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0:00:12welcome back to the interoperable we
0:00:15have been for this whole season of the
0:00:18BBC's Doctor Who we've been taking time
0:00:21every few weeks to talk about the latest
0:00:22episodes and now we have reached the end
0:00:25the last episodes of this sixth season
0:00:28of the relaunch doctor who have come and
0:00:31gone and so we're going to talk about
0:00:34the last few episodes which we haven't
0:00:36had a chance to chat about yet and also
0:00:37the season as a whole
0:00:40joining me to discuss this well I should
0:00:43say I'm Jason smell the host of the
0:00:44uncomfortable joining me to discuss that
0:00:45this my lovely and talented panelists
0:00:49and Fleischmann hi glen IL a panelist
0:00:52thank you and lovely and or talented
0:00:55John siracusa hi John
0:00:57hello Jason in more'n hello Dan
0:01:00digestion commute to me with all these
0:01:02black tick marks on my arms mean I'll
0:01:05explain later and Scott McNulty welcome
0:01:08to the podcast yet again
0:01:10hello hello also joining me tonight is
0:01:14serenity Caldwell
0:01:15hello hello Jason glad to be here it's
0:01:18good to have you
0:01:19so the season the season is over I know
0:01:22we haven't talked about the last what
0:01:23three episodes though we've got a we've
0:01:27got some of that to talk about the
0:01:28finale aired this past week I guess we
0:01:35have where to where to start I i think i
0:01:36want to start with the finale maybe we
0:01:38can backtrack a little bit back into
0:01:40interesting weekend guess began do this
0:01:43in a non linear sequence of time because
0:01:45times like that I interesting that this
0:01:49was a single episode not a two-part
0:01:52blowout season finale like I've had in
0:01:54the past their wedding of River Song as
0:01:58it was called and i watched it a couple
0:02:01of times there's the first time I
0:02:03watched I I I like parts of it but I was
0:02:06also caught up and sort of what the
0:02:07resolution of the plot was going to be
0:02:09and i watch the second time and actually
0:02:11liked it a great deal more
0:02:13more than I did the first time which is
0:02:14kind of interesting but I didn't think
0:02:17it was kind of a strange episode and I'm
0:02:19just sort of curious to start out what
0:02:22did you guys think of the other finale
0:02:25well I was happy to see the return of my
0:02:27favorite character of course i know it's
0:02:30ridiculous but I like seeing durham i
0:02:32just love that actor and I love the role
0:02:34and it's so ridiculous dorium maldovar
0:02:36anybody get the new jobby the genie from
0:02:39people around show been going there
0:02:41oh look at hi mekka hiney ho yes
0:02:45yeah i was baltimore and he was
0:02:46hilarious even when he was just a head
0:02:48in a box reactor ama to when so it
0:02:51really all right it's true but it was a
0:02:54good thing it will its signal that the
0:02:55thing that signaled i think was that
0:02:56this wasn't going to be a Daleks kill
0:02:59everybody despite how the episode open
0:03:01this was going to be a Daleks kill
0:03:02everybody Cyberman creepy everyone dies
0:03:05the doctor loses a companion horrible
0:03:08sort of thing even though it's about the
0:03:09doctors def it's opens with pretty much
0:03:11I mean shortly and you can pay a crazy
0:03:14game of electric bill electrocution
0:03:17chess and then which was my great
0:03:19benefits great guy out of a Dungeons and
0:03:23Dragons ad from 1973 and and then you
0:03:27get a blue head in a box that speaks a
0:03:30marvelous Sydney Greenstreet toad and so
0:03:32you know this is me more of a lark then
0:03:34something that makes you freaked out and
0:03:36so I mean you know you can't contrast
0:03:38that with the episodes in which which I
0:03:41think all involve Daleks or something
0:03:42like in which stated tenants
0:03:43regeneration happened the season finales
0:03:46in different seasons the ones where our
0:03:48favorite where Donna Noble gets sort of
0:03:50her memory wiped and it's like this is a
0:03:52different kind of thing I would say well
0:03:54it's interesting that Steven Moffat i
0:03:56think is deliberate you know he's very
0:03:57carefully established his own continuity
0:04:00and his own story lines going out and i
0:04:02think in a way that you know Russell T
0:04:04Davies with the first few seasons he
0:04:06very much tried to bring back or build
0:04:08on all the pre-existing mythology so
0:04:11hence we having you know these climax is
0:04:13that involve Daleks and Cyberman and
0:04:15stuff that you know where were
0:04:16long-running pieces of the Doctor Who
0:04:19mythology and now we have this
0:04:20interesting you know continuity that
0:04:23that Steven Moffat has created
0:04:25and I was thinking that the the
0:04:27beginning at least of this finale
0:04:29reminded me a lot of the episode 2 which
0:04:32is kind of a spiritual successor which
0:04:33is a good man goes to war the
0:04:34half-season cliffhanger has the same
0:04:37sort of pacing in that beginning right
0:04:38where he's going to all these different
0:04:39places and sort of recruiting you know
0:04:43different people and different seeing
0:04:46different parts of his life and talking
0:04:48about different people he's known and
0:04:50there are a few references thrown in of
0:04:51course to the prior continuity as well
0:04:53but they're not the centerpiece right
0:04:55there's the sort of garnishing on this
0:04:57story that we've been following this
0:04:58entire season which is you know the
0:05:00doctors death and so I think that it's
0:05:02very it was it was a nice one it was a
0:05:05nice conclusion or is a nice piece of
0:05:07this our kinetic it pays homage to all
0:05:09the stuff that came before it without
0:05:11while not making that the like raison
0:05:13d'etre for this episode let's let's
0:05:15reread resurrect yet another classic
0:05:18Doctor Who enemy i say that Scott what
0:05:21about you
0:05:22well I thought that you know everyone
0:05:25you're watching this episode and you
0:05:26know the doctor is not going to die at
0:05:28the end so that kind of takes the whole
0:05:30dramatic force from the episode does a
0:05:33letter is it is it is it will you want
0:05:35to see how he does it the right like
0:05:37that's the thing with the doctor right
0:05:38make it so obvious within like the first
0:05:4010 minutes of how he's going to do it
0:05:41they might as well have just winked and
0:05:44when he said when the guy said if
0:05:45there's anything else we could do for
0:05:47you are you doing good for you because I
0:05:49didn't buy it and I had I was still on
0:05:52my theory of the flesh from you know
0:05:54earlier this month and watch dr. are
0:05:57being distracted by here earlier
0:05:58theories because that was really
0:06:00telegraphed you think so i don't i don't
0:06:03think so i wouldn't happen I turned to
0:06:05my wife and I said well there goes the
0:06:07flesh theory
0:06:08well no that was my problem still in the
0:06:10context of the episode is I think this
0:06:12is a felony or but the doctor has
0:06:14regeneration energy they showed it
0:06:16clearly so how did the robot ever
0:06:17created it
0:06:18I mean I thought about a regenerate I
0:06:19thought about god I mean I guess so
0:06:22special effects people on Doctor Who and
0:06:24the year 2011 can fake it so what would
0:06:27enter the what content you like to be
0:06:29able to get all those ago
0:06:31what can a robot yes to go ahead Scott
0:06:33sorry i just wanted to you know I I
0:06:35didn't I I didn't see that one coming i
0:06:38guess because I was so far into so many
0:06:41other different theories that I think it
0:06:44was right in front of me I just had
0:06:45never considered that was going to be
0:06:46about the way out anyway go ahead
0:06:48well I had no theory so you know I
0:06:51wonder how he's gonna do it and then I
0:06:53that wonder went away almost immediately
0:06:55and I was like well okay that was my
0:06:58disappointed acknowledgement of how it
0:07:00was going to do it but I mean it was a
0:07:02fun episode but I don't know it just
0:07:04kind of the whole i think the the
0:07:07dramatic it lacked gravitas i guess or
0:07:10something for me I I just didn't see the
0:07:12point of it because i already knew how
0:07:14he was he was not going to die so
0:07:15there's no point in I didn't know part
0:07:18of the episode was because it just
0:07:19seemed to make the whole arc bring a
0:07:21little hollow for me
0:07:23alright John how about you think you
0:07:26guys know my usual complain about dr.
