The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable contest number 61 to [TS]

00:00:10 ◼   ► entry-level welcome to another edition [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► of the incomparable podcast i am jason [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► Snell your host and i convened this [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► meeting of the comic book club joining [TS]

00:00:24 ◼   ► us today are two regular members of the [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► comic book club introduce them now first [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► jason reitman hi Jason pay for the point [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► of this this episode I'm going to go as [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► the number-one Jason all right you could [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► be the good Jason I'll be I'll be I'll [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► be even the letter A Jason how about [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► that area go [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► also joining us is Lisa Schmeisser hi [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► Lisa [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► I gotta Jason Jason either Jason [TS]

00:00:52 ◼   ► adjacent either you know you're not you [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► are coming to us live from your home [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► well yeah and we have two other people [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► will say two depending on how much one [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► of them wants to talk one-and-a-half to [TS]

00:01:05 ◼   ► coming this is a big link-up between the [TS]

00:01:08 ◼   ► uncomfortable and the great powers at [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► five by five [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► dan Benjamin the genius behind the five [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► by five podcast network and a comic book [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► nerd joins us as well hi Dan [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► hey are you Jason I'm doing well how [TS]

00:01:22 ◼   ► does it feel to be on the other end of [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► the microphone I've guy can say it's [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► about time I mean not if I must say [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► shame on you for not inviting me sooner [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► but I'm glad to be here it's a thrill [TS]

00:01:33 ◼   ► it's great to have you and his faith [TS]

00:01:36 ◼   ► korpi there as well she is in there he's [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► hanging out with income we're just [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► reading comic book you're reading comics [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► that's what they do here [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► faith what what what is your title what [TS]

00:01:45 ◼   ► do you call yourself at five by five and [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► the producer you are the producer but [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► the Lord no Stan needs one so I sure do [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► I no restriction has no faith knows so [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► our topic today on the comic book club [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► appropriate because recently in the last [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► five or six weeks DC Comics relaunched [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► its entire comic book line and what they [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► did was they reset every issue [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► you number one and released a whole set [TS]

00:02:15 ◼   ► of number-one so our topic today is not [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► just the DC relaunch although I imagine [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► we might spend a lot of time on that but [TS]

00:02:22 ◼   ► also the concept of a comic book number [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► one in general because we can talk about [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► maybe are our favorites if we have them [TS]

00:02:30 ◼   ► or even whether number ones are any good [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► which I i I'm showing my hand a little [TS]

00:02:34 ◼   ► bit there so 02 to get started I i do [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► want to talk about DC as we record this [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► they just released a bunch of number [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► two's this is not about number two is [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► this is about number one so I I thought [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► go around the virtual table and ask [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► people for their thoughts about if [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► they've got a particular DC relaunch [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► number one issue that they want to [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► highlight as as being particularly good [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► particularly enjoyable and I thought I [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► would start with mr. Brightman yes i did [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► read all 52 number ones some of the the [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► titles and characters i was familiar [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► with others [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► I never read or seen before and some of [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► them were i would say huge [TS]

00:03:22 ◼   ► disappointments and others intrigue me [TS]

00:03:24 ◼   ► enough that i would pick up number two [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► so I think ones that spring to mind that [TS]

00:03:30 ◼   ► were kind of intriguing were it once I [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► never would've expected like suicide [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► squad or batwing and once I expected to [TS]

00:03:42 ◼   ► like and did were like action comics [TS]

00:03:44 ◼   ► number one by Grant Morrison and yeah [TS]

00:03:48 ◼   ► yeah in then omak number 10 mac mock [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► where and how you pronounce it the one [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► man army corps yes the one man army [TS]

00:03:56 ◼   ► corps was good but it is almost it was [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► structurally the exact same as the [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► original Kirby kind of number one as [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► well so that was more enjoyable in a [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► pastiche kind of way [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► so yeah there's a there's quite a few i [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► would say a good ten or eleven that [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► would intrigue me enough to go on and [TS]

00:04:13 ◼   ► then the majority made all the mistakes [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► that a lot of number-one issues make in [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► in not having enough of a hook to kind [TS]

00:04:22 ◼   ► of get you to get the next issue or care [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► enough about the characters [TS]

00:04:26 ◼   ► your story or plot or whatever to go [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► onto a second issue because we really [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► face it [TS]

00:04:31 ◼   ► number ones are really really hard they [TS]

00:04:33 ◼   ► have a lot to do i think we're going to [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► talk about that but first i want to go [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► around so Lisa do you have any [TS]

00:04:37 ◼   ► particular favorites from the DC number [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► ones did you did you read some of the DC [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► number ones i have to show my hand here [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► and admit the only 1i check that was [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► birds of prey because that was the windy [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► series i enjoyed regularly and i was [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► curious to see how it would fare when [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► Gail Simone wasn't writing it and my [TS]

00:04:56 ◼   ► initial response was that it's beautiful [TS]

00:04:59 ◼   ► the art by AZ ascites is that how you [TS]

00:05:02 ◼   ► say his name anyway did the artist [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► gorgeous [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► it's a beautiful book to look at i am [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► not sold on the writing yet but i don't [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► think i'm going to be able to pass [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► judgment on it until it finishes out the [TS]

00:05:16 ◼   ► first story arc and we get it I get a [TS]

00:05:18 ◼   ► real sense for how consistently this guy [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► plans on establishing and maintaining [TS]

00:05:23 ◼   ► characterization and relationships [TS]

00:05:25 ◼   ► between the characters so I'm surprised [TS]

00:05:28 ◼   ► you didn't read that girl since that is [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► the the Gail Simone which you feel [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► opposed to what they did or oh I have [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► very strong feelings about oracle and [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► i'm going to stay away from that one [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► until i can look at it with a less me [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► jerk reflexive angry mindset going into [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► it so it might be awhile before i take a [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► look at that [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► alright I sense that there's some [TS]

00:05:55 ◼   ► unresolved issues there [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► yeah yeah Tian Yu I know have devoured [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► these number ones you know you have some [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► favorite yeah yeah yeah and I'm glad you [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► know trying to force me to just pick you [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► know pick one favorite because that [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► would that would nearly kill me I'm [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► trying to be odd [TS]

00:06:14 ◼   ► yeah i mean if I honestly if I had to [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► pick if I had to pick one favorite I it [TS]

00:06:19 ◼   ► it it be a detective comics number one I [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► mean I've always loved detective comics [TS]

00:06:24 ◼   ► vol will always always love Batman so [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► and and I mean art in the work that that [TS]

00:06:29 ◼   ► Daniels doing in there Tony Daniel is [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► just i mean that that in my mind that [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► sort of at least the first one which [TS]

00:06:36 ◼   ► yeah it is a dark story line [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► but I mean that just as laying down the [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► gauntlet for you know okay kids pay [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► attention this is this is how you do a [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► number one and this is how you take a [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► character that people have known for [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► forever and tell a story about him [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► that's new and intriguing and and you [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► know poses a lot of questions and really [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► treats it is [TS]

00:06:56 ◼   ► yes is a character everybody knows but [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► here's something new or here's a [TS]

00:06:59 ◼   ► different take [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► and doing that without losing what makes [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► Batman and detective comics together [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► great i think i think that's that's the [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► winner for me but even just for getting [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► this story [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► I'm cash looking at what like Williams [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► and black man is doing for batwoman [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► artwork i just look at that is just [TS]

00:07:17 ◼   ► artwork take take the words out and just [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► look at that as artwork it's it's it's [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► some of the best artwork that's [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► available in print today are you saying [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► we need to take the words out [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► not at all I'm just saying looking at it [TS]

00:07:28 ◼   ► as a war as a just a an illustrative [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► work of art out but no I love the story [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► i think i think the stories in a lot of [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► these are great i think i think there's [TS]

00:07:37 ◼   ► been some disappointments to but i [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► actually just picked up i missed getting [TS]

00:07:40 ◼   ► out the first issue of swamp thing when [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► it first came out and I've got a second [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► printing of it here that I'm just [TS]

00:07:47 ◼   ► starting to read before before today and [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► actually somebody is sending it sending [TS]

00:07:52 ◼   ► an original you know like a first print [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► to me the just being nice but again the [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► story and that looks looks great and the [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► swamp thing has been so abused over the [TS]

00:08:02 ◼   ► years I have you know I hope that's my [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► sleeper [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► that's my underdog alright one thing if [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► I can jump back in for a moment I might [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► actually go back and take a look for the [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► authority first storm watches first [TS]

00:08:13 ◼   ► issue just because I've been following [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► that series on and off since it came out [TS]

00:08:16 ◼   ► and I'm kind of curious to see how [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► they're going to integrate into the DC [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► Universe this is hilarious because as [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► you guys can see jason reitman face but [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► I can and he is grimace repeatedly [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► grimace at the DJ at that convention of [TS]

