The Incomparable

61: Number Ones


00:00:00   the incomparable contest number 61 to [TS]

00:00:10   entry-level welcome to another edition [TS]

00:00:15   of the incomparable podcast i am jason [TS]

00:00:18   Snell your host and i convened this [TS]

00:00:22   meeting of the comic book club joining [TS]

00:00:24   us today are two regular members of the [TS]

00:00:27   comic book club introduce them now first [TS]

00:00:30   jason reitman hi Jason pay for the point [TS]

00:00:34   of this this episode I'm going to go as [TS]

00:00:36   the number-one Jason all right you could [TS]

00:00:39   be the good Jason I'll be I'll be I'll [TS]

00:00:42   be even the letter A Jason how about [TS]

00:00:44   that area go [TS]

00:00:45   also joining us is Lisa Schmeisser hi [TS]

00:00:48   Lisa [TS]

00:00:49   I gotta Jason Jason either Jason [TS]

00:00:52   adjacent either you know you're not you [TS]

00:00:55   are coming to us live from your home [TS]

00:00:57   well yeah and we have two other people [TS]

00:01:01   will say two depending on how much one [TS]

00:01:03   of them wants to talk one-and-a-half to [TS]

00:01:05   coming this is a big link-up between the [TS]

00:01:08   uncomfortable and the great powers at [TS]

00:01:10   five by five [TS]

00:01:12   dan Benjamin the genius behind the five [TS]

00:01:15   by five podcast network and a comic book [TS]

00:01:17   nerd joins us as well hi Dan [TS]

00:01:19   hey are you Jason I'm doing well how [TS]

00:01:22   does it feel to be on the other end of [TS]

00:01:24   the microphone I've guy can say it's [TS]

00:01:26   about time I mean not if I must say [TS]

00:01:29   shame on you for not inviting me sooner [TS]

00:01:31   but I'm glad to be here it's a thrill [TS]

00:01:33   it's great to have you and his faith [TS]

00:01:36   korpi there as well she is in there he's [TS]

00:01:39   hanging out with income we're just [TS]

00:01:40   reading comic book you're reading comics [TS]

00:01:42   that's what they do here [TS]

00:01:43   faith what what what is your title what [TS]

00:01:45   do you call yourself at five by five and [TS]

00:01:48   the producer you are the producer but [TS]

00:01:50   the Lord no Stan needs one so I sure do [TS]

00:01:53   I no restriction has no faith knows so [TS]

00:01:57   our topic today on the comic book club [TS]

00:01:59   appropriate because recently in the last [TS]

00:02:03   five or six weeks DC Comics relaunched [TS]

00:02:07   its entire comic book line and what they [TS]

00:02:10   did was they reset every issue [TS]

00:02:13   you number one and released a whole set [TS]

00:02:15   of number-one so our topic today is not [TS]

00:02:18   just the DC relaunch although I imagine [TS]

00:02:20   we might spend a lot of time on that but [TS]

00:02:22   also the concept of a comic book number [TS]

00:02:25   one in general because we can talk about [TS]

00:02:27   maybe are our favorites if we have them [TS]

00:02:30   or even whether number ones are any good [TS]

00:02:32   which I i I'm showing my hand a little [TS]

00:02:34   bit there so 02 to get started I i do [TS]

00:02:39   want to talk about DC as we record this [TS]

00:02:42   they just released a bunch of number [TS]

00:02:44   two's this is not about number two is [TS]

00:02:47   this is about number one so I I thought [TS]

00:02:51   go around the virtual table and ask [TS]

00:02:52   people for their thoughts about if [TS]

00:02:54   they've got a particular DC relaunch [TS]

00:02:58   number one issue that they want to [TS]

00:02:59   highlight as as being particularly good [TS]

00:03:03   particularly enjoyable and I thought I [TS]

00:03:05   would start with mr. Brightman yes i did [TS]

00:03:09   read all 52 number ones some of the the [TS]

00:03:13   titles and characters i was familiar [TS]

00:03:14   with others [TS]

00:03:15   I never read or seen before and some of [TS]

00:03:19   them were i would say huge [TS]

00:03:22   disappointments and others intrigue me [TS]

00:03:24   enough that i would pick up number two [TS]

00:03:26   so I think ones that spring to mind that [TS]

00:03:30   were kind of intriguing were it once I [TS]

00:03:35   never would've expected like suicide [TS]

00:03:37   squad or batwing and once I expected to [TS]

00:03:42   like and did were like action comics [TS]

00:03:44   number one by Grant Morrison and yeah [TS]

00:03:48   yeah in then omak number 10 mac mock [TS]

00:03:52   where and how you pronounce it the one [TS]

00:03:54   man army corps yes the one man army [TS]

00:03:56   corps was good but it is almost it was [TS]

00:04:00   structurally the exact same as the [TS]

00:04:01   original Kirby kind of number one as [TS]

00:04:04   well so that was more enjoyable in a [TS]

00:04:06   pastiche kind of way [TS]

00:04:08   so yeah there's a there's quite a few i [TS]

00:04:10   would say a good ten or eleven that [TS]

00:04:12   would intrigue me enough to go on and [TS]

00:04:13   then the majority made all the mistakes [TS]

00:04:16   that a lot of number-one issues make in [TS]

00:04:20   in not having enough of a hook to kind [TS]

00:04:22   of get you to get the next issue or care [TS]

00:04:24   enough about the characters [TS]

00:04:26   your story or plot or whatever to go [TS]

00:04:29   onto a second issue because we really [TS]

00:04:31   face it [TS]

00:04:31   number ones are really really hard they [TS]

00:04:33   have a lot to do i think we're going to [TS]

00:04:35   talk about that but first i want to go [TS]

00:04:36   around so Lisa do you have any [TS]

00:04:37   particular favorites from the DC number [TS]

00:04:39   ones did you did you read some of the DC [TS]

00:04:41   number ones i have to show my hand here [TS]

00:04:44   and admit the only 1i check that was [TS]

00:04:45   birds of prey because that was the windy [TS]

00:04:47   series i enjoyed regularly and i was [TS]

00:04:50   curious to see how it would fare when [TS]

00:04:52   Gail Simone wasn't writing it and my [TS]

00:04:56   initial response was that it's beautiful [TS]

00:04:59   the art by AZ ascites is that how you [TS]

00:05:02   say his name anyway did the artist [TS]

00:05:06   gorgeous [TS]

00:05:06   it's a beautiful book to look at i am [TS]

00:05:09   not sold on the writing yet but i don't [TS]

00:05:12   think i'm going to be able to pass [TS]

00:05:14   judgment on it until it finishes out the [TS]

00:05:16   first story arc and we get it I get a [TS]

00:05:18   real sense for how consistently this guy [TS]

00:05:20   plans on establishing and maintaining [TS]

00:05:23   characterization and relationships [TS]

00:05:25   between the characters so I'm surprised [TS]

00:05:28   you didn't read that girl since that is [TS]

00:05:31   the the Gail Simone which you feel [TS]

00:05:34   opposed to what they did or oh I have [TS]

00:05:38   very strong feelings about oracle and [TS]

00:05:40   i'm going to stay away from that one [TS]

00:05:43   until i can look at it with a less me [TS]

00:05:46   jerk reflexive angry mindset going into [TS]

00:05:50   it so it might be awhile before i take a [TS]

00:05:52   look at that [TS]

00:05:52   alright I sense that there's some [TS]

00:05:55   unresolved issues there [TS]

00:05:57   yeah yeah Tian Yu I know have devoured [TS]

00:06:02   these number ones you know you have some [TS]

00:06:04   favorite yeah yeah yeah and I'm glad you [TS]

00:06:07   know trying to force me to just pick you [TS]

00:06:09   know pick one favorite because that [TS]

00:06:11   would that would nearly kill me I'm [TS]

00:06:12   trying to be odd [TS]

00:06:14   yeah i mean if I honestly if I had to [TS]

00:06:16   pick if I had to pick one favorite I it [TS]

00:06:19   it it be a detective comics number one I [TS]

00:06:22   mean I've always loved detective comics [TS]

00:06:24   vol will always always love Batman so [TS]

00:06:27   and and I mean art in the work that that [TS]

00:06:29   Daniels doing in there Tony Daniel is [TS]

00:06:32   just i mean that that in my mind that [TS]

00:06:35   sort of at least the first one which [TS]

00:06:36   yeah it is a dark story line [TS]

00:06:38   but I mean that just as laying down the [TS]

00:06:40   gauntlet for you know okay kids pay [TS]

00:06:42   attention this is this is how you do a [TS]

00:06:43   number one and this is how you take a [TS]

00:06:44   character that people have known for [TS]

00:06:47   forever and tell a story about him [TS]

00:06:51   that's new and intriguing and and you [TS]

00:06:53   know poses a lot of questions and really [TS]

00:06:55   treats it is [TS]

00:06:56   yes is a character everybody knows but [TS]

00:06:57   here's something new or here's a [TS]

00:06:59   different take [TS]

00:07:00   and doing that without losing what makes [TS]

00:07:03   Batman and detective comics together [TS]

00:07:05   great i think i think that's that's the [TS]

00:07:08   winner for me but even just for getting [TS]

00:07:10   this story [TS]

00:07:11   I'm cash looking at what like Williams [TS]

00:07:14   and black man is doing for batwoman [TS]

00:07:15   artwork i just look at that is just [TS]

00:07:17   artwork take take the words out and just [TS]

00:07:20   look at that as artwork it's it's it's [TS]

00:07:22   some of the best artwork that's [TS]

00:07:23   available in print today are you saying [TS]

00:07:24   we need to take the words out [TS]

00:07:26   not at all I'm just saying looking at it [TS]

00:07:28   as a war as a just a an illustrative [TS]

00:07:31   work of art out but no I love the story [TS]

00:07:33   i think i think the stories in a lot of [TS]

00:07:35   these are great i think i think there's [TS]

00:07:37   been some disappointments to but i [TS]

00:07:38   actually just picked up i missed getting [TS]

00:07:40   out the first issue of swamp thing when [TS]

00:07:43   it first came out and I've got a second [TS]

00:07:45   printing of it here that I'm just [TS]

00:07:47   starting to read before before today and [TS]

00:07:50   actually somebody is sending it sending [TS]

00:07:52   an original you know like a first print [TS]

00:07:54   to me the just being nice but again the [TS]

00:07:58   story and that looks looks great and the [TS]

00:08:00   swamp thing has been so abused over the [TS]

00:08:02   years I have you know I hope that's my [TS]

00:08:04   sleeper [TS]

00:08:05   that's my underdog alright one thing if [TS]

