0:00:03the incomparable podcast 65 November
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0:00:15welcome to another edition of the
0:00:17incomparable podcast I'm Jason smell
0:00:20your host today we are going to be
0:00:22talking about fall television lots of
0:00:24new shows premiering with interest
0:00:27interesting premises and some sci-fi and
0:00:30some other things that are of interest
0:00:31to our are great listeners out there as
0:00:34well as some returning shows that we
0:00:35talked about before so to survey the
0:00:37landscape of fall television
0:00:40i'm joined by a tremendous cast of
0:00:43characters here today Scott Mykelti
0:00:46hello Scott
0:00:48hello i enjoy watching television I know
0:00:50that about you
0:00:51you're well-read and well watched I do
0:00:54sometimes I read and watch TV at the
0:00:56same time watching you right now John
0:00:59siracusa as well as here hi John
0:01:01hello Jason you are fewer of televised
0:01:03entertainment are you i just came from
0:01:06the television room
0:01:07Wow see so you're fresh you're ready to
0:01:09go
0:01:10well you have a whole room dedicated to
0:01:12tell us right that that is how serious
0:01:14you are that that's I like that level of
0:01:16dedication interviewer ben boychuk is
0:01:18also here this is to podcast in a row
0:01:20for you we are your your honor you're on
0:01:22a roll
0:01:23yeah I'm in such trouble with my family
0:01:25though yeah i'm going to be killed in my
0:01:27sleep too much
0:01:28podcasting I'm gonna have to really make
0:01:30this one count ok that's good podcast as
0:01:33if it was your last podcast on earth
0:01:35precisely alright damn moron who is on
0:01:38every podcast on earth is also here I
0:01:40damn Jason I'm not a television
0:01:43character but I play one on TV
0:01:44mm-hmm I'm sure you came up with that
0:01:47just now I'd actually did come up that's
0:01:49just good
0:01:51alright I like like that lack of
0:01:52preparation it fits with my life battery
0:01:54that's what i do i roll with the punches
0:01:56yes i'm a punch you later and Lisa
0:01:59Schmeisser also joins us hi Lisa
0:02:01I pleasure to be here it is great to
0:02:04have you here we'll see if you're still
0:02:06saying that at the end of the spot
0:02:08because like the feeling's mutual
0:02:10yes yes I'm alright so are interesting
0:02:15lots lots of new kind of genre related
0:02:19shows this fall which is funny because
0:02:22on one level like I kind of wondered if
0:02:23they would learn their lesson from some
0:02:26of the the the shows like the flash for
0:02:29words and the like of last season but
0:02:30know if we've learned anything about TV
0:02:32networks they never learn
0:02:35so we got another batch it's a pretty
0:02:38bleak landscape i was talking about i
0:02:40was having dinner with a friend earlier
0:02:41and we were sort of going through all
0:02:43the new especially in the hour-long
0:02:44department
0:02:45it is a pretty colors room oh I don't
0:02:50know
0:02:50podcast is over I was not I was not very
0:02:52excited about this fall and then
0:02:54actually I I think there's a lot of
0:02:58decent hour long new series out there
0:03:00decent nothing that i'm super excited
0:03:03about well that's the problem right it
0:03:05that a lot of these shows are almost
0:03:06more offensive in their mediocrity to me
0:03:08you know that may be that may be so but
0:03:11there's one I'm kind of excited about
0:03:13there's just one time there's one kind
0:03:15of excited about to so there's a 10 x I
0:03:18in fact discovering that one last week
0:03:20kind of turned me around about the
0:03:21season like ooh there's a show i'm
0:03:23interested in and under a solution so
0:03:25I'm sorry there's two short shows that i
0:03:27like this season one of them however is
0:03:29so far outside the realm of being
0:03:30comfortable that we shouldn't even bring
0:03:31it up
0:03:32no no we should now now now you're now
0:03:34you're in its revenge all my god you
0:03:37guys watching revenge in time i actually
0:03:40heard kind of kind of good things about
0:03:41that i I've never been heard of that
0:03:43it's a girl in the Hamptons and she
0:03:46hates all the people i'm kind of a
0:03:48sucker I do i do love Emily VanCamp
0:03:50she's awesome it is it on the CW know
0:03:53it's ABC hate well the ABC ABC is a
0:03:56ritual it features walking lab
0:03:59experiment madeleine stowe and as the
0:04:02queen of the Hamptons and then we
0:04:03vancamp as the girl who's going to take
0:04:06her down because madeleine stowe
0:04:07participated in the scheme that somehow
0:04:10got her father convicted of treason and
0:04:12he died in ignominy and it is the most
0:04:15deliciously soapy thing I've ever seen
0:04:16in my life and I say this is somebody
0:04:18who was a dedicated viewer of the
0:04:20original beverly hills 90210 and melrose
0:04:22place it just it's gone lunatic just in
0:04:25the first few episodes alone we've
0:04:26already got dumb us sliding kinsey scale
0:04:30sexuality blackmail going on as and a
0:04:33really annoying high tech billionaire
0:04:34who's decided to get involved just for
0:04:36kicks and a little bit of class warfare
0:04:38two bar and
0:04:40every time and now there's a secret
0:04:41tripled stripper doppelganger who was
0:04:42just introducing the latest episode of
0:04:44season pass right now
0:04:46yeah I have subscribing that's right so
0:04:49I got any at stripper doppelganger and
0:04:51the problem is I yeah I i will hulu at
0:04:53work occasionally just to just to just
0:04:55to get a refresher because it's just
0:04:56that good and the problem with healing
0:04:57something like this at work is is you
0:04:59you find yourself now you know when
0:05:01you're supposed to be buckling down and
0:05:02it's a chance to talk to the television
0:05:03show it is
0:05:05and honestly I wish I wish that more of
0:05:07my girlfriends or heck even boyfriends
0:05:09lived closer to me so that we could all
0:05:11get together on wednesday nights and
0:05:13watch it and screw scream at the screen
0:05:14together because it's mind-bogglingly
0:05:17good fund it is addictive
0:05:19I don't want to like it and my wife
0:05:22started watching it and I said I this is
0:05:24silly soapy nonsense but then you kind
0:05:26of get hooked and pretty soon I'm
0:05:29sitting down on the couch and and I'm as
0:05:31rapidly attend to it is as anything so
0:05:35yeah you're like what will the ball be
0:05:37this week is it is it a charity gala is
0:05:39that the fourth of July at every week we
0:05:42have a big a big fancy charity shindig
0:05:44was just introducing the second yes and
0:05:46that's what does that happen
0:05:48yeah sure shot in the Hamptons are no oh
0:05:50god now completely and like Long Beach
0:05:54yeah
0:05:55oh so sad yeah but it's another show on
0:05:57USA that's it in the Hamptons royal
0:05:59pains royal pains there you go
0:06:01hold me closer tiny doctors we call this
0:06:07is not how i thought this podcast we go
0:06:09no this is good I they were all getting
0:06:11our skeletons out of the closet now
0:06:12yeah it's good it's good should it would
0:06:16anybody else like to talk about shows
0:06:17they're watching that aren't we just
0:06:20start with off topic and then hope that
0:06:22have later we moved to all of you what
0:06:23let's off topic i mean well as John and
0:06:26John and I were talking before before
0:06:28about a homeland which I don't think
0:06:32necessarily falls straight into you know
0:06:34are sort of typical wheelhouse but again
0:06:37i will hire 32 spy a spy thriller and I
0:06:40and I love i'm a geek for spy thrillers
0:06:42so so there you go i it i would say so
0:06:46far and I and I again I've alive
0:06:48watch mostly pilots of other things it
0:06:50is probably the best new show of the
0:06:53entire
0:06:53that's all c's that's Claire Danes
0:06:55contains Damien loose right who you
0:06:58might recognize from LA and the brothers
0:07:00and life life which showed that I i like
0:07:02to smell good job cancelled and a man
0:07:07can't be taken as as other dances good
0:07:10using some of anything he's great in bed
0:07:12well I think he's he's awesome in this
0:07:14show so far but you forgot the most
0:07:16important one
0:07:18Inara marina marina avatars yeah that's
0:07:21Rebecca and David Harewood a British
0:07:24actor who has appeared in a couple I
0:07:26think he appeared in one of the Doctor
0:07:28Who end of time maybe the doctor who was
0:07:31like that rich reclusive billionaire
0:07:33whatever terrible character terrible
0:07:35character but I like him he also
0:07:36appeared on the BBC robin hood as Friar
0:07:39Tuck but he plays sort of a CIA middle
0:07:42management guy who's angling for a for a
0:07:44better a better job so the premise here
0:07:46is that is that Damian Lewis returns
0:07:50from like a spider hole in Afghanistan
0:07:52or go somewhere and he's basically been
0:07:54you know in this like captured by
0:07:56terrorists and held for eight years and
0:07:58he gets rescued and claire danes
0:08:01character suspect that he may be he may
0:08:04have been turned
0:08:05during his capture but she basically has
0:08:07this information
0:08:08nobody else really knows this
0:08:12information that she has and so she sort
0:08:14of goes out on a limb to try and prove
0:08:16it and what I like about it so far is
0:08:18that it really
0:08:19despite the fact that you know you was
0:08:21the viewer kind of know what's going on
0:08:22because you see stuff sort of omission
0:08:24Lee her character clearly is you know
0:08:28right in in sort of like straddling the
0:08:32line she does a lot of questionable
0:08:33things and she does a lot of things that
0:08:35don't seem to pay off so she's got this
0:08:38theory and she started sticking to it
0:08:39and trying to prove it but she's not
0:08:42making a lot of headway and sort of in
0:08:44each episode she gets like maybe a
0:08:45little bit closer but she's still kind
0:08:48of on the outside looking in and so I
0:08:51kind of enjoy that sort of uphill
0:08:53struggle from her and there's some
0:08:54things with her that make her arguably
0:08:56sort of unreliable as a character very
0:09:00tactful way of putting it
0:09:03yeah but she's I I you know without
0:09:05giving too much away about it but its
0:09:08life it was one of probably the only
0:09:09pilot i watched and was immediately
0:09:11thinking I have to have to watch the
0:09:13next episode because it ends on
0:09:15something that's very subtle but is also
0:09:18kind of this huge shift you know she
0:09:20spends his whole pilot trying to prove
0:09:21this fact and she least get somebody to
0:09:24come around your point of view at the
0:09:25end but in what it turns out to be a
0:09:27fairly minor sort of Revelation I think
0:09:30am I think the pilot is was maybe still
0:09:33is available for free for people yeah
0:09:35and to think you could stream it online
0:09:37although it is obviously censored in on
0:09:39on shows its show time so there is some
0:09:41stuff to censor so if you wanna see the
0:09:44good parts
0:09:45yeah you don't want to be sensor all
0:09:47right i want ya i was vision why John
0:09:51saying that but that's the thought you
0:09:53open you know episode 1 let's cut to the
0:09:56chase here here's why you want to keep
0:09:57watching this program and then you know
0:09:58you know even the first episode of
0:10:00stargate had boobs in it
0:10:02yeah but never again I kept watching for
0:10:05eight long years wow that's Teddy power
0:10:09of the many ways I don't know about a
0:10:11show that is really really its subtle
0:10:13which I like in a thriller I mean it's
0:10:15kinda like a lot more of a john mccrae
0:10:17angle to it it's not entirely
0:10:20over-the-top things will blow up every
0:10:22week it's not 24 it's got yes it's got a
