0:00:03the incomparable podcast number 76
0:00:08January 2012
0:00:11we're back on the including a high-caste
0:00:14we are live at macworld expo on the
0:00:16incomparable podcast live and my guess
0:00:19as always it seems eternally are Glenn
0:00:23fleischmann hello Glenn hello
0:00:25I later another system this episode yes
0:00:28and almost every episode serenity
0:00:30Caldwell hello hello hello jason this is
0:00:33only my third thing on the stage today
0:00:36gee you're a slacker I know I just don't
0:00:39do enough and dan moore and who is on
0:00:41every podcast ever made
0:00:44I'm the man on every podcast so
0:00:45contractually I must be on this one
0:00:47yes thank you for making it and
0:00:49fulfilling your contract had to also I i
0:00:51think i was threatened to be fired if I
0:00:53was not so often when we're doing the
0:00:55incomparable we're talking about movie
0:00:56we did a bunch of episodes about we did
0:00:58a couple episodes about Star Wars The
0:01:00Empire Strikes Back we talk about rid of
0:01:01the lost ark we talk about superhero
0:01:03movies talk about books lots of
0:01:06different books you know thousand page
0:01:08fantasy and sci-fi novels we've talked
0:01:11about TV shows
0:01:12Doctor Who Sherlock star trac lots of
0:01:14stuff like that uh today we're going to
0:01:17go on a topic and because we're a
0:01:21technology event where the topic is
0:01:23going to be technology we're going to
0:01:24talk about stuff we love and I hope so
0:01:27please oh please stuff we hate in terms
0:01:31of how technology is portrayed in books
0:01:34movies and films because we know how
0:01:37technology really works its magic it's
0:01:40magic and then we watch it on the screen
0:01:42and it it doesn't work like that so i
0:01:45wanted to start by asking each of you if
0:01:48you have a particular example of
0:01:50terrible technology from a book movie TV
0:01:56show or any other form of entertainment
0:01:57that you've seen in your lives am as a
0:02:00media consumer I'm getting ready yeah
0:02:03are you prepared
0:02:05I mean more or less most less alright so
0:02:08as I got a spot as jeff goldblum up
0:02:10using a powerbook to upload a computer
0:02:12virus to an alien flying saucer and
0:02:15independence day which couldn't happen
0:02:16for about an infinite number of reasons
0:02:19yes it's like unless they happen to be
0:02:21from a parallel world where mac OS is
0:02:23the dominant
0:02:24operating system for flying saucer
0:02:26technology which seems unlikely i think
0:02:29it's possible but there were no max
0:02:30viruses really weren't there may be on
0:02:33the alien parallel planet their work
0:02:36anyway what do you think dan I I had
0:02:39kind of a more general one because it
0:02:40comes up in a lot of different books and
0:02:42receive it's a pea yeah it's a it's a
0:02:45complaint about about the way
0:02:46technologies Britain how many times have
0:02:48you seen somebody on a TV show or movie
0:02:50hack a password one character at a time
0:02:53and I am even in things that I like and
0:02:58it's sad when you're watching something
0:02:59that you really like and then they start
0:03:01doing that and you're like cheese
0:03:03because it's not how that's not how
0:03:05passwords work passwords are encrypted
0:03:07as a whole there's no way to guess one
0:03:10character of it and then confirm that
0:03:12character is correct and then move on to
0:03:13the next year i'm here to tell you it's
0:03:15actually possible
0:03:16actually I can have examples i'm just
0:03:19going to refute you because that's my
0:03:20nature but it's true there are ways if
0:03:22you know a little bit of the password
0:03:23you can get a little more a little more
0:03:24so I'm sorry didn't know one is that's
0:03:28bad that's beyond the scope of this mod
0:03:30cast that security features they know
0:03:33you write a they didn't that doesn't
0:03:34make any sense it's it's you know the
0:03:36password is encrypted as a whole you
0:03:37know if you don't you know a little bit
0:03:39of you can guess what's not in it you
0:03:41can derive it from Homeland Security
0:03:42wouldn't go left to right one digit at a
0:03:44time with the first two digits are one
0:03:46and eight only works if it's in
0:03:48typewriter font though that's typical
0:03:50bar
0:03:51well anything is anything with passwords
0:03:52right because I mean I do like
0:03:54occasionally i think my favorites are
0:03:55the ones where they're like all we need
0:03:57a password to break in this computer and
0:03:59then there's a like a post-it note like
0:04:01actually like that because that's reason
0:04:02that like I'm going out there to
0:04:04actually keep their passwords on a
0:04:05post-it note somewhere near their
0:04:06computer because i'm guessing a few a
0:04:09few anybody know what to make doing tell
0:04:11me I understand you can depend on your
0:04:12house and a liquid it's like you know
0:04:14will we can't figure the pastor we tried
0:04:16everything
0:04:17have you tried his wife's maiden name
0:04:20with no we never thought of that quick
0:04:22typing even when she's not going to
0:04:24behold the static and that somebody did
0:04:27hackers stole a password database and
0:04:29they posted it and all the security
0:04:31researchers did an analysis of that it
0:04:34to turn out unfortunately for all those
0:04:35spy movies that it isn't somebody
0:04:37is something clever like a date of a
0:04:40birthday or the name of your spouse it
0:04:42tends to be password one or password I
0:04:45mean I anyone friend of mine worked at a
0:04:46UH his parents had a small company and
0:04:48he did their computer maintenance insert
0:04:50a list of everybody's password like
0:04:52seventy percent of them were just
0:04:53password that they never changed it so i
0:04:56guess there is some accuracy to that but
0:04:58that's just said I don't know when I
0:05:00think of the one digit a time thing it
0:05:03just reminds me of a high-tech version
0:05:04of tumble walks where it's like all
0:05:06right I'm listening in and I'm oh I'm
0:05:08finding the first digit now let's try
0:05:10and see if we can find the second and
0:05:12then we find the third I just assumed
0:05:14that that's where it is looking anybody
0:05:16ever play that game I mastermind we have
0:05:18to get that what the other person
0:05:19actually right over and around a lot
0:05:21exactly yeah no you're right it is it
0:05:24somebody wrote a screenplay without with
0:05:25a combination lock in a safecracker and
0:05:27then somebody said nobody does that
0:05:28anymore make it a computer so red you
0:05:32have a great of a favorite use of
0:05:34technology i have a a couple overall
0:05:37grapes media OS as a friend of mine so
0:05:41lovingly calls it is my biggest gripe
0:05:43where they just you know it's it's some
0:05:46people hacking into a system or going
0:05:49into a high-tech security interface and
0:05:52they pull this up and it's no computer
0:05:54system ever known to man
0:05:56it's like oh that's all of them yes it's
0:05:59all of the mashed together it's not it's
