The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incontrovertible contest number 74 [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► january 2008 well welcome back to the [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► incomparable podcast I'm your host Jason [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► smell our topic today is movies for kids [TS]

00:00:21 ◼   ► kids movies we love and joining me today [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► are my guess [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► Lex Friedman hi Lex hi how are you I'm [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► doing well you have children i do I have [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► three and you were once a child yourself [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► where you're not as I recall I was okay [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► good thank you no further questions for [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► now another gasps John siracusa hi John [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► hello jason i made it you made it it's [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► good to have you here you have two [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► children i do and also wants a child [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► yourself that's what they'd only oh [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► that's right there are the dye is there [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► documentation for its is this a couple [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► of Polaroids that's it alright fair [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► enough we'll take that that's that's [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► physical evidence so I guess we should [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► start with but let's start with the [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► rules right we have a list of of things [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► we have to talk about we have talked [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► about what kids movie is and how we [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► define that and then we also have some [TS]

00:01:13 ◼   ► movies that we're not going to talk [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► about because we've covered them before [TS]

00:01:16 ◼   ► or we might be covering in in the near [TS]

00:01:18 ◼   ► future so to start I think we should [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► talk about what a kids movie is I mean I [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► i define this as movies that i would [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► like to watch with my kids I that I [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► think are of good quality that I enjoy [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► watching but that they also enjoy [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► watching I i tried to steer away from [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► movies that the kids don't like the [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► things that I find appalling that my [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► children do like because I would like I [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► would like it to be a family experience [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► where everybody find something that they [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► value does that sound about right what [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► do you have with you guys to find this [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► it's interesting that you said that [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► because you know we did not speak about [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► this before the show and my definition [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► was going to be [TS]

00:01:55 ◼   ► interestingly almost exactly the same [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► like before add kids i would have had [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► one definition of kids movie but now my [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► definition of a kids movie is basically [TS]

00:02:02 ◼   ► a movie that i want to show my children [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► it's something that of course I think [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► they'll enjoy it won't be too intense [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► for them or whatever but also a good [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► quality we like it you know i think my [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► kids need to see this move [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► because it's not just something trashy [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► think they'll like like you know I don't [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► know what your examples of horrible [TS]

00:02:19 ◼   ► things that children do like but that [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► you think is an adult horrible these are [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► the movies that i want to show them so [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► that's yeah that's basically my [TS]

00:02:26 ◼   ► definition of a kids movie today is [TS]

00:02:28 ◼   ► something that I really want my kids to [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► see and you hope that they like it and [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► enjoy it i would only add a to piggyback [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► there that it's it's gotta be something [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► that I'm willing to have them watch [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► multiple times and quote and reference [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► all the time because my kids if they [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► really liked the movie will ask to see [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► it repeatedly so it's gotta be something [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► that I think will withstand repeated [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► viewings for my own sanity in addition [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► to their enjoyment and the definition [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► for like when I was a kid that's a lot [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► of overlap with that but some pre [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► children were so what's the kid's movie [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► i would say well there it would be the [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► movie that i have fond memories of [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► seeing as a child and there's a big [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► overlap with that usually of this I [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► movie that i liked as a kid I something [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► that I want to show my children but [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► there are exceptions of the things that [TS]

00:03:08 ◼   ► I may have fond memories of as a kid but [TS]

00:03:10 ◼   ► now as an adult either when I we're [TS]

00:03:12 ◼   ► rewatching even without rewatching i [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► know that you know in hindsight that was [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► just garbage and really has no redeeming [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► value and I see no reason to expose my [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► kids to it right now I'm not a movie but [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► I call about the scooby-doo factors i [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► watched a lot of scooby-doo when I was a [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► kid I saw an episode you know five years [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► ago 10 years ago and was absolutely [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► appalled at how awful it was on all [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► fronts the everything about it was awful [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► and I now think there's some stuff that [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► I don't even want to see from my [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► childhood because I hold it in in such [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► high regard in my memory and I know that [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► if I look back and it's going to take [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► some things are better left to the [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► memories of your childhood [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► alright so we should also talk I think [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► we've got a pretty good working [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► definition of what we're calling a kids [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► movie we should talk about things that [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► we have already talked about we have [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► done a couple of podcast about pixar [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► although there's there there's probably [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► more we could say about it maybe we will [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► when the next pixar film comes out but [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► we're not going to talk about pixar [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► movies tonight because I we could this [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► could just turn into another pixar [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► podcast if we did that so suffice it to [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► say I think gentlemen that Pixar movies [TS]

00:04:19 ◼   ► are good in large part and and we're [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► just gonna cite that and say yes they [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► are and and you can listen to our to [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► podcast about pics [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► or if you'd like to hear more right [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► where the pics are limitations not in [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► place my selection tonight would [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► certainly be a Pixar movie right and all [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► the good things we said about pixar on [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► that pixar episode assume that they all [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► apply also to children because pretty [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► much all those movies are suitable for [TS]

00:04:40 ◼   ► children and pretty much suitable for [TS]

00:04:42 ◼   ► children of all ages and all [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► temperaments with the possible exception [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► of like maybe the incredibles and maybe [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► monsters inc for kids who are afraid of [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► monsters right as some kids are i'm also [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► going to say we're not going to talk [TS]

00:04:54 ◼   ► about Star Wars even though we've talked [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► about the Star Wars movies a lot and I [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► think kids enjoy them and adults enjoy [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► them but we've talked about the link so [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► we won't talk about them and will [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► continue to do so in future podcast and [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► we will [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► yes at least return the Jedi are not [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► quite sure what happens after that but [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► yes we will talk more about Star Wars [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► and let's see what else we did an [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► episode about the princess bride so I [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► even though i think that's a movie that [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► kids and parents can watch and enjoy [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► their own levels we already talked about [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► it so we shouldn't bring it up again [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► other than right now agreed agreed [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► alright and what does that leave us with [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► miyazaki one of the things i wanted to [TS]

00:05:36 ◼   ► do actually was talking about [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► kiki's delivery service for this episode [TS]

00:05:41 ◼   ► and jon said wait wait no no we should [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► do a whole episode about miyazaki and I [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► he convinced me we should do that and so [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► we will do that we get a whole episode [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► just on Kiki's Delivery the reasons i'm [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► concerned but that may be a little bit [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► too intense for the biggest so yeah yeah [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► yeah so we will offer yes we'll do some [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► miyazaki in the future so we're going to [TS]

00:06:03 ◼   ► take the miyazaki stuff off the table [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► but yes John John and I could probably [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► do a couple hours about keys to recovery [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► service so and and totoro possibly two [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► so what we'll leave that for for a [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► future podcast so now that we've talked [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► about what we're not going to talk about [TS]

00:06:20 ◼   ► and the subject matter i guess we should [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► go around and talk about some kids [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► movies we love we've got into the heart [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► of it [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► Lex tell me about tell me your selection [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► so I'm gonna I'm gonna lead in with some [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► that failed to make the cut very briefly [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► however awhile flight of the navigator [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► was my my top choice flatter than ever [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► Gator being one of my early [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► introductions to time travel was that [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► back to the future which we've also done [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► an episode about but flight of the [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► navigator involves a boy who wakes up [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► and it's five or so years in the future [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► from when he went to sleep [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► he's reunited with his family and they [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► have to understand what happened in paul [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► rubens in the movie [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► well he's a voice in the movie and it's [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► a live-action movie with a robotic voice [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► involved it's even a blew my mind as a [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► kid my problem is it's still good on [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► repeat viewings but it is very dated [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► visually and dialogue usually and it [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► doesn't hold up very well so I decided [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► my kids would not have the patience to [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► sit through all the flight of the [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► navigator [TS]

