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0:00:03the incomparable podcast 65 November

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0:00:15welcome to another edition of the

0:00:17incomparable podcast I'm Jason smell

0:00:20your host today we are going to be

0:00:22talking about fall television lots of

0:00:24new shows premiering with interest

0:00:27interesting premises and some sci-fi and

0:00:30some other things that are of interest

0:00:31to our are great listeners out there as

0:00:34well as some returning shows that we

0:00:35talked about before so to survey the

0:00:37landscape of fall television

0:00:40i'm joined by a tremendous cast of

0:00:43characters here today Scott Mykelti

0:00:46hello Scott

0:00:48hello i enjoy watching television I know

0:00:50that about you

0:00:51you're well-read and well watched I do

0:00:54sometimes I read and watch TV at the

0:00:56same time watching you right now John

0:00:59siracusa as well as here hi John

0:01:01hello Jason you are fewer of televised

0:01:03entertainment are you i just came from

0:01:06the television room

0:01:07Wow see so you're fresh you're ready to

0:01:09go

0:01:10well you have a whole room dedicated to

0:01:12tell us right that that is how serious

0:01:14you are that that's I like that level of

0:01:16dedication interviewer ben boychuk is

0:01:18also here this is to podcast in a row

0:01:20for you we are your your honor you're on

0:01:22a roll

0:01:23yeah I'm in such trouble with my family

0:01:25though yeah i'm going to be killed in my

0:01:27sleep too much

0:01:28podcasting I'm gonna have to really make

0:01:30this one count ok that's good podcast as

0:01:33if it was your last podcast on earth

0:01:35precisely alright damn moron who is on

0:01:38every podcast on earth is also here I

0:01:40damn Jason I'm not a television

0:01:43character but I play one on TV

0:01:44mm-hmm I'm sure you came up with that

0:01:47just now I'd actually did come up that's

0:01:49just good

0:01:51alright I like like that lack of

0:01:52preparation it fits with my life battery

0:01:54that's what i do i roll with the punches

0:01:56yes i'm a punch you later and Lisa

0:01:59Schmeisser also joins us hi Lisa

0:02:01I pleasure to be here it is great to

0:02:04have you here we'll see if you're still

0:02:06saying that at the end of the spot

0:02:08because like the feeling's mutual

0:02:10yes yes I'm alright so are interesting

0:02:15lots lots of new kind of genre related

0:02:19shows this fall which is funny because

0:02:22on one level like I kind of wondered if

0:02:23they would learn their lesson from some

0:02:26of the the the shows like the flash for

0:02:29words and the like of last season but

0:02:30know if we've learned anything about TV

0:02:32networks they never learn

0:02:35so we got another batch it's a pretty

0:02:38bleak landscape i was talking about i

0:02:40was having dinner with a friend earlier

0:02:41and we were sort of going through all

0:02:43the new especially in the hour-long

0:02:44department

0:02:45it is a pretty colors room oh I don't

0:02:50know

0:02:50podcast is over I was not I was not very

0:02:52excited about this fall and then

0:02:54actually I I think there's a lot of

0:02:58decent hour long new series out there

0:03:00decent nothing that i'm super excited

0:03:03about well that's the problem right it

0:03:05that a lot of these shows are almost

0:03:06more offensive in their mediocrity to me

0:03:08you know that may be that may be so but

0:03:11there's one I'm kind of excited about

0:03:13there's just one time there's one kind

0:03:15of excited about to so there's a 10 x I

0:03:18in fact discovering that one last week

0:03:20kind of turned me around about the

0:03:21season like ooh there's a show i'm

0:03:23interested in and under a solution so

0:03:25I'm sorry there's two short shows that i

0:03:27like this season one of them however is

0:03:29so far outside the realm of being

0:03:30comfortable that we shouldn't even bring

0:03:31it up

0:03:32no no we should now now now you're now

0:03:34you're in its revenge all my god you

0:03:37guys watching revenge in time i actually

0:03:40heard kind of kind of good things about

0:03:41that i I've never been heard of that

0:03:43it's a girl in the Hamptons and she

0:03:46hates all the people i'm kind of a

0:03:48sucker I do i do love Emily VanCamp

0:03:50she's awesome it is it on the CW know

0:03:53it's ABC hate well the ABC ABC is a

0:03:56ritual it features walking lab

0:03:59experiment madeleine stowe and as the

0:04:02queen of the Hamptons and then we

0:04:03vancamp as the girl who's going to take

0:04:06her down because madeleine stowe

0:04:07participated in the scheme that somehow

0:04:10got her father convicted of treason and

0:04:12he died in ignominy and it is the most

0:04:15deliciously soapy thing I've ever seen

0:04:16in my life and I say this is somebody

0:04:18who was a dedicated viewer of the

0:04:20original beverly hills 90210 and melrose

0:04:22place it just it's gone lunatic just in

0:04:25the first few episodes alone we've

0:04:26already got dumb us sliding kinsey scale

0:04:30sexuality blackmail going on as and a

0:04:33really annoying high tech billionaire

0:04:34who's decided to get involved just for

0:04:36kicks and a little bit of class warfare

0:04:38two bar and

0:04:40every time and now there's a secret

0:04:41tripled stripper doppelganger who was

0:04:42just introducing the latest episode of

0:04:44season pass right now

0:04:46yeah I have subscribing that's right so

0:04:49I got any at stripper doppelganger and

0:04:51the problem is I yeah I i will hulu at

0:04:53work occasionally just to just to just

0:04:55to get a refresher because it's just

0:04:56that good and the problem with healing

0:04:57something like this at work is is you

0:04:59you find yourself now you know when

0:05:01you're supposed to be buckling down and

0:05:02it's a chance to talk to the television

0:05:03show it is

0:05:05and honestly I wish I wish that more of

0:05:07my girlfriends or heck even boyfriends

0:05:09lived closer to me so that we could all

0:05:11get together on wednesday nights and

0:05:13watch it and screw scream at the screen

0:05:14together because it's mind-bogglingly

0:05:17good fund it is addictive

0:05:19I don't want to like it and my wife

0:05:22started watching it and I said I this is

0:05:24silly soapy nonsense but then you kind

0:05:26of get hooked and pretty soon I'm

0:05:29sitting down on the couch and and I'm as

0:05:31rapidly attend to it is as anything so

0:05:35yeah you're like what will the ball be

0:05:37this week is it is it a charity gala is

0:05:39that the fourth of July at every week we

0:05:42have a big a big fancy charity shindig

0:05:44was just introducing the second yes and

0:05:46that's what does that happen

0:05:48yeah sure shot in the Hamptons are no oh

0:05:50god now completely and like Long Beach

0:05:54yeah

0:05:55oh so sad yeah but it's another show on

0:05:57USA that's it in the Hamptons royal

0:05:59pains royal pains there you go

0:06:01hold me closer tiny doctors we call this

0:06:07is not how i thought this podcast we go

0:06:09no this is good I they were all getting

0:06:11our skeletons out of the closet now

0:06:12yeah it's good it's good should it would

0:06:16anybody else like to talk about shows

0:06:17they're watching that aren't we just

0:06:20start with off topic and then hope that

0:06:22have later we moved to all of you what

0:06:23let's off topic i mean well as John and

0:06:26John and I were talking before before

0:06:28about a homeland which I don't think

0:06:32necessarily falls straight into you know

0:06:34are sort of typical wheelhouse but again

0:06:37i will hire 32 spy a spy thriller and I

0:06:40and I love i'm a geek for spy thrillers

0:06:42so so there you go i it i would say so

0:06:46far and I and I again I've alive

0:06:48watch mostly pilots of other things it

0:06:50is probably the best new show of the

0:06:53entire

0:06:53that's all c's that's Claire Danes

0:06:55contains Damien loose right who you

0:06:58might recognize from LA and the brothers

0:07:00and life life which showed that I i like

0:07:02to smell good job cancelled and a man

0:07:07can't be taken as as other dances good

0:07:10using some of anything he's great in bed

0:07:12well I think he's he's awesome in this

0:07:14show so far but you forgot the most

0:07:16important one

0:07:18Inara marina marina avatars yeah that's

0:07:21Rebecca and David Harewood a British

0:07:24actor who has appeared in a couple I

0:07:26think he appeared in one of the Doctor

0:07:28Who end of time maybe the doctor who was

0:07:31like that rich reclusive billionaire

0:07:33whatever terrible character terrible

0:07:35character but I like him he also

0:07:36appeared on the BBC robin hood as Friar

0:07:39Tuck but he plays sort of a CIA middle

0:07:42management guy who's angling for a for a

0:07:44better a better job so the premise here

0:07:46is that is that Damian Lewis returns

0:07:50from like a spider hole in Afghanistan

0:07:52or go somewhere and he's basically been

0:07:54you know in this like captured by

0:07:56terrorists and held for eight years and

0:07:58he gets rescued and claire danes

0:08:01character suspect that he may be he may

0:08:04have been turned

0:08:05during his capture but she basically has

0:08:07this information

0:08:08nobody else really knows this

0:08:12information that she has and so she sort

0:08:14of goes out on a limb to try and prove

0:08:16it and what I like about it so far is

0:08:18that it really

0:08:19despite the fact that you know you was

0:08:21the viewer kind of know what's going on

0:08:22because you see stuff sort of omission

0:08:24Lee her character clearly is you know

0:08:28right in in sort of like straddling the

0:08:32line she does a lot of questionable

0:08:33things and she does a lot of things that

0:08:35don't seem to pay off so she's got this

0:08:38theory and she started sticking to it

0:08:39and trying to prove it but she's not

0:08:42making a lot of headway and sort of in

0:08:44each episode she gets like maybe a

0:08:45little bit closer but she's still kind

0:08:48of on the outside looking in and so I

0:08:51kind of enjoy that sort of uphill

0:08:53struggle from her and there's some

0:08:54things with her that make her arguably

0:08:56sort of unreliable as a character very

0:09:00tactful way of putting it

0:09:03yeah but she's I I you know without

0:09:05giving too much away about it but its

0:09:08life it was one of probably the only

0:09:09pilot i watched and was immediately

0:09:11thinking I have to have to watch the

0:09:13next episode because it ends on

0:09:15something that's very subtle but is also

0:09:18kind of this huge shift you know she

0:09:20spends his whole pilot trying to prove

0:09:21this fact and she least get somebody to

0:09:24come around your point of view at the

0:09:25end but in what it turns out to be a

0:09:27fairly minor sort of Revelation I think

0:09:30am I think the pilot is was maybe still

0:09:33is available for free for people yeah

0:09:35and to think you could stream it online

0:09:37although it is obviously censored in on

0:09:39on shows its show time so there is some

0:09:41stuff to censor so if you wanna see the

0:09:44good parts

0:09:45yeah you don't want to be sensor all

0:09:47right i want ya i was vision why John

0:09:51saying that but that's the thought you

0:09:53open you know episode 1 let's cut to the

0:09:56chase here here's why you want to keep

0:09:57watching this program and then you know

0:09:58you know even the first episode of

0:10:00stargate had boobs in it

0:10:02yeah but never again I kept watching for

0:10:05eight long years wow that's Teddy power

0:10:09of the many ways I don't know about a

0:10:11show that is really really its subtle

0:10:13which I like in a thriller I mean it's

0:10:15kinda like a lot more of a john mccrae

0:10:17angle to it it's not entirely

0:10:20over-the-top things will blow up every

