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00:00:23   welcome back everybody to the [TS]

00:00:25   uncomfortable on your host Jason Snell [TS]

00:00:26   and here we go we're going to talk about [TS]

00:00:29   know back in the early days of the [TS]

00:00:31   uncomfortable what we often did was talk [TS]

00:00:33   about Billy broad broad topics and then [TS]

00:00:36   over the years we've realized we need to [TS]

00:00:38   focus in a little bit because there's a [TS]

00:00:39   lot of episodes you can't you can't stay [TS]

00:00:41   abroad forever you're gonna get detailed [TS]

00:00:42   but it's a little bit of a throwback in [TS]

00:00:44   this one because we're gonna be talking [TS]

00:00:45   about the x-men and you ask yourself [TS]

00:00:46   what do you mean Jason the demon the [TS]

00:00:48   x-men movies do you mean particular runs [TS]

00:00:51   of the x-men you the graphic novel from [TS]

00:00:53   the eighties or or the the you know the [TS]

00:00:55   plastic burn claremont era or or the [TS]

00:00:58   original x-men that Stanley did with I [TS]

00:01:01   don't even remember was that car jack [TS]

00:01:02   kirby was that I don't know it doesn't [TS]

00:01:04   matter [TS]

00:01:05   the answer is yes we're gonna talk about [TS]

00:01:07   the x-men that's what i said the x-men [TS]

00:01:08   that's it that's it [TS]

00:01:10   this is an overview about the x-men [TS]

00:01:11   joining me to talk about all things [TS]

00:01:14   mutant e.r.a find a panel of people [TS]

00:01:17   Monty actually is out there hello Monty [TS]

00:01:19   hello Jason I i'm scanning with cerebro [TS]

00:01:22   and I detect a very powerful mutant it's [TS]

00:01:24   lisa Schmeisser hello very careful yes [TS]

00:01:28   that's my favorite line from I think [TS]

00:01:30   it's the first x-men movie yes where I [TS]

00:01:32   tried to make that into a US mean but [TS]

00:01:35   nobody else wanted to join to it was not [TS]

00:01:37   me it was like the year 2000 means [TS]

00:01:40   really quite across the internet yet i [TS]

00:01:42   just tried to make the other thing that [TS]

00:01:43   nobody would join me and saying all he's [TS]

00:01:45   a very powerful mutant but I don't want [TS]

00:01:47   you and that's right well you know who [TS]

00:01:49   else is a powerful mutant it's Merlin [TS]

00:01:51   Mann hi Marilyn [TS]

00:01:52   hi and then unit circus I was midnight [TS]

00:01:55   crawler any of our region and our our [TS]

00:02:02   comrade from no i'm not i would why am I [TS]

00:02:05   going into a colossal thing I don't know [TS]

00:02:06   also joining us for her second time in [TS]

00:02:08   the uncomfortable it's only worker hello [TS]

00:02:09   hello [TS]

00:02:12   so the x-men I just wanted to do so also [TS]

00:02:14   i should say there's a new x-men movie [TS]

00:02:15   out as we record this and it's not this [TS]

00:02:18   episode is not about that either because [TS]

00:02:19   in my in my continuing attempts to [TS]

00:02:22   frustrate fans who want to talk about [TS]

00:02:24   our recent release motion pictures I [TS]

00:02:27   instead go you know I swerve and instead [TS]

00:02:29   of batman vs superman we talk about the [TS]

00:02:31   batman animated series instead of x-men [TS]

00:02:32   apocalypse we talk about everything but [TS]

00:02:35   Xmen apocalypse basically so [TS]

00:02:37   what I i want to go around and ask [TS]

00:02:39   everybody first just sort of what their [TS]

00:02:41   personal histories with the x-men you [TS]

00:02:43   know where how did you discover them and [TS]

00:02:44   and and and maybe how you know what what [TS]

00:02:48   what resonated with you what was the [TS]

00:02:49   thing that really struck you when you [TS]

00:02:50   when you discovered about these uh these [TS]

00:02:53   Marvel Comics superheroes and there are [TS]

