The Incomparable

76: Robert Redford`s Foot


00:00:03   the incomparable podcast number 76 [TS]

00:00:08   January 2012 [TS]

00:00:11   we're back on the including a high-caste [TS]

00:00:14   we are live at macworld expo on the [TS]

00:00:16   incomparable podcast live and my guess [TS]

00:00:19   as always it seems eternally are Glenn [TS]

00:00:23   fleischmann hello Glenn hello [TS]

00:00:25   I later another system this episode yes [TS]

00:00:28   and almost every episode serenity [TS]

00:00:30   Caldwell hello hello hello jason this is [TS]

00:00:33   only my third thing on the stage today [TS]

00:00:36   gee you're a slacker I know I just don't [TS]

00:00:39   do enough and dan moore and who is on [TS]

00:00:41   every podcast ever made [TS]

00:00:44   I'm the man on every podcast so [TS]

00:00:45   contractually I must be on this one [TS]

00:00:47   yes thank you for making it and [TS]

00:00:49   fulfilling your contract had to also I i [TS]

00:00:51   think i was threatened to be fired if I [TS]

00:00:53   was not so often when we're doing the [TS]

00:00:55   incomparable we're talking about movie [TS]

00:00:56   we did a bunch of episodes about we did [TS]

00:00:58   a couple episodes about Star Wars The [TS]

00:01:00   Empire Strikes Back we talk about rid of [TS]

00:01:01   the lost ark we talk about superhero [TS]

00:01:03   movies talk about books lots of [TS]

00:01:06   different books you know thousand page [TS]

00:01:08   fantasy and sci-fi novels we've talked [TS]

00:01:11   about TV shows [TS]

00:01:12   Doctor Who Sherlock star trac lots of [TS]

00:01:14   stuff like that uh today we're going to [TS]

00:01:17   go on a topic and because we're a [TS]

00:01:21   technology event where the topic is [TS]

00:01:23   going to be technology we're going to [TS]

00:01:24   talk about stuff we love and I hope so [TS]

00:01:27   please oh please stuff we hate in terms [TS]

00:01:31   of how technology is portrayed in books [TS]

00:01:34   movies and films because we know how [TS]

00:01:37   technology really works its magic it's [TS]

00:01:40   magic and then we watch it on the screen [TS]

00:01:42   and it it doesn't work like that so i [TS]

00:01:45   wanted to start by asking each of you if [TS]

00:01:48   you have a particular example of [TS]

00:01:50   terrible technology from a book movie TV [TS]

00:01:56   show or any other form of entertainment [TS]

00:01:57   that you've seen in your lives am as a [TS]

00:02:00   media consumer I'm getting ready yeah [TS]

00:02:03   are you prepared [TS]

00:02:05   I mean more or less most less alright so [TS]

00:02:08   as I got a spot as jeff goldblum up [TS]

00:02:10   using a powerbook to upload a computer [TS]

00:02:12   virus to an alien flying saucer and [TS]

00:02:15   independence day which couldn't happen [TS]

00:02:16   for about an infinite number of reasons [TS]

00:02:19   yes it's like unless they happen to be [TS]

00:02:21   from a parallel world where mac OS is [TS]

00:02:23   the dominant [TS]

00:02:24   operating system for flying saucer [TS]

00:02:26   technology which seems unlikely i think [TS]

00:02:29   it's possible but there were no max [TS]

00:02:30   viruses really weren't there may be on [TS]

00:02:33   the alien parallel planet their work [TS]

00:02:36   anyway what do you think dan I I had [TS]

00:02:39   kind of a more general one because it [TS]

00:02:40   comes up in a lot of different books and [TS]

00:02:42   receive it's a pea yeah it's a it's a [TS]

00:02:45   complaint about about the way [TS]

00:02:46   technologies Britain how many times have [TS]

00:02:48   you seen somebody on a TV show or movie [TS]

00:02:50   hack a password one character at a time [TS]

00:02:53   and I am even in things that I like and [TS]

00:02:58   it's sad when you're watching something [TS]

00:02:59   that you really like and then they start [TS]

00:03:01   doing that and you're like cheese [TS]

00:03:03   because it's not how that's not how [TS]

00:03:05   passwords work passwords are encrypted [TS]

00:03:07   as a whole there's no way to guess one [TS]

00:03:10   character of it and then confirm that [TS]

00:03:12   character is correct and then move on to [TS]

00:03:13   the next year i'm here to tell you it's [TS]

00:03:15   actually possible [TS]

00:03:16   actually I can have examples i'm just [TS]

00:03:19   going to refute you because that's my [TS]

00:03:20   nature but it's true there are ways if [TS]

00:03:22   you know a little bit of the password [TS]

00:03:23   you can get a little more a little more [TS]

00:03:24   so I'm sorry didn't know one is that's [TS]

00:03:28   bad that's beyond the scope of this mod [TS]

00:03:30   cast that security features they know [TS]

00:03:33   you write a they didn't that doesn't [TS]

00:03:34   make any sense it's it's you know the [TS]

00:03:36   password is encrypted as a whole you [TS]

00:03:37   know if you don't you know a little bit [TS]

00:03:39   of you can guess what's not in it you [TS]

00:03:41   can derive it from Homeland Security [TS]

00:03:42   wouldn't go left to right one digit at a [TS]

00:03:44   time with the first two digits are one [TS]

00:03:46   and eight only works if it's in [TS]

00:03:48   typewriter font though that's typical [TS]

00:03:50   bar [TS]

00:03:51   well anything is anything with passwords [TS]

00:03:52   right because I mean I do like [TS]

00:03:54   occasionally i think my favorites are [TS]

00:03:55   the ones where they're like all we need [TS]

00:03:57   a password to break in this computer and [TS]

00:03:59   then there's a like a post-it note like [TS]

00:04:01   actually like that because that's reason [TS]

00:04:02   that like I'm going out there to [TS]

00:04:04   actually keep their passwords on a [TS]

00:04:05   post-it note somewhere near their [TS]

00:04:06   computer because i'm guessing a few a [TS]

00:04:09   few anybody know what to make doing tell [TS]

00:04:11   me I understand you can depend on your [TS]

00:04:12   house and a liquid it's like you know [TS]

00:04:14   will we can't figure the pastor we tried [TS]

00:04:16   everything [TS]

00:04:17   have you tried his wife's maiden name [TS]

00:04:20   with no we never thought of that quick [TS]

00:04:22   typing even when she's not going to [TS]

00:04:24   behold the static and that somebody did [TS]

00:04:27   hackers stole a password database and [TS]

00:04:29   they posted it and all the security [TS]

00:04:31   researchers did an analysis of that it [TS]

00:04:34   to turn out unfortunately for all those [TS]

00:04:35   spy movies that it isn't somebody [TS]

00:04:37   is something clever like a date of a [TS]

00:04:40   birthday or the name of your spouse it [TS]

00:04:42   tends to be password one or password I [TS]

00:04:45   mean I anyone friend of mine worked at a [TS]

00:04:46   UH his parents had a small company and [TS]

00:04:48   he did their computer maintenance insert [TS]

00:04:50   a list of everybody's password like [TS]

00:04:52   seventy percent of them were just [TS]

00:04:53   password that they never changed it so i [TS]

00:04:56   guess there is some accuracy to that but [TS]

00:04:58   that's just said I don't know when I [TS]

00:05:00   think of the one digit a time thing it [TS]

00:05:03   just reminds me of a high-tech version [TS]

00:05:04   of tumble walks where it's like all [TS]

00:05:06   right I'm listening in and I'm oh I'm [TS]

00:05:08   finding the first digit now let's try [TS]

00:05:10   and see if we can find the second and [TS]

00:05:12   then we find the third I just assumed [TS]

00:05:14   that that's where it is looking anybody [TS]

00:05:16   ever play that game I mastermind we have [TS]

00:05:18   to get that what the other person [TS]

00:05:19   actually right over and around a lot [TS]

00:05:21   exactly yeah no you're right it is it [TS]

00:05:24   somebody wrote a screenplay without with [TS]

00:05:25   a combination lock in a safecracker and [TS]

00:05:27   then somebody said nobody does that [TS]

00:05:28   anymore make it a computer so red you [TS]

00:05:32   have a great of a favorite use of [TS]

00:05:34   technology i have a a couple overall [TS]

00:05:37   grapes media OS as a friend of mine so [TS]

00:05:41   lovingly calls it is my biggest gripe [TS]

00:05:43   where they just you know it's it's some [TS]

00:05:46   people hacking into a system or going [TS]

00:05:49   into a high-tech security interface and [TS]

00:05:52   they pull this up and it's no computer [TS]

00:05:54   system ever known to man [TS]

00:05:56   it's like oh that's all of them yes it's [TS]

