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82: Apocalypse Book Club

 

00:00:00   the incomparable podcast number 82 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/0">TS</a>]

00:00:08   Morris went well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/8">TS</a>]

00:00:12   welcome back to the uncomfortable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/12">TS</a>]

00:00:14   podcast we are so glad to have you join [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/14">TS</a>]

00:00:16   us because quite frankly we're all quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/16">TS</a>]

00:00:18   depressed because we read lots of books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/18">TS</a>]

00:00:20   about the end of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/20">TS</a>]

00:00:23   i'm your host Jason snow this is a new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/23">TS</a>]

00:00:25   addition of our book club and our [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/25">TS</a>]

00:00:27   primary book club selection today is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/27">TS</a>]

00:00:30   short story collection by maureen McHugh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/30">TS</a>]

00:00:32   called after the apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/32">TS</a>]

00:00:35   it's a collection of looks like nine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/35">TS</a>]

00:00:37   maybe short stories that generally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/37">TS</a>]

00:00:39   involve horrible things happening to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/39">TS</a>]

00:00:41   world and society 10 shorts and short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/41">TS</a>]

00:00:43   stories and nice even ten involving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/43">TS</a>]

00:00:46   miserable things happening too miserable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/46">TS</a>]

00:00:48   people and then to throw in other things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/48">TS</a>]

00:00:50   we'll talk about other kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/50">TS</a>]

00:00:51   apocalyptic end of the world kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/51">TS</a>]

00:00:53   literature as we go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/53">TS</a>]

00:00:55   joining me on this most up with people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/55">TS</a>]

00:00:58   of podcasts Lisa Schmeisser hi Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/58">TS</a>]

00:01:02   hi there also scott McNulty hi Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   hello is the world still there where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   are well I who knows [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/67">TS</a>]

00:01:10   Philadelphia you can never tell that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/70">TS</a>]

00:01:12   pretty much the end of the world anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/72">TS</a>]

00:01:13   and John siracusa hai jaan i find the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/73">TS</a>]

00:01:16   end of the world exhilarating maybe only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/76">TS</a>]

00:01:18   one huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/78">TS</a>]

00:01:19   that's because you hate everything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/79">TS</a>]

00:01:22   don't know maybe they could be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/82">TS</a>]

00:01:24   ok it's possible that this one possible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/84">TS</a>]

00:01:28   scenario so I can't even remember who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   recommended this book because I'm yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/90">TS</a>]

00:01:32   who recommended this is elisa should we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/92">TS</a>]

00:01:35   blame Lisa or is it Scott [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/95">TS</a>]

00:01:37   whoo-hoo see it's already I society I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/97">TS</a>]

00:01:40   societies already deteriorated is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/100">TS</a>]

00:01:42   already crumbling yeah we're turning on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/102">TS</a>]

00:01:44   each other that's the message and all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/104">TS</a>]

00:01:46   these you're all alone no one likes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/106">TS</a>]

00:01:47   you're gonna die up it may have been me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/107">TS</a>]

00:01:53   alright because I second it with them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/113">TS</a>]

00:01:57   all right thinking train because i had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/117">TS</a>]

00:02:01   first heard of marine McHugh through an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/121">TS</a>]

00:02:04   anthology I got one of the micros McCall [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   edit anthologies called alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/126">TS</a>]

00:02:08   tyrants and the story the caps off that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/128">TS</a>]

00:02:10   apology is called Lincoln trained by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/130">TS</a>]

00:02:13   mari mchugh and without giving anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/133">TS</a>]

00:02:16   away the story in the premise is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/136">TS</a>]

00:02:18   Lincoln survived the assassination but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/138">TS</a>]

00:02:21   there are group of people were basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/141">TS</a>]

00:02:22   acting as president in his stead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/142">TS</a>]

00:02:25   since obviously you don't just bounce [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/145">TS</a>]

00:02:27   back from a bullet to the brain and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/147">TS</a>]

00:02:29   of their bread ideas is to round up with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/149">TS</a>]

00:02:31   a call recalcitrant southerners and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/151">TS</a>]

00:02:33   pack them on trains and send them out to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/153">TS</a>]

00:02:35   encampments in Indian country and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/155">TS</a>]

00:02:39   story Lincoln train is about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/159">TS</a>]

00:02:40   experience of one so-called recalcitrant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/160">TS</a>]

00:02:42   Southerners who can't understand why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/162">TS</a>]

00:02:43   this is happening to her and it goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/163">TS</a>]

00:02:46   over the events of what happens when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/166">TS</a>]

00:02:48   people who used to be your countrymen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/168">TS</a>]

00:02:49   and where your enemy combatants have the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/169">TS</a>]

00:02:52   upper hand in this in a bad situation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/172">TS</a>]

00:02:55   so anyway that has nothing to do with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/175">TS</a>]

00:02:56   this book you know if it's not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/176">TS</a>]

00:02:59   sounds terrible it's kind of an upbeat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/179">TS</a>]

00:03:01   story for her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/181">TS</a>]

00:03:02   yeah i was going to say it sounds music [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/182">TS</a>]

00:03:03   down she's a little bit of a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/183">TS</a>]

00:03:06   of a downer the enumerated this is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/186">TS</a>]

00:03:08   is after the apocalypse the short story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/188">TS</a>]

00:03:09   collection this is sort of the theme and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/189">TS</a>]

00:03:11   and I think that they were the stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/191">TS</a>]

00:03:14   were chosen I assume that not every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/194">TS</a>]

00:03:16   story she writes about the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/196">TS</a>]

00:03:18   world and not all these stories were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/198">TS</a>]

00:03:20   really about the end of the world but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/200">TS</a>]

00:03:22   they are all you know what's it let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/202">TS</a>]

00:03:24   let's tackle we pick this election i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/204">TS</a>]

00:03:25   went back and read her first collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/205">TS</a>]

00:03:27   which is mothers and other monsters and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/207">TS</a>]

00:03:30   what do people do with everybody laughs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/210">TS</a>]

00:03:34   nervously and and this is just I i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/214">TS</a>]

00:03:37   one of the big themes in her work is we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/217">TS</a>]

00:03:39   are all selfish we are all alone we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/219">TS</a>]

00:03:41   never have to understand your connection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/221">TS</a>]

00:03:43   with another human being and like as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/223">TS</a>]

00:03:45   long as you understand that going into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/225">TS</a>]

00:03:47   her stories there's a lot to appreciate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/227">TS</a>]

00:03:48   just don't ever read them when you're in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/228">TS</a>]

00:03:51   a bad mood or despairing over the state [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/231">TS</a>]

00:03:52   of humanity into everybody have a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/232">TS</a>]

00:03:55   time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/235">TS</a>]

00:03:56   yeah and i will say i record I i got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/236">TS</a>]

00:04:00   this book because I'm always fascinated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/240">TS</a>]

00:04:01   when a genre books kind of crossover [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/241">TS</a>]

00:04:06   into mainstream and people are talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/246">TS</a>]

00:04:08   like people who don't normally talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/248">TS</a>]

00:04:10   about drama books are talking about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/250">TS</a>]

00:04:11   and after the apocalypse was one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/251">TS</a>]

00:04:13   these things that like you know the New [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/253">TS</a>]

00:04:14   York Times Book Review people were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/254">TS</a>]

00:04:16   writing about it and so intrigued me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/256">TS</a>]

00:04:18   yeah and so there you go that's why [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/258">TS</a>]

00:04:21   funny how that didn't happen with let's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   say I don't know Harry Potter they found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/263">TS</a>]

00:04:26   crossing over into the mainstream should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/266">TS</a>]

00:04:28   repeal you internet service a warning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   park there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/270">TS</a>]

00:04:31   exactly thats that's the wrong kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/271">TS</a>]

00:04:33   Main Street now so in this book we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/273">TS</a>]

00:04:36   we have we have a zombie apocalypse we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/276">TS</a>]

00:04:41   have anything that story by the way we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/281">TS</a>]

00:04:43   have a I'm gonna let me run down here we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/283">TS</a>]

00:04:45   have a zombie apocalypse we have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/285">TS</a>]

00:04:46   unstated economic apocalypse we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/286">TS</a>]

00:04:49   dirty bomb apocalypse we have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/289">TS</a>]

00:04:51   artificial intelligence not really an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/291">TS</a>]

00:04:53   apocalypse but an emergence we have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/293">TS</a>]

00:04:56   medical experiment gone awry but not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/296">TS</a>]

00:04:59   really an apocalypse we have a chicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/299">TS</a>]

00:05:00   nugget apocalypse we have an unstated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/300">TS</a>]

00:05:03   apocalypse and then there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/303">TS</a>]

00:05:05   people who fly right that's basically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/305">TS</a>]

00:05:07   what we've got here i'm not question was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/307">TS</a>]

00:05:09   a flying people have to do with anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/309">TS</a>]

00:05:11   are they in an apocalypse there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/311">TS</a>]

00:05:13   flying people but wonder if it comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/313">TS</a>]

00:05:15   down to the breakdown of emotional [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17   equilibrium and reality [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/317">TS</a>]

00:05:19   yeah yeahs because i think the theme [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/319">TS</a>]

00:05:22   that goes through all of these books is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/322">TS</a>]

00:05:23   these every every single one is about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/323">TS</a>]

00:05:26   people who have survived an event that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/326">TS</a>]

00:05:28   has completely altered their worldview [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/328">TS</a>]

00:05:30   and and their frame of reference because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/330">TS</a>]

00:05:32   in the effect of centrifugal forces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/332">TS</a>]

00:05:35   which is about the prion disease that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/335">TS</a>]

00:05:38   that's passed on through the chicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/338">TS</a>]

00:05:39   mcnuggets there she really doesn't spend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/339">TS</a>]

00:05:41   a whole lot of time on the most horrific [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/341">TS</a>]

00:05:43   aspect of the story which is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/343">TS</a>]

00:05:44   anybody who's ever eaten chicken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/344">TS</a>]

00:05:46   mcnugget get this disease and for me I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/346">TS</a>]

00:05:49   thought that the worst part of the story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/349">TS</a>]

00:05:50   was you have this poor fourteen-year-old [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/350">TS</a>]

00:05:52   kid who is losing her mother and she has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   nobody it and she cheat literally feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/354">TS</a>]

00:05:57   like the best thing she can possibly do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/357">TS</a>]

00:05:58   in her life is set fire to her house [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/358">TS</a>]

00:05:59   which he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/359">TS</a>]

00:06:01   yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03   right she's what she's she's got her her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/363">TS</a>]

00:06:06   to moms and they've split up and her one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/366">TS</a>]

00:06:11   mom who's not her biological mom she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/371">TS</a>]

00:06:14   calls from moms is is a is junkie with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/374">TS</a>]

00:06:18   new boyfriend who's kind of shifty and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/378">TS</a>]

00:06:21   then her mom who stable has Alice as her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/381">TS</a>]

00:06:24   new partner and but her mom has the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/384">TS</a>]

00:06:27   chicken nugget disease and is dying and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/387">TS</a>]

00:06:30   and Alice a hoarder exact analysis a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/390">TS</a>]

00:06:32   hoarder yes yes yes don't forget that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/392">TS</a>]

00:06:36   just to throw that in there there's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/396">TS</a>]

00:06:38   supporting this chicken nugget [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/398">TS</a>]

00:06:39   apocalypse and hoarding exactly well i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   think because she wants every all she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/401">TS</a>]

00:06:43   wants the main character to be as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/403">TS</a>]

00:06:44   uncomfortable as possible so you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/404">TS</a>]

00:06:46   even there's no like home is not your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/406">TS</a>]

00:06:48   sanctuary because they your mothers die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/408">TS</a>]

00:06:50   and be it's full of somebody's other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/410">TS</a>]

00:06:51   crap and you can't get comfortable on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/411">TS</a>]

00:06:53   Alice Alice's being very supportive of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/413">TS</a>]

00:06:56   her mother but Alice doesn't provide [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/416">TS</a>]

00:06:58   because she's a hoarder I mean that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/418">TS</a>]

00:07:00   home is no longer really a comfort for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/420">TS</a>]

00:07:02   her and then her other her other mom is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/422">TS</a>]

00:07:05   not really much of an option either it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/425">TS</a>]

00:07:07   really kind of Miss report story on any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/427">TS</a>]

00:07:10   personal you've got that nice coupling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/430">TS</a>]