0:10:26much more it's got a much slower burn to
0:10:28it i really appreciate that it keeps you
0:10:30going and keep every week I finished
0:10:32that the show and I think holy crap i
0:10:34wish i had the right the next episode
0:10:36right now because it's that I'm adding
0:10:38grossmont yeah I just caught up on the
0:10:41series i watched the first episode of it
0:10:43yesterday and watch the last episode of
0:10:45it today so it tells you what kind of
0:10:46draw dad for my life are the best thing
0:10:49i've seen this season what it reminds me
0:10:51most of his season 1 of The Sopranos and
0:10:54that they're building tension like
0:10:57every person in the show I yeah Dan
0:11:01mentioned the claire danes was like you
0:11:03know kind of odd not kind of unreliable
0:11:06and strange not really like your shining
0:11:07knight and the one you're rooting for
0:11:09anything like that everyone in the show
0:11:11has something about them that's off
0:11:13including like the supposed antagonist
0:11:15think the the guy who's been turned like
0:11:17as Dan was saying they're leading you
0:11:19since you as the the viewer see things
0:11:22that no one else sees you know you see
0:11:23everything you feel like you have a
0:11:25pretty good idea of what the truth is
0:11:27but even if you know even if you're
0:11:30pretty sure that you know what's going
0:11:32on the characters involved in it don't
0:11:34are like real people are not sure that
0:11:37their that they're able to or are
0:11:40willing to or want to go through with
0:11:41the thing you think they're gonna do
0:11:43everybody the good guys the bad guys the
0:11:45guys you think about guys do you think
0:11:46are good guys
0:11:47nobody is like an automaton machine who
0:11:49just does what they want to do
0:11:50everybody's got problems everybody is
0:11:52uncertain and it's all that the
0:11:54mellowness is what's great about it
0:11:55because you you know i don't know what
0:11:57the budget is the show but like there's
0:11:58no explosions no car chases
0:12:00there's very little that you know
0:12:02gunfire anything like that it's just a
0:12:04good character story that's slowly
0:12:07building tension now this is the type of
0:12:09series where you've all depend on how
0:12:11they resolve this story because they're
0:12:14obviously they're building some kind of
0:12:15story here and say well how far how many
0:12:17seasons this can you do it eventually
0:12:18we're going to find out
0:12:19will your warranty is here isn't he does
0:12:22the thing I think gonna happen not going
0:12:23to happen and like how do you do season
0:12:252 and how to do season 3 and so on and
0:12:26so forth so they can still mess this up
0:12:28but that i highly recommend this show
0:12:31for all the reasons you might want to
0:12:33watch a show it reminds me a little bit
0:12:35of my favorite show from last year which
0:12:36I know John liked as well which was
0:12:38Terriers which was another show that had
0:12:39a very slow build to it and i think this
0:12:42is teenagers was much more laid back
0:12:44than this though
0:12:45yes is like this is like fighting you
0:12:47know yeah so I shouldn't watch this
0:12:49because it's going to get cancelled
0:12:50no I think it's on showtime so okay
0:12:53there you go
0:12:53yeah it's already it's already been
0:12:55renewed you've got washed away skycable
0:12:57guarantee all right yeah the gray cable
0:12:59guarantees the first time that's a great
0:13:01recommendation
0:13:02let's uh move on and talk about
0:13:05Oh we'll go from serious nail-biting
0:13:10the post the iraq war terrorism to
0:13:13dinosaurs in the past through a time
0:13:16portal about that who that would be I
0:13:18speak of Terra Nova on song started
0:13:21yeah terranova sort of vaguely Stargate
0:13:25and it actually the people behind it are
0:13:27our mother it's a bunch of Star Trek
0:13:28producers plus Steven Spielberg although
0:13:31i'm always dubious about how he's how
0:13:33much she's involved in anything
0:13:35hands on is he gonna be with this you
0:13:36drop by the office once you know you
0:13:38know I i will say that i think he is he
0:13:41is not like super involved but there's
0:13:42something about this that reminds me of
0:13:44like you're you're very average
0:13:46Spielberg film like the worst of
0:13:48Spielberg I think well I mean Spielberg
0:13:50but like mediocre right like and I think
0:13:52on that TV his TV work is actually
0:13:54generally really poor
0:13:56yeah i mean but in film on talking he
0:13:58gets that I don't think he gets the
0:13:59medium
0:14:00yeah it's it's it's a weird show it's
0:14:03not as bad as I thought it would be but
0:14:05it's not i think it's pretty terrible
0:14:07oh it's it's it's squandered potential
0:14:10it's one potential that's exactly what i
0:14:12was going to say is I thought the pilot
0:14:14was pretty good in that it sets up the
0:14:16scenario where your you've got a blank
0:14:19canvas right you've got these people
0:14:21they're back in time there from the
0:14:22future they they've they're sending from
0:14:24a dystopic future not right future right
0:14:27I thought that was the coolest part of
0:14:28the whole show on asleep while rising
0:14:30more the future or the so well that's
0:14:32the nice thing about it is that they
0:14:33can't go back but people come from the
0:14:35future they continue to come in waves
0:14:37from the future and they can do some
0:14:39communication back there and there's
0:14:41some some imagination since the politics
0:14:44and I I thought that was I thought the
0:14:46setup was pretty good i mean there's
0:14:48some weirdnesses apparently in the
0:14:49original pilot the husband and wife who
0:14:52have been separated because he was put
0:14:54in jail for lying about having having a
0:14:57kid right so the the husband-wife in the
0:15:01original unaired pilot they were their
0:15:03marriage was was on the outside actually
0:15:05the reason that they had the third kid
0:15:06was to try and save their marriage or
0:15:07somehow and they took that out which is
0:15:10weird but what's even weirder is like in
0:15:11the second episode they're introduced
0:15:13this guy who was her old boyfriend and
0:15:15there's supposed to be some tension
0:15:16there except it's very clear that they
0:15:18had to take that out when they decided
0:15:20not to have their marriage be in trouble
0:15:21so there's it
0:15:23no tension oh that's a huge narrative
0:15:26mistake because this show would have
0:15:28been okay i thought this show could have
0:15:30been delightfully creepy if it turns out
0:15:32that Elizabeth had been recruited by a
0:15:35next lover who was thinking hey your
0:15:36husband's in jail you're going to be
0:15:38several million years in the past
0:15:40how's it going around that you know
0:15:42that's what it should be about it's got
0:15:44dinosaurs is not speaking about our
0:15:46marriage is on the rocks a sleep but
0:15:48doesn't make me creepy setup is all so
0:15:50kids I'm your new dad in the past and
0:15:53happy because we haven't nothing just
0:15:55drop that angle
0:15:56well you did I think I think the push
0:15:58and hold that I heard just hear about
0:16:00how it's got dinosaurs do we want
0:16:01characters like well i was actually
0:16:03thinking that setting you know telling
0:16:05stories about interesting people
0:16:07interesting characters it with this with
0:16:09this kind of in interesting world that
0:16:10they're in this backdrop could be good
0:16:13unfortunately the second episode is a is
0:16:16a star trek episode it's basically
0:16:18there's a scary kind of dinosaur threat
0:16:20that threatens the ship I mean the
0:16:22colony in made up and the spoiler horn
0:16:26and talk specifics because it was really
0:16:28like the dumbest premise multiple shorts
0:16:33the third episode just also a bad Star
0:16:36Trek rice right that's the one that
0:16:37maybe I actually didn't even watch it
0:16:39because i saw the preview for where it
0:16:40said a virus that erases their memory
0:16:43temporarily and I'm like I don't like
0:16:45that episode of Star Trek do you need
0:16:47and that was my thought was you've got
0:16:49interesting premise and you've got and
0:16:52you've got submit some vaguely
0:16:53interesting characters you clearly got a
0:16:55budget for hunt for like hi
0:16:57special-effects you're doing
0:16:58high-concept sci-fi of the week it's
0:17:00like you're on a mainstream network
0:17:02you've got a sci-fi premise you don't
0:17:03need to syfy it up any further
0:17:05you've got dinosaurs you got people from
0:17:07the future who are now in the past you
0:17:09don't need a sci-fi virus as one of my
0:17:12one of my family members who is a big
0:17:14sci-fi fan said like you know pick one
0:17:17right like pick one thing that's
0:17:18different right
0:17:19yeah I was gonna say there's too much
0:17:21stuff in the show Yeah Yeah Yeah
0:17:22dinosaurs done you can make a they can
0:17:25make decisions with you decent things
0:17:26with the dinosaurs Oh big made up
0:17:28dinosaurs you've got all these people
0:17:30coming from a dystopian future when
0:17:32orange is a freakin big deal and all of
0:17:34a sudden they're put into this pass
0:17:35where there's just this profusion of
0:17:37strange flora and fauna and are like
0:17:39home time to patrol the fence that's
0:17:41over with giant vines and keep out the
0:17:43dinosaurs
0:17:43no yeah there's no wonder there's a
0:17:46whole world to explore with things that
0:17:48they don't even know we're out there and
0:17:51instead they sit behind the fence and
0:17:52occasionally they'll be like oh geez
0:17:54there's a dinosaur killing people we
0:17:57let's investigate bad and it's really
0:17:58just like that towards the dangerous
0:18:00this is crazy
0:18:01we're mix of of some innovative things
0:18:04and then complete retreat into just
0:18:07clichés it's it's really disappointing
0:18:09also apparently none of these people
0:18:11were formed by their dystopia hate yeah
0:18:15they're all just hanging out by college
0:18:16students know because in the pilot they
0:18:18call those billboards about how family
0:18:20is for and apparently having more than
0:18:21two children is is a grave enough
0:18:23offense where you can get tossed into
0:18:24jail for by the population police
0:18:27yes and you've got this family to jets
0:18:29into the past with five people one of
0:18:31whom you know was was brought in a
0:18:33freaking backpack and their embraced
0:18:35with open arms by the entire Terranova
0:18:37colony you can't tell me that can send
0:18:40it back i guess we'll know but the thing
0:18:42is people could treat them with
0:18:43discussed earlier pariahs aurealis right
0:18:45ulong breaker and instead their own gym
0:18:48whatever did we do before you came along
0:18:50to enforce laws that we haven't actually
0:18:52ratified listen to the future right they
0:18:54seemed like people from the President as
0:18:55if they'd forgotten that they're from a
0:18:57dystopian future
0:18:58well except for except for Steven
0:18:59language there's just like a play the
0:19:01same role you play never huh slightly
0:19:03mellower you know i will say something
0:19:04about Stephen Lang I like something i
0:19:07still get me wrong you know yeah I like
0:19:08him to the thing I'm glad about at least
0:19:11so far in terra nova is that it was so
0:19:14obvious going on it's like oh they're
0:19:15gonna cast him as this mean guy who's in
0:19:18charge of the colonies going to be a
0:19:19jerk and they're gonna have he's going
0:19:20to be the antagonist and they haven't
0:19:22he's actually like he's kind of a jerk
0:19:24how he's just he's kinda gruff right but
0:19:26not rough but he's got the best interest
0:19:28of the colony of heart more lesson and
0:19:30and and i like that because when you've
