72: The Screams of Trees
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the incomparable podcast number 72
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December 2011
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I just like to point out that I'm IMDb
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the doctor who step it says it's
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Christmas Eve 1938 when magyar welcomes
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to the aid of an injured spaceman angel
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yes I like that's actually in the washer
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so's she says it I'm I like that it's
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actually in the text that's let's keep
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it accurate
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wait we haven't started yet yeah well we
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now we have you are listening to the
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incomparable podcast now annual
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tradition of getting together on
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Christmas night and talking about the
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doctor who christmas special that we all
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just watched I am Jason snow and joining
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me tonight on this special flash Doctor
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Who podcast are Dan more'n hide and
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you're far away from home aren't you
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I Jason and i'm calling it from the time
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vortex excellent
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you sound like it how's things at home
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is Scott McNulty hi Scott
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hello you sound normal because you are
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at home
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xiii in a room in a box in a forest
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are you a madman in a box as usually
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ok first and Fleischmann also is at home
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hi Glenn hi you know I just thought we
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could actually start calling this blue
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Boxing Day know how can I help now this
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podcast is over before it began
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haha when I and wins this podcast is a
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negative running time but I actually
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Michael not when i go and serenity
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Caldwell your nightmare
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well I'm a normal life my original home
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yes Silas Angeles so with a microphone
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balanced on two stacks of dvds and if
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piece of scotch tape is stately Wayne
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Manor aren't you
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oh yes Alfred will come by later I and
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i'm in arizona in my parents dining room
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very strange who you're too special
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types of them is a man i'm in mountain
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time Jason why are you talking to self
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your dining room your parents ask yes
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where they've gone to bed and I warned
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them already that I was doing a podcast
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and when they ask what a podcast was I
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said it's like radio except nobody
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listens
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didn't that explains it
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so when you say so to the the 2011
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version and I i counted this this is the
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i believe seven believe it or not
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Seventh Doctor Who Christmas special
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it's hard to believe really every year
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since 2005 you can count them five six
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seven eight nine ten eleven that's seven
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Christmas specials goodness
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yeah it's pretty crazy and this was
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called the doctor the widow and the
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wardrobe right right right yes right
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yeah i was a kid i can raise even more
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than ok we all agree about the title
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that's good we good we'll start with
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some agreement
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this is an exciting podcast already
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thank you thank you shake goodness i'm
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not editing it myself so I'm so I'm
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interested this is you know this is our
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are freeform fast unedited podcast I'm
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interested in hearing what what
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everybody thought who would like to take
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first crack it's Christmassy if it was
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gross Christmassy but in a different way
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I thanks for last year's Christmas from
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Christmas exactly what does not endanger
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for one was it was at the beginning but
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he blew up the ship in the prayer at the
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better the devil first minute
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the world's a dangerous laughter
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residency databases and they just love i
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love the openings people of earth
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prepare to accompany boom boom
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this is a lovely little bit that you
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always mikey the whole the Christmas Day
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invasion it was practically the entire
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episode donors people of Earth boom just
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like the Vogon constructor fleet but a
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doctor was here to save us
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what did you was that there was a out
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there was a people online is yes yes i'm
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in a half thing we're explains somewhat
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more that is not a ship and holding out
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a button
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yes I saw that yes no yes now i have to
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let go of this button not will be bad
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for me but although the ngspice message
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to record and right but he's calling Amy
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but Jamie thinks he's dead anyway so
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when she knows because a result is
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reserved even think she knows that she
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thinks is easy says she's calling the
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it's remember that like first of all I
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don't wanna 44 seconds okay used to be
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let's not argue about the silly prequel
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that's on the internet but yeah let's
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with all I speak soon I think it speaks
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to the end in the end the entire arc
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that we get from the doctor to get this
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episode and the fact that it is a
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continuation of the season that we just
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watched yes I suppose I want to get dr.
