The Incomparable

72: The Screams of Trees


00:00:03   the incomparable podcast number 72 [TS]

00:00:07   December 2011 [TS]

00:00:11   I just like to point out that I'm IMDb [TS]

00:00:14   the doctor who step it says it's [TS]

00:00:17   Christmas Eve 1938 when magyar welcomes [TS]

00:00:20   to the aid of an injured spaceman angel [TS]

00:00:23   yes I like that's actually in the washer [TS]

00:00:26   so's she says it I'm I like that it's [TS]

00:00:28   actually in the text that's let's keep [TS]

00:00:30   it accurate [TS]

00:00:32   wait we haven't started yet yeah well we [TS]

00:00:34   now we have you are listening to the [TS]

00:00:35   incomparable podcast now annual [TS]

00:00:38   tradition of getting together on [TS]

00:00:40   Christmas night and talking about the [TS]

00:00:42   doctor who christmas special that we all [TS]

00:00:44   just watched I am Jason snow and joining [TS]

00:00:47   me tonight on this special flash Doctor [TS]

00:00:51   Who podcast are Dan more'n hide and [TS]

00:00:54   you're far away from home aren't you [TS]

00:00:56   I Jason and i'm calling it from the time [TS]

00:00:58   vortex excellent [TS]

00:01:00   you sound like it how's things at home [TS]

00:01:03   is Scott McNulty hi Scott [TS]

00:01:05   hello you sound normal because you are [TS]

00:01:08   at home [TS]

00:01:09   xiii in a room in a box in a forest [TS]

00:01:13   are you a madman in a box as usually [TS]

00:01:16   ok first and Fleischmann also is at home [TS]

00:01:20   hi Glenn hi you know I just thought we [TS]

00:01:23   could actually start calling this blue [TS]

00:01:24   Boxing Day know how can I help now this [TS]

00:01:30   podcast is over before it began [TS]

00:01:33   haha when I and wins this podcast is a [TS]

00:01:36   negative running time but I actually [TS]

00:01:38   Michael not when i go and serenity [TS]

00:01:43   Caldwell your nightmare [TS]

00:01:46   well I'm a normal life my original home [TS]

00:01:49   yes Silas Angeles so with a microphone [TS]

00:01:52   balanced on two stacks of dvds and if [TS]

00:01:54   piece of scotch tape is stately Wayne [TS]

00:01:57   Manor aren't you [TS]

00:01:59   oh yes Alfred will come by later I and [TS]

00:02:02   i'm in arizona in my parents dining room [TS]

00:02:05   very strange who you're too special [TS]

00:02:07   types of them is a man i'm in mountain [TS]

00:02:10   time Jason why are you talking to self [TS]

00:02:13   your dining room your parents ask yes [TS]

00:02:15   where they've gone to bed and I warned [TS]

00:02:18   them already that I was doing a podcast [TS]

00:02:19   and when they ask what a podcast was I [TS]

00:02:21   said it's like radio except nobody [TS]

00:02:23   listens [TS]

00:02:24   didn't that explains it [TS]

00:02:27   so when you say so to the the 2011 [TS]

00:02:30   version and I i counted this this is the [TS]

00:02:33   i believe seven believe it or not [TS]

00:02:34   Seventh Doctor Who Christmas special [TS]

00:02:38   it's hard to believe really every year [TS]

00:02:40   since 2005 you can count them five six [TS]

00:02:44   seven eight nine ten eleven that's seven [TS]

00:02:46   Christmas specials goodness [TS]

00:02:48   yeah it's pretty crazy and this was [TS]

00:02:50   called the doctor the widow and the [TS]

00:02:54   wardrobe right right right yes right [TS]

00:02:58   yeah i was a kid i can raise even more [TS]

00:03:01   than ok we all agree about the title [TS]

00:03:02   that's good we good we'll start with [TS]

00:03:04   some agreement [TS]

00:03:05   this is an exciting podcast already [TS]

00:03:07   thank you thank you shake goodness i'm [TS]

00:03:08   not editing it myself so I'm so I'm [TS]

00:03:12   interested this is you know this is our [TS]

00:03:14   are freeform fast unedited podcast I'm [TS]

00:03:17   interested in hearing what what [TS]

00:03:18   everybody thought who would like to take [TS]

00:03:20   first crack it's Christmassy if it was [TS]

00:03:25   gross Christmassy but in a different way [TS]

00:03:27   I thanks for last year's Christmas from [TS]

00:03:30   Christmas exactly what does not endanger [TS]

00:03:33   for one was it was at the beginning but [TS]

00:03:36   he blew up the ship in the prayer at the [TS]

00:03:39   better the devil first minute [TS]

00:03:41   the world's a dangerous laughter [TS]

00:03:42   residency databases and they just love i [TS]

00:03:45   love the openings people of earth [TS]

00:03:47   prepare to accompany boom boom [TS]

00:03:50   this is a lovely little bit that you [TS]

00:03:53   always mikey the whole the Christmas Day [TS]

00:03:54   invasion it was practically the entire [TS]

00:03:56   episode donors people of Earth boom just [TS]

00:04:00   like the Vogon constructor fleet but a [TS]

00:04:02   doctor was here to save us [TS]

00:04:03   what did you was that there was a out [TS]

00:04:05   there was a people online is yes yes i'm [TS]

00:04:08   in a half thing we're explains somewhat [TS]

00:04:11   more that is not a ship and holding out [TS]

00:04:12   a button [TS]

00:04:13   yes I saw that yes no yes now i have to [TS]

00:04:16   let go of this button not will be bad [TS]

00:04:18   for me but although the ngspice message [TS]

00:04:22   to record and right but he's calling Amy [TS]

00:04:25   but Jamie thinks he's dead anyway so [TS]

00:04:28   when she knows because a result is [TS]

00:04:31   reserved even think she knows that she [TS]

00:04:34   thinks is easy says she's calling the [TS]

00:04:36   top [TS]

00:04:37   it's remember that like first of all I [TS]

00:04:40   don't wanna 44 seconds okay used to be [TS]

00:04:43   let's not argue about the silly prequel [TS]

00:04:45   that's on the internet but yeah let's [TS]

00:04:46   with all I speak soon I think it speaks [TS]

00:04:48   to the end in the end the entire arc [TS]

00:04:50   that we get from the doctor to get this [TS]

00:04:52   episode and the fact that it is a [TS]

00:04:53   continuation of the season that we just [TS]

00:04:55   watched yes I suppose I want to get dr. [TS]

00:04:58   solos it is and i actually thought when [TS]

00:05:01   they didn't put Amy and Rory and the [TS]

00:05:03   opening titles i thought how well [TS]

00:05:04   they're just not going to be in it and [TS]

00:05:05   they're not going to deal with it very [TS]

00:05:06   and I thought oh they are moving on me i [TS]

00:05:11   was kind of like we're gonna we're gonna [TS]

00:05:13   see Karen Gillan here our way and we did [TS]

00:05:15   which was nice and and their door not to [TS]

00:05:17   jump to the end but their doors painted [TS]

00:05:19   a lovely shade of blue and that's there [TS]

00:05:22   that's true how does that's what I doubt [TS]

00:05:26   dr. jose is a real boy I found I found [TS]

00:05:29   this whole episode surprisingly moving [TS]

00:05:31   it was at let you know I'm sure we'll [TS]

00:05:33   talk about blood but i think he was a [TS]