0:10:22week it's not 24 it's got yes it's got a

0:10:26much more it's got a much slower burn to

0:10:28it i really appreciate that it keeps you

0:10:30going and keep every week I finished

0:10:32that the show and I think holy crap i

0:10:34wish i had the right the next episode

0:10:36right now because it's that I'm adding

0:10:38grossmont yeah I just caught up on the

0:10:41series i watched the first episode of it

0:10:43yesterday and watch the last episode of

0:10:45it today so it tells you what kind of

0:10:46draw dad for my life are the best thing

0:10:49i've seen this season what it reminds me

0:10:51most of his season 1 of The Sopranos and

0:10:54that they're building tension like

0:10:57every person in the show I yeah Dan

0:11:01mentioned the claire danes was like you

0:11:03know kind of odd not kind of unreliable

0:11:06and strange not really like your shining

0:11:07knight and the one you're rooting for

0:11:09anything like that everyone in the show

0:11:11has something about them that's off

0:11:13including like the supposed antagonist

0:11:15think the the guy who's been turned like

0:11:17as Dan was saying they're leading you

0:11:19since you as the the viewer see things

0:11:22that no one else sees you know you see

0:11:23everything you feel like you have a

0:11:25pretty good idea of what the truth is

0:11:27but even if you know even if you're

0:11:30pretty sure that you know what's going

0:11:32on the characters involved in it don't

0:11:34are like real people are not sure that

0:11:37their that they're able to or are

0:11:40willing to or want to go through with

0:11:41the thing you think they're gonna do

0:11:43everybody the good guys the bad guys the

0:11:45guys you think about guys do you think

0:11:46are good guys

0:11:47nobody is like an automaton machine who

0:11:49just does what they want to do

0:11:50everybody's got problems everybody is

0:11:52uncertain and it's all that the

0:11:54mellowness is what's great about it

0:11:55because you you know i don't know what

0:11:57the budget is the show but like there's

0:11:58no explosions no car chases

0:12:00there's very little that you know

0:12:02gunfire anything like that it's just a

0:12:04good character story that's slowly

0:12:07building tension now this is the type of

0:12:09series where you've all depend on how

0:12:11they resolve this story because they're

0:12:14obviously they're building some kind of

0:12:15story here and say well how far how many

0:12:17seasons this can you do it eventually

0:12:18we're going to find out

0:12:19will your warranty is here isn't he does

0:12:22the thing I think gonna happen not going

0:12:23to happen and like how do you do season

0:12:252 and how to do season 3 and so on and

0:12:26so forth so they can still mess this up

0:12:28but that i highly recommend this show

0:12:31for all the reasons you might want to

0:12:33watch a show it reminds me a little bit

0:12:35of my favorite show from last year which

0:12:36I know John liked as well which was

0:12:38Terriers which was another show that had

0:12:39a very slow build to it and i think this

0:12:42is teenagers was much more laid back

0:12:44than this though

0:12:45yes is like this is like fighting you

0:12:47know yeah so I shouldn't watch this

0:12:49because it's going to get cancelled

0:12:50no I think it's on showtime so okay

0:12:53there you go

0:12:53yeah it's already it's already been

0:12:55renewed you've got washed away skycable

0:12:57guarantee all right yeah the gray cable

0:12:59guarantees the first time that's a great

0:13:01recommendation

0:13:02let's uh move on and talk about

0:13:05Oh we'll go from serious nail-biting

0:13:10the post the iraq war terrorism to

0:13:13dinosaurs in the past through a time

0:13:16portal about that who that would be I

0:13:18speak of Terra Nova on song started

0:13:21yeah terranova sort of vaguely Stargate

0:13:25and it actually the people behind it are

0:13:27our mother it's a bunch of Star Trek

0:13:28producers plus Steven Spielberg although

0:13:31i'm always dubious about how he's how

0:13:33much she's involved in anything

0:13:35hands on is he gonna be with this you

0:13:36drop by the office once you know you

0:13:38know I i will say that i think he is he

0:13:41is not like super involved but there's

0:13:42something about this that reminds me of

0:13:44like you're you're very average

0:13:46Spielberg film like the worst of

0:13:48Spielberg I think well I mean Spielberg

0:13:50but like mediocre right like and I think

0:13:52on that TV his TV work is actually

0:13:54generally really poor

0:13:56yeah i mean but in film on talking he

0:13:58gets that I don't think he gets the

0:13:59medium

0:14:00yeah it's it's it's a weird show it's

0:14:03not as bad as I thought it would be but

0:14:05it's not i think it's pretty terrible

0:14:07oh it's it's it's squandered potential

0:14:10it's one potential that's exactly what i

0:14:12was going to say is I thought the pilot

0:14:14was pretty good in that it sets up the

0:14:16scenario where your you've got a blank

0:14:19canvas right you've got these people

0:14:21they're back in time there from the

0:14:22future they they've they're sending from

0:14:24a dystopic future not right future right

0:14:27I thought that was the coolest part of

0:14:28the whole show on asleep while rising

0:14:30more the future or the so well that's

0:14:32the nice thing about it is that they

0:14:33can't go back but people come from the

0:14:35future they continue to come in waves

0:14:37from the future and they can do some

0:14:39communication back there and there's

0:14:41some some imagination since the politics

0:14:44and I I thought that was I thought the

0:14:46setup was pretty good i mean there's

0:14:48some weirdnesses apparently in the

0:14:49original pilot the husband and wife who

0:14:52have been separated because he was put

0:14:54in jail for lying about having having a

0:14:57kid right so the the husband-wife in the

0:15:01original unaired pilot they were their

0:15:03marriage was was on the outside actually

0:15:05the reason that they had the third kid

0:15:06was to try and save their marriage or

0:15:07somehow and they took that out which is

0:15:10weird but what's even weirder is like in

0:15:11the second episode they're introduced

0:15:13this guy who was her old boyfriend and

0:15:15there's supposed to be some tension

0:15:16there except it's very clear that they

0:15:18had to take that out when they decided

0:15:20not to have their marriage be in trouble

0:15:21so there's it

0:15:23no tension oh that's a huge narrative

0:15:26mistake because this show would have

0:15:28been okay i thought this show could have

0:15:30been delightfully creepy if it turns out

0:15:32that Elizabeth had been recruited by a

0:15:35next lover who was thinking hey your

0:15:36husband's in jail you're going to be

0:15:38several million years in the past

0:15:40how's it going around that you know

0:15:42that's what it should be about it's got

0:15:44dinosaurs is not speaking about our

0:15:46marriage is on the rocks a sleep but

0:15:48doesn't make me creepy setup is all so

0:15:50kids I'm your new dad in the past and

0:15:53happy because we haven't nothing just

0:15:55drop that angle

0:15:56well you did I think I think the push

0:15:58and hold that I heard just hear about

0:16:00how it's got dinosaurs do we want

0:16:01characters like well i was actually

0:16:03thinking that setting you know telling

0:16:05stories about interesting people

0:16:07interesting characters it with this with

0:16:09this kind of in interesting world that

0:16:10they're in this backdrop could be good

0:16:13unfortunately the second episode is a is

0:16:16a star trek episode it's basically

0:16:18there's a scary kind of dinosaur threat

0:16:20that threatens the ship I mean the

0:16:22colony in made up and the spoiler horn

0:16:26and talk specifics because it was really

0:16:28like the dumbest premise multiple shorts

0:16:33the third episode just also a bad Star

0:16:36Trek rice right that's the one that

0:16:37maybe I actually didn't even watch it

0:16:39because i saw the preview for where it

0:16:40said a virus that erases their memory

0:16:43temporarily and I'm like I don't like

0:16:45that episode of Star Trek do you need

0:16:47and that was my thought was you've got

0:16:49interesting premise and you've got and

0:16:52you've got submit some vaguely

0:16:53interesting characters you clearly got a

0:16:55budget for hunt for like hi

0:16:57special-effects you're doing

0:16:58high-concept sci-fi of the week it's

0:17:00like you're on a mainstream network

0:17:02you've got a sci-fi premise you don't

0:17:03need to syfy it up any further

0:17:05you've got dinosaurs you got people from

0:17:07the future who are now in the past you

0:17:09don't need a sci-fi virus as one of my

0:17:12one of my family members who is a big

0:17:14sci-fi fan said like you know pick one

0:17:17right like pick one thing that's

0:17:18different right

0:17:19yeah I was gonna say there's too much

0:17:21stuff in the show Yeah Yeah Yeah

0:17:22dinosaurs done you can make a they can

0:17:25make decisions with you decent things

0:17:26with the dinosaurs Oh big made up

0:17:28dinosaurs you've got all these people

0:17:30coming from a dystopian future when

0:17:32orange is a freakin big deal and all of

0:17:34a sudden they're put into this pass

0:17:35where there's just this profusion of

0:17:37strange flora and fauna and are like

0:17:39home time to patrol the fence that's

0:17:41over with giant vines and keep out the

0:17:43dinosaurs

0:17:43no yeah there's no wonder there's a

0:17:46whole world to explore with things that

0:17:48they don't even know we're out there and

0:17:51instead they sit behind the fence and

0:17:52occasionally they'll be like oh geez

0:17:54there's a dinosaur killing people we

0:17:57let's investigate bad and it's really

0:17:58just like that towards the dangerous

0:18:00this is crazy

0:18:01we're mix of of some innovative things

0:18:04and then complete retreat into just

0:18:07clichés it's it's really disappointing

0:18:09also apparently none of these people

0:18:11were formed by their dystopia hate yeah

0:18:15they're all just hanging out by college

0:18:16students know because in the pilot they

0:18:18call those billboards about how family

0:18:20is for and apparently having more than

0:18:21two children is is a grave enough

0:18:23offense where you can get tossed into

0:18:24jail for by the population police

0:18:27yes and you've got this family to jets

0:18:29into the past with five people one of

0:18:31whom you know was was brought in a

0:18:33freaking backpack and their embraced

0:18:35with open arms by the entire Terranova

0:18:37colony you can't tell me that can send

0:18:40it back i guess we'll know but the thing

0:18:42is people could treat them with

0:18:43discussed earlier pariahs aurealis right

0:18:45ulong breaker and instead their own gym

0:18:48whatever did we do before you came along

0:18:50to enforce laws that we haven't actually

0:18:52ratified listen to the future right they

0:18:54seemed like people from the President as

0:18:55if they'd forgotten that they're from a

0:18:57dystopian future

0:18:58well except for except for Steven

0:18:59language there's just like a play the

0:19:01same role you play never huh slightly

0:19:03mellower you know i will say something

0:19:04about Stephen Lang I like something i

0:19:07still get me wrong you know yeah I like

0:19:08him to the thing I'm glad about at least

0:19:11so far in terra nova is that it was so

0:19:14obvious going on it's like oh they're

0:19:15gonna cast him as this mean guy who's in

0:19:18charge of the colonies going to be a

0:19:19jerk and they're gonna have he's going

0:19:20to be the antagonist and they haven't

0:19:22he's actually like he's kind of a jerk

0:19:24how he's just he's kinda gruff right but

0:19:26not rough but he's got the best interest

0:19:28of the colony of heart more lesson and

