The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable contest number 66 [TS]

00:00:06 ◼   ► November 2011 [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► welcome back to being comfortable [TS]

00:00:12 ◼   ► podcast i'm dan moore and sitting in for [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► Jason Snell we are convening once again [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► our book club this week we're discussing [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► ready player one by Ernest Cline and [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► with me i have an elite group of [TS]

00:00:26 ◼   ► panelists i am joined by scott McNulty [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► hello dad [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► insert random eighties reference here I [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► I see you came prepared [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► I did in addition we are joined by John [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► siracusa hi John little bit sleepy [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► tonight Dan but maybe my anger or wake [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► me up [TS]

00:00:46 ◼   ► we are also have Monty Ashley hi Monty [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► hello [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► intruder alert is that a video game that [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► was in this book if not it's the only [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► one that wasn't you could have just said [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► video game in this book and then we will [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► with laughed knowingly haha [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► and of course serenity Caldwell Iran hi [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► our topic tonight as i mentioned ready [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► player one by Ernest Cline this is I i [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► think this may be his first book but he [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► is a screenwriter I believe he wrote a [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► movie fan boys as i recall which [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► surprisingly enough is about science [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► fiction and geeks who would have seen it [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► coming but ready player one is a scifi [TS]

00:01:30 ◼   ► books said in the i guess you could say [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► the near future [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► it seems to borrow from pretty much [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► every property if you're within the age [TS]

00:01:38 ◼   ► of what say 2240 maybe like every single [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► thing that you grew up with seems to [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► have found its way into this book [TS]

00:01:46 ◼   ► somehow does that make it a good book [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► doesn't make it a band does it just make [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► it a book i guess we'll see [TS]

00:01:52 ◼   ► so to start off I thought we talked a [TS]

00:01:54 ◼   ► little bit about the story of the book [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► itself and then we can we can delve a [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► little more into the the numerous [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► limoges but the story sort of follows [TS]

00:02:05 ◼   ► this this young guy [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► Wade we learn about him through this [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► massively multiplayer online game [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► that he plays which may sound like other [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► massively multiplayer online games but [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► there seemed to be a it seems to be one [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► big metaverse style world in the in the [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► in the ways of william gibson and neal [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► stephenson and I i will start off by [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► saying that I thought the the [TS]

00:02:31 ◼   ► introduction part of this book where [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► that story is laid out for us was [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► somewhat horrific and almost made me put [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► the book down horrific and waterway dan [TS]

00:02:41 ◼   ► I think it was I think they'd be the [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► information dump aspect of it not the [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► ideas the ideas were fine i mean the [TS]

00:02:46 ◼   ► ideas we seem like science fiction the [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► kind of stuff that were used to but it [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► was all shoveled at you so quickly that [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► I got bored because i felt like i was [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► reading you know like a history book for [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► something that never happened [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► well you know he just wanted to get all [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► that information out of the way so we [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► could delve really into his characters [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► and tell us about their backstories and [TS]

00:03:06 ◼   ► yeah I asking inside their head exactly [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► richly paint them or just reference [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► eighties movies a lot you so I'm I'm [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► getting the feeling that you guys feel [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► similarly about so at you know as [TS]

00:03:18 ◼   ► someone who has never written any real [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► fiction and doesn't write anything I [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► think there's something that everybody [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► knows about the craft of writing fiction [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► even if you've never written any fiction [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► i never tried to write infections like [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► one rule that people know and this book [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► dances on its little gray from what is [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► that rule show don't tell [TS]

00:03:36 ◼   ► for the love of God people this book is [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► like a giant exercise and what not to do [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► and did the first little part the damage [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► talking about what did you do [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► he tells you a bunch of stuff it's like [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► I don't I don't want you to tell me show [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► me show me this cool world that you have [TS]

00:03:51 ◼   ► don't tell me everything about it and it [TS]

00:03:53 ◼   ► just never stops [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► I would have really loved if there had [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► been a way to just frame it so that the [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► entire story is just holidays video the [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► prelude and then we have to get the [TS]

00:04:03 ◼   ► information from there instead it's [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► holidays video along with oh let me tell [TS]

00:04:07 ◼   ► you all the backstory about holidays [TS]

00:04:09 ◼   ► video let me tell you about holiday [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► oh let me also tell you about the world [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► it just doesn't quite work the way you [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► wanted to a lot of telling it reads [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► original I mean of course client like I [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► said you know he was a screenwriter and [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► i think it is summer reads not so much [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► like a screen look like a synopsis right [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► like the premise like [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► right so here's my concept it's a world [TS]

00:04:28 ◼   ► where there's a big video game and [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► everybody's looking for this one [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► easter egg that's inside the video game [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► how and then it's like it's got like the [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► end is like he wrote the entire [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► wikipedia like or it's a bad voiceover [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► in a world where voiceover the trailer [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► voiceover for the first scene of the [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► movie before you get to the actual movie [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► but nothing that is really the point of [TS]

00:04:48 ◼   ► the book the idea is to get into a world [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► where you're obsessive memorization of [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► Monty Python actually matters all geeked [TS]

00:04:57 ◼   ► streams yeah we basically all kind of [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► hope right that all this random data [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► that we've acquired over the many many [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► years that we've been alive will come in [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► handy someday somehow and in this world [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► in some ways the geeks you know are the [TS]

00:05:13 ◼   ► ultimate class because they are the ones [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► who have all this esoteric knowledge [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► yeah practicing joust for hours and [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► learning how to get through store in 15 [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► minutes [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► that was an important skill that's gonna [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► pay off at some point it's it's this [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► book reads a little bit like like like [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► cognitive dissonance reduction or [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► something like this like I didn't waste [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► my childhood these skills have used see [TS]

00:05:39 ◼   ► mom I could be a I could be a superhero [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► it would be getting out the geek mine [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► repels repels of the idea that they need [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► this such a vast world of things that [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► geeks do that this book in this contest [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► can necessarily only include tiny subset [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► of them and the odds of that subset [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► exactly overlapping with your particular [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► subset of basically zero so the only [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► thing that's believe bonus is that the [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► Sixers could have a vast network of [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► highly paid people who cumulatively [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► could have these skills and they didn't [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► waste their sales but individually the [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► odds of any individual one person having [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► the scales let alone like the three or [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► four good guys all knowing exactly these [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► specific things that human brain can't [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► hold that much information you know well [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► the the point of the whole beginning [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► prologue right is that they they [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► obsessively study what holiday they [TS]

00:06:26 ◼   ► study but you can't you just can't this [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► too much you just can't study that [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► matter is it's it's the there there are [TS]

00:06:31 ◼   ► the script they are led by the script to [TS]

00:06:33 ◼   ► have memorize these particular movies [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► news but not actually they've memorized [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► every moving it is also a photographic [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► memories it's you know [TS]

00:06:39 ◼   ► so in the future yes I've nearly spent [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► my life learning exactly what these [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► characters have learned but I can't go [TS]

00:06:46 ◼   ► play pac-man and get a perfect score [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► just because I on your first try [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► yeah but well that's because you're not [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► trying hard enough ah well that's [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► because that's because you're not [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► trapped in the story where every single [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► thing that happens has happened for an [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► obvious reason its television stars like [TS]

00:07:02 ◼   ► I wonder why this packing able that be [TS]

00:07:04 ◼   ► important now certainly not rule I i [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► have to say remind me a little bit i was [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► watching at a friend's house a kung fu [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► movie the other night and this is a this [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► come from movie from the seventies it [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► was awesome and by awesome i mean [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► terrible but the end up the the moral of [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► the story ended up being that this this [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► random sort of chinese kung foo kid this [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► cube and studying it like under his [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► father accidentally challenges like all [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► the greatest masters of Japanese kungfu [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► and like all the great masters of [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► Japanese kungfu show up and somehow this [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► random kid beats all of them with in all [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► their various disciplines it was the [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► main character you see that's how it [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► works the more the camera points that [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► you the more powerful you are [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► it should have been obvious to me so to [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► develop the plot a little bit so those [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► who are falling on haven't read the book [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► and who may now never read i liked it i [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► I you know that i enjoyed as well but [TS]