0:06:01not linux it's not Mac it's not windows
0:06:03it's always man without linux all went
0:06:05down the exes in the corners of the
0:06:07boxes and it's just been going to school
0:06:10yeah exactly it's an OS that doesn't
0:06:12quite exist in any universe and yet it
0:06:14is the prevailing OS everywhere I know
0:06:16the myth the big feature of the two
0:06:18computers used on TV as they still
0:06:19somewhere in those computers theres a
0:06:21floppy disk going tick-tick-tick
0:06:23tick-tick-tick as everything happens
0:06:25where what is that
0:06:26have you ever seen the 1i think there's
0:06:28there's a couple where they use that
0:06:29sort of generic media OS software and
0:06:32it's actually just a it's a it's a
0:06:34QuickTime movie like what they had to do
0:06:36is actually they've recorded like a
0:06:37screencast of their interface and so
0:06:40they're doing things and it doesn't line
0:06:41up with what's happening on the screen
0:06:43and then once I think I saw one show
0:06:45once where they like you can see the
0:06:46window like roam around the window your
0:06:48little bit
0:06:49that's android was a cheap shot but all
0:06:52that's good you're playing yourself out
0:06:54here when I was a kid I got a computer
0:06:56magazine that had those computer
0:06:57programs you could type in and and use
0:07:00yourself and one of them was from the TV
0:07:02show with kids which was on I am dating
0:07:04myself I realized I which was it was
0:07:07like the war games or games was a hit
0:07:09movie and people said let's do that as a
0:07:11TV show and it was it didn't last very
0:07:13long will get the guy from Barney Miller
0:07:15to be in it but they had this program
0:07:17and basically for every key you randomly
0:07:20matched on the computer it would put up
0:07:22a letter that actually would spell
0:07:23something so that the actors didn't have
0:07:26to have to type things they could just
0:07:27hit the keys like doodoo and it would
0:07:30actually type what they're supposed to
0:07:31type on the screen because actors cannot
0:07:33be trained to type the words themselves
0:07:35strangely dogs dogs can dogs are really
0:07:38intentionally monkeys and a damned by
0:07:40mentioning the quicktime movie you left
0:07:41out the most famous use of a QuickTime
0:07:43movie in film history which is the
0:07:47conversation that way night Newman from
0:07:49Seinfeld has in Jurassic Park before
0:07:52everybody gets eaten by dinosaurs and I
0:07:55don't know people notice this but if you
0:07:57look this video conference that's
0:07:59happening is has a progress bar that's
0:08:02slowly going from one end to the other
0:08:05because it's not a video conference it's
0:08:08a QuickTime movie in the quicktime
0:08:10player and when and ended the call is
0:08:12over when the progress for either it's
0:08:14really good timing it's like sorry my
0:08:16class to be over my progress bars reach
0:08:18the end by traffic park is particularly
0:08:20egregious right because it's got that
0:08:21famous scene where the little kids you
0:08:23know the young woman looks at the
0:08:25computers i know this this is this is
0:08:27unix those visualizers SGI UNIX file
0:08:30system fly through visualizer they're
0:08:33presenting as if it were unix well I
0:08:35know whatever i'm programming and using
0:08:37unix you know using the terminal i like
0:08:38to put on 3d glasses to get the full
0:08:40experience the comparator terminal is
0:08:42really best appreciated three men
0:08:44wearing mine all the time when Patrick
0:08:46taught us that really you know I I was
0:08:48just thinking that that is one thing
0:08:49that really irks me and hurt me the
0:08:51first time that I saw the matrix is when
0:08:53they're looking at the code is like oh I
0:08:55can read that that means you're running
0:08:57down the street
0:08:58alright if we're in high
0:08:59techno post-apocalyptic society really
0:09:02no one decided that it would be good to
0:09:04go back to a graphical user interface
0:09:06you can't just program that into a look
0:09:08hey jpg the machines don't want us to
0:09:10see things graphically what to flip side
0:09:13the matrix the second Matrix movie which
0:09:15is mostly abysmal and always actually
0:09:17has a scene very early on where the
0:09:20character Trinity uses like goes and
0:09:22breaks into a computer room and starts
0:09:24ssa changing into another server and is
0:09:27actually it is actually totally correct
0:09:29which is I think they got yelled at
0:09:31enough that first movie they're like
0:09:32always better remember appease the Nerds
0:09:34a cleansing is actually energies you
0:09:37you're cranky guy I imagine you've got a
0:09:39few grievances him off the cranky i know
0:09:41but I'll give a category in some
0:09:43examples which is it's the science
0:09:45fiction novel particularly that provides
0:09:48too much scientific explanation that is
0:09:50unnecessary is sometimes wrong or you
0:09:53just don't care they're working so hard
0:09:54out spin is a good example by robert
0:09:58charles wilson right which is enjoyable
0:10:00in parts but it gets fired more the
0:10:03novel starts at so much stronger to stop
0:10:05people as it goes on feels compelled to
0:10:07bring in all this biology and Technology
0:10:10and the guys turning into a crystal
0:10:11spoiler someone turns into a crystal and
0:10:14all these other things against you know
0:10:16you're really defeating your plot here
0:10:17you just you you overwhelmed the plot
0:10:21and the human-interest with details to
0:10:23try to make logical plausible physics
0:10:25about things that don't exist just being
0:10:27go on and on but the counter example
0:10:30there is a novel like the sparrow by
0:10:32again a ternary Doria wrestle he's got
0:10:35all the names and I've sack of grain
0:10:36thank you very much and uh her novel is
0:10:39beautiful and the sparrow by the way i
0:10:41think is one of the most beautiful
0:10:42science-fiction novels written and she
0:10:44doesn't care very much about the science
0:10:47she is just enough to make it something
0:10:49you don't care about so they do
0:10:51interstellar travel and there's alien
0:10:52species but it's all about the heart and
0:10:55about the characterization is not always
0:10:56a fatal flies you you you have a writer
0:10:59who wants to show their work and
0:11:01sometimes the work just needs to be
0:11:02there to inform what they write and
0:11:04instead like no no I did lots of
0:11:05research about computers
0:11:07I'm putting the computers i want to tell
0:11:09you
0:11:10you think I know or biology or whatever
0:11:12and it was to Charles Sheffield of the
0:11:14c-style sheffield wrote some terrific
0:11:16science fiction some not-so-good science
0:11:17fiction but he is big proponent of space
0:11:20elevators and when he was about space
0:11:21elevators that was right you could build
0:11:23it from the story and that's fine
0:11:25because that was his thing and I believe
0:11:27it but if you can't do that you don't