00:02:55   so many so I'm sure there will be some [TS]

00:02:56   some right here least one we start with [TS]

00:02:58   you what what would a what how do you [TS]

00:03:00   discover the x-men and how do they [TS]

00:03:01   resonate with you it was entirely [TS]

00:03:03   serendipitous it was nineteen [TS]

00:03:06   eighty-three my mom let my brother and I [TS]

00:03:09   each pick something up from a drugstore [TS]

00:03:11   comic book rack before a road trip and I [TS]

00:03:14   picked the uncanny x-men annual number 5 [TS]

00:03:19   titled lubuntu yes and it's a crossover [TS]

00:03:23   the Fantastic Four and the reason i [TS]

00:03:25   picked it as a 5th grader was because I [TS]

00:03:28   had seen the nineteen sixties version of [TS]

00:03:31   Fantastic Four before and I always kind [TS]

00:03:32   of liked both Sue Storm and dr. to but I [TS]

00:03:38   was like well I don't know the Fantastic [TS]

00:03:39   Four let's see what else is going on and [TS]

00:03:41   I i read that issue and what I didn't [TS]

00:03:46   realize at the time was well actually I [TS]

00:03:49   did realize was it was pretty quietly [TS]

00:03:52   radical because you know as a group as a [TS]

00:03:53   little girl growing up with things like [TS]

00:03:55   stable even star wars or the Justice [TS]

00:03:57   League I was used to the formula for any [TS]

00:04:00   sort of ensemble being all of these [TS]

00:04:02   dudes plus one of the girl and in [TS]

00:04:05   uncanny x-men annual number five the [TS]

00:04:08   team was led by a woman by storm and [TS]

00:04:11   there was somebody you know who is a [TS]

00:04:12   team very young teenager kitty pryde now [TS]

00:04:14   is revelation as well and Sue Storm is [TS]

00:04:17   part of the team and Sue Storm becomes [TS]

00:04:19   part of the team and the menus on the [TS]

00:04:22   team are listening to the women and [TS]

00:04:24   doing what they say and it's storm and [TS]

00:04:27   Sue who come up with the plan to rescue [TS]

00:04:28   the rest of the Fantastic Four from the [TS]

00:04:31   bedroom for these these evil lizard like [TS]

00:04:33   people and you know professor at their [TS]

00:04:36   gets a little side action with the [TS]

00:04:38   laundry the interest of the Empire and [TS]

00:04:40   it was such a radical thing to see this [TS]

00:04:42   this mix of people of all ages and [TS]

00:04:44   ethnicities and genders working together [TS]

00:04:47   and i love that comic book I read it [TS]

00:04:49   over and over [TS]

00:04:50   over and over again until it fell apart [TS]

00:04:52   and then i discovered the new mutants [TS]

00:04:54   and that was pretty much my full bore [TS]

00:04:56   bore introduction to the x men in [TS]

00:04:58   general and that the the Nubians are [TS]

00:05:02   pretty much my flagship book and it's [TS]

00:05:05   from there the kind of spread sprung [TS]

00:05:07   into other books other plot lines but [TS]

00:05:10   didn't the Newton's are always when I [TS]

00:05:11   return to again and again I Merlin what [TS]

00:05:14   about you what's your x-men relationship [TS]

00:05:16   my best friend when I was a kid I loved [TS]

00:05:20   all things nerdy stuff that like it's [TS]

00:05:23   kind of normal like now he was a weirdo [TS]

00:05:24   and he loved Lord of the Rings I mean [TS]

00:05:28   all the talking books and especially [TS]

00:05:30   loved x-men and so I knew about he was [TS]

00:05:33   just here I couldn't stop talking about [TS]

00:05:34   it so I knew about all these characters [TS]

00:05:35   i read a little of it didn't get super [TS]

00:05:38   into it I was that's never really stuck [TS]

00:05:41   with me although I like the pictures I [TS]

00:05:43   didn't follow the stories in [TS]

00:05:45   flashforward many years I on windows [TS]

00:05:48   have some kind of midlife crisis and for [TS]

00:05:50   some reason from am I went to amazon i [TS]