00:07:57 ◼   ► the to sort of spell of the world [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► basically there's this massively [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► multiplayer online game in which the [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► Creator james halliday has hidden [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► various easter eggs that will sort of [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► lead people on this treasure hunt at the [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► end of which they'll come into [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► unimaginable power of course and of [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► course everything is locked into all [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► these geek culture references movies TV [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► shows video games from the eighties [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► because that's the time when the [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► inventor grew up so our main character [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► is a huge geek who is really into all [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► these subject areas and is trained and [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► you'll memorize all this in the hopes [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► that he can find this easter egg which [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► of course he never does in the book is [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► really boring and ends [TS]

00:08:37 ◼   ► wait no that's not this book okay that [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► would have been too sad i'm curious as [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► to what you guys thought about the sort [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► of the moments that we spend outside of [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► the game in this future which looks [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► pretty grim [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► talk of her moment about the stacks [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► because trying to imagine that visually [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► gives me a son can you can you explain [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► what that yeah so the stacks it there [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► are is where our main character grows up [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► and it's basically from what I can [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► gather it's that the the cities of the [TS]

00:09:10 ◼   ► United States and of the world are still [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► you know fairly five functioning things [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► however power and and various other you [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► know important livelihood type things [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► have basically died out everywhere [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► that's not a major city so people drove [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► their RVs and their mobile homes and [TS]

00:09:28 ◼   ► their trailers in an attempt to try and [TS]

00:09:30 ◼   ► get near the big cities and then failed [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► and so they decided to stack their [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► mobile homes on top of each other and [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► create virtual apartments and it [TS]

00:09:40 ◼   ► it all sounds very dangerous and very I [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► every time there's a couple chapters [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► where we're in the stacks and every time [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► i'm reading about the stacks I feel like [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► I'm about to step on something with [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► tetanus and it [TS]

00:09:52 ◼   ► that's what I felt like in their heat [TS]

00:09:54 ◼   ► our main character has a place to sort [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► of hide away thats in this junkyard in [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► this old van that's like half crushed [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► and that's what I kept thinking was you [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► know the same the same idea of this [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► seems really really dangerous and [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► alternatively also reminded me of [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► anybody who ever read The Three [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► Investigators they had a trailer that [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► was buried in a junkyard which was [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► awesome I totally won i remember that i [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► decide you just activated a memory [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► achievement unlocked they had a [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► chauffeur that drove them everywhere all [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► the trailers are all stacked up there [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► the better to blow up my dear [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► yes true because what wouldn't be [TS]

00:10:30 ◼   ► complete with a giant evil corporation [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► blowing stuff up by topic like dominoes [TS]

00:10:35 ◼   ► in the movie adaptation just wait [TS]

00:10:37 ◼   ► they are so essentially yes oh so our [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► hero does manage to sort of be the first [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► one who unlocks it part of this this [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► mystery and he comes across up against [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► this major corporation that is as John [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► was talking about earlier that sort of [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► assembled all this raw talent to try and [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► you know cheat the system or less and [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► they essentially blow up his home with [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► his family for remote remains of his [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► family in it but that's okay because we [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► didn't really like them anyway we did [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► like the downstairs neighbor in that one [TS]

00:11:06 ◼   ► yeah we felt bad for her for about the [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► page and a half [TS]

00:11:09 ◼   ► that was a weird I mean even even the [TS]

00:11:11 ◼   ► thing with like the well the answer is [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► really awful the Anthony lives with is [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► really awful that's still it was such a [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► bizarre choice to be like I'm just gonna [TS]

00:11:21 ◼   ► kill these people often really no [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► conscious yet they went right from like [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► from future world video game into murder [TS]

00:11:28 ◼   ► like that transition was not smooth [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► I think that's still just pure geek [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► wish-fulfillment though because they [TS]

00:11:34 ◼   ► stole his computer wouldn't let him go [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► online so naturally they must die [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► I wish our corporation would blow to my [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► mom up about my trouble since Cinderella [TS]

00:11:46 ◼   ► would have done the same thing they took [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► her laptop that's always been so then we [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► enter into this strange period where our [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► character sort of goes on the run but [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► he's much more well outfitted now [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► because he's become this at least in the [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► virtual world the celebrity so he sold [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► himself out to sponsorships [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► I mean that sounds like the future to me [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► that that whole thing especially right [TS]

00:12:09 ◼   ► after he finds the first key and then he [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► gets the opportunity from the big giant [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► corporation to come join them and be [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► their head and he tells them to screw [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► off and then they blow up his trailer [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► and then go to survive he sells himself [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► to all kinds of companies and it just it [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► it felt a little i mean i understand why [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► it's necessary and context of the book [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► but it felt very much like yes I am I am [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► totally badass i'm going to be on a [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► sneaker company and a milk carton now [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► and I'm totally above light [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► I'm above retribution and I'm above you [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► know finger-pointing with it with a [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► sneaker company and the milk carton [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► different things because like milk [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► cartons because he's like missing and [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► it's not him it's his avatar and you [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► know you know and have a target never be [TS]

00:12:58 ◼   ► copied because there's no way to copy [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► the amount of the American avatar know [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► whatever do that would've been more [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► realistic they all agreed to pay him but [TS]

00:13:05 ◼   ► that is paypal account got frozen for [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► fraud and he was never get there we'll [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► get any money because he couldn't get [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► through human to do the resolution it's [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► also extremely convenient that the first [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► key that he goes looking for happens to [TS]

00:13:15 ◼   ► be on the only planet that he can [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► actually get to [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► justify that in my head I figured out [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► that naturally the keys would have to be [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► on a planet that holiday had created so [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► naturally it's not going to be on one of [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► these far-flung new plan well they did [TS]

00:13:30 ◼   ► they justified like crazy in the book [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► they were like kinda makes sense you see [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► because it's gonna be that's a near [TS]

00:13:35 ◼   ► school and have to be someplace because [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► you wanted two kids find it was a kid [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► like it they went they bent over [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► backwards to justify that was the least [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► of his first key it doesn't bother me [TS]

00:13:43 ◼   ► because again we are reading a book [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► where presumably things happen and for [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► the main character you know presumably [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► there's a reason why we're following [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► this kid so I can it's like charlie and [TS]

00:13:54 ◼   ► the chocolate factory right once to get [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► into the world of crazy solving puzzles [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► i have no problem with whatever deus ex [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► machina you want to invent so all right [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► he finds the key because it's the only [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► plan to visit great he lived he goes to [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► a perfect school because no one can [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► bully him because he's in virtual world [TS]

00:14:12 ◼   ► fine that that all works for me it's its [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► subsequent layers that where things [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► begin a little interesting interesting [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► is one way of putting it i think so did [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► it did anyone else find it like speaking [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► of the other keys it's not the first the [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► second or third key they made a lot of [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► especially the first key but even the [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► second one a lot of like all these these [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► experts especially the Sixers and [TS]

00:14:33 ◼   ► everything racking their brains trying [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► to figure out like they just can't get a [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► foothold they don't even know where to [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► begin they're just making not making any [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► progress every one of them if you knew [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► any part of the reference you're like oh [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► yeah I think that's probably the you [TS]

00:14:44 ◼   ► know something to do with the name of [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► the DNG module and you know i got the [TS]

00:14:48 ◼   ► first one the two before yeah [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► and-and-and suppose the second one again [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► I forgotten already [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► I think the second one was or yes the [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► second one also was like you know I'd [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► not that I'm saying I solved me that I [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► knew exactly what it was because he [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► couldn't there was enough information [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► that really but I I had an inkling I [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► knew what I know what references they [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► were making and how it manifests right [TS]