00:08:28 ◼   ► Detective Comics and again he tried to [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► wave you off Lisa from storm watch [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► don't do it i would love to hear your [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► life skate that well this is Jorge's [TS]

00:08:35 ◼   ► stormwater will detective to me just [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► read a little bit more like they went [TS]

00:08:41 ◼   ► really dark and stuff which is I guess [TS]

00:08:45 ◼   ► find it but it's it's sort of it read a [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► little bit more like angry baby are it [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► is it's not hard [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► to go really dark with Batman and it'd [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► be like all this energy with it and it [TS]

00:08:57 ◼   ► was sort of like naked violent Joker and [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► people dying and lots of blood and and [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► didn't think that's what the comics all [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► about man that's what it said they're [TS]

00:09:06 ◼   ► taking it they're taking it to all a [TS]

00:09:09 ◼   ► whole nother level it's it's it's a lie [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► i think it's a totally valid [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► interpretation but to me it seemed so [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► easy as a writer to do that and there's [TS]

00:09:19 ◼   ► nothing complicated nothing surprising [TS]

00:09:21 ◼   ► nothing hard nothing interesting about [TS]

00:09:23 ◼   ► it for me there they may have gone [TS]

00:09:25 ◼   ► further with that take [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► but it wasn't new or different or [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► interesting enough to interest me [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► you kind of story while which one do [TS]

00:09:34 ◼   ► which one do you like the for me for me [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► for they can sit in the first issue and [TS]

00:09:41 ◼   ► what's exciting about first issues and [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► for me it's always you know you need you [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► have to establish the world the [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► characters the throw in a primary kind [TS]

00:09:50 ◼   ► of motivation thing sort of like a [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► here's the world up something happens it [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► has to be sort of interesting enough to [TS]

00:09:56 ◼   ► then pick up the next issue and [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► hopefully be a kind of a complete story [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► by itself and i would actually point to [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► as my favorite example of this when [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► Martin when peter milligan and my [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► cauldron took over x-force before it was [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► named ecstatic it it was x-force 116 but [TS]

00:10:16 ◼   ► it was the first issue because it was a [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► completely new team of characters [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► completely different direction complete [TS]

00:10:20 ◼   ► break from the past and they introduced [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► all of these characters through the the [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► story it was kind of interesting [TS]

00:10:26 ◼   ► introduce all these characters i think [TS]

00:10:28 ◼   ► like seven of them and by the last page [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► all but one was all but two were dead [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► including the main character the entire [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► story focused on and two of the side [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► kind of characters were left alive and [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► you're just like what it in shock shock [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► number one right where you're not seeing [TS]

00:10:47 ◼   ► the story you think you are right and [TS]

00:10:50 ◼   ► I'd certainly picked up the second issue [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► and kept going it was really really well [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► done now i want to say i like detective [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► comics I didn't love it and I i see [TS]

00:11:01 ◼   ► Jason's point there but I also see Dan's [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► point I like better than that [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► man number one which i also read Batman [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► number one to me suffers from a disease [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► that I thought that DC was getting rid [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► of which they failed to get rid of which [TS]

00:11:14 ◼   ► is the kind of continuity reboot stuff [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► because i really expected them to go to [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► kind of a back to a kind of cop classic [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► Batman story and instead in Batman [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► number one you get you know you get his [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► son is Robin and their former Robbins [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► running around under new identities [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► which i know is part of the continuity [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► but to me I felt like that was a that [TS]

00:11:36 ◼   ► was a mistake that they that they are [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► trying to replicate parts of the [TS]

00:11:40 ◼   ► universe that they want to keep on that [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► they want to keep alive when they [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► probably would have been better off [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► going back to basics detective comics [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► because there is none of that kind of [TS]

00:11:48 ◼   ► Wayne family interplay in fact it's [TS]

00:11:51 ◼   ► essentially I think Bruce Wayne is [TS]

00:11:53 ◼   ► uncounseled for one panel it's really [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► about Batman and I like the twist where [TS]

00:11:59 ◼   ► there's this question of is the Joker [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► the victim or the killer or a little bit [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► of both that I that I really like it was [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► my favorite but i'll defend it a little [TS]

00:12:07 ◼   ► bit because I I it it gave me more of [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► what I expected from a kind of history [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► free Batman story then Batman number one [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► did what i felt weighed down by the DC [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► continuity I don't wanna get too far [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► into this before asking faith what she [TS]

00:12:23 ◼   ► liked from the the the number ones that [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► we've seen in the last month [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► okay well I have to admit that I'm new [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► DC comics so I do I've sort of been ok [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► cool cool because there's a lot of [TS]

00:12:36 ◼   ► converts out there really i was always a [TS]

00:12:38 ◼   ► Marvel die [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► I mean I read Batman but that was it yes [TS]

00:12:41 ◼   ► I i'm using this is my jumping off point [TS]

00:12:43 ◼   ► right that i am free of the continuity [TS]

00:12:45 ◼   ► because i don't understand it and so I [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► want to see and that's why I reacted so [TS]

00:12:49 ◼   ► badly to Batman number one I think is [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► like I I knew that they had done stuff [TS]

00:12:53 ◼   ► like this and there are many robins and [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► his son is around but you know I you [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► know I that's notthat doesn't fit with [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► my kind of idealized view of Batman as a [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► jumping-off point so go ahead [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► oh no so the first one I read was the [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► the Justice League One which i really [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► like but I was a little overwhelmed why [TS]

00:13:10 ◼   ► I guess by the sheer number of [TS]

00:13:12 ◼   ► characters in it and then I'm kept it i [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► mean there weren't they [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► wasn't the whole justice league right it [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► was essentially Batman with green [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► lantern and then early age of Superman [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► so it was they were trying to keep it [TS]

00:13:24 ◼   ► simple [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► certainly yeah there they were trying [TS]

00:13:28 ◼   ► that one yeah yeah other than that Dan [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► has sort of been like oh here read this [TS]

00:13:33 ◼   ► one read this one read this one so i'm [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► getting a little which was the one that [TS]

00:13:37 ◼   ► you were really excited about Dan swamp [TS]

00:13:39 ◼   ► swamp thing [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► no I thought you said Aquaman oh yeah I [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► think aqua thanks for bringing that up [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► Aquaman's great that's great i want to [TS]

00:13:47 ◼   ► read more Aquaman never picked up a copy [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► Aquaman my life i want to see number two [TS]

00:13:51 ◼   ► I'd agree with that too Aquaman was [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► really good and well I want to finally [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► won him over [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► yeah I i totally agree with that Aquaman [TS]

00:13:58 ◼   ► number one was really good and swamp [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► thing everyone was surprisingly good as [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► a as well so I'm on board with dan now [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► oh good now you know you safe you're on [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► board with that fit so faith [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► um one animal man oh I did read Animal [TS]

00:14:14 ◼   ► Man um we will only breed a state which [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► a tradition one either Jason Jason's I [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► actually I liked animal man I i liked [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► the ending of animal man i had i had [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► read a review of it before reading it to [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► I knew what the ending was but I I I [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► still thought it was kind of an [TS]

00:14:32 ◼   ► impactful interesting ending that we had [TS]

00:14:35 ◼   ► me intrigued enough to read the second [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► issue i never even heard animal man [TS]

00:14:40 ◼   ► everybody's I've got I've got one into [TS]

00:14:41 ◼   ► sitting on the desk I haven't written in [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► my to-read pile i would go back and look [TS]

00:14:45 ◼   ► for the grant morrison run on animal man [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► because that was to me the definitive [TS]

00:14:49 ◼   ► run on the character and I'd be [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► interested to see what they're doing [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► with it now and they're doing a little [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► bit of the grand more because grant [TS]

00:14:56 ◼   ► morrison made it the the gun very meta [TS]

00:14:59 ◼   ► story [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► yeah like in Grant Morrison's rent run [TS]

00:15:02 ◼   ► the grant morrison as the author was [TS]

00:15:04 ◼   ► talking to animals animal man in the [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► story yeah by the end of it was very [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► very hey why are you doing this to me [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► yeah and this has some of that vibe [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► though it doesn't go in the same [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► direction so it still feels kind of [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► refreshing and unique [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► oh yeah I so the ones that i looked at I [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► like i did kinda like the Justice League [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► two two faiths point as a jumping-off [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► point i like that they were kind of [TS]

00:15:30 ◼   ► restrained think [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► would have just had it be two pages on [TS]

00:15:33 ◼   ► each member or something instead it was [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► really Batman who is I think maybe their [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► best character and he got time and then [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► they bring green lantern and he's in [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► some ways comic relief because he's [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► portrayed as being a big lummox which [TS]

00:15:45 ◼   ► wich Green Lantern is it it is al Jordan [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► it's held your house or okay yeah he is [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► but he's a lummox and Batman outsmart [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► him and takes his ring in fact which is [TS]

00:15:57 ◼   ► hilarious yeah yeah and Superman is this [TS]

00:15:59 ◼   ► mysterious alien force which I like some [TS]

