The Incomparable

90: A Suspiciously Efficient Morgue


00:00:00   the incomparable podcast number 90 may [TS]

00:00:14   welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:17   this is jason l your host and in this [TS]

00:00:20   episode we're going to be talking about [TS]

00:00:21   television show that has come to us we [TS]

00:00:25   American evens from across the pond from [TS]

00:00:28   the UK it is Sherlock the second season [TS]

00:00:30   of the modern-day retelling of Arthur [TS]

00:00:33   Conan Doyle's famous detective executive [TS]

00:00:36   produced by Steven Moffat who also runs [TS]

00:00:39   a show called doctor who that you may [TS]

00:00:41   have heard of as well as Mark Gatiss who [TS]

00:00:43   has written some doctor who episodes as [TS]

00:00:45   well and did League of Gentlemen not [TS]

00:00:48   League of Extraordinary Gentlemen just [TS]

00:00:49   regular gentlemen hilarious sort of [TS]

00:00:51   bizarre comedy show from the UK anyway [TS]

00:00:55   gave us and Moffat are back with three [TS]

00:00:57   more movie length from 90 minute long [TS]

00:01:00   episodes of Sherlock starring benedict [TS]

00:01:03   cumberbatch sherlock holmes and Martin [TS]

00:01:06   Freeman who you may know from the office [TS]

00:01:08   and you'll soon know from The Hobbit as [TS]

00:01:11   dr. Watson so I joining me today to talk [TS]

00:01:16   about the second season of Sherlock [TS]

00:01:18   which aired in the UK in january i [TS]

00:01:21   believe and is airing in the u.s. in the [TS]

00:01:24   month of may in fact by the time you [TS]

00:01:26   hear this I believe the second episode [TS]

00:01:28   we'll be hearing about the same time we [TS]

00:01:30   post this episode so join me today are [TS]

00:01:33   Dan Morgan hi Dan [TS]

00:01:35   Jason thanks for being here my pleasure [TS]

00:01:38   and it's elementary that John syracuse [TS]

00:01:41   it would be here as well hi jon is this [TS]

00:01:44   the alternate universe version of this [TS]

00:01:46   podcast where the shows are just now [TS]

00:01:47   airing we just saw them I can't keep [TS]

00:01:49   track of which universe wherein it's [TS]

00:01:50   plausible denial isn't it great that the [TS]

00:01:52   people at the BBC think so highly of the [TS]

00:01:54   incomparable podcast that they sent us [TS]

00:01:56   screeners generator here to the US much [TS]

00:01:59   appreciated it's very nice of them and [TS]

00:02:02   also with me today is greg NOS hi Greg [TS]

00:02:05   hi Jason good to have you here thank you [TS]

00:02:07   so we'll talk about Star Wars now no [TS]

00:02:09   wait what oh no [TS]

00:02:13   oh don't cross the streams uh so uh [TS]

00:02:16   let's say well I guess we could start [TS]

00:02:18   with the first episode of sherlock [TS]

00:02:21   season two and will fire off the spoiler [TS]

00:02:22   horn as we go through the episode so if [TS]

00:02:25   you haven't gotten through the whole [TS]

00:02:26   season yet will try to hold off on the [TS]

00:02:28   season wide spoilers until we get there [TS]

00:02:30   so the first episode is a scandal in [TS]

00:02:31   belgravia which was written by steven [TS]

00:02:33   moffat and it is loosely based on a [TS]

00:02:36   scandal in Bohemia which was the arthur [TS]

00:02:39   conan doyle story then introduced the [TS]

00:02:41   American Irene Adler and belgravia i [TS]

00:02:46   looked it up is the region of London [TS]

00:02:49   where buckingham palace is located so [TS]

00:02:51   very clever little turn of events and [TS]

00:02:53   this also picks up from the cliffhanger [TS]

00:02:55   from the first season of Sherlock where [TS]

00:02:57   Moriarty has Sherlock and Watson dead to [TS]

00:03:00   rights by a swimming pool which I don't [TS]

00:03:03   even remember how they got to the [TS]

00:03:04   swimming pool so so what did you guys [TS]

00:03:09   think of this episode III thought this [TS]

00:03:10   was one of the one of the better ones if [TS]

00:03:12   not the best of the three of the series [TS]

00:03:13   I i think it was one of the best of the [TS]

00:03:16   three and it's because in large part we [TS]

00:03:18   see homes going up against something [TS]

00:03:20   that he never really has before which is [TS]

00:03:22   to say a female i could not quite [TS]

00:03:25   antagonist but competitor in some ways [TS]

00:03:28   and we see him for the first time sort [TS]

00:03:31   of not only finding his wits match to a [TS]

00:03:33   certain extent but also seeing him [TS]

00:03:35   somewhat discomforted by this idea of [TS]

00:03:37   you know dealing with a woman with of [TS]

00:03:41   such you know brain power so that [TS]

00:03:45   provides us with a number of interesting [TS]

00:03:46   scenes in which we get to watch him sort [TS]

00:03:49   of puzzle this through and also his [TS]

00:03:51   interesting relationship with her where [TS]

00:03:52   it seems like he can't quite come to [TS]

00:03:54   terms with how he feels reason willing [TS]

00:03:56   doesn't know we're just it is totally it [TS]

00:03:59   totally foreign concept to him so we get [TS]

00:04:01   to see him a little bit more out of [TS]

00:04:02   water but you do have that question and [TS]

00:04:05   it's dealt with in the first season as [TS]

00:04:07   well of Sherlock Holmes as it you know [TS]

00:04:10   does he does he have a a romantic [TS]

00:04:13   thought in his body is it you know is a [TS]

00:04:16   purely an intellectual who who has no [TS]

00:04:20   other thoughts about it or not and you [TS]

00:04:22   know Irene Adler is a challenge for him [TS]

00:04:24   on all those levels [TS]

00:04:25   I think actually one of the reasons that [TS]

00:04:28   he finds her so intriguing is that like [TS]

00:04:30   Moriarty she's not an average person he [TS]

00:04:32   sees the entire world sort of [TS]

00:04:34   mechanistically that people are utterly [TS]

00:04:36   predictable and she's not i mean she [TS]

00:04:39   walks into the room at the beginning of [TS]

00:04:40   the episode stark naked [TS]

00:04:41   it's not something normal people do well [TS]

00:04:44   it's 10 librarians haha its titillating [TS]

00:04:47   and get it in in a way it's titillating [TS]

00:04:49   to Sherlock in a totally different way [TS]

00:04:50   and this is this is maybe my favorite [TS]

00:04:52   thing in the entire three episodes is [TS]

00:04:54   that moment where she walks in stark [TS]

00:04:58   naked and we we do that the the trick [TS]

00:05:02   that they do where they have sort of a [TS]

00:05:03   readout of like thinks he's observing or [TS]

00:05:05   things that he's reading off of his [TS]

00:05:07   phone from a text message and as they [TS]

00:05:09   pan over parts of her skin [TS]

00:05:10   there's just these question marks and [TS]

00:05:12   that the whole idea that she's her being [TS]

00:05:15   naked as a challenge to him [TS]

00:05:17   not necessarily in a sexual way even [TS]

00:05:20   though she's been introduced as being a [TS]

00:05:21   dominatrix and all the stuff but that [TS]

00:05:24   she has erased all traces of her you [TS]

00:05:28   know her tells her background things [TS]

00:05:30   that Sherlock Holmes will be able to [TS]

00:05:31   reveal so it's such a great clever [TS]

00:05:34   double meaning by having her just walk [TS]

00:05:35   in naked and say well try to judge me [TS]

00:05:37   now right there's no there's no clothing [TS]

00:05:39   for him together any information on or [TS]

00:05:42   you know sort of adornments it's all [TS]

00:05:43   just it's all just out there you know [TS]

00:05:47   after the first season of the first [TS]

00:05:49   three episodes of this i was i also [TS]

00:05:52   don't remember how they got to that pool [TS]

00:05:53   and I was so long ago been a little more [TS]

00:05:56   already said pool party [TS]

00:05:58   come on yet and i had gotten not tired [TS]

00:06:02   of but I felt like they had done enough [TS]

00:06:03   of the oh isn't relax so clever and he [TS]

00:06:06   can just look at people and figure [TS]

00:06:07   things out any Superman so this episode [TS]

00:06:10   where he's well you know where he's he's [TS]

00:06:13   kinda bored with that in the beginning [TS]

00:06:14   with these cases you know he's rejecting [TS]

00:06:17   cases and he's got a case with the guy [TS]

00:06:18   with the car backfire stuff accounts [TS]

00:06:20   like yeah you know like he's bored with [TS]

00:06:22   it which I felt was a nice reflection of [TS]

00:06:24   the viewers possibility of being bored [TS]

00:06:26   with that and he's immediately [TS]

00:06:26   confronted with something [TS]

00:06:28   that I like with the question marks by [TS]

00:06:30   the naked person I i like that because [TS]

00:06:33   not because i thought like oh now [TS]

00:06:34   there's nothing that he can read because [TS]

00:06:35   i thought if he was actually at the [TS]

00:06:38   level-headed automaton that we thought [TS]

00:06:39   he was he would be able to read a lot of [TS]

00:06:41   things from just like how she applied [TS]

00:06:43   her makeup her hair or like marks on her [TS]

00:06:45   body or something but the reason he [TS]

00:06:47   couldn't is because as Jason pointed out [TS]

00:06:49   he was intrigued and intellectually [TS]

00:06:53   titillated by in this person who was [TS]

00:06:55   acting in an unexpected manner and also [TS]

00:06:57   just plain old attracted there was no [TS]

00:06:59   this is not we're wondering like does he [TS]

00:07:01   have romantic feelings in this episode [TS]

00:07:03   it's pretty clear that he definitely [TS]

00:07:04   does that even mean just like everybody [TS]

00:07:06   else is just a little bit weird [TS]

00:07:07   so this episode was by far my favorite [TS]

00:07:10   episode of the entire series on being I [TS]

00:07:13   can't use that I hate the British [TS]

00:07:14   terminology of series and season of the [TS]

00:07:17   entire six shows that have aired oh yes [TS]

00:07:19   so this was my favorite not even close i [TS]

00:07:22   I just loved it [TS]

00:07:23   I and it's because i think this episode [TS]

00:07:26   it make it builds on the first three of [TS]

00:07:29   like all these guys really smart and [TS]

00:07:31   then turns it on its ear but it's also [TS]

00:07:32   in itself a nice smart episode and i [TS]

00:07:34   love the fact the conclusion of this is [TS]

00:07:37   not so much Sherlock figuring out [TS]

00:07:38   something clever but Sherlock using like [TS]

00:07:40   his heart as well as his brain to get [TS]

00:07:42   somewhere you know what I mean I mean [TS]

00:07:43   the ASI guess again to use the brain as [TS]

00:07:45   well but i like that it was kind of like [TS]

00:07:47   a romance story like a love story with [TS]

00:07:50   Sherlock who's this very very damaged [TS]

00:07:52   individual and you know you got Watson [TS]

00:07:55   mixed in there is the the other love of [TS]

00:07:56   his life is a worked every part of it [TS]

00:07:59   work for me I just loved it [TS]