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solos it is and i actually thought when
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they didn't put Amy and Rory and the
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opening titles i thought how well
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they're just not going to be in it and
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they're not going to deal with it very
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and I thought oh they are moving on me i
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was kind of like we're gonna we're gonna
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see Karen Gillan here our way and we did
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which was nice and and their door not to
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jump to the end but their doors painted
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a lovely shade of blue and that's there
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that's true how does that's what I doubt
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dr. jose is a real boy I found I found
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this whole episode surprisingly moving
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it was at let you know I'm sure we'll
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talk about blood but i think he was a
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little thin and number departments and
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there were things that I'm like they cut
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the explanation for this because it
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makes no sense and it is clear there was
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to be an explanation or repercussion or
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or something and they're like okay bye
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we gotta get the hooks on here but I
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don't know or or who cares right
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I was in tears a number of times and
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there's some terrific lines
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i justyou know the bits o atoms we do
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the plot synopses before we assume
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everyone seen this about me and I yes if
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you haven't seen it you should listen to
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this episode destroy large while time I
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minute i'll jump ahead of my favorite
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scene instance were no not with us
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let's look at the quick recap which is
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that the plot here is that the doctor
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says the earth and then crashes to earth
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and is saved more or less by this woman
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and she never sees his face because he's
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put the spacing on backward and she put
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get them into a police box or or a few
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until they find the right one and uh and
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he basically says if you need me just
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make a wish and i will come which is
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very fairy tale but I thought that kind
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of charming and then her husband husband
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is shown to be over the English Channel
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and his planes going down and she gets a
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telegram saying he's died and she and
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the kids go off to this mansion for
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Christmas
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and the doctor and they make a wish and
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the doctor is there and he's the
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caretaker and he gives them a gift that
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they open to early which is a portal to
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this other planet that where these tree
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people live and there's an adventure
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there with the tree people with my son
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were convinced were bad and I know for a
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fact that no televised entertainment
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will ever portrayed trees as being
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anything but good in the end so there
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was less drama there for me but it was
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really sweet to see if she's like oh the
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tree people their battle and you know
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and then in the end let's see some
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soldiers from halo up here and with a
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giant robot and they threaten the mom
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and it turns out that the whole thing is
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that the heavy piece of she does a
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better job with reading them
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yes he turns out and and the tree people
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who are who are from a planet from an
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old doctor who episode the caves of
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Androzani which is kind of funny the the
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that those people are going to drop acid
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rain on all the trees and kill them the
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trees need to escape and the doctor and
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and the kids and the mom helped them
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escape through the time vortex and the
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you know another they find the husband
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in the time vortex because she's homing
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in on him and everybody lives happily
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ever after because it's the Christmas
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episode and that's progression very
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straightforward so there you go you guys
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nobody knows everybody listen buddy dive
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today I'm sign so people on Twitter
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always like long disappointed by this
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and it happens every year and and and
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i'll say that might have this out I that
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is exactly how they stopped because
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they're they're murderers of joy haha i
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also have this last year and I'll say it
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again i'm not quite sure what they're
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looking for from the Christmas episode
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of da2 yeah just address television set
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it's going to be big and fun they're
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going to cut out all the pseudo
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scientific explanations for what's
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happening it's going to be more like a
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fairy tale or or I or in the case of
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russell davis like an action movie but
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it's not going to be is some kind of
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dark psychodrama right it's gonna be for
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people who got turkey in their stomachs
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and they're settled down with her family
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and they want to see a big kind of
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emotional happy nice kind of story and I
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feel like Steven Moffat and two
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consecutive years has given us different
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kinds of stories but they both are very
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Christmasy very much about family
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and and they fit what you want for
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something like an episode like this
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because it's not going to be a big
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season finale or something it's a
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Christmas episode
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yeah and i think what's interesting is
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that I noted i was watching the BBC
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america was doing a marathon today of
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all the people like the preceding season
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of doctor who and I was watching episode
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night terrors which I i know that many
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of you disliked yes and both of my
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cousins were saying i really like this
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one and one of them pointed out
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something I thought what I would you
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identify the loan i was the lone
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defender but i think they point out
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something really interesting about it
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which is that you know that the family