00:08:08   I can jump back in for a moment I might [TS]

00:08:09   actually go back and take a look for the [TS]

00:08:11   authority first storm watches first [TS]

00:08:13   issue just because I've been following [TS]

00:08:14   that series on and off since it came out [TS]

00:08:16   and I'm kind of curious to see how [TS]

00:08:17   they're going to integrate into the DC [TS]

00:08:19   Universe this is hilarious because as [TS]

00:08:21   you guys can see jason reitman face but [TS]

00:08:23   I can and he is grimace repeatedly [TS]

00:08:25   grimace at the DJ at that convention of [TS]

00:08:28   Detective Comics and again he tried to [TS]

00:08:29   wave you off Lisa from storm watch [TS]

00:08:32   don't do it i would love to hear your [TS]

00:08:34   life skate that well this is Jorge's [TS]

00:08:35   stormwater will detective to me just [TS]

00:08:38   read a little bit more like they went [TS]

00:08:41   really dark and stuff which is I guess [TS]

00:08:45   find it but it's it's sort of it read a [TS]

00:08:48   little bit more like angry baby are it [TS]

00:08:51   is it's not hard [TS]

00:08:52   to go really dark with Batman and it'd [TS]

00:08:54   be like all this energy with it and it [TS]

00:08:57   was sort of like naked violent Joker and [TS]

00:09:00   people dying and lots of blood and and [TS]

00:09:02   didn't think that's what the comics all [TS]

00:09:05   about man that's what it said they're [TS]

00:09:06   taking it they're taking it to all a [TS]

00:09:09   whole nother level it's it's it's a lie [TS]

00:09:11   i think it's a totally valid [TS]

00:09:12   interpretation but to me it seemed so [TS]

00:09:16   easy as a writer to do that and there's [TS]

00:09:19   nothing complicated nothing surprising [TS]

00:09:21   nothing hard nothing interesting about [TS]

00:09:23   it for me there they may have gone [TS]

00:09:25   further with that take [TS]

00:09:26   but it wasn't new or different or [TS]

00:09:29   interesting enough to interest me [TS]

00:09:31   you kind of story while which one do [TS]

00:09:34   which one do you like the for me for me [TS]

00:09:39   for they can sit in the first issue and [TS]

00:09:41   what's exciting about first issues and [TS]

00:09:44   for me it's always you know you need you [TS]

00:09:46   have to establish the world the [TS]

00:09:47   characters the throw in a primary kind [TS]

00:09:50   of motivation thing sort of like a [TS]

00:09:53   here's the world up something happens it [TS]

00:09:55   has to be sort of interesting enough to [TS]

00:09:56   then pick up the next issue and [TS]

00:09:58   hopefully be a kind of a complete story [TS]

00:09:59   by itself and i would actually point to [TS]

00:10:01   as my favorite example of this when [TS]

00:10:06   Martin when peter milligan and my [TS]

00:10:08   cauldron took over x-force before it was [TS]

00:10:11   named ecstatic it it was x-force 116 but [TS]

00:10:16   it was the first issue because it was a [TS]

00:10:17   completely new team of characters [TS]

00:10:18   completely different direction complete [TS]

00:10:20   break from the past and they introduced [TS]

00:10:22   all of these characters through the the [TS]

00:10:25   story it was kind of interesting [TS]

00:10:26   introduce all these characters i think [TS]

00:10:28   like seven of them and by the last page [TS]

00:10:31   all but one was all but two were dead [TS]

00:10:33   including the main character the entire [TS]

00:10:36   story focused on and two of the side [TS]

00:10:39   kind of characters were left alive and [TS]

00:10:40   you're just like what it in shock shock [TS]

00:10:45   number one right where you're not seeing [TS]

00:10:47   the story you think you are right and [TS]

00:10:50   I'd certainly picked up the second issue [TS]

00:10:52   and kept going it was really really well [TS]

00:10:55   done now i want to say i like detective [TS]

00:10:59   comics I didn't love it and I i see [TS]

00:11:01   Jason's point there but I also see Dan's [TS]

00:11:03   point I like better than that [TS]

00:11:05   man number one which i also read Batman [TS]

00:11:08   number one to me suffers from a disease [TS]

00:11:10   that I thought that DC was getting rid [TS]

00:11:12   of which they failed to get rid of which [TS]

00:11:14   is the kind of continuity reboot stuff [TS]

00:11:18   because i really expected them to go to [TS]

00:11:20   kind of a back to a kind of cop classic [TS]

00:11:22   Batman story and instead in Batman [TS]

00:11:25   number one you get you know you get his [TS]

00:11:27   son is Robin and their former Robbins [TS]

00:11:30   running around under new identities [TS]

00:11:31   which i know is part of the continuity [TS]

00:11:33   but to me I felt like that was a that [TS]

00:11:36   was a mistake that they that they are [TS]

00:11:38   trying to replicate parts of the [TS]

00:11:40   universe that they want to keep on that [TS]

00:11:42   they want to keep alive when they [TS]

00:11:44   probably would have been better off [TS]

00:11:45   going back to basics detective comics [TS]

00:11:47   because there is none of that kind of [TS]

00:11:48   Wayne family interplay in fact it's [TS]

00:11:51   essentially I think Bruce Wayne is [TS]

00:11:53   uncounseled for one panel it's really [TS]

00:11:56   about Batman and I like the twist where [TS]

00:11:59   there's this question of is the Joker [TS]

00:12:01   the victim or the killer or a little bit [TS]

00:12:03   of both that I that I really like it was [TS]

00:12:05   my favorite but i'll defend it a little [TS]

00:12:07   bit because I I it it gave me more of [TS]

00:12:11   what I expected from a kind of history [TS]

00:12:14   free Batman story then Batman number one [TS]

00:12:18   did what i felt weighed down by the DC [TS]

00:12:19   continuity I don't wanna get too far [TS]

00:12:21   into this before asking faith what she [TS]

00:12:23   liked from the the the number ones that [TS]

00:12:25   we've seen in the last month [TS]

00:12:27   okay well I have to admit that I'm new [TS]

00:12:30   DC comics so I do I've sort of been ok [TS]

00:12:34   cool cool because there's a lot of [TS]

00:12:36   converts out there really i was always a [TS]

00:12:38   Marvel die [TS]

00:12:39   I mean I read Batman but that was it yes [TS]

00:12:41   I i'm using this is my jumping off point [TS]

00:12:43   right that i am free of the continuity [TS]

00:12:45   because i don't understand it and so I [TS]

00:12:46   want to see and that's why I reacted so [TS]

00:12:49   badly to Batman number one I think is [TS]

00:12:51   like I I knew that they had done stuff [TS]

00:12:53   like this and there are many robins and [TS]

00:12:54   his son is around but you know I you [TS]

00:12:57   know I that's notthat doesn't fit with [TS]

00:12:59   my kind of idealized view of Batman as a [TS]

00:13:01   jumping-off point so go ahead [TS]

00:13:03   oh no so the first one I read was the [TS]

00:13:06   the Justice League One which i really [TS]

00:13:08   like but I was a little overwhelmed why [TS]

00:13:10   I guess by the sheer number of [TS]

00:13:12   characters in it and then I'm kept it i [TS]

00:13:16   mean there weren't they [TS]

00:13:17   wasn't the whole justice league right it [TS]

00:13:18   was essentially Batman with green [TS]

00:13:20   lantern and then early age of Superman [TS]

00:13:23   so it was they were trying to keep it [TS]

00:13:24   simple [TS]

00:13:25   certainly yeah there they were trying [TS]

00:13:28   that one yeah yeah other than that Dan [TS]

00:13:31   has sort of been like oh here read this [TS]

00:13:33   one read this one read this one so i'm [TS]

00:13:36   getting a little which was the one that [TS]

00:13:37   you were really excited about Dan swamp [TS]

00:13:39   swamp thing [TS]

00:13:40   no I thought you said Aquaman oh yeah I [TS]

00:13:42   think aqua thanks for bringing that up [TS]

00:13:44   Aquaman's great that's great i want to [TS]

00:13:47   read more Aquaman never picked up a copy [TS]

00:13:49   Aquaman my life i want to see number two [TS]

00:13:51   I'd agree with that too Aquaman was [TS]

00:13:53   really good and well I want to finally [TS]

00:13:55   won him over [TS]

00:13:55   yeah I i totally agree with that Aquaman [TS]

00:13:58   number one was really good and swamp [TS]

00:13:59   thing everyone was surprisingly good as [TS]

00:14:01   a as well so I'm on board with dan now [TS]

00:14:06   oh good now you know you safe you're on [TS]

00:14:08   board with that fit so faith [TS]

00:14:10   um one animal man oh I did read Animal [TS]

00:14:14   Man um we will only breed a state which [TS]

00:14:17   a tradition one either Jason Jason's I [TS]

00:14:22   actually I liked animal man I i liked [TS]

00:14:24   the ending of animal man i had i had [TS]

00:14:26   read a review of it before reading it to [TS]

00:14:29   I knew what the ending was but I I I [TS]

00:14:32   still thought it was kind of an [TS]

00:14:32   impactful interesting ending that we had [TS]

00:14:35   me intrigued enough to read the second [TS]

00:14:37   issue i never even heard animal man [TS]

00:14:40   everybody's I've got I've got one into [TS]

00:14:41   sitting on the desk I haven't written in [TS]

00:14:43   my to-read pile i would go back and look [TS]

00:14:45   for the grant morrison run on animal man [TS]

00:14:47   because that was to me the definitive [TS]

00:14:49   run on the character and I'd be [TS]

00:14:51   interested to see what they're doing [TS]

00:14:51   with it now and they're doing a little [TS]

00:14:54   bit of the grand more because grant [TS]

00:14:56   morrison made it the the gun very meta [TS]

00:14:59   story [TS]

00:15:00   yeah like in Grant Morrison's rent run [TS]

00:15:02   the grant morrison as the author was [TS]

00:15:04   talking to animals animal man in the [TS]

00:15:07   story yeah by the end of it was very [TS]

00:15:08   very hey why are you doing this to me [TS]

00:15:11   yeah and this has some of that vibe [TS]

00:15:12   though it doesn't go in the same [TS]

00:15:14   direction so it still feels kind of [TS]

00:15:15   refreshing and unique [TS]

00:15:17   oh yeah I so the ones that i looked at I [TS]

00:15:22   like i did kinda like the Justice League [TS]

00:15:25   two two faiths point as a jumping-off [TS]

00:15:28   point i like that they were kind of [TS]

00:15:30   restrained think [TS]