00:07:19 ◼   ► I would pick the princess bride but [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► rules preclude me from doing so and i [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► gave heavy thought my most controversial [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► rejection i think to galaxy quest which [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► was originally conceived as an art movie [TS]

00:07:30 ◼   ► the tim allen horny Weaver star trek [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► sort of parody movie but they decided it [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► would do better as a family movie and [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► edit it down to a PG thing and you can [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► even see the mouth saying very bad words [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► when the audio is dubbed in saying much [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► nicer words instead but I decided that [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► since it's really you know it's a family [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► movie and not as much of a kids movie [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► that it didn't deserve to be here so [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► that preface in mind i went with since I [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► couldn't choose pixar I choose the the [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► next best thing I went with Shrek I [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► think that dreamworks does a lot of [TS]

00:08:01 ◼   ► mediocre at best kids animated movies of [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► that sort but I feel like the original [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► shrek the first one and the first one [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► only they really sort of nailed a unique [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► niche of parodying the stories the kids [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► are very familiar with by this time [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► really making still very lovable [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► characters having a very good sort of [TS]

00:08:20 ◼   ► moral and having a great pics are asking [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► two-tiered storyline where things are [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► really geared for and very [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► understandable and very clear to kids [TS]

00:08:31 ◼   ► you know what's happening who the good [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► guys are who the bad guys are and what [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► to root for [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► but at the same time being very [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► entertaining to parents we're watching [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► as well [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► Shrek I've sky little skeptical [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► okay well we're all pixar stops here so [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► we're already looking down her nose at [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► your selection is like allow you know I [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► was [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► good for DreamWorks move see but what [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► where I think that pic that dreamworks [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► really succeeded with track was that it [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► was they could get away with not being [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► as good as pixar because in many ways it [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► was parroting a lot of what Pixar's all [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► about you know Peck you know they they [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► had a disney ask place to parody and [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► they you know they had these characters [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► who were anything but lovable you know [TS]

00:09:14 ◼   ► shrek is literally an ogre and his love [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► interest turns into one as well spoiler [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► alert [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► yeah but i mean i think it's probably [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► Eddie Murphy's best work since the [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► nineteen eighties in his role as the [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► donkey and you know it's mike myers is I [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► like mike myers more the early nineties [TS]

00:09:36 ◼   ► than I did when he did this movie which [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► came out in 2001 and he was actually as [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► you may know filling in for Chris Farley [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► who had already started recording the [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► role of shrek but then died during the [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► process and had to be replaced but i [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► think mike myers a very good job he [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► gives a lot of heart and emotion to [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► shrek I think Cameron Diaz a good job [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► and I and the reason i think it's i mean [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► i agree if I could pick a Pixar movie i [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► think i would pick monsters inc which i [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► think is one of the best movies ever [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► made but the shrek can get away like I [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► said with being a little bit on the you [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► know maybe not quite as good or as quite [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► as polished as your typical pixar film [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► would be because of its sense of humor [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► it's a very different sense of humor [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► from every other every other dreamworks [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► movie and it's a very different sense of [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► humor from what pics are usually goes [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► for it's got a different kind of heart [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► and it'sit's aware of its own faults and [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► it's proud of them and it so it it [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► doesn't mind and i don't know i really [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► feel like the storytelling in shrek is [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► very well paced the characters are very [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► fun to get into the the you know the [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► scary characters Lord Farquaad John [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► Lithgow's voice of being 15 aren't very [TS]

00:10:44 ◼   ► intimidating every any character that [TS]

00:10:46 ◼   ► could scare you they've done something [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► to make it not scary you know Lord [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► Farquaad being very small and ridiculous [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► 41 and it's in the you know the dragon [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► that you think maybe you're supposed to [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► be scared of turns out to be really nice [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► and falls in love with the donkey so I [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► to me what makes it works so nicely is [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► for kids you know my kids especially my [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► oldest is five and she gets terrified of [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► everything you know if there's a witch [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► in an episode of dora the explorer she [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► runs from the room but she can get [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► through shrek without panicking because [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► of its sense of humor in the way treats [TS]

00:11:17 ◼   ► its scary moments and she loves the [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► funny moments and their slapstick and [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► there's thinking humor and there's [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► really funny setups and confusion and [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► all sorts of things that I feel like are [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► really very well paced and very well [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► structured for a kid's enjoyment you [TS]

00:11:32 ◼   ► find a pickup on the cultural references [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► not it was not nearly as bad as for [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► example robin williams and aladdin but [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► there are a lot of jokes and gags and [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► shrek that are of their time sort of the [TS]

00:11:43 ◼   ► edges that do find your kids missing [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► that or does if they miss it doesn't [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► take away from the movie it's it's the [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► latter when they're definitely missing [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► it i mean there's there's jokes that [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► certainly go over your head their heads [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► when they're watching Trek and they just [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► have you know no idea that they don't [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► even recognize that they're missing this [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► it's the nice thing is the references [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► are done in a way that leave you [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► confused about what am i missing right [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► now you just have no idea that there's [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► even a reference being made I think [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► that's even true on the you know with [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► with Pixar films where you know there's [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► there's where's Jenny joke that's for [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► the adults it you don't realize that [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► you're missing the joke if you're the [TS]

00:12:15 ◼   ► kid who just are continuing to be [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► entertained by the parts that appeal to [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► you but it's not like cultural [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► references like where Robin Williams is [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► doing you know what's this is William F [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► Buckley yeah we're even or even whatever [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► really big show [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► what's that guy's name it Sullivan yeah [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► i'm going to doing that impression I [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► mean kitty I didn't you know I barely [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► knew who had sold was my chemistry [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► classes are as all the stalker right [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► kids did have no idea what that [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► impressed me i'm not sure and a little [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► kids then it's gonna sail right over [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► their heads my concern always with Shrek [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► movies it is that those like with Latin [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► they are baking it feels like there's a [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► freshness date on the movie and I i [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► remember at the time thinking really is [TS]

00:12:55 ◼   ► this the right way to do this because [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► pics are always and we mentioned this in [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► pixar podcast always seems to be [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► shooting for a timeless classic and [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► trying to trying to have it be something [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► that in 10 or 15 years it won't seem [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► dated and with Shrek they you know and I [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► think Jeffrey Katzenberg has something [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► to do with us he was behind Aladdin when [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► he was at Disney and obviously was one [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► of the [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► the three founders of dreamworks it I [TS]

00:13:19 ◼   ► felt like with Shrek that same feeling [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► of like well we're going to be current [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► we're gonna go in the theater with [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► topical references and I don't think [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► kids are going to be confused by it but [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► personally I look at that movie and [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► think wow thats you know that this movie [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► is going to date rapidly and I you know [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► I should actually go back and watch [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► track i think which because it is a good [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► movie and I wonder how I feel now about [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► you know ten-year-old topical references [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► yeah I mean I I really feel like you [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► know there's a also smash mouth [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► yes you know it's got smash brothers got [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► all star which every I believe every [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► movie in 2001 was contractually [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► obligated to include but I i believe it [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► holds up well you know I only learned [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► you know when I was prepping for the [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► show i was reading a little bit about it [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► and I only learned now that the Farquaad [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► character was meant to be a caricature [TS]