0:19:30and and i like that because when you've

0:19:32got that whole weird someone to keep him

0:19:35to write with his likes honest he hasn't

0:19:37he has a dark secret to assure you know

0:19:39the real deal is with the the actual

0:19:40anti- for taken from ready player one

0:19:42right they just brought them right over

0:19:44the sensors

0:19:45yeah like said the icon that is all

0:19:47about my problem is that so they can't

0:19:49seem to decide they have dinosaurs

0:19:51attack and then they have some kind of

0:19:53family drama they want to do and then

0:19:54there's a virus and that is just oh god

0:19:58the episode with him like I would like

0:19:59to court her daughter just that it's all

0:20:02kind of all those plot-wise need to just

0:20:04die

0:20:04yeah and then there's the rebellious

0:20:06teenager I've got to go out and sneak

0:20:08outside the fence my first things i hate

0:20:11me exactly i don't know anything about

0:20:12this place but i'm going to sneak out

0:20:13and have some moonshine with people I

0:20:15just met because that seems like a good

0:20:16idea

0:20:17you think I really think I would have

0:20:19been bowled a bold and insensible

0:20:21artistic decision to kill that kid

0:20:23mmm pilot that would've been awesome and

0:20:25then Stephen like have been like see

0:20:26this is why you don't go outside the

0:20:28fence mother's now your family only has

0:20:32four jerks

0:20:34yes yeah well I mean it would have been

0:20:36a very different show up they showed up

0:20:37and he said about pic to kill third one

0:20:40well that's wonderful and i were

0:20:42thinking we're gonna do we were really

0:20:43disappointed when they didn't I mean

0:20:45that this is clearly a beautiful

0:20:47reoriented show right boxes trying to

0:20:48get the family so we all agree that the

0:20:50story in the premise they're just

0:20:52squandering it right but you like let's

0:20:54just put that aside and just look at

0:20:55every other aspect of the show the

0:20:57script

0:20:58another thing they're not just so and

0:21:00write whatever gets the job done stupid

0:21:02the individual actors chosen ROK

0:21:04individually but like think of the

0:21:06husband and the wife no chemistry and

0:21:07biochemistry at all then the girl who i

0:21:09love Don King's is just completely flat

0:21:11here I have no interest in her like

0:21:13everything is no interesting character

0:21:14actors is just not done

0:21:16no Steve laying it is coming well the

0:21:20thing is is jason o'mara is not a bad

0:21:22actor and he was very good and life on

0:21:24Mars it's just whoever is guiding his

0:21:26career keeps getting into real stinkers

0:21:27because his accent is for his fake

0:21:30accent I barely even recognized him from

0:21:32life on Mars know you mentioned i say oh

0:21:34yeah that is that guys such a pale

0:21:35shadow of what he wasn't that show

0:21:37well I yet they never liked keep his

0:21:39Irish accent someday so let's let's move

0:21:41on

0:21:42I now that we've beaten the dinosaurs to

0:21:44death and talk about two shows that are

0:21:48sort of similarly premise which is that

0:21:52there are legendary mythical creatures

0:21:55who are real grim lcg yeah well reel him

0:22:02but that's not the premise dependency

0:22:04unit there plenty real that the prince

0:22:06and the premise Department of this grim

0:22:08which is about mean it's like buffy the

0:22:12vampire slayer or angel because it's the

0:22:14same producers it's david greenwalt a

0:22:16couple of producers who worked on Buffy

0:22:18and Angel and that and that that premise

0:22:21is that this guy discovers that he's the

0:22:23latest in a line of of people who fight

0:22:26against supernatural forces in the real

0:22:28world and there really is a big bad wolf

0:22:31that attacks girls wearing red hoodies

0:22:34and and there's this whole other part of

0:22:36the world that he's not seen before that

0:22:38now is revealed to him and then there's

0:22:40also once upon a time which is a show

0:22:44that suggests that all fairy book you

0:22:49know the story fairy the fairy tales are

0:22:52real and the weekend Queen cast a spell

0:22:57that banished them all from the land of

0:22:59fairy tales and now they live in Maine

0:23:02and don't rip don't realize that their

0:23:04Ain main where there are no happy and

0:23:07main rain is like purgatory basically

0:23:09what we've learned

0:23:10this just in and one town over from

0:23:13Haven and and and so they there now in

0:23:16Maine so this is essentially you end up

0:23:18with a town that's full of people where

0:23:20you sit there and watch them and go oh

0:23:22he is Jack from Jack and the Beanstalk

0:23:25or whatever and the next and that's not

0:23:30you know how do you feel about this show

0:23:32Jason do you want I'm just I'm just

0:23:35trying to I'm just trying to elaborate

0:23:36on the premises here but it was just it

0:23:38was just the venom which you put it to a

0:23:39boil and whatever alright so let's all

0:23:41right i'll jump on that bad once upon a

0:23:43time for watching two episodes of

0:23:45once-upon-a-time as I am i it's not good

0:23:49it's it no it's not okay okay it's not

0:23:52bad yeah I watched it but it's not this

0:23:54like it's like you're sitting there is

0:23:56no thanks first off it's from these two

0:23:58guys who are producers on lost and you

0:24:02can tell but basically what they've said

0:24:03it it's like lost with fairy tales

0:24:05because every episode seems to cut back

0:24:08and forth between the past in the

0:24:10fairyland with important things that

0:24:12inform you about what's happening in the

0:24:14present in main there a sound effect

0:24:16accompanying there is no little Michael

0:24:21chiquinho but i have I so they do these

0:24:24flashbacks and I think to myself I think

0:24:25that maybe is a mistake i think maybe

0:24:27I'm grounding in the present would be

0:24:29better

0:24:30the problem with a fairy the fairy realm

0:24:31is the fairy realm is ridiculous

0:24:34over-the-top but not enough and you're

0:24:37gonna make it ridiculous i thought you

0:24:38should I think you should go all the way

0:24:40camp and they just a plant in Hungary

0:24:42tones well they don't because they have

0:24:43to go there every week now right i mean

0:24:45it would be different if the first half

0:24:47of the pilot was about the fairyland and

0:24:50then we never saw it again but instead

0:24:52they keep going back there and and the

0:24:55way they've instructed the actors to act

0:24:57especially the woman who plays the mayor

0:24:59of the town who's all Atlanta free

0:25:01lessons on taxes also the Wicked Queen

0:25:03her her her performance it as the wicked

0:25:07queen is painful to watch because it's I

0:25:10disagreed so it's just it's poor it is

0:25:13liable disagree I disagree because I

0:25:15thought that's finished worse the more

0:25:17you invited Lisa it's even worse no I

0:25:19thought I thought that the way she

0:25:21manipulated her father a nap

0:25:22so to attic at the key moment I'm trying

0:25:27very hard to explain this without

0:25:28resorting to spoilers

0:25:30anyway the point is is she as she

0:25:31manipulated her father I thought the way

0:25:33that she portrayed the the emotion she

0:25:36was fading compared to what she's

0:25:38actually feeling I thought that was

0:25:39fantastic and I also think she's

0:25:41fantastic is the mayor too because she

0:25:43does a really good job

0:25:44ok my problem with let me be more

0:25:46specific

0:25:48reading reading the over-the-top Wicked

0:25:52Queen dialogue where she sort of

0:25:54shouting into the air about haha yeah

0:25:58that stuff is horrible

0:26:00it's just yeah it's painful so is there

0:26:02anything ever anybody who does that well

0:26:04or 0 because it seems like that the the

0:26:06we've done a really good job as a

0:26:08narrative convention making villains

0:26:10look like complete jackholes when I do

0:26:12start the waving around of the hands and

0:26:13the screaming at nobody particular

0:26:15develop a they'll all pay

0:26:16I mean it doesn't matter what does that

0:26:18but gary oldman does well I'd they keep

0:26:22flashing back to this this very tail end

0:26:23as we're talking about but the problem

0:26:25is like everybody knows those stories

0:26:28yeah right like that's why it's boring

0:26:30it's telling us a story we've already

0:26:31heard there's no as far as I can tell

0:26:33there's not much at least in that I only

0:26:34saw the pilot but it seemed like there

0:26:36wasn't too much that like drove those

0:26:39characters to me I mean because their

0:26:42fairytale characters right ultimately

0:26:43they are kind of two-dimensional and and

0:26:46for me that meant I didn't really care

0:26:48about their who they were and and so

0:26:51it's disappointing in some ways to hear

0:26:53that they sort of keep going back to

0:26:54that well because i think there's

0:26:55there's an interesting premise there but

0:26:57you know it doesn't need to have the

0:26:59flashbacks i don't know i think they're

0:27:02doing that I think they're doing that so

0:27:04that they you you begin to care about

0:27:08who not home so much who they were but

0:27:10who they are now I i think that and I

0:27:13think it's developed a little bit more

0:27:15in the in the second episode and it and

0:27:17I'm willing to give this show a little

0:27:19bit more of a chance because I i think

0:27:23it it's moving along it's not it's not

0:27:27like they're jerking us around I think

0:27:28it's moving along the first two episodes

0:27:31there there's a there's a drive to them

0:27:33and it seems like you were getting a

0:27:35better sense

0:27:36so of who these people are now and so so

0:27:41that the flashbacks to fairy tale land

0:27:43are aren't that they don't bother me as

0:27:45much although I if the first episode

0:27:48where they were they were all gathered

0:27:50around that the round table and they

0:27:52were trying to figure out what to do and

0:27:54they were coming up with maybe some

0:27:56solution to get out of this curse or

0:27:59whatever reminded me a lot of the

0:28:01imaginationland episode of southpark

0:28:03yeah let's crank call out maybe not what

0:28:10they were going for

0:28:11probably not what they were going for

0:28:12but it said I I couldn't help but think

0:28:14of you know all of the the Council of

0:28:17imaginary characters talking about the

0:28:20crisis you know in Imaginationland and

0:28:24then that you know there was Jiminy

0:28:26Cricket bear on the on the conference

0:28:28table you know it is in that was a

0:28:30little bit funny but before the most

0:28:32right you know i think i think this

0:28:34one's this one's got potential although

0:28:36it certainly didn't it didn't come

0:28:39blasting out of the gate the way the way

0:28:42grim did

0:28:42yeah it's so it's great yeah so grim so

0:28:47great and much stronger pilot I think

0:28:49mix photon once-upon-a-time grim only

0:28:51see the pilot because we record this

0:28:54it's only only only air the pilot eh

0:28:57yeah it was having good it was really

0:29:00good I liked it a lot

0:29:02I don't know if I'd say really good but

0:29:03i found it more compelling than once

0:29:05upon them once upon a time i find it

0:29:07shocking that Jason the buffy guy loves

0:29:09somebody I wanted that's exactly know

0:29:11what there's a as I'm watching it the

0:29:13chemistry between the blue pot in the

0:29:14sin and the lead guy were fantastic

0:29:16really i found the bleeding i kinda flat

0:29:19period like easy very generic and and

0:29:22his buddy i was reading for the body to

0:29:23dive is there was nothing between those

0:29:25two what the copies he's like he's like

0:29:27salt or yeast where you have to add them

0:29:29to something else and then everything

0:29:30gets he sees 11-8 you can we don't

0:29:33distract me he looks like he looks like

