The Incomparable

67: Darth Vader`s Office is Really Weird


00:00:00   imperial probe board and I'm my parents [TS]

00:00:04   and other side we're gonna remember [TS]

00:00:08   where r everyone around is that [TS]

00:00:10   comfortable contest 67 November 2011 me [TS]

00:00:19   welcome back to the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:21   tonight we've got a very special episode [TS]

00:00:23   its part 1 of approximately 8,000 about [TS]

00:00:28   the Empire Strikes Back seconds of the [TS]

00:00:32   classic Star Wars films and i gotta tell [TS]

00:00:36   you we had dozens if not hundreds of [TS]

00:00:40   people clamoring to be on this podcast [TS]

00:00:41   and after a series of strict tests where [TS]

00:00:45   people have to fill out a sheet of [TS]

00:00:48   scantron forms with number two pencils [TS]

00:00:51   and we we graded their essays and [TS]

00:00:53   various other things happen we were left [TS]

00:00:55   with three panelists joining me to [TS]

00:00:57   discuss the second star wars movie of [TS]

00:00:59   course the two biggest star wars nerds i [TS]

00:01:03   know are here and they are damned Ouran [TS]

00:01:06   High Dam [TS]

00:01:08   hi Jason may the force be thank you and [TS]

00:01:11   always with you and John siracusa hai [TS]

00:01:14   jaan i'm ready Jason I I can feel it [TS]

00:01:18   I know you're ready he was born and [TS]

00:01:20   writings me a little bit [TS]

00:01:21   also joining me i don't know would you [TS]

00:01:23   consider yourself a star wars nerd to [TS]

00:01:25   serenity called well maybe just a little [TS]

00:01:28   bit [TS]

00:01:28   seeing as how empires on my number one [TS]

00:01:32   of all time movies list so you know well [TS]

00:01:35   that's what you said on your on your [TS]

00:01:36   entrance exam and that's why we admitted [TS]

00:01:38   you to this episode tough competition if [TS]

00:01:41   she could be turned she would be a great [TS]

00:01:44   ass powerful ally because all greatness [TS]

00:01:47   want to do is talk about how Star Wars [TS]

00:01:49   the original was better and so he was [TS]

00:01:51   rejected [TS]

00:01:52   yeah I can't have that no no that's not [TS]

00:01:54   constructive [TS]

00:01:55   we're talking countries also is also [TS]

00:01:57   wrong so you know yes uh so-so Empire [TS]

00:02:01   Strikes Back 1980 second movie set the [TS]

00:02:04   first movie made under lots of pressure [TS]

00:02:06   who knew whether it was going to be a [TS]

00:02:07   success or a flop obviously was a wild [TS]

00:02:10   success and so we've got an upgraded [TS]

00:02:12   budget and the knowledge that this is a [TS]

00:02:14   cultural phenomenon now that goes into [TS]

00:02:16   the making of this and another [TS]

00:02:18   fascinating thing about this movie is [TS]

00:02:20   that George Lucas the writer and [TS]

00:02:21   director of the first movie is not [TS]

00:02:23   credited with either of those tasks here [TS]

00:02:25   that there is urban Kirchner's the [TS]

00:02:28   director and although George Lucas Lucas [TS]

00:02:30   has a story credit because he did [TS]

00:02:31   fashion the story of Star [TS]

00:02:33   Morris Leigh Brackett and lawrence [TS]

00:02:35   kasdan are credited as the screenwriters [TS]

00:02:37   so step back from George Lucas which i [TS]

00:02:41   think is probably a a good thing so [TS]

00:02:44   before that may be why it's the best [TS]

00:02:46   stock course movies could be could be in [TS]

00:02:49   hindsight could very well be so my goal [TS]

00:02:54   i think is too i think i think we'll [TS]

00:02:58   just walk through the movie [TS]

00:02:59   chronologically at first because that [TS]

00:03:02   worked pretty well with Star Wars and [TS]

00:03:04   some of the other movies that we've done [TS]

00:03:05   but before I start it is there anything [TS]

00:03:09   in particular [TS]

00:03:10   do you have any access to grind anything [TS]

00:03:12   you'd like to bring up now before we [TS]

00:03:14   dive in to the beginning of the empire [TS]

00:03:16   strikes back [TS]

00:03:17   anyone have some have some opening [TS]

00:03:18   opening remarks yes over the chair [TS]

00:03:21   recognizes the senator fight altar I i [TS]

00:03:23   have a row I've rebuttal iio I did [TS]

00:03:28   organize my notes according to like I [TS]

00:03:29   could walk to the movie chronologically [TS]

00:03:31   but I have some stuff that's at the [TS]

00:03:32   beginning it's not about a specific part [TS]

00:03:34   of the movie just kind of like setting [TS]

00:03:35   the stage chair [TS]

00:03:36   yeah so the first thing is a quote from [TS]

00:03:39   that Empire Strikes Back the making of [TS]

00:03:41   empire strikes back book that will [TS]

00:03:42   mention that we had and we're in various [TS]

00:03:44   states of flipping to and reading and it [TS]

00:03:47   was a quote from i think was an [TS]

00:03:49   applicable i also have the new hope one [TS]

00:03:51   I remember was from but it was a second [TS]

00:03:53   hand corner which was firsthand because [TS]

00:03:54   will be deliciously ironic just like [TS]

00:03:56   that lucrative where he talks about the [TS]

00:03:57   sins of changing past works you see that [TS]

00:04:00   one being the best around the internet [TS]

00:04:01   so this is a slightly different one is [TS]

00:04:02   second-hand books it's somebody I forget [TS]

00:04:04   who it was who worked for Lucas and who [TS]

00:04:07   is relaying to someone interviewing him [TS]

00:04:10   i guess in the in the early eighties [TS]

00:04:11   maybe right after New Hope saying what [TS]

00:04:13   George always says about movies as well [TS]

00:04:15   George I talked to the movies George [TS]

00:04:17   always says well you know how I'm real [TS]

00:04:18   estate is location location location [TS]

00:04:20   where George always tells me and movies [TS]

00:04:22   that script script script which is a [TS]

00:04:26   hilarious court coming from the person [TS]

00:04:28   responsible for some of the worst [TS]

00:04:29   scripts ever created by man but my [TS]

00:04:32   opening statement Empire is going to be [TS]

00:04:34   that if I had to pick the number one [TS]

00:04:36   reason that this movie is better than [TS]

00:04:38   all the other Star Wars movies and there [TS]

00:04:40   are many reasons many very important [TS]

00:04:42   reasons but i'm going to have to pick [TS]

00:04:43   one it would be the script and I think [TS]

00:04:46   that [TS]

00:04:46   we will see as we talked about this [TS]

00:04:48   movie that is one thread that runs [TS]

00:04:50   through the entire thing and the other [TS]

00:04:51   opening comment that i have is the fact [TS]

00:04:53   that this is a middle chapter movie [TS]

00:04:56   winning in the trilogy of star wars were [TS]

00:04:58   forgetting about those movies that the [TS]

00:05:01   first movie you know sets the stage in [TS]

00:05:04   the second movie ends in the middle [TS]

00:05:05   chapter has advantages and disadvantages [TS]

00:05:07   now the disadvantages are obvious that [TS]

00:05:10   it doesn't get to show us like a new [TS]

00:05:13   stuff like hey there's such a thing as [TS]

00:05:14   lightsabers in the force and x-wings [TS]

00:05:16   because the first we got to do that [TS]

00:05:17   right and it also doesn't get to resolve [TS]

00:05:20   the conflict as well see if we go to the [TS]

00:05:21   movie because then why would there ever [TS]

00:05:23   be another movie so that kind of hurts [TS]

00:05:25   you as the movie but the advantages are [TS]

00:05:27   that we already know the characters they [TS]

00:05:29   already understand the universe and I [TS]

00:05:30   bet greg was here he would be having a [TS]

00:05:32   whole debate about why this makes this [TS]

00:05:33   really works and so on and so forth but [TS]

00:05:35   i think this sets the stage for what [TS]

00:05:37   we're about to go into and everything [TS]

00:05:39   else in this movie that we will talk [TS]

00:05:41   about kind of hinges on those things [TS]

00:05:45   that this is a middle chapter movie and [TS]

00:05:47   the scripture so much better than the [TS]

00:05:48   other movies and yeah maybe it's because [TS]

00:05:49   Lucas didn't write it and so on and so [TS]

00:05:51   forth but those are my opening comments [TS]

00:05:53   on Empire to add two things one thing [TS]

00:05:55   that I found fascinating is it maybe I [TS]

00:05:58   lewd to this on the first Star Wars [TS]

00:06:00   podcast that i'm a big fan of the the [TS]

00:06:03   radio drama versions of the at least the [TS]

00:06:05   star wars empire which both came out [TS]

00:06:07   fairly close to i think the star wars [TS]

00:06:09   radio drama came out in 1980 and the [TS]

00:06:11   Empire one came out like 81 or something [TS]

00:06:14   and I think what was interesting was i [TS]

00:06:17   remember reading a little bit of when i [TS]

00:06:18   first got like the tapes that mantle [TS]

00:06:20   intro and talked about the fact that [TS]

00:06:22   despite empires were two in two and a [TS]

00:06:24   quarter hour movie roughly there's about [TS]

00:06:27   40 minutes of dialogue in that which [TS]

00:06:30   always struck me you know as of such a [TS]

00:06:33   fascinating fact like this is this is a [TS]

00:06:36   movie that as Jon says you know the [TS]

00:06:38   script is really important and does a [TS]

00:06:39   really good job but it's also very [TS]

00:06:41   economical there's not in that in that [TS]

00:06:44   struck me watching it again is just how [TS]

00:06:46   pared down and to the point a lot of it [TS]

00:06:50   is and when I was sort of joking before [TS]

00:06:51   we started out here about how i was [TS]

00:06:53   reading the the earlier drafts that they [TS]

00:06:55   quote in the making a star wars book and [TS]

00:06:57   saying there were bad i think a lot of [TS]

00:06:58   it is because [TS]

00:07:00   they're they're really heavy and and [TS]

00:07:02   like you know there's a lot of [TS]

00:07:04   explication there's a lot of almost [TS]

00:07:06   everything you know was trimmed down you [TS]

00:07:08   can see the basic skeleton of it but [TS]

00:07:10   there's all the superfluous stuff and [TS]

00:07:11   you realize well that's turns out that's [TS]

00:07:13   not actually necessary it and in many [TS]

00:07:16   ways it's a movie that does a whole lot [TS]

00:07:19   more with a whole lot less have you been [TS]

00:07:21   reading my notes [TS]

00:07:22   yes scarily scarily second ya well I [TS]

00:07:28   tell you I don't tell you and I don't [TS]

00:07:29   know it's alright i'm just talking off [TS]

00:07:32   the top of my head [TS]

00:07:33   alright do so well at that point we'll [TS]

00:07:35   come back as we get to individual scenes [TS]

00:07:37   I definitely I think it's interesting [TS]

00:07:39   that you bring up the radio dramas to [TS]

00:07:41   because i hadn't listened to them until [TS]

00:07:42   last year and the star wars radio drama [TS]

00:07:45   the New Hope radio drama has quite a few [TS]

00:07:47   added scenes but the Empire drama really [TS]

00:07:52   doesn't have all that much you know [TS]

00:07:53   it'sit's longer certainly then the film [TS]

00:07:56   but in terms of extra extra scenes and [TS]

00:07:59   extra dialogue there really isn't that [TS]

00:08:01   much it was like I use pretty closely [TS]

00:08:03   yeah a couple really nice scenes they do [TS]

00:08:05   a scene where at where yah where han and [TS]

00:08:08   luke are in the tent after he's found [TS]

00:08:10   him on Hoth which is kind of a great [TS]

00:08:11   scene because it's that it's hot in Luke [TS]

00:08:13   bickering back and they sort of started [TS]

00:08:14   out being oh thanks for coming out get [TS]

00:08:16   me but as the you know the night goes on [TS]

00:08:18   and where's in today and they're not [TS]

00:08:19   sure if they're gonna make it they start [TS]

00:08:20   bickering and its really great banter [TS]

00:08:23   they do the brian daly who wrote the [TS]

00:08:24   scripts for all three of those and as [TS]

00:08:27   well as the sum of the Han Solo novels [TS]

00:08:29   did a really fantastic job of capturing [TS]

00:08:32   the tone perfectly it shows their [TS]

00:08:34   friendship very well the thing about [TS]

00:08:36   empire that I think makes it for me and [TS]

00:08:39   especially because it's a middle chapter [TS]

00:08:40   and you think about middle chapter [TS]

00:08:41   movies or just mill chapters in general [TS]

00:08:43   I mean there's a lot of expectation [TS]

00:08:45   there it's really hard to tell that kind [TS]

00:08:47   of a story [TS]

00:08:48   the thing that makes empire so great at [TS]

00:08:50   least in my book is that it's very [TS]

00:08:51   cleanly in a certain way setup as three [TS]

00:08:55   distinct stories throughout the course [TS]

00:08:57   of the film and they're almost like [TS]

00:08:58   their little individual short stories [TS]

00:09:01   built within this greater universe that [TS]

00:09:03   happened to tie together so it's almost [TS]

00:09:05   like for a certain extent you could [TS]

00:09:07   watch just the database section you can [TS]

00:09:08   watch just the cloud City section it [TS]

00:09:10   almost feels very closely to the Flash [TS]

00:09:12   Gordon [TS]

00:09:13   cereals that you know start horses he's [TS]

00:09:15   back together being yeah they're [TS]

00:09:17   vignettes and I but there they are done [TS]

00:09:20   so nicely whereas New Hope is very much [TS]

00:09:22   an overarching story and they don't have [TS]

00:09:23   quite those segments quite as well built [TS]

00:09:26   i think the way Empire builds those in [TS]

00:09:28   addition to the dialogue which I agree [TS]

00:09:29   with both John and Dan and also the the [TS]

00:09:32   fact with the script is it's not even so [TS]

00:09:34   much the dialogue it's what's not said [TS]

00:09:36   and the way the story is built without [TS]

00:09:38   over explicate is just less is more [TS]

00:09:41   let's see how we can communicate this [TS]

00:09:43   without speaking for two pages about how [TS]

00:09:47   you know how we must find the rebels or [TS]

00:09:50   anything [TS]

00:09:51   no it just happens I've seen this movie [TS]

00:09:53   countless times and in watching begin in [TS]

00:09:57   preparation for this podcast and taking [TS]

00:09:59   notes so i actually watched it with my [TS]

00:10:00   kids know every time you watch movie you [TS]

00:10:04   notice I ideally you notice something [TS]

00:10:05   new and maybe it was just the act of [TS]

00:10:08   knowing we were going to talk about it [TS]

00:10:10   was the act of taking notes but what I [TS]

00:10:13   really noticed this time and again we [TS]

00:10:14   can talk about this as we go through I [TS]

00:10:16   noticed the dialogue and it's not just [TS]

00:10:19   because we've seen some George Lucas [TS]

00:10:21   written movies where the dialogue is [TS]

00:10:22   terrible i just noticed the the velocity [TS]

00:10:26   of the dialogue particularly between han [TS]

00:10:29   and Leia that it's it's kind of [TS]

00:10:33   breathtaking in the speed of some of [TS]

00:10:35   their encounters and I think actually [TS]

00:10:38   kind of bold that they they talk so fast [TS]

00:10:40   that it's kind of hard to understand [TS]

00:10:42   everything but they're saying because it [TS]

00:10:43   happens its parts so mad and it is [TS]

00:10:46   almost walking in space yeah it's almost [TS]

00:10:48   like screwball forties kinda well kind [TS]

00:10:51   of your mind your mind at all my bracket [TS]

00:10:54   bracket wrote nor in the 40 I mean she [TS]

00:10:56   wrote the I think uncredited she worked [TS]

00:10:58   on the screenplay for the big sleep so [TS]

00:11:01   you know chichi was a veteran of that I [TS]

00:11:03   don't know how much that carries over [TS]

00:11:04   from the stuff that she does because I'm [TS]

00:11:06   sure jonel will note that she you know a [TS]

00:11:08   lot of her early draft stuff was sort of [TS]

00:11:09   overwritten I i do by the fact that [TS]

00:11:12   despite that she was Mason mostly [TS]

00:11:14   overwritten that her spirit sort of like [TS]

00:11:17   the boot [TS]

00:11:18   I i get the impression i'm not a movie [TS]

