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the incomparable podcast number 76
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January 2012
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we're back on the including a high-caste
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we are live at macworld expo on the
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incomparable podcast live and my guess
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as always it seems eternally are Glenn
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fleischmann hello Glenn hello
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I later another system this episode yes
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and almost every episode serenity
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Caldwell hello hello hello jason this is
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only my third thing on the stage today
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gee you're a slacker I know I just don't
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do enough and dan moore and who is on
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every podcast ever made
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I'm the man on every podcast so
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contractually I must be on this one
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yes thank you for making it and
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fulfilling your contract had to also I i
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think i was threatened to be fired if I
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was not so often when we're doing the
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incomparable we're talking about movie
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we did a bunch of episodes about we did
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a couple episodes about Star Wars The
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Empire Strikes Back we talk about rid of
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the lost ark we talk about superhero
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movies talk about books lots of
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different books you know thousand page
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fantasy and sci-fi novels we've talked
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about TV shows
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Doctor Who Sherlock star trac lots of
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stuff like that uh today we're going to
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go on a topic and because we're a
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technology event where the topic is
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going to be technology we're going to
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talk about stuff we love and I hope so
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please oh please stuff we hate in terms
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of how technology is portrayed in books
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movies and films because we know how
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technology really works its magic it's
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magic and then we watch it on the screen
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and it it doesn't work like that so i
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wanted to start by asking each of you if
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you have a particular example of
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terrible technology from a book movie TV
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show or any other form of entertainment
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that you've seen in your lives am as a
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media consumer I'm getting ready yeah
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are you prepared
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I mean more or less most less alright so
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as I got a spot as jeff goldblum up
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using a powerbook to upload a computer
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virus to an alien flying saucer and
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independence day which couldn't happen
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for about an infinite number of reasons
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yes it's like unless they happen to be
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from a parallel world where mac OS is
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the dominant
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operating system for flying saucer
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technology which seems unlikely i think
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it's possible but there were no max
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viruses really weren't there may be on
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the alien parallel planet their work
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anyway what do you think dan I I had
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kind of a more general one because it
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comes up in a lot of different books and
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receive it's a pea yeah it's a it's a
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complaint about about the way
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technologies Britain how many times have
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you seen somebody on a TV show or movie
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hack a password one character at a time
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and I am even in things that I like and
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it's sad when you're watching something
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that you really like and then they start
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doing that and you're like cheese
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because it's not how that's not how
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passwords work passwords are encrypted
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as a whole there's no way to guess one
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character of it and then confirm that
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character is correct and then move on to
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the next year i'm here to tell you it's
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actually possible
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actually I can have examples i'm just
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going to refute you because that's my
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nature but it's true there are ways if
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you know a little bit of the password
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you can get a little more a little more
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so I'm sorry didn't know one is that's
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bad that's beyond the scope of this mod
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cast that security features they know
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you write a they didn't that doesn't
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make any sense it's it's you know the
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password is encrypted as a whole you
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know if you don't you know a little bit
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of you can guess what's not in it you
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can derive it from Homeland Security
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wouldn't go left to right one digit at a
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time with the first two digits are one
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and eight only works if it's in
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typewriter font though that's typical
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well anything is anything with passwords
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right because I mean I do like
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occasionally i think my favorites are
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the ones where they're like all we need
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a password to break in this computer and
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then there's a like a post-it note like
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actually like that because that's reason
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that like I'm going out there to
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actually keep their passwords on a
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post-it note somewhere near their
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computer because i'm guessing a few a
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few anybody know what to make doing tell
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me I understand you can depend on your
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house and a liquid it's like you know
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will we can't figure the pastor we tried
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everything
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have you tried his wife's maiden name
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with no we never thought of that quick
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typing even when she's not going to
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behold the static and that somebody did
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hackers stole a password database and
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they posted it and all the security
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researchers did an analysis of that it
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to turn out unfortunately for all those
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spy movies that it isn't somebody
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is something clever like a date of a
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birthday or the name of your spouse it
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tends to be password one or password I
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mean I anyone friend of mine worked at a
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UH his parents had a small company and
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he did their computer maintenance insert
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a list of everybody's password like
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seventy percent of them were just
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password that they never changed it so i
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guess there is some accuracy to that but
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that's just said I don't know when I
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think of the one digit a time thing it
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just reminds me of a high-tech version
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of tumble walks where it's like all
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right I'm listening in and I'm oh I'm
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finding the first digit now let's try
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and see if we can find the second and