00:14:07 ◼   ► of michael eisner that then disney's CEO [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► I mean I knew at the time the Farquaad [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► was you know and i think you know [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► certainly my kids miss Farquaad itself [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► is a word or name that sounds like it's [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► very borderline vulgar or crass which [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► certainly my kids don't get and I i [TS]

00:14:25 ◼   ► didn't get at the time and I it took me [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► to reading you know earlier this week [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► that it was that Michael Eisner [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► reference and I feel like all the all [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► the other references references that are [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► a little bit dated now they don't phase [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► me and I don't think they face my kids [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► at all it's because you know they get [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► references that are built in just for [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► them like you know my five-year-old [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► again pointed out that the story of [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► shrek and fiona is very beauty and the [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► beast ask only floating around right [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► yeah and that's what you you mentioned [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► something about about wet track is [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► parenting it's not really parenting [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► pixar it's parenting disney movies and [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► right and does a great job of that and [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► and and those are classics and so [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► parodying these classics is that that's [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► my favorite stuff in this movie is when [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► it's really taking on the you know sort [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► of overly prissy disney movies I i think [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► really it's attacking the disney [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► attitude about its movies from the past [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► and saying oh these are classics and we [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► love them and tweaking that a little bit [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► or a lot but i love that part of this [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► but i would even argue its broader I [TS]

00:15:27 ◼   ► don't feel anything I think you're right [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► it's certainly the number one [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► disney movies but I feel like it's all [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► of fairytale land no it'sit's all [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► children's stories and children's movies [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► hear it i think my favorite scene [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► remains you know when i'm fiona is [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► singing and I don't even want to ruin [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► the scene now in the movies 10 years old [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► know if you wanna everything these [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► high-pitched music and causes i believe [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► it's a bird [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► if memory serves properly to explode [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► because she's being so high i love that [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► joke i think that joke works on any [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► level and that's right out of what does [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► that snow-white that's right yeah it's [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► like culturally relevant to children [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► because usually the first movie show [TS]

00:16:06 ◼   ► very young children are the ones that [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► are kind of pricey and and gentle and [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► not scary so a lot of those are the very [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► early disney movies and then when they [TS]

00:16:15 ◼   ► can get a little bit older if you show [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► them attractive it's relevant to them [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► because for their entire life up to that [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► point they had been read these stories [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► and now it's skewering it you know it's [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► like it's like a twist for them like wow [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► skewering fairy tales you know I thought [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► the dress for fairy tales and obviously [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► the FBI the concept of turning something [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► on its ear you know anything i think [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► that it that the kids really like about [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► shrek is that it's just you know the [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► same thing we got out of maybe tom and [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► jerry are just slapstick kids love slaps [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► the end there can be that you know [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► hollow slapstick that's not really of [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► any value but if you can put good [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► slapstick in a movie with kind of a [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► point and you know and a lesson is not [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► it you know shrek has that going forward [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► amidst all the pop culture references [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► and everything so I i wanna say [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► something about what they do with [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► Princess Fiona which i really like is it [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► in terms of turning the fairytale and [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► the images of the fairytale on a TED she [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► starts out and I mean it's cameron diaz [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► is where she starts out as this pretty [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► princess pretty pink princess basically [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► and turns into an ogre and stays as an [TS]

00:17:20 ◼   ► ochre right in stays with Shrek and in [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► terms of you know she's because she [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► starts as a little pretty thing and she [TS]

00:17:29 ◼   ► turns into an ogre and she's big and fat [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► yeah it's not a city manager sexy [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► Cameron Diaz over its not Sam Freddie as [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► in green and that's her being herself [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► and that's how she remains and i love [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► that that's what happens in this movie [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► to turn around [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► whole kind of all the pretty all the [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► pretty supermodel e skinny princesses [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► with the blond hair and you know it and [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► and Fiona it you know ends up becoming [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► embracing her life as as an ogre in her [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► in her body that is you know big and [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► clumsy and and and hers and it's who she [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► is perhaps the bravest artistic choice [TS]

00:18:04 ◼   ► ever made by DreamWorks okay haha i will [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► say the one but the one reason that I [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► you know I really do like moving i think [TS]

00:18:11 ◼   ► it does it state withstand the test of [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► time I think it's even still looks good [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► today the one reason that I was hesitant [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► that was it has several instances of [TS]

00:18:22 ◼   ► very much geared towards adults I guess [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► teenager humor where it's we're leading [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► into more adult and I think it needs to [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► go there's a line when Shrek and Donkey [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► first sea lord farquaad's castle and [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► tricks as you think he's compensating [TS]

00:18:37 ◼   ► for something and you know kids probably [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► think well Lord Farquaad shirt so that I [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► met with a short but that's that's an [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► adult joke and there's multiple [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► occurrences and I I like these jokes I [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► just I feel like the movie could have [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► done without them and maybe been sweeter [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► for it i think i think that comment [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► section joke is a perfect example of a [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► double meaning that where you can read [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► it as the innocent way and that's fine [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► right right was gonna but there's a [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► couple of this is where they especially [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► with rhyming they lead into where you [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► think they're going to say something [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► audience then don't you know that [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► there's the disney style song when you [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► first get to to the the castle where [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► they watch that little the video we're [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► seeing you know please keep off the [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► grass [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► shine your shoes wipe your face and [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► there's a hyatt that there's a line we [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► think they're going to say that somebody [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► likes to get laid to run with word made [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► but they actually anything that he likes [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► to get paid but with a little pause [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► there first and it [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► my kids don't get those jokes but you [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► know one day we'll get those jokes and [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► then a movie that was sweet and innocent [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► will be slightly less serious business [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► and I don't think it's I think it's [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► terrible but it was the one element that [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► gave me pause before I endorse it but I [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► stand by my endorsement of shrek it's [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► really good to watch it again all right [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► in a previous podcast I didn't even [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► mention this when we were listening all [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► the rules and conditions and terms that [TS]

00:19:54 ◼   ► precede this a this podcast i mentioned [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► in our superhero episode three works as [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► movie megamind which not for me to have [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► the incomparable praise will ferrell [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► movies but i really like megamind I [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► think it's you know it's not the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► incredibles but what is but I actually [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► think it's a very good movie and it's [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► the DreamWorks animated movie that i [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► have liked the best [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► and in that it's maybe not as brave a [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► choice but the fact that they cast Brad [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► Pitt as Superman and make him not even [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► the villain but make him a coward [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► uh-huh i think is kind of great anyway [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► so good choice Lex Thank you Thank You [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► Jon you're up [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► so my choice is the neverending story [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► and this is a little bit of an older [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► kids movie I think about when I showed [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► it to my kids and when i'm thinking of [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► things I want my children to see it's [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► like the same criteria said before so [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► it's something that I loved as a kid [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► something that I think has redeeming [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► value but the third category is [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► something that I think will like bring [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► them into the next stage of emotional [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► development or whatever so obviously [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► when the kids are very young you're [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► showing them only very gentle rated g [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► movies you don't be scared you're trying [TS]

00:21:07 ◼   ► to figure out what your kid is like is [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► the kind of kid who is going to run [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► screaming from the room the moment [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► something scary comes on the screen your [TS]