00:15:31   would have just had it be two pages on [TS]

00:15:33   each member or something instead it was [TS]

00:15:34   really Batman who is I think maybe their [TS]

00:15:37   best character and he got time and then [TS]

00:15:39   they bring green lantern and he's in [TS]

00:15:41   some ways comic relief because he's [TS]

00:15:42   portrayed as being a big lummox which [TS]

00:15:45   wich Green Lantern is it it is al Jordan [TS]

00:15:49   it's held your house or okay yeah he is [TS]

00:15:53   but he's a lummox and Batman outsmart [TS]

00:15:55   him and takes his ring in fact which is [TS]

00:15:57   hilarious yeah yeah and Superman is this [TS]

00:15:59   mysterious alien force which I like some [TS]

00:16:01   mystery and Superman I thought that was [TS]

00:16:02   cool [TS]

00:16:03   I don't handle easily he says I like [TS]

00:16:05   action comics I thought action comics [TS]

00:16:08   number one was really good and I'm not a [TS]

00:16:09   Superman fan and you know i love i love [TS]

00:16:13   Superman being like a guy who has was a [TS]

00:16:16   character and he has he has [TS]

00:16:17   vulnerabilities and doesn't really know [TS]

00:16:20   what he's doing and is figuring it out [TS]

00:16:22   that's just so much more compelling I [TS]

00:16:26   and the other ones I like that girl [TS]

00:16:28   which witchly lisa is you know Gail [TS]

00:16:30   Simone to do a good job you i know you [TS]

00:16:31   may be offended that she's not oracle [TS]

00:16:33   anymore although that seems to have been [TS]

00:16:35   integrated someone into the storyline [TS]

00:16:36   because it's a mystery [TS]

00:16:37   she was paralyzed and now isn't which is [TS]

00:16:39   kind of interesting and I want to make a [TS]

00:16:41   a little bit of a claim for a blue [TS]

00:16:44   beetle only because i like the Blue [TS]

00:16:47   Beetle general I actually have read the [TS]

00:16:49   Blue Beetle comment before but what I [TS]

00:16:51   really like about the Blue Beetle and [TS]

00:16:52   and this I think brings us to another [TS]

00:16:54   question about number one is blue beetle [TS]

00:16:56   felt like a number one to me it felt [TS]

00:16:58   like a fresh origin and new direction in [TS]

00:17:02   a way that some of the established [TS]

00:17:04   comics felt like they were number ones [TS]

00:17:06   with new continuity but it was really [TS]

00:17:08   the old continuity kind of kind of [TS]

00:17:09   whitewashed and they didn't actually [TS]

00:17:11   with Blue Beetle they did do a new [TS]

00:17:13   origin that they changed his origin [TS]

00:17:15   because originally it was part of the [TS]

00:17:16   final crisis or one of the crate the not [TS]

00:17:19   final the one before final crisis [TS]

00:17:21   semifinal yeah which apparently they've [TS]

00:17:23   wiped out crisis from all of the [TS]

00:17:26   continuity but I so I like those you [TS]

00:17:28   know I like the I like the fact that [TS]

00:17:30   that blue beetle was fairly [TS]

00:17:34   self-contained mean there's a story arc [TS]

00:17:35   there but really by the end of the issue [TS]

00:17:37   you-know-who Jaime Reyes is and you know [TS]

00:17:39   his friends and you know he lives in [TS]

00:17:41   texas and you know that he got [TS]

00:17:43   this you know power accidentally he gets [TS]

00:17:46   this power accidentally from this kind [TS]

00:17:48   of crashed you know space spaceship or [TS]

00:17:51   remnants of a space warrior and and then [TS]

00:17:54   you're off for the next adventure which [TS]

00:17:56   you know one of the problems I had with [TS]

00:17:58   some of these and I think modern comics [TS]

00:18:01   being so decompressed is that you end up [TS]

00:18:05   with you know you don't I [TS]

00:18:08   so here it is who had the over-under on [TS]

00:18:09   micronauts at a at 20 minutes my micros [TS]

00:18:15   number one might want to my new favorite [TS]

00:18:17   comics of all time the entire premises [TS]

00:18:19   set they have battles and they leave the [TS]

00:18:21   planet never to return in 22 pages and [TS]

00:18:25   not one of the DC Comics but uh ultimate [TS]

00:18:28   spider-man number one came out in this [TS]

00:18:30   last month too and that kids not going [TS]

00:18:33   to put on the spider-man costume until [TS]

00:18:35   like issue 5 it's not even because it's [TS]

00:18:38   so decompressed and there was a lot of [TS]

00:18:39   that in the DC stuff too and it's a [TS]

00:18:40   little frustrating because I shouldn't [TS]

00:18:43   tell me what you think shouldn't a [TS]

00:18:45   number one [TS]

00:18:47   tell tell you enough to get you [TS]

00:18:49   intrigued and I think that sometimes [TS]

00:18:50   they they they fail because they're just [TS]

00:18:54   too short [TS]

00:18:54   you're my criteria for a good number one [TS]

00:18:56   is it has to set up the premise so that [TS]

00:18:59   if someone says oh what are you reading [TS]

00:19:00   about you can say oh I'm reading about [TS]

00:19:01   an alien has put on the K or oh I'm [TS]

00:19:04   reading about this guy whose parents [TS]

00:19:05   were killed and now he solves crimes or [TS]

00:19:07   what have you and they also need to [TS]

00:19:10   introduce the primary character and it [TS]

00:19:12   should make you want to read ahead those [TS]

00:19:16   those are my big baseline criteria for [TS]

00:19:18   any number one issue didn't into in [TS]

00:19:21   preparation for this i went back and [TS]

00:19:22   reread fantastic for number one and [TS]

00:19:24   amazing spider-man number one and the [TS]

00:19:27   amazing fantasy 15 i think it was which [TS]

00:19:29   is the original the introduction of [TS]

00:19:31   spider-man or that was the whole you [TS]

00:19:34   find out you meet Peter Parker he become [TS]

00:19:36   spider-man his uncle dies with great [TS]

00:19:38   power comes great responsibility it was [TS]

00:19:40   16 pages [TS]

00:19:41   yeah and it was complete story and [TS]

00:19:44   you're like I like this guy [TS]

00:19:46   I want to learn more about him and see [TS]

00:19:48   more of his adventures [TS]

00:19:49   yeah and I don't know the DC most of the [TS]

00:19:52   DC issues lived up to that in a kind of [TS]

00:19:55   complete a lot of them didn't have [TS]

00:19:57   complete [TS]

00:19:57   stories and a lot of them didn't really [TS]

00:20:00   necessarily set up a premise for a story [TS]

00:20:02   really well because you can't get in [TS]

00:20:04   that decompress way you're talking about [TS]

00:20:05   Jason they are you get a lot of it like [TS]

00:20:08   oh the first five issues or six issues [TS]

00:20:10   here will be a complete story and I saw [TS]

00:20:12   like the opening not even a complete [TS]

00:20:15   opening chapter of this story [TS]

00:20:17   see this is why I like waiting for [TS]

00:20:19   trades at this point is because this [TS]

00:20:20   that's this way I don't have to be [TS]

00:20:22   frustrated by the incremental [TS]

00:20:23   storytelling pace i can just pick up a [TS]

00:20:25   complete Ark and and have done with it [TS]

00:20:28   dan faith what do you guys think as far [TS]

00:20:31   as your criteria for a good yeah what [TS]

00:20:33   makes the number 144 you and did you [TS]

00:20:35   feel like there was enough in these [TS]

00:20:37   number one's for you to keep reading [TS]

00:20:40   that's a great question there are a [TS]

00:20:42   handful of them that maybe I mean on the [TS]

00:20:45   one hand you want you want to identify [TS]

00:20:47   the character the main character when [TS]

00:20:49   identify the setting you want to bring [TS]

00:20:51   people in that's the real thing is I [TS]

00:20:52   mean honestly if you look at this from [TS]

00:20:55   the story standpoint you can go over and [TS]

00:20:57   look what they're doing with ultimate [TS]

00:20:58   spider-man you can say they're building [TS]

00:21:00   a story i got the first two issues that [TS]

00:21:01   thing and you know they're they're [TS]

00:21:04   building the character they're spending [TS]

00:21:05   time building the character setting the [TS]

00:21:06   scene you get the daddy got the uncle [TS]

00:21:08   you know I mean and he's got this sort [TS]

00:21:10   of power and you get the friend who [TS]

00:21:12   tells him how cool it is that he's got a [TS]

00:21:13   power and he's working out that he has a [TS]

00:21:15   power whether it's really i mean on and [TS]

00:21:16   divide spider-powers I wouldn't [TS]

00:21:18   immediately start using mine i don't i [TS]

00:21:20   don't know why comic book characters [TS]

00:21:23   always have a problem when they have [TS]

00:21:24   powers especially when the powers that [TS]

00:21:26   you can kind of get under control pretty [TS]

00:21:28   quickly [TS]

00:21:29   you know I would like EW I wouldn't mind [TS]

00:21:32   having the power to take the power given [TS]

00:21:34   the powers [TS]

00:21:35   I'll try I'll try some powers I would [TS]

00:21:37   like them I like the bestest Deacon do [TS]

00:21:40   you [TS]

00:21:40   decompression i actually liked that [TS]

00:21:41   story but as a number one you know [TS]

00:21:44   nothing really happens and then they put [TS]

00:21:45   a picture of him in a spider-man costume [TS]

00:21:47   on the cover and it's like being on a [TS]

00:21:48   where is it lets see it [TS]

00:21:50   yeah how does he get to that point how [TS]

00:21:51   many ever get this rate it'll take a [TS]

00:21:53   1500 issues before you don't figures out [TS]

00:21:56   how to make a web and they you know and [TS]

00:21:58   I I think it's just changed too much [TS]

00:22:00   racket so much for a common cause you [TS]

00:22:02   know what I'm saying I think number ones [TS]

00:22:04   really have to be it's it's a first date [TS]

00:22:06   you know and [TS]

00:22:08   against like that you got a-you got a [TS]

00:22:10   little bit of romance a little bit of [TS]

00:22:12   intrigue a little bit of mystery you [TS]

00:22:14   have to get to that second date with the [TS]

00:22:15   person and can you go to can you go too [TS]

00:22:17   far in the first comic book date you can [TS]

00:22:20   the possible going how you how do you go [TS]

00:22:21   too far your I think that's what you [TS]

00:22:23   didn't like about about the detective [TS]

00:22:25   comics it went too far free but it did [TS]

00:22:27   that just went too far in a particular [TS]

