and I think like Ren said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:20   she didn't even realize that ship [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:21   breaker 10 adult book until she looked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:23   at it isn't a good sign that is a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:26   sign and I think that is very true i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:28   don't it doesn't feel like he set out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3928">TS</a>]

01:05:30   kind of reddish in on the eight kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:32   here's a book kids it's not like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3932">TS</a>]

01:05:35   you're gonna like it when you buy the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3935">TS</a>]

01:05:36   action figure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:37   so before we go I wanted to ask even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:40   though it's just you and me I want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:41   ask what are you reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:44   Scott a oddly enough i just finished a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:47   book that i was reading today so I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:51   it's not that on that you would finish a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:52   book that you're reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:54   well that'sthat's know what I guess not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:56   so the book i just finished was the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:59   only a sanction which is a mystery set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3959">TS</a>]

01:06:04   in ancient greece about this character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3964">TS</a>]

01:06:08   who is an agent and he looks into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:12   this mystery about this the sky who is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:14   representative of another city in athens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:16   and he dies mysteriously and so he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:19   so it's it's a detective novel set in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:22   ancient greece it is in fact that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:24   crazy that's great and there's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3984">TS</a>]

01:06:26   series of books that I'm reading that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:27   a detective series set in ancient Rome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:30   so is it interesting a while there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:33   whole sub-genre of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3993">TS</a>]

01:06:36   ancient Oracle detective historical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:38   detectives in ancient in the Asian child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/3998">TS</a>]

01:06:41   huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4001">TS</a>]

01:06:42   they're like is there a caveman [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:44   detective series there there probably is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:46   it's probably unless intricately [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:48   plotters i would assume he again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4008">TS</a>]

01:06:51   Chronicle this is a good thing it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:53   gold mine and and how about urself jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4013">TS</a>]

01:06:56   i am currently reading Leviathan wakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4016">TS</a>]

01:07:00   Oh which is one of the hugo nominees and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:03   we are going to do i believe our next [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:04   book club is going to be the the hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:07   novel nominees in a few weeks once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:11   everybody gets a chance to read some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:13   them I think we've all read some of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:14   because we've actually done a podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4034">TS</a>]

01:07:16   about two of them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4036">TS</a>]

01:07:18   that's true embassy town and a dance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:20   with dragons [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:21   hmm i but but i have no idea to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:24   deadline which is the sequel to feed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:26   oh I really cute which you have read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4046">TS</a>]

01:07:28   even say no don't spoil me sky any more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:31   than you already have I want to go in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:32   fresh because i'm going to read it the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:34   only reason i would read it is if it got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:36   nominated for Hugo and it did i'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:39   read it I am dreading the third one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4059">TS</a>]

01:07:41   getting knob and what a guy what was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4061">TS</a>]

01:07:44   other OEM among others by John Walton [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4064">TS</a>]

01:07:46   which has got to be the leader in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4066">TS</a>]

01:07:47   clubhouse I mean oh that is such and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:49   which one we should say Joe Waltons book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:52   among others which we praise on previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:54   podcast one the nebula award which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4074">TS</a>]

01:07:56   voted on not by fans who nominates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4076">TS</a>]

01:07:59   terrible books like feed store but by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:01   the science-fiction writers association [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4081">TS</a>]

01:08:03   of america so it's the science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:06   writers themselves nominating their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:09   peers and Joe Waltons book among others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:11   won the Nobel award for best novel and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:14   i heartily endorse the nebula orange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:17   because that was a great choice and I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:19   figure i'm probably gonna vote for among [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4099">TS</a>]

01:08:21   others for the hugo such a great book uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4101">TS</a>]

01:08:23   I having read all of the hugo of what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4103">TS</a>]

01:08:26   don't want to ruin anything but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:28   among others is the best yeah that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:30   best one so sorry Leviathan wakes which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:32   is also funny and that it is a it is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4112">TS</a>]

01:08:34   sort of on one level it's a kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:36   space operate kind of the man is spread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4116">TS</a>]

01:08:39   throughout the solar system and their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4119">TS</a>]

01:08:40   people and all the different systems but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:43   it too has one of its interlocking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:46   stories is really a detective story it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4126">TS</a>]

01:08:48   true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:49   up who's on the cut you know he's a cop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:51   on the beat these given a bomb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:53   assignment but it's about a girl who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:55   missing and is it his lieutenant tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:58   him to drop it but he can't drop it I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:00   mean it's all these great detective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:02   Norrish kind of tropes it's true except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:05   it's happening in an asteroid and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:08   there's a war happening and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4148">TS</a>]

01:09:09   mysterious ships that are blowing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:11   other ships and i'm only about halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:12   through it but I'm enjoying that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:14   that's and because I I registered for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16   the for the hugo awards i am I got the I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:21   got that novel as a as a PDF as part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:23   my packet as a voter and so I just been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4163">TS</a>]

01:09:25   reading it on my iPad and in the PDF [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4165">TS</a>]

01:09:27   which was very very pretty and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4167">TS</a>]

01:09:29   single the sequel just came out if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:31   there's a secret i didn't even know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4171">TS</a>]

01:09:32   I hope I i hope i can do you like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:34   because then I'll that I'll read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:35   sequel but I'm enjoying it so far [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:37   so that's what i'm reading is well fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4177">TS</a>]

01:09:39   weeks before that i read the drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4179">TS</a>]

01:09:40   cities which we talked about before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:42   trying to keep up for the the book that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:45   i mentioned i read view from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4185">TS</a>]

01:09:47   Imperium which is a leica space opera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:50   parody basically these bows and i have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:53   book on my kindle now that i should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:56   mention that it was on sale and maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58   even still be on sale i don't know but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4198">TS</a>]