00:21:14 ◼   ► power so as the kids get older you start [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► to get a feel for what they can handle [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► and the neverending story for me I saw [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► when I was much older them then when I [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► showed it to my children but I remember [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► just being it being like the the most [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► emotionally wrenching movie i had seen [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► to date because apparently i had only [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► been exposed to I guess star was [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► probably would have been worse but that [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► was just so ingrained in my psyche that [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► it wasn't like i don't know i i'd seen [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► it so many times you know I couldn't [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► really remember what those scenes did to [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► me in the same way about the neverending [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► story it's like it's gonna be like a [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► fairy tale and we're going to see you [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► know princesses and it's like a boy and [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► a horse you don't know anything about [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► what I'm always gonna be like before you [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► go into it when your kid and the stuff [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► that happens in that movie like it it's [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► not it's not the wire ok it's not it's [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► not gritty drama or whatever but for [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► kids movie [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► it's very very intense and and that's [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► that's what sticks with me about the [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► movie and I wanted to show it to my [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► children to sit to sort of open up that [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► world of deeper emotions associated with [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► movies where there's not there's not [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► slapstick it's not the hero is not [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► protected by by the magic script and [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► everything turns out okay for them and [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► you know like it's more of a movie with [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► an arc and at the same time I think it's [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► great for kids because it's got you know [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► monsters and and berries and magic and [TS]

00:22:38 ◼   ► and and the framing story of a boy is of [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► a similar age you know and all that [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► stuff up so really i was going to my son [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► who was it was seven my daughter is a [TS]

00:22:48 ◼   ► tough cookie and she wants to see [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► everything that he sees and she's not [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► really scared by stuff but i think i [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► think a lot of it was lost on her but [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► for a seven-year-old boy think it's [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► about the right age as long as I can be [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► too scared by this type of thing to [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► expose them to this movie and the real [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► test of what that the part where i was [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► watching i do this one I'm trying to [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► make it i will it i watch her with them [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► but a certain point i'm not watching the [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► movie i'm watching them to see what [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► their little faces do and you know [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► something obviously if my daughter [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► leaves the room she to the board or [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► scared or if she wants that curl with me [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► or whatever my son is kind of past the [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► age where you will curl up he's got a [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► little bit of a macho thing going but [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► you can see it on his little face so the [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► scene i always think about my was [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► watching then watch this movie was when [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► the horse our text starts to sink in [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► that was the name of that the swamps of [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► sadness or something like that where [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► went that as you get more sad that the [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► the swamp follows you and the only way [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► the hero can stay above this by keeping [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► himself for being said but eventually [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► they been wandering this month or so [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► longer the horse starts to lose heart [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► and the horse starts to sink and pretty [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► much in every movie these kids had seen [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► up to that point when you have a scene [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► like this where you know environment or [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► monsters about to eat the beloved you [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► know pet or especially with animals so [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► much it seems like it's almost easier [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► and kids movies to off a bunch of kids [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► are getting my monsters but never the [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► pets right so the horse starts to sink [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► and i know you gotta keep trying artex [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► you got you got to believe whatever [TS]

00:24:14 ◼   ► eventually the horse gets out and [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► the triumphal music plays after the sad [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► music and yes you rescue the horse and [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► wasn't that close this one [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► no the horse sinks she sinks into the [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► mud and the kids left sitting there [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► covered in mud and his favorite little [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► horse is now dead and that like that's [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► the turning point I feel like that was a [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► turning point in my childhood that like [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► the whole the horses got no he's going [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► to come out of that mud right [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► no no it's gone I mean obviously they [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► have the big turnaround the end where [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► the entire world is reconstructed and [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► thats all thats when it would then you [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► know so it's not it's not a downer movie [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► for kids but there's so many parts of [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► the movie they're like that the hero in [TS]

00:24:49 ◼   ► this movie doesn't do well in many of [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► the hero type things in both the framing [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► story and and then in the major story [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► things go very badly and not badly in a [TS]

00:25:00 ◼   ► way that you think can be recovered by [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► the end of the movie just Little Rock's [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► floating in space and everybody's [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► depressed and everything nice creampie [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► why are you reading me this thing yeah [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► thats good friends private princess [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► bride sort of goes like that but it's [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► more slack it's kind of like you're [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► talking about how shrek makes the scary [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► characters are the scary by sort of [TS]

00:25:18 ◼   ► undercutting them with humor right this [TS]

00:25:20 ◼   ► is like the first like the first step [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► beyond that were you know where you can [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► say no we're actually not going to [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► undercut this for you you know like [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► stepping up the ladder of you know [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► movies that you might watch because I [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► feel like you have to see a movie like [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► this before [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► you're exposed to I don't like like a PG [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► I can't think of a good example but yeah [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► this movie is it definitely kids movies [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► for kids and stuff in it for kids it's [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► it's aimed at that age group but but it [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► pushes the kids and if you should if you [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► were to showcase you go to write from [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► like a Disney friendly movie to one of [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► those movies that supposed to have [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► dramatic things happen and it said [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► things happen I don't know they would [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► make the transition or it was just like [TS]

00:26:01 ◼   ► bounce off them or they were rejected or [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► whatever and this is just a great bridge [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► movie into the larger world of movies or [TS]

00:26:07 ◼   ► actual dramatic things app I've never [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► seen this moving never oh my god you [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► need to see the smoke now sit in this in [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► rewatch I must admit I have only seen [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► some of the neverending oh my god i [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► thought this is one of these movies that [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► like every text is that why you didn't [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► do the holiday a christmas story in the [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► holiday movies you've never seen a Jason [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► and I have seen that you can talk about [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► seen that so it once what I will say [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► what i will say on re watching this [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► movie because the memories of this movie [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► loomed very very large in my head and so [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► we're watching with my kids was the [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► first time I'd watched it I don't know [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► decades a long long time and it had it [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► it held up pretty well but it did have [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► that that thing that most kids movies [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► that you haven't seen in awhile have is [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► that a you don't realize how short it is [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► like that there's like five scenes you [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► know it's like this happens that happens [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► that I'm in the end users like wow that [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► seems so much longer the ark and the [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► journey of this hero seem like so much [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► more arduous and really it's like yet 20 [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► minutes of film right because when your [TS]

00:27:03 ◼   ► kid the time expands and you feel like [TS]

00:27:05 ◼   ► the movies longer so the movie is [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► shorter than you think and I was also [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► worried about the effects because it's [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► all know what year was this movie made a [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► 1984 so it's all latex and there's not [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► even any green screen is just latex and [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► strings and maybe there's a little bit [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► of green screen at one point that's what [TS]

00:27:21 ◼   ► I was gonna ask you that I feel like the [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► effect would appear dated to fit the [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► effects are dated but the movie doesn't [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► hinge on them especially I i would say [TS]

00:27:30 ◼   ► that the parts they really work for me [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► like a resemble the horse in the swamp [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► it's a real horse ok so that works fine [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► it's real mud it's real you know [TS]

00:27:38 ◼   ► physical effects everywhere and even the [TS]

00:27:40 ◼   ► bit were at one point I can't just ruin [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► the horse time for Jason I love your [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► kids will get hosting is dangerous [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► student John I i'll take the boards at [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► one point that that the hero is climbing [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► on top of a giant beasts which I'm sure [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► is like a model or miniature some sort [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► of composite must have been done there [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► but but it's a practical effect you know [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► it was something with some it's all in [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► camera or maybe some optical compositing [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► but it comes off really well not the [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► things that don't come up well as [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► obviously the budget was low and set [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► your small a lot of times they're [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► they're inside a studio and they have to [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► make it look like it's outside its [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► clearly inside and it's kind of like it [TS]