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then we find the third I just assumed
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that that's where it is looking anybody
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ever play that game I mastermind we have
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to get that what the other person
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actually right over and around a lot
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exactly yeah no you're right it is it
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somebody wrote a screenplay without with
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a combination lock in a safecracker and
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then somebody said nobody does that
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anymore make it a computer so red you
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have a great of a favorite use of
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technology i have a a couple overall
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grapes media OS as a friend of mine so
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lovingly calls it is my biggest gripe
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where they just you know it's it's some
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people hacking into a system or going
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into a high-tech security interface and
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they pull this up and it's no computer
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system ever known to man
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it's like oh that's all of them yes it's
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all of the mashed together it's not it's
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not linux it's not Mac it's not windows
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it's always man without linux all went
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down the exes in the corners of the
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boxes and it's just been going to school
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yeah exactly it's an OS that doesn't
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quite exist in any universe and yet it
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is the prevailing OS everywhere I know
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the myth the big feature of the two
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computers used on TV as they still
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somewhere in those computers theres a
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floppy disk going tick-tick-tick
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tick-tick-tick as everything happens
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where what is that
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have you ever seen the 1i think there's
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there's a couple where they use that
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sort of generic media OS software and
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it's actually just a it's a it's a
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QuickTime movie like what they had to do
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is actually they've recorded like a
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screencast of their interface and so
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they're doing things and it doesn't line
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up with what's happening on the screen
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and then once I think I saw one show
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once where they like you can see the
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window like roam around the window your
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little bit
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that's android was a cheap shot but all
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that's good you're playing yourself out
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here when I was a kid I got a computer
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magazine that had those computer
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programs you could type in and and use
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yourself and one of them was from the TV
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show with kids which was on I am dating
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myself I realized I which was it was
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like the war games or games was a hit
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movie and people said let's do that as a
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TV show and it was it didn't last very
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long will get the guy from Barney Miller
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to be in it but they had this program
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and basically for every key you randomly
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matched on the computer it would put up
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a letter that actually would spell
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something so that the actors didn't have
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to have to type things they could just
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hit the keys like doodoo and it would
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actually type what they're supposed to
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type on the screen because actors cannot
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be trained to type the words themselves
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strangely dogs dogs can dogs are really
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intentionally monkeys and a damned by
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mentioning the quicktime movie you left
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out the most famous use of a QuickTime
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movie in film history which is the
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conversation that way night Newman from
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Seinfeld has in Jurassic Park before
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everybody gets eaten by dinosaurs and I
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don't know people notice this but if you
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look this video conference that's
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happening is has a progress bar that's
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slowly going from one end to the other
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because it's not a video conference it's
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a QuickTime movie in the quicktime
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player and when and ended the call is
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over when the progress for either it's
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really good timing it's like sorry my
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class to be over my progress bars reach
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the end by traffic park is particularly
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egregious right because it's got that
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famous scene where the little kids you
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know the young woman looks at the
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computers i know this this is this is
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unix those visualizers SGI UNIX file
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system fly through visualizer they're
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presenting as if it were unix well I
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know whatever i'm programming and using
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unix you know using the terminal i like
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to put on 3d glasses to get the full
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experience the comparator terminal is
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really best appreciated three men
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wearing mine all the time when Patrick
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taught us that really you know I I was
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just thinking that that is one thing
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that really irks me and hurt me the
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first time that I saw the matrix is when
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they're looking at the code is like oh I
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can read that that means you're running
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down the street
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alright if we're in high
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techno post-apocalyptic society really
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no one decided that it would be good to
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go back to a graphical user interface
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you can't just program that into a look
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hey jpg the machines don't want us to
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see things graphically what to flip side
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the matrix the second Matrix movie which
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is mostly abysmal and always actually
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has a scene very early on where the
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character Trinity uses like goes and
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breaks into a computer room and starts
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ssa changing into another server and is
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actually it is actually totally correct
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which is I think they got yelled at
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enough that first movie they're like
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always better remember appease the Nerds
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a cleansing is actually energies you
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you're cranky guy I imagine you've got a
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few grievances him off the cranky i know
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but I'll give a category in some
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examples which is it's the science
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fiction novel particularly that provides
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science-fiction novels written and she
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you don't care about so they do
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interstellar travel and there's alien
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species but it's all about the heart and
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a fatal flies you you you have a writer
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science fiction some not-so-good science
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fiction but he is big proponent of space
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elevators and when he was about space