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aspect is something and parenting is
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something that this season and most of
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moffatts tenure has returned to all wat
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this is a grating that the Christmas
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episode is a great example of you know
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how how important family is and
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especially how important it is to the
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doctor who is essentially alone so I
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think picking up on the threads of you
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know what Russell T Davies did in the
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first few seasons establishing the
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doctor as this last remaining remember
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of society and now you know to sort of
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reinforce the idea that he sort of
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craves a family or some sort of
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emotional connection even if he tries to
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rise above it you know i think that the
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both the previous Christmas this in the
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previous Steven Moffat christmas episode
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really spoke to that i agree i think
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it's so there's a very strong
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I mean that's the i'll tell you now my
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favorite scene because it ties directly
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with that which is when the soldiers
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weather as soldiers are they I mean this
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like the contractor here the right this
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yeah exact water hit 5000 because that
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is a job manager there is no nobody
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little the trees that's think there'll
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scanning her it's like no she's unarmed
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now it's she's arm down its the world
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the world is interfering with the
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scanner please tell me we can tell the
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difference between wall and weapons
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oh yeah and we
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not exactly not another seriously bill
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bill bill bailey who played that the
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bearded guy with the center there who is
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a veteran of space and black books and a
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bunch of other great british comedy is
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every time you showed up you like it's
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Billy no previews in anything so I was
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going to see in there
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the best thing about that scene is that
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she actually does have a gun that's my
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and nothing the whole she's crying she
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starts bursts into tears we got another
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woman's marvelous she burst into tears
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can we interrogate you now and then she
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pulls out the gun and says it's weird a
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war of course she's got a god you slept
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with a gun under your pillow and she
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takes them hostage I'm like you know I
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thought that was just it was a beautiful
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moment it was just great
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well clearly the one of the themes in
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this in this episode is I think he says
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mother christmas at the end right it's
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about it's about motherhood and and
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their the scenes where it turns out the
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trees want a woman they don't want males
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they want they want a woman that
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daughter isn't isn't old enough and you
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know this you know you empowerment of
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mom is like the message of this episode
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the theme of this land and you miss the
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top around that seem gladdened which was
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the topper on that on that scene which
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is oh yeah I don't believe you you can't
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see anything that makes me think that
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you'll use that individuals I'm looking
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for my children and feelings you know
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like your face there is all going wide
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done and done you know it's such a nice
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a topper for all the ladies you probably
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spent hours toiling away in the kitchen
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today they're like yeah I'm gonna sit
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sit back I'm gonna watch Doctor Who oh
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yeah they're basically complimenting me
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for all my hard work at being a mother
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because I'm badass
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yeah yep yep
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yeah i'm just taking a few you know a
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few hundred million tree souls as a
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foster mother temporarily and not a big
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deal if your mom so I don't have that
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line where she's like well I never
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thought would be like to be a tree and
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and now Laura's yeah yeah it's you know
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glad you said something about the plot
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being fan and i thought you know i does
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i thought it was kind of refreshing that
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this wasn't you know the universe isn't
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deputy and we got a ratchet everything
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up and it was a link you know really
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this is about a family and about about
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them saving some trees in a forest and
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the story was beautiful but the plot was
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thin because you know there's never been
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a doctor who in which a bunch of our
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patients space people in the room is for
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the future are likely to destroy some
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kind of resource and he goes well that's
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fine let the acid rain all what we're
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really concerned about here is don't
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yeah it is but I mean really because he
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he always you know he'd be out there in
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the acid with some kind of you know
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thing that deflected the acid or blew up
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the satellites that were structuring the
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thing also that was he doesn't do that
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though right
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he doesn't listen if you're not dead
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trees die I mean he helps them pass on
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to wherever in space they're going to
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live they basically died in and that's
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the forest is destroyed i guess he
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supported but merry christmas haha
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british petroleum we have people so
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y'all kill 3 is at Christmastime squash
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against her wishes fuel
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well there's a rain cloud that's because
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christmas is powered by the screams of
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trees Christmas trees are the greatest
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source of power in the in the universe
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even beyond apparently you know black
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holes and quasars advance right it's
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just awesome trees don't underestimate
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the trees glad it makes perfect sense
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that the Christmas the trees would build
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a system in which a little boy would
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have to touch one an egg would forward