00:28:17 ◼   ► a bad TV show on PBS with a bunch of [TS]

00:28:19 ◼   ► people wearing rubber latex stuff but [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► that's just not what the movie is about [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► and like so many of these things kids [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► seriously can't tell i'm not getting [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► back to another long-standing top that [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► we should do a show about eventually but [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► like video games when I show my children [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► look very old video games they they [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► honestly a cannot distinguish and be [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► even when press [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► just can't tell you which game looked [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► better or look fancier or is new or [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► anything like that they just they just [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► simply don't see it so the effects of [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► this are dated but I still highly highly [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► recommended and Jason yes I can't [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► believe well you're probably too old to [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► tune to get the magic this movie and you [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► can sort of my kids [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► it may be too intense for your younger [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► child but alright I give it give it a [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► watch by yourself you may have to get [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► into that childlike mindset to get over [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► the fact that it seems like you know [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► it's like 90 minutes long or whatever it [TS]

00:29:10 ◼   ► is it's there's not much there but trust [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► me when your kid there's a lot there [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► alright well i watch out for that i'll [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► put on the list [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► neverending story i had how do you feel [TS]

00:29:20 ◼   ► about the sequel by the way out now this [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► equals it's kind of like Star Wars those [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► those are the movies just don't just [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► pretend I'm not understood i just always [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► think of them the the attorney John [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► let's let's on the simpsons when he says [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► you know this will be the biggest class [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► that case online advertising Lionel hats [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► thank you [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► this will be the biggest case of false [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► advertising since the neverender is [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► never ending story the neverending story [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► part 2 [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► that's that's what I think I don't think [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► I ever even got through then everything [TS]

00:29:48 ◼   ► started with her i think i started [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► watching everything started part 2 and [TS]

00:29:50 ◼   ► and watched like whatever year it came [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► out and was just disgusted by it and [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► said right now forget it [TS]

00:29:55 ◼   ► no and if there are more movies it came [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► out six years later and was it sounds [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► like the the adaptation of this book was [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► a complete disaster [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► business-wise and he sued because he [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► thought the movie was not enough like [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► his book and you know there's a whole [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► you can read it all on Wikipedia but [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► yeah I know I never a movie is the movie [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► I've never had any knowledge of the book [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► and all I know is the second movie was [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► so awful that even or whatever age I was [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► at that time I could not watch it and [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► then I think I rode off [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► it's very impressive that something [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► called the neverending story actually [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► runs 90 minutes [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► that's what does see it doesn't actually [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► I don't want to ruin it ok that there is [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► a point of the story which I my children [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► quiz me on this to at the end of the [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► thing that likable then why was it [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► called a never-ending started to explain [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► it Im hopefully I won't have I want two [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► horses to you Jason wants to do with a [TS]

00:30:42 ◼   ► dead horse but rather to be glue in [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► rather than beating a dead horse [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► let's move on i am going to talk about [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► well maybe we'll do a second round here [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► for a quick a quick second round but [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► first let me talk about my three good [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► movies [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► oh boy i'm going to talk about the iron [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► giant a strange lost movie for I think [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► it's now being recognized as a classic [TS]

00:31:16 ◼   ► but it didn't really do when it came out [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► written and directed by brad bird you [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► may have heard of him [TS]

00:31:22 ◼   ► he he he went on to do the incredibles [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► and ratatouille and and mission [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► impossible for I guess right John [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► yeah but just so that today it was no [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► incredible tell you that now but what is [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► again the iron giant I is a traditional [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► hand-drawn cel animation are animated [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► feature voice I don't know who the kid [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► the voice of the kid is his mom is [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► jennifer aniston his buddy is a is Harry [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► Connick and the voice of the Iron Giant [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► is Vin Diesel and unrecognizable [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► basically as the Iron Giant and it's [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► just it's set in the fifties in height [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► of the Cold War and an alien robot that [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► alien robot killing machine crashes to [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► earth and is essentially taken in by a [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► kid who learns to hide them in his barn [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► and learns how to how to feed him metal [TS]

00:32:18 ◼   ► scraps in order to in order to keep him [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► alive and and it's just it's an [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► incredibly sweet story it's got some [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► scary parts where the the where the kid [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► discovers the giant this kid Hogarth [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► whole Garth as the giant says and it's a [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► and the army there's that there's a a a [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► really awful kind of slimy government [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► man whose God who is the actor place [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► that mr. McDonald christopher mcdonald [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► who does a great job playing slimy guys [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► in general invested a fantastic job [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► playing that the government man who [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► comes John Mahoney is is the army [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► general he kind of dupes into the into [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► into believing that there's a giant bear [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► giant robot there which turns out there [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► is a giant robot there it and and so [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► then the Army's called and they're going [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► to destroy the robot they're gonna and [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► it gets dark they're going to the US [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► Army is going to nuke this seaside town [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► in Maine in order to protect the rest of [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► the country from this robot who is not [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► threatening anybody and uh and so the [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► robot has to save the day and and it's [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► just a and there's a their references [TS]

00:33:34 ◼   ► for superman and and the robot has [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► aspirations the robot is a killing [TS]

00:33:38 ◼   ► machine that is rethinking its [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► programming so there's kind of an [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► anti-war message and how even though [TS]

00:33:43 ◼   ► even people with weapons or robots who [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► are weapons can choose not to use them [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► which actually made me think a little [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► bit of war games when I when I watched [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► it seems like it's got a simple it's a [TS]

00:33:54 ◼   ► it's a an anti-war movie about weapons [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► anyway I think it's a fantastic movie [TS]

00:34:03 ◼   ► that is overlooked because it you know [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► it's not a Disney movie it's not a Pixar [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► movie kind of fell through the cracks [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► and and it and yet anybody who loved [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► pixar movies including including the [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► movies by brad bird really should check [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► out the iron giant I i do believe that [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► it is an animation classic that just is [TS]

00:34:27 ◼   ► not as widely known as it should be [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► because it was released by Warner [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► Brothers i think in kind of sunk beneath [TS]

00:34:33 ◼   ► the sea when it was initially released [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► but it is it has become a classic what [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► kind of animation is it is a computer [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► animators you know it sell it sell [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► hand-drawn cel animation to a lot of [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► talk about the Iron Giant is CG though [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► so that's one of the is one of the first [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► movies to use computer graphics in a in [TS]

00:34:51 ◼   ► a Cell drawn movie so they don't make it [TS]

00:34:53 ◼   ► doesn't see Jason she in the same way [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► that a lot about is Rama in futurama cg [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► it's a siege its 3d animation affecting [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► a 2d look exactly [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► yeah and that was one of the first [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► movies to do that and I think it works [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► extremely well because they chose to do [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► all the humans obviously and hand [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► drawings and all the backdrops more or [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► less it sometimes they do vehicles and [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► roads and camera pans with some 3d [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► romantic stuff but then the iron is [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► always 3d [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► and so he looks like the other and did [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► the big imposing thing I'm a and gives [TS]

00:35:23 ◼   ► that it's kinda like either use 3d and [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► futurama suffix so to draw in [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► traditional animation things with the [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► sweeping cinematic camera moves that [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► were used to nowadays it's very very [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► difficult to draw that in a way that [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► yeah that did you keep the perspective [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► exactly right and the things don't look [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► like they star becomes shape and whereas [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► if you do 3d model you know swing the [TS]