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elevators that was right you could build
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human colony but he started out from
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it's like all the way up and you're like
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rates for me and books I mean that the
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everything yourself and when they
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technological doodads and doohickeys and
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number of not non-book reasons as a
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various reasons your honor we offer from
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water on her hesitation but the thing I
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love about ender's game is when they
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describe Battle School and they
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other youngsters and they're playing
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the best the best way to put it with
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obstacles and the awesome school ever
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applied there was not accepted
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know in this battle arena the the idea
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details yes 0g require
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that would just ruin it for this game
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also works great that they all have
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iPads if you remember before the ipad
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was invented they'll have these little
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tablets and they're playing like
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their iPad that there's like the giant
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you're amazing twisty passages all alike
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invented games with pictures now
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one actually which is on many many times
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best sci-fi novels of last year which is
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it but I think one of the one of the
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criticisms we have of it is that is that
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video game world that's not unlike i'm
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super advanced world of warcraft kind of
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thing where everybody lives in or or
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snow crash kind of metaphors right
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virtual reality world and and yet
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um he seems to get the details of
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massively multiplayer online games it's
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a year to go up a level with you tell
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people will totally keep playing if they
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never level WC that I was having a drink
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with the phone works at second life who
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actually like the novel yesterday
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because even though it's full he knows
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exactly how second life works he works
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there is a massively you know they have
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all these billions of servers and
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whatever he's like I didn't bother me
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really that's the part that I worse
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because it was the end of the plot had
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issues and characterization whatever but
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it was the technical implausibility that
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wasn't a huge fan of it but i actually
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had no problem with that it was just it
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post-apocalyptic society here are the
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terrible things that happened but hey
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there are millions of data farms in the
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center and this is how this you know i'm
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enough information that you can paint a
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picture in your head I'm like you know
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it's a fantasy book I'm not pretending
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gonna believe that there's a magical
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future in which everybody has 0
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see because i don't care because it's
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if you read his books because it all
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works it makes sense but that was a
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great example of something that was not
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only it all worked but it was it was
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know that the game terrain in rear D by
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world uh a realistic video game
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that 500 pages in he gets bored with
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waiting he had started different novel
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the middle but it's also good novel the
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second yeah no I mean but Randy and
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different focuses whereas terrain and
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Randy is very much
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it's about the game it's not necessarily
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about playing the game but they're
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spending time talking about the
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background of the game and the game is
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the issue here whereas ready player one
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it's all about what they're doing in the
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game and all about the puzzles in the
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game so the game came out movies from
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learn from us and they yes they do they
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make me happy i don't know about you
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people but you're weird island and now
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it's time for special guest john
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mines real genius is an excellent movie
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to just like it anywhere on the DVD case
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John circus attempted yeah uh I wanted
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nerdy things because this is what this
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massive best-selling novel of the last
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few years which is the girl with the
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dragon tattoo which I think lots of
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things one there is a super naturally
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brilliant computer hacker Elizabeth
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Salander who can put some software on
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your computer that lets her see your
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computer and its entire hard drive
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contents over the Internet
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anywhere and she has a complete copy of
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everything you've got at all times
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it's like the she should not be a
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computer hacker for hire
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she invented like instantaneous time
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machine she should be a billionaire
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crashplan is demonstrating that software
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later today i think it's it's having the
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proper problem the possibility that was
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particularly got me because there are
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many he asked somebody talk to people
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aspects of it that are just right and
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completely ridiculous easy capable of
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figuring out which was which
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well and again the problem with steve
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larson in that book is that he goes into
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such specific detail and the the one
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that always sticks out in my memory is I
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think it's from the first book where
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she's like yes Elizabeth unpacked her 3g
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round and I number to complain about the
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girl with the dragon tattoo which any
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mac user who is what who has read that
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book has to laugh and laugh at it he
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that guy was such a gigantic nerd it is
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it is so apparent it's hilarious because
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he wanted to detail to the to the amount
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of hard drive space and ram installed in
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all the mac laptops that are used by all
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the characters in that book and he does
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if you haven't read it it's amazing and
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as an editor I sit there and think why
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is this here but i love it that that
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that the author was so obsessed with the
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use macs and that and in fact i think
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where they're like he's cataloging
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all that was like real in the movie like
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they used all the correct features now
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but how many megahertz was the was only
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running and I for Megan's you know its
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masters what was like you look at a