0:07:28with that they they can't agree on the
0:07:30rules of the universe and they like to
0:07:31play fast and loose with everything went
0:07:33just fine whatever is what they want to
0:07:34do i but they made this finale hinge on
0:07:40these poorly defined universe rules
0:07:42because like the whole season maybe
0:07:43after always going to die it's a fixed
0:07:44point it's a fixed point supposed to
0:07:46mean anything you could you put
0:07:47substitute to other words for fixed
0:07:49point it would be equally meaningful to
0:07:51the degree that they explained it so
0:07:52they're very adamant that like all you
0:07:54can't you know this is for some reason
0:07:56the script
0:07:57this is a fixed point and we can't
0:07:59change this once you're gonna die even
0:08:01though you have a time machine your
0:08:02all-powerful blood is accepted and of
0:08:04course this episode the turn in this
0:08:07episode is guess what it's not really a
0:08:10fixed point because river song and
0:08:11freeze time and then time will be
0:08:13destroyed in blood but look I don't know
0:08:16I just do that doesn't bother me because
0:08:18the whole life I think the whole idea
0:08:19there is that fixed point means you
0:08:21can't change it and the answer is well
0:08:22what happens if you try and the answer
0:08:24is bad things happen it doesn't work
0:08:27they change it he doesn't die will know
0:08:30they don't change it don't change he's
0:08:32there he does all the things that
0:08:33happened were supposed to happen no
0:08:35one's checking his pulse
0:08:36I considered it a cheat but if that's
0:08:39what always where I don't know that's
0:08:41what always happens though I mean are
0:08:42you arguing that there's a time thing
0:08:44I don't think it's the central point of
0:08:45the phone anyways right in the central
0:08:47point the episode about that like the
0:08:48choices in the characters and though the
0:08:50what their decisions are making no but I
0:08:52then don't hang your episode I don't
0:08:54care that you have poorly defined
0:08:55universe rules if you don't try to hang
0:08:58your plot points off of those poorly
0:08:59defined rules like you're gonna probably
0:09:00define use let them not get in the way
0:09:02of your plot but don't make them the
0:09:04cornerstone of your plot I mean
0:09:05presumably there will be another season
0:09:06of the show with matt smith and
0:09:08presumably the rest of the universe
0:09:09realize hot that dr. that we thought we
0:09:11killed like he's alive time you know
0:09:13time this is already all happened it's
0:09:14not like we're not sequential and but
0:09:16here we are with the records of the
0:09:18University the doctor died but clearly
0:09:19didn't die some robot thing that he was
0:09:21inside got blown up but he's fine
0:09:23no no but that that implies a certain
0:09:25superposition knowledge that which is
0:09:27that it's never I think the mythology
0:09:29the show there's an issue about how much
0:09:31she's perceiving time sequentially
0:09:33although he supposedly has something
0:09:34extra special knowledge of its own
0:09:36timeline sequential as is and is
0:09:38necessary access is often sequential
0:09:41across how he hops and for other people
0:09:44to know that he's dead like he's not
0:09:45dead in the university's not removed
0:09:47from the universe as with the previous
0:09:49season thing it's not like he's been
0:09:51erased it's more like at some point the
0:09:54doctor dies here's the date of his death
0:09:55but they don't exactly the ones keeping
0:09:57track of precisely what point the
0:09:59timeline is I think that's consistent
0:10:00because we got the doctor of course is
0:10:02dying across all in time and space all
0:10:04the time in various incarnations and no
0:10:06one makes a big deal about the Tom Baker
0:10:07i have many more complaints about this
0:10:09episode we do have a list of grievances
0:10:13you would like to know i do so that
0:10:15complaint i'm gonna i'm going to reject
0:10:17that complaint because i think i think i
0:10:20really get any incorrect sir you know
0:10:23you're saying well but he didn't die and
0:10:25that the whole point of the fixed point
0:10:26in time is is you can't change it and so
0:10:29how what would happen if you tried me
0:10:31answer is you would destroy everything
0:10:33in the fabric of the universe and start
0:10:34to come apart and that's what he tells
0:10:36rivers you gotta do this you know you
0:10:38cannot do this this is a fixed point
0:10:40that its a cheat in the sense that the
0:10:43obvious one which is of course he's not
0:10:44gonna die
0:10:45there's going to be some way where he
0:10:46gets out of it but she still shoots him
0:10:48they still put his body on the thing and
0:10:50put the gasoline on and so on fire and
0:10:52cast adrift in the lake
0:10:54the only difference is now we know that
0:10:55it's the test selector and he
0:10:57no and he's inside and it doesn't even
0:10:59affect the thing so there's a cheap
0:11:01there but it's not easy to the to the
0:11:02rules of the universe i think i think
0:11:04that yeah i think its faithful so that I
0:11:05think they would not have records been
0:11:07dying here is that I could have made it
0:11:08not a cheap don't show that don't show
0:11:10that someone in the universe thinks that
0:11:12this is the time that the doctor died
0:11:13not these events happened but this is
0:11:15the time the doctor that they never
0:11:16showed that I don't think there was a
0:11:17reason to show that because we have the
0:11:18audience believe he died he gets lit on
0:11:21fire everyone could talk about him dying
0:11:22don't have the all-knowing we are the
0:11:24police of time and we go inside this
0:11:26little robots people don't have them
0:11:27have a record in their official files of
0:11:29him dying because it but there's no
0:11:30point in that and it undercuts there I
0:11:32mean what if they were complicit
0:11:33what if they agreed to keep you
0:11:34obviously they were right they agreed to
0:11:36keep it secret and create that this is
0:11:38this is why not a doctor faking faking
0:11:40his death essentially because everybody
0:11:42wants him dead so that he and and go
0:11:45back in the shadows like he says and I i
0:11:47don't think i also don't agree that this
0:11:49is something that next year you're gonna
0:11:51see that this continuing sort of the way
0:11:53that it's always been I think this is
0:11:55going to be a part of the recurring
0:11:57storyline is that he's trying to keep a
0:12:00low profile and not be famous and I
0:12:01think this is also Steven Moffat rain
0:12:03undo some of the russell davies stuff of
0:12:05he's the oncoming storm everybody knows
0:12:07him he can just say stop and everybody
0:12:10stops because they're afraid of him
0:12:12I think I think this is actually also a
0:12:15way for them to try to get back to
0:12:16stories where he's not famous basic
0:12:19laying around and they also they reset
0:12:21the clock he's now 200 years older and
0:12:23they're playing a molder matt smith i
0:12:24mean i don't think that's a subtle thing
0:12:25in the episode previous episode with our
0:12:29friend Craig which I'm blanking on the
0:12:31name of ready the closing time closing
0:12:33time a closing time he comes in and he
0:12:36is clearly world where he's older he's
0:12:38doing his valedictory thing he's not the
0:12:41david tennant doctor who spent a hundred
0:12:43years running around 40 with Queen
0:12:45Elizabeth and being hedonistic after the
0:12:47water of mars bars
0:12:48this is a different doctor is more
0:12:50serious and he's 20 years older and I
0:12:52mean I think that is part of resetting
0:12:54the universe is that you have a doctors
0:12:55now like I've done that I'm sick of that
0:12:57almost destroyed the universe again and
0:13:00so there's a point at which the you know
0:13:02if they've also given us they seated the
0:13:04next plot point which are the fields of
0:13:06trenzalore
0:13:08and at some point that's going to you
0:13:10know come up i don't think that's a the
0:13:12outside of the mythology and when we get
0:13:15to that it will be you know another
0:13:17season resolution and in that
0:13:18intervening time the doctors gonna be
0:13:20trying to keep his mouth shut and we'll
0:13:22see what happens now is my other problem
0:13:24with this episode story and the the
0:13:26question the oldest question known in
0:13:28the universe is Doctor Who yeah sorry
0:13:32900 years old you know it was dr. what
0:13:34happened is time machine is been back to
0:13:38the beginning you know remember when
0:13:39they went back and riverside message
0:13:42hello sweetie as silly as that is i also
0:13:45don't mind it because it is it for me it
0:13:48works on a on the metal level of in the
0:13:50fact that it ends with him kind of
0:13:51walking through the dark passageway with
0:13:53Dorian's uh head shopping Doctor Who
0:13:57Doctor Who and he smiles of natural I
0:14:00mean that's that you know that because
0:14:03it is the whole suggestion that his name
0:14:05and who he really is is relevant in some
0:14:08way and that that that is it was said
0:14:10actually in a line that i missed the
0:14:12first time I watched the episode that
0:14:13that the whole idea here is that that is
0:14:15something that once it said you know
0:14:17these things happen and that's what the
0:14:19silence is trying to stop by killing him
0:14:21and the funny thing now is that you know
0:14:23the silence thinks they've succeeded but
0:14:25they obviously have it now before we go
0:14:28back to John's list of grievances I want
0:14:30to ask serenity Caldwell what she
0:14:33thought of the season finale
0:14:36you know I actually I i liked it i was
0:14:41very entertained
0:14:42uh I'm frustrated that we have to wait a
0:14:44while to find out what comes next but I
0:14:46thought it was you know in comparison to
0:14:48the last sort of half part season finale
0:14:51good man goes to war
0:14:52I actually think i prefer this one
0:14:55whereas good man goes to war was very
0:14:57hectic and very very much i felt like oh
0:14:59god everything's happening at once and
0:15:01wait wait new characters and and and
0:15:05people and everything that happens at
0:15:07once in this episode that all his
0:15:08already happened I want but it's calmer
0:15:10literally as opposed to figuratively
