The Incomparable

74: I`m Definitely Not a Girl


00:00:00   the incontrovertible contest number 74 [TS]

00:00:09   january 2008 well welcome back to the [TS]

00:00:15   incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

00:00:17   smell our topic today is movies for kids [TS]

00:00:21   kids movies we love and joining me today [TS]

00:00:25   are my guess [TS]

00:00:27   Lex Friedman hi Lex hi how are you I'm [TS]

00:00:31   doing well you have children i do I have [TS]

00:00:33   three and you were once a child yourself [TS]

00:00:34   where you're not as I recall I was okay [TS]

00:00:37   good thank you no further questions for [TS]

00:00:39   now another gasps John siracusa hi John [TS]

00:00:42   hello jason i made it you made it it's [TS]

00:00:44   good to have you here you have two [TS]

00:00:46   children i do and also wants a child [TS]

00:00:49   yourself that's what they'd only oh [TS]

00:00:51   that's right there are the dye is there [TS]

00:00:53   documentation for its is this a couple [TS]

00:00:55   of Polaroids that's it alright fair [TS]

00:00:57   enough we'll take that that's that's [TS]

00:00:58   physical evidence so I guess we should [TS]

00:01:01   start with but let's start with the [TS]

00:01:04   rules right we have a list of of things [TS]

00:01:06   we have to talk about we have talked [TS]

00:01:08   about what kids movie is and how we [TS]

00:01:11   define that and then we also have some [TS]

00:01:13   movies that we're not going to talk [TS]

00:01:14   about because we've covered them before [TS]

00:01:16   or we might be covering in in the near [TS]

00:01:18   future so to start I think we should [TS]

00:01:21   talk about what a kids movie is I mean I [TS]

00:01:24   i define this as movies that i would [TS]

00:01:27   like to watch with my kids I that I [TS]

00:01:29   think are of good quality that I enjoy [TS]

00:01:31   watching but that they also enjoy [TS]

00:01:33   watching I i tried to steer away from [TS]

00:01:35   movies that the kids don't like the [TS]

00:01:37   things that I find appalling that my [TS]

00:01:39   children do like because I would like I [TS]

00:01:42   would like it to be a family experience [TS]

00:01:43   where everybody find something that they [TS]

00:01:46   value does that sound about right what [TS]

00:01:48   do you have with you guys to find this [TS]

00:01:50   it's interesting that you said that [TS]

00:01:51   because you know we did not speak about [TS]

00:01:53   this before the show and my definition [TS]

00:01:54   was going to be [TS]

00:01:55   interestingly almost exactly the same [TS]

00:01:57   like before add kids i would have had [TS]

00:01:59   one definition of kids movie but now my [TS]

00:02:00   definition of a kids movie is basically [TS]

00:02:02   a movie that i want to show my children [TS]

00:02:05   it's something that of course I think [TS]

00:02:06   they'll enjoy it won't be too intense [TS]

00:02:08   for them or whatever but also a good [TS]

00:02:10   quality we like it you know i think my [TS]

00:02:12   kids need to see this move [TS]

00:02:13   because it's not just something trashy [TS]

00:02:16   think they'll like like you know I don't [TS]

00:02:18   know what your examples of horrible [TS]

00:02:19   things that children do like but that [TS]

00:02:22   you think is an adult horrible these are [TS]

00:02:23   the movies that i want to show them so [TS]

00:02:25   that's yeah that's basically my [TS]

00:02:26   definition of a kids movie today is [TS]

00:02:28   something that I really want my kids to [TS]

00:02:30   see and you hope that they like it and [TS]

00:02:31   enjoy it i would only add a to piggyback [TS]

00:02:34   there that it's it's gotta be something [TS]

00:02:35   that I'm willing to have them watch [TS]

00:02:37   multiple times and quote and reference [TS]

00:02:39   all the time because my kids if they [TS]

00:02:41   really liked the movie will ask to see [TS]

00:02:43   it repeatedly so it's gotta be something [TS]

00:02:45   that I think will withstand repeated [TS]

00:02:46   viewings for my own sanity in addition [TS]

00:02:49   to their enjoyment and the definition [TS]

00:02:50   for like when I was a kid that's a lot [TS]

00:02:53   of overlap with that but some pre [TS]

00:02:54   children were so what's the kid's movie [TS]

00:02:55   i would say well there it would be the [TS]

00:02:57   movie that i have fond memories of [TS]

00:02:59   seeing as a child and there's a big [TS]

00:03:01   overlap with that usually of this I [TS]

00:03:02   movie that i liked as a kid I something [TS]

00:03:05   that I want to show my children but [TS]

00:03:06   there are exceptions of the things that [TS]

00:03:08   I may have fond memories of as a kid but [TS]

00:03:10   now as an adult either when I we're [TS]

00:03:12   rewatching even without rewatching i [TS]

00:03:13   know that you know in hindsight that was [TS]

00:03:15   just garbage and really has no redeeming [TS]

00:03:17   value and I see no reason to expose my [TS]

00:03:20   kids to it right now I'm not a movie but [TS]

00:03:21   I call about the scooby-doo factors i [TS]

00:03:23   watched a lot of scooby-doo when I was a [TS]

00:03:24   kid I saw an episode you know five years [TS]

00:03:27   ago 10 years ago and was absolutely [TS]

00:03:29   appalled at how awful it was on all [TS]

00:03:31   fronts the everything about it was awful [TS]

00:03:33   and I now think there's some stuff that [TS]

00:03:36   I don't even want to see from my [TS]

00:03:37   childhood because I hold it in in such [TS]

00:03:39   high regard in my memory and I know that [TS]

00:03:41   if I look back and it's going to take [TS]

00:03:42   some things are better left to the [TS]

00:03:45   memories of your childhood [TS]

00:03:46   alright so we should also talk I think [TS]

00:03:48   we've got a pretty good working [TS]

00:03:49   definition of what we're calling a kids [TS]

00:03:54   movie we should talk about things that [TS]

00:03:56   we have already talked about we have [TS]

00:03:58   done a couple of podcast about pixar [TS]

00:04:01   although there's there there's probably [TS]

00:04:03   more we could say about it maybe we will [TS]

00:04:05   when the next pixar film comes out but [TS]

00:04:08   we're not going to talk about pixar [TS]

00:04:09   movies tonight because I we could this [TS]

00:04:12   could just turn into another pixar [TS]

00:04:14   podcast if we did that so suffice it to [TS]

00:04:16   say I think gentlemen that Pixar movies [TS]

00:04:19   are good in large part and and we're [TS]

00:04:23   just gonna cite that and say yes they [TS]

00:04:24   are and and you can listen to our to [TS]

00:04:26   podcast about pics [TS]

00:04:27   or if you'd like to hear more right [TS]

00:04:28   where the pics are limitations not in [TS]

00:04:30   place my selection tonight would [TS]

00:04:31   certainly be a Pixar movie right and all [TS]

00:04:33   the good things we said about pixar on [TS]

00:04:35   that pixar episode assume that they all [TS]

00:04:37   apply also to children because pretty [TS]

00:04:38   much all those movies are suitable for [TS]

00:04:40   children and pretty much suitable for [TS]

00:04:42   children of all ages and all [TS]

00:04:44   temperaments with the possible exception [TS]

00:04:45   of like maybe the incredibles and maybe [TS]

00:04:47   monsters inc for kids who are afraid of [TS]

00:04:49   monsters right as some kids are i'm also [TS]

00:04:53   going to say we're not going to talk [TS]

00:04:54   about Star Wars even though we've talked [TS]

00:04:57   about the Star Wars movies a lot and I [TS]

00:04:58   think kids enjoy them and adults enjoy [TS]

00:05:00   them but we've talked about the link so [TS]

00:05:02   we won't talk about them and will [TS]

00:05:04   continue to do so in future podcast and [TS]

00:05:06   we will [TS]

00:05:06   yes at least return the Jedi are not [TS]

00:05:09   quite sure what happens after that but [TS]

00:05:10   yes we will talk more about Star Wars [TS]

00:05:12   and let's see what else we did an [TS]

00:05:15   episode about the princess bride so I [TS]

00:05:18   even though i think that's a movie that [TS]

00:05:19   kids and parents can watch and enjoy [TS]

00:05:22   their own levels we already talked about [TS]

00:05:25   it so we shouldn't bring it up again [TS]

00:05:27   other than right now agreed agreed [TS]

00:05:30   alright and what does that leave us with [TS]

00:05:33   miyazaki one of the things i wanted to [TS]

00:05:36   do actually was talking about [TS]

00:05:38   kiki's delivery service for this episode [TS]

00:05:41   and jon said wait wait no no we should [TS]

00:05:44   do a whole episode about miyazaki and I [TS]

00:05:47   he convinced me we should do that and so [TS]

00:05:50   we will do that we get a whole episode [TS]

00:05:52   just on Kiki's Delivery the reasons i'm [TS]

00:05:54   concerned but that may be a little bit [TS]

00:05:56   too intense for the biggest so yeah yeah [TS]

00:05:59   yeah so we will offer yes we'll do some [TS]

00:06:02   miyazaki in the future so we're going to [TS]

00:06:03   take the miyazaki stuff off the table [TS]

00:06:05   but yes John John and I could probably [TS]

00:06:08   do a couple hours about keys to recovery [TS]

00:06:12   service so and and totoro possibly two [TS]

00:06:15   so what we'll leave that for for a [TS]

00:06:16   future podcast so now that we've talked [TS]

00:06:18   about what we're not going to talk about [TS]

00:06:20   and the subject matter i guess we should [TS]

00:06:24   go around and talk about some kids [TS]

00:06:26   movies we love we've got into the heart [TS]

00:06:28   of it [TS]

00:06:29   Lex tell me about tell me your selection [TS]

00:06:31   so I'm gonna I'm gonna lead in with some [TS]

00:06:34   that failed to make the cut very briefly [TS]

00:06:36   however awhile flight of the navigator [TS]

00:06:38   was my my top choice flatter than ever [TS]

00:06:40   Gator being one of my early [TS]

00:06:42   introductions to time travel was that [TS]

00:06:44   back to the future which we've also done [TS]

00:06:45   an episode about but flight of the [TS]

00:06:48   navigator involves a boy who wakes up [TS]

00:06:49   and it's five or so years in the future [TS]

00:06:52   from when he went to sleep [TS]

00:06:53   he's reunited with his family and they [TS]

00:06:55   have to understand what happened in paul [TS]

00:06:57   rubens in the movie [TS]

00:06:58   well he's a voice in the movie and it's [TS]

00:07:00   a live-action movie with a robotic voice [TS]

00:07:02   involved it's even a blew my mind as a [TS]

00:07:04   kid my problem is it's still good on [TS]

00:07:07   repeat viewings but it is very dated [TS]

00:07:10   visually and dialogue usually and it [TS]

00:07:14   doesn't hold up very well so I decided [TS]

00:07:15   my kids would not have the patience to [TS]

00:07:17   sit through all the flight of the [TS]

00:07:18   navigator [TS]

00:07:19   I would pick the princess bride but [TS]

00:07:20   rules preclude me from doing so and i [TS]

00:07:22   gave heavy thought my most controversial [TS]

00:07:25   rejection i think to galaxy quest which [TS]

00:07:29   was originally conceived as an art movie [TS]

00:07:30   the tim allen horny Weaver star trek [TS]

00:07:33   sort of parody movie but they decided it [TS]

00:07:37   would do better as a family movie and [TS]

00:07:38   edit it down to a PG thing and you can [TS]