00:22:29   genre that I find like you date a girl [TS]

00:22:32   and meet you know she seems nice and [TS]

00:22:34   then you know you find out what she [TS]

00:22:36   wears combat boots and the the my [TS]

00:22:39   probably the detective comics was more [TS]

00:22:41   about like you know when bad writing [TS]

00:22:43   that using gore to cover bad writing [TS]

00:22:45   it's just like using Nazis as the bad [TS]

00:22:47   guy it's not hard you put something not [TS]

00:22:49   uniformly up bad guy and and it's just [TS]

00:22:51   lazy writing speaking of combat boots [TS]

00:22:53   this met this a metaphor that we're [TS]

00:22:55   using this frightening me by the way his [TS]

00:22:57   first dating I actually I liked it at [TS]

00:22:59   first and now it's getting right it's [TS]

00:23:00   kind of gone it's uncomfortable and it [TS]

00:23:02   isn't know what to your point about [TS]

00:23:05   amazing fantasy 15 or spider-man number [TS]

00:23:08   one or something like that is in the old [TS]

00:23:10   days you could tell a complete story in [TS]

00:23:12   and now you know people they don't do [TS]

00:23:15   that right and and so that I guess the [TS]

00:23:17   question is you either start off a 5x5 [TS]

00:23:19   issue story arc in order to force them [TS]

00:23:22   to come back through plot right instead [TS]

00:23:23   of it being I want to know more about [TS]

00:23:25   these characters that may still be there [TS]

00:23:27   too but all of these number ones from DC [TS]

00:23:29   that i read it was really a cliffhanger [TS]

00:23:31   that would give you mystery about where [TS]

00:23:33   the plot was going to go next and that [TS]

00:23:35   was the thing that would get you back [TS]

00:23:36   not the not the characters necessarily [TS]

00:23:40   because you could have done it [TS]

00:23:42   number one that was a standalone and [TS]

00:23:44   then people would have to judge it [TS]

00:23:46   entirely based on whether they wanted to [TS]

00:23:47   come back and enjoy another story [TS]

00:23:49   instead of find out what happened which [TS]

00:23:51   is a big difference I think again we're [TS]

00:23:53   back to where back to Aquaman because [TS]

00:23:55   Aquaman sets the scene tells the heck of [TS]

00:23:58   a lot about the character he says almost [TS]

00:23:59   nothing in the whole book says almost [TS]

00:24:02   nothing but like that's the 1i keep [TS]

00:24:04   coming back and thinking about because [TS]

00:24:06   there was a sense of fun there's a sense [TS]

00:24:07   of of awareness to it and he's barely do [TS]

00:24:11   i think that the kana couple guys in a [TS]

00:24:13   truck like he what he did wasn't even [TS]

00:24:15   that big of a deal [TS]

00:24:16   relatively speaking didn't save the [TS]

00:24:17   world but yet that's the one I'm the [TS]

00:24:20   kind of interested in [TS]

00:24:21   and isn't it interesting that in a genre [TS]

00:24:25   that's it's all about character all the [TS]

00:24:28   books were the most of the books focused [TS]

00:24:30   on plot right and we were not that's [TS]

00:24:35   kind of bad writing [TS]

00:24:37   well I mean it's it may be something [TS]

00:24:39   about the intrusion of of commerce on [TS]

00:24:41   the on the writing to that they feel [TS]

00:24:44   like they need to do that although i [TS]

00:24:46   think that's great i didn't read Aquaman [TS]

00:24:48   I feel like that girl actually did a [TS]

00:24:50   little bit of that too where there is an [TS]

00:24:53   ongoing plot that is supposed to be kind [TS]

00:24:55   of interesting and mysterious and she's [TS]

00:24:58   got some character background but at the [TS]

00:24:59   same time I felt like most of the pages [TS]

00:25:01   of Batgirl were spent introducing us to [TS]

00:25:05   this character and she's got this you [TS]

00:25:07   know she's kind of scarred because she [TS]

00:25:09   had something happened to her and she [TS]

00:25:11   was unable to walk for some period of [TS]

00:25:13   time and she's only now kind of [TS]

00:25:15   reentering the world and we're kind of [TS]

00:25:16   with her as she reenters and puts on her [TS]

00:25:19   costume for the first time since the [TS]

00:25:21   accident and we you know and we meet her [TS]

00:25:23   dad who's the commissioner and all those [TS]

00:25:25   things and I like that because it in a [TS]

00:25:29   way that I didn't like some of the other [TS]

00:25:31   books even though I I i like them they [TS]

00:25:34   were carrying me along with the story [TS]

00:25:36   whereas with that girl I felt much more [TS]

00:25:38   connected and that is right it's not [TS]

00:25:40   just good writing but it's also a good [TS]

00:25:41   choice i think 22 time into that [TS]

00:25:44   character because you know good writing [TS]

00:25:46   and a good character will get me to read [TS]

00:25:49   a number two more than a kind of insane [TS]

00:25:51   cliffhanger will because if I didn't [TS]

00:25:53   really enjoy the point up to the [TS]

00:25:55   cliffhanger i'm not sure i would buy [TS]

00:25:56   number to any of you read batwing now [TS]

00:26:03   alright so no comments on all answer [TS]

00:26:06   once the premise of Pat wing and [TS]

00:26:08   apparently is when Batman and in the [TS]

00:26:10   previous continuity was going around the [TS]

00:26:12   world and creating other little Batman's [TS]

00:26:14   everywhere i'm in the Batman Inc grant [TS]

00:26:17   morrison storyline is batwing was one of [TS]

00:26:19   those characters and he is in Africa [TS]

00:26:21   forget which country in africa methods [TS]

00:26:25   the Congo but he's a the African Batman [TS]

00:26:28   and interestingly in the story i haven't [TS]

00:26:32   read anything about him previously [TS]

00:26:34   they didn't really focus on him he's [TS]

00:26:36   kind of narrating stories from his point [TS]

00:26:38   of view but you really get introduced to [TS]

00:26:39   this other cop character and it's all [TS]

00:26:43   about the police forces corrupt in this [TS]

00:26:45   African nation and he's wondering about [TS]

00:26:47   this this woman and whether she's on the [TS]

00:26:50   side of angels or corrupt and then some [TS]

00:26:52   stuff happens you do you get introduced [TS]

00:26:54   to his sort of guy friday character [TS]

00:26:57   Batman makes a quick appearance but it [TS]

00:27:01   was almost as if the if as if the [TS]

00:27:02   writers new people new this character so [TS]

00:27:04   they focused on other characters to [TS]

00:27:06   bring new audience in you sort of [TS]

00:27:08   introduced to the world through his eyes [TS]

00:27:11   and I didn't really get to learn about [TS]

00:27:13   him but I didn't care because these [TS]

00:27:14   other characters were kind of [TS]

00:27:15   interesting and it was a softer story [TS]

00:27:20   and as far as things happening but they [TS]

00:27:22   were enough character interesting stuff [TS]

00:27:26   no i don't know how i feel about picking [TS]

00:27:27   up a book called batwing it's not the [TS]

00:27:31   best title of the world on the wings of [TS]

00:27:33   color [TS]

00:27:37   yeah it was a good story Lisa well you [TS]

00:27:43   haven't so Lisa you we haven't talked [TS]

00:27:45   about red hood and the outlaws [TS]

00:27:48   yeah and we also haven't talked about [TS]

00:27:52   what was the what was the other one that [TS]

00:27:54   got them in trouble [TS]

00:27:55   Catwoman will be that woman yeah i [TS]

00:27:58   bought both of those mostly just to see [TS]

00:28:00   the train wreck [TS]

00:28:01   oh it's really don't reward it uh-huh [TS]

00:28:05   you know I had died I had a podcast [TS]

00:28:07   coming up I felt like I needed to read [TS]

00:28:08   them in order to understand how bad they [TS]

00:28:11   were but you know for those who don't [TS]

00:28:12   know this is you know Richard me out was [TS]

00:28:16   robbed it reboots Starfire from the Teen [TS]

00:28:20   Titans and and it's Robin who's now or [TS]

00:28:22   no it's one of the Robins it's jason [TS]

00:28:24   todd right switch it goes back to Batman [TS]

00:28:26   continuity being very confusing and this [TS]

00:28:28   supposedly clean slate and a lot of [TS]

00:28:31   cross controversy about it because in [TS]

00:28:33   she's basically I candy and you know [TS]

00:28:37   she's got big boobs and she's posing [TS]

00:28:39   supposedly talking to to the men in the [TS]

00:28:42   frame but she's actually just posing for [TS]

00:28:43   the people looking at the frame and she [TS]

00:28:47   considers all men interchangeable and [TS]

00:28:49   just wants to have sex with them which [TS]

00:28:51   is uh yeah you know sort of got them [TS]

00:28:53   singled out as being perhaps not the [TS]

00:28:56   clean slate in terms of finding a new [TS]

00:28:59   audience that that people might have [TS]

00:29:02   expected and it's not even that shocking [TS]

00:29:04   an idea or a character conceit it's [TS]

00:29:07   actually been really played out because [TS]

00:29:09   back before they did the reboot Gail [TS]

00:29:13   Simone's brown on secret six she had two [TS]

00:29:15   characters one was knock out who was a [TS]

00:29:18   fellow female fury she and big particles [TS]

00:29:21   coming from apocalypse and knockout was [TS]

00:29:24   partnered with some vandal savages are [TS]

00:29:27   scandal savage you know I say that out [TS]

00:29:30   loud just sounds so dump anyway the [TS]

00:29:32   point is is that knockout at this very [TS]

00:29:34   very cavalier attitude towards sex and [TS]

00:29:37   she was like Bay Street her whole mo was [TS]

00:29:39   if i have an edge it's going to get [TS]

00:29:41   scratched and i'm just going to grab the [TS]

00:29:42   nearest bipedal hominid with a heartbeat [TS]

00:29:46   and go for it and and so you know this [TS]

00:29:49   is already kind of established and so to [TS]

00:29:51   have poor sweet Starfire basically [TS]

00:29:54   acting like a human realdoll they're not [TS]

00:29:56   human but inhuman real doll was was just [TS]

00:29:58   kind of really really if it's been done [TS]

00:30:01   it's boring and I don't think it did [TS]

00:30:03   much to advance the character because at [TS]

00:30:05   least in secret six it was seen as kind [TS]

00:30:07   of a character defining trait in the [TS]

00:30:09   sense that look you know I don't care [TS]

00:30:11   what you think this is how I roll [TS]

00:30:13   whereas in this case it was oh my gosh [TS]

00:30:15   it's a gorgeous woman had a bikini and [TS]