00:05:35   little thin and number departments and [TS]

00:05:36   there were things that I'm like they cut [TS]

00:05:38   the explanation for this because it [TS]

00:05:39   makes no sense and it is clear there was [TS]

00:05:41   to be an explanation or repercussion or [TS]

00:05:44   or something and they're like okay bye [TS]

00:05:47   we gotta get the hooks on here but I [TS]

00:05:49   don't know or or who cares right [TS]

00:05:51   I was in tears a number of times and [TS]

00:05:52   there's some terrific lines [TS]

00:05:54   i justyou know the bits o atoms we do [TS]

00:05:57   the plot synopses before we assume [TS]

00:05:59   everyone seen this about me and I yes if [TS]

00:06:01   you haven't seen it you should listen to [TS]

00:06:03   this episode destroy large while time I [TS]

00:06:05   minute i'll jump ahead of my favorite [TS]

00:06:07   scene instance were no not with us [TS]

00:06:09   let's look at the quick recap which is [TS]

00:06:10   that the plot here is that the doctor [TS]

00:06:12   says the earth and then crashes to earth [TS]

00:06:15   and is saved more or less by this woman [TS]

00:06:18   and she never sees his face because he's [TS]

00:06:20   put the spacing on backward and she put [TS]

00:06:24   get them into a police box or or a few [TS]

00:06:26   until they find the right one and uh and [TS]

00:06:29   he basically says if you need me just [TS]

00:06:30   make a wish and i will come which is [TS]

00:06:32   very fairy tale but I thought that kind [TS]

00:06:34   of charming and then her husband husband [TS]

00:06:39   is shown to be over the English Channel [TS]

00:06:41   and his planes going down and she gets a [TS]

00:06:43   telegram saying he's died and she and [TS]

00:06:45   the kids go off to this mansion for [TS]

00:06:47   Christmas [TS]

00:06:49   and the doctor and they make a wish and [TS]

00:06:51   the doctor is there and he's the [TS]

00:06:52   caretaker and he gives them a gift that [TS]

00:06:55   they open to early which is a portal to [TS]

00:06:57   this other planet that where these tree [TS]

00:06:59   people live and there's an adventure [TS]

00:07:01   there with the tree people with my son [TS]

00:07:03   were convinced were bad and I know for a [TS]

00:07:05   fact that no televised entertainment [TS]

00:07:07   will ever portrayed trees as being [TS]

00:07:09   anything but good in the end so there [TS]

00:07:10   was less drama there for me but it was [TS]

00:07:13   really sweet to see if she's like oh the [TS]

00:07:15   tree people their battle and you know [TS]

00:07:17   and then in the end let's see some [TS]

00:07:20   soldiers from halo up here and with a [TS]

00:07:23   giant robot and they threaten the mom [TS]

00:07:27   and it turns out that the whole thing is [TS]

00:07:29   that the heavy piece of she does a [TS]

00:07:31   better job with reading them [TS]

00:07:32   yes he turns out and and the tree people [TS]

00:07:34   who are who are from a planet from an [TS]

00:07:37   old doctor who episode the caves of [TS]

00:07:39   Androzani which is kind of funny the the [TS]

00:07:42   that those people are going to drop acid [TS]

00:07:45   rain on all the trees and kill them the [TS]

00:07:46   trees need to escape and the doctor and [TS]

00:07:49   and the kids and the mom helped them [TS]

00:07:51   escape through the time vortex and the [TS]

00:07:54   you know another they find the husband [TS]

00:07:57   in the time vortex because she's homing [TS]

00:08:00   in on him and everybody lives happily [TS]

00:08:02   ever after because it's the Christmas [TS]

00:08:03   episode and that's progression very [TS]

00:08:05   straightforward so there you go you guys [TS]

00:08:07   nobody knows everybody listen buddy dive [TS]

00:08:09   today I'm sign so people on Twitter [TS]

00:08:11   always like long disappointed by this [TS]

00:08:13   and it happens every year and and and [TS]

00:08:15   i'll say that might have this out I that [TS]

00:08:17   is exactly how they stopped because [TS]

00:08:18   they're they're murderers of joy haha i [TS]

00:08:22   also have this last year and I'll say it [TS]

00:08:23   again i'm not quite sure what they're [TS]

00:08:24   looking for from the Christmas episode [TS]

00:08:27   of da2 yeah just address television set [TS]

00:08:31   it's going to be big and fun they're [TS]

00:08:33   going to cut out all the pseudo [TS]

00:08:34   scientific explanations for what's [TS]

00:08:36   happening it's going to be more like a [TS]

00:08:37   fairy tale or or I or in the case of [TS]

00:08:39   russell davis like an action movie but [TS]

00:08:41   it's not going to be is some kind of [TS]

00:08:43   dark psychodrama right it's gonna be for [TS]

00:08:46   people who got turkey in their stomachs [TS]

00:08:48   and they're settled down with her family [TS]

00:08:49   and they want to see a big kind of [TS]

00:08:51   emotional happy nice kind of story and I [TS]

00:08:53   feel like Steven Moffat and two [TS]

00:08:55   consecutive years has given us different [TS]

00:08:57   kinds of stories but they both are very [TS]

00:08:59   Christmasy very much about family [TS]

00:09:02   and and they fit what you want for [TS]

00:09:05   something like an episode like this [TS]

00:09:07   because it's not going to be a big [TS]

00:09:08   season finale or something it's a [TS]

00:09:10   Christmas episode [TS]

00:09:12   yeah and i think what's interesting is [TS]

00:09:13   that I noted i was watching the BBC [TS]

00:09:17   america was doing a marathon today of [TS]

00:09:19   all the people like the preceding season [TS]

00:09:21   of doctor who and I was watching episode [TS]

00:09:23   night terrors which I i know that many [TS]

00:09:25   of you disliked yes and both of my [TS]

00:09:27   cousins were saying i really like this [TS]

00:09:28   one and one of them pointed out [TS]

00:09:30   something I thought what I would you [TS]

00:09:31   identify the loan i was the lone [TS]

00:09:33   defender but i think they point out [TS]

00:09:35   something really interesting about it [TS]

00:09:36   which is that you know that the family [TS]

00:09:38   aspect is something and parenting is [TS]

00:09:40   something that this season and most of [TS]

00:09:42   moffatts tenure has returned to all wat [TS]

00:09:45   this is a grating that the Christmas [TS]

00:09:47   episode is a great example of you know [TS]

00:09:49   how how important family is and [TS]

00:09:51   especially how important it is to the [TS]

00:09:53   doctor who is essentially alone so I [TS]

00:09:56   think picking up on the threads of you [TS]

00:09:57   know what Russell T Davies did in the [TS]

00:09:59   first few seasons establishing the [TS]

00:10:00   doctor as this last remaining remember [TS]

00:10:02   of society and now you know to sort of [TS]

00:10:05   reinforce the idea that he sort of [TS]

00:10:06   craves a family or some sort of [TS]

00:10:08   emotional connection even if he tries to [TS]

00:10:10   rise above it you know i think that the [TS]

00:10:13   both the previous Christmas this in the [TS]

00:10:15   previous Steven Moffat christmas episode [TS]

00:10:16   really spoke to that i agree i think [TS]

00:10:20   it's so there's a very strong [TS]

00:10:22   I mean that's the i'll tell you now my [TS]

00:10:23   favorite scene because it ties directly [TS]

00:10:25   with that which is when the soldiers [TS]