00:05:59   all of the mashed together it's not it's [TS]

00:06:01   not linux it's not Mac it's not windows [TS]

00:06:03   it's always man without linux all went [TS]

00:06:05   down the exes in the corners of the [TS]

00:06:07   boxes and it's just been going to school [TS]

00:06:10   yeah exactly it's an OS that doesn't [TS]

00:06:12   quite exist in any universe and yet it [TS]

00:06:14   is the prevailing OS everywhere I know [TS]

00:06:16   the myth the big feature of the two [TS]

00:06:18   computers used on TV as they still [TS]

00:06:19   somewhere in those computers theres a [TS]

00:06:21   floppy disk going tick-tick-tick [TS]

00:06:23   tick-tick-tick as everything happens [TS]

00:06:25   where what is that [TS]

00:06:26   have you ever seen the 1i think there's [TS]

00:06:28   there's a couple where they use that [TS]

00:06:29   sort of generic media OS software and [TS]

00:06:32   it's actually just a it's a it's a [TS]

00:06:34   QuickTime movie like what they had to do [TS]

00:06:36   is actually they've recorded like a [TS]

00:06:37   screencast of their interface and so [TS]

00:06:40   they're doing things and it doesn't line [TS]

00:06:41   up with what's happening on the screen [TS]

00:06:43   and then once I think I saw one show [TS]

00:06:45   once where they like you can see the [TS]

00:06:46   window like roam around the window your [TS]

00:06:48   little bit [TS]

00:06:49   that's android was a cheap shot but all [TS]

00:06:52   that's good you're playing yourself out [TS]

00:06:54   here when I was a kid I got a computer [TS]

00:06:56   magazine that had those computer [TS]

00:06:57   programs you could type in and and use [TS]

00:07:00   yourself and one of them was from the TV [TS]

00:07:02   show with kids which was on I am dating [TS]

00:07:04   myself I realized I which was it was [TS]

00:07:07   like the war games or games was a hit [TS]

00:07:09   movie and people said let's do that as a [TS]

00:07:11   TV show and it was it didn't last very [TS]

00:07:13   long will get the guy from Barney Miller [TS]

00:07:15   to be in it but they had this program [TS]

00:07:17   and basically for every key you randomly [TS]

00:07:20   matched on the computer it would put up [TS]

00:07:22   a letter that actually would spell [TS]

00:07:23   something so that the actors didn't have [TS]

00:07:26   to have to type things they could just [TS]

00:07:27   hit the keys like doodoo and it would [TS]

00:07:30   actually type what they're supposed to [TS]

00:07:31   type on the screen because actors cannot [TS]

00:07:33   be trained to type the words themselves [TS]

00:07:35   strangely dogs dogs can dogs are really [TS]

00:07:38   intentionally monkeys and a damned by [TS]

00:07:40   mentioning the quicktime movie you left [TS]

00:07:41   out the most famous use of a QuickTime [TS]

00:07:43   movie in film history which is the [TS]

00:07:47   conversation that way night Newman from [TS]

00:07:49   Seinfeld has in Jurassic Park before [TS]

00:07:52   everybody gets eaten by dinosaurs and I [TS]

00:07:55   don't know people notice this but if you [TS]

00:07:57   look this video conference that's [TS]

00:07:59   happening is has a progress bar that's [TS]

00:08:02   slowly going from one end to the other [TS]

00:08:05   because it's not a video conference it's [TS]

00:08:08   a QuickTime movie in the quicktime [TS]

00:08:10   player and when and ended the call is [TS]

00:08:12   over when the progress for either it's [TS]

00:08:14   really good timing it's like sorry my [TS]

00:08:16   class to be over my progress bars reach [TS]

00:08:18   the end by traffic park is particularly [TS]

00:08:20   egregious right because it's got that [TS]

00:08:21   famous scene where the little kids you [TS]

00:08:23   know the young woman looks at the [TS]

00:08:25   computers i know this this is this is [TS]

00:08:27   unix those visualizers SGI UNIX file [TS]

00:08:30   system fly through visualizer they're [TS]

00:08:33   presenting as if it were unix well I [TS]

00:08:35   know whatever i'm programming and using [TS]

00:08:37   unix you know using the terminal i like [TS]

00:08:38   to put on 3d glasses to get the full [TS]

00:08:40   experience the comparator terminal is [TS]

00:08:42   really best appreciated three men [TS]

00:08:44   wearing mine all the time when Patrick [TS]

00:08:46   taught us that really you know I I was [TS]

00:08:48   just thinking that that is one thing [TS]

00:08:49   that really irks me and hurt me the [TS]

00:08:51   first time that I saw the matrix is when [TS]

00:08:53   they're looking at the code is like oh I [TS]

00:08:55   can read that that means you're running [TS]

00:08:57   down the street [TS]

00:08:58   alright if we're in high [TS]

00:08:59   techno post-apocalyptic society really [TS]

00:09:02   no one decided that it would be good to [TS]

00:09:04   go back to a graphical user interface [TS]

00:09:06   you can't just program that into a look [TS]

00:09:08   hey jpg the machines don't want us to [TS]

00:09:10   see things graphically what to flip side [TS]

00:09:13   the matrix the second Matrix movie which [TS]

00:09:15   is mostly abysmal and always actually [TS]

00:09:17   has a scene very early on where the [TS]

00:09:20   character Trinity uses like goes and [TS]

00:09:22   breaks into a computer room and starts [TS]

00:09:24   ssa changing into another server and is [TS]

00:09:27   actually it is actually totally correct [TS]

00:09:29   which is I think they got yelled at [TS]

00:09:31   enough that first movie they're like [TS]

00:09:32   always better remember appease the Nerds [TS]

00:09:34   a cleansing is actually energies you [TS]

00:09:37   you're cranky guy I imagine you've got a [TS]

00:09:39   few grievances him off the cranky i know [TS]

00:09:41   but I'll give a category in some [TS]

00:09:43   examples which is it's the science [TS]

00:09:45   fiction novel particularly that provides [TS]

00:09:48   too much scientific explanation that is [TS]

00:09:50   unnecessary is sometimes wrong or you [TS]

00:09:53   just don't care they're working so hard [TS]

00:09:54   out spin is a good example by robert [TS]

00:09:58   charles wilson right which is enjoyable [TS]

00:10:00   in parts but it gets fired more the [TS]

00:10:03   novel starts at so much stronger to stop [TS]

00:10:05   people as it goes on feels compelled to [TS]

00:10:07   bring in all this biology and Technology [TS]

00:10:10   and the guys turning into a crystal [TS]

00:10:11   spoiler someone turns into a crystal and [TS]

00:10:14   all these other things against you know [TS]

00:10:16   you're really defeating your plot here [TS]

00:10:17   you just you you overwhelmed the plot [TS]

00:10:21   and the human-interest with details to [TS]

00:10:23   try to make logical plausible physics [TS]

00:10:25   about things that don't exist just being [TS]

00:10:27   go on and on but the counter example [TS]

00:10:30   there is a novel like the sparrow by [TS]

00:10:32   again a ternary Doria wrestle he's got [TS]

00:10:35   all the names and I've sack of grain [TS]

00:10:36   thank you very much and uh her novel is [TS]

00:10:39   beautiful and the sparrow by the way i [TS]

00:10:41   think is one of the most beautiful [TS]

00:10:42   science-fiction novels written and she [TS]

00:10:44   doesn't care very much about the science [TS]

00:10:47   she is just enough to make it something [TS]

00:10:49   you don't care about so they do [TS]

00:10:51   interstellar travel and there's alien [TS]

00:10:52   species but it's all about the heart and [TS]

00:10:55   about the characterization is not always [TS]

00:10:56   a fatal flies you you you have a writer [TS]

00:10:59   who wants to show their work and [TS]

00:11:01   sometimes the work just needs to be [TS]

00:11:02   there to inform what they write and [TS]

00:11:04   instead like no no I did lots of [TS]

00:11:05   research about computers [TS]

00:11:07   I'm putting the computers i want to tell [TS]

00:11:09   you [TS]

00:11:10   you think I know or biology or whatever [TS]

00:11:12   and it was to Charles Sheffield of the [TS]

00:11:14   c-style sheffield wrote some terrific [TS]

00:11:16   science fiction some not-so-good science [TS]

00:11:17   fiction but he is big proponent of space [TS]

00:11:20   elevators and when he was about space [TS]

00:11:21   elevators that was right you could build [TS]

00:11:23   it from the story and that's fine [TS]

00:11:25   because that was his thing and I believe [TS]

00:11:27   it but if you can't do that you don't [TS]

00:11:29   need to try that I had that problem with [TS]

00:11:30   the vernor vinge II was a fire upon the [TS]