00:30:17   crazy eyes and who [TS]

00:30:20   wow it yeah it felt elated in cheap as [TS]

00:30:23   opposed to something that actually [TS]

00:30:24   explain where characters mindset came [TS]

00:30:26   from you do it was bad writing right i [TS]

00:30:28   mean there are better ways to tell that [TS]

00:30:30   even if you want to make this alien [TS]

00:30:32   character who's got very broad ideas [TS]

00:30:36   about sex and love will just show [TS]

00:30:39   different people leaving room in [TS]

00:30:40   background panels or something over [TS]

00:30:43   there are ways to do it that that don't [TS]

00:30:45   make her seem like a blow-up doll which [TS]

00:30:47   is a which is you know what they didn't [TS]

00:30:49   do it [TS]

00:30:50   it's just it's just lazy writing I mean [TS]

00:30:52   it'sit's if you wanted to to titillate [TS]

00:30:54   the you know thirteen-year-old boy [TS]

00:30:57   audience and comics are still written [TS]

00:30:58   for you do that it [TS]

00:31:00   are they are they written for the [TS]

00:31:02   thirteen-year-old audience or are they [TS]

00:31:04   written for the 30-year old ovens I was [TS]

00:31:06   gonna ask the same question so what who [TS]

00:31:08   what audiences this is this written for [TS]

00:31:10   because none of this stuff that we're [TS]

00:31:12   identifying as being a problem [TS]

00:31:15   I mean this is none of this is is new I [TS]

00:31:19   mean it maybe it's new for DC to do it [TS]

00:31:21   but it's not need to the comics genre as [TS]

00:31:23   a whole is my point but the way it's [TS]

00:31:25   being written is they took away this [TS]

00:31:27   this characters agency where all of a [TS]

00:31:30   sudden she's put on the defensive where [TS]

00:31:31   she has to explain her sexual philosophy [TS]

00:31:33   and it is judged in the framework in [TS]

00:31:36   context of a bunch of male characters [TS]

00:31:38   and so the message that sends out is [TS]

00:31:41   that however she feels or whatever role [TS]

00:31:43   she serves it's going to be wrong [TS]

00:31:45   because it wasn't defined by the men [TS]

00:31:46   that she interacts with whereas when [TS]

00:31:49   Simone did this with knockout never [TS]

00:31:50   female Furies it was it was pretty much [TS]

00:31:53   look this is this is what I do this is [TS]

00:31:55   how I roll [TS]

00:31:56   I'm sorry if you don't like it I [TS]

00:31:58   realized it was a cultural clash [TS]

00:31:59   um I'm not changing but it's not going [TS]

00:32:01   to happen again with you and it all [TS]

00:32:03   comes down to running in perspective you [TS]

00:32:06   know knock it was written as a woman [TS]

00:32:07   with sexual agency and star far was [TS]

00:32:09   written as a sex object there's a huge [TS]

00:32:11   difference [TS]

00:32:12   it comes down to without you respect the [TS]

00:32:14   character enough to give them a mind of [TS]

00:32:15   their own as opposed to making them [TS]

00:32:17   somebody else's prop I guess my am [TS]

00:32:20   concerned about this is I mean there's a [TS]

00:32:24   larger issue of sort of sexism and [TS]

00:32:25   comics and and what our audience are you [TS]

00:32:28   pandering to and and and the thing that [TS]

00:32:30   the thing that I'm shocked me about it [TS]

00:32:33   is that we know we talked earlier about [TS]

00:32:35   and faith you mentioned this that you [TS]

00:32:37   are new to DC comics and haven't read [TS]

00:32:40   these comics before when they're trying [TS]

00:32:43   to reach a new audience and got TV ads [TS]

00:32:48   actually saying you can go download [TS]

00:32:50   these things on your iPad or you can go [TS]

00:32:52   to a comic book store whatever you can [TS]

00:32:53   get them they're trying to reach a new [TS]

00:32:55   audience and then to come out with a [TS]

00:32:58   tissue like like Catwoman number one [TS]

00:33:00   where she starts out naked and slowly [TS]

00:33:02   put very slowly puts on her underwear as [TS]

00:33:05   the issue goes along or red hoodie [TS]

00:33:08   outlaws with with Starfire how she's [TS]

00:33:10   treated I I you know I i look at that [TS]

00:33:13   thing [TS]

00:33:14   you are pandering to your traditional [TS]

00:33:16   comics audience and you're and you're [TS]

00:33:17   not going to turn off people who are [TS]

00:33:21   your new audience I you know I don't [TS]

00:33:23   know if favored and you've got any any [TS]

00:33:26   thoughts about that i mean do you really [TS]

00:33:29   think they are trying to get like people [TS]

00:33:31   who haven't picked up the comic book [TS]

00:33:33   ever because I i would question the [TS]

00:33:35   likelihood of that happening i'm new to [TS]

00:33:37   DC comics but I'm not knit new to comics [TS]

00:33:40   so I mean I am very familiar with the [TS]

00:33:42   fact that typically report the [TS]

00:33:45   proportions of a woman's body or not [TS]

00:33:47   accurately portrayed yeah yeah yeah i [TS]

00:33:55   mean i would question that like someone [TS]

00:33:57   who has never picked up a comic book [TS]

00:33:59   would be going near these I do think [TS]

00:34:00   they are there they're trying to get [TS]

00:34:02   that audience that goes and sees you [TS]

00:34:05   know the movies that are out now the [TS]

00:34:06   Batman movies that did the ten or eleven [TS]

00:34:08   people who saw the green lantern film [TS]

00:34:10   that they're trying to get those new [TS]

00:34:11   those people who are familiar with the [TS]

00:34:14   characters may be familiar with comics [TS]

00:34:17   or at least comic strips from the [TS]

00:34:18   newspaper and trying to get them to pick [TS]

00:34:20   up something new so i would argue there [TS]

00:34:22   they are trying to expand the market [TS]

00:34:23   they have to because the the comic book [TS]

00:34:26   market is so small it may also be step [TS]

00:34:30   one is get back the people who have read [TS]

00:34:34   comics in the past and it's just too [TS]

00:34:36   inconvenient but they've got an ipad [TS]

00:34:38   right there or a computer that they can [TS]

00:34:40   just view them on the computer and and [TS]

00:34:43   and get them back it just you know it [TS]

00:34:44   surprises me when they talk about going [TS]

00:34:46   mainstream and DC you know has talked [TS]

00:34:48   about saying we want to be able to do TV [TS]

00:34:50   ads that they made the creative [TS]

00:34:54   decisions i don't know i don't know if [TS]

00:34:55   anybody else read those issues but I [TS]

00:34:57   maybe I'm the only one who was enough of [TS]

00:34:59   a sucker to buy red hood me outlaws and [TS]

00:35:01   by Catwoman number one just to see the [TS]

00:35:03   just to see how bad it was [TS]

00:35:05   yeah i bought cab Catwoman number one [TS]

00:35:08   before I heard there is any big deal [TS]

00:35:10   about it and when you think you know I [TS]

00:35:11   was here I was expect to be honest I was [TS]

00:35:14   expecting that from everyone I mean that [TS]

00:35:17   that's that's kind of what Catwoman has [TS]

00:35:18   always been about I mean I was not [TS]

00:35:21   expecting Catwoman to have sex with that [TS]

00:35:22   man on the last panel [TS]

00:35:24   I mean like if you think back to the tim [TS]

00:35:27   burton area of Batman movies I I try not [TS]

00:35:31   to think about that returns clubs about [TS]

00:35:33   oh ok but I mean that was that was [TS]

00:35:35   Catwoman that was her back then I with [TS]

00:35:38   Michelle Pfeiffer and enroll and people [TS]

00:35:42   thought it was great when it was [TS]

00:35:43   Michelle Pfeiffer and it wasn't really [TS]

00:35:45   that different from what we're seeing [TS]

00:35:47   now I mean you know sure you can [TS]

00:35:48   question the the last page and certainly [TS]

00:35:50   had my question whether the TT plus [TS]

00:35:53   audience i think at least in the Marvel [TS]

00:35:55   side T plus is like 13 and up [TS]

00:35:58   I don't you know I don't know if this [TS]

00:36:00   was the kind of comic that my parents [TS]

00:36:02   would have especially wanted me to read [TS]

00:36:05   when I was 13 years old i'm not saying [TS]

00:36:07   that you know kids don't find ways to [TS]

00:36:09   read things behind their parents back [TS]

00:36:11   but i'm not saying i would buy this for [TS]

00:36:13   my thirteen-year-old but that said like [TS]

00:36:16   again I I don't know if that's the [TS]

00:36:18   audience that its intended for the [TS]

00:36:20   rating system is kind of arbitrary [TS]

00:36:21   anyway but if you assume that this is a [TS]

00:36:24   comic telling it and but maybe a more [TS]

00:36:26   adult story it's not for kids if you [TS]

00:36:28   take that off if you read this thing or [TS]

00:36:30   whatever [TS]

00:36:31   I'm would it would it be as big of a [TS]

00:36:33   deal [TS]

00:36:34   you know i think you're right that it's [TS]

00:36:36   it's somewhat expected for the [TS]

00:36:38   characters i think it's it the way it [TS]

00:36:40   was portrayed was interesting in the [TS]

00:36:41   almost that watchman way where was about [TS]

00:36:45   the characters as in costume [TS]

00:36:48   you know they don't take their costumes [TS]

00:36:50   off as they start making Whoopie and pay [TS]

00:36:54   it had that it was that had nice [TS]

00:36:59   interesting kind of personality who's [TS]

00:37:02   the real character whose to [TS]

00:37:03   secret-identity all that kind of [TS]

00:37:04   layering that watchman did so well and [TS]

00:37:08   other books have been applied it's a [TS]

00:37:09   Batman and Catwoman and and the fact [TS]

00:37:11   that they were hooking up that's not [TS]

00:37:12   surprising it's been hinted at forever [TS]

00:37:14   it's just a bit more graphically [TS]

00:37:16   portrayed a question the need to [TS]

00:37:18   graphically portray it no oh yeah you [TS]

00:37:22   know I don't think it i don't think i [TS]

00:37:23   don't think it was a it was a I'm [TS]

00:37:28   groping for the right word here and I i [TS]

00:37:30   don't think it did bad things for cat [TS]

00:37:32   your cat woman's character [TS]

00:37:33   they're the same way up or start forgot [TS]

00:37:35   it but [TS]

00:37:36   the art frankly looks like fanfiction [TS]

00:37:39   type art you know if it does i've heard [TS]