00:15:06 ◼   ► and it's hard to believe how hard to [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► believe that these super experts would [TS]

00:15:09 ◼   ► just be totally stumped and not know [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► where to go and be missing the obvious [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► well not just that but I mean you see [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► how many people you know today come up [TS]

00:15:16 ◼   ► with the you know tell in document every [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► possible little obscure thing in the [TS]

00:15:21 ◼   ► world right just type the closing to [TS]

00:15:23 ◼   ► google and he'll get how there's no [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► google in the future John yeah right [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► google [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► Scott there's only oasis I mean I work [TS]

00:15:32 ◼   ► at the company that makes dnd and i [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► still play text adventures so those [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► Clues didn't even read as close to me [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► was oh tomb of horrors [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► oh dork i know that's that's something [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► like that they're trying to balance it [TS]

00:15:43 ◼   ► when you're writing the book you don't [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► want it to be so obscure that the [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► average reader is gonna be like no human [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► could have gotten that but on the other [TS]

00:15:48 ◼   ► hand you don't have to be super easy and [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► I felt like if this book is aimed the [TS]

00:15:50 ◼   ► geeks every gig had some piece of [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► knowledge they're like well that seems [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► like it's going to be this thing it's [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► the thing that makes it hard to set up [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► right because the idea is supposed to be [TS]

00:16:00 ◼   ► bye-bye premise alone right [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► he's were locked into a world where [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► nobody has found this thing yet right so [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► I I think we're kind of stuck in that [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► regard so it's really hard to pass that [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► bar as the author and be like here's why [TS]

00:16:14 ◼   ► it's so hard you know in a brainteaser [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► fashion for everybody to have figured it [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► out maybe they should just put a lot of [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► guns around it or something it's kind of [TS]

00:16:23 ◼   ► like scripting comedy show right where [TS]

00:16:25 ◼   ► your show it like twice the joke why [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► studio 60 failed is that the comedy on [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► the behind-the-scenes comedy show wasn't [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► actually funny it's the same basic [TS]

00:16:34 ◼   ► principle we're all right i need these [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► clues to be hard but at the same time [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► they need to be brilliant and there's a [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► certain level where the clues are fun [TS]

00:16:43 ◼   ► but they're not they're not you know the [TS]

00:16:45 ◼   ► hardest cryptography or puzzle that I've [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► ever come across and that's maybe where [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► we run into trouble that's the danger [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► with using real information because had [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► had this all been synthetic you know [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► total fantasy world no relation to our [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► own then you can make very clever [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► puzzles you don't have to account for [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► you don't you don't have to account for [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► the varying levels of knowledge in the [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► reader because all your readers have [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► zero knowledge about your new world but [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► if it's like yeah that's what's our [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► world but I really now you're kind of [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► screwed but as it is I jump right past [TS]

00:17:14 ◼   ► our brilliant protagonist say Oh tomb of [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► horrors and then I get mad because to [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► move forward was actually reprinted in [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► different editions for 2nd edition D&D [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► and 3.5 with which version is it so what [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► you're saying is the books not geeky and [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► not to mention that likes of the rules [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► of Oasis are probably not you know [TS]

00:17:31 ◼   ► standard D&D rules if you're going to [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► open the door to super geeky stuff you [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► absolutely have to get it right you [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► better know it's going to come in [TS]

00:17:40 ◼   ► otherwise you're asking for this kind of [TS]

00:17:42 ◼   ► complaint it is true now I knew I was in [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► trouble with the first clue when I knew [TS]

00:17:47 ◼   ► the answer and I thought okay so he's [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► written this book about really geeky [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► things so that geeks like me will buy it [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► and then he wrote this clue so that [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► geeks like me could solve it easily so [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► we would feel special and he's pandering [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► to me and now I hate him [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► it's just a it's just a set of dominoes [TS]

00:18:06 ◼   ► not going over right there it's true and [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► then I I didn't like the book from them [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► because every reference I thought more [TS]

00:18:14 ◼   ► pandering I hate this guy but I think [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► Jason made this a comment and I'll often [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► for him he was like the pandering it's [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► it annoyed me to the same reasons and [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► Scott but the thing about it is and I [TS]

00:18:26 ◼   ► didn't think this would happen to me but [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► it did like three quarters with a bucket [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► like an hour and reference reference [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► reference reference reference what [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► they're trying to do is like the night [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► and when you see an interesting [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► references like oh wow you know I didn't [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► think anyone knew their reverence with [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► me but these were so common like who [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► doesn't know all these things like first [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► bueller's day off thats obscure right [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► our John Hughes movies or whatever herbs [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► here in the dark future jail [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► well you know i know they didn't talk [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► about pandering to the readers but then [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► finally towards the end he threw in a [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► reference in like hey I didn't think [TS]

00:18:55 ◼   ► other people knew about that like he got [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► me with one out and soon as i read my [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► damn you know 8950 references later one [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► of them finally lands that I don't [TS]

00:19:06 ◼   ► discount the rest of you Father and [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► right into my trap and it was a it was [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► black tiger the arcade game that I [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► played way too much of that very few [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► other people at least in my group of [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► friends even knew the game existed miss [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► this game only existed in the lobby [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► outside modells it wasn't even in it [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► wasn't even that in the actual video [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► okay that I used to go to go to Modell's [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► just play black tiger as you can see i [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► enjoyed having a barrage of references [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► all things that i love and then I got [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► mad when i got to the chapter about rush [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► because i don't like ride [TS]

00:19:39 ◼   ► I don't recognize this at all something [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► went wrong with my book [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► yes and then he plays an interlude on a [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► different if you had an older brother [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► who was born in 10 years earlier than [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► you you know if you shake the book a few [TS]

00:19:53 ◼   ► times this little shuffle it up for you [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► get sticks why wasn't it dr. Demento [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► song definite you know I agree with [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► Monty I i mean i have my criticisms of [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► the book and I have places like one [TS]

00:20:07 ◼   ► looking back on it I'm like a but the [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► first I want to say the first love the [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► books broken up into levels the first [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► level i could not stop grinning because [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► as absurd as it was and all of the [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► references and although so it's [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► post-apocalyptic world and there and yet [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► they can all play this crazy video game [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► in and final time into it [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► all that aside it's really fun [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► it's it's the kind of book where you [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► don't have to concentrate a whole lot to [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► figure out what's going on so you can [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► bring it really fast and just be like oh [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► yeah playing video games i feel like i'm [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► 12 again and that kind of highest kinda [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► is fun it's not necessarily world [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► literature but it was still a lot of [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► know or you could just play a video game [TS]

00:20:54 ◼   ► I wanted to say something about one of [TS]

00:20:56 ◼   ► the parts of the book that I actually [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► kind of liked which is so about midway [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► through are our hero has removed himself [TS]

00:21:02 ◼   ► to its cleveland right [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► yes yeah mm-hmm this is how you can tell [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► this book is fiction because cleveland [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► is important well it was known as a [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► holidays hometown that's why it wasn't [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► there yes yes yeah well that's that's [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► where their company that's where they [TS]

00:21:17 ◼   ► help the company and that's where he [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► goes so we can power and is good [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► internet good internet yeah that's how [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► you know he's not just Lord British and [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► so he realizes at a certain point that [TS]

00:21:30 ◼   ► he's going to be sort of stymied unless [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► he can get in [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► inside this corporation that is that is [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► his main antagonist and so he sets up [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► kind of up you know a scenario in which [TS]

00:21:42 ◼   ► he ends up having to infiltrate them [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► from the inside and get some information [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► and get out and I kind of found that to [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► be that might have been my [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► my top five favorite part of the book [TS]

00:21:54 ◼   ► with that I i really enjoyed those [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► scenes that were you know because i felt [TS]