00:07:40   even see the mouth saying very bad words [TS]

00:07:43   when the audio is dubbed in saying much [TS]

00:07:44   nicer words instead but I decided that [TS]

00:07:47   since it's really you know it's a family [TS]

00:07:49   movie and not as much of a kids movie [TS]

00:07:50   that it didn't deserve to be here so [TS]

00:07:52   that preface in mind i went with since I [TS]

00:07:56   couldn't choose pixar I choose the the [TS]

00:07:57   next best thing I went with Shrek I [TS]

00:08:00   think that dreamworks does a lot of [TS]

00:08:01   mediocre at best kids animated movies of [TS]

00:08:06   that sort but I feel like the original [TS]

00:08:08   shrek the first one and the first one [TS]

00:08:10   only they really sort of nailed a unique [TS]

00:08:12   niche of parodying the stories the kids [TS]

00:08:15   are very familiar with by this time [TS]

00:08:17   really making still very lovable [TS]

00:08:18   characters having a very good sort of [TS]

00:08:20   moral and having a great pics are asking [TS]

00:08:23   two-tiered storyline where things are [TS]

00:08:26   really geared for and very [TS]

00:08:27   understandable and very clear to kids [TS]

00:08:31   you know what's happening who the good [TS]

00:08:32   guys are who the bad guys are and what [TS]

00:08:34   to root for [TS]

00:08:35   but at the same time being very [TS]

00:08:37   entertaining to parents we're watching [TS]

00:08:38   as well [TS]

00:08:39   Shrek I've sky little skeptical [TS]

00:08:45   okay well we're all pixar stops here so [TS]

00:08:47   we're already looking down her nose at [TS]

00:08:48   your selection is like allow you know I [TS]

00:08:51   was [TS]

00:08:51   good for DreamWorks move see but what [TS]

00:08:54   where I think that pic that dreamworks [TS]

00:08:56   really succeeded with track was that it [TS]

00:08:58   was they could get away with not being [TS]

00:09:01   as good as pixar because in many ways it [TS]

00:09:03   was parroting a lot of what Pixar's all [TS]

00:09:05   about you know Peck you know they they [TS]

00:09:07   had a disney ask place to parody and [TS]

00:09:11   they you know they had these characters [TS]

00:09:13   who were anything but lovable you know [TS]

00:09:14   shrek is literally an ogre and his love [TS]

00:09:18   interest turns into one as well spoiler [TS]

00:09:20   alert [TS]

00:09:20   yeah but i mean i think it's probably [TS]

00:09:24   Eddie Murphy's best work since the [TS]

00:09:26   nineteen eighties in his role as the [TS]

00:09:28   donkey and you know it's mike myers is I [TS]

00:09:34   like mike myers more the early nineties [TS]

00:09:36   than I did when he did this movie which [TS]

00:09:38   came out in 2001 and he was actually as [TS]

00:09:41   you may know filling in for Chris Farley [TS]

00:09:43   who had already started recording the [TS]

00:09:45   role of shrek but then died during the [TS]

00:09:47   process and had to be replaced but i [TS]

00:09:49   think mike myers a very good job he [TS]

00:09:51   gives a lot of heart and emotion to [TS]

00:09:53   shrek I think Cameron Diaz a good job [TS]

00:09:55   and I and the reason i think it's i mean [TS]

00:09:58   i agree if I could pick a Pixar movie i [TS]

00:10:00   think i would pick monsters inc which i [TS]

00:10:01   think is one of the best movies ever [TS]

00:10:02   made but the shrek can get away like I [TS]

00:10:06   said with being a little bit on the you [TS]

00:10:08   know maybe not quite as good or as quite [TS]

00:10:11   as polished as your typical pixar film [TS]

00:10:13   would be because of its sense of humor [TS]

00:10:15   it's a very different sense of humor [TS]

00:10:16   from every other every other dreamworks [TS]

00:10:20   movie and it's a very different sense of [TS]

00:10:21   humor from what pics are usually goes [TS]

00:10:22   for it's got a different kind of heart [TS]

00:10:24   and it'sit's aware of its own faults and [TS]

00:10:27   it's proud of them and it so it it [TS]

00:10:29   doesn't mind and i don't know i really [TS]

00:10:31   feel like the storytelling in shrek is [TS]

00:10:33   very well paced the characters are very [TS]

00:10:35   fun to get into the the you know the [TS]

00:10:38   scary characters Lord Farquaad John [TS]

00:10:40   Lithgow's voice of being 15 aren't very [TS]

00:10:44   intimidating every any character that [TS]

00:10:46   could scare you they've done something [TS]

00:10:48   to make it not scary you know Lord [TS]

00:10:50   Farquaad being very small and ridiculous [TS]

00:10:52   41 and it's in the you know the dragon [TS]

00:10:54   that you think maybe you're supposed to [TS]

00:10:56   be scared of turns out to be really nice [TS]

00:10:58   and falls in love with the donkey so I [TS]

00:11:00   to me what makes it works so nicely is [TS]

00:11:02   that [TS]

00:11:03   for kids you know my kids especially my [TS]

00:11:05   oldest is five and she gets terrified of [TS]

00:11:07   everything you know if there's a witch [TS]

00:11:08   in an episode of dora the explorer she [TS]

00:11:10   runs from the room but she can get [TS]

00:11:11   through shrek without panicking because [TS]

00:11:14   of its sense of humor in the way treats [TS]

00:11:17   its scary moments and she loves the [TS]

00:11:19   funny moments and their slapstick and [TS]

00:11:21   there's thinking humor and there's [TS]

00:11:23   really funny setups and confusion and [TS]

00:11:25   all sorts of things that I feel like are [TS]

00:11:27   really very well paced and very well [TS]

00:11:29   structured for a kid's enjoyment you [TS]

00:11:32   find a pickup on the cultural references [TS]

00:11:34   not it was not nearly as bad as for [TS]

00:11:36   example robin williams and aladdin but [TS]

00:11:38   there are a lot of jokes and gags and [TS]

00:11:41   shrek that are of their time sort of the [TS]

00:11:43   edges that do find your kids missing [TS]

00:11:45   that or does if they miss it doesn't [TS]

00:11:47   take away from the movie it's it's the [TS]

00:11:48   latter when they're definitely missing [TS]

00:11:50   it i mean there's there's jokes that [TS]

00:11:51   certainly go over your head their heads [TS]

00:11:53   when they're watching Trek and they just [TS]

00:11:55   have you know no idea that they don't [TS]

00:11:57   even recognize that they're missing this [TS]

00:11:58   it's the nice thing is the references [TS]

00:12:00   are done in a way that leave you [TS]

00:12:01   confused about what am i missing right [TS]

00:12:03   now you just have no idea that there's [TS]

00:12:04   even a reference being made I think [TS]

00:12:06   that's even true on the you know with [TS]

00:12:08   with Pixar films where you know there's [TS]

00:12:10   there's where's Jenny joke that's for [TS]

00:12:12   the adults it you don't realize that [TS]

00:12:14   you're missing the joke if you're the [TS]

00:12:15   kid who just are continuing to be [TS]

00:12:17   entertained by the parts that appeal to [TS]

00:12:18   you but it's not like cultural [TS]

00:12:19   references like where Robin Williams is [TS]

00:12:21   doing you know what's this is William F [TS]

00:12:24   Buckley yeah we're even or even whatever [TS]

00:12:28   really big show [TS]

00:12:29   what's that guy's name it Sullivan yeah [TS]

00:12:31   i'm going to doing that impression I [TS]

00:12:32   mean kitty I didn't you know I barely [TS]

00:12:35   knew who had sold was my chemistry [TS]

00:12:36   classes are as all the stalker right [TS]

00:12:37   kids did have no idea what that [TS]

00:12:39   impressed me i'm not sure and a little [TS]

00:12:41   kids then it's gonna sail right over [TS]

00:12:42   their heads my concern always with Shrek [TS]

00:12:44   movies it is that those like with Latin [TS]

00:12:48   they are baking it feels like there's a [TS]

00:12:51   freshness date on the movie and I i [TS]

00:12:53   remember at the time thinking really is [TS]

00:12:55   this the right way to do this because [TS]

00:12:56   pics are always and we mentioned this in [TS]

00:12:58   pixar podcast always seems to be [TS]

00:12:59   shooting for a timeless classic and [TS]

00:13:02   trying to trying to have it be something [TS]

00:13:04   that in 10 or 15 years it won't seem [TS]

00:13:06   dated and with Shrek they you know and I [TS]

00:13:11   think Jeffrey Katzenberg has something [TS]

00:13:12   to do with us he was behind Aladdin when [TS]

00:13:14   he was at Disney and obviously was one [TS]

00:13:16   of the [TS]

00:13:17   the three founders of dreamworks it I [TS]

00:13:19   felt like with Shrek that same feeling [TS]

00:13:21   of like well we're going to be current [TS]

00:13:23   we're gonna go in the theater with [TS]

00:13:25   topical references and I don't think [TS]

00:13:27   kids are going to be confused by it but [TS]

00:13:29   personally I look at that movie and [TS]

00:13:31   think wow thats you know that this movie [TS]

00:13:33   is going to date rapidly and I you know [TS]

00:13:36   I should actually go back and watch [TS]

00:13:37   track i think which because it is a good [TS]

00:13:39   movie and I wonder how I feel now about [TS]

00:13:41   you know ten-year-old topical references [TS]

00:13:44   yeah I mean I I really feel like you [TS]

00:13:46   know there's a also smash mouth [TS]

00:13:49   yes you know it's got smash brothers got [TS]

00:13:50   all star which every I believe every [TS]

00:13:52   movie in 2001 was contractually [TS]

00:13:54   obligated to include but I i believe it [TS]

00:13:58   holds up well you know I only learned [TS]

00:14:00   you know when I was prepping for the [TS]

00:14:01   show i was reading a little bit about it [TS]

00:14:02   and I only learned now that the Farquaad [TS]

00:14:05   character was meant to be a caricature [TS]

00:14:07   of michael eisner that then disney's CEO [TS]

00:14:09   I mean I knew at the time the Farquaad [TS]

00:14:12   was you know and i think you know [TS]

00:14:14   certainly my kids miss Farquaad itself [TS]

00:14:17   is a word or name that sounds like it's [TS]

00:14:19   very borderline vulgar or crass which [TS]

00:14:23   certainly my kids don't get and I i [TS]

00:14:25   didn't get at the time and I it took me [TS]

00:14:26   to reading you know earlier this week [TS]

00:14:28   that it was that Michael Eisner [TS]

00:14:29   reference and I feel like all the all [TS]

00:14:31   the other references references that are [TS]

00:14:32   a little bit dated now they don't phase [TS]

00:14:35   me and I don't think they face my kids [TS]

00:14:37   at all it's because you know they get [TS]

00:14:40   references that are built in just for [TS]

00:14:42   them like you know my five-year-old [TS]

00:14:44   again pointed out that the story of [TS]

00:14:46   shrek and fiona is very beauty and the [TS]

00:14:48   beast ask only floating around right [TS]

00:14:51   yeah and that's what you you mentioned [TS]

00:14:52   something about about wet track is [TS]

00:14:54   parenting it's not really parenting [TS]

00:14:55   pixar it's parenting disney movies and [TS]

00:14:57   right and does a great job of that and [TS]

00:14:59   and and those are classics and so [TS]

00:15:02   parodying these classics is that that's [TS]

00:15:05   my favorite stuff in this movie is when [TS]

00:15:07   it's really taking on the you know sort [TS]