00:37:43   a lot of people have said that a lot of [TS]

00:37:44   you that last panel is really not very [TS]

00:37:46   well-executed I looked at it and thought [TS]

00:37:48   well I know what did right across here [TS]

00:37:50   but we're where it was kind of like it [TS]

00:37:52   took me a moment to kind of figure out [TS]

00:37:54   where the body parts were going and you [TS]

00:37:56   know which one should be but it failed [TS]

00:37:58   an artistic level 20 but i think there i [TS]

00:38:02   think there was a way again there's a [TS]

00:38:03   way you could have done it where it [TS]

00:38:05   didn't come off as the female character [TS]

00:38:08   being put on display for an audience to [TS]

00:38:11   judge her and user as a sex object in [TS]

00:38:13   their own mind and and that's the thing [TS]

00:38:17   that bothers me in both cases is the way [TS]

00:38:19   that the female characters are framed [TS]

00:38:21   and depicted on the page there they're [TS]

00:38:25   not really being presented as characters [TS]

00:38:27   with with agency and motivation and and [TS]

00:38:30   incentives of their own [TS]

00:38:33   it's rather here is something for you to [TS]

00:38:35   go look at now teehee and it's that [TS]

00:38:39   yeah it didn't didn't throw me but it [TS]

00:38:41   has been common i think maybe maybe it's [TS]

00:38:43   just that it's it's always been like [TS]

00:38:45   that with with so many comics and I [TS]

00:38:47   guess maybe I just thought with DC [TS]

00:38:50   saying they were trying to reach a [TS]

00:38:51   broader audience or bring people back [TS]

00:38:53   into the fold and advertises on [TS]

00:38:55   television a nationwide created girl [TS]

00:38:58   geek culture is you think they would [TS]

00:38:59   have talked to some women about how they [TS]

00:39:01   felt about this this long-standing comic [TS]

00:39:03   book convention of women being the [TS]

00:39:05   objects and the and the add-ons and the [TS]

00:39:06   tokens in the books you know but they [TS]

00:39:09   they didn't change right i mean it is it [TS]

00:39:11   is it is what kind of you would expect [TS]

00:39:14   which is i just i was a little [TS]

00:39:15   disappointed by it now before we get off [TS]

00:39:17   too far on the horrible crippling sexism [TS]

00:39:19   of DC in a couple issues which we did I [TS]

00:39:24   want to talk about Jason mentioned [TS]

00:39:26   watchman number one and i want to see if [TS]

00:39:28   you guys had any thing to say about and [TS]

00:39:32   I already dropped the micronized bomb a [TS]

00:39:33   little while ago about about other [TS]

00:39:35   classic number-one issues that you like [TS]

00:39:38   her or or didn't like and you know since [TS]

00:39:41   Jason mentioned amazing fantasy 15 and [TS]

00:39:43   and fantastic for number one and i was [TS]

00:39:46   going to mention watch men number one as [TS]

00:39:47   well which is a great example of [TS]

00:39:49   something that doesn't [TS]

00:39:50   reveal all the characters and all the [TS]

00:39:51   storyline yet but it gives you enough [TS]

00:39:53   that you are in this rich world [TS]

00:39:56   it sets the initial mystery and then you [TS]

00:39:59   know makes you have to come back for [TS]

00:40:01   more and that that I was hooked I heard [TS]

00:40:03   knew nothing about watchmen other than [TS]

00:40:05   that it was severely hyped and i bought [TS]

00:40:08   watchman number one because i am that [TS]

00:40:10   ancient and was blown away and then you [TS]

00:40:13   know that was it I was sold on the whole [TS]

00:40:14   on the whole series but i'm wondering if [TS]

00:40:16   you guys have some other examples of of [TS]

00:40:19   favorite first issues from the past [TS]

00:40:22   dan how about you mm I was I was [TS]

00:40:26   actually afraid you're gonna start what [TS]

00:40:27   you want to pass now I don't pass to [TS]

00:40:30   canopy limited series [TS]

00:40:31   sure yeah i mean i plied rebel army and [TS]

00:40:33   limited Wolverine limited series number [TS]

00:40:35   one back in the eighties still got it [TS]

00:40:38   still got arrangements nodding they [TS]

00:40:40   don't get totally rocked that was a [TS]

00:40:41   great why can't I want totally won the [TS]

00:40:43   faith people have totally won the sky [TS]

00:40:45   over yeah he's totally in my court now I [TS]

00:40:47   could say anything now and he could come [TS]

00:40:49   on board [TS]

00:40:50   I've got I've got the book right here [TS]

00:40:52   I've got it right here in my box right [TS]

00:40:53   by the dad is that a original original [TS]

00:40:55   worry miniseries chris claremont Frank [TS]

00:40:58   Miller yeah yeah it's not in great [TS]

00:40:59   condition but I mean look at that thing [TS]

00:41:03   that book is amazing [TS]

00:41:04   everything about it cover the cover [TS]

00:41:07   forget everything forget they don't even [TS]

00:41:08   open it just look at the cover this is [TS]

00:41:10   james a bad its iconic now it's the best [TS]

00:41:14   what are you gonna say I mean that's my [TS]

00:41:15   favorite number one gotta be alright [TS]

00:41:19   fair enough faith do you have a favorite [TS]

00:41:22   number one [TS]

00:41:23   uh-huh I mm no no wonder what dad wants [TS]

00:41:30   to answer for our flight [TS]

00:41:32   I just have a feeling she's in sapphire [TS]

00:41:33   yeah sure you can't be Canadian [TS]

00:41:37   superheroes actually you can you can [TS]

00:41:40   beat them senseless but good [TS]

00:41:45   I mean how can you beat this yeah he's [TS]

00:41:48   you can't see this but he's like waving [TS]

00:41:50   around his will be generally very very [TS]

00:41:52   gently very gently [TS]

00:41:53   it's like that you think like [TS]

00:41:54   shrink-wrap you don't harm now it's just [TS]

00:41:56   a bit just in a bag can't believe [TS]

00:41:58   champey read you can't even look at it [TS]

00:42:00   look away again then can be viewed [TS]

00:42:03   so I'm gonna go outside of the [TS]

00:42:06   mainstream genre with number ones stray [TS]

00:42:08   bullets number one by a david lapham [TS]

00:42:12   came out you can get them all in trade [TS]

00:42:15   now and i encourage the audience to pick [TS]

00:42:17   them up every issue is almost a number [TS]

00:42:20   one because every issue was a complete [TS]

00:42:23   story and he'd introduce a new character [TS]

00:42:24   so you have to kind of get to know this [TS]

00:42:26   character the world the whole thing it [TS]

00:42:28   was almost mostly seventies pulp fiction [TS]

00:42:32   type stories but after four or five [TS]

00:42:35   issues you started realizing there's the [TS]

00:42:38   big story going on and all these people [TS]

00:42:40   are connected even though they weren't [TS]

00:42:43   in there but you got to start seeing [TS]

00:42:45   other parts of the same town or same [TS]

00:42:47   storyline going on and other things from [TS]

00:42:49   other characters perspectives and you're [TS]

00:42:51   like oh wait i thought i was just [TS]

00:42:53   reading interesting character pieces and [TS]

00:42:54   now there's this bigger picture going on [TS]

00:42:56   and it was each story by itself [TS]

00:42:58   great story and then bigger [TS]

00:43:01   meta-narrative amazing but that's [TS]

00:43:03   cheating because you've just said every [TS]

00:43:04   issue is number one but there was only [TS]

00:43:06   one number one and you can tell from it [TS]

00:43:07   that every other issue is going to be [TS]

00:43:08   interconnected know that you can't get [TS]

00:43:10   number one a red cover a little kid [TS]

00:43:14   dressed up for Halloween as a ghost and [TS]

00:43:17   has to cover great story just because [TS]

00:43:20   each one is complete story was that [TS]

00:43:21   number one issue is fantastic one of the [TS]

00:43:23   best number ones I've ever read [TS]

00:43:25   fair enough Lisa what about you [TS]

00:43:28   I'm going to slightly different [TS]

00:43:30   direction and make an argument that as a [TS]

00:43:32   publishing arm vertigo actually tends to [TS]

00:43:35   have a very strong number one issues on [TS]

00:43:37   most of their books if it's the original [TS]

00:43:39   book for example I thought that bill [TS]

00:43:41   williams fables has a really strong and [TS]

00:43:43   compelling number one issue because they [TS]

00:43:46   started off right away with a murder [TS]

00:43:48   mystery and they do and they World build [TS]

00:43:50   around the murder mystery at the same [TS]

00:43:51   time and it was one of those where you [TS]

00:43:55   put down you just want to read more more [TS]

00:43:56   more and then going way way back [TS]

00:44:01   your gay men's first issue black orchid [TS]

00:44:03   is definite again what does it kills off [TS]

00:44:06   a main character and then you know kind [TS]

00:44:09   of reboots the premise all the first [TS]

00:44:11   issues that's another one that's really [TS]

00:44:12   fun and powerful to read and the work [TS]

00:44:14   that bryan cave on has done for [TS]

00:44:16   vertigo again almost always number ones [TS]

00:44:18   have been really good really strong [TS]

00:44:20   jumping into the wayback machine as a [TS]

00:44:25   middle schooler I think when the first [TS]

00:44:30   issue of xmas Newton's came out I want [TS]

00:44:35   that oh yeah I love that number one I [TS]

00:44:37   think that is fantastic and it [TS]

00:44:40   definitely set a tone for the series and [TS]

00:44:42   then had a story and did a great job [TS]

00:44:43   introducing characters within the [TS]

00:44:45   framework of an already established a [TS]

00:44:46   fictional universe and so I'd argue that [TS]

00:44:49   that's a really strong number one shoot [TS]

00:44:50   didn't do mutants get kicked off by a [TS]

00:44:53   graphic novel though and then there was [TS]

00:44:54   the number one I don't remember to be [TS]

00:44:57   honest with the other members is sitting [TS]

00:44:59   down with a stack of of the of the of [TS]

00:45:01   the comic books at the comic issues and [TS]

00:45:03   reading through some pretty sure yeah i [TS]

00:45:06   think that i think we launched it with a [TS]

00:45:07   with a graphic novel and then they went [TS]

00:45:09   to number one but i do remember reading [TS]

00:45:10   that number one a million times because [TS]

00:45:13   it we as somebody who discovered a lot [TS]

00:45:17   of these comics obviously most people [TS]

00:45:19   discover comics not with issue number [TS]

00:45:20   one but with issue number 138 yeah uh [TS]

00:45:23   and so being in on the ground floor of [TS]

