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77: Women`s Libber

 

00:00:00   this is jumping ahead a little bit but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/0">TS</a>]

00:00:01   where we are running out of time so i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1">TS</a>]

00:00:03   wanna i wanna bring this up we'll just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3">TS</a>]

00:00:05   go back and do the podcast we will i'll [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/5">TS</a>]

00:00:07   just reset it will just really my lord [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/7">TS</a>]

00:00:09   will do it again and you guys what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/9">TS</a>]

00:00:12   will be older but you guys won't be any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/12">TS</a>]

00:00:14   older this time I'll just kill Jason in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/14">TS</a>]

00:00:15   the beginning in a graveyard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/15">TS</a>]

00:00:16   thank goodness it'll be a much better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/16">TS</a>]

00:00:19   podcast i'll solve all of our problems [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/19">TS</a>]

00:00:21   it says you'll have to the podcast [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/21">TS</a>]

00:00:25   the incomparable podcast number 77 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/25">TS</a>]

00:00:31   everywhere we went well it's time for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/31">TS</a>]

00:00:36   another incredible podcast and in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/36">TS</a>]

00:00:38   addition of our book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/38">TS</a>]

00:00:40   I'm Jason smell the hosted be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/40">TS</a>]

00:00:42   uncomfortable our topic today is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/42">TS</a>]

00:00:46   latest novel from prolific beloved [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/46">TS</a>]

00:00:49   author Stephen King this one is 11 22 63 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/49">TS</a>]

00:00:54   a tale of time travel and and so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/54">TS</a>]

00:00:59   more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/59">TS</a>]

00:00:59   joining me to discuss stephen king's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/59">TS</a>]

00:01:02   latest are Lisa Schmeisser hi Lisa [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/62">TS</a>]

00:01:05   good evening it's great to have you here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/65">TS</a>]

00:01:07   thank you it's a pleasure to be here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/67">TS</a>]

00:01:09   also joining us finally on the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/69">TS</a>]

00:01:12   podcast serenity Caldwell hai Ram how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/72">TS</a>]

00:01:15   you doing I'm doing pretty good how are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/75">TS</a>]

00:01:17   you Jason I'm doing great it is it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/77">TS</a>]

00:01:19   great to finally have you and Lisa both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/79">TS</a>]

00:01:22   on the same podcast now it's kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/82">TS</a>]

00:01:25   it's here here i wonder if the universe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/85">TS</a>]

00:01:28   will do something horrible like cause [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/88">TS</a>]

00:01:30   earthquakes or other nevermind nuclear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/90">TS</a>]

00:01:33   and we'll get that will get out court [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/93">TS</a>]

00:01:36   the or or or worse accession of American [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/96">TS</a>]

00:01:39   States to Canada were basically said [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/99">TS</a>]

00:01:42   that like it's a bad thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/102">TS</a>]

00:01:44   this is true also joining me today are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/104">TS</a>]

00:01:47   John siracusa hi John adjacent you're a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/107">TS</a>]

00:01:51   huge Stephen King fan are you not i am [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/111">TS</a>]

00:01:53   i've read almost office blocks and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/113">TS</a>]

00:01:55   that's a lot of books right yeah I've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/115">TS</a>]

00:01:57   realized i haven't read that many of his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/117">TS</a>]

00:01:58   books and I probably should should get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/118">TS</a>]

00:02:01   get on that you should [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/121">TS</a>]

00:02:04   yeah I should and also joining us one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/124">TS</a>]

00:02:06   final contestant Dain more'n hi dan I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/126">TS</a>]

00:02:09   Jason good to be you just finished this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/129">TS</a>]

00:02:12   book like 10 minutes ago right about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/132">TS</a>]

00:02:14   about 20 minutes before this episode [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/134">TS</a>]

00:02:16   yeah yeah it was pretty close i applied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/136">TS</a>]

00:02:18   to about 500 pages in the last day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/138">TS</a>]

00:02:21   well the wire so that the the downside [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/141">TS</a>]

00:02:23   of that is that who knows what your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/143">TS</a>]

00:02:24   recall is going to be like but the good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/144">TS</a>]

00:02:25   side is you read it recently at least [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/145">TS</a>]

00:02:28   he's not just shouting incoherently Jim [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/148">TS</a>]

00:02:29   law gym like oh man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/149">TS</a>]

00:02:32   III have a I read this at my mostly at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/152">TS</a>]

00:02:36   my parents house when I was there for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/156">TS</a>]

00:02:39   christmas and i had a I like a nightmare [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/159">TS</a>]

00:02:42   about joomla at one point of my god you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/162">TS</a>]

00:02:44   look for a book that's not outwardly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/164">TS</a>]

00:02:48   like a whore book there some terrifying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/168">TS</a>]

00:02:50   parts of this boat is little moments so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/170">TS</a>]

00:02:52   so I guess we should start at the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/172">TS</a>]

00:02:54   beginning of this book obviously 11 22 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/174">TS</a>]

00:02:58   63 is the day of the Kennedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/178">TS</a>]

00:02:59   assassination and this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/179">TS</a>]

00:03:00   apparently a book that Stephen King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/180">TS</a>]

00:03:02   originally thought about writing in 1971 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/182">TS</a>]

00:03:04   and he didn't get around to it until [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/184">TS</a>]

00:03:06   2009-2010 when you read this book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/186">TS</a>]

00:03:10   it's about a a teacher in Maine of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/190">TS</a>]

00:03:13   course its main who goes who has a guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/193">TS</a>]

00:03:17   who runs a diner who decides he would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/197">TS</a>]

00:03:21   a good candidate to go through a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/201">TS</a>]

00:03:25   portal and try to stop the Kennedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/205">TS</a>]

00:03:27   assassination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/207">TS</a>]

00:03:29   of course how many of those books that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/209">TS</a>]

00:03:32   we read is-7 and uh and a lot that part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/212">TS</a>]

00:03:38   of it is really interesting because it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/218">TS</a>]

00:03:40   um it's very Stephen King it's it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/220">TS</a>]

00:03:43   so almost pedestrian and yet also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/223">TS</a>]

00:03:47   outrageous at the same time that there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/227">TS</a>]

00:03:49   of course there's a guy who has a diner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/229">TS</a>]

00:03:51   where in the storeroom there's a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/231">TS</a>]

00:03:53   portal to the nineteen fifties of course [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/233">TS</a>]

00:03:56   there is and then but what I like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/236">TS</a>]

00:03:59   because I don't think about this sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/239">TS</a>]

00:04:01   genre for stephen king is that he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/241">TS</a>]

00:04:03   a very good grasp of of time-travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/243">TS</a>]

00:04:06   mechanics to the point where he the you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/246">TS</a>]

00:04:09   know are our main our main character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/249">TS</a>]

00:04:12   whose name is Jake Jake epping he he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/252">TS</a>]

00:04:18   much less familiar with Al the the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/258">TS</a>]

00:04:21   who runs the diner analysis with him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/261">TS</a>]

00:04:23   because Alice had many years to think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/263">TS</a>]

00:04:25   about using Jake as a time-travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/265">TS</a>]

00:04:28   subject while he was doing his own his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/268">TS</a>]

00:04:30   own time traveling whereas for Jake it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/270">TS</a>]

00:04:32   sort of like he sees al one day and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/272">TS</a>]

00:04:34   the next day Alice many years older and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/274">TS</a>]

00:04:36   is about to die from lung cancer which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/276">TS</a>]

00:04:39   hit you know and and so he sends them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/279">TS</a>]

00:04:41   out on this mission to go through go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/281">TS</a>]

00:04:44   through a time portal 2 1958 so we got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/284">TS</a>]

00:04:47   the time portal and I think I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/287">TS</a>]

00:04:48   you're reading a Stephen King novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/288">TS</a>]

00:04:50   you're reading any kind of genre novel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/290">TS</a>]

00:04:51   and you take the time portal in your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/291">TS</a>]

00:04:52   alright so this time travel got it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/292">TS</a>]

00:04:54   and yet one of the things that he hits [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/294">TS</a>]

00:04:57   you with right away is that there's this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/297">TS</a>]

00:04:59   character there's this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/299">TS</a>]

00:05:01   Yellowcard man just as you emerge from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/301">TS</a>]

00:05:04   this time portal the first thing you see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/304">TS</a>]

00:05:07   is this guy who seems to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/307">TS</a>]

00:05:10   something is wrong and that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/310">TS</a>]

00:05:11   shouldn't be there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/311">TS</a>]

00:05:12   so right away he does set that little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/312">TS</a>]

00:05:15   that little point of you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/315">TS</a>]

00:05:17   going to be in a it's not like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/317">TS</a>]

00:05:20   completely straight kind of I step back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/320">TS</a>]

00:05:22   in time and i'm going to do some things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/322">TS</a>]

00:05:24   like right away there's somebody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/324">TS</a>]

00:05:25   standing there saying crazy things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/325">TS</a>]

00:05:27   basically and then and yellow card man [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/327">TS</a>]

00:05:29   is trying to get money and so we can go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/329">TS</a>]

00:05:31   buy something at the at the local liquor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/331">TS</a>]

00:05:34   store i have i thought one of the really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/334">TS</a>]

00:05:37   interesting things they caught me about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/337">TS</a>]

00:05:39   Kings time-travel methodology here is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/339">TS</a>]

00:05:42   that it's very heavily you know sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/342">TS</a>]

00:05:45   repeated that every time someone goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/345">TS</a>]

00:05:48   through the time portal and then it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/348">TS</a>]

00:05:52   basically resets whatever the previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/352">TS</a>]

00:05:54   trip did right you can do is go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/354">TS</a>]

00:05:56   change the fastest change the past as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/356">TS</a>]

00:05:58   much as you want and when you come back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/358">TS</a>]

00:05:59   to the future it will be changed but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/359">TS</a>]

00:06:01   next time you reenter the bubble it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/361">TS</a>]

00:06:03   reverts hit the reset as you go back at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/363">TS</a>]

00:06:05   the same time but yeah go ahead with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/365">TS</a>]

00:06:07   exact same moment that's just such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/367">TS</a>]

00:06:09   smart narrative can see because you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/369">TS</a>]

00:06:11   write yourself out of all sorts of sorts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/371">TS</a>]

00:06:13   of dead ends or logical problems then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/373">TS</a>]

00:06:15   you can just read the reset button we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/375">TS</a>]

00:06:16   need yeah I think that's genius and love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/376">TS</a>]

00:06:19   this it's also fascinating to because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/379">TS</a>]

00:06:20   it's so different from a lot of the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/380">TS</a>]

00:06:22   trails of time-travel words you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/382">TS</a>]

00:06:24   know he doesn't have to go back and stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/384">TS</a>]

00:06:25   himself from doing something right now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/385">TS</a>]

00:06:27   it's like a family has to be worked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/387">TS</a>]

00:06:29   through it and am you know although as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/389">TS</a>]

00:06:31   we find out very much later in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/391">TS</a>]

00:06:33   it's not necessarily a reset more as it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/393">TS</a>]

00:06:35   is a fork but but yeah but for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/395">TS</a>]

00:06:39   practical purposes it's there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/399">TS</a>]

00:06:41   residue that's left but for all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/401">TS</a>]

00:06:42   practical purposes it's a reset and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/402">TS</a>]

00:06:45   the the downside of that is we see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/405">TS</a>]

00:06:47   immediately without where Alice dying of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/407">TS</a>]

00:06:49   lung cancer and al has taken several [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/409">TS</a>]

00:06:51   trips [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/411">TS</a>]

00:06:52   actually it turns out that al has been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/412">TS</a>]

00:06:54   getting why is the meat in Alice diner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/414">TS</a>]

00:06:57   so cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/417">TS</a>]

00:06:58   he's been getting in 1915 prices 1958 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/418">TS</a>]

00:07:01   and it keeps buying the same meet over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/421">TS</a>]

00:07:04   and over again because he could just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/424">TS</a>]

00:07:05   keeps resetting but now all spent so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/425">TS</a>]

00:07:07   much time there that he ages rapidly by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/427">TS</a>]

00:07:10   modern standards and yet at the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/430">TS</a>]

00:07:12   time he kind of hasn't done anything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/432">TS</a>]

00:07:14   because every time he enters its just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/434">TS</a>]

00:07:17   reset so you get the sense right right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/437">TS</a>]

00:07:19   up front that you're investing um you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/439">TS</a>]

00:07:22   know you're investing your life in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/442">TS</a>]

00:07:24   time travel and if it doesn't work out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/444">TS</a>]

00:07:26   the way you like it will be thrown away [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/446">TS</a>]

00:07:28   right and it's also important to note [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/448">TS</a>]

00:07:30   that no matter how long you're gone in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/450">TS</a>]

00:07:32   the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/452">TS</a>]

00:07:33   you're only ever gone two minutes in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/453">TS</a>]

00:07:36   from the present you know when when Jake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/456">TS</a>]

00:07:38   steps back through the time portal he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/458">TS</a>]

00:07:40   only been gone a very short while and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/460">TS</a>]

00:07:42   the same way that a lonely appears to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/462">TS</a>]

00:07:44   away for you know tonight or whatever [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/464">TS</a>]

00:07:46   and it comes back in his you know or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/466">TS</a>]

00:07:48   five years older [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/468">TS</a>]

00:07:49   this would have been a whole different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/469">TS</a>]

00:07:50   book if he had written it back in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/470">TS</a>]

00:07:52   seventies compared to when he wrote it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/472">TS</a>]

00:07:53   now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/473">TS</a>]

00:07:54   and he was lazy and and addicted to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/474">TS</a>]

00:07:55   drugs and alcohol back then so you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/475">TS</a>]

00:07:57   wouldn't know what are you survive and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/477">TS</a>]

00:07:59   not quite that what I was gonna say is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/479">TS</a>]

00:08:00   if he had written in the seventies it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/480">TS</a>]

00:08:01   would have ended up being more epic in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/481">TS</a>]

00:08:03   scope like the stand i think because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/483">TS</a>]

00:08:05   stan has this real young man's energy to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/485">TS</a>]

00:08:07   it i feel this this very brash very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/487">TS</a>]

00:08:10   black-and-white good versus evil and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/490">TS</a>]

00:08:11   this book is so nuanced when it compares [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/491">TS</a>]

00:08:13   to what is the greater good vs water all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/493">TS</a>]

00:08:15   the small goods how do we decide what's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/495">TS</a>]

00:08:17   good and what's evil and like he has no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/497">TS</a>]

00:08:19   problem drawing those lines and making [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/499">TS</a>]

00:08:20   those distinctions in his earlier work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/500">TS</a>]

00:08:22   but you get to something like under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/502">TS</a>]

00:08:24   dome or 11 22 63 and there's all these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/504">TS</a>]

00:08:27   questions about well how do we know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/507">TS</a>]

00:08:29   the actions we take her good when we can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/509">TS</a>]

00:08:31   see that the consequences and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/511">TS</a>]

00:08:32   outcomes are bad and it has a more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/512">TS</a>]

00:08:35   middle-aged i'm i'm taking stock of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/515">TS</a>]

00:08:37   life feel to it just just as an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/517">TS</a>]

00:08:38   undercurrent which is kind of disturbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/518">TS</a>]

00:08:40   when you think that the protagonist is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/520">TS</a>]

00:08:41   somebody in their late thirties early [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/521">TS</a>]

00:08:42   forties he has an arc as an author but i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/522">TS</a>]

00:08:45   think the be the beginning of this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/525">TS</a>]

00:08:47   it i think this is stephen king and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/527">TS</a>]

00:08:51   best where he has the the time-travel it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/531">TS</a>]

00:08:54   doesn't explain that and I got all this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/534">TS</a>]

00:08:56   you know I there's some sort of these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/536">TS</a>]

00:08:58   things like an experiment in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/538">TS</a>]

00:08:59   government experiment out of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/539">TS</a>]

00:09:01   without explanation is it bring this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/541">TS</a>]

00:09:03   isn't this mechanical I like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/543">TS</a>]

00:09:06   there's no explanation because it's what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/546">TS</a>]

00:09:07   we know you don't get distracted by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/547">TS</a>]

00:09:09   formal logic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/549">TS</a>]

00:09:10   yeah we realigned in the book where he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/550">TS</a>]

00:09:13   talks about where a Jake talks about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/553">TS</a>]

00:09:15   going back to teaching and how much it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/555">TS</a>]

00:09:16   fills of me says I won't try to explain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/556">TS</a>]

00:09:18   it because explanation is such cheap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/558">TS</a>]

00:09:20   poetry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/560">TS</a>]

00:09:21   yeah that for that caught me on the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/561">TS</a>]

00:09:23   to say it's a great line and you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/563">TS</a>]

00:09:25   like well you know it's sort of you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/565">TS</a>]