00:07:12   of personal misery with complete [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   societal misery because because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/434">TS</a>]

00:07:16   a fatalism right that wasn't what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/436">TS</a>]

00:07:18   everyone is eating chicken mcnugget on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/438">TS</a>]

00:07:20   the disease is going to hit that's it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/440">TS</a>]

00:07:22   five years to incubate her junkie mom's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   boyfriend basically since we could you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   know we could all be dead but there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/446">TS</a>]

00:07:27   way to know until we get symptoms and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/447">TS</a>]

00:07:30   there's no test and so every the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/450">TS</a>]

00:07:31   society is degrading mostly out of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/451">TS</a>]

00:07:33   fatalism right because you everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/453">TS</a>]

00:07:36   could be dying it's fun fishing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/456">TS</a>]

00:07:40   irene and irene and Franny should get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   together and perhaps participate in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/462">TS</a>]

00:07:44   sort of competition in which they have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/464">TS</a>]

00:07:45   to kill each other and the woods [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/465">TS</a>]

00:07:46   horrifying Hunger Games but ya know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/466">TS</a>]

00:07:50   for example in that story the apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   isn't about that the the prion disease [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/472">TS</a>]

00:07:54   because that's just a fact of life like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/474">TS</a>]

00:07:56   radiation poisoning or anything else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/476">TS</a>]

00:07:59   that can kill you the apocalypse is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/479">TS</a>]

00:08:01   woman's mother that this young girl's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/481">TS</a>]

00:08:02   mother dying and her literally having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/482">TS</a>]

00:08:05   nobody who's willing to step up and take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/485">TS</a>]

00:08:06   care of her and and I I thought that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/486">TS</a>]

00:08:09   something that make you doesn't a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/489">TS</a>]

00:08:11   the stories is the the so-called [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   apocalypse isn't necessarily the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/493">TS</a>]

00:08:14   precipitating event like the bird flu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/494">TS</a>]

00:08:16   especially economics what it is is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/496">TS</a>]

00:08:18   event that causes somebody to say okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/498">TS</a>]

00:08:20   life as I know it is over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   here's what comes next you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/502">TS</a>]

00:08:25   especially economics it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/505">TS</a>]

00:08:26   realization is the main characters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/506">TS</a>]

00:08:27   realization that she's effectively sold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29   herself into wage slavery four-by-four [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/509">TS</a>]

00:08:32   for a biotech factory in the kingdom of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/512">TS</a>]

00:08:35   the blind that's when she realizes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37   she's dealing with it with a sentient AI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/517">TS</a>]

00:08:41   and standing up for that a is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/521">TS</a>]

00:08:43   end her career as an IT troubleshooter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/523">TS</a>]

00:08:46   you know things like that that these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/526">TS</a>]

00:08:49   so-called catastrophic events are are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/529">TS</a>]

00:08:51   are basically background noise and most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/531">TS</a>]

00:08:53   of these stories they're all personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/533">TS</a>]

00:08:55   apocalypses exactly yeah yeah which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/535">TS</a>]

00:08:59   why I thought it was kind of weird that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/539">TS</a>]

00:09:00   you left off with the naturalist because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/540">TS</a>]

00:09:02   Starbase well okay so so here's what I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/542">TS</a>]

00:09:07   struggling to say is on a prison camp [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/547">TS</a>]

00:09:08   some beer some can always yes what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/548">TS</a>]

00:09:11   lead character effectively does he gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/551">TS</a>]

00:09:12   curious enough about zombies to start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/552">TS</a>]

00:09:14   wailing his federal prisoners and using [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/554">TS</a>]

00:09:16   them as lab rats in his experiments but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/556">TS</a>]

00:09:19   you read this and you kind of see the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/559">TS</a>]

00:09:21   spirit of 19th century naturalist in it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/561">TS</a>]

00:09:24   you know he's almost like an Audubon of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/564">TS</a>]

00:09:25   the zombie world and so was i was trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/565">TS</a>]

00:09:28   to figure out where his apocalyptic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   moment came from I guess basically he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   doesn't have one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/572">TS</a>]

00:09:33   you know he's already living in it he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/573">TS</a>]

00:09:35   he's the master of the the zombie you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/575">TS</a>]

00:09:38   know well federal prison right and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/578">TS</a>]

00:09:41   they close them and that's his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/581">TS</a>]

00:09:42   apocalypse is leaving the zombie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/582">TS</a>]

00:09:45   reservation and going back to with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/585">TS</a>]

00:09:47   regular people and so now his call his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/587">TS</a>]

00:09:49   skills are meaningless because he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/589">TS</a>]

00:09:52   kids he was building up quite a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/592">TS</a>]

00:09:54   in mutual of omaha presents some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/594">TS</a>]

00:09:56   portfolio on the behavior of zombie the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/596">TS</a>]

00:09:59   main character in The Naturalist he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/599">TS</a>]

00:10:00   that turn where he where he begins to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/600">TS</a>]

00:10:04   set out to study the zombies and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/604">TS</a>]

00:10:07   that moment where he realizes i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/607">TS</a>]

00:10:10   to kill my fellow prisoners or more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/610">TS</a>]

00:10:13   disabled them and let the zombies kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/613">TS</a>]

00:10:15   them in order to learn more about them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/615">TS</a>]

00:10:17   for science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/617">TS</a>]

00:10:18   yeah which is here which is that which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/618">TS</a>]

00:10:20   you know it is a prison he's a criminal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/620">TS</a>]

00:10:22   in a prison right so it's like bro i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/622">TS</a>]

00:10:25   guess you know that so that and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27   pretty evident that these guys are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/627">TS</a>]

00:10:28   killing each other into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/628">TS</a>]

00:10:29   my eyes anyway right you know they set [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/629">TS</a>]

00:10:32   up in the beginning we have that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/632">TS</a>]

00:10:33   backdrop of you know that had that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   society has has degraded to the point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/635">TS</a>]

00:10:38   because of the zombie apocalypse that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/638">TS</a>]

00:10:39   they just said Cleveland put just zombie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/639">TS</a>]

00:10:42   prisoners in their throat Linda's ami [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/642">TS</a>]

00:10:45   preserve and then for some reason they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   started throwing in prisoners into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   preserve then she never makes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   reason clear and then there's like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/651">TS</a>]

00:10:53   throw line at the end of the story about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/653">TS</a>]

00:10:55   how the Supreme Court has ruled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/655">TS</a>]

00:10:56   unconstitutional of presidents been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/656">TS</a>]

00:10:58   impeached and if i may be frank that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   actually the part I found the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/660">TS</a>]

00:11:01   unrealistic because seriously like when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/661">TS</a>]

00:11:06   have you known anybody in Washington to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/666">TS</a>]

00:11:07   take any capability for any gross [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/667">TS</a>]

00:11:09   violation of human rights by the federal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   government [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/671">TS</a>]

00:11:11   well after the zombie apocalypse Lisa's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/671">TS</a>]

00:11:14   yeah it's a new age of personal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/674">TS</a>]

00:11:16   responses Dombey lobbying Samaritans [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/676">TS</a>]

00:11:19   there's going to be a zombie lobby where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/679">TS</a>]

00:11:21   they probably have like zombie junkets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/681">TS</a>]

00:11:22   we can go shoot zombies and dick cheney [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/682">TS</a>]

00:11:24   sheets when the face i mean that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/684">TS</a>]

00:11:25   that's where we're going with this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/685">TS</a>]

00:11:26   I did like in The Naturalist i like i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/686">TS</a>]

00:11:29   like the idea that that that seems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/689">TS</a>]

00:11:33   realistic to me i guess this is what you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/693">TS</a>]

00:11:34   were saying that society would would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/694">TS</a>]

00:11:36   react to something like a zombie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/696">TS</a>]

00:11:38   apocalypse in that way of saying well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   you know we are going to just toss the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/700">TS</a>]

00:11:42   criminals in with the zombies because we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/702">TS</a>]

00:11:44   don't we don't care right everybody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/704">TS</a>]

00:11:46   might as well be zombies or zombie food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/706">TS</a>]

00:11:48   because they're there they're criminals [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/708">TS</a>]

00:11:50   and and so we're just gonna throw them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/710">TS</a>]

00:11:52   away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/712">TS</a>]

00:11:53   it solves two problems at once i right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/713">TS</a>]

00:11:55   am within that then they're there is as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/715">TS</a>]

00:11:57   there are in our prisons today there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/717">TS</a>]

00:11:58   this kind of culture that grows up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/718">TS</a>]

00:12:00   there's a guy who's kind of like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/720">TS</a>]

00:12:01   leader but then this guy breaks away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/721">TS</a>]

00:12:03   goes out into the city and begins his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/723">TS</a>]

00:12:06   studies and and begins capturing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08   prisoners and and using them in his in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/728">TS</a>]

00:12:10   his zombie studies that you think he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/730">TS</a>]

00:12:12   actually interested in science I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/732">TS</a>]

00:12:16   he was interested in surviving think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/736">TS</a>]

00:12:18   was curious about what about what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/738">TS</a>]

00:12:20   rules of the zombies were I guess I put [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/740">TS</a>]

00:12:22   it that way because once he saw that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/742">TS</a>]

00:12:23   zombie in the tin foil lined dumpster [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/743">TS</a>]

00:12:26   he was like what is the deal that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/746">TS</a>]

00:12:28   the Dalton actually that was that was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/748">TS</a>]

00:12:29   brilliant little moment right it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/749">TS</a>]

00:12:31   why does the zombie have a like a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   sun bowl that he lives he wants to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/753">TS</a>]

00:12:36   warm and then he let me hear that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/756">TS</a>]

00:12:38   more is like on the fire escape and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/758">TS</a>]

00:12:40   realizes the zombies don't look up then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/760">TS</a>]

00:12:42   he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/762">TS</a>]

00:12:42   curious right he's got some curiosity [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/762">TS</a>]

00:12:44   I'm not sure yet that he was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46   doing doing it for science but i do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/766">TS</a>]

00:12:49   think that he had some curiosity and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/769">TS</a>]

00:12:51   then had no problem basically killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   people because i was the key trait that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/773">TS</a>]

00:12:54   I saw him was that he was nuts because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/774">TS</a>]

00:12:57   he wasn't he wasn't really insane but at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/777">TS</a>]

00:13:00   and the reader is interested in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   zombies but he's a survivor and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   like huh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/784">TS</a>]

00:13:04   like you know the same way you might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   like what kind of bird that is he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/786">TS</a>]

00:13:08   thinking that while he sacrificing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/788">TS</a>]

00:13:10   this guy that he's tricked into you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/790">TS</a>]

00:13:12   killing people is pretty nonchalant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/792">TS</a>]

00:13:13   about well he's got this whole list of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15   questions about how they behave and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/795">TS</a>]

00:13:18   part of it was I need to answer these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/798">TS</a>]

00:13:20   questions so I know what I what I can do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/800">TS</a>]

00:13:23   without getting myself killed by zombies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/803">TS</a>]

00:13:24   but by the end of it when he starts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26   seeing the zombies rhythmically bobbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/806">TS</a>]

00:13:28   their heads after eating and he notices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/808">TS</a>]

00:13:30   that it's like a communication behavior [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/810">TS</a>]

00:13:33   that's what I think something shifts in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/813">TS</a>]

00:13:35   his brain and that's why the story ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/815">TS</a>]

00:13:37   with him knowing that he would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/817">TS</a>]

00:13:38   liked to have set one last fire for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/818">TS</a>]

00:13:40   zombies that's him i would like to find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/820">TS</a>]

00:13:42   like his scientific curiosity does gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/822">TS</a>]

00:13:45   parked right at the point where it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/825">TS</a>]

00:13:47   picked up but he's gonna be a world's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/827">TS</a>]

00:13:49   foremost expert on zombies now right i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/829">TS</a>]

00:13:51   mean he'll be he'll be family may have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/831">TS</a>]

00:13:53   this personal apocalypse Scott but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/833">TS</a>]

00:13:56   also get I got the sense that he he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/836">TS</a>]

00:13:57   might be kind of famous like a media [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/837">TS</a>]

00:13:59   because he gets it gets interviewed and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/839">TS</a>]

00:14:01   yeah and-and-and the pictures of him as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/841">TS</a>]

00:14:04   he's removed from the from the from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/844">TS</a>]

00:14:06   cleveland on her are all over the news [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/846">TS</a>]