00:15:10   of overly prissy disney movies I i think [TS]

00:15:15   really it's attacking the disney [TS]

00:15:17   attitude about its movies from the past [TS]

00:15:19   and saying oh these are classics and we [TS]

00:15:21   love them and tweaking that a little bit [TS]

00:15:22   or a lot but i love that part of this [TS]

00:15:25   but i would even argue its broader I [TS]

00:15:27   don't feel anything I think you're right [TS]

00:15:28   it's certainly the number one [TS]

00:15:29   disney movies but I feel like it's all [TS]

00:15:31   of fairytale land no it'sit's all [TS]

00:15:34   children's stories and children's movies [TS]

00:15:36   hear it i think my favorite scene [TS]

00:15:38   remains you know when i'm fiona is [TS]

00:15:41   singing and I don't even want to ruin [TS]

00:15:44   the scene now in the movies 10 years old [TS]

00:15:45   know if you wanna everything these [TS]

00:15:47   high-pitched music and causes i believe [TS]

00:15:50   it's a bird [TS]

00:15:51   if memory serves properly to explode [TS]

00:15:53   because she's being so high i love that [TS]

00:15:55   joke i think that joke works on any [TS]

00:15:57   level and that's right out of what does [TS]

00:15:59   that snow-white that's right yeah it's [TS]

00:16:02   like culturally relevant to children [TS]

00:16:04   because usually the first movie show [TS]

00:16:06   very young children are the ones that [TS]

00:16:07   are kind of pricey and and gentle and [TS]

00:16:10   not scary so a lot of those are the very [TS]

00:16:12   early disney movies and then when they [TS]

00:16:15   can get a little bit older if you show [TS]

00:16:16   them attractive it's relevant to them [TS]

00:16:19   because for their entire life up to that [TS]

00:16:20   point they had been read these stories [TS]

00:16:21   and now it's skewering it you know it's [TS]

00:16:24   like it's like a twist for them like wow [TS]

00:16:25   skewering fairy tales you know I thought [TS]

00:16:27   the dress for fairy tales and obviously [TS]

00:16:29   the FBI the concept of turning something [TS]

00:16:31   on its ear you know anything i think [TS]

00:16:35   that it that the kids really like about [TS]

00:16:36   shrek is that it's just you know the [TS]

00:16:39   same thing we got out of maybe tom and [TS]

00:16:41   jerry are just slapstick kids love slaps [TS]

00:16:42   the end there can be that you know [TS]

00:16:44   hollow slapstick that's not really of [TS]

00:16:46   any value but if you can put good [TS]

00:16:48   slapstick in a movie with kind of a [TS]

00:16:50   point and you know and a lesson is not [TS]

00:16:53   it you know shrek has that going forward [TS]

00:16:55   amidst all the pop culture references [TS]

00:16:57   and everything so I i wanna say [TS]

00:17:00   something about what they do with [TS]

00:17:02   Princess Fiona which i really like is it [TS]

00:17:05   in terms of turning the fairytale and [TS]

00:17:07   the images of the fairytale on a TED she [TS]

00:17:09   starts out and I mean it's cameron diaz [TS]

00:17:11   is where she starts out as this pretty [TS]

00:17:13   princess pretty pink princess basically [TS]

00:17:16   and turns into an ogre and stays as an [TS]

00:17:20   ochre right in stays with Shrek and in [TS]

00:17:23   terms of you know she's because she [TS]

00:17:26   starts as a little pretty thing and she [TS]

00:17:29   turns into an ogre and she's big and fat [TS]

00:17:31   yeah it's not a city manager sexy [TS]

00:17:33   Cameron Diaz over its not Sam Freddie as [TS]

00:17:35   in green and that's her being herself [TS]

00:17:37   and that's how she remains and i love [TS]

00:17:40   that that's what happens in this movie [TS]

00:17:42   to turn around [TS]

00:17:43   whole kind of all the pretty all the [TS]

00:17:45   pretty supermodel e skinny princesses [TS]

00:17:47   with the blond hair and you know it and [TS]

00:17:50   and Fiona it you know ends up becoming [TS]

00:17:52   embracing her life as as an ogre in her [TS]

00:17:55   in her body that is you know big and [TS]

00:17:58   clumsy and and and hers and it's who she [TS]

00:18:01   is perhaps the bravest artistic choice [TS]

00:18:04   ever made by DreamWorks okay haha i will [TS]

00:18:06   say the one but the one reason that I [TS]

00:18:09   you know I really do like moving i think [TS]

00:18:11   it does it state withstand the test of [TS]

00:18:13   time I think it's even still looks good [TS]

00:18:15   today the one reason that I was hesitant [TS]

00:18:18   that was it has several instances of [TS]

00:18:22   very much geared towards adults I guess [TS]

00:18:25   teenager humor where it's we're leading [TS]

00:18:28   into more adult and I think it needs to [TS]

00:18:31   go there's a line when Shrek and Donkey [TS]

00:18:34   first sea lord farquaad's castle and [TS]

00:18:36   tricks as you think he's compensating [TS]

00:18:37   for something and you know kids probably [TS]

00:18:40   think well Lord Farquaad shirt so that I [TS]

00:18:42   met with a short but that's that's an [TS]

00:18:44   adult joke and there's multiple [TS]

00:18:46   occurrences and I I like these jokes I [TS]

00:18:48   just I feel like the movie could have [TS]

00:18:50   done without them and maybe been sweeter [TS]

00:18:52   for it i think i think that comment [TS]

00:18:53   section joke is a perfect example of a [TS]

00:18:55   double meaning that where you can read [TS]

00:18:57   it as the innocent way and that's fine [TS]

00:18:59   right right was gonna but there's a [TS]

00:19:01   couple of this is where they especially [TS]

00:19:03   with rhyming they lead into where you [TS]

00:19:05   think they're going to say something [TS]

00:19:06   audience then don't you know that [TS]

00:19:07   there's the disney style song when you [TS]

00:19:10   first get to to the the castle where [TS]

00:19:13   they watch that little the video we're [TS]

00:19:16   seeing you know please keep off the [TS]

00:19:17   grass [TS]

00:19:18   shine your shoes wipe your face and [TS]

00:19:23   there's a hyatt that there's a line we [TS]

00:19:25   think they're going to say that somebody [TS]

00:19:26   likes to get laid to run with word made [TS]

00:19:28   but they actually anything that he likes [TS]

00:19:29   to get paid but with a little pause [TS]

00:19:31   there first and it [TS]

00:19:32   my kids don't get those jokes but you [TS]

00:19:34   know one day we'll get those jokes and [TS]

00:19:36   then a movie that was sweet and innocent [TS]

00:19:37   will be slightly less serious business [TS]

00:19:39   and I don't think it's I think it's [TS]

00:19:41   terrible but it was the one element that [TS]

00:19:43   gave me pause before I endorse it but I [TS]

00:19:44   stand by my endorsement of shrek it's [TS]

00:19:46   really good to watch it again all right [TS]

00:19:48   in a previous podcast I didn't even [TS]

00:19:51   mention this when we were listening all [TS]

00:19:52   the rules and conditions and terms that [TS]

00:19:54   precede this a this podcast i mentioned [TS]

00:19:58   in our superhero episode three works as [TS]

00:20:00   movie megamind which not for me to have [TS]

00:20:03   the incomparable praise will ferrell [TS]

00:20:07   movies but i really like megamind I [TS]

00:20:10   think it's you know it's not the [TS]

00:20:12   incredibles but what is but I actually [TS]

00:20:13   think it's a very good movie and it's [TS]

00:20:15   the DreamWorks animated movie that i [TS]

00:20:17   have liked the best [TS]

00:20:19   and in that it's maybe not as brave a [TS]

00:20:22   choice but the fact that they cast Brad [TS]

00:20:24   Pitt as Superman and make him not even [TS]

00:20:26   the villain but make him a coward [TS]

00:20:28   uh-huh i think is kind of great anyway [TS]

00:20:32   so good choice Lex Thank you Thank You [TS]

00:20:34   Jon you're up [TS]

00:20:37   so my choice is the neverending story [TS]

00:20:39   and this is a little bit of an older [TS]

00:20:43   kids movie I think about when I showed [TS]

00:20:45   it to my kids and when i'm thinking of [TS]

00:20:46   things I want my children to see it's [TS]

00:20:48   like the same criteria said before so [TS]

00:20:49   it's something that I loved as a kid [TS]

00:20:51   something that I think has redeeming [TS]

00:20:52   value but the third category is [TS]

00:20:55   something that I think will like bring [TS]

00:20:59   them into the next stage of emotional [TS]

00:21:01   development or whatever so obviously [TS]

00:21:02   when the kids are very young you're [TS]

00:21:04   showing them only very gentle rated g [TS]

00:21:05   movies you don't be scared you're trying [TS]

00:21:07   to figure out what your kid is like is [TS]

00:21:08   the kind of kid who is going to run [TS]

00:21:10   screaming from the room the moment [TS]

00:21:12   something scary comes on the screen your [TS]

00:21:14   power so as the kids get older you start [TS]

00:21:15   to get a feel for what they can handle [TS]

00:21:18   and the neverending story for me I saw [TS]

00:21:19   when I was much older them then when I [TS]

00:21:21   showed it to my children but I remember [TS]

00:21:23   just being it being like the the most [TS]

00:21:26   emotionally wrenching movie i had seen [TS]

00:21:27   to date because apparently i had only [TS]

00:21:30   been exposed to I guess star was [TS]

00:21:31   probably would have been worse but that [TS]

00:21:32   was just so ingrained in my psyche that [TS]

00:21:34   it wasn't like i don't know i i'd seen [TS]

00:21:37   it so many times you know I couldn't [TS]

00:21:40   really remember what those scenes did to [TS]

00:21:42   me in the same way about the neverending [TS]

00:21:43   story it's like it's gonna be like a [TS]

00:21:45   fairy tale and we're going to see you [TS]

00:21:47   know princesses and it's like a boy and [TS]

00:21:49   a horse you don't know anything about [TS]

00:21:50   what I'm always gonna be like before you [TS]

00:21:51   go into it when your kid and the stuff [TS]

00:21:54   that happens in that movie like it it's [TS]

00:21:56   not it's not the wire ok it's not it's [TS]

00:21:59   not gritty drama or whatever but for [TS]

00:22:01   kids movie [TS]

00:22:02   it's very very intense and and that's [TS]

00:22:06   that's what sticks with me about the [TS]

00:22:07   movie and I wanted to show it to my [TS]

00:22:09   children to sit to sort of open up that [TS]

00:22:12   world of deeper emotions associated with [TS]

00:22:15   movies where there's not there's not [TS]

00:22:17   slapstick it's not the hero is not [TS]

00:22:22   protected by by the magic script and [TS]

00:22:26   everything turns out okay for them and [TS]

00:22:28   you know like it's more of a movie with [TS]

00:22:31   an arc and at the same time I think it's [TS]

00:22:32   great for kids because it's got you know [TS]

00:22:33   monsters and and berries and magic and [TS]

00:22:38   and and the framing story of a boy is of [TS]

00:22:41   a similar age you know and all that [TS]

00:22:44   stuff up so really i was going to my son [TS]

00:22:46   who was it was seven my daughter is a [TS]

00:22:48   tough cookie and she wants to see [TS]

00:22:50   everything that he sees and she's not [TS]

00:22:51   really scared by stuff but i think i [TS]

00:22:52   think a lot of it was lost on her but [TS]

00:22:54   for a seven-year-old boy think it's [TS]