00:11:20   script writer but I get the impression [TS]

00:11:20   is if you're called in to basically [TS]

00:11:23   override re write a script by a famous [TS]

00:11:26   screenwriter that you [TS]

00:11:27   Meyer who is known for particular genre [TS]

00:11:28   you're gonna in the back of your mind [TS]

00:11:29   have respect for where they're coming [TS]

00:11:31   from you know what i mean and you're not [TS]

00:11:33   going to rewrite it to be something [TS]

00:11:34   totally different adjusting your own [TS]

00:11:36   style right so even though if it i doubt [TS]

00:11:39   many words ideas reason phrases from [TS]

00:11:42   bracket Scripture are still in there i [TS]

00:11:44   think the spirit is still in the script [TS]

00:11:47   yeah yeah definitely anyway it it does [TS]

00:11:50   sparkle so I guess we should start now [TS]

00:11:52   that the opening remarks portion of the [TS]

00:11:54   program complete with with the the [TS]

00:11:58   planet hoth which to start out i think i [TS]

00:12:03   can take a shot here which is just that [TS]

00:12:05   you we we have reached the latest in a [TS]

00:12:08   ongoing series of single climate planets [TS]

00:12:13   alliance with all one ecosystem yeah but [TS]

00:12:15   uh but i love the contrast here where we [TS]

00:12:18   where we start so much of Star Wars [TS]

00:12:20   beginning is about Tatooine that you [TS]

00:12:24   know desert planet with two sons and the [TS]

00:12:26   waist desert waste lands and here we [TS]

00:12:29   have the the polar opposite it is [TS]

00:12:32   freezing and icy and miserable in a [TS]

00:12:36   completely different way which is uh it [TS]

00:12:39   just always struck me as being such a [TS]

00:12:40   such a strange way to start it because [TS]

00:12:43   it really does send the message like [TS]

00:12:44   this is not a place you saw in that [TS]

00:12:46   movie right because so many people going [TS]

00:12:48   into this move the expectations of [TS]

00:12:50   having seen that first movie a million [TS]

00:12:53   times like going back to the theater and [TS]

00:12:55   seeing it again and again and again and [TS]

00:12:57   the first thing you see in this movie [TS]

00:13:00   you know when you get to Hoth is it menu [TS]

00:13:04   you see the probe come down all that but [TS]

00:13:05   it's just it's like nothing that was in [TS]

00:13:07   the previous movie and it really does a [TS]

00:13:08   great job I think of setting your [TS]

00:13:11   resetting your expectations saying that [TS]

00:13:13   you think you know this story but you [TS]

00:13:15   don't but one of the things that's [TS]

00:13:16   fascinating is that the the opening shot [TS]

00:13:18   is in some ways very much animals to the [TS]

00:13:20   first movie which is it also opens with [TS]

00:13:22   a Star Destroyer is right we get that [TS]

00:13:24   same sort of you know pan and then we're [TS]

00:13:26   very quickly taken away to Hoth which I [TS]

00:13:28   agree you know there is a stark contrast [TS]

00:13:30   and I think there's something about this [TS]

00:13:32   when I was a kid I think maybe it was [TS]

00:13:34   just that that you know I think I said [TS]

00:13:35   the service podcast again that you know [TS]

00:13:37   when I was a kid like my cousin's we [TS]

00:13:38   come visit and we we rent a Star Wars [TS]

00:13:40   movie [TS]

00:13:40   and I feel for whatever reason that's [TS]

00:13:42   that Empire was the one that we saw the [TS]

00:13:44   least and in some ways that made it the [TS]

00:13:46   most special and there was something [TS]

00:13:49   about that like that unusualness to it [TS]

00:13:51   that that is always made it one of my [TS]

00:13:53   favorites even though I've seen it you [TS]

00:13:55   know I'm teen million times now [TS]

00:13:57   something about that holds with me i [TS]

00:13:59   think it is that idea of like you know [TS]

00:14:01   it's so different you know the both the [TS]

00:14:03   in Return of the Jedi in Star Wars we [TS]

00:14:05   will spend a lot of time on Tatooine [TS]

00:14:07   right miss desert in hot climates and [TS]

00:14:08   then we've got you know and/or and what [TS]

00:14:10   have you invented but this is cold it's [TS]

00:14:13   very different everybody's wearing [TS]

00:14:14   different clothes right because they're [TS]

00:14:15   all bundled up there is a whole [TS]

00:14:17   different environment they're really [TS]

00:14:18   being put upon by this by this world [TS]

00:14:20   it's a very hostile world really write [TS]

00:14:23   in a different way from Tatooine a lot [TS]

00:14:26   of this star wars movies for these [TS]

00:14:28   people closer to Jason and my age and I [TS]

00:14:31   can't stand to like we saw these movies [TS]

00:14:34   where a particular age and if we could [TS]

00:14:35   see them when we were a bit older and [TS]

00:14:37   more jaded and cynical having the sequel [TS]

00:14:39   open ice planet after movie where you [TS]

00:14:41   opened on a desert planet would be like [TS]

00:14:43   this that mean the same way Jason [TS]

00:14:45   introduced it all you know well single [TS]

00:14:46   climate plants are in videogame parlance [TS]

00:14:48   like this the ice world that the lava [TS]

00:14:50   world you know the forest world or the [TS]

00:14:52   forest level it's it's a cliche and it's [TS]

00:14:54   not that interesting but if you see this [TS]

00:14:56   movie when you're you know 10 years old [TS]

00:15:00   there are or 11 years old after coming [TS]

00:15:02   off of star wars that that move that [TS]

00:15:05   pretty mundane and now extremely you [TS]

00:15:09   know play it out move like what we do [TS]

00:15:11   the desert planet let's do the ice [TS]

00:15:12   planet comes out of nowhere to hit you [TS]

00:15:15   and like you you're not expecting up so [TS]

00:15:17   you're not educated enough to not jaded [TS]

00:15:19   enough to see it as a cliché you don't [TS]

00:15:21   you and the fact that they opened on the [TS]

00:15:22   starter story like alright Star Wars if [TS]

00:15:24   you would ask the kid in a year old [TS]

00:15:26   version of me like how do you think the [TS]

00:15:27   next door is going to open well I better [TS]

00:15:29   be in space and the x-wing looks gonna [TS]

00:15:31   be flying around so they open space like [TS]

00:15:32   he was going to get moving like ice [TS]

00:15:34   planet and just from that point on you [TS]

00:15:36   you are knocked off balance has a small [TS]

00:15:39   kid now maybe as an adult you get it [TS]

00:15:41   doesn't work but like all I can't see [TS]

00:15:43   this movie not as seeing it as a kid and [TS]

00:15:44   to me it's one of the more brilliant [TS]

00:15:47   sequel openings it's not it's not [TS]

00:15:49   hammering over the head because I can [TS]

00:15:51   imagine like iron man 3 opens and you [TS]

00:15:52   think our man it's cool [TS]

00:15:53   and everything but he's really imagine i [TS]

00:15:55   came out of nowhere you know with is not [TS]

00:15:58   that it would be loosely but like yeah [TS]

00:16:00   so it just works and I i have a very [TS]

00:16:04   difficult time being objective about [TS]

00:16:05   this movie because I know how well it [TS]

00:16:07   worked on me as a kid and to this day [TS]

00:16:08   like I tried to look critically and I [TS]

00:16:10   said they just did that they went out [TS]

00:16:11   and doing the ice planet or whatever and [TS]

00:16:13   I shot the grass and no they it works [TS]

00:16:16   it's not too heavy handed [TS]

00:16:17   it's a cliché a bit now but in in [TS]

00:16:20   context it worked and it still does it [TS]

00:16:22   puts the rebellion [TS]

00:16:23   I think we in our star wars podcast we [TS]

00:16:25   talked about in fact this title of the [TS]

00:16:27   second episode is Death Star university [TS]

00:16:29   about how they they get the you know [TS]

00:16:31   that they they they take the plans back [TS]

00:16:33   and suddenly they're on this forest moon [TS]

00:16:35   and they're all these buildings with [TS]

00:16:37   pillars and it's like there's a college [TS]

00:16:39   campus and they're learning about the [TS]

00:16:41   death star and it's it always struck me [TS]

00:16:44   as being weird [TS]

00:16:45   ed Empire I think resets the the rebel [TS]

00:16:49   alliance in a much better way which is [TS]

00:16:51   to say they're on the run [TS]

00:16:53   I mean the opening the opening crawl [TS]

00:16:55   does this to their on the run they've [TS]

00:16:57   split up into different groups this [TS]

00:16:59   group including our friends from the [TS]

00:17:00   last movie is on this miserable ice ball [TS]

00:17:04   in these kind of dugout you know this [TS]

00:17:07   dugout structure that that is [TS]

00:17:10   claustrophobic and they're under assault [TS]

00:17:13   and the rip the Empire's really mad now [TS]

00:17:16   because they blew up the Death Star and [TS]

00:17:17   is looking for them and I think I think [TS]

00:17:20   there's that too that it's really [TS]

00:17:21   effective in saying you know these are [TS]

00:17:23   rebels they are up against a huge flow [TS]

00:17:26   they are not like laying back at Death [TS]

00:17:29   Star university having a good time [TS]

00:17:31   they're on the run and in fact as the [TS]

00:17:33   movie progresses this base that we see [TS]

00:17:35   they're basically like what we gotta go [TS]

00:17:37   because they don't write and and they've [TS]

00:17:39   just finished setting out unless they [TS]

00:17:41   gotta go so I like that what it says [TS]

00:17:44   about the rebellion just saying that the [TS]

00:17:45   it is it is not a comfortable life that [TS]

00:17:47   these guys are they are in a civil war [TS]

00:17:50   yeah they're they're on their back foot [TS]

00:17:51   and I think this is you know this whole [TS]

00:17:53   we talk about being the middle it's the [TS]

00:17:56   second act right and the job with the [TS]

00:17:57   writer in the second act is you know I [TS]

00:18:00   just heard someone say this time it [TS]

00:18:01   slipped my mind here but you put the the [TS]

00:18:03   characters in the worst position they [TS]

00:18:04   could possibly be in right now [TS]

00:18:07   we have from the get-go that's how we [TS]

00:18:08   start we start with the rebellion in [TS]

00:18:10   trouble on the run [TS]

00:18:11   you know and the thing that you know to [TS]

00:18:14   take that a step further [TS]

00:18:15   we've got our hero right Luke Skywalker [TS]

00:18:17   out yeah I blew up the Death Star he's [TS]

00:18:19   going to be a Jedi's he's probably [TS]

00:18:20   pretty badass by now what's the first [TS]

00:18:22   thing that happens to him he gets crap [TS]

00:18:24   kicked out from bio wapo right like you [TS]

00:18:27   know it's only downhill from there [TS]

00:18:29   and so I think that it definitely resets [TS]

00:18:31   all of our expectations when you have [TS]

00:18:33   these certain like well I we're gonna be [TS]

00:18:35   riding high after blowing up the Death [TS]

00:18:36   Star and everything right no turns out [TS]

00:18:38   if things got a lot worse and so I I [TS]

00:18:41   think that definitely sets the tone for [TS]

00:18:43   the entire movie and and the fact that [TS]

00:18:46   this is all just prelude to the that [TS]

00:18:48   inevitable climax and there are riding [TS]

00:18:51   on animals which is like low-tech yeah [TS]

00:18:53   he was writing a text when i was writing [TS]

00:18:54   an ugly and none of their stuff works [TS]

00:18:56   the Millennium Falcon doesn't work they [TS]

00:18:58   can't get the speeders to work like not [TS]

00:19:00   doing well so my first note here is [TS]

00:19:03   actually literally the first thing I [TS]

00:19:05   wrote down is on such a girl [TS]

00:19:07   all he wants is a hint from Leia that [TS]

00:19:09   she likes him but but it is charming it [TS]

00:19:12   is so incredibly charming when we meet [TS]

00:19:14   Han Solo he he's bantering with leia but [TS]

00:19:17   it's so clear especially as an adult [TS]

00:19:19   looking at it but it's so clear that [TS]

00:19:20   that you know he he loves her and he's [TS]

00:19:25   trying to get her to do anything to [TS]

00:19:28   crack her tough exterior to admit [TS]

00:19:31   anything it really it's like give me a [TS]

00:19:33   reason to stay in a way that I never as [TS]

00:19:36   a kid never really read it this way but [TS]

00:19:37   you give me a reason to stay your [TS]

00:19:39   worshipfulness and she won't do it [TS]

00:19:42   well your highness just this is [TS]

00:19:45   that's right [TS]

00:19:47   [Music] [TS]

00:19:49   we'll get all mushy on me so long [TS]

00:19:50   princess [TS]

00:19:57   yes your business I thought you had [TS]

00:19:59   decided to stay [TS]

00:20:01   well the body hundred we ran into a [TS]

00:20:02   Norman Delta from ipod we need you we [TS]

00:20:06   need yes what about you [TS]

00:20:09   I'm I don't know what you're talking [TS]

00:20:12   about [TS]

00:20:12   probably do precisely am I supposed to [TS]

00:20:16   come I wanted to stay because of the way [TS]

00:20:19   you feel about your right how was your [TS]

00:20:22   natural leader [TS]

00:20:23   no that's not it [TS]

00:20:25   [Music] [TS]

00:20:28   come on imagining things [TS]

00:20:31   mi then why are you following me right [TS]

00:20:33   now is gonna leave without giving you a [TS]

00:20:34   goodbye kiss kiss into some lucky i can [TS]

00:20:37   arrange that could use a good care of it [TS]

00:20:40   was also interesting and apropos what we [TS]

00:20:43   were just saying about how it's you know [TS]

00:20:45   we in the first movie in such a [TS]

00:20:47   wonderful condition and we start in such [TS]

00:20:48   a miserable one is that you know Hans [TS]

00:20:51   out the door at the beginning of this [TS]

00:20:52   movie he's he's saying goodbye he's [TS]

00:20:54   getting out the bounty hunters are after [TS]

00:20:56   him he's taken off and that's also [TS]

00:20:58   really interesting to think about that [TS]

00:21:00   where we start [TS]

00:21:02   han is back to sort of where he was [TS]

00:21:04   before he decided to go save Luke which [TS]

00:21:06   is I gotta get out of out of this place [TS]

00:21:09   you know you rebels are great and all [TS]

00:21:10   but I'm out of here and then the only [TS]

00:21:12   thing that'll make him stay is either [TS]

00:21:14   his friendship with Luke which is what [TS]

00:21:16   ends up doing it or if the princess will [TS]

00:21:18   give him any sign and she won't which i [TS]

00:21:22   think is great i have to give a minor a [TS]

00:21:25   minor nitpick and this is one of the [TS]

00:21:26   things that you know it's bugged me [TS]

00:21:29   somewhat in in the past viewings and [TS]

00:21:31   this one is just I I wish I didn't feel [TS]

00:21:33   so bad about it but that seemed that he [TS]

00:21:34   has with the with general right in when [TS]

00:21:36   he first comes back [TS]

00:21:37   there's there's something so weird about [TS]

00:21:39   the pacing of that he's like yeah please [TS]

00:21:41   tell you things but i gotta go like this [TS]

00:21:43   and we talked about you know the how [TS]

00:21:44   fascinating i like is it comes out of [TS]

00:21:46   nowhere that is a really weird [TS]

00:21:47   transition bored sometimes phones in a [TS]

00:21:49   scene yet that was a little strange in [TS]

00:21:51   all those movies and every once in [TS]

00:21:53   awhile to be fair my favorite one of my [TS]

00:21:55   favorite lines from this movie which is [TS]

00:21:57   a terrible line is death marks not an [TS]

00:21:59   easy thing to live with like all da [TS]

00:22:00   happy every time I hear that now my call [TS]

00:22:05   we could have we could have but a death [TS]

00:22:06   mark easy to live with no because it's a [TS]

00:22:08   death mark they're gonna kill you yeah i [TS]

00:22:10   don't know i didn't sound very [TS]

00:22:12   frustrating right trying to justify that [TS]

00:22:13   was like well that's ok solo you're you [TS]

00:22:16   know you're not a miserable traitor and [TS]

00:22:18   coward your you got a death mark alright [TS]

00:22:21   I I i feel ya [TS]

00:22:23   I get where you're coming from there [TS]

00:22:25   you know he's trying and failing and [TS]

00:22:27   there's this little I mean you know also [TS]

00:22:28   that that's fine sit to mind he's out [TS]