0:19:32got that whole weird someone to keep him
0:19:35to write with his likes honest he hasn't
0:19:37he has a dark secret to assure you know
0:19:39the real deal is with the the actual
0:19:40anti- for taken from ready player one
0:19:42right they just brought them right over
0:19:44the sensors
0:19:45yeah like said the icon that is all
0:19:47about my problem is that so they can't
0:19:49seem to decide they have dinosaurs
0:19:51attack and then they have some kind of
0:19:53family drama they want to do and then
0:19:54there's a virus and that is just oh god
0:19:58the episode with him like I would like
0:19:59to court her daughter just that it's all
0:20:02kind of all those plot-wise need to just
0:20:04die
0:20:04yeah and then there's the rebellious
0:20:06teenager I've got to go out and sneak
0:20:08outside the fence my first things i hate
0:20:11me exactly i don't know anything about
0:20:12this place but i'm going to sneak out
0:20:13and have some moonshine with people I
0:20:15just met because that seems like a good
0:20:16idea
0:20:17you think I really think I would have
0:20:19been bowled a bold and insensible
0:20:21artistic decision to kill that kid
0:20:23mmm pilot that would've been awesome and
0:20:25then Stephen like have been like see
0:20:26this is why you don't go outside the
0:20:28fence mother's now your family only has
0:20:32four jerks
0:20:34yes yeah well I mean it would have been
0:20:36a very different show up they showed up
0:20:37and he said about pic to kill third one
0:20:40well that's wonderful and i were
0:20:42thinking we're gonna do we were really
0:20:43disappointed when they didn't I mean
0:20:45that this is clearly a beautiful
0:20:47reoriented show right boxes trying to
0:20:48get the family so we all agree that the
0:20:50story in the premise they're just
0:20:52squandering it right but you like let's
0:20:54just put that aside and just look at
0:20:55every other aspect of the show the
0:20:57script
0:20:58another thing they're not just so and
0:21:00write whatever gets the job done stupid
0:21:02the individual actors chosen ROK
0:21:04individually but like think of the
0:21:06husband and the wife no chemistry and
0:21:07biochemistry at all then the girl who i
0:21:09love Don King's is just completely flat
0:21:11here I have no interest in her like
0:21:13everything is no interesting character
0:21:14actors is just not done
0:21:16no Steve laying it is coming well the
0:21:20thing is is jason o'mara is not a bad
0:21:22actor and he was very good and life on
0:21:24Mars it's just whoever is guiding his
0:21:26career keeps getting into real stinkers
0:21:27because his accent is for his fake
0:21:30accent I barely even recognized him from
0:21:32life on Mars know you mentioned i say oh
0:21:34yeah that is that guys such a pale
0:21:35shadow of what he wasn't that show
0:21:37well I yet they never liked keep his
0:21:39Irish accent someday so let's let's move
0:21:41on
0:21:42I now that we've beaten the dinosaurs to
0:21:44death and talk about two shows that are
0:21:48sort of similarly premise which is that
0:21:52there are legendary mythical creatures
0:21:55who are real grim lcg yeah well reel him
0:22:02but that's not the premise dependency
0:22:04unit there plenty real that the prince
0:22:06and the premise Department of this grim
0:22:08which is about mean it's like buffy the
0:22:12vampire slayer or angel because it's the
0:22:14same producers it's david greenwalt a
0:22:16couple of producers who worked on Buffy
0:22:18and Angel and that and that that premise
0:22:21is that this guy discovers that he's the
0:22:23latest in a line of of people who fight
0:22:26against supernatural forces in the real
0:22:28world and there really is a big bad wolf
0:22:31that attacks girls wearing red hoodies
0:22:34and and there's this whole other part of
0:22:36the world that he's not seen before that
0:22:38now is revealed to him and then there's
0:22:40also once upon a time which is a show
0:22:44that suggests that all fairy book you
0:22:49know the story fairy the fairy tales are
0:22:52real and the weekend Queen cast a spell
0:22:57that banished them all from the land of
0:22:59fairy tales and now they live in Maine
0:23:02and don't rip don't realize that their
0:23:04Ain main where there are no happy and
0:23:07main rain is like purgatory basically
0:23:09what we've learned
0:23:10this just in and one town over from
0:23:13Haven and and and so they there now in
0:23:16Maine so this is essentially you end up
0:23:18with a town that's full of people where
0:23:20you sit there and watch them and go oh
0:23:22he is Jack from Jack and the Beanstalk
0:23:25or whatever and the next and that's not
0:23:30you know how do you feel about this show
0:23:32Jason do you want I'm just I'm just
0:23:35trying to I'm just trying to elaborate
0:23:36on the premises here but it was just it
0:23:38was just the venom which you put it to a
0:23:39boil and whatever alright so let's all
0:23:41right i'll jump on that bad once upon a
0:23:43time for watching two episodes of
0:23:45once-upon-a-time as I am i it's not good
0:23:49it's it no it's not okay okay it's not
0:23:52bad yeah I watched it but it's not this
0:23:54like it's like you're sitting there is
0:23:56no thanks first off it's from these two
0:23:58guys who are producers on lost and you
0:24:02can tell but basically what they've said
0:24:03it it's like lost with fairy tales
0:24:05because every episode seems to cut back
0:24:08and forth between the past in the
0:24:10fairyland with important things that
0:24:12inform you about what's happening in the
0:24:14present in main there a sound effect
0:24:16accompanying there is no little Michael
0:24:21chiquinho but i have I so they do these
0:24:24flashbacks and I think to myself I think
0:24:25that maybe is a mistake i think maybe
0:24:27I'm grounding in the present would be
0:24:29better
0:24:30the problem with a fairy the fairy realm
0:24:31is the fairy realm is ridiculous
0:24:34over-the-top but not enough and you're
0:24:37gonna make it ridiculous i thought you
0:24:38should I think you should go all the way
0:24:40camp and they just a plant in Hungary
0:24:42tones well they don't because they have
0:24:43to go there every week now right i mean
0:24:45it would be different if the first half
0:24:47of the pilot was about the fairyland and
0:24:50then we never saw it again but instead
0:24:52they keep going back there and and the
0:24:55way they've instructed the actors to act
0:24:57especially the woman who plays the mayor
0:24:59of the town who's all Atlanta free
0:25:01lessons on taxes also the Wicked Queen
0:25:03her her her performance it as the wicked
0:25:07queen is painful to watch because it's I
0:25:10disagreed so it's just it's poor it is
0:25:13liable disagree I disagree because I
0:25:15thought that's finished worse the more
0:25:17you invited Lisa it's even worse no I
0:25:19thought I thought that the way she
0:25:21manipulated her father a nap
0:25:22so to attic at the key moment I'm trying
0:25:27very hard to explain this without
0:25:28resorting to spoilers
0:25:30anyway the point is is she as she
0:25:31manipulated her father I thought the way
0:25:33that she portrayed the the emotion she
0:25:36was fading compared to what she's
0:25:38actually feeling I thought that was
0:25:39fantastic and I also think she's
0:25:41fantastic is the mayor too because she
0:25:43does a really good job
0:25:44ok my problem with let me be more
0:25:46specific
0:25:48reading reading the over-the-top Wicked
0:25:52Queen dialogue where she sort of
0:25:54shouting into the air about haha yeah
0:25:58that stuff is horrible
0:26:00it's just yeah it's painful so is there
0:26:02anything ever anybody who does that well
0:26:04or 0 because it seems like that the the
0:26:06we've done a really good job as a
0:26:08narrative convention making villains
0:26:10look like complete jackholes when I do
0:26:12start the waving around of the hands and
0:26:13the screaming at nobody particular
0:26:15develop a they'll all pay
0:26:16I mean it doesn't matter what does that
0:26:18but gary oldman does well I'd they keep
0:26:22flashing back to this this very tail end
0:26:23as we're talking about but the problem
0:26:25is like everybody knows those stories
0:26:28yeah right like that's why it's boring
0:26:30it's telling us a story we've already
0:26:31heard there's no as far as I can tell
0:26:33there's not much at least in that I only
0:26:34saw the pilot but it seemed like there
0:26:36wasn't too much that like drove those
0:26:39characters to me I mean because their
0:26:42fairytale characters right ultimately
0:26:43they are kind of two-dimensional and and
0:26:46for me that meant I didn't really care
0:26:48about their who they were and and so
0:26:51it's disappointing in some ways to hear
0:26:53that they sort of keep going back to
0:26:54that well because i think there's
0:26:55there's an interesting premise there but
0:26:57you know it doesn't need to have the
0:26:59flashbacks i don't know i think they're
0:27:02doing that I think they're doing that so
0:27:04that they you you begin to care about
0:27:08who not home so much who they were but
0:27:10who they are now I i think that and I
0:27:13think it's developed a little bit more
0:27:15in the in the second episode and it and
0:27:17I'm willing to give this show a little
0:27:19bit more of a chance because I i think
0:27:23it it's moving along it's not it's not
0:27:27like they're jerking us around I think
0:27:28it's moving along the first two episodes
0:27:31there there's a there's a drive to them
0:27:33and it seems like you were getting a
0:27:35better sense
0:27:36so of who these people are now and so so
0:27:41that the flashbacks to fairy tale land
0:27:43are aren't that they don't bother me as
0:27:45much although I if the first episode
0:27:48where they were they were all gathered
0:27:50around that the round table and they
0:27:52were trying to figure out what to do and
0:27:54they were coming up with maybe some
0:27:56solution to get out of this curse or
0:27:59whatever reminded me a lot of the
0:28:01imaginationland episode of southpark
0:28:03yeah let's crank call out maybe not what
0:28:10they were going for
0:28:11probably not what they were going for
0:28:12but it said I I couldn't help but think
0:28:14of you know all of the the Council of
0:28:17imaginary characters talking about the
0:28:20crisis you know in Imaginationland and
0:28:24then that you know there was Jiminy
0:28:26Cricket bear on the on the conference
0:28:28table you know it is in that was a
0:28:30little bit funny but before the most
0:28:32right you know i think i think this
0:28:34one's this one's got potential although
0:28:36it certainly didn't it didn't come
0:28:39blasting out of the gate the way the way
0:28:42grim did
0:28:42yeah it's so it's great yeah so grim so
0:28:47great and much stronger pilot I think
0:28:49mix photon once-upon-a-time grim only
0:28:51see the pilot because we record this
0:28:54it's only only only air the pilot eh
0:28:57yeah it was having good it was really
0:29:00good I liked it a lot
0:29:02I don't know if I'd say really good but
0:29:03i found it more compelling than once
0:29:05upon them once upon a time i find it
0:29:07shocking that Jason the buffy guy loves
0:29:09somebody I wanted that's exactly know
0:29:11what there's a as I'm watching it the
0:29:13chemistry between the blue pot in the
0:29:14sin and the lead guy were fantastic
0:29:16really i found the bleeding i kinda flat
0:29:19period like easy very generic and and
0:29:22his buddy i was reading for the body to
0:29:23dive is there was nothing between those
0:29:25two what the copies he's like he's like
0:29:27salt or yeast where you have to add them
0:29:29to something else and then everything
0:29:30gets he sees 11-8 you can we don't
0:29:33distract me he looks like he looks like
0:29:34brandon routh he does yeah I get like