00:22:56   about the right age as long as I can be [TS]

00:22:58   too scared by this type of thing to [TS]

00:23:00   expose them to this movie and the real [TS]

00:23:02   test of what that the part where i was [TS]

00:23:03   watching i do this one I'm trying to [TS]

00:23:06   make it i will it i watch her with them [TS]

00:23:08   but a certain point i'm not watching the [TS]

00:23:10   movie i'm watching them to see what [TS]

00:23:11   their little faces do and you know [TS]

00:23:13   something obviously if my daughter [TS]

00:23:15   leaves the room she to the board or [TS]

00:23:17   scared or if she wants that curl with me [TS]

00:23:19   or whatever my son is kind of past the [TS]

00:23:21   age where you will curl up he's got a [TS]

00:23:23   little bit of a macho thing going but [TS]

00:23:25   you can see it on his little face so the [TS]

00:23:27   scene i always think about my was [TS]

00:23:29   watching then watch this movie was when [TS]

00:23:31   the horse our text starts to sink in [TS]

00:23:34   that was the name of that the swamps of [TS]

00:23:36   sadness or something like that where [TS]

00:23:38   went that as you get more sad that the [TS]

00:23:41   the swamp follows you and the only way [TS]

00:23:42   the hero can stay above this by keeping [TS]

00:23:44   himself for being said but eventually [TS]

00:23:46   they been wandering this month or so [TS]

00:23:48   longer the horse starts to lose heart [TS]

00:23:50   and the horse starts to sink and pretty [TS]

00:23:52   much in every movie these kids had seen [TS]

00:23:54   up to that point when you have a scene [TS]

00:23:56   like this where you know environment or [TS]

00:23:59   monsters about to eat the beloved you [TS]

00:24:01   know pet or especially with animals so [TS]

00:24:03   much it seems like it's almost easier [TS]

00:24:05   and kids movies to off a bunch of kids [TS]

00:24:07   are getting my monsters but never the [TS]

00:24:09   pets right so the horse starts to sink [TS]

00:24:11   and i know you gotta keep trying artex [TS]

00:24:13   you got you got to believe whatever [TS]

00:24:14   eventually the horse gets out and [TS]

00:24:16   the triumphal music plays after the sad [TS]

00:24:17   music and yes you rescue the horse and [TS]

00:24:18   wasn't that close this one [TS]

00:24:20   no the horse sinks she sinks into the [TS]

00:24:22   mud and the kids left sitting there [TS]

00:24:24   covered in mud and his favorite little [TS]

00:24:26   horse is now dead and that like that's [TS]

00:24:30   the turning point I feel like that was a [TS]

00:24:31   turning point in my childhood that like [TS]

00:24:33   the whole the horses got no he's going [TS]

00:24:36   to come out of that mud right [TS]

00:24:37   no no it's gone I mean obviously they [TS]

00:24:39   have the big turnaround the end where [TS]

00:24:40   the entire world is reconstructed and [TS]

00:24:41   thats all thats when it would then you [TS]

00:24:43   know so it's not it's not a downer movie [TS]

00:24:45   for kids but there's so many parts of [TS]

00:24:47   the movie they're like that the hero in [TS]

00:24:49   this movie doesn't do well in many of [TS]

00:24:54   the hero type things in both the framing [TS]

00:24:55   story and and then in the major story [TS]

00:24:57   things go very badly and not badly in a [TS]

00:25:00   way that you think can be recovered by [TS]

00:25:02   the end of the movie just Little Rock's [TS]

00:25:03   floating in space and everybody's [TS]

00:25:04   depressed and everything nice creampie [TS]

00:25:08   why are you reading me this thing yeah [TS]

00:25:10   thats good friends private princess [TS]

00:25:11   bride sort of goes like that but it's [TS]

00:25:13   more slack it's kind of like you're [TS]

00:25:14   talking about how shrek makes the scary [TS]

00:25:16   characters are the scary by sort of [TS]

00:25:18   undercutting them with humor right this [TS]

00:25:20   is like the first like the first step [TS]

00:25:22   beyond that were you know where you can [TS]

00:25:23   say no we're actually not going to [TS]

00:25:25   undercut this for you you know like [TS]

00:25:26   stepping up the ladder of you know [TS]

00:25:29   movies that you might watch because I [TS]

00:25:31   feel like you have to see a movie like [TS]

00:25:32   this before [TS]

00:25:34   you're exposed to I don't like like a PG [TS]

00:25:39   I can't think of a good example but yeah [TS]

00:25:42   this movie is it definitely kids movies [TS]

00:25:45   for kids and stuff in it for kids it's [TS]

00:25:47   it's aimed at that age group but but it [TS]

00:25:49   pushes the kids and if you should if you [TS]

00:25:51   were to showcase you go to write from [TS]

00:25:52   like a Disney friendly movie to one of [TS]

00:25:56   those movies that supposed to have [TS]

00:25:57   dramatic things happen and it said [TS]

00:25:58   things happen I don't know they would [TS]

00:26:00   make the transition or it was just like [TS]

00:26:01   bounce off them or they were rejected or [TS]

00:26:03   whatever and this is just a great bridge [TS]

00:26:04   movie into the larger world of movies or [TS]

00:26:07   actual dramatic things app I've never [TS]

00:26:09   seen this moving never oh my god you [TS]

00:26:11   need to see the smoke now sit in this in [TS]

00:26:14   rewatch I must admit I have only seen [TS]

00:26:16   some of the neverending oh my god i [TS]

00:26:18   thought this is one of these movies that [TS]

00:26:19   like every text is that why you didn't [TS]

00:26:21   do the holiday a christmas story in the [TS]

00:26:22   holiday movies you've never seen a Jason [TS]

00:26:24   and I have seen that you can talk about [TS]

00:26:25   it [TS]

00:26:26   seen that so it once what I will say [TS]

00:26:29   what i will say on re watching this [TS]

00:26:31   movie because the memories of this movie [TS]

00:26:34   loomed very very large in my head and so [TS]

00:26:36   we're watching with my kids was the [TS]

00:26:38   first time I'd watched it I don't know [TS]

00:26:39   decades a long long time and it had it [TS]

00:26:43   it held up pretty well but it did have [TS]

00:26:46   that that thing that most kids movies [TS]

00:26:47   that you haven't seen in awhile have is [TS]

00:26:50   that a you don't realize how short it is [TS]

00:26:51   like that there's like five scenes you [TS]

00:26:54   know it's like this happens that happens [TS]

00:26:55   that I'm in the end users like wow that [TS]

00:26:57   seems so much longer the ark and the [TS]

00:26:58   journey of this hero seem like so much [TS]

00:27:00   more arduous and really it's like yet 20 [TS]

00:27:02   minutes of film right because when your [TS]

00:27:03   kid the time expands and you feel like [TS]

00:27:05   the movies longer so the movie is [TS]

00:27:06   shorter than you think and I was also [TS]

00:27:09   worried about the effects because it's [TS]

00:27:10   all know what year was this movie made a [TS]

00:27:12   1984 so it's all latex and there's not [TS]

00:27:15   even any green screen is just latex and [TS]

00:27:17   strings and maybe there's a little bit [TS]

00:27:19   of green screen at one point that's what [TS]

00:27:21   I was gonna ask you that I feel like the [TS]

00:27:22   effect would appear dated to fit the [TS]

00:27:26   effects are dated but the movie doesn't [TS]

00:27:28   hinge on them especially I i would say [TS]

00:27:30   that the parts they really work for me [TS]

00:27:32   like a resemble the horse in the swamp [TS]

00:27:34   it's a real horse ok so that works fine [TS]

00:27:36   it's real mud it's real you know [TS]

00:27:38   physical effects everywhere and even the [TS]

00:27:40   bit were at one point I can't just ruin [TS]

00:27:43   the horse time for Jason I love your [TS]

00:27:45   kids will get hosting is dangerous [TS]

00:27:47   student John I i'll take the boards at [TS]

00:27:50   one point that that the hero is climbing [TS]

00:27:54   on top of a giant beasts which I'm sure [TS]

00:27:56   is like a model or miniature some sort [TS]

00:27:57   of composite must have been done there [TS]

00:27:58   but but it's a practical effect you know [TS]

00:28:00   it was something with some it's all in [TS]

00:28:02   camera or maybe some optical compositing [TS]

00:28:04   but it comes off really well not the [TS]

00:28:06   things that don't come up well as [TS]

00:28:07   obviously the budget was low and set [TS]

00:28:09   your small a lot of times they're [TS]

00:28:11   they're inside a studio and they have to [TS]

00:28:14   make it look like it's outside its [TS]

00:28:16   clearly inside and it's kind of like it [TS]

00:28:17   a bad TV show on PBS with a bunch of [TS]

00:28:19   people wearing rubber latex stuff but [TS]

00:28:21   that's just not what the movie is about [TS]

00:28:23   and like so many of these things kids [TS]

00:28:25   seriously can't tell i'm not getting [TS]

00:28:28   back to another long-standing top that [TS]

00:28:30   we should do a show about eventually but [TS]

00:28:32   like video games when I show my children [TS]

00:28:33   look very old video games they they [TS]

00:28:35   honestly a cannot distinguish and be [TS]

00:28:38   even when press [TS]

00:28:39   just can't tell you which game looked [TS]

00:28:42   better or look fancier or is new or [TS]

00:28:44   anything like that they just they just [TS]

00:28:46   simply don't see it so the effects of [TS]

00:28:48   this are dated but I still highly highly [TS]

00:28:50   recommended and Jason yes I can't [TS]

00:28:52   believe well you're probably too old to [TS]

00:28:53   tune to get the magic this movie and you [TS]

00:28:55   can sort of my kids [TS]

00:28:56   it may be too intense for your younger [TS]

00:28:59   child but alright I give it give it a [TS]

00:29:01   watch by yourself you may have to get [TS]

00:29:03   into that childlike mindset to get over [TS]

00:29:07   the fact that it seems like you know [TS]

00:29:09   it's like 90 minutes long or whatever it [TS]

00:29:10   is it's there's not much there but trust [TS]

00:29:12   me when your kid there's a lot there [TS]

00:29:14   alright well i watch out for that i'll [TS]

00:29:18   put on the list [TS]

00:29:18   neverending story i had how do you feel [TS]

00:29:20   about the sequel by the way out now this [TS]

00:29:22   equals it's kind of like Star Wars those [TS]

00:29:24   those are the movies just don't just [TS]

00:29:26   pretend I'm not understood i just always [TS]

00:29:28   think of them the the attorney John [TS]

00:29:32   let's let's on the simpsons when he says [TS]

00:29:35   you know this will be the biggest class [TS]

00:29:36   that case online advertising Lionel hats [TS]

00:29:39   thank you [TS]

00:29:39   this will be the biggest case of false [TS]

00:29:41   advertising since the neverender is [TS]

00:29:42   never ending story the neverending story [TS]

00:29:44   part 2 [TS]

00:29:44   that's that's what I think I don't think [TS]

00:29:46   I ever even got through then everything [TS]

00:29:48   started with her i think i started [TS]

00:29:49   watching everything started part 2 and [TS]

00:29:50   and watched like whatever year it came [TS]

00:29:52   out and was just disgusted by it and [TS]

00:29:54   said right now forget it [TS]

00:29:55   no and if there are more movies it came [TS]

00:29:58   out six years later and was it sounds [TS]

00:30:01   like the the adaptation of this book was [TS]

00:30:03   a complete disaster [TS]

00:30:05   business-wise and he sued because he [TS]