0:15:13yes exactly everything literally happens
0:15:15at once in this episode and yet it was
0:15:17easier to swallow because you knew from
0:15:20the start when they introduced car
0:15:22is flying in Devlin's and and
0:15:24pterodactyls and you're like okay this
0:15:26is obviously something is going wrong
0:15:29and they will explain it to us shortly
0:15:31which they did but the actual but i felt
0:15:33the pacing was much I liked the idea of
0:15:35the doctor basically going around in the
0:15:37beginning of us and and going to various
0:15:40things and be like oh yeah I'm going to
0:15:41I'm going to tie up my loose ends told
0:15:43in flashback narrative which I actually
0:15:45think i like the best words you know you
0:15:47have that you have that wonderful trope
0:15:49of the soothsayer telling this story to
0:15:51the to the king more to the religious
0:15:53leaders it was really cool to see them
0:15:55twist and play on that and then having
0:15:57the Cabal of silence creatures to be
0:16:01what do we have a name for them other
0:16:03than silence creatures
0:16:04yeah there's a silent silent part of the
0:16:06silence yeah I'm was happy i think i
0:16:09like corpulent actors to some always
0:16:10happy to see in mcneese was a great
0:16:12character on the british TV chef I love
0:16:14him as Winston Churchill every time he
0:16:16appears i'm like all good corpulent two
0:16:18actors so John there's another two words
0:16:20so what we'll say it will say it this
0:16:21way that's always on the lake dr that's
0:16:25a corpulent actor in time and space can
0:16:28change it works I thought I thought that
0:16:33seemed with the two of them was was
0:16:34delightful with the weather where
0:16:36they're fighting off the silence but
0:16:37don't realize it
0:16:38yes it appears that we are fighting
0:16:40something why do I have a gun that's no
0:16:43I like that narrative device and I i
0:16:46think there have been times when when
0:16:47Marquez has played a little too cute
0:16:49with the with his his narrative devices
0:16:53but in this case I actually enjoyed the
0:16:55whole Churchill and the doctor met him
0:16:58sort of backing through the story and
0:17:00occasionally interrupting for you know a
0:17:02moment of sunshine as long as it's just
0:17:05a few of them
0:17:06yeah yeah that was that and then they
0:17:09look up where did you get the pen that's
0:17:11my question
0:17:13nobody always have markers on them and
0:17:15again oh yeah we have no other numbering
0:17:17system other than actually not a new
0:17:19thing that bothered me the most was this
0:17:21binary was the fact that so he doesn't
0:17:25in fact tell her his name when he
0:17:28whispers in writer and yet when we first
0:17:31met rivers on she tells him understand
0:17:34it's it's later i was presenting
0:17:36presumably at some point in the future
0:17:38he will yes it was
0:17:40yeah but I thought it would be funny if
0:17:42in fact she had she had just told him at
0:17:45that point
0:17:46look in my eyes I think that that would
0:17:49be funny maybe that is his name
0:17:51I think the whole you know she's going
0:17:53to the silence will fall when the
0:17:54question is answered I mean he is going
0:17:56to say it and he's gonna that's gonna be
0:17:58his name and she's going to hear it
0:17:59don't have we're going to know his name
0:18:02and that's dr who that's just out of
0:18:03sequence but you know what my wife and I
0:18:06were talking about this because she
0:18:07liked the episode and and she won't be
0:18:10on the podcast so she sends her regards
0:18:11but uh huh
0:18:13she and i were talking about it what I
0:18:14said was I feel like I feel like this
0:18:19didn't provide me with all of the kind
0:18:21of logical resolution i would like from
0:18:23from a finale but it did provide me much
0:18:27like last year actually with an
0:18:28emotional resolution I felt I felt like
0:18:30you know the things that mattered to me
0:18:33in terms of the storytelling and the
0:18:35characters were all kind of ticked off
0:18:38at the end I was like yes yes that
0:18:40that's all good and I can I can grow for
0:18:43you know plot things like why you know
0:18:47why build uh Apollo space suit and
0:18:50deploy it to kill somebody in the water
0:18:52in 2011 and i don't know why that is why
0:18:56did the TARDIS blow up last season the
0:18:58are we ever going to hear that it was
0:18:59are we just gonna forget about that
0:19:01because it's it was so long ago now that
0:19:03doesn't even remember that it happened
0:19:05you know stuff like that it was
0:19:07unsatisfying in a way but the stuff that
0:19:09you know about the characters and all
0:19:11that were much more satisfying
0:19:13I i think there's a great thing to those
0:19:15that we have to enjoy the day this is
0:19:18satisfying is when the silence this
0:19:21reminds me of the the thing they say
0:19:22Rory they're like
0:19:24Laurey Williams who dies oh yeah and i'm
0:19:29like somebody doesn't die
0:19:32yeah this is the comic relief in the in
0:19:34the two-parter i'm blanking on the name
0:19:36of the Daleks steal the earth in the
0:19:38diver assistant wonderful story Thank
0:19:40You and and the prime minister says I'm
0:19:43what's-her-name Harriet Jones Ontario
0:19:46Ontario who you however yes he asked me
0:19:49now oh you are the best comic relief
0:19:52moment the silence since that moment
0:19:54also we got it we got on Pont Amelia
0:19:57part this time which was great and i
0:19:59will say just to just to point this out
0:20:01and I'll see if the gentleman on the
0:20:02panel agree with me
0:20:03looks great and I had any problem
0:20:05looking about as good as ever look 100
0:20:08not occur
0:20:09yeah and like the eyepatch III taking
0:20:13off and she's very nicely put on all her
0:20:16makeup under her eye patch
0:20:18even though she was presumably thinking
0:20:20if if you see under my eye black world
0:20:22bed and everything she's a mean she's a
0:20:24model right he's gotta think she's
0:20:26always thinking she's always prepared
0:20:28that's right Scott you know anything
0:20:30about my eye I loved it I loved the the
0:20:33rapport between her and roy i love the
0:20:35the drawing of him with the doctor
0:20:38tracking up about it
0:20:40that was great i love the after she
0:20:42saves Rory we should have a drink
0:20:44sometime and get married yeah okay
0:20:46no the moment I mean that's the other
0:20:48thing about this episode is the moments
0:20:50in this episode we're all at I think
0:20:51great
0:20:52I i think the only the only moment that
0:20:55I don't that doesn't work for me is the
0:20:58wedding on the roof of the pyramids lord
0:21:02why was it necessary and yeah yeah they
0:21:06don't really mean that
0:21:07what is she some help for this universe
0:21:09but they didn't do anything except send
0:21:10text messages to the Sun they will miss
0:21:13you could buy btdub would love to be
0:21:16there and busy sorry yeah
0:21:18dr. we send our best thanks for
0:21:21everything good luck would also die a
0:21:23happy death they love everyone everyone
0:21:26that there is one doctor who is point i
0:21:29mean the point was river trying to show
0:21:31him how important he was in that letter
0:21:33just walk into this and I tried all your
0:21:36friends don't want to help
0:21:37cute but you're really important the
0:21:39entire universe is almost completely
0:21:40destroyed because of a misunderstanding
0:21:41right because it's really the doctor
0:21:43saying referred no seriously go ahead
0:21:44and kill me seriously
0:21:46alright I'll tight go ahead it's telling
0:21:49me true she's being very immature in
0:21:52this section and I think it's funny
0:21:53because I think he keeps on trying to
0:21:55tell her you know he's like I'm
0:21:56disappointed in you this was a bad idea
0:21:58and she keeps on looking at him with
0:22:00lovey-dovey eyes and look I did this
0:22:02also yes River this is younger river so
0:22:04yeah I know they did that well when
0:22:06she's with her parents and she's acting
0:22:08like she's about 14 years old at the end
0:22:10and I thought oh she's pitching this
0:22:12just right
0:22:13she's acting like a teenager she may be
0:22:14in a 40 something year old woman's body
0:22:16but she's she's perfectly like mom daddy
0:22:19mommy's a drink
0:22:20how great was that the realization for a
0:22:23me that she's the doctors mother-in-law
0:22:25nothing else and weather for the wedding
0:22:27fallout with a moment all right like
0:22:29that's the way down her face
0:22:33yeah but I mean I feel like the doctor
0:22:35kind of had to marry hurt get her to
0:22:38agree to do anything which was a weird
0:22:41kind of it was a weird plot device
0:22:43that's how i got married but oh so much
0:22:46haha ah but the universe is ok it was
0:22:49worth it
0:22:50we're not really married the right
0:22:51because it isn't was there an old
0:22:53handsome man wife
0:22:54that's right isn't a bad wife I find the
0:22:56whole time lord things you have to tell
0:22:58your name and he didn't do that
0:23:00so which is funny because I i read
0:23:02somewhere that someone complaining about
0:23:03the fact that well you know she's trying
0:23:06to do river justifies a me not being a
0:23:08murderer because it was in a different
0:23:09timeline that never happened yet she
0:23:10still claims she's married however I
0:23:12think agreeing with Glen's point agree
0:23:15with Glen's point that she's you know
0:23:16this is not that there's nothing wrong
0:23:18with that like right of course it's
0:23:20irrational i think it's it's willfully
0:23:21irrational because she is a teenager
0:23:23it's like wow yeah okay but the things
0:23:25that matter are still true
0:23:27I get to kiss him and John before we
0:23:30move on talking about the rest of the
0:23:32season and the other couple of episodes
0:23:33would you like to unload a few more of
0:23:35here at think that utilizes rapid-fire
0:23:37like like your fire machine-gun a bunch
0:23:39of cider I tradition court ones so the
0:23:42wedding ceremony we just discussed
0:23:44yeah they have the scene where she's
0:23:46very like you know the whole universe
0:23:47can be destroyed as it were that
0:23:49whatever her
0:23:50our ultimatum thing and she goes yeah
0:23:51yes it is like we have like don't read
0:23:54previously they had they had river in
0:23:57their relationship kind of like there
0:23:59was this unseen depth roads all off