00:35:44 ◼   ► camera around all you want to the [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► whatever dramatic scenes and they take [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► advantage of that and that in this movie [TS]

00:35:49 ◼   ► doing those type of camera moves and it [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► and it makes the movie I remember him [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► when I originally saw this movie I think [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► I when I first came out it looks very [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► very different from any other animated [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► movie you've seen the same time you know [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► it looks like traditional cel animation [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► but it looks different and it's not and [TS]

00:36:04 ◼   ► it's not really it's not just the art [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► but it's also the setting this is this [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► is a movie about the Cold War and the [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► Red Menace and you know the fifties at [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► and an age that I don't think really [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► resonates with kids who heard it you [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► know when that movie come out it was a [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► 1999 know seven or eight year old boy [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► has any idea about anything about the [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► fifties unless this is parents are [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► history nuts you know me right but it [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► resonates for people from the 50 so it's [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► kind of a shame like this is a movie [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► that like that like missed its audience [TS]

00:36:35 ◼   ► where people who lived through an error [TS]

00:36:37 ◼   ► i think would enjoy this movie but in my [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► experience people who live in that area [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► era are more dismissive animation movies [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► you know those like is the kids movies [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► like a cartoon or whatever this movie [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► it's a great kids movie and I showed it [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► to my children they enjoy it but they're [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► they're missing so many levels of this [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► movie I feel like this is a better movie [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► for adults who are you not to be a baby [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► were very cute baby over his kids of [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► baby boomers whoever can appreciate [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► animation without you know it at all [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► levels without dismissing it because its [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► animation because it really is it you [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► know you could do a live action version [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► this movie at with it with a different [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► tone and would you know like all this [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► such a serious important movie and the [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► Oscars were but because it's animations [TS]

00:37:20 ◼   ► like met you know some silly kids movie [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► right [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► yeah well also the giant robot but but [TS]

00:37:25 ◼   ► no i i i i agree with you i think that I [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► although given [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► it came out 99 I think that given how [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► much fear people felt in you know in the [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► decades that followed that the movie [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► might see more relevant than I think [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► everybody was feeling a little [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► comfortable in 1999 and the idea that [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► that you know the people are afraid and [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► the government is afraid and there's [TS]

00:37:51 ◼   ► paranoia only a few years later that [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► that feeling was back and i think it had [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► a little maybe more applicability than [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► it did when it was released I know this [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► is a little more symmetrical because the [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► whole business was the iron giant being [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► a weapon doesn't become weapon ice until [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► he's attacked and that was much more of [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► a cold war analogy and then the [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► terrorism and yeah but it has the [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► similar type of thing with people people [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► living in fear right the military people [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► you know being so afraid they're going [TS]

00:38:18 ◼   ► to nuke town on their own soil that but [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► there and indicates movie that actually [TS]

00:38:22 ◼   ► its plot point is we're gonna drop a [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► bomb on that's the thing like the big [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► the big climactic emotional moment [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► towards the end which lexus you seen [TS]

00:38:29 ◼   ► this movie i'm going to spoil another [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► one [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► it's okay i have not but I see it's the [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► only of the three that we've discussed [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► on is you know she's how well your honor [TS]

00:38:37 ◼   ► that you are the poster boy for I [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► haven't seen movies so I expected [TS]

00:38:40 ◼   ► through you but but not increase in any [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► way that the big emotional moment in [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► this movie for people of our age I don't [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► know if it's the same moment for kids [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► because i watch them during that scene I [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► think Jason knows what she's talking [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► about and it wasn't as affecting to them [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► that's why I feel so much that like this [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► movie works on so many deeper levels for [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► adults that it's like an iceberg like [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► the tip of the iceberg with sticking out [TS]

00:39:02 ◼   ► of the water is beautiful and [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► interesting and kids love it but this [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► whole other mass underneath the surface [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► that's there for adults if they're you [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► know if they're willing to give this [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► movie a shot and and yes you have to [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► kind of like look past the parts that [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► are there just for kids I don't think [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► it's as successful as a Pixar movie and [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► making sure that every single scene [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► every single line works for every single [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► member of the audience I yeah yeah yeah [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► but it's but it's good it's it's it's [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► very good and if there are not a lot of [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► movies that will make me tier up every [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► single time i watch it and but the iron [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► giant does at the end [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► yeah i know it gets me it gets awfully [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► dusty in that room every time they [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► should put that little section and [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► especially since for the rest of the [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► movie you kinda like yeah I'm with this [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► movie you know it's not like you know [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► something like up which starts with a [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► punch in the gut you kind of know what [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► you're in for even something like Wally [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► that starts with like this beautiful you [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► know like this movie kind of suckers you [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► win and then again this is like got you [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► and that you know a little bit more like [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► all you got me again you know it sneaks [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► up on you [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► yeah yeah really don't because it starts [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► out and you're thinking oh this is just [TS]

00:40:11 ◼   ► another kid's movie it's you know [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► there's a mom and a kid and their-their [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► hand-drawn animated and it's like every [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► other animated movie that was made in [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► the eighties and nineties before the cgi [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► kind of movies took over and but it's [TS]

00:40:23 ◼   ► not right and then and if you're patient [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► it read the movie really unfolds [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► so yeah and and I think that it's only [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► unfolding for people who are her older [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► or more emotionally mature too because I [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► because otherwise like what are you what [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► are you getting worked up about like [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► plot-wise what's happening [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► fine but there's one against though it's [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► the boy's adventure of he's out yeah [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► it's going to mysterious thing and it's [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► their monster and the kids are worried [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► about the boy [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► eventually the kids are worried about [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► the iron giant things very quickly you [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► get on the side of the giant you know [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► like that it for the kids it's an [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► adventure story and they are concerned [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► for the people that care about being in [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► parallel you know right that would you [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► say let you know what what age is the [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► minimum age for appropriate because some [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► of these topics like you know [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► threatening the nooks and everything [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► else had a little bit scarier than like [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► a five-year-old friendly movie my pic I [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► it all depends on your on your kids my [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► kids are more comfortable with this at [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► four or five-year let myself think my [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► kids are pretty pretty sensitive and [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► they were comfortable with this movie [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► 452 that's great [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► there's a lot of Menace intention will [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► watch it this week i think that the [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► nuclear stuff and that all that I mean [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► it's there [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► they're bad guys with guns and there's [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► some threatening but it's all abstract [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► and yeah it's surprisingly not not [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► worrisome in in a way that some other [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► movies might be so I think younger kids [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► will like it because it because they [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► don't identify with a boy and they left [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► the robot very cool alright who doesn't [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► love a robot [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► yeah he's a friendly ribbon is Vin [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► Diesel it's the best it's like that big [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► diesels Carly forward to play [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► Oh Garth it's um like I said it's the [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► only movie of these three that's [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► available to stream on netflix alright [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► so should we go around really quickly [TS]

00:42:05 ◼   ► and have another another set or or just [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► talk about movies that we we should have [TS]