0:29:34brandon routh he does yeah I get like

0:29:37it's like I like branded I like brandon

0:29:39routh better which is saying something

0:29:41and yeah you know it's like he didn't

0:29:43want to do it so they found look alike

0:29:44and brandon routh could use the work

0:29:46yeah we can do incidentally he was on

0:29:48Chuck a couple years ago is really good

0:29:50on Chuck I like the mind but he you know

0:29:52this is this guy is kind of like I don't

0:29:54know so far in one episode I found him

0:29:56kind of uninspiring and I I like I mean

0:29:59I like the sort of the sidekick guy the

0:30:02stylus we realized yeah yeah I like him

0:30:05I thought he was pretty good a lot of

0:30:07the other carrier i mean the other

0:30:09characters don't really stand out that

0:30:11the partner generic partner right you

0:30:14know there's the obligatory twist

0:30:17yeah I don't know any it's interesting

0:30:21there's there's an interesting potential

0:30:22here it's certainly a lot darker there

0:30:25were little things that bothered me I my

0:30:28favorite little bizarre plot point of

0:30:29course being the the girl goes out

0:30:31jogging and drops her ipod when she gets

0:30:34murdered and then they they go look for

0:30:3612 hours later is playing the same like

0:30:39what happened with that he likes the

0:30:41Eurythmics so much it was on repeat one

0:30:44song exactly the only song you should

0:30:46listen to brew your android / yeah

0:30:47that's some battery life too

0:30:49yeah well grapple yeah we all just

0:30:51thinking the same to any other Apple

0:30:53they're really like oh yeah I know

0:30:54exactly what model headphones are you

0:30:57dig that

0:30:57yeah yeah okay good but it was probably

0:31:00get a bunch of Apple nervous watching

0:31:01the show also if you're gonna be a crazy

0:31:03supernatural killer don't hum the song

0:31:06that your victim was listening to when

0:31:08you're talking to the police that was a

0:31:10weird revealed for me because i did not

0:31:12quite pick it up but yeah it's coming on

0:31:15it's strange that the partner is the one

0:31:17who picks it up like now I didn't

0:31:20understand why they gave that discovery

0:31:22to him maybe this is to show them the

0:31:24Grimm is going to need to be schooled

0:31:25both in regular police work and in the

0:31:27supernatural police work

0:31:29it's good at anything he is incompetent

0:31:32all fronts

0:31:34well he kinda is he will use the

0:31:36audience standing that's the whole point

0:31:37is is you always have one in every show

0:31:39who's the neophyte or the the newbie and

0:31:43groom had a great line when so that the

0:31:45guy who abducted the girl hasn't has her

0:31:48in his basement and he's very creepy and

0:31:50he's walking out party turns exactly

0:31:52turn sir it says would you like a

0:31:53chicken pot pie

0:31:55because you look at nigger up they say

0:31:57lyrics like oh no it's what I really

0:32:00like is how the blue bars are like we

0:32:01see red hood we can't help it that's

0:32:03just power wired I thought that was

0:32:04really nice

0:32:05yeah there's that there's a nice a nice

0:32:07bit where his the guy who he drops in

0:32:09who is obviously going to be his like

0:32:11advisor into the supernatural world

0:32:13who's the good character and funny and I

0:32:15kept waiting for him to turn to to the

0:32:17to the grim guy and say dude and he

0:32:20finally did those like there it is

0:32:21there's the dude he's that kind of guy

0:32:22he's the dude sidekick but he said I

0:32:26can't go any further because crazy I if

0:32:28I get too close we become like a pack

0:32:30and you know i gotta turn around and

0:32:32it's not like moment of like I can't go

0:32:34with you any further now you're on your

0:32:35own

0:32:36I like that and to John's point that the

0:32:38guy who loves Buffy would like would

0:32:40like the show it's true i mean it's got

0:32:42a lot of the same pieces and i turned my

0:32:43wife while we were watching it and I

0:32:45said into every generation one man is

0:32:47born he is the grim the advertisement a

0:32:50tentpole now I mean is it is a

0:32:53suggestion basically that they're all

0:32:54descended from the Brothers Grimm Grimm

0:32:55yeah

0:32:57yes that's what is that that's kind of

0:32:59lame so the the buffy essence part of it

0:33:02for me was as soon as i saw an old lady

0:33:04like in Congress combat where you have

0:33:06someone who you don't perceive to be

0:33:08like a warrior temper is like high

0:33:09school girl or a cancer-stricken and

0:33:12whips out you know starts doing this

0:33:14ninja combat everything you ever got

0:33:16knives and stuff that's a hundred

0:33:18percent Bobby what was missing from this

0:33:20there was in buffy is Joss Whedon and

0:33:22snappy dialogue i right that wasn't that

0:33:23was nowhere to be found which is

0:33:25probably why i like it felt more like

0:33:27Angel a little bit then like Buffy

0:33:28friends and I think I i think it was

0:33:30better written in this by far

0:33:32well I didn't say it wasn't I just said

0:33:34it's more a tailor talisman from our

0:33:36pilot yeah the pilots are pilots are not

0:33:38always good but the tone of angel was

0:33:40much more in line with this the darker

0:33:41and a little bit less funny then then

0:33:44the Buffy I think it's a closer analog

0:33:46one thing this had that Buffy didn't

0:33:48have was the ability to if not scared

0:33:52then at least startled so I was watching

0:33:54this with my wife and just I told her

0:33:57what the premise of the show was i think

0:33:58i just i was like the brothers grimm or

0:33:59whatever and you know like the first

0:34:01little jump jolt thing with jogger in

0:34:03the beginning startled her enough to

0:34:05make your contacts come out haha

0:34:08that should be a scale yeah that in

0:34:12addition to like he was holding

0:34:13something and just like she was startled

0:34:15many times about the show and it

0:34:16definitely I'm that's cheap like the

0:34:18thing that jumps out at you but at least

0:34:19it did that effectively writers and

0:34:21producers of grim you may want to quote

0:34:23from this episode of the uncomfortable

0:34:26it's made her contacts fly out of her i

0:34:29right

0:34:30and that's not you know so that shows

0:34:31like within the first minute they had

0:34:34yet they had your attention and they did

0:34:36you know the cheap little boots care but

0:34:37hey I'll take you know an effective

0:34:40cheap little boost Karen the thing that

0:34:41was pointing out of it was like they

0:34:44want to do a light-hearted tone with the

0:34:45sidekick guy was like AI mama we're both

0:34:47to it on the cool guy who'd but they

0:34:49also wanted to have they also want to

0:34:51have like look at the scary person with

0:34:52the bad cg face right that I don't know

0:34:56how they're going to balance that well

0:34:57but I really think that what the show

0:34:58would meet but the show's needed this is

0:35:00writing is as good as Buffy had it

0:35:03doesn't have that now i don't know if

0:35:05the other the other factors can make up

0:35:07for it well I guess I kept looking for

0:35:08in sort of the not just a dialogue with

0:35:10the structure of the episode i was i

0:35:13found myself looking for the someone in

0:35:15his life who is inevitably turns out to

0:35:18be one of these creatures or in league

0:35:19with the real thing the White House

0:35:21buddy was like but I look I was waiting

0:35:23for the carpet there's that one they did

0:35:24this really weird shot right after he

0:35:26like finds the little girl underneath

0:35:30the living room they sort of do this we

0:35:32chat with the partner stepping back and

0:35:33I'm like oh my God he's gonna like turn

0:35:35around and bring ya like a gun on him

0:35:36and I was like wow that would be a viet

0:35:38creepy turn or I thought the like the

0:35:40fiancé might might turn out to be evil

0:35:42or something

0:35:43I honestly think that because that would

0:35:44have been yeah they kind of had a shot i

0:35:47think we shot her too i felt like that

0:35:48hinted at that too but you didn't quite

0:35:51playoff and said those edited the reveal

0:35:53the end who really was the you know

0:35:55mhm but I I don't know I mean I maybe

0:35:59i'll watch the second episode I felt

0:36:01better about it that is like i said then

0:36:02I did about once upon time but it was

0:36:05still you know it's still mixed bag for

0:36:08me

0:36:08yes of the current and the new fairytail

0:36:12based hour-long show and Korean is

0:36:15number one in my Park

0:36:17yeah it turned you know watching up

0:36:21watching pilots you the first hurdle is

0:36:25can i watch through it to the end and

0:36:27then second hurdle is what i watch

0:36:28another episode and once upon a time I

0:36:31was like maybe i watch another episode

0:36:32because I gotta do a podcast about it

0:36:35the grip grammy was was yeah watch

0:36:38another episode of that again it was not

0:36:40like I'm I'm floored this is the best

0:36:43thing I've seen in years it was more

0:36:44like that that was better than I

0:36:47expected and worth worth some more of my

0:36:50time palatable palatable you can put

0:36:52that on the poster got some potential

0:36:54you know got some potential worth worth

0:36:56investigating further so yeah I think so

0:37:00oh and Scott red summed it up of the to

0:37:02go grim exactly so violent yeah i was

0:37:07gonna watch the once upon a time thing

0:37:09for the podcast but then I saw the groom

0:37:11is also in the list and I i surmise that

0:37:14grim would be the better institution

0:37:15well once I watch it I could I could not

0:37:17bring myself to watch the other like how

0:37:19can watch another fairy tales that just

0:37:20looks awful

0:37:21so I'm glad to hear that yeah I like

0:37:25senses are we even those of us who don't

0:37:26think it was awful i don't think i would

0:37:28service was good but let's talk about a

0:37:33person of interest

0:37:35this is a this is a show that is a

0:37:37procedural in some ways but it it's um

0:37:40it's got the premise is that there's a

0:37:43guy mr. Finch who's played by Ben liner

0:37:46sent Los Michael Emerson and and Ben

0:37:51Linus is off the island now and he's

0:37:53built a computer that the the government

0:37:57uses to spy on everybody but he's like

0:37:59put a backdoor in it so that the names

0:38:01of people who are going to die or be

0:38:03killed or or kill or something related

0:38:06to death will be emailed to him every

0:38:09day so that he can try and stop their

0:38:12deaths it's a bizarre kind of premise

0:38:14but in the end it's the setup is there

0:38:17so that the that he and jim caviezel

0:38:19Jesus himself jim caviezel Casey Casey

0:38:23wheel in in in skirt

0:38:26whoo that's AC it's true you can insert

0:38:29themselves into the

0:38:30people's lives and either you know

0:38:33prevent them from killing somebody or

0:38:35prevent them from being killed

0:38:38um it's a weird premise I love Michael

0:38:41Emerson and in this he is you know he's

0:38:43got streets got a limp in the flashbacks

0:38:46he doesn't have a limp there's mystery

0:38:48about who he is and why he's there and

0:38:50what his history is so I like him and I

0:38:54you know I have to say i like i like

0:38:56caviezel even though i don't like I find

0:38:58him kind of bland and other things i

0:39:00like them in this I don't think he's

0:39:02like eric roberts or something i'll go

0:39:05but i mean like a lie i think he crosses

0:39:07effectively menacing no i don't know i

0:39:09don't see I don't like it because I

0:39:11think he's more

0:39:12he's a little too much of a cipher I

0:39:13wanted a little more he's warming up the

0:39:16interplay with him Michael Emerson is

0:39:17getting a little bit better but in a

0:39:18pilot especially he's just like the guy

0:39:20who shows up and beat the crap outta