00:21:59 ◼   ► like it took a little bit of a leap from [TS]

00:22:01 ◼   ► the you know we were outside of the the [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► game and we get a little more picture of [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► this world that he lives in and [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► particularly this this company and I [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► thought that was really interesting [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► I was just gonna say it reminds me of a [TS]

00:22:13 ◼   ► terry gilliam's Brazil yes where you [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► know they knocked on the door and take [TS]

00:22:18 ◼   ► away because he is out of he's bankrupt [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► or something and that he needs to enter [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► into indentured servitude so he can [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► repay his debt to his corporation and [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► then he uses his mad hacker skills to [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► figure out what's going on [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► I love the idea by the way of indentured [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► servitude due to credit card debt and [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► I'm surprised that no major credit card [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► corporation has figured out a way to do [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► it yes this is not a political podcast [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► no politics now I'm just amused by the [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► idea as in science fiction book know as [TS]

00:22:52 ◼   ► a science which ensure i mean you know [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► it's not necessarily particularly [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► original and so on right either but a it [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► at least that was the part of which I [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► felt from a plot perspective I actually [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► felt there was some tension in this book [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► well yeah because I mean you have him [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► throwing basically throwing himself into [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► a really sketchy situation whereas [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► before it's like oh my virtual [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► characters at stake but that's okay [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► because I'm locked in this high tech [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► room where everybody brings me my food [TS]

00:23:18 ◼   ► and I have a virtual butler to make sure [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► that i'm running and fit never used it [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► really buff now [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► yeah they're nerd fantasy right finally [TS]

00:23:26 ◼   ► they'll find a fun way to get fit in in [TS]

00:23:28 ◼   ► that world it's really it's very sterile [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► and you and you do you step away from [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► the game world so you're not being [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► bashed with references every 10 minutes [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► and I feel like it actually gives [TS]

00:23:38 ◼   ► earnest clients writing a bit of a [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► chance to breathe it's you know you're [TS]

00:23:43 ◼   ► you're playing with actual plot [TS]

00:23:45 ◼   ► developments here not just I missed a [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► couple of references on top of each [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► other and try and morph it into oh we're [TS]

00:23:52 ◼   ► going forward he didn't necessarily have [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► the crutch to lean on of the game and [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► all the the 0 Maj but and like I said I [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► felt like there was actually some [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► tension here as opposed to like run was [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► saying in in the game world where it [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► seems like [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► is the the what's at stake feels very [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► vague in some way so if the bad guys get [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► this will suck because they'll take over [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► the game and I make everybody pay for it [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► and capitalism is bad it's very very [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► confusing what's at stake for about a [TS]

00:24:22 ◼   ► hundred pages his life's in danger until [TS]

00:24:24 ◼   ► the literal deus ex machina other [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► founder of the company shows up and says [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► you can all come to my super secure [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► fortress [TS]

00:24:32 ◼   ► it'll be fine hey guys its cool fly on [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► my private too [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► did anyone else picture him as he was [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► the okay good thank you thank you [TS]

00:24:40 ◼   ► because that's exactly what I imagined i [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► read this book right after Steve Jobs [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► died it was impossible not to think of [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► that well let's let's a detour first [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► going to talk about some of the other [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► characters in the book since you brought [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► up the great and powerful log but we we [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► do have you know the character Wade is [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► not easy he's got a couple friends who [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► are helping out with this we have h [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► who's his sort of only friend [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► great you know is supposed to be his [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► sort of kindred spirit and then we have [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► Artemis was another hunter who is a a [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► basically our love interest they don't [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► get much more three dimensional that and [TS]

00:25:26 ◼   ► that is about all those two japanese [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► guys is actually kinda like I actually [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► kind of like those guys even if they are [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► kind of ridiculous and stereotypical I [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► thought the interesting part of these [TS]

00:25:37 ◼   ► other two hunters Amy to he assumes are [TS]

00:25:39 ◼   ► brothers for the longest time of these [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► two japanese hunters and I think you [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► know I guess I was more interested when [TS]

00:25:47 ◼   ► I found out like more about them you [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► know the people who are playing their [TS]

00:25:52 ◼   ► characters when that twister comes up [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► later in the book that these two people [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► had like never met in real life despite [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► going around basically pretending to be [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► brothers and this online world it that [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► was more of an interesting dynamic to me [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► but you know we don't spend a lot of [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► time with them because they're kind of [TS]

00:26:09 ◼   ► secondary did you guys have like it was [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► there any characters that you felt that [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► we were particularly liked or felt were [TS]

00:26:15 ◼   ► well thought-out and well-drawn I like [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► startimus before she got introduced as [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► the love interest when she's talked [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► about more as oh there's this really [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► badass girl who is right you know who is [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► writing all about this in her in her web [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► blog and keeping updates and and so [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► she's great until she cums on screen [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► until when she comes on screen then it [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► becomes I mean I don't get me wrong I [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► enjoy coming some of the banter between [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► her and the lead character and and she [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► has a couple of nice moments but once it [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► gets into the no we can't be together [TS]

00:26:48 ◼   ► because what if we what if we don't find [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► it before the Sixers do it's our oh I'm [TS]

00:26:56 ◼   ► not as pretty and realize you don't know [TS]

00:26:58 ◼   ► what i look like and what what's the [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► reality she's exactly is pretty issues [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► in real life she just has a scar or some [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► kind of like birthday yeah birthmark but [TS]

00:27:07 ◼   ► still those those are hideous [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► yes yeah i think with was it that with h [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► AI right kind of story that was going [TS]

00:27:16 ◼   ► but I felt there was even a bigger cheat [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► too just like it it's just I where I [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► thought it was going to go on it was [TS]

00:27:23 ◼   ► gonna be like well that she's real is as [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► a girl obviously and it seems logically [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► logical that should be in love with the [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► main character but I don't know we don't [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► want to have that kind of conflict so [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► let's just make her lesbian [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► it's like you dodged that bullet [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► well and they they kind of they kind of [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► sock away any chance of actually making [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► that interesting if you know if they [TS]

00:27:44 ◼   ► were actually wanted to make a one [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► triangle with her an artifact bigger the [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► inmate would make perfect sense that [TS]

00:27:49 ◼   ► should be a girl masquerading as a guy [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► to you know be friends with this person [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► but that she would be you know that it [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► would be a triangle situation but not [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► United interest she just bout just past [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► the newbie don't wanna i unduly burden [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► weighed with any sophisticated [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► complicated emotional situations [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► well let's be fair we don't wanna we [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► don't want to love triangle in this book [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► anyway I we're talking about please [TS]

00:28:10 ◼   ► assist the silly infatuation triangle [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► whatever I still say Artemis has more [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► dimension than most of the female [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► characters in The Wise Man's Fear [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► because she does have skills of her own [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► she's cheap she makes choices on her are [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► you socially disengages for silly [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► romantic reasons it's because she wants [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► to more or less concentrated on her work [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► which is [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► noble I'm sorry honey I have to [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► concentrate on my blog [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► well you know i just showed she's not [TS]

00:28:36 ◼   ► just like a no I'm not sick and I shan't [TS]

00:28:38 ◼   ► Emma center and she's like I've got work [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► to do she's not she's not pine and she [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► and she does stuff on her own she didn't [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► need to be rescued in the NHL she finds [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► the second key before anybody else know [TS]

00:28:48 ◼   ► mhm no I mean they're they're definitely [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► things about her character that I like I [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► the interaction between the two main [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► characters just kind of like yeah but [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► she has she has good qualities [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► h-has interesting qualities even though [TS]

00:29:01 ◼   ► we they're all they're all very tertiary [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► if the problem is is you you get these [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► hints that these characters could [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► actually be really really interesting [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► but because the book is so very Wade [TS]