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and then I would follow the ground and
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he'd opened it and it crack open that
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would start off a chain of events that
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would lead to save don't know i'll apply
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that because they're waiting for a girl
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to understand what it's free Scott 044
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host though you have to accept any
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better about it it's a human trap right
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and he was coming
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no wait now Scott's really was coming
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that's the plot they foresaw its each
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was going to camp because what i thought
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was interesting about this was you know
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with the whole point right of the end of
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last season was that the doctor is like
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sort of removing himself from the
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Galactic stage and I wondered if that
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was specifically we force our you
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because there have been so many plots
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were like I we knew the doctor would
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whereas this was just like someone we
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knew someone would come like that he
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come on the person with the doctor
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couldn't the doctor is not who they want
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no you're not strong enough to help
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trust me can we do this they were
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waiting for like her and I like to
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consult I like that he was all cocky
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about it you know because you're plenty
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yeah but then he's like you know
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cringing in pain and she's a garlic it
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continues doesn't it
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well you know if you're going through
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childbirth I guess you know
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yeah that's really the message fair
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that's true so I'll celebration I should
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yes exactly right instruction from
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previous much so through it what did
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what did you all think of the there
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there's before the main plot kicks in
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there's an amusing interlude where the
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doctor who is referred to as the
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caretaker by the family throughout which
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goes with the theme of him becoming
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laying low they call him the caretaker
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right he shows them around the mansion
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which is like wacky mansion designed by
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the doctor I kind of is awesome
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yeah well I almost got the feeling that
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he was basically using the same kind of
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tools that he uses to design the rooms
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and the TARDIS to design the house and
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40 for a little while there I'm like is
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the house just heart like difficulty
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just line the TARDIS up with the front
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door and they actually go through rooms
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of the TARDIS and that why everything's
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all crazy but no no the doctor just
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really really likes interior decorating
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i guess but it was always some kind of
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like will ferrell an elf is my check on
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that I just like the easy constant I
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know you have to B&B i will have my eyes
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wide angle don't go in that room
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Panthers in that room very dangerous
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I I think you're lying on the Panthers
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famous last words just used the tissues
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laboratory with beware of the right
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you're signed where the leopard yeah
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it's able efforts are it's very clear
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that I'm Steven Moffat is very focused
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on the child audience for Doctor Who
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which is great and and this is like the
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perfect i mean my watch my son and
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daughter watching it and thought this is
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written for them I'm my son is watching
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that boy and his is very scared when
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that boy has put in jeopardy and i keep
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saying them it's gonna be okay you know
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it's the doctor who christmas ballons
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how bad could it be
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but he's still like he's very strange
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people on a Sicilian detail pointed out
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by one of my cousin's again was that the
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you know the mat smith compared to david
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tennant christopher eccleston matt smith
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is a much more
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more childlike and he's like his
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maniacally as much more childlike and
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he's much more you know naive in some
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ways that night but like you know much
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more is entrusting this Willy's wanna
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come on it's almost yeah well you'd
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expect that level when he I mean when he
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regenerated his first interaction was
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with a small child and I feel like he
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couldn't help but pattern some of that
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off of off of young Amy Pond and that's
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where we get a lot of his madness
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what if we believe that or are
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characters that whole thing with you
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know Christopher Eccleston's doctor was
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born out of war and he met rose and sort
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of calmed him down he was regenerated
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david tennant who is sort of calmer but
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still a war doctor was still always the
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universe is always at risk always a
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threat everything is always bigger than
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himself and and then you're this doctor
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so everything was resolved he solves
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everything everything was good he got
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his reward and they generated to this
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person who gets to be the playful doctor
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gets to be much more like a Tom bakery
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one or even a patrick not a trout in one
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where he's just sort of almost silly you
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can take it as seriously as Pertwee or
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something he can be he can do that i
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mean this was famously with Stephen
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market says about him but he can do the
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childlike and he can also do the wise
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old man thing and he and matt smith can
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really do this thing's almost
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simultaneously we cannot die it's
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amazing and this in this episode he is
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he is the child like dr. for the whole
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it's actually kind of nice to not have
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an overarching plot and not have a
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companion in the TARDIS at the beginning
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at all and to just say we're going to
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tell a story and the doctors involved
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although he doesn't really need to be