00:09:26   resonates with this book to we don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/566">TS</a>]

00:09:28   need to know why the time travel works [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/568">TS</a>]

00:09:30   only that it does and it's got its got a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/570">TS</a>]

00:09:32   hint of whimsy to it as well because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/572">TS</a>]

00:09:34   loves he loves a little bit of whimsy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/574">TS</a>]

00:09:36   like that that selling the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/576">TS</a>]

00:09:38   hamburger to the people over and over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/578">TS</a>]

00:09:39   again that's the classic Stephen and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/579">TS</a>]

00:09:42   whole how heat so he doesn't want to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/582">TS</a>]

00:09:44   explain it but how we lovingly describes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/584">TS</a>]

00:09:46   the mechanics of feeling for the step [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/586">TS</a>]

00:09:48   and going down through that is just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/588">TS</a>]

00:09:50   straight-up stephen king at his best [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/590">TS</a>]

00:09:52   later on the book i'll talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/592">TS</a>]

00:09:54   stephen king is worst I and a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/594">TS</a>]

00:09:57   hint of the slightly older stephen king [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/597">TS</a>]

00:09:59   is the yellow card man because that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/599">TS</a>]

00:10:01   night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/601">TS</a>]

00:10:02   it's kind of weird i don't have read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/602">TS</a>]

00:10:04   nearly as many books as most of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/604">TS</a>]

00:10:05   other people who are normal a book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/605">TS</a>]

00:10:07   contributors but the vast majority of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/607">TS</a>]

00:10:09   novels that I've rather probably stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/609">TS</a>]

00:10:11   king books and he's written a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/611">TS</a>]

00:10:12   books where and when you read this many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/612">TS</a>]

00:10:14   novels by a single author and especially [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/614">TS</a>]

00:10:16   if you're not as well read where it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/616">TS</a>]

00:10:18   not like one of many authors that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/618">TS</a>]

00:10:19   read like all their novels I i feel like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/619">TS</a>]

00:10:23   i'm sure many of his is constant readers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/623">TS</a>]

00:10:25   feel like they know this guy and I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/625">TS</a>]

00:10:27   his bag of tricks i feel like i know its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/627">TS</a>]

00:10:29   bag of tricks and he knows that I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/629">TS</a>]

00:10:31   that he knows you know what i mean and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/631">TS</a>]

00:10:33   so it's kind of like this dance or it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/633">TS</a>]

00:10:35   like reading a stephen king book is like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/635">TS</a>]

00:10:37   kind of sitting down with an old friend [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/637">TS</a>]

00:10:38   you're going to do this thing together [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/638">TS</a>]

00:10:40   and I continue to get that feeling with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/640">TS</a>]

00:10:42   this book and the beginning part it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/642">TS</a>]

00:10:45   kind of like you remember this part is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/645">TS</a>]

00:10:47   like yeah yes the good stuff right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/647">TS</a>]

00:10:49   listen this time travel stuff with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/649">TS</a>]

00:10:51   resets and the rules and in the yellow [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/651">TS</a>]

00:10:54   card man it's like all right that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/654">TS</a>]

00:10:55   that's an oldie but he's you know you've [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/655">TS</a>]

00:10:57   seen that before what I'm doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/657">TS</a>]

00:10:58   again all right i'm good i'm with you so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/658">TS</a>]

00:11:00   it was it got off on the right foot i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/660">TS</a>]

00:11:01   think all right also though I guess even [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/661">TS</a>]

00:11:04   I noticed that there by visiting dairy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/664">TS</a>]

00:11:07   which is a town that he's used before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/667">TS</a>]

00:11:09   that this is apparently an it reference [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/669">TS</a>]

00:11:11   right all there's a i was about to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/671">TS</a>]

00:11:12   it is a beautiful call back to the it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/672">TS</a>]

00:11:14   universe which is a beautiful but as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/674">TS</a>]

00:11:18   somebody who has not read it and and had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/678">TS</a>]

00:11:21   to look it up later just because it I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/681">TS</a>]

00:11:23   was curious about what he might be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/683">TS</a>]

00:11:25   referencing there I i think i think the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/685">TS</a>]

00:11:29   dairy stuff i mean i knew that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/689">TS</a>]

00:11:31   it was in Derry that it that's a town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/691">TS</a>]

00:11:32   that he's visited in many of his books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/692">TS</a>]

00:11:34   but you know it the dairy stuff more or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/694">TS</a>]

00:11:38   less work for me because the idea is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/698">TS</a>]

00:11:40   that he's chasing down this first this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/700">TS</a>]

00:11:43   character who sort of the one with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/703">TS</a>]

00:11:45   kid the the janitor at his scoring [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/705">TS</a>]

00:11:47   Dunning yeah who is who was a head as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/707">TS</a>]

00:11:50   siblings and mother killed by his father [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/710">TS</a>]

00:11:53   and and got the hammer you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/713">TS</a>]

00:11:57   stuff with the where there's the storm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/717">TS</a>]

00:11:59   drain and there's evil in the town isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/719">TS</a>]

00:12:01   very friendly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/721">TS</a>]

00:12:02   that's actually I can just say I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/722">TS</a>]

00:12:04   that was effectively creepy without you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/724">TS</a>]

00:12:06   thinking that it was a reference to a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/726">TS</a>]

00:12:08   book i did I i agree definitely and like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/728">TS</a>]

00:12:11   like Jason I haven't read yet but i knew [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/731">TS</a>]

00:12:13   a little bit about it from again for the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/733">TS</a>]

00:12:15   dark tower but I i looked up some of it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/735">TS</a>]

00:12:17   and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/737">TS</a>]

00:12:18   think what's important about it even if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/738">TS</a>]

00:12:19   you haven't read it is that there are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/739">TS</a>]

00:12:22   much in there that sort of ate a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/742">TS</a>]

00:12:24   foreshadowing of dairy and dallas which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/744">TS</a>]

00:12:28   you know keeps coming up those two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/748">TS</a>]

00:12:30   cities are linked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/750">TS</a>]

00:12:31   I'm your book depository in the storm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/751">TS</a>]

00:12:33   drain and even Beverly and and Richie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/753">TS</a>]

00:12:37   and later on in the book we have that a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/757">TS</a>]

00:12:39   Mike and Bobby Jill who are sort of sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/759">TS</a>]

00:12:44   of parallels there's also you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/764">TS</a>]

00:12:46   fact that when when Jake first comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/766">TS</a>]

00:12:47   upon a bevy and Richie they're dancing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/767">TS</a>]

00:12:51   right which is a u.s. huge part of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/771">TS</a>]

00:12:53   book constantly coming up and I sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/773">TS</a>]

00:12:56   think yeah he likes tying stuff in and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/776">TS</a>]

00:12:59   think there's a there's a certain degree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/779">TS</a>]

00:13:00   of that that's that's rewarding for a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/780">TS</a>]

00:13:02   lot of readers I love finding you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/782">TS</a>]

00:13:04   modules and references in books from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/784">TS</a>]

00:13:06   authors that refer to previous things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/786">TS</a>]

00:13:07   you know it's a part of the reason i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/787">TS</a>]

00:13:09   love reading series of books so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/789">TS</a>]

00:13:11   because there's a continuity to it but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/791">TS</a>]

00:13:13   think even if you aren't familiar in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/793">TS</a>]

00:13:15   depth with that particular work i agree [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/795">TS</a>]

00:13:18   with Jason that it's it's effective [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/798">TS</a>]

00:13:19   creepy to hold the whole Gary scenes you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/799">TS</a>]

00:13:22   know that I just really they're just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/802">TS</a>]

00:13:24   places that are sold with bad juju yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/804">TS</a>]

00:13:26   yeah all this money and it's it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/806">TS</a>]

00:13:29   eerie i was reading it a night like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/809">TS</a>]

00:13:30   before with the bed nose like man I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/810">TS</a>]

00:13:32   don't really want to go to sleep creepy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/812">TS</a>]

00:13:33   book i'm surprised that dairy section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/813">TS</a>]

00:13:36   work so well for you who didn't who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/816">TS</a>]

00:13:38   haven't read it because that's what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/818">TS</a>]

00:13:40   was thinking when I was reading and I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/820">TS</a>]

00:13:41   like okay I get this because i read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/821">TS</a>]

00:13:43   another thousand-page book but pity the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/823">TS</a>]

00:13:45   more people who you know need the poor [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/825">TS</a>]

00:13:48   people who don't know I I thought I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/828">TS</a>]

00:13:50   think the two kids who are apparently [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/830">TS</a>]

00:13:52   characters in it i think our are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/832">TS</a>]

00:13:54   effective in that they are trying to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/834">TS</a>]

00:13:55   find some sort of life and are obviously [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/835">TS</a>]

00:13:58   struggling against some darkness in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/838">TS</a>]

00:14:00   terrible town and I find I and it's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/840">TS</a>]

00:14:02   the dancing which it becomes relevant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/842">TS</a>]

00:14:04   later and that the sense that this town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/844">TS</a>]

00:14:05   is permeated by unfriendliness and evil [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/845">TS</a>]

00:14:07   and then you know moving on from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/847">TS</a>]

00:14:11   references part of this to talk about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/851">TS</a>]

00:14:13   the dairy section of this book is also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/853">TS</a>]

00:14:15   Jake's first first run at changing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/855">TS</a>]

00:14:21   history where he ended and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/861">TS</a>]

00:14:23   foreshadows what's going to happen which [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/863">TS</a>]

00:14:24   is he is very careful to wait until he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/864">TS</a>]

00:14:27   has all the information possible to you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/867">TS</a>]

00:14:30   know he has his run-ins with game [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/870">TS</a>]

00:14:31   there's an underworld types which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/871">TS</a>]

00:14:33   going to come back later he he has this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/873">TS</a>]

00:14:36   trial run where he waits to the last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/876">TS</a>]

00:14:39   minute to try and intercede and prevent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/879">TS</a>]

00:14:41   the government father for killing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/881">TS</a>]

00:14:43   mother and the kids and he does all of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/883">TS</a>]

00:14:46   that and goes back and then resets and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/886">TS</a>]

00:14:50   does it again and what's interesting is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/890">TS</a>]

00:14:53   instead of being there at the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/893">TS</a>]

00:14:55   where this thing is going to happen in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/895">TS</a>]

00:14:57   order to intercede when he goes back the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/897">TS</a>]

00:14:59   next time he sort of got all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/899">TS</a>]

00:15:01   information he needs he realizes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/901">TS</a>]

00:15:03   the father is just a bad guy and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/903">TS</a>]

00:15:06   going to kill his whole family except [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/906">TS</a>]

00:15:07   the one kid and he just he goes to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/907">TS</a>]

00:15:10   months before and in like a desert [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/910">TS</a>]

00:15:13   graveyard and just killed him rather [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/913">TS</a>]

00:15:16   than defending the people he just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/916">TS</a>]

00:15:17   decided I'm gonna go back which i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/917">TS</a>]

00:15:19   is interesting but he goes through all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/919">TS</a>]

00:15:20   of this and then hit the reset button [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/920">TS</a>]

00:15:22   and decides I didn't need all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/922">TS</a>]

00:15:24   information this guy's just a bad guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/924">TS</a>]

00:15:26   i'm just going to do what he's done all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/926">TS</a>]

00:15:28   the research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/928">TS</a>]

00:15:29   yeah he wanted to be sure which is what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/929">TS</a>]

00:15:30   happens with Lee Harvey Oswald is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/930">TS</a>]

00:15:32   jake wants to be sure that there's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/932">TS</a>]

00:15:34   somebody there's not a conspiracy that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/934">TS</a>]

00:15:37   it's just this one guy right one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/937">TS</a>]

00:15:40   Al makes that very clear he's like you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/940">TS</a>]

00:15:42   have to be absolutely sure because what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/942">TS</a>]

00:15:45   happens if you screw up and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/945">TS</a>]

00:15:47   president still get shot and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/947">TS</a>]

00:15:48   everything still goes to hell or well it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/948">TS</a>]

00:15:51   doesn't quite jell with the present but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/951">TS</a>]

00:15:53   what we all assume that the guy who [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/953">TS</a>]

00:15:56   killed his family he wanted to be sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/956">TS</a>]

00:15:58   because he's like geez I'm like killing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/958">TS</a>]

00:16:00   this guy yea he's a bad guy and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/960">TS</a>]

00:16:01   everything but like is he really gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/961">TS</a>]

00:16:03   kill his family and like is he you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/963">TS</a>]

00:16:05   he pissy had to commit you know it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/965">TS</a>]

00:16:06   easy to work it's not easy to work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/966">TS</a>]

00:16:08   yourself up to kill somebody right it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/968">TS</a>]

00:16:10   not until he gets confirmation that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/970">TS</a>]

00:16:11   already killed one family that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/971">TS</a>]

00:16:13   actually gets the gumption to go ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/973">TS</a>]

00:16:14   and pull the trigger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/974">TS</a>]

00:16:15   yeah it's not your first time employee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/975">TS</a>]

00:16:18   witnesses it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/978">TS</a>]

00:16:19   I'm once again also have surprised that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/979">TS</a>]

00:16:21   it works well for everybody else but for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/981">TS</a>]

00:16:22   people who have read it as Lisa was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/982">TS</a>]

00:16:24   saying there's extra residents to those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/984">TS</a>]

00:16:27   characters because you know I don't want [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/987">TS</a>]

00:16:30   to spoil it for people didn't read it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/990">TS</a>]

00:16:32   but it's not that you're not meeting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/992">TS</a>]

00:16:33   them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/993">TS</a>]

00:16:34   I after the events of the book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/994">TS</a>]

00:16:35   you're not meeting before the events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/995">TS</a>]

00:16:37   that you're basically meeting them amid [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/997">TS</a>]

00:16:38   steam at events of the book and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/998">TS</a>]

00:16:41   a sadness to that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1001">TS</a>]

00:16:43   you wouldn't get it unless you read that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1003">TS</a>]

00:16:45   other thousand-page book or read the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1005">TS</a>]

00:16:47   wikipedia entry on remember that whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1007">TS</a>]

00:16:49   thing with someone's mindedness there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1009">TS</a>]

00:16:52   a creepiness to that I want to get into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1012">TS</a>]

00:16:55   it that's all the projects but but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1015">TS</a>]

00:16:57   yeah I using dairy is a character named [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1017">TS</a>]

00:17:00   King loves inanimate things as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1020">TS</a>]

00:17:02   characters houses afterwards towns towns [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1022">TS</a>]

00:17:04   characters and dairy was a character in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1024">TS</a>]

00:17:07   this book and I think it helped [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1027">TS</a>]

00:17:10   it's a kind of a cheap but it helped the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1030">TS</a>]

00:17:11   dairy beat at not their help Dallas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1031">TS</a>]

00:17:13   become more character because analysis [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1033">TS</a>]

00:17:15   has not been heavily featured in past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1035">TS</a>]

00:17:17   books but comparing it to dairy it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1037">TS</a>]

00:17:20   like oh Jesus is like the dairy of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1040">TS</a>]

00:17:22   South already move you've already been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1042">TS</a>]

00:17:24   primed you know you've got a frame of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1044">TS</a>]

00:17:26   reference that makes it easier to sketch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1046">TS</a>]

00:17:28   it out a little bit as opposed to happen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1048">TS</a>]

00:17:29   to go through and frankly do a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1049">TS</a>]

00:17:32   research the best story and well i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1052">TS</a>]

00:17:36   in general [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1056">TS</a>]

00:17:37   Stephen King does a very good job [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1057">TS</a>]

00:17:39   personifying every single town that we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1059">TS</a>]

00:17:42   visit in the past and makes it very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1062">TS</a>]

00:17:44   clear this is this type of town in some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1064">TS</a>]

00:17:47   ka in some ways the people we talked to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1067">TS</a>]

00:17:49   and the kite like getting the Sun liner [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1069">TS</a>]

00:17:51   in the very first little town in Maine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1071">TS</a>]

00:17:53   you instantly get the picture that kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1073">TS</a>]

00:17:56   of place and dairy you start to get the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1076">TS</a>]

00:17:58   creepy time-travel ish stuff and dairy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1078">TS</a>]

00:18:01   and how things can go wrong in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1081">TS</a>]

00:18:03   obdurate past and that kind of carries [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1083">TS</a>]

00:18:06   over i feel like it snowballs as you go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1086">TS</a>]

00:18:08   from town to town to town but he hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1088">TS</a>]

00:18:10   really really great personification of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1090">TS</a>]

00:18:12   each town the difference between Jody in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1092">TS</a>]

00:18:14   dallas and for even for were or if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1094">TS</a>]

00:18:17   yeah they're all very clear pictures of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1097">TS</a>]

00:18:19   each city despite i mean i don't think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1099">TS</a>]

