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91: The Hungry Tributes of Catan

 

00:00:00   the comfortable podcast number 91 may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/0">TS</a>]

00:00:11   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/11">TS</a>]

00:00:12   welcome back to the incomparable podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/12">TS</a>]

00:00:14   I'm Jason Snelling your host and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/14">TS</a>]

00:00:17   topic on this edition of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/17">TS</a>]

00:00:19   incomparable is the phenomenon known as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/19">TS</a>]

00:00:22   The Hunger Games which is which began as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/22">TS</a>]

00:00:27   a series of novels by suzanne collins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/27">TS</a>]

00:00:29   trilogy of and then recently was made [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/29">TS</a>]

00:00:33   into a major motion picture as they say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/33">TS</a>]

00:00:36   which made it a whole lot of money [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   directed by gary ross and starring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/38">TS</a>]

00:00:41   Jennifer Lawrence among others [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/41">TS</a>]

00:00:43   so we're going to talk about The Hunger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/43">TS</a>]

00:00:45   Games the book The Hunger Games them the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/45">TS</a>]

00:00:47   movie we will fire off the spoiler horn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/47">TS</a>]

00:00:50   and talk about the sequels to the hunger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/50">TS</a>]

00:00:53   games book and joining me to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/53">TS</a>]

00:00:57   everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/57">TS</a>]

00:00:58   Katniss Everdeen are my guests too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/58">TS</a>]

00:01:02   delightful guests or softly Schmeisser [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/62">TS</a>]

00:01:04   hi Lisa thanks for being here thanks for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/64">TS</a>]

00:01:06   having me and also serenity Caldwell hi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/66">TS</a>]

00:01:09   red [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/69">TS</a>]

00:01:10   hello alright so the hunger games now I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/70">TS</a>]

00:01:14   my story with the hunger games is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/74">TS</a>]

00:01:15   my wife was read the issues that she's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/75">TS</a>]

00:01:18   librarian and and she works at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/78">TS</a>]

00:01:20   Children's Library she reads a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/80">TS</a>]

00:01:21   children and young adult books and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/81">TS</a>]

00:01:23   enjoyed these books and was very excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/83">TS</a>]

00:01:26   to see the movie and she demanded that i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/86">TS</a>]

00:01:29   read that i read the books before the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/89">TS</a>]

00:01:32   movie came out so that we could go see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/92">TS</a>]

00:01:33   the movie with me having properly read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/93">TS</a>]

00:01:35   the book first as one is supposed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   so i did in fact I read all three in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/97">TS</a>]

00:01:40   course of a couple of weeks so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/100">TS</a>]

00:01:43   that was my introduction to this series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/103">TS</a>]

00:01:45   what about you guys uh were you both the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/105">TS</a>]

00:01:48   readers of the books before you saw the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/108">TS</a>]

00:01:50   movie i had heard bits and pieces about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/110">TS</a>]

00:01:54   the hunger games and i want to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/114">TS</a>]

00:01:55   December of 2010 or November 2010 the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/115">TS</a>]

00:01:59   third book in the series had just come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/119">TS</a>]

00:02:01   out and a friend of mine i had basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/121">TS</a>]

00:02:04   written this long very very long blog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/124">TS</a>]

00:02:08   post about how crushed she was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/128">TS</a>]

00:02:11   office about book 3 and not necessarily [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/131">TS</a>]

00:02:13   you know we'll get into later i'm sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/133">TS</a>]

00:02:15   the highs and lows of the the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/135">TS</a>]

00:02:18   this trilogy but I read enough to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/138">TS</a>]

00:02:22   realize like this could potentially be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/142">TS</a>]

00:02:24   really interesting book so over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/144">TS</a>]

00:02:27   winter holidays that year i think i got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/147">TS</a>]

00:02:29   home in los angeles on december twenty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/149">TS</a>]

00:02:32   fourth and i had bought the original the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/152">TS</a>]

00:02:34   hunger games the first book in theory to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/154">TS</a>]

00:02:37   give to my sister as a christmas present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/157">TS</a>]

00:02:39   and on my way home I mean it's easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/159">TS</a>]

00:02:45   sitting here she won't notice if I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/165">TS</a>]

00:02:47   read it before I wrap it and give it to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/167">TS</a>]

00:02:49   her so I read that book in 12 hours and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/169">TS</a>]

00:02:54   then the beauty of being able to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/174">TS</a>]

00:02:57   books on the internet instead of having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/177">TS</a>]

00:02:58   to wait until the bookstore opens the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/178">TS</a>]

00:03:00   next day is that on Christmas Eve and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/180">TS</a>]

00:03:03   Christmas Day i read catching fire and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/183">TS</a>]

00:03:06   mockingjay respectively on my kindle so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/186">TS</a>]

00:03:09   I managed to get through things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/189">TS</a>]

00:03:11   basically the entire book in a weekend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/191">TS</a>]

00:03:13   which was a very mostly after dark too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/193">TS</a>]

00:03:17   so it was a very weird rushed way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/197">TS</a>]

00:03:20   read this series which I actually think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/200">TS</a>]

00:03:21   kind of fits well with the weird crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/201">TS</a>]

00:03:25   things that go on to it but yeah it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/205">TS</a>]

00:03:28   kind of by accident but I mean I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/208">TS</a>]

00:03:32   know there are different there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/212">TS</a>]

00:03:33   things that we can talk about later with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/213">TS</a>]

00:03:35   the books in terms of their strengths [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/215">TS</a>]

00:03:37   and weaknesses but it was definitely use [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   a refreshing little series to read and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/219">TS</a>]

00:03:42   definitely better than some other young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/222">TS</a>]

00:03:44   adult that i've read recently about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/224">TS</a>]

00:03:47   Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   indulging in a little bit of personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   history on august 12 2010 my husband my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/231">TS</a>]

00:03:55   celebrated our tenth wedding anniversary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/235">TS</a>]

00:03:57   and we had originally planned on going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/237">TS</a>]

00:04:00   to Paris but I had just entered my third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/240">TS</a>]

00:04:02   trimester pregnancy so that the Paris [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/242">TS</a>]

00:04:06   trip and be put on hold and Phil gave me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/246">TS</a>]

00:04:09   a candle for my anniversary present [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/249">TS</a>]

00:04:11   instead I have some girlfriends who ry a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/251">TS</a>]

00:04:14   librarians and had talked about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/254">TS</a>]

00:04:17   first two books in the series and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/257">TS</a>]

00:04:19   noted that Mockingjay was coming out on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/259">TS</a>]

00:04:21   an August twenty-fourth 2010 and so what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/261">TS</a>]

00:04:25   I did is I actually downloaded all three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/265">TS</a>]

00:04:26   books on the day the Mockingjay dropped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/266">TS</a>]

00:04:29   and then spent the next week and propped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/269">TS</a>]

00:04:31   up on the couch learning how to use my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/271">TS</a>]

00:04:32   kindle and ready through those those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34   three books over and over again so I i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/274">TS</a>]

00:04:38   hella been one great go up over a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/278">TS</a>]

00:04:39   weekend and you know later up and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/279">TS</a>]

00:04:43   the next 18 months I've nursed my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/283">TS</a>]

00:04:44   daughter and rocked her down I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/284">TS</a>]

00:04:46   occasionally read snatches here and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/286">TS</a>]

00:04:47   there to myself and before the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/287">TS</a>]

00:04:49   movie came out i did go back and reread [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/289">TS</a>]

00:04:52   the original book just because I like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   see how movie adaptations what they keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57   what they don't and I'm better able to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/297">TS</a>]

00:04:59   jump that when the source material is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/299">TS</a>]

00:05:00   still pretty fresh and the books are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/300">TS</a>]

00:05:02   really fast early and so it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/302">TS</a>]

00:05:03   easier to work through the matter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05   hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/305">TS</a>]

00:05:06   yeah well that's into it it's good to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/306">TS</a>]

00:05:08   know that we all read the book before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/308">TS</a>]

00:05:10   the movie and in my case very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/310">TS</a>]

00:05:12   specifically which which is actually my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/312">TS</a>]

00:05:15   my story with them my story with a game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/315">TS</a>]

00:05:19   of thrones to as i heard it was gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/319">TS</a>]

00:05:20   made into a HBO series and so I started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/320">TS</a>]

00:05:23   reading the george RR martin books of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/323">TS</a>]

00:05:24   course I've read them all by the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/324">TS</a>]

00:05:26   the show come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/326">TS</a>]

00:05:26   so I was way ahead by the time the show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   came on the air but anyway so so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   hunger games so so let's uh let's start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/330">TS</a>]

00:05:33   with the book itself you know this is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/333">TS</a>]

00:05:36   this is a story if you if you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/336">TS</a>]

00:05:37   listening and do not know it's a sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/337">TS</a>]

00:05:40   post-apocalyptic story about it said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/340">TS</a>]

00:05:44   North America where the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/344">TS</a>]

00:05:45   used to exist but now it's the it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/345">TS</a>]

00:05:48   country of Panama and there are multiple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/348">TS</a>]

00:05:50   districts run by a capital which is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   advanced city in the rocky mountains and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/352">TS</a>]

00:05:55   if they're sort of the cruel overlords [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/355">TS</a>]

00:05:57   of the of the of the the country and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/357">TS</a>]

00:06:03   a mine and take all the resources from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/363">TS</a>]

00:06:06   all the different districts and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/366">TS</a>]

00:06:08   they live large while the district [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/368">TS</a>]

00:06:10   suffer and just to remind them with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/370">TS</a>]

00:06:13   their places they hold these annual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/373">TS</a>]

00:06:16   Hunger Games where it's a enjoyable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/376">TS</a>]

00:06:19   reality-tv kind of competition where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/379">TS</a>]

00:06:21   everybody dies except one the 24 young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/381">TS</a>]

00:06:23   people go let it go in one comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/383">TS</a>]

00:06:25   that one person is applauded and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27   other 23 or dead there awhile everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/387">TS</a>]

00:06:30   watches so we're here we've got we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32   had some political issues we've got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/392">TS</a>]

00:06:35   we've got a commentary about reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/395">TS</a>]

00:06:38   television [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/398">TS</a>]

00:06:39   there's lots of stuff going on which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   interesting for a book that is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/401">TS</a>]

00:06:42   it's a young adult book it's also you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/402">TS</a>]

00:06:44   know it's kinda kind of gruesome in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   sense that you know there are lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   people who died horrible deaths a young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/408">TS</a>]

00:06:52   people who died horrible deaths in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/412">TS</a>]

00:06:53   course of this book then actually Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/413">TS</a>]

00:06:55   you've touched on something that was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/415">TS</a>]

00:06:56   of my favorite time establishing details [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/416">TS</a>]

00:06:59   in the movie can we talk about that too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/419">TS</a>]

00:07:00   at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/420">TS</a>]

00:07:01   yeah I'm what one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/421">TS</a>]

00:07:03   establishing details that you see in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/423">TS</a>]

00:07:06   in the act one where it's setting up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/426">TS</a>]

00:07:07   though the world of the capital and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/427">TS</a>]

00:07:09   on and so forth is between stanley tucci [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/429">TS</a>]