0:39:22here and not he just doesn't seem to

0:39:24have much of a personality of its own so

0:39:26I think he's a liability

0:39:27well see i kind of figured they would

0:39:29flush that out of me not you know they

0:39:30gave me to write write write but I mean

0:39:32I kind of enjoyed watching Abby that

0:39:34first scene where he beats the crap out

0:39:36of the punk kids who are just sort of

0:39:37you know over the scotsman ridiculous on

0:39:41the subway but yeah but it'sit's you

0:39:43know it's the kind of that's the kind of

0:39:44people you want to see get there get the

0:39:46crap beat out of them right after

0:39:47supplies think about that yeah exactly i

0:39:49think it's shot ya know I kind of enjoy

0:39:51so bad the show the two shows that this

0:39:53show reminds me of one is vengeance

0:39:54unlimited yeah which I know you love

0:39:57which was a mighty fine show and the

0:39:59other see equalizer which I loved with

0:40:01Edward who was the UX by who now just

0:40:04barges into people's lives when they're

0:40:05in trouble and beat the crap out of the

0:40:07mean people who are trying to hurt them

0:40:09and i love i love that show because it

0:40:11was menacing and it was kind of like New

0:40:13York the threatening side of New York

0:40:15and then this guy comes in and he he

0:40:18will just use all the tools at his

0:40:19disposal to destroy the bad people who

0:40:22are trying to hurt other people and I

0:40:24love that about that show and that's

0:40:25that's the thing that i do like about

0:40:27person of interest ya got that feeling

0:40:29to it yeah i mean but vengeance

0:40:30unlimited by the way hadn't had more of

0:40:32a sense of humor than the show does i

0:40:35was a little bit i was a little bit

0:40:37ambivalent about this show I didn't want

0:40:39to like it I didn't want it to succeed

0:40:41because because i thought it

0:40:44if it succeeds then we'll never see odd

0:40:47jobs which is just plan show with with

0:40:50with very honest and John Locke yes

0:40:53stereo and that sounded like an awesome

0:40:55show and I'm a little depressed about

0:40:57that yeah so but but turns out turns out

0:41:00this is this is actually pretty good and

0:41:02you know it i think we're what five or

0:41:06six episodes into this thing and I

0:41:08haven't seen that many of them by I've

0:41:10seen water a pilot but I watched the

0:41:12pilot was enough to at least convince me

0:41:14to give the next one shot

0:41:15well it is worth giving a shot and it

0:41:17turns out there there are some some

0:41:21other conspiratorial threads that are

0:41:23moving through it's not just it's not

0:41:25just about the backgrounds of of Emerson

0:41:29and and caviezel characters there's also

0:41:32some things happening that some of that

0:41:34some of the cases that they've been on

0:41:36some of that some of these numbers that

0:41:38they've that they've taken on and and

0:41:42some of these people that they've

0:41:43they've saved or or taken out turns out

0:41:49there there have been implications to

0:41:51some of the things that they've done

0:41:52sort of unforeseen consequences which is

0:41:54always very interesting so grace the

0:41:57numbers are bad

0:41:58well yeah well I although i have to do

0:42:00it not come for a4a out-of-left-field

0:42:03plot twist in the pilot which is just I

0:42:06don't know I looked it soon as it

0:42:08happened i can see like all right I see

0:42:10what you're gonna do here and yet i

0:42:13thought back to earlier in the episode

0:42:14notes like this doesn't really make any

0:42:16sets like you just kind of did that to

0:42:18be look surprised

0:42:21oh yeah yeah and and I remain at the end

0:42:24of that my wife turned to me and said if

0:42:25they do that every week this isn't gonna

0:42:27work but they don't know what's going on

0:42:29is good and it's actually pretty smart

0:42:31but in it may be that there are there

0:42:34are other powers at work here that you

0:42:38know that have not been revealed and so

0:42:40there's a lot to the show that that's

0:42:42worth watching I think you're you're you

0:42:44there's something what you say Jason

0:42:45that Caviezel as characters a little bit

0:42:49there's a little bit of a little bit of

0:42:51a cipher but I grab I sort of think he's

0:42:53just like a kind of brick that is yeah

0:42:55old people but i think i think little by

0:43:00little we're getting to know him a

0:43:01little bit better and and so it it it

0:43:06keeps you wanting to cum it keeps you

0:43:08wanting to come back for more at least

0:43:10it does for us and so we enjoy it i mean

0:43:14it's it's a lot of fun and and I but i

0:43:17do think you're right i mean Emerson's

0:43:19character so tremendously watchable he's

0:43:23just you know the guy that you never

0:43:25mean he really kind of makes the show

0:43:28but it's got its got action and by the

0:43:30way they're not a bit i think it's a

0:43:33native is it it's an eight o'clock show

0:43:34I think I don't know better not the time

0:43:37anymore yeah I don't either a dismal

0:43:39just it just materializes a firearm with

0:43:41my DVR but it but there you know people

0:43:45get killed in the show and yeah y-yeah

0:43:47how many people get shot up I was like

0:43:49this is very interesting because i find

0:43:51it especially coming from a perspective

0:43:53as a writer having a likable or at least

0:43:57relatable protagonist who kind of

0:43:59indiscriminately kills people is really

0:44:03hard because selected from the knees

0:44:05right forget sometimes that you're still

0:44:08in the head

0:44:08yeah right and I mean it so it's like

0:44:10you know that's that to me is that is a

0:44:12bold choice and I think that's if you're

0:44:14gonna I mean you want to back that up

0:44:15right like you want to have it shouldn't

0:44:18feel cartoony it should have

0:44:20consequences you should feel dangerous

0:44:22and should feel kind of brutal and if

0:44:25you're gonna do something with the

0:44:26character along that lines that's very

0:44:28interesting to me because I think that's

0:44:30something you wrestle with is he having

0:44:31a protagonist who is willing to cross

0:44:33that line but if it's just comes off as

0:44:36to like you know pretty close always

0:44:39just you know just kill people that they

0:44:40have no meaning right like dat that is

0:44:43yeah I mean it's all the 18 no one ever

0:44:44dies neil on right now that the car

0:44:46would blow up and maybe find yeah i mean

0:44:48but it is it is eight it is a show with

0:44:50it loses weight right

0:44:52Yeah Yeah right any other thoughts about

0:44:55person of interest

0:44:57well speaking as someone who was

0:44:58watching prime suspect thinking this

0:45:01person of interest

0:45:01haha can be easily if you wore a hat

0:45:04examined was blonde I have no opinion of

0:45:08the show but i will say prime suspect is

0:45:10entertaining i was very confused when i

0:45:12was watching the pilot because I I

0:45:13wanted to watch whatever a person of

0:45:15interest because people on Twitter all

0:45:17the nerds I follow on twitter we're

0:45:18talking about it was like I should watch

0:45:20that ship so I watched the episode of

0:45:22private sector house which was unrelated

0:45:24and i watch it was like this is a good

0:45:26police procedural you know the one that

0:45:28has a attitude and she's dealing with

0:45:31sexism on the police that's interesting

0:45:32but why are all these people talking

0:45:34about it on twitter i was very confused

0:45:35then I realized i'm an idiot yes

0:45:38watching the wrong show

0:45:38that's that's my thought process was

0:45:40fine but it was one of those shows that

0:45:43I you know I I don't need a police

0:45:46procedural and yet another police

0:45:48procedural in my life I just don't you

0:45:50know but it was fine because Maria Bello

0:45:52is in that she's good but she's good

0:45:54yeah and she has a hat she does have

0:45:57she's an aggressive hat i like how a

0:45:59personal and that show i like how they

0:46:01drink so much I like that a lot to do

0:46:03and I also I'll i also like the fact

0:46:05that most of the other people on on that

0:46:09squad or sort of halfway incompetent

0:46:14yeah that's great you know that the

0:46:16video that their le clerc's they'll try

0:46:18to frame people you know because they

0:46:20know i like this guy for this murder so

0:46:23I think we should just you know if I

0:46:25like that sort of thing that there's you

0:46:28know it's it's kind of a path of least

0:46:31resistance sort of bureaucratic thing

0:46:34that I did strikes me is constant

0:46:36realistic so it's kind of a neat show i

0:46:39don't know and i think it's interesting

0:46:40that the you-know-whats the bellows

0:46:43character she's like okay I think that

0:46:45the suspect is this guy and clearly if

0:46:48you're intelligent

0:46:50it is in fact that guy it makes sense

0:46:52and other people like your girl what do

0:46:54you know

0:46:55well i mean i think that was one of the

0:46:57challenges I mean obviously this is

0:46:58based on a really long and running

0:47:00british series with Helen Mirren because

0:47:03magnet i think the early nineties and

0:47:05you know where the Queen solves crime

0:47:08yes the little corgis and i think you

0:47:12know i was one of the criticisms I heard

0:47:14of it was just people talking about the

0:47:15fact that well you know not that that

0:47:17the sexism is an interesting angle but

0:47:19also that you know the the arguably the

0:47:22world of of 20 years ago is a bit

0:47:25different than the world of today in

0:47:26some regards but i mean i don't know i

0:47:28didn't i didn't watch the pilot and I

0:47:29I'd i do have fond memories of the

0:47:31senior the the earlier one shouldn't

0:47:34even be called prime suspect is it

0:47:35really has nothing in common

0:47:37I it other than those a woman who's a

0:47:39detective right i mean and that's you

0:47:41know that's that's to the better in some

0:47:43ways i know that a lot of times the

0:47:44American chose do better when they take

0:47:46a departure from the acceleration but

0:47:49that's such a honored kind of series

0:47:52that that it yeah it seems kinda weird

0:47:54day and i'm not quite sure what it

0:47:56really has some common but you know but

0:47:59it's fine we should we should move on i

0:48:02believe somebody wanted to talk about

0:48:03american horror story which i think is

0:48:06on FX which is from the from the people

0:48:08who brought you those fresh face kids

0:48:10glee

0:48:11so tell me about tell me about american

0:48:13horror story because i have not seen it

0:48:15and I don't know anything about it other

0:48:16than that

0:48:17that your coach mrs. coaches in it

0:48:20miss yeah oh yeah she's not very mrs.

0:48:23kochi here on the premises that Dad

0:48:27dylan mcdermott and mrs. kochi are Tami

0:48:32Taylor what's your actual name

0:48:34Oh Connie Britton bring him all right

0:48:37yes they're there a couple who are on

0:48:38the outs with one another

0:48:40she apparently had a third trimester

0:48:42miscarriage last stillbirth that she's

0:48:44still recovering from physically and

0:48:45psychologically he solved his grief by

0:48:48plunging into the arms and other parts

0:48:50of an undergrad and so their marriage

0:48:54has been under a great deal of strain

0:48:55and they decided the best thing to do is

0:48:58to subject themselves to another one of

0:49:00life's most stressful events which is a

0:49:01cross-country location with the sulky

0:49:03teenage daughter they end up at this

0:49:05huge neo Victorian monstrosity in Los

0:49:08Angeles jessica lange is their body next

0:49:11door neighbor who says really hateful

0:49:12things about the disabled to her

0:49:14daughter who happens to have down

0:49:15syndrome and

0:49:17over the course of a couple episodes you

0:49:19discover that the house in which mrs.