00:22:30   the door I mean what a thing no no and [TS]

00:22:32   that's great first time we see our [TS]

00:22:33   friends after three years rite aid the [TS]

00:22:35   way this movie was initially released [TS]

00:22:37   him it is i think in-store dollars a [TS]

00:22:39   year since storyline to yes which I love [TS]

00:22:42   that they hinted that too is that one [TS]

00:22:43   he's got a throwaway line you know with [TS]

00:22:45   layout that bounty hunter and Ord [TS]

00:22:47   Mantell changed my change my mind you [TS]

00:22:49   know and I and I i love that vary [TS]

00:22:50   because it hints at all these other all [TS]

00:22:52   they're all these various in between we [TS]

00:22:54   don't know about but he's out but the [TS]

00:22:55   fact that he's out the door that he's [TS]

00:22:56   like I'm taking off [TS]

00:22:57   it's so shocking it's like go but our [TS]

00:22:59   friends were we just we just started the [TS]

00:23:02   movie you go that's a good economy of [TS]

00:23:05   plot points to because it's so I think [TS]

00:23:08   in this one move where he says he has to [TS]

00:23:10   leave they get to start establishing the [TS]

00:23:13   the handle a relationship right they get [TS]

00:23:16   to briefly established that he was a [TS]

00:23:18   valued member of the rebellion after [TS]

00:23:20   this kind of deciding to turn back at [TS]

00:23:21   the end of a new hope and they get to [TS]

00:23:23   reestablish that he's being chased by [TS]

00:23:25   bounty hunters will become significantly [TS]

00:23:26   later in the movie and all that in I [TS]

00:23:29   mean it's like you know two seconds [TS]

00:23:31   worth of the on screen footage this is [TS]

00:23:33   necessary entire movie yes it did it [TS]

00:23:35   they don't have to have a separate point [TS]

00:23:37   they don't have a separate sheen scene [TS]

00:23:39   where he's being chased by a bounty [TS]

00:23:40   hunter they don't have a separate scene [TS]

00:23:42   where he's talking with the general [TS]

00:23:43   about why you should stay they don't [TS]

00:23:44   have to have a separate seen talking [TS]

00:23:46   with Princess layout about you know i [TS]

00:23:48   mean it's it's economical as we say but [TS]

00:23:51   again i just love I thought I think it's [TS]

00:23:52   just absolutely adorable that that mrs. [TS]

00:23:56   how r i read up on watching it now which [TS]

00:23:58   is just he he so wants to get a reason [TS]

00:24:02   to stay and and played just for whatever [TS]

00:24:06   reason she still want to give it to [TS]

00:24:08   think back to his line in the New Hope [TS]

00:24:10   with like I said this is like defining [TS]

00:24:12   characteristic like we talked about the [TS]

00:24:14   scene and help hon is like you know I [TS]

00:24:16   got your ship for you and you know man [TS]

00:24:18   and blah blah blah soon as they leave [TS]

00:24:19   the table turn students at these guys [TS]

00:24:20   must really be desperate yeah he's like [TS]

00:24:22   the sensitive is the sensitive you know [TS]

00:24:24   nice guy he showed what you're seeing [TS]

00:24:26   here is the this guys must really be [TS]

00:24:27   desperate guy going to this girl do so [TS]

00:24:30   i'm going to go and you said about that [TS]

00:24:32   hunter hot has his walls just as much as [TS]

00:24:35   Leia does they're just formed different [TS]

00:24:37   ways and I feel like we approach [TS]

00:24:38   the movie so much from Leia and Luke's [TS]

00:24:41   perspective and the third party audience [TS]

00:24:43   perspective that you don't really get to [TS]

00:24:44   see what he's thinking and you only you [TS]

00:24:46   only get it actually when you see that [TS]

00:24:48   the lot like you don't notice that the [TS]

00:24:49   walls come back down until it snaps back [TS]

00:24:51   up was like well don't get all mushy on [TS]

00:24:54   me princess you know about that was it [TS]

00:24:56   that was your opening and that's your [TS]

00:24:57   cue that's like oh wait no he was being [TS]

00:24:59   sincere their holy yeah yeah well I mean [TS]

00:25:02   I i love that again you know like like [TS]

00:25:04   just saying he sort of stocks off you [TS]

00:25:06   know kind of like hoping this will come [TS]

00:25:08   after him right you know goes up goes [TS]

00:25:10   off to find chewy I we're getting out of [TS]

00:25:12   here [TS]

00:25:12   you know i say i really love Carrie [TS]

00:25:15   Fisher when she's being shrill and [TS]

00:25:17   yelling at him for some reason I just [TS]

00:25:18   like she I don't know if she's a great [TS]

00:25:22   actress I haven't really seen her may [TS]

00:25:23   have seen when harry met seven star wars [TS]

00:25:25   probably yeah that's about but when [TS]

00:25:27   she's chasing after him down the hall [TS]

00:25:29   and said yes your great pilot what like [TS]

00:25:30   oh that's such a great shame she sells [TS]

00:25:33   these lines it it's great dialogue and [TS]

00:25:35   she sells it your view be an asset to [TS]

00:25:37   the rebellion your later on my favorite [TS]

00:25:40   my favorite line from her in this entire [TS]

00:25:42   movie is I am NOT a committee to [TS]

00:25:44   somebody that she delivers that is such [TS]

00:25:46   a it's such as it seems so plausible [TS]

00:25:49   just so well in this movie and it could [TS]

00:25:51   just be it could just be that she's just [TS]

00:25:54   carry Fisher and the fact that maybe [TS]

00:25:56   she's not a good actress all she's being [TS]

00:25:57   like a refresher but it is the only [TS]

00:25:58   thing you seem character she's just so [TS]

00:26:00   natural [TS]

00:26:01   it doesn't come off as someone acting it [TS]

00:26:02   doesn't come office as being trill or [TS]

00:26:04   annoying it comes off as annoyed flat [TS]

00:26:07   like you can read on the subject of [TS]

00:26:09   everything she's saying like the fact [TS]

00:26:10   that she really doesn't want to say but [TS]

00:26:11   she's also being loud and I'm i just [TS]

00:26:13   love it [TS]

00:26:14   he's flustered as an advantage to the [TS]

00:26:16   fact that this is the sequel to a movie [TS]

00:26:18   everybody knew and as a result it's a it [TS]

00:26:20   you know it is a movie written for them [TS]

00:26:22   i mean that that that's a huge advantage [TS]

00:26:24   that it is written for the actors these [TS]

00:26:26   characters have been thought of and kind [TS]

00:26:28   of turned over and everybody's head for [TS]

00:26:30   years and the wedding [TS]

00:26:32   what a great advantage that it that is [TS]

00:26:34   to say I see what she did in Star Wars [TS]

00:26:36   and that we can play to her strength [TS]

00:26:38   although it's not where she was so all [TS]

00:26:39   over the map where she had the face and [TS]

00:26:41   you have the system slipping through [TS]

00:26:42   your fingers and then like they decided [TS]

00:26:44   to lay there like from New Hope is the [TS]

00:26:46   walking in the hallway will someone get [TS]

00:26:47   this walking carpet out right before [TS]

00:26:49   they dive into the trash compactor that [TS]

00:26:51   that's the way that's going to come in [TS]

00:26:52   the Empire is to get this one that was [TS]

00:26:53   the right decision [TS]

00:26:55   ask the other ones were boring [TS]

00:26:57   incredible in distress this stupid [TS]

00:26:59   diplomat lady they want to Senator yeah [TS]

00:27:02   right exactly she's much better as as [TS]

00:27:04   this rebel leader you know whatever it [TS]

00:27:05   is weird right because she doesn't [TS]

00:27:07   exactly have this is this you can never [TS]

00:27:09   quite sure the hierarchy of of half base [TS]

00:27:12   right like you got this general who's in [TS]

00:27:13   charge but she's kind of like revving up [TS]

00:27:15   the troops or she's sitting in like one [TS]

00:27:16   of those like communications chairs or [TS]

00:27:19   she's running it like its into it's [TS]

00:27:20   unclear in some ways but it's something [TS]

00:27:22   that same time you don't really care [TS]

00:27:24   yeah I like it that was one of the [TS]

00:27:26   things that occurred to me as I was [TS]

00:27:27   thinking about this time like what is [TS]

00:27:28   your job was figured that she was gonna [TS]

00:27:30   lay was like the she's she's kind of [TS]

00:27:33   rebel royalty I always figured it's like [TS]

00:27:35   she's really important in the overall [TS]

00:27:37   rebellion but they're militarily there's [TS]

00:27:41   a you know military leader of the [TS]

00:27:43   installation so she's you know she's not [TS]

00:27:45   the military leader but she's part of [TS]

00:27:48   the leadership group but she's sort of [TS]

00:27:50   like not quite the figure out either but [TS]

00:27:51   she's like the head the community here [TS]

00:27:53   so she's not exactly what we're gonna do [TS]

00:27:55   is not ready but you see later that she [TS]

00:27:58   feels a responsibility for these people [TS]

00:27:59   despite her spin your head status and [TS]

00:28:01   not really a military person she's the [TS]

00:28:03   one staying there at the end to make [TS]

00:28:04   sure everybody gets out she's the last [TS]

00:28:05   one to leave and you don't you a [TS]

00:28:07   figurehead wouldn't do that let's do [TS]

00:28:08   that you know she's not being protected [TS]

00:28:10   like the president will be whisked out [TS]

00:28:11   of that we have to get you on the first [TS]

00:28:12   shuttle know she's on the Left didn't [TS]

00:28:14   get the last shot you because she [TS]

00:28:15   personally feels responsibility for [TS]

00:28:17   these people she's gonna go down with [TS]

00:28:18   the ship essentially she's she's [TS]

00:28:20   sticking around till the end you have to [TS]

00:28:22   remember what happened to her in the [TS]

00:28:24   first movie though too i mean she [TS]

00:28:25   witnessed her entire planet get blown up [TS]

00:28:27   and it was basically her fault so I feel [TS]

00:28:29   like even though you may not have a [TS]

00:28:31   military prowess and you may be you know [TS]

00:28:33   19 and still little a little you know a [TS]

00:28:36   little flippant and and things like that [TS]

00:28:38   but that takes a certain weight onto [TS]

00:28:39   your shoulders and you do whatever you [TS]

00:28:42   can and of course you're going to fight [TS]

00:28:43   for the people that are still here [TS]

00:28:44   because you've lost so many people and [TS]

00:28:46   at that point you know it's grab grab [TS]

00:28:49   what you can and move forward so Luke's [TS]

00:28:52   out there riding around and one of the [TS]

00:28:53   things we see with Lucas that he he [TS]

00:28:55   spots the the probe droid crashing and [TS]

00:28:59   decides to go check it out and he's he's [TS]

00:29:02   whacked by a wampa and and dragged back [TS]

00:29:05   to the [TS]

00:29:06   purpose cave when he's hanging upside [TS]

00:29:07   down and that lightsaber is a waiver and [TS]

00:29:10   that's the first point where we are [TS]

00:29:11   confronted with alright and the last [TS]

00:29:13   movie wanted to look do with the forest [TS]

00:29:15   he heard the voice you didn't use the [TS]

00:29:16   computer he made the shot but he had [TS]

00:29:18   said he'd made that shot without the [TS]

00:29:19   forest before so what's the whole deal [TS]

00:29:21   with this for us we had talked about [TS]

00:29:23   maybe you can you can fight stuff with [TS]

00:29:24   your eyes closed and fight the little [TS]

00:29:26   probe droid and makes you disappear when [TS]

00:29:28   you get sliced but what the hell is this [TS]

00:29:29   whole forest thing about so he's hanging [TS]

00:29:31   upside down he's in peril the monsters [TS]

00:29:32   coming his lightsaber is sitting 20 feet [TS]

00:29:34   away from sitting in baking soda [TS]

00:29:35   impossible situation right there's no [TS]

00:29:38   way out how to see how does he get the [TS]

00:29:39   lightsabre and what each one is are here [TS]

00:29:41   too he closed his eyes you're like he's [TS]

00:29:43   getting the music plays like he's gonna [TS]

00:29:45   use that force thing and uh and the [TS]

00:29:47   thing starts to move out and you're like [TS]

00:29:49   moving things with your mind now [TS]

00:29:51   depending how old you are if you've [TS]

00:29:52   never read anything about telekinesis or [TS]

00:29:54   any other type of thing like that or [TS]

00:29:55   whatever like let you know we had a [TS]

00:29:57   lightsaber like he got that in the first [TS]

00:29:58   we should use that lightsabers are [TS]

00:30:00   awesome but it's on the ground how is he [TS]

00:30:01   gonna get it and it goes into his hand [TS]

00:30:03   and that's another little window opening [TS]

00:30:04   your little ten-year-old mine going [TS]

00:30:06   he made the lightsaber go into his hand [TS]

00:30:09   by thinking about it and then cut the [TS]

00:30:11   guy in like you just like albicans your [TS]

00:30:12   guys are also from a technical [TS]

00:30:14   perspective i love that shot that is one [TS]

00:30:17   of my favorite shots in this movie I was [TS]

00:30:18   thinking about as i was watching again [TS]

00:30:19   where the lightsaber starts to like [TS]

00:30:21   jiggle slightly right and then we do [TS]

00:30:24   this sort of like sort of up to zoom [TS]

00:30:26   into the lightsaber it's subtle but it [TS]

00:30:29   looks it just looks so good to give me [TS]

00:30:30   chills every time I see that and then [TS]

00:30:32   you see a rat a little more and a little [TS]

00:30:33   more well that's that that's the moment [TS]

00:30:35   where the filmmakers anticipate that [TS]

00:30:36   you're going 200 before it works great [TS]

00:30:40   to it it nails it nails it [TS]

00:30:42   well it captures the right you know they [TS]

00:30:44   could have they could have replaced that [TS]

00:30:46   moment with CGI if they wanted to but [TS]

00:30:48   that is something that works so well as [TS]

00:30:50   a practical shot where it's that the [TS]

00:30:53   uncertain jiggle where you know the [TS]

00:30:55   puppeteers that are moving everything in [TS]

00:30:56   the background it's just it captures it [TS]

00:30:59   captures the moment that yeah them and [TS]

00:31:01   the camera movement to is what really [TS]

00:31:02   what gets me is there's a there's a [TS]

00:31:03   great little like zoom dolly and so what [TS]

00:31:05   and what happens after that to establish [TS]

00:31:07   where Luke is sort of a hierarchy of [TS]

00:31:09   figuring stuff out what is he doing he [TS]

00:31:11   chops the arm off the thing as echo the [TS]

00:31:13   first movie and then scrambles the heck [TS]

00:31:15   out of there into the snow because he [TS]

00:31:17   doesn't know what the heck [TS]

00:31:18   doing like why wouldn't have just stayed [TS]

00:31:19   in the cave he's panicking he's not he's [TS]

00:31:21   not a great one he doesn't he hasn't [TS]

00:31:23   killed it either right you know right [TS]

00:31:25   just like online is what what he's [TS]

00:31:28   pulled off here is is a narrow escape [TS]

00:31:31   that he happened to you some things or [TS]

00:31:33   he's not something I can kill everybody [TS]

00:31:34   was on enjoyed know he's terrified is [TS]

00:31:36   hanging upside down he's injured he [TS]

00:31:37   wants to get out of there he does grabs [TS]

00:31:39   the thing and you know it just gets out [TS]

00:31:41   so you're establishing the Luke is not [TS]

00:31:43   the all conquering hero but there's [TS]

00:31:45   something they're going on with this is [TS]

00:31:47   anybody else amazed as I constantly am [TS]

00:31:49   in this movie that he doesn't get [TS]

00:31:51   himself down by cutting his legs off [TS]

00:31:52   because every time i would really well I [TS]

00:31:56   try to figure out what happens is a [TS]

00:31:57   melting the ice with the lightsaber is [TS]

00:31:59   easy in a circle [TS]

00:32:00   I believe we're just kind of like a is [TS]

00:32:02   making a big blue flash of light and [TS]

00:32:04   then ok yeah it looks like he just [TS]

00:32:06   swiped it I'm like oh my god you're [TS]

00:32:07   gonna cut your legs off with some [TS]

00:32:09   terrorist very Christmas Story [TS]

00:32:10   merry christmas story and then so now [TS]

00:32:12   he's out in the snow and i have a quick [TS]

00:32:14   point of monies out and this is when he [TS]