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movie like Blade Runner and I don't
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think played forever irritates us about
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molecular structures areas you know that
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every minute hand students will give ya
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that means never bothers me in the
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structure of great storytelling
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fascinating movie the intensity like
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bothers me is tiny tiny bit because this
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the the the way what bother you a lot
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know I was going to say that the problem
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with blade runner is that replicates are
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totally not like that
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what's like what flying cover and tell
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me about your mother's a glowing of
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thing about him now and now we're going
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to administer the voigt-kampff test the
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gland right now onstage so let's simply
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with you you're reminded me of a scene
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in a movie which is my favorite
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technological craziness ever which is
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the movie I don't have anybody ever saw
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the movie enemy of the state will Smith
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unofficial gene hackman sort of plays a
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continuation of his character from the
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conversation a great friends for couple
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of them from the seventies but there's a
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scene where these NSA agents are
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tracking will smith and they think he's
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a spy or something and so the two of the
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two techniques are talking in the van
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and they're saying oh we got this camera
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view on on him but he's carrying a bag
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we want to know what these what's in the
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bag but we can't tell because he's in
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between us and the bet you know using
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between the camera and the bag
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this is what we can all right we'll
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rotate the rotate the image on along at
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on a 180-degree access to turn around
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and so the other guy goes it can do that
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and the first guy says it can
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hypothesize which from years my friends
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hypothesize it's so you can imagine what
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might be in the band the other side of a
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bag from an image it cannot get but it's
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also the shower part is that MIT later
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some guys did research of technology
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that's very much like this that was a
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good like extrapolate what was on a
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card it blew my mind I was like oh my
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god that's real there is technology that
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can do like they look at the reflections
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elsewhere and they can kind of back
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scatter the light and figure out what
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was what what I think this is like
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looking through the card and figure out
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like the razor equals crazy it is it is
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great so so okay we've spent the last 20
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of that technology stuff i mean being a
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natural expo I would be remiss if I
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didn't mention the
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find Sandra Bullock vehicle the net most
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notable perhaps for Dennis Miller
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playing an intrepid computer hacker who
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who is horribly killed halfway through
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spoiler alert sorry don't get attached
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to Dennis Miller in the net if you
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haven't seen it and we can actually do
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Miller here don't worry but but all the
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crowd seems in the tech trade show in
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the net are shot at macworld expo I just
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there you go it is macworld expo as it
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was seen in the nineties is Philip
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Michaels in that though that's the
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important no no what is it honey ball I
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believe if the processor goes BB below a
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hundred megahertz than the bus exploded
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about bus exploded i was the plot of the
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anyway so positive portrayals you have
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any examples of you know what does it
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right every we cover technology for a
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living and we also read you know and and
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watch movies watch TV
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what are the things that you see that
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you think you know that's pretty good
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they did a pretty dated a fair job with
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that might look go ahead whenever she
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ate you
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I appreciate that and and then will
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appreciate this references where you can
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take mine i will i will attract
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hopefully I won't write my my my one was
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to saying that I appreciate that it
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takes Han Solo a couple minutes to
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calculate a path through hyperspace that
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it's not just button hyperspace like no
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I don't calculate the precise
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coordinates and education and you know
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all that we could you know why did a
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black hole right through hyperspace
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ain't like Dustin crops boy
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oh yeah I was gonna say and this is a
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another particular relation to where we
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are defined san francisco-based tech
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movie sneakers are just my career movies
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of all time with sneakers and a small
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details aren't always there but i love
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the plot which basically involves a
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codebreaker that can break any code
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because there is a certain amount of
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mathematical they have a scene where a
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very very skinny and young Don alok was
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a mathematician explains that this
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theory is based on the fact that all
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encryption is essentially based on hard
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mathematical problems where it's really
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easy to multiply two incredibly large
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numbers together
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but it's really hard to then take that
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really large number and figure out what
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the original two numbers multiplied work
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now basically saying in the movie the
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ideas he comes up with an algorithm that
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makes it really easy to find out and
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then it turns it into a computer chip
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any system which is great i love it
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because it's kind of it's it's not
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exactly like a high-stakes thing but it
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is at the same time because it's just a
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computer chip but it has all these
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implications the implications that are
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interesting and so there are a couple
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great scenes where they use it to like
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the code information there's also my
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favorite scene ever which is involves
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Robert Redford you know trying to break
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into their office and he looks like this
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are the same i remember how to a to
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break a beating electronic keypad lock
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he listens for a minute uh-huh uh-huh