0:11:29need to try that I had that problem with
0:11:30the vernor vinge II was a fire upon the
0:11:34deep is that the first one
0:11:35yeah and and the there's a big section
0:11:38in the beginning was talking about the
0:11:40like sentient computer that comes online
0:11:42and like it starts like ruining this
0:11:44human colony but he started out from
0:11:46like you know like so the transistors
0:11:48are firing and then it turns into one's
0:11:49it's like all the way up and you're like
0:11:51no no no I don't care
0:11:53electrical engineering 101 Thank You
0:11:55rates for me and books I mean that the
0:11:58the best thing about a novel is that you
0:12:00get to sort of picture how it looks in
0:12:02your own head and you get to connect
0:12:04everything yourself and when they
0:12:05overwhelm you with technical with
0:12:07technological doodads and doohickeys and
0:12:09yes all of this works and this is how it
0:12:12works
0:12:12you're like I've been now you're
0:12:14clouding up my picture and no I I
0:12:16thought it looked that way
0:12:17might I really i mean ender's game is a
0:12:19is a shaky book for a number of reasons
0:12:22my line out I didn't know I thing for a
0:12:26number of not non-book reasons as a
0:12:28novel i love the novel but a lot of
0:12:30people have different opinions for
0:12:32various reasons your honor we offer from
0:12:34water on her hesitation but the thing I
0:12:37love about ender's game is when they
0:12:39describe Battle School and they
0:12:41described in in the novel for those of
0:12:43you who haven't read it basically goes
0:12:45to a battle school with thousands of
0:12:47other youngsters and they're playing
0:12:49basically laser tagging space i think is
0:12:52the best the best way to put it with
0:12:53obstacles and the awesome school ever
0:12:56like it is the awesome school ever
0:12:58applied there was not accepted
0:13:00sadly I but in this in this battle you
0:13:04know in this battle arena the the idea
0:13:06is basically it's like a 360 degree
0:13:08thing and it's 0 g but the only thing
0:13:10they really ever to view description
0:13:12wise is the enemy's gate is down and
0:13:15from there you can picture it any way
0:13:17you want it if they had gone into
0:13:20details yes 0g require
0:13:23is that you spend this way and that like
0:13:25that would just ruin it for this game
0:13:26also works great that they all have
0:13:27iPads if you remember before the ipad
0:13:30was invented they'll have these little
0:13:31tablets and they're playing like
0:13:32essentially what is some kind of like
0:13:34it's almost like i missed like game on
0:13:37their iPad that there's like the giant
0:13:38and like they have to there's a puzzle
0:13:40it's kind of a puzzle game 0 singles
0:13:42coming out with that soon
0:13:43you're amazing twisty passages all alike
0:13:45indeed except I with actions going we've
0:13:47invented games with pictures now
0:13:49yes it's not the matrix so ready player
0:13:52one actually which is on many many times
0:13:54I know I touched the third rail here
0:13:55it's on many many ten best list of the
0:13:58best sci-fi novels of last year which is
0:14:00funny because I you can say ever and i
0:14:02thought you know lots of us didn't like
0:14:04it but I think one of the one of the
0:14:05criticisms we have of it is that is that
0:14:07he tries in great detail to depict a
0:14:10video game world that's not unlike i'm
0:14:13super advanced world of warcraft kind of
0:14:14thing where everybody lives in or or
0:14:16snow crash kind of metaphors right
0:14:18virtual reality world and and yet
0:14:21um he seems to get the details of
0:14:24massively multiplayer online games it's
0:14:26like totally wrong it's got no latency
0:14:28and it's all like like what like what
0:14:30like terabit connection and it takes you
0:14:32a year to go up a level with you tell
0:14:34people will totally keep playing if they
0:14:36never level WC that I was having a drink
0:14:38with the phone works at second life who
0:14:40actually like the novel yesterday
0:14:43because even though it's full he knows
0:14:45exactly how second life works he works
0:14:47there is a massively you know they have
0:14:48all these billions of servers and
0:14:50whatever he's like I didn't bother me
0:14:52really that's the part that I worse
0:14:54because it was the end of the plot had
0:14:56issues and characterization whatever but
0:14:58it was the technical implausibility that
0:15:00seemed most egregious because he works
0:15:01so hard at it i don't know i mean for me
0:15:03I didn't I thought the book was ok I
0:15:06wasn't a huge fan of it but i actually
0:15:08had no problem with that it was just it
0:15:10was one of those one of those things
0:15:11where they painted the world and they
0:15:13said alright this is a you know semi
0:15:15post-apocalyptic society here are the
0:15:18terrible things that happened but hey
0:15:20there are millions of data farms in the
0:15:22center and this is how this you know i'm
0:15:24gonna give you just enough again just
0:15:25enough information that you can paint a
0:15:26picture in your head I'm like you know
0:15:28what
0:15:28it's a fantasy book I'm not pretending
0:15:30its present a united states i mean i'm
0:15:32gonna believe that there's a magical
0:15:33future in which everybody has 0
0:15:35see because i don't care because it's
0:15:36serving the story but contrast that with
0:15:38with neal stephenson's remedy which is
0:15:41also about massively multiplayer and he
0:15:43doesn't
0:15:44not only does he go into the details but
0:15:46Stephenson in general a he really
0:15:48understands technology and you know that
0:15:49if you read his books because it all
0:15:51works it makes sense but that was a
0:15:52great example of something that was not
0:15:54only it all worked but it was it was
0:15:55kind of fascinating the way he presented
0:15:57it he's got a great way of going off
0:15:59into these technical digressions that is
0:16:01is really interesting is tangential ya
0:16:04know that the game terrain in rear D by
0:16:07Neal Stephenson is a much more realistic
0:16:09world uh a realistic video game
0:16:13what's strange about that novel courses
0:16:14that 500 pages in he gets bored with
0:16:16that and decided that there may be more
0:16:18gamma way instead of thinking about his
0:16:21other sorry lost track of what he was
0:16:22waiting he had started different novel
0:16:24the middle but it's also good novel the
0:16:25second yeah no I mean but Randy and
0:16:28ready player one serv err two very
0:16:29different focuses whereas terrain and
0:16:31Randy is very much
0:16:33it's about the game it's not necessarily
0:16:34about playing the game but they're
0:16:36spending time talking about the
0:16:37background of the game and the game is
0:16:39the issue here whereas ready player one
0:16:41it's all about what they're doing in the
0:16:42game and all about the puzzles in the
0:16:44game so the game came out movies from
0:16:46the 1980s really that's the important
0:16:48thing now it's true and movies from the