0:29:37it's like I like branded I like brandon
0:29:39routh better which is saying something
0:29:41and yeah you know it's like he didn't
0:29:43want to do it so they found look alike
0:29:44and brandon routh could use the work
0:29:46yeah we can do incidentally he was on
0:29:48Chuck a couple years ago is really good
0:29:50on Chuck I like the mind but he you know
0:29:52this is this guy is kind of like I don't
0:29:54know so far in one episode I found him
0:29:56kind of uninspiring and I I like I mean
0:29:59I like the sort of the sidekick guy the
0:30:02stylus we realized yeah yeah I like him
0:30:05I thought he was pretty good a lot of
0:30:07the other carrier i mean the other
0:30:09characters don't really stand out that
0:30:11the partner generic partner right you
0:30:14know there's the obligatory twist
0:30:17yeah I don't know any it's interesting
0:30:21there's there's an interesting potential
0:30:22here it's certainly a lot darker there
0:30:25were little things that bothered me I my
0:30:28favorite little bizarre plot point of
0:30:29course being the the girl goes out
0:30:31jogging and drops her ipod when she gets
0:30:34murdered and then they they go look for
0:30:3612 hours later is playing the same like
0:30:39what happened with that he likes the
0:30:41Eurythmics so much it was on repeat one
0:30:44song exactly the only song you should
0:30:46listen to brew your android / yeah
0:30:47that's some battery life too
0:30:49yeah well grapple yeah we all just
0:30:51thinking the same to any other Apple
0:30:53they're really like oh yeah I know
0:30:54exactly what model headphones are you
0:30:57dig that
0:30:57yeah yeah okay good but it was probably
0:31:00get a bunch of Apple nervous watching
0:31:01the show also if you're gonna be a crazy
0:31:03supernatural killer don't hum the song
0:31:06that your victim was listening to when
0:31:08you're talking to the police that was a
0:31:10weird revealed for me because i did not
0:31:12quite pick it up but yeah it's coming on
0:31:15it's strange that the partner is the one
0:31:17who picks it up like now I didn't
0:31:20understand why they gave that discovery
0:31:22to him maybe this is to show them the
0:31:24Grimm is going to need to be schooled
0:31:25both in regular police work and in the
0:31:27supernatural police work
0:31:29it's good at anything he is incompetent
0:31:32all fronts
0:31:34well he kinda is he will use the
0:31:36audience standing that's the whole point
0:31:37is is you always have one in every show
0:31:39who's the neophyte or the the newbie and
0:31:43groom had a great line when so that the
0:31:45guy who abducted the girl hasn't has her
0:31:48in his basement and he's very creepy and
0:31:50he's walking out party turns exactly
0:31:52turn sir it says would you like a
0:31:53chicken pot pie
0:31:55because you look at nigger up they say
0:31:57lyrics like oh no it's what I really
0:32:00like is how the blue bars are like we
0:32:01see red hood we can't help it that's
0:32:03just power wired I thought that was
0:32:04really nice
0:32:05yeah there's that there's a nice a nice
0:32:07bit where his the guy who he drops in
0:32:09who is obviously going to be his like
0:32:11advisor into the supernatural world
0:32:13who's the good character and funny and I
0:32:15kept waiting for him to turn to to the
0:32:17to the grim guy and say dude and he
0:32:20finally did those like there it is
0:32:21there's the dude he's that kind of guy
0:32:22he's the dude sidekick but he said I
0:32:26can't go any further because crazy I if
0:32:28I get too close we become like a pack
0:32:30and you know i gotta turn around and
0:32:32it's not like moment of like I can't go
0:32:34with you any further now you're on your
0:32:35own
0:32:36I like that and to John's point that the
0:32:38guy who loves Buffy would like would
0:32:40like the show it's true i mean it's got
0:32:42a lot of the same pieces and i turned my
0:32:43wife while we were watching it and I
0:32:45said into every generation one man is
0:32:47born he is the grim the advertisement a
0:32:50tentpole now I mean is it is a
0:32:53suggestion basically that they're all
0:32:54descended from the Brothers Grimm Grimm
0:32:55yeah
0:32:57yes that's what is that that's kind of
0:32:59lame so the the buffy essence part of it
0:33:02for me was as soon as i saw an old lady
0:33:04like in Congress combat where you have
0:33:06someone who you don't perceive to be
0:33:08like a warrior temper is like high
0:33:09school girl or a cancer-stricken and
0:33:12whips out you know starts doing this
0:33:14ninja combat everything you ever got
0:33:16knives and stuff that's a hundred
0:33:18percent Bobby what was missing from this
0:33:20there was in buffy is Joss Whedon and
0:33:22snappy dialogue i right that wasn't that
0:33:23was nowhere to be found which is
0:33:25probably why i like it felt more like
0:33:27Angel a little bit then like Buffy
0:33:28friends and I think I i think it was
0:33:30better written in this by far
0:33:32well I didn't say it wasn't I just said
0:33:34it's more a tailor talisman from our
0:33:36pilot yeah the pilots are pilots are not
0:33:38always good but the tone of angel was
0:33:40much more in line with this the darker
0:33:41and a little bit less funny then then
0:33:44the Buffy I think it's a closer analog
0:33:46one thing this had that Buffy didn't
0:33:48have was the ability to if not scared
0:33:52then at least startled so I was watching
0:33:54this with my wife and just I told her
0:33:57what the premise of the show was i think
0:33:58i just i was like the brothers grimm or
0:33:59whatever and you know like the first
0:34:01little jump jolt thing with jogger in
0:34:03the beginning startled her enough to
0:34:05make your contacts come out haha
0:34:08that should be a scale yeah that in
0:34:12addition to like he was holding
0:34:13something and just like she was startled
0:34:15many times about the show and it
0:34:16definitely I'm that's cheap like the
0:34:18thing that jumps out at you but at least
0:34:19it did that effectively writers and
0:34:21producers of grim you may want to quote
0:34:23from this episode of the uncomfortable
0:34:26it's made her contacts fly out of her i
0:34:29right
0:34:30and that's not you know so that shows
0:34:31like within the first minute they had
0:34:34yet they had your attention and they did
0:34:36you know the cheap little boots care but
0:34:37hey I'll take you know an effective
0:34:40cheap little boost Karen the thing that
0:34:41was pointing out of it was like they
0:34:44want to do a light-hearted tone with the
0:34:45sidekick guy was like AI mama we're both
0:34:47to it on the cool guy who'd but they
0:34:49also wanted to have they also want to
0:34:51have like look at the scary person with
0:34:52the bad cg face right that I don't know
0:34:56how they're going to balance that well
0:34:57but I really think that what the show
0:34:58would meet but the show's needed this is
0:35:00writing is as good as Buffy had it
0:35:03doesn't have that now i don't know if
0:35:05the other the other factors can make up
0:35:07for it well I guess I kept looking for
0:35:08in sort of the not just a dialogue with
0:35:10the structure of the episode i was i
0:35:13found myself looking for the someone in
0:35:15his life who is inevitably turns out to
0:35:18be one of these creatures or in league
0:35:19with the real thing the White House
0:35:21buddy was like but I look I was waiting
0:35:23for the carpet there's that one they did
0:35:24this really weird shot right after he
0:35:26like finds the little girl underneath
0:35:30the living room they sort of do this we
0:35:32chat with the partner stepping back and
0:35:33I'm like oh my God he's gonna like turn
0:35:35around and bring ya like a gun on him
0:35:36and I was like wow that would be a viet
0:35:38creepy turn or I thought the like the
0:35:40fiancé might might turn out to be evil
0:35:42or something
0:35:43I honestly think that because that would
0:35:44have been yeah they kind of had a shot i
0:35:47think we shot her too i felt like that
0:35:48hinted at that too but you didn't quite
0:35:51playoff and said those edited the reveal
0:35:53the end who really was the you know
0:35:55mhm but I I don't know I mean I maybe
0:35:59i'll watch the second episode I felt
0:36:01better about it that is like i said then
0:36:02I did about once upon time but it was
0:36:05still you know it's still mixed bag for
0:36:08me
0:36:08yes of the current and the new fairytail
0:36:12based hour-long show and Korean is
0:36:15number one in my Park
0:36:17yeah it turned you know watching up
0:36:21watching pilots you the first hurdle is
0:36:25can i watch through it to the end and
0:36:27then second hurdle is what i watch
0:36:28another episode and once upon a time I
0:36:31was like maybe i watch another episode
0:36:32because I gotta do a podcast about it
0:36:35the grip grammy was was yeah watch
0:36:38another episode of that again it was not
0:36:40like I'm I'm floored this is the best
0:36:43thing I've seen in years it was more
0:36:44like that that was better than I
0:36:47expected and worth worth some more of my
0:36:50time palatable palatable you can put
0:36:52that on the poster got some potential
0:36:54you know got some potential worth worth
0:36:56investigating further so yeah I think so
0:37:00oh and Scott red summed it up of the to
0:37:02go grim exactly so violent yeah i was
0:37:07gonna watch the once upon a time thing
0:37:09for the podcast but then I saw the groom
0:37:11is also in the list and I i surmise that
0:37:14grim would be the better institution
0:37:15well once I watch it I could I could not
0:37:17bring myself to watch the other like how
0:37:19can watch another fairy tales that just
0:37:20looks awful
0:37:21so I'm glad to hear that yeah I like
0:37:25senses are we even those of us who don't
0:37:26think it was awful i don't think i would
0:37:28service was good but let's talk about a
0:37:33person of interest
0:37:35this is a this is a show that is a
0:37:37procedural in some ways but it it's um
0:37:40it's got the premise is that there's a
0:37:43guy mr. Finch who's played by Ben liner
0:37:46sent Los Michael Emerson and and Ben
0:37:51Linus is off the island now and he's
0:37:53built a computer that the the government
0:37:57uses to spy on everybody but he's like
0:37:59put a backdoor in it so that the names
0:38:01of people who are going to die or be
0:38:03killed or or kill or something related
0:38:06to death will be emailed to him every
0:38:09day so that he can try and stop their
0:38:12deaths it's a bizarre kind of premise
0:38:14but in the end it's the setup is there
0:38:17so that the that he and jim caviezel
0:38:19Jesus himself jim caviezel Casey Casey
0:38:23wheel in in in skirt
0:38:26whoo that's AC it's true you can insert
0:38:29themselves into the
0:38:30people's lives and either you know
0:38:33prevent them from killing somebody or
0:38:35prevent them from being killed
0:38:38um it's a weird premise I love Michael
0:38:41Emerson and in this he is you know he's
0:38:43got streets got a limp in the flashbacks
0:38:46he doesn't have a limp there's mystery
0:38:48about who he is and why he's there and
0:38:50what his history is so I like him and I
0:38:54you know I have to say i like i like
0:38:56caviezel even though i don't like I find
0:38:58him kind of bland and other things i
0:39:00like them in this I don't think he's
0:39:02like eric roberts or something i'll go
0:39:05but i mean like a lie i think he crosses
0:39:07effectively menacing no i don't know i
0:39:09don't see I don't like it because I
0:39:11think he's more
0:39:12he's a little too much of a cipher I
0:39:13wanted a little more he's warming up the
0:39:16interplay with him Michael Emerson is
0:39:17getting a little bit better but in a
0:39:18pilot especially he's just like the guy
0:39:20who shows up and beat the crap outta