00:07:11   and toby jones who are playing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/431">TS</a>]

00:07:14   respectively Caesar Flickerman and not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/434">TS</a>]

00:07:17   simple Smith but they're playing the two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/437">TS</a>]

00:07:20   people who are basically the the live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   mcs the the ryan seacrest's of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   hunger games that were and on spit it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/444">TS</a>]

00:07:27   on screen you see this really horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/447">TS</a>]

00:07:29   murder that's about to take place as one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/449">TS</a>]

00:07:32   child has pinned on another he's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/452">TS</a>]

00:07:33   to bashing his head with a brick and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/453">TS</a>]

00:07:35   stanley tucci says in this really banal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/455">TS</a>]

00:07:38   very again Ryan Seacrest edelivery and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/458">TS</a>]

00:07:43   here we see the moment where a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/463">TS</a>]

00:07:45   contestant is about to become a victor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/465">TS</a>]

00:07:48   and in San Fair plays and it's such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/468">TS</a>]

00:07:52   stunning overlay of the will full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/472">TS</a>]

00:07:55   version of a narrative in the media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/475">TS</a>]

00:07:58   where they're telling you what you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/478">TS</a>]

00:08:00   watching as opposed to what you are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/480">TS</a>]

00:08:01   actually watching which is one child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/481">TS</a>]

00:08:03   desperately fighting for its life as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   another one tries to kill him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/485">TS</a>]

00:08:06   um and again beautiful establishing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/486">TS</a>]

00:08:09   detail and that's something that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/489">TS</a>]

00:08:10   a lot of the books 2 i'm one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/490">TS</a>]

00:08:12   things that struck me in the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/492">TS</a>]

00:08:13   repeatedly is how casually Katniss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/493">TS</a>]

00:08:16   first to all of the myriad ways people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18   died in previous games you know because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/498">TS</a>]

00:08:21   she makes offhanded references to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/501">TS</a>]

00:08:22   Year everybody died of dehydration in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/502">TS</a>]

00:08:25   the desert or the everybody froze to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/505">TS</a>]

00:08:27   death or the year there was a volcano [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/507">TS</a>]

00:08:28   and somebody got decapitated and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/508">TS</a>]

00:08:31   it's just the matter of fact this with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/511">TS</a>]

00:08:33   oh yes every year we have to watch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/513">TS</a>]

00:08:35   people horribly die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/515">TS</a>]

00:08:36   boom it's it's it's like a walking case [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/516">TS</a>]

00:08:38   of PTSD and that's only like the first [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40   few chapters of the book and we get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/520">TS</a>]

00:08:44   introduced to the world far before we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/524">TS</a>]

00:08:46   actually get placed in the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/526">TS</a>]

00:08:48   themselves and i know some people who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/528">TS</a>]

00:08:50   hadn't read the books and saw the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/530">TS</a>]

00:08:53   and they're like why you know we get so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   much of the preparation and so little of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/535">TS</a>]

00:08:57   the games themselves and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/537">TS</a>]

00:08:59   largely to make a point where it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/539">TS</a>]

00:09:01   we you know the movie although it's been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/541">TS</a>]

00:09:04   in the books have even compared to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/544">TS</a>]

00:09:07   battle royale it's really not about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   children fighting it's about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/549">TS</a>]

00:09:10   psychology of everything behind it it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/550">TS</a>]

00:09:14   about this you know its expenses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/554">TS</a>]

00:09:16   packaging too because yeah because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/556">TS</a>]

00:09:19   because when you think about it it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   biggest damn Khan that anybody could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/561">TS</a>]

00:09:24   possibly run because I want it I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/564">TS</a>]

00:09:28   realize that part of the the horror of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   the Hunger Games is supposed to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   gap between how it sold to its pampered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/572">TS</a>]

00:09:33   citizens of the capital as a no it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   reality show with these brave tributes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/575">TS</a>]

00:09:37   and so on and so forth versus what it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/577">TS</a>]

00:09:38   actually is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/578">TS</a>]

00:09:39   which is state-sanctioned murder but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/579">TS</a>]

00:09:42   what I think she focuses on excessively [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   or the way that the tributes are our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/584">TS</a>]

00:09:46   buffed and polished and brought up to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/586">TS</a>]

00:09:47   capital standards and and and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/587">TS</a>]

00:09:50   part of the narrative that the makeover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/590">TS</a>]

00:09:51   narrative which is a convention of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/591">TS</a>]

00:09:53   reality TV and then there's the training [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/593">TS</a>]

00:09:55   narrative which is another thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/595">TS</a>]

00:09:56   pretty popular like in Survivor Amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/596">TS</a>]

00:09:58   Grace and and I think she has a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/598">TS</a>]

00:10:01   really trench and things to say about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/601">TS</a>]

00:10:03   the way we package even our news as as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/603">TS</a>]

00:10:07   moral entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/607">TS</a>]

00:10:08   I think she did say that she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/608">TS</a>]

00:10:10   inspired to write the books after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/610">TS</a>]

00:10:11   looking at how we covered um how the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/611">TS</a>]

00:10:14   media covered wars in Afghanistan and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   Iraq and in contrast that against the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/616">TS</a>]

00:10:19   the boom in reality TV that was taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/619">TS</a>]

00:10:21   place at the same time are definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/621">TS</a>]

00:10:23   media satire is a huge threat of this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/623">TS</a>]

00:10:26   it is it goes into the manufacturing of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/626">TS</a>]

00:10:28   contest [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/628">TS</a>]

00:10:29   it's in the creation of storylines yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/629">TS</a>]

00:10:31   and in fact it's even echoed I i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/631">TS</a>]

00:10:35   reminded while reading it the of how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/635">TS</a>]

00:10:39   take you take sort of a pure premise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/639">TS</a>]

00:10:41   then over time in order to keep people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/641">TS</a>]

00:10:43   interested you have to modify it so in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/643">TS</a>]

00:10:45   in the hunger games that i was always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   structed you know the way I envisioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   it when once they start to play it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/649">TS</a>]

00:10:50   see that there's this pandering to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/650">TS</a>]

00:10:52   sponsors where they will actually drop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/652">TS</a>]

00:10:54   in you know gifts which changed the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/654">TS</a>]

00:10:57   course of the game and of course the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/657">TS</a>]

00:11:00   gamemaster does things and this is much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/660">TS</a>]

00:11:03   I I thought much more clear in the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/663">TS</a>]

00:11:05   that that there are even more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/665">TS</a>]

00:11:06   aggressively middle manipulative about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/666">TS</a>]

00:11:07   what's going on to get what they want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/667">TS</a>]

00:11:09   but also you know people have to do what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/669">TS</a>]

00:11:12   they want to do in front of the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/672">TS</a>]

00:11:13   to get to get the right result from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/673">TS</a>]

00:11:16   producers and i will remind me of is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/676">TS</a>]

00:11:19   like on Survivor originally that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/679">TS</a>]

00:11:22   had a very clear set of rules and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/682">TS</a>]

00:11:24   over time it's like well we'll throw in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/684">TS</a>]

00:11:26   this rule will throw in that role in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/686">TS</a>]

00:11:27   what will be able to have a you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/687">TS</a>]

00:11:29   exile Island and you'll have a tiki idol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/689">TS</a>]

00:11:32   that you can hold that makes you immune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/692">TS</a>]

00:11:33   and it just became incredibly complex [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/693">TS</a>]

00:11:36   and american idol the same way they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   added the ability for judges to save a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   contestant who lost the vote and and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/700">TS</a>]

00:11:43   that it really reminded me of that when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45   i was reading Hunger Games that not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   is this about media construction but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50   it's about a a something that started [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/710">TS</a>]

00:11:53   out as a more straightforward [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/713">TS</a>]

00:11:54   competition that has had to be that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/714">TS</a>]

00:11:56   itself that this terrible competition [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/716">TS</a>]

00:11:58   has been corrupted because they have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   they have to keep the interest and keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/720">TS</a>]

00:12:01   the drama and and it's you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/721">TS</a>]

00:12:04   even a fair competition anymore they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/724">TS</a>]

00:12:07   there that even that has gone by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/727">TS</a>]

00:12:09   wayside like they talk about how i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/729">TS</a>]

00:12:11   going in that the people from district 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/731">TS</a>]

00:12:13   and 2 3 maybe evidence for that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/733">TS</a>]

00:12:16   first closest districts to the capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/736">TS</a>]

00:12:20   you're not supposed to raise people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/740">TS</a>]

00:12:21   be tributes to to be in the hunger games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/741">TS</a>]

00:12:23   but they do and everybody knows they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/743">TS</a>]

00:12:25   and those ones usually win and so so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/745">TS</a>]

00:12:28   even there even in this and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   it's a corrupt society with this this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/750">TS</a>]

00:12:32   game at its heart and even the game is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/752">TS</a>]

00:12:34   completely corrupt even the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/754">TS</a>]

00:12:37   should have been like sort of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   you could you be like well okay you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/759">TS</a>]

00:12:41   terrible and you're gonna make me die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/761">TS</a>]

00:12:42   but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/762">TS</a>]

00:12:43   at least I got a fighting chance like no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/763">TS</a>]

00:12:44   you don't even have that actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/764">TS</a>]

00:12:47   premise of the professional tributes or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/767">TS</a>]

00:12:49   what they call the careers she draws a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   line in the book where it's okay because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   districts 12 and four have had a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/773">TS</a>]

00:12:56   tributes when do they have a cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/776">TS</a>]

00:12:58   culture of career tributes whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/778">TS</a>]

00:13:00   districts like 12 11 the rest of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/780">TS</a>]

00:13:03   super poor go they don't that really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/783">TS</a>]

00:13:06   doesn't make sense from a from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/786">TS</a>]

00:13:09   resource resources perspective because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/789">TS</a>]

00:13:12   would think if you're if you're really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/792">TS</a>]

00:13:14   poor district somebody add at a local [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/794">TS</a>]

00:13:17   level is going to make the calculation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/797">TS</a>]

00:13:19   that it makes sense to cultivate some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/799">TS</a>]

00:13:21   children to go out and fight to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/801">TS</a>]

00:13:23   death for you so that your entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/803">TS</a>]

00:13:25   district can get allotments and so why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/805">TS</a>]

00:13:27   wouldn't you pull your resources and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/807">TS</a>]

00:13:30   try to and try to build up strong strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   candidates in the poor districts in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/812">TS</a>]

00:13:34   hope of reallocate those resources [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/814">TS</a>]

00:13:35   rather than just say okay here's two or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/815">TS</a>]

00:13:37   three districts that are always going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/817">TS</a>]

00:13:38   win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/818">TS</a>]

00:13:39   off you go kids go die um it doesn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/819">TS</a>]

00:13:42   doesn't make sense especially in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/822">TS</a>]

00:13:43   culture where they've had 75 years to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   get used to the games you think at this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/825">TS</a>]

00:13:46   point you would have had somebody in one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/826">TS</a>]

00:13:48   of the districts that said alright let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/828">TS</a>]

00:13:49   start taking a look at our ten-year olds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   and and figure out which ones we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/831">TS</a>]