0:16:49nineteen eighties make us all happy as
0:16:51learn from us and they yes they do they
0:16:53make me happy i don't know about you
0:16:55people but you're weird island and now
0:16:57it's time for special guest john
0:16:58Syracuse and hold fast really do onstage
0:17:01mines real genius is an excellent movie
0:17:03and you have to have a cold black heart
0:17:05to just like it anywhere on the DVD case
0:17:07John circus attempted yeah uh I wanted
0:17:11to mention that we talked about lots of
0:17:12nerdy things because this is what this
0:17:15is for but I wanted to bring up a novel
0:17:18from a popular culture that just bit
0:17:22massive best-selling novel of the last
0:17:23few years which is the girl with the
0:17:25dragon tattoo which I think lots of
0:17:28people have lots of people have read it
0:17:30and I find it fascinating because of two
0:17:33things one there is a super naturally
0:17:36brilliant computer hacker Elizabeth
0:17:39Salander who can put some software on
0:17:42your computer that lets her see your
0:17:45computer and its entire hard drive
0:17:46contents over the Internet
0:17:48anywhere and she has a complete copy of
0:17:50everything you've got at all times
0:17:52it's like the she should not be a
0:17:55computer hacker for hire
0:17:56she invented like instantaneous time
0:17:58machine she should be a billionaire
0:18:00crashplan is demonstrating that software
0:18:02later today i think it's it's having the
0:18:04proper problem the possibility that was
0:18:06a thing when i read that that part
0:18:07particularly got me because there are
0:18:09many he asked somebody talk to people
0:18:11about this clearly because they're
0:18:13aspects of it that are just right and
0:18:15then there are aspects of it that are
0:18:16completely ridiculous easy capable of
0:18:19figuring out which was which
0:18:20well and again the problem with steve
0:18:24larson in that book is that he goes into
0:18:26such specific detail and the the one
0:18:29that always sticks out in my memory is I
0:18:31think it's from the first book where
0:18:33she's like yes Elizabeth unpacked her 3g
0:18:36or her ibook g3 is 233 megahertz of
0:18:41round and I number to complain about the
0:18:43girl with the dragon tattoo which any
0:18:44mac user who is what who has read that
0:18:46book has to laugh and laugh at it he
0:18:49that guy was such a gigantic nerd it is
0:18:53it is so apparent it's hilarious because
0:18:55he wanted to detail to the to the amount
0:18:59of hard drive space and ram installed in
0:19:01all the mac laptops that are used by all
0:19:04the characters in that book and he does
0:19:06if you haven't read it it's amazing and
0:19:08as an editor I sit there and think why
0:19:10is this here but i love it that that
0:19:12that the author was so obsessed with the
0:19:15mac that he wanted to put in the specs
0:19:18of every characters laptop carried over
0:19:20here but to the movie tour the recent
0:19:22American movie anyways they there they
0:19:24use macs and that and in fact i think
0:19:25they use iphoto for a particular scene
0:19:28where they're like he's cataloging
0:19:30images from this parade in the nineteen
0:19:32fifties and discover something within
0:19:34the images they actually used I think
0:19:35all that was like real in the movie like
0:19:38they used all the correct features now
0:19:39but how many megahertz was the was only
0:19:42running and I for Megan's you know its
0:19:44masters what was like you look at a
0:19:45movie like Blade Runner and I don't
0:19:47think played forever irritates us about
0:19:49it
0:19:50I mean you know advanced zoom in
0:19:52quadrant four be zoo
0:19:54zoom zoom ok keep zooming down to the
0:19:57molecular structures areas you know that
0:20:00every minute hand students will give ya
0:20:02that means never bothers me in the
0:20:04structure of great storytelling
0:20:05fascinating movie the intensity like
0:20:08bothers me is tiny tiny bit because this
0:20:10the the the way what bother you a lot
0:20:13know I was going to say that the problem
0:20:14with blade runner is that replicates are
0:20:16totally not like that
0:20:18what's like what flying cover and tell
0:20:23me about your mother's a glowing of
0:20:24thing about him now and now we're going
0:20:26to administer the voigt-kampff test the
0:20:28gland right now onstage so let's simply
0:20:31with you you're reminded me of a scene
0:20:33in a movie which is my favorite
0:20:34technological craziness ever which is
0:20:37the movie I don't have anybody ever saw
0:20:38the movie enemy of the state will Smith
0:20:40and gene hackman it's it's sort of a
0:20:43unofficial gene hackman sort of plays a
0:20:45continuation of his character from the
0:20:47conversation a great friends for couple
0:20:49of them from the seventies but there's a
0:20:51scene where these NSA agents are
0:20:54tracking will smith and they think he's
0:20:56a spy or something and so the two of the
0:20:59two techniques are talking in the van
0:21:00and they're saying oh we got this camera
0:21:02view on on him but he's carrying a bag
0:21:05we want to know what these what's in the
0:21:06bag but we can't tell because he's in
0:21:08between us and the bet you know using
0:21:10between the camera and the bag
0:21:11this is what we can all right we'll
0:21:12rotate the rotate the image on along at
0:21:15on a 180-degree access to turn around
0:21:17and so the other guy goes it can do that
0:21:20and the first guy says it can
0:21:22hypothesize which from years my friends
0:21:26and I pretty good throw it can
0:21:28hypothesize it's so you can imagine what
0:21:30might be in the band the other side of a
0:21:32bag from an image it cannot get but it's
0:21:35also the shower part is that MIT later
0:21:37some guys did research of technology
0:21:39that's very much like this that was a
0:21:40good like extrapolate what was on a
0:21:42plane card on the other side of playing
0:21:44card it blew my mind I was like oh my
0:21:45god that's real there is technology that
0:21:47can do like they look at the reflections
0:21:49elsewhere and they can kind of back
0:21:50scatter the light and figure out what
0:21:53was what what I think this is like
0:21:54looking through the card and figure out
0:21:56like the razor equals crazy it is it is
0:21:58great so so okay we've spent the last 20
0:22:01minutes griping about bad there's a lot
0:22:03of that technology stuff i mean being a
0:22:05natural expo I would be remiss if I
0:22:07didn't mention the
0:22:08find Sandra Bullock vehicle the net most
0:22:12notable perhaps for Dennis Miller
0:22:15playing an intrepid computer hacker who
0:22:17is who
0:22:19who is horribly killed halfway through
0:22:20spoiler alert sorry don't get attached
0:22:23to Dennis Miller in the net if you
0:22:24haven't seen it and we can actually do
0:22:26Miller here don't worry but but all the
0:22:29crowd seems in the tech trade show in
0:22:31the net are shot at macworld expo I just
0:22:34trivia
0:22:35there you go it is macworld expo as it
0:22:38was seen in the nineties is Philip