00:16:01 ◼   ► mystery and Superman I thought that was [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► cool [TS]

00:16:03 ◼   ► I don't handle easily he says I like [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► action comics I thought action comics [TS]

00:16:08 ◼   ► number one was really good and I'm not a [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► Superman fan and you know i love i love [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► Superman being like a guy who has was a [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► character and he has he has [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► vulnerabilities and doesn't really know [TS]

00:16:20 ◼   ► what he's doing and is figuring it out [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► that's just so much more compelling I [TS]

00:16:26 ◼   ► and the other ones I like that girl [TS]

00:16:28 ◼   ► which witchly lisa is you know Gail [TS]

00:16:30 ◼   ► Simone to do a good job you i know you [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► may be offended that she's not oracle [TS]

00:16:33 ◼   ► anymore although that seems to have been [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► integrated someone into the storyline [TS]

00:16:36 ◼   ► because it's a mystery [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► she was paralyzed and now isn't which is [TS]

00:16:39 ◼   ► kind of interesting and I want to make a [TS]

00:16:41 ◼   ► a little bit of a claim for a blue [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► beetle only because i like the Blue [TS]

00:16:47 ◼   ► Beetle general I actually have read the [TS]

00:16:49 ◼   ► Blue Beetle comment before but what I [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► really like about the Blue Beetle and [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► and this I think brings us to another [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► question about number one is blue beetle [TS]

00:16:56 ◼   ► felt like a number one to me it felt [TS]

00:16:58 ◼   ► like a fresh origin and new direction in [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► a way that some of the established [TS]

00:17:04 ◼   ► comics felt like they were number ones [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► with new continuity but it was really [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► the old continuity kind of kind of [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► whitewashed and they didn't actually [TS]

00:17:11 ◼   ► with Blue Beetle they did do a new [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► origin that they changed his origin [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► because originally it was part of the [TS]

00:17:16 ◼   ► final crisis or one of the crate the not [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► final the one before final crisis [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► semifinal yeah which apparently they've [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► wiped out crisis from all of the [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► continuity but I so I like those you [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► know I like the I like the fact that [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► that blue beetle was fairly [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► self-contained mean there's a story arc [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► there but really by the end of the issue [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► you-know-who Jaime Reyes is and you know [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► his friends and you know he lives in [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► texas and you know that he got [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► this you know power accidentally he gets [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► this power accidentally from this kind [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► of crashed you know space spaceship or [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► remnants of a space warrior and and then [TS]

00:17:54 ◼   ► you're off for the next adventure which [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► you know one of the problems I had with [TS]

00:17:58 ◼   ► some of these and I think modern comics [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► being so decompressed is that you end up [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► with you know you don't I [TS]

00:18:08 ◼   ► so here it is who had the over-under on [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► micronauts at a at 20 minutes my micros [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► number one might want to my new favorite [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► comics of all time the entire premises [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► set they have battles and they leave the [TS]

00:18:21 ◼   ► planet never to return in 22 pages and [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► not one of the DC Comics but uh ultimate [TS]

00:18:28 ◼   ► spider-man number one came out in this [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► last month too and that kids not going [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► to put on the spider-man costume until [TS]

00:18:35 ◼   ► like issue 5 it's not even because it's [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► so decompressed and there was a lot of [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► that in the DC stuff too and it's a [TS]

00:18:40 ◼   ► little frustrating because I shouldn't [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► tell me what you think shouldn't a [TS]

00:18:45 ◼   ► number one [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► tell tell you enough to get you [TS]

00:18:49 ◼   ► intrigued and I think that sometimes [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► they they they fail because they're just [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► too short [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► you're my criteria for a good number one [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► is it has to set up the premise so that [TS]

00:18:59 ◼   ► if someone says oh what are you reading [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► about you can say oh I'm reading about [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► an alien has put on the K or oh I'm [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► reading about this guy whose parents [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► were killed and now he solves crimes or [TS]

00:19:07 ◼   ► what have you and they also need to [TS]

00:19:10 ◼   ► introduce the primary character and it [TS]

00:19:12 ◼   ► should make you want to read ahead those [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► those are my big baseline criteria for [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► any number one issue didn't into in [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► preparation for this i went back and [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► reread fantastic for number one and [TS]

00:19:24 ◼   ► amazing spider-man number one and the [TS]

00:19:27 ◼   ► amazing fantasy 15 i think it was which [TS]

00:19:29 ◼   ► is the original the introduction of [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► spider-man or that was the whole you [TS]

00:19:34 ◼   ► find out you meet Peter Parker he become [TS]

00:19:36 ◼   ► spider-man his uncle dies with great [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► power comes great responsibility it was [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► 16 pages [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► yeah and it was complete story and [TS]

00:19:44 ◼   ► you're like I like this guy [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► I want to learn more about him and see [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► more of his adventures [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► yeah and I don't know the DC most of the [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► DC issues lived up to that in a kind of [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► complete a lot of them didn't have [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► complete [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► stories and a lot of them didn't really [TS]

00:20:00 ◼   ► necessarily set up a premise for a story [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► really well because you can't get in [TS]

00:20:04 ◼   ► that decompress way you're talking about [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► Jason they are you get a lot of it like [TS]

00:20:08 ◼   ► oh the first five issues or six issues [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► here will be a complete story and I saw [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► like the opening not even a complete [TS]

00:20:15 ◼   ► opening chapter of this story [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► see this is why I like waiting for [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► trades at this point is because this [TS]

00:20:20 ◼   ► that's this way I don't have to be [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► frustrated by the incremental [TS]

00:20:23 ◼   ► storytelling pace i can just pick up a [TS]

00:20:25 ◼   ► complete Ark and and have done with it [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► dan faith what do you guys think as far [TS]

00:20:31 ◼   ► as your criteria for a good yeah what [TS]

00:20:33 ◼   ► makes the number 144 you and did you [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► feel like there was enough in these [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► number one's for you to keep reading [TS]

00:20:40 ◼   ► that's a great question there are a [TS]

00:20:42 ◼   ► handful of them that maybe I mean on the [TS]

00:20:45 ◼   ► one hand you want you want to identify [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► the character the main character when [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► identify the setting you want to bring [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► people in that's the real thing is I [TS]

00:20:52 ◼   ► mean honestly if you look at this from [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► the story standpoint you can go over and [TS]

00:20:57 ◼   ► look what they're doing with ultimate [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► spider-man you can say they're building [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► a story i got the first two issues that [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► thing and you know they're they're [TS]

00:21:04 ◼   ► building the character they're spending [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► time building the character setting the [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► scene you get the daddy got the uncle [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► you know I mean and he's got this sort [TS]

00:21:10 ◼   ► of power and you get the friend who [TS]

00:21:12 ◼   ► tells him how cool it is that he's got a [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► power and he's working out that he has a [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► power whether it's really i mean on and [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► divide spider-powers I wouldn't [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► immediately start using mine i don't i [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► don't know why comic book characters [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► always have a problem when they have [TS]

00:21:24 ◼   ► powers especially when the powers that [TS]

00:21:26 ◼   ► you can kind of get under control pretty [TS]

00:21:28 ◼   ► quickly [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► you know I would like EW I wouldn't mind [TS]

00:21:32 ◼   ► having the power to take the power given [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► the powers [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► I'll try I'll try some powers I would [TS]

00:21:37 ◼   ► like them I like the bestest Deacon do [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► you [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► decompression i actually liked that [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► story but as a number one you know [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► nothing really happens and then they put [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► a picture of him in a spider-man costume [TS]

00:21:47 ◼   ► on the cover and it's like being on a [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► where is it lets see it [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► yeah how does he get to that point how [TS]

00:21:51 ◼   ► many ever get this rate it'll take a [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► 1500 issues before you don't figures out [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► how to make a web and they you know and [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► I I think it's just changed too much [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► racket so much for a common cause you [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► know what I'm saying I think number ones [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► really have to be it's it's a first date [TS]

00:22:06 ◼   ► you know and [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► against like that you got a-you got a [TS]

00:22:10 ◼   ► little bit of romance a little bit of [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► intrigue a little bit of mystery you [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► have to get to that second date with the [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► person and can you go to can you go too [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► far in the first comic book date you can [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► the possible going how you how do you go [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► too far your I think that's what you [TS]

00:22:23 ◼   ► didn't like about about the detective [TS]

00:22:25 ◼   ► comics it went too far free but it did [TS]

00:22:27 ◼   ► that just went too far in a particular [TS]

00:22:29 ◼   ► genre that I find like you date a girl [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► and meet you know she seems nice and [TS]

00:22:34 ◼   ► then you know you find out what she [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► wears combat boots and the the my [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► probably the detective comics was more [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► about like you know when bad writing [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► that using gore to cover bad writing [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► it's just like using Nazis as the bad [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► guy it's not hard you put something not [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► uniformly up bad guy and and it's just [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► lazy writing speaking of combat boots [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► this met this a metaphor that we're [TS]