00:11:34   deep is that the first one [TS]

00:11:35   yeah and and the there's a big section [TS]

00:11:38   in the beginning was talking about the [TS]

00:11:40   like sentient computer that comes online [TS]

00:11:42   and like it starts like ruining this [TS]

00:11:44   human colony but he started out from [TS]

00:11:46   like you know like so the transistors [TS]

00:11:48   are firing and then it turns into one's [TS]

00:11:49   it's like all the way up and you're like [TS]

00:11:51   no no no I don't care [TS]

00:11:53   electrical engineering 101 Thank You [TS]

00:11:55   rates for me and books I mean that the [TS]

00:11:58   the best thing about a novel is that you [TS]

00:12:00   get to sort of picture how it looks in [TS]

00:12:02   your own head and you get to connect [TS]

00:12:04   everything yourself and when they [TS]

00:12:05   overwhelm you with technical with [TS]

00:12:07   technological doodads and doohickeys and [TS]

00:12:09   yes all of this works and this is how it [TS]

00:12:12   works [TS]

00:12:12   you're like I've been now you're [TS]

00:12:14   clouding up my picture and no I I [TS]

00:12:16   thought it looked that way [TS]

00:12:17   might I really i mean ender's game is a [TS]

00:12:19   is a shaky book for a number of reasons [TS]

00:12:22   my line out I didn't know I thing for a [TS]

00:12:26   number of not non-book reasons as a [TS]

00:12:28   novel i love the novel but a lot of [TS]

00:12:30   people have different opinions for [TS]

00:12:32   various reasons your honor we offer from [TS]

00:12:34   water on her hesitation but the thing I [TS]

00:12:37   love about ender's game is when they [TS]

00:12:39   describe Battle School and they [TS]

00:12:41   described in in the novel for those of [TS]

00:12:43   you who haven't read it basically goes [TS]

00:12:45   to a battle school with thousands of [TS]

00:12:47   other youngsters and they're playing [TS]

00:12:49   basically laser tagging space i think is [TS]

00:12:52   the best the best way to put it with [TS]

00:12:53   obstacles and the awesome school ever [TS]

00:12:56   like it is the awesome school ever [TS]

00:12:58   applied there was not accepted [TS]

00:13:00   sadly I but in this in this battle you [TS]

00:13:04   know in this battle arena the the idea [TS]

00:13:06   is basically it's like a 360 degree [TS]

00:13:08   thing and it's 0 g but the only thing [TS]

00:13:10   they really ever to view description [TS]

00:13:12   wise is the enemy's gate is down and [TS]

00:13:15   from there you can picture it any way [TS]

00:13:17   you want it if they had gone into [TS]

00:13:20   details yes 0g require [TS]

00:13:23   is that you spend this way and that like [TS]

00:13:25   that would just ruin it for this game [TS]

00:13:26   also works great that they all have [TS]

00:13:27   iPads if you remember before the ipad [TS]

00:13:30   was invented they'll have these little [TS]

00:13:31   tablets and they're playing like [TS]

00:13:32   essentially what is some kind of like [TS]

00:13:34   it's almost like i missed like game on [TS]

00:13:37   their iPad that there's like the giant [TS]

00:13:38   and like they have to there's a puzzle [TS]

00:13:40   it's kind of a puzzle game 0 singles [TS]

00:13:42   coming out with that soon [TS]

00:13:43   you're amazing twisty passages all alike [TS]

00:13:45   indeed except I with actions going we've [TS]

00:13:47   invented games with pictures now [TS]

00:13:49   yes it's not the matrix so ready player [TS]

00:13:52   one actually which is on many many times [TS]

00:13:54   I know I touched the third rail here [TS]

00:13:55   it's on many many ten best list of the [TS]

00:13:58   best sci-fi novels of last year which is [TS]

00:14:00   funny because I you can say ever and i [TS]

00:14:02   thought you know lots of us didn't like [TS]

00:14:04   it but I think one of the one of the [TS]

00:14:05   criticisms we have of it is that is that [TS]

00:14:07   he tries in great detail to depict a [TS]

00:14:10   video game world that's not unlike i'm [TS]

00:14:13   super advanced world of warcraft kind of [TS]

00:14:14   thing where everybody lives in or or [TS]

00:14:16   snow crash kind of metaphors right [TS]

00:14:18   virtual reality world and and yet [TS]

00:14:21   um he seems to get the details of [TS]

00:14:24   massively multiplayer online games it's [TS]

00:14:26   like totally wrong it's got no latency [TS]

00:14:28   and it's all like like what like what [TS]

00:14:30   like terabit connection and it takes you [TS]

00:14:32   a year to go up a level with you tell [TS]

00:14:34   people will totally keep playing if they [TS]

00:14:36   never level WC that I was having a drink [TS]

00:14:38   with the phone works at second life who [TS]

00:14:40   actually like the novel yesterday [TS]

00:14:43   because even though it's full he knows [TS]

00:14:45   exactly how second life works he works [TS]

00:14:47   there is a massively you know they have [TS]

00:14:48   all these billions of servers and [TS]

00:14:50   whatever he's like I didn't bother me [TS]

00:14:52   really that's the part that I worse [TS]

00:14:54   because it was the end of the plot had [TS]

00:14:56   issues and characterization whatever but [TS]

00:14:58   it was the technical implausibility that [TS]

00:15:00   seemed most egregious because he works [TS]

00:15:01   so hard at it i don't know i mean for me [TS]

00:15:03   I didn't I thought the book was ok I [TS]

00:15:06   wasn't a huge fan of it but i actually [TS]

00:15:08   had no problem with that it was just it [TS]

00:15:10   was one of those one of those things [TS]

00:15:11   where they painted the world and they [TS]

00:15:13   said alright this is a you know semi [TS]

00:15:15   post-apocalyptic society here are the [TS]

00:15:18   terrible things that happened but hey [TS]

00:15:20   there are millions of data farms in the [TS]

00:15:22   center and this is how this you know i'm [TS]

00:15:24   gonna give you just enough again just [TS]

00:15:25   enough information that you can paint a [TS]

00:15:26   picture in your head I'm like you know [TS]

00:15:28   what [TS]

00:15:28   it's a fantasy book I'm not pretending [TS]

00:15:30   its present a united states i mean i'm [TS]

00:15:32   gonna believe that there's a magical [TS]

00:15:33   future in which everybody has 0 [TS]

00:15:35   see because i don't care because it's [TS]

00:15:36   serving the story but contrast that with [TS]

00:15:38   with neal stephenson's remedy which is [TS]

00:15:41   also about massively multiplayer and he [TS]

00:15:43   doesn't [TS]

00:15:44   not only does he go into the details but [TS]

00:15:46   Stephenson in general a he really [TS]

00:15:48   understands technology and you know that [TS]

00:15:49   if you read his books because it all [TS]

00:15:51   works it makes sense but that was a [TS]

00:15:52   great example of something that was not [TS]

00:15:54   only it all worked but it was it was [TS]

00:15:55   kind of fascinating the way he presented [TS]

00:15:57   it he's got a great way of going off [TS]

00:15:59   into these technical digressions that is [TS]

00:16:01   is really interesting is tangential ya [TS]

00:16:04   know that the game terrain in rear D by [TS]

00:16:07   Neal Stephenson is a much more realistic [TS]

00:16:09   world uh a realistic video game [TS]

00:16:13   what's strange about that novel courses [TS]

00:16:14   that 500 pages in he gets bored with [TS]

00:16:16   that and decided that there may be more [TS]

00:16:18   gamma way instead of thinking about his [TS]

00:16:21   other sorry lost track of what he was [TS]

00:16:22   waiting he had started different novel [TS]

00:16:24   the middle but it's also good novel the [TS]

00:16:25   second yeah no I mean but Randy and [TS]

00:16:28   ready player one serv err two very [TS]

00:16:29   different focuses whereas terrain and [TS]

00:16:31   Randy is very much [TS]

00:16:33   it's about the game it's not necessarily [TS]

00:16:34   about playing the game but they're [TS]

00:16:36   spending time talking about the [TS]

00:16:37   background of the game and the game is [TS]

00:16:39   the issue here whereas ready player one [TS]

00:16:41   it's all about what they're doing in the [TS]

00:16:42   game and all about the puzzles in the [TS]

00:16:44   game so the game came out movies from [TS]

00:16:46   the 1980s really that's the important [TS]

00:16:48   thing now it's true and movies from the [TS]

00:16:49   nineteen eighties make us all happy as [TS]

00:16:51   learn from us and they yes they do they [TS]

00:16:53   make me happy i don't know about you [TS]

00:16:55   people but you're weird island and now [TS]

00:16:57   it's time for special guest john [TS]