00:08:01   I think you're exactly right and you [TS]

00:08:03   know the first three episodes or the [TS]

00:08:04   first season or whatever i play out like [TS]

00:08:07   a high-class version of psych and they [TS]

00:08:12   mix it up and I'm actually looking [TS]

00:08:14   forward to the third season which [TS]

00:08:15   unfortunately doesn't begin filming in [TS]

00:08:16   2013 just to see how much farther they [TS]

00:08:19   push it [TS]

00:08:19   it's they started from a very [TS]

00:08:21   predictable place with Sherlock show and [TS]

00:08:23   they gone and second episode opens up [TS]

00:08:26   with a place that starts heading in a [TS]

00:08:27   different direction and ends in a very [TS]

00:08:28   different direction Sherlock is a [TS]

00:08:30   character at the end of it because the [TS]

00:08:33   BBC sent us these advanced copy yes [TS]

00:08:36   at the end of the sixth episode is a [TS]

00:08:38   very different person than the one who [TS]

00:08:40   starts out mocking Lestrade at the [TS]

00:08:42   beginning of the first episode RR least [TS]

00:08:44   we know him or I feel like he's the same [TS]

00:08:46   was always the same person but we [TS]

00:08:49   deserve because we're only seeing what [TS]

00:08:51   he wanted us to see what has you as we [TS]

00:08:53   better you that he does grow and change [TS]

00:08:54   throughout these these course even if [TS]

00:08:57   it's only to become more like himself in [TS]

00:08:58   some ways yeah his walls come down a [TS]

00:09:01   little bit [TS]

00:09:02   ati don't think he had the capability of [TS]

00:09:04   carrying about what's in the waitresses [TS]

00:09:06   exactly and they needed the beginning [TS]

00:09:08   also is our Sherlock and Irene Adler the [TS]

00:09:11   two most alabaster people have enrolled [TS]

00:09:14   little bit on [TS]

00:09:15   yeah she's got a lot of skin showing and [TS]

00:09:18   it's very pale as a sheet and she says [TS]

00:09:20   to him I cut my hand slapping those [TS]

00:09:22   cheekbones there's some nice there's [TS]

00:09:27   some nice touches and your two of two [TS]

00:09:28   the as a sort of as Moffitt and yes I've [TS]

00:09:31   done all along with the callbacks to the [TS]

00:09:33   original Doyle stories which is of [TS]

00:09:35   course this was this is a callback [TS]

00:09:37   mostly to bulimia scandal in Bohemia [TS]

00:09:41   which is the the one and only story in [TS]

00:09:44   which Irene Adler ever appears which is [TS]

00:09:46   was always fascinating to me how much is [TS]

00:09:48   made of her given that she only appears [TS]

00:09:49   in one story I think she might get [TS]

00:09:52   mentioned in one of the other ones but [TS]

00:09:54   she does become such a singular [TS]

00:09:56   character in the Sherlock Holmes [TS]

00:09:57   repertoire that you you inevitably see [TS]

00:10:00   her paraded out for every adaptation but [TS]

00:10:04   i like the callbacks and indeed my [TS]

00:10:06   favorite who was a scene because I not [TS]

00:10:08   long a year or two ago we watched much [TS]

00:10:10   of the jeremy brett granada series from [TS]

00:10:13   the what ladies early nineties and they [TS]

00:10:17   didn't adapt an adaptation of a scandal [TS]

00:10:19   in Bohemia there as well and the scene [TS]

00:10:20   where he tries to basically suss out [TS]

00:10:22   where she's keeping these is [TS]

00:10:24   incriminating pictures by essentially [TS]

00:10:27   the United they like take a fire alarm [TS]

00:10:29   yeah yeah yeah and so that's there's the [TS]

00:10:32   same sort of thing they do the exact [TS]

00:10:33   same thing in the original story which [TS]

00:10:34   is a a fake a fire to see her go to [TS]

00:10:38   whatever you know she is most likely to [TS]

00:10:40   protect protect what's the most valuable [TS]

00:10:41   possession because they sort of gonna [TS]

00:10:43   trick her into revealing that way yes he [TS]

00:10:45   has Sherlock has John out in the hall [TS]

00:10:47   with a magazine holding it up to a [TS]

00:10:50   to a smoke alarm right so I mean nice [TS]

00:10:52   little things like there was a you know [TS]

00:10:53   a tip of the hat for those who are who [TS]

00:10:55   are familiar with the source material to [TS]

00:10:57   say look at where were inspired by this [TS]

00:10:59   is to take it in a very different [TS]

00:11:00   direction and of course a lot of a plot [TS]

00:11:02   does not follow directly along the plots [TS]

00:11:04   of the original story but they they put [TS]

00:11:06   just enough in 24 those fans to [TS]

00:11:08   recognize which is I think a nice touch [TS]

00:11:11   that's the hallmark of like good nerd [TS]

00:11:14   media is that if you're adapting [TS]

00:11:15   something you have callbacks for the [TS]

00:11:17   people who know the source material [TS]

00:11:17   right and it doesn't distract you if you [TS]

00:11:19   don't I mean it's still not only doesn't [TS]

00:11:22   distract it doesn't rely on that because [TS]

00:11:23   I know nothing of the source material i [TS]

00:11:25   missed all these references until they [TS]

00:11:27   were read the wiki page and I still [TS]

00:11:28   loved everything about this episode so [TS]

00:11:30   it's just so great that it's like it's [TS]

00:11:31   just icing on top of icing it's not even [TS]

00:11:33   you know like Oh hint nudge nudge and [TS]

00:11:35   then you'll get this know you can get [TS]

00:11:36   the whole episode without it it's just a [TS]

00:11:38   little bit extra for the people know as [TS]

00:11:40   lifelong doctor who fans and [TS]

00:11:42   professional screenwriters Moffitt and [TS]

00:11:44   gave us both have I have learned how to [TS]

00:11:49   temper their their enthusiasm so fans [TS]

00:11:51   from the professionals writers and you [TS]

00:11:53   see it here because they are also both [TS]

00:11:54   insane [TS]

00:11:56   sherlock holmes fans my understanding is [TS]

00:11:58   that like Moffat before he was the [TS]

00:12:00   showrunner of doctor who he was actually [TS]

00:12:02   online a lot more than he is now he's on [TS]

00:12:04   Twitter but he used to be used to post [TS]

00:12:06   stuff all over the place and one of the [TS]

00:12:10   things he did was he actually hung out [TS]

00:12:11   in a doctor who forum in the off topic [TS]

00:12:14   section talking about sherlock holmes [TS]

00:12:16   all the time hehehe apparently is knows [TS]

00:12:18   you know that all the movies backward [TS]

00:12:20   and forward and can tell you about like [TS]

00:12:22   which Rathbone ones are good and you [TS]

00:12:24   know it and it's kind of amazing so here [TS]

00:12:27   you've got this case where where these [TS]

00:12:28   guys are are steeped in the history of [TS]

00:12:31   the Canon of Arthur Conan Doyle but they [TS]

00:12:35   also are smart professional you know [TS]

00:12:37   writers writing for a modern mainstream [TS]

00:12:39   bbc1 you know me here it's on PBS but [TS]

00:12:42   this is a mainstream channel big budget [TS]

00:12:45   production and they know they're not [TS]

00:12:47   going to blow it by making it obscure [TS]

00:12:50   and so they don't so they it's funny you [TS]

00:12:53   know because you think about sort of [TS]

00:12:54   sci-fi nerds and these guys are also [TS]

00:12:56   sherlock holmes nerds and they're doing [TS]

00:12:59   the same thing we're dropping in [TS]

00:13:00   continuity sort of like they do with [TS]

00:13:02   that [TS]

00:13:02   oh this is a [TS]

00:13:03   an alien who has mentioned briefly in [TS]

00:13:05   the first doctor in 1966 right it's it's [TS]

00:13:08   a lot like that but it's just there as a [TS]

00:13:11   garnish and it doesn't take away from [TS]

00:13:14   the main part of the story and some of [TS]

00:13:16   the adaptations are so clever just [TS]

00:13:17   Sherlock's nicotine patch addiction [TS]

00:13:21   oh yeah he can he can lay on the sofa [TS]

00:13:23   with his sleeve rolled up and you know [TS]

00:13:26   he slaps one of those odd leans back [TS]

00:13:29   just you know like he's taking a shot of [TS]

00:13:31   heroin for instance i wanted to mention [TS]

00:13:35   somebody mentioned it briefly the the [TS]

00:13:38   opening montage after we resolve the [TS]

00:13:41   cliffhanger which was just say the [TS]

00:13:43   clicker is resolved in very amusing way [TS]

00:13:45   we're essentially Moriarty is about to [TS]

00:13:48   have holmes and watson killed and as [TS]

00:13:51   they're standing there silently with the [TS]

00:13:52   little laser sights trained on Sherlock [TS]

00:13:56   and Watson's heads we here staying alive [TS]

00:13:59   the beginning of staying alive begin to [TS]

00:14:01   play and it turns out they are looking [TS]

00:14:03   at you like well what's that and then [TS]

00:14:05   Moriarty rolls his eyes and pulls out [TS]

00:14:06   his phone [TS]

00:14:07   it's his ringtone and he gets a call it [TS]

00:14:10   basically says something presumably he's [TS]

00:14:13   got something better to do [TS]

00:14:15   and so he goes well I gotta go by and [TS]

00:14:18   that's hit which is which is really [TS]

00:14:20   funny and phones in general and the [TS]

00:14:24   first season the phones and the texting [TS]

00:14:26   and and messages were really a major [TS]

00:14:29   part of of the of the story and here it [TS]

00:14:32   is as well we've got this interesting a [TS]

00:14:34   ringtone of Irene Adler where she [TS]

00:14:38   there's an it a nice sort of sighing [TS]

00:14:40   sound let's say and then the lock code [TS]

00:14:43   on her phone which contains all of the [TS]

00:14:45   all of the pictures that are [TS]

00:14:47   incriminating is a major plot point so i [TS]

00:14:50   think it's also funny that in depth in [TS]

00:14:52   these stories the cell phone which is so [TS]

00:14:54   important all of our lives is at the [TS]

00:14:55   core of the stories that they're telling [TS]

00:14:57   here [TS]

00:14:58   well show in and you know in some ways [TS]

00:15:00   in some ways in in the UK and Europe you [TS]

00:15:02   know that texting culture is even more [TS]

00:15:04   prominent that it is in the u.s. [TS]

00:15:06   surprisingly enough that it's been it's [TS]

00:15:08   been around longer and it's a little [TS]

00:15:09   more ingrained so it's nice that they [TS]

00:15:12   you know they filled i like when they [TS]

00:15:15   bring in the the modern the model [TS]

00:15:17   elements it's not necessarily [TS]

00:15:18   over-the-top I enjoy that they have [TS]

00:15:19   Watson instead of writing you know [TS]

00:15:22   newspaper accounts of homes is you know [TS]

00:15:24   cases that they have been maintaining [TS]

00:15:27   his blog and I see in the first episode [TS]

00:15:29   that his blog actually has become rather [TS]

00:15:30   popular and Sherlock has become kind of [TS]

00:15:32   a minor celebrity which leads to one [TS]