0:39:22here and not he just doesn't seem to
0:39:24have much of a personality of its own so
0:39:26I think he's a liability
0:39:27well see i kind of figured they would
0:39:29flush that out of me not you know they
0:39:30gave me to write write write but I mean
0:39:32I kind of enjoyed watching Abby that
0:39:34first scene where he beats the crap out
0:39:36of the punk kids who are just sort of
0:39:37you know over the scotsman ridiculous on
0:39:41the subway but yeah but it'sit's you
0:39:43know it's the kind of that's the kind of
0:39:44people you want to see get there get the
0:39:46crap beat out of them right after
0:39:47supplies think about that yeah exactly i
0:39:49think it's shot ya know I kind of enjoy
0:39:51so bad the show the two shows that this
0:39:53show reminds me of one is vengeance
0:39:54unlimited yeah which I know you love
0:39:57which was a mighty fine show and the
0:39:59other see equalizer which I loved with
0:40:01Edward who was the UX by who now just
0:40:04barges into people's lives when they're
0:40:05in trouble and beat the crap out of the
0:40:07mean people who are trying to hurt them
0:40:09and i love i love that show because it
0:40:11was menacing and it was kind of like New
0:40:13York the threatening side of New York
0:40:15and then this guy comes in and he he
0:40:18will just use all the tools at his
0:40:19disposal to destroy the bad people who
0:40:22are trying to hurt other people and I
0:40:24love that about that show and that's
0:40:25that's the thing that i do like about
0:40:27person of interest ya got that feeling
0:40:29to it yeah i mean but vengeance
0:40:30unlimited by the way hadn't had more of
0:40:32a sense of humor than the show does i
0:40:35was a little bit i was a little bit
0:40:37ambivalent about this show I didn't want
0:40:39to like it I didn't want it to succeed
0:40:41because because i thought it
0:40:44if it succeeds then we'll never see odd
0:40:47jobs which is just plan show with with
0:40:50with very honest and John Locke yes
0:40:53stereo and that sounded like an awesome
0:40:55show and I'm a little depressed about
0:40:57that yeah so but but turns out turns out
0:41:00this is this is actually pretty good and
0:41:02you know it i think we're what five or
0:41:06six episodes into this thing and I
0:41:08haven't seen that many of them by I've
0:41:10seen water a pilot but I watched the
0:41:12pilot was enough to at least convince me
0:41:14to give the next one shot
0:41:15well it is worth giving a shot and it
0:41:17turns out there there are some some
0:41:21other conspiratorial threads that are
0:41:23moving through it's not just it's not
0:41:25just about the backgrounds of of Emerson
0:41:29and and caviezel characters there's also
0:41:32some things happening that some of that
0:41:34some of the cases that they've been on
0:41:36some of that some of these numbers that
0:41:38they've that they've taken on and and
0:41:42some of these people that they've
0:41:43they've saved or or taken out turns out
0:41:49there there have been implications to
0:41:51some of the things that they've done
0:41:52sort of unforeseen consequences which is
0:41:54always very interesting so grace the
0:41:57numbers are bad
0:41:58well yeah well I although i have to do
0:42:00it not come for a4a out-of-left-field
0:42:03plot twist in the pilot which is just I
0:42:06don't know I looked it soon as it
0:42:08happened i can see like all right I see
0:42:10what you're gonna do here and yet i
0:42:13thought back to earlier in the episode
0:42:14notes like this doesn't really make any
0:42:16sets like you just kind of did that to
0:42:18be look surprised
0:42:21oh yeah yeah and and I remain at the end
0:42:24of that my wife turned to me and said if
0:42:25they do that every week this isn't gonna
0:42:27work but they don't know what's going on
0:42:29is good and it's actually pretty smart
0:42:31but in it may be that there are there
0:42:34are other powers at work here that you
0:42:38know that have not been revealed and so
0:42:40there's a lot to the show that that's
0:42:42worth watching I think you're you're you
0:42:44there's something what you say Jason
0:42:45that Caviezel as characters a little bit
0:42:49there's a little bit of a little bit of
0:42:51a cipher but I grab I sort of think he's
0:42:53just like a kind of brick that is yeah
0:42:55old people but i think i think little by
0:43:00little we're getting to know him a
0:43:01little bit better and and so it it it
0:43:06keeps you wanting to cum it keeps you
0:43:08wanting to come back for more at least
0:43:10it does for us and so we enjoy it i mean
0:43:14it's it's a lot of fun and and I but i
0:43:17do think you're right i mean Emerson's
0:43:19character so tremendously watchable he's
0:43:23just you know the guy that you never
0:43:25mean he really kind of makes the show
0:43:28but it's got its got action and by the
0:43:30way they're not a bit i think it's a
0:43:33native is it it's an eight o'clock show
0:43:34I think I don't know better not the time
0:43:37anymore yeah I don't either a dismal
0:43:39just it just materializes a firearm with
0:43:41my DVR but it but there you know people
0:43:45get killed in the show and yeah y-yeah
0:43:47how many people get shot up I was like
0:43:49this is very interesting because i find
0:43:51it especially coming from a perspective
0:43:53as a writer having a likable or at least
0:43:57relatable protagonist who kind of
0:43:59indiscriminately kills people is really
0:44:03hard because selected from the knees
0:44:05right forget sometimes that you're still
0:44:08in the head
0:44:08yeah right and I mean it so it's like
0:44:10you know that's that to me is that is a
0:44:12bold choice and I think that's if you're
0:44:14gonna I mean you want to back that up
0:44:15right like you want to have it shouldn't
0:44:18feel cartoony it should have
0:44:20consequences you should feel dangerous
0:44:22and should feel kind of brutal and if
0:44:25you're gonna do something with the
0:44:26character along that lines that's very
0:44:28interesting to me because I think that's
0:44:30something you wrestle with is he having
0:44:31a protagonist who is willing to cross
0:44:33that line but if it's just comes off as
0:44:36to like you know pretty close always
0:44:39just you know just kill people that they
0:44:40have no meaning right like dat that is
0:44:43yeah I mean it's all the 18 no one ever
0:44:44dies neil on right now that the car
0:44:46would blow up and maybe find yeah i mean
0:44:48but it is it is eight it is a show with
0:44:50it loses weight right
0:44:52Yeah Yeah right any other thoughts about
0:44:55person of interest
0:44:57well speaking as someone who was
0:44:58watching prime suspect thinking this
0:45:01person of interest
0:45:01haha can be easily if you wore a hat
0:45:04examined was blonde I have no opinion of
0:45:08the show but i will say prime suspect is
0:45:10entertaining i was very confused when i
0:45:12was watching the pilot because I I
0:45:13wanted to watch whatever a person of
0:45:15interest because people on Twitter all
0:45:17the nerds I follow on twitter we're
0:45:18talking about it was like I should watch
0:45:20that ship so I watched the episode of
0:45:22private sector house which was unrelated
0:45:24and i watch it was like this is a good
0:45:26police procedural you know the one that
0:45:28has a attitude and she's dealing with
0:45:31sexism on the police that's interesting
0:45:32but why are all these people talking
0:45:34about it on twitter i was very confused
0:45:35then I realized i'm an idiot yes
0:45:38watching the wrong show
0:45:38that's that's my thought process was
0:45:40fine but it was one of those shows that
0:45:43I you know I I don't need a police
0:45:46procedural and yet another police
0:45:48procedural in my life I just don't you
0:45:50know but it was fine because Maria Bello
0:45:52is in that she's good but she's good
0:45:54yeah and she has a hat she does have
0:45:57she's an aggressive hat i like how a
0:45:59personal and that show i like how they
0:46:01drink so much I like that a lot to do
0:46:03and I also I'll i also like the fact
0:46:05that most of the other people on on that
0:46:09squad or sort of halfway incompetent
0:46:14yeah that's great you know that the
0:46:16video that their le clerc's they'll try
0:46:18to frame people you know because they
0:46:20know i like this guy for this murder so
0:46:23I think we should just you know if I
0:46:25like that sort of thing that there's you
0:46:28know it's it's kind of a path of least
0:46:31resistance sort of bureaucratic thing
0:46:34that I did strikes me is constant
0:46:36realistic so it's kind of a neat show i
0:46:39don't know and i think it's interesting
0:46:40that the you-know-whats the bellows
0:46:43character she's like okay I think that
0:46:45the suspect is this guy and clearly if
0:46:48you're intelligent
0:46:50it is in fact that guy it makes sense
0:46:52and other people like your girl what do
0:46:54you know
0:46:55well i mean i think that was one of the
0:46:57challenges I mean obviously this is
0:46:58based on a really long and running
0:47:00british series with Helen Mirren because
0:47:03magnet i think the early nineties and
0:47:05you know where the Queen solves crime
0:47:08yes the little corgis and i think you
0:47:12know i was one of the criticisms I heard
0:47:14of it was just people talking about the
0:47:15fact that well you know not that that
0:47:17the sexism is an interesting angle but
0:47:19also that you know the the arguably the
0:47:22world of of 20 years ago is a bit
0:47:25different than the world of today in
0:47:26some regards but i mean i don't know i
0:47:28didn't i didn't watch the pilot and I
0:47:29I'd i do have fond memories of the
0:47:31senior the the earlier one shouldn't
0:47:34even be called prime suspect is it
0:47:35really has nothing in common
0:47:37I it other than those a woman who's a
0:47:39detective right i mean and that's you
0:47:41know that's that's to the better in some
0:47:43ways i know that a lot of times the
0:47:44American chose do better when they take
0:47:46a departure from the acceleration but
0:47:49that's such a honored kind of series
0:47:52that that it yeah it seems kinda weird
0:47:54day and i'm not quite sure what it
0:47:56really has some common but you know but
0:47:59it's fine we should we should move on i
0:48:02believe somebody wanted to talk about
0:48:03american horror story which i think is
0:48:06on FX which is from the from the people
0:48:08who brought you those fresh face kids
0:48:10glee
0:48:11so tell me about tell me about american
0:48:13horror story because i have not seen it
0:48:15and I don't know anything about it other
0:48:16than that
0:48:17that your coach mrs. coaches in it
0:48:20miss yeah oh yeah she's not very mrs.
0:48:23kochi here on the premises that Dad
0:48:27dylan mcdermott and mrs. kochi are Tami
0:48:32Taylor what's your actual name
0:48:34Oh Connie Britton bring him all right
0:48:37yes they're there a couple who are on
0:48:38the outs with one another
0:48:40she apparently had a third trimester
0:48:42miscarriage last stillbirth that she's
0:48:44still recovering from physically and
0:48:45psychologically he solved his grief by
0:48:48plunging into the arms and other parts
0:48:50of an undergrad and so their marriage
0:48:54has been under a great deal of strain
0:48:55and they decided the best thing to do is
0:48:58to subject themselves to another one of
0:49:00life's most stressful events which is a
0:49:01cross-country location with the sulky
0:49:03teenage daughter they end up at this
0:49:05huge neo Victorian monstrosity in Los
0:49:08Angeles jessica lange is their body next
0:49:11door neighbor who says really hateful
0:49:12things about the disabled to her
0:49:14daughter who happens to have down
0:49:15syndrome and
0:49:17over the course of a couple episodes you
0:49:19discover that the house in which mrs.