00:29:12 ◼   ► focused you don't get much more than [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:29:14 ◼   ► well we're in his head so you like that [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► regard we are sort of walked into him [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► what about the the antagonists who the [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► Sixers cardboard cutout uh so [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► two-dimensional nothing going on but [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► it's not literally [TS]

00:29:29 ◼   ► yeah it's come on their the evil [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► corporation and what did they do to show [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► their evil they blow up a stack of [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► trailers and they cheat in a game and [TS]

00:29:38 ◼   ► they do everything possible to win [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► unfairly Bob ya ever so not today all [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► dress alike they have caring avatars [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► it's true that's just offensive from [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► this you know purely aesthetic you know [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► they're evil their Stormtroopers they [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► are ya era counts man you just don't [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► know you don't know where that accounts [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► been anything that's unsanitary true [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► they have a starship so don't think [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► writing so that's kind of cool end up [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► planning they like a rude everybody gets [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► a robot later on which is pretty awesome [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► and so there are benefits to be evil but [TS]

00:30:12 ◼   ► I wondered about the today or else what [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► about the intellectual property is yes I [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► was just going to say well that was [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► exciting but there's obviously a movie [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► adaptation of this coming and this is [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► gonna be a nightmare from licensing [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► perspective I think they'll just have [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► everything from one property rights to [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► do and I love you can keep making a [TS]

00:30:31 ◼   ► movie yeah i don't know like GE and NBC [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► owned enough things that surely you can [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► just that's not our wizards of the coast [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► not yet i mean you can write you can [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► write a decent amount off on parody but [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► that being said it's something its [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► entirety when you're mouthing the words [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► to Ferris Bueller it's not happening [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► yeah that's seen it's gonna be hard to [TS]

00:30:56 ◼   ► do but because we're gonna have to watch [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► the entirety of Ferris Bueller inside [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► its entirety of ready player one this [TS]

00:31:03 ◼   ► movie's gonna be like eight hours long [TS]

00:31:05 ◼   ► they do have that as a game now on [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► connect it's just I just a scene and [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► apparently it's really annoying to play [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► more than once but I wondered how this [TS]

00:31:13 ◼   ► actually worked in the world of the game [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► because they have all these like they [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► have the spaceships from like Firefly [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► and Star Wars and Star Trek and it's [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► like oh yeah intellectual property [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► seized to exist for the same [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► inexplicable reasons that all other [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► values that we have today or disappeared [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► once they ran out of gasoline [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► I mean look at look at the mud that [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► popped up in the eighties and the [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► brushes I mean no one had the rights to [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► create a star wars much for a cowboy [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► bebop yes but that was text but I'm [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► still saying it's the same its well but [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► this this game is free to play this is [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► this is a world-spanning right but it's [TS]

00:31:48 ◼   ► the world it's the world but branching [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► out of our world right look at city of [TS]

00:31:52 ◼   ► heroes [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► you can't even have a character named [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► wolf are keen but doesn't he mentioned [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► in the book that so everyone gets an [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► oasis free oasis account right and then [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► you your avatars kind of playing and you [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► have to pay to get other cool stuff so [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► one imagines if everyone in the world is [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► playing oasis all these companies would [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► license their property so that you know [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► players could buy you know you know an [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► enterprise for you know whatever a [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► hundred bucks and then paramount get a [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► hundred dollars or you know probably [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► thirty percent or whatever would be so [TS]

00:32:29 ◼   ► kind of I mean I don't know if he went [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► into that detail in his head but i will [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► assume he did and that is how it [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► explains all of those things in the [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► oasis [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► I guess it's just a good thing that [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► everyone of holidays childhood [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► obsessions was owned by somebody who is [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► willing to sign a license fee to this [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► exactly i also thought it was strange [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► that the most powerful person you know [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► that we have this character holiday and [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► I also thought it was weird that his his [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► character in the game is named after [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► like a jacket yeah and in some ways this [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► whole week when I mean everything about [TS]

00:33:04 ◼   ► this book is is basically a trope right [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► like the plot the characters and the [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► amaj and I guess you know it seems like [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► it's one of those situations that should [TS]

00:33:15 ◼   ► be a perfect storm of things that people [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► like and yet it doesn't quite seem to [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► succeed just community it doesn't have [TS]

00:33:24 ◼   ► that one thing that people like which is [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► a story is a story that keeps them [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► guessing and I mean like with fine [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► pandered to whatever but you want to you [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► want to be kept like I'm i was going [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► through the story but it was just you [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► just saw where was going in there wasn't [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► much surprised that's why the pacman [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► steam so it out so much because there [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► was so little in this thing that you [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► knew kind of like in a movie that you [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► know anything they show you it's like a [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► wall you know that's gonna be [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► significant is probably gonna save them [TS]

00:33:50 ◼   ► in the end and because no one else is [TS]

00:33:51 ◼   ► doing it like there wasn't enough stuff [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► for you because it like a good mystery [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► even a short little mystery although I [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► mean enough stuff going on that you can [TS]

00:33:58 ◼   ► immediately pick out a hobby when that [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► guy came into the room put that thing [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► down that was important because so much [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► other stuff happens in the story and you [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► wrapped up in the people in this thing [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► it was just everything was just poking [TS]

00:34:07 ◼   ► up out of the the ground really tall [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► like here's this tower which is this [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► plot point this power which is this plot [TS]

00:34:12 ◼   ► point and it wasn't any meat on the [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► bones you know you can't blame part of [TS]

00:34:16 ◼   ► that on again [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► ernest cline being a screenwriter first [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► and foremost but I think also it reflect [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► its kind of a microcosm of the eighties [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► culture that represents because I feel [TS]

00:34:25 ◼   ► reading the book I feel like it's going [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► and watching like an eighties movie and [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► it's necessary you know watching war [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► games where war games isn't higher and a [TS]

00:34:35 ◼   ► lot of its predictable but it's still [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► careful careful youyou've anger John [TS]

00:34:39 ◼   ► siracusa hear you [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► hey war games is one of my favorite [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► eighties movies it's a it's a two-hour [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► movie you know it's it like this yes is [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► a much longer than a screenplay but [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► isn't much of it is a much longer book [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► but i'd say it reads it reads like a [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► two-hour movie for better or for well [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► that's because it is a two hour [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► will be and it's you know it's not the [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► film has already been options so it's [TS]

00:35:02 ◼   ► clear that he broke this and he is a [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► screenwriter right so he wrote a screen [TS]

00:35:06 ◼   ► play in book form and now it's going to [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► be a movie and the movie is going to [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► know and maybe even more so just out of [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► curiosity debut seen fanboys yes i have [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► some stories just to share of fanboys [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► please Marty okay actually I want to [TS]

00:35:20 ◼   ► tell a quick story about Ernie clients [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► first screenplay which was a fan written [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► script for the theoretical buckaroo [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► banzai against the world crime Lee ok so [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► this is not his first half at writing [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► something full of fan references [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► somewhere in the early nineties he got [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► impatient because buckaroo banzai is a [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► great movie and it claimed to have a [TS]

00:35:41 ◼   ► sequel and it wasn't happening so he [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► wrote one that kind of mash it together [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► with big trouble in little china as you [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► do and it's pretty fun I actually [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► contacted them back then emailed him and [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► told him I liked it [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► a friend of mine did too and he put her [TS]

00:35:56 ◼   ► hong kong couple your character into his [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► script but not you [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► now not you I'm sorry much he didn't [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► like my uncle your character as much i [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► maintain the name platinum cowboy is [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► totally buckaroo banzai appropriate [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► anyway for fanboys I don't know if [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► people know this but the basic plot of [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► fanboys is that people want to go see [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► the phantom menace before it comes out [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► because that's when people thought [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► Phantom Menace was going to be a good [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► movie [TS]

00:36:25 ◼   ► so these band of geeks getting a van [TS]