00:16:58   Syracuse and hold fast really do onstage [TS]

00:17:01   mines real genius is an excellent movie [TS]

00:17:03   and you have to have a cold black heart [TS]

00:17:05   to just like it anywhere on the DVD case [TS]

00:17:07   John circus attempted yeah uh I wanted [TS]

00:17:11   to mention that we talked about lots of [TS]

00:17:12   nerdy things because this is what this [TS]

00:17:15   is for but I wanted to bring up a novel [TS]

00:17:18   from a popular culture that just bit [TS]

00:17:22   massive best-selling novel of the last [TS]

00:17:23   few years which is the girl with the [TS]

00:17:25   dragon tattoo which I think lots of [TS]

00:17:28   people have lots of people have read it [TS]

00:17:30   and I find it fascinating because of two [TS]

00:17:33   things one there is a super naturally [TS]

00:17:36   brilliant computer hacker Elizabeth [TS]

00:17:39   Salander who can put some software on [TS]

00:17:42   your computer that lets her see your [TS]

00:17:45   computer and its entire hard drive [TS]

00:17:46   contents over the Internet [TS]

00:17:48   anywhere and she has a complete copy of [TS]

00:17:50   everything you've got at all times [TS]

00:17:52   it's like the she should not be a [TS]

00:17:55   computer hacker for hire [TS]

00:17:56   she invented like instantaneous time [TS]

00:17:58   machine she should be a billionaire [TS]

00:18:00   crashplan is demonstrating that software [TS]

00:18:02   later today i think it's it's having the [TS]

00:18:04   proper problem the possibility that was [TS]

00:18:06   a thing when i read that that part [TS]

00:18:07   particularly got me because there are [TS]

00:18:09   many he asked somebody talk to people [TS]

00:18:11   about this clearly because they're [TS]

00:18:13   aspects of it that are just right and [TS]

00:18:15   then there are aspects of it that are [TS]

00:18:16   completely ridiculous easy capable of [TS]

00:18:19   figuring out which was which [TS]

00:18:20   well and again the problem with steve [TS]

00:18:24   larson in that book is that he goes into [TS]

00:18:26   such specific detail and the the one [TS]

00:18:29   that always sticks out in my memory is I [TS]

00:18:31   think it's from the first book where [TS]

00:18:33   she's like yes Elizabeth unpacked her 3g [TS]

00:18:36   or her ibook g3 is 233 megahertz of [TS]

00:18:41   round and I number to complain about the [TS]

00:18:43   girl with the dragon tattoo which any [TS]

00:18:44   mac user who is what who has read that [TS]

00:18:46   book has to laugh and laugh at it he [TS]

00:18:49   that guy was such a gigantic nerd it is [TS]

00:18:53   it is so apparent it's hilarious because [TS]

00:18:55   he wanted to detail to the to the amount [TS]

00:18:59   of hard drive space and ram installed in [TS]

00:19:01   all the mac laptops that are used by all [TS]

00:19:04   the characters in that book and he does [TS]

00:19:06   if you haven't read it it's amazing and [TS]

00:19:08   as an editor I sit there and think why [TS]

00:19:10   is this here but i love it that that [TS]

00:19:12   that the author was so obsessed with the [TS]

00:19:15   mac that he wanted to put in the specs [TS]

00:19:18   of every characters laptop carried over [TS]

00:19:20   here but to the movie tour the recent [TS]

00:19:22   American movie anyways they there they [TS]

00:19:24   use macs and that and in fact i think [TS]

00:19:25   they use iphoto for a particular scene [TS]

00:19:28   where they're like he's cataloging [TS]

00:19:30   images from this parade in the nineteen [TS]

00:19:32   fifties and discover something within [TS]

00:19:34   the images they actually used I think [TS]

00:19:35   all that was like real in the movie like [TS]

00:19:38   they used all the correct features now [TS]

00:19:39   but how many megahertz was the was only [TS]

00:19:42   running and I for Megan's you know its [TS]

00:19:44   masters what was like you look at a [TS]

00:19:45   movie like Blade Runner and I don't [TS]

00:19:47   think played forever irritates us about [TS]

00:19:49   it [TS]

00:19:50   I mean you know advanced zoom in [TS]

00:19:52   quadrant four be zoo [TS]

00:19:54   zoom zoom ok keep zooming down to the [TS]

00:19:57   molecular structures areas you know that [TS]

00:20:00   every minute hand students will give ya [TS]

00:20:02   that means never bothers me in the [TS]

00:20:04   structure of great storytelling [TS]

00:20:05   fascinating movie the intensity like [TS]

00:20:08   bothers me is tiny tiny bit because this [TS]

00:20:10   the the the way what bother you a lot [TS]

00:20:13   know I was going to say that the problem [TS]

00:20:14   with blade runner is that replicates are [TS]

00:20:16   totally not like that [TS]

00:20:18   what's like what flying cover and tell [TS]

00:20:23   me about your mother's a glowing of [TS]

00:20:24   thing about him now and now we're going [TS]

00:20:26   to administer the voigt-kampff test the [TS]

00:20:28   gland right now onstage so let's simply [TS]

00:20:31   with you you're reminded me of a scene [TS]

00:20:33   in a movie which is my favorite [TS]

00:20:34   technological craziness ever which is [TS]

00:20:37   the movie I don't have anybody ever saw [TS]

00:20:38   the movie enemy of the state will Smith [TS]

00:20:40   and gene hackman it's it's sort of a [TS]

00:20:43   unofficial gene hackman sort of plays a [TS]

00:20:45   continuation of his character from the [TS]

00:20:47   conversation a great friends for couple [TS]

00:20:49   of them from the seventies but there's a [TS]

00:20:51   scene where these NSA agents are [TS]

00:20:54   tracking will smith and they think he's [TS]

00:20:56   a spy or something and so the two of the [TS]

00:20:59   two techniques are talking in the van [TS]

00:21:00   and they're saying oh we got this camera [TS]

00:21:02   view on on him but he's carrying a bag [TS]

00:21:05   we want to know what these what's in the [TS]

00:21:06   bag but we can't tell because he's in [TS]

00:21:08   between us and the bet you know using [TS]

00:21:10   between the camera and the bag [TS]

00:21:11   this is what we can all right we'll [TS]

00:21:12   rotate the rotate the image on along at [TS]

00:21:15   on a 180-degree access to turn around [TS]

00:21:17   and so the other guy goes it can do that [TS]

00:21:20   and the first guy says it can [TS]

00:21:22   hypothesize which from years my friends [TS]

00:21:26   and I pretty good throw it can [TS]

00:21:28   hypothesize it's so you can imagine what [TS]

00:21:30   might be in the band the other side of a [TS]

00:21:32   bag from an image it cannot get but it's [TS]

00:21:35   also the shower part is that MIT later [TS]

00:21:37   some guys did research of technology [TS]

00:21:39   that's very much like this that was a [TS]

00:21:40   good like extrapolate what was on a [TS]

00:21:42   plane card on the other side of playing [TS]

00:21:44   card it blew my mind I was like oh my [TS]

00:21:45   god that's real there is technology that [TS]

00:21:47   can do like they look at the reflections [TS]

00:21:49   elsewhere and they can kind of back [TS]

00:21:50   scatter the light and figure out what [TS]

00:21:53   was what what I think this is like [TS]

00:21:54   looking through the card and figure out [TS]

00:21:56   like the razor equals crazy it is it is [TS]

00:21:58   great so so okay we've spent the last 20 [TS]

00:22:01   minutes griping about bad there's a lot [TS]

00:22:03   of that technology stuff i mean being a [TS]

00:22:05   natural expo I would be remiss if I [TS]

00:22:07   didn't mention the [TS]

00:22:08   find Sandra Bullock vehicle the net most [TS]

00:22:12   notable perhaps for Dennis Miller [TS]

00:22:15   playing an intrepid computer hacker who [TS]

00:22:17   is who [TS]

00:22:19   who is horribly killed halfway through [TS]

00:22:20   spoiler alert sorry don't get attached [TS]

00:22:23   to Dennis Miller in the net if you [TS]

00:22:24   haven't seen it and we can actually do [TS]

00:22:26   Miller here don't worry but but all the [TS]

00:22:29   crowd seems in the tech trade show in [TS]

00:22:31   the net are shot at macworld expo I just [TS]

00:22:34   trivia [TS]

00:22:35   there you go it is macworld expo as it [TS]

00:22:38   was seen in the nineties is Philip [TS]

00:22:39   Michaels in that though that's the [TS]

00:22:40   important no no what is it honey ball I [TS]

00:22:43   believe if the processor goes BB below a [TS]

00:22:45   hundred megahertz than the bus exploded [TS]

