The Incomparable

84: Wind is the Enemy


00:00:01   ok [TS]

00:00:05   the incomparable podcast number 84 [TS]

00:00:09   market 2012 we're back on the [TS]

00:00:14   incomparable podcast I am Jason Snelling [TS]

00:00:16   your host and i'm joined by a single [TS]

00:00:18   guest this time it is John siracusa hi [TS]

00:00:20   John [TS]

00:00:21   hello Jason we are here to talk about [TS]

00:00:23   the films of one particular director and [TS]

00:00:27   the it is heiio miyazaki the Japanese [TS]

00:00:30   director of animated films many of which [TS]

00:00:34   are near and dear to our hearts so we [TS]

00:00:37   thought we would take some time and and [TS]

00:00:39   we've been running up to this because we [TS]

00:00:40   did our children's film episode where we [TS]

00:00:44   talked about this a little bit and in [TS]

00:00:46   the in the draft of films John [TS]

00:00:50   specifically avoided drafting miyazaki [TS]

00:00:54   movies and I had one of my own honorable [TS]

00:00:56   mention but I didn't draft any anyway [TS]

00:00:59   but you may you may or may not i mean [TS]

00:01:00   he's kind of a cult figure right i mean [TS]

00:01:02   the people who know him really know him [TS]

00:01:04   and love him and then there's lots of [TS]

00:01:05   people I think who quite sadly have no [TS]

00:01:09   idea who this guy is and he's actually [TS]

00:01:10   one of the great figures in animated [TS]

00:01:15   film history [TS]

00:01:16   yeah I'm kind of disappointed in our [TS]

00:01:18   crop of nerds that I thought there would [TS]

00:01:21   be more miyazaki nerds even you were not [TS]

00:01:23   a miyazaki nerd you had seen some and [TS]

00:01:25   like them but you have to do a bunch of [TS]

00:01:27   homework for this episode to go back and [TS]

00:01:28   watch the newcomers I thought for sure [TS]

00:01:30   they would be a better representation in [TS]

00:01:33   the incomparable crew of people who are [TS]

00:01:35   really into anime or no miyazaki is but [TS]

00:01:38   it looks like it was just me and then [TS]

00:01:39   you as the person who was willing to [TS]

00:01:42   well as the host as the host I am always [TS]

00:01:45   up for well that's not true there are [TS]

00:01:47   some things that I'm not going to the [TS]

00:01:48   research on but in this I was happy to [TS]

00:01:50   do it because a couple of his movies are [TS]

00:01:53   among my favorite movies of all time and [TS]

00:01:55   ones that i love watching with my kids [TS]

00:01:58   and so I was happy to explore further [TS]

00:02:01   but it's true i'm sure there are some [TS]

00:02:03   listeners out there who cannot believe [TS]

00:02:05   that we couldn't chin up a third or [TS]

00:02:07   fourth guest for this episode but I [TS]

00:02:08   figured at this point you know between [TS]

00:02:10   the two of us to to survey this guy's [TS]

00:02:13   career when we're talking about miyazaki [TS]

00:02:15   with what does he have like nine feature [TS]

00:02:18   film [TS]

00:02:19   so there's a lot to talk about i think [TS]

00:02:22   we could probably go film by film and [TS]

00:02:25   talk about them a little bit and [TS]

00:02:26   honestly i think that that we could take [TS]

00:02:27   one or two of these movies and spend a [TS]

00:02:30   full hour just on them so between the [TS]

00:02:31   two of us you can you can go you can go [TS]

00:02:34   with a deep knowledge or i guess the [TS]

00:02:36   broad knowledge of his career and I can [TS]

00:02:38   go deep with a few films and then I can [TS]

00:02:40   chime in on a few others but so so where [TS]

00:02:44   should we start hehe miyazaki actually [TS]

00:02:47   did some some comics some manga before [TS]

00:02:50   he he started doing films right that's [TS]

00:02:54   one thing I don't know about i'm not a [TS]

00:02:56   miyazaki historian and i followed his [TS]

00:02:58   career from so my understanding is that [TS]

00:03:00   NASA is actually based among get that he [TS]

00:03:01   working out yeah a lot of his movies are [TS]

00:03:03   based on works that are not his so he's [TS]

00:03:05   right one of those people who have to [TS]

00:03:06   write everything that he creates or [TS]

00:03:09   originated the intellectual property as [TS]

00:03:11   we now called right right and he's also [TS]

00:03:13   got some interesting at these films are [TS]

00:03:15   fascinated me the first the first movie [TS]

00:03:17   of his that I saw was actually spirited [TS]

00:03:19   away which won the Oscar for Best [TS]

00:03:21   Animated Feature and that is a that is a [TS]

00:03:25   really strange movie and I remember [TS]

00:03:27   seeing it and thinking parts of this are [TS]

00:03:29   really beautiful and then there are [TS]

00:03:31   things that happen in the plot that I i [TS]

00:03:33   just got the distinct feeling that [TS]

00:03:35   despite all of the presumably careful [TS]

00:03:38   translation that went into the movie in [TS]

00:03:40   making it for an english-speaking [TS]

00:03:41   audience that the that they were massive [TS]

00:03:45   cultural gaps that I could not [TS]

00:03:46   understand that and I kept thinking to [TS]

00:03:49   myself I'm sure what I just saw it made [TS]

00:03:51   sense to people in Japan but i have no [TS]

00:03:54   idea what is going to happen now like [TS]

00:03:56   took things that happen completely out [TS]

00:03:58   of the blue at which I actually love I [TS]

00:04:00   mean there's some scenes in there that [TS]

00:04:01   that I wear it in spirited away where [TS]

00:04:05   there's that what the the faceless the [TS]

00:04:07   no-face guy and he ends up like vomiting [TS]

00:04:11   everything its he's eaten and and I [TS]

00:04:14   thought well sure of course that would [TS]

00:04:17   happen he there's like a slug that gets [TS]

00:04:21   thrown up and mph at and it just it was [TS]

00:04:25   so weird and and so I didn't watch any [TS]

00:04:28   other movies of his for a while because [TS]

00:04:29   that is a very strange movie I do [TS]

00:04:32   have you watched any anime and your [TS]

00:04:33   sordid past of being a teen comic book [TS]

00:04:37   nerd so whatever [TS]

00:04:38   no I am completely anime layered beyond [TS]

00:04:41   the beyond the American a Americanized [TS]

00:04:46   version of i guess it was a battleship [TS]

00:04:49   yamato but its star Blazers basically [TS]

00:04:52   with the only i'm only anime that I ever [TS]

00:04:53   at that I ever saw and so when I saw [TS]

00:04:56   spirited away I was like whoa this is [TS]

00:04:57   interesting [TS]

00:04:59   that's so so when you watch a lot of [TS]

00:05:00   anime or I'll up you tend to get steeped [TS]

00:05:05   in Japanese culture without even knowing [TS]

00:05:07   you are because you don't know where [TS]

00:05:08   these things come from but once you see [TS]

00:05:09   the same type of thing in 20 different [TS]

00:05:11   and you're like that must be a thing is [TS]

00:05:13   surely these 20 different people aren't [TS]

00:05:16   didn't arrive at this strange thing that [TS]

00:05:18   strange to me as a westerner on their [TS]

00:05:20   own and so by the time spirited away [TS]

00:05:23   comes along if like me you spent here [TS]

00:05:25   teen years watching all the anime you [TS]

00:05:27   could find at speedway seems i mean i'm [TS]

00:05:31   not going to say it's not weird it is [TS]

00:05:32   weird but it's kind of like the same [TS]

00:05:33   kind of weird that are used as [TS]

00:05:35   consistent it [TS]

00:05:36   yeah and within the realm of anime i [TS]

00:05:37   would say that like if if you have never [TS]

00:05:41   seen a movie before and then you saw I [TS]

00:05:44   don't get to pick a director I gotta [TS]

00:05:46   terrence malick Quentin Tarantino's I [TS]

00:05:50   gave if there is something you know [TS]

00:05:52   there are directors and his films and [TS]

00:05:53   then there are the ones that we put up [TS]

00:05:54   on pedestals these great directors or [TS]

00:05:56   whatever [TS]

00:05:57   anime is similar there's anime that's [TS]

00:06:00   you know those Michael Bay anime to come [TS]

00:06:02   to put it bluntly I and and then [TS]

00:06:05   miyazaki is definitely one of those big [TS]

00:06:07   names in Scorsese's the coppola he's [TS]

00:06:09   right [TS]

00:06:09   even the the quentin tarantino sometimes [TS]

00:06:12   kind of all rolled into one so although [TS]

00:06:14   i was a big anime fan when i was a teen [TS]

00:06:16   as i got older i came to narrow my [TS]

00:06:19   appreciation of Japanese animation so [TS]

00:06:23   why I only want the good stuff kinda [TS]

00:06:24   like you with the with watchman i just [TS]

00:06:26   listened to that watchman episode where [TS]

00:06:27   you said that after watch men you're [TS]

00:06:30   like why why am i bothering with this [TS]

00:06:31   yeah well read this crap because like [TS]

00:06:33   look at the watchman showed how it's [TS]

00:06:35   done and anything doesn't live up to [TS]

00:06:36   that standard seems like I'm wasting my [TS]

00:06:37   time [TS]

00:06:38   so once I discovered this video jibley [TS]

00:06:41   movies and miyazaki and discovered this [TS]

00:06:44   little little [TS]

00:06:45   tiny sliver as it isn't all media of [TS]

00:06:47   really really great japanese animation i [TS]

00:06:50   became much less interested in the more [TS]

00:06:53   sort of schlocky stuff right and i'm [TS]

00:06:55   sure i mean i-i don't wanna say anything [TS]

00:06:57   negative about anime fans because I'm [TS]

00:06:58   sure there's a lot of really cool stuff [TS]

00:07:00   out there but i do get the sense that uh [TS]

00:07:04   it can be well as an outsider I find [TS]

00:07:07   that kind of off-putting right there's [TS]

00:07:09   so much detail and people who know about [TS]

00:07:10   this stuff and and so when I say we're [TS]

00:07:15   spending an hour talking about a [TS]

00:07:16   japanese animation director I know that [TS]

00:07:18   might even come across as being kind of [TS]

00:07:20   like really esoteric and I think that's [TS]

00:07:22   the the primary point i wanted to get [TS]

00:07:25   across in this episode is you know [TS]

00:07:27   Miyazaki's got some stuff that's that's [TS]

00:07:29   more out there but he's got some he's [TS]

00:07:32   he's made some movies especially for [TS]

00:07:34   kids that i would put up against any any [TS]

00:07:38   movie made animated appropriate for [TS]

00:07:42   children in the history of film he you [TS]

00:07:45   know it's it is like you said he's not [TS]

00:07:47   only a master of the anime shandra but [TS]

00:07:50   he somebody who who really transcends it [TS]

00:07:52   and that people who've never seen like [TS]

00:07:53   me who've never been swimming in in [TS]

00:07:56   anime can really appreciate the work [TS]

00:07:58   he's done because it is remarkable some [TS]

00:08:02   of the films are really transcended and [TS]

00:08:04   once you've seen his work you watch [TS]

00:08:06   other movies of his I've been doing it [TS]

00:08:08   winding up you know my research for this [TS]

00:08:10   episode and you will as with a great [TS]

00:08:13   director you begin to see his style [TS]

00:08:16   everywhere it in in his work and his [TS]

00:08:19   influence and other work which is [TS]

00:08:21   actually great so you know don't if you [TS]

00:08:23   haven't seen miyazaki's movies we're [TS]

00:08:24   going to talk about them but you should [TS]

00:08:26   see them they're really good [TS]

00:08:28   yeah and I think that that the the [TS]

00:08:29   strangest of Japanese culture is kind of [TS]

00:08:32   a barrier it it's maybe kind of like [TS]

00:08:34   someone who hasn't read a lot of [TS]

00:08:35   superhero comics and being able to [TS]

00:08:38   appreciate the watchman because the [TS]

00:08:40   watchman is in like a typical superhero [TS]

00:08:41   comic but it really really helps to have [TS]

00:08:43   a background in superhero comics to [TS]

00:08:46   fully appreciated and so you don't get [TS]

00:08:47   like put off by the things that are [TS]

00:08:49   weird but that are not weird if you just [TS]

00:08:52   soaked in superhero comics for four [TS]

00:08:54   decades [TS]

00:08:54   alright so something a lot of people i [TS]

00:08:56   know we'll see Studio Ghibli movie or [TS]

00:08:58   means [TS]

00:08:58   documentary any kind of anime and our [TS]

00:09:01   and can't get past the things they don't [TS]

00:09:02   understand whether the japanese cultural [TS]

00:09:04   things and make things are simply [TS]

00:09:05   different standards and what we think [TS]

00:09:07   it's appropriate to show two children or [TS]

00:09:09   how you should be structured they can't [TS]

00:09:11   get like they're looking at it they're [TS]

00:09:13   expecting it to be like a Disney movie [TS]

00:09:15   or even like a Pixar movie and I would [TS]

00:09:17   say that miyazaki's movies as well see [TS]

00:09:19   when we discuss them are so far from [TS]

00:09:21   being like a Disney movie and they're [TS]

00:09:23   far from being a Pixar movie they do not [TS]

00:09:25   have any interest in the formula for [TS]

00:09:28   american western movies for adults or [TS]

00:09:31   children yeah they are structured [TS]

00:09:32   differently the characters active and [TS]

00:09:34   leave things happen there are different [TS]

00:09:35   and it's sometimes difficult people to [TS]

00:09:38   get a grip on ethnic and sometimes [TS]

00:09:39   things happen [TS]

00:09:40   I mean this is and this is my thought [TS]

00:09:42   while watching spirited away again [TS]

00:09:44   was I my wife and I watched that movie [TS]

00:09:46   and am I turned to her and after this [TS]

00:09:48   one scene which is something i think it [TS]

00:09:51   might have been the vomiting it was [TS]

00:09:52   something was something like that the [TS]

00:09:53   stink spirit that enters the bathhouse I [TS]

00:09:56   think it was the stink spirit and [TS]

00:09:58   everybody's like oh its distinct spirit [TS]

00:10:00   that it's here in the bathhouse and i [TS]

00:10:02   turned my wife and I say of course right [TS]

00:10:04   and and really it's that moment of like [TS]

00:10:06   going with it just like I'm sure that [TS]

00:10:09   there's a reason why this makes sense i [TS]

00:10:12   have no idea what it is [TS]

00:10:13   we'll just go with it you know and I [TS]

00:10:16   love that it's kind of there are plot [TS]

00:10:18   twist that happen in miyazaki movies [TS]

00:10:20   that are that i love because i cannot [TS]

00:10:23   anticipate them because all of my [TS]

00:10:25   programming and as you said all of my [TS]

00:10:28   Hollywood movie plot point programming [TS]

00:10:32   fails and its crew actually it's great [TS]

00:10:36   it's great to go wow I had no idea that [TS]

00:10:39   would happen and you're completely [TS]

00:10:40   unbored from what you realize it's kind [TS]

00:10:43   of track that you've been on your on [TS]

00:10:45   your honor on on the rails and you're [TS]

00:10:48   moving through the plot and then with [TS]

00:10:50   miyazaki realized that that you're not [TS]

00:10:52   it's not really no there is no track [TS]

00:10:55   it's a big open greenfield and you're [TS]

00:10:56   lost in it yeah I i was feel that that [TS]

00:10:58   Westerners get more of a kick out of [TS]

00:11:01   miyazaki than even the Japanese because [TS]

00:11:03   a lot of things that are boring and [TS]

00:11:06   normal and expected in Japanese culture [TS]

00:11:08   are exotic and strange to us [TS]

00:11:10   you're like wow what that how could you [TS]

00:11:11   come up with that idea and it's some [TS]

00:11:12   sort of Japanese tradition for 300 years [TS]

00:11:14   old that everyone in Japan knows about [TS]

00:11:16   and it's not interesting to their eyes [TS]

00:11:17   just like you know what I have all their [TS]

00:11:20   washing the floors by holding little [TS]

00:11:21   things and running with their little [TS]

00:11:22   feet behind it like it's an interesting [TS]

00:11:24   i'm now we came up with that like well [TS]

00:11:26   couple centuries of Japanese culture [TS]

00:11:27   brought that about [TS]

00:11:29   yeah alright so i should be fun we [TS]

00:11:31   should dive into one of ya so that his [TS]

00:11:33   his first feature in the in the studio [TS]

00:11:35   ghibli Cayman is naka of the valley of [TS]

00:11:38   the wind from 1984 which is a nice post [TS]

00:11:44   apocalyptic fantasy patrick stewart is [TS]

00:11:48   the first voice we hear you know you're [TS]

00:11:51   going to talk about the very act of this [TS]

00:11:53   we do ya discussion dubbed vs sub well [TS]

00:11:56   remember a brief moment on this so yes [TS]

00:11:58   we should you watch the dubbed version [TS]

00:12:00   of all these I i did I watched dubbed [TS]

00:12:03   version even though in some cases i had [TS]

00:12:05   access to the subtitled version i am a [TS]

00:12:08   i'm a savage and also many of them i [TS]

00:12:10   watch with my kids and it was really not [TS]

00:12:12   an option to show that the the subtitle [TS]

00:12:14   version so the reason most japanese [TS]

00:12:17   animation fans dislike dub so much is [TS]

00:12:20   that historically the people doing the [TS]