00:15:35   particularly oh you know i'm using scene [TS]

00:15:37   which even if you're not familiar with [TS]

00:15:39   Sherlock Holmes lower I think you'd get [TS]

00:15:41   the reference when they're forcing their [TS]

00:15:42   way out of what is it a theater and he [TS]

00:15:44   grabs a hat to disguise himself and of [TS]

00:15:46   course in your stalker for soccer so I [TS]

00:15:49   love that I love that they bring that in [TS]

00:15:50   eventually and they say everybody takes [TS]

00:15:52   pictures and it shows and montage very [TS]

00:15:55   cleverly done that they've got that that [TS]

00:15:57   shot of him in the deerstalker from [TS]

00:16:00   multiple angles in different papers so [TS]

00:16:02   you can see how it was like the all the [TS]

00:16:03   different cameraman for the different [TS]

00:16:04   papers were there and they all reprinted [TS]

00:16:06   it you know and then you've got Watson's [TS]

00:16:08   blog and that that's all part of a [TS]

00:16:09   montage that that the post-credit [TS]

00:16:11   sequence which is really excellently [TS]

00:16:15   done at that's what i was getting out [TS]

00:16:16   before that the lots of funny jokes and [TS]

00:16:19   references to different mysterious [TS]

00:16:22   circumstances including references to [TS]

00:16:25   the cannon there's a speckled blonde at [TS]

00:16:27   one point which is making reference to [TS]

00:16:29   the speckled band which is Sherlock [TS]

00:16:31   Holmes story may do a geek interpreter [TS]

00:16:33   which is a reference to the Greek [TS]

00:16:34   interpreter [TS]

00:16:35   oh yeah and the show doesn't like that [TS]

00:16:37   title and he doesn't think anybody's [TS]

00:16:38   gonna get it [TS]

00:16:39   have you actually been to the blog they [TS]

00:16:41   run the blog yeah they write up the [TS]

00:16:43   right places that aren't on the show on [TS]

00:16:45   the blog and the first season I went and [TS]

00:16:48   visited and it was great because all the [TS]

00:16:49   comments were also from characters in [TS]

00:16:52   the show and for many of the characters [TS]

00:16:54   in the show had their own websites like [TS]

00:16:55   a return is it Molly is she the other [TS]

00:16:58   the woman yak Molly Hooper he has her [TS]

00:17:00   own blog and it's all got pictures like [TS]

00:17:01   cats and everything on it it's an [TS]

00:17:03   excellent they did a very good job with [TS]

00:17:05   like you know flashing that all out [TS]

00:17:07   I'm reminded that they did a Twitter a [TS]

00:17:10   twitter account 244 Irene the the [TS]

00:17:13   whipping whipping hand or the whip and [TS]

00:17:16   that that that there was actually a fake [TS]

00:17:18   Twitter account too so you know lots of [TS]

00:17:20   really clever stuff but also that [TS]

00:17:22   montage just it not only does it serve [TS]

00:17:24   the purpose of of setting up with an [TS]

00:17:25   important plot point which is that [TS]

00:17:27   Sherlock has become much more well known [TS]

00:17:29   but it's also just really funny as they [TS]

00:17:32   have these like there's the guys they're [TS]

00:17:34   like the 323 nerds who who say well you [TS]

00:17:37   know it's like these things we see on [TS]

00:17:38   the internet and they sort of stayed you [TS]

00:17:41   pain away from them because Sherlock's [TS]

00:17:42   obviously not interested and then as [TS]

00:17:44   your painting away they said but then [TS]

00:17:45   they all came true in the end the pan [TS]

00:17:47   reverses itself and comes back because [TS]

00:17:49   suddenly like hope that sounds [TS]

00:17:51   interesting cause he's trying to find a [TS]

00:17:52   case that will hold his attention and [TS]

00:17:54   the best they can come up with is this [TS]

00:17:56   guy who shot out in the countryside [TS]

00:18:00   well there's the earth like there's a [TS]

00:18:03   backfiring car and and the guy out in [TS]

00:18:05   the countryside and what was it [TS]

00:18:07   something fell out of an airplane or [TS]

00:18:08   something in this message was a [TS]

00:18:09   boomerang [TS]

00:18:10   oh right it was the boomerang right [TS]

00:18:11   that's it airplane was a theory that was [TS]

00:18:14   that failed [TS]

00:18:15   it's like I didn't watch this episode [TS]

00:18:16   recently we also have like the the [TS]

00:18:19   person who says that is a from the [TS]

00:18:22   wikipedia page i think is the what the [TS]

00:18:23   wife's ashes or something weren't hers [TS]

00:18:25   and you know I that they created my [TS]

00:18:27   mother but these ashes are right i could [TS]

00:18:29   tell right and it all ties back [TS]

00:18:31   eventually it all ties back together [TS]

00:18:33   like a good TV show to the central [TS]

00:18:35   mystery case we're faking airplane crash [TS]

00:18:38   and everything right [TS]

00:18:40   we also get Mycroft who's played by Mark [TS]

00:18:41   Gatiss and he's a at a cog in the wheels [TS]

00:18:48   of the British government and you get [TS]

00:18:51   the sense of various points that he is [TS]

00:18:53   you know he's got a strained [TS]

00:18:56   relationship with his brother and he's [TS]

00:18:58   sometimes help but more often hindrance [TS]

00:19:01   and he gets Sherlock involved in the [TS]

00:19:03   case with Irene and the and the royal [TS]

00:19:06   family members that have been [TS]

00:19:08   compromising photos of them in [TS]

00:19:10   compromising positions it i don't know i [TS]

00:19:14   agree with John I i think this is the [TS]

00:19:16   strongest at the first episode of the [TS]

00:19:18   first season was also very strong but [TS]

00:19:20   it's certainly the strongest of this [TS]

00:19:21   season easily at and also liked the bit [TS]

00:19:25   with Molly you know you mentioned before [TS]

00:19:27   the attack has a crush on Sherlock and [TS]

00:19:30   she said she's kind of played for laughs [TS]

00:19:32   mostly in the first season or the first [TS]

00:19:34   series if you like yes thank you a [TS]

00:19:36   little british and yes splendid and in [TS]

00:19:39   this one in the first episode here kind [TS]

00:19:41   of the same thing happened [TS]

00:19:42   but then Sherlock kind of realizes that [TS]

00:19:45   like he hurt her feelings when he told [TS]

00:19:47   her that her sweater was ugly or [TS]

00:19:48   whatever the christmas thing and [TS]

00:19:49   everything later makes up for it so good [TS]

00:19:51   is it to humanization of sherlock and [TS]

00:19:53   whether it's because he's growing or [TS]

00:19:55   because we're getting to know him more [TS]

00:19:56   because he's lowering his walls it's the [TS]

00:19:58   development of the characters [TS]

00:19:59   interesting and it was desperately [TS]

00:20:00   needed after three episodes of Sherlock [TS]

00:20:03   Superman right well I think that's you [TS]

00:20:06   know a lot of that is the influence of [TS]

00:20:07   Watson to write like we've got you know [TS]

00:20:10   you've got Watson encouraging becoming [TS]

00:20:13   sort of his is interface with the public [TS]

00:20:15   but also sort of feeding that back to [TS]

00:20:17   him and encouraging him to become more [TS]

00:20:19   personable to a certain extent or just x [TS]

00:20:23   is sheer influence you know providing a [TS]

00:20:25   a example of look you don't have to be [TS]

00:20:27   this totally withdrawn character either [TS]

00:20:30   you can still relate to people i think [TS]

00:20:33   the casting is great because it really [TS]

00:20:34   brings that out i mean Cumberbatch looks [TS]

00:20:38   strange [TS]

00:20:40   yes alien and I mean only 0 he's all [TS]

00:20:42   angles and tall and handsome alien but [TS]

00:20:47   not not conventionally right he's gotta [TS]

00:20:49   be I agree with Greg he's got this very [TS]

00:20:51   weird face right but it works perfectly [TS]

00:20:53   for this role [TS]

00:20:54   well he's a printed British celebrities [TS]

00:20:55   Veila kinda weird red and then Martin [TS]

00:20:58   Freeman looks totally normal in every [TS]

00:20:59   way and they they fit their roles I mean [TS]

00:21:03   it's it i just think that works really [TS]

00:21:05   really well is the guy who is alien [TS]

00:21:09   looks to me at least odd and even Irene [TS]

00:21:15   Irene Adler who like it is beautiful but [TS]

00:21:17   is also for from the respective American [TS]

00:21:21   television shows where they always show [TS]

00:21:22   a grizzled detective the 22 year-old [TS]

00:21:24   woman right Irene Adler is not is not [TS]

00:21:26   funny too and it's from coming for [TS]

00:21:29   American television viewers refreshing [TS]

00:21:31   to see a woman who is not 18 to 22 or [TS]

00:21:34   playing you know it's like and someone [TS]

00:21:37   who was that successful and establishes [TS]

00:21:39   a dominatrix is not likely to be someone [TS]

00:21:42   in her early twenties right in the [TS]

00:21:44   latter will be cast because right there [TS]

00:21:46   the most attractive on American TV so i [TS]

00:21:48   don't know i can express it without [TS]

00:21:50   making her feel like I'm saying she told [TS]

00:21:51   she's not very beautiful but also she's [TS]

00:21:53   my age [TS]

00:21:54   oh well then she really is yeah he's a [TS]

00:21:57   reduction over the incident but but [TS]

00:22:00   generally really good and then the [TS]

00:22:02   ending i thought was great because it [TS]

00:22:06   the notes I mean maybe you guys felt [TS]

00:22:08   differently for me at the end when we [TS]

00:22:11   find out that that she's that she's been [TS]

00:22:14   killed and we see sherlock sort of [TS]

00:22:18   checking his phone and you the setup of [TS]

00:22:20   it being this kind of bittersweet ending [TS]

00:22:22   for for Irene and that this was the [TS]

00:22:25   Sherlock sort of i equal match or or [TS]

00:22:28   close to a match and then in and i would [TS]

00:22:33   have to say true Steven Moffat fashion [TS]

00:22:34   because he does seem to hate he's like [TS]

00:22:37   the anti joss whedon sweetie loves [TS]

00:22:40   killing characters and and Steven Moffat [TS]

00:22:42   loves making you think they're going to [TS]

00:22:44   die for certain and then have them all [TS]

00:22:46   live at the end we get this crazy [TS]

00:22:48   flashback to her execution where [TS]

00:22:53   Sherlock Holmes is like he's he's posing [TS]

00:22:57   as well as the person who's going to [TS]

00:22:59   executor and he helps her escape from [TS]

00:23:01   the terrorist camp and presumably she's [TS]

00:23:04   now often you know off hidden somewhere [TS]

00:23:07   i wanted to see a happy ending and I was [TS]

00:23:09   glad i got to see the happy ending but [TS]

00:23:10   we got both right we got the sad ending [TS]

00:23:12   that could have faded out right there [TS]

00:23:14   and then boom we get this other ending [TS]

00:23:16   but we also had them them handling [TS]

00:23:18   Sherlock of like one of the first times [TS]

00:23:20   that now we're his friends were going to [TS]

00:23:23   do something to spare his feelings which [TS]