00:10:27   weather as soldiers are they I mean this [TS]

00:10:29   thing's a policeman or melting trees for [TS]

00:10:31   fuel to little confused or contractors [TS]

00:10:34   like the contractor here the right this [TS]

00:10:35   Blackwater likes already [TS]

00:10:37   yeah exact water hit 5000 because that [TS]

00:10:40   is a job manager there is no nobody [TS]

00:10:42   other than no sentient beings other than [TS]

00:10:44   the trees on that land would make a [TS]

00:10:46   little the trees that's think there'll [TS]

00:10:48   be lawsuits it's it's there it's a great [TS]

00:10:50   little bumbling weird I mean it's really [TS]

00:10:52   funny it's good comic relief the three [TS]

00:10:54   contractors and just a bit we're [TS]

00:10:57   scanning her it's like no she's unarmed [TS]

00:10:58   now it's she's arm down its the world [TS]

00:11:01   the world is interfering with the [TS]

00:11:02   scanner please tell me we can tell the [TS]

00:11:04   difference between wall and weapons [TS]

00:11:06   oh yeah and we [TS]

00:11:07   not exactly not another seriously bill [TS]

00:11:10   bill bill bailey who played that the [TS]

00:11:12   bearded guy with the center there who is [TS]

00:11:14   a veteran of space and black books and a [TS]

00:11:17   bunch of other great british comedy is [TS]

00:11:19   was awesome [TS]

00:11:21   every time you showed up you like it's [TS]

00:11:22   Billy no previews in anything so I was [TS]

00:11:24   going to see in there [TS]

00:11:25   the best thing about that scene is that [TS]

00:11:27   she actually does have a gun that's my [TS]

00:11:30   favorite scene is is that after all that [TS]

00:11:32   and nothing the whole she's crying she [TS]

00:11:34   starts bursts into tears we got another [TS]

00:11:36   woman's marvelous she burst into tears [TS]

00:11:38   and then they all put their weapons down [TS]

00:11:40   can we interrogate you now and then she [TS]

00:11:43   pulls out the gun and says it's weird a [TS]

00:11:45   war of course she's got a god you slept [TS]

00:11:47   with a gun under your pillow and she [TS]

00:11:49   takes them hostage I'm like you know I [TS]

00:11:51   thought that was just it was a beautiful [TS]

00:11:52   and I was not quite expecting that [TS]

00:11:55   moment it was just great [TS]

00:11:56   well clearly the one of the themes in [TS]

00:11:58   this in this episode is I think he says [TS]

00:12:01   mother christmas at the end right it's [TS]

00:12:02   about it's about motherhood and and [TS]

00:12:04   their the scenes where it turns out the [TS]

00:12:06   trees want a woman they don't want males [TS]

00:12:10   they want they want a woman that [TS]

00:12:11   daughter isn't isn't old enough and you [TS]

00:12:14   know this you know you empowerment of [TS]

00:12:18   mom is like the message of this episode [TS]

00:12:21   the theme of this land and you miss the [TS]

00:12:22   top around that seem gladdened which was [TS]

00:12:24   the topper on that on that scene which [TS]

00:12:26   is oh yeah I don't believe you you can't [TS]

00:12:28   see anything that makes me think that [TS]

00:12:29   you'll use that individuals I'm looking [TS]

00:12:31   for my children and feelings you know [TS]

00:12:32   like your face there is all going wide [TS]

00:12:35   done and done you know it's such a nice [TS]

00:12:37   a topper for all the ladies you probably [TS]

00:12:40   spent hours toiling away in the kitchen [TS]

00:12:42   today they're like yeah I'm gonna sit [TS]

00:12:43   sit back I'm gonna watch Doctor Who oh [TS]

00:12:46   yeah they're basically complimenting me [TS]

00:12:47   for all my hard work at being a mother [TS]

00:12:50   because I'm badass [TS]

00:12:51   yeah yep yep [TS]

00:12:54   yeah i'm just taking a few you know a [TS]

00:12:57   few hundred million tree souls as a [TS]

00:12:59   foster mother temporarily and not a big [TS]

00:13:01   deal if your mom so I don't have that [TS]

00:13:03   line where she's like well I never [TS]

00:13:05   thought would be like to be a tree and [TS]

00:13:07   and now Laura's yeah yeah it's you know [TS]

00:13:12   glad you said something about the plot [TS]

00:13:13   being fan and i thought you know i does [TS]

00:13:15   i thought it was kind of refreshing that [TS]

00:13:18   this wasn't you know the universe isn't [TS]

00:13:21   deputy and we got a ratchet everything [TS]

00:13:22   up and it was a link you know really [TS]

00:13:24   this is about a family and about about [TS]

00:13:28   them saving some trees in a forest and [TS]

00:13:30   the story was beautiful but the plot was [TS]

00:13:33   thin because you know there's never been [TS]

00:13:34   a doctor who in which a bunch of our [TS]

00:13:36   patients space people in the room is for [TS]

00:13:40   the future are likely to destroy some [TS]

00:13:42   kind of resource and he goes well that's [TS]

00:13:44   fine let the acid rain all what we're [TS]

00:13:46   really concerned about here is don't [TS]

00:13:48   know [TS]

00:13:49   yeah it is but I mean really because he [TS]

00:13:50   he always you know he'd be out there in [TS]

00:13:52   the acid with some kind of you know [TS]

00:13:54   thing that deflected the acid or blew up [TS]

00:13:57   the satellites that were structuring the [TS]

00:13:58   thing also that was he doesn't do that [TS]

00:14:00   though right [TS]

00:14:01   he doesn't listen if you're not dead [TS]

00:14:02   trees die I mean he helps them pass on [TS]

00:14:04   to wherever in space they're going to [TS]

00:14:06   live they basically died in and that's [TS]

00:14:08   the forest is destroyed i guess he [TS]

00:14:11   supported but merry christmas haha [TS]

00:14:14   british petroleum we have people so [TS]

00:14:15   y'all kill 3 is at Christmastime squash [TS]

00:14:18   against her wishes fuel [TS]

00:14:20   well there's a rain cloud that's because [TS]

00:14:23   christmas is powered by the screams of [TS]

00:14:25   trees Christmas trees are the greatest [TS]

00:14:27   source of power in the in the universe [TS]

00:14:29   even beyond apparently you know black [TS]

00:14:31   holes and quasars advance right it's [TS]

00:14:34   just awesome trees don't underestimate [TS]

00:14:36   the trees glad it makes perfect sense [TS]

00:14:38   that the Christmas the trees would build [TS]

00:14:41   a system in which a little boy would [TS]

00:14:43   have to touch one an egg would forward [TS]

00:14:45   and then I would follow the ground and [TS]

00:14:47   he'd opened it and it crack open that [TS]

00:14:49   would start off a chain of events that [TS]

00:14:51   would lead to save don't know i'll apply [TS]

00:14:53   that because they're waiting for a girl [TS]

00:14:55   to understand what it's free Scott 044 [TS]

00:14:59   host though you have to accept any [TS]

00:15:00   better about it it's a human trap right [TS]

00:15:02   and he was coming [TS]

00:15:03   no wait now Scott's really was coming [TS]

00:15:05   that's the plot they foresaw its each [TS]

00:15:07   was going to camp because what i thought [TS]

00:15:10   was interesting about this was you know [TS]

00:15:11   with the whole point right of the end of [TS]

00:15:13   last season was that the doctor is like [TS]