0:49:22coach and silicon or silicon live is

0:49:24simply packed with ghosts

0:49:26um it's supposed to be horrifying I

0:49:30suppose with the title big American

0:49:31Horror Story and all but really the show

0:49:33is just so far around around the bend

0:49:36that it's it's it's it's kind of a black

0:49:39comedy because just when you think that

0:49:42it can't get any more ludicrous and that

0:49:44people cannot act any less like human

0:49:46beings actually act along comes

0:49:48something else and you're like okay okay

0:49:51we have just moved often incomplete have

0:49:53just moved beyond the boundaries of of

0:49:56the odd things like that include jessica

0:49:59lange making epic cupcakes and sending

0:50:03over as a housewarming gift and then

0:50:04swatting about the same house small

0:50:06giving dramatic monologues about the

0:50:07deficiencies of her children

0:50:09dylan mcdermott goes jogging with a guy

0:50:12who burned his family to death in the

0:50:14nineteen seventies and the guy he's

0:50:15handing him headshots to check out

0:50:17because he wants to be an actor

0:50:19there's some weird fetal pig thing that

0:50:21lives in the basement and terrifies

0:50:22people it's just the only there's a guy

0:50:25in a gimp suit running around the house

0:50:26too but apparently no one notices him

0:50:28let me ask let me ask let me ask perhaps

0:50:30what is the what is the like elephant in

0:50:31the room question why don't they move

0:50:33they can't that they get the address in

0:50:36one episode where they haven't they have

0:50:37no money apparently moving west

0:50:39bankrupted them and since he's a psycho

0:50:40you know what's gonna buy that house

0:50:42exactly their mortgages underwater and

0:50:45covered in board and haunted

0:50:47yes that'sthat's basically that's

0:50:49basically the premise to go with his own

0:50:50words it's the real estate markets in

0:50:52such a dramatic downturn is no one will

0:50:54ever move into this place so also Connie

0:50:56Britton her character is pregnant and

0:50:58they're pretty sure the father is the

0:51:00ghost camp so that the fetus is

0:51:02apparently conspired to keep them in the

0:51:04house too and it's just um wow so yeah I

0:51:08i could not want to watch this show any

0:51:11less than I do right now it is like

0:51:13someone took it as like Ryan Murphy was

0:51:15like okay I need a dartboard and on that

0:51:17dartboard you should have every

0:51:19ridiculous horror cliché that has ever

0:51:21been in any movies the last 30 years and

0:51:23this week I want someone to hand me a

0:51:26quiver of 10 darts i'm going to throw

0:51:29them at

0:51:30bored and whatever it lands on were

0:51:31putting it in this episode it's just it

0:51:34is ludicrous

0:51:35it is a madcap this is like I think

0:51:38grant morrison would be like this is a

0:51:39little much guys

0:51:41maybe maybe lay off of Chris and madcap

0:51:44i'm watching on hulu since our DVR is

0:51:49always full anyway i'm watching hulu so

0:51:51I'm granted i'm a week behind and I

0:51:53understand the halloween to partner is

0:51:55really kind of an eye krauser but this

0:51:57is something where if you get a chance

0:51:59to watch it and and you're in the mood

0:52:00to laugh yourself silly and and have

0:52:02something that makes absolutely no sense

0:52:03whatsoever so you're watching it for the

0:52:06for the for the last value basically yes

0:52:09yes I am

0:52:10ok so noted so American Horror Story got

0:52:13it i'm going to steer clear that one

0:52:14yeah mmm yeah oh I didn't even mention

0:52:17there's that the rigor shows with with

0:52:19sarah michelle gellar that's awful

0:52:21anyone watch that I watched it

0:52:23let's get Buffy in it it's really bad oh

0:52:25alright good i don't want to get then

0:52:28it's really bad this

0:52:29no it's it's it's terrible but but she

0:52:33doesn't go to the Hamptons but she does

0:52:34go out on a boat and it's the worst

0:52:36green screen effect you've ever seen

0:52:38she's based on the soup it was hilarious

0:52:40it's it she's like it's like she's

0:52:42standing in front of a painting of the

0:52:44sea on a boat and pretending to rock and

0:52:49then she falls in at the falling in it's

0:52:51like somebody has a cup of water that

0:52:53they throw back out it's just it it

0:52:55appeared to be you know I don't know if

0:52:58they had a it was like a high school

0:52:59play it was delightful and but the TV

0:53:02critics so I had got that in there in

0:53:05their little advanced looking and I know

0:53:07a couple TV critics who actually called

0:53:10the network and said you're gonna fix

0:53:12the special effects right there like oh

0:53:14yeah we are

0:53:15it'll be better and then that it was not

0:53:17it was the same thing she's just in

0:53:19front of a backdrop

0:53:21wow that's a while it's about it's it's

0:53:23it's overly complicated and weird and

0:53:25bad and again bad use of twins and split

0:53:30screens and things and oh it's bad so

0:53:33I'm sorry I even brought it up now quite

0:53:34frankly other than that I wanted to beat

0:53:36it up and now i will say good news

0:53:40well we were recording this happen to

0:53:42browse a

0:53:43a TV news site and found that we will

0:53:46have once upon a time to kick around all

0:53:48co got a couple seasons in order know so

0:53:52i wanted to mention before we talked

0:53:54briefly about returning shows i wanted

0:53:56to mention one other show that I don't

0:53:58believe anybody here saw so I'm going to

0:54:00recap it for you

0:54:01having not seen it which is a gifted man

0:54:03this is a show that's on a belief CBS on

0:54:06Friday nights all you need to know about

0:54:08the gifted man is it's the ghost

0:54:14whisperer crossed with medium though

0:54:17which are essentially the same show but

0:54:20i believe in fact that was the premise

0:54:21of the show is that the demands dead

0:54:23wife comes back and helps himself how

0:54:25he's a doctor he's a doctor assets the

0:54:27show

0:54:28yes that's that show it's not it's not

0:54:30person of interest Scott

0:54:34my wife will like this show so it's like

0:54:38the ghost whisperer except without

0:54:39cleavage

0:54:40well the ghost has the cleavage this

0:54:42time and i believe the ghost is is

0:54:44Jennifer ely from Pride and Prejudice I

0:54:48i heard about the show but I watched

0:54:50prime suspect instead I'm surprised your

0:54:52wife hasn't made you watch the show

0:54:54Scott don't make don't let her don't let

0:54:56her know that it's on

0:54:58yeah she's been out of town so but i'm

0:55:00sure what she hears about it he'll watch

0:55:02it also also starring patrick wilson is

0:55:05the main character who's in the watchman

0:55:07among other thing is the gifted man of

0:55:10media for a he's a gifted man Jason he's

0:55:13not necessarily the only one but he's

0:55:14well he's the gifted man of the title

0:55:16but that's a gifted man like this and

0:55:20how is he in

0:55:22yeah / / he's over rot he been and you

0:55:27didn't say anything you've seen a gifted

0:55:29man I yeah just come on out it out saw

0:55:33the pilot hated it

0:55:37this like four episodes queued up on the

0:55:40DVR and I'm and I'm every not a day goes

0:55:44by where I'm not tempted to just delete

0:55:47them but then my way and generate and

0:55:50then I would be killed in my sleep i'm

0:55:51going to be killed in my sleep and write

0:55:53in any event because before you die you

0:55:55just delete them up and then the ghost

0:55:56whisperer will talk to you

0:55:57yeah but gifted man because over rotten

0:56:00terrible don't watch it

0:56:02ok don't watch tonight did I mention a

0:56:04new show that i forgot that is

0:56:07yeah he's right is it by sunset that's

0:56:09it is in fact started redline us as the

0:56:12prime suspect

0:56:13no it's not it's a prime suspect but it

0:56:15is a show that i didn't think i would

0:56:16like a because it's on stars and

0:56:19generally stars his boss it is boss i'm

0:56:22really not have a boss boss is so good

0:56:26it's a kelsey grammer and it wasn't in

0:56:28like the first two minutes because you

0:56:29see kelsey grammer anything look it's

0:56:31dr. Frasier great but within 22 minutes

0:56:34of watching this

0:56:35he's not Frasier Crane he is this crazy

0:56:38scheming really mean mayor of Chicago

0:56:42who has found out that he has a

0:56:44neurological disease and he's he has to

0:56:46kind of keep it from everyone

0:56:48it's just a fantastic show this is this

0:56:51is a this appeals to the political

0:56:54science geek in me this is like the

0:56:59deadwood was another show like that

0:57:00which resolves deadline which had a lot

0:57:04of things going on but ultimately it was

0:57:06that was a that was a show for you know

0:57:09political philosophy geeks and and

0:57:12bosses a little bit like that too and i

0:57:15just i saw that we watched the first

0:57:17episode of that and i told i told my

0:57:19wife this is my favorite show in the

0:57:22universe right now because it's got

0:57:25because you know in and you know all the

0:57:28hype leading up to the show by the way

0:57:29and they went out of their way to say

0:57:31Kelsey Grammer is not Richard Daley even

0:57:34though there's been an office for 18

0:57:36years and he's the most powerful man in

0:57:38the seas not Richard they are going to

0:57:39do the total innocence

0:57:41I mean the power dynamics that many

0:57:45people you know that the patron image

0:57:47that the horse trading there's a city

0:57:49council meeting in the first episode

0:57:51where he this is the whole thing going

0:57:54on where they're trying the which is

0:57:56based partly on a true story by the way

0:57:58where the city is trying to expand

0:58:02o'hare airport and they may find it

0:58:06Indian burial ground there and this

0:58:08becomes of course a huge problem because

0:58:10you can't just dig up the Indian burial

0:58:12ground and so there has to be so they

0:58:15you know they have to attach this this

0:58:20they have to give the mayor total

0:58:22control of this project they have to do

0:58:24it through waste management and it's

0:58:26just wonderful low politics it's just

0:58:30fantastic and and just great stuff so I

0:58:33haven't watched I haven't had a chance

0:58:34to watch the second episode yet but it

0:58:36is just great

0:58:37it is just got aa you ask Great Scott

0:58:40you picked a winner

0:58:41apparently who do and I don't even like

0:58:42politics but Kelsey Grammer is a

0:58:45fantastic as a this character the boss

0:58:48the boss Tom Kane before we go I want to

0:58:51I want to quickly touch base on some

0:58:53shows that have returned that we might

0:58:55want to mention at least briefly

0:58:58the walking dead is back on AMC

0:59:02I've only seen the first of of those

0:59:05episodes and I feel just as kind of

0:59:09lukewarm wish I actually drop the series

0:59:13of her

0:59:13oh yeah I've been liking season two I

0:59:16never I never started watching so I'm

0:59:19not John you like it yeah i think we

0:59:21have as I've seen I've seen all the

0:59:22present three episodes for I in the

0:59:26first season I don't feel like they

0:59:28didn't really know or maybe they knew

0:59:30what they wanted around a little bit of

0:59:32whether they were going to be

0:59:33concentrating on like the just they have

0:59:36to spend some time like the destruction

0:59:38of the United States and look at all

0:59:39this stuff and the big-budget things in

0:59:40there in the city and everybody's dead

0:59:42and stuff like but now they've narrowed

0:59:43the showdown to just these people that

0:59:45you care about now they're going to

0:59:46survive and it's almost like the zombies

0:59:47are not that important anymore at this

0:59:50little manipulative but there's been

0:59:53enough interesting moments that it's

0:59:54been grabbing my attention like the the

0:59:57main storyline which you see setup and

0:59:59they want episode you

0:59:59they want episode you

1:00:00so that's still going on i think im

1:00:03gonna be so three or four or something