00:23:25   is a fairly unprecedented event in in [TS]

00:23:28   this show so far is that what you can't [TS]

00:23:30   like they want to tell her how she's in [TS]

00:23:31   the witness protection program because [TS]

00:23:33   they knew they knew how we felt about [TS]

00:23:35   her and I knew this is a delicate state [TS]

00:23:37   but this guy usually doesn't feel these [TS]

00:23:38   things and expresses things but we as [TS]

00:23:39   friends reality is killing them so we [TS]

00:23:41   better you no telling when its [TS]

00:23:43   protective of course then meanwhile you [TS]

00:23:44   know he's knows making you know yeah oh [TS]

00:23:46   yeah i'm up i'll keep looking at these [TS]

00:23:48   old texts are more than 300 it's also [TS]

00:23:50   said I know because I'm such [TS]

00:23:52   intellectual but really you know he's [TS]

00:23:54   fine he's saying out when I give a [TS]

00:23:56   thumbs up also to a nice usage of mrs. [TS]

00:24:00   Hudson where they at one point have her [TS]

00:24:03   tied up and interrogating her and she's [TS]

00:24:05   you know all tearful and pretending you [TS]

00:24:07   know I'm just [TS]

00:24:08   just the landlady or whatever and then [TS]

00:24:09   we have a nice little scene with them in [TS]

00:24:11   the kitchen where q reveals that she was [TS]

00:24:13   holding the information they were [TS]

00:24:15   looking for all along and totally played [TS]

00:24:18   you know these thugs for fools which I [TS]

00:24:20   just thought was a great little seen it [TS]

00:24:23   also did I mean mrs. Hudson is a bit [TS]

00:24:25   somebody else that Sherlock cares about [TS]

00:24:26   right [TS]

00:24:27   very very much yes he goes berserk it's [TS]

00:24:30   totally got the window [TS]

00:24:31   yeah exactly i love i love their [TS]

00:24:32   relationship with her again something [TS]

00:24:34   that's a nice callback to the original [TS]

00:24:36   source material while still being [TS]

00:24:37   treated in a way that feels you know [TS]

00:24:40   makes like it makes sense right in this [TS]

00:24:43   particular setting it would be it would [TS]

00:24:45   be really easy to have sherlock holmes [TS]

00:24:47   be mr. Spock write that to have him be [TS]

00:24:50   just a it was an emotionless kind of [TS]

00:24:53   computer would be ornery kinda huh maybe [TS]

00:24:56   he should maybe he should he should be a [TS]

00:24:58   star trek with fight mr. Spock in a [TS]

00:25:00   future star trek movie but uh but no I [TS]

00:25:03   mean Sherlock as a human being he has he [TS]

00:25:06   has feelings he's got problems we see [TS]

00:25:07   that with his many nicotine patches you [TS]

00:25:10   know and and he is he can be emotionally [TS]

00:25:13   affected just because he lives in his [TS]

00:25:14   own little what they call it it's like [TS]

00:25:17   his spot palace that he lives in this um [TS]

00:25:19   he he does he is affected by the world [TS]

00:25:22   it's just he's not affected by it like [TS]

00:25:24   we are because he's not like us he is [TS]

00:25:25   this special character but he definitely [TS]

00:25:28   feels and can get really mad and and [TS]

00:25:31   react accordingly final bit of credit to [TS]

00:25:35   this episode is that i liked it so much [TS]

00:25:37   that I managed not to spend the entire [TS]

00:25:39   time obsessing over the way they were [TS]

00:25:40   showing how I cell phone work or lock [TS]

00:25:43   code is that because i really was just [TS]

00:25:45   terrible but I giant praise indeed just [TS]

00:25:48   went with it you know but now that I'm [TS]

00:25:50   thinking about the episode like you know [TS]

00:25:51   it's for character password and like he [TS]

00:25:54   could have just brute force that in the [TS]

00:25:55   time you spent thinking about it but [TS]

00:25:56   anyway just what were there are a number [TS]

00:25:59   of wasn't gonna wipe itself after a [TS]

00:26:01   certain number of failures i think that [TS]

00:26:02   was the weather was also has a bomb on [TS]

00:26:04   the inside as many there was many things [TS]

00:26:06   about that phone they were like and I [TS]

00:26:08   know you would never have made a copy of [TS]

00:26:09   it yes i did but i was watching the show [TS]

00:26:11   I did not think about that so to the [TS]

00:26:13   shows Chris you gotta love you got you [TS]

00:26:15   got a cell phone with a bomb inside you [TS]

00:26:16   got a safe with a gun inside and safe [TS]

00:26:19   with the gun that's that's old school [TS]

00:26:21   right oh yeah we start saying [TS]

00:26:22   super-secret sealed cell phone you can [TS]

00:26:25   never get data off of because of my god [TS]

00:26:27   there's magic tape that holds the actual [TS]

00:26:29   Sherlock's an affinity for technology [TS]

00:26:32   seems to bounce back and forth at the [TS]

00:26:34   beginning of the very first episode you [TS]

00:26:36   know he's texting all the reporters [TS]

00:26:37   during last rods press conference [TS]

00:26:40   you know and they don't know how he's [TS]

00:26:42   doing it and then later on he just seems [TS]

00:26:44   nonplussed by like Watson's blog [TS]

00:26:48   yeah because of the technology or is [TS]

00:26:50   that because those technologies magic on [TS]

00:26:53   TV okay right but that's the thing that [TS]

00:26:54   the reason that lock code work for me is [TS]

00:26:56   because the be a UH the climax of of [TS]

00:26:59   that thing was that he had realized that [TS]

00:27:02   she had feelings for him and it was a [TS]

00:27:03   climactic emotional moment in the annals [TS]

00:27:05   of typing in the phone and I am [TS]

00:27:07   sherlocked and all that stuff was just [TS]

00:27:09   so beside the point you're just happy [TS]

00:27:11   that this this character development has [TS]

00:27:13   happened that he realizes that she has [TS]

00:27:15   feelings when he realizes that he has [TS]

00:27:17   feelings that also helped him solve the [TS]

00:27:19   problem all burst into song in it but [TS]

00:27:22   everybody know and she realizes that [TS]

00:27:24   heat that she had she is now revealed [TS]

00:27:26   and she's cheating herself as naked [TS]

00:27:27   despite the fact that she was naked in [TS]

00:27:29   the first thing now she's like you know [TS]

00:27:30   revealed and we see that Sherlock was [TS]

00:27:33   also still his brain was still working [TS]

00:27:35   when he was holding her wrist and [TS]

00:27:36   everything like that great episode she [TS]

00:27:39   knows that he knows that she knows that [TS]

00:27:41   he knows that turtle giving away down [TS]

00:27:44   there too bad about the second episode [TS]

00:27:46   [Music] [TS]

00:27:49   yeah so yeah so from your thing [TS]

00:27:53   funny thing about the first season of [TS]

00:27:54   sherlock i remember watching it and we [TS]

00:27:57   talked about it briefly on a previous [TS]

00:27:59   podcast and you know people talk to me [TS]

00:28:04   about so do you like that and I said [TS]

00:28:05   well I like the first one I like the [TS]

00:28:08   third one the second episode of the [TS]

00:28:10   first season was really not very good it [TS]

00:28:12   kind of didn't make a lot of sense and [TS]

00:28:13   it was it wasn't it wasn't good it was i [TS]

00:28:16   can say now the worst of the sticks of [TS]

00:28:18   these i would say but this but I feel [TS]

00:28:21   like the pattern is repeated itself [TS]

00:28:23   where the middle episode of these three [TS]

00:28:24   this time this is the mark gatiss [TS]

00:28:27   episode he wrote the third episode last [TS]

00:28:28   year the hounds of baskerville adapting [TS]

00:28:32   obviously the Hound of the Baskervilles [TS]

00:28:33   and it was bad i thought it was bad i [TS]

00:28:38   again i thought that the first three [TS]

00:28:39   episodes were pretty good and that the [TS]

00:28:40   second episode was just not so good [TS]

00:28:42   there was stuff i really liked him that [TS]

00:28:44   there were individual parts of it that i [TS]

00:28:45   liked as well but as a whole it does [TS]

00:28:47   fall sort of flat and I thought that [TS]

00:28:49   climactic scene was just too ridiculous [TS]

00:28:52   which parts did you like no I mean there [TS]

00:28:56   are individual scenes I just like the [TS]

00:28:57   characters i like the estradas used well [TS]

00:29:00   here I think I think he feels like a [TS]

00:29:01   person there's a cover it what is the [TS]

00:29:03   line that there's a great dialogue scene [TS]

00:29:05   where they have something with you know [TS]

00:29:06   they they try to pull out the old you [TS]

00:29:09   know how i could tell you but I'd have [TS]

00:29:11   to kill you he gets office since you [TS]

00:29:15   know yeah it's as if I just didn't want [TS]

00:29:17   this up so recently but you gotta get [TS]

00:29:18   off the snappy was that there's some [TS]

00:29:20   funny writing there's some funny guy a [TS]

00:29:21   lot i like when they're down in the town [TS]

00:29:22   and they go to the pub and trying to get [TS]

00:29:25   information and there's some funny stuff [TS]

00:29:27   there [TS]

00:29:27   I think when they talked their way into [TS]

00:29:29   the Baskerville research facility or [TS]

00:29:32   whatever it is using my crops [TS]

00:29:34   information and and Sherlock just fakes [TS]

00:29:37   his way in think that's a really funny [TS]

00:29:38   scene that that and and they're worried [TS]

00:29:42   that you know they're going to place [TS]

00:29:43   that call and figure out that it's that [TS]

00:29:44   he's not the right homes and it's not [TS]

00:29:46   going to work as unlikely it is as it is [TS]

00:29:48   that that you could talk your way in and [TS]

00:29:50   there would be no like photo ID or [TS]

00:29:52   approval or something that they just [TS]

00:29:53   court sorta sure i'm i'm i'm Mycroft let [TS]

00:29:57   me in [TS]

00:29:58   but it's good stuff in there the biggest [TS]

00:30:01   problem with this episode is its [TS]

00:30:02   fundamental premise it it presumes at a [TS]

00:30:06   supernatural solution in the show that [TS]

00:30:07   is very much not about the supernatural [TS]

00:30:09   you know it's not going to be yet it's [TS]

00:30:12   not the x-files talking yet that's the [TS]

00:30:14   fake out the fake-out is that it's gonna [TS]

00:30:15   be awful but it's supernatural horror [TS]

00:30:17   spend a lot of time with the guy you [TS]

00:30:19   know staring out into his backyard being [TS]

00:30:21   afraid and you know that ultimately it's [TS]

00:30:23   not going to be a giant red-eyed hound [TS]

00:30:26   and it's gonna be dumb you know I did [TS]

00:30:27   you can just sense the second come on my [TS]

00:30:29   god this is gonna be so dumb i guessed [TS]

00:30:32   what the solution was and if I can guess [TS]

00:30:34   what the solution was you're not trying [TS]

00:30:35   because you're no Sherlock so so I'm [TS]

00:30:38   with the recent release [TS]

00:30:40   I just saw the other day of the avengers [TS]

00:30:42   movie I i was thinking back to this [TS]