00:22:47   about bus exploded i was the plot of the [TS]

00:22:49   net [TS]

00:22:49   anyway so positive portrayals you have [TS]

00:22:53   any examples of you know what does it [TS]

00:22:56   right every we cover technology for a [TS]

00:22:58   living and we also read you know and and [TS]

00:23:00   watch movies watch TV [TS]

00:23:02   what are the things that you see that [TS]

00:23:03   you think you know that's pretty good [TS]

00:23:06   they did a pretty dated a fair job with [TS]

00:23:07   that might look go ahead whenever she [TS]

00:23:12   ate you [TS]

00:23:13   I appreciate that and and then will [TS]

00:23:15   appreciate this references where you can [TS]

00:23:16   take mine i will i will attract [TS]

00:23:19   hopefully I won't write my my my one was [TS]

00:23:22   to saying that I appreciate that it [TS]

00:23:24   takes Han Solo a couple minutes to [TS]

00:23:26   calculate a path through hyperspace that [TS]

00:23:29   it's not just button hyperspace like no [TS]

00:23:32   I don't calculate the precise [TS]

00:23:34   coordinates and education and you know [TS]

00:23:36   all that we could you know why did a [TS]

00:23:38   black hole right through hyperspace [TS]

00:23:40   ain't like Dustin crops boy [TS]

00:23:42   oh yeah I was gonna say and this is a [TS]

00:23:45   another particular relation to where we [TS]

00:23:48   are defined san francisco-based tech [TS]

00:23:50   movie sneakers are just my career movies [TS]

00:23:53   of all time with sneakers and a small [TS]

00:23:54   details aren't always there but i love [TS]

00:23:57   the plot which basically involves a [TS]

00:23:59   codebreaker that can break any code [TS]

00:24:01   because there is a certain amount of [TS]

00:24:03   mathematical they have a scene where a [TS]

00:24:06   very very skinny and young Don alok was [TS]

00:24:09   a mathematician explains that this [TS]

00:24:11   theory is based on the fact that all [TS]

00:24:14   encryption is essentially based on hard [TS]

00:24:16   mathematical problems where it's really [TS]

00:24:18   easy to multiply two incredibly large [TS]

00:24:20   numbers together [TS]

00:24:21   but it's really hard to then take that [TS]

00:24:22   really large number and figure out what [TS]

00:24:24   the original two numbers multiplied work [TS]

00:24:25   now basically saying in the movie the [TS]

00:24:28   ideas he comes up with an algorithm that [TS]

00:24:30   makes it really easy to find out and [TS]

00:24:32   then it turns it into a computer chip [TS]

00:24:33   and it gets used to decrypt pretty much [TS]

00:24:35   any system which is great i love it [TS]

00:24:37   because it's kind of it's it's not [TS]

00:24:39   exactly like a high-stakes thing but it [TS]

00:24:42   is at the same time because it's just a [TS]

00:24:43   computer chip but it has all these [TS]

00:24:46   implications the implications that are [TS]

00:24:47   interesting and so there are a couple [TS]

00:24:49   great scenes where they use it to like [TS]

00:24:51   the code information there's also my [TS]

00:24:53   favorite scene ever which is involves [TS]

00:24:54   Robert Redford you know trying to break [TS]

00:24:57   into their office and he looks like this [TS]

00:24:58   are the same i remember how to a to [TS]

00:25:00   break a beating electronic keypad lock [TS]

00:25:02   he listens for a minute uh-huh uh-huh [TS]

00:25:05   uh-huh [TS]

00:25:07   all right i'll give it a try and it [TS]

00:25:08   kicks the door in here that worked like [TS]

00:25:11   that for me that was one of my favorite [TS]

00:25:12   moments and technology / Robert Redford [TS]

00:25:15   foot kick the door in [TS]

00:25:17   hey sometimes the brute force approach [TS]

00:25:18   works so yes mine so I was a big fan of [TS]

00:25:23   defying gravity a short-lived TV series [TS]

00:25:25   of american canadian co-production that [TS]

00:25:29   because i thought it was beautifully [TS]

00:25:30   shot so expensively I think they [TS]

00:25:32   couldn't continue to make this therapies [TS]

00:25:34   in light of the even though joint [TS]

00:25:36   production but what they did is they [TS]

00:25:38   took a world that was slightly in the [TS]

00:25:40   future not ridiculously far i think it [TS]

00:25:42   was only living less than a hundred [TS]

00:25:43   years the technology was beautifully [TS]

00:25:45   plotted ahead so they're going on a [TS]

00:25:48   grand voyage among all the planets it [TS]

00:25:50   turned out to be a non sinister benign [TS]

00:25:52   plots that was hidden from everyone to [TS]

00:25:54   spend a trillion dollars to do this [TS]

00:25:56   grand mission and learn and so forth and [TS]

00:25:58   it gets a little involved as to why but [TS]

00:26:00   all the technology involved was only a [TS]

00:26:02   mild extrapolation but it was beautiful [TS]

00:26:04   so this ship they made they had [TS]

00:26:06   extensive hydroponics and and so forth [TS]

00:26:08   and they figured out very carefully [TS]

00:26:09   there will be some real problems if they [TS]

00:26:11   didn't get this balance just right one [TS]

00:26:14   episode this pit where they think the [TS]

00:26:15   right at the Forgotten a tipping point [TS]

00:26:17   is a term for it overlooked range [TS]

00:26:19   whatever there's a term for where they [TS]

00:26:20   reached where after that point they do [TS]

00:26:22   not have enough you'll return without [TS]

00:26:24   reaching the next planet where they're [TS]

00:26:25   able to harvest fuel or what have you [TS]

00:26:27   and the have a water filtration problem [TS]

00:26:30   and it's not presented on [TS]

00:26:31   it's a plumbing issue is presented as a [TS]

00:26:33   serious thing it's actually crux of a [TS]

00:26:34   plot element and it's exactly what would [TS]

00:26:37   happen on that kind of mission is what [TS]

00:26:38   we see nuns on some missions in orbit or [TS]

00:26:41   to space shuttles that have occurred and [TS]

00:26:43   what they presented in a matter-of-fact [TS]

00:26:45   way that you been accepted so much you [TS]

00:26:48   willing to take so much you can focus on [TS]

00:26:50   the story and deal with some of the more [TS]

00:26:52   mystical elements that were off to the [TS]

00:26:53   side that's good [TS]

00:26:56   it was cancelled like most are thanks [TS]

00:26:59   backline I fallen short [TS]

00:27:02   I have a liked it was cancelled i have a [TS]

00:27:04   bunch of movies that I think do science [TS]

00:27:06   right i mean the maybe the most obvious [TS]

00:27:08   of them is really science fiction so [TS]

00:27:10   much but we were talking about your [TS]

00:27:12   genius upon and no real Jesus those [TS]

00:27:14   lasers are real man they weren't really [TS]

00:27:17   used in real genius they use the real [TS]

00:27:19   key programmer alright okay i didn't [TS]

00:27:21   like it out what you're gonna tell us a [TS]

00:27:23   little bit about real you you're gonna [TS]

00:27:24   make me without real you know real [TS]

00:27:26   genius does actually not do a bad job of [TS]

00:27:28   showing science in action and that it [TS]

00:27:30   isn't like they just kind of like [TS]

00:27:31   scribble some things up and flip the [TS]

00:27:33   switch and it works there's like they're [TS]

00:27:34   doing laser research and they're [TS]

00:27:36   frustrated there at Pacific tech which [TS]

00:27:38   is just a disguise Caltech and it goes [TS]

00:27:41   through that they go through a lot of [TS]

00:27:42   frustration and there's a a great moment [TS]

00:27:44   of the Eureka moment where val kilmer is [TS]

00:27:48   really upset that his laser is exploded [TS]

00:27:50   because the nefarious races wearing Kent [TS]

00:27:54   has put smudge the lens and it causes a [TS]

00:27:56   conflagration in the laser lab and he [TS]

00:27:58   goes out into his dorm a kitchenette and [TS]

00:28:01   kicks the kicks the refrigerator open [TS]

00:28:04   because he's just kicking everything and [TS]

00:28:06   the liquid nitrogen comes out and he [TS]

00:28:08   realizes that he could use liquid [TS]

00:28:10   nitrogen to freeze the material that is [TS]

00:28:13   using to make the laser in it and it's [TS]

00:28:15   and then he runs to the lab and you seem [TS]

00:28:17   kind of working it out and and it is [TS]

00:28:19   kind of a neat moment to show that [TS]

00:28:21   science takes hard work and it also [TS]

00:28:23   takes sleeps and this is a movie that is [TS]

00:28:25   not afraid [TS]

00:28:26   multiple times to show montages set to [TS]