00:30:07   thought the movie was not enough like [TS]

00:30:09   his book and you know there's a whole [TS]

00:30:11   you can read it all on Wikipedia but [TS]

00:30:13   yeah I know I never a movie is the movie [TS]

00:30:15   I've never had any knowledge of the book [TS]

00:30:17   and all I know is the second movie was [TS]

00:30:18   so awful that even or whatever age I was [TS]

00:30:20   at that time I could not watch it and [TS]

00:30:22   then I think I rode off [TS]

00:30:23   it's very impressive that something [TS]

00:30:24   called the neverending story actually [TS]

00:30:26   runs 90 minutes [TS]

00:30:27   that's what does see it doesn't actually [TS]

00:30:29   I don't want to ruin it ok that there is [TS]

00:30:31   a point of the story which I my children [TS]

00:30:34   quiz me on this to at the end of the [TS]

00:30:35   thing that likable then why was it [TS]

00:30:37   called a never-ending started to explain [TS]

00:30:38   it Im hopefully I won't have I want two [TS]

00:30:40   horses to you Jason wants to do with a [TS]

00:30:42   dead horse but rather to be glue in [TS]

00:30:45   rather than beating a dead horse [TS]

00:30:47   let's move on i am going to talk about [TS]

00:30:52   well maybe we'll do a second round here [TS]

00:30:54   for a quick a quick second round but [TS]

00:30:56   first let me talk about my three good [TS]

00:30:59   movies [TS]

00:31:02   oh boy i'm going to talk about the iron [TS]

00:31:06   giant a strange lost movie for I think [TS]

00:31:14   it's now being recognized as a classic [TS]

00:31:16   but it didn't really do when it came out [TS]

00:31:18   written and directed by brad bird you [TS]

00:31:20   may have heard of him [TS]

00:31:22   he he he went on to do the incredibles [TS]

00:31:25   and ratatouille and and mission [TS]

00:31:28   impossible for I guess right John [TS]

00:31:31   yeah but just so that today it was no [TS]

00:31:32   incredible tell you that now but what is [TS]

00:31:35   again the iron giant I is a traditional [TS]

00:31:39   hand-drawn cel animation are animated [TS]

00:31:43   feature voice I don't know who the kid [TS]

00:31:47   the voice of the kid is his mom is [TS]

00:31:48   jennifer aniston his buddy is a is Harry [TS]

00:31:53   Connick and the voice of the Iron Giant [TS]

00:31:56   is Vin Diesel and unrecognizable [TS]

00:31:59   basically as the Iron Giant and it's [TS]

00:32:02   just it's set in the fifties in height [TS]

00:32:04   of the Cold War and an alien robot that [TS]

00:32:06   alien robot killing machine crashes to [TS]

00:32:09   earth and is essentially taken in by a [TS]

00:32:11   kid who learns to hide them in his barn [TS]

00:32:15   and learns how to how to feed him metal [TS]

00:32:18   scraps in order to in order to keep him [TS]

00:32:21   alive and and it's just it's an [TS]

00:32:24   incredibly sweet story it's got some [TS]

00:32:26   scary parts where the the where the kid [TS]

00:32:30   discovers the giant this kid Hogarth [TS]

00:32:32   whole Garth as the giant says and it's a [TS]

00:32:37   and the army there's that there's a a a [TS]

00:32:40   really awful kind of slimy government [TS]

00:32:46   man whose God who is the actor place [TS]

00:32:50   that mr. McDonald christopher mcdonald [TS]

00:32:52   who does a great job playing slimy guys [TS]

00:32:54   in general invested a fantastic job [TS]

00:32:56   playing that the government man who [TS]

00:32:58   comes John Mahoney is is the army [TS]

00:33:00   general he kind of dupes into the into [TS]

00:33:03   into believing that there's a giant bear [TS]

00:33:05   giant robot there which turns out there [TS]

00:33:07   is a giant robot there it and and so [TS]

00:33:10   then the Army's called and they're going [TS]

00:33:12   to destroy the robot they're gonna and [TS]

00:33:14   it gets dark they're going to the US [TS]

00:33:15   Army is going to nuke this seaside town [TS]

00:33:19   in Maine in order to protect the rest of [TS]

00:33:22   the country from this robot who is not [TS]

00:33:25   threatening anybody and uh and so the [TS]

00:33:29   robot has to save the day and and it's [TS]

00:33:31   just a and there's a their references [TS]

00:33:34   for superman and and the robot has [TS]

00:33:36   aspirations the robot is a killing [TS]

00:33:38   machine that is rethinking its [TS]

00:33:39   programming so there's kind of an [TS]

00:33:41   anti-war message and how even though [TS]

00:33:43   even people with weapons or robots who [TS]

00:33:45   are weapons can choose not to use them [TS]

00:33:47   which actually made me think a little [TS]

00:33:51   bit of war games when I when I watched [TS]

00:33:53   it seems like it's got a simple it's a [TS]

00:33:54   it's a an anti-war movie about weapons [TS]

00:33:59   anyway I think it's a fantastic movie [TS]

00:34:03   that is overlooked because it you know [TS]

00:34:06   it's not a Disney movie it's not a Pixar [TS]

00:34:08   movie kind of fell through the cracks [TS]

00:34:09   and and it and yet anybody who loved [TS]

00:34:12   pixar movies including including the [TS]

00:34:16   movies by brad bird really should check [TS]

00:34:22   out the iron giant I i do believe that [TS]

00:34:24   it is an animation classic that just is [TS]

00:34:27   not as widely known as it should be [TS]

00:34:29   because it was released by Warner [TS]

00:34:32   Brothers i think in kind of sunk beneath [TS]

00:34:33   the sea when it was initially released [TS]

00:34:36   but it is it has become a classic what [TS]

00:34:38   kind of animation is it is a computer [TS]

00:34:40   animators you know it sell it sell [TS]

00:34:41   hand-drawn cel animation to a lot of [TS]

00:34:43   talk about the Iron Giant is CG though [TS]

00:34:46   so that's one of the is one of the first [TS]

00:34:48   movies to use computer graphics in a in [TS]

00:34:51   a Cell drawn movie so they don't make it [TS]

00:34:53   doesn't see Jason she in the same way [TS]

00:34:55   that a lot about is Rama in futurama cg [TS]

00:34:57   it's a siege its 3d animation affecting [TS]

00:35:01   a 2d look exactly [TS]

00:35:03   yeah and that was one of the first [TS]

00:35:04   movies to do that and I think it works [TS]

00:35:06   extremely well because they chose to do [TS]

00:35:08   all the humans obviously and hand [TS]

00:35:11   drawings and all the backdrops more or [TS]

00:35:12   less it sometimes they do vehicles and [TS]

00:35:13   roads and camera pans with some 3d [TS]

00:35:15   romantic stuff but then the iron is [TS]

00:35:17   always 3d [TS]

00:35:19   and so he looks like the other and did [TS]

00:35:21   the big imposing thing I'm a and gives [TS]

00:35:23   that it's kinda like either use 3d and [TS]

00:35:25   futurama suffix so to draw in [TS]

00:35:28   traditional animation things with the [TS]

00:35:30   sweeping cinematic camera moves that [TS]

00:35:32   were used to nowadays it's very very [TS]

00:35:35   difficult to draw that in a way that [TS]

00:35:37   yeah that did you keep the perspective [TS]

00:35:39   exactly right and the things don't look [TS]

00:35:41   like they star becomes shape and whereas [TS]

00:35:43   if you do 3d model you know swing the [TS]

00:35:44   camera around all you want to the [TS]

00:35:46   whatever dramatic scenes and they take [TS]

00:35:47   advantage of that and that in this movie [TS]

00:35:49   doing those type of camera moves and it [TS]

00:35:51   and it makes the movie I remember him [TS]

00:35:54   when I originally saw this movie I think [TS]

00:35:55   I when I first came out it looks very [TS]

00:35:57   very different from any other animated [TS]

00:35:59   movie you've seen the same time you know [TS]

00:36:01   it looks like traditional cel animation [TS]

00:36:02   but it looks different and it's not and [TS]

00:36:04   it's not really it's not just the art [TS]

00:36:05   but it's also the setting this is this [TS]

00:36:07   is a movie about the Cold War and the [TS]

00:36:10   Red Menace and you know the fifties at [TS]

00:36:13   and an age that I don't think really [TS]

00:36:16   resonates with kids who heard it you [TS]

00:36:18   know when that movie come out it was a [TS]

00:36:20   1999 know seven or eight year old boy [TS]

00:36:23   has any idea about anything about the [TS]

00:36:25   fifties unless this is parents are [TS]

00:36:27   history nuts you know me right but it [TS]

00:36:30   resonates for people from the 50 so it's [TS]

00:36:32   kind of a shame like this is a movie [TS]

00:36:33   that like that like missed its audience [TS]

00:36:35   where people who lived through an error [TS]

00:36:37   i think would enjoy this movie but in my [TS]

00:36:38   experience people who live in that area [TS]

00:36:40   era are more dismissive animation movies [TS]

00:36:44   you know those like is the kids movies [TS]

00:36:46   like a cartoon or whatever this movie [TS]

00:36:48   it's a great kids movie and I showed it [TS]

00:36:50   to my children they enjoy it but they're [TS]

00:36:52   they're missing so many levels of this [TS]

00:36:53   movie I feel like this is a better movie [TS]

00:36:55   for adults who are you not to be a baby [TS]

00:37:00   were very cute baby over his kids of [TS]

00:37:02   baby boomers whoever can appreciate [TS]

00:37:03   animation without you know it at all [TS]

00:37:07   levels without dismissing it because its [TS]

00:37:09   animation because it really is it you [TS]

00:37:11   know you could do a live action version [TS]

00:37:14   this movie at with it with a different [TS]

00:37:15   tone and would you know like all this [TS]

00:37:17   such a serious important movie and the [TS]

00:37:19   Oscars were but because it's animations [TS]

00:37:20   like met you know some silly kids movie [TS]

00:37:22   right [TS]

00:37:23   yeah well also the giant robot but but [TS]

00:37:25   no i i i i agree with you i think that I [TS]

00:37:29   although given [TS]

00:37:31   it came out 99 I think that given how [TS]

00:37:34   much fear people felt in you know in the [TS]

00:37:39   decades that followed that the movie [TS]

00:37:41   might see more relevant than I think [TS]

00:37:43   everybody was feeling a little [TS]

00:37:44   comfortable in 1999 and the idea that [TS]

00:37:48   that you know the people are afraid and [TS]

00:37:50   the government is afraid and there's [TS]

00:37:51   paranoia only a few years later that [TS]

00:37:54   that feeling was back and i think it had [TS]

00:37:56   a little maybe more applicability than [TS]

00:37:58   it did when it was released I know this [TS]

00:38:01   is a little more symmetrical because the [TS]

00:38:03   whole business was the iron giant being [TS]

00:38:05   a weapon doesn't become weapon ice until [TS]

00:38:07   he's attacked and that was much more of [TS]

00:38:08   a cold war analogy and then the [TS]

00:38:11   terrorism and yeah but it has the [TS]

00:38:12   similar type of thing with people people [TS]

00:38:13   living in fear right the military people [TS]

00:38:15   you know being so afraid they're going [TS]

00:38:18   to nuke town on their own soil that but [TS]

00:38:20   there and indicates movie that actually [TS]

00:38:22   its plot point is we're gonna drop a [TS]

00:38:24   bomb on that's the thing like the big [TS]