00:30:44   because this is the solution is no hound [TS]

00:30:47   how does a an acronym for a special [TS]

00:30:50   orders a special you know and and the [TS]

00:30:52   Avenger of universals the marvel comics [TS]

00:30:55   were like that to wear their was like [TS]

00:30:56   their shield and has a ridiculous [TS]

00:30:57   background him and and and aim and Hydra [TS]

00:31:00   they all have their own little acronyms [TS]

00:31:03   that makeup & Hound is is a just right [TS]

00:31:05   out of that which is like really really [TS]

00:31:07   hound is an acronym for a military [TS]

00:31:10   laboratory and that somebody's wearing [TS]

00:31:12   you know live Liberty Indiana and that [TS]

00:31:17   would make this this kid think he is [TS]

00:31:18   he's got werewolves going its just oh [TS]

00:31:20   this nose so terrible I I think this is [TS]

00:31:24   the worst of the entire show [TS]

00:31:25   Wow but by far worse than i can run yes [TS]

00:31:28   i agree yeah I like 2i I didn't love the [TS]

00:31:32   second one from the first season but I [TS]

00:31:33   enjoyed it and this one was a little too [TS]

00:31:37   alright just too ridiculous we can agree [TS]

00:31:38   that episode to czar bad we can ya bring [TS]

00:31:41   happening something's wrong and they [TS]

00:31:42   finally they find the need to like [TS]

00:31:44   balance that you know the first one you [TS]

00:31:45   sort of got the coattails of you know [TS]

00:31:47   you either got the pilot or the [TS]

00:31:48   coattails of the last season right and [TS]

00:31:50   they stay put some good stuff up front [TS]

00:31:52   and in the last one as the cliffhanger [TS]

00:31:54   and the sort of the bill to the [TS]

00:31:56   conclusion where the middle ones just [TS]

00:31:57   like let's just come up with a story to [TS]

00:31:59   put in it they converted the star trek [TS]

00:32:01   curse but with with the show like this [TS]

00:32:04   where there's only three episodes per [TS]

00:32:06   season that kind of like you have room [TS]

00:32:09   for pirates in a doctor who thing right [TS]

00:32:11   you got more understanding that there's [TS]

00:32:12   just no there's no with three of them [TS]

00:32:14   please God just don't let there's no [TS]

00:32:16   room for pirates but he has no room for [TS]

00:32:18   that you can't have had the bad virus [TS]

00:32:19   across the black broken up because now [TS]

00:32:21   you've taken a third of the entire [TS]

00:32:23   season and dump it down the toilet [TS]

00:32:27   yeah it's yeah i heard i read an [TS]

00:32:29   interview with Mark Gatiss and he said [TS]

00:32:31   that he felt obligated to be more [TS]

00:32:33   respectful of the source material [TS]

00:32:35   because the hounds of Baskerville is so [TS]

00:32:38   well-known and I just think they worked [TS]

00:32:41   against what it is that establishes a [TS]

00:32:44   really effective formula was the source [TS]

00:32:46   material dumb because i don't know the [TS]

00:32:47   source material but this was no I mean [TS]

00:32:48   the source material even originally [TS]

00:32:50   really works is it does work but it's [TS]

00:32:52   cuz you got that you got that whole [TS]

00:32:53   victorian-era spooky gothic go stuff [TS]

00:32:57   right and that those even though you [TS]

00:32:59   know a lot of the stuff is going to turn [TS]

00:33:00   out to be explained rationally i think [TS]

00:33:03   the atmosphere of it works a lot better [TS]

00:33:05   than the original [TS]

00:33:06   I would be chemical weapons causing you [TS]

00:33:09   to causing my here's a good way said [TS]

00:33:11   fake it i believe it at some point in [TS]

00:33:13   here we're talking about genetically [TS]

00:33:16   altered you know or or read and at [TS]

00:33:19   attackanimal tonight with a bit i felt [TS]

00:33:22   like that would have been a better way [TS]

00:33:23   to go is to have it you know to have it [TS]

00:33:26   be that these are like biological [TS]

00:33:27   weapons or there's a breeding program [TS]

00:33:29   that control something that would be a [TS]

00:33:30   little more science fictional because we [TS]

00:33:32   live in an era where the oh it's ghosts [TS]

00:33:34   and specters it just doesn't get it you [TS]

00:33:37   know it just doesn't fly and so to use [TS]

00:33:39   that as the threat and say it's her I [TS]

00:33:41   remember turning my wife while you're [TS]

00:33:42   watching this and and saying is this an [TS]

00:33:44   x-files episode now because I just [TS]

00:33:47   that's not the frame of mind I'm in with [TS]

00:33:49   Sherlock Holmes I'm expecting a rational [TS]

00:33:51   solution and and then you know to [TS]

00:33:54   instead say well it's a military [TS]

00:33:55   conspiracy and there's a conveniently [TS]

00:33:58   you know if you're gonna commit a [TS]

00:34:00   horrible crime don't wear the t-shirt [TS]

00:34:03   that says found Liberty Indiana oh and [TS]

00:34:05   by the way if you're going to have a [TS]

00:34:06   secret government research lab don't [TS]

00:34:09   make t-shirts t-shirts with your [TS]

00:34:11   location written on them it's like any [TS]

00:34:15   other startup I didn't care about the [TS]

00:34:17   guy with what's-his-name the guy who's [TS]

00:34:19   having the nightmares arrested right he [TS]

00:34:21   was such a focus of the episode but I [TS]

00:34:23   don't [TS]

00:34:23   they're about him I don't care that he's [TS]

00:34:25   got problems like he's not that you know [TS]

00:34:27   especially after the first episode but [TS]

00:34:28   they made you care so much about your [TS]

00:34:30   lead characters you want you want to see [TS]

00:34:32   them like you want to see them growing [TS]

00:34:34   through you know even just like [TS]

00:34:36   Microsoft or Moriarty like that's that's [TS]

00:34:38   your main cast here and the other guys [TS]

00:34:40   they focus so much on a chair was having [TS]

00:34:42   nightmares I know it's gonna be dumb and [TS]

00:34:44   it's not gonna it's not stressing out [TS]

00:34:45   with other guys to solve this stupid [TS]

00:34:47   case there's no debate Mulder and Scully [TS]

00:34:49   style even between them to saying oh I [TS]

00:34:51   think it's go sorry can't because now [TS]

00:34:52   there's none of that it's just you [TS]

00:34:54   wouldn't have cared you wouldn't have [TS]

00:34:55   cared who it was because it was stupid [TS]

00:34:56   yeah I mean yes and water gets locked in [TS]

00:34:59   the lab and he's terrified you don't [TS]

00:35:00   care because you know as soon as you get [TS]

00:35:02   some fresh air is good it was it was it [TS]

00:35:04   I was a senior editor see was better [TS]

00:35:06   though and this and this is what I'm [TS]

00:35:08   getting from this conversation is is [TS]

00:35:10   this is an example of a very good show [TS]

00:35:14   doing a bad episode and it's bad because [TS]

00:35:18   there are some overarching problems with [TS]

00:35:20   it that just sort of make it fall apart [TS]

00:35:23   it's not to say that there is some stuff [TS]

00:35:24   in it that's good because I like i said [TS]

00:35:26   i like the village i liked the stuff [TS]

00:35:28   with a straw coming down I like stuff in [TS]

00:35:30   the pub where there to where we're [TS]

00:35:32   Watson and homes are sort of lying to [TS]

00:35:35   people about their identities to get [TS]

00:35:37   them to talk to them and give them [TS]

00:35:38   information there's like a therapist and [TS]

00:35:40   they get that get day to get his [TS]

00:35:41   therapist to break confidentiality which [TS]

00:35:44   is I thought that was funny i like the [TS]

00:35:46   scene with Watson trapped in the lab I [TS]

00:35:48   thought that was I thought that was [TS]

00:35:50   scary but i like that Holmes did it but [TS]

00:35:53   if I didn't it was just tedious but it [TS]

00:35:55   all you know even even if you like that [TS]

00:35:57   stuff i mean III agree with the [TS]

00:35:59   overarching idea here which is that it [TS]

00:36:02   all is for nothing because it it made no [TS]

00:36:05   sense and and this and that the the end [TS]

00:36:08   is this kind of foggy it's supposed to [TS]

00:36:11   be this like spooky were on the more [TS]

00:36:13   kind of thing accepted is it fog or yes [TS]

00:36:16   it is fog but it's also chemical [TS]

00:36:17   hallucinogens and and you can't [TS]

00:36:20   understand what's going on it just [TS]

00:36:22   yeah it was like they ran out of ideas [TS]

00:36:25   and time and said well you know we give [TS]

00:36:28   up the store and then the story is over [TS]

00:36:29   it was just a mess on all fronts [TS]

00:36:32   now I guess that we've settled that hope [TS]

00:36:34   you're not looking for an argument sorry [TS]

00:36:36   Marcus [TS]

00:36:37   while it has a nice let's not forget the [TS]

00:36:38   ending there is a brief little hint at [TS]

00:36:41   the end where we see we see Moriarty [TS]

00:36:45   again it doesn't get released by Mycroft [TS]

00:36:47   and yes which is an interesting you know [TS]

00:36:50   sort of brief moment of what is going on [TS]

00:36:52   heat we see him briefly show up in the [TS]

00:36:54   first episode as well as a contact of [TS]

00:36:57   Irene Adler's right she's working for [TS]

00:36:59   him right so we have that thread is [TS]

00:37:03   still going micro you know [TS]

00:37:04   Moriarty's left them alone for now but [TS]

00:37:07   at the same time you know he's [TS]

00:37:08   constantly in the back there as a threat [TS]

00:37:10   and so we have these nice little [TS]

00:37:12   building scenes with him but we don't [TS]

00:37:14   entirely know what's going on right [TS]

00:37:19   so in the Reichenbach Fall this is our [TS]

00:37:22   episode that is obviously based on the [TS]

00:37:26   final problem which is the episode where [TS]

00:37:28   are the current oil decided he was tired [TS]

00:37:29   of sherlock holmes was going to kill him [TS]

00:37:31   which worked out great for him and uh [TS]

00:37:34   and so he plunged in a battle with [TS]

00:37:36   Moriarty he plunged the feet [TS]

00:37:39   theoretically to their deaths over the [TS]

00:37:42   record block Falls and so this is the [TS]

00:37:44   episode about Moriarty and Holmes and [TS]

00:37:47   Moriarty moriarity's diabolical plan to [TS]

00:37:50   destroy sherlock holmes haha uh this has [TS]

00:37:56   got that flashback structure that is [TS]

00:37:57   still kind of invoke although you know [TS]

00:37:59   it's it's used i guess to a purpose here [TS]

00:38:02   i'm just really tired of that where [TS]

00:38:04   where you start off with something that [TS]

00:38:05   was at the end in this case Watson says [TS]

00:38:08   sherlock holmes is dead and then we [TS]

00:38:10   flash back to see how it happened and [TS]

00:38:13   it's all about this kind of Moriarty is [TS]

00:38:16   a master criminal and he breaks into the [TS]

00:38:19   crown jewels and the banks and has a [TS]

00:38:21   computer virus or something and and [TS]