00:14:09   and that you know the and that struck me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/849">TS</a>]

00:14:11   as kind of funny to that this guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/851">TS</a>]

00:14:13   just killed all of these people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   nobody knows or cares about it he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/855">TS</a>]

00:14:17   going to end up being hailed as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/857">TS</a>]

00:14:20   survivor and and maybe ultimately as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/860">TS</a>]

00:14:22   somebody who's an expert on on how the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/862">TS</a>]

00:14:25   zombies behave but I got the sense that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/865">TS</a>]

00:14:27   he did not care for his fellow man he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/867">TS</a>]

00:14:31   would kill them so easily and he was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/871">TS</a>]

00:14:34   really really interested in the zombies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/874">TS</a>]

00:14:36   so they took away from the one thing he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/876">TS</a>]

00:14:38   was interested in and I don't think it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/878">TS</a>]

00:14:40   going to end well for him i don't know i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/880">TS</a>]

00:14:41   think i'll become like David [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/881">TS</a>]

00:14:42   Attenborough of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/882">TS</a>]

00:14:44   I'll be like little leading at you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/884">TS</a>]

00:14:46   expeditions into cleveland or maybe what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/886">TS</a>]

00:14:50   you'll do is he'll he'll redirect that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/890">TS</a>]

00:14:51   energy into killing people for for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/891">TS</a>]

00:14:53   another yeah because just going to kill [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   back different reasons yeah we'll find [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   another reason to do it he'll you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   he'll find help frame another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/899">TS</a>]

00:15:01   investigative question and go back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   killing people in some way so we should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/903">TS</a>]

00:15:05   talk a little bit about uh about useless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/905">TS</a>]

00:15:07   things which is another story in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/907">TS</a>]

00:15:09   collection which is about a sculptor a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/909">TS</a>]

00:15:11   woman in the southwest to makes these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/911">TS</a>]

00:15:14   creepy uh living dolls they're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/914">TS</a>]

00:15:19   newborn newborn and all replicas and she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/919">TS</a>]

00:15:22   makes makes them for people over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/922">TS</a>]

00:15:25   internet and and there's basically a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/925">TS</a>]

00:15:27   gradual economic apocalypse that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/927">TS</a>]

00:15:29   happening that comes with a lot of her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/929">TS</a>]

00:15:32   stories where where the gulf between the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/932">TS</a>]

00:15:34   haves and have-nots just gotten so big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/934">TS</a>]

00:15:36   that people are are falling off of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/936">TS</a>]

00:15:37   edge into the Gulf yeah i'm clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/937">TS</a>]

00:15:39   that's her that's the world you in na [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/939">TS</a>]

00:15:41   post Great Recession kind of environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/941">TS</a>]

00:15:45   that would seem to be a fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   straightforward reasonable extrapolation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/947">TS</a>]

00:15:50   to say that you know this is not going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/950">TS</a>]

00:15:52   to get better it's going to keep getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/952">TS</a>]

00:15:53   worse people are going to get pulled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/953">TS</a>]

00:15:55   apart it's gonna be this gradual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/955">TS</a>]

00:15:57   apocalypse which I find actually in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/957">TS</a>]

00:16:00   ways more realistic and and more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/960">TS</a>]

00:16:02   terrifying than the kind of sudden [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/962">TS</a>]

00:16:03   apocalypse so it's like what if they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05   suddenly we're zombies or what if there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/965">TS</a>]

00:16:06   was a horrible bomb that exploded in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/966">TS</a>]

00:16:09   irradiated Maryland yeah and and much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/969">TS</a>]

00:16:11   worse to have it just be things just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/971">TS</a>]

00:16:14   kept getting worse and and worse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/974">TS</a>]

00:16:15   worse until everybody you know lost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/975">TS</a>]

00:16:18   their jobs and and waiting to make your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/978">TS</a>]

00:16:20   writing a college yeah you need you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/980">TS</a>]

00:16:22   you're filled with obsolete during your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/982">TS</a>]

00:16:23   lifetime something like that which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/983">TS</a>]

00:16:25   horrifying but I this is it was kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/985">TS</a>]

00:16:28   a i found a kind of a bizarre story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/988">TS</a>]

00:16:30   i liked at something that happens in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/990">TS</a>]

00:16:33   that story and also in a couple of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/993">TS</a>]

00:16:36   others it definitely one of her one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/996">TS</a>]

00:16:39   the accused of motifs here is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/999">TS</a>]

00:16:42   American attitude that poor hungry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1002">TS</a>]

00:16:44   people are from somewhere else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1004">TS</a>]

00:16:47   yes and there's a there's an actual line [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49   in one of these stories I'm trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:52   remember which one might be after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:54   apocalypse where where that somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1014">TS</a>]

00:16:57   basically said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:57   as you know where Americans you know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1017">TS</a>]

00:16:59   not we're not hungry homeless refugees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1019">TS</a>]

00:17:02   don't use the word refugee but it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:05   lot yeah that's the last time yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1025">TS</a>]

00:17:06   what's up with the convoy and she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1026">TS</a>]

00:17:08   horrified by yeah and in in in useless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1028">TS</a>]

00:17:11   things it's theirs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:12   she makes a similar observation about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1032">TS</a>]

00:17:15   the the migrants who are coming by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:17   doing some you know doing some work in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:20   her garden before they move along that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   there's definitely that feeling that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:25   know just because you've gotten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1045">TS</a>]

00:17:27   comfortable being in a wealthy country [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1047">TS</a>]

00:17:29   doesn't make you any different as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:31   person and any more subject to you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1051">TS</a>]

00:17:35   terrible economic conditions then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1055">TS</a>]

00:17:37   somebody who's in Africa or in you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:40   in anywhere any other poor part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1060">TS</a>]

00:17:43   world must plus then she turns to making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1063">TS</a>]

00:17:46   sex toys return to make sex toys because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1066">TS</a>]

00:17:51   Justin their property taxes gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:52   exactly going to make somebody creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1072">TS</a>]

00:17:54   creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1074">TS</a>]

00:17:56   so what there's a weird part of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:59   story where it turns out that that she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1079">TS</a>]

00:18:02   making his living dolls for this couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1082">TS</a>]

00:18:04   and it turns out that it's just the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1084">TS</a>]

00:18:05   who's using them and he's using numbers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1085">TS</a>]

00:18:07   like a pickup and pick-up line why I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1087">TS</a>]

00:18:10   grieving my dead child and presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   that that gets him a pity role and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:15   again and on it goes from there it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1095">TS</a>]

00:18:18   just so so strange whole that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1098">TS</a>]

00:18:20   story so strange it is a strange story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1100">TS</a>]

00:18:23   well I i think what it also points out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1103">TS</a>]

00:18:25   is is artist kind of a commodity of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1105">TS</a>]

00:18:28   stable society where where people feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1108">TS</a>]

00:18:30   comfortable spending money because no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1110">TS</a>]

00:18:33   doubt they got in and one of the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1113">TS</a>]

00:18:35   is the guy who ordered the dolls clearly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:36   doesn't appreciate the art in the effort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1116">TS</a>]

00:18:38   that goes into him and as an artist you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:41   can't make a living when the world was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:42   crumbling apart you know the artist one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1122">TS</a>]

00:18:45   of the first casualties of of any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1125">TS</a>]

00:18:46   apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:47   so you doing thing turned to other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1127">TS</a>]

00:18:50   methods right that's got it was just yep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:56   that's the risk you don't really care [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1136">TS</a>]

00:18:57   for that story let's just gotta tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   it's a scary moment to where she goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:00   over to to get her dog girl your dog's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1140">TS</a>]

00:19:04   been found you a relatively nice guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1144">TS</a>]

00:19:05   his like son and his friends are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:08   man out of the desert riding their their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:11   bikes or whatever it is they're there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1151">TS</a>]

00:19:12   for this their motorbikes and he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:15   underdone mom and he basically says just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1155">TS</a>]

00:19:17   don't even look at them don't talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:18   them just get in your truck and drive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1158">TS</a>]

00:19:19   away and you get the sense that although [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:21   these older people are kind of trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1161">TS</a>]

00:19:23   hold with having some sort of society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:25   that everybody below a certain age [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1165">TS</a>]

00:19:28   pretty much is just completely lawless [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1168">TS</a>]

00:19:29   and scary and and and dangerous and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:32   oh yeah there's a there's a lot of that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1172">TS</a>]

00:19:34   story actually I'm where it's the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:36   parents of the girl who's pregnant my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:39   camera that Cheryl's your name Cynthia [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1179">TS</a>]

00:19:41   but they mention that the inside the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1181">TS</a>]

00:19:44   house it was like a flashback to 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   years ago because they have this working [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:47   flat screen TV and it's air-conditioned [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1187">TS</a>]

00:19:49   the surfaces are all cleaning the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:50   refrigerator is packed and there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1190">TS</a>]

00:19:52   line in there about how these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:56   still regarded thoughtful liberalism is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1196">TS</a>]

00:19:58   their birthright and the narrator had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:01   two until she realized it was her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1201">TS</a>]

00:20:03   generations burden to be born in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1203">TS</a>]

00:20:04   interesting times and it was just it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1204">TS</a>]

00:20:08   just a really nice really scraping [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10   throwaway Sherry's name of the woman i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:12   looking it up now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1212">TS</a>]

00:20:13   oh i thought this life of thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:17   here's the one I thought this life of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1217">TS</a>]

00:20:18   thoughtful liberalism was my birthright [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1218">TS</a>]

00:20:20   before I understood my generation was to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1220">TS</a>]

00:20:22   be born in interesting times and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1222">TS</a>]

00:20:24   points out that like you said you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1224">TS</a>]

00:20:26   for older it if it could be seen almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1226">TS</a>]

00:20:28   as a veiled indictment of say the baby [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:30   boomers who are you know certainly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1230">TS</a>]

00:20:33   pretty comfortable with their paid for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:34   houses and the jobs they refuse to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1234">TS</a>]

00:20:36   retire from well in younger generations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:39   you've got crazy high rates of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1239">TS</a>]

00:20:40   unemployment and people are questioning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1240">TS</a>]

00:20:43   the need to build families in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:46   traditional two-parent family structures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1246">TS</a>]

00:20:47   and and things like that you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:49   it's just this huge social gulf between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:51   older generations and younger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:53   generations thanks the actions of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:54   generation and not necessarily the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1254">TS</a>]

00:20:56   younger one now so uh John what did you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1256">TS</a>]

00:21:00   think of the the kingdom of the blind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1260">TS</a>]

00:21:03   yarra you're a technology guy and a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:05   computer and a programmer that that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1265">TS</a>]

00:21:07   was I thought interesting in that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:09   trying to portray not not so much the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1269">TS</a>]

00:21:13   end of the world but at an emergence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1273">TS</a>]

00:21:17   computer intelligence which I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1277">TS</a>]

00:21:19   was an interesting attempt to say it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1279">TS</a>]

00:21:20   not going to be like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:22   you know it if there's an artificial [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:24   intelligence that kind of emerges it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1284">TS</a>]

00:21:25   not going to be like what you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   think from a movie or a TV show it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:30   going to be weird and hard to understand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1290">TS</a>]

00:21:32   the people aren't going to really get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:33   did that did that work for you or did it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1293">TS</a>]

00:21:36   not work for you it the closer she got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1296">TS</a>]

00:21:38   to trying to explain what was actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1298">TS</a>]

00:21:41   going on the worst things got so she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1301">TS</a>]

00:21:43   should not have tried to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1303">TS</a>]

00:21:45   summer teenies or the actual work that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:48   the programmers were doing anything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:49   that the actual activities of the Dai in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1309">TS</a>]

00:21:52   terms of rolling the lights and taking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1312">TS</a>]

00:21:54   data input like in broad strokes that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1314">TS</a>]

00:21:57   fine everything works and is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1317">TS</a>]

00:21:58   interesting idea [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1318">TS</a>]

00:21:59   yeah i thought that was cool it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1319">TS</a>]

00:22:00   what's what the hell's going on and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:02   only later they have get that she should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   have her got a consultant in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:05   because there are systems where there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1325">TS</a>]

00:22:07   are complicated enough that and have so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1327">TS</a>]

00:22:10   many different inputs that is difficult [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1330">TS</a>]

00:22:11   to for someone to wrap their head around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:12   but the way she described them is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1332">TS</a>]

00:22:15   really doesn't have any basis in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1335">TS</a>]