00:12:22   dubbing or not talented and not numerous [TS]

00:12:26   not numbers mean they have like one guy [TS]

00:12:29   three voices in a movie and because they [TS]

00:12:30   didn't really care you read the lines [TS]

00:12:32   try to put something into it whatever we [TS]

00:12:34   could have done after this we could have [TS]

00:12:35   reached the voice of another character [TS]

00:12:37   and had a four-person project [TS]

00:12:39   yeah I call lots and that for the [TS]

00:12:43   miyazaki movies though they were [TS]

00:12:45   acquired by disney and everyone who's an [TS]

00:12:48   animator worships miyazaki of the [TS]

00:12:52   current generation of animators and so [TS]

00:12:54   the deal was structured such that they [TS]

00:12:56   couldn't touch the frame of the movies [TS]

00:12:57   is understanding the content frame of [TS]

00:12:59   the movies right so they couldn't chop [TS]

00:13:00   it up into little pieces and the dubbing [TS]

00:13:03   has been done with basically a-list [TS]

00:13:04   actor so you talk about who who is a [TS]

00:13:06   wife and pull of this page before I [TS]

00:13:08   started this but who is voicing [TS]

00:13:10   not Monica you've got Patrick Stewart [TS]

00:13:12   that's not bad for a voice [TS]

00:13:13   uma Thurman tile above isn't it actually [TS]

00:13:16   chris sarandon from the princess bride [TS]

00:13:18   is an edward james olmos and of course [TS]

00:13:20   mark hamill is the mayor [TS]

00:13:22   yeah its finest Joker from Batman so [TS]

00:13:26   they're not skimping on the voiceovers a [TS]

00:13:28   but that the one the one other reason i [TS]

00:13:31   think most people who are into japanese [TS]

00:13:33   animation won't admit why they like the [TS]

00:13:35   listening to the Japanese is a side if [TS]

00:13:38   they think they like they like learning [TS]

00:13:40   japanese and it's interesting time for [TS]

00:13:41   them to learn a foreign language and [TS]

00:13:42   picking up words and phrases is because [TS]

00:13:44   when I'm Westerners watch a an animated [TS]

00:13:48   movie in Japanese they don't know and [TS]

00:13:51   honestly don't know Japanese they can't [TS]

00:13:53   tell when the acting is terrible and so [TS]

00:13:55   they imagine that the acting and the [TS]

00:13:59   dialogue is much better than it actually [TS]

00:14:00   is [TS]

00:14:01   sometimes it is great and is much better [TS]

00:14:03   in fact almost all the time it is better [TS]

00:14:05   than the dubs but in the ability to do [TS]

00:14:09   not it and it's free because you're like [TS]

00:14:11   well that the line could have been [TS]

00:14:13   delivered terribly but i don't know what [TS]

00:14:14   the worst words just me so I have to [TS]

00:14:16   read the subtitles and then you're at [TS]

00:14:17   the mercy of the person doing the [TS]

00:14:18   subtitling which is also an issue right [TS]

00:14:20   and the second reason is that when [TS]

00:14:21   they've doubled it into English they [TS]

00:14:24   tend to add stuff almost never remove [TS]

00:14:27   the ad stuff and if you should try this [TS]

00:14:29   experiment for a couple sections of the [TS]

00:14:30   movie they will add usually expository [TS]

00:14:33   dialogue that does not exist in the [TS]

00:14:34   movie often when no characters on screen [TS]

00:14:36   because they can't match it up with [TS]

00:14:37   mouth movements because there's no no [TS]

00:14:39   audio here at all and they're putting [TS]

00:14:41   the exposition in there to try to [TS]

00:14:43   explain to American audiences what the [TS]

00:14:45   heck is going on something they wouldn't [TS]

00:14:46   have to explain to Japanese audiences [TS]

00:14:48   like oh this is the temple of whatever [TS]

00:14:50   or this is where the spirits that were [TS]

00:14:51   you know something that's like obvious [TS]

00:14:53   to anyone in Japan and that kind of [TS]

00:14:56   exposition is extremely grading to [TS]

00:14:58   people who are you know it imagine they [TS]

00:15:00   took your favorite movie just added a [TS]

00:15:02   bunch of texts nothing worse than and [TS]

00:15:03   expositions like it's okay just stop [TS]

00:15:05   stop talking we know what this is and [TS]

00:15:06   for someone who watches a lot of [TS]

00:15:08   animation room Japan we know this stuff [TS]

00:15:10   to we don't want those extra lines at [TS]

00:15:12   its all these movies are filled with [TS]

00:15:13   every all the ones that you watching the [TS]

00:15:15   dubs and these are the some of the best [TS]

00:15:16   dubs available anywhere good acting good [TS]

00:15:18   effort generally an effort to be true to [TS]

00:15:21   the spirit of the original lines and not [TS]

00:15:23   a direct translation but anime nerds [TS]

00:15:26   tend to like subtitles literal [TS]

00:15:27   translations know adding of any words [TS]

00:15:29   see I think that's a that's a high bar [TS]

00:15:31   for for watching us that as a you know [TS]

00:15:34   and and normally I would I mean I would [TS]

00:15:35   always choose a in a live-action movie i [TS]

00:15:38   would always choose the the subtitles [TS]

00:15:39   over a dub I i feel like with with [TS]

00:15:43   animation sense there is there's a [TS]

00:15:46   degree of matching of the dialogue but [TS]

00:15:48   you know it isn't it isn't an actor who [TS]

00:15:50   spoke those lines at that time or or is [TS]

00:15:52   looping their lines exactly it is you [TS]

00:15:55   know an animation track that's recorded [TS]

00:15:57   and then the air the audio track and [TS]

00:15:59   then the animation happens so it's a [TS]

00:16:01   little bit artificial so I feel like [TS]

00:16:03   it's not that far removed as a as [TS]

00:16:06   somebody who is not well versed in this [TS]

00:16:07   stuff having those little bits of [TS]

00:16:09   exposition probably helped me understand [TS]

00:16:11   it and also i have to admit the miyazaki [TS]

00:16:13   movies have have generally good dub [TS]

00:16:17   tracks right like you said with with [TS]

00:16:20   good actors and I i would rather watch [TS]

00:16:23   the you know watch the animation then be [TS]

00:16:26   distracted by having to stop looking at [TS]

00:16:29   what's happening on screen in order to [TS]

00:16:30   read and go back and forth that said i [TS]

00:16:33   will probably go back and watch these [TS]

00:16:35   movies it with the subtitles but as a [TS]

00:16:37   first watch I really wanted to just have [TS]

00:16:39   the experience of watching them and and [TS]

00:16:41   not have to read the subtitles to go [TS]

00:16:44   along with it but and if you and if you [TS]

00:16:45   see these things enough times I think [TS]

00:16:47   you'll be shocked to see [TS]

00:16:48   wait isn't a dialogue during this [TS]

00:16:49   section that's long sections long [TS]

00:16:52   sections where there is no dialogue at [TS]

00:16:53   all and it's so weird because very [TS]

00:16:55   rarely in live-action like if you see a [TS]

00:16:57   foreign live-action movie [TS]

00:16:58   very rarely do they insert a bunch of [TS]

00:17:01   English dialogue where there was no no [TS]

00:17:03   lines at all from the actress because [TS]

00:17:05   they happen to be off-screen huh [TS]

00:17:07   interested and it's not eat they do a [TS]

00:17:10   good job in these movies but large [TS]

00:17:12   sections of the movies there is no one [TS]

00:17:13   talking about anything and they just the [TS]

00:17:15   plot advances by them showing pictures [TS]

00:17:16   on the screen so when Master yuba [TS]

00:17:18   emerges from the from the the horrible [TS]

00:17:22   plague and we hear that he's patrick [TS]

00:17:25   stewart or in your version great [TS]

00:17:27   japanese actor Goro nya but I guess [TS]

00:17:30   thank you wikipedia uh-huh [TS]

00:17:32   anyway so that we should we should get [TS]

00:17:35   on with with not [TS]

00:17:36   which is I was surprised by it is this [TS]

00:17:39   apocalyptic adventure story with what is [TS]

00:17:44   that there's this there's this the toxic [TS]

00:17:47   jungle the sea of decay that is [TS]

00:17:48   destroying everything we're in like the [TS]

00:17:50   far future and there's the apocalypse [TS]

00:17:52   and and there's a princess of course [TS]

00:17:55   who's like a fighter princess and I i [TS]

00:17:59   was surprised by this movie I was my [TS]

00:18:01   wife and i watch this without the kids [TS]

00:18:04   it was a it's a it's it's really a crazy [TS]

00:18:08   action movie more than anything else is [TS]

00:18:10   not yet and and think consider this out [TS]

00:18:12   you're saying this is his first movie I [TS]

00:18:13   don't know about his history to say [TS]

00:18:14   whether his first tooth he did movies [TS]

00:18:16   before I think studio ghibli was formed [TS]

00:18:17   proper I think they called consider this [TS]

00:18:19   the first in the cannon right and and it [TS]

00:18:22   really is like especially for someone [TS]

00:18:24   who had seen kiki's delivery service in [TS]

00:18:26   total it's not gonna watch a miyazaki [TS]

00:18:27   movie probably weren't expecting like at [TS]

00:18:31   a blockbuster action movie structured [TS]

00:18:35   pretty conventionally from from the you [TS]

00:18:37   know looking at the whole of his work [TS]

00:18:40   you know it's it is like an action movie [TS]

00:18:43   like where is this coming from is this [TS]

00:18:44   and this is not like he eventually [TS]

00:18:46   developed into making these big giant [TS]

00:18:48   action movies not right out of the gate [TS]

00:18:49   like it you know with his first official [TS]

00:18:51   studio ghibli movie it is it you can [TS]

00:18:55   imagine this as a Hollywood movie only [TS]

00:18:57   of course you wouldn't have a female [TS]

00:18:58   protagonist and the the plot would be [TS]

00:19:01   different but like this threat this this [TS]

00:19:03   post-apocalyptic world this giant [TS]

00:19:05   insects there's battles there's Army's [TS]

00:19:07   all that stuff like where is this the [TS]

00:19:10   guy who made totoro the big floating [TS]

00:19:12   teddy bear thing it's not the same got [TS]

00:19:13   up at the end of the reason I wanted you [TS]

00:19:15   to see this and a couple other ones too [TS]

00:19:17   is that in many respects when I look at [TS]

00:19:20   his work it seems like he's really made [TS]

00:19:23   this exact same movie several time that [TS]

00:19:24   without without with minor variations i [TS]

00:19:27   think just a little bit that you've [TS]

00:19:28   watched you can kinda see that in it [TS]

00:19:30   ok it is and it is a different thread of [TS]

00:19:32   his work he makes these movies that are [TS]

00:19:34   smaller and quieter and quote unquote [TS]

00:19:36   for kids [TS]

00:19:37   this one was like four teenagers and not [TS]

00:19:40   quite a lot smaller explosions there's [TS]

00:19:42   guns there's blood this gut says [TS]

00:19:43   everything [TS]

00:19:44   yeah it's um it it reminded me you're [TS]

00:19:48   right it was very different from the [TS]

00:19:49   movies [TS]

00:19:50   his that I had seen before it didn't put [TS]

00:19:53   me in the mind of the you know extremely [TS]

00:19:56   limited other kinds of Japanese [TS]

00:19:58   animation that I've seen that were more [TS]

00:20:01   of the action variety and I and I [TS]

00:20:03   started to theorize as I was watching it [TS]

00:20:05   you know maybe this is director who kind [TS]

00:20:08   of went in the other direction a little [TS]

00:20:09   bits and sort of like started with [TS]

00:20:11   things that were more the usual subject [TS]

00:20:14   matter and then you know and then kind [TS]

00:20:16   of rebelled and did things that were [TS]

00:20:17   very very different from these kind of [TS]

00:20:19   sci-fi adventure stories but uh you know [TS]

00:20:23   it was fun it was a lot of fun I mean [TS]

00:20:25   there's the the the princess and she's [TS]

00:20:27   got her she's got her like little flying [TS]

00:20:30   machine right wing yeah yeah which is [TS]

00:20:32   pretty cool and there's create the crazy [TS]

00:20:34   giant bugs though move that that just [TS]

00:20:37   kind of like they go on a rampage and [TS]

00:20:39   made you know III they they come out of [TS]

00:20:43   the out of the the jungle and they just [TS]

00:20:46   keep running until you i guess like [TS]

00:20:48   soothe them in some so I so I could be [TS]

00:20:51   soothed admit they're ok strange even [TS]

00:20:54   the subject matter see though it seems [TS]

00:20:56   like to you that it is very similar to [TS]

00:20:58   the typical anime subject matter [TS]

00:21:00   post-apocalyptic world we are weird [TS]

00:21:02   creature is fighting he treats me [TS]

00:21:05   Rockies all of his movies are there's a [TS]

00:21:07   definite flavor to them two totally [TS]

00:21:09   separate them in my mind away from other [TS]

00:21:11   anime and similar subject matter you can [TS]

00:21:13   tell the second just just the way he [TS]

00:21:14   treats the story and the characters and [TS]

00:21:16   and how it's all built on us now but I [TS]

00:21:18   don't think I'm spoiling anything for [TS]

00:21:20   anyone who's an adult is going to watch [TS]

00:21:21   this movie but like that and this this [TS]

00:21:23   is a sequence you see many other things [TS]

00:21:25   where there's an introduction to the [TS]

00:21:26   world and then there's a credit sequence [TS]

00:21:28   and I love his beautiful credit [TS]

00:21:29   sequences where they will usually [TS]

00:21:31   through still images or murals or [TS]

00:21:35   whatever [TS]

00:21:36   show some sort of like and here's the [TS]

00:21:38   world you're entering into and as you [TS]

00:21:39   know the credits roll over this musical [TS]

00:21:41   score and it says like here's this world [TS]

00:21:42   there was a world and then this these [TS]

00:21:45   big Giants came along who have heads the [TS]

00:21:48   top of which shaped like ballistic [TS]

00:21:49   missiles hint hint everybody [TS]

00:21:51   yeah and then the world ends and then [TS]

00:21:54   you know that there's just these legends [TS]

00:21:57   that you know that really show that [TS]

00:21:58   being able to get that is a thing that [TS]

00:22:00   he loves to do and it is pretty [TS]

00:22:01   effective [TS]

00:22:02   and that's kind of like your [TS]

00:22:05   introduction to this world in any the [TS]

00:22:06   entire movie is kind of a lot of his [TS]

00:22:09   movies are like this i have a pretty [TS]

00:22:10   simple message but they're delivered in [TS]

00:22:12   a way that smuggles that message and [TS]

00:22:15   much better than say like Wally like a [TS]

00:22:16   you we should really put the earth like [TS]

00:22:18   this one is basically hey we should [TS]

00:22:20   really put the earth and we shouldn't [TS]

00:22:22   kill each other with nuclear weapons [TS]

00:22:22   beautiful poison yours for generations [TS]

00:22:24   in order but as well as a younger kid [TS]

00:22:27   when I first saw this I was fascinated [TS]

00:22:29   by the sci-fi story like wow that would [TS]

00:22:31   be like if the earth was totally [TS]

00:22:33   wearable totally destroyed it was like [TS]

00:22:34   2,000 years after that reason but you [TS]

00:22:36   know some people are still around how [TS]

00:22:38   would they live it we like medieval it [TS]

00:22:39   was kind of like or where they have [TS]

00:22:41   technology and what kind of creatures [TS]

00:22:44   would be prowling around within this [TS]

00:22:45   world but they do have this you know [TS]

00:22:47   flying message about can't we all just [TS]

00:22:51   get along and don't poison the earth and [TS]

00:22:52   don't be mean to the bugs and stuff like [TS]

00:22:54   that but these characters and and the [TS]

00:22:57   way they live and relate to each other [TS]

00:22:58   in particular the way the protagonist [TS]

00:23:01   like her path through the story is very [TS]

00:23:03   very unlike anything in western movies [TS]

00:23:06   like when you have a princess and a [TS]

00:23:07   western movie she does not follow the [TS]

00:23:10   plot arc this character follows in this [TS]

00:23:13   movie [TS]

00:23:13   definitely not this is the male lead [TS]

00:23:15   role she's a hero [TS]

00:23:17   she fights things she saves people but [TS]

00:23:19   she does it in a way that's not male [TS]

00:23:20   testosterone or whatever she's like [TS]

00:23:22   she's like a pacifist hero like if we [TS]

00:23:24   ever talk about return of the jedi we [TS]

00:23:26   can discuss loser after all that she [TS]

00:23:28   wants to go she finds the baby right she [TS]

00:23:30   saves the babydome yeah that's like [TS]

00:23:31   she's defending and she's helping the [TS]

00:23:33   terrorists home baby yeah yeah and you [TS]

00:23:36   know and cheap she fights but she also [TS]

00:23:38   has you know typically stereotypical [TS]

00:23:40   female sensibilities like I don't kill [TS]

00:23:42   the baby bug you know and it this this [TS]

00:23:45   also will talk about the other movies [TS]

00:23:46   who is the enemy in this movie who is [TS]

00:23:48   the antagonist [TS]

00:23:49   well isn't the i mean it's like the the [TS]

00:23:52   people with the guns right [TS]

00:23:54   basically it's legal it's the soldiers [TS]

00:23:56   in the government [TS]

00:23:57   yeah it's not the Bugs know but they're [TS]