00:38:24   allows himself to be caught so that he [TS]

00:38:26   can be put on trial and then I guess he [TS]

00:38:31   bribes the jurors and they let him off [TS]

00:38:33   or threatens the Germans them through [TS]

00:38:35   the cable TV [TS]

00:38:36   well I like the fact that he's a [TS]

00:38:38   magician's episode 3 doesn't have actual [TS]

00:38:40   magic he's a magician how do you get to [TS]

00:38:43   get a put off on a trial you get [TS]

00:38:45   something all the jurors how do you [TS]

00:38:46   break into you know the crown jewels you [TS]

00:38:48   bribe the guards and party and I didn't [TS]

00:38:50   like that that the eventual solutions [TS]

00:38:52   like you idiot on a code breaks also [TS]

00:38:54   carried it what is that some stupid [TS]

00:38:55   thing you see on TV you know just kind [TS]

00:38:57   of making fun of itself [TS]

00:38:58   yeah i paid I paid the guy and and all [TS]

00:39:00   the things that it's done well that's [TS]

00:39:02   imagine that whole set that whole anyone [TS]

00:39:04   else get a little freaked out with that [TS]

00:39:07   one bit where he's pretending to be an [TS]

00:39:09   actor I really you know what they're [TS]

00:39:12   going for there and it's like I know [TS]

00:39:13   that they're gonna what they're trying [TS]

00:39:14   to go for me i know that there is but [TS]

00:39:16   did you did you still make it go on long [TS]

00:39:18   enough they make it go on loan until [TS]

00:39:19   like you started to go with Sherlock [TS]

00:39:21   crazy is this and I just another not so [TS]

00:39:24   much that but like really are it are the [TS]

00:39:26   creators of this show so daring that [TS]

00:39:28   they're going to go with this like [TS]

00:39:29   straight up you know and say oh no [TS]

00:39:31   really act [TS]

00:39:32   those first those last four things you [TS]

00:39:33   saw where the delusions of a madman you [TS]

00:39:35   know and he was it unknowingly setting [TS]

00:39:38   himself up to solve these cases tyler [TS]

00:39:39   durden style right because I mean why [TS]

00:39:42   couldn't why not do that right so I they [TS]

00:39:44   did that seem long enough where I was [TS]

00:39:46   like I guess they could oh no you got me [TS]

00:39:48   all right it's Moriarty yeah but it's [TS]

00:39:52   good and you're right there's that [TS]

00:39:53   there's that great fake-out of the we [TS]

00:39:55   actually see the the guards at as the [TS]

00:40:00   dynamic the computer is the stuff [TS]

00:40:03   unlocks and you're led to believe that [TS]

00:40:05   we're seeing that standard kind of like [TS]

00:40:06   Oh something's happened to our computers [TS]

00:40:08   and that may be back to it later and [TS]

00:40:10   show that know it was you know it wasn't [TS]

00:40:13   it was social engineering basically that [TS]

00:40:15   led to that and it wasn't at all what we [TS]

00:40:17   were what we were led to believe which [TS]

00:40:19   we tend to believe right because that's [TS]

00:40:20   like the typical sort of plot [TS]

00:40:23   imaginations in a modern TV drama [TS]

00:40:26   including on the show including on the [TS]

00:40:28   show that's right so I i like the the [TS]

00:40:31   little cells and like when this episode [TS]

00:40:32   started they're like oh Moriarty's doing [TS]

00:40:34   these magic things and he's going to get [TS]

00:40:35   the crown jewel so I was like after the [TS]

00:40:37   the hands of basketball's my god know [TS]

00:40:39   how they're going to blow number 32 [TS]

00:40:41   I liked how they turned it around and [TS]

00:40:43   said no no he just get his pride people [TS]

00:40:46   yeah that was it that was a nice was a [TS]

00:40:49   nice touch [TS]

00:40:50   I mean it brings it brings it home maybe [TS]

00:40:52   appreciate having him sitting there on [TS]

00:40:54   the throne with the ground rules on [TS]

00:40:55   which was silly and hokey but that i [TS]

00:40:58   still give it a thumbs up right that [TS]

00:41:01   this is all a plot scheme by diabolical [TS]

00:41:06   Moriarty [TS]

00:41:07   whoo-hoo let's see what's the sequence [TS]

00:41:12   of events here is similarity is is [TS]

00:41:14   acquitted and he sets up Sherlock to be [TS]

00:41:17   viewed as a fraud and then Moriarty [TS]

00:41:22   threatens Sherlock's friends and he ends [TS]

00:41:27   up on the roof of a building right but [TS]

00:41:33   not always good idea it's gotta be [TS]

00:41:34   assassins out in the world to do his [TS]

00:41:36   bidding any basically says if I don't [TS]

00:41:37   give them a call the great kill everyone [TS]

00:41:39   you care about Sherlock me it's not me [TS]

00:41:41   on this on this building right right now [TS]

00:41:43   it's a battle of wills [TS]

00:41:44   shut up a showdown at high noon your [TS]

00:41:47   brain against my brain right before he [TS]

00:41:49   goes there he visits in the morgue with [TS]

00:41:52   Molly and then he goes which is [TS]

00:41:56   important because that's totally a setup [TS]

00:41:58   for the resolution of this mystery but [TS]

00:42:00   uh so they end up on the roof and in a [TS]

00:42:05   moment and again we're we're we're [TS]

00:42:07   talking about the third episode so if [TS]

00:42:08   you do not want to be spoiled [TS]

00:42:10   [Music] [TS]

00:42:12   do not listen to any further let's we're [TS]

00:42:18   gonna talk about what happens here the [TS]

00:42:19   the moment that is shocking and and [TS]

00:42:22   brilliant and surprised me is when [TS]

00:42:24   Moriarty makes it perfectly clear that [TS]

00:42:26   he's the only one who can call off the [TS]

00:42:28   assassins and if he doesn't call them [TS]

00:42:29   off they will kill mrs. Hudson and [TS]

00:42:31   Lestrade and Watson and he blows his [TS]

00:42:34   brains out [TS]

00:42:35   I love that was the trump card because [TS]

00:42:37   he's like you know this battle will i [TS]

00:42:38   know that you can call them off so i [TS]

00:42:40   just have to figure out from what I know [TS]

00:42:41   of you are you the kind of puma up sorry [TS]

00:42:43   but thank you yeah the end so great to [TS]

00:42:46   have sherlock standing on the roof and [TS]

00:42:47   there's that moment like all right mr. [TS]

00:42:49   big brain [TS]

00:42:50   yeah what are you gonna do now he has [TS]

00:42:54   contingencies [TS]

00:42:55   yep just like a you know just like Lucas [TS]

00:42:57   got Plan B and C and B it reminded me of [TS]

00:43:01   the end of seven where the completion of [TS]

00:43:03   his plan happens to be his own death [TS]

00:43:04   except at the end of 7 it you know he [TS]

00:43:07   got to see it all the way through the [TS]

00:43:08   bullet entering his brain was [TS]

00:43:10   confirmation that it worked here he [TS]

00:43:12   kills himself too early and I i I'd like [TS]

00:43:14   the Moriarty character even though he's [TS]

00:43:16   you know kind of the the supervillain [TS]

00:43:18   who runs everything behind the scenes is [TS]

00:43:19   a little overdone [TS]

00:43:20   no I can't blame them for using it [TS]

00:43:23   because it Arthur Conan Doyle kind of [TS]

00:43:25   invented it but I yeah I don't think he [TS]

00:43:29   would have killed himself before making [TS]

00:43:31   sure that he had defeated Sherlock well [TS]

00:43:33   the thing is he didn't get what he [TS]

00:43:34   didn't go up there planning to shoot [TS]

00:43:35   himself he seems like he came to that [TS]

00:43:37   realization on the roof that in this [TS]

00:43:39   battle of wills this was the only way he [TS]

00:43:41   felt like he could decisively win and I [TS]

00:43:44   think he didn't think like but I think [TS]

00:43:45   he realizes they thought it was a [TS]

00:43:47   checkmate [TS]

00:43:47   yeah if he stands you yeah if he stays [TS]

00:43:49   alive he's gonna lose this battle and it [TS]

00:43:51   but it figures but I've got that one [TS]

00:43:53   trump card because I'm crazy and so he [TS]

00:43:56   didn't go up on the roof figuring I'm [TS]

00:43:57   gonna go up on the roof and kill myself [TS]

00:43:58   he just got sort of drawn into that and [TS]

00:44:00   its final triumph from like he's [TS]

00:44:02   cornered you know and so I'm going to be [TS]

00:44:05   defeated but I've got this one last [TS]

00:44:06   thing I think he was triumphant as he [TS]

00:44:08   shot himself he just didn't think it [TS]

00:44:10   through quite long enough it is hard to [TS]

00:44:12   believe that he is willing to go to that [TS]

00:44:14   link i mean it does make an and a a [TS]

00:44:16   breathtaking moment while he is he's [TS]

00:44:18   also crazy i love the way it worked out [TS]

00:44:21   in the story i mean i just it the moment [TS]

00:44:23   where he shoots himself is kind of like [TS]

00:44:25   oh my god [TS]

00:44:26   odd but I don't know that somebody who [TS]

00:44:29   had spent so much time [TS]

00:44:30   rising up through the world with so many [TS]

00:44:32   his finger in so many different things [TS]

00:44:33   suddenly comes across Sherlock as [TS]

00:44:35   something that is not going to bore him [TS]

00:44:38   and then ends the game [TS]

00:44:41   well he wants to win I mean that's the [TS]

00:44:43   thing about I like the fact that he was [TS]

00:44:44   that he does he does do something he [TS]

00:44:46   does do something kind of rash and [TS]

00:44:48   everything because I you said Moriarty [TS]

00:44:49   as the like I'm the mastermind and I'm [TS]

00:44:51   gonna be around for 20 more seasons of [TS]

00:44:53   the show and it's I liked it better when [TS]

00:44:55   he's he's silly and flawed and just a [TS]

00:44:57   common criminal but wants to match with [TS]

00:44:59   Sherlock this is the culmination of his [TS]

00:45:01   life basically found the guy who he [TS]

00:45:03   wants to defeat to prove himself he's [TS]

00:45:04   bored he could be rich if you wanted he [TS]

00:45:06   could steal anything he wants you can do [TS]

00:45:07   anything you want but he wanted to meet [TS]

00:45:09   sherlock and he comes to this inclusion [TS]

00:45:12   doesn't stay around for it though he [TS]

00:45:14   doesn't stay around for Sherlock's to [TS]

00:45:15   feel he thinks that's the final move but [TS]

00:45:17   he can't be sure i know well it was the [TS]

00:45:20   final move Charlotte is dead right [TS]

00:45:22   not quite but what you don't like from [TS]

00:45:24   his perspective as far as he's concerned [TS]

00:45:26   that he's got all his eyes and cross [TS]

00:45:29   those teas and he kind of got into the [TS]

00:45:31   corner but he says I i see i can reach [TS]

00:45:32   her victory so he goes out think he's a [TS]

00:45:34   hundred percent one and if it wasn't a [TS]

00:45:36   show titled named after the character [TS]

00:45:38   who you want to die he probably would [TS]