1:00:04and i like it it's perfect you know it's

1:00:07not it's not knock my socks off but my

1:00:10new episodes coming out i want to see

1:00:11what happens i'm interested in the

1:00:13people on this show

1:00:14yeah I'm interested in I just I it

1:00:15leaves me I don't finish one episode and

1:00:17Bo I can't wait to watch the next

1:00:19episode is more like our and I'll watch

1:00:20the next episode

1:00:21sometimes it just doesn't doesn't grab

1:00:24me at that level so Lisa you you you got

1:00:26pushed all the way away from enough

1:00:28yes i did any any reason in particular

1:00:30to just not let the magic gone or

1:00:33whenever that real really that into it

1:00:35I hard time getting into it and as the

1:00:37season progressed I felt that the

1:00:39characters acted less like human beings

1:00:41understandable motivations and more like

1:00:43obvious standards or symbols where they

1:00:45were supposed to mean something or stand

1:00:46for something or move the story along

1:00:48and so because I couldn't really connect

1:00:51to any of the characters or empathize

1:00:54with their motivations that much i

1:00:57thought you know this already watching

1:00:59one show where the characters i don't

1:01:00like the human beings and Terra Nova's

1:01:02free so yeah the spell was broken yeah

1:01:09plus I'm kind of tired of zombies yeah I

1:01:11hear you you know i mean i-i don't mind

1:01:13reading not i don't mind i do think

1:01:15walking dead is a great comic book you

1:01:17know it's robert kirkman and I think

1:01:18it's really solid work and i think that

1:01:22the story plays out well in the comics

1:01:24medium it might actually be kind of

1:01:25challenging to do in television in the

1:01:27way just because your brain doesn't have

1:01:29to fill in some of the gory details are

1:01:31laid out for you like i said i have a

1:01:34hard time connecting the character the

1:01:35show inspired me to read all of the

1:01:37comics and then the comics ruin the show

1:01:39for me because there's so much better

1:01:41this comments or nightmare fuel they

1:01:42have their friends really good

1:01:44they're very grim they are no oh yeah

1:01:47the word of the day is grim

1:01:50that's you that letter changeup on once

1:01:54upon a time it out that said did anybody

1:01:57see vm the web only series that they did

1:02:00is an interstitial between those cute

1:02:03it's like what you're reading is what it

1:02:05was all my gosh yeah well I like that

1:02:07the production values like it you know

1:02:09yeah I could just

1:02:10it looks like a web thing it's like they

1:02:12gave a guy

1:02:13camera and not much of a budget and

1:02:15going to film this little story point

1:02:17and you know the kind of me trailer for

1:02:20dead island was better than that if you

1:02:21want to go for it but the trailer for

1:02:23dead island probably that's a game by

1:02:24the way about zombies probably cost a

1:02:26lot more than those webisodes

1:02:27so how many times up to the webisodes

1:02:29alright so let's talk about the other

1:02:33ones that I wanted to bring up i want to

1:02:34bring up fringe which is back we talked

1:02:36about that a bit last time I believed

1:02:39she seen ones having a good season two

1:02:41episodes of fringe so far actually i am

1:02:43all cut up and i gotta say i I've really

1:02:45enjoyed this season it's a you remember

1:02:48what I said at the end of the last

1:02:49season though I forget what you say John

1:02:51my prophecy ask my prophecy probably has

1:02:54come to pass and always will be you know

1:02:56Pacey has been erased from history well

1:02:57what has he been dropped from the show

1:02:59now he's still employed so now we have

1:03:00to endure season of well what we're

1:03:02supposed to forgotten but I sense him i

1:03:04said here is the boy and my heart my

1:03:07love for me now open the space-time

1:03:09continuum at that interested me less

1:03:11than Walters interactions with him which

1:03:14is that you know what we basically

1:03:15thinks he's insane

1:03:17I don't want any interactions with him

1:03:19if he's erased from history is written

1:03:21Mystery he's not he's not what I'm

1:03:23liking about the show so far this year

1:03:24is that they they did I thought quite a

1:03:26brilliant thing in the season finale

1:03:27which is create a portal basically merge

1:03:31the two universes together in the sense

1:03:33that there's a portal and you can just

1:03:34walk from one into the other and

1:03:36therefore they in the I told this to

1:03:38dance city in the city

1:03:39yeah yeah exactly and I told i told dan

1:03:42after I'd seen the first episode and

1:03:44he'd already seen the second i said what

1:03:45they need to do is have like a crime

1:03:47that can only be solved by going into

1:03:49the other and he's like oh that's the

1:03:50second episode it's like a little dead

1:03:52that's a great i really a lot of that

1:03:54second episode which was kind of super

1:03:56creepy which basically involved in one

1:03:58universe there's a serial killer and in

1:04:00this universe is a criminology professor

1:04:02so they bring him over to like consult

1:04:04but not telling him that he's the

1:04:06murderer that their consulting on half

1:04:08which I think about halfway through

1:04:10unfortunately it loses they decide they

1:04:13need to accelerate things but like I

1:04:15just sort of SAT there thinking about

1:04:16this would be like the creepiest short

1:04:17story ever like this would be a great

1:04:19short story and I like that I like a lot

1:04:23of the parallel universe stuff they do i

1:04:24love that they brought

1:04:26our universe Lincoln Lee in as the as a

1:04:29sort of partner in the interim I like a

1:04:33lot of the subtle changes in and some

1:04:36not so subtle changes in the way that

1:04:38the characters have developed in this

1:04:40alternative universe because not only is

1:04:42it a parallel universe Peregrino adverse

1:04:45but it's an alternate timeline now too

1:04:47right

1:04:48well so I don't like what they've done

1:04:49with the characters are actually don't

1:04:51think Olivia they've they've made her

1:04:52distinctly different character in some

1:04:54in some small ways

1:04:56Walter obviously is a very different

1:04:57character in many ways like he's

1:04:59basically a shut-in he won't leave the

1:05:00lab you see all of us the good work that

1:05:03Peter has done with him over the past

1:05:04three years has totally been you know

1:05:06undone and worse the dynamics are

1:05:09different you know between the team and

1:05:10in some different ways it's I don't know

1:05:14I really this is this is one of the

1:05:15shows that a key every season it grows

1:05:17on me and and I find I like it more and

1:05:20more so I'm I'm incident now that I've

1:05:23sort of reach far enough that that that

1:05:25Peter has become more part of the

1:05:27equation so I'm interested to see where

1:05:30it goes from here

1:05:31has anybody here does anybody here

1:05:34listen to or have you ever listened to

1:05:35the Phil hungry show

1:05:37oh yeah I don't talk radio variety I'm

1:05:39sure actually have Lisa it will Henry is

1:05:42this this radio talk show host who does

1:05:44his own basically his his Colin guests

1:05:47are you him he's doing the voices and

1:05:49one of the bits that he does from time

1:05:51to time is somebody will put somebody on

1:05:54hold and they'll force their way off of

1:05:56hold their will their way out of all

1:05:58that sort of that sort of i thought of

1:06:01that with with this whole thing with

1:06:02with Peter willing his way out of the

1:06:05you know out of non-existence in the

1:06:07space-time continuum than that it's been

1:06:09good support but you know willing his

1:06:12way out of a sort of a metaphysical hold

1:06:15as it were

1:06:16I like the to Olivia's especially since

1:06:19with the alternate history

1:06:21Olivia in the main universe she's a

1:06:23little bit less of a wet blanket than

1:06:25the old one was so seeing her bounce off

1:06:28of Olivia yeah like in that episode

1:06:30where they crossed over everything that

1:06:31that those two characters interests me

1:06:33because I think we all kind of talk

1:06:35about how we wrote her off a little bit

1:06:37as an actress from the beginning of the

1:06:38first season because

1:06:39it was just kind of blah but then you

1:06:41know once she gets to play that other

1:06:42characters we sort of come alive and I

1:06:43like that interaction i also like to

1:06:45alternate yeah she's more

1:06:47three-dimensional in in within this

1:06:49alternate timeline i also i'm looking

1:06:52forward to greatly the moment when when

1:06:54Lincoln and Lincoln meet because those

1:06:56are two other characters that I think

1:06:57are 50 difference of what they've done

1:07:00such a great job with the alternates of

1:07:02having them be different characters that

1:07:04honestly I go long periods of time

1:07:07watching the show and this is full

1:07:09credit to them not just the special

1:07:10effects but the actors into the with the

1:07:12writers I go I go long periods of time

1:07:15without realizing that i am actually

1:07:18watching the same actor playing both

1:07:21parts because you know Olivia and her

1:07:23duplicate are completely different

1:07:25characters and they do have done a very

1:07:28good job of that it doesn't feel like

1:07:30different mannerisms different speech

1:07:31patterns different yeah it's impressive

1:07:34yeah it's not like you're watching The

1:07:35Parent Trap so they have they have them

1:07:38both in the same wigs that was the best

1:07:39part because the full Livia is trying to

1:07:41round up like a little but you can still

1:07:42tell me tell us are even though she's

1:07:44trying to look exactly like the other

1:07:45one and apparently in and another little

1:07:48twist we have the apparently Broyles is

1:07:51still alive in the afternoon in the

1:07:52canyons they changed history

1:07:54simplysilent that was a parallel

1:07:56universe alternate timeline that was

1:07:57suddenly done actually where they talk

1:07:59about Broyles so I am I turned to I'm

1:08:01like I don't know why I think he was

1:08:03dead so and but it's just like you know

1:08:05nobody was here because in that whole

1:08:08incident where the full Olivia was in

1:08:10our universe yeah and so that ever

1:08:13happened because Peter was never there

1:08:15yeah it's it's uh yeah it's it's a quite

1:08:17a mind-bending kind of thing but it's an

1:08:19enjoyable time enjoying it i really am

1:08:21having a good series with that i'm

1:08:22looking forward to the future episodes

1:08:24and I know there are I heard they're

1:08:25bringing back jared harris who I really

1:08:27loved as an antagonist the from mad men

1:08:31alright so i want to also mention before

1:08:34we go one more show on my list that i

1:08:37want to miss this community which is a

1:08:38sitcom

1:08:39so why even bring it up but first off

1:08:42you're listening to this podcast you

1:08:43have a watch community

1:08:44you owe it to yourself to watch it just

1:08:47try it i think there is there so much in

1:08:50there that that people have a gear

1:08:52persuasion

1:08:53will love that one episode in particular

1:08:56which is called remedial chaos theory in

1:08:58which the characters live a seven

1:09:02different alternate timelines based on

1:09:04who goes downstairs to get the pizza is

1:09:08one of the funniest things i've i've

1:09:10seen on TV and like five or ten years

1:09:12great episode and then you you you nerds

1:09:16out there may also appreciate the

1:09:18running gag this season where one of the

1:09:20characters Abed discovers a new TV show

1:09:23that is my favorite show which is called

1:09:26Inspector Spacetime which may resemble

1:09:28other long-running British shows a or

1:09:33not as i understand it there's another

1:09:35particular british show which is

1:09:37basically just a ripoff of Inspector

1:09:38Spacetime yes yes it is a knockoff of

1:09:41its an inspector spacetime is a is a

1:09:43British police inspector who with his