00:18:22   i've been to I've been to dallas very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1102">TS</a>]

00:18:24   briefly but aside from that you get a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1104">TS</a>]

00:18:27   very clear picture of how he wants these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1107">TS</a>]

00:18:29   towns to look at this point in time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1109">TS</a>]

00:18:32   yeah I let's let's move ahead then to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1112">TS</a>]

00:18:35   Jodi to Texas and and specifically to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1115">TS</a>]

00:18:38   the small town where he becomes an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1118">TS</a>]

00:18:41   English teacher and I guess he's briefly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1121">TS</a>]

00:18:44   in Florida but you know that really the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1124">TS</a>]

00:18:46   important doesn't work out that doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1126">TS</a>]

00:18:48   work out now and get the sense of he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1128">TS</a>]

00:18:50   needs to move on before the final and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1130">TS</a>]

00:18:52   it's a good experience of showing like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1132">TS</a>]

00:18:53   this time travel thing he doesn't quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1133">TS</a>]

00:18:55   have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:55   a knack of it yet like he's a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1135">TS</a>]

00:18:57   enough to get out of there alive but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1137">TS</a>]

00:18:59   realizes he kind of messed up yeah he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1139">TS</a>]

00:19:01   always learning the ropes of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1141">TS</a>]

00:19:03   time-travel think he's only beginning to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1143">TS</a>]

00:19:05   understand what he doesn't know and very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1145">TS</a>]

00:19:07   cleverly by setting the time portal in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1147">TS</a>]

00:19:08   1958 Stephen King makes the not only [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1148">TS</a>]

00:19:12   cranks up the UH that the jeopardy of of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1152">TS</a>]

00:19:17   messing up because you have to live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1157">TS</a>]

00:19:19   through five years in order to get to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1159">TS</a>]

00:19:23   the date of the assassination but it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1163">TS</a>]

00:19:26   also gives him time to have his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1166">TS</a>]

00:19:29   character moved to this town and meet [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1169">TS</a>]

00:19:31   these people because really that this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1171">TS</a>]

00:19:34   what the book is about this is the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1174">TS</a>]

00:19:36   is about this guy and the relationships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1176">TS</a>]

00:19:40   that he makes in the past and while he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1180">TS</a>]

00:19:44   got the this mission of his from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1184">TS</a>]

00:19:46   future hanging over his head so I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1186">TS</a>]

00:19:49   know I think this is a really charming [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1189">TS</a>]

00:19:51   section where you've got these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1191">TS</a>]

00:19:52   and you know he's meeting all the all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1192">TS</a>]

00:19:55   the people at the school in in in Jodi [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1195">TS</a>]

00:19:58   and he sort of accidentally becomes more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1198">TS</a>]

00:20:02   entwined with their their lives and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1202">TS</a>]

00:20:05   their culture than he's really intended [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1205">TS</a>]

00:20:07   because he's thinking I'm you know I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1207">TS</a>]

00:20:08   gonna lay low i'm from the future i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1208">TS</a>]

00:20:10   here on a mission and of course he ends [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1210">TS</a>]

00:20:13   up being completely intertwined in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1213">TS</a>]

00:20:16   in the life of this small town and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1216">TS</a>]

00:20:19   because it is a small town and there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1219">TS</a>]

00:20:21   nothing he can do about it and he and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1221">TS</a>]

00:20:23   gets to know all these people and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1223">TS</a>]

00:20:25   falls in love with the do the new school [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1225">TS</a>]

00:20:28   librarian who is Sadie and you know I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1228">TS</a>]

00:20:33   really like this part III this is going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1233">TS</a>]

00:20:36   to be one of those things that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1236">TS</a>]

00:20:37   depending on what you want out of a book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1237">TS</a>]

00:20:38   like this you may view this as being I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1238">TS</a>]

00:20:41   don't know I i think people might view [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1241">TS</a>]

00:20:43   this as being an interminable section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1243">TS</a>]

00:20:45   where he's really not advancing his his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1245">TS</a>]

00:20:47   mission very much and instead he's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1247">TS</a>]

00:20:49   getting to know the people but I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1249">TS</a>]

00:20:50   actually love this part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1250">TS</a>]

00:20:51   I think if you think that you're not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1251">TS</a>]

00:20:53   reading is there something wrong read ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1253">TS</a>]

00:20:55   heart the whole point of the segment is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1255">TS</a>]

00:20:57   to is to set up his personal stakes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1257">TS</a>]

00:20:59   because remember out picked him because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1259">TS</a>]

00:21:01   he like well Jake you have nobody here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1261">TS</a>]

00:21:03   you have no attachments you kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1263">TS</a>]

00:21:04   lightly on this town anyway no one is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1264">TS</a>]

00:21:07   really going to miss you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1267">TS</a>]

00:21:08   and then he goes back to the past and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1268">TS</a>]

00:21:10   there are all of a sudden a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1270">TS</a>]

00:21:12   people who know about him and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1272">TS</a>]

00:21:14   welfare and they won't miss them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1274">TS</a>]

00:21:16   they will care and unfortunately this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1276">TS</a>]

00:21:18   this develops right around the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1278">TS</a>]

00:21:20   that he's got to start surveilling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1280">TS</a>]

00:21:22   Oswald and carrying out an assassination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1282">TS</a>]

00:21:25   and I think it raises the dramatic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1285">TS</a>]

00:21:27   sticks and also shows what other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1287">TS</a>]

00:21:29   whatever growth he's going to have as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1289">TS</a>]

00:21:31   protagonist over the course of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1291">TS</a>]

00:21:32   to its it's absolutely necessary and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1292">TS</a>]

00:21:34   also sets up that you know I think what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1294">TS</a>]

00:21:37   manages to be a rather heartbreaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1297">TS</a>]

00:21:39   story in in many ways right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1299">TS</a>]

00:21:42   yeah that the the final chapter oh yes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1302">TS</a>]

00:21:45   even even even before that you know the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1305">TS</a>]

00:21:48   part where you guys talking it I would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1308">TS</a>]

00:21:50   yeah i was there that I mean it needs to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1310">TS</a>]

00:21:53   be an easy that invested right in order [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1313">TS</a>]

00:21:55   for you to feel strongly about those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1315">TS</a>]

00:21:57   characters and like these carrots well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1317">TS</a>]

00:22:00   meanwhile the clock is ticking down [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1320">TS</a>]

00:22:01   right i mean that's the great beauty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1321">TS</a>]

00:22:02   beauty is you've got this nice story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1322">TS</a>]

00:22:04   that on it on its own would be a nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1324">TS</a>]

00:22:06   story but we know where Jake is really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1326">TS</a>]

00:22:09   from you know when we do know that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1329">TS</a>]

00:22:11   kind of a rootless guy and he had his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1331">TS</a>]

00:22:14   alcoholic wife they got divorced from a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1334">TS</a>]

00:22:16   nice there's nobody to miss him and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1336">TS</a>]

00:22:19   now he's putting down roots and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1339">TS</a>]

00:22:21   making these connections and that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1341">TS</a>]

00:22:24   be a nice story but you've got the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1344">TS</a>]

00:22:26   is 11 22 63 right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1346">TS</a>]

00:22:28   the clock is ticking and you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1348">TS</a>]

00:22:31   for him to fulfill his mission that uh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1351">TS</a>]

00:22:34   that everything is going to be there he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1354">TS</a>]

00:22:36   can't you know that there's an a clear [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1356">TS</a>]

00:22:38   expiration date on his relationships [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1358">TS</a>]

00:22:40   with these people which is makes it that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1360">TS</a>]

00:22:42   much more affecting for this longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1362">TS</a>]

00:22:44   section [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1364">TS</a>]

00:22:45   the reason I think it needs to be longer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1365">TS</a>]

00:22:46   like this and you thought maybe see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1366">TS</a>]

00:22:49   people think it was interminable is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1369">TS</a>]

00:22:51   because it's it is the equivalent of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1371">TS</a>]

00:22:54   movie where you have the cowboy go live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1374">TS</a>]

00:22:57   with the Indians or even something like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1377">TS</a>]

00:22:59   avatar whatever he's on a mission but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1379">TS</a>]

00:23:01   the mission takes a long time and he has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1381">TS</a>]

00:23:03   to become integrated with these people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1383">TS</a>]

00:23:05   during the mission and he goes no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1385">TS</a>]

00:23:06   comparison for building the barn and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1386">TS</a>]

00:23:08   witness the heart of heaven Costner in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1388">TS</a>]

00:23:10   Dances with Wolves he goes native and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1390">TS</a>]

00:23:12   yeah the long term missions it's hard to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1392">TS</a>]

00:23:14   stay on mission for a long time so he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1394">TS</a>]

00:23:16   ends up is I'm integrating into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1396">TS</a>]

00:23:18   native population and learning [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1398">TS</a>]

00:23:19   and then eventually you you wake up and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1399">TS</a>]

00:23:21   you're Kevin Costner and you're wearing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1401">TS</a>]

00:23:22   a feather on your head or whatever it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1402">TS</a>]

00:23:24   may be you know you've actually John [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1404">TS</a>]

00:23:26   you've actually raised i'm not even sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1406">TS</a>]

00:23:28   I called a criticism is just something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1408">TS</a>]

00:23:30   that tickle the back of my head is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1410">TS</a>]

00:23:32   have somebody who's in the early forties [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1412">TS</a>]

00:23:33   who is now accustomed to world of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1413">TS</a>]

00:23:36   instantaneous wireless connectivity with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1416">TS</a>]

00:23:39   the internet and and a world of cable TV [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1419">TS</a>]

00:23:43   and everything that entails to and your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1423">TS</a>]

00:23:47   flung backwards to a time where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1427">TS</a>]

00:23:50   don't have that many choices and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1430">TS</a>]

00:23:51   entertainment and you are stuck with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1431">TS</a>]

00:23:53   periodic to hear you're stuck with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1433">TS</a>]

00:23:55   card catalog the library if you need to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1435">TS</a>]

00:23:57   find something and it's just a radically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1437">TS</a>]

00:23:59   different way of living and this guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1439">TS</a>]

00:24:01   seems to seamlessly acclimate well and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1441">TS</a>]

00:24:04   don't have seamlessly do I i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1444">TS</a>]

00:24:06   think that Stephen King does a pretty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1446">TS</a>]

00:24:07   good job throughout of depicting the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1447">TS</a>]

00:24:10   about neither saying oh it was a better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1450">TS</a>]

00:24:14   time a simpler time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1454">TS</a>]

00:24:16   no I'm not saying that it's just it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1456">TS</a>]

00:24:18   just rather he lives really easily in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1458">TS</a>]

00:24:20   period and and perhaps just speaks to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1460">TS</a>]

00:24:23   the people i know who go into cold [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1463">TS</a>]

00:24:24   sweats if they don't if they don't have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1464">TS</a>]

00:24:26   internet access for 24 he does he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1466">TS</a>]

00:24:28   throw his phone and a pond it's sort of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1468">TS</a>]

00:24:32   a ceremonial dumping of I i think it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1472">TS</a>]

00:24:34   personality type that because he's that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1474">TS</a>]

00:24:36   he's an English teacher remember he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1476">TS</a>]

00:24:38   not a tech nerd he's not even a geek of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1478">TS</a>]

00:24:40   any kind you all these people who say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1480">TS</a>]

00:24:42   boy I think I would be happier in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1482">TS</a>]

00:24:44   simpler time out for some of them i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1484">TS</a>]

00:24:46   think it's true it's just gonna be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1486">TS</a>]

00:24:48   exhausting trying to remember that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1488">TS</a>]

00:24:49   can never talk about the Carolina [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1489">TS</a>]

00:24:50   Panther also keep in mind the gym that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1490">TS</a>]

00:24:52   uh that al al leaves him a a big file [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1492">TS</a>]

00:24:57   with his research in it which is stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1497">TS</a>]

00:25:00   king's way of not having him have whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1500">TS</a>]

00:25:03   scenes where he's incredibly frustrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1503">TS</a>]

00:25:04   by trying to remember things that are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1504">TS</a>]

00:25:06   happening or doing even more research [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1506">TS</a>]

00:25:08   using archaic research techniques sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1508">TS</a>]

00:25:10   of just as there's a file so let's he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1510">TS</a>]

00:25:13   doesn't need to do all that you don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1513">TS</a>]

00:25:14   need another the other thing that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1514">TS</a>]

00:25:16   really really interesting about this and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1516">TS</a>]

00:25:19   I thought about what while reading this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1519">TS</a>]

00:25:20   is sorta jumps around glosses over parts [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1520">TS</a>]

00:25:22   right you know there are a couple points [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1522">TS</a>]

00:25:23   was like I was here for a while that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1523">TS</a>]

00:25:25   left here from well I left and I thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1525">TS</a>]

00:25:28   well that's weird you know like this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1528">TS</a>]

00:25:29   really how much of this like closer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1529">TS</a>]

00:25:31   we're going to get various points here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1531">TS</a>]

00:25:33   but what's important to consider and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1533">TS</a>]

00:25:35   sort of start to get hints for this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1535">TS</a>]

00:25:36   that this is all written by him right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1536">TS</a>]

00:25:39   after the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1539">TS</a>]

00:25:40   right yeah it makes several references [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1540">TS</a>]

00:25:42   to the unfinished manuscript and oh well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1542">TS</a>]

00:25:44   you're reading this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1544">TS</a>]

00:25:45   yeah exactly that's totally a dress to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1545">TS</a>]

00:25:47   people it's totally his recollections of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1547">TS</a>]

00:25:49   it right and so we learned at a very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1549">TS</a>]

00:25:52   specific point in the book that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1552">TS</a>]

00:25:54   hasn't been as good at blending in as he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1554">TS</a>]

00:25:56   thought he was right so I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1556">TS</a>]

00:25:58   that significant in terms of him as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1558">TS</a>]

00:26:00   narrator in that not that he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1560">TS</a>]

00:26:02   unreliable precisely but that is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1562">TS</a>]

00:26:06   ready for my vantage point of that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1566">TS</a>]

00:26:09   not like as these things are happening [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1569">TS</a>]

00:26:12   to him right and so he does think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1572">TS</a>]

00:26:15   you know it does seem like he blends in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1575">TS</a>]

00:26:16   really well and certainly there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1576">TS</a>]

00:26:17   things that he takes two very much in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1577">TS</a>]

00:26:19   this in this environment but you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1579">TS</a>]

00:26:20   you do get hints of the things that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1580">TS</a>]

00:26:22   regresses a couple times was like God I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1582">TS</a>]

00:26:24   would have killed for have a cell phone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1584">TS</a>]

00:26:25   right now because I really would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1585">TS</a>]

00:26:27   solved my problem it's and i think that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1587">TS</a>]

00:26:30   the fact that he that he is telling this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1590">TS</a>]

00:26:32   from some sort of you know after the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1592">TS</a>]

00:26:35   fact perspective is is very significant [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1595">TS</a>]

00:26:38   in terms of how we see his character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1598">TS</a>]

00:26:40   the only thing that kind of tickled at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1600">TS</a>]

00:26:42   me through the jodi sequence as well is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1602">TS</a>]

00:26:45   first and forgive the clumsy phrasing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1605">TS</a>]

00:26:47   its kind of the a white male privilege [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1607">TS</a>]

00:26:49   you are so convenient but I know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1609">TS</a>]

00:26:52   that's about it it's like I like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1612">TS</a>]

00:26:54   guess I thought that was a realistic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1614">TS</a>]

00:26:56   yeah you know there's there's there's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1616">TS</a>]

00:26:57   the throw a reference to oh there was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1617">TS</a>]

00:26:59   the one gas station i stopped where all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1619">TS</a>]

00:27:01   those poor colored people had to win [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1621">TS</a>]

00:27:03   their way through a thicket of poison [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1623">TS</a>]

00:27:05   oak and gopi over a stream while I got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1625">TS</a>]

00:27:07   to use the restroom but right but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1627">TS</a>]

00:27:09   also been judging right that's also i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1629">TS</a>]

00:27:11   saying this is beating but but by and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1631">TS</a>]

00:27:13   large it doesn't affect him directly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1633">TS</a>]

00:27:15   well but he accepts the other parts of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1635">TS</a>]

00:27:17   the experience because he's like I well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1637">TS</a>]

00:27:19   I am a white male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1639">TS</a>]

00:27:20   so really for a white male privilege how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1640">TS</a>]

00:27:22   convenient URL was not gonna send a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1642">TS</a>]

00:27:25   black woman back in time to that work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1645">TS</a>]

00:27:29   but because not so much like this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1649">TS</a>]

00:27:31   privilege heat because he's insulated by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1651">TS</a>]

00:27:34   the privilege I i guess from a narrative [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1654">TS</a>]