00:32:16   has his vision of of of bed right so we [TS]

00:32:19   talked about this before and this is my [TS]

00:32:20   first note on this I the purpose of the [TS]

00:32:23   scenes to re-establish that that uh Ben [TS]

00:32:26   Kenobi we knew from the first movie [TS]

00:32:27   still around and they can still [TS]

00:32:29   communicate with Luke and now you have [TS]

00:32:30   to do with little shaky dream visions [TS]

00:32:32   over everything else [TS]

00:32:33   the fact that happens when he's [TS]

00:32:34   delirious in the snow and like out of [TS]

00:32:36   his mind about the freeze to death you [TS]

00:32:37   could think that like it's a loosening [TS]

00:32:39   or whatever actresses banking me that [TS]

00:32:41   this is to establish that is going to go [TS]

00:32:43   see Yoda was going to Train blah blah [TS]

00:32:45   this scene [TS]

00:32:46   obi-wan kenobi speaks 19 words [TS]

00:32:59   then [TS]

00:33:00   you will go to the Dagobah system system [TS]

00:33:05   there you will learn from Yoda the Jedi [TS]

00:33:09   Master who instructed me [TS]

00:33:11   [Music] [TS]

00:33:13   and 19 work if this scene was in a [TS]

00:33:19   modern movie they would be this big [TS]

00:33:21   rambling scene with the ghost of Ben and [TS]

00:33:24   dream sequence and talking to Luke and [TS]

00:33:26   having conversation 19 word I was [TS]

00:33:28   thinking it would be like it would be [TS]

00:33:30   like when mr. Spock meets Captain Kirk [TS]

00:33:32   movie where there'd be a flashback into [TS]

00:33:34   well there's a black hole and then they [TS]

00:33:36   chased me through and I wouldn't figure [TS]

00:33:37   it was the southern air and now you [TS]

00:33:39   gotta go to digg about ok 19 words he [TS]

00:33:42   says he introduces your assistant you [TS]

00:33:43   gotta go to this place you're gonna [TS]

00:33:45   learn from Yoda instructed me I'm out [TS]

00:33:46   and then hon and that hon comes riding [TS]

00:33:49   through his hit the image of are used to [TS]

00:33:50   be with me out dude does anyone ever [TS]

00:33:51   wonder why he picked that moment he [TS]

00:33:53   could he could told them at any time [TS]

00:33:55   right [TS]

00:33:55   it's just like I now is a good time well [TS]

00:33:57   that's what makes you think it's like a [TS]

00:33:58   hallucination because he's delirious and [TS]

00:34:00   you see hon come riding through the [TS]

00:34:01   thing you like did he imagine that is [TS]

00:34:03   he's like imagining and that will become [TS]

00:34:04   important later when he lands on Dagobah [TS]

00:34:06   was like what the hell am I doing here [TS]

00:34:07   is just yeah was that a dream here [TS]

00:34:09   because i was half have dead yeah the [TS]

00:34:12   thing that I find about it is I just [TS]

00:34:14   assumed that you know we know that [TS]

00:34:15   stuffs been going on from the end of New [TS]

00:34:17   Hope onward is that you just assume that [TS]

00:34:19   Luke just hasn't had all that much time [TS]

00:34:21   to really think about using the force or [TS]

00:34:23   using training or doing anything like [TS]

00:34:24   that we don't really get the impression [TS]

00:34:26   that he's become all this more powerful [TS]

00:34:28   except for the fact that he's able to [TS]

00:34:30   pull the lightsaber out with his mind [TS]

00:34:31   and the way I sort of look at it is he's [TS]

00:34:34   partially delirious but I think he's [TS]

00:34:36   partially opened up his mind to a [TS]

00:34:38   certain and where where it's formerly [TS]

00:34:40   been closed because I've been worried [TS]

00:34:41   about you know getting the rebellion [TS]

00:34:42   place and stuff like that but finally I [TS]

00:34:44   don't know [TS]

00:34:45   so the panic of the wampa seen about to [TS]

00:34:48   be eaten by a wampa that's when you're [TS]

00:34:49   going to learn how to figure out how to [TS]

00:34:50   get out of the snow you know you're [TS]

00:34:52   always really close to death and nobody [TS]

00:34:54   was already dead so he's easy seeing the [TS]

00:34:56   other side either way his mind is [TS]

00:34:59   opening up to a point where Ben can [TS]

00:35:01   reach him were formerly you know that [TS]

00:35:02   made not possible i mean really if [TS]

00:35:04   you're is ben just gonna magically [TS]

00:35:06   appear inside the hoff base and be like [TS]

00:35:08   hey Luke long time no see by the way how [TS]

00:35:10   about that Digable system leave him a [TS]

00:35:13   message he said nothing and you could [TS]

00:35:15   have done that if you want if you are [TS]

00:35:17   worse scriptwriter and have like that [TS]

00:35:19   thinks you're up and have them walk down [TS]

00:35:20   a hallway saying the Senate building and [TS]

00:35:22   say you know you should go to Vegas is [TS]

00:35:23   no speaking by the way small green as [TS]

00:35:25   pointy ears so if you see some dude that [TS]

00:35:27   it's actually him out so so i think you [TS]

00:35:29   should go there [TS]

00:35:30   yeah you want a sandwich i'm having a [TS]

00:35:31   sandwich that would be bad writing I I [TS]

00:35:34   do appreciate the economy of it and it's [TS]

00:35:36   good to re-establish that he's giving [TS]

00:35:37   giving messages from ben i am not a big [TS]

00:35:40   fan of the I've had a vision who tells [TS]

00:35:43   me where to go next in the plot kind of [TS]

00:35:45   thing but it's also a question of like [TS]

00:35:47   how do you move that forward [TS]

00:35:49   you've got to have some sort of element [TS]

00:35:51   that says you know I'm gonna throw this [TS]

00:35:53   into gear so he meets Yoda so having it [TS]

00:35:56   is the most economical way to do it even [TS]

00:35:58   though part of me looks at that was like [TS]

00:36:00   oh sure we'll just have a guy appear and [TS]

00:36:03   say go over there but they do it in a [TS]

00:36:05   way that you could doubt him know you [TS]

00:36:07   don't like did he see that are just [TS]

00:36:08   imagining his old friends and disease [TS]

00:36:10   bacteria especially since the especially [TS]

00:36:12   since hon comes riding in through with [TS]

00:36:13   the hole where the hallucination used to [TS]

00:36:15   be and i like that shot too [TS]

00:36:17   that's great so so let's talk about on a [TS]

00:36:20   little bit here because I'm and this [TS]

00:36:21   will involve a little bit of [TS]

00:36:23   backtracking you know that the the [TS]

00:36:25   bureaucrats in the rebellion the guys at [TS]

00:36:27   the at the gate and all that are sort of [TS]

00:36:29   like well first off there's the guy was [TS]

00:36:31   like well I don't think he can be other [TS]

00:36:33   games like why don't you check on that [TS]

00:36:35   which I which I really like where Han is [TS]

00:36:37   really taking control of the situation [TS]

00:36:38   but but they're like you know well he's [TS]

00:36:40   out there and he's gonna die and we get [TS]

00:36:43   the droids we got the first odd [TS]

00:36:44   quotation of the of the movie where they [TS]

00:36:46   quote the odds of him surviving and all [TS]

00:36:48   of that and it is haunts loyalty that [TS]

00:36:50   saves Luke here hon goes out and says [TS]

00:36:53   I'll see you in hell and goes out on [TS]

00:36:55   Tonto phrase for you hit the first [TS]

00:36:56   marker I i love that little guy i love [TS]

00:36:59   that little interchange he has with the [TS]

00:37:01   droids to write because there is so much [TS]

00:37:03   in that of this character that we've [TS]

00:37:06   come to know and love where you know [TS]

00:37:08   threepio's like you know might I inquire [TS]

00:37:10   what's going on and hard like one up [TS]

00:37:13   might I have a word with you please we [TS]

00:37:15   work well it's princess Lisa she's been [TS]

00:37:17   trying to get you on the community turn [TS]

00:37:19   it off [TS]

00:37:19   I don't want to talk to her and well [TS]

00:37:21   Princess Leia is wondering about master [TS]

00:37:22   you have [TS]

00:37:23   Beckett she doesn't know where he is I [TS]

00:37:25   don't know where you nobody knows what [TS]

00:37:26   he is seeing nobody knows [TS]

00:37:28   well you said Officer deck officer [TS]

00:37:31   excuse me sometime after your community [TS]

00:37:34   Skywalker's I haven't seen him [TS]

00:37:36   it's possible he came in through the [TS]

00:37:37   south entrance it's possible why don't [TS]

00:37:39   you go find out it's getting dark down [TS]

00:37:41   there [TS]

00:37:41   yes sir excuse me something like what's [TS]

00:37:45   going on [TS]

00:37:45   no impossible man come on now to a good [TS]

00:37:48   time consisted of between ourselves I [TS]

00:37:51   think master Luke is in considerable [TS]

00:37:52   thank you know there are you know [TS]

00:37:54   there's this kind of interesting [TS]

00:37:56   interchange with the droids who you know [TS]

00:37:58   are comic relief and this is sort of [TS]

00:37:59   their first time coming in we realized [TS]

00:38:01   that they you know melted down half the [TS]

00:38:03   cave or something by accident closed and [TS]

00:38:07   meanwhile Hans trying to like you know I [TS]

00:38:09   you know I always wonder about you in [TS]

00:38:10   this case could be they make Julie and [TS]

00:38:12   museums look a little bit like inept but [TS]

00:38:14   I always kind of wondered if he wasn't [TS]

00:38:16   doing it on purpose because he knows how [TS]

00:38:18   you know how he feels about way I was [TS]

00:38:20   trying to sort of stall to keep them [TS]

00:38:21   from having to leave everyone why did [TS]

00:38:23   you take this apart now we're trying to [TS]

00:38:25   leave town because he's like taking [TS]

00:38:26   apart the yeah why you take this apart [TS]

00:38:27   now anybody can watch her yeah and that [TS]

00:38:32   may also because chewy chewy is one of [TS]

00:38:33   my favorite characters but I i really [TS]

00:38:36   enjoyed that little interchange and i [TS]

00:38:38   agree with Jason and that is actually [TS]

00:38:39   one of the places where i even i even [TS]

00:38:41   more i love the expansion of that scene [TS]

00:38:43   in the radio drama since they I think it [TS]

00:38:45   builds a little better but is it does [TS]

00:38:47   still culminate that great i'll see you [TS]

00:38:49   in Hell like one of our few swears the [TS]

00:38:52   droids do get to show concern here too [TS]

00:38:54   now that you know further establishing [TS]

00:38:55   that are not just like this no solace at [TS]

00:38:58   all right that they're worried r2 and [TS]

00:39:00   particularly worried about him and so [TS]

00:39:02   c-3po because they become friends to the [TS]

00:39:04   first movie is that they're gonna have [TS]

00:39:05   to be a unit for the rest of this movie [TS]

00:39:07   and we have to leave they care of each [TS]

00:39:08   other they don't just happen to have [TS]

00:39:09   these droids long arrived with them like [TS]

00:39:10   like appliances the personal [TS]

00:39:13   relationships too i mean you get the [TS]

00:39:14   sense with the bureaucrats at all about [TS]

00:39:16   that that the a lot of these people [TS]

00:39:18   there who are friends right there [TS]

00:39:21   therefore the rebellion and all of that [TS]

00:39:22   but they're not they're not focused on [TS]

00:39:25   any individual right even though this is [TS]

00:39:27   the kid who blew up the Death Star you [TS]

00:39:28   know they're focused on the bigger [TS]

00:39:29   picture and it takes the droids and it [TS]

00:39:32   takes hard to say no no it he this guide [TS]

00:39:36   matters and he [TS]

00:39:37   some even then he doesn't mobilize a [TS]

00:39:39   strike force to go get him something he [TS]

00:39:40   just hops on a tauntaun and goes out [TS]

00:39:43   into the dark which is you know that's [TS]

00:39:45   it is it is his loyalty that saves luke [TS]

00:39:48   and I I you know it's interesting that [TS]

00:39:49   at the end even though we've got this [TS]

00:39:50   big rebellion here it's gonna be the [TS]

00:39:53   characters who care about each other who [TS]

00:39:54   are gonna we're gonna matter right and [TS]

00:39:57   you know just begin to the economy how [TS]

00:40:00   many teams do mark hamill and Harrison [TS]

00:40:02   Ford actually get together this movie [TS]

00:40:04   like two other separated from separated [TS]

00:40:06   for most of the moving their separate [TS]

00:40:08   for the vast majority of the movie which [TS]

00:40:09   I always thought was fascinating was [TS]

00:40:10   that we have so much of this this [TS]

00:40:13   relationship is being again what sort of [TS]

00:40:15   dress into the that first movie and and [TS]

00:40:17   the rapport between these three [TS]

00:40:19   characters and yet [TS]

00:40:20   Luke and Han spend the vast majority of [TS]

00:40:23   this movie and totally separate places [TS]

00:40:24   and we only get I think you know we get [TS]

00:40:27   the scene really we got the scene where [TS]

00:40:29   you like you know hold them out in the [TS]

00:40:30   in the in the middle of nowhere right [TS]

00:40:32   you know we find him he shoves him [TS]

00:40:34   inside the tauntaun we get the scene [TS]

00:40:36   where he's like after he's healed up and [TS]

00:40:38   then we get the scene where he says [TS]

00:40:39   goodbye and that's it like they probably [TS]

00:40:41   exchange you know doesn't it doesn't [TS]

00:40:44   light up because they're at their [TS]

00:40:45   actions or they're showing through their [TS]

00:40:47   actions what their relationship is like [TS]

00:40:49   they don't have to have a scene where [TS]

00:40:50   they say your real body to me I really [TS]

00:40:52   care about you wouldn't like you to [TS]

00:40:54   freeze the down [TS]

00:40:55   speaking of that the tomtom being sliced [TS]

00:40:56   open and that's probably the most [TS]

00:40:58   graphic thing I ever saw in a movie up [TS]

00:41:00   to the point when I saw that in a movie [TS]

00:41:02   and I think it it work it's a great [TS]

00:41:04   scene it works so well to establish this [TS]

00:41:07   movie will be gritty and grim even more [TS]

00:41:10   so than burned up phone number or you [TS]

00:41:11   know like there's like this is what [TS]

00:41:13   you're in for get ready it's not this is [TS]

00:41:15   not let's go fly through a sterile space [TS]

00:41:18   in an x-wing since you down the [TS]

00:41:19   excellent this is this has got the [TS]

00:41:20   tauntaun and shove the body and so it's [TS]

00:41:22   appear pragmatism up at it it's not even [TS]

00:41:24   what would what I didn't notice when I [TS]

00:41:27   was a kid watching but of instruct me [TS]

00:41:29   senses all haunts doing is buying time [TS]

00:41:32   because he says this will keep you warm [TS]

00:41:33   until i get the shelter up so he sliced [TS]

00:41:35   open the toddler on basically for you [TS]

00:41:37   know 15 minutes of warmth because there [TS]

00:41:39   are in such dire circumstances and it's [TS]

00:41:41   just he doesn't even think about it [TS]

00:41:43   other than that it smells you know you [TS]

00:41:46   thought smell down the outside you know [TS]

00:41:48   but it's it's worth it doing a dented [TS]

00:41:50   that kind of just gritty kind of brutal [TS]

00:41:53   hey we gotta do it to stay alive that [TS]

00:41:54   when he doesn't even think twice about [TS]

00:41:56   that or about you know I always loved [TS]

00:41:58   that insight on why but like something [TS]

00:41:59   about him using the lights ya gonna do [TS]

00:42:01   with the same point of like it when I [TS]

00:42:03   don't know what else do you see nann [TS]

00:42:05   Jedi's pick up and use the lights every [TS]

00:42:06   like it that point as a kid you like is [TS]

00:42:08   it even possible to have to be a Jedi to [TS]

00:42:09   use thing if you're han Solo you can you [TS]

00:42:11   pick it up [TS]

00:42:12   well he's very like a my holding it the [TS]

00:42:16   right way I hope I don't cut off my leg [TS]

00:42:18   yeah exactly and you know get the job [TS]

00:42:21   done but again I mean in these actions [TS]

00:42:23   you see how much he cares about Luke [TS]

00:42:24   because it's very much like okay I'm [TS]

00:42:26   gonna pick up a foreign weapon that I've [TS]