00:13:52   turn to blood foreseeable killers and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/832">TS</a>]

00:13:55   after a few years this dish and pan out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/835">TS</a>]

00:13:57   for us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/837">TS</a>]

00:13:57   I mean it really depends on the makeup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/837">TS</a>]

00:14:00   of the district's to is that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   that a large reason why districts 12 and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/842">TS</a>]

00:14:05   four have the career tribute is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   necessarily just that oh they decided [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/847">TS</a>]

00:14:09   that it would be a good plan to to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   up schools it's that what they make for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/851">TS</a>]

00:14:14   the capital is largely a lot easier i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/854">TS</a>]

00:14:18   want to say like what district district [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/858">TS</a>]

00:14:21   one makes jewelry or luxury goods yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/861">TS</a>]

00:14:24   luxury goods & district for makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/864">TS</a>]

00:14:27   fishing or does fishing and yes or two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/867">TS</a>]

00:14:29   is in charge of masonry I kind of got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/869">TS</a>]

00:14:33   the picture that the poor districts are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/873">TS</a>]

00:14:36   horror primarily because their children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/876">TS</a>]

00:14:38   are having two more or less illegally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   work to keep things that status quo i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/880">TS</a>]

00:14:44   actually have the Hunger Games tribute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   guide which is not my meat I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/886">TS</a>]

00:14:48   kiddin my 14 year old niece is a huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/888">TS</a>]

00:14:50   fan and she let me borrow it for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/890">TS</a>]

00:14:51   sake of this podcast and the tribute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53   guide is actually written like a piece [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   of propaganda for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/895">TS</a>]

00:14:56   a citizen of the capital you know for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/896">TS</a>]

00:14:58   example they describe the reaping they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/898">TS</a>]

00:15:00   describe it as festive and they talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/900">TS</a>]

00:15:02   about how awesome every trick it is but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/902">TS</a>]

00:15:04   they break down the did they break down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/904">TS</a>]

00:15:05   the districts and what they make and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   this might be according to the movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/907">TS</a>]

00:15:08   but yea district 1 is the luxury goods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/908">TS</a>]

00:15:10   district district who does masonry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/910">TS</a>]

00:15:12   district 3 is technology these are the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/912">TS</a>]

00:15:15   people who are taught from an early age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/915">TS</a>]

00:15:16   how to program computers how to get out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/916">TS</a>]

00:15:18   how to make circuit like that district 4 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/918">TS</a>]

00:15:20   is fishing district 5 is your power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/920">TS</a>]

00:15:23   district district 6 is allegedly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/923">TS</a>]

00:15:25   transportation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/925">TS</a>]

00:15:26   where is the guide notes ironically the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/926">TS</a>]

00:15:29   citizens your help little love for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/929">TS</a>]

00:15:30   travel district 7 as lumber district 8 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/930">TS</a>]

00:15:34   is textiles district nine is grain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/934">TS</a>]

00:15:36   district 10 as livestock district 11 as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/936">TS</a>]

00:15:38   agriculture district was mining so so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/938">TS</a>]

00:15:41   takes the release point that some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/941">TS</a>]

00:15:43   these districts like basically district [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/943">TS</a>]

00:15:45   nine through eleven with sugar and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/945">TS</a>]

00:15:46   districts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/946">TS</a>]

00:15:47   I mean the kids are probably working the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/947">TS</a>]

00:15:49   fields all day but the problem I have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/949">TS</a>]

00:15:51   with these districts is there so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   simplified that I mean have you read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55   like that it really I feel like we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   watching a game of settlers of catan you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/957">TS</a>]

00:15:59   like that it's like the hungry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/959">TS</a>]

00:16:01   tributes of catan i didn't had gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   horribly horribly wrong and the people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05   who make the lumber and the claim have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/965">TS</a>]

00:16:07   25 each other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/967">TS</a>]

00:16:08   oh yeah and but it you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/968">TS</a>]

00:16:12   district that the Katniss is from it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/972">TS</a>]

00:16:16   like a town in the in the mountains with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/976">TS</a>]

00:16:20   like a few people it I I struggle I find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/980">TS</a>]

00:16:24   the setting of of the this book I guess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/984">TS</a>]

00:16:27   I'm kind of unbelievable that uh that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/987">TS</a>]

00:16:31   seems to fall apart if you try to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/991">TS</a>]

00:16:33   about it too much because district 12 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/993">TS</a>]

00:16:36   a Dorothea Lange photograph and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/996">TS</a>]

00:16:38   just to justice will be out of town up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/998">TS</a>]

00:16:40   and you know up in the up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1000">TS</a>]

00:16:41   mountains north carolina foothills yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:44   i understand from this is that i mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:46   the the whole premise of the the wide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1006">TS</a>]

00:16:49   world of Penn m is it's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:50   post-apocalyptic post-apocalyptic USA [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1010">TS</a>]

00:16:53   where nukes were dropped bad endings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1013">TS</a>]

00:16:57   happened and basically the entire world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1017">TS</a>]

00:17:00   water levels really so that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:01   batteries of the u.s. aren't what they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1021">TS</a>]

00:17:02   used to be so yeah the way that I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:06   of interpret the district is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   that initially you can say oh the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:11   districts are the equivalent of states [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   and there are only 12 states and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   the capital is a state within itself but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:18   as i continue to read the books i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1038">TS</a>]

00:17:20   i get more of the feeling that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   district's our cities and that's really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   like the only safe places that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   supposedly are in penn mr just these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   twelve cities because everything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:30   has been so blasted by radiation or and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1050">TS</a>]

00:17:33   by just you know unhappy one Hospital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1053">TS</a>]

00:17:36   uninhabitable situations or at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:39   that's the propaganda I kind of took the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:41   parallel for the Soviet Union to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1061">TS</a>]

00:17:44   back in back in the days of the old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:46   Soviet republics they did try to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:47   cultivate a tourist train and one and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:50   natural gas trade and another and an oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1070">TS</a>]

00:17:53   trading third and you know that lumber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:57   up and up and you know up in the north [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1077">TS</a>]

00:17:59   and things like that and granted we saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:01   how well that model did not work because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:03   um it seems like a really effective way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:07   to to brutalize the updated to brutalize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:09   it up people to is to point out that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1089">TS</a>]

00:18:11   know you have no chance of mobility you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1091">TS</a>]

00:18:13   were born a farmer you're gonna die a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1093">TS</a>]

00:18:14   farmer and the state needs your food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:18   sure figuratively that makes sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   understanding you want to try to look at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:21   this logically I and how you talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1101">TS</a>]

00:18:23   the travel times between the different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   zones and all that it's sort of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:27   it's like she wants to tell me dammit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   story about what's happening in these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:30   districts and yet you know it i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:33   have understood if they had said that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:34   district 12 is a you know is a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1114">TS</a>]

00:18:38   mining towns up and down this entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:39   mountain range and she's from one town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1119">TS</a>]

00:18:41   that happens to be near the seat of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:44   and you know their one little cog in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   wheel of this district that's mining [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:47   that's apparently is literally like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:49   got a small town here up in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1129">TS</a>]

00:18:51   mountains there's 100 people and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1131">TS</a>]

00:18:53   where the whole district right here it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:54   a no-no how yeah that's yeah it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1134">TS</a>]

00:18:57   you know but that's ok if this is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   lot of hand waving with the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   to because it if they have these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   hardscrabble existence is where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:04   wash out of bases and then we're on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:06   train and order the Rockies and magnetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1146">TS</a>]

00:19:08   levitation is you know it's it's she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:11   the point here is not is not to take it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:13   too literally the point here is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1153">TS</a>]

00:19:14   she's making media satire and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1154">TS</a>]

00:19:15   making political satire she's talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:17   about uh you know in many ways this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:20   like um 1984 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1160">TS</a>]

00:19:22   or as as young adult fiction it its it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1162">TS</a>]

00:19:26   and and I was actually impressed as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:29   read the sequences in the capital of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   course in the in the success of books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:33   you get more of this to that that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1173">TS</a>]

00:19:35   is you know this is the flash the flashy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1175">TS</a>]

00:19:38   story is about the the tributes going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1178">TS</a>]

00:19:40   down into the into the arena but it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:43   know it's really a story about a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1183">TS</a>]

00:19:44   totalitarian government and depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   its people and ended that way I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:48   it was like oh this is like you know my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1188">TS</a>]

00:19:50   little golden book 1984 which is nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:53   and subversive and i like that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1193">TS</a>]

00:19:55   have the place as as goofy as some of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:57   the technology does I can kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1197">TS</a>]

00:20:00   explain it away in my head logistical e [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1200">TS</a>]

00:20:02   but yeah I mean it's definitely the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:05   hunger games does not set out to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:07   super ok we're going to be completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:11   factually accurate about what would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1211">TS</a>]

00:20:13   happen in the case of a post a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:15   post-apocalyptic United States but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1215">TS</a>]

00:20:19   mean they have a lot of this that said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:22   she plays with a lot of really strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24   and fascinating technology the game can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:28   we talk about the game for a second just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   the actual Hunger Games and the okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:33   yeah he has to start firing up a spoiler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:36   horn so the pediatric well yeah we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:38   going to talk about the I feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:40   constrained don't know we yes exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:42   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1242">TS</a>]

00:20:43   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:46   we're going to talk freely about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:47   first book in the movie we will warn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:49   people before we talk about the sequel's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:51   so go for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:53   ray ok so talking about the way let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:57   let's get into the killing the hundred [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1257">TS</a>]

00:21:00   games themselves at heinz oh yeah Jason [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:06   yeah well she wins for this book so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1266">TS</a>]

00:21:11   really love the light love is a weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1271">TS</a>]

00:21:15   word to use about kids killing each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1275">TS</a>]

00:21:17   other in a in a crazy what Truman Show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:21   like dome but i love the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1281">TS</a>]

00:21:25   behind the hunger games like I love that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   it's basically a giant virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30   chessboard for this group of engineers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:33   and you don't really get to see that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:34   the books you know because it's all from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:37   Katniss's point of view so you can only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:39   really interact with the technology [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:40   through her eyes so you hear about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1300">TS</a>]

00:21:43   the mutations or the blood tests much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:46   imagination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1306">TS</a>]

00:21:47   yeah yeah mutations which i always want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1307">TS</a>]

00:21:50   to pronounce as much seoeon's because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:53   don't know why it is because they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:54   French yes so even want to show friends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:58   friends will tell you we are doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1318">TS</a>]

00:22:00   people we do not like that'll happen so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:03   income like in comparison to the film i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1323">TS</a>]

00:22:07   really like that we get to see seneca [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:09   cranes big headquarters and we get more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   interaction you know we get to see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:13   engineers building the the dogs like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1333">TS</a>]

00:22:15   yeah let's let's place that here let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:18   make a tree fall it's not first person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   that I i think that's a huge strength of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:21   the of the movie is that it we are not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:24   locked in Katniss's perspective for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   entire thing we can't see the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   being planted that so I found myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:30   really digging for that in in the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1350">TS</a>]

00:22:32   series but certainly the movie did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1352">TS</a>]