00:27:36   perspective it makes it very easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1656">TS</a>]

00:27:38   because then you can sidestep authority [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1658">TS</a>]

00:27:39   questions like sure life was great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1659">TS</a>]

00:27:42   if you're white and male but you know if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1662">TS</a>]

00:27:44   your if your sale single white female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1664">TS</a>]

00:27:46   who couldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1666">TS</a>]

00:27:47   can get her own line of credit yeah 1860 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1667">TS</a>]

00:27:49   how easy or how hard would it have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1669">TS</a>]

00:27:52   to be someone like Sadie or if you're an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1672">TS</a>]

00:27:54   african-american man they still had the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1674">TS</a>]

00:27:56   camera it's called the green pages of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1676">TS</a>]

00:27:58   the green book but up until very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1678">TS</a>]

00:28:00   recently in the u.s. there was a company [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1680">TS</a>]

00:28:02   that actually published a directory of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1682">TS</a>]

00:28:04   african-american friendly businesses for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1684">TS</a>]

00:28:06   traveling african-american families [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1686">TS</a>]

00:28:08   because you were talking about a time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1688">TS</a>]

00:28:09   when people could be turned away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1689">TS</a>]

00:28:11   hotels and restaurants nearby have a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1691">TS</a>]

00:28:12   right Stephen King and the good thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1692">TS</a>]

00:28:14   about this is he doesn't shy away from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1694">TS</a>]

00:28:15   it and he has Jake basically I that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1695">TS</a>]

00:28:18   that's one of the things that he always [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1698">TS</a>]

00:28:20   notices is that is as idyllic as his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1700">TS</a>]

00:28:23   life is he that this is this is what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1703">TS</a>]

00:28:26   appreciate is that he King shows both [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1706">TS</a>]

00:28:28   sides there are things about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1708">TS</a>]

00:28:29   simplistic you know why for the simpler [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1709">TS</a>]

00:28:32   life of that time that he appreciates [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1712">TS</a>]

00:28:34   and they're things that are bad and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1714">TS</a>]

00:28:36   know it's just different and things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1716">TS</a>]

00:28:38   about our good and thinks about her bad [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1718">TS</a>]

00:28:40   when we leave Jody and we see him on his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1720">TS</a>]

00:28:44   mission spending time in Fort Worth and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1724">TS</a>]

00:28:46   then in Dallas you know he's showing a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1726">TS</a>]

00:28:49   very different kind of environment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1729">TS</a>]

00:28:51   that's a really kind of a miserable or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1731">TS</a>]

00:28:53   unfriendly environment this is the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1733">TS</a>]

00:28:56   environment that lee harvey oswald is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1736">TS</a>]

00:28:57   living well and I think he doesn't gloss [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1737">TS</a>]

00:28:59   over how hard it is to be you know an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1739">TS</a>]

00:29:01   unattached female right like well they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1741">TS</a>]

00:29:03   say that he has not had things easy you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1743">TS</a>]

00:29:05   know and i think he goes into a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1745">TS</a>]

00:29:07   detail about that and about just how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1747">TS</a>]

00:29:10   miserable her life has been in many ways [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1750">TS</a>]

00:29:12   and I think that's you know she's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1752">TS</a>]

00:29:14   great character I honestly I know he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1754">TS</a>]

00:29:16   doesn't do a great job of amplifying the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1756">TS</a>]

00:29:18   social pressures and how they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1758">TS</a>]

00:29:21   undermine near your support networks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1761">TS</a>]

00:29:23   because say to you remember after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1763">TS</a>]

00:29:24   Sadie's the incident that shapes city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1764">TS</a>]

00:29:28   for the subsequent remainder of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1768">TS</a>]

00:29:30   narrative her mother comes out after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1770">TS</a>]

00:29:32   having carpooled with her attackers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1772">TS</a>]

00:29:33   parents my mother comes out and upgrades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1773">TS</a>]

00:29:36   her for four controllers and she's gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1776">TS</a>]

00:29:38   get fired from her job because she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1778">TS</a>]

00:29:40   attacked and I can't you can't have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1780">TS</a>]

00:29:42   that was that was the killer for me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1782">TS</a>]

00:29:44   that the part where I'm like all come on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1784">TS</a>]

00:29:45   that they really with this really like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1785">TS</a>]

00:29:47   someone has attacked and disable the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1787">TS</a>]

00:29:48   school board's gotta fire announced too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1788">TS</a>]

00:29:50   much of a scandal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1790">TS</a>]

00:29:51   oh yeah oh yeah absolutely plus I kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1791">TS</a>]

00:29:53   of believe that from a small town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1793">TS</a>]

00:29:54   respective I kind of beliefs and also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1794">TS</a>]

00:29:56   they're in town abs label yeah I mean I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1796">TS</a>]

00:29:59   and I think you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1799">TS</a>]

00:30:01   Oh given that I i feel like i said i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1801">TS</a>]

00:30:03   think sadie is a great character and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1803">TS</a>]

00:30:05   think you know if you don't fall over [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1805">TS</a>]

00:30:07   there at least a little bit while [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1807">TS</a>]

00:30:08   reading this then you probably aren't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1808">TS</a>]

00:30:09   you know our talk to probably dead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1809">TS</a>]

00:30:11   you're probably dead inside but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1811">TS</a>]

00:30:15   you know they're I i think you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1815">TS</a>]

00:30:17   without making it a book that's overly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1817">TS</a>]

00:30:19   about look how awful racism was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1819">TS</a>]

00:30:22   South in you know the fifties and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1822">TS</a>]

00:30:23   sixties which you know there could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1823">TS</a>]

00:30:26   been a book there there's never an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1826">TS</a>]

00:30:27   answer anybody's yessir many books when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1827">TS</a>]

00:30:29   he could have written that book but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1829">TS</a>]

00:30:31   know it was not that book and so I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1831">TS</a>]

00:30:33   he does you know the references to it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1833">TS</a>]

00:30:35   might seem a little glancing but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1835">TS</a>]

00:30:37   they do inform a lot of what the setting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1837">TS</a>]

00:30:40   of this book is and part of what makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1840">TS</a>]

00:30:42   for example Dallas such a disturbing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1842">TS</a>]

00:30:45   town in many ways is this whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1845">TS</a>]

00:30:47   pervading element of that even if it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1847">TS</a>]

00:30:49   not something that we're constantly beat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1849">TS</a>]

00:30:50   over the head [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1850">TS</a>]

00:30:51   I'm actually impressed at how little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1851">TS</a>]

00:30:54   like the helmet few references to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1854">TS</a>]

00:30:57   politics of the age and all of that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1857">TS</a>]

00:31:00   manages to slide in but still managed to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1860">TS</a>]

00:31:03   paint the overall picture of the various [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1863">TS</a>]

00:31:05   towns and the way society was at that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1865">TS</a>]

00:31:08   point in time because I mean you could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1868">TS</a>]

00:31:09   have with a with a book about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1869">TS</a>]

00:31:11   Kennedy assassination you could have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1871">TS</a>]

00:31:13   gone much more deeply into the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1873">TS</a>]

00:31:16   Harvey Oswald thing instead you get kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1876">TS</a>]

00:31:19   of a third-party perspective of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1879">TS</a>]

00:31:21   leaflets and you hear a couple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1881">TS</a>]

00:31:22   conversations when Jake's listening on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1882">TS</a>]

00:31:24   the omnidirectional microphone but on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1884">TS</a>]

00:31:27   the whole there's not a lot of yes this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1887">TS</a>]

00:31:31   is how people were feeling this is how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1891">TS</a>]

00:31:33   people hate you know the president this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1893">TS</a>]

00:31:35   is what why people love the present you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1895">TS</a>]

00:31:37   skip a lot of that the other than the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1897">TS</a>]

00:31:39   the Cuban Missile Crisis which is an a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1899">TS</a>]

00:31:41   nice little worried a little bit where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1901">TS</a>]

00:31:43   you get that sense of living through it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1903">TS</a>]

00:31:45   and he's living through it realizing how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1905">TS</a>]

00:31:47   upsetting it is two people at the time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1907">TS</a>]

00:31:50   and you know he knows how it turns out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1910">TS</a>]

00:31:53   hey but they don't but other than that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1913">TS</a>]

00:31:56   really mean that that's that's the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1916">TS</a>]

00:31:59   that's the one that struck me that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1919">TS</a>]

00:32:01   that he's watching as as people lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1921">TS</a>]

00:32:03   through that and they're very upset on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1923">TS</a>]

00:32:04   the sexism thing one last time i'd say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1924">TS</a>]

00:32:07   they did the one on one aspect of it i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1927">TS</a>]

00:32:09   thought that illuminated Jake's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1929">TS</a>]

00:32:10   character and I don't even know it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1930">TS</a>]

00:32:12   intentional notice that so Jake is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1932">TS</a>]

00:32:14   from the future and he's having this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1934">TS</a>]

00:32:15   relationship with past lady and passed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1935">TS</a>]

00:32:18   lady for all her modernity still is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1938">TS</a>]

00:32:22   product of the gender roles of her time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1942">TS</a>]

00:32:24   and I thought that Jake seemed a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1944">TS</a>]

00:32:28   bit too okay with that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1948">TS</a>]

00:32:30   like that he's yeah you know it's ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1950">TS</a>]

00:32:32   but I you would think when I'm reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1952">TS</a>]

00:32:34   this I'm thinking boy if I was in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1954">TS</a>]

00:32:35   future and I was dealing with a female [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1955">TS</a>]

00:32:37   who was like this I would constantly be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1957">TS</a>]

00:32:38   saying you know you have rights and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1958">TS</a>]

00:32:41   shouldn't you be trying to turn them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1961">TS</a>]

00:32:42   into the river and liver because like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1962">TS</a>]

00:32:44   you don't want to put on like not gonna [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1964">TS</a>]

00:32:46   sometimes to you know it's so quite to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1966">TS</a>]

00:32:50   hear the phrase women's liver it's easy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1970">TS</a>]

00:32:52   to fall into the role of like well you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1972">TS</a>]

00:32:54   know what hey this is kind of nice [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1974">TS</a>]

00:32:56   she defers to me it makes me food and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1976">TS</a>]

00:32:58   that like you're planning a beer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1978">TS</a>]

00:33:00   yeah that's damning to jakes character [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1980">TS</a>]

00:33:02   or just a general you know the male [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1982">TS</a>]

00:33:04   characters like intellectually you might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1984">TS</a>]

00:33:06   know it's wrong but when you're in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1986">TS</a>]

00:33:07   environment you have someone who's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1987">TS</a>]

00:33:08   happy to serve you and you're like what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1988">TS</a>]

00:33:10   you know what i find it and that's I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1990">TS</a>]

00:33:12   thought that was a great comment it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1992">TS</a>]

00:33:13   whether it was intentional or not you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1993">TS</a>]

00:33:15   know and again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:15   Oh white male privilege you are so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1995">TS</a>]

00:33:17   convenient yeah responsive think Jake's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/1997">TS</a>]

00:33:21   a good guy but he he doesn't he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2001">TS</a>]

00:33:24   protest too much about that although i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2004">TS</a>]

00:33:26   could just stay here forever and let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2006">TS</a>]

00:33:27   Kennedy be assassinated and lick this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2007">TS</a>]

00:33:28   awesome life that I found with these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2008">TS</a>]

00:33:29   people right and yeah and not worry too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2009">TS</a>]

00:33:31   much about like Sadie I want you to get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2011">TS</a>]

00:33:33   away from your horrible former husband [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2013">TS</a>]

00:33:36   but don't you know it's okay if you stay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2016">TS</a>]

00:33:38   kind of like 50-60 woman you know you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2018">TS</a>]

00:33:41   don't have to go fully up to believe in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2021">TS</a>]

00:33:42   your equal human being with me as long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2022">TS</a>]

00:33:45   as you don't ask me to do the dishes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2025">TS</a>]

00:33:46   baby whenever he so so what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2026">TS</a>]

00:33:49   one of the things that happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2029">TS</a>]

00:33:50   throughout his trip his travels in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2030">TS</a>]

00:33:53   past is this sense that the the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2033">TS</a>]

00:33:57   doesn't want to be changed right what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2037">TS</a>]

00:34:00   want to see what does he call it is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2040">TS</a>]

00:34:02   the obdurate out here after after it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2042">TS</a>]

00:34:04   passed which I really liked that I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2044">TS</a>]

00:34:07   we've seen that in time travel stories [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2047">TS</a>]

00:34:10   before but I i really like that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2050">TS</a>]

00:34:12   that there will be some degree you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2052">TS</a>]

00:34:16   of of resistance from the past and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2056">TS</a>]

00:34:19   the conflict in the story isn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2059">TS</a>]

00:34:21   necessarily you know jake versus lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2061">TS</a>]

00:34:24   harvey oswald it's like jake versus [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2064">TS</a>]

00:34:26   history right vs [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2066">TS</a>]

00:34:28   the timeline versus what actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2068">TS</a>]

00:34:30   happened and he has to try and overcome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2070">TS</a>]

00:34:32   what actually happened and there are a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2072">TS</a>]

00:34:34   lot of kind of nice moments where I you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2074">TS</a>]

00:34:37   know terrible things happen to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2077">TS</a>]

00:34:39   especially when he's rushing to try and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2079">TS</a>]

00:34:41   get to dealey plaza on the day of where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2081">TS</a>]

00:34:43   one ridiculous thing after another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2083">TS</a>]

00:34:45   unbelievable the obstacles that history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2085">TS</a>]

00:34:47   keeps throwing it sits like a final [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2087">TS</a>]

00:34:49   destination movie at that point right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2089">TS</a>]

00:34:51   it's like everything is going to go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2091">TS</a>]

00:34:53   wrong yeah but I love in previous [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2093">TS</a>]

00:34:55   instances of the book they're very you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2095">TS</a>]

00:34:58   know he's very frustrated by the object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2098">TS</a>]

00:35:00   passes like i'll keep continually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2100">TS</a>]

00:35:01   hitting up against a wall and moving [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2101">TS</a>]

00:35:03   through fog but on that day they're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2103">TS</a>]

00:35:05   basically just like gap the past is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2105">TS</a>]

00:35:07   gonna try and stop us [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2107">TS</a>]

00:35:08   let's just roll with it it isn't that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2108">TS</a>]

00:35:10   their didn't really feel like there were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2110">TS</a>]

00:35:12   any snakes until you actually got into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2112">TS</a>]

00:35:14   the building where as in previous like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2114">TS</a>]

00:35:16   when we had the runs it was kinda like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2116">TS</a>]

00:35:18   you know when you when you realize that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2118">TS</a>]

00:35:20   you're you know skating on marbles or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2120">TS</a>]

00:35:22   whatever it's like is there's no other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2122">TS</a>]

00:35:25   option right now you just gotta go with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2125">TS</a>]

00:35:27   it you just gotta roll that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2127">TS</a>]

00:35:28   yeah plus the biggest source of internal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2128">TS</a>]

00:35:31   tension for him was gone because he had [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2131">TS</a>]

00:35:32   managed to convince say that he wasn't a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2132">TS</a>]

00:35:34   raving lunatic he was in fact the guy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2134">TS</a>]

00:35:36   from the future meant to kill the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2136">TS</a>]

00:35:37   president the future and what she was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2137">TS</a>]

00:35:39   okay with that and you convince himself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2139">TS</a>]

00:35:41   that oswald was the only deserve to die [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2141">TS</a>]

00:35:44   got ya [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2144">TS</a>]

00:35:45   honestly I think I wish he would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2145">TS</a>]

00:35:47   shot Oswald mom too because she was just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2147">TS</a>]

00:35:49   a piece of work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2149">TS</a>]

00:35:50   oh my gosh so penetrating Oswald is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2150">TS</a>]

00:35:53   fascinating because you know i i'm not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2153">TS</a>]

00:35:55   sure how how clearview people have Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2155">TS</a>]

00:35:57   Harvey Oswald as it as with many books [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2157">TS</a>]

00:35:59   that we've discussed on this on the on [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2159">TS</a>]

00:36:01   this podcast I'm not sure with her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2161">TS</a>]

00:36:03   whether you know I he did a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2163">TS</a>]

00:36:05   research for this so I'm gonna just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2165">TS</a>]

00:36:07   assume that I learned some interesting [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2167">TS</a>]

00:36:08   things about sort of how Lee Harvey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2168">TS</a>]

00:36:11   Oswald came to be and his and his you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2171">TS</a>]

00:36:15   know and I thought that was fascinating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2175">TS</a>]

00:36:16   to get a little idea of this guy and and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2176">TS</a>]

00:36:18   and to see you can kind of see how we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2178">TS</a>]

00:36:20   ended up the way he he did but that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2180">TS</a>]