00:05:52   picked up the big omnibus of uncanny [TS]

00:05:54   x-men starting with giant-size x-men and [TS]

00:05:57   you know it probably i started reading [TS]

00:06:00   it and reading with my little kid and I [TS]

00:06:02   don't know it really i instantly just it [TS]

00:06:05   came alive and I instantly loved so many [TS]

00:06:07   of these characters and and sort of like [TS]

00:06:08   Lisa said i'ii instantly got the kind of [TS]

00:06:13   the sort of voce message that this is [TS]

00:06:16   really this is about discrimination and [TS]

00:06:17   people who don't fit in and gosh who [TS]

00:06:19   doesn't feel like that especially [TS]

00:06:20   middle-aged men having a midlife crisis [TS]

00:06:22   and i'm really into it and that kinda [TS]

00:06:23   brought me back into comics for the [TS]

00:06:25   first time since I was a kid and for the [TS]

00:06:27   last what six years now seven years now [TS]

00:06:30   it's something that i really come back [TS]

00:06:32   to enjoying still loving the x-men not [TS]

00:06:35   reading so much new stuff right now but [TS]

00:06:37   sometimes you know my kids i will just [TS]

00:06:39   pick up you know masterworks you know [TS]

00:06:42   trade of uncanny x-men we'll just we'll [TS]

00:06:45   just read two or three issues and it [TS]

00:06:46   still delights me [TS]

00:06:48   so you did you have no childhood [TS]

00:06:49   experience with their exposure to the X [TS]

00:06:51   manner or was really just in recent [TS]

00:06:53   years [TS]

00:06:54   well when I was a kid my best friend was [TS]

00:06:56   a super nerd who's really into stuff [TS]

00:06:58   like talkin books and he was really into [TS]

00:07:00   x [TS]

00:07:01   and other Marvel books i was really more [TS]

00:07:02   into the thing i like the thing and I [TS]

00:07:04   like the Hulk like I didn't have the [TS]

00:07:06   cash layout for thirty-five cents to [TS]

00:07:08   follow these kinds of things but you [TS]

00:07:09   know it's funny because as soon as I [TS]

00:07:11   open that up and started reading the [TS]

00:07:12   first few pages you see Kurt you know [TS]

00:07:14   getting chased up a building they're [TS]

00:07:15   setting on fire and i'm just gonna click [TS]

00:07:17   for me and and so mean that was the [TS]

00:07:20   beginning but all on the way like now I [TS]

00:07:22   love uncanny x-force you know how I love [TS]

00:07:25   them just ended like Lisa said that the [TS]

00:07:28   new meat and stuff there's just so much [TS]

00:07:29   that I get out of this and have all of [TS]

00:07:31   the big story all the big teams in [TS]

00:07:34   marvel over the years [TS]

00:07:35   fantastic 4 into an even greater extent [TS]

00:07:37   the x-men are two that I can stick with [TS]

00:07:39   even through some of their Silius times [TS]

00:07:41   mostly because there's just something [TS]

00:07:43   special about that team that I can't [TS]

00:07:45   quite put my finger on and it's the [TS]

00:07:46   blights me to this time point what's [TS]

00:07:48   your--oh what's your experience with the [TS]

00:07:50   x-men well um what happened was [TS]

00:07:53   sometimes I think it was between my [TS]

00:07:56   freshman and sophomore year of high [TS]

00:07:59   school I basically fell in with the [TS]

00:08:01   wrong crowd [TS]

00:08:03   by which you mean comic book nerds by [TS]

00:08:05   which I mean comic book nerds yeah um [TS]

00:08:07   but yeah well I shouldn't say that [TS]

00:08:09   because I had already dipped a toe into [TS]

00:08:12   the comic book universe because i had [TS]

00:08:14   discovered Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles [TS]

00:08:16   through the cartoon i had gone back and [TS]

00:08:19   discovered the original Eastman and [TS]

00:08:21   Laird and so I had actually stepped foot [TS]

00:08:24   in a comic book store [TS]

00:08:26   I had you know had that introduction to [TS]

00:08:30   the world and so through that I sort of [TS]