00:15:15   sort of removing himself from the [TS]

00:15:17   Galactic stage and I wondered if that [TS]

00:15:20   was specifically we force our you [TS]

00:15:22   because there have been so many plots [TS]

00:15:23   were like I we knew the doctor would [TS]

00:15:25   come [TS]

00:15:25   whereas this was just like someone we [TS]

00:15:27   knew someone would come like that he [TS]

00:15:29   come on the person with the doctor [TS]

00:15:31   couldn't the doctor is not who they want [TS]

00:15:33   no you're not strong enough to help [TS]

00:15:34   trust me can we do this they were [TS]

00:15:37   waiting for like her and I like to [TS]

00:15:38   consult I like that he was all cocky [TS]

00:15:40   about it you know because you're plenty [TS]

00:15:42   strong [TS]

00:15:43   yeah but then he's like you know [TS]

00:15:45   cringing in pain and she's a garlic it [TS]

00:15:47   continues doesn't it [TS]

00:15:49   well you know if you're going through [TS]

00:15:51   childbirth I guess you know [TS]

00:15:52   yeah that's really the message fair [TS]

00:15:54   that's true so I'll celebration I should [TS]

00:15:58   know [TS]

00:15:58   yes exactly right instruction from [TS]

00:16:01   previous much so through it what did [TS]

00:16:03   what did you all think of the there [TS]

00:16:05   there's before the main plot kicks in [TS]

00:16:07   there's an amusing interlude where the [TS]

00:16:09   doctor who is referred to as the [TS]

00:16:11   caretaker by the family throughout which [TS]

00:16:13   goes with the theme of him becoming [TS]

00:16:15   laying low they call him the caretaker [TS]

00:16:17   right he shows them around the mansion [TS]

00:16:19   which is like wacky mansion designed by [TS]

00:16:22   the doctor I kind of is awesome [TS]

00:16:25   yeah well I almost got the feeling that [TS]

00:16:28   he was basically using the same kind of [TS]

00:16:30   tools that he uses to design the rooms [TS]

00:16:32   and the TARDIS to design the house and [TS]

00:16:34   40 for a little while there I'm like is [TS]

00:16:36   the house just heart like difficulty [TS]

00:16:39   just line the TARDIS up with the front [TS]

00:16:41   door and they actually go through rooms [TS]

00:16:43   of the TARDIS and that why everything's [TS]

00:16:45   all crazy but no no the doctor just [TS]

00:16:47   really really likes interior decorating [TS]

00:16:49   i guess but it was always some kind of [TS]

00:16:51   like will ferrell an elf is my check on [TS]

00:16:52   that I just like the easy constant I [TS]

00:16:55   know you have to B&B i will have my eyes [TS]

00:16:58   wide angle don't go in that room [TS]

00:17:00   Panthers in that room very dangerous [TS]

00:17:01   I I think you're lying on the Panthers [TS]

00:17:03   famous last words just used the tissues [TS]

00:17:06   laboratory with beware of the right [TS]

00:17:08   you're signed where the leopard yeah [TS]

00:17:09   it's able efforts are it's very clear [TS]

00:17:12   that I'm Steven Moffat is very focused [TS]

00:17:15   on the child audience for Doctor Who [TS]

00:17:18   which is great and and this is like the [TS]

00:17:20   perfect i mean my watch my son and [TS]

00:17:22   daughter watching it and thought this is [TS]

00:17:24   written for them I'm my son is watching [TS]

00:17:27   that boy and his is very scared when [TS]

00:17:30   that boy has put in jeopardy and i keep [TS]

00:17:31   saying them it's gonna be okay you know [TS]

00:17:33   it's the doctor who christmas ballons [TS]

00:17:35   how bad could it be [TS]

00:17:36   but he's still like he's very strange [TS]

00:17:38   people on a Sicilian detail pointed out [TS]

00:17:40   by one of my cousin's again was that the [TS]

00:17:42   you know the mat smith compared to david [TS]

00:17:44   tennant christopher eccleston matt smith [TS]

00:17:46   is a much more [TS]

00:17:46   more childlike and he's like his [TS]

00:17:49   maniacally as much more childlike and [TS]

00:17:51   he's much more you know naive in some [TS]

00:17:54   ways that night but like you know much [TS]

00:17:56   more is entrusting this Willy's wanna [TS]

00:17:57   come on it's almost yeah well you'd [TS]

00:17:59   expect that level when he I mean when he [TS]

00:18:01   regenerated his first interaction was [TS]

00:18:03   with a small child and I feel like he [TS]

00:18:06   couldn't help but pattern some of that [TS]

00:18:08   off of off of young Amy Pond and that's [TS]

00:18:10   where we get a lot of his madness [TS]

00:18:13   what if we believe that or are [TS]

00:18:14   characters that whole thing with you [TS]

00:18:16   know Christopher Eccleston's doctor was [TS]

00:18:17   born out of war and he met rose and sort [TS]

00:18:20   of calmed him down he was regenerated [TS]

00:18:21   david tennant who is sort of calmer but [TS]

00:18:24   still a war doctor was still always the [TS]

00:18:26   universe is always at risk always a [TS]

00:18:28   threat everything is always bigger than [TS]

00:18:30   himself and and then you're this doctor [TS]

00:18:33   so everything was resolved he solves [TS]

00:18:35   everything everything was good he got [TS]

00:18:36   his reward and they generated to this [TS]

00:18:38   person who gets to be the playful doctor [TS]

00:18:40   gets to be much more like a Tom bakery [TS]

00:18:42   one or even a patrick not a trout in one [TS]

00:18:45   where he's just sort of almost silly you [TS]

00:18:47   can take it as seriously as Pertwee or [TS]

00:18:49   something he can be he can do that i [TS]

00:18:52   mean this was famously with Stephen [TS]

00:18:53   market says about him but he can do the [TS]

00:18:55   childlike and he can also do the wise [TS]

00:18:58   old man thing and he and matt smith can [TS]

00:19:00   really do this thing's almost [TS]

00:19:01   simultaneously we cannot die it's [TS]

00:19:03   amazing and this in this episode he is [TS]

00:19:06   he is the child like dr. for the whole [TS]

00:19:09   it's actually kind of nice to not have [TS]

00:19:10   an overarching plot and not have a [TS]

00:19:13   companion in the TARDIS at the beginning [TS]

00:19:15   at all and to just say we're going to [TS]

00:19:16   tell a story and the doctors involved [TS]

00:19:18   although he doesn't really need to be [TS]

00:19:20   itself at most of it he kind of is more [TS]

00:19:23   of a neighbor he sets the ball rolling [TS]

00:19:25   and you know gets everything little [TS]

00:19:27   present to another brightness so he gets [TS]

00:19:29   a routing the trouble if he had not been [TS]

00:19:31   there through everything would've been [TS]

00:19:32   fine except there was someone dead but [TS]

00:19:34   other than that everything to find her [TS]

00:19:36   it's a fairly irresponsible present i [TS]

00:19:38   think it's great like this is the safest [TS]

00:19:41   world in the universe except for this [TS]

00:19:44   one period in time which I should know [TS]

00:19:46   that but even if it's really safe world [TS]

00:19:49   would you want your child just wandering [TS]

00:19:51   around the strange world just don't like [TS]

00:19:53   scary if you're talking about it being [TS]

00:19:55   open on christmas day would be all four [TS]

00:19:57   of them four of them yes all four of [TS]