00:22:16   anything I you know it's like she got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:18   some like a cobol programmer from 1960 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1338">TS</a>]

00:22:20   to talk to our and then like one time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1340">TS</a>]

00:22:23   she wrote 10 print hello 22 yeah I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1343">TS</a>]

00:22:27   gonna say syntax error in 30 and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1347">TS</a>]

00:22:28   the lights went out in the basic program [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:31   is alive but that's just because i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:34   going to a computer nerd i bet other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36   other people probably thought it was too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:37   esoteric so that I think there was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1357">TS</a>]

00:22:39   seed of a good short story in there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1359">TS</a>]

00:22:42   I'm just glad that in that story the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:43   female was not sexually menaced which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1363">TS</a>]

00:22:46   a rarity for this short story collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:48   and I suppose there is manager there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1368">TS</a>]

00:22:52   menacing route before we leave this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1372">TS</a>]

00:22:54   behind i wanted to touch on the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:57   story before we as a transition but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1377">TS</a>]

00:23:00   before we do that it is there something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1380">TS</a>]

00:23:03   anything left that you observations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:06   about this in general about this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:07   collection that that that you guys would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1387">TS</a>]

00:23:10   want to make I I it was fat it was short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:13   i read it very fast it was short and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1393">TS</a>]

00:23:18   some of the stories i thought oh that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:19   was really interesting because i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:20   sci-fi short stories and others i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1400">TS</a>]

00:23:22   like huh you know so it was it what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:25   about the flying bag for me no way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1405">TS</a>]

00:23:27   people fly in my room I live alone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1407">TS</a>]

00:23:30   they feel away because they needed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32   get on a boat so they were slightly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:34   closer to France friends I like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1414">TS</a>]

00:23:38   story that was the 1i connected with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1418">TS</a>]

00:23:40   least I liked it so much because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1420">TS</a>]

00:23:42   makes absolutely no sense it's okay it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1422">TS</a>]

00:23:44   does make some kind of sense depending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1424">TS</a>]

00:23:46   on what you assume the premises it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1426">TS</a>]

00:23:49   so it explain please [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1429">TS</a>]

00:23:51   well I don't know what do you have what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:54   is you worry each of your takes on on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1434">TS</a>]

00:23:55   that story is there something that some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:57   sort of backstory that you can come up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:58   with it makes the story start to make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1438">TS</a>]

00:24:00   some kind of sense [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1440">TS</a>]

00:24:01   no nothing it's almost like a mental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:05   contagion that people got some sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1445">TS</a>]

00:24:08   mimetic virus is the only thing i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1448">TS</a>]

00:24:10   think of it was it was like in 24-hour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:12   flu only with a dumb idea I i figured [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1452">TS</a>]

00:24:14   it's like they're like super people and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   the super people are going to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:17   France and we had come in contact with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1457">TS</a>]

00:24:19   the super people you get kind of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1459">TS</a>]

00:24:21   for hot up into the the wanting to go to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1461">TS</a>]

00:24:24   France and being with the super people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:25   like they rub off on you yeah you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1465">TS</a>]

00:24:27   go to superheroes like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1467">TS</a>]

00:24:29   probably place you just give some yeah I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1469">TS</a>]

00:24:31   know soon as you see flying could be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1471">TS</a>]

00:24:33   great to I went to of course the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1473">TS</a>]

00:24:35   ending of the thing where he's talking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1475">TS</a>]

00:24:36   about the seeing somebody someone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:40   running in front of an SUV or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:41   and and like time sort of stops and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1481">TS</a>]

00:24:44   running person had one foot off the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   ground but his left foot wiggle back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:48   forth on his ankle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:49   it's like you they're all in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:51   simulation in the simulation is pause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1491">TS</a>]

00:24:53   but it's glitching back and forth from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1493">TS</a>]

00:24:55   you know frame 2720 27-28 that type of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1495">TS</a>]

00:24:58   things like to I saw it all as a virtual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1498">TS</a>]

00:25:01   reality thing where they're all in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1501">TS</a>]

00:25:03   simulation and the simulation is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:05   breaking down and everyone going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1505">TS</a>]

00:25:08   France it means the title it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   something you from prison for something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:11   while I don't need to go to France and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1511">TS</a>]

00:25:13   some some sort of virtual reality based [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:15   reasoning that makes sense within the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1515">TS</a>]

00:25:16   game world but everything's all messed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:17   up and since they're this is how would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1517">TS</a>]

00:25:20   be like if you thought the game world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:21   was the real world and it was getting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1521">TS</a>]

00:25:23   all confused you know sooner or later we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   all go to France [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:26   yeah and the imagery at the end people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1526">TS</a>]

00:25:27   flying works in virtual world in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1527">TS</a>]

00:25:29   imagery the end it was too i was it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31   strangely described i think it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:32   trying to get to that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1532">TS</a>]

00:25:34   pause jumping back and forth between [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1534">TS</a>]

00:25:36   frames kind of glitch so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:38   but I mean I I thought that was the most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1538">TS</a>]

00:25:40   interesting of the stories also yes the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:43   it holds together the least but at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1543">TS</a>]

00:25:45   let me at least let me fill in something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   and decide what I think nice right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   so overall overall what's what's what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:55   your take on this collection Scott what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1555">TS</a>]

00:25:57   do you think well I I'm just a small by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1557">TS</a>]

00:26:00   the way it is my fault and I'm okay with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:03   that because I enjoyed it i thought they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1563">TS</a>]

00:26:04   were they were very interesting stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1564">TS</a>]

00:26:06   the last story of course incredibly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   depressing but overall it was worth you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:14   know that was that was not good but in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1574">TS</a>]

00:26:16   good way it was and what is it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:18   bittersweet but not really speed also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1578">TS</a>]

00:26:21   it's just been a yeah I was gonna say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1581">TS</a>]

00:26:22   where the sweet medic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24   I don't like kids so you know I just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:29   but overall I enjoyed it i thought as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1589">TS</a>]

00:26:32   well written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:33   interesting i like the fact that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1593">TS</a>]

00:26:36   apocalypse over the apocalypses weren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1596">TS</a>]

00:26:40   really the focus of the stories they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   were just kind of a set into motion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:43   other things so it wasn't like you oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1603">TS</a>]

00:26:45   look there's zombies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47   let's run away but that you know she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:50   thinking about what would happen in and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1610">TS</a>]

00:26:52   kind of make them more personal look [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   there's zombies let's kill other people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   and use them to test the zombies and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:58   know about the zombies exactly but there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1618">TS</a>]

00:27:01   are only want one zombie story which was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   good right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:04   that is a relief Lisa what about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1624">TS</a>]

00:27:06   what do you think of the collection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1626">TS</a>]

00:27:09   well depressing as hell but yeah you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:12   know when I got my first take on it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1632">TS</a>]

00:27:15   I couldn't stop thinking about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:18   stories and what I liked about them was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1638">TS</a>]

00:27:22   how they were really well-drawn [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:23   character studies because many of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1643">TS</a>]

00:27:25   people are people you would want to talk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:27   to or know or be friends with but you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1647">TS</a>]

00:27:30   find themselves kind of understanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1650">TS</a>]

00:27:32   them and even feeling a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1652">TS</a>]

00:27:33   sympathetic for them and I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1653">TS</a>]

00:27:35   the sign of a good writer where she can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1655">TS</a>]

00:27:37   make someone comprehensible and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1657">TS</a>]

00:27:39   relatable to you even if there's nothing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:41   in your experiences that that you have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1661">TS</a>]

00:27:43   in common and i think that one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1663">TS</a>]

00:27:46   accused strength is she writes about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:49   working-class people and folks who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:51   on the economic edge in a way that a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1671">TS</a>]

00:27:54   of sci-fi authors don't do it for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:58   example if you read John barley he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:01   touches on a similar theme but his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1681">TS</a>]

00:28:03   people are almost always insane [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1683">TS</a>]

00:28:04   resourceful and they happen to be oh i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   don't know like Motel clerks who are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:07   also rocket scientist to spare time and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1687">TS</a>]

00:28:09   they have an uncle who's a survivalist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   so they'll be fine no matter what or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:14   they'll be William Gibson where there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:15   some eccentric Japanese billionaire who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:17   hands of an AI box and next thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1697">TS</a>]

00:28:19   know they're in a world of gilded [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1699">TS</a>]

00:28:20   privilege and this is the exact opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:23   of that and the only other author i can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:25   think of who does something similar is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1705">TS</a>]

00:28:27   Nancy crest who also talks about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1707">TS</a>]

00:28:30   it's like to be an extra on the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1710">TS</a>]

00:28:33   stage of history when these bright and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1713">TS</a>]

00:28:35   shiny privileged people are doing things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1715">TS</a>]

00:28:37   that does that do in the world as we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1717">TS</a>]

00:28:38   know it so I I think it's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40   valuable contribution and I'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:42   continue seeking out her work but i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1722">TS</a>]

00:28:44   going to have to make sure i'm in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:45   really good mental place before I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1725">TS</a>]

00:28:47   because you will be afterwards [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1727">TS</a>]

00:28:50   John what do you thank you you are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1730">TS</a>]

00:28:53   don't read a lot of stuff because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:55   not a high-volume reader this was short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1735">TS</a>]

00:28:57   yeah i like the fact that was short and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   I do read a lot of short story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:00   collections and i usually have queued up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1740">TS</a>]

00:29:02   those a year's best fantasy and cyclic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1742">TS</a>]

00:29:05   ends for many years past me that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07   know like I haven't read them all so I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:08   read i'll read them from like 2001 if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1748">TS</a>]

00:29:10   have no just go back and those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   collections have kind of spoiled me for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   collections like this because they those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:15   are by different authors so if you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1755">TS</a>]

00:29:17   like one author you want a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1757">TS</a>]

00:29:19   taste you know the next door is going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1759">TS</a>]

00:29:22   be different and be i think the take to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1762">TS</a>]

00:29:25   get into those collections that usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1765">TS</a>]

00:29:27   they want you to have either a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1767">TS</a>]

00:29:31   interesting premise especially for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1771">TS</a>]

00:29:33   the syfy ones or a really tight little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:36   narrative and these stories don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:39   have the premises are not that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1779">TS</a>]

00:29:40   interesting like the one of these movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   stand alone on their premises and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:43   narratives are definitely not beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1783">TS</a>]

00:29:45   middle and tight little short stories a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:48   business theme running through all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   them and I kind of like a a a picture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:52   that she wants to paint but there's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1792">TS</a>]

00:29:55   this is the sameness after a while after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1795">TS</a>]

00:29:57   eight or nine stories are I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1797">TS</a>]

00:29:59   could have gotten away with like three [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:01   of these and then had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:02   another author do the other you know six [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1802">TS</a>]

00:30:04   or seven how many even are there and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1804">TS</a>]

00:30:06   this thing that the ss10 especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1806">TS</a>]

00:30:08   economics is actually in the year's best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:10   science fiction collection I'd read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1810">TS</a>]

00:30:11   before and that one actually seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:14   some sort of structurally the most like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1814">TS</a>]

00:30:16   those kinds of stories and that it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1816">TS</a>]

00:30:18   tighter it's got the the bird flu [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1818">TS</a>]

00:30:20   apocalypse but it's also about you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1820">TS</a>]

00:30:22   Chinese labor conditions and and they've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:24   got the you know she gets a fab phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1824">TS</a>]

00:30:27   and so it's definitely in the in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   future but you know and that they meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:31   the guy who who have wants to steal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:34   their their bio electronic box and all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1834">TS</a>]

00:30:37   that that seems like an interesting kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:39   of slice of future extrapolation that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1839">TS</a>]

00:30:41   much more like the kind of stories that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1841">TS</a>]

00:30:42   I expect to see in those collections [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:44   than some of these other pieces which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1844">TS</a>]

00:30:46   are much more kind of a bleak and odd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1846">TS</a>]

00:30:49   but I'm looking for out of Adam short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:52   story collection i want more likeable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1852">TS</a>]

00:30:54   characters or more interesting premises [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:56   or more variety so this kind of was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1856">TS</a>]

00:30:59   black to me more of the same yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1859">TS</a>]

00:31:03   everybody dies so so yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:06   thatthat's I I sort of feel that way to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1866">TS</a>]

00:31:08   it is that it's tough being used to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:10   having a kind of very short story diet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1870">TS</a>]