00:22:55 ◼   ► using this frightening me by the way his [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► first dating I actually I liked it at [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► first and now it's getting right it's [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► kind of gone it's uncomfortable and it [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► isn't know what to your point about [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► amazing fantasy 15 or spider-man number [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► one or something like that is in the old [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► days you could tell a complete story in [TS]

00:23:12 ◼   ► and now you know people they don't do [TS]

00:23:15 ◼   ► that right and and so that I guess the [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► question is you either start off a 5x5 [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► issue story arc in order to force them [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► to come back through plot right instead [TS]

00:23:23 ◼   ► of it being I want to know more about [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► these characters that may still be there [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► too but all of these number ones from DC [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► that i read it was really a cliffhanger [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► that would give you mystery about where [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► the plot was going to go next and that [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► was the thing that would get you back [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► not the not the characters necessarily [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► because you could have done it [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► number one that was a standalone and [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► then people would have to judge it [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► entirely based on whether they wanted to [TS]

00:23:47 ◼   ► come back and enjoy another story [TS]

00:23:49 ◼   ► instead of find out what happened which [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► is a big difference I think again we're [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► back to where back to Aquaman because [TS]

00:23:55 ◼   ► Aquaman sets the scene tells the heck of [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► a lot about the character he says almost [TS]

00:23:59 ◼   ► nothing in the whole book says almost [TS]

00:24:02 ◼   ► nothing but like that's the 1i keep [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► coming back and thinking about because [TS]

00:24:06 ◼   ► there was a sense of fun there's a sense [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► of of awareness to it and he's barely do [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► i think that the kana couple guys in a [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► truck like he what he did wasn't even [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► that big of a deal [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► relatively speaking didn't save the [TS]

00:24:17 ◼   ► world but yet that's the one I'm the [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► kind of interested in [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► and isn't it interesting that in a genre [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► that's it's all about character all the [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► books were the most of the books focused [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► on plot right and we were not that's [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► kind of bad writing [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► well I mean it's it may be something [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► about the intrusion of of commerce on [TS]

00:24:41 ◼   ► the on the writing to that they feel [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► like they need to do that although i [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► think that's great i didn't read Aquaman [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► I feel like that girl actually did a [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► little bit of that too where there is an [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► ongoing plot that is supposed to be kind [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► of interesting and mysterious and she's [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► got some character background but at the [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► same time I felt like most of the pages [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► of Batgirl were spent introducing us to [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► this character and she's got this you [TS]

00:25:07 ◼   ► know she's kind of scarred because she [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► had something happened to her and she [TS]

00:25:11 ◼   ► was unable to walk for some period of [TS]

00:25:13 ◼   ► time and she's only now kind of [TS]

00:25:15 ◼   ► reentering the world and we're kind of [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► with her as she reenters and puts on her [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► costume for the first time since the [TS]

00:25:21 ◼   ► accident and we you know and we meet her [TS]

00:25:23 ◼   ► dad who's the commissioner and all those [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► things and I like that because it in a [TS]

00:25:29 ◼   ► way that I didn't like some of the other [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► books even though I I i like them they [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► were carrying me along with the story [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► whereas with that girl I felt much more [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► connected and that is right it's not [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► just good writing but it's also a good [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► choice i think 22 time into that [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► character because you know good writing [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► and a good character will get me to read [TS]

00:25:49 ◼   ► a number two more than a kind of insane [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► cliffhanger will because if I didn't [TS]

00:25:53 ◼   ► really enjoy the point up to the [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► cliffhanger i'm not sure i would buy [TS]

00:25:56 ◼   ► number to any of you read batwing now [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► alright so no comments on all answer [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► once the premise of Pat wing and [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► apparently is when Batman and in the [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► previous continuity was going around the [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► world and creating other little Batman's [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► everywhere i'm in the Batman Inc grant [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► morrison storyline is batwing was one of [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► those characters and he is in Africa [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► forget which country in africa methods [TS]

00:26:25 ◼   ► the Congo but he's a the African Batman [TS]

00:26:28 ◼   ► and interestingly in the story i haven't [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► read anything about him previously [TS]

00:26:34 ◼   ► they didn't really focus on him he's [TS]

00:26:36 ◼   ► kind of narrating stories from his point [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► of view but you really get introduced to [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► this other cop character and it's all [TS]

00:26:43 ◼   ► about the police forces corrupt in this [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► African nation and he's wondering about [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► this this woman and whether she's on the [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► side of angels or corrupt and then some [TS]

00:26:52 ◼   ► stuff happens you do you get introduced [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► to his sort of guy friday character [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► Batman makes a quick appearance but it [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► was almost as if the if as if the [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► writers new people new this character so [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► they focused on other characters to [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► bring new audience in you sort of [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► introduced to the world through his eyes [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► and I didn't really get to learn about [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► him but I didn't care because these [TS]

00:27:14 ◼   ► other characters were kind of [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► interesting and it was a softer story [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► and as far as things happening but they [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► were enough character interesting stuff [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► no i don't know how i feel about picking [TS]

00:27:27 ◼   ► up a book called batwing it's not the [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► best title of the world on the wings of [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► color [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► yeah it was a good story Lisa well you [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► haven't so Lisa you we haven't talked [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► about red hood and the outlaws [TS]

00:27:48 ◼   ► yeah and we also haven't talked about [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► what was the what was the other one that [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► got them in trouble [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► Catwoman will be that woman yeah i [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► bought both of those mostly just to see [TS]

00:28:00 ◼   ► the train wreck [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► oh it's really don't reward it uh-huh [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► you know I had died I had a podcast [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► coming up I felt like I needed to read [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► them in order to understand how bad they [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► were but you know for those who don't [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► know this is you know Richard me out was [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► robbed it reboots Starfire from the Teen [TS]

00:28:20 ◼   ► Titans and and it's Robin who's now or [TS]

00:28:22 ◼   ► no it's one of the Robins it's jason [TS]

00:28:24 ◼   ► todd right switch it goes back to Batman [TS]

00:28:26 ◼   ► continuity being very confusing and this [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► supposedly clean slate and a lot of [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► cross controversy about it because in [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► she's basically I candy and you know [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► she's got big boobs and she's posing [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► supposedly talking to to the men in the [TS]

00:28:42 ◼   ► frame but she's actually just posing for [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► the people looking at the frame and she [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► considers all men interchangeable and [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► just wants to have sex with them which [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► is uh yeah you know sort of got them [TS]

00:28:53 ◼   ► singled out as being perhaps not the [TS]

00:28:56 ◼   ► clean slate in terms of finding a new [TS]

00:28:59 ◼   ► audience that that people might have [TS]

00:29:02 ◼   ► expected and it's not even that shocking [TS]

00:29:04 ◼   ► an idea or a character conceit it's [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► actually been really played out because [TS]

00:29:09 ◼   ► back before they did the reboot Gail [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► Simone's brown on secret six she had two [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► characters one was knock out who was a [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► fellow female fury she and big particles [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► coming from apocalypse and knockout was [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► partnered with some vandal savages are [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► scandal savage you know I say that out [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► loud just sounds so dump anyway the [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► point is is that knockout at this very [TS]

00:29:34 ◼   ► very cavalier attitude towards sex and [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► she was like Bay Street her whole mo was [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► if i have an edge it's going to get [TS]

00:29:41 ◼   ► scratched and i'm just going to grab the [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► nearest bipedal hominid with a heartbeat [TS]

00:29:46 ◼   ► and go for it and and so you know this [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► is already kind of established and so to [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► have poor sweet Starfire basically [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► acting like a human realdoll they're not [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► human but inhuman real doll was was just [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► kind of really really if it's been done [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► it's boring and I don't think it did [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► much to advance the character because at [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► least in secret six it was seen as kind [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► of a character defining trait in the [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► sense that look you know I don't care [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► what you think this is how I roll [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► whereas in this case it was oh my gosh [TS]

00:30:15 ◼   ► it's a gorgeous woman had a bikini and [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► crazy eyes and who [TS]

00:30:20 ◼   ► wow it yeah it felt elated in cheap as [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► opposed to something that actually [TS]

00:30:24 ◼   ► explain where characters mindset came [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► from you do it was bad writing right i [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► mean there are better ways to tell that [TS]

00:30:30 ◼   ► even if you want to make this alien [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► character who's got very broad ideas [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► about sex and love will just show [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► different people leaving room in [TS]

00:30:40 ◼   ► background panels or something over [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► there are ways to do it that that don't [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► make her seem like a blow-up doll which [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► is a which is you know what they didn't [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► do it [TS]

00:30:50 ◼   ► it's just it's just lazy writing I mean [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► it'sit's if you wanted to to titillate [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► the you know thirteen-year-old boy [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► audience and comics are still written [TS]

00:30:58 ◼   ► for you do that it [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► are they are they written for the [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► thirteen-year-old audience or are they [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► written for the 30-year old ovens I was [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► gonna ask the same question so what who [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► what audiences this is this written for [TS]