00:42:27   made fun of non-stop in the previous [TS]

00:42:30   movie and I'm going to slice open a [TS]

00:42:32   beast that's just died and indoor you [TS]

00:42:35   know freezing cold while I put up the [TS]

00:42:36   shelter because I care about you and I [TS]

00:42:38   don't want you to die but i don't have [TS]

00:42:40   to say that and to tend to you know [TS]

00:42:42   speak again to sort of contrast to what [TS]

00:42:44   i was saying before about Ford's [TS]

00:42:46   interchange with the general this is a [TS]

00:42:48   scene in these are to let you know a [TS]

00:42:50   couple lines the then I'll see you in [TS]

00:42:52   Hell which I always of course enjoyed as [TS]

00:42:54   as does everybody who's right thinking [TS]

00:42:56   but also the the and I thought they [TS]

00:42:58   smelled bad on the outside I mean that [TS]

00:43:00   the delivery in that line i I've always [TS]

00:43:03   enjoyed because it's not just like you [TS]

00:43:05   know him like looking at the camera [TS]

00:43:06   winking at the camera right like there's [TS]

00:43:08   that sort of pause aspiration and he's [TS]

00:43:11   tired he's tired from all this rescuing [TS]

00:43:13   tired yeah thanks I'd like I i really i [TS]

00:43:16   don't know what that kind of makes him [TS]

00:43:18   as a character because he still is kinda [TS]

00:43:19   cocky and snarky even though there's no [TS]

00:43:21   one around to hear him being funny right [TS]

00:43:23   like you know this is literally him just [TS]

00:43:25   going oh man what the hell if I got [TS]

00:43:28   myself into but that's the same as a [TS]

00:43:30   boring conversation anyway right he's [TS]

00:43:32   just making jokes to yourself it's just [TS]

00:43:34   what he does [TS]

00:43:35   so that's nice graceful so that morning [TS]

00:43:40   comes and I always like to think that [TS]

00:43:41   the guys who are out on their little [TS]

00:43:42   reconnaissance looking for the makeup [TS]

00:43:44   and you had some tea had some breakfast [TS]

00:43:47   the sunny day in sunny say that [TS]

00:43:49   stretched out a little bit then got in [TS]

00:43:51   there got in there little while ship but [TS]

00:43:53   may and they flew out to see if hunts if [TS]

00:43:55   they could find the frozen body of Han [TS]

00:43:57   Solo oh and Captain solo tu KSA hey this [TS]

00:44:01   is road to and it's [TS]

00:44:03   you know the background noises that I [TS]

00:44:05   talked about in new hope thing the sound [TS]

00:44:07   of the x-wing what are they have this [TS]

00:44:08   one you're going over the land you have [TS]

00:44:09   the scanning that here you know that [TS]

00:44:13   sounds definite that's that's the sound [TS]

00:44:14   of speeders scanning for life-forms [TS]

00:44:16   while they look at the sound of the [TS]

00:44:18   speeders is very different sound the [TS]

00:44:19   x-wings para bajar like they're [TS]

00:44:21   low-flying stuff those those set that [TS]

00:44:24   soundtrack is such a character and all [TS]

00:44:25   the Star Wars movies in the character of [TS]

00:44:27   hot and the speeders is very different [TS]

00:44:29   than the character of the x-wing and an [TS]

00:44:30   interesting and different and fun like [TS]

00:44:32   there's so many great sounds that moment [TS]

00:44:34   I think of the there's a very iconic at [TS]

00:44:36   the very beginning [TS]

00:44:37   uh where where Luke rings up hon on his [TS]

00:44:40   old comlink thing and you've got that [TS]

00:44:42   bling bling glue-like little Chinese [TS]

00:44:44   sound which is occurs to me thinking [TS]

00:44:47   about it now I think it that's the only [TS]

00:44:48   time to use this entire movie and yet [TS]

00:44:50   that that is a that sound is crystal [TS]

00:44:51   clear in my head because it it has a [TS]

00:44:54   meaning right associated with it [TS]

00:44:56   well it's stuck in your you know Ben [TS]

00:44:58   Bert's created this very definitive [TS]

00:45:00   soundscape and I that ties over for me [TS]

00:45:02   to into the droids as well as like going [TS]

00:45:04   back just a moment the moment at the end [TS]

00:45:07   of the evening when they close the blast [TS]

00:45:08   doors with artoo and c3po that scene [TS]

00:45:12   breaks my heart every time because you [TS]

00:45:14   have to c-3po you are too has been known [TS]

00:45:16   to make mistakes from time to time and [TS]

00:45:19   then he walks away and art was just [TS]

00:45:21   standing there and then you just goes [TS]

00:45:22   yeah I mean I end for me in that scene [TS]

00:45:26   its chewy at times like time is yellow [TS]

00:45:29   with the dark closing oh yeah that is [TS]

00:45:31   that Harper and there's a great shot [TS]

00:45:32   there too right word there's a bit of a [TS]

00:45:34   pant like a zoom in on on our dolly in [TS]

00:45:37   on layout right as the doors closing and [TS]

00:45:39   the enemy throws head back that's a [TS]

00:45:41   great little moment expression on layers [TS]

00:45:43   face again underrated acting we're like [TS]

00:45:45   yeah if they said okay now this seen [TS]

00:45:47   Carrie you're gonna be late and the [TS]

00:45:49   doors are closing you said because hands [TS]

00:45:51   out there we'll put the camera on you [TS]

00:45:52   for a few seconds she could just stand [TS]

00:45:53   there and put on a sad face but she does [TS]

00:45:55   so much more than that she acts with no [TS]

00:45:56   dialogue for on suffering for 34 seconds [TS]

00:45:59   she acts and provides a performance of [TS]

00:46:01   believable performance of the mixed [TS]

00:46:03   emotions going on with like you know is [TS]

00:46:06   it going to be dead or they gonna be [TS]

00:46:07   okay am I worried but I have to be [TS]

00:46:08   strong look at her face in that scene [TS]

00:46:10   and it's of this a lot packed it's [TS]

00:46:12   enough to make you concerned even though [TS]

00:46:14   you know like babies guys are heroes of [TS]

00:46:15   the story [TS]

00:46:16   I plate and a thing about performances [TS]

00:46:19   like that is again another filmmaker so [TS]

00:46:20   I don't know how this this actually goes [TS]

00:46:22   my impression is that it's not so much [TS]

00:46:24   that like oh she's a better actor than [TS]

00:46:26   she was another movies the director [TS]

00:46:28   makes that because the director decides [TS]

00:46:30   I'm going to do seven takes of your face [TS]

00:46:31   for three seconds whereas Lucas as a [TS]

00:46:34   director goes ok and get latest face [TS]

00:46:35   shot okay and move on to the next one he [TS]

00:46:37   wouldn't take more than one taking that [TS]

00:46:38   you just one take on everything as long [TS]

00:46:39   as the Lighting's good the blue screens [TS]

00:46:41   are keyed up right and everything was [TS]

00:46:44   fine sounds but don't worry we'll look [TS]

00:46:45   the sound and go on to the next one as a [TS]

00:46:47   director will coax a performance that [TS]

00:46:50   even co-signing performance is just like [TS]

00:46:51   will take 20 20 takes on the sly cooper [TS]

00:46:53   is famous for not taking a bazillion [TS]

00:46:55   takes I think that's important you know [TS]

00:46:59   what I think actually that cursor to [TS]

00:47:01   fewer takes the Lucas in terms of [TS]

00:47:03   filmmaking wise but he also the the [TS]

00:47:06   magic about cursor behind the camera [TS]

00:47:09   here and you can really see it in the [TS]

00:47:10   timing with the facial expressions and [TS]

00:47:13   with the timing between characters [TS]

00:47:14   everything is that these this script was [TS]

00:47:17   rehearsed not to death but to the right [TS]

00:47:20   exact point between getting it rehearse [TS]

00:47:23   to the point where it's perfect [TS]

00:47:25   but not over-- rehearse to the point [TS]

00:47:27   where these people it sounds like they [TS]

00:47:29   automatically know what they're saying [TS]

00:47:30   and it's boring and we already know what [TS]

00:47:31   the conversation is going to be like [TS]

00:47:32   it's that you know you take just the [TS]

00:47:35   right amount and you managed to capture [TS]

00:47:36   it on screen and that happens pretty [TS]

00:47:38   much for every single scene in this [TS]

00:47:40   movie which is what makes it so special [TS]

00:47:41   i find and if you took fear it takes [TS]

00:47:43   then Lucas is probably because he was a [TS]

00:47:44   much more competent filmmaker at the [TS]

00:47:46   edges are they were doing this time you [TS]

00:47:48   know everything you knew when you knew [TS]

00:47:50   when the right take was and when to you [TS]

00:47:53   know when to actually have the cameras [TS]

00:47:54   rolling and went to rehearse and that's [TS]

00:47:57   the mark of a great director so that [TS]

00:47:59   Luke spends a whole Luke Spencer spent [TS]

00:48:01   the whole night you know in a whopper [TS]

00:48:03   Cavin in attendance so what do they do [TS]

00:48:05   when they get back to base they put him [TS]

00:48:06   in a tank on today / tank the fact it's [TS]

00:48:09   a back to turn come on [TS]

00:48:10   yes yes the back to tank water this with [TS]

00:48:14   my friendly at like six or 7i think [TS]

00:48:16   there's repeatedly going through Empire [TS]

00:48:18   and and watching the scene and just [TS]

00:48:20   cringing where it's just watching Bob [TS]

00:48:23   down in the giant back to tank with well [TS]

00:48:26   there's a great shot in the in the [TS]

00:48:28   making of book which shows him with the [TS]

00:48:30   phantom of the opera mask continue [TS]

00:48:31   guessing that apparently there's a hole [TS]

00:48:33   cut scene where he's got like a mask on [TS]

00:48:36   his face you know that they take off [TS]

00:48:37   right but there's a shot of a mini run [TS]

00:48:39   it really it looks like a phantom of the [TS]

00:48:40   opera mask is like covering half of his [TS]

00:48:42   face and of course you know we haven't [TS]

00:48:43   discussed the practical impact which is [TS]

00:48:44   i believe it was between a new hope and [TS]

00:48:47   empire that he was in a car accident [TS]

00:48:48   right and basically had to have [TS]

00:48:50   reconstructive surgery and so that's why [TS]

00:48:52   he doesn't quite look right with it [TS]

00:48:55   that's why the war punches him in the [TS]

00:48:56   face and he's got all of the the damage [TS]

00:48:59   and all that is its them sort of saying [TS]

00:49:01   well his face doesn't look the same [TS]

00:49:02   because I got punched by a wampa right [TS]

00:49:05   by me and you know they had to deal with [TS]

00:49:07   the practicalities that and on and on a [TS]

00:49:09   side note in a sad note I think [TS]

00:49:11   unfortunately but as a result our [TS]

00:49:13   cameras & age very well probably because [TS]

00:49:15   of the technology that was available at [TS]

00:49:17   that time but the UH this is also the [TS]

00:49:20   point movie where we get the where we [TS]

00:49:23   gotta laugh it up fuzzball [TS]

00:49:25   well scruffy-looking nerf herder I mean [TS]

00:49:27   who's scruffy-looking these are examples [TS]

00:49:30   of corny lines that that are sold by [TS]

00:49:33   these actors sometimes the dialogue [TS]

00:49:34   movie is great and sometimes they [TS]

00:49:36   require a little bit effort and these [TS]

00:49:37   lines work because of the report the [TS]

00:49:40   actress having the performances because [TS]

00:49:41   if you just give these lines to like I [TS]

00:49:43   don't know like a middle school theater [TS]

00:49:45   troupe or something and having them read [TS]

00:49:46   them they don't work but in this scene [TS]

00:49:49   that you buy them you just buy them [TS]

00:49:51   well there's this great kayden sisters [TS]

00:49:52   great laugh it up fuzzball like you know [TS]

00:49:55   there's the battery cages to that [TS]

00:49:57   doesn't work if you just laugh it up [TS]

00:49:58   fuzzball around and i think you know i [TS]

00:50:01   NN again the sound design right you know [TS]

00:50:03   i love i love to ezel from like it's [TS]

00:50:05   nothing it's the strange little girl [TS]

00:50:08   far-right like everybody knew it to find [TS]

00:50:10   him so much as a character because he is [TS]

00:50:12   a key is understanding everything that [TS]

00:50:14   is going on and amused by the situation [TS]

00:50:16   and he he's the only person who can get [TS]

00:50:20   away with that right no one else is [TS]

00:50:22   gonna sort of like everyone else might [TS]

00:50:23   look like a little bit of scans at hon [TS]

00:50:24   but he's the guy who knows hon right he [TS]

00:50:27   knows I'm cold and he's his best friend [TS]

00:50:29   and can you know and can make fun of him [TS]

00:50:31   like that because of their relationship [TS]

00:50:33   and I think that says something in and [TS]

00:50:35   of itself and the fact that they can [TS]

00:50:36   that hon can shoot back laugh it up [TS]

00:50:38   fuzzball without you know you know [TS]

00:50:41   pissing off the would be at work and [TS]

00:50:42   having his arms [TS]

00:50:43   dog and and these are these funny [TS]

00:50:45   sayings that fuzzball scruffy-looking [TS]

00:50:47   nerf herder and later brain with laser [TS]

00:50:50   brain right so these particular phrases [TS]

00:50:51   speak to kind of like older script [TS]

00:50:54   writers who don't know what is actually [TS]

00:50:56   cool in the vernacular the kids these [TS]

00:50:57   days but want to make up something that [TS]

00:50:59   sounds futuristic right but they're [TS]

00:51:01   framed by completely competent dialogue [TS]

00:51:04   so I don't know where you get your [TS]

00:51:05   delusions from laser brain laser brain [TS]

00:51:07   is the corny thing written by yoga I [TS]

00:51:09   don't know how to make something future [TS]

00:51:11   sounding but i don't know where you get [TS]

00:51:12   your delusions is a nicely turned phrase [TS]

00:51:15   where hundreds of other clumsy or [TS]

00:51:17   phrases could have been used and if you [TS]

00:51:18   put you so crazy laser brain or I don't [TS]

00:51:22   you know or something like that that's [TS]

00:51:23   just bad script down that yeah like I [TS]

00:51:25   don't know what you're thinking laser [TS]

00:51:27   brain but i don't know where you get [TS]

00:51:28   your delusions is better fitting for the [TS]

00:51:30   character plus delivery she provides and [TS]

00:51:32   then it makes you by the laser brain so [TS]

00:51:33   we still got the writing also helps here [TS]

00:51:35   by not being just like it you have to [TS]

00:51:38   excuse the laser brains the nerf herders [TS]

00:51:40   and they work because they're surrounded [TS]

00:51:41   by otherwise completely sturdy and [TS]

00:51:43   competent dialogue I you feel and get [TS]

00:51:45   look so bad to me you look strong enough [TS]

00:51:49   to pull ears off a gundark [TS]

00:51:50   oh thanks to you that's two you owe me [TS]

00:51:53   junior [TS]

00:51:54   mm well your worship looks like you [TS]

00:51:57   managed to keep me around for a little [TS]

00:51:58   while longer [TS]

00:51:59   I had nothing to do with it general [TS]

00:52:02   right can't thinks it's dangerous for [TS]

00:52:03   any ships to leave the system until [TS]

00:52:04   we've activated the energy field it's a [TS]

00:52:06   good story [TS]

00:52:07   I think you just can't bear to let [TS]

00:52:09   gorgeous guy like me out of your sight [TS]

00:52:11   I don't know where you get your [TS]

00:52:13   delusions laser brain [TS]

00:52:15   [Music] [TS]

00:52:17   fuzzball but you didn't see us alone in [TS]

00:52:22   the South passage she expressed her true [TS]

00:52:25   feelings for me but why you stuck-up [TS]

00:52:29   half-witted scruffy-looking nerf herder [TS]

00:52:33   scruffy-looking and not just dialogue [TS]

00:52:39   but you know the whole physicality the [TS]

00:52:41   scene to write like the way hon sort of [TS]

00:52:43   struts overlay you didn't see this and [TS]

00:52:45   then said together you know you start [TS]

00:52:47   sticking his chest out you put his arm [TS]

00:52:49   around her she expressed her true [TS]

00:52:51   feelings for me you know i think there's [TS]

00:52:53   a great there again you know speaking to [TS]

00:52:55   when Ford is on he is on right like he's [TS]

00:52:58   got that charm and he's got that you [TS]