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itself at most of it he kind of is more
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of a neighbor he sets the ball rolling
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and you know gets everything little
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present to another brightness so he gets
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a routing the trouble if he had not been
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there through everything would've been
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fine except there was someone dead but
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other than that everything to find her
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it's a fairly irresponsible present i
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think it's great like this is the safest
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world in the universe except for this
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one period in time which I should know
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that but even if it's really safe world
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would you want your child just wandering
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around the strange world just don't like
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scary if you're talking about it being
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open on christmas day would be all four
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of them four of them yes all four of
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walking into the new world and the
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regrown by that but you know again what
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recommend also have I mean none of
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degree is the nephew from the magician's
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nephew magician's nephew is there any
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just my it's my wardrobe yeah what's the
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title and you go through a portal into a
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snowy world and that is able to work it
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out for checking the lamp the lamp and a
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fun i was very disappointed in the lack
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just like a tiny oh my gosh they're like
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you walked into the street yeah
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yes it seems his spacesuit what I have
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to say we should talk about i think the
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character I was magyar well who is one
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of those extraordinary ministers you
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only almost fine doctor who are not
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another fiction because she's she's
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competent open-minded slightly wacky and
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indomitable and usually that's the
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Dottie person another show can't get
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anything done and doctor who is full of
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characters who are somewhat peculiar
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possibly because you know they had that
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you know some psychic power whatever I
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just love the textures like her so
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here's a loud sound you go explosion she
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goes overseas got you know space suit
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hit the ditch
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no one see the space that course you
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know something science fiction she goes
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down in there and so forth
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i should point out my god when of
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Godwin's law has been complaining on
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twitter that people are going around
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willy-nilly and 1941 stating they knew
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what that new what radar was great i was
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secret in the world war two know what I
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want also there's a 1963 call box in the
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exactly yeah if that's his biggest
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problem with doctor who is that people
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in 1843 did not know about radar i
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called a Nazi because I thought that was
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appropriate
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I don't get it now but the TV
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look at me now didn't have call boxes of
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that style during world war two as well
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I don't know they've always made a point
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of view i'll start is being specifically
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in 1963 complex but then again I could
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just be because that's when doctor who
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started yeah like everyone that you
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skill sands later changed
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I don't know that yes I don't know I'm
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in today's talking trees with exactly do
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you mean woman that's all fine but the i
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like-like point as about you know I
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think there's a certain you know there's
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an argument that these slightly wacky
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characters attract the doctor and vice
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versa and like they're somehow they also
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they're more willing to permeate that
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layer between reality and the fantastic
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right like she's perfectly willing to
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accept up don't tell your dad I've got
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to help a spaceman / angel find a police
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call box without also yes but we also
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know as well enough to say where's your
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mom out this is that notion to the
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doctor and if we get into the cannon
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issues is that the doctor you're like
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the Donna dr. stop is that is that you
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could argue that March much badge at our
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well how to get to that planet at that
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time in order to save all these trees
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souls and help transubstantiated them so
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the doctor was that means for her he
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wasn't a direct driving force here
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actually she wasn't dry seasons trees us
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the trees are Jesus Jesus it's a it's
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just a Christmas miracle the trees gonna
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save the trees although again the trees
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all die
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it's just that their souls are straight
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out into the void which transitions
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Jackie yeah the tracks for real the
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aleve subculture based really hate ACH
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hey they saved one human life in
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exchange while three is but it's fair
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trade right thousand trees or three
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humans trees are really stupid so yeah
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exactly cares about the space trees
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what's so great about trees anyway yeah
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say it aloud the greatest thing they did
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is pretend to be a building is that is
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that from a little spitfire it was not
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hired was kinda weird the tapper that's
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just made out of trees its face what he
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was just a nice including allow reason
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yeah definitely
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it turns into a Russian situations like
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yeah the side part about the daughter
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finally yelling at a sonic screwdriver
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about not being compatible with what you
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do this was going to happen one day it's
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going you know it well our next driver
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something like fruit of the TARDIS I
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mean we have an earlier episode where
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it's like it just kind of produces them
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as a psychic and paints the eleventh
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hour after he blows out the tenants he
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gets that only goes deep cooks up a new
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yeah so it's a little bit of like that
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like has a running argument with the