00:24:00   things that kill everybody or whatever [TS]

00:24:02   it's the people fighting each other but [TS]

00:24:03   every person who's fighting each other [TS]

00:24:05   for the most part is given a legitimate [TS]

00:24:07   motivation for doing so who's who's the [TS]

00:24:10   real enemy hear that though the woman [TS]

00:24:11   who was horribly mangled by the insect [TS]

00:24:13   you [TS]

00:24:14   clearly understand her motivation she's [TS]

00:24:15   not a cartoon the the the Sioux City's [TS]

00:24:18   their warring with each other and let [TS]

00:24:19   the bugs over on their own city so they [TS]

00:24:21   can get the enemy there you know what [TS]

00:24:23   everyone has some yeah but you can [TS]

00:24:24   easily we're doing [TS]

00:24:25   you definitely read it is the people in [TS]

00:24:26   the valley are are being invaded by [TS]

00:24:29   these more militaristic people who don't [TS]

00:24:32   you know who don't get it and that's the [TS]

00:24:33   kind of we like why can't we just get [TS]

00:24:35   along and they're the ones who you know [TS]

00:24:37   the bugs do a lot of damage but the bugs [TS]

00:24:39   are kinda egged on by these by the kind [TS]

00:24:42   of militaristic people who invade the [TS]

00:24:44   little peaceful peaceful valley that's [TS]

00:24:46   trying to just get along and survive and [TS]

00:24:48   and and they lose their innocence when [TS]

00:24:51   the giant flying airship thing crashes [TS]

00:24:54   and and no you see it you see another [TS]

00:24:57   princess the other princesses briefly on [TS]

00:24:59   screen what happens to the princess you [TS]

00:25:01   see here briefly she's in Chains and use [TS]

00:25:04   you have you see the main character see [TS]

00:25:06   that she's so badly injured that she's [TS]

00:25:07   going to die and then she dies [TS]

00:25:08   yeah not quite the same type of screen [TS]

00:25:11   treatment that princess to get in disney [TS]

00:25:13   movies no no said you liked this one how [TS]

00:25:16   do you rate this one at this is this was [TS]

00:25:18   the first miyazaki movie I saw I saw it [TS]

00:25:21   when I was very young and I made a huge [TS]

00:25:23   impact on me even after all the anime [TS]

00:25:25   I'd seen I I didn't know enough about [TS]

00:25:27   anything really because there was no [TS]

00:25:29   internet to know what why I like [TS]

00:25:33   japanese animation so much but i but I [TS]

00:25:35   could pick out that among japanese [TS]

00:25:37   animation this one was different i had [TS]

00:25:39   no idea who made it or what it was or [TS]

00:25:40   anything like that i'm like there's [TS]

00:25:42   something different about this one and [TS]

00:25:43   that sensibility I just grabbed onto now [TS]

00:25:46   in his cannon it's not one of my [TS]

00:25:48   favorite favorite movies but there are [TS]

00:25:50   certain aspects of that I really loved [TS]

00:25:52   by a lot of my love anime acid was [TS]

00:25:54   visual design and character design i [TS]

00:25:56   really loved the world that He has [TS]

00:25:57   created there i love the bugs I love the [TS]

00:25:59   wing yeah that that whole that the way [TS]

00:26:01   the airplanes look that stuff goes a [TS]

00:26:03   long way from me just the art and the [TS]

00:26:05   imagining of this place and the plot is [TS]

00:26:08   one of his more conventional plots at [TS]

00:26:10   that he's repeats many different times [TS]

00:26:12   but i still enjoy it and it's and it's [TS]

00:26:15   for some reason I had no problem showing [TS]

00:26:17   this movie to my fairly young kids even [TS]

00:26:20   though it's filled with blood and things [TS]

00:26:21   dying stuff because I think all the [TS]

00:26:23   violence in this movie is handled in a [TS]

00:26:26   way that I think it should be handled [TS]

00:26:27   you know like it's not it's not [TS]

00:26:29   glorified it's not gratuitous there are [TS]

00:26:31   consequences for all of it and the main [TS]

00:26:35   character is against it basically right [TS]

00:26:38   so we should move on to castle in the [TS]

00:26:41   sky which is next [TS]

00:26:44   chronologically yeah 1986 also referred [TS]

00:26:52   to as at what a la la puta por la ayude [TS]

00:26:57   they pronounce it differently than you [TS]

00:26:59   would actually pronounce it and because [TS]

00:27:00   it's I think it's a reference to [TS]

00:27:01   Jonathan Swift yes but then that means [TS]

00:27:05   something really bad and in Spanish [TS]

00:27:07   which is jonathan swift intended but i'm [TS]

00:27:10   not sure [TS]

00:27:11   nice ahi this is the reverse this is [TS]

00:27:14   Western culture get him getting put [TS]

00:27:16   through the grinder then coming back [TS]

00:27:17   it's like a game of telephone yeah it's [TS]

00:27:19   wacky but just a mean castle mr. i [TS]

00:27:22   really liked this 1i I like this a lot [TS]

00:27:24   this is this is a and this one is stuck [TS]

00:27:26   with me longer actually then then the [TS]

00:27:29   nautica did the you know the the the [TS]

00:27:32   there's a while plus there's like [TS]

00:27:34   Zeppelin's right that's true well if you [TS]

00:27:36   think of the opening this movie this is [TS]

00:27:38   nausea go alright take to know it opens [TS]

00:27:41   with the action scene that is a credit [TS]

00:27:43   sequence with music showing a bunch of [TS]

00:27:44   images explaining that how the world got [TS]

00:27:47   to the state you're going to see it and [TS]

00:27:48   then there's this big adventure and you [TS]

00:27:50   know it is very much an adventure movie [TS]

00:27:52   an action movie I and very different [TS]

00:27:57   than the typical kids movies i gave [TS]

00:28:00   think of all the things that happened to [TS]

00:28:01   these kids first of all this the the [TS]

00:28:03   main character parts who it was [TS]

00:28:05   he's living on his own he has no parents [TS]

00:28:07   but that's not that's not a big deal [TS]

00:28:09   it's like yeah of course he's just like [TS]

00:28:10   he's got a job yeah he's working there [TS]

00:28:14   is a princess type character who is more [TS]

00:28:15   of the typical princess type thing but [TS]

00:28:16   one of my favorite that one of the [TS]

00:28:18   things that sticks with in this movie on [TS]

00:28:19   my favorite part is that in the very [TS]

00:28:21   opening you have what's the girl's name [TS]

00:28:24   actually remember [TS]

00:28:25   yeah she that is a escaping from these [TS]

00:28:27   people who look like a fairy's [TS]

00:28:29   government people whatever inches on the [TS]

00:28:30   outside of this thing i think was an [TS]

00:28:31   airship wasn't it yes well it's yeah [TS]

00:28:33   it's an airship alright and she's and [TS]

00:28:35   they're trying to get her whatever and [TS]

00:28:37   chief she slips and falls supposed to [TS]

00:28:39   presumably to read it properly [TS]

00:28:41   your death then they roll the credits [TS]

00:28:42   and the credits show you know that [TS]

00:28:44   people made this technology that made [TS]

00:28:45   these floating things makes loads than [TS]

00:28:46   all the Crashdown the people came out [TS]

00:28:48   and they're back to being farmers right [TS]

00:28:50   so after that Christ sequences first of [TS]

00:28:52   all the shocking thing of like here's [TS]

00:28:53   our princess girl very important [TS]

00:28:55   she's falling to her death that's how [TS]

00:28:56   you open a kids movie right and and we [TS]

00:28:59   haven't been introduced any characters [TS]

00:29:00   that are going to swoop in and save her [TS]

00:29:02   halfway there is no like Superman it's [TS]

00:29:03   not a Superman movie there's no [TS]

00:29:05   assumption that she's going to live [TS]

00:29:06   after the credits over what did they cut [TS]

00:29:08   back to the girl she's still falling [TS]

00:29:10   just in case you're wondering if he's [TS]

00:29:11   unconscious she's falling to her death [TS]

00:29:12   let's follow her now with the camera as [TS]

00:29:14   she falls through death which is [TS]

00:29:15   unbelievably audacious I think too i [TS]

00:29:18   mean even an action movie you wouldn't [TS]

00:29:20   roll the credits and then now in [TS]

00:29:22   progress we just we don't want her to [TS]

00:29:24   die off camera even in what is that [TS]

00:29:25   movie The Good Shepherd where they throw [TS]

00:29:27   the woman out of the plane with her [TS]

00:29:29   bride bridal soon on sorry if I spoiled [TS]

00:29:30   that for anybody [TS]

00:29:32   they don't show her falling like that [TS]

00:29:34   you see her from the plane audio soon [TS]

00:29:36   well she's going to Dinah they cut back [TS]

00:29:38   to and the girls still falling to her [TS]

00:29:39   death and she's unconscious and she's [TS]

00:29:41   going headfirst and here she is [TS]

00:29:42   and of course you know she doesn't [TS]

00:29:43   actually died but house is how the rest [TS]

00:29:45   of the week was out that's an amazing [TS]

00:29:46   amazing sequence that I could never [TS]

00:29:49   imagine a Western director doing the [TS]

00:29:51   rest of the movie much more conventional [TS]

00:29:53   except for perhaps if you watch the [TS]

00:29:55   original you know if you watch the [TS]

00:29:57   japanese version of how the the pirate [TS]

00:30:00   mother isn't everything that all sorts [TS]

00:30:02   of inappropriate strange maybe it was [TS]

00:30:03   also because it was the eighties non-pc [TS]

00:30:06   interactions of that group of pirates [TS]

00:30:08   that's what I i read i'm on wikipedia [TS]

00:30:10   although what I wanted to say is there's [TS]

00:30:12   actually something else very funny that [TS]

00:30:13   happens in the opening of castle in the [TS]

00:30:15   sky which is that you've got the pirate [TS]

00:30:18   it's a pirate attack on the airship and [TS]

00:30:21   you think the Pirates are bad except [TS]

00:30:23   she's actually being held captive it [TS]

00:30:27   turns out by the people who are on the [TS]

00:30:30   airship she doesn't like them either but [TS]

00:30:33   your setup to feel like you this pirate [TS]

00:30:35   attack and they're trying to grab her [TS]

00:30:36   her her jewel and then she falls to her [TS]

00:30:40   death and you're thinking those pirates [TS]

00:30:41   are bad was about those are bad pirates [TS]

00:30:43   are bad guys which is totally not true [TS]

00:30:46   well is it then don't they never have [TS]

00:30:48   the scene where it's like okay I return [TS]

00:30:50   ice got like the Pirates still have [TS]

00:30:51   their mercenary motivation hallway [TS]

00:30:53   through their true [TS]

00:30:54   themselves that there isn't but their [TS]

00:30:55   honor when pirates yeah kind of [TS]

00:30:58   honorable but also kind of shady and not [TS]

00:31:00   really fuzzy and kind of like all sharks [TS]

00:31:02   we all love you pirates you know it's [TS]

00:31:04   clear who's on different teams and the [TS]

00:31:07   government guys is the most people can [TS]

00:31:08   surprise you want to take over the world [TS]

00:31:09   with this super powerful weapon or [TS]

00:31:11   whatever but you know no one is is [TS]

00:31:15   they're not bending over backwards to [TS]

00:31:16   make anyone cuddly right now the leader [TS]

00:31:18   of the Pirates is still graph the whole [TS]

00:31:20   way through and pods and innocent little [TS]

00:31:23   boy he is the whole way through yeah [TS]

00:31:24   this is this is very not a lot of [TS]

00:31:26   character development this movie much [TS]

00:31:28   more of an action rollercoaster I think [TS]

00:31:30   now it goes a stronger movie just [TS]

00:31:32   because there are character arcs and [TS]

00:31:34   people you know do it's the how they are [TS]

00:31:38   starting the movie the things they [TS]

00:31:39   thought they were capable of doing [TS]

00:31:41   by the end of the movie they've grown [TS]

00:31:43   whereas in this movie know they kind of [TS]

00:31:45   going and eventually discover [TS]

00:31:46   interesting things and and eventually [TS]

00:31:48   tried to help of others but it but it's [TS]

00:31:50   a great adventure though but you're [TS]

00:31:51   right as much of a story of a character [TS]

00:31:53   arc i love the robot in your robot [TS]

00:31:56   orgasm is too that's again the character [TS]

00:31:58   design and just the way you know because [TS]

00:32:00   that's that [TS]

00:32:01   that is some amazing stuff there is just [TS]

00:32:03   sort of this mournful incredibly [TS]

00:32:05   powerful strange-looking thing my kids [TS]

00:32:07   were very affected by the fact when we [TS]

00:32:09   meet the first robot which is there to [TS]

00:32:10   protect her and it does protect her and [TS]

00:32:12   it dies it's destroyed [TS]

00:32:14   although it is it guys several times [TS]

00:32:16   because it keeps coming back to life and [TS]

00:32:18   getting destroyed even more brutally [TS]

00:32:21   until it's finally completely destroyed [TS]

00:32:22   and I am my son was very sad that the [TS]

00:32:25   robot died because the no I like that [TS]

00:32:27   robot and is very he was very sad when [TS]

00:32:29   the robot that fortunately they made [TS]

00:32:30   many more of that terrible [TS]

00:32:32   that's the thing with robots into my [TS]

00:32:34   daughter for the lot was very effective [TS]

00:32:35   but it probably showed this movie to her [TS]

00:32:37   when she was too young but she for the [TS]

00:32:38   longest time called this the robot movie [TS]

00:32:40   that was the new school shoes concern i [TS]

00:32:42   can see that room wanna see the robot [TS]

00:32:44   movie what we talked about these movies [TS]

00:32:45   with my kids and I were watching ponyo [TS]

00:32:48   and and my son made reference to the one [TS]

00:32:51   with a robot so it is just like every [TS]

00:32:54   featured in this movie like it's not [TS]

00:32:56   it's not in many seasons are no but it's [TS]

00:32:58   such a great-looking character and of [TS]

00:33:01   course it behaves honorably and is is [TS]

00:33:03   it's very heroic and trying to protect [TS]

00:33:05   the other characters [TS]

00:33:07   from preserve the monarch yeah clapping [TS]

00:33:10   a class system is accepted and it's [TS]

00:33:12   moving don't know royalty [TS]

00:33:14   he's like yes he's the he's the [TS]

00:33:15   protector of the of the royalty of the [TS]

00:33:17   of the floating city but I i love the [TS]

00:33:20   yeah I love that robot look really great [TS]

00:33:23   great-looking robot and I don't know I [TS]

00:33:25   assume that it was an least partly an [TS]

00:33:29   inspiration for the iron giant it may [TS]

00:33:32   seem to have something in common i know [TS]

00:33:33   that there was a book about the the book [TS]

00:33:35   that the Iron Giant is based on was done [TS]

00:33:37   in the sixties and I don't know if [TS]

00:33:39   there's any relationship there but but [TS]

00:33:41   when i see that with a robot and castle [TS]

00:33:42   in the sky I that's immediately / god is [TS]

00:33:45   that was very iron giant it's gotta be I [TS]

00:33:49   mean he was not intentional just it's in [TS]

00:33:50   it's in the water for the the animators [TS]

00:33:52   of this generation [TS]

00:33:53   yeah just did you felt like a very [TS]

00:33:55   similar kind of really cool apparently [TS]

00:33:57   on the the roof of the studio ghibli [TS]

00:34:00   museum or whatever it is [TS]

00:34:02   in Japan there say there's one of these [TS]

00:34:04   guys is a robot now it's not protected [TS]

00:34:07   yeah that's good big brother on the roof [TS]

00:34:09   but it but I like this i have I thought [TS]

00:34:12   it was a lot of fun it's just a really [TS]

00:34:13   fun adventure and and I thought pretty [TS]

00:34:16   well paced I didn't feel like it it had [TS]

00:34:20   dragged at the end or anything I mean [TS]

00:34:21   they got this crazy adventure inside the [TS]

00:34:23   floating city where we just at one point [TS]

00:34:26   is like falling apart and you know [TS]

00:34:28   there's all this high-flying action [TS]

00:34:30   because they've got you know it's all [TS]

00:34:32   happening in the air and their the [TS]

00:34:33   various airships and and although you're [TS]

00:34:36   right i mean we have five flying action [TS]

00:34:38   in Nazca to yeah i think this movie [TS]

00:34:42   could wait forever Western director or [TS]

00:34:44   studio did this they would have [TS]

00:34:44   tightened it up there's a lot of like [TS]

00:34:46   it's just gloriously flabby just [TS]

00:34:48   everything is everyone gonna have a [TS]

00:34:49   train scene we're gonna have this fight [TS]

00:34:51   we're gonna have people you know chasing [TS]

00:34:53   each other through kathy had a robot is [TS]

00:34:54   destroying we're going you know [TS]

00:34:55   yeah it's how much that they're like all [TS]

00:34:57   right could we tighten this up maybe [TS]

00:34:59   have an ARCA story here is really the [TS]

00:35:00   story of like discovery of this the [TS]

00:35:03   castle in the sky and her favorite [TS]

00:35:04   people going after the jewel but there's [TS]

00:35:06   just so much like we can do everything [TS]

00:35:07   to do yet stupid a scene with the tree [TS]

00:35:10   which is a great the train stuff is [TS]

00:35:11   great but you're right it's like okay [TS]

00:35:13   it's everything I didn't actually mean [TS]