00:45:39   have won [TS]

00:45:41   it's a big series finale of Moriarty you [TS]

00:45:44   have read Moriarty back for anything i'm [TS]

00:45:47   even by name i'm gonna be pissed off he [TS]

00:45:49   has a 22-21 killing him and he just [TS]

00:45:51   needs to disappear [TS]

00:45:52   yeah yeah although I you know jumping [TS]

00:45:55   off John's point I i think it's also the [TS]

00:45:56   way to view it is that this is the only [TS]

00:45:58   way he could plausibly win and he [TS]

00:46:00   doesn't want to lose so he's willing [TS]

00:46:02   essentially because he's crazy to kill [TS]

00:46:04   himself in order to give himself the [TS]

00:46:06   best chance of ruining Sherlock even it [TS]

00:46:09   even if it's not a hundred percent sure [TS]

00:46:11   it's gonna work [TS]

00:46:12   I think he figures this is his he's bees [TS]

00:46:14   that he doesn't matter living lot now [TS]

00:46:16   he's got it he's dead [TS]

00:46:17   every move he can make the same only [TS]

00:46:19   move left and hopefully it will work in [TS]

00:46:22   this better living in a world where he [TS]

00:46:24   knows he's been defeated but that's the [TS]

00:46:25   Sherlock oh yeah I hate him I just [TS]

00:46:30   couldn't walk out five minutes before [TS]

00:46:31   the end of a show not knowing how it [TS]

00:46:33   turns out for any if you're in the show [TS]

00:46:36   well you're not Moriarty well [TS]

00:46:39   so so I'm great moments on the rooftop [TS]

00:46:43   with Sherlock after that moment [TS]

00:46:45   afterward where he's standing there and [TS]

00:46:47   that there's the body on the roof and [TS]

00:46:49   then we've got Sherlock calling Watson [TS]

00:46:53   and a leaving his suicide note right [TS]

00:46:58   where he admits everything is is true [TS]

00:47:01   because he's trying to save them and [TS]

00:47:04   then he he jumps off the building and we [TS]

00:47:07   see somebody fall off the building and [TS]

00:47:09   land and smashed into the ground behind [TS]

00:47:12   a dumpster and widened Watson is about [TS]

00:47:16   to go a look at run to the the spot but [TS]

00:47:19   he's hit by a guy on a bike [TS]

00:47:21   coincidentally huh and you can't hear or [TS]

00:47:25   anything he's in a daze he's all [TS]

00:47:26   confused by the time he gets there the [TS]

00:47:29   people from the morgue are carding the [TS]

00:47:31   body away recording something like [TS]

00:47:33   something's happening [TS]

00:47:34   he's kinda fuzzy obviously efficient [TS]

00:47:36   morgue yeah interesting it's as if they [TS]

00:47:38   were tipped off in advance [TS]

00:47:40   is that something might happen but one [TS]

00:47:43   of the nice things about the way that [TS]

00:47:44   this works is all the pieces are there [TS]

00:47:46   and we get to think about how they [TS]

00:47:49   interlock but it's not solved for us and [TS]

00:47:52   that's like you know we need anybody who [TS]

00:47:54   knows the history of Sherlock Holmes [TS]

00:47:55   knows that the oil conan doyle tried to [TS]

00:47:58   try to kill them off and then brought it [TS]

00:47:59   back and so if you go to go into this [TS]

00:48:03   knowing that then you know that [TS]

00:48:04   Sherlock's not going to be dead you know [TS]

00:48:07   because it's a british show who knows [TS]

00:48:08   they could kill them at the end of it [TS]

00:48:09   but you know that you have to fake kill [TS]

00:48:12   him because that's part of the mythology [TS]

00:48:13   so how and I appreciate that they that [TS]

00:48:16   they left turn it right from the again [TS]

00:48:19   speaking of those who know the sort of [TS]

00:48:21   the cannon going into it thinking all [TS]

00:48:22   the Reichenbach Falls right you know at [TS]

00:48:24   the end they wrestle at the waterfall [TS]

00:48:25   and fall off the waterfall in their [TS]

00:48:27   bodies aren't seeing or whatever and so [TS]

00:48:29   we have that nice little bit at the [TS]

00:48:30   beginning where he recovers the painting [TS]

00:48:32   of the Reichenbach Falls and so I was [TS]

00:48:36   waiting the whole time for like oh [TS]

00:48:37   they're going to like you know how [TS]

00:48:39   closely are they going to adapt this and [TS]

00:48:41   then they go in a totally different [TS]

00:48:42   direction and it works so much better if [TS]

00:48:45   you see if you've seen the [TS]

00:48:47   robert downey jr Jude log Sherlock [TS]

00:48:49   Holmes to they he wrestles more audio [TS]

00:48:52   and downfalls and it's dull well I mean [TS]

00:48:56   it's a different it's a different sort [TS]

00:48:57   of adaptation i think and i agree that [TS]

00:49:00   this wonderful definitely want to turn [TS]

00:49:01   know it's great that they that they [TS]

00:49:04   showed to you at the end right it would [TS]

00:49:06   be really I was really concerned that [TS]

00:49:08   they were going to play completely [TS]

00:49:10   straight as a cliffhanger of is he dead [TS]

00:49:13   hmm well I'm not much of a cliffhanger [TS]

00:49:16   man here will be back for a season three [TS]

00:49:18   of the guy who killed himself also the [TS]

00:49:20   kind of creepy he hangs out his own [TS]

00:49:21   grave site [TS]

00:49:23   well what you know see who shows up [TS]

00:49:25   she's living there right [TS]

00:49:26   ok here are ppl say about him I mean but [TS]

00:49:28   every every character whoever fakes his [TS]

00:49:30   death rides always to their owners you [TS]

00:49:32   neural right if you're ever going to see [TS]

00:49:34   someone who you think is dead but might [TS]

00:49:36   not be checked behind the tree next to [TS]

00:49:38   the grave that's another always are [TS]

00:49:40   yeah okay I didn't like that man it's a [TS]

00:49:43   nice moment the way they pan over and [TS]

00:49:45   he's behind the tree and the music [TS]

00:49:46   swells and that's the end so it you know [TS]

00:49:50   I thought this was AI thought this [TS]

00:49:52   episode was pretty good [TS]

00:49:53   um you know I love the interplay between [TS]

00:49:54   on the rooftop especially some of the [TS]

00:49:58   setup stuff [TS]

00:49:59   yeah i don't know i mean some of it made [TS]

00:50:01   me feel uncomfortable because they [TS]

00:50:02   really are attacking the you know [TS]

00:50:03   attacking Sherlock and the whole premise [TS]

00:50:05   of the show and you're like oh what's [TS]

00:50:06   what's he really doing here although the [TS]

00:50:08   the tone when Moriarty's breaking in all [TS]

00:50:11   the crimes that are possible to be [TS]

00:50:12   broken in England simultaneously it's [TS]

00:50:15   kind of fun and like what is he doing [TS]

00:50:17   because you know you can't not watch it [TS]

00:50:19   on the metal level of like what's the [TS]

00:50:20   real story here this is too simple [TS]

00:50:23   Moriarty must have some sort of plan so [TS]

00:50:25   you have to have that going in [TS]

00:50:27   but I thought it was good as a little [TS]

00:50:29   overly dramatic i mean they're going to [TS]

00:50:31   see how it's got to be all about [TS]

00:50:32   everything you ever cared about is [TS]

00:50:34   entire series will put you put into [TS]

00:50:35   question one final episode that will be [TS]

00:50:37   unsatisfying cliffhanger but really he's [TS]

00:50:39   alive I mean there's a little bit of [TS]

00:50:40   that that's why didn't like it isn't [TS]

00:50:42   nearly as much as the first episode of [TS]

00:50:44   but it's alright it was certainly a big [TS]

00:50:46   step up from the stupid hounds you don't [TS]

00:50:48   really get the you've run along race [TS]

00:50:51   there been retold these many stories and [TS]

00:50:52   now you get your big resolution when [TS]

00:50:54   it's a three-episode season record ya [TS]

00:50:56   know the episode length really works in [TS]

00:50:59   their favor i think i agree or not [TS]

00:51:01   having to frame things into an hour and [TS]

00:51:03   they get to stretch them out to a [TS]

00:51:04   mini-movie and I i think that has really [TS]

00:51:08   benefited the series being able to tell [TS]

00:51:10   larger room your stories even if it does [TS]

00:51:13   mean a three-episode season it's an [TS]

00:51:14   equivalent of six doctor who episode so [TS]

00:51:17   it's sort of a half the length of what a [TS]

00:51:19   season of doctor who is but they stack [TS]

00:51:21   those episodes together and I i agree i [TS]

00:51:23   like the fact that they're the they're [TS]

00:51:25   there many movies that also means we had [TS]

00:51:28   a two-part a two-part hound series you [TS]

00:51:30   can you imagine if we had a two-part [TS]

00:51:32   part pirate episode would be killing [TS]

00:51:34   ourselves like come on and we have the [TS]

00:51:35   two-part silurian episode of dr. that's [TS]

00:51:37   pretty bad but yeah we still don't know [TS]

00:51:39   what you're talking about she is doing [TS]

00:51:40   this more than they used to but they [TS]

00:51:42   there's another series which the BBC [TS]

00:51:44   sent me a pretty much greater yes called [TS]

00:51:47   black mirror that is 3 90 minute [TS]

00:51:50   episodes or 45 minute episodes and I [TS]

00:51:52   think and it's it's it's just it it [TS]

00:51:54   works in a way that that I haven't seen [TS]

00:51:56   in dead it in black mirror they're [TS]

00:51:58   totally unrelated but there they just [TS]

00:52:00   function is nice little chunks of [TS]

00:52:02   content they do short seasons over there [TS]

00:52:04   and one of the reasons i think is to get [TS]

00:52:05   more stuff on the air that the other [TS]

00:52:07   budgets are limited and so they're [TS]

00:52:09   willing to 23 episodes here and five [TS]

00:52:12   episodes there instead of in the [TS]

00:52:14   American model where everything's 13 or [TS]

00:52:16   ideally 22 episodes a year you know it [TS]

00:52:20   is i like i said i wish i wish it was [TS]

00:52:22   more like six but at the time it takes [TS]

00:52:25   to do it like I don't think first off [TS]

00:52:28   Steven Moffat I mean doctor who is [TS]

00:52:29   almost year-round and he's doing this [TS]

00:52:31   and then i'm not sure whether Benedict [TS]

00:52:33   Cumberbatch which I just love saying it [TS]

00:52:36   is is available or Martin Freeman is [TS]

00:52:39   available to do [TS]

00:52:40   much more than this a year anyway and it [TS]

00:52:43   sounds like they want to keep doing this [TS]

00:52:44   it we should say no Benedict [TS]

00:52:46   Cumberbatch's we will mentioned earlier [TS]

00:52:48   he's in currently filming the next star [TS]

00:52:51   trek movie Martin Freeman has finished [TS]

00:52:55   or is still in the midst of filming the [TS]

00:52:57   two Hobbit movies one of which is coming [TS]

00:52:59   this fall for this winter [TS]

00:53:01   so these guys are in demand and Martin [TS]