0:22:39Michaels in that though that's the
0:22:40important no no what is it honey ball I
0:22:43believe if the processor goes BB below a
0:22:45hundred megahertz than the bus exploded
0:22:47about bus exploded i was the plot of the
0:22:49net
0:22:49anyway so positive portrayals you have
0:22:53any examples of you know what does it
0:22:56right every we cover technology for a
0:22:58living and we also read you know and and
0:23:00watch movies watch TV
0:23:02what are the things that you see that
0:23:03you think you know that's pretty good
0:23:06they did a pretty dated a fair job with
0:23:07that might look go ahead whenever she
0:23:12ate you
0:23:13I appreciate that and and then will
0:23:15appreciate this references where you can
0:23:16take mine i will i will attract
0:23:19hopefully I won't write my my my one was
0:23:22to saying that I appreciate that it
0:23:24takes Han Solo a couple minutes to
0:23:26calculate a path through hyperspace that
0:23:29it's not just button hyperspace like no
0:23:32I don't calculate the precise
0:23:34coordinates and education and you know
0:23:36all that we could you know why did a
0:23:38black hole right through hyperspace
0:23:40ain't like Dustin crops boy
0:23:42oh yeah I was gonna say and this is a
0:23:45another particular relation to where we
0:23:48are defined san francisco-based tech
0:23:50movie sneakers are just my career movies
0:23:53of all time with sneakers and a small
0:23:54details aren't always there but i love
0:23:57the plot which basically involves a
0:23:59codebreaker that can break any code
0:24:01because there is a certain amount of
0:24:03mathematical they have a scene where a
0:24:06very very skinny and young Don alok was
0:24:09a mathematician explains that this
0:24:11theory is based on the fact that all
0:24:14encryption is essentially based on hard
0:24:16mathematical problems where it's really
0:24:18easy to multiply two incredibly large
0:24:20numbers together
0:24:21but it's really hard to then take that
0:24:22really large number and figure out what
0:24:24the original two numbers multiplied work
0:24:25now basically saying in the movie the
0:24:28ideas he comes up with an algorithm that
0:24:30makes it really easy to find out and
0:24:32then it turns it into a computer chip
0:24:33and it gets used to decrypt pretty much
0:24:35any system which is great i love it
0:24:37because it's kind of it's it's not
0:24:39exactly like a high-stakes thing but it
0:24:42is at the same time because it's just a
0:24:43computer chip but it has all these
0:24:46implications the implications that are
0:24:47interesting and so there are a couple
0:24:49great scenes where they use it to like
0:24:51the code information there's also my
0:24:53favorite scene ever which is involves
0:24:54Robert Redford you know trying to break
0:24:57into their office and he looks like this
0:24:58are the same i remember how to a to
0:25:00break a beating electronic keypad lock
0:25:02he listens for a minute uh-huh uh-huh
0:25:05uh-huh
0:25:07all right i'll give it a try and it
0:25:08kicks the door in here that worked like
0:25:11that for me that was one of my favorite
0:25:12moments and technology / Robert Redford
0:25:15foot kick the door in
0:25:17hey sometimes the brute force approach
0:25:18works so yes mine so I was a big fan of
0:25:23defying gravity a short-lived TV series
0:25:25of american canadian co-production that
0:25:29because i thought it was beautifully
0:25:30shot so expensively I think they
0:25:32couldn't continue to make this therapies
0:25:34in light of the even though joint
0:25:36production but what they did is they
0:25:38took a world that was slightly in the
0:25:40future not ridiculously far i think it
0:25:42was only living less than a hundred
0:25:43years the technology was beautifully
0:25:45plotted ahead so they're going on a
0:25:48grand voyage among all the planets it
0:25:50turned out to be a non sinister benign
0:25:52plots that was hidden from everyone to
0:25:54spend a trillion dollars to do this
0:25:56grand mission and learn and so forth and
0:25:58it gets a little involved as to why but
0:26:00all the technology involved was only a
0:26:02mild extrapolation but it was beautiful
0:26:04so this ship they made they had
0:26:06extensive hydroponics and and so forth
0:26:08and they figured out very carefully
0:26:09there will be some real problems if they
0:26:11didn't get this balance just right one
0:26:14episode this pit where they think the
0:26:15right at the Forgotten a tipping point
0:26:17is a term for it overlooked range
0:26:19whatever there's a term for where they
0:26:20reached where after that point they do
0:26:22not have enough you'll return without
0:26:24reaching the next planet where they're
0:26:25able to harvest fuel or what have you
0:26:27and the have a water filtration problem
0:26:30and it's not presented on
0:26:31it's a plumbing issue is presented as a
0:26:33serious thing it's actually crux of a
0:26:34plot element and it's exactly what would
0:26:37happen on that kind of mission is what
0:26:38we see nuns on some missions in orbit or
0:26:41to space shuttles that have occurred and
0:26:43what they presented in a matter-of-fact
0:26:45way that you been accepted so much you
0:26:48willing to take so much you can focus on
0:26:50the story and deal with some of the more
0:26:52mystical elements that were off to the
0:26:53side that's good
0:26:56it was cancelled like most are thanks
0:26:59backline I fallen short
0:27:02I have a liked it was cancelled i have a
0:27:04bunch of movies that I think do science
0:27:06right i mean the maybe the most obvious
0:27:08of them is really science fiction so
0:27:10much but we were talking about your
0:27:12genius upon and no real Jesus those
0:27:14lasers are real man they weren't really
0:27:17used in real genius they use the real
0:27:19key programmer alright okay i didn't
0:27:21like it out what you're gonna tell us a
0:27:23little bit about real you you're gonna
0:27:24make me without real you know real
0:27:26genius does actually not do a bad job of
0:27:28showing science in action and that it
0:27:30isn't like they just kind of like
0:27:31scribble some things up and flip the
0:27:33switch and it works there's like they're
0:27:34doing laser research and they're
0:27:36frustrated there at Pacific tech which
0:27:38is just a disguise Caltech and it goes
0:27:41through that they go through a lot of
0:27:42frustration and there's a a great moment
0:27:44of the Eureka moment where val kilmer is
0:27:48really upset that his laser is exploded
0:27:50because the nefarious races wearing Kent
0:27:54has put smudge the lens and it causes a
0:27:56conflagration in the laser lab and he
0:27:58goes out into his dorm a kitchenette and
0:28:01kicks the kicks the refrigerator open
0:28:04because he's just kicking everything and
0:28:06the liquid nitrogen comes out and he
0:28:08realizes that he could use liquid
0:28:10nitrogen to freeze the material that is
0:28:13using to make the laser in it and it's
0:28:15and then he runs to the lab and you seem
0:28:17kind of working it out and and it is