00:35:15   yeah that this movie I don't know it [TS]

00:35:19   should have been tightened up but it [TS]

00:35:20   would [TS]

00:35:21   been tightened up I think it came out of [TS]

00:35:22   Westminster but here you know they just [TS]

00:35:25   said this is what he wants we're going [TS]

00:35:26   to go with it and it's just kind of a a [TS]

00:35:27   a giant fun ride [TS]

00:35:30   well let's let's move onto 1988 and I [TS]

00:35:34   the movie that i assume is it's got to [TS]

00:35:38   be the most famous and most loved of his [TS]

00:35:41   movies which is my neighbor totoro among [TS]

00:35:45   Westerners maybe yeah wasn't this i [TS]

00:35:48   thought this was like one of the biggest [TS]

00:35:49   grossing movies involving all those 10 [TS]

00:35:52   came out it was the biggest grossing [TS]

00:35:54   movie spirited away came out it was the [TS]

00:35:55   reason your hand alright so i think [TS]

00:35:57   there's generally blood in Japan but [TS]

00:35:58   yeah because it has something you can [TS]

00:36:00   make into a stuffed animal i think yes [TS]

00:36:01   it is under there are many totoro [TS]

00:36:04   stuffed animals so my neighbor totoro is [TS]

00:36:08   one of those two movies that I that I'm [TS]

00:36:09   i mentioned earlier that I that I just [TS]

00:36:12   love of his and one of the things i love [TS]

00:36:17   about this movie and kiki's delivery [TS]

00:36:18   service which we can talk about in a [TS]

00:36:21   little bit because that's the next one [TS]

00:36:22   up one of the things I love about these [TS]

00:36:25   movies is that you've talked about ways [TS]

00:36:28   that you wouldn't structure something if [TS]

00:36:29   you were making a western movie for [TS]

00:36:31   being a hollywood movie who is the [TS]

00:36:34   antagonist in my I would go from 0 to [TS]

00:36:40   what is the plot of this movie [TS]

00:36:41   what is the plot of the plot of this [TS]

00:36:43   movie is that girls have moved into a [TS]

00:36:45   house because and their mother is sick [TS]

00:36:48   and a hospital and their dad has to [TS]

00:36:53   commute and they feel lonely and they [TS]

00:36:55   want their mother to come home which is [TS]

00:36:58   it about a plot like it to imagine if [TS]

00:37:00   you have to write like the two sentence [TS]

00:37:01   thing that used to fit in like the TV [TS]

00:37:02   listings and taking yakety want to get [TS]

00:37:04   out of the three sentences [TS]

00:37:05   what's the three sentences or two [TS]

00:37:07   sentences for total you can't do it [TS]

00:37:08   you're like a giant creature be friends [TS]

00:37:10   and like that's not what it's about yeah [TS]

00:37:11   like you can't there's nothing you could [TS]

00:37:13   write for this and that [TS]

00:37:15   that's what what's so wonderful about [TS]

00:37:16   this movie yeah I it [TS]

00:37:19   totoro is probably it's it's close we [TS]

00:37:23   can keep toner which is my favorite [TS]

00:37:25   miyazaki movie which is probably [TS]

00:37:27   surprising to someone who looks at the [TS]

00:37:28   camera like Shirley like two big action [TS]

00:37:30   movies or princess mononoke or which is [TS]

00:37:32   like the fifth attempt to redo nas ago [TS]

00:37:34   you know it says it happened it's not [TS]

00:37:36   these movies [TS]

00:37:38   ya have someting those other ones don't [TS]

00:37:39   because that they everything maybe it's [TS]

00:37:42   common in Japanese stuff i don't know [TS]

00:37:43   enough about culture this is common but [TS]

00:37:44   what what this movie is about when kids [TS]

00:37:47   watching what it's about is a big fuzzy [TS]

00:37:48   magic creature [TS]

00:37:49   yes that does hilarious things that's [TS]

00:37:50   crazy cat buses even kids recognize this [TS]

00:37:53   is nuts right and it's just it's wacky [TS]

00:37:55   everything that some wacky think it's [TS]

00:37:57   like a Looney Tunes cartoon like they're [TS]

00:37:59   in the house you're looking around these [TS]

00:38:00   weird things in the house is something [TS]

00:38:02   in the forest they have a bath it's [TS]

00:38:03   windy outside what you know what [TS]

00:38:05   but the kids are like poop you know that [TS]

00:38:07   if you show this to most adults are [TS]

00:38:10   teens are like what the house is some [TS]

00:38:11   sort of Stuart stupid kids me or [TS]

00:38:13   whatever but if you watch it and it like [TS]

00:38:16   it connects with you which is definitely [TS]

00:38:17   connected with me and you think about [TS]

00:38:18   what the movie is actually about you [TS]

00:38:20   I think that obviously connected with [TS]

00:38:21   you because you were getting closer to [TS]

00:38:22   like this movie is about kids who have a [TS]

00:38:26   sick mother [TS]

00:38:26   yes right no the antagonist in this [TS]

00:38:29   movie is their mother's illness that's [TS]

00:38:31   really yet but they do not like a no [TS]

00:38:34   point did they say like it's not if you [TS]

00:38:37   made a movie about kids have a second [TS]

00:38:38   mother first you'd never make that movie [TS]

00:38:39   I don't like a Disney types that you [TS]

00:38:40   never get kids more like the whole point [TS]

00:38:42   of the movies like live-action my mother [TS]

00:38:44   is sick i'm sad and we've just been [TS]

00:38:46   talking about how your mother is sick [TS]

00:38:48   and you're upset but that's not how [TS]

00:38:49   children work they don't relate to their [TS]

00:38:52   feelings or things that are especially [TS]

00:38:54   kids this age movie you know they don't [TS]

00:38:56   relate to their situation in life in the [TS]

00:38:58   way they would like it now a very [TS]

00:38:59   special movie or 10 mins mother is so [TS]

00:39:01   good at talking to tell me about they [TS]

00:39:03   relate to it in a very very different [TS]

00:39:05   way and this is something i get into [TS]

00:39:06   with adults who watch this movie they [TS]

00:39:08   say so what is like what is going on [TS]

00:39:12   here and that is the real world or is [TS]

00:39:14   totoro like magic why doesn't total help [TS]

00:39:17   make their their mother better as total [TS]

00:39:19   really there or is he just in the kids [TS]

00:39:21   imagination at and like how do I like if [TS]

00:39:26   the kids are just kids imagination has [TS]

00:39:27   total help them find the kit but they it [TS]

00:39:30   blows their mind but this is a perfect [TS]

00:39:32   representation of the world the kids [TS]

00:39:33   inhabit because the stress of having a [TS]

00:39:35   sick mother and that like it manifests [TS]

00:39:39   in children in very strange ways and [TS]

00:39:41   it's not talked about it is not [TS]

00:39:43   intellectualized and sort of discussed [TS]

00:39:46   as a thing [TS]

00:39:47   they go through their life hopefully [TS]

00:39:49   with a loving parent which they have in [TS]

00:39:50   this movie and this stuff just finds its [TS]

00:39:53   way out in two different places with [TS]

00:39:55   Toto sometimes scary but also sometimes [TS]

00:39:58   comforting and sometimes helps them you [TS]

00:39:59   know it get over things and and in the [TS]

00:40:01   end with me running off try to go to her [TS]

00:40:04   mother and getting lost that as a real [TS]

00:40:06   things happen in the real world which by [TS]

00:40:07   the way that's one of my favorite scenes [TS]

00:40:08   from the movie that they're looking for [TS]

00:40:11   majors a what if you like three in the [TS]

00:40:12   movie or something she's lost and there [TS]

00:40:14   are people in the rice paddy things with [TS]

00:40:17   sticks waving the sticks around you [TS]

00:40:19   don't find live children with sticks in [TS]

00:40:22   water you know that's not what they and [TS]

00:40:24   they find that they find a shoe and they [TS]

00:40:25   think it might be hers and they think [TS]

00:40:26   that she's drowned [TS]

00:40:28   yeah and and this is that the plot of [TS]

00:40:29   the movie girls second they find her [TS]

00:40:31   know this is just these children's life [TS]

00:40:33   it during a period of uncertainty about [TS]

00:40:35   something that should be certain and [TS]

00:40:37   everything you see the happen whether [TS]

00:40:40   you decide that it's a real or it's not [TS]

00:40:41   real is if you know this is this is what [TS]

00:40:44   it's like to be a kid with the sick [TS]

00:40:45   mother and it's really strange to say [TS]

00:40:48   that a movie about what it's like to be [TS]

00:40:49   good with the second mother has to [TS]

00:40:50   involve giant magical fuzzy creatures [TS]

00:40:52   and floating things and cat buses and [TS]

00:40:53   but it really it really should it really [TS]

00:40:55   does let mixture of be you know it's the [TS]

00:40:58   it's the it's a fairytale on one level [TS]

00:41:00   and kids are the ones who we tell fairy [TS]

00:41:04   tales 2 i'm on another level it's I mean [TS]

00:41:06   really the plot of this movie is that [TS]

00:41:10   these girls lives change that because [TS]

00:41:12   their mother is sick they have to move [TS]

00:41:13   out to the country and their dad has to [TS]

00:41:15   be a way because he has to take the bus [TS]

00:41:18   to the University and it's a long way [TS]

00:41:22   off and so they have to have a new house [TS]

00:41:23   and they have a new school and they have [TS]

00:41:26   this big tree outside their window the [TS]

00:41:28   very things out there and yeah it's kind [TS]

00:41:32   of scary but kind of fun at the same [TS]

00:41:33   time like it you everything warning if [TS]

00:41:36   you can connect to your own childhood [TS]

00:41:37   memories are feelings you have from back [TS]

00:41:39   and this is kind of what it's like [TS]

00:41:40   they're everything is kind of scary and [TS]

00:41:42   kind of fun and kind of uncertainty and [TS]

00:41:43   nothing makes sense to you and you don't [TS]

00:41:45   know why things are happening and then [TS]

00:41:46   your melody of magic right and you're on [TS]

00:41:48   your imagination blends with reality in [TS]

00:41:51   the seamless like this like it's a [TS]

00:41:53   continuum it's not like well here's the [TS]

00:41:54   real world news imagination it's all [TS]

00:41:56   it's all one thing well I said it's such [TS]

00:41:59   a charming movie I mean it [TS]

00:42:01   is and it's not just the cute fuzzy [TS]

00:42:03   creatures although they are incredibly [TS]

00:42:06   cute and incredibly fuzzy but but it you [TS]

00:42:10   know the dad is a great character and [TS]

00:42:12   he's being you can see in his scenes [TS]

00:42:15   that he's being he's obviously troubled [TS]

00:42:18   about his and his wife sickness but he's [TS]

00:42:19   being as good a father as he can be [TS]

00:42:21   and.and but he's struggling because he's [TS]

00:42:23   also got a got a commute night when that [TS]

00:42:25   the opening scenes when they're opening [TS]

00:42:27   up the house for the first time in the [TS]

00:42:28   girls are exploring and he's encouraging [TS]

00:42:30   of them and and yet it's also it's also [TS]

00:42:33   all very funny because you can see that [TS]

00:42:35   he's got a dry sense of humor and they [TS]

00:42:37   don't necessarily get that he's being [TS]

00:42:38   funny but he's actually being really [TS]

00:42:40   funny and then there's the little boy [TS]

00:42:42   who is seems standoffish but is actually [TS]

00:42:45   it's actually adorable and and be the [TS]

00:42:49   scenes with the little boy in the [TS]

00:42:50   umbrella stand for for people who don't [TS]

00:42:53   have kids too i'm at i guess they might [TS]

00:42:55   think that the good little boys a good [TS]

00:42:57   example that uh that he doesn't act like [TS]

00:43:00   little boys act in typical movies if you [TS]

00:43:02   had a neighbor boy was like spunky but [TS]

00:43:03   really was you know like the girl or [TS]

00:43:05   whatever like the people write dialogue [TS]

00:43:07   for kids as if there if not adults that [TS]

00:43:09   at least like preteens or something [TS]

00:43:11   this boy that sees the girl who was [TS]

00:43:15   caught in a rainstorm watched offers [TS]

00:43:16   umbrella as a scowl on his face James [TS]

00:43:19   the umbrella of a single huh huh I'm [TS]

00:43:22   just make grunting noises you're like oh [TS]

00:43:23   come on what kind of kid make if you [TS]

00:43:25   have a boy that age [TS]

00:43:27   this is the epitome of communication for [TS]

00:43:29   them because they don't know how do they [TS]

00:43:30   don't they don't they're not going to [TS]

00:43:31   chat up the they don't have a way to [TS]

00:43:34   express this at all and so you see this [TS]

00:43:35   grumpy boy jamming this thing in her and [TS]

00:43:37   then he runs off with a smile on his [TS]

00:43:38   face [TS]

00:43:39   that's what kids that age do they're not [TS]

00:43:41   adults and and also like so that happens [TS]

00:43:43   but that's not the point of the movie [TS]

00:43:45   it's not a love story between his two [TS]

00:43:47   little kids they're just little kids [TS]

00:43:48   leaving their lives in the way the [TS]

00:43:49   little kids do that one precocious kid [TS]

00:43:51   in the movie [TS]

00:43:52   Watsky who is kind of our you know here [TS]

00:43:55   or whatever sure even even she has the [TS]

00:43:57   moment of like you know there is one of [TS]

00:43:58   my favorite things than we were [TS]

00:43:59   she's looking for her little sister and [TS]

00:44:01   the sun is setting which they indicate [TS]

00:44:04   just with a little bit of you know [TS]

00:44:05   changing the lighting of everything [TS]

00:44:07   nobody exposition about we must find her [TS]

00:44:09   before dark because if the darkness [TS]

00:44:10   comes in but no she's she's running her [TS]

00:44:13   feet are dirty she takes over [TS]

00:44:14   shoes and she's panicked find your [TS]

00:44:16   sister and they don't know where she's [TS]

00:44:17   anywhere at that point your panic too [TS]

00:44:19   right yeah if you're if you're invested [TS]

00:44:20   in the movie I every every part of this [TS]

00:44:24   movie I just connects with me if it [TS]

00:44:26   doesn't connect with you it might seem [TS]

00:44:27   like we're talking nonsense you're gonna [TS]

00:44:28   watch this movie and say this is this [TS]

00:44:30   movie they love if it connects with you [TS]

00:44:32   what we did say up front that that [TS]

00:44:35   nothing happens and over at least it has [TS]

00:44:37   no plot to speak of and there's not [TS]

00:44:39   really any conflict and it's just sort [TS]

00:44:41   of a story about some girls whose mom [TS]

00:44:44   attic and they're learning about where [TS]

00:44:46   they live and also there are some [TS]

00:44:47   magical creatures who are adorable and [TS]

00:44:49   that give an umbrella to one of them so [TS]

00:44:53   what do you choose to blow actually two [TS]

00:44:55   things that's before I get that what you [TS]

00:44:56   choose on but this is one of the things [TS]

00:44:59   where the dub i think make some jokes [TS]

00:45:01   that I'm glad they they change from the [TS]

00:45:05   original or whatever like the voice [TS]

00:45:06   acting with us and everything looks a [TS]

00:45:08   little global picture of like a maze [TS]

00:45:11   doing whatever it's making her crabby [TS]

00:45:13   here's a picture of me as a crab [TS]

00:45:14   oh yeah Michael lines like that they [TS]

00:45:16   crack me up or or the one she was creepy [TS]

00:45:19   that's kind of you know those are jokes [TS]

00:45:21   made in in the dub that either are [TS]

00:45:24   written differently or land differently [TS]

00:45:26   in the subtitle versions and since I've [TS]

00:45:28   seen the double design times because I [TS]

00:45:29   kids can't read subtitles or couldn't [TS]

00:45:30   when they were watching this I like most [TS]

00:45:34   access to this dub even though some of [TS]

00:45:35   the voices are grading and some of the [TS]

00:45:37   things they do or a little bit you know [TS]

00:45:38   weird i don't want to ask is what is [TS]

00:45:41   your take on the on the movie is what [TS]

00:45:44   happens in the movies total a real [TS]

00:45:45   distro take them to see their mother [TS]

00:45:48   Oh or is he entirely a figment of your [TS]

00:45:50   imagination well i think i think it's in [TS]

00:45:54   this this is intentionally left it is it [TS]

00:45:57   is i'm just asking lat where are you [TS]

00:45:59   well i mean i think that's the beauty of [TS]

00:46:00   I mean I i guess i would argue that if [TS]

00:46:02   that in the end when they'll win the the [TS]

00:46:06   messages left for on the windowsill for [TS]

00:46:09   their mom that they couldn't have gotten [TS]

00:46:11   there by any other means and so [TS]

00:46:13   therefore total really took them there [TS]

00:46:15   if you really are looking for any [TS]

00:46:17   evidence but in the end it doesn't [TS]

00:46:19   really matter right it's just like the [TS]

00:46:20   way that the scene where they have a [TS]

00:46:21   giant tree grows out in the backyard [TS]

00:46:23   because it's just enormous in the [TS]

00:46:25   backyard and and they wake up the net [TS]

00:46:28   extend their dad is sitting there the [TS]

00:46:29   whole time and he doesn't notice [TS]

00:46:30   anything and they wake up the next day [TS]

00:46:32   and it's gone and you think haha see [TS]