00:42:10 ◼   ► talked about but didn't like what do you [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► have what what what other movie do you [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► have for us [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► mice um I'm not ashamed of this [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► collection either although i think it's [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► another unexpected one and I hear some [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► shame creeping into your voice already [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► there it is the 1995 Rosie O'Donnell to [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► me more [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► melanie griffith christina ricci hit now [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► when that basically the female stand by [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► me and the reason I pic now and then [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► over stand by me is what I actually [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► think the story and now and then is [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► better [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► all that was a pretty good pic stand by [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► me ok and to apply I thought I i think [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► it's i think that stand by me excuse [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► scary and I I'm very sensitive to scary [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► because i have a kid who's very [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► sensitive scary things I think that now [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► and that is overall much less scary when [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► there's topics that are way over her [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► head but it's I don't know now that is a [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► very sweet movie i think they did a very [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► nice job casting the adults with kids [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► you know they were really nice job [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► casting the kids to resemble and reflect [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► the personalities of the adults [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► oh I i know this movie I did not [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► recognize it from the title go on it [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► yeah but you know it's it's for [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► childhood friends you see them as [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► they're adults first and then you go [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► back and see them when they're young and [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► it's just their lives in the summer of [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► nineteen seventy and it's I don't know [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► it's it's it's very well done and [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► basically if you've seen a few scenes to [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► him by me it'sit's kind of that movie [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► only girls and but another dead body [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► there's well there's there's no dead [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► body [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► no suppose you're spoiling our stories [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► for our for Jason I haven't seen this [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► movie you notice how we don't care about [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► spoiling for the audience but somehow [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► spoiling it for people on the podcast [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► online there there's the audience knew [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► what they were getting into right [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► there's an intense séance seem that's [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► the sarkodie this movie is the séance [TS]

00:43:52 ◼   ► science but it's I don't know it's very [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► sweet [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► it's you know [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► i would say this is it you know it's not [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► exactly a tearjerker movie but the the [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► friendship feels very real you feel like [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► the girls must have been friends onset [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► if you're watching as an adult and I [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► don't know and it's there's a lot you [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► know the when John was before was [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► talking about how sometimes movies that [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► you appreciate it as a kid don't hold up [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► and i don't know i was i was 15 when it [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► came out so I wasn't so so young but [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► sometimes I noticed in movies that i [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► really liked that the when there's child [TS]

00:44:23 ◼   ► actors that the acting doesn't hold up [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► that you don't realize how bad you know [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► mary-kate and Ashley Olsen were at the [TS]

00:44:28 ◼   ► time but not there in this movie but the [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► the kid acting really holds up and I [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► mean really Wilson's it and she's always [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► really good i don't know i really like [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► it i think it's very sweet and it has [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► nice the girls learn nice lessons that I [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► like my girls to learn and I think it's [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► very very sweetly doesn't show my [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► ten-year-old daughter watches people [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► actually just kind of young adult almost [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► always stand by me is definitely young [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► adult and this is true that's just this [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► is closed too young to die just that [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► still counts as a kid but I i endorse [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► this movie too although i had not [TS]

00:44:58 ◼   ► remembered that existed until I pulled [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► up on stage and I realized yes I've seen [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► this many many times and I endorse this [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► selection even more than Shrek probably [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► why don't you it's it's very sweet [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► it's a very sweet movie and it's got [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► Hank Azaria to I just remembered him all [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► right now and then [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► yes all right John when I will continue [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► this theme with with a movie that i have [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► tried to show my daughter but my [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► daughter is four and she's not ready for [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► this movie and there is nothing scary in [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► this movie [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► well maybe her four-year-old this little [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► scene suspension but it's one of my [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► favorite movies as an adult one of my [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► wife favorite movies and yes i'm [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► cheating piece is not actually a movie [TS]

00:45:34 ◼   ► it's I don't know what you want to call [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► it a miniseries its its many hours but [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► it's not a television series and its I [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► don't know maybe his television series [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► people could tell me it's anna Green [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► Gables has anyone seen that the it's a [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► miniseries I'll get 40 it's it's because [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► it's not a TV series really it's a [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► miniseries that they play abs like a [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► really long movie right I think that's [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► fair that's based on the Lucy Maud [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► Montgomery books that I've never read [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► that my wife has read but if there's one [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► set of you know movies or TV show [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► whatever that I want that I think I [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► a young girl would like obviously older [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► than five [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► it's these because they're just it's [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► just a gentle sweet story about coming [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► of age for girl I it's supposed to I [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► don't know what year it takes places so [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► the nineteen hundreds 1905 or whatever [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► so things were different back then but [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► it manages not to be a sort of images [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► not to dwell on the difference between [TS]

00:46:33 ◼   ► gender roles now and then and has a [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► strong female character as the lead and [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► she comes of age and is you know [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► self-possessed intelligent confident her [TS]

00:46:47 ◼   ► of all there are obviously as a romance [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► angle her you know she goes on later and [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► of Avonlea of things to be successful in [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► her professional life doesn't spend your [TS]

00:46:56 ◼   ► time worrying about romance and boys and [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► stuff like that and and but and green [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► gables forget the and family which is [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► kind of more of young adult and green [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► gables has that she's an orphan she gets [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► adopted by these these are friendly [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► older people and there's some you know [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► things that happened there that are [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► somewhat dramatic but just it's [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► basically a series of vignettes it's a [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► lot like a little house on the prairie [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► which I have a feeling that everyone [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► back and watched I would find doesn't [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► hold up as well as I thought I did my [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► sister loves left my free to yeah [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► but-but-but I am gables and evidently i [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► have seen in my adult life and I really [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► believe they do hold up and I just think [TS]

00:47:33 ◼   ► they're beautiful sweet little stories [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► and i can't wait until my daughter is [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► old enough to watch them and appreciate [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► them the way I do [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► wikipedia agrees with you referring to [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► it as a TV movie but it's got a running [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► time of a hundred ninety nine minutes so [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► it was generally aired into but it sure [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► I think you can call that I very long [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► movie and it was released theatrically [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► all 3 at wrigley in Europe Israel and [TS]

00:47:54 ◼   ► Japan so there it's a film John did you [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► watch the the 2008 release that [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► wikipedia talks about the fourth in the [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► series and of Green Gables a new [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► beginning I was aware that existed I [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► believe I may have tried to watch a few [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► minutes of it and then ran away and [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► discuss similar to a neverending story [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► part but it has this great line [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► wikipedia the film is both the sequel [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► and a prequel to soul of astrology I [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► mean that to me is because it's it's the [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► neverending story [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► it's just yeah no that's good that's [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► great when I that came out a little [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► seeing this one have not seen it this [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► one I don't have the heart heartily [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► recommend her daughter holding in 10 [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► maybe she's too mature for now we'll [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► find it went being babyish but I give it [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► a try if it sticks that she like Little [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► House on the Prairie have an exposure to [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► that she's real I think she read a [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► couple of books so yeah I will give it a [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► shot i'll report back and try watching [TS]

00:48:46 ◼   ► yourself it's gonna seem like it's I [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► don't know it you have you have to have [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► a certain temperament I hate to sound [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► sexist but it's this people say this [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► movies and it girls but I really like [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► this movie i'm definitely not a girl and [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► I i think it's great for boys as well [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► but you do have to we're talking about [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► Kiki but I think there's a certain [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► mindset you have to begin to appreciate [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► this movie as an adult and it's a good [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► mindset to get into it's not a check [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► your brain to the door mindset so we're [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► gonna try your side with my wife [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► I'm looking forward to it my second [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► selection i'm going to i'm going to be a [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► proxy for Monty Ashley who could not be [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► here tonight he basically forgot [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► shame shame auntie but I was with his in [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► your selection Monty wanted to to talk [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► about this movie and it was on my list [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► as well which is the muppet movie the [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► original original Muppet movie which is [TS]