0:24:00camera we didn't know we had been privy
0:24:03to this information you know that we
0:24:04knew they met each other and they have
0:24:05this romance or something we never saw
0:24:07it but at this point we've seen them
0:24:08interact so many different stages in the
0:24:10timeline that and I was still not sold
0:24:12on this great love the worst also yes
0:24:14they have the conjugal visits in jail
0:24:15repeatedly or whatever you know that
0:24:17they hinted at there's still stuff off
0:24:18camera that we're not seeing the when
0:24:20did this relationship formed between
0:24:21them that's romantic
0:24:23I get more of a romantic vibe from from
0:24:25Rory and Amy than I do from those not
0:24:26that I'm saying that there they did a
0:24:27bad job or wasn't scripted but you can't
0:24:29sell the season ending in a moment on I
0:24:33love you so much I want to destroy the
0:24:35universe well sorry you didn't you
0:24:37didn't convince me of that I didn't get
0:24:39in find well it's an obsession isn't it
0:24:41it's I mean she's been indoctrinated
0:24:43basically right now
0:24:45uh-huh she's been indoctrinated to kill
0:24:48the doctor and then it swaps over
0:24:50basically once he frees her in my
0:24:52apologies that was an inadvertent yes I
0:24:55thought they were trying to pay more
0:24:57sincere than that but I don't know so
0:24:58that that ever did not ring true for me
0:25:01also where she had a sequence of the
0:25:02relationship right i think it's early so
0:25:04she's sort of maybe they're gonna grow
0:25:06in that relationship is always off
0:25:08camera we never get to see that romance
0:25:10just always assumed to be happening
0:25:12we may see it in the future when you're
0:25:13not gonna have a full episode of ramen
0:25:16like really but they had a false two
0:25:18full seasons of already got the doctor's
0:25:20wife was as close as we got that I I
0:25:22wouldn't i mean i-i other than the fact
0:25:25that I don't think alex kingston was
0:25:27interested because she's got up
0:25:28she's got a daughter in the u.s. you
0:25:31know they get big and put her in the
0:25:33show for a year and then be like see ya
0:25:35now we'll get those adventures but i
0:25:36don't think they ever will I think she
0:25:38will always this is what river song is
0:25:40made for she pops in and and there's a
0:25:42lot of stuff that sort of off-camera
0:25:43that you just have to take on faith and
0:25:45all right John
0:25:46what else what else you got for us so
0:25:48usually they have at the end of the
0:25:50season they like to put the universe or
0:25:51at the very least the earth in peril
0:25:53that's the thing right
0:25:54yeah and this new thing so this time I
0:25:57thought it was an interesting idea to
0:25:58say we're going to put the doctor in
0:26:01peril is not the universe is not the
0:26:02earth is just the doctor
0:26:03the personal story about him it's his
0:26:05crisis right they still have to go on to
0:26:08say like well it's not just dr. because
0:26:09the doctor goes away that puts the
0:26:11universe in peril because the universe
0:26:12needs the doctor can't they just have it
0:26:14as a nice season about him personally
0:26:16that's not enough at stake of a I I
0:26:19thought they'd waffled on I i hear ya I
0:26:20hear you on that uh and that actually
0:26:23something that I thought which is it's
0:26:24actually similar structure the last
0:26:26season's finale where there's kind of an
0:26:27alternate universe that's created
0:26:29because weird time things and people are
0:26:31in there and then it has to get fixed
0:26:33that the difference though this time
0:26:35which i thought was funny and there's a
0:26:36nice moment where this comes up is we're
0:26:39talking about what's wrong and the
0:26:41doctor says it's because i'm alive so
0:26:44the universe is broken now because he
0:26:46hasn't died not because he has and
0:26:49that's that's a nice twist because
0:26:50you're right they have many times
0:26:52they've done be you know we've got to
0:26:54say the doctor to save the universe and
0:26:56now it's like know you've gotta kill the
0:26:57doctor and they probably could have done
0:26:59more with that right i mean he you know
0:27:03they're there but you know it make sure
0:27:05they could have gone a different way
0:27:06with it but but I did think that was
0:27:08interesting even though it did seem a
0:27:09little bit reminiscent of the Big Bang
0:27:11from last year with the whole alternate
0:27:13history thing it was nice eternal
0:27:15stickers again now plugging his book on
0:27:17the BBC morning you know Meredith Vieira
0:27:20years obviously people while she was she
0:27:23was there with the today show and they
0:27:25did like a thing from the set and so
0:27:26they put her in the episode
0:27:27apparently that's the same way we don't
0:27:29know who these British celebrities are
0:27:30they don't know who are right the guys
0:27:32interviewing Charles Dickens reason and
0:27:33that is a great segue into closing time
0:27:37the previous episode which yours James
0:27:39Corden back is Craig from the larger
0:27:42which is one of my favorite episodes of
0:27:44last season and my understanding see
0:27:46where a bunch of Americans here
0:27:48my understanding is that James Corden
0:27:50who's got a famous popular sitcom i
0:27:53guess in the UK and lots of people
0:27:55really hate him at because they don't
0:27:57like a show animal and i have no idea
0:27:59what else he's done but I love him and
0:28:02the as craig and the rapport with with
0:28:05Matt's miss delightful this whole
0:28:07episode was delightful is a delight
0:28:09oh he's so adorable and it shows once
0:28:12again that the Cyberman are the worst
0:28:13villains and Doctor Who and they know
0:28:15we're not around and they know it right
0:28:17i mean that's the thing about this
0:28:19episode is that it's like well we got a
0:28:21comedy episode we Cybermen kinda looks
0:28:23scary but they're useless so we'll just
0:28:26have to be useless like all right I
0:28:28guess you mean the scariest villain in
0:28:29the episode was the little like
0:28:30cyber-render what is happening with the
0:28:33matter rat with you real mouth poorly
0:28:38composited real mouth i like to call him
0:28:40buddy yeah yeah yeah this whole episode
0:28:42was great that the doctor's report with
0:28:44Craig is awesome i love the first scene
0:28:47with I'm back
0:28:48you've redecorated i see i don't like it
0:28:50we moved into a new house the previous
0:28:54pitch up at the picture fantasy league
0:28:55pitch episode I've got to say there's
0:28:57parts of this is like the doctor and
0:28:59Craig they live together and become you
0:29:01know it's like it's like you're seeing
0:29:03like a sitcom I could do a 20-minute
0:29:04version of this every week fighting
0:29:07pantomime villain that would be an
0:29:08enjoyable said come to watch I have to
0:29:10admit we called the pantomime doctor I
0:29:12speak baby by the way right that will
0:29:15finish today little black yeah there was
0:29:17a man that wasn't mentioned it earlier i
0:29:19can remember when but I suppose it's now
0:29:21the pond right now melody pond right in
0:29:23a good man goes to work right right
0:29:25right for me i don't know that i love
0:29:27the I love the shape
0:29:29Shh oh yeah sure another life for ya
0:29:32you know what I mean no no not all of
0:29:35them just certain ones i mean i like
0:29:37that it works on Craig in particular
0:29:38right just once but it doesn't really
0:29:40work for bunch of time I love actually
0:29:42one of the things I love about I see
0:29:43that episode where the get a sci-fi plot
0:29:45is really not necessary it's their door
0:29:49aspects of gather have to this right is
0:29:51there to be there but some of the it's
0:29:54just funny and sweet and there's some
0:29:55moments that are really nice and i like
0:29:57i love the fact that the doctor gets a
0:29:59job at the department store employee and
0:30:01also lined up with the name tag that
0:30:02says the doctors don't I asked the
0:30:04doctor because that people buy but uh
0:30:06that everybody who works at the
0:30:08department store loves him and this is
0:30:10why don't you let you know your five
0:30:13they would
0:30:14it's like how does he do that with this
0:30:15power rake trying to get information was
0:30:18just the funniest because you could see
0:30:20he was being very earnest but at the
0:30:22same time so creepy
0:30:24look at my baby isn't keeping you every
0:30:26time I picture this episode of my mind I
0:30:28see Andy Richter instead of whoever this
0:30:29probably could do it in two
0:30:32interchangeable I've mapped i have
0:30:34mapped in American celebrity on that
0:30:35he's a little more sad sack then it than
0:30:37any rare but yes I can't get that image
0:30:40out of my head
0:30:41thanks John it and this is a case where
0:30:45I'm not gonna complain about the stupid
0:30:46Cyberman plot because it was so clearly
0:30:48not important to the episode in fact i
0:30:51would have liked it if they remove that
0:30:53plot you're not going to complain about
0:30:54the fact that the doctor says the ship
0:30:56is containing the explosion when they
0:30:58clearly show the explosion happening
0:30:59outside the show back that I think
0:31:01there's a ship or why was it done there
0:31:03it's just buried in material and save
0:31:07was power a well-loved and there's also
0:31:10some kind of love this is cute
0:31:11this is acually the business in the
0:31:13subsidy yeah maybe saved by love I what
0:31:16I like about that and it's something the
0:31:17doctor who has done going back to that
0:31:19first episode of the reboot with the how
0:31:22do we kill them being a living plastic
0:31:23well you just use anti plastic that this
0:31:26was like that where the doctor says well
0:31:29no you didn't really say from with love
0:31:31their it's very it's much more technical
0:31:34and yeah nevermind yeah sure you save
0:31:36him with love I love that because it's
0:31:38it's the show say it's really not
0:31:40important
0:31:41it sure
0:31:42just yes it was loved one hour it goes
0:31:45back to this whole Steven Moffat run
0:31:47being more of a fairy tale than
0:31:48scientific right right
0:31:50the logic is not as important or the
0:31:52science-fiction aspects are not as
0:31:54important as they were in previous