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all right i'll give it a try and it
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kicks the door in here that worked like
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that for me that was one of my favorite
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moments and technology / Robert Redford
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foot kick the door in
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hey sometimes the brute force approach
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works so yes mine so I was a big fan of
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defying gravity a short-lived TV series
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of american canadian co-production that
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because i thought it was beautifully
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shot so expensively I think they
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couldn't continue to make this therapies
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in light of the even though joint
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production but what they did is they
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took a world that was slightly in the
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future not ridiculously far i think it
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was only living less than a hundred
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years the technology was beautifully
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plotted ahead so they're going on a
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grand voyage among all the planets it
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turned out to be a non sinister benign
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plots that was hidden from everyone to
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spend a trillion dollars to do this
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grand mission and learn and so forth and
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it gets a little involved as to why but
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all the technology involved was only a
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mild extrapolation but it was beautiful
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so this ship they made they had
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extensive hydroponics and and so forth
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and they figured out very carefully
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there will be some real problems if they
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didn't get this balance just right one
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episode this pit where they think the
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right at the Forgotten a tipping point
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is a term for it overlooked range
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whatever there's a term for where they
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reached where after that point they do
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not have enough you'll return without
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reaching the next planet where they're
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able to harvest fuel or what have you
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and the have a water filtration problem
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and it's not presented on
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it's a plumbing issue is presented as a
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serious thing it's actually crux of a
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plot element and it's exactly what would
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happen on that kind of mission is what
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we see nuns on some missions in orbit or
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to space shuttles that have occurred and
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what they presented in a matter-of-fact
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way that you been accepted so much you
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willing to take so much you can focus on
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the story and deal with some of the more
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mystical elements that were off to the
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side that's good
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it was cancelled like most are thanks
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backline I fallen short
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I have a liked it was cancelled i have a
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bunch of movies that I think do science
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right i mean the maybe the most obvious
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of them is really science fiction so
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much but we were talking about your
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genius upon and no real Jesus those
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lasers are real man they weren't really
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used in real genius they use the real
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key programmer alright okay i didn't
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like it out what you're gonna tell us a
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little bit about real you you're gonna
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make me without real you know real
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genius does actually not do a bad job of
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showing science in action and that it
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isn't like they just kind of like
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scribble some things up and flip the
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switch and it works there's like they're
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doing laser research and they're
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frustrated there at Pacific tech which
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is just a disguise Caltech and it goes
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through that they go through a lot of
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frustration and there's a a great moment
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of the Eureka moment where val kilmer is
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really upset that his laser is exploded
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because the nefarious races wearing Kent
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has put smudge the lens and it causes a
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conflagration in the laser lab and he
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goes out into his dorm a kitchenette and
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kicks the kicks the refrigerator open
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because he's just kicking everything and
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the liquid nitrogen comes out and he
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realizes that he could use liquid
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nitrogen to freeze the material that is
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using to make the laser in it and it's
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and then he runs to the lab and you seem
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kind of working it out and and it is
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kind of a neat moment to show that
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science takes hard work and it also
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takes sleeps and this is a movie that is
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not afraid
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multiple times to show montages set to
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music it was the eighties where people
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are studying or they're learning how to
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fire lasers or he's training in the
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slaughterhouse right with that
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that's real genius right II that the
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only runs up the stairs you may be
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thinking over there
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and let me also say less science
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accurate use of the haze command 80
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man's memory he's about 80 command 8183
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currently deployed and there is that the
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climactic and really not very good scene
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where there's a fake plane that that's
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was going to it's not entirely a
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computer movie but i wanted to throw out
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some money ball which is a an Oscar
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nominee which i think if you haven't
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seen it even if you're not a baseball
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fan I think you might like it because
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people using numbers and using
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techniques to understand things and in
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meeting resistance from people who
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haven't analyzed things that closely
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they've got an old way of thinking and
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it's very strange because it's a movie
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about ideas and I'm not really surprised
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it has gotten the reception it has and
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that got nominated for best picture
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because it's you know nothing happens in
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it other than people change their minds
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it's you know and their hearts and that
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would know just their minds their hearts
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are not involved at all and there's a
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caption settings 10 minute but and the
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other one would be contact the jury
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foster sci-fi movie which is from Carl
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Sagan's famous area and therefore his
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rigorous and there are lots of really
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nice bits in there about space even yes
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they create a spaceship that opens a
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dimensional portal but there's a lot of
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time spent like in the search for
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extraterrestrial intelligence where