00:31:12   to have these be all variations on a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1872">TS</a>]

00:31:15   theme and I can definitely see their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1875">TS</a>]

00:31:17   various variations on a theme but ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1877">TS</a>]

00:31:20   didn't really do it for me I'm glad I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1880">TS</a>]

00:31:22   glad it was short it certainly they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:25   I didn't feel like I was struggling to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1885">TS</a>]

00:31:27   read them but it didn't really it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:30   really throw me what I what I actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1890">TS</a>]

00:31:32   liked you know I i will remember the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1892">TS</a>]

00:31:34   naturalist because it is kind of an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1894">TS</a>]

00:31:36   interesting idea of these the zombie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1896">TS</a>]

00:31:38   prison that's collective a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1898">TS</a>]

00:31:40   different kind of take on zombies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1900">TS</a>]

00:31:42   will just throw the president the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1902">TS</a>]

00:31:44   zombies and see what happens and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1904">TS</a>]

00:31:47   after the apocalypse the reason I the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:49   last story which appears only I believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1909">TS</a>]

00:31:52   in this collection and as in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1912">TS</a>]

00:31:54   collections name for it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1914">TS</a>]

00:31:55   the reason I wanted to use that as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1915">TS</a>]

00:31:57   segue is that it it seemed to me to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1917">TS</a>]

00:32:00   almost be a a conscious reference to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1920">TS</a>]

00:32:06   road by cormac mccarthy in that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1926">TS</a>]

00:32:09   does everything exactly the opposite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:11   yeah it's an inversion right so it's but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1931">TS</a>]

00:32:13   it's it's it's a mother and daughter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1933">TS</a>]

00:32:14   instead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:15   father and son they're still apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:18   although it's not as as utterly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:20   apocalyptic as as in the McCarthy novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1940">TS</a>]

00:32:23   but I one of the things that I love I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1943">TS</a>]

00:32:27   mean them so the road dark i have all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1947">TS</a>]

00:32:30   you read the road have no Scott because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:35   I I i had no rights so I fell and John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:40   has the why I'm okay with being spoiled [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1960">TS</a>]

00:32:43   on without so feel free [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1963">TS</a>]

00:32:44   well let me as a road and into the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:47   it's bleak and it's bleak yes indeed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1967">TS</a>]

00:32:49   deep dark and i love it i is one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1969">TS</a>]

00:32:52   best books I've ever read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:53   I I it is one of my favorites it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1973">TS</a>]

00:32:55   super dark but I'm okay with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1975">TS</a>]

00:32:57   I I feel like I actually have a problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1977">TS</a>]

00:32:59   with a lot of these apocalypse stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1979">TS</a>]

00:33:01   because I feel like they don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1981">TS</a>]

00:33:03   that their their their fantasies that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1983">TS</a>]

00:33:05   they imagine a level of the society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1985">TS</a>]

00:33:09   holding itself together and people being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1989">TS</a>]

00:33:11   decent that I don't believe would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1991">TS</a>]

00:33:13   actually be the case I actually believed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   it would be far more horrific than most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   of these especially in movies and TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:18   shows you see like The Walking Dead is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/1998">TS</a>]

00:33:21   good example is like The Walking Dead is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:24   too gentle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:25   I think it's too easy it would be much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2005">TS</a>]

00:33:27   more brutal and horrible and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:29   probably don't want to show that so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:30   road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2010">TS</a>]

00:33:31   father and son just like mother and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:32   daughter in that last story the big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2012">TS</a>]

00:33:34   difference is it the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2014">TS</a>]

00:33:36   despite all of its bleakness it's about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:39   it's about a parent's love for their [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2019">TS</a>]

00:33:40   child and unconditional love and wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2020">TS</a>]

00:33:43   to protect their child that's what it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2023">TS</a>]

00:33:45   about it it I that's why I find it so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:47   moving even with everything else taken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2027">TS</a>]

00:33:50   out of the world it's about that after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:53   the apocalypse the story is inverted not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:55   only because its mother and daughter but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2035">TS</a>]

00:33:56   because it's the mother just doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2036">TS</a>]

00:33:59   really she's annoyed by her daughter and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2039">TS</a>]

00:34:01   doesn't really care and abandons her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2041">TS</a>]

00:34:03   that's just what I didn't even bleaker [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2043">TS</a>]

00:34:06   view then the road though because you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2046">TS</a>]

00:34:08   saying yeah this is brewed were also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2048">TS</a>]

00:34:10   selfish that yeah well this was this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   a selfish woman you could tell before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:13   the apocalypse she was not a great you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2053">TS</a>]

00:34:15   know like I boarded the first one the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2055">TS</a>]

00:34:17   second one you know it's stubborn had it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2057">TS</a>]

00:34:20   but then you tips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2060">TS</a>]

00:34:21   this is the show you all yeah this was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:23   bad mother before the apocalypse and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2063">TS</a>]

00:34:25   after what a surprise she continues to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2065">TS</a>]

00:34:27   be a bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2067">TS</a>]

00:34:28   listen to me i was amazing she was is at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   stuck with her daughter for as long as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:31   she did but when we need her she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2071">TS</a>]

00:34:34   complaining about her daughter but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:35   you're right so in that way it is bleep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2075">TS</a>]

00:34:37   horrible justification she makes where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:39   she's like I ran away from home for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:40   first time when I was just yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2080">TS</a>]

00:34:41   overnight was my mind and I'm thinking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:43   yeah I'm gonna get you know you read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:45   away the stable a country where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:47   didn't have refugee camps and you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   abandoning this child to a stranger you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:53   know it was right where some in the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55   you know there is nothing there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:57   nothing left and the only thing there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2097">TS</a>]

00:34:59   that the father is taking care of of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2099">TS</a>]

00:35:02   son of his child no it's completely yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2102">TS</a>]

00:35:05   everything else is broken down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   completely like everything like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:09   photosynthesis has broken nothing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2109">TS</a>]

00:35:12   everything is dangerous and everybody's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   cold and miserable and it's just yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16   yeah very different than this where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:19   like oh there might be a scary person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2119">TS</a>]

00:35:20   house ok let's run over fine now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:23   yeah right i want to bring up the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2123">TS</a>]

00:35:25   because i think that that when i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:26   reading the this collection that was the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2126">TS</a>]

00:35:28   the book that came back to me is I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:31   a a great exploration of that end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:35   world feeling and that if I had to pick [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2135">TS</a>]

00:35:38   a favorite on this topic that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2138">TS</a>]

00:35:41   certainly be it not only like I said not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:44   only because yes i am i find it really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:46   touching that in the midst of all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2146">TS</a>]

00:35:48   darkness it really is about a father a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2148">TS</a>]

00:35:51   loving his son and Cormac McCarthy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2151">TS</a>]

00:35:54   dedicated the book to his son but that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2154">TS</a>]

00:35:58   it also i thought was a real a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2158">TS</a>]

00:36:01   accurate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   I don't know I to me seemed believable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:04   poor trail of just how awful and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2164">TS</a>]

00:36:09   miserable people would be put in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2169">TS</a>]

00:36:11   circumstance like that its unflinching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:13   and saying people with your horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2173">TS</a>]

00:36:15   things they will kill each other they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:17   will each other they will farm each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2177">TS</a>]

00:36:20   other they will do they will do anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:22   to survive and you know don't pretend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:25   that that it wouldn't come to that if it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:27   had to which is really depressing but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2187">TS</a>]

00:36:29   think it's true it's also much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:32   writer I think I mean but what he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   in that book of the way his weird style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:35   that he has and how its describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2195">TS</a>]

00:36:37   situation no commas and very few and no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2197">TS</a>]

00:36:40   quotes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2200">TS</a>]

00:36:41   one explanation marks reading other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:42   stories that are steps that are similar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2202">TS</a>]

00:36:44   premise where people are like on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2204">TS</a>]

00:36:46   road like those them in that after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   apocalypse they're traveling why they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:50   traveling well what else you gonna do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2210">TS</a>]

00:36:51   you gotta go somewhere because you think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:52   so everything's better than anywhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2212">TS</a>]

00:36:53   else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2213">TS</a>]

00:36:54   everything's better in Canada yeah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:55   and you know they're just describing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:58   everything that goes on and the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:00   discussions between a mother and a child [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2220">TS</a>]

00:37:01   crying McCarthy makes it look so easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:03   where he is going to use quotation marks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2223">TS</a>]

00:37:05   and it's it's it's amazing the stuff [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2225">TS</a>]

00:37:08   that he gets across in that book in such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:11   a small amount of time that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2231">TS</a>]

00:37:12   authors ramble on and on trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   express what he expresses in like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:16   exchange of seven unquoted things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2236">TS</a>]

00:37:18   we think might be said but possibly also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2238">TS</a>]

00:37:20   thought that was a real you know he's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2240">TS</a>]

00:37:22   great writer so that's that's a level [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:24   above when I like one great writers take [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:27   on a topic that is nerdy you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2247">TS</a>]

00:37:29   the end of the world or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2249">TS</a>]

00:37:30   because you get the best of both worlds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2250">TS</a>]

00:37:32   yeah yeah Scott you read the road where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:36   you'd thoroughly depressed her I i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:39   the road immediately after i read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2259">TS</a>]

00:37:41   after the apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:42   oh my was Oh further depressed arm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2262">TS</a>]

00:37:46   I'm glad you're still with us come out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48   now it's all gonna be over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:52   no I mean you know it's hard to prepare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:55   anything to Cormac McCarthy oh because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2275">TS</a>]

00:37:58   it's jon said he's such a brilliant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2278">TS</a>]

00:37:59   writer that I think any book about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:02   apocalypse compared to the road will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:04   suffer greatly because he's a genius and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2284">TS</a>]

00:38:07   very few people are a Maureen with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2287">TS</a>]

00:38:10   is a fine writer but she is not as good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:13   a writer as he is so he takes something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2293">TS</a>]

00:38:15   that is a fairly cliché kind of premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2295">TS</a>]

00:38:19   right if you make something that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:20   beautiful and special and amazing where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:24   she takes some interesting premises and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2304">TS</a>]

00:38:27   make some interesting stories there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2307">TS</a>]

00:38:29   nothing wrong with that but it's just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2309">TS</a>]

00:38:30   whole different level of writing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32   going on right so you like the roads i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:35   didn't realize that was a new read for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2315">TS</a>]

00:38:36   yourself it was because I i bought it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:39   many years ago and I read like 20 pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:40   of it and I said this is way too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2320">TS</a>]

00:38:42   depressing and I picked it up again when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2322">TS</a>]

00:38:45   after i read after the apocalypse and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47   thought well maybe it gets better at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49   and uh i don't know i don't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:53   spoil the ending was earlier for Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2333">TS</a>]

00:38:54   but i would have if she wasn't I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2334">TS</a>]

00:38:57   have discussed but your ball thought of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2337">TS</a>]

00:38:58   the ending and what was actually I no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2338">TS</a>]

00:39:00   please I'm i have no plans to read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2340">TS</a>]

00:39:02   alright because this is this is horrible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2342">TS</a>]

00:39:05   because this is one of the side effects [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:07   of parenthood that no one warned me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2347">TS</a>]

00:39:08   about which is that after you have your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   after I had my child I really can't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   handle child in parallel stories I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:14   can't handle stories where children lose [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2354">TS</a>]

00:39:16   their parents or parents lose their kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2356">TS</a>]

00:39:18   it's just this guy i read i read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2358">TS</a>]

00:39:20   road after i had kids and I i felt i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2360">TS</a>]

00:39:22   understood and appreciated more because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2362">TS</a>]

00:39:24   it spoke I i agree there's a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:27   cheap child in peril stuff that I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2367">TS</a>]

00:39:29   can't take anymore and actually I hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2369">TS</a>]

00:39:31   it now because I I know how cheap it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2371">TS</a>]

00:39:33   and and I didn't feel that way with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:35   road the road to me spoke of a feeling i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2375">TS</a>]

00:39:40   would get this feeling just walking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:41   around with my kids and their be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2381">TS</a>]

00:39:42   somebody coming the other way and we'd [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44   be like on an overpass over freeway and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:46   I think if this person tries to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2386">TS</a>]

00:39:47   something to me I will kill them because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:49   i have my children right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2389">TS</a>]

00:39:51   I am so yeah I I just I've had that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2391">TS</a>]

00:39:53   moment a few times where it's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2393">TS</a>]