0:31:56iterations for sure everyone and I like
0:31:59that I like that in fact as John said
0:32:01cyber better in it you know the ship
0:32:04kinda looks cool and they got to reuse
0:32:06the set i think from a good man goes to
0:32:08war right and just dirty it up and and
0:32:11they're pointless and so there you there
0:32:14used his assessment is there's the funny
0:32:16they get the funny scene where he has
0:32:18Craig not turn around because they have
0:32:20teleported out of the elevator and into
0:32:22the cyber ship and lets you know that
0:32:24he's really good that's what their yeah
0:32:26that's a good use of the cyber bullying
0:32:28cranks interested that's the great part
0:32:29Craig is tempted
0:32:30he's like really well no I can't take it
0:32:33that you have been a doctor was awesome
0:32:36but no it wasn't all that surprised
0:32:39um I thought the biggest problems
0:32:40episode is really night terrors was it
0:32:43which we all sort of wonder if we all
0:32:44hate it i did not like night terrors
0:32:45very much i was what i was the only
0:32:47defender yeah yeah I sort of liked it it
0:32:50had but it was like it was about 10
0:32:51minutes of a longer episode that they
0:32:53ran to 44 in this case you have the
0:32:55closing time was probably the complete
0:32:57realization of it three-dimensional
0:32:58characters you care about the baby you
0:33:00care about Craig there's a laughable
0:33:02threat but it's still Craig has to
0:33:04defend himself yesterday you know be a
0:33:07father and step into the role and so
0:33:09forth and it was very very funny too
0:33:11I had one issue with this episode and
0:33:13yes it was I thought the the idea you
0:33:16could have been in the Craig role to III
0:33:19do i am a husky fellow so i could have
0:33:21stepped in
0:33:22should-should no one else to be
0:33:24available but how do you work anywhere
0:33:27baby you should through I very carefully
0:33:33exactly i don't think i get Alicia slide
0:33:35I thought the the so was only like you
0:33:37know a minute but of having Amy and Rory
0:33:39in the department store and then having
0:33:41apparently a me being the spokesperson
0:33:43for perfume or was there you go that's
0:33:46petrichor just a little bit
0:33:49that's very nice that was unneeded
0:33:50unnecessary what I well what I liked
0:33:53about it is that is that the doctor sees
0:33:55them he's
0:33:55wants to talk to them and he had made
0:33:58the decision to not not see them and
0:34:01it's obviously been years two and he he
0:34:04turns away and doesn't see them and I I
0:34:07kind of liked that it was strange to
0:34:09have it in that episode but given that
0:34:10it's the one episode where we don't have
0:34:12Amy and Rory and it was strategic oh
0:34:14there they are and they're getting on
0:34:17with their lives and he's just gonna
0:34:18back away
0:34:20I i think that expected aspect of it
0:34:22didn't catch me you know yeah which was
0:34:24kind of interesting and she's signing an
0:34:25autograph why is she signing an
0:34:27autograph
0:34:27no she's and then we see this you know I
0:34:31kind of I kind of liked it only because
0:34:34we do drop them off in the with the
0:34:36previous episode and it's nice to have a
0:34:39little bit of call back there and see a
0:34:41they're doing ok without him and I think
0:34:43that's the real sort of book plz it's a
0:34:46it's a positive thing and a blow at the
0:34:48same time because he doesn't he wants to
0:34:49start and walk over to them and then
0:34:52then he stops when he sees the autograph
0:34:54and he stops when he sees no she's doing
0:34:57well and oh they're happy and maybe I
0:34:59shouldn't interfere and it's part of
0:35:00this whole continuum we're starting with
0:35:02the previous episode where he drops them
0:35:04off and then going through this going
0:35:05through stuff with Craig you know and
0:35:07realizing you know this is he's coming
0:35:10to the end of this road and then the
0:35:11stuff in the beginning of the final
0:35:14finale where not only does he talk sort
0:35:16of about going to visit everybody you
0:35:18know but he also he calls up the the
0:35:21Brigadier short huh yeah they get that
0:35:25tip of the head into the fact that the
0:35:27actor passed away earlier this year and
0:35:29but that's sort of what tips them over
0:35:30the edge where he starts to realize you
0:35:33know I think and I think there's a
0:35:34continuum there right he he did leave
0:35:35these people behind for a reason right
0:35:38that will I'm sure get into in a moment
0:35:40but it and this is all played into his
0:35:43decision to go you know to go through
0:35:47with this whole plan that he has I think
0:35:49we all have positive feelings about
0:35:51about closing time it was not a
0:35:52complaint and I want to have a complaint
0:35:54ok go for it oh no one complained
0:35:57perhaps Oh John don't squander it so
0:35:59this is like a lot more of a meta
0:36:00complaint with this episode when it
0:36:02started I thought oh this is going to be
0:36:04an episode about Craig kinda like how
0:36:05the larger ones like centered on him and
0:36:07the doctor was there but it was
0:36:09it was centered on non-doctor characters
0:36:10they do those episodes occasionally I
0:36:12and when I see episodes like that i was
0:36:15compared to my head to the best
0:36:17non-doctor center and episode link here
0:36:20the best episode of the show i know i
0:36:23know it is kind of unfair but it's it's
0:36:25amazing to think that this episode that
0:36:27everybody loves is not heavy on doctor
0:36:30or anything like this nice still clearly
0:36:31a doctor who episode so I thought they
0:36:33might have gone in that direction with
0:36:34this and that's where I see like the
0:36:36Rory and Amy showing up as like them
0:36:38under cutting themselves like you can do
0:36:40an episode just Craig or maybe even just
0:36:41Craig in the doctor don't bring those
0:36:43guys back in because it doesn't seem
0:36:45like they have the guts to they wouldn't
0:36:46have the guts to a blink like episode
0:36:47anymore was people would say where's
0:36:49worried were not think so i think that
0:36:51was part of the overarching plot i think
0:36:53there's that was deliberate
0:36:54I mean it was yeah i mean we're talking
0:36:55about the penultimate episode know that
0:36:57I mean after the late great is a weird
0:36:59placement for this thing but when I saw
0:37:00the episode reminded me of those ones
0:37:02the ones that i like but occasionally
0:37:04you could do an episode without those
0:37:05people and just have an interesting
0:37:06sci-fi stories it's almost as if doctor
0:37:08who and his companions 10 min for making
0:37:11the interesting sci-fi stories did ya
0:37:13might want to say so what I've done the
0:37:14last couple years is break those into
0:37:16and so this year with what you had was
0:37:18the girl who waited where the doctor
0:37:20basically is only in one scene outside
0:37:23of the tartness and the rest of it is
0:37:24Amy and Rory and and then the other half
0:37:28of it is this episode good at closing
0:37:31time where Amy and Rory are only in one
0:37:33scene and presumably I think these two
0:37:36episodes were shot in parallel so that
0:37:38their they could Bank two episodes at
0:37:40once I say I'm whereas with blink they
0:37:43that you know the doctor and Martha are
0:37:45into scenes and you know they shot it
0:37:47concurrently so they've done this
0:37:49companion light episode in a doctor
0:37:51light episode and that's what the larger
0:37:52was the larger last year was also the
0:37:55doctor will pay me as well as Amy she
0:37:57was only ever on the TARDIS so it is
0:38:00kind of like but it is off format a
0:38:02little bit and you're right i think i
0:38:04think when the show goes off format it
0:38:05is it gets really interesting and that
0:38:09they should be you know 30 today they
0:38:12generally do about one season I wanted
0:38:14to but it's good and like that like
0:38:16Blake is the best example John and I've
0:38:18said to people like a Twilight Zone
0:38:20episode you don't even need to know
0:38:21anything about
0:38:22doctor-who to enjoy blink because you
0:38:24know it's not really relevant to the
0:38:27show's continuity in fact the doctor is
0:38:29barely and he's just some guy with a
0:38:31time you can also argue that they're
0:38:33setting it up to provide for the
0:38:36opportunity to do more of these sort of
0:38:37standalone episodes now the doctor is
0:38:39underground and not technically living
0:38:42by the University standards right but
0:38:45he's still alive did not clearly showing
0:38:48this in closing time that when we walked
0:38:50out of cine IBM fell from the roof and
0:38:52killed into that was gonna say yeah and
0:38:55they're just outside he was struck by a
0:38:57car outside
0:38:58yeah exactly so so let's talk about
0:39:00let's talk at least briefly about the
0:39:03god complex which is the i have
0:39:04complaints about the god complex so
0:39:06totally hotel somehow it's the Hotel
0:39:08California episode
0:39:10oh yeah it's it's a it's a shining
0:39:12episode it's the star trek hollow shed
0:39:14goes crazy episode practically when
0:39:18taking it at face value this episode was
0:39:21was interesting and kind of fun it's
0:39:24like okay you know monsters and they're
0:39:26chasing around the hotel and then once
0:39:28they got to like the last year once they
0:39:30got to the last five minutes at ten
0:39:31minutes they're trying to explain what
0:39:33this all is and why the praise Him and
0:39:35everything in my head just started to
0:39:37hurt and I'm like wait
0:39:38ok so you're doing the Minotaur and the
0:39:40maze and I you know again I like the
0:39:42mythology but this felt so tacked on and
0:39:45so completely out of left field that I
0:39:47left was left very with a sour taste in
0:39:50my mouth so I can I liked it I liked
0:39:52everything I I thought that the what's
0:39:57the that character the doctor and nurse
0:39:59whatever they were setting her up to be
0:40:00a replacement companion
0:40:02yeah I Oh boys way to it was to all
0:40:05those people it was more like he's he's
0:40:07started to crush on her and be like you
0:40:09could be my next prison you're so smart
0:40:12i kinda creepy guy can ruin your life
0:40:15yeah you guys I like it and I like that
0:40:20there's that pulling out of the rug