00:20:00   them [TS]

00:20:00   walking into the new world and the [TS]

00:20:01   doctor being like look at this [TS]

00:20:03   there are trees this special extreme [TS]

00:20:06   know it would have been hundreds of your [TS]

00:20:08   letter because time moves differently [TS]

00:20:10   more like this planet is pretty empty i [TS]

00:20:12   thought the trees here it's just a thin [TS]

00:20:15   layer of astronaut trees would have [TS]

00:20:16   regrown by that but you know again what [TS]

00:20:19   they're trying to do is say kids can't [TS]

00:20:21   resist peaking at present certainly [TS]

00:20:22   recommend also have I mean none of [TS]

00:20:24   obviously the plate no Maj to CS lewis [TS]

00:20:28   which I'll think we mentioned at all you [TS]

00:20:30   know what did Uncle Digby the character [TS]

00:20:32   degree is the nephew from the magician's [TS]

00:20:35   nephew magician's nephew is there any [TS]

00:20:37   series but what did they say [TS]

00:20:39   just my it's my wardrobe yeah what's the [TS]

00:20:43   line with you when it's right for the [TS]

00:20:44   title and you go through a portal into a [TS]

00:20:46   snowy world and that is able to work it [TS]

00:20:49   out for checking the lamp the lamp and a [TS]

00:20:53   fun i was very disappointed in the lack [TS]

00:20:56   of streetlamp although there is a there [TS]

00:20:57   just like a tiny oh my gosh they're like [TS]

00:20:59   you walked into the street yeah [TS]

00:21:01   yes it seems his spacesuit what I have [TS]

00:21:05   to say we should talk about i think the [TS]

00:21:07   character I was magyar well who is one [TS]

00:21:09   of those extraordinary ministers you [TS]

00:21:11   only almost fine doctor who are not [TS]

00:21:13   another fiction because she's she's [TS]

00:21:15   competent open-minded slightly wacky and [TS]

00:21:18   indomitable and usually that's the [TS]

00:21:20   Dottie person another show can't get [TS]

00:21:21   anything done and doctor who is full of [TS]

00:21:23   characters who are somewhat peculiar [TS]

00:21:25   possibly because you know they had that [TS]

00:21:28   you know some psychic power whatever I [TS]

00:21:30   just love the textures like her so [TS]

00:21:32   here's a loud sound you go explosion she [TS]

00:21:34   goes overseas got you know space suit [TS]

00:21:37   hit the ditch [TS]

00:21:38   no one see the space that course you [TS]

00:21:40   know something science fiction she goes [TS]

00:21:42   down in there and so forth [TS]

00:21:44   i should point out my god when of [TS]

00:21:46   Godwin's law has been complaining on [TS]

00:21:47   twitter that people are going around [TS]

00:21:49   willy-nilly and 1941 stating they knew [TS]

00:21:51   what that new what radar was great i was [TS]

00:21:54   secret in the world war two know what I [TS]

00:21:56   want also there's a 1963 call box in the [TS]

00:21:59   middle [TS]

00:22:00   exactly yeah if that's his biggest [TS]

00:22:02   problem with doctor who is that people [TS]

00:22:04   in 1843 did not know about radar i [TS]

00:22:07   called a Nazi because I thought that was [TS]

00:22:09   appropriate [TS]

00:22:10   ah [TS]

00:22:12   I don't get it now but the TV [TS]

00:22:16   look at me now didn't have call boxes of [TS]

00:22:19   that style during world war two as well [TS]

00:22:21   I don't know they've always made a point [TS]

00:22:22   of view i'll start is being specifically [TS]

00:22:25   in 1963 complex but then again I could [TS]

00:22:27   just be because that's when doctor who [TS]

00:22:28   started yeah like everyone that you [TS]

00:22:30   skill sands later changed [TS]

00:22:32   I don't know that yes I don't know I'm [TS]

00:22:35   in today's talking trees with exactly do [TS]

00:22:38   you mean woman that's all fine but the i [TS]

00:22:42   like-like point as about you know I [TS]

00:22:44   think there's a certain you know there's [TS]

00:22:46   an argument that these slightly wacky [TS]

00:22:47   characters attract the doctor and vice [TS]

00:22:49   versa and like they're somehow they also [TS]

00:22:52   they're more willing to permeate that [TS]

00:22:54   layer between reality and the fantastic [TS]

00:22:56   right like she's perfectly willing to [TS]

00:22:58   accept up don't tell your dad I've got [TS]

00:23:00   to help a spaceman / angel find a police [TS]

00:23:03   call box without also yes but we also [TS]

00:23:07   know as well enough to say where's your [TS]

00:23:09   mom out this is that notion to the [TS]

00:23:12   doctor and if we get into the cannon [TS]

00:23:14   issues is that the doctor you're like [TS]

00:23:16   the Donna dr. stop is that is that you [TS]

00:23:18   could argue that March much badge at our [TS]

00:23:21   well how to get to that planet at that [TS]

00:23:24   time in order to save all these trees [TS]

00:23:25   souls and help transubstantiated them so [TS]

00:23:28   the doctor was that means for her he [TS]

00:23:30   wasn't a direct driving force here [TS]

00:23:31   actually she wasn't dry seasons trees us [TS]

00:23:35   the trees are Jesus Jesus it's a it's [TS]

00:23:39   just a Christmas miracle the trees gonna [TS]

00:23:41   save the trees although again the trees [TS]

00:23:43   all die [TS]

00:23:44   it's just that their souls are straight [TS]

00:23:46   out into the void which transitions [TS]

00:23:47   Jackie yeah the tracks for real the [TS]

00:23:50   aleve subculture based really hate ACH [TS]

00:23:52   hey they saved one human life in [TS]

00:23:55   exchange while three is but it's fair [TS]

00:23:59   trade right thousand trees or three [TS]

00:24:01   humans trees are really stupid so yeah [TS]

00:24:03   exactly cares about the space trees [TS]

00:24:05   what's so great about trees anyway yeah [TS]

00:24:07   say it aloud the greatest thing they did [TS]

00:24:10   is pretend to be a building is that is [TS]

00:24:14   that from a little spitfire it was not [TS]

00:24:16   hired was kinda weird the tapper that's [TS]

00:24:21   just made out of trees its face what he [TS]

00:24:23   was just a nice including allow reason [TS]

00:24:24   yeah definitely [TS]

00:24:25   it turns into a Russian situations like [TS]

00:24:28   yeah the side part about the daughter [TS]

00:24:31   finally yelling at a sonic screwdriver [TS]

00:24:32   about not being compatible with what you [TS]

00:24:35   do this was going to happen one day it's [TS]

00:24:38   going you know it well our next driver [TS]

00:24:42   something like fruit of the TARDIS I [TS]

00:24:44   mean we have an earlier episode where [TS]

00:24:45   it's like it just kind of produces them [TS]

00:24:47   as a psychic and paints the eleventh [TS]

00:24:49   hour after he blows out the tenants he [TS]

00:24:52   gets that only goes deep cooks up a new [TS]

00:24:54   one [TS]

00:24:54   yeah so it's a little bit of like that [TS]

00:24:56   like has a running argument with the [TS]

00:24:57   that's like that's like you're yelling [TS]

00:24:59   at your sonic screwdriver okay that [TS]

00:25:00   actually makes a strange magic doesn't [TS]

00:25:03   work on a wood and you know how can you [TS]