00:46:34   nothing really happened but the things [TS]

00:46:36   they planted sprout over threat so you [TS]

00:46:39   know was it something maybe did happen [TS]

00:46:42   it just wasn't the big thing that they [TS]

00:46:44   that we saw that you know or that was [TS]

00:46:47   all that in the end was left after after [TS]

00:46:50   this kind of dream that they that they [TS]

00:46:53   all had or the solution or whatever it [TS]

00:46:55   was or magic with with totoro but you [TS]

00:46:57   know in the end does it doesn't matter [TS]

00:46:59   but the fact that they you know that [TS]

00:47:01   they left a little a little message for [TS]

00:47:03   their mom on the windowsill how else [TS]

00:47:05   would have gotten there yet the Western [TS]

00:47:08   audiences always wanted always wanted to [TS]

00:47:09   have included in different you know it [TS]

00:47:11   doesn't matter i also want to say I have [TS]

00:47:13   beautiful this movie is that pit the the [TS]

00:47:14   just the pictures of the Japanese [TS]

00:47:16   countryside it is i love i love it just [TS]

00:47:20   for that it now looks so good and like [TS]

00:47:24   the house like it's exotic to us because [TS]

00:47:25   we don't know what Japanese right tubs [TS]

00:47:27   look like from whatever year this was [TS]

00:47:29   supposed to look like and just get their [TS]

00:47:31   enable screens and yeah he obviously [TS]

00:47:34   loves nature and he loves putting lots [TS]

00:47:35   of our stuff and the people who do the [TS]

00:47:37   enemy and whether Mr that's a big [TS]

00:47:39   weather guy [TS]

00:47:39   yeah miyazaki is yeah I as we're going [TS]

00:47:42   to get to anything more about 20 before [TS]

00:47:44   we move the key [TS]

00:47:45   I don't think I've reason i ask you [TS]

00:47:47   about whether you thought he was really [TS]

00:47:49   notice because that's the type of thing [TS]

00:47:50   that Western audiences demand out of [TS]

00:47:52   their movies yeah well so is he real or [TS]

00:47:54   not we have to know and the little the [TS]

00:47:56   corn you know thing at the end seems [TS]

00:47:58   like he's leaning that direction but [TS]

00:48:01   it's not a conclusive no type of thing [TS]

00:48:03   and the whole point of the movie is that [TS]

00:48:05   to children's lives [TS]

00:48:07   this is all of a piece there's no [TS]

00:48:08   separation because they have no they [TS]

00:48:11   haven't settled things down like that [TS]

00:48:12   imagination is reality is imagination [TS]

00:48:14   right [TS]

00:48:14   emotion is manifestation in other sorts [TS]

00:48:17   of ways that's totally seemingly [TS]

00:48:19   unrelated to an outside observer the [TS]

00:48:20   thing they're actually upset about and [TS]

00:48:22   it's clear from the movie is a thing i [TS]

00:48:23   like about the parent the parent you [TS]

00:48:25   know that the two parents except for the [TS]

00:48:29   little thing did you see a gigantic cat [TS]

00:48:30   with a humongous claws and teeth in that [TS]

00:48:32   tree a second ago [TS]

00:48:33   now you know that's a little knot at the [TS]

00:48:36   end there but in general for the whole [TS]

00:48:37   rest of the movie they pay no attention [TS]

00:48:39   to what these crazy kids are doing [TS]

00:48:41   yeah it's great it's it's great I I it [TS]

00:48:45   doesn't matter might my son my son is [TS]

00:48:48   seven and it's reading calvin and hobbes [TS]

00:48:50   who discovered Calvin and Hobbes and [TS]

00:48:52   this this I think is very comfortable to [TS]

00:48:56   what you just said which is he thinks [TS]

00:49:00   calvin and hobbes is a story about a boy [TS]

00:49:03   with a magic tiger who only turns real [TS]

00:49:07   when nobody's looking [TS]

00:49:09   yeah but of course the rest of us would [TS]

00:49:11   view it as a boy who has an imagination [TS]

00:49:14   and he makes his stuff tiger he believes [TS]

00:49:17   his stuff tiger is real and has [TS]

00:49:18   conversations with him but to my [TS]

00:49:20   seven-year-old son [TS]

00:49:21   no it's a magic tiger who you can only [TS]

00:49:24   see like snuffleupagus right he's only [TS]

00:49:26   he can only move when nobody else is [TS]

00:49:28   looking except Calvin well he's like the [TS]

00:49:30   weeping angels yes slightly less Hobbs [TS]

00:49:34   is slightly less thread by murderous in [TS]

00:49:36   the weeping angels but yes and to Calvin [TS]

00:49:39   he's a boy with a real tiger like [TS]

00:49:41   California has no account doesn't think [TS]

00:49:43   it's just that one is far as columns her [TS]

00:49:45   psyche as real as parents [TS]

00:49:47   yeah his parents yes and more agreeable [TS]

00:49:51   sometimes so let's move onto I believe [TS]

00:49:54   the next year in 1989 kiki's delivery [TS]

00:49:56   service which I actually I i would say [TS]

00:50:01   this is my favorite of his movies and [TS]

00:50:04   this has more of a plot [TS]

00:50:06   yeah and more sophisticated than total [TS]

00:50:09   refrigerant boil it still doesn't really [TS]

00:50:12   have an antagonist somebody asked me [TS]

00:50:14   okay who's the bad guy in kiki's [TS]

00:50:16   delivery service i have two answers [TS]

00:50:18   there's a mean girl at one point who [TS]

00:50:20   says something mean but she has nothing [TS]

00:50:22   to do with the plot there is nothing out [TS]

00:50:25   the antagonist and there are many people [TS]

00:50:26   who are graphing mean write it and but [TS]

00:50:29   don't know it [TS]

00:50:30   bear with me for a second i think the [TS]

00:50:32   antagonist kiki's delivery service is [TS]

00:50:34   the wind there's a strong wind that [TS]

00:50:38   causes trouble late in the movie that's [TS]

00:50:40   it folks [TS]

00:50:41   seriously these winds during the summer [TS]

00:50:43   it's the wind the wind is the worst the [TS]

00:50:46   wind is the enemy in this movie and it's [TS]

00:50:48   not that strong and then what [TS]

00:50:50   but it's not just want to get it there [TS]

00:50:52   are scenes with the wind in it but [TS]

00:50:53   I guess I think I've said this on past [TS]

00:50:54   fog podcast the the antagonism kiki's [TS]

00:50:57   delivery service is life not gonna life [TS]

00:50:59   happens that's not what the movies about [TS]

00:51:01   and what the wind could be a problem in [TS]

00:51:03   life to it you know and blows things off [TS]

00:51:05   the rain the rain does things that were [TS]

00:51:07   you know people who are or not [TS]

00:51:09   interested in the same things you're [TS]

00:51:10   interested in disinterested strangers [TS]

00:51:13   situations beyond your control it's just [TS]

00:51:15   it's at right happens right and what's [TS]

00:51:17   fascinating to about Kiki is that this [TS]

00:51:19   is a movie where Miyazaki's interest in [TS]

00:51:22   European yeah fairy tales and and [TS]

00:51:28   there's a lot of stuff in here that is [TS]

00:51:31   modeled on a couple icon stockholm where [TS]

00:51:34   I've been and actually seen stuff and be [TS]

00:51:36   like oh my god that's like a key still [TS]

00:51:38   every service scale and there's this [TS]

00:51:39   movie set [TS]

00:51:39   it's like a Scandinavian northern europe [TS]

00:51:41   for the most part it it's at mean it's [TS]

00:51:43   not it's sort of not said anywhere but [TS]

00:51:44   it's very clearly in it said in Europe [TS]

00:51:47   and it's about a girl who's a witch and [TS]

00:51:49   has a black cat and ride a broom so the [TS]

00:51:52   writing is all in Japanese right right [TS]

00:51:54   on japanese but it's he's definitely [TS]

00:51:56   trying to to tell this use this instead [TS]

00:52:00   this in a story and and the Western kind [TS]

00:52:03   of view of a witch on a broom with a [TS]

00:52:05   black cat and sets it in a European town [TS]

00:52:07   which is fascinating to Justin daddy [TS]

00:52:11   it's like a different a little bit [TS]

00:52:12   different palette that he's painting [TS]

00:52:14   with ya and so when i'm comparing this [TS]

00:52:17   to totoro the reason I can flop back and [TS]

00:52:18   forth because I'm like well tour was the [TS]

00:52:20   pure essence of of his work like if you [TS]

00:52:23   just keep tearing everything away until [TS]

00:52:25   all that's left is nonsense and emotion [TS]

00:52:26   you get total yeah he has more of a [TS]

00:52:28   structure and it's more sophisticated [TS]

00:52:29   not connect more with me as an adult [TS]

00:52:33   which is strange because if you describe [TS]

00:52:35   this movie to someone you can probably [TS]

00:52:37   actually write a little capsule for this [TS]

00:52:39   because you've got a clear main [TS]

00:52:40   character she's a witch Westerners know [TS]

00:52:42   what witches are she's young witch in [TS]

00:52:43   training and it's going to be a kids [TS]

00:52:45   movie [TS]

00:52:46   so what kind of wacky adventures could [TS]

00:52:48   she get into right but beyond that [TS]

00:52:50   premise it's not structured at all like [TS]

00:52:52   you know she's a kid who acts her age [TS]

00:52:55   the adults are not buffoons she doesn't [TS]

00:52:58   sing I there's there's no evil wizard [TS]

00:53:02   trying to [TS]

00:53:03   a harm her she goes out on her own and [TS]

00:53:05   leave your family behind and you're [TS]

00:53:07   expecting it to be that she ends up in [TS]

00:53:08   this town and she's taken advantage of [TS]

00:53:10   and made to do terrible things [TS]

00:53:11   she's not she's given a place to live [TS]

00:53:13   and she's given a job and she starts to [TS]

00:53:15   deliver you know baked goods are all [TS]

00:53:18   things you could have a witch do it like [TS]

00:53:19   she's gonna have a battle with magic [TS]

00:53:21   wand and fly her broom to firestorm to [TS]

00:53:23   the Wizards now she's gonna do [TS]

00:53:24   everything right and the big the big [TS]

00:53:25   tension is going to be like will she [TS]

00:53:27   deliver the cake on time right and and [TS]

00:53:30   better are like where am I going to stay [TS]

00:53:32   or had to do i navigate the adult world [TS]

00:53:35   because she can't get into the hotel [TS]

00:53:36   because she it's you know what you want [TS]

00:53:38   to stay in the hotel by yourself but [TS]

00:53:40   you're just a kid and she doesn't know [TS]

00:53:41   what to do with that one of the greatest [TS]

00:53:43   things mrs. there she's despondently [TS]

00:53:44   eating her sandwich that she packed for [TS]

00:53:46   herself after landing in the city full [TS]

00:53:48   of hope and finding she was not even [TS]

00:53:50   able to successfully issue you almost [TS]

00:53:52   got in trouble with the police messed up [TS]

00:53:53   traffic was not even able to get into [TS]

00:53:55   hotel like she's not able to function in [TS]

00:53:57   the adult world but she's just the kids [TS]

00:53:59   like I'd they wouldn't let me in but [TS]

00:54:01   like I don't actually just sitting there [TS]

00:54:02   and you realize she's eating lunch and [TS]

00:54:04   she packed for herself she has no other [TS]

00:54:05   food she doesn't know where she's gonna [TS]

00:54:07   stay she doesn't know how to become the [TS]

00:54:08   witch for this town or whatever and just [TS]

00:54:10   threw serendipity or whatever she [TS]

00:54:12   happens to get a job at a bakery and [TS]

00:54:14   figures well what can I actually do i [TS]

00:54:17   guess i can fly that's good i guess i'll [TS]

00:54:20   deliver things because if you can fly [TS]

00:54:21   you can don't like it its home you know [TS]

00:54:23   a mix of of pragmatic reality and people [TS]

00:54:27   acting their age and oh by the way we [TS]

00:54:29   have which is neckline everyone cool [TS]

00:54:30   with that yeah yeah it's fine it's fine [TS]

00:54:33   and there and it's great and then [TS]

00:54:35   they're so then there's wind [TS]

00:54:36   yeah and and her friend I mean that's [TS]

00:54:40   really the climax right as her friend is [TS]

00:54:42   accidentally lifted into the air by a [TS]

00:54:43   runaway blimp [TS]

00:54:45   yeah her love interest to is interested [TS]

00:54:47   in her but it's not like oh we're going [TS]

00:54:49   to be together and she will spend zero [TS]

00:54:52   time mooning over tom but she sounds [TS]

00:54:54   like the boy on the bike who kinda likes [TS]

00:54:56   her and that I mean right and again like [TS]

00:54:58   with us some other movies that we've [TS]

00:55:00   talked about it's the it's it's a more [TS]

00:55:02   realistic sort of like there's a boy and [TS]

00:55:05   he's sort of interesting and that's [TS]

00:55:07   really kind of it and this this is [TS]

00:55:09   probably a good point to talk about or [TS]

00:55:10   why I indoctrinated my children with [TS]

00:55:14   Studio Ghibli movies from [TS]

00:55:16   young age it and tried to keep them away [TS]

00:55:20   from disney movies particularly my [TS]

00:55:21   daughter because miyazaki goes in the [TS]

00:55:24   other direction all the characters movie [TS]

00:55:26   or women and there are you know the main [TS]

00:55:28   characters the protagonist the important [TS]

00:55:30   people and this women are in general [TS]

00:55:32   with some exceptions treated very well [TS]

00:55:34   so the ones i like to say Nozick up here [TS]

00:55:36   is the woman she's strong she does [TS]

00:55:37   everything a man would do but still with [TS]

00:55:39   the sensibilities of a woman [TS]

00:55:41   totoro the two girls are the main [TS]

00:55:43   characters and kiki's delivery service [TS]

00:55:46   she'sshe's the clear list of the center [TS]

00:55:49   of this movie and the movies are not [TS]

00:55:50   about getting married [TS]

00:55:53   finding love or like any of these girl [TS]

00:55:55   things like they're they're treated as [TS]

00:55:57   normal people [TS]

00:55:58   Kiki what she doesn't this movie is [TS]

00:56:00   grows up a little bit in the way that [TS]

00:56:03   people actually grow up by making [TS]

00:56:06   friends getting a job not being [TS]

00:56:07   confident yourself now but her brain [TS]

00:56:09   challenge in life is that she's you know [TS]

00:56:12   it doesn't quite know how to relate to [TS]

00:56:15   people and fit in how do you become this [TS]

00:56:18   person who is a working person but has [TS]

00:56:20   friends and in does all the stuff you [TS]

00:56:21   can't figure out and my favorite part of [TS]

00:56:23   this movie is when she loses her witch's [TS]

00:56:25   powers which in the whole thing with [TS]

00:56:26   powers in which is completely ridiculous [TS]

00:56:27   but they use that as a way to I was [TS]

00:56:30   talking is like this is probably going [TS]

00:56:32   to sound crude but it when she loses her [TS]

00:56:34   witch's powers that's their way of [TS]

00:56:36   telling you that she got her period like [TS]

00:56:39   she is coming of age and how do you [TS]

00:56:42   become that's why she got the woman [TS]

00:56:44   character that she relates to the artist [TS]

00:56:45   in the woods that is a woman who was her [TS]

00:56:47   role Marty course you have the pregnant [TS]

00:56:49   woman can you imagine you know three [TS]

00:56:50   decades 0 pregnant woman we can show [TS]

00:56:52   that an animated film they don't even [TS]

00:56:54   know where babies come from the pregnant [TS]

00:56:55   woman baker and everything's taken care [TS]

00:56:57   of her she's from a child while a child [TS]

00:57:00   to she's going to eventually become an [TS]

00:57:01   adult in a woman and when she can't fly [TS]

00:57:03   anymore is because like you know she's [TS]

00:57:05   just becoming a woman literally and it's [TS]

00:57:08   thrown her for a loop as it does to you [TS]

00:57:10   know kids when they're at that age and [TS]

00:57:12   it's like Who am I [TS]

00:57:14   why don't people like me the rich girls [TS]

00:57:16   tombos interested but i'm not sure [TS]

00:57:19   what's going on there and just just not [TS]

00:57:21   sure of herself the whole movie and [TS]

00:57:22   that's the plot the plot is coming of [TS]

00:57:24   age and like what and if you we've all [TS]

00:57:26   gone through it right that is definitely [TS]

00:57:28   worthy of a movie and [TS]

00:57:29   this is that movie and it's not the [TS]

00:57:31   cliché movie where in the end you go to [TS]

00:57:33   the problem with the football hero and [TS]

00:57:35   everybody loves you in the town coast [TS]

00:57:36   you Kiki we love you your greatest witch [TS]

00:57:38   or whatever you know and of course the [TS]

00:57:41   end of the movie she saves the boy you [TS]

00:57:43   know that's the plot of this movie the [TS]

00:57:44   girl saves the boy right from from death [TS]

00:57:47   that we are with their skill and [TS]

00:57:49   determination and not you know with her [TS]

00:57:51   princess fairy powers save save him from [TS]

00:57:53   death by blimp [TS]

00:57:54   yeah it's not always going to go to go [TS]

00:57:57   no definitely not the dirigibles they [TS]

00:58:00   like to call it that as a yes that's [TS]

00:58:02   right go through the windows pick up off [TS]

00:58:04   the coast of year that that's when they [TS]