00:36:27 ◼   ► they go cross-country and they break [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► into Lucasfilm and I think they get [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► caught and they see the movie what's [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► weird is that the movie as made cuts out [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► an essential plot element which is that [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► one of them is dying of cancer [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► yeah I've heard the story at us well and [TS]

00:36:43 ◼   ► that's that was actually that actually [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► is [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► I i would call that being in the version [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► that i saw i thought they put that back [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► i thought he basically held out until [TS]

00:36:51 ◼   ► they put it back in because it was it [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► was a big deal like i remember them [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► going back and forth about like whether [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► or not to take out this plot because i [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► remember seeing it with some friends and [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► like saying like telling the Masters [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► like oh yeah they wanted to cut that [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► whole thing out there like that makes no [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► sense without like the movie has no plot [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► without without that but when i saw it [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► didn't have that in [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► I may have to go back and watch it again [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► as the version i saw was just people [TS]

00:37:15 ◼   ► decide to go break in and see the movie [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► a week early for no reason which seemed [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► odd [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► yeah which is which is a week a week 1 [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► this little bit anyway what's especially [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► odd about the movie is that these sound [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► was done by THX sound so Ernie actually [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► got to go to Skywalker Ranch where THX [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► sound is located in a giant barn and he [TS]

00:37:38 ◼   ► was walked very carefully because [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► apparently somebody who's written a [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► script about people breaking into [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► Lucasfilm is not entirely trusted while [TS]

00:37:45 ◼   ► walking around loose on Skywalker Ranch [TS]

00:37:47 ◼   ► I'm going to call his star wars [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► credentials into question that always [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► the events section where he talked about [TS]

00:37:53 ◼   ► that he had gone through all the Holy [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► trilogy with Lord of the Rings the [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► matrix and stuff like that all the one [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► of the ones listed with Star Wars and he [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► says you're supposed to watch the [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► original and prequel trilogy in that [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► order and the fact that he telling you [TS]

00:38:04 ◼   ► to watch the prequels at all [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► Matt right now now I i actually just [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► consult wikipedia tour by myself and i [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► did now i recall this so basically the [TS]

00:38:16 ◼   ► director [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► they took my cancer story line out and [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► then before they released it they gave [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► the director 36 hours to react it back [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► in which he did and it was released with [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► that in a release there was a release [TS]

00:38:32 ◼   ► with it [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► oh my it was it's it's not it's it's [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► actually a pretty good movie I i would I [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► thought it's pretty entertaining I mean [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► clearly it's from a guy's huge stars [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► heard it also has one of the best ending [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► lines of any movie so I each clearly [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► this is you know he this is a guy with a [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► lot of appreciation for for pop culture [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► I guess what get stabbed me in the end [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► is the the curiosity of whether he has [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► anything sort of his own to say because [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► I feel like everything he does [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► piggybacks on this and if you strip away [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► all those so much like another another [TS]

00:39:07 ◼   ► series III really love that that is big [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► on the lodges is spaced which is a show [TS]

00:39:13 ◼   ► that it is a sitcom which is slightly [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► different but there's a lot of a margin [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► there but it it somehow is only adds to [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► its in service of its own story that's [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► telling about people [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► I I mean there's there's if you clip [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► that out it would the story would still [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► hold on that's more like it's part of [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► the character of a space use references [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► the same way like regular people like us [TS]

00:39:34 ◼   ► to use references and then it's part of [TS]

00:39:36 ◼   ► our life but it doesn't define our [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► flyers you know it will be older and [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► used them to illuminate a situation you [TS]

00:39:42 ◼   ► find yourself in the situation itself is [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► not directly related to some sort of [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► fire pop culture thing you know I guess [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► what i like about Ernest Cline is that I [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► believe his obsessions are sincerely [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► felt it's not like he went IMDb and said [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► I'm going to make reference to the top [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► five science fiction movies I are you [TS]

00:40:02 ◼   ► sure about that because that's one of [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► the that's one of my complaints like I [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► have some of them i can say are [TS]

00:40:06 ◼   ► sincerely felt but in one particular [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► aspect which is very essential to this [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► book had me questioning whether he [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► actually plays modern video games and [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► the most in particular I think it's easy [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► to like pac-man fine we all this not you [TS]

00:40:20 ◼   ► don't need to be like into pacman to [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► understand the concept of the perfect [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► game and stuff like that but the way his [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► game world works makes me think and the [TS]

00:40:28 ◼   ► way he describes technology in general [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► makes like is maybe he's not like maybe [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► he doesn't play modern video games maybe [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► he's not really that into technology you [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► know well yeah I think his future world [TS]

00:40:37 ◼   ► is not so much based on a logical [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► expansion of mmos so much as reading [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► snow crash I did the things he didn't [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► put it's far enough in the future you [TS]

00:40:48 ◼   ► know I had like I have a whole bunch of [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► the whole list of quibbles and notes [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► maybe i'll save them for the end more in [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► style but a lot of the stuff in the book [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► easy made me think that just gave me [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► hints that like if you set your thing [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► really far in the future i'll give it to [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► compare with another sci-fi author who i [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► like but who just makes up ridiculous [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► like vintage vintage make his technology [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► of engine makes up to just nonsensical [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► but it's so far in the future and so [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► distant we have that as long as a sort [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► of internally consistent you go along [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► with it and i found vintage stuff more [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► believable than this even though this [TS]

00:41:21 ◼   ► was like ninety-eight percent the same [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► as our technology just you know a little [TS]

00:41:25 ◼   ► bit extrapolated but then he messes it [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► up i think the problem is if you set [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► this book 200 years in the future [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► you've got people living in a weird [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► cargo cult obsessively redoing things [TS]

00:41:35 ◼   ► from [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► really long will you joke about [TS]

00:41:38 ◼   ► everybody's remaking movies over and [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► over and over again and soon we won't [TS]

00:41:42 ◼   ► have any movies left to remake I feel [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► like yeah that runs out after about 40 [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► or 50 years [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► well I think that be an interesting book [TS]

00:41:49 ◼   ► do that but it rate over that for a [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► thousand years and showed me that book [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► is habits have been less recognizable [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► but then eventually realize way i figure [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► i see what's going on here there you [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► know this is what John Hughes movies are [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► like in the future you mentioned the [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► cargo cultures may be compared this even [TS]

00:42:07 ◼   ► more to snow crash [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► yeah which I which i think is you know [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► obviously one of the sort of seminal [TS]

00:42:14 ◼   ► metaverse style you know pieces and I I [TS]

00:42:19 ◼   ► feel like it kept crashing up against [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► this in some ways and yet at no crashes [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► for me on arguably a better book but it [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► doesn't quite have the same links into [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► popular culture i guess but i guess [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► maybe they're also just very different [TS]

00:42:33 ◼   ► things [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► did you have any of you guys find [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► anything in particular that you felt [TS]

00:42:36 ◼   ► like stood out from this is a book [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► because I heard that was talking to a [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► friend about ready player one the other [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► day and he said you know there's been a [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► lot of people saying that this is you [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► know this is a nerd classic and we [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► should replace you know [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► ender's game with ready player one and i [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► just both of us were sitting there going [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► how working do you think this book will [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► last is that backlash against orson [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► scott card now [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► well I mean and that's one thing like [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► you know that's a whole separate issue [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► but i think i would say ender's game is [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► a vastly better book than this I me and [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► it's just [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► or perhaps that is suggested by people [TS]

00:43:11 ◼   ► who have not read ender's game and this [TS]

00:43:13 ◼   ► is the only science fiction book they [TS]

00:43:15 ◼   ► have ever read what i like is this a [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► game is this a game is a book and this [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► is a game specifically a real and it's [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► hardly has a book that has any longevity [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► to it or you know now this book has an [TS]

00:43:27 ◼   ► expired eight and it is like six months [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► ago [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► yeah I feel like it has to be read by [TS]