00:31:10 ◼   ► because none of this stuff that we're [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► identifying as being a problem [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► I mean this is none of this is is new I [TS]

00:31:19 ◼   ► mean it maybe it's new for DC to do it [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► but it's not need to the comics genre as [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► a whole is my point but the way it's [TS]

00:31:25 ◼   ► being written is they took away this [TS]

00:31:27 ◼   ► this characters agency where all of a [TS]

00:31:30 ◼   ► sudden she's put on the defensive where [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► she has to explain her sexual philosophy [TS]

00:31:33 ◼   ► and it is judged in the framework in [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► context of a bunch of male characters [TS]

00:31:38 ◼   ► and so the message that sends out is [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► that however she feels or whatever role [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► she serves it's going to be wrong [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► because it wasn't defined by the men [TS]

00:31:46 ◼   ► that she interacts with whereas when [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► Simone did this with knockout never [TS]

00:31:50 ◼   ► female Furies it was it was pretty much [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► look this is this is what I do this is [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► how I roll [TS]

00:31:56 ◼   ► I'm sorry if you don't like it I [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► realized it was a cultural clash [TS]

00:31:59 ◼   ► um I'm not changing but it's not going [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► to happen again with you and it all [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► comes down to running in perspective you [TS]

00:32:06 ◼   ► know knock it was written as a woman [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► with sexual agency and star far was [TS]

00:32:09 ◼   ► written as a sex object there's a huge [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► difference [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► it comes down to without you respect the [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► character enough to give them a mind of [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► their own as opposed to making them [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► somebody else's prop I guess my am [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► concerned about this is I mean there's a [TS]

00:32:24 ◼   ► larger issue of sort of sexism and [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► comics and and what our audience are you [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► pandering to and and and the thing that [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► the thing that I'm shocked me about it [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► is that we know we talked earlier about [TS]

00:32:35 ◼   ► and faith you mentioned this that you [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► are new to DC comics and haven't read [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► these comics before when they're trying [TS]

00:32:43 ◼   ► to reach a new audience and got TV ads [TS]

00:32:48 ◼   ► actually saying you can go download [TS]

00:32:50 ◼   ► these things on your iPad or you can go [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► to a comic book store whatever you can [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► get them they're trying to reach a new [TS]

00:32:55 ◼   ► audience and then to come out with a [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► tissue like like Catwoman number one [TS]

00:33:00 ◼   ► where she starts out naked and slowly [TS]

00:33:02 ◼   ► put very slowly puts on her underwear as [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► the issue goes along or red hoodie [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► outlaws with with Starfire how she's [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► treated I I you know I i look at that [TS]

00:33:13 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► you are pandering to your traditional [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► comics audience and you're and you're [TS]

00:33:17 ◼   ► not going to turn off people who are [TS]

00:33:21 ◼   ► your new audience I you know I don't [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► know if favored and you've got any any [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► thoughts about that i mean do you really [TS]

00:33:29 ◼   ► think they are trying to get like people [TS]

00:33:31 ◼   ► who haven't picked up the comic book [TS]

00:33:33 ◼   ► ever because I i would question the [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► likelihood of that happening i'm new to [TS]

00:33:37 ◼   ► DC comics but I'm not knit new to comics [TS]

00:33:40 ◼   ► so I mean I am very familiar with the [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► fact that typically report the [TS]

00:33:45 ◼   ► proportions of a woman's body or not [TS]

00:33:47 ◼   ► accurately portrayed yeah yeah yeah i [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► mean i would question that like someone [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► who has never picked up a comic book [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► would be going near these I do think [TS]

00:34:00 ◼   ► they are there they're trying to get [TS]

00:34:02 ◼   ► that audience that goes and sees you [TS]

00:34:05 ◼   ► know the movies that are out now the [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► Batman movies that did the ten or eleven [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► people who saw the green lantern film [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► that they're trying to get those new [TS]

00:34:11 ◼   ► those people who are familiar with the [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► characters may be familiar with comics [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► or at least comic strips from the [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► newspaper and trying to get them to pick [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► up something new so i would argue there [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► they are trying to expand the market [TS]

00:34:23 ◼   ► they have to because the the comic book [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► market is so small it may also be step [TS]

00:34:30 ◼   ► one is get back the people who have read [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► comics in the past and it's just too [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► inconvenient but they've got an ipad [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► right there or a computer that they can [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► just view them on the computer and and [TS]

00:34:43 ◼   ► and get them back it just you know it [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► surprises me when they talk about going [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► mainstream and DC you know has talked [TS]

00:34:48 ◼   ► about saying we want to be able to do TV [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► ads that they made the creative [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► decisions i don't know i don't know if [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► anybody else read those issues but I [TS]

00:34:57 ◼   ► maybe I'm the only one who was enough of [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► a sucker to buy red hood me outlaws and [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► by Catwoman number one just to see the [TS]

00:35:03 ◼   ► just to see how bad it was [TS]

00:35:05 ◼   ► yeah i bought cab Catwoman number one [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► before I heard there is any big deal [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► about it and when you think you know I [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► was here I was expect to be honest I was [TS]

00:35:14 ◼   ► expecting that from everyone I mean that [TS]

00:35:17 ◼   ► that's that's kind of what Catwoman has [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► always been about I mean I was not [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► expecting Catwoman to have sex with that [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► man on the last panel [TS]

00:35:24 ◼   ► I mean like if you think back to the tim [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► burton area of Batman movies I I try not [TS]

00:35:31 ◼   ► to think about that returns clubs about [TS]

00:35:33 ◼   ► oh ok but I mean that was that was [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► Catwoman that was her back then I with [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► Michelle Pfeiffer and enroll and people [TS]

00:35:42 ◼   ► thought it was great when it was [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► Michelle Pfeiffer and it wasn't really [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► that different from what we're seeing [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► now I mean you know sure you can [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► question the the last page and certainly [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► had my question whether the TT plus [TS]

00:35:53 ◼   ► audience i think at least in the Marvel [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► side T plus is like 13 and up [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► I don't you know I don't know if this [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► was the kind of comic that my parents [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► would have especially wanted me to read [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► when I was 13 years old i'm not saying [TS]

00:36:07 ◼   ► that you know kids don't find ways to [TS]

00:36:09 ◼   ► read things behind their parents back [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► but i'm not saying i would buy this for [TS]

00:36:13 ◼   ► my thirteen-year-old but that said like [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► again I I don't know if that's the [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► audience that its intended for the [TS]

00:36:20 ◼   ► rating system is kind of arbitrary [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► anyway but if you assume that this is a [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► comic telling it and but maybe a more [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► adult story it's not for kids if you [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► take that off if you read this thing or [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► whatever [TS]

00:36:31 ◼   ► I'm would it would it be as big of a [TS]

00:36:33 ◼   ► deal [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► you know i think you're right that it's [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► it's somewhat expected for the [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► characters i think it's it the way it [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► was portrayed was interesting in the [TS]

00:36:41 ◼   ► almost that watchman way where was about [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► the characters as in costume [TS]

00:36:48 ◼   ► you know they don't take their costumes [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► off as they start making Whoopie and pay [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► it had that it was that had nice [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► interesting kind of personality who's [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► the real character whose to [TS]

00:37:03 ◼   ► secret-identity all that kind of [TS]

00:37:04 ◼   ► layering that watchman did so well and [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► other books have been applied it's a [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► Batman and Catwoman and and the fact [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► that they were hooking up that's not [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► surprising it's been hinted at forever [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► it's just a bit more graphically [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► portrayed a question the need to [TS]

00:37:18 ◼   ► graphically portray it no oh yeah you [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► know I don't think it i don't think i [TS]

00:37:23 ◼   ► don't think it was a it was a I'm [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► groping for the right word here and I i [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► don't think it did bad things for cat [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► your cat woman's character [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► they're the same way up or start forgot [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► it but [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► the art frankly looks like fanfiction [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► type art you know if it does i've heard [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► a lot of people have said that a lot of [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► you that last panel is really not very [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► well-executed I looked at it and thought [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► well I know what did right across here [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► but we're where it was kind of like it [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► took me a moment to kind of figure out [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► where the body parts were going and you [TS]

00:37:56 ◼   ► know which one should be but it failed [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► an artistic level 20 but i think there i [TS]

00:38:02 ◼   ► think there was a way again there's a [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► way you could have done it where it [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► didn't come off as the female character [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► being put on display for an audience to [TS]

00:38:11 ◼   ► judge her and user as a sex object in [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► their own mind and and that's the thing [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► that bothers me in both cases is the way [TS]

00:38:19 ◼   ► that the female characters are framed [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► and depicted on the page there they're [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► not really being presented as characters [TS]

00:38:27 ◼   ► with with agency and motivation and and [TS]