00:28:30   music it was the eighties where people [TS]

00:28:32   are studying or they're learning how to [TS]

00:28:34   fire lasers or he's training in the [TS]

00:28:37   slaughterhouse right with that [TS]

00:28:39   that's real genius right II that the [TS]

00:28:42   only runs up the stairs you may be [TS]

00:28:43   thinking over there [TS]

00:28:44   and let me also say less science [TS]

00:28:47   accurate use of the haze command 80 [TS]

00:28:49   man's memory he's about 80 command 8183 [TS]

00:28:54   currently deployed and there is that the [TS]

00:28:57   climactic and really not very good scene [TS]

00:28:59   where there's a fake plane that that's [TS]

00:29:01   badly dubbed into the scene they they [TS]

00:29:05   remove a rom and replace it with [TS]

00:29:08   instructions burned onto an eeprom [TS]

00:29:10   programmable read-only memory and use [TS]

00:29:12   that to swap in which was surprisingly [TS]

00:29:14   accurate but yet yet this is what I was [TS]

00:29:16   gonna say I was gonna mention Apollo 13 [TS]

00:29:18   which i think is a great job of showing [TS]

00:29:19   real science in action which you know [TS]

00:29:21   and the computers and they end the the [TS]

00:29:24   resourcefulness of the scientists uh i [TS]

00:29:26   was going to it's not entirely a [TS]

00:29:28   computer movie but i wanted to throw out [TS]

00:29:30   some money ball which is a an Oscar [TS]

00:29:33   nominee which i think if you haven't [TS]

00:29:35   seen it even if you're not a baseball [TS]

00:29:36   fan I think you might like it because [TS]

00:29:37   that's a movie that's really about [TS]

00:29:39   people using numbers and using [TS]

00:29:42   techniques to understand things and in [TS]

00:29:45   meeting resistance from people who [TS]

00:29:47   haven't analyzed things that closely [TS]

00:29:49   they've got an old way of thinking and [TS]

00:29:51   it's very strange because it's a movie [TS]

00:29:52   about ideas and I'm not really surprised [TS]

00:29:54   it has gotten the reception it has and [TS]

00:29:56   that got nominated for best picture [TS]

00:29:57   because it's you know nothing happens in [TS]

00:30:01   it other than people change their minds [TS]

00:30:03   it's you know and their hearts and that [TS]

00:30:06   would know just their minds their hearts [TS]

00:30:08   are not involved at all and there's a [TS]

00:30:10   caption settings 10 minute but and the [TS]

00:30:13   other one would be contact the jury [TS]

00:30:15   foster sci-fi movie which is from Carl [TS]

00:30:17   Sagan's famous area and therefore his [TS]

00:30:19   rigorous and there are lots of really [TS]

00:30:21   nice bits in there about space even yes [TS]

00:30:23   they create a spaceship that opens a [TS]

00:30:25   dimensional portal but there's a lot of [TS]

00:30:26   time spent like in the search for [TS]

00:30:27   extraterrestrial intelligence where [TS]

00:30:29   they're searching for signals and [TS]

00:30:31   they've got a process the signals and [TS]

00:30:33   they've been doing it a long time and [TS]

00:30:35   then the truth of engineering where they [TS]

00:30:37   build a two of everything because why [TS]

00:30:39   build one when you can build two for [TS]

00:30:41   twice the price is the historical how to [TS]

00:30:43   get the sign-off from japan which is [TS]

00:30:45   totally realistic so yeah we'll to these [TS]

00:30:47   things and one gets old boiler one gets [TS]

00:30:49   blown up you are you see that coming [TS]

00:30:52   you forgot i didn't like 10 years ago [TS]

00:30:54   that dogs gonna die no one got the Old [TS]

00:30:58   Yeller dies in Old Yeller I'm sorry you [TS]

00:31:00   forgot you forgot a the movie hackers [TS]

00:31:02   now you because you didn't with a way to [TS]

00:31:05   Jewish you could forget the movie [TS]

00:31:07   hackers we all do with a not-so-good you [TS]

00:31:09   see that it's not it has a that's some [TS]

00:31:11   terrible terrible represent all right so [TS]

00:31:12   since since we're at macworld should we [TS]

00:31:14   talk a little bit about your favorite [TS]

00:31:16   portrayals of the mac or the iphone and [TS]

00:31:17   the ipad and in the in thing is your [TS]

00:31:20   client you want to savage something or [TS]

00:31:21   press apply and I have a very quick one [TS]

00:31:23   which is in the original Charlie's [TS]

00:31:25   Angels movie which way original [TS]

00:31:28   charlie's angels but you've confused me [TS]

00:31:30   how many are there three or four but it [TS]

00:31:32   was the TV show and then they made the [TS]

00:31:33   movies like The Drew Barrymore doing [TS]

00:31:35   anything another TV super boring and [TS]

00:31:37   that's what I'm talking about that [TS]

00:31:39   series and so in that way in that movie [TS]

00:31:40   where she plays a copy editor for that [TS]

00:31:42   magazine in chicago or that newspaper [TS]

00:31:44   Chicago copy editors do not have their [TS]

00:31:46   own offices with around secretaries I'm [TS]

00:31:48   sorry that's I think you're thinking [TS]

00:31:50   organizations are exactly that [TS]

00:31:52   journalists on this rental is alright [TS]

00:31:54   sorry so there's that scene in the movie [TS]

00:31:56   where is I don't know who is it is [TS]

00:31:58   strong down on wires and she flips over [TS]

00:32:01   and she's going to the main frame at the [TS]

00:32:02   Oracle like the larry ellison run evil [TS]

00:32:05   company it's very thinly veiled the [TS]

00:32:07   trailer else and i believe and she gets [TS]

00:32:09   in there and it's buttons and things [TS]

00:32:11   open up and just you and what comes out [TS]

00:32:14   i believe is a to CX motherboard which [TS]

00:32:17   she pulls some chip out of and then [TS]

00:32:19   closes back up that pretty sure I owned [TS]

00:32:22   a computer with that motherboard of it i [TS]

00:32:25   hope so since you recognize it on screen [TS]

00:32:27   and I actually a very recent movie I've [TS]

00:32:31   gotta give props and a little bit of [TS]

00:32:33   finger wagging to which is the latest [TS]

00:32:35   Mission Impossible movie which has a [TS]

00:32:37   vertical yes ghost protocol which has a [TS]

00:32:40   great i use of an ipad as a using an [TS]

00:32:43   ipad app and what mile or is it some [TS]

00:32:46   sort of reflective virtual reality [TS]

00:32:49   screen they put up and they basically [TS]

00:32:53   use the ipad to render out a you use the [TS]

00:32:56   iPad camera they position it and the [TS]

00:32:59   ipad camera sees whatever is behind them [TS]

00:33:01   and tries to render the hallway they put [TS]

00:33:04   up like a speak screen [TS]

00:33:05   I got like a slideshow screen type thing [TS]

00:33:07   like one of these and then they project [TS]

00:33:08   from behind a picture of the hallway as [TS]

00:33:11   it was when they were not there and then [TS]

00:33:13   they slowly like to push up the screen [TS]

00:33:15   and walk behind it and it uses the same [TS]

00:33:17   kind of 3d technology that they're [TS]

00:33:18   trying anything [TS]

00:33:19   ya know it's it's true but at that was [TS]

00:33:22   that was fun there are a couple of other [TS]

00:33:24   I very funny moments they try and break [TS]

00:33:26   into a mainframe it gets really really [TS]

00:33:28   hot and they acknowledge the fact that [TS]

00:33:30   all of these computers yeah probably [TS]

00:33:32   going to burn you alive if you touch [TS]

00:33:33   them because it's just all the steam you [TS]

00:33:35   shut down the fan probably not great [TS]

00:33:37   great idea and that they have of course [TS]

00:33:40   the the moment where it's you know it's [TS]

00:33:42   a Mission Impossible movie but not to [TS]

00:33:44   spoil it I i did like the ipad scene [TS]

00:33:47   they are i want to give a credit to it [TS]

00:33:50   was very interesting is years ago they [TS]

00:33:52   would show like people who want phones [TS]

00:33:54   they want you things they would have [TS]

00:33:55   liked fake you know like we talked about [TS]

00:33:58   the media West thing on the phone what's [TS]

00:33:59   funny is now all the phones are iphones [TS]

00:34:01   on any TV show where they need to use [TS]

00:34:02   something although i really enjoy the [TS]

00:34:04   few episodes i've seen of various things [TS]

00:34:06   where you can tell someone's like [TS]

00:34:08   holding it upside down it was more [TS]

00:34:09   apparent back with the original iphone [TS]

00:34:11   had the black bottom in the silver [TS]

00:34:12   casing but you definitely catch they [TS]