00:43:31 ◼   ► somebody exactly my age with exactly my [TS]

00:43:34 ◼   ► background somebody 10 years younger [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► isn't gonna care about half of it [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► I mean speaking as the 10 years younger [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► contingent you're probably more than [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► that I think I have to interrupt this in [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► every show you know [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► no I only because you all make me [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► speaking as someone who's young and hip [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► this is jive turkeys it's something that [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► I was kind of considering was reading [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► the book and then also afterwards I for [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► some reason after i finished reading and [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► I was contemplating the idea of a [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► language built up entirely of pop [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► culture references because i feel like [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► and not to go all high and mighty [TS]

00:44:08 ◼   ► judging society here but why not do it [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► go take it society we're about 50 [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► minutes in the podcast so decide no [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► younger younger children I kind of feel [TS]

00:44:19 ◼   ► like on the whole a lot of the big [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► things in the the big important stuff [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► that were into is all it's all older [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► culture like it's cool and hip for a 13 [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► or 14 year-old to like nineteen eighties [TS]

00:44:33 ◼   ► movies right now it's cool and hip to [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► dress in 1980 styles [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► there's not really a defining you know [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► dammit only missed it by 25 years [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► yeah i was so close so close but it's [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► it's strange and what the people who are [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► saying ready player one is going to be a [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► seminal classic I kind of wonder if [TS]

00:44:56 ◼   ► that's not based on the the trend of [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► culture right now which is basically [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► regurgitating old things [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► well what goes in cycles i remember [TS]

00:45:05 ◼   ► american graffiti was not released in [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► the time when people were dressing like [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► that but there was a nostalgia for that [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► period and there was kind of that that [TS]

00:45:12 ◼   ► craze of bringing back that thing but [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► that you know that past you know did we [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► ever bring back the sixties and we [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► brought back the fifties for a long time [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► still do that you get the fifties diner [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► sixties totally I mean you know i think [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► when i was growing up in like the [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► nineties when I was a teenager like [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► there were a lot of people were very [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► into the hippie culture that was clearly [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► a big part of the 60 silent mode when I [TS]

00:45:31 ◼   ► grew up in the eighties you know I [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► listen to the beatles a lot when I was a [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► little kid and you know i think that at [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► that point you know that band had been [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► broken up for over a decade [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► so you know we always look back to the [TS]

00:45:42 ◼   ► but the Beatles it's the Beatles is a [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► good example something like long-lasting [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► that will go on for a long long time [TS]

00:45:47 ◼   ► because it was like you know the first [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► big important rock band stuff like that [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► but this is not the first big important [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► scifi books on the first big important [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► five book involving video games it's not [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► the principles first of anything early [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► well its most emphatically not the [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► first of anything that's the whole [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► planet and it's not even the first like [TS]

00:46:02 ◼   ► iteration on pop culture it's not for me [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► it's not even the first meta meta [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► science fiction now so I don't think [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► it's not sticking around to me know [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► yeah and if it is we will hunt it down [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► and kill it [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► it's a fun but i still liked it [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► oh alright so we have Monty and Ashley [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► on the side of its it's a fun book those [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► are both me you have Scott and John on [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► the side of the angels I mean on the [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► side of its terrible and i would [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► probably lean towards that side but I [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► mean I enter i enjoyed parts of it i [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► don't want to wipe it entirely from my [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► brain I guess which is which is a win [TS]

00:46:38 ◼   ► for a brother that was fun to read it [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► but I you so I read it [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► my uh well I turned against the author [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► partway through which is not good but [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► you chained up in your basement here I [TS]

00:46:51 ◼   ► don't have a basement so I killed him [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► the no place to put I I came through so [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► I would you know the height on this book [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► was like oh my god this is going to you [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► know redefine the field of science [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► fiction and you have to read this book [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► because it's gonna be super great so I [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► was like all right i'll read this book [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► it's gonna be super great those are all [TS]

00:47:09 ◼   ► people who have never played video games [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► are saying that apparently i wish i had [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► the copy I have which I got out of the [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► library because i read the if you read [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► the back the quotes they had on the back [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► I no quotes are the blurbs are terrible [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► because they're always you know people [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► pimping stuff but I went down the list [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► of the people like these are people i [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► really like and respect in these are [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► good people but they're all that [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► guarantee you they're all old [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► some of them are in that module here is [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► a list of names I have the book right no [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► thank you [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► top charlaine harris author of the [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► sookie stackhouse series although our [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► don't play video games i was there was a [TS]

00:47:44 ◼   ► older girls but I want to offend anybody [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► who ever to terry brooks author of these [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► genera series [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► nevermind i think back everything I said [TS]

00:47:52 ◼   ► operating now later on the ground [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► skullsy and patrick rothfuss yeah like [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► scalzi and I like rafas with but it's [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► weird that I mean scholars and brothels [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► like getting your friends though too [TS]

00:48:04 ◼   ► today bloggers book I mean it's like [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► it's like marketing that's like I mean [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► yeah those that's your crowd right like [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► your you figure this cross-promotional [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► marketing is my secret i guess that's [TS]

00:48:14 ◼   ► neither here nor there but it was I like [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► like Scott was saying about it being [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► hyped up was like wow that sounds pretty [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► cool and like the idea of it sounds cool [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► enough but yeah found the execution did [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► did fall kind of analyze and speaking of [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► execution of like some1 people [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► especially people on the show like Monty [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► or glad or whatever say they're like one [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► or two or three degrees separated from [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► the people who actually wrote the book [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► I've I start to feel bad about saying [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► bad things about them about the people [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► who wrote the book is like I don't want [TS]

00:48:40 ◼   ► to hurt people's feelings [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► wo you know Jason is best friend with [TS]

00:48:44 ◼   ► best friends with val kilmer oh and I'm [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► i find myself like censoring myself one [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► of the things i had in my notes here and [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► like and upsetting myself in this first [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► several reasons but i think i should [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► just say it and go against my better [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► instincts here was 12 it well i'll start [TS]

00:48:58 ◼   ► with our meetings this the central [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► question to me when I'm reading this [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► book at all [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► I've already like turn the Scott corner [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► and I'm like against it and you know I'm [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► fuming about various things for the [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► central question but I don't know if I [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► want that to be called the Scott move it [TS]

00:49:12 ◼   ► is a good corner he's got your name and [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► printed in the cement is is this book [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► supposed to be written at like it was [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► written by a teenage boy like it's his [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► journal or is it just supposed to be a [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► book from the perspective of a teenage [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► boy but written by professional writers [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► and I'm saying is when i read it reads [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► like if I was 13 years old and started [TS]

00:49:33 ◼   ► my little salt and pepper notebook to [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► write myself a novel about an idea of [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► this world and that sounds awful but but [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► like but then I stopped my supposed to [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► wait a second know what he's a [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► professional author like I maybe I don't [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► really know much about this guy maybe [TS]

00:49:45 ◼   ► he's trying to write it like it's that [TS]

00:49:48 ◼   ► thirteen-year-old busy really does read [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► like Wade the character in the book [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► wrote this book so what do you guys [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► think is it mi is he a genius and it's [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► supposed to written that way or is he [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► just a terrible writer don't give him [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► that is it's very much in Wade's voice [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► you can't deny that it's in in the 18 [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► year olds voice and they were in his [TS]

00:50:10 ◼   ► head [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► I think it I think it reads very much [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► like a screenwriter tried to write a [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► novel it's supposed to appeal to the [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► thirteen-year-old Deacon all of us [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► the question about it being written by [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► like Walt it's it's as if it's written [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► by weight is ok then can i write a book [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► that looks like a book written by [TS]

00:50:26 ◼   ► someone who has no idea how to write [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► fiction because i can write that book [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► right now because I have no idea how to [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► write fiction and when they say this is [TS]