0:40:21where you know even the smart people you
0:40:23know the people that the doctor thinks
0:40:25you know our are worth it essentially
0:40:27still don't get out all the time I kind
0:40:30of enjoy I i kinda like this whole I
0:40:31kind of like this whole episode I don't
0:40:33know it i think because i was very
0:40:34immersed in from the beach
0:40:35me because of the way that they just
0:40:37sort of drop you in and there is no
0:40:39explanation of what you're going on
0:40:40what's going on and so is kind of creepy
0:40:43right there is amps the stocking this
0:40:45and like that guy with all the the room
0:40:47with although doesn't look with dummies
0:40:49I don't there's a cloud adjective 1 I
0:40:51mean just a cloud that's just sitting
0:40:52there though right I get it it's i found
0:40:55it you know largely understated for an
0:40:57episode and not necessarily the most
0:40:58original idea like there's there's rooms
0:41:00for all your fears or whatever but I
0:41:03don't know I I there was something
0:41:04effective about it for me and I didn't I
0:41:06gotta understand the complaints about
0:41:08the last five minutes at the same time
0:41:10it was kind of nothing more than a
0:41:12passing sort of interest for me where
0:41:14it's like oh ok alright it's this thing
0:41:16ok let's move on that's not really the
0:41:17point again this is the twist good
0:41:19though that that it's not the rooms are
0:41:22there with with full of your fears in
0:41:24order to kill you
0:41:25the rooms are there full of your fears
0:41:27in order to have you have to rely on
0:41:30something I think you get you through
0:41:34and there was 13 my convoluted once it
0:41:37finds that it eats that and you and then
0:41:40you die happy right which is well I know
0:41:42it was convoluted but it was interesting
0:41:43and trying to be different and i saw
0:41:45some discussions on the internet about
0:41:47how they thought that that eating on a
0:41:49that monster feeding on faith is a is a
0:41:52sort of anti religious statement i
0:41:53thought you know I now that I've
0:41:56mentioned this stupid thing from the
0:41:57internet i'm gonna beat it up because i
0:41:58don't i don't actually agree i think
0:42:00that the point here is first off it's
0:42:02it's an evil monster that eats on each
0:42:04your faith but that they tried to be
0:42:06broader than that i liked the whole
0:42:08aspect of it having to be that you know
0:42:10Amy had to lose her faith in the doctor
0:42:13right
0:42:13I i like that that sort of flip side
0:42:16around it
0:42:17well its initial setup and it's also
0:42:19it's the doctor seeing just how badly
0:42:22he's route he thinks that are ruining
0:42:24people's lives and he's like well you
0:42:25i'm not going to save you I can't save
0:42:28this girl who I potentially could have
0:42:30been my next companion I can't save
0:42:31anybody
0:42:32I'm going to drop you off and prepare
0:42:34myself and go away and i think there's
0:42:37also they were trying to do a parallel
0:42:39between the the Minotaur beast being old
0:42:42and and you know you're trying to make
0:42:45his way they were trying to do it and i
0:42:46saw i saw all the pieces
0:42:49like I like the the first 40 you know 30
0:42:53minutes of the episode and I like the
0:42:54pieces that they were trying to put
0:42:56together I just don't know if it
0:42:57succeeded may be entirely if you better
0:42:59on paper than in yes it's like a doctor
0:43:01who episode recipe because it's always
0:43:03like one part strange situation a
0:43:05one-part thing with Lauren Amy's
0:43:07relationship one part overall mythology
0:43:09leading towards the finale and when they
0:43:11get the mix right it works out i
0:43:12definitely agree that all the
0:43:13ingredients were there but the mix was a
0:43:15little lumpy right i will say this
0:43:16though great direction
0:43:18I don't know what happened to your
0:43:19metaphor I guess whoever was running the
0:43:22beat the the mixer with a good job i
0:43:24will another production the production
0:43:26was really and we'll just looks
0:43:28fantastic and looked eerie and creepy
0:43:30and those two episodes that were talking
0:43:32about the same director because I think
0:43:33he directed the girl who waited to
0:43:34really like them visualize just some
0:43:36stuff that you haven't seen a doctor who
0:43:38was like you know really striving to
0:43:40provide some a different look and in
0:43:42this one you have the security cameras
0:43:45and security cameras were great
0:43:48both of them did a really good job of
0:43:49being very internally consistent in
0:43:51creating these worlds that were
0:43:52incredibly distinct i love the
0:43:54claustrophobic feel about above the
0:43:56hotel with the the stairway and with the
0:43:58TARDIS on it and it was gone and my
0:44:00TARDIS and we start and we start there
0:44:02and and like like you said and the you
0:44:05dropped in
0:44:06I mean I actually love that when doctor
0:44:07who does that where you're like what
0:44:09where are we why are we doing this you
0:44:11know instead of having to be hey we're
0:44:12in the TARDIS let's go somewhere this
0:44:14place looks interesting let's go out the
0:44:15doors and have an adventure you know I
0:44:17kind of like it when they don't do that
0:44:18but they walked out right yeah like you
0:44:20said they disappeared they walk out like
0:44:22there's you know a minute and then
0:44:23they're like okay we should go
0:44:25oh crap yeah we can't its I thought that
0:44:29the very small to the hotel this right
0:44:31since all of us have attended many
0:44:32conferences and been in endless hotel
0:44:34corridor all of the ventriloquist w yeah
0:44:38i mean that happen home designs yes
0:44:40yeah and you're like always did that and
0:44:43I started to have this is why i could
0:44:44never watch the office either the UK the
0:44:45US was up i don't work in offices like
0:44:47that what is too similar to experiences
0:44:49they've had where I start getting the
0:44:51palpitations and like this episode of
0:44:53Scott me like all the endless hotel room
0:44:57oh I didn't want to give a shout out to
0:45:00the the the the Cowardly aliens who I
0:45:04really hope appear in pleasure from the
0:45:06servants most because i love all I love
0:45:08the idea right where the video channel
0:45:11surrender monkeys
0:45:12yeah what do you think about them not
0:45:14even is just a surrender to infiltrate
0:45:16and i love that I love that concept and
0:45:19I really hope that actually yeah that's
0:45:21another apparently famous actor from the
0:45:24David David Walliams always a little
0:45:26little britain guy right yeah yeah yeah
0:45:29so so that we don't recognize plus he
0:45:31was dressed up like an alien butt so I
0:45:34let's talk a little bit before we go
0:45:37about the season as a whole we did this
0:45:41last year and I think it's worth doing
0:45:42again to go around and maybe ask for
0:45:47what your favorite episode of the whole
0:45:49season was and if you'd like to beat on
0:45:52something that your least favorite thing
0:45:54in the in the season and I guess I'll
0:45:59start because that way you guys will
0:46:00have time to ponder while I while I talk
0:46:04about my favorite thing I think my
0:46:06favorite episode of the season is you
0:46:12know the neil gaiman episode is obvious
0:46:13but I i guess i'll say instead just to
0:46:15be less obvious less let's kill hitler
0:46:17because it was such a misdirection and
0:46:20it was wild and crazy and had the crazy
0:46:24shift with the little alien people
0:46:27inside it you know but I i like the game
0:46:31episode 2i like most of the Mafia
0:46:34episodes other than I i think the the
0:46:37two-parter at the beginning of the
0:46:39second part of that wasn't so so great
0:46:40so and then my least favorite this is
0:46:44going to be everybody's to say this but
0:46:45that time the pirate episode yes which
0:46:47it isn't by renault deal of that up then
0:46:52looked up to go i did not all of us when
0:46:54that was the run and that was you know
0:46:56right
0:46:57read what do you think what were your
0:46:58favorite and least favorite things about
0:46:59you stole my favorite my favorite hands
0:47:02down as let's kill hitler but I'm oh God
0:47:05was my second favorite are you can you
0:47:07can just go with me
0:47:08hi oh I would
0:47:09ok i will check in with Jason let's kill
0:47:14let's kill hitler was I still have
0:47:16quotes banging around in my head from
0:47:18that from that show from that episode I
0:47:21love the characterization of Mel's as
0:47:23melody pond much much more than I like
0:47:26the melody pond is River Song revelation
0:47:29and good man goes to war although i do
0:47:31have to shout out the first like 10
0:47:33minutes of good man goes to war because
0:47:34the brewery and everything was very very
0:47:37well-crafted and i will say i liked up
0:47:41on as the season as a whole I found when
0:47:44I was because I after i finished
0:47:46watching the finale i went back and sort
0:47:48of went through the recap starting with
0:47:50the impossible astronaut and looking at
0:47:53this you know with the exception of a
0:47:54couple of weird ones like curse of the
0:47:56black spot I the season was remarkably
0:47:59cohesive and it felt a lot stronger than
0:48:01last season with the Pandorica was very
0:48:05cool kind of season finale everything
0:48:07comes together but I felt like there
0:48:09weren't as many clues is there were this
0:48:12season we really got we got a lot of
0:48:14interesting concepts like we got a we
0:48:17got flesh Amy the ganger Amy and we got
0:48:20a we got the sort of little independent
0:48:23episode the neil gaiman episode with the
0:48:24TARDIS we built a lot of background in
0:48:27addition to having a big a big bad story
0:48:30and and having a nice overarching plot
0:48:33and they did they did a lot of really
0:48:35really good stuff and what 12 13
0:48:38episodes right we're gonna so what you
0:48:40think would hold held together better if
0:48:42they had run them all through instead of
0:48:44splitting them into you know I actually
0:48:47kind of like the break because I mean if
0:48:50you if you went from directly from a
0:48:52good man goes to war and the melody pond
0:48:54revelation straight into the Mel's
0:48:57scenario I kind of feel like we would
0:49:01get it from the gecko be like wait a