0:28:19kind of a neat moment to show that
0:28:21science takes hard work and it also
0:28:23takes sleeps and this is a movie that is
0:28:25not afraid
0:28:26multiple times to show montages set to
0:28:30music it was the eighties where people
0:28:32are studying or they're learning how to
0:28:34fire lasers or he's training in the
0:28:37slaughterhouse right with that
0:28:39that's real genius right II that the
0:28:42only runs up the stairs you may be
0:28:43thinking over there
0:28:44and let me also say less science
0:28:47accurate use of the haze command 80
0:28:49man's memory he's about 80 command 8183
0:28:54currently deployed and there is that the
0:28:57climactic and really not very good scene
0:28:59where there's a fake plane that that's
0:29:01badly dubbed into the scene they they
0:29:05remove a rom and replace it with
0:29:08instructions burned onto an eeprom
0:29:10programmable read-only memory and use
0:29:12that to swap in which was surprisingly
0:29:14accurate but yet yet this is what I was
0:29:16gonna say I was gonna mention Apollo 13
0:29:18which i think is a great job of showing
0:29:19real science in action which you know
0:29:21and the computers and they end the the
0:29:24resourcefulness of the scientists uh i
0:29:26was going to it's not entirely a
0:29:28computer movie but i wanted to throw out
0:29:30some money ball which is a an Oscar
0:29:33nominee which i think if you haven't
0:29:35seen it even if you're not a baseball
0:29:36fan I think you might like it because
0:29:37that's a movie that's really about
0:29:39people using numbers and using
0:29:42techniques to understand things and in
0:29:45meeting resistance from people who
0:29:47haven't analyzed things that closely
0:29:49they've got an old way of thinking and
0:29:51it's very strange because it's a movie
0:29:52about ideas and I'm not really surprised
0:29:54it has gotten the reception it has and
0:29:56that got nominated for best picture
0:29:57because it's you know nothing happens in
0:30:01it other than people change their minds
0:30:03it's you know and their hearts and that
0:30:06would know just their minds their hearts
0:30:08are not involved at all and there's a
0:30:10caption settings 10 minute but and the
0:30:13other one would be contact the jury
0:30:15foster sci-fi movie which is from Carl
0:30:17Sagan's famous area and therefore his
0:30:19rigorous and there are lots of really
0:30:21nice bits in there about space even yes
0:30:23they create a spaceship that opens a
0:30:25dimensional portal but there's a lot of
0:30:26time spent like in the search for
0:30:27extraterrestrial intelligence where
0:30:29they're searching for signals and
0:30:31they've got a process the signals and
0:30:33they've been doing it a long time and
0:30:35then the truth of engineering where they
0:30:37build a two of everything because why
0:30:39build one when you can build two for
0:30:41twice the price is the historical how to
0:30:43get the sign-off from japan which is
0:30:45totally realistic so yeah we'll to these
0:30:47things and one gets old boiler one gets
0:30:49blown up you are you see that coming
0:30:52you forgot i didn't like 10 years ago
0:30:54that dogs gonna die no one got the Old
0:30:58Yeller dies in Old Yeller I'm sorry you
0:31:00forgot you forgot a the movie hackers
0:31:02now you because you didn't with a way to
0:31:05Jewish you could forget the movie
0:31:07hackers we all do with a not-so-good you
0:31:09see that it's not it has a that's some
0:31:11terrible terrible represent all right so
0:31:12since since we're at macworld should we
0:31:14talk a little bit about your favorite
0:31:16portrayals of the mac or the iphone and
0:31:17the ipad and in the in thing is your
0:31:20client you want to savage something or
0:31:21press apply and I have a very quick one
0:31:23which is in the original Charlie's
0:31:25Angels movie which way original
0:31:28charlie's angels but you've confused me
0:31:30how many are there three or four but it
0:31:32was the TV show and then they made the
0:31:33movies like The Drew Barrymore doing
0:31:35anything another TV super boring and
0:31:37that's what I'm talking about that
0:31:39series and so in that way in that movie
0:31:40where she plays a copy editor for that
0:31:42magazine in chicago or that newspaper
0:31:44Chicago copy editors do not have their
0:31:46own offices with around secretaries I'm
0:31:48sorry that's I think you're thinking
0:31:50organizations are exactly that
0:31:52journalists on this rental is alright
0:31:54sorry so there's that scene in the movie
0:31:56where is I don't know who is it is
0:31:58strong down on wires and she flips over
0:32:01and she's going to the main frame at the
0:32:02Oracle like the larry ellison run evil
0:32:05company it's very thinly veiled the
0:32:07trailer else and i believe and she gets
0:32:09in there and it's buttons and things
0:32:11open up and just you and what comes out
0:32:14i believe is a to CX motherboard which
0:32:17she pulls some chip out of and then
0:32:19closes back up that pretty sure I owned
0:32:22a computer with that motherboard of it i
0:32:25hope so since you recognize it on screen
0:32:27and I actually a very recent movie I've
0:32:31gotta give props and a little bit of
0:32:33finger wagging to which is the latest
0:32:35Mission Impossible movie which has a
0:32:37vertical yes ghost protocol which has a
0:32:40great i use of an ipad as a using an
0:32:43ipad app and what mile or is it some
0:32:46sort of reflective virtual reality
0:32:49screen they put up and they basically
0:32:53use the ipad to render out a you use the
0:32:56iPad camera they position it and the
0:32:59ipad camera sees whatever is behind them
0:33:01and tries to render the hallway they put
0:33:04up like a speak screen
0:33:05I got like a slideshow screen type thing
0:33:07like one of these and then they project
0:33:08from behind a picture of the hallway as
0:33:11it was when they were not there and then
0:33:13they slowly like to push up the screen
0:33:15and walk behind it and it uses the same
0:33:17kind of 3d technology that they're
0:33:18trying anything
0:33:19ya know it's it's true but at that was
0:33:22that was fun there are a couple of other
0:33:24I very funny moments they try and break
0:33:26into a mainframe it gets really really
0:33:28hot and they acknowledge the fact that
0:33:30all of these computers yeah probably
0:33:32going to burn you alive if you touch
0:33:33them because it's just all the steam you
0:33:35shut down the fan probably not great
0:33:37great idea and that they have of course
0:33:40the the moment where it's you know it's
0:33:42a Mission Impossible movie but not to
0:33:44spoil it I i did like the ipad scene
0:33:47they are i want to give a credit to it
0:33:50was very interesting is years ago they
0:33:52would show like people who want phones
0:33:54they want you things they would have
0:33:55liked fake you know like we talked about
0:33:58the media West thing on the phone what's
0:33:59funny is now all the phones are iphones
0:34:01on any TV show where they need to use