00:45:26   you know the next x-men basically when I [TS]

00:45:30   didn't get a chance to do that before [TS]

00:45:32   because I was too young to reject anyone [TS]

00:45:35   around 16 yeah it was exciting and and [TS]

00:45:39   that's you know me I think that's the [TS]

00:45:41   purpose number ones surviving we see [TS]

00:45:44   number ones again and again comic [TS]

00:45:46   companies reset the numbering whenever [TS]

00:45:48   they feel like it in order i guess you [TS]

00:45:51   know collectors want to collect them but [TS]

00:45:52   they will not send a message about it it [TS]

00:45:55   how it's a new story and that's what I [TS]

00:45:57   the next thing i want to bring up which [TS]

00:45:59   is our how important our number ones [TS]

00:46:03   really because don't most of us and this [TS]

00:46:06   is bisko's for origin stories to don't [TS]

00:46:08   most of us fall into a story in the [TS]

00:46:10   middle anyway I mean how often is it [TS]

00:46:12   that we start with we see number one and [TS]

00:46:14   we start with number one unless we've [TS]

00:46:15   discovered some other part of the story [TS]

00:46:18   and then have decided to backtrack to it [TS]

00:46:19   i think i think they're important but [TS]

00:46:22   listen talking about this fables thing [TS]

00:46:24   the other day look at the cover this new [TS]

00:46:26   fable side [TS]

00:46:28   this thing looks good I want to get this [TS]

00:46:29   and I said to the person in the storm [TS]

00:46:32   like well can I just jump into haha you [TS]

00:46:36   can't just jump into that they like like [TS]

00:46:37   oh no you can't go no and then they said [TS]

00:46:40   they said here's where you want to start [TS]

00:46:42   and they took me back and they have an [TS]

00:46:43   entire like wing of this comment is a [TS]

00:46:46   big that whole wing devoted to just the [TS]

00:46:49   straight paperback to this thing I'll [TS]

00:46:50   never get caught up in by others there's [TS]

00:46:53   this book but right now the series there [TS]

00:46:55   and this not give anything away that the [TS]

00:46:58   first arc of the series of the first [TS]

00:47:00   giant art that takes up like seven or [TS]

00:47:02   eight or nine trade paperbacks concerns [TS]

00:47:04   a giant war and you can totally skip [TS]

00:47:07   over that and jump into the universe [TS]

00:47:08   after the war is done and you're you [TS]

00:47:11   know all you're missing is some [TS]

00:47:12   backstory and easter egg has dropped in [TS]

00:47:14   but that's your entry point if you don't [TS]

00:47:16   want to go back and read and it and drop [TS]

00:47:19   a boatload of money on trades and spend [TS]

00:47:21   the entire weekend catching up on that's [TS]

00:47:23   actually the good things about the [TS]

00:47:25   series is it seems like Willingham is [TS]

00:47:26   riding along arcs and while you know I [TS]

00:47:29   like the series enough to encourage you [TS]

00:47:31   to read them you can totally jump in [TS]

00:47:32   after the war's over and and you'd still [TS]

00:47:35   have a really rewarding experience with [TS]

00:47:36   the serious that's one of the things i [TS]

00:47:38   think that series is doing right it's [TS]

00:47:39   providing a lot of natural tapering [TS]

00:47:41   points have we gotten spoiled have we [TS]

00:47:43   gotten too much information to the point [TS]

00:47:45   where back in the day if you had seen [TS]

00:47:47   you know hey this table is a cool comic [TS]

00:47:50   pickup issue number 128 and and you [TS]

00:47:53   wouldn't have said well i can get the [TS]

00:47:55   trade paperback I can go on Wikipedia [TS]

00:47:56   and look at the story arc and maybe i'll [TS]

00:47:58   just start with number one and work my [TS]

00:48:00   way up and back then you know not to [TS]

00:48:03   sound again like an old man back then [TS]

00:48:05   maybe we're a little more innocently [TS]

00:48:07   saying you know whatever i'll just pick [TS]

00:48:08   up this issue i found out of the at the [TS]

00:48:09   supermarket and I'll figure it out [TS]

00:48:11   because I think we're all capable of [TS]

00:48:13   figuring out where the what's going on [TS]

00:48:15   the story i'm not sure we all need to [TS]

00:48:16   start with number one but I feel like at [TS]

00:48:20   this point that's the society we live it [TS]

00:48:22   is we have so much information at their [TS]

00:48:23   disposal that you know why would you [TS]

00:48:25   ever start at number eighteen when you [TS]

00:48:27   could start at number one [TS]

00:48:29   one of the things that jim shooter was [TS]

00:48:32   always really big on and pushed his [TS]

00:48:34   writers and editors to do was every [TS]

00:48:37   issue is somebody's first so you have to [TS]

00:48:39   have enough things in the story that [TS]

00:48:41   anybody picking up the story can pick up [TS]

00:48:43   the world and the characters and things [TS]

00:48:45   which is why every issue of x-men [TS]

00:48:48   wolverine head Wolverine say I'm the [TS]

00:48:50   best there is at what I do and what I do [TS]

00:48:51   isn't very nice which is all you need to [TS]

00:48:53   know about the character and as a long [TS]

00:48:55   time reader reading in a trade paperback [TS]

00:48:57   now it's really annoying but in the days [TS]

00:48:59   of those single issues on newsstands and [TS]

00:49:01   you know you pick up one in the middle [TS]

00:49:03   of the story it told you everything like [TS]

00:49:05   you look at any issue Fantastic Four and [TS]

00:49:07   it was you got every issue was sooo [TS]

00:49:11   referred to johnny is her brother Reed [TS]

00:49:14   referred to the accident was generally [TS]

00:49:16   referenced read referred to sue is his [TS]

00:49:18   wife like just through the dialogue you [TS]

00:49:20   got who all the characters were and [TS]

00:49:22   writers don't do that today they tried [TS]

00:49:24   the beginning of like you know an issue [TS]

00:49:25   of ultimate spider-man they have that [TS]

00:49:26   little blurb about ultimate who ultimate [TS]

00:49:28   spider-man is and what happened in the [TS]

00:49:30   previous issue to help with it but it [TS]

00:49:32   used to be built into the stories which [TS]

00:49:34   is kind of annoying and trade paperbacks [TS]

00:49:36   that we live in today [TS]

00:49:37   alright that's that jason reitman has [TS]

00:49:41   dropped some history on us there I [TS]

00:49:42   actually grew up reading gym shooters a [TS]

00:49:44   marvel comics and and I I did feel that [TS]

00:49:47   way that was that works for me because [TS]

00:49:49   that's how i got into comics was not by [TS]

00:49:51   digging up old issues but just dropping [TS]

00:49:53   into those those issues and being like [TS]

00:49:54   okay I get through the x-men are [TS]

00:49:56   generally I kind of figured out who [TS]

00:49:58   kitty pryde is and why she down in the [TS]

00:49:59   tunnels with the Morlocks you know I I [TS]

00:50:02   didn't need to read that issue 12 issues [TS]

00:50:04   ago I I i could piece it together and i [TS]

00:50:07   also used to the asterisks to cross [TS]

00:50:09   hospital i love the footnotes and this [TS]

00:50:12   one you could actually hunt them down if [TS]

00:50:14   you're interested in them to my very [TS]

00:50:15   first comic book was uncanny x-men [TS]

00:50:17   annual number five which Boone oh yes [TS]

00:50:21   would allow the dude yeah we've [TS]

00:50:23   discussed what a jerk [TS]

00:50:25   re Richards's on it anyway of course oh [TS]

00:50:28   that's my favorite topics of you put [TS]

00:50:30   eight anyway the point is I'm not only [TS]

00:50:33   do they do the thing where you get [TS]

00:50:34   introduced to everybody they do with the [TS]

00:50:35   x-men to wear like storm can you sum up [TS]

00:50:37   some wins for us of course I care and [TS]

00:50:39   but they also explained to the boon R&Y [TS]

00:50:44   Professor Xavier's girlfriend is an [TS]

00:50:46   alien and so on and so forth we got the [TS]

00:50:48   footnotes aplenty and so you know as a [TS]

00:50:50   as a 5th grader [TS]

00:50:51   not only did i do I get this instant [TS]

00:50:54   comprehension [TS]

00:50:55   of this this fictitious world I was also [TS]

00:50:57   really hooked on the idea that there is [TS]

00:50:58   back reading to do or or that you know [TS]

00:51:01   this world radiated out to other books [TS]

00:51:02   that i could hunt down as well and it [TS]

00:51:04   was just a beautiful balance of [TS]

00:51:06   self-contained story and I look into a [TS]

00:51:09   wider world and i do think that despite [TS]

00:51:13   the plethora of crossover events that [TS]

00:51:15   most comic book publishers put out today [TS]

00:51:17   I think we've all I i think the [TS]

00:51:19   storytelling his ship to the point where [TS]

00:51:20   it doesn't do that as elegantly as it [TS]

00:51:22   used to [TS]

00:51:23   I don't know why but I think we've lost [TS]

00:51:25   a little bit of that style and it's a [TS]

00:51:27   pity the my first issue was x-men 1 99 [TS]

00:51:32   and it was wearing Rachel summers became [TS]

00:51:34   phoenix and I had no idea who any of [TS]

00:51:37   these characters were or phoenix or any [TS]

00:51:39   of that stuff but the issue like I got [TS]

00:51:41   this character is going to his major [TS]

00:51:43   transformation and her mom but she's [TS]

00:51:46   been altered reality but her mom also [TS]

00:51:48   had gone through this and then did very [TS]

00:51:49   very bad things and she has a lot to try [TS]

00:51:52   to live up to and makeup for and so [TS]

00:51:55   introduce me to one issue to this entire [TS]

00:51:57   world and I got it was like a great [TS]

00:51:59   story and intriguing enough then to kind [TS]

00:52:01   of investigate this world and discover [TS]

00:52:03   all of it was amazing and and it's it is [TS]

00:52:06   kind of what first issues need to do and [TS]

00:52:08   I don't know that any of the DC one's [TS]

00:52:10   really rose to that level it does anyone [TS]

00:52:15   disagree i didn't read enough them to be [TS]

00:52:18   able to do agree or disagree so I'm just [TS]

00:52:20   going to take your word for it [TS]

00:52:21   alright so before we go though I wanna [TS]

00:52:25   turn Jason's question on it a little bit [TS]

00:52:28   i'm interested to know from all of you [TS]

00:52:31   this is where i actually i'm going to [TS]

00:52:33   put you on the spot finally one of the [TS]

00:52:35   nice things about DC to go about your [TS]