00:38:26   the big climactic emotional moment [TS]

00:38:28   towards the end which lexus you seen [TS]

00:38:29   this movie i'm going to spoil another [TS]

00:38:30   one [TS]

00:38:31   it's okay i have not but I see it's the [TS]

00:38:33   only of the three that we've discussed [TS]

00:38:34   on is you know she's how well your honor [TS]

00:38:37   that you are the poster boy for I [TS]

00:38:38   haven't seen movies so I expected [TS]

00:38:40   through you but but not increase in any [TS]

00:38:42   way that the big emotional moment in [TS]

00:38:44   this movie for people of our age I don't [TS]

00:38:47   know if it's the same moment for kids [TS]

00:38:48   because i watch them during that scene I [TS]

00:38:50   think Jason knows what she's talking [TS]

00:38:51   about and it wasn't as affecting to them [TS]

00:38:53   that's why I feel so much that like this [TS]

00:38:56   movie works on so many deeper levels for [TS]

00:38:58   adults that it's like an iceberg like [TS]

00:39:01   the tip of the iceberg with sticking out [TS]

00:39:02   of the water is beautiful and [TS]

00:39:04   interesting and kids love it but this [TS]

00:39:05   whole other mass underneath the surface [TS]

00:39:07   that's there for adults if they're you [TS]

00:39:09   know if they're willing to give this [TS]

00:39:11   movie a shot and and yes you have to [TS]

00:39:13   kind of like look past the parts that [TS]

00:39:15   are there just for kids I don't think [TS]

00:39:17   it's as successful as a Pixar movie and [TS]

00:39:19   making sure that every single scene [TS]

00:39:20   every single line works for every single [TS]

00:39:21   member of the audience I yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:39:26   but it's but it's good it's it's it's [TS]

00:39:28   very good and if there are not a lot of [TS]

00:39:33   movies that will make me tier up every [TS]

00:39:38   single time i watch it and but the iron [TS]

00:39:42   giant does at the end [TS]

00:39:44   yeah i know it gets me it gets awfully [TS]

00:39:46   dusty in that room every time they [TS]

00:39:49   should put that little section and [TS]

00:39:50   especially since for the rest of the [TS]

00:39:51   movie you kinda like yeah I'm with this [TS]

00:39:53   movie you know it's not like you know [TS]

00:39:54   something like up which starts with a [TS]

00:39:55   punch in the gut you kind of know what [TS]

00:39:56   you're in for even something like Wally [TS]

00:39:58   that starts with like this beautiful you [TS]

00:39:59   know like this movie kind of suckers you [TS]

00:40:02   win and then again this is like got you [TS]

00:40:04   and that you know a little bit more like [TS]

00:40:05   all you got me again you know it sneaks [TS]

00:40:07   up on you [TS]

00:40:08   yeah yeah really don't because it starts [TS]

00:40:10   out and you're thinking oh this is just [TS]

00:40:11   another kid's movie it's you know [TS]

00:40:12   there's a mom and a kid and their-their [TS]

00:40:14   hand-drawn animated and it's like every [TS]

00:40:16   other animated movie that was made in [TS]

00:40:18   the eighties and nineties before the cgi [TS]

00:40:19   kind of movies took over and but it's [TS]

00:40:23   not right and then and if you're patient [TS]

00:40:26   it read the movie really unfolds [TS]

00:40:28   so yeah and and I think that it's only [TS]

00:40:30   unfolding for people who are her older [TS]

00:40:32   or more emotionally mature too because I [TS]

00:40:33   because otherwise like what are you what [TS]

00:40:35   are you getting worked up about like [TS]

00:40:36   plot-wise what's happening [TS]

00:40:38   fine but there's one against though it's [TS]

00:40:41   the boy's adventure of he's out yeah [TS]

00:40:43   it's going to mysterious thing and it's [TS]

00:40:45   their monster and the kids are worried [TS]

00:40:47   about the boy [TS]

00:40:48   eventually the kids are worried about [TS]

00:40:49   the iron giant things very quickly you [TS]

00:40:50   get on the side of the giant you know [TS]

00:40:52   like that it for the kids it's an [TS]

00:40:53   adventure story and they are concerned [TS]

00:40:55   for the people that care about being in [TS]

00:40:56   parallel you know right that would you [TS]

00:40:58   say let you know what what age is the [TS]

00:41:01   minimum age for appropriate because some [TS]

00:41:02   of these topics like you know [TS]

00:41:03   threatening the nooks and everything [TS]

00:41:05   else had a little bit scarier than like [TS]

00:41:07   a five-year-old friendly movie my pic I [TS]

00:41:09   it all depends on your on your kids my [TS]

00:41:12   kids are more comfortable with this at [TS]

00:41:15   four or five-year let myself think my [TS]

00:41:17   kids are pretty pretty sensitive and [TS]

00:41:18   they were comfortable with this movie [TS]

00:41:20   452 that's great [TS]

00:41:21   there's a lot of Menace intention will [TS]

00:41:23   watch it this week i think that the [TS]

00:41:25   nuclear stuff and that all that I mean [TS]

00:41:28   it's there [TS]

00:41:29   they're bad guys with guns and there's [TS]

00:41:31   some threatening but it's all abstract [TS]

00:41:33   and yeah it's surprisingly not not [TS]

00:41:36   worrisome in in a way that some other [TS]

00:41:38   movies might be so I think younger kids [TS]

00:41:40   will like it because it because they [TS]

00:41:42   don't identify with a boy and they left [TS]

00:41:44   the robot very cool alright who doesn't [TS]

00:41:46   love a robot [TS]

00:41:47   yeah he's a friendly ribbon is Vin [TS]

00:41:49   Diesel it's the best it's like that big [TS]

00:41:52   diesels Carly forward to play [TS]

00:41:54   Oh Garth it's um like I said it's the [TS]

00:41:59   only movie of these three that's [TS]

00:42:00   available to stream on netflix alright [TS]

00:42:03   so should we go around really quickly [TS]

00:42:05   and have another another set or or just [TS]

00:42:08   talk about movies that we we should have [TS]

00:42:10   talked about but didn't like what do you [TS]

00:42:11   have what what what other movie do you [TS]

00:42:13   have for us [TS]

00:42:14   mice um I'm not ashamed of this [TS]

00:42:17   collection either although i think it's [TS]

00:42:19   another unexpected one and I hear some [TS]

00:42:21   shame creeping into your voice already [TS]

00:42:23   there it is the 1995 Rosie O'Donnell to [TS]

00:42:27   me more [TS]

00:42:28   melanie griffith christina ricci hit now [TS]

00:42:32   when that basically the female stand by [TS]

00:42:33   me and the reason I pic now and then [TS]

00:42:35   over stand by me is what I actually [TS]

00:42:36   think the story and now and then is [TS]

00:42:38   better [TS]

00:42:38   all that was a pretty good pic stand by [TS]

00:42:40   me ok and to apply I thought I i think [TS]

00:42:43   it's i think that stand by me excuse [TS]

00:42:45   scary and I I'm very sensitive to scary [TS]

00:42:47   because i have a kid who's very [TS]

00:42:48   sensitive scary things I think that now [TS]

00:42:50   and that is overall much less scary when [TS]

00:42:51   there's topics that are way over her [TS]

00:42:52   head but it's I don't know now that is a [TS]

00:42:56   very sweet movie i think they did a very [TS]

00:42:58   nice job casting the adults with kids [TS]

00:43:00   you know they were really nice job [TS]

00:43:01   casting the kids to resemble and reflect [TS]

00:43:03   the personalities of the adults [TS]

00:43:04   oh I i know this movie I did not [TS]

00:43:07   recognize it from the title go on it [TS]

00:43:10   yeah but you know it's it's for [TS]

00:43:11   childhood friends you see them as [TS]

00:43:13   they're adults first and then you go [TS]

00:43:14   back and see them when they're young and [TS]

00:43:15   it's just their lives in the summer of [TS]

00:43:18   nineteen seventy and it's I don't know [TS]

00:43:20   it's it's it's very well done and [TS]

00:43:22   basically if you've seen a few scenes to [TS]

00:43:24   him by me it'sit's kind of that movie [TS]

00:43:25   only girls and but another dead body [TS]

00:43:30   there's well there's there's no dead [TS]

00:43:34   body [TS]

00:43:35   no suppose you're spoiling our stories [TS]

00:43:37   for our for Jason I haven't seen this [TS]

00:43:39   movie you notice how we don't care about [TS]

00:43:40   spoiling for the audience but somehow [TS]

00:43:42   spoiling it for people on the podcast [TS]

00:43:43   online there there's the audience knew [TS]

00:43:46   what they were getting into right [TS]

00:43:47   there's an intense séance seem that's [TS]

00:43:50   the sarkodie this movie is the séance [TS]

00:43:52   science but it's I don't know it's very [TS]

00:43:55   sweet [TS]

00:43:55   it's you know [TS]

00:43:57   i would say this is it you know it's not [TS]

00:43:59   exactly a tearjerker movie but the the [TS]

00:44:01   friendship feels very real you feel like [TS]

00:44:03   the girls must have been friends onset [TS]

00:44:04   if you're watching as an adult and I [TS]

00:44:06   don't know and it's there's a lot you [TS]

00:44:08   know the when John was before was [TS]

00:44:09   talking about how sometimes movies that [TS]

00:44:11   you appreciate it as a kid don't hold up [TS]

00:44:12   and i don't know i was i was 15 when it [TS]

00:44:16   came out so I wasn't so so young but [TS]

00:44:19   sometimes I noticed in movies that i [TS]

00:44:20   really liked that the when there's child [TS]

00:44:23   actors that the acting doesn't hold up [TS]

00:44:25   that you don't realize how bad you know [TS]

00:44:27   mary-kate and Ashley Olsen were at the [TS]

00:44:28   time but not there in this movie but the [TS]

00:44:32   the kid acting really holds up and I [TS]

00:44:34   mean really Wilson's it and she's always [TS]

00:44:36   really good i don't know i really like [TS]

00:44:38   it i think it's very sweet and it has [TS]

00:44:39   nice the girls learn nice lessons that I [TS]

00:44:42   like my girls to learn and I think it's [TS]

00:44:44   very very sweetly doesn't show my [TS]

00:44:46   ten-year-old daughter watches people [TS]

00:44:47   actually just kind of young adult almost [TS]

00:44:50   always stand by me is definitely young [TS]

00:44:51   adult and this is true that's just this [TS]

00:44:53   is closed too young to die just that [TS]

00:44:55   still counts as a kid but I i endorse [TS]

00:44:56   this movie too although i had not [TS]

00:44:58   remembered that existed until I pulled [TS]

00:45:00   up on stage and I realized yes I've seen [TS]

00:45:01   this many many times and I endorse this [TS]

00:45:03   selection even more than Shrek probably [TS]

00:45:05   why don't you it's it's very sweet [TS]

00:45:07   it's a very sweet movie and it's got [TS]

00:45:08   Hank Azaria to I just remembered him all [TS]

00:45:10   right now and then [TS]

00:45:13   yes all right John when I will continue [TS]

00:45:16   this theme with with a movie that i have [TS]

00:45:19   tried to show my daughter but my [TS]

00:45:21   daughter is four and she's not ready for [TS]

00:45:22   this movie and there is nothing scary in [TS]

00:45:25   this movie [TS]

00:45:26   well maybe her four-year-old this little [TS]

00:45:27   scene suspension but it's one of my [TS]

00:45:29   favorite movies as an adult one of my [TS]

00:45:31   wife favorite movies and yes i'm [TS]