0:49:22coach and silicon or silicon live is
0:49:24simply packed with ghosts
0:49:26um it's supposed to be horrifying I
0:49:30suppose with the title big American
0:49:31Horror Story and all but really the show
0:49:33is just so far around around the bend
0:49:36that it's it's it's it's kind of a black
0:49:39comedy because just when you think that
0:49:42it can't get any more ludicrous and that
0:49:44people cannot act any less like human
0:49:46beings actually act along comes
0:49:48something else and you're like okay okay
0:49:51we have just moved often incomplete have
0:49:53just moved beyond the boundaries of of
0:49:56the odd things like that include jessica
0:49:59lange making epic cupcakes and sending
0:50:03over as a housewarming gift and then
0:50:04swatting about the same house small
0:50:06giving dramatic monologues about the
0:50:07deficiencies of her children
0:50:09dylan mcdermott goes jogging with a guy
0:50:12who burned his family to death in the
0:50:14nineteen seventies and the guy he's
0:50:15handing him headshots to check out
0:50:17because he wants to be an actor
0:50:19there's some weird fetal pig thing that
0:50:21lives in the basement and terrifies
0:50:22people it's just the only there's a guy
0:50:25in a gimp suit running around the house
0:50:26too but apparently no one notices him
0:50:28let me ask let me ask let me ask perhaps
0:50:30what is the what is the like elephant in
0:50:31the room question why don't they move
0:50:33they can't that they get the address in
0:50:36one episode where they haven't they have
0:50:37no money apparently moving west
0:50:39bankrupted them and since he's a psycho
0:50:40you know what's gonna buy that house
0:50:42exactly their mortgages underwater and
0:50:45covered in board and haunted
0:50:47yes that'sthat's basically that's
0:50:49basically the premise to go with his own
0:50:50words it's the real estate markets in
0:50:52such a dramatic downturn is no one will
0:50:54ever move into this place so also Connie
0:50:56Britton her character is pregnant and
0:50:58they're pretty sure the father is the
0:51:00ghost camp so that the fetus is
0:51:02apparently conspired to keep them in the
0:51:04house too and it's just um wow so yeah I
0:51:08i could not want to watch this show any
0:51:11less than I do right now it is like
0:51:13someone took it as like Ryan Murphy was
0:51:15like okay I need a dartboard and on that
0:51:17dartboard you should have every
0:51:19ridiculous horror cliché that has ever
0:51:21been in any movies the last 30 years and
0:51:23this week I want someone to hand me a
0:51:26quiver of 10 darts i'm going to throw
0:51:29them at
0:51:30bored and whatever it lands on were
0:51:31putting it in this episode it's just it
0:51:34is ludicrous
0:51:35it is a madcap this is like I think
0:51:38grant morrison would be like this is a
0:51:39little much guys
0:51:41maybe maybe lay off of Chris and madcap
0:51:44i'm watching on hulu since our DVR is
0:51:49always full anyway i'm watching hulu so
0:51:51I'm granted i'm a week behind and I
0:51:53understand the halloween to partner is
0:51:55really kind of an eye krauser but this
0:51:57is something where if you get a chance
0:51:59to watch it and and you're in the mood
0:52:00to laugh yourself silly and and have
0:52:02something that makes absolutely no sense
0:52:03whatsoever so you're watching it for the
0:52:06for the for the last value basically yes
0:52:09yes I am
0:52:10ok so noted so American Horror Story got
0:52:13it i'm going to steer clear that one
0:52:14yeah mmm yeah oh I didn't even mention
0:52:17there's that the rigor shows with with
0:52:19sarah michelle gellar that's awful
0:52:21anyone watch that I watched it
0:52:23let's get Buffy in it it's really bad oh
0:52:25alright good i don't want to get then
0:52:28it's really bad this
0:52:29no it's it's it's terrible but but she
0:52:33doesn't go to the Hamptons but she does
0:52:34go out on a boat and it's the worst
0:52:36green screen effect you've ever seen
0:52:38she's based on the soup it was hilarious
0:52:40it's it she's like it's like she's
0:52:42standing in front of a painting of the
0:52:44sea on a boat and pretending to rock and
0:52:49then she falls in at the falling in it's
0:52:51like somebody has a cup of water that
0:52:53they throw back out it's just it it
0:52:55appeared to be you know I don't know if
0:52:58they had a it was like a high school
0:52:59play it was delightful and but the TV
0:53:02critics so I had got that in there in
0:53:05their little advanced looking and I know
0:53:07a couple TV critics who actually called
0:53:10the network and said you're gonna fix
0:53:12the special effects right there like oh
0:53:14yeah we are
0:53:15it'll be better and then that it was not
0:53:17it was the same thing she's just in
0:53:19front of a backdrop
0:53:21wow that's a while it's about it's it's
0:53:23it's overly complicated and weird and
0:53:25bad and again bad use of twins and split
0:53:30screens and things and oh it's bad so
0:53:33I'm sorry I even brought it up now quite
0:53:34frankly other than that I wanted to beat
0:53:36it up and now i will say good news
0:53:40well we were recording this happen to
0:53:42browse a
0:53:43a TV news site and found that we will
0:53:46have once upon a time to kick around all
0:53:48co got a couple seasons in order know so
0:53:52i wanted to mention before we talked
0:53:54briefly about returning shows i wanted
0:53:56to mention one other show that I don't
0:53:58believe anybody here saw so I'm going to
0:54:00recap it for you
0:54:01having not seen it which is a gifted man
0:54:03this is a show that's on a belief CBS on
0:54:06Friday nights all you need to know about
0:54:08the gifted man is it's the ghost
0:54:14whisperer crossed with medium though
0:54:17which are essentially the same show but
0:54:20i believe in fact that was the premise
0:54:21of the show is that the demands dead
0:54:23wife comes back and helps himself how
0:54:25he's a doctor he's a doctor assets the
0:54:27show
0:54:28yes that's that show it's not it's not
0:54:30person of interest Scott
0:54:34my wife will like this show so it's like
0:54:38the ghost whisperer except without
0:54:39cleavage
0:54:40well the ghost has the cleavage this
0:54:42time and i believe the ghost is is
0:54:44Jennifer ely from Pride and Prejudice I
0:54:48i heard about the show but I watched
0:54:50prime suspect instead I'm surprised your
0:54:52wife hasn't made you watch the show
0:54:54Scott don't make don't let her don't let
0:54:56her know that it's on
0:54:58yeah she's been out of town so but i'm
0:55:00sure what she hears about it he'll watch
0:55:02it also also starring patrick wilson is
0:55:05the main character who's in the watchman
0:55:07among other thing is the gifted man of
0:55:10media for a he's a gifted man Jason he's
0:55:13not necessarily the only one but he's
0:55:14well he's the gifted man of the title
0:55:16but that's a gifted man like this and
0:55:20how is he in
0:55:22yeah / / he's over rot he been and you
0:55:27didn't say anything you've seen a gifted
0:55:29man I yeah just come on out it out saw
0:55:33the pilot hated it
0:55:37this like four episodes queued up on the
0:55:40DVR and I'm and I'm every not a day goes
0:55:44by where I'm not tempted to just delete
0:55:47them but then my way and generate and
0:55:50then I would be killed in my sleep i'm
0:55:51going to be killed in my sleep and write
0:55:53in any event because before you die you
0:55:55just delete them up and then the ghost
0:55:56whisperer will talk to you
0:55:57yeah but gifted man because over rotten
0:56:00terrible don't watch it
0:56:02ok don't watch tonight did I mention a
0:56:04new show that i forgot that is
0:56:07yeah he's right is it by sunset that's
0:56:09it is in fact started redline us as the
0:56:12prime suspect
0:56:13no it's not it's a prime suspect but it
0:56:15is a show that i didn't think i would
0:56:16like a because it's on stars and
0:56:19generally stars his boss it is boss i'm
0:56:22really not have a boss boss is so good
0:56:26it's a kelsey grammer and it wasn't in
0:56:28like the first two minutes because you
0:56:29see kelsey grammer anything look it's
0:56:31dr. Frasier great but within 22 minutes
0:56:34of watching this
0:56:35he's not Frasier Crane he is this crazy
0:56:38scheming really mean mayor of Chicago
0:56:42who has found out that he has a
0:56:44neurological disease and he's he has to
0:56:46kind of keep it from everyone
0:56:48it's just a fantastic show this is this
0:56:51is a this appeals to the political
0:56:54science geek in me this is like the
0:56:59deadwood was another show like that
0:57:00which resolves deadline which had a lot
0:57:04of things going on but ultimately it was
0:57:06that was a that was a show for you know
0:57:09political philosophy geeks and and
0:57:12bosses a little bit like that too and i
0:57:15just i saw that we watched the first
0:57:17episode of that and i told i told my
0:57:19wife this is my favorite show in the
0:57:22universe right now because it's got
0:57:25because you know in and you know all the
0:57:28hype leading up to the show by the way
0:57:29and they went out of their way to say
0:57:31Kelsey Grammer is not Richard Daley even
0:57:34though there's been an office for 18
0:57:36years and he's the most powerful man in
0:57:38the seas not Richard they are going to
0:57:39do the total innocence
0:57:41I mean the power dynamics that many
0:57:45people you know that the patron image
0:57:47that the horse trading there's a city
0:57:49council meeting in the first episode
0:57:51where he this is the whole thing going
0:57:54on where they're trying the which is
0:57:56based partly on a true story by the way
0:57:58where the city is trying to expand
0:58:02o'hare airport and they may find it
0:58:06Indian burial ground there and this
0:58:08becomes of course a huge problem because
0:58:10you can't just dig up the Indian burial
0:58:12ground and so there has to be so they
0:58:15you know they have to attach this this
0:58:20they have to give the mayor total
0:58:22control of this project they have to do
0:58:24it through waste management and it's
0:58:26just wonderful low politics it's just
0:58:30fantastic and and just great stuff so I
0:58:33haven't watched I haven't had a chance
0:58:34to watch the second episode yet but it
0:58:36is just great
0:58:37it is just got aa you ask Great Scott
0:58:40you picked a winner
0:58:41apparently who do and I don't even like
0:58:42politics but Kelsey Grammer is a
0:58:45fantastic as a this character the boss
0:58:48the boss Tom Kane before we go I want to
0:58:51I want to quickly touch base on some
0:58:53shows that have returned that we might
0:58:55want to mention at least briefly
0:58:58the walking dead is back on AMC
0:59:02I've only seen the first of of those
0:59:05episodes and I feel just as kind of
0:59:09lukewarm wish I actually drop the series
0:59:13of her
0:59:13oh yeah I've been liking season two I
0:59:16never I never started watching so I'm
0:59:19not John you like it yeah i think we
0:59:21have as I've seen I've seen all the
0:59:22present three episodes for I in the
0:59:26first season I don't feel like they
0:59:28didn't really know or maybe they knew
0:59:30what they wanted around a little bit of
0:59:32whether they were going to be
0:59:33concentrating on like the just they have
0:59:36to spend some time like the destruction
0:59:38of the United States and look at all
0:59:39this stuff and the big-budget things in
0:59:40there in the city and everybody's dead
0:59:42and stuff like but now they've narrowed
0:59:43the showdown to just these people that
0:59:45you care about now they're going to
0:59:46survive and it's almost like the zombies
0:59:47are not that important anymore at this
0:59:50little manipulative but there's been
0:59:53enough interesting moments that it's
0:59:54been grabbing my attention like the the
0:59:57main storyline which you see setup and
0:59:59they want episode you
0:59:59they want episode you
1:00:00so that's still going on i think im
1:00:03gonna be so three or four or something
1:00:04and i like it it's perfect you know it's