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that's like that's like you're yelling
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at your sonic screwdriver okay that
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actually makes a strange magic doesn't
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work on a wood and you know how can you
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not make that joke right
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tria I wonder that but whatever right
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down here
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um I do what I do hang on and pretend
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there's a plan that is the best line the
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episode only because it sums up the
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doctor perfectly we were walking home
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with a one of my cousins who has never
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seen a doctor who episode we're trying
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to explain to him what you know and he's
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like he's you know he's in there and
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he's kind of familiar with what
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everybody wants money from the plot
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whatever that line came up and I was
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like that is the best mate Dr Who period
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try to hold on to something looks like
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there's a plan i watch this tonight with
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my brother and mother who are not nerds
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and who have never seen doctor who they
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were unimpressed I must admit
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huh but what any note their souls have
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been removed to the time vortex what
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were they were they expecting nothing
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baby just expected i'm going to
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disappoint them with your saving money
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behind if I was trying to make you login
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and he should have a well my family
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always expects me to disappoint them so
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that's a par for the course Merry
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Christmas out haha intervention exactly
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but no I don't know my mother was
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vaguely aware of what doctor who is what
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she was asleep at the time so she
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doesn't care but my brother at the end
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of it he turned to me and he said so you
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watch the show all the time haha was
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like well it's good i don't know where I
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thought were my cousin was like wait so
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that girl at the end he's got like a
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baby with her and really know
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technically that's his mother-in-law
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you'll have a nice laugh but it's time
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to stop I'd like a nice line Amy's line
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duh she's a good girl about rivers like
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yeah that movie and breaking a second
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yeah it took me a second but it made me
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laugh after that girl I think that's one
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of the nice things that they did is that
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they actually match to last season with
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that one line just you know cultivate
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that mother-daughter relationship and
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make it seem strangely possible
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yeah they're never lettin you look very
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familiar there at the end to worry with
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his little heart and you're about and
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yeah it makes you wonder what you know
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exactly how exactly they're gonna
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approach next season all that together
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time I with a roar back right we know
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they're back for the part of the season
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that's already been reviews too yeah but
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what a great line at the end then we set
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a place for you every year
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oh I mean I don't know that like that
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the dog is crazy with screws god bless
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us everyone
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30 more on the doctors why the Passover
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tradition of leaving this node or after
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the light all the positions for him he's
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Elijah you know he gives her hands
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around so I'm general general thoughts
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let me go around and just get your
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general thoughts about about whether you
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have how you feel about this episode as
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a whole and and and I mean I think we've
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got a good sense but I want to just go
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around and get everybody that chime in a
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little bit dan yeah i mean awesome i
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think ya know generally positive i
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didn't feel necessarily as emotionally
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wrapped up as I thought I felt like I
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was watching a little bit detached and
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really appreciating it and enjoying it
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but not necessarily you know caught up
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in the emotion of adult but i felt the
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same time like if i watch it again I
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might I might find myself a little more
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immersed but I thought overall i really
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enjoyed it
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the writing was good as we expect from
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Steven Moffat it is a nice bookend to
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the last season and still puts us in a
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great position for launching off and
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next year at some point I can't believe
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it's gotta be like other nine nine
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months so we can see more doctor who but
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Sherlock is coming back january first so
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it's not all bad
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that's another five yes that the same
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year I Scott what about you
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well I i enjoyed it so you know good
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rollicking adventure as always wants the
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show to so-called oh I gotta go
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I'm but i know i like to add the only
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thing that bothered me was the the whole
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you know humans are the only people who
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cry when they're happy and then the
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doctor cries at the end it's like oh I'm
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more human-like but I know now why you
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thanks got it I you humanity human woman
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by the way i'm i'm i'm over the time you
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want anything I think it's like enough
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with that yeah I don't understand why
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the doctor wants to be human he doesn't
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you should be he is is better than a
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step but what's to stop trying to be
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with me
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yeah very very nature of you yes there
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you go but overall that was that's tiny
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little niggle bug a whiny little niggle
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exactly but other than that I thought it
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was a lot of fun
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all right Glenn I laughed I cried I know
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I think I thought it was fun it was one
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of those sort of rollicking ones where
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you knew it was gonna turn out right and
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you're like I can't i'll see what's
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coming down the pike and see a fair