00:08:34   knew the existence of these x-men and [TS]

00:08:38   you know the rest of the Marvel Universe [TS]

00:08:39   but so I sort of hopped between social [TS]

00:08:45   groups from one year to the next in the [TS]

00:08:49   in high school and they like met these [TS]

00:08:52   like my new friend Tony and my new [TS]

00:08:54   friend Julie and oh hey we're all going [TS]

00:09:00   over to tony's this weekend and we're [TS]

00:09:02   bringing a long boxes you want to come [TS]

00:09:04   I'm like okay sure so I we go over there [TS]

00:09:07   and it's just there it's just x-men it's [TS]

00:09:09   just like this room full of loose issues [TS]

00:09:13   of every x-men series and i just sat [TS]

00:09:16   down and started reading and I was [TS]

00:09:19   absolutely hooked room sounds like [TS]

00:09:21   paradise [TS]

00:09:22   well you would think so except that Tony [TS]

00:09:24   lived above a funeral home soon so it [TS]

00:09:27   literally was paradise then he had very [TS]

00:09:31   quiet neighbors some fascinating place [TS]

00:09:34   to me but no it really was and we would [TS]

00:09:37   do that like once a month or so we would [TS]

00:09:39   all just go over to someone's house and [TS]

00:09:41   and you know make our parents put all of [TS]

00:09:43   our long boxes in the car and and you [TS]

00:09:46   know take them over and that was that [TS]

00:09:50   was it you know i just i started reading [TS]

00:09:52   as many of their back issues as I could [TS]

00:09:56   so that I didn't have to lay out the [TS]

00:09:57   cash myself but I would go and buy a few [TS]

00:10:00   that they didn't have it was like the [TS]

00:10:02   the three or four of us were all trying [TS]

00:10:04   to like build the complete collection [TS]

00:10:05   together and that was about when the [TS]

00:10:11   second book started up i think it's my [TS]

00:10:15   understanding is now it's called x-men [TS]

00:10:16   vol 2 was like in 1991 they just started [TS]

00:10:19   x-men without the uncanny in front of it [TS]

00:10:21   and they split into blue and gold teams [TS]

00:10:23   and now oh there's another title you [TS]

00:10:25   have to buy and and but I was the the [TS]

00:10:30   book this sort of became my book was [TS]

00:10:31   Excalibur because it had because it had [TS]

00:10:35   Kitty Pryde and because it had Kurt and [TS]

00:10:38   that mean even though I knew [TS]

00:10:41   intellectually that it was rather silly [TS]

00:10:44   and some of it was pretty bad [TS]

00:10:47   two of them i would forgive a lot for [TS]

00:10:50   the two of them the tools they were sort [TS]

00:10:51   of my touchstones through the whole [TS]

00:10:53   thing and that lasted I had a very [TS]

00:10:56   intense x-men period that ended rather [TS]

00:11:02   suddenly actually at the end of high [TS]

00:11:05   school and from then on it's been sort [TS]

00:11:09   of like I'll go back and check in on [TS]

00:11:11   them every once in awhile it's sort of [TS]

00:11:12   like getting your college alumni [TS]

00:11:15   newsletter and and say oh wait she had a [TS]

00:11:19   kid when did that happen and you know [TS]

00:11:21   away now he's on the other team and no [TS]

00:11:23   he's dead [TS]

00:11:24   oh no he's back again okay [TS]

00:11:26   so that's been and the movies and you [TS]

00:11:30   know nostalgia and all of that so that's [TS]

00:11:33   been sort of my relationship since then [TS]

00:11:35   money what about you [TS]

00:11:37   well when I was a tiny child i read some [TS]

00:11:40   comic books i remember being partial to [TS]

00:11:42   the flash and richie rich i don't know [TS]

00:11:44   how i picked those two there and so [TS]

00:11:47   often happens yes I like the combination [TS]

00:11:49   yeah I don't those were the ones i [TS]

00:11:51   gravitated to i assume i wanted to run [TS]

00:11:54   fast and be rich 34 friends then I [TS]