00:50:32 ◼   ► a horrible box and no no you don't [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► understand its it's from the perspective [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► like this it's you know its first person [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► is from the perspective of a character [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► and the character in the book doesn't [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► know how to write fiction so this is his [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► journal and that's why i'd make all the [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► same mistakes that have you known him [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► saying I'm going crazy reading this book [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► Thinking is horrible writer i am I going [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► crazy [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► if you can do that and simultaneously [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► tell a good story than yes PG Woodhouse [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► created Bertie Wooster who's an idiot [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► but birdie as a protagonist and as the [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► narrator still manages to somehow convey [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► a complicated story that's what's it [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► like yeah they're there are books like [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► that where there will be written you [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► know its first person and the character [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► tells you everything and it's in the [TS]

00:51:12 ◼   ► voice of the character but the thing [TS]

00:51:14 ◼   ► that burns about this is that Bernie [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► doesn't come across as a if there's a [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► difference between the weights rewrite [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► it's not as if this comes across like [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► bad like not quite dramatically bad [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► writing because it's an automatically [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► bed but like the point of it's very it's [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► very simplistic writing like a lot of [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► sentences are like he did this and then [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► he did this I i pulled out i pulled out [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► a couple examples here okay so this is [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► all right so let's start with this one [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► this move was a shut your hole penis [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► ville IROC replied using his favorite [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► mispronunciation of my avatars name [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► using his favorite mispronunciation my [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► avatars name you don't write that like [TS]

00:51:51 ◼   ► you don't you don't expect we understand [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► that his name is possible you have the [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► guy say panvel you know it it's you [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► don't put confident it's your show not [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► it's your show Yeah right and you know [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► what what a pumpernickel this was a game [TS]

00:52:05 ◼   ► we played always called him by some [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► random h named Harry Hubert Hogan Knows [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► you Bob we will get if you just keep [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► calling major his name is H in the game [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► we're not idiots like but that's what [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► you would write if you were like if [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► you're 13 years old because you wanted [TS]

00:52:17 ◼   ► right out the part that says see how [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► clever it is i thought that they should [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► always be called my agent you know and [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► that stuff is what a kid would write in [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► his little notebook when he's writing a [TS]

00:52:27 ◼   ► story but it's not what Wade would think [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► you know it's [TS]

00:52:30 ◼   ► it's I don't know if I Drive myself [TS]

00:52:32 ◼   ► crazy when he would think but it's yeah [TS]

00:52:34 ◼   ► it's not something that should actually [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► be in the box yeah well it's something [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► you think when you're not feet because [TS]

00:52:39 ◼   ► when you think you don't filter your [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► thoughts right like they just all happen [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► whereas when you're writing stuff down [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► your choosing right and that's what [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► makes it either a good writer better and [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► and the worst the worst thought I had [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► which is that when I reading this was [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► especially after I like all the reviews [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► it and all the things you're talking [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► about everyone saying this is the [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► greatest book ever and stuff like that [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► I i would I thought to myself and this [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► is not true but i actually have this [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► thought that I could write something [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► like this this is famous guys getting [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► famous i could write this which is not [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► true I totally cannot write i cannot [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► even right you know not even close right [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► but the fact that thought occurred to me [TS]

00:53:10 ◼   ► shows how angry I was at the the craft [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► of writing on this malay in this book it [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► is angered me huh [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► alright so for everybody listening out [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► there John syracuse a highly recommend [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► it and also claims that he can write a [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► better not [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► well I I think we're nanowrimo John [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► we're getting we're getting we're [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► getting your only eight days late get on [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► that [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► ya know I know I can't but the fact that [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► thought even entered my head to show us [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► how to better place this book romito [TS]

00:53:37 ◼   ► alright so we're getting close to really [TS]

00:53:40 ◼   ► be our allotted time here so I'm gonna [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► ask if anybody else wants to throw out [TS]

00:53:44 ◼   ► anything about this before we before we [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► wrap up the name by did I not hit [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► anything something on any of your lists [TS]

00:53:50 ◼   ► that i would say what I liked was the [TS]

00:53:52 ◼   ► references because they were directed at [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► me when I would be fascinated to read [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► the version of this book where all the [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► references are either imaginary or [TS]

00:54:01 ◼   ► things i didn't get and see what I [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► thought of it [TS]

00:54:04 ◼   ► mm so it's all a book entirely about [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► rush but haha the umberto eco book the [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► mystery of Queen Lana is also a burrata [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► preferences but it's a broader [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► references to umberto eco's childhood in [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► Italy and it makes no sense to me at all [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► there [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► I think this podcast maybe the only time [TS]

00:54:24 ◼   ► that this ernest cline will be compared [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► to PG Woodhouse and umberto eco [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► it's just let that go and open that echo [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► book is just a series of somebody saying [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► oh and then i'll pick up this book for [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► my childhood memory memory memory [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► oh and there's a picture i liked so it's [TS]

00:54:43 ◼   ► like a like a seven-year-old tell the [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► story [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► well no the sentences are a lot longer [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► marketplace because he's a freshman [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► semiotician like unless my favorite [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► thing from you think my favorite thing [TS]

00:54:53 ◼   ► about this book was is that you've it's [TS]

00:54:55 ◼   ► over you finished it was that a it has a [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► bright color on the cover to show [TS]

00:54:59 ◼   ► something that I said it shows something [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► that I suspected for a long time does [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► that you could make a good story about [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► the things that we enjoy about video [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► games like you know when you're playing [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► a video game and you get you know you [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► it's an enjoyable experience and it's [TS]

00:55:14 ◼   ► hard to relate let's relate that [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► experience to somebody who doesn't play [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► video games perhaps and I like to have [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► this this book even though it's kind of [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► just a minor aspect of it could show [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► like having this artificial rule the [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► world with this set of rules and the [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► things you can do it in the end exploits [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► that you have there can be fun and I [TS]

00:55:31 ◼   ► like the fact that it was it was so [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► close to modern MMOs that it wasn't like [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► like ender's game or some other fantasy [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► type thing where it's just so far in the [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► future it's like well we have nothing [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► like the now it's like we have things [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► like this now and people experience [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► without the trail blowing up part but [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► you know experience in games this type [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► of experience and see its kind of [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► exciting and I'll be interested to see [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► if they can make a movie out of it that [TS]

00:55:51 ◼   ► also expresses that you know this is the [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► fun that people have playing games and [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► here it is in the screen because [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► whenever they do it in movies it's [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► always so horrible and even this book I [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► was kind of stay at the end or like sea [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► and in the real world is the only place [TS]

00:56:02 ◼   ► where you can really have any fun know [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► the game is fun to you know that [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► moralizing at the end i just want to [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► punch him [TS]

00:56:08 ◼   ► it's like it Indian don't you know that [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► we have to like yes okay fine to have [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► actual sex instead of cyber sex that's [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► better I'm with you there but like video [TS]

00:56:15 ◼   ► games are fun too [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► that's real there's a real fun [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► experiences so that was my favorite part [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► of this book is it showed it can be done [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► and you don't have to pretend it's in [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► some fantasy world has no relation to [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► our own so maybe the movie of this won't [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► be good but the video game adaptation of [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► the movie will be a daunting want to [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► think about just like the matrix video [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► games are awesome and then the [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► novelization by umberto economical [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► quick little know-it-all comes around [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► and then the DNG module based on the [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► adaptation of the novel of the video [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► game of the movie of the book will be [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► available in stores all right i think [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► i'm going to leave their we're going to [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► come back next time on the book of and [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► talk about another book that also [TS]

00:56:56 ◼   ► strangely enough deals with multiplayer [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► online games although that it takes a [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► sharp left turn and that's Neal [TS]

00:57:02 ◼   ► Stephenson's Rudy it takes a sharp left [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► turn and then goes for six miles on foot [TS]

00:57:08 ◼   ► six you think it was just six anyways [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► that's for next time so I'd like to [TS]