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amount of it but it was sweet
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it was beautifully shot and i love the
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actress playing mad she made the episode
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the kids were good and I just thought
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she was just fabulous and I wanted to
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watch I want to spin off with her doing
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something interesting in 1941 the finger
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and in my household of course my
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children are too young and anxious to
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watch anything reassembly doctor who we
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got them for the muppets movie which was
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mashup the entire episode Russia's if I
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thinking he was like young Harry Potter
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what you want to do which is family
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doctor which i think actually did work
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pretty well in the Christmas see Captain
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the nail the feeling that you want to
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get out of a Christmas episode and so I
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that's taken some of the things that
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didn't make sense especially some
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markets making a little more intent i
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russell davis that sort of you get you
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get that way but Steven Moffat
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more calculated and you know it and also
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his kids he runs ideas by his kids or
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gets ideas from them and you can you can
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see an episode like this with the with
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the kids going on this adventure and and
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the mother chasing after them that you
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perspective as a father trying to write
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a show for kids and so his to audiences
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parents are watching it with them and
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picture of his wife bases in there and
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the children but everything sorry is not
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going to be very sorry won't be there
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moment and it's so good they repeated
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how you win every time Glenn cries of
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angel gets his wings like a so much
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please don't do your jimmy sturr
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depression yet every time with Jerry up
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they're gonna get a medical attention
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these christmas specials
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yeah obviously they keep doing them and
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they're gonna keep doing them until
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forever i think i think even if they
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stop doing doctor who seasons they'll
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probably still do the Christmas specials
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at this point is it is it good to do
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them at after doing so many of them now
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every year since 2005 are they you know
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are they running out of steam is this
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i I just I i thought i would ask is it
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is it is a good idea or or do you feel
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like it's getting a little long in the
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tooth I think to break up the fact that
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we're waiting nine months for a new
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episode Easter Special next year it's
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all going to be about the doctor
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which is about bunnies and chocolate and
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I don't know Jesus works into that
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equation
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well the doctor is Jesus so now I don't
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go there you go looking at reasons this
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season is all i can say is last year's
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episode gave us this year's hot gift
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navigable shark which i'm sure you all
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that it does not
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weekly thing was I saw this is like I
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your foot inflatable navigable remote
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online by last year's episode so there's
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a purpose for their whoa i like the
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I think they're gonna agree with them
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they break out the time but they're fun
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it's like bigger chances they don't do
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the rest of the season and they're
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trying on goofy with everything from a
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family perspective i love you know I
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come and stay with my cousin's Christmas
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that's what we made a to this year we
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made eight artists gingerbread house and
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we sat down watched the doctor doctor
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who christmas special after Christmas
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dinner and it's just that you know
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explaining to our cause never been here
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then we accidentally turned on halfway
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through could be DVR'd it and we all
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scream no no to turn it off real eyes
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realize which is also a tradition
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strange which is also a tradition he
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looked confused for use of the DVR
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oh no not again technology fixes all
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right well I think we've said enough and
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I think we all should get back to your
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lives or go to sleep and and and the
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real question is should we continue
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doing these flash vodka haha christmas
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special do you want your christmas night
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back is that it's got I'm not really but
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I think we should do a better podcast
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about whether we should be doing
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podcasts that would be sure
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another time perhaps haha in our in
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Toronto justjust that's a story for
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another Clinton Global just click
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microphone to his lapel and wander
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around his house music to himself and
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that'll be like the next week when the
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Glen podcast which is I don't do that
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heavy breathing the glam nation pod cast
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against like my story got some more
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all right well um I then I think i'm
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going to close the book on this flash
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podcast and on our Christmas discussion
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of Doctor Who and I want to thank
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everybody Merry Christmas everybody
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thanks for coming on but yes there is a
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Happy Hanukkah that's right yes the old
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blue box vortex alright who put that
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wreath in the time vortex we don't know
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where it will end up now
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whoo yeah and for our and for our
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listeners out there in podcast land
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thank you very much for listening to our
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to our podcast this year this this
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conclude
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it's our broadcast year we were goodbye
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you'll never hear from us again or whale
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until 2012 when we will return with more
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nonsense that's right the final year in
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the HIV comparable returns in I don't
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let the title of our next episode is
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that the future it's tomorrow
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