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they're searching for signals and
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they've got a process the signals and
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they've been doing it a long time and
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then the truth of engineering where they
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build a two of everything because why
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build one when you can build two for
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twice the price is the historical how to
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get the sign-off from japan which is
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totally realistic so yeah we'll to these
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things and one gets old boiler one gets
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blown up you are you see that coming
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you forgot i didn't like 10 years ago
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that dogs gonna die no one got the Old
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Yeller dies in Old Yeller I'm sorry you
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forgot you forgot a the movie hackers
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now you because you didn't with a way to
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Jewish you could forget the movie
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hackers we all do with a not-so-good you
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see that it's not it has a that's some
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terrible terrible represent all right so
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since since we're at macworld should we
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talk a little bit about your favorite
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portrayals of the mac or the iphone and
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the ipad and in the in thing is your
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client you want to savage something or
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press apply and I have a very quick one
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which is in the original Charlie's
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Angels movie which way original
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charlie's angels but you've confused me
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how many are there three or four but it
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was the TV show and then they made the
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movies like The Drew Barrymore doing
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anything another TV super boring and
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that's what I'm talking about that
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series and so in that way in that movie
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where she plays a copy editor for that
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magazine in chicago or that newspaper
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Chicago copy editors do not have their
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own offices with around secretaries I'm
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sorry that's I think you're thinking
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organizations are exactly that
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journalists on this rental is alright
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sorry so there's that scene in the movie
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where is I don't know who is it is
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strong down on wires and she flips over
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and she's going to the main frame at the
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Oracle like the larry ellison run evil
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company it's very thinly veiled the
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trailer else and i believe and she gets
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in there and it's buttons and things
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open up and just you and what comes out
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i believe is a to CX motherboard which
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she pulls some chip out of and then
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closes back up that pretty sure I owned
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a computer with that motherboard of it i
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hope so since you recognize it on screen
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and I actually a very recent movie I've
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gotta give props and a little bit of
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finger wagging to which is the latest
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Mission Impossible movie which has a
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vertical yes ghost protocol which has a
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great i use of an ipad as a using an
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ipad app and what mile or is it some
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sort of reflective virtual reality
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screen they put up and they basically
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use the ipad to render out a you use the
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iPad camera they position it and the
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ipad camera sees whatever is behind them
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and tries to render the hallway they put
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up like a speak screen
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I got like a slideshow screen type thing
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like one of these and then they project
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from behind a picture of the hallway as
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it was when they were not there and then
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they slowly like to push up the screen
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and walk behind it and it uses the same
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kind of 3d technology that they're
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trying anything
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ya know it's it's true but at that was
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that was fun there are a couple of other
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I very funny moments they try and break
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into a mainframe it gets really really
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hot and they acknowledge the fact that
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all of these computers yeah probably
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going to burn you alive if you touch
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them because it's just all the steam you
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shut down the fan probably not great
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great idea and that they have of course
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the the moment where it's you know it's
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a Mission Impossible movie but not to
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spoil it I i did like the ipad scene
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they are i want to give a credit to it
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was very interesting is years ago they
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would show like people who want phones
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they want you things they would have
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liked fake you know like we talked about
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the media West thing on the phone what's
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funny is now all the phones are iphones
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on any TV show where they need to use
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something although i really enjoy the
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few episodes i've seen of various things
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where you can tell someone's like
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holding it upside down it was more
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apparent back with the original iphone
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had the black bottom in the silver
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casing but you definitely catch they
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were trying to cover the logo right
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because they often obscure the apple
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logo and so he would hold the phone up
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specific threat as a laugh everytime i
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see that my favorite MAC usage in a TV
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show i think is Veronica Mars the late
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lamented show about a young woman who is
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a private investigator because she's a
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frequently used macs on that show and
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they almost always use actual footage of
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the OS doing things copying files
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whatsoever so there's an episode of
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Friends where Chandler is reading a copy
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of mac or that's right there is one with
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dark world he hits the title is the one
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with one where Chandler is laying on the
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couch reading macworld and it's the it's
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the sea jobs returns to apple issue of
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macworld and I remember it because that
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was about two months before i started
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working in Macworld i worked at the
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competition and I remember being so
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angry that macro was on an episode of
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friends and now I look back and like and
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that's cool backgrounds and friends but
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my favorite mean my favorite MAC in the
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media moment is definitely Scotty from
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Star Trek for inventing uh inventing a
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complicated molecular structure
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transparent using using only the
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original mac keyboard because that is
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how you build complex molecular models
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is by typing well before you try to use