00:22:35   will get to it but and certainly the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1355">TS</a>]

00:22:37   movie did a very good job of letting you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39   see the game master and the attic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:43   the end the politics behind the scenes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:45   while they're in there that that added a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:48   huge it was just it was a great thing to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:50   add into also love coming again they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1370">TS</a>]

00:22:52   illustrate how blithely disconnected the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54   capital the capital citizens and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:57   capital workers are from the nature of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:59   the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1379">TS</a>]

00:22:59   and because you've got these workers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   are very intently just maneuvering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   things in the board and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:04   obviously jockeying for their boss's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1384">TS</a>]

00:23:05   approval and they clearly don't care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:09   that what they're basically doing is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1389">TS</a>]

00:23:11   making it very very easy for children to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1391">TS</a>]

00:23:13   die instead it's like a boss do you want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:16   me to divert this river yeah that sounds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:17   great let's move her and and for them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1397">TS</a>]

00:23:20   it's it's it's they're basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:21   manipulating pixels that's where it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:23   begins and ends with them and I i found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1403">TS</a>]

00:23:25   that sense of detachment to be really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:26   really chilling an effective or more so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:29   than if you had peeps somebody who came [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1409">TS</a>]

00:23:31   in and said hey does it ever bother you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1411">TS</a>]

00:23:33   that we are moving with human beings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:34   lives know that the fact that nobody did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:37   that i thought was the best thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1417">TS</a>]

00:23:38   could have done that these people don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:39   even bother to think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:40   contestants as human beings anymore that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:43   that part of the story is over and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:44   they're just chess pieces that they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:45   just kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1425">TS</a>]

00:23:46   what do you think I want to do it no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:48   that guy already died he was our he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1428">TS</a>]

00:23:50   executed the 73rd yeah we don't talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:53   about him you know actually okay here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55   a question about prior Hunger Games how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:58   come nobody ever tried civil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1438">TS</a>]

00:23:59   disobedience where were like all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:01   contestants just that all right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:02   what we're not participating we're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1442">TS</a>]

00:24:03   gonna hang out the Cornucopia and hold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1443">TS</a>]

00:24:05   hands [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:06   you know because if it's televised the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:08   capital is in a position where either [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:11   they're going to have to start killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1451">TS</a>]

00:24:12   off the contestants families or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:13   great circle have two contestants on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1453">TS</a>]

00:24:15   live TV like it never occurred to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1455">TS</a>]

00:24:16   anybody to to rally up the other the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:20   other tributes and say we're not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:21   to participate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:22   everyone goes in this with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1462">TS</a>]

00:24:23   assumption they have to participate and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:25   I can't believe that in 74 years nobody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:28   ever tried it differently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:29   I suspect they have but i also suspect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:31   you know you have districts 12 and four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:35   you have the career tribute to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:36   people who think oh well what if that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:39   a trap and they're just saying let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1479">TS</a>]

00:24:41   hold hands so one of us you know can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:43   drop down with a machete and kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1483">TS</a>]

00:24:44   everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:45   that's the absolute the the hunger games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1485">TS</a>]

00:24:47   where everybody died of dehydration [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1487">TS</a>]

00:24:49   who's to say that they didn't its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   channel refuse to fight and so they just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   turn up the heat and and tried to see if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   they could make them fight until they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:57   all dropped right now I also think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1497">TS</a>]

00:24:58   you're right the capital could have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:00   manipulating the narrative so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:01   there-there is that i have millions of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03   cameras and I mean the hunger games is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   but even in this one starts off with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:07   lots of allies and friendships among the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1507">TS</a>]

00:25:11   contestants until it gets down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:12   2 2 or 3 so what's to say that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1512">TS</a>]

00:25:15   don't start it off as oh yeah all 24 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:17   let's see how they slowly turn against [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:20   each other I mean that's typical reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   television isn't it you put everybody in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:24   the house when you watch them crack [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1524">TS</a>]

00:25:26   basically and the the beauty of the they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:29   could have made it 24 wonder what did we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:33   learn from the first season of survivor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:35   is alliances are formed even though you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:38   know there can only be one winner and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   that happens here and that's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:41   fascinating the idea that we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1541">TS</a>]

00:25:43   join together and work together for some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45   unknown period of time and then we'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:46   turn on each other and and kill each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1546">TS</a>]

00:25:48   other and that's a natural kind of thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1548">TS</a>]

00:25:50   so you end up getting the oh well world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1550">TS</a>]

00:25:53   could work together but you know that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1553">TS</a>]

00:25:54   the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:56   something's gonna happen and that for me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:58   that was a lot of big drama in watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   what was happening with with Katniss was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:03   you know she when she teams up with roo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:05   um there is an underlying fear there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1565">TS</a>]

00:26:09   and likewise with pita that up until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:11   they change the rules in the middle of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1571">TS</a>]

00:26:12   the game which always seemed really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:14   kinky to me that the big fear is what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:17   we're too successful because if we're to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:18   successful we will be the last two and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:20   then one of us has to kill the other one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22   right i mean that's like a fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24   kind of alternate like sidebar fear that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:27   is what if we win because then my buddy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:30   I I you know I hope my buddy dies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:31   accidentally by a stray arrow but before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1591">TS</a>]

00:26:34   we get to the end because i don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1594">TS</a>]

00:26:35   to kill her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:36   well did they chichi handle she has that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:38   scenario kind of it in with a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:41   of back story book number two which will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1601">TS</a>]

00:26:42   get to when we get to it but that goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:45   through cause you're like oh gosh what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47   is cat is going to do about room later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:48   on and and well actually someone did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1608">TS</a>]

00:26:50   before so this other whatever you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:55   i-i-i again sweet character i can i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1615">TS</a>]

00:26:58   i felt a little manipulated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   oh yeah no I mean she's they're entirely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   to stand yell to die in to stand in as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:07   figure for Katniss's sister [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09   yeah and comedian she's painted like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:12   that from the start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:13   oh yeah but because of the only person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   Katniss cares about and so this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:17   is part of the emotional education of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:18   katniss everdeen and learning how to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:20   care about other people to exactly what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:22   we talked about the the the romance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:26   aspect here because that was that what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1646">TS</a>]

00:27:27   was feeling kind of twilit while I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:29   reading I have to say I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   this is you know if you're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:33   write a young adult novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   note to self because I wrote one and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:36   didn't do this so this is obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:38   something for the rewrite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:39   you know you're gonna have the female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:42   character with the two male characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   both over its similar and yet different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   no I just can't decide and oh I know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:48   must be him no no no it must be him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1668">TS</a>]

00:27:51   no no it must be him instead that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:54   like that is a pathway to riches i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:56   tell ya dad drove me with with the with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:59   now I'm gonna remember there's with Gail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1679">TS</a>]

00:28:01   and Peeta that was you know I i had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:04   motor like really really good in a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   that i really enjoyed that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:07   moment like this feels a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   calculated to me that I have to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   romantic subplot where she's torn and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:13   just it felt very much like well it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1693">TS</a>]

00:28:15   worked for twilight let's do it here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:16   which is why I really enjoy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1696">TS</a>]

00:28:17   presidents no calls around her patent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   and sincerity towards Peter at the end I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:22   I thought that was just delightful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1702">TS</a>]

00:28:23   because because he's got her number [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:25   oh yeah he rubs it in oh yeah i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:28   it's interesting that in both cases it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:30   not that while Gail and Peeta may [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:33   express themselves and their intentions [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   towards Katniss she she looked and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:38   is my problem because there's not a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:42   whole lot I i did read that a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   people to kill here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   yeah yeah I i did read the twilight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:47   books and and she doesn't really do a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:49   whole lot of the the introspective but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:51   me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:52   Oh what do they see anything that says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1732">TS</a>]

00:28:54   special vs that Bella Swan did instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1734">TS</a>]

00:28:56   she's like again either she either she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:58   has gained to catch she has people to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1738">TS</a>]

00:29:00   kill and she will figure it all out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:02   later [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:03   well she is and she's clueless about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05   for a long period of time which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:06   thought was turning it shows how young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1746">TS</a>]

00:29:08   she really is and it's you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   movie you know you can't you can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   really cast thirteen-year-olds in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   movie but that was actually one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:15   big problems with the movie is that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   like like watching any TV show set in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:20   high school you've got a whole bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1760">TS</a>]

00:29:21   people in their mid-twenties me a 16 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   year olds and and you miss at least at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:26   least some of the characters like rue [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1766">TS</a>]

00:29:27   were they cast young and so you could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:30   like oh she's really young but the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:31   characters are older and you know in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:34   book that was a nice bit of Katniss is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1774">TS</a>]

00:29:36   she's so capable in so many ways and yet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:39   no she you know doesn't really even have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:43   just really even get it with Gail like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45   later Shannon ok I'll he actually is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   kind of interesting huh i have the right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:49   it's like sheet it's not it doesn't even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1789">TS</a>]

00:29:51   occur to her because she's young and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53   she's really just not even focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:55   that at the same time he's focused on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57   feeding your family and you know where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:59   and whereas in in the movie it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:03   different it's a very different story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:04   because Jennifer Lawrence is a you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06   she's he's a full-grown woman she's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:08   full-grown woman that she's she's on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   younger side I think she's like 22 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:12   something but yeah but but she's still a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1812">TS</a>]

00:30:15   full-grown woman and it and it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:16   different meaning when when when you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:20   read it that way and also I don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:22   escaped your notice the forest younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:23   brother is pretty hot so so that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:26   a little bit of there's a little bit of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:27   that it is 37 brother i had that moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   where i was watching it and get thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:30   he looks familiar he's he's kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1830">TS</a>]

00:30:32   Thor Captain Kirk's dad but he's younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1832">TS</a>]

00:30:36   and then at the end i see i see that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1836">TS</a>]

00:30:39   has a is actually a hips worth my weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41   haha i don't know what they're putting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:43   the water in that family but Asgard they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1843">TS</a>]

00:30:45   grow big group projects water so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   referring once again to the Hunger Games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   tribute guide flipping through it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:50   now and a lot of the background tribute [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:53   to get killed almost immediately they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1853">TS</a>]

00:30:55   actually did cast people who look really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1855">TS</a>]

00:30:57   young and childlike I'm oh yeah well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1857">TS</a>]

00:30:59   that's the trip night is is that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:01   they tried to get the idea that young [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1861">TS</a>]

00:31:02   people are going to die by having a TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1862">TS</a>]

00:31:05   and important parts but the important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:06   parts when two people who were 20 21 in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:09   there Tony [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:09   yeah yeah you got stars yeah in in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:12   future in a post-apocalyptic future [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:14   people mature much faster that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1874">TS</a>]

00:31:17   literally information let the hard world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:19   you have to get is that when you're the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:20   mines and didn't wealth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   oh yeah yeah i mean in the movie i have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:26   to say they did a pretty good job of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1886">TS</a>]

00:31:28   romance without making it feel / rot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1888">TS</a>]