00:52:37   number ones is if we were to tell [TS]

00:52:38   somebody this week that one DC comic was [TS]

00:52:42   good they wouldn't have to go back a [TS]

00:52:44   hundred hundred and twenty issues they [TS]

00:52:46   could go back to last month or just [TS]

00:52:49   downloaded on their iPad and start with [TS]

00:52:51   issue 1 and then probably immediately [TS]

00:52:53   move on to issue 2 and then that would [TS]

00:52:54   be it may have to wait a month so i'm [TS]

00:52:56   going to put you on the spot and ask if [TS]

00:52:59   for our blisters out there if there was [TS]

00:53:01   one DC number one that you would [TS]

00:53:04   recommend they try to see about this new [TS]

00:53:07   DC [TS]

00:53:08   the stuff 52 number-one issues [TS]

00:53:12   what would it be and i'll start and I'm [TS]

00:53:15   going to start with the Blue Beetle it [TS]

00:53:17   which i mentioned before because it is a [TS]

00:53:19   true origin story which is fun i think [TS]

00:53:22   the Blue Beetle does not get enough [TS]

00:53:23   credit [TS]

00:53:24   I am a sucker for the teenage kid with [TS]

00:53:26   problems who get superpowers genre i [TS]

00:53:28   love invincible [TS]

00:53:29   I love ultimate spider-man and blue [TS]

00:53:32   beetle is the DC ultimate spider-man [TS]

00:53:35   he's great [TS]

00:53:36   it's a great comic and the new comic [TS]

00:53:39   looks to be just as good as got this [TS]

00:53:41   whole cosmic soldier kind of thing and [TS]

00:53:43   i'm a sucker for the space superhero [TS]

00:53:46   genre to and blue beetles got all of [TS]

00:53:48   that so that's what i recommend it if [TS]

00:53:51   you haven't I ever heard the Blue Beetle [TS]

00:53:53   before I say check it out because you [TS]

00:53:56   will get the whole story of who the blue [TS]

00:53:57   beetle is and what he's all about and [TS]

00:54:00   i'm going to be going to be reading that [TS]

00:54:02   one Jason what about you [TS]

00:54:03   I don't think almost depends on who I'm [TS]

00:54:06   talking to and what kind of genre they [TS]

00:54:07   like because I think to DC's credit they [TS]

00:54:09   hit lots of different genres and have [TS]

00:54:11   something for almost everyone if I was [TS]

00:54:14   just doing the my top one I would [TS]

00:54:17   probably go with the flow Mach omak [TS]

00:54:18   number one because it it was so much fun [TS]

00:54:22   and and it started to introduce a new [TS]

00:54:25   character and its hapless office worker [TS]

00:54:27   gets zapped by brother I satellite and [TS]

00:54:31   turned into this killing machine for but [TS]

00:54:33   for a purpose because omak has an agenda [TS]

00:54:35   for the satellite has an agenda which [TS]

00:54:37   you don't know what it is but you get [TS]

00:54:38   there's an agenda and then there's [TS]

00:54:40   monsters that are bigger than life and [TS]

00:54:42   destruction and mayhem and a girlfriend [TS]

00:54:45   who's worried about her hapless office [TS]

00:54:47   boyfriend who's disappeared during all [TS]

00:54:49   of this carnage because he's making at [TS]

00:54:50   night it was a fun kind of light story [TS]

00:54:54   and faith what about what you guys do [TS]

00:54:58   you have a recommendation if you could [TS]

00:55:00   only recommend one comic for somebody to [TS]

00:55:02   try from the new DC what would it be [TS]

00:55:04   mm that's it is such a tough when I kind [TS]

00:55:08   of agree that you know might depend on [TS]

00:55:10   the person [TS]

00:55:11   yes yes but i am asking tough questions [TS]

00:55:12   you got you got to answer only one [TS]

00:55:17   you know I mean this is gonna die i [TS]

00:55:22   really like the the way swamp thing is [TS]

00:55:24   starting out but i really like Batman to [TS]

00:55:26   i have to pick one you do not Batman [TS]

00:55:27   Aquaman rather I wouldn't put that man [TS]

00:55:29   on they're for the average person I [TS]

00:55:34   don't miss a swamp think that that's my [TS]

00:55:35   sleeper [TS]

00:55:36   that's my underdog I didn't even read [TS]

00:55:38   that one because i am so attached to [TS]

00:55:39   that Alan Moore run on this one thing so [TS]

00:55:41   I'm interesting island i'll check it out [TS]

00:55:43   I like hearing positive things about it [TS]

00:55:45   because I i do love that that character [TS]

00:55:48   at least as Ellen were kind of [TS]

00:55:49   reinventing him and I i I'm I'm I so I'm [TS]

00:55:52   intrigued now so i will take your advice [TS]

00:55:53   you should know before you jump in and [TS]

00:55:56   kind of completely undoes everything [TS]

00:55:58   eleanor did that's fine i'm expecting [TS]

00:56:01   there to be dead continuity now which is [TS]

00:56:03   a that that's ok I'm ok with that faith [TS]

00:56:06   what about you I probably say batgirl [TS]

00:56:09   because that's the only one I've read so [TS]

00:56:11   far where I thought I want to read a [TS]

00:56:14   good 1i like that when she's not she's [TS]

00:56:16   not she's not hung up on the Oracle or [TS]

00:56:19   anything else because she didn't read in [TS]

00:56:20   the Bible and read that I know about me [TS]

00:56:22   so you gotta at we're telling you Lisa [TS]

00:56:25   you should read that girl number one [TS]

00:56:26   it's good great and you know you get to [TS]

00:56:28   see the human side of of one of these [TS]

00:56:30   heroes who is not afraid at least in her [TS]

00:56:31   own personal thoughts and our own [TS]

00:56:33   personal thoughts to admit to herself [TS]

00:56:35   now I don't know what I'm to what am i [TS]

00:56:38   doing am i doing out here in this outfit [TS]

00:56:40   ok alright alright have you had I've [TS]

00:56:42   been press-ganged into submission [TS]

00:56:45   Oh your baby is also telling you to read [TS]

00:56:48   back I I speak baby so I can you hear in [TS]

00:56:51   the background I owe a little bit she [TS]

00:56:54   says it's delightful [TS]

00:56:55   I'd ask i'd ask you Lisa but you hope [TS]

00:56:58   you've only read the one right so are [TS]

00:57:00   you gonna are you gonna go out and get a [TS]

00:57:03   girl number one [TS]

00:57:04   you know i might read it in the store [TS]

00:57:06   for I'm I'm quitting the tangents today [TS]

00:57:10   but part of my problem number one is I [TS]

00:57:13   don't want them hanging around the house [TS]

00:57:15   afterwards what I'd rather do is just [TS]

00:57:16   see which book shake out in which ones [TS]

00:57:18   are going to get trades and by the [TS]

00:57:20   trades if i'm going to buy and read them [TS]

00:57:21   I don't like being single issues anymore [TS]

00:57:24   which i think is another podcast another [TS]

00:57:26   time [TS]

00:57:27   yeah i'm doing i'm i'm doing that but [TS]

00:57:28   I'm doing it all on the ipad now [TS]

00:57:31   no that's the only single issues i'll [TS]

00:57:32   buy will be on the ipad yeah if if we an [TS]

00:57:35   ipad for non-work related purposes or [TS]

00:57:38   through not work related channels and [TS]

00:57:40   i'll probably start dropping money on [TS]

00:57:42   single issues again but not the physical [TS]

00:57:44   objects now so I've got all my mom would [TS]

00:57:50   you like to start them to me know they [TS]

00:57:53   know because i really like i really like [TS]

00:57:54   having them in me it's great it's great [TS]

00:57:56   to collect and you know I mean I like [TS]

00:57:58   time away from devices in the audience [TS]

00:58:01   should go i believe November they're [TS]

00:58:03   coming out with a hardcover collection [TS]

00:58:04   of every single number you know fifty [TS]

00:58:07   two number ones in one hardcover [TS]

00:58:10   collection that's actually a really [TS]

00:58:11   smart move because I can energize people [TS]

00:58:12   to do the books that would read [TS]

00:58:14   otherwise yeah that's a really good idea [TS]

00:58:17   really good idea and if you can go to [TS]

00:58:19   dance house if you'd like to read them [TS]

00:58:20   now because Dan is keeping the shop [TS]

00:58:22   alive and good for him that's right it [TS]

00:58:24   you're spending time away from devices [TS]

00:58:26   day and I never spend time away from [TS]

00:58:27   devices [TS]

00:58:28   I i fall asleep with my ipad under my [TS]

00:58:31   pillow until you're going to say on your [TS]

00:58:33   far and that my kids on my forehead the [TS]

00:58:36   ipads under the pillow that's how that [TS]

00:58:37   works [TS]

00:58:38   alright well this has been fun we had [TS]

00:58:41   some technical issues but we managed to [TS]

00:58:42   have a conversation anyway which is good [TS]

00:58:45   anyway I until the next time the comic [TS]

00:58:47   book club convenience which I hope is [TS]

00:58:49   soon at i would like to thank my comic [TS]

00:58:52   book club members we all have our [TS]

00:58:53   membership cards new member is [TS]

00:58:55   indoctrinated and indoctrinated inducted [TS]

00:58:58   today you'll you'll receive your up [TS]

00:59:00   hazing ritual later Dan Benjamin and [TS]

00:59:02   faith korpi thank you for being here [TS]

00:59:04   thanks so much for having us yeah thanks [TS]

00:59:06   so much i'm glad it's not normally this [TS]

00:59:10   chaotic and things don't normally break [TS]

00:59:12   this badly he said you know police and [TS]

00:59:15   Jason lecture right sure Jason brightman [TS]

00:59:19   thank you for thank you for for being [TS]

00:59:21   here again and talking about so many [TS]

00:59:24   number ones [TS]

00:59:25   it's always great to be here [TS]

00:59:26   and Lisa Schmeisser from home with with [TS]

00:59:30   the baby [TS]

00:59:30   thanks for thanks for dialing and I [TS]

00:59:32   really appreciate it I had a great time [TS]

00:59:34   thank you all right until the next [TS]

00:59:36   meeting of the comic book club [TS]

00:59:38   this is jason l for the incomparable [TS]

00:59:40   wishing you farewell [TS]

00:59:51   [Music] [TS]

00:59:58   that's the weird [TS]

00:59:58   that's the weird [TS]

01:00:00   sign off I've ever done but you know I [TS]

01:00:01   guess I like that one adios courage to [TS]

01:00:05   help Ryder [TS]