00:34:13   were trying to cover the logo right [TS]

00:34:15   because they often obscure the apple [TS]

00:34:16   logo and so he would hold the phone up [TS]

00:34:18   specific threat as a laugh everytime i [TS]

00:34:20   see that my favorite MAC usage in a TV [TS]

00:34:23   show i think is Veronica Mars the late [TS]

00:34:25   lamented show about a young woman who is [TS]

00:34:28   a private investigator because she's a [TS]

00:34:30   frequently used macs on that show and [TS]

00:34:31   they almost always use actual footage of [TS]

00:34:34   the OS doing things copying files [TS]

00:34:36   whatsoever so there's an episode of [TS]

00:34:38   Friends where Chandler is reading a copy [TS]

00:34:40   of mac or that's right there is one with [TS]

00:34:43   dark world he hits the title is the one [TS]

00:34:46   with one where Chandler is laying on the [TS]

00:34:47   couch reading macworld and it's the it's [TS]

00:34:50   the sea jobs returns to apple issue of [TS]

00:34:52   macworld and I remember it because that [TS]

00:34:54   was about two months before i started [TS]

00:34:55   working in Macworld i worked at the [TS]

00:34:57   competition and I remember being so [TS]

00:35:00   angry that macro was on an episode of [TS]

00:35:03   friends and now I look back and like and [TS]

00:35:04   that's cool backgrounds and friends but [TS]

00:35:07   my favorite mean my favorite MAC in the [TS]

00:35:09   media moment is definitely Scotty from [TS]

00:35:12   Star Trek for inventing uh inventing a [TS]

00:35:16   complicated molecular structure [TS]

00:35:18   transparent using using only the [TS]

00:35:20   original mac keyboard because that is [TS]

00:35:23   how you build complex molecular models [TS]

00:35:25   is by typing well before you try to use [TS]

00:35:27   Siri used VI mouse but but it does say [TS]

00:35:31   something about Syrian about speaking [TS]

00:35:33   two devices that Scotty's plan like they [TS]

00:35:36   do on the enterprise when they talk to [TS]

00:35:37   the computer as he picks up the original [TS]

00:35:38   mouse is a low computer and the computer [TS]

00:35:41   doesn't answer because it's an original [TS]

00:35:43   mac and I looking back that movie was [TS]

00:35:46   not that long after the original Matt [TS]

00:35:48   came out so it's it's early days it's [TS]

00:35:50   amazing they have the ability to build [TS]

00:35:51   transparent aluminum in mac paint was [TS]

00:35:56   gaudy is advanced he's from huge reward [TS]

00:35:58   how primitive i bet i was like he wrote [TS]

00:36:00   the code to do it and that was what he [TS]

00:36:02   was typing and then it just came out [TS]

00:36:04   because he was from the future i think [TS]

00:36:07   it's interesting issue about the [TS]

00:36:08   portrayal of technology and media that [TS]

00:36:10   actual technology can be extremely [TS]

00:36:12   tedious and so you have to spice it up [TS]

00:36:14   right so the NSA is a great thing in [TS]

00:36:17   three days of the Condor terrific [TS]

00:36:18   terrific robbery referee maybe it's [TS]

00:36:20   fantastic so many ways one of the things [TS]

00:36:22   that's most kind of terrifying [TS]

00:36:24   interesting about that movie and I think [TS]

00:36:26   it turned out to be true in interviewing [TS]

00:36:28   period is what is Robert Redford ooh [TS]

00:36:30   he's a CIA a semi covert analysts [TS]

00:36:33   examined you just read stuff all the [TS]

00:36:34   time that's what they do in the office [TS]

00:36:35   and they read and analyze the wrong [TS]

00:36:37   thing and that's what the NSA spends [TS]

00:36:39   most of its time doing the National [TS]

00:36:41   Reconnaissance Office and with the mic [TS]

00:36:42   still on [TS]

00:36:43   wait what's what and most of them aren't [TS]

00:36:45   doing it like it's just an office [TS]

00:36:47   building in the middle of New York City [TS]

00:36:48   that's right well it was a brownstone it [TS]

00:36:50   was hit but is most of the work done in [TS]

00:36:52   that space is to look at massive amounts [TS]

00:36:55   of information not individually pull out [TS]

00:36:58   patterns decipher its extremely it may [TS]

00:37:00   be very interesting in particular [TS]

00:37:01   especially if you're crippled up to [TS]

00:37:03   apologist but it's a cryptogram her but [TS]

00:37:04   it's a crypto biologists that's a whole [TS]

00:37:07   other story [TS]

00:37:07   cryptozoology took this long as Bigfoot [TS]

00:37:09   over the NRA but the but the orange [TS]

00:37:12   things like you know it's just [TS]

00:37:13   technology i went to Facebook's data [TS]

00:37:15   centers is the data center in Prineville [TS]

00:37:17   Oregon a few months ago which was [TS]

00:37:19   exciting and interesting and bizarre [TS]

00:37:20   because its row after over 10 equipment [TS]

00:37:23   there's nothing interesting there I [TS]

00:37:24   could see some kind of saw like [TS]

00:37:26   tomato mystery murder like a horror [TS]

00:37:29   movie set in a datacenter absolutely why [TS]

00:37:31   not but it's nothing you do you open up [TS]

00:37:32   like look at all these amazing glowing [TS]

00:37:34   lights like nothing spinning amazing SS [TS]

00:37:36   commandant always it's all the rack that [TS]

00:37:39   would be such a great climax to a movie [TS]

00:37:41   to have much like a a chase and shootout [TS]

00:37:43   people pulling like blade servers out [TS]

00:37:45   using them to play i could happen [TS]

00:37:47   eventually the Mission Impossible movie [TS]

00:37:49   they're gonna fight in the dataset [TS]

00:37:50   indignity and yet with people around the [TS]

00:37:52   globe the heroes would pull the thing [TS]

00:37:53   out and swing the computer to to hurt [TS]

00:37:55   someone and someone in peoria my [TS]

00:37:57   pictures just disappeared with mono huh [TS]

00:38:00   strong boxes down what's going to ready [TS]

00:38:02   to start looking into getting hit by the [TS]

00:38:04   cloud really hurts [TS]

00:38:07   you're gonna have to get points for that [TS]

00:38:09   lets people I i think i was shot [TS]

00:38:12   sometimes I think the best use of [TS]

00:38:14   technology in in fiction is [TS]

00:38:17   extrapolation of what we've got now and [TS]

00:38:19   what that means for the future and [TS]

00:38:21   that's what I love about science fiction [TS]

00:38:22   that's involved in in in technology i [TS]

00:38:25   just read a couple of books by charles [TS]

00:38:27   stross which are you know I have my [TS]

00:38:30   issues with them but they weren't the [TS]

00:38:31   most exciting books to read but what I [TS]

00:38:33   really liked about it is him trying to [TS]

00:38:34   extrapolate uh our current technology [TS]

00:38:37   out 20 years and say you know imagine if [TS]

00:38:40   the police have a enhance reality of you [TS]

00:38:42   with all of their policing data and yeah [TS]

00:38:46   there's more surveillance of people and [TS]

00:38:48   he's trying to project out what that [TS]

00:38:50   means and it means things like anything [TS]

00:38:52   you say the police is logged and can [TS]

00:38:54   always be retrieved later and you know [TS]

00:38:56   and how does that change the police and [TS]

00:38:58   how does that change how people interact [TS]

00:38:59   with the police and i love i love [TS]

00:39:01   looking at think it's obvious we got [TS]

00:39:03   this stuff now where are we going to be [TS]

00:39:05   in 10-15 years we left out one of the [TS]

00:39:07   best ones which is the one ever wants to [TS]

00:39:09   talk about which is minority report [TS]

00:39:10   right because we're all thinking about [TS]

00:39:11   minority report you'll have the future [TS]

00:39:13   you'll be able to gesture around and do [TS]

00:39:15   things in the air and arm [TS]

00:39:18   I mean that technology does now sort of [TS]

00:39:19   existing microsoft kinect do stuff [TS]

00:39:21   that's very much like that it's pretty [TS]

00:39:22   cool but I just made up the Arab make [TS]

00:39:25   sure and make sure what that's like if [TS]

00:39:26   you're just using your computer home and [TS]

00:39:28   I really need to put together my own [TS]

00:39:29   newsletter for my family so may get some [TS]

00:39:31   pictures alright text and email it up [TS]

00:39:34   and send it and it's cut two doctors [TS]

00:39:37   office dockets it on my back [TS]

00:39:39   killing it tore my rotator cuff ya how [TS]

00:39:41   did you do that i was sending an email [TS]

00:39:43   scrapbooking yeah okay Oh touchscreen [TS]