00:38:30 ◼   ► incentives of their own [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► it's rather here is something for you to [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► go look at now teehee and it's that [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► yeah it didn't didn't throw me but it [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► has been common i think maybe maybe it's [TS]

00:38:43 ◼   ► just that it's it's always been like [TS]

00:38:45 ◼   ► that with with so many comics and I [TS]

00:38:47 ◼   ► guess maybe I just thought with DC [TS]

00:38:50 ◼   ► saying they were trying to reach a [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► broader audience or bring people back [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► into the fold and advertises on [TS]

00:38:55 ◼   ► television a nationwide created girl [TS]

00:38:58 ◼   ► geek culture is you think they would [TS]

00:38:59 ◼   ► have talked to some women about how they [TS]

00:39:01 ◼   ► felt about this this long-standing comic [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► book convention of women being the [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► objects and the and the add-ons and the [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► tokens in the books you know but they [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► they didn't change right i mean it is it [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► is it is what kind of you would expect [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► which is i just i was a little [TS]

00:39:15 ◼   ► disappointed by it now before we get off [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► too far on the horrible crippling sexism [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► of DC in a couple issues which we did I [TS]

00:39:24 ◼   ► want to talk about Jason mentioned [TS]

00:39:26 ◼   ► watchman number one and i want to see if [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► you guys had any thing to say about and [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► I already dropped the micronized bomb a [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► little while ago about about other [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► classic number-one issues that you like [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► her or or didn't like and you know since [TS]

00:39:41 ◼   ► Jason mentioned amazing fantasy 15 and [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► and fantastic for number one and i was [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► going to mention watch men number one as [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► well which is a great example of [TS]

00:39:49 ◼   ► something that doesn't [TS]

00:39:50 ◼   ► reveal all the characters and all the [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► storyline yet but it gives you enough [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► that you are in this rich world [TS]

00:39:56 ◼   ► it sets the initial mystery and then you [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► know makes you have to come back for [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► more and that that I was hooked I heard [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► knew nothing about watchmen other than [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► that it was severely hyped and i bought [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► watchman number one because i am that [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► ancient and was blown away and then you [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► know that was it I was sold on the whole [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► on the whole series but i'm wondering if [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► you guys have some other examples of of [TS]

00:40:19 ◼   ► favorite first issues from the past [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► dan how about you mm I was I was [TS]

00:40:26 ◼   ► actually afraid you're gonna start what [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► you want to pass now I don't pass to [TS]

00:40:30 ◼   ► canopy limited series [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► sure yeah i mean i plied rebel army and [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► limited Wolverine limited series number [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► one back in the eighties still got it [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► still got arrangements nodding they [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► don't get totally rocked that was a [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► great why can't I want totally won the [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► faith people have totally won the sky [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► over yeah he's totally in my court now I [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► could say anything now and he could come [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► on board [TS]

00:40:50 ◼   ► I've got I've got the book right here [TS]

00:40:52 ◼   ► I've got it right here in my box right [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► by the dad is that a original original [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► worry miniseries chris claremont Frank [TS]

00:40:58 ◼   ► Miller yeah yeah it's not in great [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► condition but I mean look at that thing [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► that book is amazing [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► everything about it cover the cover [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► forget everything forget they don't even [TS]

00:41:08 ◼   ► open it just look at the cover this is [TS]

00:41:10 ◼   ► james a bad its iconic now it's the best [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► what are you gonna say I mean that's my [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► favorite number one gotta be alright [TS]

00:41:19 ◼   ► fair enough faith do you have a favorite [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► number one [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► uh-huh I mm no no wonder what dad wants [TS]

00:41:30 ◼   ► to answer for our flight [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► I just have a feeling she's in sapphire [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► yeah sure you can't be Canadian [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► superheroes actually you can you can [TS]

00:41:40 ◼   ► beat them senseless but good [TS]

00:41:45 ◼   ► I mean how can you beat this yeah he's [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► you can't see this but he's like waving [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► around his will be generally very very [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► gently very gently [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► it's like that you think like [TS]

00:41:54 ◼   ► shrink-wrap you don't harm now it's just [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► a bit just in a bag can't believe [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► champey read you can't even look at it [TS]

00:42:00 ◼   ► look away again then can be viewed [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► so I'm gonna go outside of the [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► mainstream genre with number ones stray [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► bullets number one by a david lapham [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► came out you can get them all in trade [TS]

00:42:15 ◼   ► now and i encourage the audience to pick [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► them up every issue is almost a number [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► one because every issue was a complete [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► story and he'd introduce a new character [TS]

00:42:24 ◼   ► so you have to kind of get to know this [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► character the world the whole thing it [TS]

00:42:28 ◼   ► was almost mostly seventies pulp fiction [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► type stories but after four or five [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► issues you started realizing there's the [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► big story going on and all these people [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► are connected even though they weren't [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► in there but you got to start seeing [TS]

00:42:45 ◼   ► other parts of the same town or same [TS]

00:42:47 ◼   ► storyline going on and other things from [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► other characters perspectives and you're [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► like oh wait i thought i was just [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► reading interesting character pieces and [TS]

00:42:54 ◼   ► now there's this bigger picture going on [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► and it was each story by itself [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► great story and then bigger [TS]

00:43:01 ◼   ► meta-narrative amazing but that's [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► cheating because you've just said every [TS]

00:43:04 ◼   ► issue is number one but there was only [TS]

00:43:06 ◼   ► one number one and you can tell from it [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► that every other issue is going to be [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► interconnected know that you can't get [TS]

00:43:10 ◼   ► number one a red cover a little kid [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► dressed up for Halloween as a ghost and [TS]

00:43:17 ◼   ► has to cover great story just because [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► each one is complete story was that [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► number one issue is fantastic one of the [TS]

00:43:23 ◼   ► best number ones I've ever read [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► fair enough Lisa what about you [TS]

00:43:28 ◼   ► I'm going to slightly different [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► direction and make an argument that as a [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► publishing arm vertigo actually tends to [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► have a very strong number one issues on [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► most of their books if it's the original [TS]

00:43:39 ◼   ► book for example I thought that bill [TS]

00:43:41 ◼   ► williams fables has a really strong and [TS]

00:43:43 ◼   ► compelling number one issue because they [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► started off right away with a murder [TS]

00:43:48 ◼   ► mystery and they do and they World build [TS]

00:43:50 ◼   ► around the murder mystery at the same [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► time and it was one of those where you [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► put down you just want to read more more [TS]

00:43:56 ◼   ► more and then going way way back [TS]

00:44:01 ◼   ► your gay men's first issue black orchid [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► is definite again what does it kills off [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► a main character and then you know kind [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► of reboots the premise all the first [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► issues that's another one that's really [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► fun and powerful to read and the work [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► that bryan cave on has done for [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► vertigo again almost always number ones [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► have been really good really strong [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► jumping into the wayback machine as a [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► middle schooler I think when the first [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► issue of xmas Newton's came out I want [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► that oh yeah I love that number one I [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► think that is fantastic and it [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► definitely set a tone for the series and [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► then had a story and did a great job [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► introducing characters within the [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► framework of an already established a [TS]

00:44:46 ◼   ► fictional universe and so I'd argue that [TS]

00:44:49 ◼   ► that's a really strong number one shoot [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► didn't do mutants get kicked off by a [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► graphic novel though and then there was [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► the number one I don't remember to be [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► honest with the other members is sitting [TS]

00:44:59 ◼   ► down with a stack of of the of the of [TS]

00:45:01 ◼   ► the comic books at the comic issues and [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► reading through some pretty sure yeah i [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► think that i think we launched it with a [TS]

00:45:07 ◼   ► with a graphic novel and then they went [TS]

00:45:09 ◼   ► to number one but i do remember reading [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► that number one a million times because [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► it we as somebody who discovered a lot [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► of these comics obviously most people [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► discover comics not with issue number [TS]

00:45:20 ◼   ► one but with issue number 138 yeah uh [TS]

00:45:23 ◼   ► and so being in on the ground floor of [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► you know the next x-men basically when I [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► didn't get a chance to do that before [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► because I was too young to reject anyone [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► around 16 yeah it was exciting and and [TS]

00:45:39 ◼   ► that's you know me I think that's the [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► purpose number ones surviving we see [TS]

00:45:44 ◼   ► number ones again and again comic [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► companies reset the numbering whenever [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► they feel like it in order i guess you [TS]

00:45:51 ◼   ► know collectors want to collect them but [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► they will not send a message about it it [TS]

00:45:55 ◼   ► how it's a new story and that's what I [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► the next thing i want to bring up which [TS]

00:45:59 ◼   ► is our how important our number ones [TS]

00:46:03 ◼   ► really because don't most of us and this [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► is bisko's for origin stories to don't [TS]

00:46:08 ◼   ► most of us fall into a story in the [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► middle anyway I mean how often is it [TS]

00:46:12 ◼   ► that we start with we see number one and [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► we start with number one unless we've [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► discovered some other part of the story [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► and then have decided to backtrack to it [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► i think i think they're important but [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► listen talking about this fables thing [TS]