00:25:04   not make that joke right [TS]

00:25:07   tria I wonder that but whatever right [TS]

00:25:11   down here [TS]

00:25:12   um I do what I do hang on and pretend [TS]

00:25:15   there's a plan that is the best line the [TS]

00:25:17   episode only because it sums up the [TS]

00:25:19   doctor perfectly we were walking home [TS]

00:25:21   with a one of my cousins who has never [TS]

00:25:22   seen a doctor who episode we're trying [TS]

00:25:24   to explain to him what you know and he's [TS]

00:25:27   like he's you know he's in there and [TS]

00:25:29   he's kind of familiar with what [TS]

00:25:31   everybody wants money from the plot [TS]

00:25:32   whatever that line came up and I was [TS]

00:25:33   like that is the best mate Dr Who period [TS]

00:25:36   try to hold on to something looks like [TS]

00:25:39   there's a plan i watch this tonight with [TS]

00:25:42   my brother and mother who are not nerds [TS]

00:25:44   and who have never seen doctor who they [TS]

00:25:47   were unimpressed I must admit [TS]

00:25:49   huh but what any note their souls have [TS]

00:25:52   been removed to the time vortex what [TS]

00:25:53   were they were they expecting nothing [TS]

00:25:55   baby just expected i'm going to [TS]

00:25:57   disappoint them with your saving money [TS]

00:25:58   behind if I was trying to make you login [TS]

00:26:01   and he should have a well my family [TS]

00:26:02   always expects me to disappoint them so [TS]

00:26:04   that's a par for the course Merry [TS]

00:26:07   Christmas out haha intervention exactly [TS]

00:26:11   but no I don't know my mother was [TS]

00:26:13   vaguely aware of what doctor who is what [TS]

00:26:15   she was asleep at the time so she [TS]

00:26:16   doesn't care but my brother at the end [TS]

00:26:19   of it he turned to me and he said so you [TS]

00:26:22   watch the show all the time haha was [TS]

00:26:24   like well it's good i don't know where I [TS]

00:26:27   thought were my cousin was like wait so [TS]

00:26:29   that girl at the end he's got like a [TS]

00:26:31   baby with her and really know [TS]

00:26:33   technically that's his mother-in-law [TS]

00:26:36   you'll have a nice laugh but it's time [TS]

00:26:39   to stop I'd like a nice line Amy's line [TS]

00:26:41   duh she's a good girl about rivers like [TS]

00:26:43   yeah that movie and breaking a second [TS]

00:26:45   yeah it took me a second but it made me [TS]

00:26:47   laugh after that girl I think that's one [TS]

00:26:50   of the nice things that they did is that [TS]

00:26:51   they actually match to last season with [TS]

00:26:53   that one line just you know cultivate [TS]

00:26:54   that mother-daughter relationship and [TS]

00:26:56   make it seem strangely possible [TS]

00:27:00   yeah they're never lettin you look very [TS]

00:27:01   familiar there at the end to worry with [TS]

00:27:03   his little heart and you're about and [TS]

00:27:06   yeah it makes you wonder what you know [TS]

00:27:09   exactly how exactly they're gonna [TS]

00:27:10   approach next season all that together [TS]

00:27:14   time I with a roar back right we know [TS]

00:27:17   they're back for the part of the season [TS]

00:27:18   that's already been reviews too yeah but [TS]

00:27:20   what a great line at the end then we set [TS]

00:27:22   a place for you every year [TS]

00:27:24   oh I mean I don't know that like that [TS]

00:27:27   the dog is crazy with screws god bless [TS]

00:27:31   us everyone [TS]

00:27:32   30 more on the doctors why the Passover [TS]

00:27:35   tradition of leaving this node or after [TS]

00:27:39   the light all the positions for him he's [TS]

00:27:40   Elijah you know he gives her hands [TS]

00:27:43   around so I'm general general thoughts [TS]

00:27:48   let me go around and just get your [TS]

00:27:49   general thoughts about about whether you [TS]

00:27:51   have how you feel about this episode as [TS]

00:27:54   a whole and and and I mean I think we've [TS]

00:27:56   got a good sense but I want to just go [TS]

00:27:58   around and get everybody that chime in a [TS]

00:28:00   little bit dan yeah i mean awesome i [TS]

00:28:02   think ya know generally positive i [TS]

00:28:04   didn't feel necessarily as emotionally [TS]

00:28:06   wrapped up as I thought I felt like I [TS]

00:28:08   was watching a little bit detached and [TS]

00:28:09   really appreciating it and enjoying it [TS]

00:28:11   but not necessarily you know caught up [TS]

00:28:13   in the emotion of adult but i felt the [TS]

00:28:15   same time like if i watch it again I [TS]

00:28:16   might I might find myself a little more [TS]

00:28:19   immersed but I thought overall i really [TS]

00:28:21   enjoyed it [TS]

00:28:22   the writing was good as we expect from [TS]

00:28:24   Steven Moffat it is a nice bookend to [TS]

00:28:27   the last season and still puts us in a [TS]

00:28:30   great position for launching off and [TS]

00:28:31   next year at some point I can't believe [TS]

00:28:33   it's gotta be like other nine nine [TS]

00:28:35   months so we can see more doctor who but [TS]

00:28:38   Sherlock is coming back january first so [TS]

00:28:40   it's not all bad [TS]

00:28:41   that's another five yes that the same [TS]

00:28:43   year I Scott what about you [TS]

00:28:46   well I i enjoyed it so you know good [TS]

00:28:50   rollicking adventure as always wants the [TS]

00:28:52   show to so-called oh I gotta go [TS]

00:29:00   I'm but i know i like to add the only [TS]

00:29:03   thing that bothered me was the the whole [TS]

00:29:05   you know humans are the only people who [TS]

00:29:08   cry when they're happy and then the [TS]

00:29:09   doctor cries at the end it's like oh I'm [TS]

00:29:11   more human-like but I know now why you [TS]

00:29:14   cry [TS]

00:29:15   thanks got it I you humanity human woman [TS]

00:29:20   by the way i'm i'm i'm over the time you [TS]

00:29:22   want anything I think it's like enough [TS]

00:29:25   with that yeah I don't understand why [TS]

00:29:27   the doctor wants to be human he doesn't [TS]

00:29:29   you should be he is is better than a [TS]

00:29:31   step but what's to stop trying to be [TS]

00:29:34   with me [TS]

00:29:34   yeah very very nature of you yes there [TS]

00:29:37   you go but overall that was that's tiny [TS]

00:29:39   little niggle bug a whiny little niggle [TS]

00:29:43   exactly but other than that I thought it [TS]

00:29:45   was a lot of fun [TS]

00:29:46   all right Glenn I laughed I cried I know [TS]

00:29:51   I think I thought it was fun it was one [TS]

00:29:52   of those sort of rollicking ones where [TS]

00:29:54   you knew it was gonna turn out right and [TS]

00:29:56   you're like I can't i'll see what's [TS]

00:29:58   coming down the pike and see a fair [TS]

00:29:59   amount of it but it was sweet [TS]

00:30:01   it was beautifully shot and i love the [TS]

00:30:03   actress playing mad she made the episode [TS]

00:30:05   the kids were good and I just thought [TS]

00:30:07   she was just fabulous and I wanted to [TS]

00:30:09   watch I want to spin off with her doing [TS]

00:30:11   something interesting in 1941 the finger [TS]