00:45:33   cheating piece is not actually a movie [TS]

00:45:34   it's I don't know what you want to call [TS]

00:45:36   it a miniseries its its many hours but [TS]

00:45:39   it's not a television series and its I [TS]

00:45:42   don't know maybe his television series [TS]

00:45:43   people could tell me it's anna Green [TS]

00:45:46   Gables has anyone seen that the it's a [TS]

00:45:49   miniseries I'll get 40 it's it's because [TS]

00:45:52   it's not a TV series really it's a [TS]

00:45:54   miniseries that they play abs like a [TS]

00:45:56   really long movie right I think that's [TS]

00:45:58   fair that's based on the Lucy Maud [TS]

00:46:00   Montgomery books that I've never read [TS]

00:46:02   that my wife has read but if there's one [TS]

00:46:05   set of you know movies or TV show [TS]

00:46:08   whatever that I want that I think I [TS]

00:46:10   a young girl would like obviously older [TS]

00:46:12   than five [TS]

00:46:13   it's these because they're just it's [TS]

00:46:14   just a gentle sweet story about coming [TS]

00:46:16   of age for girl I it's supposed to I [TS]

00:46:20   don't know what year it takes places so [TS]

00:46:21   the nineteen hundreds 1905 or whatever [TS]

00:46:24   so things were different back then but [TS]

00:46:27   it manages not to be a sort of images [TS]

00:46:32   not to dwell on the difference between [TS]

00:46:33   gender roles now and then and has a [TS]

00:46:36   strong female character as the lead and [TS]

00:46:40   she comes of age and is you know [TS]

00:46:41   self-possessed intelligent confident her [TS]

00:46:47   of all there are obviously as a romance [TS]

00:46:49   angle her you know she goes on later and [TS]

00:46:51   of Avonlea of things to be successful in [TS]

00:46:54   her professional life doesn't spend your [TS]

00:46:56   time worrying about romance and boys and [TS]

00:47:00   stuff like that and and but and green [TS]

00:47:02   gables forget the and family which is [TS]

00:47:04   kind of more of young adult and green [TS]

00:47:05   gables has that she's an orphan she gets [TS]

00:47:08   adopted by these these are friendly [TS]

00:47:10   older people and there's some you know [TS]

00:47:12   things that happened there that are [TS]

00:47:14   somewhat dramatic but just it's [TS]

00:47:16   basically a series of vignettes it's a [TS]

00:47:17   lot like a little house on the prairie [TS]

00:47:19   which I have a feeling that everyone [TS]

00:47:21   back and watched I would find doesn't [TS]

00:47:23   hold up as well as I thought I did my [TS]

00:47:24   sister loves left my free to yeah [TS]

00:47:26   but-but-but I am gables and evidently i [TS]

00:47:29   have seen in my adult life and I really [TS]

00:47:31   believe they do hold up and I just think [TS]

00:47:33   they're beautiful sweet little stories [TS]

00:47:34   and i can't wait until my daughter is [TS]

00:47:36   old enough to watch them and appreciate [TS]

00:47:38   them the way I do [TS]

00:47:39   wikipedia agrees with you referring to [TS]

00:47:41   it as a TV movie but it's got a running [TS]

00:47:43   time of a hundred ninety nine minutes so [TS]

00:47:45   it was generally aired into but it sure [TS]

00:47:47   I think you can call that I very long [TS]

00:47:48   movie and it was released theatrically [TS]

00:47:50   all 3 at wrigley in Europe Israel and [TS]

00:47:54   Japan so there it's a film John did you [TS]

00:47:56   watch the the 2008 release that [TS]

00:47:59   wikipedia talks about the fourth in the [TS]

00:48:01   series and of Green Gables a new [TS]

00:48:02   beginning I was aware that existed I [TS]

00:48:04   believe I may have tried to watch a few [TS]

00:48:06   minutes of it and then ran away and [TS]

00:48:08   discuss similar to a neverending story [TS]

00:48:09   part but it has this great line [TS]

00:48:11   wikipedia the film is both the sequel [TS]

00:48:13   and a prequel to soul of astrology I [TS]

00:48:15   mean that to me is because it's it's the [TS]

00:48:16   neverending story [TS]

00:48:18   it's just yeah no that's good that's [TS]

00:48:22   great when I that came out a little [TS]

00:48:23   seeing this one have not seen it this [TS]

00:48:25   one I don't have the heart heartily [TS]

00:48:27   recommend her daughter holding in 10 [TS]

00:48:29   maybe she's too mature for now we'll [TS]

00:48:33   find it went being babyish but I give it [TS]

00:48:36   a try if it sticks that she like Little [TS]

00:48:38   House on the Prairie have an exposure to [TS]

00:48:39   that she's real I think she read a [TS]

00:48:41   couple of books so yeah I will give it a [TS]

00:48:43   shot i'll report back and try watching [TS]

00:48:46   yourself it's gonna seem like it's I [TS]

00:48:48   don't know it you have you have to have [TS]

00:48:50   a certain temperament I hate to sound [TS]

00:48:51   sexist but it's this people say this [TS]

00:48:54   movies and it girls but I really like [TS]

00:48:56   this movie i'm definitely not a girl and [TS]

00:48:58   I i think it's great for boys as well [TS]

00:49:00   but you do have to we're talking about [TS]

00:49:04   Kiki but I think there's a certain [TS]

00:49:05   mindset you have to begin to appreciate [TS]

00:49:07   this movie as an adult and it's a good [TS]

00:49:10   mindset to get into it's not a check [TS]

00:49:12   your brain to the door mindset so we're [TS]

00:49:13   gonna try your side with my wife [TS]

00:49:15   I'm looking forward to it my second [TS]

00:49:18   selection i'm going to i'm going to be a [TS]

00:49:21   proxy for Monty Ashley who could not be [TS]

00:49:23   here tonight he basically forgot [TS]

00:49:26   shame shame auntie but I was with his in [TS]

00:49:29   your selection Monty wanted to to talk [TS]

00:49:32   about this movie and it was on my list [TS]

00:49:34   as well which is the muppet movie the [TS]

00:49:36   original original Muppet movie which is [TS]

00:49:39   it's a movie with puppets and they're [TS]

00:49:42   funny and they they do songs and some of [TS]

00:49:45   the songs are sweet and some of the [TS]

00:49:46   songs are wacky and there are celebrity [TS]

00:49:49   cameos and you know already from the 70 [TS]

00:49:53   yeah they're corneal from the seventies [TS]

00:49:55   and before ya up there are corny jokes [TS]

00:49:58   and you know what I've watched this [TS]

00:50:01   movie a couple of times with my kids and [TS]

00:50:03   everybody seems to have a good time [TS]

00:50:05   it's just it's a sweet movie it's got [TS]

00:50:08   some some jokes that I probably like [TS]

00:50:11   more than i should just because I have [TS]

00:50:13   such fond memories of seeing this movie [TS]

00:50:15   when I was a kid but um and and of [TS]

00:50:18   course the moment that was a kid that [TS]

00:50:20   blew my mind and I think I mentioned [TS]

00:50:21   this in a previous podcast is that [TS]

00:50:23   moment where you see Kermit the Frog [TS]

00:50:24   riding his bicycle and you see his legs [TS]

00:50:27   moving pushing the devil's little that's [TS]

00:50:30   foreshadowing is [TS]

00:50:31   far as a major it's a major plot point [TS]

00:50:33   where frogs legs could be importantly so [TS]

00:50:35   if you had said frog leg with Kermit [TS]

00:50:37   safe because he doesn't have legs [TS]

00:50:38   release we've never seen ya what Charles [TS]

00:50:40   Durning looks happy 6a pop yeah yeah [TS]

00:50:44   Charles turning a fine role as doc [TS]

00:50:47   hopper there's a giant you know what a [TS]

00:50:50   giant beaker runs rampant you know [TS]

00:50:53   it'sit's and it and it's also got a [TS]

00:50:56   story within a story right because it [TS]

00:50:58   ends up that the movie is telling the [TS]

00:50:59   story of the movie and it's very [TS]

00:51:01   confusing [TS]

00:51:02   yeah that was that was little [TS]

00:51:03   mind-blowing is good i remember that was [TS]

00:51:05   like it's not even like a [TS]

00:51:06   straightforward framing story it's like [TS]

00:51:07   meta storytelling like what's going on [TS]

00:51:10   this movie is the movie i'm watching the [TS]

00:51:12   movie you're watching the movie of the [TS]

00:51:14   movie was just a movie of the movie the [TS]

00:51:15   movie it's one of those pictures it's [TS]

00:51:17   got a picture of itself and it just [TS]

00:51:18   keeps going infinitely so anyway the [TS]

00:51:22   muppet movie I what else can you say [TS]

00:51:25   that I i love it [TS]

00:51:26   The Muppets are are there they're hard [TS]

00:51:30   to define their their their own thing [TS]

00:51:32   it's the you know how many puppet movie [TS]

00:51:35   french spices exist out there about the [TS]

00:51:38   dollar store which also could have [TS]

00:51:40   listed an elaborate those the two other [TS]

00:51:42   ones that cover speaking of puppet [TS]

00:51:43   movies and Jim Henson yeah and they're [TS]

00:51:45   there are other good Muppet fine Muppet [TS]

00:51:48   movies too but the muppet movie i think [TS]

00:51:50   is and i haven't seen the new one so i [TS]

00:51:52   can I was about to ask i haven't watched [TS]

00:51:54   the old ones get real the real voices [TS]

00:51:57   yeah you know that's true that this is [TS]

00:51:58   the this is your your jim hansen and [TS]

00:52:00   Frank Oz and right if I think that's [TS]

00:52:03   that is the challenge with today is that [TS]

00:52:05   they all sound like they have head colds [TS]

00:52:06   at best [TS]

00:52:07   yeah yeah well how do you rank the other [TS]

00:52:11   movies can you speak to that really [TS]

00:52:12   because my favorite is always been the [TS]

00:52:13   muppets take manhattan but you're going [TS]

00:52:15   back to the original I feel like the [TS]

00:52:17   original one is to like certainly my [TS]

00:52:19   kids would enjoy that i should show it [TS]

00:52:21   to them because the Muppets are just [TS]

00:52:23   inherently funny but I feel like they [TS]

00:52:25   wouldn't have a clear understanding of [TS]

00:52:27   what the heck is happening in the story [TS]

00:52:28   especially because you know they're [TS]

00:52:29   watching it at home and not in a movie [TS]

00:52:30   theater but when ya don't think it [TS]

00:52:32   matters because it's just kind of you [TS]

00:52:34   know a frog and a bear and a Studebaker [TS]

00:52:36   going across the country having [TS]

00:52:38   adventures and there's big bird and then [TS]

00:52:40   they are in a church for a while and [TS]

00:52:41   minutes like a I mean it's like a road [TS]

00:52:43   movie it's a caper [TS]

00:52:44   it's a series of unconnected and random [TS]

00:52:47   events and bear left right frog and [TS]

00:52:50   speakers which is the best of elements [TS]

00:52:52   have you know a road trip and big bird [TS]

00:52:54   and unconnected randomness i will say i [TS]

00:52:57   wouldn't put it on my list of the best [TS]

00:52:59   but a very good Muppet friendly movie is [TS]

00:53:01   is follow that bird when big bird gets [TS]

00:53:04   lost man to find a big and it's it's [TS]

00:53:06   really well done [TS]

00:53:07   all right just throw that out there ok I [TS]

00:53:09   to answer your question in my mind the [TS]