00:39:55   will do anything to protect my children [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2395">TS</a>]

00:39:56   and the road it in a better way I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2396">TS</a>]

00:40:00   that any other piece of art I've ever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2400">TS</a>]

00:40:02   seen it speaks to that feeling that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2402">TS</a>]

00:40:05   just final visceral feeling that I will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2405">TS</a>]

00:40:07   do anything I can for my children now at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:11   the end of the road [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:13   I know the father of the father finally [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2413">TS</a>]

00:40:17   succumbs to whatever terrible elements [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2417">TS</a>]

00:40:19   and he gets hurt in the side he gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   shot or pierced by and he was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:24   die from long island anyway [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2424">TS</a>]

00:40:26   yeah we guys he dies at the end he tells [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2426">TS</a>]

00:40:29   lies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:29   yeah and then but there's the man on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2429">TS</a>]

00:40:31   beach or whatever goes over to the Sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2431">TS</a>]

00:40:32   and says you know come with us and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:35   the question the end of the book is is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:36   that guy on the up-and-up or is the Sun [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:40   going to be tomorrow night's dinner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2440">TS</a>]

00:40:41   right because they've got it sits him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   and a woman and two kids [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45   yeah so that they you know in theory [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   their family but you know and he and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:51   said well it goes far enough that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2451">TS</a>]

00:40:53   talks about how the woman talks a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2453">TS</a>]

00:40:55   about god and he doesn't really talk to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2455">TS</a>]

00:40:57   God but he he's gonna ask her first okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2457">TS</a>]

00:40:59   that he can talk to his dad who's dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:01   but he's going to talk to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2461">TS</a>]

00:41:03   and see there there is that it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2463">TS</a>]

00:41:06   hopeful and ending as you're ever going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   to get out of that book was the thing is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   a setup and all the things that had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:12   happened during the course of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:13   set you up to understand that things are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2473">TS</a>]

00:41:16   not what they seem and that everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2476">TS</a>]

00:41:18   you think is normal is not so when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2478">TS</a>]

00:41:19   you're presented with this at the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:20   there's no way you you're put into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2480">TS</a>]

00:41:23   shoes of the kid and you're like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2483">TS</a>]

00:41:25   know don't believe it kid and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2485">TS</a>]

00:41:26   haven't you been paying attention for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2486">TS</a>]

00:41:28   the past 200 pages you know dont thats [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:30   exactly but no don't go but on the other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2490">TS</a>]

00:41:32   hand is gonna die on his own anyways I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:34   sup so we just this poor kid out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2494">TS</a>]

00:41:36   he's forced to go i was so meet well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2496">TS</a>]

00:41:38   that's that that's the happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2498">TS</a>]

00:41:39   wow that's good for me I that that for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2499">TS</a>]

00:41:44   me the end of that book is all about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:45   lowered standards at the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2505">TS</a>]

00:41:47   world that that's the happy ending at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:49   the Hat is like well they're not eating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2509">TS</a>]

00:41:51   me immediately they write that might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:54   protect me and not eat me and but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2514">TS</a>]

00:41:58   but by knowing what you know about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2518">TS</a>]

00:42:00   everything else that's happened you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2520">TS</a>]

00:42:02   don't go in saying oh it's gonna be fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04   you're like know it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:06   watch yourself don't trust them maybe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:09   this will be okay maybe it won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2529">TS</a>]

00:42:11   waiting at the same time it's like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2531">TS</a>]

00:42:13   best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2533">TS</a>]

00:42:14   yeah yeah could sneak up to the stink up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:16   to the little one little denied him with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2536">TS</a>]

00:42:18   a rock you know its best the best you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2538">TS</a>]

00:42:21   could you can hope for is this chance [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:24   you're fearing that too that's another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2544">TS</a>]

00:42:26   way they could have gone with that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2546">TS</a>]

00:42:27   that because that the father is trying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2547">TS</a>]

00:42:28   desperately to teach the Sun human [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:31   values and to value human life so we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2551">TS</a>]

00:42:33   not going to be alive right but the kid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2553">TS</a>]

00:42:35   is young so it's like now that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2555">TS</a>]

00:42:36   father's influence isn't there will he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:39   be able to maintain all the things that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2559">TS</a>]

00:42:41   the father tried in part on him over the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   course of the book in the face of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:45   fact that he has to survive and survival [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:46   instincts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2566">TS</a>]

00:42:47   besides which there's the as you read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   you also realize that while its you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   really care about the father and the Son [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:53   staying alive and father protecting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2573">TS</a>]

00:42:55   Sun it's very clear from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:58   surroundings that everyone is not this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2578">TS</a>]

00:43:02   is not a scenario that yeah that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   going to turn around right it will be it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:07   will just continue going downhill until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2587">TS</a>]

00:43:09   the last person is dead right it does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   have that beautiful interlude in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:12   middle though with the bomb shelter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   it's really warm fuzzy center to this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:17   book is the bomb shelter thing where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:19   know it's gonna end it can't last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2599">TS</a>]

00:43:20   forever right fit for this little tiny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:23   brief period of time this that moment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:25   normalcy that they live a whole life and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2605">TS</a>]

00:43:27   you know however there long they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2607">TS</a>]

00:43:28   there week right right well that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:31   that's the also dark but it but also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2611">TS</a>]

00:43:34   beautiful which is really what that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2614">TS</a>]

00:43:36   is that that's kind of McCarthy also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   saying you know what's the point of life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:40   it's that they get they get some time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2620">TS</a>]

00:43:41   together and they're enjoying that thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:43   and you know everybody everybody is born [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:45   everybody dies at the end and in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2625">TS</a>]

00:43:47   middle you hopefully hopefully have a a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2627">TS</a>]

00:43:49   good life and they have the father and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2629">TS</a>]

00:43:50   the Son have that nice little moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2630">TS</a>]

00:43:52   where they find the kind of undiscovered [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2632">TS</a>]

00:43:54   shelter that's can still got some food [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2634">TS</a>]

00:43:57   in it but clearly the way the world is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2637">TS</a>]

00:43:58   going is nobody's making it out alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   they're all just hanging on until they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:03   are all dead or even or eat well with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2643">TS</a>]

00:44:07   your sweet you don't ya depending on how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:11   you're eating they could keep you alive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2651">TS</a>]

00:44:12   for wrong slice off bits and pieces that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:14   you don't need a strip of excited [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2654">TS</a>]

00:44:16   because they're all i got a do that of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2656">TS</a>]

00:44:18   course they do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2658">TS</a>]

00:44:19   oh yeah how way worse the mat so Jesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2659">TS</a>]

00:44:23   house it's dark it's it's a matter of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2663">TS</a>]

00:44:26   food now just just so does anybody else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2666">TS</a>]

00:44:28   have have favorite or or I suppose hate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:32   of examples of apocalyptic stuff that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2672">TS</a>]

00:44:35   you would like to talk about bring and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2675">TS</a>]

00:44:37   bring up and while we're on the subject [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2677">TS</a>]

00:44:38   of depressing things i mentioned Nancy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2678">TS</a>]

00:44:41   cross earlier this is actually think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2681">TS</a>]

00:44:42   that she comes to over and over again to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:44   which is that humanity will eventually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46   screw things up because some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:48   biotechnological experiment will go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2688">TS</a>]

00:44:50   horribly arrived will be killed enough [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2690">TS</a>]

00:44:52   bye-bye genetically modified algae or or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2692">TS</a>]

00:44:56   again somebody will invent an airborne [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:58   cancer that you can catch just by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2698">TS</a>]

00:45:00   sneezing and our her stuff tends to come [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:04   out with how people will deal with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2704">TS</a>]

00:45:06   realization that they're setting foot on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:09   the road as it were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:10   you know one of the conceit seems to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:14   that those of us who have experienced [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2714">TS</a>]

00:45:15   civilization will be taking it a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:17   harder than people who are born into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2717">TS</a>]

00:45:19   lawlessness generating an Arkie since [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2719">TS</a>]

00:45:21   they will never know what they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2721">TS</a>]

00:45:23   missing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   but you know one of my classic ones is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:27   paint a pail of error by Fritz liber [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2727">TS</a>]

00:45:29   which is when the earth has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:31   catastrophic astrological event and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:34   Earth's atmosphere is ripped away and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36   basically there's a small family that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:37   man just survive only by virtue of dad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2737">TS</a>]

00:45:39   having been a climatologist and figuring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2739">TS</a>]

00:45:42   out how to keep the family going but I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2742">TS</a>]

00:45:46   tend to like the short stories but I do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2746">TS</a>]

00:45:50   agree with Jason that most the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52   there's this here's a here's a scientist [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   hiding out in somehow keeping the flame [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56   of civilization goin whereas like him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:59   I'll i suspect that if you if an actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2759">TS</a>]

00:46:01   apocalyptic event were to occur it if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2761">TS</a>]

00:46:04   things would get hideous really quickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:06   you know we would we would also generate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2766">TS</a>]

00:46:08   to lawless anarchy oh yeah it wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:10   take very much i think now this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:11   thing about the walking dead the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   comic-book versus the the TV show is in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:15   the TV show everyone is still fairly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:16   clean and they're saying please and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2776">TS</a>]

00:46:18   thank you and they're very very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2778">TS</a>]

00:46:20   civilized and the the further you get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2780">TS</a>]

00:46:22   into the comic like the worse it gets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   and it actually reflects how people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:26   would probably act if if they were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2786">TS</a>]

00:46:28   waking up every morning in a world that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2788">TS</a>]

00:46:30   was up to kill them right so you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:33   that's that's the thing that I think not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:34   enough Apocalyptica fiction really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2794">TS</a>]

00:46:36   brings home is the idea that that your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2796">TS</a>]

00:46:39   inexplicably left alive in a place that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   wants to kill you and you have the urge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43   to keep going and the question is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:45   will you do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2805">TS</a>]

00:46:46   at what point do your actions to survive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:49   outweigh your value you know as it as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2809">TS</a>]

00:46:52   living person so Scott you have any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2812">TS</a>]

00:46:55   favorite apocalyptic stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2815">TS</a>]

00:46:58   well I i cannot remember the name of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:00   this book which is unfortunate or you'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   fit right in with that many days [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:05   there you go but it was it was written [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:06   in the fifties set after a nuclear war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2826">TS</a>]

00:47:10   where and somehow these the script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:12   people managed to have a house to find a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2832">TS</a>]

00:47:16   house and like the Florida Keys and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2836">TS</a>]

00:47:18   could you know they learned how to farm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:19   and all the stuff and it was just kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2839">TS</a>]

00:47:22   of charging how they held out and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:25   know they had a radio and they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2845">TS</a>]

00:47:26   listening for transmissions and at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   end of the book a helicopter with the US [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:32   flag lands on it and you know a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2852">TS</a>]

00:47:35   comes out dressed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:37   not uniform and the first thing the main [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:39   character asks him is did we win the war [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:42   and the the American soldier says yes we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2862">TS</a>]

00:47:46   did but it as i was reading this is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2866">TS</a>]

00:47:48   nobody won this war if there isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50   pretty clear where everybody loses [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:52   so it's so didn't even more games [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2872">TS</a>]

00:47:54   exactly nobody wins him like a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2874">TS</a>]

00:47:58   was wasn't I yeah yeah he did say that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2878">TS</a>]

00:48:00   you enter that it was a lonely he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2880">TS</a>]

00:48:03   but it was a very pro-america book even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2883">TS</a>]

00:48:07   after you can't you can't stop us with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2887">TS</a>]

00:48:09   your nuclear weapons will be five guys [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2889">TS</a>]

00:48:12   in the Florida Keys will laugh at you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:14   exactly Ivan until the radiation [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2894">TS</a>]

00:48:19   Clarence cloud drifts over and killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:20   yeah yeah well it's the sequel it's much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:24   more depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:25   John do you have any I was trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:29   think of the weirdest apocalypse short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:31   story I read and I i know the story but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2911">TS</a>]

00:48:34   I don't know the title author anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:36   about it and actually I also search [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2916">TS</a>]

00:48:38   toured extensively before the show and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:40   totally can't but maybe Jason you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2920">TS</a>]

00:48:42   read it uh it was very short story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:44   it was in one of those collections i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2924">TS</a>]

00:48:45   think it's a bunch of people who are in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:47   this old house and it's snowing and at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2927">TS</a>]