00:11:59   drifted away from comics but state a [TS]

00:12:01   huge nerd and then the mid-nineteen [TS]

00:12:03   eighties I fell in with the right crowd [TS]

00:12:05   by which i mean comic book readers and [TS]

00:12:07   role-playing east and the first really [TS]

00:12:11   long role-playing campaign i got into [TS]

00:12:14   was this game of teenage mutant ninja [TS]

00:12:16   turtles and other straightness a [TS]

00:12:18   palladium RPG that is terribly balanced [TS]

00:12:21   and i actually knew about it as a great [TS]

00:12:23   RPG first and then I found out about the [TS]

00:12:26   comics and checking what issues I had I [TS]

00:12:30   this looks like it was about mid [TS]

00:12:32   nineteen eighty-five so again so we both [TS]

00:12:35   of you encounter teenage mutant ninja [TS]

00:12:38   turtles which are of course satirizing [TS]

00:12:40   among other things the x-men the x-men [TS]

00:12:43   is the mutant part and the teenage party [TS]

00:12:45   i guess to a certain extent and the [TS]

00:12:47   ninjas is more of a daredevil kind of [TS]

00:12:49   reaction but that's so you see [TS]

00:12:51   discovered Mutant Ninja Turtles before [TS]

00:12:52   you discovered yeah [TS]

00:12:54   Marvel mutants because i was going to [TS]

00:12:55   comic book stores a bunch at that point [TS]

00:12:58   and then somewhere in mid nineteen [TS]

00:13:01   eighty-five i found the x-men and [TS]

00:13:04   absolutely fell in love with it i am [TS]

00:13:07   unable to tell what my first issue was [TS]

00:13:09   because I immediately started buying [TS]

00:13:13   issues back from where I was to find out [TS]

00:13:15   who these characters were because in [TS]

00:13:17   those days we do not have Wikipedia for [TS]

00:13:19   cheap reprints but I feel like it was [TS]

00:13:22   probably around issue 190 because i know [TS]

00:13:25   for a fact that the x-men team in my [TS]

00:13:29   head is the correct x-men team which is [TS]

00:13:32   storm as leader possibly without powers [TS]

00:13:36   and then we'll bring Nightcrawler road [TS]

00:13:38   Colossus kitty pryde that sort of thing [TS]

00:13:41   classic and i bought almost every [TS]

00:13:46   spin-off book as they came along I was [TS]

00:13:48   very into New Mutants I tried to get [TS]

00:13:51   into x factor but those old characters [TS]

00:13:54   are boring and not my x-men so who cares [TS]

00:13:57   mm ah i did not get very into power pack [TS]

00:14:00   although i did have to buy at least two [TS]

00:14:02   issues because of secret wars crossovers [TS]

00:14:04   bug ya based in secret wars two [TS]

00:14:08   crossovers even better but basically the [TS]

00:14:12   mid-eighties x-men is my entry into [TS]

00:14:15   mainstream comic books the so for me [TS]

00:14:19   very very close to Monte an era i would [TS]

00:14:22   say i discovered i i i really got into [TS]

00:14:24   comics in the in the in the early to mid [TS]

00:14:28   eighties I would say and x-men was so at [TS]

00:14:32   that time x-men had become the most [TS]

00:14:35   popular marvel comic but there was a [TS]

00:14:36   real disparity between comic book people [TS]

00:14:39   and the sort of the general public [TS]

00:14:41   awareness of superheroes write the [TS]

00:14:42   general public knew about Superman and [TS]

00:14:44   Batman and from the marble side they say [TS]

00:14:47   they heard of spider-man and maybe like [TS]

00:14:49   Captain America but that was about it [TS]

00:14:51   and meanwhile the top selling comic not [TS]

00:14:53   just Marvel comic but all of all comics [TS]

00:14:55   was uncanny x-men and so as a as a kid [TS]

00:14:59   discovering comics it was this coat [TS]

00:15:01   surprised that this thing that I've [TS]

00:15:03   never really even heard of was so [TS]

00:15:04   popular and I remember the older wiser [TS]

00:15:08   comic book people being like super into [TS]