0:49:04second there's a new girl here and we
0:49:07just had you know I i don't know i feel
0:49:09i actually liked the like the space and
0:49:12like the ramp up to two finales okay um
0:49:17Glenn about you
0:49:18I think I'm gonna go with you I'll do it
0:49:20I'll do 24 just because I'm
0:49:22verse i think the doctor's wife i liked
0:49:25as a call back to the old doctor who
0:49:26cereals that it had such a feeling of
0:49:29like the Tom Baker era but updated with
0:49:31like good computer graphics a better
0:49:33plot snap your script but it was fun and
0:49:36kind of chasing around the corner or
0:49:37sway because they're chasing around
0:49:39corners but I i find them
0:49:40I thought it was was a very strong
0:49:42episode in preserving mythology and just
0:49:44being hilarious and interesting and and
0:49:47someone thought provoking but the girl
0:49:49who waited as because the most
0:49:51emblematic was my favorite of the new
0:49:53kind of doctor who aesthetic which is
0:49:55more intellectual and poses problems
0:49:56that are actually harder and resolvable
0:49:58and terrible things happened sort of the
0:50:01hard sci-fi way things are unresolvable
0:50:03someone has to die in a terrible way
0:50:05they never even exist
0:50:06it's the worst units the worse than
0:50:08death scenario modern sci-fi is you've
0:50:10been erased from history or existence as
0:50:12opposed to just been killed
0:50:13there's no afterlife there's no other
0:50:16kind of experience for your gone except
0:50:17in memory i think those two are the best
0:50:19i actually thought this season i would
0:50:21say was bugging me because there are
0:50:23several episodes in like it like the
0:50:24flash episodes at all the pirate episode
0:50:26i thought was terrible god complex was
0:50:29sort of fun but I thought it was thin i
0:50:31did not like night terrors so I thought
0:50:32there's some very strong episodes and I
0:50:35thought they were so very weak ones that
0:50:36didn't even rise to my mind to like the
0:50:38pirate one being like just enjoyable to
0:50:40watch some of the most enjoyable
0:50:42episodes were also some of the best ones
0:50:44that were just sort of rollicking and
0:50:45like the closing closing time but but i
0:50:49think you know and so not a strong
0:50:50season i would think is a has-been felt
0:50:52but but very strong episodes in the
0:50:54season
0:50:55alright yeah overall I i think i have to
0:51:00decide with the let's kill hitler with a
0:51:02good man goes to war being a close
0:51:04second
0:51:05I like that to partner in general i
0:51:07agree with Ren said about the if you
0:51:09didn't have that break there i think it
0:51:10would lose some of its impact you know
0:51:12it's just like our can't wait to see
0:51:13what happens next week but the fact that
0:51:14we had to wait you know a few months to
0:51:16figure out what happened i think it
0:51:18intensified it
0:51:19overall I think the second half of the
0:51:22season was a lot better than the first
0:51:24half and maybe that's just I know that
0:51:26they rearranged some stuff and maybe
0:51:27that's just you know how about the chips
0:51:30fell but i found myself enjoying all the
0:51:32episodes much more in the second half
0:51:33like Glenn
0:51:34I thought the pirate episode was just
0:51:36atrocious and i didn't i didn't really
0:51:38even have fun with it
0:51:40I did not like the flesh episodes really
0:51:42either but you know I guess I'm the lone
0:51:45person who like the most of the episodes
0:51:46in the second half of the season and I
0:51:48just sort of felt like I was much more
0:51:50immersed in invested in this story once
0:51:53that we hit we had that sort of
0:51:54mid-season finale and pick up and i
0:51:57think that there's just the overall
0:51:58there's a lot to like about this season
0:52:00i think you know in particular some of
0:52:03the characters really came more into
0:52:04their own Matt Smith's doctor is much
0:52:07more clearly defined i thought that i
0:52:10really liked the the progress that they
0:52:13made with Rory going from a sort of
0:52:15two-dimensional like let's kill them off
0:52:17a lot of character to to a character why
0:52:20I really liked you know when he
0:52:21especially in the beginning of good man
0:52:23goes to war I think that's you know a
0:52:24character defining moment for him
0:52:26I like that they kept a lot of the stuff
0:52:27that they develop starting at the end of
0:52:29the last season for him and and he's
0:52:32become one of my favorite characters
0:52:33because he is kind of hapless but also
0:52:35incredibly you know pure just a good
0:52:39person right and I think that that is a
0:52:42a you know he's got a parole quality to
0:52:44him in that sense and now my night feel
0:52:48like I can't really say much bad about
0:52:49any pond so maybe don't you dare idea i
0:52:53wouldn't i'm a sucker arena but yeah
0:52:57overall I i think this season had more
0:52:59strong episodes i think it had some
0:53:01lower lows in the first season but also
0:53:03much higher highs alright John what
0:53:06about you but when I'm different my
0:53:07flame retardant headset now let's write
0:53:10ok that's a place I think season six
0:53:14made me appreciate season five more
0:53:16after have 25 you said how this matt
0:53:22smith doing i think i gave a positive
0:53:23review to see some fire but watching
0:53:26season six like if you were to lay out
0:53:29the the Ark plot it's just like an
0:53:31outline form of like is we're going to
0:53:32do in the first episode we have a doctor
0:53:34died or apparently died and then we're
0:53:36going to then we're going to introduce
0:53:37this concept the flesh and then we're
0:53:39going to have the Flash Amy and we had
0:53:40the baby is going to river song and you
0:53:42know I could just lay off those points
0:53:44at that those those are reasonable bones
0:53:47for a season's arc and then what I would
0:53:50have said it was laying out like that
0:53:51it's okay those are the bones of the
0:53:53thing but what is this season about I
0:53:55would have tried to make the season I
0:53:56think that kind of trying to make the
0:53:57season a personal story about the doctor
0:54:00it's not about the universe being at
0:54:01stake Rory and Amy story pretty much was
0:54:04the previous season in that triangle
0:54:06situations that's what we're not gonna
0:54:07do you know this is this is this season
0:54:09about the doctor but then what they hung
0:54:11on those bones was a lot of a lot of
0:54:14raggedy stuff in there I actually
0:54:16dislike night terrors more than I just
0:54:19like that the pirate episode which is
0:54:20saying something
0:54:22yeah it's closed for me to honestly I
0:54:24really just like that episode 2
0:54:26yeah and and the the individual when
0:54:29they filmed pieces of the arc story when
0:54:31they filmed like the revelation about
0:54:32the flesh Amy or the doctor dying or are
0:54:36any of those things that when they
0:54:37filmed art pieces are the pieces of
0:54:39River Song those segments were good but
0:54:42they were spread too thin i would like
0:54:43to see them made more dense to make room
0:54:46in the middle for good a better for
0:54:50better episodes with you know that they
0:54:53weren't so concerned with our stuff
0:54:54right
0:54:55yeah because like every episode that
0:54:56they want to have some interesting idea
0:54:58they tried to hang with summer stuff on
0:54:59so if i had to pick a favorite I'm
0:55:01actually probably going to pick the girl
0:55:02who waited even though I dumped on that
0:55:04episode a lot at least it was trying to
0:55:06do something different with the
0:55:08characters with killing off the old Amy
0:55:10in that dilemma and that's what i want
0:55:11to see from us I know it's like you know
0:55:13spanish see fairytale cyber from a
0:55:15sci-fi show i want to see stuff like
0:55:16that it's going to be character-driven
0:55:17sci-fi then finally have an established
0:55:18character who makes care about killing
0:55:20the old Abbey do more of that don't
0:55:23weigh those episodes down with the other
0:55:24stuff and i'm looking through the the
0:55:27episode list here I don't like PDA i'm
0:55:29actually looking at the writers but
0:55:30normally take no note but i can see that
0:55:32the the episodes that Steven Moffat road
0:55:36aa-are i mean it it shows i wouldn't say
0:55:39who wrote those but like it he wrote
0:55:41like it so let's kill hitler a good man
0:55:43goes to war the opening two episodes in
0:55:45the finale and I think the level of the
0:55:47writing those episodes it shows that
0:55:49that's like a step up from the ones
0:55:51between but not just talking about i
0:55:53think other than the neil gaiman episode
0:55:55and maybe I'm a closing time which is
0:55:57going
0:55:57light and funny but I think you're right
0:56:00there's definitely a difference of the
0:56:03game episode is the only other one where
0:56:04i'd say like wow that was really solid
0:56:07in a way that some of the others like
0:56:09night terrors of the pyriform were not
0:56:10and the reason I say that makes me
0:56:12appreciate season five more is because
0:56:14season six has a like when I think back
0:56:16of it I can still see season 5 moments
0:56:19more clearly my mind season six you know
0:56:21like season five I could think about all
0:56:23i remember that season that was you know
0:56:24it just it stands out more vividly
0:56:26format and off the individual episodes
0:56:27or better or the way the structured it
0:56:29better or it's because these characters
0:56:30were new and we're introduced to Amy and
0:56:32Rory then that stands out in my mind
0:56:34more than the season is kinda like man
0:56:37it's kind of like some of the the middle
0:56:3910 seasons where he hadn't really hit
0:56:41his stride and but also hadn't passed
0:56:43onto self-parody he was just kind of
0:56:45like in his middle in area
0:56:47I'll say this about the about the last
0:56:50season about the fifth season is that I
0:56:52don't think there was any episode this
0:56:53season that was as bad as the silurian
0:56:55to partner last year the guide agree
0:56:58with that so so even the Pirates maybe
0:57:01pirates maybe maybe yeah maybe silurian
0:57:04was how yeah it was
0:57:06it's the thinnest yeah that's what bugs
0:57:07you is like the only do a limited number
0:57:09of MPs 13 episodes of season us about