00:53:12   movie is without peer [TS]

00:53:14   and then there are many of perfectly [TS]

00:53:16   fine [TS]

00:53:17   Muppet productions after that I i I've [TS]

00:53:23   rarely seen them up a movie that I [TS]

00:53:24   didn't find you know least worth my time [TS]

00:53:27   to watch it because there are things you [TS]

00:53:29   can find in some of them i found to be [TS]

00:53:30   pretty good but in my mind this is the [TS]

00:53:33   one that's the definitive one now I [TS]

00:53:35   tried to show this to my kids and I [TS]

00:53:38   think the missing they they seem not to [TS]

00:53:40   be engaged by it as much as I thought [TS]

00:53:42   they would and I think the main problem [TS]

00:53:43   is that i grew up watching them up and [TS]

00:53:46   show every single night it was almost [TS]

00:53:47   like my ritual right and you become [TS]

00:53:50   something like see you I want right from [TS]

00:53:51   Sesame Street smooth transition directly [TS]

00:53:53   into the muppet show which is like on [TS]

00:53:55   right before my bedtime right right so [TS]

00:53:56   I'm so invested in the muppets the world [TS]

00:53:59   of them up with these characters that [TS]

00:54:00   seeing them in a movie it's like you [TS]

00:54:02   know wow [TS]

00:54:02   and now there's a whole movie of puppets [TS]

00:54:04   and it was just but if you've never seen [TS]

00:54:05   them up as before with my kids didn't [TS]

00:54:07   because they hadn't spent a lot of time [TS]

00:54:09   with sesame street and had never seen [TS]

00:54:11   them up and show it all [TS]

00:54:12   it was like what why should I care about [TS]

00:54:14   these characters and I guess I didn't it [TS]

00:54:16   didn't it didn't hook into them [TS]

00:54:17   yeah there's a business context there [TS]

00:54:20   when we saw Kermit singing in the swamp [TS]

00:54:22   like you know in the rainbow connection [TS]

00:54:23   and all that you know like that we we [TS]

00:54:26   already were on board with come around [TS]

00:54:28   the karma train already I but with my [TS]

00:54:30   kids to like yes what am I you know why [TS]

00:54:33   do I care about this frog [TS]

00:54:34   yeah yeah i know i think if you were to [TS]

00:54:39   plot making your children love the [TS]

00:54:41   Muppets you would need to start with the [TS]

00:54:43   muppet row which is a lot easier love [TS]

00:54:46   like you sketch comedy yeah stick you [TS]

00:54:49   know right up their alley right all the [TS]

00:54:51   celebrity appearances are again not [TS]

00:54:52   perhaps have have the you know I think [TS]

00:54:55   when you're a kid I I don't think you [TS]

00:54:56   care right it's like well [TS]

00:54:58   our car goes on there so they can have [TS]

00:54:59   this episode's right and saying look [TS]

00:55:01   look how young is surprised you didn't [TS]

00:55:03   choose luke from The Muppet Show in your [TS]

00:55:05   character draft I well not to disparage [TS]

00:55:10   more camels acting ability but you're [TS]

00:55:12   gonna pick one actor from the Star Wars [TS]

00:55:13   saga with Harry go with Harrison Ford ok [TS]

00:55:16   I'm ok with you he could have been awash [TS]

00:55:17   I guess because remember it was casting [TS]

00:55:19   right firefly right I got that would [TS]

00:55:22   have been funny but before we go I want [TS]

00:55:24   to go around and just see I know we've [TS]

00:55:25   got some other movies that we didn't [TS]

00:55:27   mention let's uh not to stave off some [TS]

00:55:30   of the angry emails say why didn't you [TS]

00:55:33   mention this and mention a few more if [TS]

00:55:36   you've got any any others on your list [TS]

00:55:38   that you didn't get a chance to talk [TS]

00:55:39   about now is your chance to just throw [TS]

00:55:41   him out there Lex what you have [TS]

00:55:43   well I i mentioned it be some of the [TS]

00:55:44   beginning but the two that you've done [TS]

00:55:46   shows about that I really I i haven't [TS]

00:55:48   shown either to my kids yet but I'm [TS]

00:55:49   eager to our back to the future trilogy [TS]

00:55:51   and the princess bride because i like [TS]

00:55:53   those movies can't I like the movies now [TS]

00:55:55   and I think they're gonna really like [TS]

00:55:56   them to my kids like the princess bride [TS]

00:55:58   and we have watched the first two back [TS]

00:56:00   to the future movies and thats not [TS]

00:56:02   pretty well those repeat those RPG and I [TS]

00:56:04   i have to point out to my daughter you [TS]

00:56:06   know [TS]

00:56:07   yeah they said a bad word there but you [TS]

00:56:10   know but we're going threw him out there [TS]

00:56:12   they are and they're enjoyable why my [TS]

00:56:14   son wants a hoverboard now so mission [TS]

00:56:16   accomplished you know they exist but the [TS]

00:56:18   toy the toilet won't let him sell them [TS]

00:56:20   yeah yeah that's what I hear John what [TS]

00:56:24   about you [TS]

00:56:24   I already threw out the only with you I [TS]

00:56:26   had a labyrinth of the Dark Crystal both [TS]

00:56:29   of which are also a little bit intense [TS]

00:56:30   and scary and our kind of the meeting I [TS]

00:56:34   don't think dark crystal holds up as [TS]

00:56:35   well as I thought it would but again for [TS]

00:56:37   because it's so dark and crystally I [TS]

00:56:39   guess I i like i like expose my kids [TS]

00:56:42   stuff like that when I think they're [TS]

00:56:43   ready and labyrinth I I like as a good [TS]

00:56:46   strong female protagonist to isn't so [TS]

00:56:48   strong in the beginning and find [TS]

00:56:50   strength right it's not as it's not the [TS]

00:56:51   feminist fairy tale that it really could [TS]

00:56:53   be but it's it's very amusing and also [TS]

00:56:55   as a little bit sinister and it's got a [TS]

00:56:57   kind of a scary David Bowie in their [TS]

00:56:58   right mind third that I that I would [TS]

00:57:01   like to mention even though it wasn't [TS]

00:57:03   one of my first two selections is babe a [TS]

00:57:06   movie about a pig that learns to be a [TS]

00:57:09   sheepdog [TS]

00:57:10   I you know I love this movie [TS]

00:57:14   it's kid-friendly it's a little scary in [TS]

00:57:17   the sense that it does mention that [TS]

00:57:19   people eat animals but you know they do [TS]

00:57:22   and and so it's it needs to be known [TS]

00:57:26   james cromwell great performance it is [TS]

00:57:29   the problem with babe is that babe led [TS]

00:57:31   to a slew of computer graphic enhanced [TS]

00:57:35   talking animal movies the most if not [TS]

00:57:38   all of which are terrible but babe [TS]

00:57:41   itself i have to say it is it is like an [TS]

00:57:44   animated movie it except it is live [TS]

00:57:46   action with some CG it is weird and [TS]

00:57:50   silly and a fairy tale about a pig that [TS]

00:57:53   learns to purge sheep by talking to them [TS]

00:57:56   and recently with them and asking them [TS]

00:57:58   nicely if they wouldn't mind being [TS]

00:57:59   herded and it's a it's adorable and I [TS]

00:58:02   just showed this to my son about a month [TS]

00:58:03   ago and he got a-you got a real kick out [TS]

00:58:06   of it so I i love that movie too [TS]

00:58:08   kids love animal movies yeah you know [TS]

00:58:10   it's it's you know you mentioned animals [TS]

00:58:12   i had considered putting chicken run on [TS]

00:58:14   my list but i decided to doesn't hold up [TS]

00:58:15   as well either wallace and gromit yeah [TS]

00:58:17   that whole that whole you know [TS]

00:58:20   arbonne animation world I've shown my [TS]

00:58:21   kids and they really do love it but a [TS]

00:58:22   lot of the I don't know if kids get [TS]

00:58:25   whimsy [TS]

00:58:25   I don't think they do so then that's [TS]

00:58:27   right out the window at them and a lot [TS]

00:58:29   of the charm the British charm they [TS]

00:58:31   don't have a cultural context for and [TS]

00:58:33   finally I think a lot of the lot of [TS]

00:58:35   humor like a grommets expressions with [TS]

00:58:39   his eyebrows are expressing feelings [TS]

00:58:41   that they don't get relate to yes but [TS]

00:58:44   but they put they enjoy it just on the [TS]

00:58:45   level of like oh you know there's a [TS]

00:58:47   little dog in this slapstick also showed [TS]

00:58:49   my kids recently shown the sheep and the [TS]

00:58:50   state looks really i was going to say [TS]

00:58:52   have you sit should kiss on the sheet [TS]

00:58:53   because my kids love love insanely love [TS]

00:58:57   Shaun the Sheep which is also argument [TS]

00:58:59   yeah and that's it's it's basically like [TS]

00:59:01   a silent movie shown the shape is not [TS]

00:59:03   there's no there's and the animals don't [TS]

00:59:06   talk [TS]

00:59:06   they just go about their business and do [TS]

00:59:09   their little slapstick think so yeah [TS]

00:59:10   they love those [TS]

00:59:11   alright so i think we've reached the end [TS]

00:59:13   of our time but i think given the fact [TS]

00:59:17   that we had many people say they would [TS]

00:59:19   do this and disappear at the last minute [TS]

00:59:21   it was just the three of us I think we [TS]

00:59:22   can put some great selections things [TS]

00:59:23   that I haven't [TS]

00:59:24   racine which actually excites me because [TS]

00:59:26   I can go and watch those and show those [TS]

00:59:27   to my kids [TS]

00:59:28   now that is called them for you well I [TS]

00:59:30   will not be surprised when the horse [TS]

00:59:32   sinks into the don't i won't i won't be [TS]

00:59:35   scared either [TS]

00:59:36   now i might have to hold my wife's hand [TS]

00:59:38   part just because already so why did you [TS]

00:59:41   show this to our kids [TS]

00:59:42   yeah what are you doing it's jhanjar get [TS]

00:59:44   my bleep John show and she'll say you [TS]

00:59:48   always blame him for everything you just [TS]

00:59:50   not possible [TS]

00:59:53   alright so this is great we should [TS]

00:59:55   probably do this again sometime because [TS]

00:59:57   there is an endless supply of and I [TS]

00:59:59   think [TS]

00:59:59   think [TS]

01:00:00   for people who are either in that [TS]

01:00:01   childlike frame of mind as you said John [TS]

01:00:03   or have kids and are wondering what they [TS]

01:00:05   should show them I think coming up with [TS]

01:00:07   suggestions and talking about them a [TS]

01:00:08   little bit [TS]

01:00:09   there's a lot of fun so we should do it [TS]

01:00:10   again sometime anyway so until our next [TS]

01:00:14   edition of the incomparable I want to [TS]

01:00:15   thank everybody for listening i want to [TS]

01:00:17   thank my guess [TS]

01:00:18   Lex Friedman thank you for being here [TS]

01:00:20   and coming with such interesting and [TS]

01:00:22   delightful suggestions [TS]

01:00:24   thank you always a pleasure i was [TS]

01:00:26   interested and delighted you see and [TS]

01:00:28   John siracusa thank you very much for [TS]

01:00:30   coming as well thanks jason and i hope [TS]

01:00:32   you remain a child at heart [TS]

01:00:34   always always and thanks to everybody [TS]

01:00:38   for listening for the uncomfortable [TS]

01:00:40   understand snow will see you next time [TS]

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