00:53:05   Freeman is becoming like the game movie [TS]

00:53:07   god [TS]

00:53:08   yeah well anyways don't forget batteries [TS]

00:53:10   Benedict Cumberbatch also in The Hobbit [TS]

00:53:12   no invoice only oh yes he's a dragon i [TS]

00:53:15   believe i believe you up so so these [TS]

00:53:18   guys are busy and so we you know maybe [TS]

00:53:20   three episodes all weekend getaway we [TS]

00:53:21   can ask for more but given the day that [TS]

00:53:24   that they only are making to good [TS]

00:53:26   episodes he hit her yeah that's an [TS]

00:53:28   invention like how much good writing is [TS]

00:53:29   then we talked about this with Doctor [TS]

00:53:31   Who to like maybe they just maybe they [TS]

00:53:32   just don't have that many good episodes [TS]

00:53:34   in the moment like maybe if they did [TS]

00:53:35   could be trim off the bad episodes of [TS]

00:53:37   Doctor Who make a shorter season I'd and [TS]

00:53:39   here they just have to do three and they [TS]

00:53:40   still they just can't hang out three [TS]

00:53:42   that are up to the left the highest [TS]

00:53:43   level like it's really uneven for a [TS]

00:53:46   series that has three episodes a year [TS]

00:53:47   you know really uneven and he said you [TS]

00:53:50   up down up [TS]

00:53:51   I mean it's yeah so maybe maybe cut back [TS]

00:53:53   two to two-and-a-half or what I don't [TS]

00:53:55   know what you have to do anything you [TS]

00:53:57   think back to that some of the shows [TS]

00:53:58   that we love for American TV just like I [TS]

00:54:00   mean that was part of the sopranos or [TS]

00:54:01   something like we're at the sopranos has [TS]

00:54:04   ups and downs but man they did like [TS]

00:54:05   umpteen episodes that ended the there [TS]

00:54:07   was much the standard deviation was you [TS]

00:54:10   know how much longer this was very more [TS]

00:54:11   of an even keel like highlights and a [TS]

00:54:13   couple of lights but not these big dips [TS]

00:54:15   you know it seems like they just don't [TS]

00:54:17   have I don't know if Steven Moffat is is [TS]

00:54:19   over committed or they don't have the [TS]

00:54:21   time or they just have bad judgment [TS]

00:54:22   about what's gonna work and what's not [TS]

00:54:24   going to but it is different when you're [TS]

00:54:26   trying to make things which are [TS]

00:54:27   essentially you're essentially making [TS]

00:54:28   three movies right i mean i think that [TS]

00:54:31   has a different in some ways you know a [TS]

00:54:33   different proposition than making you [TS]

00:54:36   know what it's like extra 30 minutes but [TS]

00:54:38   again think of the sopranos a lot of [TS]

00:54:40   those things were two episode arcs that [TS]

00:54:42   they just happen to be split up because [TS]

00:54:43   the episodes were only an hour longer or [TS]

00:54:44   whatever and they would come in little [TS]

00:54:46   batches like that but you know our pick [TS]

00:54:48   any other series that you want that has [TS]

00:54:49   just better consistency with men [TS]

00:54:52   much much more content and I don't know [TS]

00:54:54   if it's this because the writers don't [TS]

00:54:55   have time the actors don't have time or [TS]

00:54:57   there's some some other functional I [TS]

00:54:59   don't watch many british shows as Doctor [TS]

00:55:00   Who and Sherlock mainly in and the both [TS]

00:55:04   have the same problem of course both of [TS]

00:55:05   them involve Steven Moffat so maybe [TS]

00:55:06   that's part of the well I mean I watch a [TS]

00:55:08   lot of pressures I don't think that's [TS]

00:55:09   anything necessarily endemic to to you [TS]

00:55:12   know stuff produced there i think the [TS]

00:55:13   space was a hundred percent good there [TS]

00:55:15   goes another example [TS]

00:55:17   well I want to put in it and there's a [TS]

00:55:18   lot of stuff that just has to be much [TS]

00:55:20   more even keel but it may just depend [TS]

00:55:22   with the writing staff in this [TS]

00:55:23   particular show i do think that it's [TS]

00:55:24   exacerbated by the small sample size [TS]

00:55:26   right i mean if if you do 20 episodes [TS]

00:55:29   and you have three or four bad ones you [TS]

00:55:31   kind of shrugging off a little bit more [TS]

00:55:32   with I know with doctor who with 13 you [TS]

00:55:35   know you have that pirate episode and [TS]

00:55:37   you're like wait a second you know you [TS]

00:55:39   only have 13 make them all good and I'm [TS]

00:55:41   sure like you only have three [TS]

00:55:42   why can't they all be good and and it [TS]

00:55:45   does [TS]

00:55:46   I you know I don't know whether it some [TS]

00:55:47   some of it may just be the production [TS]

00:55:49   system that they don't have the ability [TS]

00:55:50   to Commission eight scripts and then [TS]

00:55:52   pick three good ones they commissioned [TS]

00:55:53   three scripts and if you get angry at [TS]

00:55:56   his finger and probably also with roses [TS]

00:55:57   this case it's from the one of the [TS]

00:55:59   co-executive producers so is there [TS]

00:56:00   somebody really there to say you don't [TS]

00:56:03   think you might not have time like it if [TS]

00:56:06   it's not working you have to just go [TS]

00:56:07   with it because we don't have time to [TS]

00:56:08   write a new one and filming new one we [TS]

00:56:10   have to just go without I guess yeah [TS]

00:56:12   yeah but but that said I mean even with [TS]

00:56:14   these these clunkers in the middle [TS]

00:56:17   uh you know even with a bad episodes [TS]

00:56:20   there are things about them that are [TS]

00:56:21   good and the way their shot and and some [TS]

00:56:23   of the scenes and when this show is on [TS]

00:56:25   I you know it's really quite good and [TS]

00:56:28   and a fact that this is we're talking [TS]

00:56:31   about sherlock holmes right i mean that [TS]

00:56:33   they have taken this character that has [TS]

00:56:35   been on not just you know was written [TS]

00:56:38   about more than a hundred years ago but [TS]

00:56:40   has been interpreted in film and TV time [TS]

00:56:43   and time again and done something that [TS]

00:56:45   is successful and interesting and fresh [TS]

00:56:48   and modern you know all it is a great [TS]

00:56:51   accomplishment because this really could [TS]

00:56:53   have stunk right i mean Orban boring [TS]

00:56:56   and/or Orban like those two robert [TS]

00:56:59   downey jr movies and it's not so i'm [TS]

00:57:02   looking at wikipedia which is the source [TS]

00:57:04   of all knowledge as we know [TS]

00:57:06   uh and it looks like uh oh yeah they're [TS]

00:57:10   not gonna even start producing the show [TS]

00:57:11   until early 2013 notnot Aaron 2013 are [TS]

00:57:15   going to start producing it so it's [TS]

00:57:17   gonna be a long time before we see more [TS]

00:57:21   everyone's going to be old but yeah [TS]

00:57:23   Benedict Cumberbatch's gonna have one [TS]

00:57:25   aa2 academy awards for all the film [TS]

00:57:28   roles that he'll be taking in the next [TS]

00:57:30   two years so any other final comments [TS]

00:57:33   about Sherlock before we before we close [TS]

00:57:35   the door on season two series to make [TS]

00:57:38   more making yeah so I think what I mean [TS]

00:57:40   despite our despite our complaints i [TS]

00:57:42   think you know there's no argument that [TS]

00:57:43   will all turn in tune in for the next [TS]

00:57:45   season even our complaints we didn't [TS]

00:57:47   like episode 2 so much but we like one [TS]

00:57:49   and three and wish they would make more [TS]

00:57:50   like that because it was really good and [TS]

00:57:52   you know to just suffers in comparison [TS]

00:57:55   would be you know it it's a good show [TS]

00:57:57   make more in just one just one episode [TS]

00:58:00   like the first episode of this season is [TS]

00:58:02   fine that holds me for a year [TS]

00:58:03   yeah one of those hear ya yep I'd be [TS]

00:58:06   okay with that [TS]

00:58:07   alright well that I think we've covered [TS]

00:58:11   Sherlock enough for the next I guess [TS]

00:58:14   next two years no that's depressing [TS]

00:58:17   three episodes every two years [TS]

00:58:19   alright you know Steven Moffat got his [TS]

00:58:21   hands full with the 50th anniversary [TS]

00:58:22   doctor who do I think so you know he can [TS]

00:58:25   he can take some time while Benedict [TS]

00:58:27   Cumberbatch's fighting Spock for the [TS]

00:58:32   next year and while Martin Freeman is [TS]

00:58:33   fighting Diegans is burgling alright not [TS]

00:58:39   doing the hitchhiker's sequel I i think [TS]

00:58:44   the hitchhiker's equals going to be on a [TS]

00:58:45   double bill with John Carter sequel [TS]

00:58:47   inhale well ah maybe they'll be a [TS]

00:58:53   another marble marvelous spin-off movie [TS]

00:58:56   that you can do you think so you can be [TS]

00:58:59   in the excalibur was that the English [TS]

00:59:03   yes [TS]

00:59:04   Excalibur with Captain Britain Yesi [TS]

00:59:06   martin freeman get in there [TS]

00:59:07   alright so we will close the door on [TS]

00:59:09   Sherlock which is continuing to air as [TS]

00:59:12   we record this on PBS in the United [TS]

00:59:15   States and it's available elsewhere i [TS]

00:59:18   think on TV [TS]

00:59:19   d already because everywhere else they [TS]

00:59:21   they already saw it it's just in America [TS]

00:59:23   where we had to wait until may to watch [TS]

00:59:25   it unless you got the screeners early [TS]

00:59:28   like yes so until the next episode of [TS]

00:59:31   the incomparable I want to thank my [TS]

00:59:32   guests [TS]

00:59:33   Greg NOS thanks for being here thank you [TS]

00:59:36   John siracusa thank you very much [TS]

00:59:38   we're going back into charlotte [TS]

00:59:40   hibernation now alright hibernation mode [TS]

00:59:42   for two years probably and Dan Morgan [TS]

00:59:44   always thinking [TS]

00:59:47   thank you so until next time I'm Jason [TS]

00:59:49   smell for the help of podcast [TS]

00:59:51   thank you for joining us [TS]

00:59:51   thank you for joining us [TS]

01:00:00   [Music] [TS]

01:00:08   instead of saying recording we show [TS]

01:00:10   imitates commenting saying saying hello [TS]

01:00:13   no I have a very different relationship [TS]

01:00:18   with Scott McKnight haha was that a good [TS]

01:00:23   evil laugh on mildly evil haha you're no [TS]

01:00:28   doctor horrible as someone who is sort [TS]

01:00:30   of you know you know a megalomaniacal [TS]

01:00:32   you test it is George again you're [TS]

01:00:35   saying you're saying that is since as [TS]

01:00:38   you are a mega woman I think there's [TS]

01:00:40   going to be a really can't make the [TS]

01:00:42   connection [TS]

01:00:43   yeah I feel I feel that I you wouldn't [TS]

01:00:45   do that i identify with Moriarty I [TS]

01:00:48   wouldn't poop [TS]