00:36:22   not to say that you really have a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2182">TS</a>]

00:36:24   sympathy for you know what's a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2184">TS</a>]

00:36:25   freaky was was reading you know i'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2185">TS</a>]

00:36:29   reading the book last night and you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2189">TS</a>]

00:36:31   maybe halfway through at that point and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2191">TS</a>]

00:36:32   talking about a house walls and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2192">TS</a>]

00:36:34   family and it suddenly occurs to me like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2194">TS</a>]

00:36:36   his daughter must still be alive right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2196">TS</a>]

00:36:39   and his wife are like Google [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2199">TS</a>]

00:36:41   wife isn't really good he's going i know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2201">TS</a>]

00:36:43   i know i don't like his wife is still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2203">TS</a>]

00:36:45   but that kind of struck me was like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2205">TS</a>]

00:36:46   because I'd forgotten that i was reading [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2206">TS</a>]

00:36:48   a historical fiction book that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2208">TS</a>]

00:36:51   but that is about real PDF and so it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2211">TS</a>]

00:36:54   kind of there was a bizarre moment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2214">TS</a>]

00:36:55   like you know going to bed last night [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2215">TS</a>]

00:36:57   and read the book and suddenly realizing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2217">TS</a>]

00:36:58   i mean this isn't entirely fiction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2218">TS</a>]

00:37:01   this is a lot of this is no factual so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2221">TS</a>]

00:37:04   one of the things again given that this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2224">TS</a>]

00:37:06   book is called 11 22 63 i think one of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2226">TS</a>]

00:37:08   the interesting effects that I felt as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2228">TS</a>]

00:37:10   read it was as it got started I was very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2230">TS</a>]

00:37:12   excited about oh he's gonna go back in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2232">TS</a>]

00:37:14   time and what's gonna happen one of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2234">TS</a>]

00:37:15   mechanics of him changing and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2235">TS</a>]

00:37:17   interceding in the in the assassination [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2237">TS</a>]

00:37:19   and what's that gonna mean and i found [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2239">TS</a>]

00:37:22   after he left [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2242">TS</a>]

00:37:24   Jody and was focused entirely on Dallas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2244">TS</a>]

00:37:28   as the events got closer that i was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2248">TS</a>]

00:37:32   struck that I was not as interested as I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2252">TS</a>]

00:37:36   was in a it in Jake's life and his [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2256">TS</a>]

00:37:41   interpersonal relationships and it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2261">TS</a>]

00:37:43   funny and he's piece put it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2263">TS</a>]

00:37:44   they're all they're all constrained or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2264">TS</a>]

00:37:46   they're all that you know he's having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2266">TS</a>]

00:37:48   problems in his relationship with Sadie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2268">TS</a>]

00:37:50   at that point and he sort of falling out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2270">TS</a>]

00:37:52   with the people because they found out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2272">TS</a>]

00:37:53   that he falsified his his records as you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2273">TS</a>]

00:37:56   do when you're a time traveler but they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2276">TS</a>]

00:37:59   did anybody else have that have that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2279">TS</a>]

00:38:00   feeling like by the time I got to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2280">TS</a>]

00:38:02   real in-depth like the research and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2282">TS</a>]

00:38:05   imaginations about Oswald Stephen King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2285">TS</a>]

00:38:09   had taken me all the way around to where [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2289">TS</a>]

00:38:10   this book that i started reading that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2290">TS</a>]

00:38:12   was a about the Kennedy assassination by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2292">TS</a>]

00:38:14   the time it got to the mechanics of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2294">TS</a>]

00:38:16   Kennedy assassination I kind of wanted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2296">TS</a>]

00:38:18   to just go back to the guy who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2298">TS</a>]

00:38:19   teaching English in the small town in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2299">TS</a>]

00:38:20   Texas you kind of know going into the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2300">TS</a>]

00:38:23   book that even if he does succeed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2303">TS</a>]

00:38:25   preventing Kennedy's assassination it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2305">TS</a>]

00:38:28   not going to be for the better and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2308">TS</a>]

00:38:30   idea kind of builds up steam [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2310">TS</a>]

00:38:32   subconsciously and so the stakes are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2312">TS</a>]

00:38:34   kind of gone when you think about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2314">TS</a>]

00:38:36   whereas everything he does and Jody [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2316">TS</a>]

00:38:37   that's a whole blank slate why he can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2317">TS</a>]

00:38:39   reset it if it doesn't work out but he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2319">TS</a>]

00:38:41   can never reset his life right he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2321">TS</a>]

00:38:43   experiencing the stakes are so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2323">TS</a>]

00:38:45   higher for him when their personal then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2325">TS</a>]

00:38:47   want this big abstract save the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2327">TS</a>]

00:38:49   cheerleader save the world type mission [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2329">TS</a>]

00:38:50   and anyone who's read up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2330">TS</a>]

00:38:55   anyone who's a fan of alternate history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2335">TS</a>]

00:38:56   or alternate fiction tends to know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2336">TS</a>]

00:38:59   these authorial exercises are usually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2339">TS</a>]

00:39:01   predicated on the notion that history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2341">TS</a>]

00:39:03   has worked out for the best and this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2343">TS</a>]

00:39:05   book is is really no exception to that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2345">TS</a>]

00:39:08   so you kind of go into that with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2348">TS</a>]

00:39:10   bedrock premise throwing in the back of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2350">TS</a>]

00:39:12   your mind and then the question just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2352">TS</a>]

00:39:13   becomes ok how is king going to write [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2353">TS</a>]

00:39:15   himself out of this where you have to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2355">TS</a>]

00:39:17   okay with the fact that he has to let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2357">TS</a>]

00:39:19   Kennedy died and i think he I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2359">TS</a>]

00:39:21   pulls out a very tidy ending but the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2361">TS</a>]

00:39:24   fact is that shooting the president has [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2364">TS</a>]

00:39:26   the those have far lower dramatic and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2366">TS</a>]

00:39:28   personal stakes to somebody who's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2368">TS</a>]

00:39:30   invested in Jake and Jody the town then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2370">TS</a>]

00:39:33   you know the the dramatics takes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2373">TS</a>]

00:39:34   inherent in what goes on between Jake [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2374">TS</a>]

00:39:36   and Sadie and save his crazy ex and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2376">TS</a>]

00:39:39   town of Jody you know I mean I could to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2379">TS</a>]

00:39:40   be frank I couldn't have cared less if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2380">TS</a>]

00:39:42   it can be got shot or didn't get shot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2382">TS</a>]

00:39:44   I've got a lot more interesting isn't it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2384">TS</a>]

00:39:45   is funny that we get to that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2385">TS</a>]

00:39:47   though and I think that says something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2387">TS</a>]

00:39:48   that's about the effectiveness of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2388">TS</a>]

00:39:50   story of the king is telling us by the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2390">TS</a>]

00:39:52   time i get to i get to Oswald I'm more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2392">TS</a>]

00:39:54   concerned about how dealing with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2394">TS</a>]

00:39:56   assassination is going to affect Jake's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2396">TS</a>]

00:39:58   life about the course of of of history [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2398">TS</a>]

00:40:01   whether whether or not it doesn't work [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2401">TS</a>]

00:40:04   out and and and he ends up discovering [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2404">TS</a>]

00:40:07   that that it isn't this assumption that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2407">TS</a>]

00:40:09   Alice made that it's going to be better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2409">TS</a>]

00:40:11   with Kennedy living may not be true so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2411">TS</a>]

00:40:14   you know so yeah so I i never really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2414">TS</a>]

00:40:19   made the case for why Kennedy should be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2419">TS</a>]

00:40:21   saved like it was half-hearted was that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2421">TS</a>]

00:40:23   we got out i'll make the case to Jake to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2423">TS</a>]

00:40:25   convince him like this is an important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2425">TS</a>]

00:40:27   thing to do and Jake goes yeah but you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2427">TS</a>]

00:40:28   know well would that really made a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2428">TS</a>]

00:40:30   difference in our low know what I made a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2430">TS</a>]

00:40:32   big difference in these kids will be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2432">TS</a>]

00:40:33   dying in Vietnam and and we would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2433">TS</a>]

00:40:35   all this then you must be dying in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2435">TS</a>]

00:40:36   nuclear holocaust and such like a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2436">TS</a>]

00:40:39   it's not much of a case like he hasn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2439">TS</a>]

00:40:41   made the case to the reader i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2441">TS</a>]

00:40:43   that's valid in some ways right because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2443">TS</a>]

00:40:45   you know what happens [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2445">TS</a>]

00:40:47   al kills himself before Jay can really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2447">TS</a>]

00:40:49   nail it down right and in some ways that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2449">TS</a>]

00:40:52   Spurs Jake into action without really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2452">TS</a>]

00:40:54   thinking well is this really worth doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2454">TS</a>]

00:40:56   or not he's just sort of pushed along by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2456">TS</a>]

00:40:58   events [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2458">TS</a>]

00:40:59   yeah I think I think you needed I if I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2459">TS</a>]

00:41:02   had that beginning section of the book I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2462">TS</a>]

00:41:04   Jake to do what Jake did I think he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2464">TS</a>]

00:41:06   would have needed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2466">TS</a>]

00:41:08   stronger motivation was provided to him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2468">TS</a>]

00:41:10   so by the end when the end of the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2470">TS</a>]

00:41:11   comes along obviously we're more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2471">TS</a>]

00:41:12   invested in a local story and we're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2472">TS</a>]

00:41:14   you know what I wasn't convinced that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2474">TS</a>]

00:41:17   did decade was worth saving that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2477">TS</a>]

00:41:19   make a big difference and Jake didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2479">TS</a>]

00:41:21   seem that convinced them it's like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2481">TS</a>]

00:41:22   think it's a failure of the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2482">TS</a>]

00:41:24   motivation of the plots successful in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2484">TS</a>]

00:41:27   that we like Jake's new story and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2487">TS</a>]

00:41:28   personal stakes more important but it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2488">TS</a>]

00:41:29   a kind of a failure that it's not a big [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2489">TS</a>]

00:41:32   turnaround from this really strong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2492">TS</a>]

00:41:33   motivation to save JFK cause I felt like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2493">TS</a>]

00:41:35   very early on and maybe it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2495">TS</a>]

00:41:37   because like Lisa said you know this you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2497">TS</a>]

00:41:40   know this is not going to be i'll save [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2500">TS</a>]

00:41:42   them and everything will be better you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2502">TS</a>]

00:41:44   know that's not gonna happen so well I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2504">TS</a>]

00:41:47   think there's this idea that pervades [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2507">TS</a>]

00:41:48   pop culture or at least pop-culture [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2508">TS</a>]

00:41:50   million baby boomers have a certain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2510">TS</a>]

00:41:51   stripe that that's the key phrase I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2511">TS</a>]

00:41:53   think if only Kennedy had lived this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2513">TS</a>]

00:41:55   golden era of Camelot would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2515">TS</a>]

00:41:57   continued through 1968 and everyone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2517">TS</a>]

00:42:01   would have skipped hands as they walked [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2521">TS</a>]

00:42:02   into the yeah everyone skip would skip [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2522">TS</a>]

00:42:04   hands they walked into the peace corps [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2524">TS</a>]

00:42:05   and the war on poverty would have been [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2525">TS</a>]

00:42:06   affected and civil rights would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2526">TS</a>]

00:42:08   happened painlessly blah blah blah and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2528">TS</a>]

00:42:10   so because Kennedy died everyone sees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2530">TS</a>]

00:42:12   that this sort of helpful baby boomer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2532">TS</a>]

00:42:14   Rob productive alternate future going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2534">TS</a>]

00:42:17   with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:17   it's the flashpoint theory right yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2537">TS</a>]

00:42:19   that's the idea that there is a single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2539">TS</a>]

00:42:21   event that causes all these ripples [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2541">TS</a>]

00:42:23   whereas i think was fascinating that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2543">TS</a>]

00:42:25   baby through in the Ray Bradbury's very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2545">TS</a>]

00:42:28   sound of thunder know where is you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2548">TS</a>]

00:42:30   the idea of this originating idea of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2550">TS</a>]

00:42:32   this butter the butterfly effect whereas [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2552">TS</a>]

00:42:34   you know in theory in this time-travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2554">TS</a>]

00:42:36   universe it's it's just as important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2556">TS</a>]

00:42:40   it's like Kennedy dying is just as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2560">TS</a>]

00:42:41   important as I'm stepping on a butterfly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2561">TS</a>]

00:42:43   depending on how you look at it right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2563">TS</a>]

00:42:45   because they both have ripples it's just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2565">TS</a>]

00:42:47   a question of what what they they touch [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2567">TS</a>]

00:42:49   but I think to John's point that that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2569">TS</a>]

00:42:51   Stephen King being older than us and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2571">TS</a>]

00:42:55   having lived through this and there is a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2575">TS</a>]

00:42:57   resonance that I think is suggested and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2577">TS</a>]

00:43:00   that Allah be asleep feels and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2580">TS</a>]

00:43:02   Stephen clearly feels that having lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2582">TS</a>]

00:43:04   through it that that of course people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2584">TS</a>]

00:43:05   think oh if only Kennedy had lived I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2585">TS</a>]

00:43:08   think it's because we're more cynical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2588">TS</a>]

00:43:09   and that generation became cynical when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2589">TS</a>]

00:43:11   the president was assassinated that was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2591">TS</a>]

00:43:12   like the end of the innocence for that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2592">TS</a>]

00:43:14   generation I think you take that is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2594">TS</a>]

00:43:16   given that the reason that stephen king [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2596">TS</a>]

00:43:17   he does a little bit of work to say well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2597">TS</a>]

00:43:20   now here's why it's important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2600">TS</a>]

00:43:21   Kennedy we should not be assassinated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2601">TS</a>]

00:43:23   but you know he can he goes in with a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2603">TS</a>]

00:43:26   little stronger implicit kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2606">TS</a>]

00:43:28   assumption that you know of course we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2608">TS</a>]

00:43:29   all feel like you know what would have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2609">TS</a>]

00:43:32   happened and it would have been better [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2612">TS</a>]

00:43:33   because then things got got you know got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2613">TS</a>]

00:43:36   that whereas those of us who didn't live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2616">TS</a>]

00:43:38   through that look back in like really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2618">TS</a>]

00:43:39   with that would have been or wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2619">TS</a>]

00:43:41   matter and you get cynical everything we [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2621">TS</a>]

00:43:43   don't we don't buy that line of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2623">TS</a>]

00:43:44   reasoning about to be another reason not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2624">TS</a>]

00:43:46   to buy it is when you look at the cycles [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2626">TS</a>]

00:43:48   of human history or cultural history no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2628">TS</a>]

00:43:51   one idea ever pops up in isolation like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2631">TS</a>]

00:43:53   ideas get replicated across cultures in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2633">TS</a>]

00:43:55   certain time periods all the time and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2635">TS</a>]

00:43:58   even if Kennedy had been a precipitating [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2638">TS</a>]

00:44:00   event towards this generational shift [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2640">TS</a>]

00:44:02   into hippie demand Vietnam and so on and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2642">TS</a>]

00:44:05   so forth [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2645">TS</a>]

00:44:06   even if he had lived something else [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2646">TS</a>]

00:44:07   would have prodded idea people seem to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2647">TS</a>]

00:44:09   forget that Richard Nixon was going to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2649">TS</a>]

00:44:10   be successful politician the sixties no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2650">TS</a>]

00:44:12   matter what so 11 sad thing i think last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2652">TS</a>]

00:44:15   thing I know one thing that bothered me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2655">TS</a>]

00:44:17   is a when Jake emerges from the portal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2657">TS</a>]

00:44:22   back into the future after he's done all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2662">TS</a>]

00:44:24   this and lived this life we see that as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2664">TS</a>]

00:44:28   we've as we've set up to this point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2668">TS</a>]

00:44:30   there isn't a good future that after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2670">TS</a>]

00:44:33   he's changed the past and safe Kennedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2673">TS</a>]

00:44:36   there are all these earthquakes and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2676">TS</a>]

00:44:39   know nuclear war and the mean is now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2679">TS</a>]

00:44:42   part of canada and there's not a lot of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2682">TS</a>]

00:44:44   power they only power a few days and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2684">TS</a>]

00:44:46   they're hoodlums who were running around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2686">TS</a>]

00:44:49   with the islands in Canada this can't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2689">TS</a>]

00:44:51   teenage hoodlums in canada and this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2691">TS</a>]

00:44:56   one of my problems with it is is I don't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2696">TS</a>]

00:44:57   mind the fact that there's a really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2697">TS</a>]

00:45:00   quick recap of history from that point 2 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2700">TS</a>]

00:45:03   2011 i don't i don't mind that because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2703">TS</a>]