00:31:31   I really love the look and feel of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:32   movie but the one thing I think they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34   wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:34   um I i just liked how they they turn the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:37   capital aesthetic into i'm christian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:40   lacroix needs Marie Antoinette because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:43   it's a well it had to feel that someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   watched the app series from the nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   nineties and then they watch Sophia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   Coppola Marie Antoinette said stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:51   drilling you struck oil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1911">TS</a>]

00:31:53   because they had this very baroque very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:55   elaborate look and it just didn't sit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:58   right for some reason it's that weirdly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1918">TS</a>]

00:32:00   on my eyes and I kept thinking this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:02   very plausible but that could just be my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1922">TS</a>]

00:32:04   own the book she wanted to make it seem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:06   that was one of the sci-fi kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:08   futuristic elements is this is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1928">TS</a>]

00:32:09   outlandish ridiculous completely like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:14   our eyes and yeah into the eyes of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:16   people in the districts because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1936">TS</a>]

00:32:18   who were who were seeing this world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:19   through their eyes to people in green [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1939">TS</a>]

00:32:21   skin it's outrageous right there their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1941">TS</a>]

00:32:23   script skin is different colors and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:24   you know it it's and the fashion is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:27   outrageous and they told it down i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:29   in pain because it would have seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1949">TS</a>]

00:32:30   kind of insane to movie audiences [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:33   because then you take your taking it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1953">TS</a>]

00:32:34   literally you're actually seeing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   whereas a as a sci-fi you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   bookreader i read that really wow that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:39   pretty wacky but I I kind of go with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1959">TS</a>]

00:32:41   so yeah sure okay blue skin or giant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:44   hair and what I don't see these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:45   in groups and you're reading in a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1965">TS</a>]

00:32:47   but when you see it and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   stanley tucci and I think that goes to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:51   the architecture and things like that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1971">TS</a>]

00:32:52   that they'd rather than make it kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   outlandish they make it this sort of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   know it's it's a a wealthy future it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:59   actually the only part of this thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01   that set in the future that actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:02   feels like it's in the future which i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:03   think is part of the point is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:04   everybody else is basically been thrown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   into the past and the future has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:08   hoarded by the cat the winners honestly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:10   I feel like they could have just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:11   everybody the real housewives of new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   jersey and got the same effect [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   yeah let's go and it would have been up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:16   because i was watching that when i flew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1996">TS</a>]

00:33:18   home last last Monday be flown virgin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:22   and I had it on one of the headrests and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2002">TS</a>]

00:33:24   I didn't have the headphone so she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:25   kind of when I was intended to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   toddler's catching bits and pieces of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29   out of the corner of my eye on mute so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:32   it was like this really weird kabuki [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34   pantomime they just and that seemed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36   weird and disconnected from reality and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:39   bizarrely futuristic because everyone's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:41   got this this incredibly manufactured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:43   machine-made look to them so really all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:45   you had to do was just look at the real [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:46   housewives of new jersey the that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:48   flashback to the Baroque things what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2028">TS</a>]

00:33:50   bugs me from an athletic perspective and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:52   I can't quite put my finger on why is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2032">TS</a>]

00:33:54   obviously it's a great metaphor with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2034">TS</a>]

00:33:56   Marie Antoinette the hoarding of riches [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:58   let them eat cake and all that but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2038">TS</a>]

00:33:59   some reason I'm for some reason if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:02   you've got a movie that calls back so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:04   clearly to other periods of great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:06   economic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:07   justice in the u.s. you know since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:08   district was obviously meant to evoke [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   the Dorothea Lange photographs of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   decimal my coworkers and since the games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:15   themselves are supposed to evoke that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17   the the the sooner rustic narrative of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:21   cowboy indian movies you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   then why do you not go with the roaring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:26   twenties or Gilded Age theme for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   capital why do you have to go to Marie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:29   Antoinette instead see I look at it more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2069">TS</a>]

00:34:32   as these are people who for the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:34   what 75 80 years since the capital has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:38   conquered the rest of the districts and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2078">TS</a>]

00:34:40   sort of kept everything peace [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:42   these are people who probably haven't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2082">TS</a>]

00:34:44   had to work a day in their lives and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2084">TS</a>]

00:34:47   basically spend every single moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   shopping and interior designing and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:53   know dressing up Julie I saw the bravo [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55   network is keeping us all down where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:56   we're going basically well it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2096">TS</a>]

00:34:58   hunger games and broadcast on bravo and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:02   I bet you in there will be the one who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:03   does that the interviews he sees her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   Flickerman oh my god yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   you think it's all gonna go together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   yeah yeah I feel like if if you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:11   eight years because people who can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2111">TS</a>]

00:35:13   create artwork or you know they can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2113">TS</a>]

00:35:16   exercise their passions it just all goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:19   into just fashion which goes I mean you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:22   see what's going on really personal yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:24   but it reads quickly to is being you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2124">TS</a>]

00:35:27   know a decadent society and and that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:30   a film that has to compress so much to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2130">TS</a>]

00:35:32   get book content into into its into its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:35   running time even though it does you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:36   know run for more than two hours it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:37   still got to compress a lot and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   one of the ways that they that they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   would compress it so this so Gary Ross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:44   the director big for him to make a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:47   without to be wire in it usually know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49   that it that's his is touching your dick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:51   know and is that is that has music yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:54   well pleasantville and Seabiscuit or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:57   both his most successful in Paradise and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   Mia's and Toto people yeah i know it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:02   a strange choice and it's making me do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2162">TS</a>]

00:36:05   things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   what did what do you think I mean we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:08   watch this movie after having read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:10   book and I'm just curious how you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2170">TS</a>]

00:36:13   that they in general it worked as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:16   movie because it what's been fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:19   is that the movie did so well and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2179">TS</a>]

00:36:22   people went obviously who saw the movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:23   who hadn't read the book and it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2183">TS</a>]

00:36:26   driven people to read the book because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2186">TS</a>]

00:36:27   see people reading the Hunger Games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:28   everywhere now which is warms my heart [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2188">TS</a>]

00:36:32   that people are reading books it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   and then a movie you know not only the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   book create this audience for a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:39   series which is awesome but also that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   the success of the movie has led people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   to read the book so the question is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:45   know what was your take on the movie is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:47   a movie i really liked the film as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2207">TS</a>]

00:36:50   whole I i went into it really not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:53   expecting to like it very much because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:55   while I like Jennifer Lawrence and why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   like a lot of people who are in the film [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:59   I'm like well it's pretty it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2219">TS</a>]

00:37:01   complicated as far as things go and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   you have to walk the line between you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:06   know killing kids on screen how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   gonna do that a lot of exactly how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:11   do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:11   yeah exactly Gary Ross's answer was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:14   really really good editor and a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   shaky cam which while the shaky shaky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:19   cam elements were used for effect they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:22   were used to show OES district 12 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:25   very somber and meager and we're going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2245">TS</a>]

00:37:27   to express that by moving the camera [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29   quickly and showing lots of down faces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:31   and then to avoid brutal murder of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2251">TS</a>]

00:37:35   children on screen they use the shaky [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2255">TS</a>]

00:37:38   cam 2 and cuts to basically make it all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2258">TS</a>]

00:37:40   happened very fast and so that resulted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2260">TS</a>]

00:37:43   in a little bit of nausea but that aside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:45   what did not allow them to keep their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2265">TS</a>]

00:37:47   pg-13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2267">TS</a>]

00:37:48   yeah okay just about what BS that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:51   because bear in mind this movie dropped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2271">TS</a>]

00:37:52   at the same time that bully did and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:55   mpaa gay bullying that rated R rating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:57   because of an F bomb dropped but this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2277">TS</a>]

00:37:58   movie which which is all about the Mary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2278">TS</a>]

00:38:00   murder of children for entertainment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   it's a pg-13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:03   yeah yep yeah no no that's that is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2283">TS</a>]

00:38:06   Hunger Games little crazy the role right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2286">TS</a>]

00:38:08   there so the thing about about it is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2288">TS</a>]

00:38:11   that they want this movie to be wide a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2291">TS</a>]

00:38:12   you-know-what with a wide audience in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:15   and it does appeal to younger audience [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:17   as well so they they did what they had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2297">TS</a>]

00:38:20   to do to make it a movie that was still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:23   about people killing other people kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:26   killing other kids while not making it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2306">TS</a>]

00:38:29   so bloody that it would get in our and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:31   it wasn't i actually thought that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2311">TS</a>]

00:38:33   be a real challenge I while I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2313">TS</a>]

00:38:35   reading the book and and you know a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:38   of a little shaky cam goes a long way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2318">TS</a>]

00:38:41   and into making surprisingly lose track [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:44   of the detail but still no because in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2324">TS</a>]

00:38:46   the old days they would be sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2326">TS</a>]

00:38:47   you'd show the reaction of the person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49   that yahoo and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:51   suffice to say he died but we don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2331">TS</a>]

00:38:53   how because blood spurt yeah so you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:55   enough of it but at the same time you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:57   could argue that the whole point of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:59   is that it should be brutal and that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   know if you want her down the violence [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:02   you really kind of missing the point of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:04   view of what this is about I think they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2344">TS</a>]

00:39:06   will they walked that nice line whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2346">TS</a>]

00:39:09   i don't think any of the deaths felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2349">TS</a>]

00:39:11   hollow to me when we're actually seeing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2351">TS</a>]

00:39:13   it on screen which is nice even the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:14   moment that Lisa brought up earlier when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:17   Katniss is basically writing on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:18   train and watching I what I'm guessing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:21   our rebroadcasts of old Hunger Games in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:24   order to strike up the tributes for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   blasting other games network [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:28   yes exactly look at what's fun a week to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   you but I mean 8 they show it pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:34   well I enter without necessarily showing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36   you the the gruesome details they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:39   managed to evoke the oh this kid gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:41   killed with a spear this kid gets blown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:45   up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:45   it's kind of funny actually the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:46   sequences so many ways to die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:49   you know a good trailer that there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:52   good promo for catching fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:55   aya I really you know I liked it I liked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:58   the movie i thought they did I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2398">TS</a>]

00:39:59   they did a pretty good job with a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2399">TS</a>]

00:40:01   that or with a source material that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:03   hard to figure out how they were going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2403">TS</a>]

00:40:07   to fit it all in and I think as we said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:10   earlier having perspective to earn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2410">TS</a>]

00:40:12   Katniss's helps it i think you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2412">TS</a>]

00:40:15   is not i think if not a first novel but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2415">TS</a>]

00:40:18   an early novel and it's got some some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2418">TS</a>]

00:40:21   issues that these you know screenwriters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:24   got to fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:26   I mean I did there are things in it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:27   are that are the story by slowing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:29   down getting it into a little more than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:32   two hours instead of the the length of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   the book which would guess film would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:37   have been you know whatever eight hours [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2437">TS</a>]

00:40:38   i made some good choices clarified a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2438">TS</a>]

00:40:41   of things they can show some things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   don't they don't need to go into detail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45   because you see if you're like oh yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:46   get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:46   they can move on with the rest of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2446">TS</a>]

00:40:48   premise and you know the casting just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2448">TS</a>]

00:40:51   Jennifer Lawrence herself and goes a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:54   long way and woody harrelson children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:57   worldwide Harrelson into I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   the the casting really help this movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:02   if they had not found the right Katniss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:05   this would have been a disaster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2465">TS</a>]