00:48:51   one point someone goes out into the snow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:53   and then gets ripped into bloody shreds [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2933">TS</a>]

00:48:55   and no one knows what it's about and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2935">TS</a>]

00:48:56   it's a retreat back into the house and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58   like the radio they're not getting radio [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2938">TS</a>]

00:48:59   signals anymore and just snow is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2939">TS</a>]

00:49:01   in the entire planet up and they're all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2941">TS</a>]

00:49:02   trapped in this house and people keep [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   dying gory deaths and it turns out this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   is weird [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:07   invisible snow snake dragon monster is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2947">TS</a>]

00:49:10   killing people and also having sex with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:12   them during any bells anybody there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2952">TS</a>]

00:49:15   after he kills them did during usually I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2955">TS</a>]

00:49:18   oh god it's very it's very very strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:21   if you first you start to reading like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2961">TS</a>]

00:49:23   it's a horror story where there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:24   monster on the loose the second like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2964">TS</a>]

00:49:26   it's science fiction because the end of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:27   the world civilization is breaking down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2967">TS</a>]

00:49:28   and I i like the idea of people being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2968">TS</a>]

00:49:30   trapped in a house that was kind of one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:31   of those you know people going crazy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2971">TS</a>]

00:49:33   trapped in one spot the apocalypse virus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2973">TS</a>]

00:49:35   know is very interesting to me or just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:37   like well it's not stopping snowing but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2977">TS</a>]

00:49:40   you know what what happens now we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2980">TS</a>]

00:49:42   just gonna be buried in snow and strange [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   invisible magic ghost sex dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:49   monsters [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:50   so that was the most interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2990">TS</a>]

00:49:51   apocalyptic had never seen that if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2991">TS</a>]

00:49:53   snow won't get you the invisible dragon [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2993">TS</a>]

00:49:55   monsters will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2995">TS</a>]

00:49:56   yes I and I think Nick and telling let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   me tell you that is not an easy story to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   go before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:01   yeah I know that but then the more sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:06   of a mainstream stuff i'll just go back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   to my Steven catalog and and pick out a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:10   some favorites versus the long walk i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3010">TS</a>]

00:50:13   always liked is a pretty simple premise [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:16   apocalypse the short story and that has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3016">TS</a>]

00:50:20   anyone read The Long Walk is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:21   familiar to anyone know any Lisa while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3021">TS</a>]

00:50:24   the premises that it's one of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:28   nonsensical contest sort of like The [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3028">TS</a>]

00:50:30   Hunger Games where they don't explain or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   anything like that because the short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:33   story and a bumpy ride it yeah people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:36   get together and you walk when you stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:37   walking the shoot you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39   yes and the lab the last one not shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   wins and it's all that story is not much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:44   of a promise right but you know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3044">TS</a>]

00:50:46   like ya know because it's it's it's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:49   wonderful internal story and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3049">TS</a>]

00:50:51   basically about some people struggling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3051">TS</a>]

00:50:53   against the constraints of both external [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3053">TS</a>]

00:50:55   society and the intrinsic biological [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3055">TS</a>]

00:50:57   limits that we all have to live with you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3057">TS</a>]

00:50:58   know it's a great story that great and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3058">TS</a>]

00:51:01   was a great 413 or fine then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   expanded version of that was the running [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:04   man which but uh was that the actual [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:06   star Stephen King story is the one that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3066">TS</a>]

00:51:08   became that Arnold Schwarzenegger movie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:09   with the guy for families not a man yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3069">TS</a>]

00:51:11   yeah well the short story was not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3071">TS</a>]

00:51:13   as schlocky is that but that's what the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3073">TS</a>]

00:51:15   The Naturalist reminded me of because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3075">TS</a>]

00:51:18   you got zombies and you've got to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3078">TS</a>]

00:51:19   preserve and you've got prisoners you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:20   just need cameras and audience and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:23   what's his name who's the family guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3083">TS</a>]

00:51:26   richard Dawson Richard glasses yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29   now who loves you and who do you love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:30   that's all i needed to add to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3090">TS</a>]

00:51:31   naturalist there that I i do like short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3091">TS</a>]

00:51:35   stories for apocalyptic stuff because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3095">TS</a>]

00:51:36   really it's like I don't you don't need [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3096">TS</a>]

00:51:38   to explain how it happened i don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3098">TS</a>]

00:51:39   really know really know how it comes out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3099">TS</a>]

00:51:41   just in the middle give me that part and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:43   so that works well for short stories I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3103">TS</a>]

00:51:44   mean that we we mentioned on the Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3104">TS</a>]

00:51:46   King podcast last on the stand is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:48   a an apocalyptic yeah that's that's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3108">TS</a>]

00:51:50   beginning middle and end thing but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3110">TS</a>]

00:51:52   need two thousand message of that and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:53   the beginning I mean I really love the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3113">TS</a>]

00:51:55   beginning of the stand because really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3115">TS</a>]

00:51:58   before the the the being plotted the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3118">TS</a>]

00:52:00   street [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:01   goes into gear he gets to spend some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:04   time destroying the world basically yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3124">TS</a>]

00:52:07   that's not the good kind of apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:09   where you kill everybody because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3129">TS</a>]

00:52:10   the key to the apocalypse is if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3130">TS</a>]

00:52:12   leave people around either alive or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3132">TS</a>]

00:52:14   zombies then it's just bad and they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3134">TS</a>]

00:52:15   kill each other bad things happen to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   killed pretty much everybody's like my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:19   separately right yeah except for like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3139">TS</a>]

00:52:21   couple hundred thousand people then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3141">TS</a>]

00:52:23   got something and especially if you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:25   you didn't destroy everything there's no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3145">TS</a>]

00:52:26   radiation there's no famine and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3146">TS</a>]

00:52:28   no no diseases like everyone alive is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3148">TS</a>]

00:52:30   immune [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3150">TS</a>]

00:52:32   that's pretty good he had the best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3152">TS</a>]

00:52:33   premise for end of the world but you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:35   like yeah no no problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:38   nothing's really broken everything's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3158">TS</a>]

00:52:39   here why can't we live like a civil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3159">TS</a>]

00:52:41   society oh it's that you know well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3161">TS</a>]

00:52:44   the guy changes into a raven maybe put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3164">TS</a>]

00:52:46   damper on there that's why tell me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3166">TS</a>]

00:52:50   something i had to that I wanted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:52   bring up one hellish road one is here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3172">TS</a>]

00:52:56   when everyone is Earth by David Brin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3176">TS</a>]

00:52:59   which it is not a great book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3179">TS</a>]

00:53:01   oh my fuck now oh my god it does feature [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3181">TS</a>]

00:53:05   my a very funny thing which is the plot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:08   is basically some scientists create a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3188">TS</a>]

00:53:09   black hole and moves it drops into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3189">TS</a>]

00:53:12   center of the earth and begins consuming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3192">TS</a>]

00:53:13   the earth slowly I'll do it I what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3193">TS</a>]

00:53:17   you're gonna do it science [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:18   he's got a savage computer hacker on one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3198">TS</a>]

00:53:21   side and the gay hypothesis loving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:23   hippie on the other and it all works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3203">TS</a>]

00:53:25   oh yeah and turns out the world doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   add bicycle wacky stages and turtles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:30   into the like all because then just and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3210">TS</a>]

00:53:32   that's what brings only have you heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   the husband James it's black holes all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:35   the way down Johnny I have not read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   postman ok that's his really that's his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:40   dark matter that is I want to disturb [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:42   but I just like the idea that that the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3222">TS</a>]

00:53:43   movie that will seminal hope we so we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:47   made a black hole the good news good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3227">TS</a>]

00:53:49   news figured out how to make a black [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3229">TS</a>]

00:53:51   hole bad news going to consume the earth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3231">TS</a>]

00:53:53   sorry we got a good eye and I'm gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3233">TS</a>]

00:53:56   like when worlds collide it's like I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3236">TS</a>]

00:53:58   a rocket i'm leaving bye see ya takin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3238">TS</a>]

00:54:01   the other the other 1i want to mention i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3241">TS</a>]

00:54:03   think i mentioned this in a previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3243">TS</a>]

00:54:04   podcast it's it's a the second book in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3244">TS</a>]

00:54:07   series by john barnes the first book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:10   a million open doors which I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3250">TS</a>]

00:54:11   loved about actually been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:14   currently-reading that I like this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3254">TS</a>]

00:54:16   series you gave me this series my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   birthday one year i think i did well the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:21   second book is really depressing haha [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3261">TS</a>]

00:54:23   it's called Earth made of glass dad's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:27   about to in this in this series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3267">TS</a>]

00:54:29   different cultures of current and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:34   extinct actually cultures are seated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3274">TS</a>]

00:54:36   across all these habitable planets in in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3276">TS</a>]

00:54:39   in space so you have these various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:41   cultures and and this one planet has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:44   these two essentially incompatible [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3284">TS</a>]

00:54:47   culture sharing it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:48   there-there tamil zand there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3288">TS</a>]

00:54:51   reconstituted basically Mayan cold and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:54   they're at each other's throats and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3294">TS</a>]

00:54:56   main characters in this in this series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3296">TS</a>]

00:54:58   are basically like interstellar [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3298">TS</a>]

00:55:00   diplomats the the premise is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3300">TS</a>]

00:55:02   clever the idea is that it used to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3302">TS</a>]

00:55:05   interstellar travel took hundreds of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   years and so these all these cultures [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   were essentially completely cut off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:10   which is why they sort of built the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3310">TS</a>]

00:55:12   built society the way they did where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   they have these different cultures going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:15   and going out to run on their own except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3315">TS</a>]

00:55:18   inconvenient somebody creates a device [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3318">TS</a>]

00:55:22   that lets you step through a portal from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   one planet to another and it causes huge [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:27   culture clashes and its really an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   interesting idea anyway earth made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   made a blast these diplomats come to try [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   and settle the dispute between these two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:36   cultures and it doesn't go well and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3336">TS</a>]

00:55:40   and I i think that i think the book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3340">TS</a>]

00:55:43   worth reading anyway but i'm going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:44   spoil it here which is essentially at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3344">TS</a>]

00:55:47   the end they all launched like they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:48   gamma 1 gamma ray beams and I they it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3348">TS</a>]

00:55:53   unclear but the diplomats who escaped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3353">TS</a>]

00:55:56   right at the very end it believe that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:59   nobody is left alive and if there is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:01   anybody left alive there are very few [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3361">TS</a>]

00:56:03   people left alive these to get a lion [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3363">TS</a>]

00:56:05   culture goodbye town yeah kill each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3365">TS</a>]

00:56:07   other they could date they they refused [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3367">TS</a>]

00:56:10   to its brinkmanship right they hate each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:13   other they refused to negotiate with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:14   each other you can draw the parallel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3374">TS</a>]

00:56:16   with all sorts of different examples on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3376">TS</a>]

00:56:17   modern-day planet earth and in the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3377">TS</a>]

00:56:20   they kill each other because there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22   nothing they will not live with each [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   other so instead they died together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   it's so depressing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:27   yet brilliant i thought it was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   great that he went there and then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:30   spend this entire book with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3390">TS</a>]

00:56:32   diplomats trying to stave off [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:33   annihilation of this planet and they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:36   fail [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3396">TS</a>]

00:56:37   yeah anyway so earth made of glass [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:40   i recommend it if you like it if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43   like it dark and that's a good series [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:45   that John Barnes yeah i'm going to read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47   that and I Fallon trivia the name of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:50   book that i was describing its lat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3410">TS</a>]

00:56:52   alas Babylon I was gonna guess that an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:55   hour because i read that book when I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   anyway you were describing like Jesus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:58   sounds familiar to me I wonder if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3418">TS</a>]

00:56:59   last Babylon like I only think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   because that's like the only book i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:03   in school that I can remember but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3423">TS</a>]

00:57:04   actually is it is in fact you were right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:07   yeah yeah we can read that in like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   middle school or something and I had to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   read that in class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:12   oh interesting and the America one yes I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3432">TS</a>]

00:57:16   i was gonna say that sounds a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:17   like on the beach [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:18   yeah that one to which is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3438">TS</a>]

00:57:21   post-apocalyptic Australian [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3441">TS</a>]

00:57:22   post-apocalyptic nukes all about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:25   nukes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:25   yeah yeah australia all about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:28   beaches even after the apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:30   still it means them i'm not the other it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:33   all wikipedia is also reminded me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3453">TS</a>]