00:45:06   that is sort of not the point of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2706">TS</a>]

00:45:07   book to to detail the old history of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2707">TS</a>]

00:45:09   what's happened since then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2709">TS</a>]

00:45:10   what bothers me is it feels it felt to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2710">TS</a>]

00:45:13   me kinda like a cop out that the moment [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2713">TS</a>]

00:45:15   that he changes the past there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2715">TS</a>]

00:45:18   earthquakes and you know count there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2718">TS</a>]

00:45:22   giant earthquake in Los Angeles and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2722">TS</a>]

00:45:23   things like that get that it wasn't just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2723">TS</a>]

00:45:25   the past that he changed it was like oh [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2725">TS</a>]

00:45:26   and also this reason you broke the users [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2726">TS</a>]

00:45:29   reinforces tearing their at the part so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2729">TS</a>]

00:45:31   it's like well I might have worked out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2731">TS</a>]

00:45:32   it's not like an alright time travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2732">TS</a>]

00:45:34   story it's like what you did change its [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2734">TS</a>]

00:45:36   like what you did and by the way of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2736">TS</a>]

00:45:38   quakes and stuff that are and by the way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2738">TS</a>]

00:45:40   earthquakes should be that I'd like to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2740">TS</a>]

00:45:43   have seen the argument that Kennedy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2743">TS</a>]

00:45:44   would have not made the letter table and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2744">TS</a>]

00:45:50   was impeached if he had right exactly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2750">TS</a>]

00:45:52   I don't think that's important i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2752">TS</a>]

00:45:54   don't think that the Kennedy factor of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2754">TS</a>]

00:45:56   it is it is important at all what we're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2756">TS</a>]

00:45:58   talking about it to say that I think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2758">TS</a>]

00:46:00   it's not so much that you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2760">TS</a>]

00:46:02   ok yes he stopped me from being killed [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2762">TS</a>]

00:46:04   and that was a big change but i think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2764">TS</a>]

00:46:08   the fact that you know there's also this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2768">TS</a>]

00:46:10   cumulative effect that they start [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2770">TS</a>]

00:46:11   talking about the end right if so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2771">TS</a>]

00:46:13   things that I've gotten changed so much [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2773">TS</a>]

00:46:15   has gotten out of balance with all the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2775">TS</a>]

00:46:17   vowels trips back and forth is the meat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2777">TS</a>]

00:46:19   hamburger [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:19   well that's alright and we say it was a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2779">TS</a>]

00:46:22   yellow card man is bonkers it's been 40 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2782">TS</a>]

00:46:24   years of beef so everything the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2784">TS</a>]

00:46:27   reality is unstable and again you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2787">TS</a>]

00:46:30   not to hurt by too much but if you you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2790">TS</a>]

00:46:31   know there isn't there is another [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2791">TS</a>]

00:46:32   residence with the dark tower here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2792">TS</a>]

00:46:33   whereas there's this idea of the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2793">TS</a>]

00:46:35   sort of shaking itself apart because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2795">TS</a>]

00:46:37   people keep screwing with it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2797">TS</a>]

00:46:39   yeah I would have loved to see more [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2799">TS</a>]

00:46:41   earthquake-type things happening earlier [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2801">TS</a>]

00:46:43   on where you get the idea that the world [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2803">TS</a>]

00:46:46   is slowly falling apart rather than 0 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2806">TS</a>]

00:46:48   the second JFK guys and right you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2808">TS</a>]

00:46:51   Sadie dies everything goes to hell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2811">TS</a>]

00:46:54   la falls off the coast to have he makes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2814">TS</a>]

00:46:56   it on a horse race in the horse that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2816">TS</a>]

00:46:58   knows is the winner of the Triple Crown [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2818">TS</a>]

00:47:00   breaks its leg right now and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2820">TS</a>]

00:47:02   oh geez [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2822">TS</a>]

00:47:03   wait a second something is not quite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2823">TS</a>]

00:47:05   right a little bit he comes back five [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2825">TS</a>]

00:47:07   years which isn't it well you know he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2827">TS</a>]

00:47:09   gotta wait five years which is important [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2829">TS</a>]

00:47:10   to the whole plot of the book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2830">TS</a>]

00:47:11   everything but realistically speaking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2831">TS</a>]

00:47:13   realistically speaking at a time travel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2833">TS</a>]

00:47:15   story if you if you put a single person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2835">TS</a>]

00:47:18   from the future into the past five years [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2838">TS</a>]

00:47:20   on there is no way that lee harvey [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2840">TS</a>]

00:47:22   oswald get that same apartment at JFK [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2842">TS</a>]

00:47:24   had it goes to dallas at the same time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2844">TS</a>]

00:47:26   he drives in the convertible was out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2846">TS</a>]

00:47:28   that's honest there's no way because the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2848">TS</a>]

00:47:30   the the changes of I mean it's debatable [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2850">TS</a>]

00:47:34   that even if you blink that guy into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2854">TS</a>]

00:47:35   existence for three secondary tap one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2855">TS</a>]

00:47:37   guy in the shoulder in florida and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2857">TS</a>]

00:47:38   disappeared [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2858">TS</a>]

00:47:39   there's no way those people in the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2859">TS</a>]

00:47:40   spot well that's where the obdurate plat [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2860">TS</a>]

00:47:41   maps comes in and how you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2861">TS</a>]

00:47:43   it's how you define you have to have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2863">TS</a>]

00:47:45   correcting effect because you're right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2865">TS</a>]

00:47:47   otherwise things will become a different [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2867">TS</a>]

00:47:48   you know the hamburger meat not being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2868">TS</a>]

00:47:50   available would be enough rushing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2870">TS</a>]

00:47:53   everything freaks out right on his last [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2873">TS</a>]

00:47:55   trip back when he starts like oh my god [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2875">TS</a>]

00:47:57   I mean what have I done just by buying [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2877">TS</a>]

00:47:59   you know a shirt or taking is randy was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2879">TS</a>]

00:48:02   found he was right but ya again once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2882">TS</a>]

00:48:04   again there's this unseen force that you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2884">TS</a>]

00:48:06   know whatever this this this forces that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2886">TS</a>]

00:48:08   since the King loves doing this he never [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2888">TS</a>]

00:48:10   calls the god or anything or tries not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2890">TS</a>]

00:48:12   to call it God but it's just like me [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2892">TS</a>]

00:48:13   except at the end of the stand the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2893">TS</a>]

00:48:15   unseen force that's its handmade it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2895">TS</a>]

00:48:17   it's him the writer real like a light [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2897">TS</a>]

00:48:19   motif through all of his workers that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2899">TS</a>]

00:48:20   there are forces beyond your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2900">TS</a>]

00:48:21   comprehensive and that 20 of you and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2901">TS</a>]

00:48:24   they had and they have a purpose in that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2904">TS</a>]

00:48:25   a plot you know I think the one thing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2905">TS</a>]

00:48:27   that's sort of subtle here that is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2907">TS</a>]

00:48:29   it's brought up towards the end of the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2909">TS</a>]

00:48:30   book but i think it's interesting is not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2910">TS</a>]

00:48:33   just the obdurate pass but the object [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2913">TS</a>]

00:48:34   itself whereas in theory right Jake says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2914">TS</a>]

00:48:38   well I can just go back and fix [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2918">TS</a>]

00:48:42   everything I did wrong the first time [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2922">TS</a>]

00:48:45   right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2925">TS</a>]

00:48:46   it's just too bad your shoulder right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2926">TS</a>]

00:48:49   exactly and but i don't know about you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2929">TS</a>]

00:48:51   but like you know in some ways that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2931">TS</a>]

00:48:52   might feel like a cop-out but in this he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2932">TS</a>]

00:48:54   decides he can't do it and I felt the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2934">TS</a>]

00:48:56   weight of that yeah it makes you feel [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2936">TS</a>]

00:48:58   tired you just read all these pages [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2938">TS</a>]

00:49:00   well I I'm not just that but i can think [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2940">TS</a>]

00:49:02   about all that he has been through and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2942">TS</a>]

00:49:04   all having to go through and change the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2944">TS</a>]

00:49:06   past but he can't change his life he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2946">TS</a>]

00:49:08   living his life and that cannot be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2948">TS</a>]

00:49:10   erased [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2950">TS</a>]

00:49:11   you know he he has to live with the fact [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2951">TS</a>]

00:49:14   that he lived those five years and that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2954">TS</a>]

00:49:16   can eat can hit the reset button on the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2956">TS</a>]

00:49:18   universe that doesn't matter he felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2958">TS</a>]

00:49:20   like I was on memory and and and saw her [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2960">TS</a>]

00:49:23   be horribly wounded men killed by lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2963">TS</a>]

00:49:26   harvey oswald ouch i was done i was kind [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2966">TS</a>]

00:49:30   of rooting for him to go to Groundhog [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2970">TS</a>]

00:49:32   Day it in the beginning of the book of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2972">TS</a>]

00:49:34   micah it'll be neat if you did the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2974">TS</a>]

00:49:35   groundhog day think i'm gonna became [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2975">TS</a>]

00:49:36   clear that he was going to do a 1 1 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2976">TS</a>]

00:49:38   iteration groundhog and dairy and I saw [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2978">TS</a>]

00:49:41   how many pages took him to do that I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2981">TS</a>]

00:49:42   realized there's not enough room Graham [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2982">TS</a>]

00:49:44   to do it for the rest but I wouldn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2984">TS</a>]

00:49:45   perfectly happy for him to Groundhog Day [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2985">TS</a>]

00:49:47   the whole book now see that that would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2987">TS</a>]

00:49:49   work for me live years when you gone [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2989">TS</a>]

00:49:52   crazy after your number I was not sure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2992">TS</a>]

00:49:54   that that Stephen King was going to do [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2994">TS</a>]

00:49:56   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:56   and say so i decided that since I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2996">TS</a>]

00:49:58   couldn't change the past i would just go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/2998">TS</a>]

00:50:00   back and meet all those people and live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3000">TS</a>]

00:50:01   my life in that little town in Texas no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3001">TS</a>]

00:50:04   I mean iterations like more than once [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3004">TS</a>]

00:50:06   right like five just like Groundhog's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3006">TS</a>]

00:50:08   Day where the first time it takes a long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3008">TS</a>]

00:50:09   time and that's a very different book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3009">TS</a>]

00:50:11   yeah right lost all the weight it would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3011">TS</a>]

00:50:13   have lost all the emotional weight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3013">TS</a>]

00:50:15   yeah I will say there's a point at after [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3015">TS</a>]

00:50:18   city dies where he is considering that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3018">TS</a>]

00:50:20   Jason was like well just you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3020">TS</a>]

00:50:22   could just go back and live in my life [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3022">TS</a>]

00:50:24   and ignore JFK and all of that before [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3024">TS</a>]

00:50:27   yeah but that that moment when he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3027">TS</a>]

00:50:30   contemplating that you is the reader [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3030">TS</a>]

00:50:32   just kind of think oh gosh she has I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3032">TS</a>]

00:50:33   mean can you imagine having to you live [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3033">TS</a>]

00:50:36   through the beginning of the Sadie [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3036">TS</a>]

00:50:37   relationship in the middle of the city [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3037">TS</a>]

00:50:39   relationship and all of that and having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3039">TS</a>]

00:50:41   to go through all those steps again and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3041">TS</a>]

00:50:43   also because you see in the first town [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3043">TS</a>]

00:50:46   in Maine where you know that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3046">TS</a>]

00:50:48   basically playing through a script if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3048">TS</a>]

00:50:50   you can you imagine having to relive [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3050">TS</a>]

00:50:52   through some of these moments and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3052">TS</a>]

00:50:54   basically feel like you're on script [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3054">TS</a>]

00:50:56   yeah you will be able to do it now [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3056">TS</a>]

00:50:58   because you're watching doom little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3058">TS</a>]

00:50:59   children and that he wouldn't fall in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3059">TS</a>]

00:51:01   love with him thats that's the problem [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3061">TS</a>]

00:51:03   not just because the older but she [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3063">TS</a>]

00:51:04   wouldn't have loved him because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3064">TS</a>]

00:51:05   wouldn't have been the same person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3065">TS</a>]

00:51:07   yeah well I wouldn't know everything [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3067">TS</a>]

00:51:08   that would happen right so you know just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3068">TS</a>]

00:51:10   you just you know living through that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3070">TS</a>]

00:51:12   changes he was a person you're not ready [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3072">TS</a>]

00:51:14   to have that romantic like you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3074">TS</a>]

00:51:16   you're not ready to make the action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3076">TS</a>]

00:51:17   that's the key of the book right you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3077">TS</a>]

00:51:19   can't go back and change the past [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3079">TS</a>]

00:51:20   because it's already been lived through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3080">TS</a>]

00:51:22   it that way you know that I think that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3082">TS</a>]

00:51:24   the that's the conclusion that he comes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3084">TS</a>]

00:51:26   to write this are already happened in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3086">TS</a>]

00:51:29   some ways I can't make it happen again [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3089">TS</a>]

00:51:32   even if i'm not seeing it from like the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3092">TS</a>]

00:51:34   first person perspective so i have to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3094">TS</a>]

00:51:37   let it be and he you know he makes that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3097">TS</a>]

00:51:41   huge decision at a certain point to say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3101">TS</a>]

00:51:42   you know do I save you I go back and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3102">TS</a>]

00:51:46   spend all the time with love my life or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3106">TS</a>]

00:51:49   do I essentially you know take the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3109">TS</a>]

00:51:52   sacrifice and save the larger you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3112">TS</a>]

00:51:54   save the world at large as such as it is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3114">TS</a>]

00:51:56   so in a in a previous podcast i believe [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3116">TS</a>]

00:52:00   the it might have been there Neal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3120">TS</a>]

00:52:01   Stephenson podcast I I said something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3121">TS</a>]

00:52:05   negative about Stephen King which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3125">TS</a>]

00:52:06   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3126">TS</a>]

00:52:07   I I I said that you know stylistically I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3127">TS</a>]

00:52:11   thought that there are plenty of writers [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3131">TS</a>]

00:52:13   who have sort of more more flair and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3133">TS</a>]

00:52:15   more style than Stephen King and you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3135">TS</a>]

00:52:17   know he is not a showy writer he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3137">TS</a>]

00:52:20   workman like he has he has a style all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3140">TS</a>]

00:52:23   the all his own but it is very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3143">TS</a>]

00:52:24   recognizable you could give me a page a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3144">TS</a>]

00:52:27   Stephen King and I bet without any name [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3147">TS</a>]

00:52:29   on it and I bet you I could figure out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3149">TS</a>]

00:52:31   that it was Stephen King because he does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3151">TS</a>]

00:52:33   have a style but what struck me in this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3153">TS</a>]

00:52:35   story is he he is a great storyteller he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3155">TS</a>]

00:52:40   oh yeah he is that the thing that sets [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3160">TS</a>]

00:52:43   him apart is it mean he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3163">TS</a>]

00:52:45   interesting world building and he's got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3165">TS</a>]

00:52:47   an interesting perspective and his style [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3167">TS</a>]

00:52:48   is kind of interesting but he is just a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3168">TS</a>]

00:52:50   great storyteller this this story these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3170">TS</a>]

00:52:53   characters i was absolutely engrossed in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3173">TS</a>]

00:52:57   in in this story and so although people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3177">TS</a>]

00:53:00   i think beat up Stephen King because he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3180">TS</a>]

00:53:02   had such success and he sold so many [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3182">TS</a>]

00:53:03   books any rights [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3183">TS</a>]

00:53:05   he's written so many books is John and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3185">TS</a>]

00:53:07   Lisa can attest he he he really is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3187">TS</a>]

00:53:11   remarkable at spinning a story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3191">TS</a>]

00:53:15   making you want to follow absolutely i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3195">TS</a>]

00:53:17   will go blue in the face defending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3197">TS</a>]

00:53:19   stephen king's a craftsman because I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3199">TS</a>]

00:53:21   think he's a master of the storytelling [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3201">TS</a>]

00:53:22   craft I I think he has a I think he I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3202">TS</a>]

00:53:25   think he thinks long and hard about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3205">TS</a>]

00:53:27   best way to tell a story that's meant as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3207">TS</a>]

00:53:29   a good word for two because I mean and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3209">TS</a>]

00:53:31   if you read on writing which is an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3211">TS</a>]

00:53:32   excellent book anybody who are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3212">TS</a>]

00:53:34   should read it's great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3214">TS</a>]

00:53:35   yes but craftsman also in this is that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3215">TS</a>]

00:53:37   he is not going to be the most poetic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3217">TS</a>]

00:53:40   right he of writers he is not he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3220">TS</a>]

00:53:43   have that he has a workmanlike in a good [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3223">TS</a>]

00:53:46   way a craftsman you know he is a crap [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3226">TS</a>]