00:49:39 ◼   ► it's a movie with puppets and they're [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► funny and they they do songs and some of [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► the songs are sweet and some of the [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► songs are wacky and there are celebrity [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► cameos and you know already from the 70 [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► yeah they're corneal from the seventies [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► and before ya up there are corny jokes [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► and you know what I've watched this [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► movie a couple of times with my kids and [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► everybody seems to have a good time [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► it's just it's a sweet movie it's got [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► some some jokes that I probably like [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► more than i should just because I have [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► such fond memories of seeing this movie [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► when I was a kid but um and and of [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► course the moment that was a kid that [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► blew my mind and I think I mentioned [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► this in a previous podcast is that [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► moment where you see Kermit the Frog [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► riding his bicycle and you see his legs [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► moving pushing the devil's little that's [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► foreshadowing is [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► far as a major it's a major plot point [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► where frogs legs could be importantly so [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► if you had said frog leg with Kermit [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► safe because he doesn't have legs [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► release we've never seen ya what Charles [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► Durning looks happy 6a pop yeah yeah [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► Charles turning a fine role as doc [TS]

00:50:47 ◼   ► hopper there's a giant you know what a [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► giant beaker runs rampant you know [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► it'sit's and it and it's also got a [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► story within a story right because it [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► ends up that the movie is telling the [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► story of the movie and it's very [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► confusing [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► yeah that was that was little [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► mind-blowing is good i remember that was [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► like it's not even like a [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► straightforward framing story it's like [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► meta storytelling like what's going on [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► this movie is the movie i'm watching the [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► movie you're watching the movie of the [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► movie was just a movie of the movie the [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► movie it's one of those pictures it's [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► got a picture of itself and it just [TS]

00:51:18 ◼   ► keeps going infinitely so anyway the [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► muppet movie I what else can you say [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► that I i love it [TS]

00:51:26 ◼   ► The Muppets are are there they're hard [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► to define their their their own thing [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► it's the you know how many puppet movie [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► french spices exist out there about the [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► dollar store which also could have [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► listed an elaborate those the two other [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► ones that cover speaking of puppet [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► movies and Jim Henson yeah and they're [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► there are other good Muppet fine Muppet [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► movies too but the muppet movie i think [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► is and i haven't seen the new one so i [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► can I was about to ask i haven't watched [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► the old ones get real the real voices [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► yeah you know that's true that this is [TS]

00:51:58 ◼   ► the this is your your jim hansen and [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► Frank Oz and right if I think that's [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► that is the challenge with today is that [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► they all sound like they have head colds [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► at best [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► yeah yeah well how do you rank the other [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► movies can you speak to that really [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► because my favorite is always been the [TS]

00:52:13 ◼   ► muppets take manhattan but you're going [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► back to the original I feel like the [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► original one is to like certainly my [TS]

00:52:19 ◼   ► kids would enjoy that i should show it [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► to them because the Muppets are just [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► inherently funny but I feel like they [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► wouldn't have a clear understanding of [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► what the heck is happening in the story [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► especially because you know they're [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► watching it at home and not in a movie [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► theater but when ya don't think it [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► matters because it's just kind of you [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► know a frog and a bear and a Studebaker [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► going across the country having [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► adventures and there's big bird and then [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► they are in a church for a while and [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► minutes like a I mean it's like a road [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► movie it's a caper [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► it's a series of unconnected and random [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► events and bear left right frog and [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► speakers which is the best of elements [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► have you know a road trip and big bird [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► and unconnected randomness i will say i [TS]

00:52:57 ◼   ► wouldn't put it on my list of the best [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► but a very good Muppet friendly movie is [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► is follow that bird when big bird gets [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► lost man to find a big and it's it's [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► really well done [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► all right just throw that out there ok I [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► to answer your question in my mind the [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► movie is without peer [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► and then there are many of perfectly [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► fine [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► Muppet productions after that I i I've [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► rarely seen them up a movie that I [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► didn't find you know least worth my time [TS]

00:53:27 ◼   ► to watch it because there are things you [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► can find in some of them i found to be [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► pretty good but in my mind this is the [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► one that's the definitive one now I [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► tried to show this to my kids and I [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► think the missing they they seem not to [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► be engaged by it as much as I thought [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► they would and I think the main problem [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► is that i grew up watching them up and [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► show every single night it was almost [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► like my ritual right and you become [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► something like see you I want right from [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► Sesame Street smooth transition directly [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► into the muppet show which is like on [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► right before my bedtime right right so [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► I'm so invested in the muppets the world [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► of them up with these characters that [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► seeing them in a movie it's like you [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► know wow [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► and now there's a whole movie of puppets [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► and it was just but if you've never seen [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► them up as before with my kids didn't [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► because they hadn't spent a lot of time [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► with sesame street and had never seen [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► them up and show it all [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► it was like what why should I care about [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► these characters and I guess I didn't it [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► didn't it didn't hook into them [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► yeah there's a business context there [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► when we saw Kermit singing in the swamp [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► like you know in the rainbow connection [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► and all that you know like that we we [TS]

00:54:26 ◼   ► already were on board with come around [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► the karma train already I but with my [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► kids to like yes what am I you know why [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► do I care about this frog [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► yeah yeah i know i think if you were to [TS]

00:54:39 ◼   ► plot making your children love the [TS]

00:54:41 ◼   ► Muppets you would need to start with the [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► muppet row which is a lot easier love [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► like you sketch comedy yeah stick you [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► know right up their alley right all the [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► celebrity appearances are again not [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► perhaps have have the you know I think [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► when you're a kid I I don't think you [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► care right it's like well [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► our car goes on there so they can have [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► this episode's right and saying look [TS]

00:55:01 ◼   ► look how young is surprised you didn't [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► choose luke from The Muppet Show in your [TS]

00:55:05 ◼   ► character draft I well not to disparage [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► more camels acting ability but you're [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► gonna pick one actor from the Star Wars [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► saga with Harry go with Harrison Ford ok [TS]

00:55:16 ◼   ► I'm ok with you he could have been awash [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► I guess because remember it was casting [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► right firefly right I got that would [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► have been funny but before we go I want [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► to go around and just see I know we've [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► got some other movies that we didn't [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► mention let's uh not to stave off some [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► of the angry emails say why didn't you [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► mention this and mention a few more if [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► you've got any any others on your list [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► that you didn't get a chance to talk [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► about now is your chance to just throw [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► him out there Lex what you have [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► well I i mentioned it be some of the [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► beginning but the two that you've done [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► shows about that I really I i haven't [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► shown either to my kids yet but I'm [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► eager to our back to the future trilogy [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► and the princess bride because i like [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► those movies can't I like the movies now [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► and I think they're gonna really like [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► them to my kids like the princess bride [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► and we have watched the first two back [TS]

00:56:00 ◼   ► to the future movies and thats not [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► pretty well those repeat those RPG and I [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► i have to point out to my daughter you [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► yeah they said a bad word there but you [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► know but we're going threw him out there [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► they are and they're enjoyable why my [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► son wants a hoverboard now so mission [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► accomplished you know they exist but the [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► toy the toilet won't let him sell them [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► yeah yeah that's what I hear John what [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► about you [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► I already threw out the only with you I [TS]