00:58:05   had the thing that's another one of the [TS]

00:58:06   lines the ID on the go around the corner [TS]

00:58:08   that's the dirigibles that line is [TS]

00:58:09   therefore yeah sure i'm saying anything [TS]

00:58:11   at that point that's right that's crazy [TS]

00:58:14   i don't know what the dirigibles kids [TS]

00:58:15   but I don't blame you imagine [TS]

00:58:17   apparently this movie yeah not only [TS]

00:58:19   stockholm but also visit beyond the [TS]

00:58:21   which is a non-violent in the Baltic Sea [TS]

00:58:24   it's a part of another town in Sweden [TS]

00:58:27   and I've been there too so what did you [TS]

00:58:28   want to live in this town by the way [TS]

00:58:30   this is well let me tell you this bee is [TS]

00:58:31   although not as big as this is charming [TS]

00:58:34   and stockholm is great too so I i watch [TS]

00:58:36   these movies and I i remember my brief [TS]

00:58:39   you know trips to Sweden and it's it is [TS]

00:58:42   it's a great sort of tip again beautiful [TS]

00:58:45   just as I said about totoro just [TS]

00:58:48   beautiful looking and again you've got [TS]

00:58:49   the the elements and he likes to show [TS]

00:58:51   fields and trees and and clouds and all [TS]

00:58:54   these things and it's it's gentle and [TS]

00:58:57   you know its pastoral and beautiful [TS]

00:59:00   he's good at that stuff alright we weave [TS]

00:59:04   you know we should probably blow through [TS]

00:59:06   the rest of these movies here because [TS]

00:59:07   we've been talking for a while now i [TS]

00:59:09   have not seen porco rosso which is about [TS]

00:59:11   the that's like about a flying pig right [TS]

00:59:13   yeah that's that's an odd one too but [TS]

00:59:15   it's more of a boy's adventure movie [TS]

00:59:17   alright flying pig with with an [TS]

00:59:20   emotional heart he said he's a pig who's [TS]

00:59:22   a pilot is that right [TS]

00:59:24   no question Jason alright okay makes [TS]

00:59:27   sense in context i swear i got out else [TS]

00:59:29   out i gotta watch that ok and then [TS]

00:59:30   there's one ok which i haven't seen [TS]

00:59:32   which is yet which is a big one [TS]

00:59:34   yeah that's him refining and refining [TS]

00:59:36   and refining that that action movie [TS]

00:59:38   formula and starting to go over i think [TS]

00:59:42   into a little bit [TS]

00:59:43   too much now I wouldn't say maybe not [TS]

00:59:46   that but I say it like he has a preachy [TS]

00:59:49   streak in him he has a message that he [TS]

00:59:50   wants to tell you about not destroying [TS]

00:59:52   the earth not fighting each other or [TS]

00:59:53   whatever and that can be grading if it [TS]

00:59:57   when he leans on it too heavily but [TS]

00:59:58   monokey also I [TS]

00:59:58   monokey also I [TS]

01:00:00   highly encourage you to watch and it's [TS]

01:00:02   another example of every character in [TS]

01:00:04   the movie has as legitimate motivation [TS]

01:00:06   no buffoons no cartoonishly evil things [TS]

01:00:10   it's also ratcheting up all the things [TS]

01:00:13   it's most likely knows a guy i encourage [TS]

01:00:15   you to watch it all right I will [TS]

01:00:18   I've got it rented it's right here i [TS]

01:00:19   just didn't get to it in time [TS]

01:00:21   ok spirited away we touched on briefly [TS]

01:00:24   it I saw it and I liked it but I thought [TS]

01:00:27   it was it was just really weird [TS]

01:00:29   yeah similar to Kiki and that you end up [TS]

01:00:32   you start off with a girl it's a girl [TS]

01:00:34   right who's young and kind of petrol and [TS]

01:00:37   like you're that age and she's put into [TS]

01:00:38   a situation where she has to fend for [TS]

01:00:40   herself because her parents are not [TS]

01:00:41   there exactly like Kiki goes off on her [TS]

01:00:43   own its kind of wild-eyed whoever this [TS]

01:00:45   one has the parents taken away from her [TS]

01:00:47   it's like we're now you're on your own [TS]

01:00:48   no one's going to help you what are you [TS]

01:00:50   gonna do you have to find your way [TS]

01:00:51   you're gonna have to get a job you have [TS]

01:00:52   to work hard at that job if they're our [TS]

01:00:54   friends are interesting things happening [TS]

01:00:56   around here you're just going to have to [TS]

01:00:57   deal with them and that's it [TS]

01:00:59   this is why I think kids connect so much [TS]

01:01:01   with these movies because young adult [TS]

01:01:03   literature does this so much of the [TS]

01:01:05   protagonist and young adult literature [TS]

01:01:06   always has to be someone at the age of [TS]

01:01:08   the person are reading the book a young [TS]

01:01:09   adult and we want to see how do they [TS]

01:01:11   make their way in the world and that [TS]

01:01:12   their parents usually aren't there [TS]

01:01:14   they're on their harry potter goes off [TS]

01:01:15   the wizard school by himself for the the [TS]

01:01:17   people in the hunger games are you know [TS]

01:01:18   they have to you want to see someone who [TS]

01:01:21   has similar age to you and say well what [TS]

01:01:22   happens if we take away the safety net [TS]

01:01:23   and that's what's fascinating feel like [TS]

01:01:25   she's by herself and look at all these [TS]

01:01:27   crazy things and as a witch and and this [TS]

01:01:29   is weird creature and she has to get a [TS]

01:01:30   job doing and I think kids that age [TS]

01:01:32   where they're not sort of self [TS]

01:01:35   actualizing or whatever the the [TS]

01:01:37   psychological they're not you know they [TS]

01:01:38   haven't been sort of fully be taken [TS]

01:01:39   ownership of their own selves and find [TS]

01:01:41   their path in the world thrust into [TS]

01:01:43   these situations now granted the [TS]

01:01:44   situations that movies are ridiculous [TS]

01:01:46   and crazy but kids can connect that [TS]

01:01:48   they're like you know that the big [TS]

01:01:49   tension is she going to talk to the big [TS]

01:01:51   spider guy to ask him for a job because [TS]

01:01:52   I could never do that cuz I'm scared you [TS]

01:01:54   know [TS]

01:01:54   and so the plot I i think this movie is [TS]

01:01:56   also almost incidental unless you're [TS]

01:01:59   talking about the big message about not [TS]

01:02:00   polluting and all that stuff [TS]

01:02:01   it's about here you go kid let's see how [TS]

01:02:04   you do and again a female character and [TS]

01:02:06   again a character who through [TS]

01:02:07   determination and good good character [TS]

01:02:09   and effort and force of will triumph [TS]

01:02:12   snot by marrying [TS]

01:02:13   anybody yeah and then also repair turned [TS]

01:02:18   into pigs but they don't fly [TS]

01:02:19   yeah one of my favorite images in this [TS]

01:02:22   movie and he does this Lots images is [TS]

01:02:23   the train going across the water [TS]

01:02:25   attracts there's water but it's just [TS]

01:02:28   just enough to just barely leave the [TS]

01:02:29   tracks and the train is going across [TS]

01:02:31   this giant expanse of water it's not [TS]

01:02:33   floating on the water is not a magic [TS]

01:02:34   trick is just that the water happens to [TS]

01:02:35   be exactly at the level of the tracks [TS]

01:02:37   maybe it's high tide [TS]

01:02:40   yeah I don't know I hey how's Moving [TS]

01:02:46   Castle ya maar European ish [TS]

01:02:50   yeah things i watch this today this one [TS]

01:02:57   set this one's a little too long [TS]

01:02:59   what kind of sags which part did you [TS]

01:03:02   think sank I out toward the end it just [TS]

01:03:09   I it it just kept going toward the end [TS]

01:03:12   where they have the there's like the the [TS]

01:03:14   the battle and and they're there and [TS]

01:03:18   they started the enemy starts bombing [TS]

01:03:21   the town and they have to move the move [TS]

01:03:24   the castle and end it I just I couldn't [TS]

01:03:28   say I felt like it took a another plot [TS]

01:03:30   turn when I expected it to be wrapping [TS]

01:03:33   up and incisors like no no we're gonna [TS]

01:03:35   keep on going and no actually it's been [TS]

01:03:38   two hours I really i'm ok with you being [TS]

01:03:40   done now we just say that there weren't [TS]

01:03:42   a lot of things about it that I i [TS]

01:03:44   actually liked it is a it is a little [TS]

01:03:47   bit odd [TS]

01:03:48   it's also got like like with phil [TS]

01:03:51   hartman as Gigi the cat in kiki's [TS]

01:03:53   delivery service it's got the it's got [TS]

01:03:55   the fire demon Calcifer in the English [TS]

01:03:58   dub is Billy Crystal [TS]

01:03:59   yeah which although the way that [TS]

01:04:02   character is drawn you kind of want to [TS]

01:04:04   have a wacky personality like that that [TS]

01:04:06   fire demon yes just big eyes and a big [TS]

01:04:09   mouth and the Hartman gigi is one of [TS]

01:04:11   those things where that is not true to [TS]

01:04:12   the original but that's my bloody hell [TS]

01:04:14   but it's still it's hard it's pretty [TS]

01:04:16   good to you like I think it's like [TS]

01:04:18   that's that's a separate character [TS]

01:04:19   except movie that's one interpretation [TS]

01:04:20   you can do that same thing with Calcifer [TS]

01:04:23   that think the problem with with [TS]

01:04:25   how's Moving Castle is that it didn't [TS]

01:04:27   know whether wanted to be the action [TS]

01:04:29   adventure movie where we're interested [TS]

01:04:31   in the resolution of the plot like a [TS]

01:04:34   castle in the sky vodka or if we wanted [TS]

01:04:37   to be a this is what it's like to have [TS]

01:04:41   to go through some thing in your life [TS]

01:04:42   like Kiki or spirited away because you [TS]

01:04:45   do have the character who is a young [TS]

01:04:47   adult and she's suddenly gets old and [TS]

01:04:50   his magic but you also have this plot [TS]

01:04:51   business with how land is cursed and [TS]

01:04:53   you're like what am i interested in him [TS]

01:04:54   I interested in them in the main [TS]

01:04:55   characters overcoming our struggles in [TS]

01:04:59   this strange situation do I care about [TS]

01:05:01   how i miss bombing in the battles and [TS]

01:05:02   it's kind of all like you don't know [TS]

01:05:04   which way to go and then i can think [TS]

01:05:05   they just tried to fit it all into to [TS]

01:05:06   the same movie and this has a lot of [TS]

01:05:09   interesting bits and charm but i never [TS]

01:05:11   get invested in the story like a man in [TS]

01:05:13   the more story German movies and I never [TS]

01:05:15   connect with the emotion of the [TS]

01:05:16   character like a doing those and the [TS]

01:05:18   more character-driven movies yeah how is [TS]

01:05:21   a little odd himself because how how is [TS]

01:05:23   a uh yeah [TS]

01:05:26   however he he's like the doctor he [TS]

01:05:29   started well yeah but he's like blonde [TS]

01:05:31   and has his hair is kinda long and he [TS]

01:05:33   wears ear rings and he complains about [TS]

01:05:35   not being beautiful and then his kid [TS]

01:05:38   then here is done is darker he's this [TS]

01:05:40   he's like he's like am a like David [TS]

01:05:44   Bowie hey its latest he's not quite [TS]

01:05:47   he's not quite male he's not quite [TS]

01:05:49   female and then your protagonist is [TS]

01:05:53   turned into an old lady [TS]

01:05:55   although that's fascinating because at [TS]

01:05:56   various points she's not an old lady [TS]

01:05:59   writer and watch closely when she's [TS]

01:06:01   sleeping she's not and sometimes when [TS]

01:06:03   she professes her emotion she's not and [TS]

01:06:05   sometimes she's got the gray hair but [TS]

01:06:09   but the young face and has the young [TS]

01:06:11   voice it's panic that goes back and [TS]

01:06:13   forth which is crazy [TS]

01:06:15   so you like which Sophia's yeah that was [TS]

01:06:17   a little bit on the on the nose but it's [TS]

01:06:18   like the interesting thing about this [TS]

01:06:20   that would never happen in western [TS]

01:06:21   studios that you don't have a senior [TS]

01:06:23   citizen as your main cut you if you have [TS]

01:06:24   a beautiful young girl she has to say [TS]

01:06:25   beautiful young girl the more you don't [TS]

01:06:26   have her have the movie running around [TS]

01:06:28   the old person's groan groan as being [TS]

01:06:30   ugly [TS]

01:06:31   yea big nose and all hunched over and [TS]

01:06:34   although although it is there some great [TS]

01:06:36   scenes in this right that are the way [TS]

01:06:38   she cleans up the [TS]

01:06:39   Castle because the cast is a mess and [TS]

01:06:41   the book there's a little and there's a [TS]

01:06:42   little boy who is a gas that she's [TS]

01:06:45   cleaning up the castle and of course the [TS]

01:06:47   fire demon is also a gas because he's [TS]

01:06:49   afraid he's going to go out that she's [TS]

01:06:51   sort of like cleaning up all the ash [TS]

01:06:52   that's around and then the old boy has [TS]

01:06:55   got his hood that he puts on that makes [TS]

01:06:57   them look like kind of a strange kind of [TS]

01:06:59   bearded little tiny still little guy but [TS]

01:07:02   now he looks like a bit a bearded older [TS]

01:07:04   little guy that's cool i love the door [TS]

01:07:08   that's got the little thing you turn and [TS]

01:07:09   it opens in four different places [TS]

01:07:11   because this this castle is is walking [TS]

01:07:16   around on legs which is also really [TS]

01:07:18   interesting and it's agglomeration got [TS]

01:07:20   like bits of house inside it but then [TS]

01:07:22   you flip the switch and now you're in a [TS]

01:07:24   small town and you can switch again and [TS]

01:07:26   you're in the capital city i mean [TS]

01:07:27   there's a lot of stuff in here that's [TS]

01:07:29   really really interesting but it does [TS]

01:07:32   seem like it's a lot of stuff patent [TS]

01:07:35   leather yeah yeah and so and this movie [TS]

01:07:37   like all these other movies and most [TS]

01:07:39   japanese animation movies they just want [TS]

01:07:42   you to take it at face value they don't [TS]

01:07:43   want to explain to you like yeah but [TS]

01:07:45   notice that you know it's always magic [TS]

01:07:47   that castle and walks there's don't like [TS]

01:07:50   so the second thing is you know that is [TS]

01:07:52   almost quintessential in this where i [TS]

01:07:53   have one of those moments where I just [TS]

01:07:54   kinda like drop my hands and like well [TS]

01:07:56   of course [TS]

01:07:56   ok whatever is all of a sudden in rapid [TS]

01:07:59   succession there's oh that's his heart [TS]

01:08:02   the heart was in the with the with [TS]

01:08:04   Counsell for all along and that's his [TS]

01:08:06   curse and and look turnip head is a [TS]

01:08:09   prince from the foreign country that we [TS]

01:08:11   recently with starting oh of course sure [TS]

01:08:14   that all happened rather quickly and i'm [TS]

01:08:17   not quite sure why the connects with the [TS]

01:08:19   plot you're like well then you don't [TS]

01:08:20   even have a plot you just have a messy [TS]

01:08:22   or unpleasant things that aren't even [TS]

01:08:23   connected to the flat like the fact that [TS]

01:08:25   this fire a little boys can disguise [TS]

01:08:26   themselves or there's magic in this [TS]

01:08:28   world is a castle that walks or just [TS]

01:08:30   like all that stuff is like just just go [TS]

01:08:31   with it because it's not it's not [TS]

01:08:33   important to the plot is just like [TS]

01:08:34   they're just a side character you get [TS]

01:08:36   hung up by like the mechanics of the [TS]

01:08:38   fire demon or what you know why does [TS]

01:08:42   that dog look weird or the fact that big [TS]

01:08:44   fella colonia that the big fat which [TS]

01:08:46   woman like you is who is she oh she our [TS]

01:08:49   friend she like you just you just said [TS]

01:08:51   just go with it [TS]

01:08:52   simplistic but you really need a solid [TS]

01:08:54   plan to hang out on and i think this one [TS]

01:08:56   they just didn't know where to go and [TS]

01:08:57   toward the end of the movie some of the [TS]

01:09:00   final lines that house speaks he's kind [TS]

01:09:02   of grunting and it is literally [TS]

01:09:05   christian bale in the introduction [TS]

01:09:07   it is literally Christian Bale doing his [TS]

01:09:09   batman voice before he was Batman it and [TS]

01:09:13   i turned my wife I said it's a bad man [TS]

01:09:14   how is batman because it is it's [TS]

01:09:17   christian bale most the movie you don't [TS]

01:09:18   really you don't really think it's [TS]

01:09:20   christian bale but then that he does [TS]

01:09:21   this little something like this now I'm [TS]

01:09:23   how I'm going off again and that's it [TS]

01:09:26   Batman [TS]

01:09:27   I don't want to tell you should not look [TS]

01:09:28   at the NDB page for Princess Mononoke if [TS]

01:09:30   you gotta open close it [TS]

01:09:32   alright because i don't want to distract [TS]

01:09:34   you with who is voicing stuff in that [TS]

01:09:35   movie because for the most part it does [TS]

01:09:37   not sound like them and right when it's [TS]