00:41:06   Elizabeth Banks was fantastic oh my yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:09   Elizabeth length is good in almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2469">TS</a>]

00:41:11   everything she is it is amazing isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:16   josh hutcherson does nothing for me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:19   he seems like kind of a human blanket [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:20   but that's ok it's funny that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:23   like it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:24   we have to take our hats off to stanley [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:27   tucci because man and he was amazing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:30   these I well the opening of introducing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:33   yes I'm Caesar Flickerman and this is my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   television show you know exactly who he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:38   is within the first 10 seconds of him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:40   sitting on stage and you just see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   flashes of marque behind him with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:45   smiling in like 20 different clip shows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:48   that that whole sort of clip show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   experience when he's interviewing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:52   candidates it feels like you're watching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2512">TS</a>]

00:41:54   all of the best episodes of David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:57   Letterman kind of strung up together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2517">TS</a>]

00:41:58   you get a sense very clearly is like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   he is the talk show personality in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:04   capital like this is the man and i would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   love to know who he watched when he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   prepping for this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:09   oh yeah and because it seems like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:12   obviously picking up on a bunch of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:13   different people who are out there right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:15   now there's a little Johnny Carson is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2535">TS</a>]

00:42:17   little Jack any yeah I thought it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:20   good adaptation because like you said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2540">TS</a>]

00:42:21   that Paris back a lot of the problematic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   stuff it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25   it told a good fast story you didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:27   need to know a whole lot of backstory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:29   and they didn't have too many in jokes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2549">TS</a>]

00:42:32   or anything that people who didn't read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:33   the book first would miss um that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:36   actually my complaint about collecting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:37   movies a lot of times they do a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2557">TS</a>]

00:42:38   fanservice expensive people who just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2558">TS</a>]

00:42:40   want to watch a film and this didn't he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:43   was it was a good i think that will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:45   probably people who watch all three or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   four hunger games movies and never read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:48   the books and that's ok we'll be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2568">TS</a>]

00:42:50   with it you know and they won't need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2570">TS</a>]

00:42:51   read the books to have gotten the full [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:53   impact of the story it tells a much more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:55   complete story than any of the harry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:57   potter book movies for instance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2577">TS</a>]

00:42:59   no which by and large just feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2579">TS</a>]

00:43:02   this scene and then this scene and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   this scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:05   whereas the hunger games movie was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:07   written well enough that you're like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:08   no I'm actually following a plot here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:11   and I don't feel like if i missed a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:13   scene somewhere right going number one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2593">TS</a>]

00:43:17   thing I did want to bring up from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   film is there's there's a scene between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:22   President Snow and Seneca Crane the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2602">TS</a>]

00:43:25   gamemaster which we do not get in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:28   books where he's basically you know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:30   basically lecturing Seneca Crane about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2610">TS</a>]

00:43:32   being too nice to Katniss but he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:35   this wonderful line where it's like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2615">TS</a>]

00:43:38   do you know why we do this why don't we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:40   just you know roundup 24 people shoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:42   them and the whole concept of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2622">TS</a>]

00:43:44   we're doing this to give them hope and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:47   the the idea of giving these nations who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:50   have basically betrayed us the idea that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:53   were being lenient in any sort of way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   dampens the idea of this sacrifice I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:58   mean that's a really powerful image that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   it takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:01   Katniss in mint in like her inner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2641">TS</a>]

00:44:05   dialogue in the book something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:07   seven or eight chapters for us to really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:09   grasp but on-screen they managed to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:11   it in five minutes with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:13   conversation and I really really love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2653">TS</a>]

00:44:15   that so I think we're going to move on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:18   to the other two books about you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:22   been made in movies and so we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24   consider this your spoiler warning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:28   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   so if you haven't read second or third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:35   books please turn away or be spoiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:39   forever so let's talk about catching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:43   fire which is the second book in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2683">TS</a>]

00:44:44   trilogy or as i like to call it a that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:49   book was so fun i'm gonna write it again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:53   yeah yeah yeah it's actually got there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2693">TS</a>]

00:44:59   are a lot of things in catching fire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2699">TS</a>]

00:45:01   that are better than the hunger games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2701">TS</a>]

00:45:02   but my disappointment is she decided to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2702">TS</a>]

00:45:06   tell the same story again so it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:07   we're getting the band back together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:08   we're gonna we're gonna put we're gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2708">TS</a>]

00:45:10   put it you know you're back in and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:13   gonna be an all-star matchup of for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   75th anniversary of all the tributes who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:18   survived and and all your own they also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:20   never works on reality TV and those to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2720">TS</a>]

00:45:22   be criticism now called a TV as well but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:24   that's what I don't know what it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2724">TS</a>]

00:45:26   that's what we're about how all-star [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:28   survivor was a real disappointment and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2728">TS</a>]

00:45:30   that's what destroyed so I i see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2730">TS</a>]

00:45:32   more or less as not a cop out by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:35   writer but actually as a permanent thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2735">TS</a>]

00:45:37   where she's she's basically showing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   capital being like oh well crap our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:43   citizens are becoming restless and we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:44   don't know how to control them and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:46   only way we've been able to control them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:48   before is the hunger games so let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2748">TS</a>]

00:45:51   throw the people who are making trouble [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2751">TS</a>]

00:45:53   right back into the hunger games i won't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2753">TS</a>]

00:45:55   be manufactured the history where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2755">TS</a>]

00:45:56   brings up as envelope notes with a look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:59   at this year's challenge return oh yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   sure it's been the sealed for this year [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:04   years and only now revealed like so huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:09   it's so strong structurally uh what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2769">TS</a>]

00:46:13   would like to see this goes back to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:14   praise of the movie for showing us a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2774">TS</a>]

00:46:16   different perspective I felt like she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:20   had again were criticizing somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   made a gigantic boatload of money with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   these and and you know she may be made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:27   great commercial decision to just replay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:29   the first book again and she did get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2789">TS</a>]

00:46:31   chance to improve like this some of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:33   action that happens in the arena is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35   better i think she you know took a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:37   second crack at it and did some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:39   right but I kept feeling like I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:42   almost rather have seen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2802">TS</a>]

00:46:43   the Katniss as a mentor and seen the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:47   political imagination is happening and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2807">TS</a>]

00:46:49   sea the games as they're viewed from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:52   outside by the mentors as this stuff is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:56   happening and maybe as they're plotting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:58   to get people out of the capital and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:01   good even rescue people from in the game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2821">TS</a>]

00:47:04   I i would have almost rather Katniss not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2824">TS</a>]

00:47:07   had been in there and seen it from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   perspective of the person on the outside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:11   we meet a new contestant and it's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:13   upsetting but they're gonna die and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:15   Katniss has to watch it at my end they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:18   missed you know she missed an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   opportunity to sort of like explore a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:21   different part of the world and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2841">TS</a>]

00:47:23   frustrated me with this as well done [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2843">TS</a>]

00:47:25   some of it is that it's just a retread & [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:28   it's like you know she had parts of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   world that she could have explored more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:32   and chose to do the replay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:34   so here's my theory actually is if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:37   take a look at the arc of Katniss's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   development over the course of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:41   trilogy um by the but the the third book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:45   is basically about how people who are on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:47   the cusp of adulthood have to learn how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:48   to negotiate the adult world where they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:51   don't understand a lot of the rules and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2871">TS</a>]

00:47:52   are not sure who was friend who's though [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   it's your basic ok i'm in college doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:57   out my roommate type scenario except you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59   know revolutions and the way I see it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:02   the second book is kind of the bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04   between the profoundly adolescent junior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:07   high / high school mentality of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   hunger games where you work where the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:12   readers meant to relate to Katniss as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:14   you would relate to a 9th grader or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:16   anybody else who's in the situation that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2896">TS</a>]

00:48:17   feels hostile and they don't make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:20   rules and their job is just to survive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:22   it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:22   this book is meant to say okay we've had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2902">TS</a>]

00:48:26   a point adolescence where we realize [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2906">TS</a>]

00:48:28   that the rules are rigged and where we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2908">TS</a>]

00:48:31   realize that adults don't have all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:33   answers and sometimes they're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:36   look to us for the answers and we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:37   to step up because that's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2917">TS</a>]

00:48:38   our job more as we get older and so by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   the third book she'sshe's neck-deep in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   in the messy adult world and there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44   more adolescent hunger games at all so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:46   so I think this book provides a valuable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:48   transition role I i think it has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2928">TS</a>]

00:48:51   worst ending out of the three books like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:52   like the last few chapters are just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   what what what oh it's a cliffhanger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:57   RNA maybe it's just it's an empire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2937">TS</a>]

00:48:58   strikes back ask trying to capture that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:01   and so it's just so miserably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:04   yeah it's just I i think it's got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   really weak ending but i think that in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:08   terms of how Katniss involves a care or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   s involvement how she grows into who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   she's going to be on i think that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:15   book provides a pretty valuable bridge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:17   between simplistic or childlike [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2957">TS</a>]

00:49:20   understanding of who she was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:21   first book versus the more nuanced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:25   reconstruction of her personality that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2965">TS</a>]

00:49:27   she has 22 it to undergo by the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:29   the third book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2969">TS</a>]

00:49:32   so you know it's it's I don't miss I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:35   don't necessarily see it as a retrail I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37   see this kind of okay the first book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:39   is junior high or ninth grade maybe the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2979">TS</a>]

00:49:41   second book is your senior year of high [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:42   school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:43   this launches you the third book which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2983">TS</a>]

00:49:44   is college and what is everything is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:48   different cities and in sinaa who we've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2988">TS</a>]

00:49:51   seen all along and we haven't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   talked about who was cast in the movie I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:56   didn't let your wife know you know what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   I thought he was fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   however I thought his creations were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:02   miscast in the movie oh yeah because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3002">TS</a>]

00:50:04   get you get the picture of them being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   these flamboyant amazed but am I crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:09   and that i remembered her when her when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:11   she spins around like showing off her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13   dress the original dress burns off yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:16   they took it out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:18   yeah yeah yeah but it was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:20   interesting character in and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:23   Lenny Kravitz to play with the movie was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3023">TS</a>]

00:50:25   not he was charismatic although not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3025">TS</a>]

00:50:29   really what I expected but you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3029">TS</a>]

00:50:32   read that the the outfits I was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:35   disappointed that they didn't do her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3035">TS</a>]

00:50:36   trick where the outfit burns off to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:38   reveal the other outfit that way yeah my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3038">TS</a>]

00:50:40   favorite things and I was I can picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3040">TS</a>]

00:50:41   that in my mind's eye they're like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:43   it's too hard we're not going to do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:44   and they even around unless you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   picturing even the outfits of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:47   charity with the chariot were like yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3047">TS</a>]

00:50:49   yeah yeah no it was not i guess it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:53   easier to say they were very impressive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:56   and people were people who love them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:57   they were like nothing ever seen before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:59   and then you're the costumes of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:00   life what the hell am I gonna do cuz i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3060">TS</a>]

00:51:02   can't do that so I don't have this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3062">TS</a>]