0:34:02something although i really enjoy the
0:34:04few episodes i've seen of various things
0:34:06where you can tell someone's like
0:34:08holding it upside down it was more
0:34:09apparent back with the original iphone
0:34:11had the black bottom in the silver
0:34:12casing but you definitely catch they
0:34:13were trying to cover the logo right
0:34:15because they often obscure the apple
0:34:16logo and so he would hold the phone up
0:34:18specific threat as a laugh everytime i
0:34:20see that my favorite MAC usage in a TV
0:34:23show i think is Veronica Mars the late
0:34:25lamented show about a young woman who is
0:34:28a private investigator because she's a
0:34:30frequently used macs on that show and
0:34:31they almost always use actual footage of
0:34:34the OS doing things copying files
0:34:36whatsoever so there's an episode of
0:34:38Friends where Chandler is reading a copy
0:34:40of mac or that's right there is one with
0:34:43dark world he hits the title is the one
0:34:46with one where Chandler is laying on the
0:34:47couch reading macworld and it's the it's
0:34:50the sea jobs returns to apple issue of
0:34:52macworld and I remember it because that
0:34:54was about two months before i started
0:34:55working in Macworld i worked at the
0:34:57competition and I remember being so
0:35:00angry that macro was on an episode of
0:35:03friends and now I look back and like and
0:35:04that's cool backgrounds and friends but
0:35:07my favorite mean my favorite MAC in the
0:35:09media moment is definitely Scotty from
0:35:12Star Trek for inventing uh inventing a
0:35:16complicated molecular structure
0:35:18transparent using using only the
0:35:20original mac keyboard because that is
0:35:23how you build complex molecular models
0:35:25is by typing well before you try to use
0:35:27Siri used VI mouse but but it does say
0:35:31something about Syrian about speaking
0:35:33two devices that Scotty's plan like they
0:35:36do on the enterprise when they talk to
0:35:37the computer as he picks up the original
0:35:38mouse is a low computer and the computer
0:35:41doesn't answer because it's an original
0:35:43mac and I looking back that movie was
0:35:46not that long after the original Matt
0:35:48came out so it's it's early days it's
0:35:50amazing they have the ability to build
0:35:51transparent aluminum in mac paint was
0:35:56gaudy is advanced he's from huge reward
0:35:58how primitive i bet i was like he wrote
0:36:00the code to do it and that was what he
0:36:02was typing and then it just came out
0:36:04because he was from the future i think
0:36:07it's interesting issue about the
0:36:08portrayal of technology and media that
0:36:10actual technology can be extremely
0:36:12tedious and so you have to spice it up
0:36:14right so the NSA is a great thing in
0:36:17three days of the Condor terrific
0:36:18terrific robbery referee maybe it's
0:36:20fantastic so many ways one of the things
0:36:22that's most kind of terrifying
0:36:24interesting about that movie and I think
0:36:26it turned out to be true in interviewing
0:36:28period is what is Robert Redford ooh
0:36:30he's a CIA a semi covert analysts
0:36:33examined you just read stuff all the
0:36:34time that's what they do in the office
0:36:35and they read and analyze the wrong
0:36:37thing and that's what the NSA spends
0:36:39most of its time doing the National
0:36:41Reconnaissance Office and with the mic
0:36:42still on
0:36:43wait what's what and most of them aren't
0:36:45doing it like it's just an office
0:36:47building in the middle of New York City
0:36:48that's right well it was a brownstone it
0:36:50was hit but is most of the work done in
0:36:52that space is to look at massive amounts
0:36:55of information not individually pull out
0:36:58patterns decipher its extremely it may
0:37:00be very interesting in particular
0:37:01especially if you're crippled up to
0:37:03apologist but it's a cryptogram her but
0:37:04it's a crypto biologists that's a whole
0:37:07other story
0:37:07cryptozoology took this long as Bigfoot
0:37:09over the NRA but the but the orange
0:37:12things like you know it's just
0:37:13technology i went to Facebook's data
0:37:15centers is the data center in Prineville
0:37:17Oregon a few months ago which was
0:37:19exciting and interesting and bizarre
0:37:20because its row after over 10 equipment
0:37:23there's nothing interesting there I
0:37:24could see some kind of saw like
0:37:26tomato mystery murder like a horror
0:37:29movie set in a datacenter absolutely why
0:37:31not but it's nothing you do you open up
0:37:32like look at all these amazing glowing
0:37:34lights like nothing spinning amazing SS
0:37:36commandant always it's all the rack that
0:37:39would be such a great climax to a movie
0:37:41to have much like a a chase and shootout
0:37:43people pulling like blade servers out
0:37:45using them to play i could happen
0:37:47eventually the Mission Impossible movie
0:37:49they're gonna fight in the dataset
0:37:50indignity and yet with people around the
0:37:52globe the heroes would pull the thing
0:37:53out and swing the computer to to hurt
0:37:55someone and someone in peoria my
0:37:57pictures just disappeared with mono huh
0:38:00strong boxes down what's going to ready
0:38:02to start looking into getting hit by the
0:38:04cloud really hurts
0:38:07you're gonna have to get points for that
0:38:09lets people I i think i was shot
0:38:12sometimes I think the best use of
0:38:14technology in in fiction is
0:38:17extrapolation of what we've got now and
0:38:19what that means for the future and
0:38:21that's what I love about science fiction
0:38:22that's involved in in in technology i
0:38:25just read a couple of books by charles
0:38:27stross which are you know I have my
0:38:30issues with them but they weren't the
0:38:31most exciting books to read but what I
0:38:33really liked about it is him trying to
0:38:34extrapolate uh our current technology
0:38:37out 20 years and say you know imagine if
0:38:40the police have a enhance reality of you
0:38:42with all of their policing data and yeah
0:38:46there's more surveillance of people and
0:38:48he's trying to project out what that
0:38:50means and it means things like anything
0:38:52you say the police is logged and can
0:38:54always be retrieved later and you know
0:38:56and how does that change the police and
0:38:58how does that change how people interact
0:38:59with the police and i love i love
0:39:01looking at think it's obvious we got
0:39:03this stuff now where are we going to be
0:39:05in 10-15 years we left out one of the
0:39:07best ones which is the one ever wants to
0:39:09talk about which is minority report
0:39:10right because we're all thinking about
0:39:11minority report you'll have the future
0:39:13you'll be able to gesture around and do
0:39:15things in the air and arm
0:39:18I mean that technology does now sort of
0:39:19existing microsoft kinect do stuff
0:39:21that's very much like that it's pretty
0:39:22cool but I just made up the Arab make
0:39:25sure and make sure what that's like if
0:39:26you're just using your computer home and