00:53:01   know kind of he speaking of the [TS]

00:53:04   cockiness and everything like that [TS]

00:53:05   totally cells that character even the [TS]

00:53:07   way he exits the room after they cast [TS]

00:53:09   he's like yeah still here [TS]

00:53:11   find somebody else so that seems so [TS]

00:53:13   we've got the with we've got the in [TS]

00:53:15   hindsight really creepy kissing your [TS]

00:53:19   sister scene where are obviously layers [TS]

00:53:23   just trying to get Hans goat by kissing [TS]

00:53:26   luke and the aftermath of that kiss [TS]

00:53:29   though not only is there the weirdness [TS]

00:53:30   of the fact that the brother and sister [TS]

00:53:32   as it turns out but the aftermath of [TS]

00:53:34   that first off while they're kissing the [TS]

00:53:36   look on Harrison Ford's face is [TS]

00:53:38   priceless [TS]

00:53:39   it is it it's it's this combination of a [TS]

00:53:42   little bit of horror but also a lot of [TS]

00:53:44   all right I see what you're doing here [TS]

00:53:46   well played right and and like I can't [TS]

00:53:49   let myself get mad i'm walking i'm not [TS]

00:53:51   going to show it [TS]

00:53:52   that would give that she would win if I [TS]

00:53:54   did that i'm just going to take it all [TS]

00:53:56   in and then he just kind of nods and [TS]

00:53:58   then the best line of Chewbacca dialogue [TS]

00:54:01   ever where he basically goes room at boy [TS]

00:54:04   I want the subtitles for that right well [TS]

00:54:07   and Threepio Threepio titles over to get [TS]

00:54:11   a interview which i always fuck [TS]

00:54:13   ridiculously hilarious [TS]

00:54:14   he's fascinated by her parents she steps [TS]

00:54:18   up and walks away i just love Luke [TS]

00:54:21   looking nodding putting his hands [TS]

00:54:25   oh yeah well he wasn't cool during if [TS]

00:54:28   you look at his taste his face though [TS]

00:54:29   he's like dad [TS]

00:54:31   is going on here but then he recovers [TS]

00:54:32   and says yeah you know what yeah that's [TS]

00:54:34   right that's right yeah well DNA he [TS]

00:54:36   realizes you get one over on hon to yeah [TS]

00:54:38   i think even realizes he's being played [TS]

00:54:40   to a certain extent but i think that [TS]

00:54:42   bets in some ways more important who's [TS]

00:54:44   cool now hot solo exactly who's the kid [TS]

00:54:48   you know what I find interesting is that [TS]

00:54:50   Leia does not use pet names and jokes [TS]

00:54:54   for anybody except for hon you never [TS]

00:54:56   hear her call Luke anything but with on [TS]

00:54:59   it's always like she calls him by his [TS]

00:55:02   name maybe once or twice and every every [TS]

00:55:04   other opportunity its laser brain it's [TS]

00:55:06   not her it's enough scoundrel she I mean [TS]

00:55:10   you know and yeah and again Lucas kind [TS]

00:55:12   of in some ways Luke is the least [TS]

00:55:13   important person in that scene right [TS]

00:55:14   despite it being a scene about him you [TS]

00:55:16   know coming back from the dead basically [TS]

00:55:18   it's basically an excuse for the two of [TS]

00:55:20   them to use him to fence with each other [TS]

00:55:21   but you got the impression that they're [TS]

00:55:23   the older I don't know that the relative [TS]

00:55:25   ages are supposed to assume his supposed [TS]

00:55:26   to be older than Luke he's supposed to [TS]

00:55:28   be like 20 G's Harrison Ford like 27 and [TS]

00:55:31   they're both like closer to 20 21 but [TS]

00:55:34   like that they come up with the adults [TS]

00:55:35   hanalei come off the Dalton he's the kid [TS]

00:55:37   in the room when there-there fight is [TS]

00:55:38   going on and gets wrapped up into it you [TS]

00:55:40   know mommy and daddy too i just like the [TS]

00:55:43   eye again though the hospital leaving [TS]

00:55:44   was like take it easy yeah he's out of [TS]

00:55:46   their next thing I have my notes [TS]

00:55:48   actually is there's this great seam [TS]

00:55:51   where you see the big Imperial ships [TS]

00:55:55   that were used to see how that ended the [TS]

00:55:57   shadow comes over them and there's the [TS]

00:55:59   GIS ship the Darth Vader is on what a [TS]

00:56:03   great way to play off that scene from [TS]

00:56:06   red and you hold one upmanship because [TS]

00:56:08   it's a sequel you know you thought the [TS]

00:56:10   exactly you thought those ships were big [TS]

00:56:12   remember how big those ships were guess [TS]

00:56:14   what they get completely lips well but [TS]

00:56:16   in before you get that scene there was a [TS]

00:56:18   true the transition to that scene i love [TS]

00:56:20   because it's the it's the imperial [TS]

00:56:21   program which we can alter your [TS]

00:56:22   impressions of and i had met right and [TS]

00:56:25   we're not gonna let them run around at [TS]

00:56:27   all so they shoot it on on radios back [TS]

00:56:30   it's a good bet the Empire knows we're [TS]

00:56:32   here [TS]

00:56:32   big wipe transition q Imperial March [TS]

00:56:34   which is the first time i believe you [TS]

00:56:36   hear the Imperial marketing is in this [TS]

00:56:37   movie and what an interesting [TS]

00:56:39   however yeah whatever it does not exist [TS]

00:56:41   in a new hope [TS]

00:56:53   ok [TS]

00:57:02   that's on the company's the realization [TS]

00:57:04   we were just talking about a scale of [TS]

00:57:06   like all right we understand sequels [TS]

00:57:07   have to take it up a notch well you want [TS]

00:57:09   it up a notch here you go [TS]

00:57:10   new song I've never heard awesome song [TS]

00:57:12   great Star Wars song bad as Darth Vader [TS]

00:57:14   Imperial March song superstar you want [TS]

00:57:16   to give him right you're wondering like [TS]

00:57:17   okay he's got you know the first movie [TS]

00:57:19   kind of like the Death Star right like [TS]

00:57:20   that was a stomping grounds like what [TS]

00:57:22   are you going to give them in this movie [TS]

00:57:24   that's impressive and because what's [TS]

00:57:25   fascinating about this movie is that you [TS]

00:57:27   know so much of it takes place sort of [TS]

00:57:28   on the run that it makes sense he's got [TS]

00:57:30   a flagship right he's got something [TS]

00:57:32   that's enormous and that is like [TS]

00:57:34   representative of the might of the [TS]

00:57:35   Empire in a way that the death star you [TS]

00:57:38   know the star was menacing but that was [TS]

00:57:39   always kind of taärgons to write and so [TS]

00:57:41   I think giving him his own do with that [TS]

00:57:43   giant ship is is it's effective and he's [TS]

00:57:47   got his own little chamber within the [TS]

00:57:48   giant ship this badass black clamshell [TS]

00:57:50   chamber thing that he's inside of which [TS]

00:57:53   is just you don't even understand why [TS]

00:57:55   it's there initially in your life but [TS]

00:57:56   that's cool [TS]

00:57:57   it's important to mention from a [TS]

00:57:58   production a standpoint to I think that [TS]

00:58:01   and I again something that we talked [TS]

00:58:03   about a belief in the Stars podcast is [TS]

00:58:04   that you know the vader outfit in Star [TS]

00:58:06   Wars is not it's it's kind of odd right [TS]

00:58:09   he looks kind of wimpy a kind of times [TS]

00:58:10   and you can see through the eyes and [TS]

00:58:12   whatever like they made him over right [TS]

00:58:13   he looks he looks menacing in this in [TS]

00:58:16   empire right shiny and evil [TS]

00:58:19   it's shiny yeah exactly and it's [TS]

00:58:21   effective like you see all those shots [TS]

00:58:22   where you get there so many reaction [TS]

00:58:24   sauce in here remember this so it starts [TS]

00:58:26   out with them bickering you know that [TS]

00:58:27   the officers bickering about whether or [TS]

00:58:29   not they've actually found you know the [TS]

00:58:31   rebels could miss much as he walks over [TS]

00:58:34   right and you just see the eyes of all [TS]

00:58:37   the guy of the guys in the crew pits [TS]

00:58:38   watching him go right you know there's [TS]

00:58:42   and I think there are if you pay [TS]

00:58:44   attention to all the reaction shots to [TS]

00:58:46   Vader which I think come across very [TS]

00:58:49   subconscious you're not necessarily [TS]

00:58:50   thinking about them directly but i was [TS]

00:58:53   paying attention to them a lot this time [TS]

00:58:54   and I realize how effective those are in [TS]

00:58:56   you know making us think not only is he [TS]

00:58:59   scary right but he scared the people [TS]

00:59:01   whose side he's on [TS]

00:59:02   yeah yeah I John mentioned the we talked [TS]

00:59:05   a little bit about the Empire here i [TS]

00:59:07   think from different a few different [TS]

00:59:09   parts of this movie [TS]

00:59:10   John mentioned the chamber invaders in [TS]

00:59:13   and of course later we see the scene [TS]

00:59:15   where [TS]

00:59:15   his his head mask is coming down as its [TS]

00:59:20   opening up which is that that great [TS]

00:59:22   moment that's like just a little tiny [TS]

00:59:24   tiny taste like oh but it's Darth [TS]

00:59:27   Vader's head off and then it's gone but [TS]

00:59:29   i have to she said to have to share this [TS]

00:59:31   with you that are that I'm sitting there [TS]

00:59:33   thinking Darth Vader's chamber is is [TS]

00:59:36   sort of interesting and strange and why [TS]

00:59:38   is it there like John said and I'm [TS]

00:59:40   thinking how to phrase that in my notes [TS]

00:59:42   and my son my seven-year-old son turns [TS]

00:59:44   to me and says daddy Vader's office is [TS]

00:59:47   really weird like I can't put it any [TS]

00:59:52   better than that anybody that he took [TS]

00:59:54   his fingers of both hands and kind of [TS]

00:59:56   put them together like it goes like this [TS]

00:59:57   shit with the little thing [TS]

00:59:57   shit with the little thing [TS]

01:00:00   coming up it's true it's Darth Vader's [TS]

01:00:01   office it is kind of it would seem kind [TS]

01:00:03   of impractical and I assume it's sort of [TS]

01:00:05   like for security that he needs to like [TS]

01:00:08   that moves the atmosphere in there so we [TS]

01:00:09   can have his helmet all right you know [TS]

01:00:11   it's stuffy I'm sure it's just a strange [TS]

01:00:14   office unorthodox office have to throw [TS]

01:00:16   in my favorite running joke scene with [TS]

01:00:18   my friend my friend Evan who's a he was [TS]

01:00:20   a big star Wars fan as well and we had a [TS]

01:00:22   joke when we were kids by favorite my [TS]

01:00:24   favorite shots in this entire movie use [TS]

01:00:25   your faders like that's it the rebels [TS]

01:00:27   are there you know and then he goes [TS]

01:00:29   general veers and he turns around right [TS]

01:00:31   yes he's right there and to my house is [TS]

01:00:33   like an inch is for mistakes and every [TS]

01:00:36   time after that controlled like why are [TS]

01:00:38   you so glum [TS]

01:00:40   yes space but it's definitely something [TS]

01:00:43   that was dead i noticed that see it's [TS]

01:00:45   such a weird but i have to give super [TS]

01:00:47   props to essentially in glover I think [TS]

01:00:49   who doesn't blink right haters like [TS]

01:00:52   ahead whips around he's just like nope [TS]

01:00:54   i'm here so you work with darth vader [TS]

01:00:57   you gotta take it later later to become [TS]

01:00:59   ya laters play a part in an Indian into [TS]

01:01:02   it is I i have one of my notes serious [TS]

01:01:04   hey it's julian glover it's Walter [TS]

01:01:06   Donovan it's what did I tell you dr. [TS]

01:01:08   Jones never trust for me he will always [TS]

01:01:11   be scare off last of the Jagger off from [TS]

01:01:14   the city of death episode of dr who [TS]

01:01:17   that's where I first met Julian Glover [TS]

01:01:20   so when when he was in indiana jones and [TS]

01:01:22   the last crusade ok it's that guy [TS]

01:01:24   it's the guy from Doctor Who I didn't [TS]

01:01:26   even notice that he was a movie until [TS]

01:01:28   years later cheese is general here and [TS]

01:01:30   there was also we learned the the way [TS]

01:01:31   that you get ahead in the military in [TS]

01:01:34   the Empire which is the choke to death [TS]

01:01:36   by before so it is a good economy of [TS]

01:01:39   dialogue and these scenes too because [TS]

01:01:40   when the guys get in trouble do Vader [TS]

01:01:42   again i can just imagine in a modern [TS]

01:01:44   movie or you have to have the bag i say [TS]

01:01:45   a whole bunch of bad stuff where he [TS]

01:01:47   likes I'm really you know some sort of [TS]

01:01:49   big evil guy speed you're talking about [TS]

01:01:51   how he loves to kill people all the [TS]

01:01:52   blood this one quick choking cases [TS]

01:01:55   clumsy and stupid getting on my screen [TS]

01:01:56   and choke and next well I think about [TS]

01:01:59   the it builds ago yorkshire we but we've [TS]

01:02:02   built on it right because in the last [TS]

01:02:04   movie he was in the room right he [TS]

01:02:06   reaches over and over to feeling like [TS]

01:02:08   I'm crushing I'm crushing your head I'm [TS]

01:02:09   crushing your head but in this one it's [TS]

01:02:11   like he doesn't do anything right [TS]

01:02:13   hands on the screen because I'm in the [TS]

01:02:14   same right you don't need the pantomime [TS]

01:02:16   that anymore know right exactly he's [TS]

01:02:18   just sort of looking at him the guy [TS]

01:02:19   kills over and you're like well he [TS]

01:02:20   probably just like choking up a statue [TS]

01:02:22   or something you have to pantomime in [TS]

01:02:24   the first movie us the audience wouldn't [TS]

01:02:25   understand what was going on you have to [TS]

01:02:27   make right [TS]

01:02:27   no I'm the black suit making the pinchy [TS]

01:02:29   thing with his fingers is doing it but [TS]

01:02:30   now let's establish you don't have to do [TS]

01:02:32   that thing and it also serves to make [TS]

01:02:34   him look like he's up and I want to give [TS]

01:02:36   super props in this point to it to a [TS]

01:02:38   secondary character PA who I think he is [TS]

01:02:43   another one of those great sort of [TS]

01:02:45   professional actors right who this was a [TS]

01:02:48   gig or whatever but he really brings [TS]

01:02:50   guys you know the whole thing EP it's [TS]

01:02:52   like I replaces out of the Admiral Ozzel [TS]

01:02:54   who was killed off right [TS]

01:02:56   if you watch his expression through the [TS]

01:02:58   whole thing and just his his behavior [TS]

01:03:00   he's just like he's in there right he is [TS]

01:03:03   doing that role and his years working it [TS]

01:03:05   like a professional i love my favorite [TS]

01:03:07   shot of him in the entire movie which [TS]

01:03:08   will come which is basically the lash [TS]

01:03:11   out of him is you know at the very end [TS]

01:03:12   when that when the fucking gets away you [TS]

01:03:14   see the look on his face when you [TS]

01:03:16   realize oh sure that rocks they got away [TS]

01:03:19   and like you just you can see like the [TS]

01:03:21   color drained out of his face and I'm [TS]

01:03:23   like that is good and so I get through [TS]

01:03:25   this entire thing I think he does an [TS]

01:03:27   awesome job of like he's the guy who [TS]

01:03:29   realizes just how tenuous his position [TS]

01:03:32   is right and and he's seen his [TS]

01:03:34   predecessor choked in front of his eyes [TS]

01:03:36   and nose like what the stakes are and [TS]

01:03:38   he's trying his damnedest to make sure [TS]

01:03:40   that they you know he keeps this this [TS]

01:03:42   crazy Dark Lord guy happy like he's just [TS]

01:03:45   the money is just a soldier right it's [TS]

01:03:47   just the guy who's flying the ship and [TS]

01:03:48   he's like I you know I ended up here [TS]

01:03:51   I you know I'm not really sure what [TS]

01:03:52   happened but boy I better keep this guy [TS]

01:03:54   happy or else I'm gonna keel over in a [TS]

01:03:56   few minutes [TS]