00:51:04   technology available to me now which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:07   what it is so that I think micro I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:10   Michael early would have been a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:11   nice setup [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:12   I think he's got I think I I think he I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   think he would have provided a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   compelling look and he's got a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:17   stillness of character that works well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   for Senna and I don't have tended to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:21   so intriguing but because how do you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3081">TS</a>]

00:51:23   work in basically a bravo TV style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:27   industry like remaking tributes and live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3087">TS</a>]

00:51:30   in the capital and still be somebody who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:32   decides that your core this is wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   this is wrong i'm going to help foment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:36   rebellion with what I do you know we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   never that that's one of my criticisms [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:41   of the book is we never get an idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:43   what draws people to the rebellion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:45   or how they managed to join it um I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3105">TS</a>]

00:51:48   the district's it's kind of obvious but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   in the capital that there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:51   people in the capital horn rebellion how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3111">TS</a>]

00:51:53   did they get there what made them decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   it was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:56   do you believe the catalyst was confused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3116">TS</a>]

00:51:57   and clueless at the end as that was one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3117">TS</a>]

00:52:02   of those moments of like really does she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3122">TS</a>]

00:52:03   not understand what's happening here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3123">TS</a>]

00:52:04   that they're like oh I just fired my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:07   arrows and I don't know what I'm you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   know at the end I thought I thought she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:10   came across as being a little a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   clueless that was surprising for me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   think it's um it's all very hectic right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:17   at the second book is all about being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   you know everything's going crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:23   she's caught off-guard 23 button i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   one of the reasons the second book it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:27   shook me the first time I read it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   because she's persistently off her game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:30   both she and gallant young gets whipped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:32   in a public square and this is something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:34   you've got the sense of the first book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3154">TS</a>]

00:52:36   that they had basically figured out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3156">TS</a>]

00:52:37   district 12 and they had it gained they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3157">TS</a>]

00:52:39   had figured out ways to get out of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:40   for hunting they had participation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:42   thriving black market [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3162">TS</a>]

00:52:44   nobody mess with them they're just two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:45   kids who like to hunt and in the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   book Katniss is besieged on all sides [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:50   her uncle cousin is greatness it and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:56   doesn't have to trust that these games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:57   are even more confusing because she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3177">TS</a>]

00:52:59   going up against older more seasoned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:00   opponents well they're no longer novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   and they can't get away with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:04   tricks that got them where they were the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3184">TS</a>]

00:53:05   first time and then that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:08   interesting right that they can't you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:10   know all the old tricks aren't going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3190">TS</a>]

00:53:12   work anymore where they worked once but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:13   this is now we know who you are we we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:15   know going in what your skills are ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:18   yeah and then Peter pulls oh and by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:20   way she's pregnant lie and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3200">TS</a>]

00:53:24   yeah just what a hand I was like they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3204">TS</a>]

00:53:27   were that was the worst like reality TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   kind of stuff and how ya doing those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:32   places even try that but but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:36   there are there are interesting things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3216">TS</a>]

00:53:38   in here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:38   the strategy the stuff that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3218">TS</a>]

00:53:42   there are there are killer monkeys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:44   oh yes i love that there are killer my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3224">TS</a>]

00:53:47   love the glue and now we can talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49   now I can talk about the tiny narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   conceited book to wear when they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:52   watching him pitches games and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:54   hanging out with the other girl from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3234">TS</a>]

00:53:56   district 12 amazingly Donner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:59   and the two of them help each other out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:00   and then after all it is a curse than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02   the arrow this is not going to go well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:05   if it right on just the two of us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:06   something like well see ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3246">TS</a>]

00:54:08   and she gets killed moments later by our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3248">TS</a>]

00:54:11   legal hummingbird and I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13   that's kind of convenient for him it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:14   because he doesn't have to be the one to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16   kill her he doesn't have to make the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:17   hard choice again you know that that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3257">TS</a>]

00:54:20   the that is the funny part about being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:22   in the in the games is that you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3262">TS</a>]

00:54:24   you love your allies but you you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:27   want them to die so you don't have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:28   kill them all right so my marking Chang [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:31   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3271">TS</a>]

00:54:33   mockingjay I felt laying about halfway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:36   through takes a turn spent so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:41   spectacularly blutbad that is completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43   threatens to not only swamp the my view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:48   of the novel is the whole but the series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:50   and it doesn't because you know we can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:51   really retro actively go back and make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:53   the other two books stink they are what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   they are and i did enjoy reading them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57   but I thought Mockingjay was a complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3297">TS</a>]

00:55:00   disaster because she essentially can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:02   put put them back in the hunger games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:03   again so she puts them in an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   amalgamation of sort of the hunger games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   on the streets of the capital in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   kind of bizarre guerrilla warfare on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:13   streets of the capital kind of thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3313">TS</a>]

00:55:15   it you know and she resolves the love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:18   triangle / st. yeah because i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:22   wondering about that the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:25   deprogramming of pita which is crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:28   real or not real I'm now here's what i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3328">TS</a>]

00:55:32   like about that though is is Katniss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3332">TS</a>]

00:55:34   ends the book as a profoundly damaged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3334">TS</a>]

00:55:36   person is going to have PT we add the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:38   rest of her life and I think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3338">TS</a>]

00:55:41   important for Suzanne Collins to to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43   point out that you know when you've gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   through the kind of experiences that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   someone like Katniss has gone through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:49   there is no bouncing back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:51   I mean she was already a pretty damaged [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:53   person going into the first Hunger Games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:54   and by the time that she survived two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:57   games and a civil war on and seen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3357">TS</a>]

00:56:01   heard several people gruesome deaths and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:02   then lost her sister to President coins [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:06   machinations you don't get to be happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:09   well I mean yeah i could appreciate that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3369">TS</a>]

00:56:12   we should be one of I think I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3372">TS</a>]

00:56:14   appreciate that that's where she wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:15   to leave it but boy that that that last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:20   section feel so i also hate the hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:23   waving well I do hate the hand waving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3383">TS</a>]

00:56:24   they did where they're like oh I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   troll happened [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:27   well yeah i think the treatment of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   sister first off was like oh and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31   turns out her sister was there and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:32   yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:33   yeah it's just you know it's so poorly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:36   handled and I think I you have so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:39   invested in the story I i like it a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3399">TS</a>]

00:56:42   little bit too how in alien 3 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3402">TS</a>]

00:56:47   mhm uh so we have alien great movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:50   aliens and then David Fincher's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   really his best work alien 3 the opening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:55   of alien 3 is hey Ripley you're alive oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   nude she died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:58   she's going it's like wait a second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3418">TS</a>]

00:57:00   that's just like you've just given a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3420">TS</a>]

00:57:02   fu to the second movie and I like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3422">TS</a>]

00:57:06   second movie that's why i'm watching the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:07   third movie and I feel like that with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   killing the sister it's like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   the sister her her sacrificing her life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:13   and her or whether it's her literally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3433">TS</a>]

00:57:17   her life for its that she's going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:18   messed up for the rest of her life for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:20   her sister is a nice part of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3440">TS</a>]

00:57:22   and any and here it's like well yeah but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:24   i'm going to very quickly move pieces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:25   around so that the sister dies so that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:28   things are really messed up it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:29   you know well she's not allowed to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3449">TS</a>]

00:57:31   a happy ending she's not allowed to have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3451">TS</a>]

00:57:33   any kind of hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:34   yeah even if the happy ending is is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:37   that somebody else has a has a lives on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3457">TS</a>]

00:57:39   and Katniss doesn't or her you know her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:43   life is kinda wrecked it felt like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   could have seen her sister be killed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:48   some sort of way that made sense but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3468">TS</a>]

00:57:52   that's not that this isn't that it this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   was it felt like a real mess to me that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:57   she she needed to make these things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:59   happen and so she made that happen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:01   they happen in this crucible of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:02   kind of like bizarre civil war on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:05   streets of the capital thing like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3485">TS</a>]

00:58:06   we're rolling through all the districts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:08   that's not gonna be a problem of there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3488">TS</a>]

00:58:09   a little problem district to you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:11   have to go there you know be on TV but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:15   but you know the plot my cancer kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3495">TS</a>]

00:58:17   kind of visible and obvious because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:19   whole point of district 2 is where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:20   Katniss realizes that the gal she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3500">TS</a>]

00:58:22   thought she knew was not really the girl [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:23   who came out more time and and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   coming home and then when you but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:28   agree they that business in the capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3508">TS</a>]

00:58:30   is just ridiculous especially to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   the rotation but smell like roses and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:34   are programmed to respond the Katniss's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3514">TS</a>]

00:58:35   need and this are so its orders we had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:39   ended the end in the end after she wakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3519">TS</a>]

00:58:40   up and there's the whole you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:42   appreciate the idea that the the rebels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3522">TS</a>]

00:58:45   are all are not any better I think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3525">TS</a>]

00:58:47   a very very well this is critical and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:50   and and awful thing to think it also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:53   protect you know that's her point is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3533">TS</a>]

00:58:55   the people who want to take over always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57   going to want to be there always going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:58   to be the same people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3538">TS</a>]

00:59:00   yeah I think President Snow made a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:01   point about that was like president coin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3541">TS</a>]

00:59:03   did it right she loved the district's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3543">TS</a>]

00:59:04   care themselves apartment you just waltz [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3544">TS</a>]

00:59:05   on in and if you decide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   yeah and so I don't mind that Katniss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:10   does her little trick and although it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3550">TS</a>]

00:59:11   still seems bizarre like you okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:14   she shoots the other one and now you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:16   know it but it just eventually goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:19   bonkers and they have a trial off-screen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:20   others an epilogue him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   yep what did you guys think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:24   whole what did you guys think about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3564">TS</a>]

00:59:25   catalyst of the story being the decision [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:27   to throw a hunger games using capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:29   children it's a little frustrating when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:34   you've come so far and then only to see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:37   ya this district 13 is basically a whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:40   new cap right if they're the same that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3580">TS</a>]

00:59:43   they're the same bastards wearing new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3583">TS</a>]

00:59:45   faces but that that I mean that's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:47   message right and again we're back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:48   the front from the the anti kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:50   totalitarian and-and-and-and-and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:53   government's out-of-control kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3593">TS</a>]

00:59:56   thing I I totally see that but the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3596">TS</a>]

00:59:59   that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   done is the problem I think is that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:03   that it's it loses i I've I my concern [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3603">TS</a>]

01:00:07   is that Susan Collins really only has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:08   one story to tell here and shoveled it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3608">TS</a>]

01:00:10   twice already and so the third time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   she's kind of run out and so she's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   of pulling some strings to get things to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:16   to get where that she wants them to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:18   and it just you know I was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:20   unhappy with the whole thing I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3620">TS</a>]

01:00:23   thought it was not not because it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:24   have a wonderful happy ending because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3624">TS</a>]

01:00:27   that so I'm okay with the dark endings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:29   but that it just seemed kind of out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3629">TS</a>]