01:09:39   done up you know just look up who [TS]

01:09:41   everyone was like it's some stuff in [TS]

01:09:43   their stuff wacky stuff lauren bacall in [TS]

01:09:46   in the English dub track for [TS]

01:09:48   house-moving count yeah she was a surge [TS]

01:09:49   of it is and i really liked her as the [TS]

01:09:51   woman she was did a great job on that [TS]

01:09:54   yeah yeah so they get good people will [TS]

01:09:57   John Lasseter now now that pixar was [TS]

01:10:00   bought by disney John Lasseter is [TS]

01:10:02   basically in charge of doing faithful e [TS]

01:10:05   English releases of all of miyazaki's [TS]

01:10:08   movies and they and they do a good job [TS]

01:10:11   hey I mean you can argue about whether [TS]

01:10:12   that you know you prefer the original [TS]

01:10:15   with subtitles but the dubs are good [TS]

01:10:17   they're they're generally very good with [TS]

01:10:19   famous people who are good you know not [TS]

01:10:22   just like brad pitt will be in a blue [TS]

01:10:24   but actually good work [TS]

01:10:27   all right we should talk about ponyo [TS]

01:10:28   which is his most recent movie from 2008 [TS]

01:10:31   which is like his take on the little [TS]

01:10:33   mermaid [TS]

01:10:34   well it it's something alright princess [TS]

01:10:37   is similar one where where you're like [TS]

01:10:40   what is what you know very very rarely [TS]

01:10:44   does he spend any time establishing [TS]

01:10:46   whether this is reality or magic is real [TS]

01:10:50   everyone in all the movies accepts [TS]

01:10:52   anything that's in them like you know [TS]

01:10:55   fish with hair and humanize we don't [TS]

01:10:57   whatever giant sea like no one is known [TS]

01:10:59   is like oh my god there's a giant woman [TS]

01:11:02   underneath us in the ocean i thought it [TS]

01:11:04   died not you [TS]

01:11:05   if a giant woman appeared on anything in [TS]

01:11:07   the ocean you know time spent on is just [TS]

01:11:09   like it's all of a piece almost as if [TS]

01:11:10   everyone in all his movies is a child [TS]

01:11:13   because you know that childlike wonder [TS]

01:11:15   that he has he likes to imagine a world [TS]

01:11:17   in which anything is possible people [TS]

01:11:18   aren't fazed by it so if you could just [TS]

01:11:21   let that get out of the way this is this [TS]

01:11:22   is a movie about a little i don't need [TS]

01:11:26   to not even a mermaid a little fish girl [TS]

01:11:28   yeah it's not like she sings a song [TS]

01:11:30   about wanting to go on land she just is [TS]

01:11:33   glorious and independent and squirms [TS]

01:11:36   away [TS]

01:11:36   she's the she's the daughter of the [TS]

01:11:38   queen of the sea and a human who is a [TS]

01:11:42   what a waste of human who got fed up [TS]

01:11:46   with humans i don't particularly like [TS]

01:11:48   the actor that you know Liam Neeson this [TS]

01:11:50   he doesn't do a bad job but he just [TS]

01:11:52   sounds like Liam Neeson to me and i [TS]

01:11:53   think is wrong for the character very [TS]

01:11:55   very wrong [TS]

01:11:56   so she so she yeah she takes off and [TS]

01:11:58   it's kinda put captured by a kid in a in [TS]

01:12:01   a green plastic bucket and that they [TS]

01:12:04   bond strangely and rapidly but to the [TS]

01:12:09   point where she decides she loves loves [TS]

01:12:13   the boy and doesn't want to leave him [TS]

01:12:14   and so she basically when she's returned [TS]

01:12:18   to the sea against your will she goes [TS]

01:12:21   into the room that's got all the magic [TS]

01:12:23   stuff in it and turns herself into a [TS]

01:12:25   human and and again if you hear the plot [TS]

01:12:28   of this movie described as well he does [TS]

01:12:29   have a plot like this you know character [TS]

01:12:31   they're separated there's a blood [TS]

01:12:33   adversary you know there's old people [TS]

01:12:35   are in JT of its like Coon at one point [TS]

01:12:37   actually with the old people are walking [TS]

01:12:40   again and they're under the sea and it [TS]

01:12:42   really is like wait a second where's you [TS]

01:12:44   know the cast of Cocoon yeah so so that [TS]

01:12:46   when everything floods and is this [TS]

01:12:48   pre-cambrian prehistoric fish Dino going [TS]

01:12:52   around under the seat because that's [TS]

01:12:53   what he'll I doubt was this thing is [TS]

01:12:54   going to restore the earth to its [TS]

01:12:55   previous state and people like you know [TS]

01:12:57   let's evacuate the old people from the [TS]

01:12:59   home and get the black don't like the [TS]

01:13:01   earth is flooded is Armageddon who are [TS]

01:13:03   all gonna die giant seat nope nope [TS]

01:13:06   everyone's comments can be LT so 13 of [TS]

01:13:09   the mom whose voice by tina fey and amy [TS]

01:13:11   English up is a they like she first off [TS]

01:13:14   she's like you know I could stay here [TS]

01:13:17   with the old people but instead i'm [TS]

01:13:18   going to try to [TS]

01:13:19   it to my house and it's like tip this [TS]

01:13:20   terrible parenting better i'm gonna [TS]

01:13:23   don't don't go in the rushing water with [TS]

01:13:25   your little tiny car and she's like no [TS]

01:13:26   I'm gonna I'm gonna time it just right [TS]

01:13:28   and i'm going to jump over within my kid [TS]

01:13:29   in the car which she does and she drives [TS]

01:13:31   really fast and the water is about to [TS]

01:13:34   get them and they get to the highpoint [TS]

01:13:35   their houses like I'm a high point [TS]

01:13:37   they're completely surrounded by water [TS]

01:13:39   and and she's I'm gonna go back out when [TS]

01:13:42   we want [TS]

01:13:42   how could you how could you even go back [TS]

01:13:44   out you're completely surround and yet [TS]

01:13:46   somehow she goes back out this is this [TS]

01:13:48   is another thing I think is gripping for [TS]

01:13:50   children miyazaki's movies involve [TS]

01:13:52   children is that all in all of them that [TS]

01:13:55   it's the opposite of helicopter [TS]

01:13:57   parenting if you think of the situations [TS]

01:13:59   that young children two three four five [TS]

01:14:00   year old children are put in by parents [TS]

01:14:03   in these movies they're like the kids [TS]

01:14:04   will be ok [TS]

01:14:05   you know I like here you just got i'll [TS]

01:14:07   be in my sent folder i'll be my thing [TS]

01:14:09   doing my work for whatever you guys just [TS]

01:14:11   go run out in the woods and have fun and [TS]

01:14:14   this one it's like you know the kid just [TS]

01:14:15   goes to school comes back on his own [TS]

01:14:17   just let him play at one point she finds [TS]

01:14:19   him in the ocean drowning practically [TS]

01:14:21   you think she would say well from this [TS]

01:14:22   point on I'm not letting much i'm making [TS]

01:14:24   sure there's an adult supervise my child [TS]

01:14:26   since i live someplace surrounded by [TS]

01:14:27   ocean water and I almost he almost [TS]

01:14:29   drowned you know [TS]

01:14:30   no it's all just like laid back in the [TS]

01:14:32   kit and up and you know so kids who were [TS]

01:14:34   brought up in the current helicopter [TS]

01:14:36   parenting lifestyle and you know of what [TS]

01:14:39   was trying to keep our children safe [TS]

01:14:40   watch these movies they sit and they see [TS]

01:14:42   these kids in situations that they've [TS]

01:14:43   never been allowed to get into and it's [TS]

01:14:45   gripping busy like you know there's [TS]

01:14:47   nobody there to save him he's by himself [TS]

01:14:50   where there's no adult taking care of [TS]

01:14:51   him are telling him don't go there don't [TS]

01:14:53   do that all these kids are on their own [TS]

01:14:55   and they they do things he you know she [TS]

01:14:58   makes the boat get bigger he's tooling [TS]

01:14:59   around on the boat looking at things [TS]

01:15:00   like they're off on their own doing [TS]

01:15:03   their thing you know and when they get [TS]

01:15:04   back the parents don't really help them [TS]

01:15:06   i really like that that she makes the [TS]

01:15:08   little boat that's driven by a candle [TS]

01:15:10   she makes a boat in the candle big and [TS]

01:15:11   they like the candle and then they just [TS]

01:15:13   go hang out and people like hey how you [TS]

01:15:15   doing [TS]

01:15:15   yeah we're just looking for my mom you [TS]

01:15:18   have you seen her and the baby is is [TS]

01:15:20   scowling at her [TS]

01:15:21   yeah weird stuff going to church and [TS]

01:15:24   their relationship starts off as boy and [TS]

01:15:27   pet [TS]

01:15:27   yeah a-and evolved into what exactly [TS]

01:15:30   like you don't make this move west [TS]

01:15:32   you be like wait am I supposed to [TS]

01:15:33   believe these kids are in love is this [TS]

01:15:35   this is uncomfortable for me because [TS]

01:15:37   they shouldn't be romantic love between [TS]

01:15:38   children who were five been there isn't [TS]

01:15:40   but it's like but then what's the point [TS]

01:15:42   of this movie if there's a male and a [TS]

01:15:43   female and their leads they have to get [TS]

01:15:44   married at the end because i don't [TS]

01:15:45   understand the purpose of life it's not [TS]

01:15:47   for these people to get married and live [TS]

01:15:48   happily ever after and it seems like [TS]

01:15:49   they do but really it's not it's not [TS]

01:15:52   romantic love between these people is [TS]

01:15:54   just save I it's you know it's strange [TS]

01:15:57   if you get hung up on these things you [TS]

01:15:59   think are other Japanese all weird and [TS]

01:16:01   prefers never like knocking on canvas [TS]

01:16:03   you can't just accept at face value [TS]

01:16:05   because what happened they're not [TS]

01:16:06   kissing each other in this movie you [TS]

01:16:08   know they're just related the little [TS]

01:16:09   smoother but it's like it's it's the [TS]

01:16:12   love the little boy would feel for a [TS]

01:16:14   little girl right [TS]

01:16:15   yeah and and making human species his [TS]

01:16:17   best friend and he wants to keep her [TS]

01:16:19   around and she's cool [TS]

01:16:20   although this movie this movie and [TS]

01:16:22   strangely because they they they like [TS]

01:16:24   wander through the tunnel and she just [TS]

01:16:26   turns into a fish-like and that's one of [TS]

01:16:28   those moments again like oh I guess now [TS]

01:16:30   she turns into a fish again [TS]

01:16:32   yeah well yeah okay let's stop there [TS]

01:16:35   like the way she and she strange-looking [TS]

01:16:36   when she's efficient ugly and weird and [TS]

01:16:38   yes this movie isn't is more absurdist [TS]

01:16:41   with the old people start to walk and [TS]

01:16:44   it's fair it's yeah wow this gets caught [TS]

01:16:48   up and its plot a little bit too much [TS]

01:16:50   too because if the whole messages I go [TS]

01:16:52   that's not pleased to see this is [TS]

01:16:53   wonderful nature is good and all that [TS]

01:16:55   business but it was very interesting [TS]

01:16:57   imagery and lots of good scenes but [TS]

01:17:00   overall it's kind of a kind of a mess it [TS]

01:17:03   doesn't have the heart of totoro doesn't [TS]

01:17:07   have the sophistication of kiki it has a [TS]

01:17:09   lot of the absurdity of spirited away [TS]

01:17:11   but without the same relatable our trip [TS]

01:17:14   for the protagonist so it's mostly just [TS]

01:17:16   kind of like a visual delight a combined [TS]

01:17:20   with a plot that will be off-putting to [TS]

01:17:22   a lot of people but if it doesn't bother [TS]

01:17:24   your disciple there is you know one of [TS]

01:17:26   my favorite things in this movie is when [TS]

01:17:28   the the father calls to say that he's [TS]

01:17:34   got another trip on his ship and he's [TS]

01:17:36   not going to be coming home for shore [TS]

01:17:38   leave and and the mother is furious now [TS]

01:17:43   and then the father is going past [TS]

01:17:45   and they're they're signaling via [TS]

01:17:47   flashing light violent Morse code and [TS]

01:17:51   that and that the Sun is very you know [TS]

01:17:54   he's very enthusiastic and it's relaying [TS]

01:17:55   messages back and forth and and the mom [TS]

01:17:59   is just saying you basically tell him to [TS]

01:18:01   tell him to beat it [TS]

01:18:02   tell me is a jerk it's the one and the [TS]

01:18:05   boys like no no I'm gonna be mom was [TS]

01:18:07   kind of mad at you [TS]

01:18:08   yeah that's that's something else you [TS]

01:18:10   enjoy see in kids movies because sites [TS]

01:18:12   that you had a kids movie where there [TS]

01:18:14   was a mother taking care of the Son and [TS]

01:18:15   the father was away and he couldn't come [TS]

01:18:18   back the mother would be like oh dear [TS]

01:18:20   how I wish you would come back but [TS]

01:18:22   adults are actual people to get you [TS]

01:18:25   don't have e and a kids movie usually [TS]

01:18:27   don't show the adults have you know you [TS]

01:18:29   don't show the parents fighting unless [TS]

01:18:30   they're bad parent so you don't so the [TS]

01:18:32   you know like she gets upset like [TS]

01:18:34   because your husband she gets mad at him [TS]

01:18:36   because I call how you're supposed to be [TS]

01:18:38   and it's mad because she loves him and [TS]

01:18:39   wants him back but also mad because like [TS]

01:18:41   why you would work and kids movies you [TS]

01:18:43   almost never show that everyone in [TS]

01:18:44   miyazaki movies gets to be who they are [TS]

01:18:47   no one has to be like oh this is x type [TS]

01:18:49   of movie they're for adults can't have [TS]

01:18:52   that kind of reaction because real [TS]

01:18:53   adults do have that reaction real [TS]

01:18:55   relationships and they have them in [TS]

01:18:56   front of children and it doesn't make [TS]

01:18:57   them bad people you know and he shows [TS]

01:19:00   that in his movies everyone gets to be a [TS]

01:19:03   character [TS]

01:19:04   yeah and then the Sun place will you get [TS]

01:19:07   the sense what he what he's done before [TS]

01:19:09   which is a play maybe not necessarily [TS]

01:19:13   even peacemaker but he's aware of that [TS]

01:19:16   me he's not gonna let his mom being [TS]

01:19:17   angry get in the way of him talking to [TS]

01:19:18   his dad so and his dad knows that he can [TS]

01:19:21   use his son a little bit as a bridge [TS]

01:19:23   there are different you know put in a [TS]

01:19:25   good word for me I know she's bad at me [TS]

01:19:26   and it's it's sweet its it's nice and [TS]

01:19:29   then you know they're giant waves in the [TS]

01:19:31   mood comes down and pulls a giant wall [TS]

01:19:33   of water with all the boats and its [TS]

01:19:35   members coming at that part I never [TS]

01:19:37   really understood either it's like the [TS]

01:19:38   moon is getting closer [TS]

01:19:40   yeah but things are out of balance yeah [TS]

01:19:43   at the giant tidal wave sweeps up all [TS]

01:19:45   the cargo ships into here and there's a [TS]

01:19:48   lot of stuff this and click the ship [TS]

01:19:50   parking lot of I don't know [TS]

01:19:52   well that's that's that's our are [TS]

01:19:54   chronological walk through the canon of [TS]

01:19:57   of miyazaki [TS]

01:19:59   the ones that you've seen anyone mostly [TS]

01:20:01   and well and we covered the ones that [TS]

01:20:02   that I haven't seen by by mentioning [TS]

01:20:05   them [TS]

01:20:06   yeah I i almost wish we could have done [TS]

01:20:08   not had this not being miyazaki show but [TS]

01:20:11   a studio ghibli job is there are other [TS]

01:20:13   movies like for example the most recent [TS]

01:20:15   I don't know if you've seen it but uh [TS]

01:20:16   Arrietty already i had the wishes the [TS]

01:20:17   borrower's i have not i want to see it [TS]

01:20:19   but I haven't seen it and try to get [TS]

01:20:21   that would fit right in with the [TS]

01:20:22   discussion even though it's not a [TS]

01:20:24   miyazaki did not track this and a couple [TS]

01:20:27   other minor things like whisper of the [TS]

01:20:29   heart and was the one I was thinking of [TS]

01:20:31   other works that are involved in the [TS]

01:20:33   studio but not necessarily involving him [TS]

01:20:34   that are it fit right into this genre [TS]

01:20:38   and and give a slightly different flavor [TS]

01:20:40   but huh [TS]

01:20:41   that will have to say the production and [TS]

01:20:42   I still actually really want to an [TS]

01:20:43   animation but considering how far it was [TS]

01:20:44   to get a show together for like The [TS]

01:20:47   Godfather of great japanese animation i [TS]

01:20:49   really doubt we're going to be able to [TS]

01:20:51   get a show together for people who have [TS]

01:20:52   seen anime in general well kind of anime [TS]

01:20:55   you know I think we're gonna have to [TS]

01:20:57   treat that like we did like we did games [TS]

01:20:59   or or or text adventures or things like [TS]

01:21:03   that where where we might have to go [TS]

01:21:06   outside the usual panelists in order to [TS]

01:21:08   get a good collection of people for that [TS]