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Siri used VI mouse but but it does say
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something about Syrian about speaking
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two devices that Scotty's plan like they
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do on the enterprise when they talk to
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the computer as he picks up the original
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mouse is a low computer and the computer
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doesn't answer because it's an original
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mac and I looking back that movie was
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not that long after the original Matt
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came out so it's it's early days it's
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amazing they have the ability to build
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transparent aluminum in mac paint was
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gaudy is advanced he's from huge reward
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how primitive i bet i was like he wrote
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the code to do it and that was what he
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was typing and then it just came out
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because he was from the future i think
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it's interesting issue about the
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portrayal of technology and media that
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actual technology can be extremely
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tedious and so you have to spice it up
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right so the NSA is a great thing in
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three days of the Condor terrific
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terrific robbery referee maybe it's
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fantastic so many ways one of the things
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that's most kind of terrifying
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interesting about that movie and I think
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it turned out to be true in interviewing
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period is what is Robert Redford ooh
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he's a CIA a semi covert analysts
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examined you just read stuff all the
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time that's what they do in the office
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and they read and analyze the wrong
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thing and that's what the NSA spends
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most of its time doing the National
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Reconnaissance Office and with the mic
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still on
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wait what's what and most of them aren't
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doing it like it's just an office
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building in the middle of New York City
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that's right well it was a brownstone it
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was hit but is most of the work done in
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that space is to look at massive amounts
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of information not individually pull out
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patterns decipher its extremely it may
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be very interesting in particular
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especially if you're crippled up to
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apologist but it's a cryptogram her but
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it's a crypto biologists that's a whole
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other story
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cryptozoology took this long as Bigfoot
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over the NRA but the but the orange
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things like you know it's just
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technology i went to Facebook's data
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centers is the data center in Prineville
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Oregon a few months ago which was
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exciting and interesting and bizarre
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because its row after over 10 equipment
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there's nothing interesting there I
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could see some kind of saw like
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tomato mystery murder like a horror
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movie set in a datacenter absolutely why
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not but it's nothing you do you open up
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like look at all these amazing glowing
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lights like nothing spinning amazing SS
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commandant always it's all the rack that
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would be such a great climax to a movie
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to have much like a a chase and shootout
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people pulling like blade servers out
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using them to play i could happen
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eventually the Mission Impossible movie
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they're gonna fight in the dataset
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indignity and yet with people around the
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globe the heroes would pull the thing
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out and swing the computer to to hurt
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someone and someone in peoria my
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pictures just disappeared with mono huh
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strong boxes down what's going to ready
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to start looking into getting hit by the
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cloud really hurts
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you're gonna have to get points for that
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lets people I i think i was shot
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sometimes I think the best use of
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technology in in fiction is
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extrapolation of what we've got now and
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what that means for the future and
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that's what I love about science fiction
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that's involved in in in technology i
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just read a couple of books by charles
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stross which are you know I have my
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issues with them but they weren't the
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most exciting books to read but what I
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out 20 years and say you know imagine if
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the police have a enhance reality of you
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there's more surveillance of people and
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he's trying to project out what that
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you say the police is logged and can
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always be retrieved later and you know
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how does that change how people interact
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with the police and i love i love
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looking at think it's obvious we got
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this stuff now where are we going to be
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in 10-15 years we left out one of the
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best ones which is the one ever wants to
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talk about which is minority report
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right because we're all thinking about
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minority report you'll have the future
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you'll be able to gesture around and do
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things in the air and arm
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I mean that technology does now sort of
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existing microsoft kinect do stuff
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that's very much like that it's pretty
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cool but I just made up the Arab make
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sure and make sure what that's like if
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you're just using your computer home and
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I really need to put together my own
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newsletter for my family so may get some
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pictures alright text and email it up
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office dockets it on my back
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killing it tore my rotator cuff ya how
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did you do that i was sending an email
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scrapbooking yeah okay Oh touchscreen
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gesture just your basic interfaces we
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are almost out of time so before I know
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you look surprised did it fly by
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do you have more it's very like an evil
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you have I I before we go i'm just
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wondering if there's anything that we've
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left out that we should talk about about
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where technology built a big doctor who
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plans on this stage and a time machine
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technology has not yet been invented so
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what's on your sort of hilarious that of
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all the things eventually we don't like
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with like everything in doctor who is
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ridiculous i'm going to accept that
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isn't that the trick is that it is once
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you start to purport to be real and you
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start putting the details it goes back
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to authors wanting to show their work