0:39:28I really need to put together my own
0:39:29newsletter for my family so may get some
0:39:31pictures alright text and email it up
0:39:34and send it and it's cut two doctors
0:39:37office dockets it on my back
0:39:39killing it tore my rotator cuff ya how
0:39:41did you do that i was sending an email
0:39:43scrapbooking yeah okay Oh touchscreen
0:39:47imax not a good idea how massive massive
0:39:51gesture just your basic interfaces we
0:39:54are almost out of time so before I know
0:39:57you look surprised did it fly by
0:39:59do you have more it's very like an evil
0:40:01you have I I before we go i'm just
0:40:05wondering if there's anything that we've
0:40:07left out that we should talk about about
0:40:08where technology built a big doctor who
0:40:10plans on this stage and a time machine
0:40:12technology has not yet been invented so
0:40:14what's on your sort of hilarious that of
0:40:16all the things eventually we don't like
0:40:17with like everything in doctor who is
0:40:19ridiculous i'm going to accept that
0:40:20isn't that the trick is that it is once
0:40:23you start to purport to be real and you
0:40:25start putting the details it goes back
0:40:26to authors wanting to show their work
0:40:28and say hi does research about this and
0:40:30now i will show it to you which one can
0:40:32be really boring and too can be really
0:40:34annoying if they get it wrong because
0:40:35they need to get it wrong for plot
0:40:37purposes and it's much better if they
0:40:39just either say something like Doctor
0:40:41Who which is completely ridiculous and
0:40:42just like there's a guy with a time
0:40:44machine it's bigger on the inside like
0:40:45all right or it's like suffice to say
0:40:47like what you said about ready player
0:40:49one suffice it to say there's an online
0:40:50world and it's a game and let me tell
0:40:53you my story now and I'm not gonna
0:40:54probably ready player one is that first
0:40:56chapter really gets into details that I
0:40:58really rather actually not know and just
0:41:00have him say trust me it's a virtual
0:41:03world and then there's a story I'm going
0:41:06to tell you and thatthat's better it's
0:41:07like once they get into the details then
0:41:09there then then it's boring and they're
0:41:11going to get them wrong with Willy
0:41:13wobbly timey-wimey as we exactly the
0:41:15grandeur the fantasy and the more
0:41:18ridiculous the technology and the better
0:41:20the story the more likely i am to
0:41:22believe it if its present day
0:41:24NCIS let's enhance the video it becomes
0:41:28ooh far less sense yes no enhance more
0:41:31intense again I'm if it's not if it's
0:41:33set 3,000 years in the future and
0:41:35they're on a spaceship and certain
0:41:37things I'm willing to let certain things
0:41:38go in the name of plot no yeah nothing
0:41:41bothered me more than seeing Jack Bauer
0:41:42with his palm treo that had like
0:41:44instantaneous live video gps
0:41:47collaboration with the people back at
0:41:49the CTU they have released that model
0:41:51it wouldn't have had to sell themselves
0:41:52yeah the guys from honestly if palm
0:41:55could do what they did on 24
0:41:57homewood on all of us now that's why
0:41:59John Lewis very dating world is going on
0:42:01the village street now he's gonna create
0:42:03the CTU operating system for terror
0:42:05counterterrorism exactly he's getting I
0:42:08media for media TV that another well now
0:42:12that now that a webos has been open
0:42:14source all the other there's probably
0:42:16like a guy out there who's like I am
0:42:17your specialist in creating fake
0:42:19interfaces for movies and TV and my last
0:42:22meal somewhere it's true
0:42:24yeah alright so we've done enough damage
0:42:26to our selves and and macrolife stage
0:42:29for Stephen Fry has been mentioned so I
0:42:31think we're ok now has stephen fry ever
0:42:34miss you see fries a good user of
0:42:36technology seems like he's trying to
0:42:38steal all the work by doing everything
0:42:40and writing technology reviews also he's
0:42:42so talented in so many other ways he
0:42:44needs to leave our business alive I want
0:42:46demarcation I'll tell you demarcation as
0:42:49long as he doesn't become the voice of
0:42:50wikipedia and therefore become the
0:42:52actual hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy
0:42:53i will be fine
0:42:55yeah although he said it's funny if you
0:42:56don't know stephen Fry's not only a huge
0:42:58apple fan but he-he's gets invited to
0:43:00apple events now so we were at the ipad
0:43:02to launch writer was the original is an
0:43:04original iPad and original iPad were all
0:43:07their kind of blown away by the original
0:43:08iPad we're getting a look at it because
0:43:09it's not going to be out for a little
0:43:10while and and stephen fry is there its
0:43:15special ok it's what why are you here
0:43:18it's what it's like and he's carrying on
0:43:20from his friend Douglas Adams who was a
0:43:21big mac fan ever and douglas adams one
0:43:23of the great things about him was both
0:43:25his willingness to write in technology
0:43:27when it made sense about contemporary
0:43:29stuff and make up all kinds of things
0:43:31that weren't relevant didn't have to
0:43:32show his work well with the checkers are
0:43:34like that without you
0:43:35the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy the
0:43:36beauty of that is that you know that is
0:43:38prefiguring wikipedia in many ways and
0:43:41in the ipad and the idea had and it's
0:43:43great and I and the one of the you know
0:43:46terrible things about him having having
0:43:49died so young is that God would love to
0:43:51see douglas adams take on a lot of
0:43:54modern technology especially something
0:43:55like Wikipedia which I just know there
0:43:58is some incredible humor for him to mind
0:44:00from it that we know that we're never
0:44:02going to see but we do have the checkers
0:44:03guide
0:44:04what we do know the
0:44:04guns on AT&T so there is that and on
0:44:08that note I think we will close up the
0:44:10annual tradition of us sitting up here
0:44:13and saying things randomly live in front
0:44:15of an audience I would like to thank my
0:44:17guests Dan Morgan thank you very much
0:44:19for being here as always it's a pleasure
0:44:21to be here as always just isn't always a
0:44:24pleasure you just always here i'm always
0:44:25here it's not always apply ok thank you
0:44:27i want to clarify serenity call well
0:44:29thank you very much for being here it's
0:44:31always a pleasure to have you here
0:44:32I love being here maybe not always on
0:44:35this couch but I love being on this part
0:44:36is i was gonna make you to stay here
0:44:38overnight
0:44:39I mean Ryan ok I'm afraid my chair home
0:44:41yeah alright that's good i'm taking the
0:44:43stage home and Glenn fleischmann thank
0:44:46you for being here thank you very
0:44:47pressing us with your presence please
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0:44:50thank you and thanks to everybody who
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