00:30:15   and in my household of course my [TS]

00:30:16   children are too young and anxious to [TS]

00:30:18   watch anything reassembly doctor who we [TS]

00:30:20   got them for the muppets movie which was [TS]

00:30:22   good but doctor who would scar them for [TS]

00:30:23   life so that was actually watching my [TS]

00:30:25   laptop while they're watching shaun the [TS]

00:30:26   sheep slightly surreal [TS]

00:30:28   every time I was wearing closed airhead [TS]

00:30:30   phone so that they couldn't hear me but [TS]

00:30:32   I got some shaun the sheep bleating [TS]

00:30:34   through this every time I looked up to [TS]

00:30:35   be some sheep flying through the air and [TS]

00:30:37   i look back to you know children running [TS]

00:30:39   off and away from the mother and so [TS]

00:30:41   forth answer mr. dr. benefits from a [TS]

00:30:44   companion or co-star who is an adult you [TS]

00:30:50   know older adult generally adult woman I [TS]

00:30:54   think we've seen that I think we saw [TS]

00:30:56   that with Donna I think we've seen that [TS]

00:30:58   in the waters of mars i think is this [TS]

00:31:00   the same sort of thing I think it's a [TS]

00:31:02   nice dynamic [TS]

00:31:03   that you know because so many of his [TS]

00:31:05   companions have been young women to see [TS]

00:31:07   somebody who can really hold their own [TS]

00:31:09   against him is always a pleasure women [TS]

00:31:13   who are secure their abilities and he [TS]

00:31:15   lets them show that there's that they're [TS]

00:31:17   actually he's on a self-actualized read [TS]

00:31:19   outside self-actualize ER and with her [TS]

00:31:22   match didn't necessarily believe that [TS]

00:31:24   she seems like I just took it all these [TS]

00:31:25   peoples isn't that lovely like oh yes i [TS]

00:31:27   will guide you through the time vortex [TS]

00:31:28   what an interesting place the doctor [TS]

00:31:30   stick is you know I you could be so much [TS]

00:31:31   more i'll show you that you have such [TS]

00:31:33   great potential and you can make much [TS]

00:31:35   more of your life than you might have [TS]

00:31:36   thought he does that again and again and [TS]

00:31:38   again and it's refreshing when the [TS]

00:31:40   person that he's with this like yeah [TS]

00:31:43   self-assured and like yeah i know you [TS]

00:31:45   you're not so great that was the great [TS]

00:31:49   thing about the Donna relationship and I [TS]

00:31:50   felt that some of that in this too and i [TS]

00:31:53   think that works well with Doctor Who I [TS]

00:31:58   read what about you [TS]

00:31:59   I quite liked it i was just delightful [TS]

00:32:02   all around they got good actors they got [TS]

00:32:05   great actress to play match the kids [TS]

00:32:07   were cute the little kid with the the [TS]

00:32:12   ginger with the glasses he reminds me [TS]

00:32:14   very much of the kid from wrinkle in [TS]

00:32:18   time and i don't know why i have that [TS]

00:32:20   image in my head but it was like a weird [TS]

00:32:22   mashup the entire episode Russia's if I [TS]

00:32:24   know this is supposed to be working off [TS]

00:32:26   of you know CS lewis but I can't help [TS]

00:32:28   but think of wrinkle and I'm i kept [TS]

00:32:30   thinking he was like young Harry Potter [TS]

00:32:32   or matt mixed with Peter Billingsley [TS]

00:32:34   from christmas story right out [TS]

00:32:38   well I just perfectly way and ashes that [TS]

00:32:40   is true now if they maybe you could put [TS]

00:32:42   my eye out with that thing joke about [TS]

00:32:43   the screen sonic screwdriver we really [TS]

00:32:45   would have had something to better [TS]

00:32:47   effect that sadly sadly it's forbidden [TS]

00:32:50   even without that [TS]

00:32:51   yea even without that it was delightful [TS]

00:32:53   episode i was very happy by it [TS]

00:32:55   no I well I agree I I like i said at the [TS]

00:32:59   beginning I'd you know you people love [TS]

00:33:01   to complain and I i feel like these [TS]

00:33:04   Christmas episodes and as Americans it's [TS]

00:33:06   hard to see because there's this grand [TS]

00:33:07   tradition of it in the UK and not in the [TS]

00:33:09   US where the network's generally just [TS]

00:33:11   plant on Christmas or or literally punt [TS]

00:33:14   and put on a football game but that's [TS]

00:33:15   about it and but it does it delivers [TS]

00:33:18   what you want to do which is family [TS]

00:33:20   entertainment and a big story and makes [TS]

00:33:22   you feel happy and it's Christmas night [TS]

00:33:23   and you know it's a capper to that you [TS]

00:33:26   know that this special day and and I [TS]

00:33:29   felt like Steven Moffat I think maybe [TS]

00:33:32   has a better handle on that I think that [TS]

00:33:34   Russell Davis felt like what you need to [TS]

00:33:35   do was keep cranking up the spectacle [TS]

00:33:38   and with the exception of the next [TS]

00:33:41   doctor which i think actually did work [TS]

00:33:43   pretty well in the Christmas see Captain [TS]

00:33:46   vane I think Steven Moffat has outpaced [TS]

00:33:50   russell davis with really trying to get [TS]

00:33:52   to the root of what you want to do what [TS]

00:33:55   um what kind of themes you want to talk [TS]

00:33:57   about and what kind of visuals you want [TS]

00:34:00   with snow and and and that the trees [TS]

00:34:03   that the with the with the pint you know [TS]

00:34:05   pine needles well three Zaillian trees [TS]

00:34:07   but they look like Christmas trees and [TS]

00:34:09   it all that just felt like they nailed [TS]

00:34:12   the nail the feeling that you want to [TS]

00:34:14   get out of a Christmas episode and so I [TS]

00:34:17   i liked it too [TS]

00:34:19   it's also possible student Moffat [TS]

00:34:20   doesn't write everything at 2am the [TS]

00:34:23   night before it has to be shot [TS]

00:34:25   yes I think we must carefully thousand [TS]

00:34:27   yea there is a little bit more care [TS]

00:34:29   that's taken some of the things that [TS]

00:34:30   didn't make sense especially some [TS]

00:34:31   christmas specials really had to do with [TS]

00:34:33   with russell davies schedule more than [TS]

00:34:36   perhaps his intent i don't know any and [TS]

00:34:37   markets making a little more intent i [TS]

00:34:39   think you get the good and the bad with [TS]

00:34:40   russell davis that sort of you get you [TS]

00:34:42   get that way but Steven Moffat [TS]

00:34:43   definitely seems to be much more much [TS]

00:34:46   more calculated and you know it and also [TS]

00:34:48   I think he's inspired by his kids which [TS]

00:34:50   somebody said earlier that the apparent [TS]

00:34:51   parenting and and you know being a [TS]

00:34:54   parent was definitely a theme of the [TS]

00:34:56   last season of doctor who and family [TS]

00:34:58   keeps coming up and he talks about how [TS]

00:35:00   his kids he runs ideas by his kids or [TS]

00:35:03   gets ideas from them and you can you can [TS]

00:35:06   tell that and and i think that when you [TS]

00:35:08   see an episode like this with the with [TS]

00:35:10   the kids going on this adventure and and [TS]

00:35:12   the mother chasing after them that you [TS]

00:35:14   definitely he's coming from a [TS]