1:00:07not it's not knock my socks off but my
1:00:10new episodes coming out i want to see
1:00:11what happens i'm interested in the
1:00:13people on this show
1:00:14yeah I'm interested in I just I it
1:00:15leaves me I don't finish one episode and
1:00:17Bo I can't wait to watch the next
1:00:19episode is more like our and I'll watch
1:00:20the next episode
1:00:21sometimes it just doesn't doesn't grab
1:00:24me at that level so Lisa you you you got
1:00:26pushed all the way away from enough
1:00:28yes i did any any reason in particular
1:00:30to just not let the magic gone or
1:00:33whenever that real really that into it
1:00:35I hard time getting into it and as the
1:00:37season progressed I felt that the
1:00:39characters acted less like human beings
1:00:41understandable motivations and more like
1:00:43obvious standards or symbols where they
1:00:45were supposed to mean something or stand
1:00:46for something or move the story along
1:00:48and so because I couldn't really connect
1:00:51to any of the characters or empathize
1:00:54with their motivations that much i
1:00:57thought you know this already watching
1:00:59one show where the characters i don't
1:01:00like the human beings and Terra Nova's
1:01:02free so yeah the spell was broken yeah
1:01:09plus I'm kind of tired of zombies yeah I
1:01:11hear you you know i mean i-i don't mind
1:01:13reading not i don't mind i do think
1:01:15walking dead is a great comic book you
1:01:17know it's robert kirkman and I think
1:01:18it's really solid work and i think that
1:01:22the story plays out well in the comics
1:01:24medium it might actually be kind of
1:01:25challenging to do in television in the
1:01:27way just because your brain doesn't have
1:01:29to fill in some of the gory details are
1:01:31laid out for you like i said i have a
1:01:34hard time connecting the character the
1:01:35show inspired me to read all of the
1:01:37comics and then the comics ruin the show
1:01:39for me because there's so much better
1:01:41this comments or nightmare fuel they
1:01:42have their friends really good
1:01:44they're very grim they are no oh yeah
1:01:47the word of the day is grim
1:01:50that's you that letter changeup on once
1:01:54upon a time it out that said did anybody
1:01:57see vm the web only series that they did
1:02:00is an interstitial between those cute
1:02:03it's like what you're reading is what it
1:02:05was all my gosh yeah well I like that
1:02:07the production values like it you know
1:02:09yeah I could just
1:02:10it looks like a web thing it's like they
1:02:12gave a guy
1:02:13camera and not much of a budget and
1:02:15going to film this little story point
1:02:17and you know the kind of me trailer for
1:02:20dead island was better than that if you
1:02:21want to go for it but the trailer for
1:02:23dead island probably that's a game by
1:02:24the way about zombies probably cost a
1:02:26lot more than those webisodes
1:02:27so how many times up to the webisodes
1:02:29alright so let's talk about the other
1:02:33ones that I wanted to bring up i want to
1:02:34bring up fringe which is back we talked
1:02:36about that a bit last time I believed
1:02:39she seen ones having a good season two
1:02:41episodes of fringe so far actually i am
1:02:43all cut up and i gotta say i I've really
1:02:45enjoyed this season it's a you remember
1:02:48what I said at the end of the last
1:02:49season though I forget what you say John
1:02:51my prophecy ask my prophecy probably has
1:02:54come to pass and always will be you know
1:02:56Pacey has been erased from history well
1:02:57what has he been dropped from the show
1:02:59now he's still employed so now we have
1:03:00to endure season of well what we're
1:03:02supposed to forgotten but I sense him i
1:03:04said here is the boy and my heart my
1:03:07love for me now open the space-time
1:03:09continuum at that interested me less
1:03:11than Walters interactions with him which
1:03:14is that you know what we basically
1:03:15thinks he's insane
1:03:17I don't want any interactions with him
1:03:19if he's erased from history is written
1:03:21Mystery he's not he's not what I'm
1:03:23liking about the show so far this year
1:03:24is that they they did I thought quite a
1:03:26brilliant thing in the season finale
1:03:27which is create a portal basically merge
1:03:31the two universes together in the sense
1:03:33that there's a portal and you can just
1:03:34walk from one into the other and
1:03:36therefore they in the I told this to
1:03:38dance city in the city
1:03:39yeah yeah exactly and I told i told dan
1:03:42after I'd seen the first episode and
1:03:44he'd already seen the second i said what
1:03:45they need to do is have like a crime
1:03:47that can only be solved by going into
1:03:49the other and he's like oh that's the
1:03:50second episode it's like a little dead
1:03:52that's a great i really a lot of that
1:03:54second episode which was kind of super
1:03:56creepy which basically involved in one
1:03:58universe there's a serial killer and in
1:04:00this universe is a criminology professor
1:04:02so they bring him over to like consult
1:04:04but not telling him that he's the
1:04:06murderer that their consulting on half
1:04:08which I think about halfway through
1:04:10unfortunately it loses they decide they
1:04:13need to accelerate things but like I
1:04:15just sort of SAT there thinking about
1:04:16this would be like the creepiest short
1:04:17story ever like this would be a great
1:04:19short story and I like that I like a lot
1:04:23of the parallel universe stuff they do i
1:04:24love that they brought
1:04:26our universe Lincoln Lee in as the as a
1:04:29sort of partner in the interim I like a
1:04:33lot of the subtle changes in and some
1:04:36not so subtle changes in the way that
1:04:38the characters have developed in this
1:04:40alternative universe because not only is
1:04:42it a parallel universe Peregrino adverse
1:04:45but it's an alternate timeline now too
1:04:47right
1:04:48well so I don't like what they've done
1:04:49with the characters are actually don't
1:04:51think Olivia they've they've made her
1:04:52distinctly different character in some
1:04:54in some small ways
1:04:56Walter obviously is a very different
1:04:57character in many ways like he's
1:04:59basically a shut-in he won't leave the
1:05:00lab you see all of us the good work that
1:05:03Peter has done with him over the past
1:05:04three years has totally been you know
1:05:06undone and worse the dynamics are
1:05:09different you know between the team and
1:05:10in some different ways it's I don't know
1:05:14I really this is this is one of the
1:05:15shows that a key every season it grows
1:05:17on me and and I find I like it more and
1:05:20more so I'm I'm incident now that I've
1:05:23sort of reach far enough that that that
1:05:25Peter has become more part of the
1:05:27equation so I'm interested to see where
1:05:30it goes from here
1:05:31has anybody here does anybody here
1:05:34listen to or have you ever listened to
1:05:35the Phil hungry show
1:05:37oh yeah I don't talk radio variety I'm
1:05:39sure actually have Lisa it will Henry is
1:05:42this this radio talk show host who does
1:05:44his own basically his his Colin guests
1:05:47are you him he's doing the voices and
1:05:49one of the bits that he does from time
1:05:51to time is somebody will put somebody on
1:05:54hold and they'll force their way off of
1:05:56hold their will their way out of all
1:05:58that sort of that sort of i thought of
1:06:01that with with this whole thing with
1:06:02with Peter willing his way out of the
1:06:05you know out of non-existence in the
1:06:07space-time continuum than that it's been
1:06:09good support but you know willing his
1:06:12way out of a sort of a metaphysical hold
1:06:15as it were
1:06:16I like the to Olivia's especially since
1:06:19with the alternate history
1:06:21Olivia in the main universe she's a
1:06:23little bit less of a wet blanket than
1:06:25the old one was so seeing her bounce off
1:06:28of Olivia yeah like in that episode
1:06:30where they crossed over everything that
1:06:31that those two characters interests me
1:06:33because I think we all kind of talk
1:06:35about how we wrote her off a little bit
1:06:37as an actress from the beginning of the
1:06:38first season because
1:06:39it was just kind of blah but then you
1:06:41know once she gets to play that other
1:06:42characters we sort of come alive and I
1:06:43like that interaction i also like to
1:06:45alternate yeah she's more
1:06:47three-dimensional in in within this
1:06:49alternate timeline i also i'm looking
1:06:52forward to greatly the moment when when
1:06:54Lincoln and Lincoln meet because those
1:06:56are two other characters that I think
1:06:57are 50 difference of what they've done
1:07:00such a great job with the alternates of
1:07:02having them be different characters that
1:07:04honestly I go long periods of time
1:07:07watching the show and this is full
1:07:09credit to them not just the special
1:07:10effects but the actors into the with the
1:07:12writers I go I go long periods of time
1:07:15without realizing that i am actually
1:07:18watching the same actor playing both
1:07:21parts because you know Olivia and her
1:07:23duplicate are completely different
1:07:25characters and they do have done a very
1:07:28good job of that it doesn't feel like
1:07:30different mannerisms different speech
1:07:31patterns different yeah it's impressive
1:07:34yeah it's not like you're watching The
1:07:35Parent Trap so they have they have them
1:07:38both in the same wigs that was the best
1:07:39part because the full Livia is trying to
1:07:41round up like a little but you can still
1:07:42tell me tell us are even though she's
1:07:44trying to look exactly like the other
1:07:45one and apparently in and another little
1:07:48twist we have the apparently Broyles is
1:07:51still alive in the afternoon in the
1:07:52canyons they changed history
1:07:54simplysilent that was a parallel
1:07:56universe alternate timeline that was
1:07:57suddenly done actually where they talk
1:07:59about Broyles so I am I turned to I'm
1:08:01like I don't know why I think he was
1:08:03dead so and but it's just like you know
1:08:05nobody was here because in that whole
1:08:08incident where the full Olivia was in
1:08:10our universe yeah and so that ever
1:08:13happened because Peter was never there
1:08:15yeah it's it's uh yeah it's it's a quite
1:08:17a mind-bending kind of thing but it's an
1:08:19enjoyable time enjoying it i really am
1:08:21having a good series with that i'm
1:08:22looking forward to the future episodes
1:08:24and I know there are I heard they're
1:08:25bringing back jared harris who I really
1:08:27loved as an antagonist the from mad men
1:08:31alright so i want to also mention before
1:08:34we go one more show on my list that i
1:08:37want to miss this community which is a
1:08:38sitcom
1:08:39so why even bring it up but first off
1:08:42you're listening to this podcast you
1:08:43have a watch community
1:08:44you owe it to yourself to watch it just
1:08:47try it i think there is there so much in
1:08:50there that that people have a gear
1:08:52persuasion
1:08:53will love that one episode in particular
1:08:56which is called remedial chaos theory in
1:08:58which the characters live a seven
1:09:02different alternate timelines based on
1:09:04who goes downstairs to get the pizza is
1:09:08one of the funniest things i've i've
1:09:10seen on TV and like five or ten years
1:09:12great episode and then you you you nerds
1:09:16out there may also appreciate the
1:09:18running gag this season where one of the
1:09:20characters Abed discovers a new TV show
1:09:23that is my favorite show which is called
1:09:26Inspector Spacetime which may resemble
1:09:28other long-running British shows a or
1:09:33not as i understand it there's another
1:09:35particular british show which is
1:09:37basically just a ripoff of Inspector
1:09:38Spacetime yes yes it is a knockoff of
1:09:41its an inspector spacetime is a is a
1:09:43British police inspector who with his