0:57:11your like they would all be all be good
0:57:13and instead what you get is a couple
0:57:15episodes that feel like filler and a
0:57:17two-parter that maybe isn't really
0:57:19enough story to to carry two parts and
0:57:22it is kind of what i mean i understand
0:57:24they also have had a you know whatever
0:57:2520-percent budget cut because the BBC is
0:57:28going through hard times but it's always
0:57:30struck me that if you only have 13
0:57:33episodes a year wouldn't you think that
0:57:35they would all be really kind of
0:57:37carefully honed and crafted in a way
0:57:40that is not apparent that they are your
0:57:44budget cuts an opportunity though
0:57:46because especially on a sci-fi show you
0:57:47get the budget cut then you know you can
0:57:50shoot around the scope of of it like
0:57:52think about was that the one midnight
0:57:53when they were like the whole thing was
0:57:55shot in a little transport on that
0:57:56planet have that was a day and which is
0:57:58the greatest episode of the girl who
0:58:00waited is a good example of that where
0:58:01that's it that's a that's a cheap
0:58:03episode in many ways and yet looks like
0:58:06looks great because it's cheap and they
0:58:09got creative about everything is you if
0:58:10you don't have a
0:58:11that fancy stuff and you forced to come
0:58:12up with a good premise in a good story
0:58:14and like you know that's an opportunity
0:58:15when we touched upon this in the in
0:58:17other places to you know we talked about
0:58:19yeah I had some other podcast things
0:58:20like star wars were like you know there
0:58:22are constraints breed creativity right
0:58:24you guys think harder to get around the
0:58:26problems that you're going to have
0:58:27because you don't have any money and
0:58:28things like writing which are you know
0:58:30arguably a fixed cost you know that's
0:58:33that's where you should be focusing well
0:58:35so then again I you know why why is it
0:58:38that in 13 episodes of finely crafted
0:58:40British entertainment you have two three
0:58:42four episodes that feel like kind of you
0:58:45know an essential and and almost filler
0:58:49ii8 I still don't understand it well if
0:58:51the writers tail to mark the russell
0:58:54davies book I think that reveals a
0:58:56little bit of the pressure I mean he was
0:58:58doing he was doing show running for two
0:58:59majors here too much going on but I
0:59:01think there's this sort of the
0:59:02constraint of how they put the show
0:59:04together they try to hold together too
0:59:06much and they don't have the resources
0:59:07to both deliver the kind of pantomime
0:59:11entertainment that this is supposed to
0:59:12be with the campus but also now it's
0:59:15expected to have great special effects
0:59:16like we expect the cgi to look movie
0:59:19quality and not look cheesy and cheap i
0:59:22think all those constraints together I
0:59:23don't think they can meet the cast for
0:59:26you know we like the best of the best
0:59:27i'm not sure I'm not sure I agree about
0:59:29that from the writing perspective Bowen
0:59:31and this is something that you know
0:59:32Russell Russell Davis doesn't didn't do
0:59:34it like a sexy mama does Russell Davis
0:59:36rewrote every episode and see the muscle
0:59:39group actually doesn't and and that's
0:59:41something interesting because as much as
0:59:43I can complain about some of what
0:59:45Russell Davis did and some of the
0:59:46episodes that he rewrote Steven Moffat
0:59:49you know knowing that he doesn't rewrite
0:59:51other writers stuff is in some ways I
0:59:55think an explanation why the seasons are
0:59:57less well are more up
0:59:57less well are more up
1:00:00the even and that there are more kind of
1:00:02the of these clunker episodes i think
1:00:04there's a nice thing about that risk
1:00:06which is you you may get some episodes
1:00:08that have a voice that is different and
1:00:09that's good and I think there are a few
1:00:12of those examples in his era but you
1:00:14also run the risk of having stuff that
1:00:17sort of dips below the quality line and
1:00:20and you know I keep thinking why don't
1:00:22you know man maybe they do this but why
1:00:24don't they order several more scripts
1:00:26then they're going to use and then
1:00:28choose the ones that are the best but
1:00:30these may be the best maybe they do
1:00:33no possible i don't know you know I
1:00:37think they're trying to also they try
1:00:39and tackle some interesting topics and
1:00:41sometimes those succeed wildly and
1:00:44sometimes they fall on their face and
1:00:45I'd rather I I don't know I'd rather
1:00:48that they have the freedom to experiment
1:00:51boldly and you know do an episode where
1:00:54there are pirates onna granted and a
1:00:58ship crashing into a fixed time point
1:01:00and you know that's all cool on paper
1:01:02and it didn't turn out to be the best
1:01:04episode but it was still meet that they
1:01:06took the they took the chance and it's
1:01:09better than would you rather have that
1:01:11and then have a flop or would you rather
1:01:12have a doctor who episode that you've
1:01:15seen you know three or four years ago
1:01:17that follows the same basic plot
1:01:19conventions and is boring but is ok
1:01:22written
1:01:23ok so to Scott I need you I need you to
1:01:25chime in here we got we got diverted oh
1:01:27and we care about your room Union ah I
1:01:32don't really care too much as much as it
1:01:33pains me to let my nemesis talk who I
1:01:36did I did I just going to skip over me
1:01:38who cares about my people I love you
1:01:40that's nice so i will echo the sentiment
1:01:43especially well how much do I owe you
1:01:47Mia I will echo the sentiments of
1:01:50several other patents that choose let's
1:01:53kill hitler as my favorite episode of
1:01:55this season
1:01:56alright i'm changing my vote meal game
1:01:57and then there you go no let's kill
1:01:59hitler is that clear
1:02:01it was good it was where he it was a
1:02:03head Nazis in a time-travel I guess
1:02:06they'll have time traveling them but
1:02:08oh yeah we Scott Nazis up you know
1:02:11hey there's something to be said they
1:02:12have nice uniforms motorcycles
1:02:14motorcycles out again I know
1:02:17shape-shifting are robots which is of
1:02:19course important plot point as we find
1:02:21out later yes even though that angered
1:02:24me uh at least favorite once again i
1:02:26will mention pirates on a spaceship i
1:02:30will say i was glad at the this finale
1:02:32that the Pirates in the spaceship did
1:02:35not somehow save a doctor i would
1:02:37imagine that bad happened about like
1:02:40that would have been pretty bad i was
1:02:42waiting for it as I go those pirates are
1:02:44going to show up again
1:02:45well we had a moment there right where
1:02:47is like all of those people have come
1:02:49and chimed in and they want to help save
1:02:51you and I'm like oh god we're gonna see
1:02:53it's it's going to be like russell t
1:02:56davies big finale and we're going to see
1:02:58everybody alien suit that we still owned
1:03:00and controlled storage will be brought
1:03:03up to
1:03:04they don't die doctor we need you here
1:03:06with us the sitar an empire but yea yea
1:03:11and June would come and one would be
1:03:13shedding a tear and they would say mo no
1:03:16no go right and yea Wow look for in this
1:03:20episode we're headed right let's not do
1:03:22that
1:03:22well no I've seen it so it's and its
1:03:25last of the time lords and the end of
1:03:27time part 2
1:03:29yeah and doomsday a you know right
1:03:32that's what I was thinking when was
1:03:34saying would you rather have an episode
1:03:35where these doctor who plots that are
1:03:37recycled and I'm thinking well that's
1:03:38almost every other episode of yeah it's
1:03:42been a long time has been out it's hard
1:03:45to break out of its formulate it says it
1:03:47has this this the weight of its own plot
1:03:52and fan expectations and rapid you
1:03:54expect the doctor to do certain things
1:03:56so they have to write that show and
1:03:58sometimes get crappy episodes so now
1:04:00that the now comes the waiting because
1:04:02there will be a Christmas special that I
1:04:04believe they're shooting right now but
1:04:06that won't be that where your business
1:04:07is a teaser floating rs.3000 that's at
1:04:11least i will feel teased when I watch it
1:04:14I guess we'll have to do a podcast after
1:04:16it airs yes I think I think I know what
1:04:18we're doing on Christmas night
1:04:21so two years in a row so yeah well that
1:04:23would make a traditional wooden it and
1:04:26some turkey you know some football if
1:04:29you're into that sort of thing and
1:04:30doctor who you know it's it's a nice
1:04:32thing
1:04:32so what until Christmas when we will
1:04:34presumably do this all again if we are
1:04:36all healthy and able to participate and
1:04:39assuming they could finish shooting and
1:04:41editing that episode 4 months fingers
1:04:45great cuts never know it might say it's
1:04:48a nice tree special about Christmas
1:04:51yeah something like that up but anyway
1:04:54so thank you guys for participating in
1:04:56the doctor podcast the season it's been
1:04:58fun even when the episodes have not been
1:05:00which you know pirates and that other
1:05:03one with the kid are never completely
1:05:06really is it's for ya
1:05:08I don't know anyway so i would like to
1:05:11thank my guests here on the on the
1:05:13Doctor Who club we will get little
1:05:15tartness pins later
1:05:17that's why your membership our affairs
1:05:19you have to buy them yourself
1:05:20uh-huh already called well thank you
1:05:23thank you Jason land fleischmann thank
1:05:25you thank you and take that fence off
1:05:28John siracusa thank you i'm looking
1:05:31forward to another universe reboot next
1:05:33season that you might as well because
1:05:36it's gonna happen you just know it it's
1:05:39gonna happen
1:05:40same as this one just no ducks no
1:05:42doctors that's right no duck universe
1:05:45and more'n thank you for for coming and
1:05:49for liking things even big Swede applied
1:05:51you're welcome face and scalp healthy
1:05:53thanks for being here thanks for having
1:05:55until we meet again
1:05:58in the past present future and maybe
1:06:01even out of order and justice helping
1:06:03comfortable texting mystic
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