00:46:24 ◼   ► the other day look at the cover this new [TS]

00:46:26 ◼   ► fable side [TS]

00:46:28 ◼   ► this thing looks good I want to get this [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► and I said to the person in the storm [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► like well can I just jump into haha you [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► can't just jump into that they like like [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► oh no you can't go no and then they said [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► they said here's where you want to start [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► and they took me back and they have an [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► entire like wing of this comment is a [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► big that whole wing devoted to just the [TS]

00:46:49 ◼   ► straight paperback to this thing I'll [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► never get caught up in by others there's [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► this book but right now the series there [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► and this not give anything away that the [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► first arc of the series of the first [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► giant art that takes up like seven or [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► eight or nine trade paperbacks concerns [TS]

00:47:04 ◼   ► a giant war and you can totally skip [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► over that and jump into the universe [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► after the war is done and you're you [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► know all you're missing is some [TS]

00:47:12 ◼   ► backstory and easter egg has dropped in [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► but that's your entry point if you don't [TS]

00:47:16 ◼   ► want to go back and read and it and drop [TS]

00:47:19 ◼   ► a boatload of money on trades and spend [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► the entire weekend catching up on that's [TS]

00:47:23 ◼   ► actually the good things about the [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► series is it seems like Willingham is [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► riding along arcs and while you know I [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► like the series enough to encourage you [TS]

00:47:31 ◼   ► to read them you can totally jump in [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► after the war's over and and you'd still [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► have a really rewarding experience with [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► the serious that's one of the things i [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► think that series is doing right it's [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► providing a lot of natural tapering [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► points have we gotten spoiled have we [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► gotten too much information to the point [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► where back in the day if you had seen [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► you know hey this table is a cool comic [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► pickup issue number 128 and and you [TS]

00:47:53 ◼   ► wouldn't have said well i can get the [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► trade paperback I can go on Wikipedia [TS]

00:47:56 ◼   ► and look at the story arc and maybe i'll [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► just start with number one and work my [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► way up and back then you know not to [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► sound again like an old man back then [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► maybe we're a little more innocently [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► saying you know whatever i'll just pick [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► up this issue i found out of the at the [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► supermarket and I'll figure it out [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► because I think we're all capable of [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► figuring out where the what's going on [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► the story i'm not sure we all need to [TS]

00:48:16 ◼   ► start with number one but I feel like at [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► this point that's the society we live it [TS]

00:48:22 ◼   ► is we have so much information at their [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► disposal that you know why would you [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► ever start at number eighteen when you [TS]

00:48:27 ◼   ► could start at number one [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► one of the things that jim shooter was [TS]

00:48:32 ◼   ► always really big on and pushed his [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► writers and editors to do was every [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► issue is somebody's first so you have to [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► have enough things in the story that [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► anybody picking up the story can pick up [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► the world and the characters and things [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► which is why every issue of x-men [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► wolverine head Wolverine say I'm the [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► best there is at what I do and what I do [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► isn't very nice which is all you need to [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► know about the character and as a long [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► time reader reading in a trade paperback [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► now it's really annoying but in the days [TS]

00:48:59 ◼   ► of those single issues on newsstands and [TS]

00:49:01 ◼   ► you know you pick up one in the middle [TS]

00:49:03 ◼   ► of the story it told you everything like [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► you look at any issue Fantastic Four and [TS]

00:49:07 ◼   ► it was you got every issue was sooo [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► referred to johnny is her brother Reed [TS]

00:49:14 ◼   ► referred to the accident was generally [TS]

00:49:16 ◼   ► referenced read referred to sue is his [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► wife like just through the dialogue you [TS]

00:49:20 ◼   ► got who all the characters were and [TS]

00:49:22 ◼   ► writers don't do that today they tried [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► the beginning of like you know an issue [TS]

00:49:25 ◼   ► of ultimate spider-man they have that [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► little blurb about ultimate who ultimate [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► spider-man is and what happened in the [TS]

00:49:30 ◼   ► previous issue to help with it but it [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► used to be built into the stories which [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► is kind of annoying and trade paperbacks [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► that we live in today [TS]

00:49:37 ◼   ► alright that's that jason reitman has [TS]

00:49:41 ◼   ► dropped some history on us there I [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► actually grew up reading gym shooters a [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► marvel comics and and I I did feel that [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► way that was that works for me because [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► that's how i got into comics was not by [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► digging up old issues but just dropping [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► into those those issues and being like [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► okay I get through the x-men are [TS]

00:49:56 ◼   ► generally I kind of figured out who [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► kitty pryde is and why she down in the [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► tunnels with the Morlocks you know I I [TS]

00:50:02 ◼   ► didn't need to read that issue 12 issues [TS]

00:50:04 ◼   ► ago I I i could piece it together and i [TS]

00:50:07 ◼   ► also used to the asterisks to cross [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► hospital i love the footnotes and this [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► one you could actually hunt them down if [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► you're interested in them to my very [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► first comic book was uncanny x-men [TS]

00:50:17 ◼   ► annual number five which Boone oh yes [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► would allow the dude yeah we've [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► discussed what a jerk [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► re Richards's on it anyway of course oh [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► that's my favorite topics of you put [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► eight anyway the point is I'm not only [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► do they do the thing where you get [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► introduced to everybody they do with the [TS]

00:50:35 ◼   ► x-men to wear like storm can you sum up [TS]

00:50:37 ◼   ► some wins for us of course I care and [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► but they also explained to the boon R&Y [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► Professor Xavier's girlfriend is an [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► alien and so on and so forth we got the [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► footnotes aplenty and so you know as a [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► as a 5th grader [TS]

00:50:51 ◼   ► not only did i do I get this instant [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► comprehension [TS]

00:50:55 ◼   ► of this this fictitious world I was also [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► really hooked on the idea that there is [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► back reading to do or or that you know [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► this world radiated out to other books [TS]

00:51:02 ◼   ► that i could hunt down as well and it [TS]

00:51:04 ◼   ► was just a beautiful balance of [TS]

00:51:06 ◼   ► self-contained story and I look into a [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► wider world and i do think that despite [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► the plethora of crossover events that [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► most comic book publishers put out today [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► I think we've all I i think the [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► storytelling his ship to the point where [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► it doesn't do that as elegantly as it [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► used to [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► I don't know why but I think we've lost [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► a little bit of that style and it's a [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► pity the my first issue was x-men 1 99 [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► and it was wearing Rachel summers became [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► phoenix and I had no idea who any of [TS]

00:51:37 ◼   ► these characters were or phoenix or any [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► of that stuff but the issue like I got [TS]

00:51:41 ◼   ► this character is going to his major [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► transformation and her mom but she's [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► been altered reality but her mom also [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► had gone through this and then did very [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► very bad things and she has a lot to try [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► to live up to and makeup for and so [TS]

00:51:55 ◼   ► introduce me to one issue to this entire [TS]

00:51:57 ◼   ► world and I got it was like a great [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► story and intriguing enough then to kind [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► of investigate this world and discover [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► all of it was amazing and and it's it is [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► kind of what first issues need to do and [TS]

00:52:08 ◼   ► I don't know that any of the DC one's [TS]

00:52:10 ◼   ► really rose to that level it does anyone [TS]

00:52:15 ◼   ► disagree i didn't read enough them to be [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► able to do agree or disagree so I'm just [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► going to take your word for it [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► alright so before we go though I wanna [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► turn Jason's question on it a little bit [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► i'm interested to know from all of you [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► this is where i actually i'm going to [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► put you on the spot finally one of the [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► nice things about DC to go about your [TS]

00:52:37 ◼   ► number ones is if we were to tell [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► somebody this week that one DC comic was [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► good they wouldn't have to go back a [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► hundred hundred and twenty issues they [TS]

00:52:46 ◼   ► could go back to last month or just [TS]

00:52:49 ◼   ► downloaded on their iPad and start with [TS]

00:52:51 ◼   ► issue 1 and then probably immediately [TS]

00:52:53 ◼   ► move on to issue 2 and then that would [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► be it may have to wait a month so i'm [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► going to put you on the spot and ask if [TS]

00:52:59 ◼   ► for our blisters out there if there was [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► one DC number one that you would [TS]

00:53:04 ◼   ► recommend they try to see about this new [TS]

00:53:07 ◼   ► DC [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► the stuff 52 number-one issues [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► what would it be and i'll start and I'm [TS]

00:53:15 ◼   ► going to start with the Blue Beetle it [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► which i mentioned before because it is a [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► true origin story which is fun i think [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► the Blue Beetle does not get enough [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► credit [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► I am a sucker for the teenage kid with [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► problems who get superpowers genre i [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► love invincible [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► I love ultimate spider-man and blue [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► beetle is the DC ultimate spider-man [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► he's great [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► it's a great comic and the new comic [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► looks to be just as good as got this [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► whole cosmic soldier kind of thing and [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► i'm a sucker for the space superhero [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► genre to and blue beetles got all of [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► that so that's what i recommend it if [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► you haven't I ever heard the Blue Beetle [TS]