1:09:48partner who is a a British cop with a
1:09:51big tall Hatton and a nightstick they
1:09:54travel in a phone booth through time and
1:09:57space and so it's a long-running show
1:09:59has been on since the sixties yes yes
1:10:02inspector spacetime anyway so that's
1:10:04that's in there and and and remedial
1:10:07chaos theory fantastic episode with
1:10:09multiple timelines great show lots of
1:10:12insane premises that make it that's what
1:10:15makes it not just your regular your
1:10:16regular run-of-the-mill sitcom they they
1:10:18try very hard to do kind of outlandish
1:10:21episodes and i love i love community
1:10:24dearly so i want to recommend it and
1:10:27this season has 100% more John Goodman
1:10:29which yes it does with animals percent
1:10:32more Omar from the wire and yes I work
1:10:35for the wires in it as I was rather than
1:10:38one of my favorite random aside moments
1:10:41in this entire season is what happened
1:10:42to legos you'll know what I'm talking
1:10:46about it and I didn't know what he was
1:10:48talking about
1:10:49yes yes I know exactly anybody of a
1:10:52certain age knows exactly what it is
1:10:54talking about yeah
1:10:55yes none of these conversations I'm
1:10:57having make any sense but that's
1:10:59it's a love that show clearly that they
1:11:04gonna do a puppet episode in musical
1:11:05episode 2i it's only a matter of time
1:11:07they've done a claymation episode so
1:11:09they did they did and the dungeons
1:11:11dragons contest last year which was a
1:11:12fantastic summer houses and yes
1:11:16paintball episodes each other so many
1:11:17good so many good episodes yes you do it
1:11:19to yourself to watch watch community
1:11:21placement any other shows coming back at
1:11:23you guys particularly like that you want
1:11:25to give a public to announce the time we
1:11:26have a conversation with myself about
1:11:28supernatural season 7 has been excellent
1:11:30conversation with myself about haven but
1:11:34that's just it'sit's another
1:11:35entertaining little it's the end of the
1:11:37week you don't want to think too hard
1:11:38its favorite starfish
1:11:40yes I find network that the amanda
1:11:43tapping protects an alien animals from
1:11:45now you know that's what everyone know
1:11:49anybody that show is the real so yeah
1:11:51that's been sanctuary oh that I think
1:11:54you should see century seems like it
1:11:56should be about months and visualization
1:11:58sanctuary
1:12:00yeah it's absolutely it's yeah
1:12:01absolutely no this is basic basically
1:12:05it's a show where the episodes have here
1:12:07you're an FAA ran an FBI agent who may
1:12:10or may not actually that page
1:12:12she's not sure has to deal is is exiled
1:12:15to a small main town where and she deals
1:12:17with a freak of the week while also
1:12:18unraveling kuester ultimately this is
1:12:21based on a stephen king it was nominally
1:12:24based on going to sweat it okay yeah in
1:12:26that they were both written in english
1:12:28language haha well takes place in Maine
1:12:30come on yes that's what i think is
1:12:32copyrighted mean by this point hasn't
1:12:34yes that's what you want higher state of
1:12:36Maine to get a permission from Stephen
1:12:38King to film in Maine or to say they
1:12:40were filming me
1:12:41yeah purgatory this man okay so Haven so
1:12:45Haven so it's it's it's it's funny it's
1:12:47it's it's got a nice light sensing about
1:12:49itself and they give give people credit
1:12:51for for being able to pay attention from
1:12:53week to week but they it's also good
1:12:54show did in and out if you don't want to
1:12:56pay a lot of attention and have slowed
1:12:57decompression of a plot over an entire
1:12:59season write and draw and sorry dan dan
1:13:02loves supernatural why you know I i will
1:13:05say i will say that that grim is a poor
1:13:06man supernatural sorry SI it is you have
1:13:10never seen maybe for natural but I don't
1:13:12get it does
1:13:12it does the it does it better does the
1:13:15supernatural the creepy strange
1:13:18creatures and monsters thing it does it
1:13:20better but their know-how there no there
1:13:23no teen teen heartthrobs and grandma do
1:13:25you think that guy wasn't cast because
1:13:27it's a heartthrob really knows cast
1:13:30because the guy who looks like branded
1:13:32rufiyaa for her superb acting ability
1:13:35yeah you're just clearly alright
1:13:37supernatural so if you like rim you love
1:13:40supernatural travel back in time eight
1:13:42years and watch that instead it's all
1:13:44gonna be on netflix oh it's very good
1:13:46then I'll watch it right all right any
1:13:50other returning shows we should we
1:13:52should make the listeners aware of what
1:13:54my sunday nights a banish my wife from
1:13:57the liver and because you cannot watch
1:13:58walking dead because it's too tense for
1:14:00her and then after walking dead i watch
1:14:02dexter so Dexter is back and she she can
1:14:05tell you like to unwind on sunday nights
1:14:07but you're telling i do I like to watch
1:14:08zombies in serial killers any and then
1:14:11you're covered in blood and need to
1:14:12rinse off before center time
1:14:14ah ok any other shows before we go any
1:14:17other things you'd like to recommend any
1:14:19play shows i watch that I'm not gonna
1:14:20recommend alright so so on that note now
1:14:24that we've given people I it's like a
1:14:27dozen shows they can watch only a few of
1:14:30which we actually recommend so we
1:14:32basically wasted
1:14:34not only this hour of the listeners time
1:14:37but many other hours of their lives will
1:14:39be watching these TV shows that we're
1:14:41job well done
1:14:42tweet me if you want to watch revenge on
1:14:43pacific time that's very good LOL
1:14:46Schwyzer anything wanna watch revenge on
1:14:48pacific time and join in the fun
1:14:51the Hamptons will never be the same
1:14:53after the revenge is wrought
1:14:55Oh or other thing altitude into revenge
1:14:58but of course i will end up watching
1:15:00process but it's got it he's got to this
1:15:04TV is like what there's only private the
1:15:06only show that's on its right again
1:15:08every channel its prime suspect
1:15:11its main irate Scott's TV lady no it's
1:15:15not that's right
1:15:15soon we'll find Scott and he'll be where
1:15:18Maria Bello goes to the Hamptons prevent
1:15:21yeah so so we've now covered many many
1:15:25shows from the falsies
1:15:26is only hope we've maybe maybe made you
1:15:28interested in something that you were
1:15:30otherwise not interested in or maybe or
1:15:33maybe lisa has frightened you away from
1:15:35American Horror Story oh no I guess that
1:15:37this thing is it is a work of lunatic
1:15:41I wouldn't say brilliance maybe it's
1:15:43just shiny blue tick shininess yeah and
1:15:47shiny and when in doubt just ask scott
1:15:49Mykelti and he'll tell you that the show
1:15:51he's watching his prime suspect
1:15:52exactly check that out of things we've
1:15:54learned profits prime suspect all the
1:15:56way down all the way down if you turn
1:15:58lbc on chances are prime suspect but
1:16:00suspect will be on unless its community
1:16:02it was a prime suspect
1:16:04so until next time I want to thank my
1:16:06guess who watch a lot of TV which is
1:16:09nice because i don't have enough time to
1:16:11watch all that myself I have to delegate
1:16:13tv-watching to others it's this is my
1:16:15life so thank you to Scotland LT thank
1:16:19you very much thank you for watching TV
1:16:21and and I'm and you and your wife need
1:16:24to work out some sort of deal where you
1:16:26don't have to watch a gifted man if she
1:16:29doesn't have to watch the walking dead
1:16:30that's that is true i don't want to
1:16:32watch it but i think i'm going to okay
1:16:35well it was nice knowing you I'm sorry
1:16:37John siracusa thank you for thank you
1:16:39for being here as always thank you all
1:16:42for validating my decision is not to
1:16:44watch certain show that's right you get
1:16:46a delegation it's great teamwork
1:16:48teamwork you don't have to watch all the
1:16:50shows other people watch them for you
1:16:52been boy check thank you very much for
1:16:55being here and I I loved your enthusiasm
1:16:58about boss I felt like you and Scott
1:17:00made a connection
1:17:01yes and thank you for having me now go
1:17:03to hell of a lot of you that's well said
1:17:08that the boss everybody plus dan more'n
1:17:12thanks for being here and thanks for
1:17:13plugging supernatural you
1:17:15oh I will plug it to my dying gay
1:17:18payment from the dreamy boy supernatural
1:17:21will be in the mail that that's not
1:17:24actually that sounds pretty sweet yeah i
1:17:26have a bunch of other shows that i would
1:17:28but i don't wanna be laughed at anymore
1:17:29haha for to him we're walking your one
1:17:34now Jason yeah now we're gonna forget
1:17:38don't forget okay we'll leave it where
1:17:39it is and Lisa Schmeisser thank you as
1:17:43always for being on it was a pleasure
1:17:45thank you
1:17:46until next time you've got lots of goat
1:17:48TV go watch TV now because we're done
1:17:50until next time for the uncomfortable
1:17:52thanks for listening
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1:18:10today I'm really have more embarrassing
1:18:13shows than revenge revenge not
1:18:16embarrassing at all to go back
1:18:17supernaturals way more embarrassing but
1:18:20I don't know and I haven't seen either
1:18:22one but I've heard them now both of them
1:18:23described at length and I don't know
1:18:27so Dan rally rally shows often
1:18:30yeah well I don't I got a lot of ones
1:18:32that probably people do i mean i I'm
1:18:34sorry no fires just even it up castle by
1:18:38Catherine hood
1:18:40I hate pad I like to experiment I hawaii
1:18:44five-o oh yeah watched perception psych
1:18:48always watching that this really like it
1:18:51burn notice is coming back its back to
1:18:54give him more work Jason over to fairs
1:18:58as it just scratches that's terrible spy
1:19:00itch i have how is this even possible
1:19:03it's wasn't on tape because that
1:19:05terrible spy it i have would be an
1:19:06awesome awesome title and I mean I'm
1:19:08still working on today-- operator
1:19:10recording as well
1:19:11yes for anything else on my list that i
1:19:14didn't actually mention i think that
1:19:15pretty much I mean uh no one mentioned
1:19:17parks rec that's actually good show that
1:19:18is hard to recognize you already have no
1:19:20shame i have no shame about parks
1:19:21recreation know it's a lot of shows it's
1:19:23a great show i watch a lot of TV I live
1:19:25alone John here
1:19:27oh no kids lives alone why it kept him
1:19:31to get this your bodies in the freezer
1:19:32really but speaking of dexter uh I love
1:19:36dexter I also my wife makes me watch The
1:19:38Good Wife which I actually like my wife
1:19:41my wife watches that too i can't i can't
1:19:42do it i is going on I got to that was a
1:19:45reference to the good wife on
1:19:46supernatural huh
1:19:48it is the gateway to all knowledge
1:19:51basically yes through their dance
1:19:54unified supernatural field Barack
1:19:56Obama's your bicycle and supernatural is
1:19:58dancing spaced yep it is pretty much it
1:20:02has become that this year now that I've
1:20:04watched all of it
1:20:05okay I'm gonna hang up now now that we
1:20:07know the secret of damn shame which is
1:20:09that he watches I'm suspects about the
1:20:12site don't watch
1:20:15I don't want this is--that's be i only
1:20:18watch prime suspect family get me
1:20:20confused my arch-nemesis exact not
1:20:22Scott's world it's like I like that
1:20:24there's the prime suspect with a woman
1:20:26in the Hat is the prime suspect for the
1:20:27two guys who solve crime
1:20:29I'm suspect that's the sitcom on prime
1:20:31suspect where she talks to her dead
1:20:33husband that's right it's in the show
1:20:35has surprising rain shine Dennis the Hat
1:20:39is the only after week everyone with
1:20:41something to have you think it's
1:20:42something different no I like it