00:53:50   crafter of stories and of language and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3230">TS</a>]

00:53:52   he knows what he's doing and he does a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3232">TS</a>]

00:53:55   very good job of it and that that's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3235">TS</a>]

00:53:57   to be looked down on because there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3237">TS</a>]

00:53:59   lots of people who've written lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3239">TS</a>]

00:54:00   highfalutin pros that has beautiful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3240">TS</a>]

00:54:02   fragments and beautiful sentences and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3242">TS</a>]

00:54:05   and it falls apart as terrible as a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3245">TS</a>]

00:54:07   whole thing right thinking it has a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3247">TS</a>]

00:54:09   superb grasp on on the language that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3249">TS</a>]

00:54:11   chooses an individual word choices [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3251">TS</a>]

00:54:13   because he I know a lot of people say [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3253">TS</a>]

00:54:16   he's worthy but he does a great job with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3256">TS</a>]

00:54:18   one or two well-turned sentences that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3258">TS</a>]

00:54:19   will remain [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3259">TS</a>]

00:54:20   your brain indelible um I find his word [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3260">TS</a>]

00:54:23   choices to actually quite economical [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3263">TS</a>]

00:54:24   sometime and very very evocative I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3264">TS</a>]

00:54:28   he's not going to be one of these these [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3268">TS</a>]

00:54:29   pro stylist where you fall to your knees [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3269">TS</a>]

00:54:30   and reference over the the the whale is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3270">TS</a>]

00:54:33   his his words it's like poetry and art [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3273">TS</a>]

00:54:35   of angels wept you know but it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3275">TS</a>]

00:54:38   instead you can you can actually see [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3278">TS</a>]

00:54:39   these people and hear them the rest of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3279">TS</a>]

00:54:41   your head as you have nothing up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3281">TS</a>]

00:54:43   no that's fantastic you know he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3283">TS</a>]

00:54:45   use flashy words but he doesn't tells a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3285">TS</a>]

00:54:47   good story and stuff like that I and one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3287">TS</a>]

00:54:50   example comes up from the great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3290">TS</a>]

00:54:51   literature is like Hemingway very simple [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3291">TS</a>]

00:54:53   writing right but he was you know it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3293">TS</a>]

00:54:55   can get a lot of a few simple words are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3295">TS</a>]

00:54:57   with stephen king of the complaint does [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3297">TS</a>]

00:54:59   not so much that you're not so much as [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3299">TS</a>]

00:55:01   like Hemingway is just that he's corny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3301">TS</a>]

00:55:03   that is you know kind of ham-fisted and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3303">TS</a>]

00:55:05   corny and number Donna thing which is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3305">TS</a>]

00:55:07   classic old-school Stephen King people [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3307">TS</a>]

00:55:09   like yeah but that's kinda like if you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3309">TS</a>]

00:55:11   don't but you don't buy into that you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3311">TS</a>]

00:55:12   into it so the passage that highlighted [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3312">TS</a>]

00:55:14   here is it's corny I it's cliche and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3314">TS</a>]

00:55:20   it's like Adam when i read it I'm like I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3320">TS</a>]

00:55:22   he didn't make that up because I must [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3322">TS</a>]

00:55:24   have read that before because it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3324">TS</a>]

00:55:25   corny and it's so cliche but the magic [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3325">TS</a>]

00:55:27   of stephen king and the reason why i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3327">TS</a>]

00:55:29   think is actually a quite a good writer [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3329">TS</a>]

00:55:31   in his own way I ignoring the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3331">TS</a>]

00:55:33   storytelling entirely is that you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3333">TS</a>]

00:55:35   get you to a point with all his other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3335">TS</a>]

00:55:37   skills and tools to wear this corny [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3337">TS</a>]

00:55:41   cliche thing that you swear you've heard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3341">TS</a>]

00:55:43   before like a Hallmark greeting card [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3343">TS</a>]

00:55:45   wraps around it wraps all the way around [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3345">TS</a>]

00:55:47   the corner meter and pops back up into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3347">TS</a>]

00:55:49   like emotional resonance and you're like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3349">TS</a>]

00:55:51   that how did he even do that and so this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3351">TS</a>]

00:55:54   is towards the end of the book it's two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3354">TS</a>]

00:55:56   sentences where he's a he's writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3356">TS</a>]

00:55:59   about how everything has ended with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3359">TS</a>]

00:56:02   Sadie and everything like that he says [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3362">TS</a>]

00:56:04   hearts don't really break if only they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3364">TS</a>]

00:56:06   could in isolation if you have not read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3366">TS</a>]

00:56:10   this book you like this guy's an awful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3370">TS</a>]

00:56:11   red come on it's not really they could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3371">TS</a>]

00:56:13   but when i read that line like you got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3373">TS</a>]

00:56:15   me he he managed he manages to make that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3375">TS</a>]

00:56:18   line that line their work because of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3378">TS</a>]

00:56:20   everything that's built around it and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3380">TS</a>]

00:56:22   you know it allows you to disable the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3382">TS</a>]

00:56:24   part of your mind that's going to shoot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3384">TS</a>]

00:56:26   that those students sentences down with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3386">TS</a>]

00:56:27   lasers and say this is not good writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3387">TS</a>]

00:56:29   sir you need to think hard about what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3389">TS</a>]

00:56:31   you're going to right now because you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3391">TS</a>]

00:56:32   think if hearts could break them [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3392">TS</a>]

00:56:33   you'd be out of your misery I know it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3393">TS</a>]

00:56:35   a cliché is a hallmark card it's not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3395">TS</a>]

00:56:37   terrible home with its it's cheap it's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3397">TS</a>]

00:56:40   cheap insight right it's a cheap insight [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3400">TS</a>]

00:56:43   but he really earned it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3403">TS</a>]

00:56:45   yeah I'm right and I highlighted that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3405">TS</a>]

00:56:47   passage unlike you got me heartbroken [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3407">TS</a>]

00:56:49   character who has lived through this to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3409">TS</a>]

00:56:52   get to that point [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3412">TS</a>]

00:56:53   mmm the key to this book and we've lived [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3413">TS</a>]

00:56:55   through and we lived it within no no I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3415">TS</a>]

00:56:57   found the key it's the last page [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3417">TS</a>]

00:56:59   actually um this is the this is the part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3419">TS</a>]

00:57:01   i highlighted where it says she is in a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3421">TS</a>]

00:57:04   dream and so am i like all sweet dreams [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3424">TS</a>]

00:57:06   will be brief but brevity make sweetness [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3426">TS</a>]

00:57:07   doesn't it yes i think so because when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3427">TS</a>]

00:57:09   the time is gone you could never get it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3429">TS</a>]

00:57:11   back [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:11   yeah this is a graphic Stephen King [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3431">TS</a>]

00:57:14   where he spent so little time doing that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3434">TS</a>]

00:57:16   thing that we're just talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3436">TS</a>]

00:57:17   where he's like he's like talking to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3437">TS</a>]

00:57:19   reader about about the medic question [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3439">TS</a>]

00:57:22   and the ennui and you know lots of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3442">TS</a>]

00:57:24   writers do that throughout the whole [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3444">TS</a>]

00:57:25   book stephen king is like straight ahead [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3445">TS</a>]

00:57:27   i'm going to tell you a story and he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3447">TS</a>]

00:57:28   saves that he saves that he doesn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3448">TS</a>]

00:57:30   spend the whole book having people you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3450">TS</a>]

00:57:32   know the author or the character or the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3452">TS</a>]

00:57:34   narrator or anybody especially with the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3454">TS</a>]

00:57:36   narrator's a lot of times in areas just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3456">TS</a>]

00:57:38   like here's what happened on this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3458">TS</a>]

00:57:39   happened happened then and then you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3459">TS</a>]

00:57:40   in the middle and the end a pivotal [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3460">TS</a>]

00:57:42   scene the narrative will say two [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3462">TS</a>]

00:57:43   sentences that are not advancing the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3463">TS</a>]

00:57:45   plot that are commenting on the action [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3465">TS</a>]

00:57:47   in a very simple way and they stand out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3467">TS</a>]

00:57:49   because the narrator the character of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3469">TS</a>]

00:57:50   the writer whoever is this the voice in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3470">TS</a>]

00:57:52   the book doesn't do that normally and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3472">TS</a>]

00:57:54   jumps out at you when he has a great [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3474">TS</a>]

00:57:57   line about that early on in the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3477">TS</a>]

00:57:58   doesn't it doesn't take say something [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3478">TS</a>]

00:57:59   about a base you know he's talking about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3479">TS</a>]

00:58:01   his students very early on is this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3481">TS</a>]

00:58:03   something about the basic job of his of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3483">TS</a>]

00:58:04   a storyteller is this happened and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3484">TS</a>]

00:58:07   this happened and it's the story that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3487">TS</a>]

00:58:09   matters it's not the right and that's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3489">TS</a>]

00:58:11   that is the sum up that is the sum up of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3491">TS</a>]

00:58:14   Stephen King right and don't take your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3494">TS</a>]

00:58:16   time to go let me tell you why this was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3496">TS</a>]

00:58:17   important isn't it dramatic and he felt [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3497">TS</a>]

00:58:19   this is this you know it's no just tell [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3499">TS</a>]

00:58:21   the story but there is a moment of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3501">TS</a>]

00:58:23   reflection a moment or two reflection [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3503">TS</a>]

00:58:24   and you can land hearts don't really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3504">TS</a>]

00:58:26   very carefully they could you can land [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3506">TS</a>]

00:58:27   that if you've built the structure such [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3507">TS</a>]

00:58:30   that that that earns its little slot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3510">TS</a>]

00:58:32   there and that you know need the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3512">TS</a>]

00:58:33   characters and you need a good story and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3513">TS</a>]

00:58:35   you have a microcosm of it in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3515">TS</a>]

00:58:38   what's the name of the the janitor in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3518">TS</a>]

00:58:40   the beginning of this book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3520">TS</a>]

00:58:41   Harry yeah yeah but you have a microwave [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3521">TS</a>]

00:58:43   in this in Harry's SI where you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3523">TS</a>]

00:58:47   he says that he says it from the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3527">TS</a>]

00:58:48   beginning and you you learn a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3528">TS</a>]

00:58:51   about the essay before you actually get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3531">TS</a>]

00:58:52   to read some of it and initially you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3532">TS</a>]

00:58:55   like okay yeah i can more or less [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3535">TS</a>]

00:58:57   believe that this was a heartbreaking SI [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3537">TS</a>]

00:58:59   and then he actually lets you read an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3539">TS</a>]

00:59:02   excerpt and yes it's pretty is poorly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3542">TS</a>]

00:59:05   written as painted and it's also [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3545">TS</a>]

00:59:07   heartbreaking it's it's it it hooks you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3547">TS</a>]

00:59:11   like they're they're just hooks that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3551">TS</a>]

00:59:12   keep you moving through the way it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3552">TS</a>]

00:59:14   written in a way that much more slickly [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3554">TS</a>]

00:59:16   produced as they wouldn't do it because [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3556">TS</a>]

00:59:18   i don't know about you guys but after i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3558">TS</a>]

00:59:20   finished reading that passage i like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3560">TS</a>]

00:59:21   actually had to put down the kindle for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3561">TS</a>]

00:59:22   a minute or two and you know go snuggle [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3562">TS</a>]

00:59:25   my daughter then come back to the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3565">TS</a>]

00:59:27   it's chilling and actually that show [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3567">TS</a>]

00:59:28   that Stephen King you know hehe has i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3568">TS</a>]

00:59:32   know are you know he is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3572">TS</a>]

00:59:35   well yes he's a he's crazy and he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3575">TS</a>]

00:59:37   gonna kill us all [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3577">TS</a>]

00:59:38   no he that's right in his wheelhouse [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3578">TS</a>]

00:59:41   though regulator holy his thing he is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3581">TS</a>]

00:59:45   really good kid he knows all the tricks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3585">TS</a>]

00:59:47   he knows how to pull them out and the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3587">TS</a>]

00:59:50   fact is the end of this book i mean i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3590">TS</a>]

00:59:52   was i mean at the climax where there's a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3592">TS</a>]

00:59:57   confrontation between shake and Lee [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3597">TS</a>]

00:59:59   Harvey Oswald in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3599">TS</a>]

00:59:59   Harvey Oswald in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3599">TS</a>]

01:00:00   book depository and I and a shot goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3600">TS</a>]

01:00:04   awry and sadie is mortally wounded and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3604">TS</a>]

01:00:07   all that that was exciting but I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3607">TS</a>]

01:00:10   find it particularly affecting it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3610">TS</a>]

01:00:12   really like Jake is going through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3612">TS</a>]

01:00:14   motions of what he has to do and of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3614">TS</a>]

01:00:15   course the girlfriend it's sort of like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3615">TS</a>]

01:00:17   an episode of a TV series of course the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3617">TS</a>]

01:00:18   characters girlfriend is going to be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3618">TS</a>]

01:00:19   horrible accidentally shot and died [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3619">TS</a>]

01:00:21   because but the that's how to put a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3621">TS</a>]

01:00:23   pneumonic but the last one is what get [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3623">TS</a>]

01:00:26   last seen pays off everything and is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3626">TS</a>]

01:00:30   amazingly affecting like that room got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3630">TS</a>]

01:00:35   really a bad man came in and kick sand [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3635">TS</a>]

01:00:37   in my eyes and made me cry a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3637">TS</a>]

01:00:39   at the end of that I mean it is so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3639">TS</a>]

01:00:41   affecting at the end of this book is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3641">TS</a>]

01:00:42   just he has figured out there are some [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3642">TS</a>]

01:00:44   writers and we talking you know like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3644">TS</a>]

01:00:46   your contrasting with Stevenson there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3646">TS</a>]

01:00:47   are some writers who take all that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3647">TS</a>]

01:00:48   little intellectual fancy part of your [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3648">TS</a>]

01:00:51   brain right the oh is that so clever I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3651">TS</a>]

01:00:53   appreciate that and then there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3653">TS</a>]

01:00:55   writers like Stephen King you grab that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3655">TS</a>]

01:00:57   you know the lizard brain the end part [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3657">TS</a>]

01:00:59   of you and just and just shake it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3659">TS</a>]

01:01:02   know and and he's figured out how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3662">TS</a>]

01:01:04   perfectly like like you guys said like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3664">TS</a>]

01:01:06   his craft is perfectly honed to tap into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3666">TS</a>]

01:01:09   that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3669">TS</a>]

01:01:10   well there's the beauty of I mean the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3670">TS</a>]

01:01:12   fact that in in this final scene [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3672">TS</a>]

01:01:15   the fact is the jake and Sadie have a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3675">TS</a>]

01:01:18   connection and and there are alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3678">TS</a>]

01:01:21   you know alternate versions of them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3681">TS</a>]

01:01:23   in this case it's a safety Sadie who is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3683">TS</a>]

01:01:24   now an old lady and has never met him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3684">TS</a>]

01:01:26   before and lived that life without him [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3686">TS</a>]

01:01:29   and yet they still have a connection and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3689">TS</a>]

01:01:31   he goes back there to Jodi in the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3691">TS</a>]

01:01:34   present and meets her dances and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3694">TS</a>]

01:01:37   dances with her and it's like so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3697">TS</a>]

01:01:40   somewhere in time you can practically [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3700">TS</a>]

01:01:41   see Christopher even James seymour [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3701">TS</a>]

01:01:43   making misty eyes at each other as they [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3703">TS</a>]

01:01:45   go through this but it's really touching [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3705">TS</a>]

01:01:47   I think that and doesn't he doesn't make [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3707">TS</a>]

01:01:50   a he makes a Jack Finney reference in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3710">TS</a>]

01:01:53   the ya-ya not have to work yeah yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3713">TS</a>]

01:01:55   yeah but it's just it'sit's i looked up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3715">TS</a>]

01:01:59   because i have that book on my shelf and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3719">TS</a>]

01:02:01   now it's looking up as I've Illustrated [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3721">TS</a>]

01:02:02   looking at but the Jack Benny time it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3722">TS</a>]

01:02:04   again myself [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3724">TS</a>]

01:02:05   yeah that's good yeah now but such a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3725">TS</a>]

01:02:09   great again there's the payoff right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3729">TS</a>]

01:02:10   after all this sort of failure of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3730">TS</a>]

01:02:12   changing time he the I felt like that it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3732">TS</a>]

01:02:18   could have ended and it would have not [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3738">TS</a>]

01:02:20   been particularly fulfilling and then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3740">TS</a>]

01:02:22   and then when he goes after having sort [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3742">TS</a>]

01:02:25   of like return to the president being [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3745">TS</a>]

01:02:26   kind of disconnected from everything and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3746">TS</a>]