01:03:56   it's just bringing in coffee earlier now [TS]

01:03:58   here I i am mr. gel I mean just because [TS]

01:04:01   i was just an intern now I'm an ad rule [TS]

01:04:03   but the interesting thing about Pete to [TS]

01:04:06   is as i recall has a slightly expanded [TS]

01:04:08   role in the in the radio drama which I [TS]

01:04:10   suspect is one of the reasons why Dan [TS]

01:04:11   likes him [TS]

01:04:12   this is heats it's very much since when [TS]

01:04:15   but even the understated parts of him in [TS]

01:04:17   in the movie you know he's a secondary [TS]

01:04:19   character right he doesn't he's not the [TS]

01:04:21   main villain he's not even like you know [TS]

01:04:22   he's not targeting or anything of that [TS]

01:04:24   level [TS]

01:04:25   he's just this soldier and yet [TS]

01:04:26   I think those moments that he plays he [TS]

01:04:29   has a story [TS]

01:04:30   well neither does he have a story but is [TS]

01:04:32   emblematic of this whole empire again [TS]

01:04:33   these these are you know there's a [TS]

01:04:36   well-oiled military machine right very [TS]

01:04:39   professional very disciplined and then [TS]

01:04:41   you throw in this row guy with a cape [TS]

01:04:44   and a helmet right he's just stalking [TS]

01:04:45   around killing guys left and right this [TS]

01:04:48   is this is extremely on military and so [TS]

01:04:51   you kind of but he knows like Mariano [TS]

01:04:53   Yankees the Emperor's you know because [TS]

01:04:55   the Emperor's little protégé I can't [TS]

01:04:57   screw around with him I gotta listen to [TS]

01:04:59   him even though I'm you know an admiral [TS]

01:05:01   or a captain or whatever and I think [TS]

01:05:03   it's just it's a fascinating dynamic [TS]

01:05:04   that we get the Empire which at the same [TS]

01:05:06   time the villains in this is the same [TS]

01:05:08   time this huge monolithic you know very [TS]

01:05:11   like you know military-industrial [TS]

01:05:13   complex and at the same time there's [TS]

01:05:15   this huge mystical darkside element and [TS]

01:05:18   the meshing of those two that the edges [TS]

01:05:20   there are just really fascinating you [TS]

01:05:21   know when you have a dot bad guys and [TS]

01:05:23   and and movies there's two ways they can [TS]

01:05:25   go then go with the crazy maniac was [TS]

01:05:27   like I'm crazy I'm the biggest baddest [TS]

01:05:29   of the bad guy because I'm the craziest [TS]

01:05:30   of the bad guys and they ran a raven the [TS]

01:05:32   yellow people and they kill people and [TS]

01:05:33   songs over and then they have the steel [TS]

01:05:36   guy who's like he's the quiet guy but if [TS]

01:05:38   you cross me kill you and you just [TS]

01:05:39   always quiet and reserved right [TS]

01:05:41   Bader is it doesn't fit into either one [TS]

01:05:43   of those clichés because he's certainly [TS]

01:05:45   not ranting and raving and yelling at [TS]

01:05:46   people like he's not a hothead right [TS]

01:05:48   he's pretty much calm but on the other [TS]

01:05:50   hand he's frustrated and angry about [TS]

01:05:52   things going wrong he's not like so cool [TS]

01:05:55   that you think he's a sociopath that [TS]

01:05:57   just has no feelings about anything he's [TS]

01:05:58   frustrated when people get away he's [TS]

01:06:00   frustrated when his guys don't perform [TS]

01:06:01   correctly but he doesn't yell he doesn't [TS]

01:06:04   rant and raved broken ankle show he [TS]

01:06:06   chokes him outside Lee he picks the next [TS]

01:06:08   guy command you're in charge now he [TS]

01:06:10   makes his wishes clear don't family [TS]

01:06:12   because i'm actually kind of annoyed [TS]

01:06:13   about this but I'm not gonna go yelling [TS]

01:06:15   at everybody i'm not going to be ranting [TS]

01:06:16   and raving he's on the first movie he [TS]

01:06:18   does yell right but he doesn't think [TS]

01:06:20   he's different Vader he's more badass [TS]

01:06:22   now he's less desperate and frantic and [TS]

01:06:25   stuff like that but you can still see [TS]

01:06:26   underneath it all as this human is [TS]

01:06:27   frustrated about the fact that he can't [TS]

01:06:29   get right is giant cleat to catch these [TS]

01:06:30   rebels and and again from from a [TS]

01:06:32   production standpoint we we commented in [TS]

01:06:35   any earlier than the star wars episode [TS]

01:06:36   like Vader's lines come across very [TS]

01:06:38   rushed right the [TS]

01:06:39   clearly they're dumping stuff in over [TS]

01:06:41   afterwards and so I wonder what happened [TS]

01:06:44   those plans today with the parent now [TS]

01:06:45   you know like it's all very rush words [TS]

01:06:47   in this one they they clearly took a lot [TS]

01:06:49   more time to match up and everything [TS]

01:06:51   Vader does is as John say it's very slow [TS]

01:06:53   writes very deliberate [TS]

01:06:55   there's a lot of time and everything [TS]

01:06:56   meshes much better and it makes him that [TS]

01:06:59   much more menacing because you know like [TS]

01:07:01   like you're saying is he's he's not he's [TS]

01:07:04   frustrated but he's not like harried [TS]

01:07:06   right he's and I think that that gives a [TS]

01:07:10   lot to his presence and plus they give [TS]

01:07:12   him these great little turns of phrase [TS]

01:07:13   that are threatening but not in ways [TS]

01:07:15   that you would typically associate is [TS]

01:07:17   threatening I mean there's a scene later [TS]

01:07:18   on he says there are two Admiral exactly [TS]

01:07:21   that's exactly thinking [TS]

01:07:22   don't disappoint me again Admiral [TS]

01:07:25   anything you like you don't need to say [TS]

01:07:27   or I'll kill you like the previous [TS]

01:07:29   geyser and it's implied the Admiral [TS]

01:07:33   means I about to die [TS]

01:07:36   yeah it's a code so it's a safe love we [TS]

01:07:38   we are we should go back to to hof now [TS]

01:07:41   for the the first big because we've been [TS]

01:07:43   talking all this time it's been great [TS]

01:07:44   but we haven't gotten to the first big [TS]

01:07:46   set piece of the movie which is the [TS]

01:07:48   assault on the rebel base by the [TS]

01:07:50   Imperial Walker's but first i have to [TS]

01:07:52   mention my art those medical droids very [TS]

01:07:56   friendly and concerned about the [TS]

01:07:58   well-being of their patients because [TS]

01:08:00   there's a whole day so there's a whole [TS]

01:08:01   scene it is just strangely the robot are [TS]

01:08:04   the droid being concerned that Luke will [TS]

01:08:06   have a good day and take your own mental [TS]

01:08:08   health is part of overall health you can [TS]

01:08:10   elect oh absolutely nothing what's he [TS]

01:08:14   wants to make sure that they can [TS]

01:08:15   evacuate those the heavier equipment to [TS]

01:08:17   yes of course concerned because that is [TS]

01:08:19   going to be left behind and taken over [TS]

01:08:20   by the the Empire which I assume was the [TS]

01:08:23   case right as the cigar right they're [TS]

01:08:25   gonna reboot they actually have a joke [TS]

01:08:27   about that in the radio dramas reason [TS]

01:08:29   radio drama is this whole long [TS]

01:08:31   conversation between the two of them [TS]

01:08:33   when he says I once fact that the droids [TS]

01:08:35   like I want to practice medicine in [TS]

01:08:36   imperial clinic I take your meaning you [TS]

01:08:39   like you know he doesn't want to be left [TS]

01:08:40   behind if right i just love but I think [TS]

01:08:43   that seeing that scene in this movie [TS]

01:08:45   it gives them a chance to start playing [TS]

01:08:48   Luke's a music to say that the sort of [TS]

01:08:51   happy-go-lucky not happy go lucky [TS]

01:08:53   but i want to fight for the rebels Lucas [TS]

01:08:55   back he's better now he's d want but [TS]

01:08:57   he's out of the things he's doing it [TS]

01:09:00   seems that scene between hanalei is over [TS]

01:09:02   his theme music star state playing he's [TS]

01:09:04   getting suited up he's ready to get off [TS]

01:09:06   the end off to the you know to the pilot [TS]

01:09:08   stuff that we've been any and he gets it [TS]

01:09:10   nice in this thing it's not an x-wing [TS]

01:09:12   but he sits in anything and so now [TS]

01:09:13   everyone who saw the previous movies [TS]

01:09:15   like Luke and an orange jumpsuit going [TS]

01:09:17   into a thing or it's not a spaceship but [TS]

01:09:18   it's coming on internship right he's got [TS]

01:09:20   a co-pilot minus the copilot says I [TS]

01:09:22   could take on the whole of their voice [TS]

01:09:24   yeah yeah I know you're the reason that [TS]

01:09:28   bastard as we always add to that seemed [TS]

01:09:30   he dies but the thing is that the reason [TS]

01:09:33   that line works is is because every kid [TS]

01:09:37   who came out of a new hope after they [TS]

01:09:39   came out of a new hope that thought that [TS]

01:09:41   they could take on the whole entire [TS]

01:09:42   themselves a look finally gets back into [TS]

01:09:43   the ship where we want to see him as the [TS]

01:09:45   little kids saying yes look at back in [TS]

01:09:46   the ship and its dresses I feel like you [TS]

01:09:48   take the whole empire self and books and [TS]

01:09:50   what you mean the kids I was like yes I [TS]

01:09:51   know what you mean to because I to feel [TS]

01:09:54   like I can take on the entire empire [TS]

01:09:55   just like you did in that trench thing [TS]

01:09:56   and I'm done a million times underneath [TS]

01:09:57   my covers with my ex wings you know it's [TS]

01:10:00   a anyway we skipped over briefly like [TS]

01:10:03   one moment I wanted to speak to as we [TS]

01:10:06   talked about the economy which is which [TS]

01:10:07   is Lucan Hans farewell scene right which [TS]

01:10:10   is i believe the dialogue is you all [TS]

01:10:12   right yeah take care of yourself you to [TS]

01:10:16   like that's it and all is all done and [TS]

01:10:17   it's all delivery right and and i think [TS]

01:10:20   what's fascinating about that scene is [TS]

01:10:21   like you take those lines and they're [TS]

01:10:23   totally generic there's nothing that [TS]

01:10:25   couldn't be in you wouldn't see not and [TS]

01:10:26   there's no substance to the lines and [TS]

01:10:28   yet there is something in the way that [TS]

01:10:31   you know in the rapport between those [TS]

01:10:34   two characters that that lets you see [TS]

01:10:37   between the lines and and the subtleties [TS]

01:10:39   there but it's fascinating like that's [TS]

01:10:40   that were these guys are gonna see each [TS]

01:10:42   other for another you know like the rest [TS]

01:10:44   of this like the the one hour and a half [TS]

01:10:46   their left in this film were two hours [TS]

01:10:48   that are left in this film and that's [TS]

01:10:50   how they say goodbye [TS]

01:10:51   no high fives nothing and Luke does this [TS]

01:10:54   little to double take to step 2 if [TS]

01:10:56   you're watching Luke is about to turn [TS]

01:10:57   away half turns away than half turns [TS]

01:10:59   back lots of little physical acting [TS]

01:11:02   there besides the lines and yeah I an [TS]

01:11:05   edge it's a nice little scene [TS]

01:11:07   nope but amazes me that they got away [TS]

01:11:08   with it with such really generic [TS]

01:11:10   dialogue buddy you know it but it works [TS]

01:11:12   and now we're back to flying so so [TS]

01:11:14   Imperial uh still Walker seen anybody [TS]

01:11:17   have any any thoughts about this i mean [TS]

01:11:19   it's a cool action scene right it's a [TS]

01:11:21   good thing they have total cables tow [TS]

01:11:23   cables [TS]

01:11:24   yes we thought to put them on I i played [TS]

01:11:28   rogue leader way way way too many times [TS]

01:11:31   to count growing up as a kid but I have [TS]

01:11:34   to say of the entire movie The Hoff [TS]

01:11:37   battle infuriates me because it makes no [TS]

01:11:40   sense in the space of like what an hour [TS]

01:11:42   two hours how they have gone from [TS]

01:11:44   fighting an initial space battle to all [TS]

01:11:46   the sudden even those are there's some [TS]

01:11:48   sort of energy shield over the planet [TS]

01:11:50   they have managed to land these big [TS]

01:11:52   giant hulking creatures getting out of a [TS]

01:11:55   Star Destroyer get them apparently [TS]

01:11:57   within 10 miles of the base get them set [TS]

01:12:00   up also get Darth Vader landed on the [TS]

01:12:02   plant like the logistics of this which I [TS]

01:12:05   didn't notice is a kid and I'd their [TS]

01:12:07   energy shields they prevent you from [TS]

01:12:09   shooting things onto the planet they [TS]

01:12:10   don't prevent things from going onto the [TS]

01:12:12   planet their particle the ratios not [TS]

01:12:14   particle shields okay i'm going to [TS]

01:12:15   broach the subject the prequels here to [TS]

01:12:17   say they show the details of how an [TS]

01:12:19   invasion like this works in episode 1 [TS]

01:12:22   and i think in seeing that you see very [TS]

01:12:25   well why it's up probably find that they [TS]

01:12:28   don't show it here that a very wisely [TS]

01:12:30   don't show and they explained it in the [TS]

01:12:32   they explained in the radio drama as [TS]

01:12:34   well because it's not it's not important [TS]

01:12:36   i have no desire to see them explain it [TS]

01:12:38   was just something that always [TS]

01:12:39   infuriated me it doesn't explain i [TS]

01:12:41   thought there was a long enough time gap [TS]

01:12:42   because the rebels have plenty of time [TS]

01:12:44   to prepare that time to dick stretches [TS]

01:12:45   they had done to get all set up they had [TS]

01:12:47   time to get their speeders ready I got [TS]

01:12:49   the impression and they got their plan [TS]

01:12:50   with the ion cannon to get the two to [TS]

01:12:52   evaluate like it there was at this time [TS]

01:12:54   and they're waiting like when will the [TS]

01:12:55   enemy appear I thought I felt that there [TS]

01:12:57   was a long time gap it between the time [TS]

01:13:00   when they said it's a good bet the [TS]

01:13:01   Empire knows we're here to the time when [TS]

01:13:02   they could finally see the Imperial [TS]

01:13:04   Walker's through their binoculars they [TS]

01:13:05   came from far off right i mean they land [TS]

01:13:07   them outside the shield sort of and have [TS]

01:13:08   them walk instead I think a lot alike [TS]

01:13:10   right on top of the generated welcome to [TS]

01:13:12   see they built himself tall and spindly [TS]

01:13:14   and skinny that's another and why [TS]

01:13:16   they're talking able to the snowspeeders [TS]

01:13:17   you think about it too much i got two [TS]

01:13:18   things around [TS]

01:13:19   it's really important house you move [TS]

01:13:21   things you gotta tow package on your car [TS]

01:13:23   no well they won't be taking down any [TS]

01:13:25   Walker it's kinda it's kinda like [TS]

01:13:26   voltron is blazing sword it's like just [TS]

01:13:28   got the tow cables first don't bother [TS]

01:13:29   with the blasters that Armstrong [TS]

01:13:31   combustors guess what you know we could [TS]

01:13:32   guess that use the tow cables i love the [TS]

01:13:35   comments about how you know it we ran [TS]

01:13:37   was talking about playing rogue leader [TS]

01:13:38   and it occurs to me that i think i think [TS]

01:13:40   my friend Tony although i don't he was [TS]

01:13:42   quoting someone else being like man I've [TS]

01:13:44   played the Battle of Hoth probably is at [TS]

01:13:45   least as many times as invited like in [TS]

01:13:47   video games i played like the invented [TS]

01:13:49   by DJ on normandie pls let you battle [TS]

01:13:53   scenes that are not every freaking game [TS]

01:13:55   so um you know I i don't i don't have a [TS]

01:13:59   lot to say about the about the battle [TS]

01:14:01   itself for me that the scene that really [TS]

01:14:02   grabs me as after right after it uh as [TS]

01:14:05   as the Empire really it's the line right [TS]

01:14:08   its Imperial forces invaded the base [TS]

01:14:10   that's imperial troops apparent groups [TS]

01:14:13   of the best that that's the thing that [TS]