1:09:48partner who is a a British cop with a

1:09:51big tall Hatton and a nightstick they

1:09:54travel in a phone booth through time and

1:09:57space and so it's a long-running show

1:09:59has been on since the sixties yes yes

1:10:02inspector spacetime anyway so that's

1:10:04that's in there and and and remedial

1:10:07chaos theory fantastic episode with

1:10:09multiple timelines great show lots of

1:10:12insane premises that make it that's what

1:10:15makes it not just your regular your

1:10:16regular run-of-the-mill sitcom they they

1:10:18try very hard to do kind of outlandish

1:10:21episodes and i love i love community

1:10:24dearly so i want to recommend it and

1:10:27this season has 100% more John Goodman

1:10:29which yes it does with animals percent

1:10:32more Omar from the wire and yes I work

1:10:35for the wires in it as I was rather than

1:10:38one of my favorite random aside moments

1:10:41in this entire season is what happened

1:10:42to legos you'll know what I'm talking

1:10:46about it and I didn't know what he was

1:10:48talking about

1:10:49yes yes I know exactly anybody of a

1:10:52certain age knows exactly what it is

1:10:54talking about yeah

1:10:55yes none of these conversations I'm

1:10:57having make any sense but that's

1:10:59it's a love that show clearly that they

1:11:04gonna do a puppet episode in musical

1:11:05episode 2i it's only a matter of time

1:11:07they've done a claymation episode so

1:11:09they did they did and the dungeons

1:11:11dragons contest last year which was a

1:11:12fantastic summer houses and yes

1:11:16paintball episodes each other so many

1:11:17good so many good episodes yes you do it

1:11:19to yourself to watch watch community

1:11:21placement any other shows coming back at

1:11:23you guys particularly like that you want

1:11:25to give a public to announce the time we

1:11:26have a conversation with myself about

1:11:28supernatural season 7 has been excellent

1:11:30conversation with myself about haven but

1:11:34that's just it'sit's another

1:11:35entertaining little it's the end of the

1:11:37week you don't want to think too hard

1:11:38its favorite starfish

1:11:40yes I find network that the amanda

1:11:43tapping protects an alien animals from

1:11:45now you know that's what everyone know

1:11:49anybody that show is the real so yeah

1:11:51that's been sanctuary oh that I think

1:11:54you should see century seems like it

1:11:56should be about months and visualization

1:11:58sanctuary

1:12:00yeah it's absolutely it's yeah

1:12:01absolutely no this is basic basically

1:12:05it's a show where the episodes have here

1:12:07you're an FAA ran an FBI agent who may

1:12:10or may not actually that page

1:12:12she's not sure has to deal is is exiled

1:12:15to a small main town where and she deals

1:12:17with a freak of the week while also

1:12:18unraveling kuester ultimately this is

1:12:21based on a stephen king it was nominally

1:12:24based on going to sweat it okay yeah in

1:12:26that they were both written in english

1:12:28language haha well takes place in Maine

1:12:30come on yes that's what i think is

1:12:32copyrighted mean by this point hasn't

1:12:34yes that's what you want higher state of

1:12:36Maine to get a permission from Stephen

1:12:38King to film in Maine or to say they

1:12:40were filming me

1:12:41yeah purgatory this man okay so Haven so

1:12:45Haven so it's it's it's it's funny it's

1:12:47it's it's got a nice light sensing about

1:12:49itself and they give give people credit

1:12:51for for being able to pay attention from

1:12:53week to week but they it's also good

1:12:54show did in and out if you don't want to

1:12:56pay a lot of attention and have slowed

1:12:57decompression of a plot over an entire

1:12:59season write and draw and sorry dan dan

1:13:02loves supernatural why you know I i will

1:13:05say i will say that that grim is a poor

1:13:06man supernatural sorry SI it is you have

1:13:10never seen maybe for natural but I don't

1:13:12get it does

1:13:12it does the it does it better does the

1:13:15supernatural the creepy strange

1:13:18creatures and monsters thing it does it

1:13:20better but their know-how there no there

1:13:23no teen teen heartthrobs and grandma do

1:13:25you think that guy wasn't cast because

1:13:27it's a heartthrob really knows cast

1:13:30because the guy who looks like branded

1:13:32rufiyaa for her superb acting ability

1:13:35yeah you're just clearly alright

1:13:37supernatural so if you like rim you love

1:13:40supernatural travel back in time eight

1:13:42years and watch that instead it's all

1:13:44gonna be on netflix oh it's very good

1:13:46then I'll watch it right all right any

1:13:50other returning shows we should we

1:13:52should make the listeners aware of what

1:13:54my sunday nights a banish my wife from

1:13:57the liver and because you cannot watch

1:13:58walking dead because it's too tense for

1:14:00her and then after walking dead i watch

1:14:02dexter so Dexter is back and she she can

1:14:05tell you like to unwind on sunday nights

1:14:07but you're telling i do I like to watch

1:14:08zombies in serial killers any and then

1:14:11you're covered in blood and need to

1:14:12rinse off before center time

1:14:14ah ok any other shows before we go any

1:14:17other things you'd like to recommend any

1:14:19play shows i watch that I'm not gonna

1:14:20recommend alright so so on that note now

1:14:24that we've given people I it's like a

1:14:27dozen shows they can watch only a few of

1:14:30which we actually recommend so we

1:14:32basically wasted

1:14:34not only this hour of the listeners time

1:14:37but many other hours of their lives will

1:14:39be watching these TV shows that we're

1:14:41job well done

1:14:42tweet me if you want to watch revenge on

1:14:43pacific time that's very good LOL

1:14:46Schwyzer anything wanna watch revenge on

1:14:48pacific time and join in the fun

1:14:51the Hamptons will never be the same

1:14:53after the revenge is wrought

1:14:55Oh or other thing altitude into revenge

1:14:58but of course i will end up watching

1:15:00process but it's got it he's got to this

1:15:04TV is like what there's only private the

1:15:06only show that's on its right again

1:15:08every channel its prime suspect

1:15:11its main irate Scott's TV lady no it's

1:15:15not that's right

1:15:15soon we'll find Scott and he'll be where

1:15:18Maria Bello goes to the Hamptons prevent

1:15:21yeah so so we've now covered many many

1:15:25shows from the falsies

1:15:26is only hope we've maybe maybe made you

1:15:28interested in something that you were

1:15:30otherwise not interested in or maybe or

1:15:33maybe lisa has frightened you away from

1:15:35American Horror Story oh no I guess that

1:15:37this thing is it is a work of lunatic

1:15:41I wouldn't say brilliance maybe it's

1:15:43just shiny blue tick shininess yeah and

1:15:47shiny and when in doubt just ask scott

1:15:49Mykelti and he'll tell you that the show

1:15:51he's watching his prime suspect

1:15:52exactly check that out of things we've

1:15:54learned profits prime suspect all the

1:15:56way down all the way down if you turn

1:15:58lbc on chances are prime suspect but

1:16:00suspect will be on unless its community

1:16:02it was a prime suspect

1:16:04so until next time I want to thank my

1:16:06guess who watch a lot of TV which is

1:16:09nice because i don't have enough time to

1:16:11watch all that myself I have to delegate

1:16:13tv-watching to others it's this is my

1:16:15life so thank you to Scotland LT thank

1:16:19you very much thank you for watching TV

1:16:21and and I'm and you and your wife need

1:16:24to work out some sort of deal where you

1:16:26don't have to watch a gifted man if she

1:16:29doesn't have to watch the walking dead

1:16:30that's that is true i don't want to

1:16:32watch it but i think i'm going to okay

1:16:35well it was nice knowing you I'm sorry

1:16:37John siracusa thank you for thank you

1:16:39for being here as always thank you all

1:16:42for validating my decision is not to

1:16:44watch certain show that's right you get

1:16:46a delegation it's great teamwork

1:16:48teamwork you don't have to watch all the

1:16:50shows other people watch them for you

1:16:52been boy check thank you very much for

1:16:55being here and I I loved your enthusiasm

1:16:58about boss I felt like you and Scott

1:17:00made a connection

1:17:01yes and thank you for having me now go

1:17:03to hell of a lot of you that's well said

1:17:08that the boss everybody plus dan more'n

1:17:12thanks for being here and thanks for

1:17:13plugging supernatural you

1:17:15oh I will plug it to my dying gay

1:17:18payment from the dreamy boy supernatural

1:17:21will be in the mail that that's not

1:17:24actually that sounds pretty sweet yeah i

1:17:26have a bunch of other shows that i would

1:17:28but i don't wanna be laughed at anymore

1:17:29haha for to him we're walking your one

1:17:34now Jason yeah now we're gonna forget

1:17:38don't forget okay we'll leave it where

1:17:39it is and Lisa Schmeisser thank you as

1:17:43always for being on it was a pleasure

1:17:45thank you

1:17:46until next time you've got lots of goat

1:17:48TV go watch TV now because we're done

1:17:50until next time for the uncomfortable

1:17:52thanks for listening

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1:18:10today I'm really have more embarrassing

1:18:13shows than revenge revenge not

1:18:16embarrassing at all to go back

1:18:17supernaturals way more embarrassing but

1:18:20I don't know and I haven't seen either

1:18:22one but I've heard them now both of them

1:18:23described at length and I don't know

1:18:27so Dan rally rally shows often

1:18:30yeah well I don't I got a lot of ones

1:18:32that probably people do i mean i I'm

1:18:34sorry no fires just even it up castle by

1:18:38Catherine hood

1:18:40I hate pad I like to experiment I hawaii

1:18:44five-o oh yeah watched perception psych

1:18:48always watching that this really like it

1:18:51burn notice is coming back its back to

1:18:54give him more work Jason over to fairs

1:18:58as it just scratches that's terrible spy

1:19:00itch i have how is this even possible

1:19:03it's wasn't on tape because that

1:19:05terrible spy it i have would be an

1:19:06awesome awesome title and I mean I'm

1:19:08still working on today-- operator

1:19:10recording as well

1:19:11yes for anything else on my list that i

1:19:14didn't actually mention i think that

1:19:15pretty much I mean uh no one mentioned

1:19:17parks rec that's actually good show that

1:19:18is hard to recognize you already have no

1:19:20shame i have no shame about parks

1:19:21recreation know it's a lot of shows it's

1:19:23a great show i watch a lot of TV I live

1:19:25alone John here

1:19:27oh no kids lives alone why it kept him

1:19:31to get this your bodies in the freezer

1:19:32really but speaking of dexter uh I love

1:19:36dexter I also my wife makes me watch The

1:19:38Good Wife which I actually like my wife

1:19:41my wife watches that too i can't i can't

1:19:42do it i is going on I got to that was a

1:19:45reference to the good wife on

1:19:46supernatural huh

1:19:48it is the gateway to all knowledge

1:19:51basically yes through their dance

1:19:54unified supernatural field Barack

1:19:56Obama's your bicycle and supernatural is

1:19:58dancing spaced yep it is pretty much it

1:20:02has become that this year now that I've

1:20:04watched all of it

1:20:05okay I'm gonna hang up now now that we

1:20:07know the secret of damn shame which is

1:20:09that he watches I'm suspects about the

1:20:12site don't watch

1:20:15I don't want this is--that's be i only

1:20:18watch prime suspect family get me

1:20:20confused my arch-nemesis exact not

1:20:22Scott's world it's like I like that

1:20:24there's the prime suspect with a woman

1:20:26in the Hat is the prime suspect for the

1:20:27two guys who solve crime

1:20:29I'm suspect that's the sitcom on prime

1:20:31suspect where she talks to her dead

1:20:33husband that's right it's in the show

1:20:35has surprising rain shine Dennis the Hat

1:20:39is the only after week everyone with

1:20:41something to have you think it's

1:20:42something different no I like it