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now i will show it to you which one can
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be really boring and too can be really
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annoying if they get it wrong because
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they need to get it wrong for plot
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purposes and it's much better if they
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just either say something like Doctor
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Who which is completely ridiculous and
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just like there's a guy with a time
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machine it's bigger on the inside like
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all right or it's like suffice to say
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like what you said about ready player
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one suffice it to say there's an online
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world and it's a game and let me tell
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you my story now and I'm not gonna
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probably ready player one is that first
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chapter really gets into details that I
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really rather actually not know and just
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have him say trust me it's a virtual
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world and then there's a story I'm going
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to tell you and thatthat's better it's
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like once they get into the details then
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there then then it's boring and they're
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going to get them wrong with Willy
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wobbly timey-wimey as we exactly the
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grandeur the fantasy and the more
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ridiculous the technology and the better
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the story the more likely i am to
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believe it if its present day
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NCIS let's enhance the video it becomes
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ooh far less sense yes no enhance more
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intense again I'm if it's not if it's
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set 3,000 years in the future and
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they're on a spaceship and certain
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things I'm willing to let certain things
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go in the name of plot no yeah nothing
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bothered me more than seeing Jack Bauer
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with his palm treo that had like
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instantaneous live video gps
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collaboration with the people back at
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the CTU they have released that model
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it wouldn't have had to sell themselves
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yeah the guys from honestly if palm
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could do what they did on 24
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homewood on all of us now that's why
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John Lewis very dating world is going on
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the village street now he's gonna create
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the CTU operating system for terror
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counterterrorism exactly he's getting I
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media for media TV that another well now
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that now that a webos has been open
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source all the other there's probably
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like a guy out there who's like I am
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your specialist in creating fake
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interfaces for movies and TV and my last
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meal somewhere it's true
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yeah alright so we've done enough damage
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to our selves and and macrolife stage
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for Stephen Fry has been mentioned so I
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think we're ok now has stephen fry ever
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miss you see fries a good user of
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technology seems like he's trying to
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steal all the work by doing everything
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and writing technology reviews also he's
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so talented in so many other ways he
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needs to leave our business alive I want
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demarcation I'll tell you demarcation as
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long as he doesn't become the voice of
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wikipedia and therefore become the
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actual hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
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i will be fine
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yeah although he said it's funny if you
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don't know stephen Fry's not only a huge
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apple fan but he-he's gets invited to
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apple events now so we were at the ipad
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to launch writer was the original is an
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original iPad and original iPad were all
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their kind of blown away by the original
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iPad we're getting a look at it because
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it's not going to be out for a little
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while and and stephen fry is there its
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special ok it's what why are you here
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it's what it's like and he's carrying on
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from his friend Douglas Adams who was a
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big mac fan ever and douglas adams one
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of the great things about him was both
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his willingness to write in technology
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when it made sense about contemporary
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stuff and make up all kinds of things
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that weren't relevant didn't have to
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show his work well with the checkers are
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like that without you
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the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy the
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beauty of that is that you know that is
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prefiguring wikipedia in many ways and
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in the ipad and the idea had and it's
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great and I and the one of the you know
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terrible things about him having having
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died so young is that God would love to
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see douglas adams take on a lot of
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modern technology especially something
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like Wikipedia which I just know there
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is some incredible humor for him to mind
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from it that we know that we're never
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going to see but we do have the checkers
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what we do know the
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guns on AT&T so there is that and on
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that note I think we will close up the
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annual tradition of us sitting up here
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and saying things randomly live in front
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of an audience I would like to thank my
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guests Dan Morgan thank you very much
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for being here as always it's a pleasure
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to be here as always just isn't always a
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pleasure you just always here i'm always
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here it's not always apply ok thank you
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i want to clarify serenity call well
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thank you very much for being here it's
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always a pleasure to have you here
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I love being here maybe not always on
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this couch but I love being on this part
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is i was gonna make you to stay here
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overnight
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I mean Ryan ok I'm afraid my chair home
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yeah alright that's good i'm taking the
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stage home and Glenn fleischmann thank
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you for being here thank you very
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pressing us with your presence please
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insert twenty-five cents to continue a
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thank you and thanks to everybody who
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joined us screaming on the internet
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everybody who's here and shameless plug
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if you would like to hear slightly more
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coherent versions of conversations like
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this that are edited and not live in
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front of an audience that go somewhere
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he'll go somewhere else otherwise listen
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to be uncomfortable which you can find
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at the incomparable not calm until next
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time I am Jason Snell if there is a next
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