01:02:29   he goes to Texas and it was kind of you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3749">TS</a>]

01:02:33   know I was almost giving us like he's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3753">TS</a>]

01:02:35   gonna go yeah go see what's there and it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3755">TS</a>]

01:02:38   was yeah so I i was i was really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3758">TS</a>]

01:02:41   impressed i mean to wrap to wrap this up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3761">TS</a>]

01:02:43   i don't know what I really expected from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3763">TS</a>]

01:02:45   this I the most recent stephen king book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3765">TS</a>]

01:02:47   I've read is i don't know i mean it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3767">TS</a>]

01:02:51   a long time ago I mean I i think i might [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3771">TS</a>]

01:02:54   have been one of the dark tower like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3774">TS</a>]

01:02:57   this third Dark Tower book maybe but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3777">TS</a>]

01:02:59   it's been a long time since i've read a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3779">TS</a>]

01:03:01   stephen king book and I was you know I i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3781">TS</a>]

01:03:05   was i really liked it is one of my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3785">TS</a>]

01:03:07   favorite books of 2011 [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3787">TS</a>]

01:03:09   I thought that he hit you know I i got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3789">TS</a>]

01:03:12   the time-travel mechanics mechanics were [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3792">TS</a>]

01:03:13   interesting but in the end i thought [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3793">TS</a>]

01:03:15   this story of the the you know the love [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3795">TS</a>]

01:03:19   story that's happening with the ticking [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3799">TS</a>]

01:03:22   of the clock of the impending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3802">TS</a>]

01:03:24   assassination and then the resolution at [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3804">TS</a>]

01:03:27   the end I you know I just I really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3807">TS</a>]

01:03:29   enjoyed it way more than I thought that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3809">TS</a>]

01:03:32   I would I I kind of wished that I didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3812">TS</a>]

01:03:35   you know I wanted to talk about it and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3815">TS</a>]

01:03:36   that's one of the reasons i finished it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3816">TS</a>]

01:03:39   so rapidly but at the same time I was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3819">TS</a>]

01:03:41   torn because I didn't want to because it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3821">TS</a>]

01:03:44   because it was so engrossing and so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3824">TS</a>]

01:03:45   wrapping up you kind of want to savor it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3825">TS</a>]

01:03:48   and so I was sad to read 500 patients in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3828">TS</a>]

01:03:51   traffic for hours or so but yeah I mean [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3831">TS</a>]

01:03:53   you know it's still I agree it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3833">TS</a>]

01:03:55   incredibly incredibly effective book in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3835">TS</a>]

01:03:58   a really well told story [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3838">TS</a>]

01:03:59   well I think this is definitely the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3839">TS</a>]

01:04:01   he written before this was under the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3841">TS</a>]

01:04:03   dome and I think this is definitely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3843">TS</a>]

01:04:04   leagues above under the dome this is [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3844">TS</a>]

01:04:07   this is I think a whole new level of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3847">TS</a>]

01:04:09   storytelling compared to that one john [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3849">TS</a>]

01:04:11   what about this one what's your verdict [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3851">TS</a>]

01:04:12   on 11 22 63 you probably shouldn't let [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3852">TS</a>]

01:04:15   me go last but you can always read this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3855">TS</a>]

01:04:17   in two different sequences you would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3857">TS</a>]

01:04:18   like this was not my favorite recent [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3858">TS</a>]

01:04:22   stephen king book I at this point and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3862">TS</a>]

01:04:25   really [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3865">TS</a>]

01:04:26   feel like I've read so many stephen king [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3866">TS</a>]

01:04:28   books that he has to do a lot to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3868">TS</a>]

01:04:30   surprise me and when i read this book I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3870">TS</a>]

01:04:32   think it's like all this is like fifty [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3872">TS</a>]

01:04:33   percent this book 25-percent that book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3873">TS</a>]

01:04:35   really you know that he has trouble with [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3875">TS</a>]

01:04:38   endings I have trouble stephen king's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3878">TS</a>]

01:04:39   endings and he has trouble with them and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3879">TS</a>]

01:04:41   you know this is the thing we do we read [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3881">TS</a>]

01:04:43   the book together and we both know how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3883">TS</a>]

01:04:45   it's gonna end doesn't have no he thinks [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3885">TS</a>]

01:04:47   they're fine [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3887">TS</a>]

01:04:48   yeah I don't know it seems like you're [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3888">TS</a>]

01:04:50   Stephenson has prepared and there are [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3890">TS</a>]

01:04:51   some things that he does in the endings [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3891">TS</a>]

01:04:53   that I don't like let's put it that way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3893">TS</a>]

01:04:55   and he does them again here and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3895">TS</a>]

01:04:57   continued not like them at it it's so [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3897">TS</a>]

01:04:59   which which is what what what in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3899">TS</a>]

01:05:01   specific because i love the coda in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3901">TS</a>]

01:05:03   texas i don't really love the the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3903">TS</a>]

01:05:06   couple of chapters before that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3906">TS</a>]

01:05:08   well it's see the thing is with me and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3908">TS</a>]

01:05:10   Steve we both know we have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3910">TS</a>]

01:05:13   understanding [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3913">TS</a>]

01:05:14   I know that he's gonna do the things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3914">TS</a>]

01:05:16   that annoy me about this you know this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3916">TS</a>]

01:05:17   yeah ya are on first name basis I I know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3917">TS</a>]

01:05:20   that he's gonna do things in it but I I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3920">TS</a>]

01:05:21   accept that he's going to do those [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3921">TS</a>]

01:05:23   things like for example under the dome [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3923">TS</a>]

01:05:24   under the dome was not a goes as good a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3924">TS</a>]

01:05:26   book of this but it's more i have an [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3926">TS</a>]

01:05:31   easier time with that visits lock and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3931">TS</a>]

01:05:33   was perfectly fine to go through into [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3933">TS</a>]

01:05:34   the dome even though I knew every single [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3934">TS</a>]

01:05:36   thing that was going to happen and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3936">TS</a>]

01:05:37   practically how it was gonna play out [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3937">TS</a>]

01:05:39   and that I wasn't going to be satisfied [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3939">TS</a>]

01:05:40   with the explanation of the end and I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3940">TS</a>]

01:05:42   wasn't it was like you know I'm right [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3942">TS</a>]

01:05:43   with you on this one it's kind of almost [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3943">TS</a>]

01:05:45   worse when he's got like a heart of a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3945">TS</a>]

01:05:47   good book there and really promising [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3947">TS</a>]

01:05:48   start but then he just goes to the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3948">TS</a>]

01:05:50   ending is so might my complaint about it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3950">TS</a>]

01:05:51   mainly is that when when he goes back to [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3951">TS</a>]

01:05:54   see it sees how things have gone wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3954">TS</a>]

01:05:56   and you already covered a lot of things [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3956">TS</a>]

01:05:57   with the earthquakes and stuff was okay [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3957">TS</a>]

01:05:58   when he goes out and see how things have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3958">TS</a>]

01:06:00   gone wrong [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:00   it's like Steve you gotta decide are you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3960">TS</a>]

01:06:03   gonna is this are the details of this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3963">TS</a>]

01:06:05   important I is going to be a book about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3965">TS</a>]

01:06:08   the alternate history or the details of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3968">TS</a>]

01:06:11   time-travel are those mechanics or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3971">TS</a>]

01:06:12   whatever or just going to be that other [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3972">TS</a>]

01:06:14   book that you were riding and he's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3974">TS</a>]

01:06:15   well it's mostly about the book when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3975">TS</a>]

01:06:16   writing but let me do this thing here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3976">TS</a>]

01:06:18   with the Mad Max guys maybe a little [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3978">TS</a>]

01:06:20   stretch for the young hooligans yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3980">TS</a>]

01:06:22   indian province and and and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3982">TS</a>]

01:06:25   sometimes like I would have been happy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3985">TS</a>]

01:06:26   if you want to ride that fucker would [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3986">TS</a>]

01:06:27   have been with you but you were writing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3987">TS</a>]

01:06:29   this other book but you like but I can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3989">TS</a>]

01:06:30   stick this thing in here and then the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3990">TS</a>]

01:06:32   ending with the thing that that kind of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3992">TS</a>]

01:06:34   model and ending that the Jason was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3994">TS</a>]

01:06:36   buying maybe I've seen too many times [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3996">TS</a>]

01:06:37   from him but what [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3997">TS</a>]

01:06:39   alright I i was out if I and I always go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/3999">TS</a>]

01:06:42   through this thing I'm like when I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4002">TS</a>]

01:06:43   reading Stephen King book like Steve I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4003">TS</a>]

01:06:44   know you're going to end this but here's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4004">TS</a>]

01:06:46   how i would end and i would like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4006">TS</a>]

01:06:47   better is like not doing that way I'm [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4007">TS</a>]

01:06:49   like all right you know do it your way [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4009">TS</a>]

01:06:50   and i'm with you and the way i would end [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4010">TS</a>]

01:06:52   it is the two ways i would have been in [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4012">TS</a>]

01:06:55   this one way is to have and this could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4015">TS</a>]

01:06:58   have again before even reading the book [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4018">TS</a>]

01:07:00   you just know the plot of the book and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4020">TS</a>]

01:07:01   always going about pirate talk about the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4021">TS</a>]

01:07:02   groundhog day thing one way to do it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4022">TS</a>]

01:07:04   would be the injector is our as you can [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4024">TS</a>]

01:07:07   to make sure our lee harvey oswald was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4027">TS</a>]

01:07:09   the lone gunman turns out he's not the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4029">TS</a>]

01:07:11   lone gunman but rather than you know I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4031">TS</a>]

01:07:13   stop Lee Harvey Oswald but then he still [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4033">TS</a>]

01:07:15   gets shot by the other gunmen you stop [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4035">TS</a>]

01:07:17   him you think he's the only one but then [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4037">TS</a>]

01:07:18   you see this shadowy guy in the grassy [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4038">TS</a>]

01:07:20   knoll go off to the side and it's like [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4040">TS</a>]

01:07:21   it's at the shadow of doubt whether you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4041">TS</a>]

01:07:23   really solved it and stuff like that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4043">TS</a>]

01:07:24   that wasn't what they were doing fine if [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4044">TS</a>]

01:07:27   you're going to do this when he goes [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4047">TS</a>]

01:07:28   back and he finds everything you know [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4048">TS</a>]

01:07:29   all messed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4049">TS</a>]

01:07:31   I don't need to know how it's messed up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4051">TS</a>]

01:07:32   and I can you tell me specifically how [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4052">TS</a>]

01:07:34   it's messed up is worse I i would be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4054">TS</a>]

01:07:36   happy if you came back through the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4056">TS</a>]

01:07:37   portal and it was just great ash [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4057">TS</a>]

01:07:38   everywhere and snowy like a scene from [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4058">TS</a>]

01:07:40   the road or something and then you just [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4060">TS</a>]

01:07:42   walk right back through you know what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4062">TS</a>]

01:07:43   mean or something like that and it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4063">TS</a>]

01:07:45   if he feels compelled to put in that one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4065">TS</a>]

01:07:47   or two or three chapters there any feels [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4067">TS</a>]

01:07:49   compelled to how the guy go down and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4069">TS</a>]

01:07:50   meet her when she's old I don't need any [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4070">TS</a>]

01:07:52   of that I don't need to meeting when [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4072">TS</a>]

01:07:53   he's like as far as I'm concerned that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4073">TS</a>]

01:07:55   point he's done all the work he's going [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4075">TS</a>]

01:07:57   to doing that book and he was successful [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4077">TS</a>]

01:07:58   any kind of screws it up man but but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4078">TS</a>]

01:08:00   it's you know I'm with him I'm we have [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4080">TS</a>]

01:08:03   an understanding and i go i don't i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4083">TS</a>]

01:08:05   don't agree about the about the very [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4085">TS</a>]

01:08:06   last code because i like the the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4086">TS</a>]

01:08:09   reinforcement not only yes it's it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4089">TS</a>]

01:08:11   sweet and sappy and and it made me cry [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4091">TS</a>]

01:08:13   but I like effect that it reinforces [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4093">TS</a>]

01:08:16   that that town is real and that it you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4096">TS</a>]

01:08:20   know it and he sees it in the present i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4100">TS</a>]

01:08:22   think that i think there's some closure [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4102">TS</a>]

01:08:24   there that i like that that he is you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4104">TS</a>]

01:08:26   know he has been profoundly changed by [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4106">TS</a>]

01:08:29   his experience in a way and that it was [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4109">TS</a>]

01:08:31   real and it and and those people did [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4111">TS</a>]

01:08:34   live there [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4114">TS</a>]

01:08:35   I like that part of it i completely [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4115">TS</a>]

01:08:38   agree with you about the province of [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4118">TS</a>]

01:08:41   main section being yeah [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4121">TS</a>]

01:08:43   are you really because it even so it's [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4123">TS</a>]

01:08:45   like this little old man is a wheelchair [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4125">TS</a>]

01:08:48   says sit down Sonny and let me tell you [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4128">TS</a>]

01:08:51   recap of the last 30 years it won't be [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4131">TS</a>]

01:08:53   too long but it will be a little bit [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4133">TS</a>]

01:08:54   long [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4134">TS</a>]

01:08:55   I don't need to know all the alternate [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4135">TS</a>]

01:08:56   history I i rather have intended like a [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4136">TS</a>]

01:08:59   short story short stories don't do that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4139">TS</a>]

01:09:00   because you don't have room short [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4140">TS</a>]

01:09:01   stories always end in that other way and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4141">TS</a>]

01:09:03   so so do it that way there you know and [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4143">TS</a>]

01:09:05   you can still have the same the same [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4145">TS</a>]

01:09:07   code of the same emotional code about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4147">TS</a>]

01:09:09   him realizing that the realizations [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4149">TS</a>]

01:09:11   about life that damn nails so well about [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4151">TS</a>]

01:09:13   you know you can't do it you can't go [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4153">TS</a>]

01:09:14   back and you're you know lived through [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4154">TS</a>]

01:09:16   that again you're a changed person [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4156">TS</a>]

01:09:17   you can have all those without having [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4157">TS</a>]

01:09:19   him go dance with her and she's 80 or [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4159">TS</a>]

01:09:21   whatever i guess now I mean no I don't I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4161">TS</a>]

01:09:24   don't think I don't begrudge him doing [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4164">TS</a>]

01:09:26   this and I don't you know sometimes it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4166">TS</a>]

01:09:28   works sometimes i will say that the one [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4168">TS</a>]

01:09:29   stephen king book was ending i actually [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4169">TS</a>]

01:09:32   like pretty much it on unqualified no [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4172">TS</a>]

01:09:35   qualifiers nothing you know I he and i [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4175">TS</a>]

01:09:38   were an exact agreement was the ending [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4178">TS</a>]

01:09:40   of the extended version of the standard [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4180">TS</a>]

01:09:41   I think that's the only book that he [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4181">TS</a>]

01:09:43   ended under percent to my satisfaction [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4183">TS</a>]

01:09:44   that is because they're sending it to my [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4184">TS</a>]

01:09:51   best but probably one of my favorite [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4191">TS</a>]

01:09:53   endings of John books of all time is it [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4193">TS</a>]

01:09:56   is good anybody did like this anything I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4196">TS</a>]

01:09:58   did like that he that he wrapped it up [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4198">TS</a>]

01:09:59   and and gave gave me is the reader the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4199">TS</a>]

01:10:02   kind of appropriate closure for what I [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4202">TS</a>]

01:10:04   just seen I think that's part of it too [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4204">TS</a>]

01:10:05   is just that that I i had invested a lot [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4205">TS</a>]

01:10:08   of time and thought into this [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4208">TS</a>]

01:10:10   relationship and so to sort of get that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4210">TS</a>]

01:10:12   last bit that that it did you know that [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4212">TS</a>]

01:10:14   connection was there and it didn't [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4214">TS</a>]

01:10:15   matter and yeah that was nice and it but [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4215">TS</a>]

01:10:18   it there was some stuff before it got [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4218">TS</a>]

01:10:20   there that was not so well so we could [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4220">TS</a>]

01:10:23   we could go on a hundred perhaps we will [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4223">TS</a>]

01:10:25   but i'm going to close up the [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4225">TS</a>]

01:10:28   incomparable book club [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4228">TS</a>]

01:10:30   we should probably talk about Stephen [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4230">TS</a>]

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01:11:42   thank my guests [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4302">TS</a>]

01:11:43   Lisa Schmeisser thank you very much for [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4303">TS</a>]

01:11:46   being here [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4306">TS</a>]

01:11:47   it was a pleasure serenity called well [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4307">TS</a>]

01:11:49   thank you thank you John siracusa thank [<a href="https://overcast.fm/+kMahezsQ/4309">TS</a>]

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