01:09:59   you you said on Twitter that if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:01   enjoy smart space opera you should get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4201">TS</a>]

01:10:04   Sun of Suns yes i carly schroeder which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4204">TS</a>]

01:10:08   i bought i hope you enjoy it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:10   alright well Scott I feel like we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:12   we've covered the world the depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:14   future the destruction world of Paolo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:17   Bacigalupi i think i think i I'm a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4217">TS</a>]

01:10:19   little worried about him I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4219">TS</a>]

01:10:21   needs to lighten up because i have you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4221">TS</a>]

01:10:24   seen his twitter account is why this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4224">TS</a>]

01:10:25   girl is icon is a is a Mexican wrestler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:28   mask i did he's also maybe that is made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:31   so it's fun yeah it's kinda started but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4231">TS</a>]

01:10:33   I read his i should say i read his short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4233">TS</a>]

01:10:35   story collection pump six which is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4235">TS</a>]

01:10:37   good but again really depressing because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4237">TS</a>]

01:10:42   it's the same stuff it is the it is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4242">TS</a>]

01:10:44   terrible you know eco catastrophe peak [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4244">TS</a>]

01:10:48   oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4248">TS</a>]

01:10:49   yeah exactly had so i will close up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4249">TS</a>]

01:10:51   book club for this time and thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4251">TS</a>]

01:10:54   serenity caldwell who has left us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4254">TS</a>]

01:10:56   because she didn't read she's right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4256">TS</a>]

01:10:57   reading the drowned cities and learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4257">TS</a>]

01:11:01   about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:01   about the psychology of half-man tool [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4261">TS</a>]

01:11:04   and and scalability thank you so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4264">TS</a>]

01:11:07   for being here and and reading both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4267">TS</a>]

01:11:08   books and turning me on to ship breaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4268">TS</a>]

01:11:10   in the first place [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4270">TS</a>]

01:11:11   you're welcome i take all the credit for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4271">TS</a>]

01:11:12   any good book you've ever read and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4272">TS</a>]

01:11:15   glad that we got to got to the drowned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4275">TS</a>]

01:11:17   cities before you'd forgotten what was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4277">TS</a>]

01:11:18   in it I that I'm also glad that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4278">TS</a>]

01:11:23   i read is what happens is i read so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4283">TS</a>]

01:11:24   we decide on a book that we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4284">TS</a>]

01:11:26   talk about so i think i have to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4286">TS</a>]

01:11:29   this immediately and then not thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4289">TS</a>]

01:11:31   oh it's probably like a month or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4291">TS</a>]

01:11:32   before we actually talked about is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4292">TS</a>]

01:11:34   everybody else has to read it to exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4294">TS</a>]

01:11:36   and then I forget everything right so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4296">TS</a>]

01:11:39   you so we got at this time we did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4299">TS</a>]

01:11:41   I've only read two books since I read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4301">TS</a>]

01:11:43   the drowned cities and i should say for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:45   the those people out there who want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4305">TS</a>]

01:11:46   join the the incomparable book club you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:50   can find us on goodreads later on we are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4310">TS</a>]

01:11:53   on the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4313">TS</a>]

01:11:54   goodreads and our next book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4314">TS</a>]

01:11:58   selection is going to be the hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4318">TS</a>]

01:12:01   nominees so if you search for Hugo 2012 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4321">TS</a>]

01:12:06   i believe you will find the hugo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4326">TS</a>]

01:12:08   nominees but uh you know as we said they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4328">TS</a>]

01:12:11   are a dance with dragons by george RR [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4331">TS</a>]

01:12:13   martin among others by Joe Walton both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4333">TS</a>]

01:12:17   of which we've talked about a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4337">TS</a>]

01:12:18   embassy town by China Mieville which we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4338">TS</a>]

01:12:21   had a whole podcast about that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4341">TS</a>]

01:12:22   listen to if you like and the two that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4342">TS</a>]

01:12:26   have not yet read Leviathan wakes which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4346">TS</a>]

01:12:28   i'm reading now which is by James sa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4348">TS</a>]

01:12:32   Corey just not a real person not a real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4352">TS</a>]

01:12:37   person and me and deadlines which is by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4357">TS</a>]

01:12:40   mira grant also not a real person it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4360">TS</a>]

01:12:43   true and that's the sequel to feed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4363">TS</a>]

01:12:45   I'm just saying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4365">TS</a>]

01:12:46   for those of you who hate us beating up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4366">TS</a>]

01:12:47   on feed but I'm sorry for those of us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4367">TS</a>]

01:12:50   who love love to hear the beating up on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4370">TS</a>]

01:12:54   feed we're going to read the sequel and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4374">TS</a>]

01:12:57   then we're going to talk about it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4377">TS</a>]

01:12:59   it's very exciting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4379">TS</a>]

01:13:01   true i would say what I thought about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4381">TS</a>]

01:13:03   the sea no notes on the toilet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4383">TS</a>]

01:13:05   no I'm sure you loved it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4385">TS</a>]

01:13:07   it was really good liar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4387">TS</a>]

01:13:13   alright until that that forthcoming in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4393">TS</a>]

01:13:16   few weeks Hugo special book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4396">TS</a>]

01:13:19   this is jason sell for the uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4399">TS</a>]

01:13:21   thanks for listening thanks for tuning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4401">TS</a>]

01:13:23   in to our book club and making Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4403">TS</a>]

01:13:25   night field less lonely tonight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4405">TS</a>]

01:13:31   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMbmPPus/4411">TS</a>]