01:21:10   I'd be out there I'm there's more it's [TS]

01:21:12   time for that [TS]

01:21:13   uh-huh I don't know free free agents or [TS]

01:21:16   I don't know what the sportster would be [TS]

01:21:19   I was thinking guests get into pinch [TS]

01:21:22   hitters hitters you have something like [TS]

01:21:24   that temporary injury relief something [TS]

01:21:28   like that but uh because I really beyond [TS]

01:21:31   miyazaki all I could talk about Star [TS]

01:21:33   Blazers I I could sing with the Star [TS]

01:21:36   Blazers theme song even but i'm sure the [TS]

01:21:38   Star Blazers is also a butchered version [TS]

01:21:40   of yes yes I yeah that's the thing with [TS]

01:21:42   animes I can't give you homework and say [TS]

01:21:44   okay we'll just watch the these last [TS]

01:21:46   decades worth yeah am i right you know [TS]

01:21:47   at least there's like one director a [TS]

01:21:49   series of movies you can watch for them [TS]

01:21:50   to get a takeout but if you haven't been [TS]

01:21:53   spending your life it's like a volunteer [TS]

01:21:54   and a comic book thing like okay start [TS]

01:21:55   reading comic books and get better than [TS]

01:21:57   20 years [TS]

01:21:58   yeah exactly that's it's tough to catch [TS]

01:22:00   up yeah it was hard enough for me to [TS]

01:22:02   catch up on music and music is really [TS]

01:22:04   great [TS]

01:22:04   kiki kiki is my favorite with totoro [TS]

01:22:08   close behind but Kiki something about it [TS]

01:22:11   maybe it's all the airship [TS]

01:22:12   yeah and for adults listen to the story [TS]

01:22:16   that sounds like everything we just [TS]

01:22:17   described her kids movies and stuff [TS]

01:22:19   one day without your children might [TS]

01:22:22   maybe when you're by yourself like a [TS]

01:22:24   rainy day or something get Kiki stick it [TS]

01:22:26   somewhere off to the side so when that [TS]

01:22:27   rainy day comes you going to sit at the [TS]

01:22:29   couch chill out try to roll your mind [TS]

01:22:32   back a few decades and just watch that [TS]

01:22:34   movie [TS]

01:22:34   yeah and Syria doesn't see it doesn't [TS]

01:22:36   connect with you a rainy windy day gonna [TS]

01:22:39   have to wind [TS]

01:22:40   yeah that my heart yeah because that [TS]

01:22:44   wind who is the bad guy [TS]

01:22:46   the enemy alright John I thought this [TS]

01:22:50   was AI thought there's a lot of fun [TS]

01:22:51   yes it was nice to watch those movies [TS]

01:22:53   again to like giving you homework too [TS]

01:22:56   yeah that was good that was good at home [TS]

01:22:58   some other genres yes make you watch [TS]

01:23:00   please do they did they do this with a [TS]

01:23:02   book club they make me read things [TS]

01:23:03   against my will so what you can make me [TS]

01:23:05   watch things thats fine damn right we [TS]

01:23:08   can do this again [TS]

01:23:09   alright well then i will close up this [TS]

01:23:11   episode of the incomparable and i would [TS]

01:23:13   like to thank John siracusa for spending [TS]

01:23:15   the time and his knowledge of anime [TS]

01:23:17   which I do not have but again what a [TS]

01:23:21   great director and a lot of great a lot [TS]

01:23:23   of great movies especially totoro and [TS]

01:23:26   Kiki so until our next edition of the [TS]

01:23:30   incomparable podcast thanks again to [TS]

01:23:32   john i'm jason Snell we'll see you next [TS]

01:23:34   time [TS]

01:23:35   [Music] [TS]

01:23:41   la that are ya short compared to like [TS]

01:23:52   this seriously i could actually do a [TS]

01:23:54   scene-by-scene three-hour thing on any [TS]

01:23:55   of these moves hi [TS]

01:23:57   well I know that wants that that was the [TS]

01:23:59   other way to go is that I feel like yeah [TS]

01:24:01   like i said i think i could do an hour [TS]

01:24:02   on chest totoro and Kiki and in fact I [TS]

01:24:04   could do an hour on each of them [TS]

01:24:05   yeah i wish i could that could do have [TS]

01:24:09   done a better job of convincing people [TS]

01:24:10   to these movies might be something to be [TS]

01:24:12   interested because if you're listening [TS]

01:24:13   to the show you like the nerdy [TS]

01:24:14   conversations that we normally have [TS]

01:24:16   it's hard for me to to explain why i [TS]

01:24:19   like these movies and why I think other [TS]

01:24:20   people will but i think this whole [TS]

01:24:22   swathes of the population the nerd [TS]

01:24:23   population who just avoid these entirely [TS]

01:24:25   huh [TS]

01:24:26   you know I mean that's why i said that i [TS]

01:24:28   find them the especially those two [TS]

01:24:30   charming it's just like you i can't help [TS]

01:24:33   but smile while I'm watching them [TS]

01:24:34   they're nice they're pretty they're [TS]

01:24:37   sweet they're you know it there's [TS]

01:24:40   nothing wrong with that it and [TS]

01:24:42   warehousing and done [TS]

01:24:43   interesting you know right but and the [TS]

01:24:45   and the plot is beside the point in the [TS]

01:24:47   fact that there is no conflict I i mean [TS]

01:24:49   i didn't mention this either but you [TS]

01:24:50   know with young kids I think I think [TS]

01:24:53   totoro and Kiki are go to movies for [TS]

01:24:57   young kids because they are there are [TS]

01:24:59   some kids that are they really get [TS]

01:25:01   disturbed by scary parts and conflict [TS]

01:25:04   and there's no conflict at Otero has a [TS]

01:25:06   little like I my children being a little [TS]

01:25:08   bit scared when they first meet or he [TS]

01:25:09   makes that very deep noise alright yeah [TS]

01:25:12   he's totally not scared with that [TS]

01:25:13   combines Bucky just there's nothing [TS]

01:25:15   that's gonna tell your kids that mean [TS]

01:25:17   after all [TS]

01:25:17   yeah and and the best thing about Kiki [TS]

01:25:19   the reason I i love it so much because I [TS]

01:25:21   i feel like i'm putting what I'm putting [TS]

01:25:23   in front of them is like the highest [TS]

01:25:25   quality things made by humans but they [TS]

01:25:28   can still enjoy it i'm not putting them [TS]

01:25:29   in front of crap i'm putting in front of [TS]

01:25:31   something that they can keep watching [TS]

01:25:32   for the entire life in already which I [TS]

01:25:34   encourage you to watch my kids have seen [TS]

01:25:36   about as soon as it came out in japan i [TS]

01:25:38   grabbed it and I watched myself and i [TS]

01:25:40   watched it with my kids and I read the [TS]

01:25:42   subtitles and kids you know their their [TS]

01:25:46   little minds are amazing i read the [TS]

01:25:47   subtitles like once or twice and they [TS]

01:25:50   both memorize the movie and so they [TS]

01:25:51   watch Arrietty all the time [TS]

01:25:54   with no subtitles on ninja in japanese [TS]

01:25:56   is also not a lot of dialogue you'll see [TS]

01:25:58   that it's you know it's it's a different [TS]

01:26:00   flavor than miyazaki's movies but that [TS]

01:26:01   that charm and beauty and interest and [TS]

01:26:05   like gentleness is all there and they [TS]

01:26:08   they love it they they sit there and [TS]

01:26:09   watch this movie in Japanese it [TS]

01:26:11   I never even thought to try to trick [TS]

01:26:13   show them doubles for the movies but you [TS]

01:26:14   know I can't wait for the Englishman to [TS]

01:26:16   come out now I'm actually kind of scared [TS]

01:26:18   to see it because the whole family has [TS]

01:26:19   seen this movie 50 times now in Japanese [TS]

01:26:21   and it'll be weird to hear the American [TS]

01:26:23   Voices you know I read the borrower's [TS]

01:26:25   when I was a kid and we were we were [TS]

01:26:26   actually yeah we're gonna go see it and [TS]

01:26:28   we we didn't it was it was sold out when [TS]

01:26:30   we went to see it down in Southern [TS]

01:26:32   California [TS]

01:26:33   did they ever explain in the source [TS]

01:26:34   material why the call borrowers when [TS]

01:26:35   they don't give anything back [TS]

01:26:38   now this is a major plot point but it [TS]

01:26:41   just hit it does bother me i well I'm [TS]

01:26:44   trying to remember i think i think the [TS]

01:26:46   idea was that the borrower's could could [TS]

01:26:49   give them back or it may have been the [TS]

01:26:50   borrower's just like a turnout copyright [TS]

01:26:53   well I i think it was i think it was a [TS]

01:26:55   little bit like um no no we're not [TS]

01:26:57   stealing it [TS]

01:26:58   we're just borrowing it that it was [TS]

01:27:00   almost like an understanding that that [TS]

01:27:02   they were just putting a nice positive [TS]

01:27:04   spin on the fact that they stole your [TS]

01:27:06   pencils and use them as bedposts or [TS]

01:27:10   whatever they did with them and the [TS]

01:27:12   other one I recommend view is a whisper [TS]

01:27:14   of how old is your daughter [TS]

01:27:16   ten maybe too old for this week you [TS]

01:27:19   can't whisper of the heart is [TS]

01:27:21   I don't know what you call it's more [TS]

01:27:23   stereotypical girls movie but it still [TS]

01:27:26   is kind of a self-actualization thing I [TS]

01:27:30   it also is kind of long and has a silly [TS]

01:27:33   ending but it's that give it a try [TS]

01:27:36   alright i I've looked it up here i will [TS]

01:27:40   i'll check it out and my daughter loves [TS]

01:27:42   the Cat Returns which is much more silly [TS]

01:27:44   and kind of cats and it has a connection [TS]

01:27:46   with whisper of the heart lot of these [TS]

01:27:48   movies are connected in strange ways i [TS]

01:27:49   would not recommend the cat returns and [TS]

01:27:51   if unless you have a four-year-old [TS]

01:27:52   daughter who likes cats I i have no I [TS]

01:27:56   have a ten-year-old daughter a [TS]

01:27:57   four-year-old daughter who likes cats [TS]

01:27:58   six years ago [TS]

01:28:00   yeah you're a little bit past my [TS]

01:28:03   programming my japanese animation [TS]

01:28:05   inspired programming and [TS]

01:28:06   by the way I should mention the show I [TS]

01:28:07   could not keep my daughter away from [TS]

01:28:09   disney movies she flying I my wife loves [TS]

01:28:12   them and I couldn't possible I could get [TS]

01:28:14   my daughter away from them anyway we [TS]

01:28:16   didn't dress her in pink or anything [TS]

01:28:18   like that and then all of a sudden she [TS]

01:28:20   just went into a princess phase and you [TS]

01:28:21   couldn't really couldn't stop it and she [TS]

01:28:23   got she got through it but you know and [TS]

01:28:26   and so we had we tried to give it which [TS]

01:28:29   was trying to show the good ones [TS]

01:28:31   so we we we had the boy we watched [TS]

01:28:35   Sleeping Beauty way too many times a lot [TS]

01:28:37   of the lip-sync seen them all and like I [TS]

01:28:39   just I just prayed like my massive [TS]

01:28:41   foundation of Studio Ghibli movies right [TS]

01:28:43   I just laid the bedrock there so that [TS]

01:28:45   the princess phase it will come and it [TS]

01:28:46   will go but underneath it all will be [TS]

01:28:48   key right and Nas ago you know [TS]

01:28:51   yeah Nicki saving that boy the end of [TS]

01:28:53   the movie you know it's tough [TS]

01:28:55   yeah yeah yeah i mean the Disney stuff [TS]

01:28:59   is is fine but it doesn't really send [TS]

01:29:01   the right message now it doesn't it has [TS]

01:29:05   music they like but yeah yeah those [TS]

01:29:07   movies bother me immensely [TS]

01:29:08   yeah yeah sleeping beauty's not that bad [TS]

01:29:13   some of them are really bad some of them [TS]

01:29:16   are really really bad but uh but now we [TS]

01:29:19   I think we've exposed her to a lot of a [TS]

01:29:25   lot of good stuff plus she's I mean plus [TS]

01:29:27   you like know stuff about Doctor Who so [TS]

01:29:29   yeah that's good [TS]

01:29:31   I've totally ruined her for her for four [TS]

01:29:35   boys dick all right actually I maybe [TS]

01:29:37   she's perfect cause they'll be like how [TS]

01:29:39   you doing better actor who well I you [TS]

01:29:41   know I don't know I don't know what's [TS]

01:29:42   gonna happen but i have given her I've [TS]

01:29:44   given her a nice little layer of of [TS]

01:29:46   depth that she can either take advantage [TS]

01:29:48   of or completely deny but she you know I [TS]

01:29:51   don't know I've done all I can so far [TS]

01:29:52   yeah sometimes i feel like i'm a i-i-i [TS]

01:29:54   question what I'm doing this like I said [TS]

01:29:56   my kids have been watching princess [TS]

01:29:57   mononoke my daughter is four and she [TS]

01:29:59   repeatedly request princess mononoke [TS]

01:30:02   after you watch that movie if you ask me [TS]

01:30:04   is appropriate to show to a [TS]

01:30:06   four-year-old maybe it's not maybe it's [TS]

01:30:09   not appropriate to show 24 year old but [TS]

01:30:11   she's a tough cookie sheet that we [TS]

01:30:13   watched that's why we watched naga no no [TS]

01:30:18   what what what [TS]

01:30:19   one of my watch today Oh house moving [TS]

01:30:21   castle today is is because i looked at [TS]

01:30:24   the ratings for both of them look like [TS]

01:30:25   Howl's Moving Castle was considered less [TS]

01:30:27   intense [TS]

01:30:28   yeah then and then the other one and [TS]

01:30:31   kinda my son my son is still there were [TS]

01:30:35   parts of even howls moving castle that [TS]

01:30:37   he was like I don't want to watch this [TS]

01:30:39   part of my son at seven and my daughter [TS]

01:30:41   for about the same level of times if [TS]

01:30:43   it's scary saying he's searching stuff [TS]

01:30:46   yes she is a top and butt but like I'm [TS]

01:30:48   thinking like well why do you like this [TS]

01:30:50   because it is totally not a girl in a [TS]

01:30:51   boy's adventure movies dismemberment I [TS]

01:30:54   mean the cut you watch it and think [TS]

01:30:55   about my father watching but she loves [TS]

01:30:57   it i mean there's something about it [TS]

01:30:58   that just I don't know it's connecting [TS]

01:31:01   with their little in you know it's [TS]

01:31:02   reaching to the little brains and doing [TS]

01:31:04   something and so I'm hoping I'm not [TS]

01:31:05   scaring her life but I think I think she [TS]

01:31:07   I think she can handle it [TS]

01:31:09   I think I feel like that she's I feel [TS]

01:31:12   comfortable everything are you doing her [TS]

01:31:13   you know your kids react to stuff [TS]

01:31:15   differently a friend of mine her son [TS]

01:31:17   he's aight i think now and he couldn't [TS]

01:31:22   watch he may still not be able to watch [TS]

01:31:24   fiction he could watch fiction things [TS]

01:31:27   hehe could watch like documentaries like [TS]

01:31:29   shows about this is how you know these [TS]

01:31:31   are these are trucks that are building a [TS]

01:31:33   building right [TS]

01:31:34   he loved stuff like that but you know [TS]

01:31:37   and he got really into like Star Wars [TS]

01:31:39   related like books and pictures and [TS]

01:31:41   things but had never seen Star Wars [TS]

01:31:43   because he was he was like I think and I [TS]

01:31:47   think it was the conflict thing I think [TS]

01:31:49   like having a bit bad people doing mean [TS]

01:31:52   things really freaked him out night I [TS]

01:31:54   told her that she should show him Kiki [TS]

01:31:56   because there is no conflict in this [TS]

01:31:59   book [TS]

01:31:59   nothing no mean people are in this movie [TS]

01:32:03   for the one mean witch who tells her to [TS]

01:32:05   how you can even fly haha [TS]

01:32:07   and then she leaves and that's it she's [TS]

01:32:09   just kind of stuck up [TS]

01:32:11   yeah yeah and that that's an example of [TS]

01:32:13   the bed up [TS]

01:32:14   I'm I tell fortunes about now you're not [TS]

01:32:17   a good actor that kid is not going to [TS]

01:32:18   know did you see that cat is a whole [TS]

01:32:23   freakin movie memorized [TS]

01:32:24   yeah I've seen that 1a lot of times i [TS]

01:32:27   should get what you mentioned you there [TS]

01:32:29   the the witch in the woods and like you [TS]

01:32:31   mean janeane garofalo [TS]

01:32:32   yeah yeah yeah that's yeah what's up its [TS]

01:32:38   time but she did a good job she did sure [TS]

01:32:40   and doesn't it's not drawn like her so [TS]

01:32:42   it's not the worst when that's not Dario [TS]

01:32:44   American celebrity and it's drawn like [TS]

01:32:47   the right character as they want to do [TS]

01:32:49   disney think that was yeah or the [TS]

01:32:51   DreamWorks [TS]

01:32:53   worst all right there was this great [TS]

01:32:56   thank you for staying up to end up and [TS]

01:32:58   making sure that there's a show this [TS]

01:32:59   week [TS]

01:33:00   sho enough [TS]

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