01:00:30   the blue and badly executed and I yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:34   just like she had she was obligated to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:37   turn in the third book so this is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:38   we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:39   so ran it in any other thoughts that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:41   have about a mockingjay now that I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:44   know I've yelled about it for 20 of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:48   know see I've only read mockingjay want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:51   the once on the tail end of my you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:54   three-day Hunger Games extravaganza and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:58   there's still people we read books will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   tell him I crazy people but a I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:05   know it it's blurry to me but I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3665">TS</a>]

01:01:07   that's also the way the book was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   for it just it it and catching fire to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:12   certain extent are both very hectic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:14   books and when you're traveling through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3674">TS</a>]

01:01:17   Katniss's eyes especially the thing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3677">TS</a>]

01:01:19   I really like about book 3 is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3679">TS</a>]

01:01:22   reluctant Katniss's to be a symbol of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:24   anything it's like we were talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26   earlier in the in the podcast about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:29   Katniss isn't focused on love stories or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:32   you know overarching plots she's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3692">TS</a>]

01:01:34   focused on the next thing at hand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:36   she's focused on saving her sister she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3696">TS</a>]

01:01:38   focused on getting through the night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:40   she's focused on avoiding being killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:43   you know or finding food or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:46   oh god I have to talk to people on live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:49   television there's never there's never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:52   any big picture to her and people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3712">TS</a>]

01:01:54   wanting her to be a symbol of this war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:57   effort and this cause she I feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:00   she seems to shy away from from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:03   start you know where she's just doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3723">TS</a>]

01:02:05   these things and she doesn't really she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:08   doesn't really have a sense for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3728">TS</a>]

01:02:10   overarching actions like she's doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   stuff too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:13   save herself and to save pita and to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   save her sister say the people that she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:17   cares about but she I don't think she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:20   ever really goes into it intentionally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:21   thinking oh this will be a good symbol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3741">TS</a>]

01:02:23   to the people and browse them up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3743">TS</a>]

01:02:25   rebellion and so when district 13 is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:29   like yep you're going to be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:30   Mockingjay you're going to be our great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:32   wonderful symbol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:33   she's very unenthused about it and even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:37   when they you know she gives them all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:39   these demands that they agree to she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3759">TS</a>]

01:02:41   still very uncomfortable and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43   uncomfortable throughout the entire book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45   III like that I i think that's one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:48   the good things about her progression as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3768">TS</a>]

01:02:50   a character is colleagues about how does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:52   somebody become a revolutionary icon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:54   how does somebody become a symbol of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:57   revolution somebody that people rally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:59   behind and you can you can plan to be at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   all you like it will never be it or you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:04   can be in the right place wrong place i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3784">TS</a>]

01:03:06   guess that there at the right time or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3786">TS</a>]

01:03:07   wrong time and and you just become that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:10   and and that's Katniss's story and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:12   doesn't she has to realize the power [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:15   that she's accumulating just by her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:18   actions and she first finds out because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3798">TS</a>]

01:03:20   the people in power are quite upset and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:23   threatened by her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3803">TS</a>]

01:03:24   how could that be she's just this poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:27   girl from the country who you know was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   fortunate enough to win this thing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:31   over time you know she realizes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:34   she's got some some some power and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:37   that third book the seams in district 13 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:39   you know they make that clear that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:41   know you are at you are a symbol and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:43   has to try to come to terms with that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45   thought that was all really interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:46   just just from the sense of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:48   revolutions having symbols and what if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:50   you're that person and you may not have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52   done it for any of those reasons but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:55   know you know what being that symbol and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:58   the choices well do you represent it or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3838">TS</a>]

01:04:00   do you run away from it and she has kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3840">TS</a>]

01:04:02   of a she has a little bit of both in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3842">TS</a>]

01:04:04   this book was really nice and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:06   also the contrast between she who really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3846">TS</a>]

01:04:09   has no desire to be a national symbol [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:12   and Gayle who really i mean gales the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:15   person who really should be the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17   Mockingjay and should be the symbol of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:19   revolutionary warfare and he ends up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:21   more or less being so I towards the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:25   of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:27   thanks to like bomb raids and certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:29   things but it's interesting to contrast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3869">TS</a>]

01:04:33   the two of them i mean even their arcs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   from the start of the books where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:37   they're hunting partners but from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:39   beginning we've had very different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:40   philosophies and as the books progress [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3880">TS</a>]

01:04:43   and very much so in Mockingjay sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:45   see those come to a head for Gayle who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:47   is always kind of been a revolutionary [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:50   really gets his chance to step into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:52   spotlight and Katniss takes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:54   revolutionary banner set somewhat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3894">TS</a>]

01:04:56   unwillingly and really comes out the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:59   worst for it you know right yeah I on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:04   mockingjay I have problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3904">TS</a>]

01:05:06   mockingjay well and maybe if somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:09   read these books when they were when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3909">TS</a>]

01:05:11   they were released and had a long wait [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3911">TS</a>]

01:05:13   between them they would view it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:15   differently than then somebody like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:18   and I guess like you who who tore [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3918">TS</a>]

01:05:20   through the read them all in order yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:22   basically but when you run when you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3922">TS</a>]

01:05:24   them in order you can see the decline i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   think in quality very starkly as you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:30   home with the second one is better in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3930">TS</a>]

01:05:33   some certain ways but disappointing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:36   it doesn't really try to be more and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:38   then the third one feels like she's kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3938">TS</a>]

01:05:41   of like got her part in the weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:43   district 13 which is kind of interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:45   and sterile and those people are kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47   messed up in their own way because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:49   they've been in isolation so long and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3949">TS</a>]

01:05:51   then they go to there's the military [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:53   stuff in the the march on the capital [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3953">TS</a>]

01:05:54   and it just kind of koreans out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:57   control in my mind that she's just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3957">TS</a>]

01:05:58   slapping things in there and open that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:00   it all makes sense which it doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:02   yeah the difference between the hunger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3962">TS</a>]

01:06:05   games the first book and the latter two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:07   is that the first book is a standalone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3967">TS</a>]

01:06:09   story and a very powerful standalone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3969">TS</a>]

01:06:11   story we get introduced to characters we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:14   get the tension we get the conflict we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:16   get the resolution more or less but both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:19   catching fire and mockingjay are clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3979">TS</a>]

01:06:21   books in an installment they make no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3981">TS</a>]

01:06:25   pretenses of oh we're going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:27   reintroduce you to people or you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:29   that you know and the reason why Empire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:32   is such a good film is that it stands on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:34   its own [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:35   even though it is the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3995">TS</a>]

01:06:37   in a trilogy whereas catching fire i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:40   would never read catching fire unless it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4000">TS</a>]

01:06:42   was part of a reread of the entire [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:44   trilogy because it just doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:45   sense and that's I think a large part of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4005">TS</a>]

01:06:47   the of the writing decline as it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:51   I don't have a link here but there was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4011">TS</a>]

01:06:52   great blog post where somebody said hey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:56   so the Hunger Games has been a success [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4016">TS</a>]

01:06:59   that's great uh there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4019">TS</a>]

01:07:02   what are they gonna do about the third [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:03   book me that was that was literally the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4023">TS</a>]

01:07:05   blog post was alright and i can see how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4025">TS</a>]

01:07:08   they're going to make the second movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4028">TS</a>]

01:07:09   based on the second book and we can see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:11   how that will work and then you get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:13   the third book it's like it was nice to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:15   read it because I having read and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   thought it might be only one who thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:18   this blogger was saying their books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:20   complete mess [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:21   how do they deal with it and a mic my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:25   question is going to be how much input [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4045">TS</a>]

01:07:27   suzanne collins in an approval she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:30   she co-wrote the screenplay for this CNT [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4050">TS</a>]

01:07:33   i think so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4053">TS</a>]

01:07:34   so that doesn't fill me with hope but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:36   you know who knows maybe in simplifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:40   it into a movie like story it will make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:43   you know it will be less messy because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:45   just as they did with the first 1i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47   they made improvements as they went so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:49   maybe maybe so but it's interesting to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:51   think about it big wow thats they got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4071">TS</a>]

01:07:53   some work you know cut out for them when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:55   they get to the third book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:57   oh yeah it can't be as messy as matrix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:59   revolutions we'll just yeah okay you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4079">TS</a>]

01:08:04   always got hired at a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4084">TS</a>]

01:08:05   you always got that third at third movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:08   that it will never be as big a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4088">TS</a>]

01:08:11   as The Matrix Revolutions at least we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:13   can help [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:14   alright so we have now beaten a hunger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4094">TS</a>]

01:08:17   games books to death in film as well we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4097">TS</a>]

01:08:20   like the first you know we like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:22   first move movie and book and the second [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:25   one has a lot of potential for a movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4105">TS</a>]

01:08:26   and then the third book will everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:28   will be interesting i hope they get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4108">TS</a>]

01:08:30   good director and a good screenwriter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4110">TS</a>]

01:08:31   interesting problem for them to solve [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:33   and they'll have lots of money to use to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4113">TS</a>]

01:08:35   strive solving yes though I pray they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:37   won't try and fit into such a tight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4117">TS</a>]

01:08:40   release date they're trying to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4120">TS</a>]

01:08:41   catching fire out for next november i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:44   believe so November 2013 which is crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4124">TS</a>]

01:08:47   and they're trying to fit in shooting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4127">TS</a>]

01:08:49   before Jennifer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4129">TS</a>]

01:08:50   Lawrence runs off for x-men in the fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4130">TS</a>]

01:08:54   this fall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:54   what a boost so yeah let's let's hope [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:57   they manage to do this and not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4137">TS</a>]

01:08:58   compromise on story but financially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4138">TS</a>]

01:09:00   motivated that's for sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:02   so that's true we'll see alright well i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4142">TS</a>]

01:09:04   would like to thank my guests for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4144">TS</a>]

01:09:07   joining me today red thank you so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:09   thank you Jason and maybe odds be ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:11   in your favor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:12   thank you Lisa thank you for being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4152">TS</a>]

01:09:15   thanks Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4155">TS</a>]

01:09:16   alright what they talkin to sort of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:17   season two so until our next edition of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:20   the comfortable thanks for joining us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4160">TS</a>]

01:09:22   I'm Jason still see you next time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4162">TS</a>]

01:09:34   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4174">TS</a>]

01:09:40   actually speaking of running out my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:42   daughter is kind of having a nutty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4182">TS</a>]

01:09:43   downstairs so I'm gonna have to go play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:46   mom now that I had so much fun talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4186">TS</a>]

01:09:47   about this with you guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4187">TS</a>]

01:09:48   Lisa thank you for being here alright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4188">TS</a>]

01:09:50   enjoy bye [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4190">TS</a>]

01:09:52   alright so I guess I'm the only survivor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4192">TS</a>]

01:09:55   i win the Hunger Games uh yeah something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4195">TS</a>]

01:10:00   like that except you're still here right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4200">TS</a>]

01:10:02   we do we make a deal are we from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:04   same district we get to do we you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4204">TS</a>]

01:10:06   you hear some poison berries you can ok [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4206">TS</a>]

01:10:09   you know well we'll end this podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4209">TS</a>]

01:10:11   together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMZ4tuyo/4211">TS</a>]