00:35:16   perspective as a father trying to write [TS]

00:35:18   a show for kids and so his to audiences [TS]

00:35:21   really i think that the shooting for are [TS]

00:35:22   the kids who are watching it and their [TS]

00:35:24   parents are watching it with them and [TS]

00:35:25   you can feel it when the stuff that he [TS]

00:35:27   writes and not just the Christmas [TS]

00:35:28   special something [TS]

00:35:29   but everything he does for Doctor Who [TS]

00:35:30   there's a heartbreaking moment to the [TS]

00:35:32   thing that really maybe personal tears [TS]

00:35:33   when the father's in the plane and when [TS]

00:35:36   he realizes he's going to die they're [TS]

00:35:37   going down the channel that he looks the [TS]

00:35:39   picture of his wife bases in there and [TS]

00:35:40   says I'm sorry [TS]

00:35:42   you know that's you know what that's [TS]

00:35:43   like when you're in that kind of about [TS]

00:35:45   the children but everything sorry is not [TS]

00:35:47   going to be very sorry won't be there [TS]

00:35:48   for her and that is that kind of true [TS]

00:35:50   moment you can't fake that line or that [TS]

00:35:52   moment and it's so good they repeated [TS]

00:35:54   the cycle back later [TS]

00:35:56   could she know who suckled that moment [TS]

00:35:58   and so for everybody who had that scene [TS]

00:36:00   in there what will make Glenn cry this [TS]

00:36:02   time OneRepublic oh we all pick that's [TS]

00:36:08   how you win every time Glenn cries of [TS]

00:36:11   angel gets his wings like a so much [TS]

00:36:13   please don't do your jimmy sturr [TS]

00:36:14   depression yet every time with Jerry up [TS]

00:36:21   they're gonna get a medical attention [TS]

00:36:23   again one last one last question before [TS]

00:36:25   we go which is a more generally about [TS]

00:36:27   these christmas specials [TS]

00:36:29   yeah obviously they keep doing them and [TS]

00:36:32   they're gonna keep doing them until [TS]

00:36:34   forever i think i think even if they [TS]

00:36:36   stop doing doctor who seasons they'll [TS]

00:36:38   probably still do the Christmas specials [TS]

00:36:39   at this point is it is it good to do [TS]

00:36:41   them at after doing so many of them now [TS]

00:36:44   every year since 2005 are they you know [TS]

00:36:47   are they running out of steam is this [TS]

00:36:49   i I just I i thought i would ask is it [TS]

00:36:52   is it is a good idea or or do you feel [TS]

00:36:55   like it's getting a little long in the [TS]

00:36:57   tooth I think to break up the fact that [TS]

00:36:59   we're waiting nine months for a new [TS]

00:37:01   episode Easter Special next year it's [TS]

00:37:04   all going to be about the doctor [TS]

00:37:06   rediscovering the meaning of Easter [TS]

00:37:08   which is about bunnies and chocolate and [TS]

00:37:11   I don't know Jesus works into that [TS]

00:37:13   equation [TS]

00:37:14   well the doctor is Jesus so now I don't [TS]

00:37:17   go there you go looking at reasons this [TS]

00:37:19   season is all i can say is last year's [TS]

00:37:21   episode gave us this year's hot gift [TS]

00:37:23   before footlong helium inflatable [TS]

00:37:26   navigable shark which i'm sure you all [TS]

00:37:27   know about those who are parents know [TS]

00:37:29   that it does not [TS]

00:37:30   yes and i would recommend it was bigger [TS]

00:37:32   yeah that's right questions like my [TS]

00:37:34   weekly thing was I saw this is like I [TS]

00:37:35   don't think there's room in her house of [TS]

00:37:37   your foot inflatable navigable remote [TS]

00:37:39   control should argue that Harper box [TS]

00:37:41   there but it will [TS]

00:37:42   abs but i believe that was inspired [TS]

00:37:44   online by last year's episode so there's [TS]

00:37:46   a purpose for their whoa i like the [TS]

00:37:49   Christmas specials [TS]

00:37:49   I think they're gonna agree with them [TS]

00:37:51   they break out the time but they're fun [TS]

00:37:52   it's like bigger chances they don't do [TS]

00:37:54   the rest of the season and they're [TS]

00:37:56   trying on goofy with everything from a [TS]

00:37:58   family perspective i love you know I [TS]

00:38:00   come and stay with my cousin's Christmas [TS]

00:38:02   and I love well it's a tradition and [TS]

00:38:04   that's what we made a to this year we [TS]

00:38:05   made eight artists gingerbread house and [TS]

00:38:07   we sat down watched the doctor doctor [TS]

00:38:09   who christmas special after Christmas [TS]

00:38:10   dinner and it's just that you know [TS]

00:38:12   explaining to our cause never been here [TS]

00:38:13   before this is kind of a tradition and [TS]

00:38:16   then we accidentally turned on halfway [TS]

00:38:17   through could be DVR'd it and we all [TS]

00:38:18   scream no no to turn it off real eyes [TS]

00:38:20   realize which is also a tradition [TS]

00:38:24   strange which is also a tradition he [TS]

00:38:26   looked confused for use of the DVR [TS]

00:38:28   oh no not again technology fixes all [TS]

00:38:32   right well I think we've said enough and [TS]

00:38:35   I think we all should get back to your [TS]

00:38:36   lives or go to sleep and and and the [TS]

00:38:40   real question is should we continue [TS]

00:38:41   doing these flash vodka haha christmas [TS]

00:38:44   special do you want your christmas night [TS]

00:38:46   back is that it's got I'm not really but [TS]

00:38:48   I think we should do a better podcast [TS]

00:38:50   about whether we should be doing [TS]

00:38:51   podcasts that would be sure [TS]

00:38:53   another time perhaps haha in our in [TS]

00:38:57   Toronto justjust that's a story for [TS]

00:38:59   another Clinton Global just click [TS]

00:39:00   microphone to his lapel and wander [TS]

00:39:02   around his house music to himself and [TS]

00:39:04   that'll be like the next week when the [TS]

00:39:06   Glen podcast which is I don't do that [TS]

00:39:08   heavy breathing the glam nation pod cast [TS]

00:39:11   against like my story got some more [TS]

00:39:15   all right well um I then I think i'm [TS]

00:39:18   going to close the book on this flash [TS]

00:39:20   podcast and on our Christmas discussion [TS]

00:39:22   of Doctor Who and I want to thank [TS]

00:39:24   everybody Merry Christmas everybody [TS]

00:39:26   thanks for coming on but yes there is a [TS]

00:39:30   fish [TS]

00:39:30   Happy Hanukkah that's right yes the old [TS]

00:39:33   blue box vortex alright who put that [TS]

00:39:39   wreath in the time vortex we don't know [TS]

00:39:42   where it will end up now [TS]

00:39:43   whoo yeah and for our and for our [TS]

00:39:47   listeners out there in podcast land [TS]

00:39:49   thank you very much for listening to our [TS]

00:39:51   to our podcast this year this this [TS]

00:39:54   conclude [TS]

00:39:54   it's our broadcast year we were goodbye [TS]

00:39:58   you'll never hear from us again or whale [TS]

00:40:00   until 2012 when we will return with more [TS]

00:40:03   nonsense that's right the final year in [TS]

00:40:06   the HIV comparable returns in I don't [TS]

00:40:09   let the title of our next episode is [TS]

00:40:10   that the future it's tomorrow [TS]

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