00:57:34   probably my favorite apocalyptic story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   which i completely forgot make fall by I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:39   seguro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:40   oh that's that's funny because that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:43   like student that I astronomical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   apocalypse right is good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:47   yeah we are in 2012 that's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:49   old-fashioned mayan calendar pockets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:51   right it is true [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3471">TS</a>]

00:57:52   yeah they're obviously planet is always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:55   illuminated except when is so it has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3475">TS</a>]

00:57:58   like three sons or something and every [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3478">TS</a>]

00:58:00   5,000 years or something that they all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3480">TS</a>]

00:58:02   eclipse at the same time and what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3482">TS</a>]

00:58:04   happened he goes crazy everybody goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:06   crazy except for the the astronomers who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3486">TS</a>]

00:58:09   are locked in the observatory and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:11   you know by the end you certainly are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:14   dead and it was turned into an awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   which was less successful but any other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:19   ends any other worlds we should end the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:22   hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3502">TS</a>]

00:58:23   really about the world and the first 20 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:25   pages and yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3505">TS</a>]

00:58:27   sherry sherry tempers novel the gate to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:29   women's country supposed apocalyptic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3509">TS</a>]

00:58:31   novel where it picks up presumably [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3511">TS</a>]

00:58:35   believe in not radical feminists are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:37   responsible for the resurgence of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3517">TS</a>]

00:58:38   civilization [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:40   and it's a good it's it's it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:44   not a science fiction in the radical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3524">TS</a>]

00:58:47   feminist tradition of the nineteen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:48   seventies rather what she does is she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:50   examines the kind of societies that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3530">TS</a>]

00:58:52   likely to come up if you do have a group [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:54   of women survival is to get together and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3534">TS</a>]

00:58:56   decide these are the rules of our new [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3536">TS</a>]

00:58:57   society going forth and it presents a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3537">TS</a>]

00:59:00   pretty balanced view of of both the pros [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3540">TS</a>]

00:59:02   and the cons and feels pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   realistically with that with the climate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   issues you know what it would be like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:08   have to live in a world that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3548">TS</a>]

00:59:11   effectively enduring nuclear winter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:13   it'sit's and it's one of temper can be a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3553">TS</a>]

00:59:17   hard one to get into because as she's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3557">TS</a>]

00:59:19   gotten deeper into her writing career [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3559">TS</a>]

00:59:20   like she's really began to flow on her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:22   to hobbyhorses big time in her too big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:25   automatic cause celeb RR restrict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:28   repressive gender roles in society both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:29   male and female and environmental [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3569">TS</a>]

00:59:31   degradation but but here that it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3571">TS</a>]

00:59:34   really light touch and it's a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3574">TS</a>]

00:59:35   little story and the kind of thing you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37   could probably get to high school class [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:38   and it would make them think and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:41   it's it's a very gentle post-apocalyptic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:42   book of that makes sense in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3582">TS</a>]

00:59:44   seventies when the there were successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3584">TS</a>]

00:59:48   disaster movies on a disaster movies [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3588">TS</a>]

00:59:51   like the towering inferno and and an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3591">TS</a>]

00:59:55   airport there were some science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3595">TS</a>]

00:59:55   airport there were some science fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3595">TS</a>]

01:00:00   shouldn't disaster books I I most [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:02   notably i'm thinking of Lucifer's hammer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3602">TS</a>]

01:00:05   by Jerry Pournelle and larry niven which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3605">TS</a>]

01:00:07   is about a a comet smacking into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:09   earth but they also did and then they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3609">TS</a>]

01:00:12   did footfall which is very much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   Lucifer's hammer except what if the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:16   comet was pushed by alien who I but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3616">TS</a>]

01:00:21   enjoyed both those books just in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:23   sense like really enjoyed the beginning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:25   of the stand where it's kind of fun to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3625">TS</a>]

01:00:27   see the authors portraying just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3627">TS</a>]

01:00:28   complete devastation of of us of society [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3628">TS</a>]

01:00:32   yeah but in a fantasy sort of way so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3632">TS</a>]

01:00:34   it's not as as depressing as something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3634">TS</a>]

01:00:36   like the road which might be a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3636">TS</a>]

01:00:38   more realistic and i want to mention y [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3638">TS</a>]

01:00:40   the last man the comic which we did a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3640">TS</a>]

01:00:42   podcast about which is about sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:44   half an apocalypse is all the men died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:46   except 11 but none of the women die but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:49   society is then has to deal with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3649">TS</a>]

01:00:52   fact that there are that the half the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3652">TS</a>]

01:00:54   population is gone and and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3654">TS</a>]

01:00:58   actually handled that's a lot of fun in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3658">TS</a>]

01:01:00   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:00   yes and it's a half of the population [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3660">TS</a>]

01:01:02   that actually managed transit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   infrastructure so and run large scale [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:07   and large-scale agriculture so the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3667">TS</a>]

01:01:09   sexism of society is is amusingly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:12   inferred right by the back that all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:16   these jobs have to be picked up because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3676">TS</a>]

01:01:18   what what you know what we're with what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:20   women in positions of power and where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3680">TS</a>]

01:01:22   were they not involved so so you are as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3682">TS</a>]

01:01:27   you as you figure out how they deal with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3687">TS</a>]

01:01:29   it you you were you get to infer from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   that just have sex the our society he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:35   now and you find out why israel in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3695">TS</a>]

01:01:38   Australia are going to end up ruling the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3698">TS</a>]

01:01:39   season when the event happened with is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3699">TS</a>]

01:01:42   where the inevitable wide elastic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3702">TS</a>]

01:01:43   apocalypse it's gonna happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:46   well miss you guys only Scott know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3706">TS</a>]

01:01:49   that's right made alive in my middle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3709">TS</a>]

01:01:51   name is why ya mean these books did make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3711">TS</a>]

01:01:54   me not want to survive an apocalypse I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3714">TS</a>]

01:01:57   don't know what people continue if that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3717">TS</a>]

01:02:00   have if the road of population had dream [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3720">TS</a>]

01:02:02   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:02   I'm not I'm not I'm not going out there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:04   and trying to survive for years a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:07   apocalypse i'm going to want to die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3727">TS</a>]

01:02:09   quickly now I think a Comic Con last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:11   year they asked Robert Kirkman what he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3731">TS</a>]

01:02:13   would do if the walking dead zombie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3733">TS</a>]

01:02:15   apocalypse really happened and he said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3735">TS</a>]

01:02:17   he'd hang himself he said I'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3737">TS</a>]

01:02:20   interested in living in that world the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:22   next it's another biker I could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:24   been inside water virginia which is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3744">TS</a>]

01:02:25   home to Fort Eustis an army base and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:28   handles logistics and it's also home to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3748">TS</a>]

01:02:30   the Norfolk Naval Base in langley air [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3750">TS</a>]

01:02:32   force base and this is back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3752">TS</a>]

01:02:34   nineteen eighties when we were all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3754">TS</a>]

01:02:35   terribly terribly worried about nuclear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:37   weapons and we're talking about it over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3757">TS</a>]

01:02:40   dinner one night and i asked my dad you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3760">TS</a>]

01:02:41   know it is it possible that in debt my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43   dad says cheerfully hobby were one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45   the first areas to be attacked and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   said we could get I think we get in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:49   car and go to the mountains that he goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3769">TS</a>]

01:02:50   no we're gonna get lawn chairs and we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3770">TS</a>]

01:02:52   going to sit out and watch the bombs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3772">TS</a>]

01:02:54   fall because you don't want to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:55   through the aftermath let's go out a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3775">TS</a>]

01:02:56   blaze of glory and that was the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3776">TS</a>]

01:03:00   and that was the world view that my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3780">TS</a>]

01:03:02   parents and curtains going up which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3782">TS</a>]

01:03:03   if there's going to be an apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3783">TS</a>]

01:03:05   type of event just just just go in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:08   first wave there's there's no point in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3788">TS</a>]

01:03:10   living 360 with morgan freeman comes on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3790">TS</a>]

01:03:13   your TV and says we're going to be hit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   by a comet but we've got a system of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:17   caves to protect that don't go to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3797">TS</a>]

01:03:20   caves i go i get my surfboard and I go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3800">TS</a>]

01:03:22   hang out on a balcony and wait for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24   tidal wave to come in and I got hanging [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:26   ten [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3806">TS</a>]

01:03:27   yeah you guys can all die but i'm going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:30   to survive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3810">TS</a>]

01:03:31   John will survive because like see that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3811">TS</a>]

01:03:33   that's the problem with these messages a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3813">TS</a>]

01:03:34   comment it's an astronomical event than [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3814">TS</a>]

01:03:36   you then you just don't mean does it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:37   really matter where you are like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3817">TS</a>]

01:03:39   whole parts toast atmosphere gets blown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:40   off fine but anything man-made even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3820">TS</a>]

01:03:43   nuclear war it's a big planet you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3823">TS</a>]

01:03:45   it like it's probably not going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:46   used it's there but it's gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3826">TS</a>]

01:03:47   somebody like in the Himalayas was been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3827">TS</a>]

01:03:50   living there is whole life for you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3830">TS</a>]

01:03:52   who knows where in some jungle somewhere [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3832">TS</a>]

01:03:54   area that it's a very very very big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3834">TS</a>]

01:03:56   planet and we think about all is the end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3836">TS</a>]

01:03:58   of the world but really most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3838">TS</a>]

01:03:59   stories like it's the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:01   population centers in the United States [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:03   really but some dude in North Dakota's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:05   but no TV no radio will notice for like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3845">TS</a>]

01:04:08   seven years probably you know I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3848">TS</a>]

01:04:10   it's big mighty planet big planet i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3850">TS</a>]

01:04:12   also watching oddly enough Doomsday [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:14   Preppers which is a new show that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3854">TS</a>]

01:04:17   started watching that is better should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:19   be seriously it's just addictive making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3859">TS</a>]

01:04:21   up these show titles now you don't know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3861">TS</a>]

01:04:23   no no I cereal bowl fillers next I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3863">TS</a>]

01:04:27   but that's why I have a piece that I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3867">TS</a>]

01:04:28   working on for TV about how dmca [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:30   Preppers they're basically just like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:31   purpose-driven horrible murders they are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3871">TS</a>]

01:04:33   holy purpose driven orders that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   haven't I have admit an omission which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:37   is we had in our one in one of our barns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3877">TS</a>]

01:04:41   on the property that i grew up on out in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:43   the countryside we had rashes my father [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:48   purchased rack end-of-the-world rations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:51   so that again we would survive and be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:52   miserable for one together you do no no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3892">TS</a>]

01:04:56   it was like it was like fallout shelter [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3896">TS</a>]

01:04:59   yeah offer so for how many weeks do the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:02   math and say assuming all this food is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3902">TS</a>]

01:05:03   good and it's edible and what was you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:06   know I was pretty young i imagine that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:08   they would just you know where bro [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:10   slow-roasted me or something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:12   no I'm good just in supplemental protein [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3912">TS</a>]

01:05:14   that's one of the key of the apocalypse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:15   is everybody else has to die because i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3915">TS</a>]

01:05:17   clear the roads are not clear the roads [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:19   literally but figuratively clears the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3919">TS</a>]

01:05:21   way for you to then traveled to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:23   someplace that's more hospitable that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:25   you know you're not fighting for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3925">TS</a>]

01:05:26   supplies with people you know you like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:29   man who has his action plan in place for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3929">TS</a>]

01:05:31   your pocket you've got your bug-out play [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:33   out step on everybody but me and like 10 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:36   of the people dies step to a party time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:39   you get to pick the 10 of the important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:41   question that is that actually that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3941">TS</a>]

01:05:44   one of my favorite things about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3944">TS</a>]

01:05:45   apocalyptic stories is when the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:46   apocalypse is complete like John says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3946">TS</a>]

01:05:48   there's almost nobody left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:50   that's actually great because then you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:51   have the scenes where people just walk [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:52   through the streets and piston and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3952">TS</a>]

01:05:54   they've got new their choice of there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:57   like wearing big jewelry and when it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/3957">TS</a>]

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01:09:00   princess bride the Night Circus by Erin [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/4140">TS</a>]

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01:09:47   week's book club participants Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/4187">TS</a>]

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01:11:02   for listening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/4262">TS</a>]

01:11:06   [Music] [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMYjNcUM/4266">TS</a>]