00:53:53 ◼   ► before I say check it out because you [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► will get the whole story of who the blue [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► beetle is and what he's all about and [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► i'm going to be going to be reading that [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► one Jason what about you [TS]

00:54:03 ◼   ► I don't think almost depends on who I'm [TS]

00:54:06 ◼   ► talking to and what kind of genre they [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► like because I think to DC's credit they [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► hit lots of different genres and have [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► something for almost everyone if I was [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► just doing the my top one I would [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► probably go with the flow Mach omak [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► number one because it it was so much fun [TS]

00:54:22 ◼   ► and and it started to introduce a new [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► character and its hapless office worker [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► gets zapped by brother I satellite and [TS]

00:54:31 ◼   ► turned into this killing machine for but [TS]

00:54:33 ◼   ► for a purpose because omak has an agenda [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► for the satellite has an agenda which [TS]

00:54:37 ◼   ► you don't know what it is but you get [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► there's an agenda and then there's [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► monsters that are bigger than life and [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► destruction and mayhem and a girlfriend [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► who's worried about her hapless office [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► boyfriend who's disappeared during all [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► of this carnage because he's making at [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► night it was a fun kind of light story [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► and faith what about what you guys do [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► you have a recommendation if you could [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► only recommend one comic for somebody to [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► try from the new DC what would it be [TS]

00:55:04 ◼   ► mm that's it is such a tough when I kind [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► of agree that you know might depend on [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► the person [TS]

00:55:11 ◼   ► yes yes but i am asking tough questions [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► you got you got to answer only one [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► you know I mean this is gonna die i [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► really like the the way swamp thing is [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► starting out but i really like Batman to [TS]

00:55:26 ◼   ► i have to pick one you do not Batman [TS]

00:55:27 ◼   ► Aquaman rather I wouldn't put that man [TS]

00:55:29 ◼   ► on they're for the average person I [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► don't miss a swamp think that that's my [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► sleeper [TS]

00:55:36 ◼   ► that's my underdog I didn't even read [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► that one because i am so attached to [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► that Alan Moore run on this one thing so [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► I'm interesting island i'll check it out [TS]

00:55:43 ◼   ► I like hearing positive things about it [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► because I i do love that that character [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► at least as Ellen were kind of [TS]

00:55:49 ◼   ► reinventing him and I i I'm I'm I so I'm [TS]

00:55:52 ◼   ► intrigued now so i will take your advice [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► you should know before you jump in and [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► kind of completely undoes everything [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► eleanor did that's fine i'm expecting [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► there to be dead continuity now which is [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► a that that's ok I'm ok with that faith [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► what about you I probably say batgirl [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► because that's the only one I've read so [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► far where I thought I want to read a [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► good 1i like that when she's not she's [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► not she's not hung up on the Oracle or [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► anything else because she didn't read in [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► the Bible and read that I know about me [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► so you gotta at we're telling you Lisa [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► you should read that girl number one [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► it's good great and you know you get to [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► see the human side of of one of these [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► heroes who is not afraid at least in her [TS]

00:56:31 ◼   ► own personal thoughts and our own [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► personal thoughts to admit to herself [TS]

00:56:35 ◼   ► now I don't know what I'm to what am i [TS]

00:56:38 ◼   ► doing am i doing out here in this outfit [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► ok alright alright have you had I've [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► been press-ganged into submission [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► Oh your baby is also telling you to read [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► back I I speak baby so I can you hear in [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► the background I owe a little bit she [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► says it's delightful [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► I'd ask i'd ask you Lisa but you hope [TS]

00:56:58 ◼   ► you've only read the one right so are [TS]

00:57:00 ◼   ► you gonna are you gonna go out and get a [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► girl number one [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► you know i might read it in the store [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► for I'm I'm quitting the tangents today [TS]

00:57:10 ◼   ► but part of my problem number one is I [TS]

00:57:13 ◼   ► don't want them hanging around the house [TS]

00:57:15 ◼   ► afterwards what I'd rather do is just [TS]

00:57:16 ◼   ► see which book shake out in which ones [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► are going to get trades and by the [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► trades if i'm going to buy and read them [TS]

00:57:21 ◼   ► I don't like being single issues anymore [TS]

00:57:24 ◼   ► which i think is another podcast another [TS]

00:57:26 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► yeah i'm doing i'm i'm doing that but [TS]

00:57:28 ◼   ► I'm doing it all on the ipad now [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► no that's the only single issues i'll [TS]

00:57:32 ◼   ► buy will be on the ipad yeah if if we an [TS]

00:57:35 ◼   ► ipad for non-work related purposes or [TS]

00:57:38 ◼   ► through not work related channels and [TS]

00:57:40 ◼   ► i'll probably start dropping money on [TS]

00:57:42 ◼   ► single issues again but not the physical [TS]

00:57:44 ◼   ► objects now so I've got all my mom would [TS]

00:57:50 ◼   ► you like to start them to me know they [TS]

00:57:53 ◼   ► know because i really like i really like [TS]

00:57:54 ◼   ► having them in me it's great it's great [TS]

00:57:56 ◼   ► to collect and you know I mean I like [TS]

00:57:58 ◼   ► time away from devices in the audience [TS]

00:58:01 ◼   ► should go i believe November they're [TS]

00:58:03 ◼   ► coming out with a hardcover collection [TS]

00:58:04 ◼   ► of every single number you know fifty [TS]

00:58:07 ◼   ► two number ones in one hardcover [TS]

00:58:10 ◼   ► collection that's actually a really [TS]

00:58:11 ◼   ► smart move because I can energize people [TS]

00:58:12 ◼   ► to do the books that would read [TS]

00:58:14 ◼   ► otherwise yeah that's a really good idea [TS]

00:58:17 ◼   ► really good idea and if you can go to [TS]

00:58:19 ◼   ► dance house if you'd like to read them [TS]

00:58:20 ◼   ► now because Dan is keeping the shop [TS]

00:58:22 ◼   ► alive and good for him that's right it [TS]

00:58:24 ◼   ► you're spending time away from devices [TS]

00:58:26 ◼   ► day and I never spend time away from [TS]

00:58:27 ◼   ► devices [TS]

00:58:28 ◼   ► I i fall asleep with my ipad under my [TS]

00:58:31 ◼   ► pillow until you're going to say on your [TS]

00:58:33 ◼   ► far and that my kids on my forehead the [TS]

00:58:36 ◼   ► ipads under the pillow that's how that [TS]

00:58:37 ◼   ► works [TS]

00:58:38 ◼   ► alright well this has been fun we had [TS]

00:58:41 ◼   ► some technical issues but we managed to [TS]

00:58:42 ◼   ► have a conversation anyway which is good [TS]

00:58:45 ◼   ► anyway I until the next time the comic [TS]

00:58:47 ◼   ► book club convenience which I hope is [TS]

00:58:49 ◼   ► soon at i would like to thank my comic [TS]

00:58:52 ◼   ► book club members we all have our [TS]

00:58:53 ◼   ► membership cards new member is [TS]

00:58:55 ◼   ► indoctrinated and indoctrinated inducted [TS]

00:58:58 ◼   ► today you'll you'll receive your up [TS]

00:59:00 ◼   ► hazing ritual later Dan Benjamin and [TS]

00:59:02 ◼   ► faith korpi thank you for being here [TS]

00:59:04 ◼   ► thanks so much for having us yeah thanks [TS]

00:59:06 ◼   ► so much i'm glad it's not normally this [TS]

00:59:10 ◼   ► chaotic and things don't normally break [TS]

00:59:12 ◼   ► this badly he said you know police and [TS]

00:59:15 ◼   ► Jason lecture right sure Jason brightman [TS]

00:59:19 ◼   ► thank you for thank you for for being [TS]

00:59:21 ◼   ► here again and talking about so many [TS]

00:59:24 ◼   ► number ones [TS]

00:59:25 ◼   ► it's always great to be here [TS]

00:59:26 ◼   ► and Lisa Schmeisser from home with with [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► the baby [TS]

00:59:30 ◼   ► thanks for thanks for dialing and I [TS]

00:59:32 ◼   ► really appreciate it I had a great time [TS]

00:59:34 ◼   ► thank you all right until the next [TS]

00:59:36 ◼   ► meeting of the comic book club [TS]

00:59:38 ◼   ► this is jason l for the incomparable [TS]

00:59:40 ◼   ► wishing you farewell [TS]

00:59:51 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► that's the weird [TS]

00:59:58 ◼   ► that's the weird [TS]

01:00:00 ◼   ► sign off I've ever done but you know I [TS]

01:00:01 ◼   ► guess I like that one adios courage to [TS]

01:00:05 ◼   ► help Ryder [TS]