00:39:47   imax not a good idea how massive massive [TS]

00:39:51   gesture just your basic interfaces we [TS]

00:39:54   are almost out of time so before I know [TS]

00:39:57   you look surprised did it fly by [TS]

00:39:59   do you have more it's very like an evil [TS]

00:40:01   you have I I before we go i'm just [TS]

00:40:05   wondering if there's anything that we've [TS]

00:40:07   left out that we should talk about about [TS]

00:40:08   where technology built a big doctor who [TS]

00:40:10   plans on this stage and a time machine [TS]

00:40:12   technology has not yet been invented so [TS]

00:40:14   what's on your sort of hilarious that of [TS]

00:40:16   all the things eventually we don't like [TS]

00:40:17   with like everything in doctor who is [TS]

00:40:19   ridiculous i'm going to accept that [TS]

00:40:20   isn't that the trick is that it is once [TS]

00:40:23   you start to purport to be real and you [TS]

00:40:25   start putting the details it goes back [TS]

00:40:26   to authors wanting to show their work [TS]

00:40:28   and say hi does research about this and [TS]

00:40:30   now i will show it to you which one can [TS]

00:40:32   be really boring and too can be really [TS]

00:40:34   annoying if they get it wrong because [TS]

00:40:35   they need to get it wrong for plot [TS]

00:40:37   purposes and it's much better if they [TS]

00:40:39   just either say something like Doctor [TS]

00:40:41   Who which is completely ridiculous and [TS]

00:40:42   just like there's a guy with a time [TS]

00:40:44   machine it's bigger on the inside like [TS]

00:40:45   all right or it's like suffice to say [TS]

00:40:47   like what you said about ready player [TS]

00:40:49   one suffice it to say there's an online [TS]

00:40:50   world and it's a game and let me tell [TS]

00:40:53   you my story now and I'm not gonna [TS]

00:40:54   probably ready player one is that first [TS]

00:40:56   chapter really gets into details that I [TS]

00:40:58   really rather actually not know and just [TS]

00:41:00   have him say trust me it's a virtual [TS]

00:41:03   world and then there's a story I'm going [TS]

00:41:06   to tell you and thatthat's better it's [TS]

00:41:07   like once they get into the details then [TS]

00:41:09   there then then it's boring and they're [TS]

00:41:11   going to get them wrong with Willy [TS]

00:41:13   wobbly timey-wimey as we exactly the [TS]

00:41:15   grandeur the fantasy and the more [TS]

00:41:18   ridiculous the technology and the better [TS]

00:41:20   the story the more likely i am to [TS]

00:41:22   believe it if its present day [TS]

00:41:24   NCIS let's enhance the video it becomes [TS]

00:41:28   ooh far less sense yes no enhance more [TS]

00:41:31   intense again I'm if it's not if it's [TS]

00:41:33   set 3,000 years in the future and [TS]

00:41:35   they're on a spaceship and certain [TS]

00:41:37   things I'm willing to let certain things [TS]

00:41:38   go in the name of plot no yeah nothing [TS]

00:41:41   bothered me more than seeing Jack Bauer [TS]

00:41:42   with his palm treo that had like [TS]

00:41:44   instantaneous live video gps [TS]

00:41:47   collaboration with the people back at [TS]

00:41:49   the CTU they have released that model [TS]

00:41:51   it wouldn't have had to sell themselves [TS]

00:41:52   yeah the guys from honestly if palm [TS]

00:41:55   could do what they did on 24 [TS]

00:41:57   homewood on all of us now that's why [TS]

00:41:59   John Lewis very dating world is going on [TS]

00:42:01   the village street now he's gonna create [TS]

00:42:03   the CTU operating system for terror [TS]

00:42:05   counterterrorism exactly he's getting I [TS]

00:42:08   media for media TV that another well now [TS]

00:42:12   that now that a webos has been open [TS]

00:42:14   source all the other there's probably [TS]

00:42:16   like a guy out there who's like I am [TS]

00:42:17   your specialist in creating fake [TS]

00:42:19   interfaces for movies and TV and my last [TS]

00:42:22   meal somewhere it's true [TS]

00:42:24   yeah alright so we've done enough damage [TS]

00:42:26   to our selves and and macrolife stage [TS]

00:42:29   for Stephen Fry has been mentioned so I [TS]

00:42:31   think we're ok now has stephen fry ever [TS]

00:42:34   miss you see fries a good user of [TS]

00:42:36   technology seems like he's trying to [TS]

00:42:38   steal all the work by doing everything [TS]

00:42:40   and writing technology reviews also he's [TS]

00:42:42   so talented in so many other ways he [TS]

00:42:44   needs to leave our business alive I want [TS]

00:42:46   demarcation I'll tell you demarcation as [TS]

00:42:49   long as he doesn't become the voice of [TS]

00:42:50   wikipedia and therefore become the [TS]

00:42:52   actual hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy [TS]

00:42:53   i will be fine [TS]

00:42:55   yeah although he said it's funny if you [TS]

00:42:56   don't know stephen Fry's not only a huge [TS]

00:42:58   apple fan but he-he's gets invited to [TS]

00:43:00   apple events now so we were at the ipad [TS]

00:43:02   to launch writer was the original is an [TS]

00:43:04   original iPad and original iPad were all [TS]

00:43:07   their kind of blown away by the original [TS]

00:43:08   iPad we're getting a look at it because [TS]

00:43:09   it's not going to be out for a little [TS]

00:43:10   while and and stephen fry is there its [TS]

00:43:15   special ok it's what why are you here [TS]

00:43:18   it's what it's like and he's carrying on [TS]

00:43:20   from his friend Douglas Adams who was a [TS]

00:43:21   big mac fan ever and douglas adams one [TS]

00:43:23   of the great things about him was both [TS]

00:43:25   his willingness to write in technology [TS]

00:43:27   when it made sense about contemporary [TS]

00:43:29   stuff and make up all kinds of things [TS]

00:43:31   that weren't relevant didn't have to [TS]

00:43:32   show his work well with the checkers are [TS]

00:43:34   like that without you [TS]

00:43:35   the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy the [TS]

00:43:36   beauty of that is that you know that is [TS]

00:43:38   prefiguring wikipedia in many ways and [TS]

00:43:41   in the ipad and the idea had and it's [TS]

00:43:43   great and I and the one of the you know [TS]

00:43:46   terrible things about him having having [TS]

00:43:49   died so young is that God would love to [TS]

00:43:51   see douglas adams take on a lot of [TS]

00:43:54   modern technology especially something [TS]

00:43:55   like Wikipedia which I just know there [TS]

00:43:58   is some incredible humor for him to mind [TS]

00:44:00   from it that we know that we're never [TS]

00:44:02   going to see but we do have the checkers [TS]

00:44:03   guide [TS]

00:44:04   what we do know the [TS]

00:44:04   guns on AT&T so there is that and on [TS]

00:44:08   that note I think we will close up the [TS]

00:44:10   annual tradition of us sitting up here [TS]

00:44:13   and saying things randomly live in front [TS]

00:44:15   of an audience I would like to thank my [TS]

00:44:17   guests Dan Morgan thank you very much [TS]

00:44:19   for being here as always it's a pleasure [TS]

00:44:21   to be here as always just isn't always a [TS]

00:44:24   pleasure you just always here i'm always [TS]

00:44:25   here it's not always apply ok thank you [TS]

00:44:27   i want to clarify serenity call well [TS]

00:44:29   thank you very much for being here it's [TS]

00:44:31   always a pleasure to have you here [TS]

00:44:32   I love being here maybe not always on [TS]

00:44:35   this couch but I love being on this part [TS]

00:44:36   is i was gonna make you to stay here [TS]

00:44:38   overnight [TS]

00:44:39   I mean Ryan ok I'm afraid my chair home [TS]

00:44:41   yeah alright that's good i'm taking the [TS]

00:44:43   stage home and Glenn fleischmann thank [TS]

00:44:46   you for being here thank you very [TS]

00:44:47   pressing us with your presence please [TS]

00:44:49   insert twenty-five cents to continue a [TS]

00:44:50   thank you and thanks to everybody who [TS]

00:44:52   joined us screaming on the internet [TS]

00:44:54   everybody who's here and shameless plug [TS]

00:44:56   if you would like to hear slightly more [TS]

00:44:59   coherent versions of conversations like [TS]

00:45:01   this that are edited and not live in [TS]

00:45:03   front of an audience that go somewhere [TS]

00:45:04   he'll go somewhere else otherwise listen [TS]

00:45:06   to be uncomfortable which you can find [TS]

00:45:07   at the incomparable not calm until next [TS]

00:45:09   time I am Jason Snell if there is a next [TS]

00:45:12   time [TS]

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