01:14:14   gets that's the stuff that I really love [TS]

01:14:16   is is if that's the og's we gotta get [TS]

01:14:19   outta here now they're coming [TS]

01:14:21   there's the extent that doesn't sound as [TS]

01:14:23   the government radios like a better the [TS]

01:14:24   problem you know what he's gone yeah and [TS]

01:14:27   that's the stuff i mean it's a fun [TS]

01:14:29   action scene with the walkers and you [TS]

01:14:31   know but but who gets the shimmy up that [TS]

01:14:33   thing and threw a grenade yeah he makes [TS]

01:14:35   out a whole ad himself showing that he's [TS]

01:14:37   resourceful and you know right is not a [TS]

01:14:39   top of his game entirely but he's [TS]

01:14:41   resourceful and can do instinct is that [TS]

01:14:43   people can't because he has a lightsaber [TS]

01:14:45   and he didn't really use force but he [TS]

01:14:46   was he uses brain and hate relationship [TS]

01:14:48   and it's a pilot died and apparently [TS]

01:14:51   r2d2 can fly the x-wing short distances [TS]

01:14:53   himself to get it out to the staging [TS]

01:14:55   area so it was about what to do with [TS]

01:14:57   cables you're right with the tow cable [TS]

01:15:00   cheese people well and and we also have [TS]

01:15:03   others are thinking that pre we got see [TS]

01:15:05   that wedges alive [TS]

01:15:06   however I'm always excited about that [TS]

01:15:08   shot Jackson to hear wedge could chat [TS]

01:15:11   Denis Lawson so Anna and also you got [TS]

01:15:13   the smog a driver is the shoot will be [TS]

01:15:15   down in moments you may start you said [TS]

01:15:16   look at the look on his face with that [TS]

01:15:18   with that to helmet as he's like on his [TS]

01:15:19   like that's right I've got mad at [TS]

01:15:21   understand cruising in town on the ad at [TS]

01:15:23   don't you love that is the little [TS]

01:15:24   pocket-sized Darth Vader hologram to ya [TS]

01:15:26   if I if I was that guy be like many of [TS]

01:15:29   the mini hologram but later uses to hear [TS]

01:15:32   because the Supreme would be no good [TS]

01:15:34   when you could white house anyway you [TS]

01:15:36   can have a little hologram of darkness [TS]

01:15:37   like Jesus on your head like an action [TS]

01:15:39   figure [TS]

01:15:40   no don't don't bother having a full Sun [TS]

01:15:41   or theater hologram alrighty i'll be [TS]

01:15:43   like scary enough room in the car but [TS]

01:15:46   then he's got a periscope peoples of the [TS]

01:15:48   shield he's doing his job he's confident [TS]

01:15:50   right to the part where you know I [TS]

01:15:51   actually apparently he supposed to [TS]

01:15:52   supposed to die or something i was [TS]

01:15:54   reading one of the other in a cutscene [TS]

01:15:56   or something i was reading online [TS]

01:15:57   someone had a the cut scenes that are I [TS]

01:16:00   think included in the special edition [TS]

01:16:01   blu rays just came out where they said [TS]

01:16:03   like basically he supposed to get [TS]

01:16:04   supposed to get some ice at the after [TS]

01:16:07   that scene but it was always think that [TS]

01:16:08   when when Luke is repelling up the into [TS]

01:16:13   the belly of the the snow speed but he's [TS]

01:16:15   gonna go in to the east of throw his [TS]

01:16:18   lightsaber in and then jump in and then [TS]

01:16:20   go to kill everybody and he never does [TS]

01:16:22   it turns out because for whatever reason [TS]

01:16:24   I always read the thing he's throwing [TS]

01:16:25   his lightsaber and it's not it's a [TS]

01:16:27   grenade grenade uses the same hand is [TS]

01:16:30   holding a lightsaber and but it's true [TS]

01:16:31   and I realized that what made me realize [TS]

01:16:34   that is because my son made the same [TS]

01:16:35   mistake he was like after it blows up [TS]

01:16:37   because oh I thought he threw his [TS]

01:16:39   lightsaber in there and I said well [TS]

01:16:42   that's ridiculous why would anybody do [TS]

01:16:43   that and be silly boy [TS]

01:16:47   the thing I actually really you know the [TS]

01:16:49   big battle is is nice but I also i love [TS]

01:16:51   the scene where Leia is basically there [TS]

01:16:53   till the bitter end and everything's [TS]

01:16:55   falling costs around her and she's like [TS]

01:16:57   no get to your stations i can't believe [TS]

01:17:00   i need to make sure everybody's fine i [TS]

01:17:02   love i love that the whole empire [TS]

01:17:05   imperial troops are in the base and [TS]

01:17:07   she's she's holding out until they sort [TS]

01:17:10   of like can convince her to go the scene [TS]

01:17:13   where Darth Vader is now I mean he's [TS]

01:17:15   walking down that corridor the IC [TS]

01:17:17   quarter have been that such I mean just [TS]

01:17:19   the image of that it's like oh jeez [TS]

01:17:22   right here right where I wanted on one [TS]

01:17:24   corridor the this it collapses he wants [TS]

01:17:27   to place like he owns ok he's like he's [TS]

01:17:29   not he's not creeping around checking [TS]

01:17:30   around corners he's walking in those you [TS]

01:17:32   got the creepy snow troopers to write [TS]

01:17:35   like you have the creepy the sort of the [TS]

01:17:37   Stormtrooper to have the white like yeah [TS]

01:17:38   I don't think nazi-like Nazis her [TS]

01:17:42   flippers there kk yeah they're like [TS]

01:17:44   super happy [TS]

01:17:45   then Hans like well I'm gonna take Leila [TS]

01:17:47   to the to transport number it collapses [TS]

01:17:50   so I she's got to go with him [TS]

01:17:52   darn and some of he keep radius we [TS]

01:17:55   totally rigged that corridor collapse [TS]

01:17:57   chewy is he knows everything was going [TS]

01:17:59   ok so let's let's take a second speak of [TS]

01:18:02   you know i love the scene where they're [TS]

01:18:04   in the docking bay right there running [TS]

01:18:06   you know [TS]

01:18:06   30 after all first guess where are you [TS]

01:18:08   going you know if you're traveling along [TS]

01:18:10   after them and then eat the you know i [TS]

01:18:13   love that the urgency in that scene so [TS]

01:18:14   hehe like they run into the into the [TS]

01:18:16   hangar bay and they're like they're like [TS]

01:18:17   sprinting right they got to get into the [TS]

01:18:19   future since the Darth Vader is like [TS]

01:18:20   right behind them and they're running [TS]

01:18:22   they're running really fast and Darth [TS]

01:18:24   Vader is walking slowly and catching [TS]

01:18:26   light of it spits pepe le pew and so and [TS]

01:18:30   so forth repeal gets on and i love the [TS]

01:18:31   fact that you the ramp starts to go up [TS]

01:18:33   while he's still on the ramp right like [TS]

01:18:35   they're getting the hell out of there [TS]

01:18:37   and so you know they flip everything on [TS]

01:18:38   and in one of my favorite moments in [TS]

01:18:41   that entire movie clip all the fucking [TS]

01:18:43   on the falken on and because hongos way [TS]

01:18:46   of what influence he doesn't want any [TS]

01:18:48   thing but and and also Threepio is [TS]

01:18:51   trying to talk to him trying to make her [TS]

01:18:52   money that he turns to 3p oh what's up [TS]

01:18:54   as one puts up one finger looks that I'm [TS]

01:18:56   no dialogue and then you get a [TS]

01:18:58   screenshot of a good and I don't even [TS]

01:19:00   know that couldn't have been in the [TS]

01:19:01   script that's just that's just Harrison [TS]

01:19:02   Ford going I'm going to give you three [TS]

01:19:03   people look I'm going to put one finger [TS]

01:19:05   and then going to go on [TS]

01:19:06   I mean I and I think the falken again [TS]

01:19:09   just speaking you know the fuckin is [TS]

01:19:10   just a character in and of itself more [TS]

01:19:12   in this movie then then in either the [TS]

01:19:14   others i think but in this movie it's [TS]

01:19:15   it's such an integral part of the [TS]

01:19:17   character and you know they even [TS]

01:19:18   reference it later on my character I [TS]

01:19:20   don't know where your ship learned to [TS]

01:19:21   communicate you know I I think that's [TS]

01:19:23   great and I love her as a character you [TS]

01:19:25   know I've got a few extra surprises and [TS]

01:19:27   that little gun comes out of the bag [TS]

01:19:28   help i got out and pushed it might I [TS]

01:19:30   love that line and then little gun part [TS]

01:19:33   that comes out people enjoyed shoots a [TS]

01:19:34   bunch of the story of true price and [TS]

01:19:36   they're all kinda got a he's got that [TS]

01:19:38   thing [TS]

01:19:38   wow i just i don't know i like i love [TS]

01:19:41   anything in the falken is is awesome [TS]

01:19:43   yeah but it's also a mass right it is [TS]

01:19:44   like it will definitely was created [TS]

01:19:47   apart and and and there's like that big [TS]

01:19:49   like control panel and Hans flipping all [TS]

01:19:51   the switches like oh I hope this works [TS]

01:19:53   you know where he clearly knows exactly [TS]

01:19:56   what's going on but you know he'll [TS]

01:19:59   figure [TS]

01:19:59   yeah make it work somehow i mean i think [TS]

01:20:01   that's what I wasn't happy when it works [TS]

01:20:03   like see I love that's what I love about [TS]

01:20:06   the volcano is it she's not reliable [TS]

01:20:08   right it would be so easy if like the [TS]

01:20:10   ship with the deus ex machina right I [TS]

01:20:11   gotta fuckin always get them out of [TS]

01:20:13   those jams right you know no worries [TS]

01:20:14   it's the fastest hunk of junk in the [TS]

01:20:16   galaxy and yet it breaks down a lot [TS]

01:20:18   well most sports cars are like that [TS]

01:20:20   right it's fast but it's not reliable [TS]

01:20:22   right well but it's also cobbled [TS]

01:20:24   together right because he's sort of [TS]

01:20:25   tweaked everything and you know [TS]

01:20:27   hot-rodded right on baby hold together [TS]

01:20:29   there's great rhythm to the same to wear [TS]

01:20:31   their have to enter cut between the [TS]

01:20:33   dialogue which is snappy and talking [TS]

01:20:34   about the thing and the physical comedy [TS]

01:20:36   of getting the thing to start and the [TS]

01:20:38   being chased by Darth Vader walking down [TS]

01:20:39   the hallway and shooting the [TS]

01:20:40   stormtroopers like that's all sliced [TS]

01:20:42   together and so that it just flows [TS]

01:20:44   nicely with the dialogue and and the [TS]

01:20:45   little snippets and then and then [TS]

01:20:47   combining their escape [TS]

01:20:48   that's not easy to do that's not easy [TS]

01:20:50   filmmaking when you have there's a lot [TS]

01:20:52   going on where you have to cut back and [TS]

01:20:53   forth between them in a way that doesn't [TS]

01:20:55   kill the rhythm of the dialogue but lets [TS]

01:20:56   you know exactly what's going on you [TS]

01:20:58   know it's it's not easy to do because [TS]

01:21:01   you see it done so poorly and for [TS]

01:21:02   example episode 1 which was just [TS]

01:21:03   reference yes I are [TS]

01:21:05   yeah I read you that negatively but yes [TS]

01:21:08   yeah timing and editing are two things [TS]

01:21:11   that this movie has in spades [TS]

01:21:12   I brought I brought up episode one [TS]

01:21:14   specifically because it is you know the [TS]

01:21:17   I think there's a parallel there about [TS]

01:21:18   these Imperial assaults and and how too [TS]

01:21:21   much sort of disclosure outside of where [TS]

01:21:24   you really want to focus which is on the [TS]

01:21:26   base [TS]

01:21:27   yes you could see the troops massing and [TS]

01:21:30   all of that but it's better if you don't [TS]

01:21:33   actually know it takes away the rhythm [TS]

01:21:35   it's one of those things that show you [TS]

01:21:37   can nitpick in your head and you can be [TS]

01:21:38   frustrated about but it doesn't actually [TS]

01:21:40   take away from the enjoyment of the [TS]

01:21:42   movie it's just one of those things [TS]

01:21:43   where you think about it afterwards you [TS]

01:21:45   like take it on faith you're like well [TS]

01:21:46   obviously they landed outside the shield [TS]

01:21:48   and are sending these guys in okay all [TS]

01:21:50   right order without sure it works so [TS]

01:21:52   we've spent we spent up to this point [TS]

01:21:54   it's like 40-50 minutes into the movie [TS]

01:21:56   we spent this time on the snow planet [TS]

01:21:58   with these white scenes and then we [TS]

01:22:01   finally get Luke back into an x-wing [TS]

01:22:02   back in his orange explain suit back [TS]

01:22:04   into space and the decrease in [TS]

01:22:07   brightness from the movie screen at that [TS]

01:22:08   point when he finally goes into space in [TS]

01:22:10   the x-wing and the music mellows out and [TS]

01:22:12   is [TS]

01:22:12   starfield and r2 and the beeping it's [TS]

01:22:14   just such a relaxed a visual relief from [TS]

01:22:17   the first big set piece battle type [TS]

01:22:19   thing it's like back to the familiar [TS]

01:22:21   back to look in an x-wing and relaxing [TS]

01:22:23   it's like a breather moment I starfield [TS]

01:22:26   that's what i think of star wars that [TS]

01:22:27   explains on a startling then we cut back [TS]

01:22:29   to one by the way has not doing so hot [TS]

01:22:31   right [TS]

01:22:32   can I just I want to say one thing about [TS]

01:22:34   that about Luke's exit where he's like [TS]

01:22:37   all right i'll see you at the rendezvous [TS]

01:22:38   point then they get out into the the [TS]

01:22:40   clear black of space is like no artoo [TS]

01:22:42   we're not actually going to the [TS]

01:22:43   rendezvous point RP was like what is [TS]

01:22:46   like no no we're going to take about his [TS]

01:22:48   little green where he communicates yes [TS]

01:22:50   but the thing I love the most about that [TS]

01:22:52   is that his little aside to r 2 or r2 [TS]

01:22:55   asks and pursues like I can autopilot [TS]

01:22:58   you there and and he's like no no Billy [TS]

01:23:01   doesn't really trust yeah I like no we [TS]

01:23:04   just go to the around a room you just [TS]

01:23:06   take a nap and I'll get us to dega get [TS]

01:23:10   bigger haha yeah the rendezvous that's [TS]

01:23:13   way too late if a droid could raise an [TS]

01:23:16   eyebrow skeptically are two would be a [TS]

01:23:18   yeah exactly [TS]

01:23:20   alright I'm going to stop us press the [TS]

01:23:23   pause button because we have so much to [TS]

01:23:25   say about the Empire Strikes Back that [TS]

01:23:27   we just can't fit it in one podcast so [TS]

01:23:31   I'm going to ask wait there's a [TS]

01:23:32   cliffhanger yes it's like the old [TS]

01:23:34   cereals that the Star Wars movies [TS]

01:23:36   modeled after there's a weird to go we [TS]

01:23:38   finish talking about actually this is [TS]

01:23:40   the point where Dan Morgan is frozen in [TS]

01:23:41   carbonite and does not return until late [TS]

01:23:45   in the next year just trying to shut me [TS]

01:23:46   out like that we're at the dates again [TS]

01:23:48   did you come back and talk about this [TS]

01:23:51   again next week [TS]

01:23:53   oh wait sorry i wasn't that we got sound [TS]

01:23:57   of dat carbonite are you can you can you [TS]

01:24:00   put in that sound back after the editor [TS]

01:24:03   carbon sorry I'm getting ahead of myself [TS]

01:24:06   yes I would be delighted to come back [TS]

01:24:08   and continue talking about John syracuse [TS]

01:24:10   I know you'll be back [TS]

01:24:11   always 50 what cannot be done uh-huh and [TS]

01:24:16   it's already called well thank you for [TS]

01:24:19   sharing your perspective and and i would [TS]

01:24:22   like you to come back next week if [TS]

01:24:23   you're willing i am willing indeed [TS]

01:24:26   considerate alright i'll consider great [TS]

01:24:28   so stay tuned next week for more of the [TS]

01:24:33   incomparable and the empire strikes back [TS]

01:24:34   until then I'm Jason Snell thanks again [TS]

01:24:37   for listening [TS]

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