00:15:12   the x-men and me being sort of skeptical [TS]

00:15:14   of that because i was into my you know [TS]

00:15:16   spider-man and and in my sci-fi tie-in [TS]

00:15:20   books like micronauts and rom and things [TS]

00:15:22   like that so the but i'd say for me was [TS]

00:15:24   the Paul Smith era which is actually not [TS]

00:15:26   very long [TS]

00:15:27   it was in the in like I don't know 83 [TS]

00:15:31   maybe it was it was a between 165 175 [TS]

00:15:35   uncanny x-men really is the thing that [TS]

00:15:37   got me into the x-men that's where I [TS]

00:15:38   discovered again very similar to Monte [TS]

00:15:40   you know storms the leader that I think [TS]

00:15:43   that's in the run there is where Cyclops [TS]

00:15:45   leaves to go off to Alaska for two to [TS]

00:15:48   meet his girlfriend [TS]

00:15:49   he's a clone of jean grey and they get [TS]

00:15:52   can maybe get a personality [TS]

00:15:54   yeah can you know you can buy the brood [TS]

00:15:57   taken into space all sorts of stuff like [TS]

00:15:58   that and then and and and then when Paul [TS]

00:16:02   Smith left uh they replaced him with [TS]

00:16:04   John Romita Jr who was my favorite [TS]

00:16:06   spider-man artist of of mine and I [TS]

00:16:08   didn't actually like his x-men but it [TS]

00:16:10   didn't matter that boy because i was on [TS]

00:16:12   the New Mutants train as as Lisa [TS]

00:16:14   mentioned and I got to experience like I [TS]

00:16:17   inherited the x-men even though this was [TS]

00:16:19   a I turned over a couple of times line [TS]

00:16:22   of the x-men as I later found out when I [TS]

00:16:23   went back and read the burn [TS]

00:16:25   claremont run which I did not too long [TS]

00:16:28   after that I inherited the x-men but the [TS]

00:16:31   New Mutants belong to me and so I always [TS]

00:16:34   I always liked the new mutants I from [TS]

00:16:36   from the graphic novel and issue number [TS]

00:16:38   one in fact because they were they were [TS]

00:16:41   they were new and and everybody was [TS]

00:16:44   meeting them for the first time and also [TS]

00:16:45   because it was an attempt by chris [TS]

00:16:48   claremont marvel to reset back to the [TS]

00:16:52   classic thing about the x-men that I [TS]

00:16:54   think I really do love which is that [TS]

00:16:57   their their students who are learning [TS]

00:16:59   who they are and what their powers are [TS]

00:17:02   and they have to wear the dumb outfits [TS]

00:17:04   and training the Danger Room because [TS]

00:17:06   they're not quite superheroes yeah and [TS]

00:17:07   they take ballet the other superheroes [TS]

00:17:10   you know in training and Kitty Pryde [TS]

00:17:12   doesn't wanna be one of them which sets [TS]

00:17:14   up with some amusing a back-and-forth [TS]

00:17:15   and and and so that was that was how I [TS]

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00:19:40   so my mentioning the the New Mutants [TS]

00:19:44   being being a learning about their [TS]

00:19:48   powers and all that I had one of the [TS]

00:19:50   topics I wanted to bring up here is [TS]

00:19:51   about sort of the what the x-men [TS]

00:19:53   represent it came up already [TS]

00:19:55   they're Outsiders they represent people [TS]

00:19:57   who are different they're mutants [TS]

00:19:58   they're they're born different and they [TS]

00:20:00   were shunned by society so there are [TS]

00:20:02   lots of metaphors you know what that [TS]

00:20:04   means you can place on top of that that [TS]

00:20:07   core metaphor and it can sort of mean [TS]

00:20:10   what you want it to mean to a certain [TS]

00:20:11   level but I always really liked that and [TS]

00:20:13   I also like the kind of purity of the [TS]

00:20:15   the school concept as well that these [TS]

00:20:17   are these are people who are trying to [TS]

00:20:18   figure out who they are [TS]

00:20:20   while they're being shunned by by by the [TS]

00:20:23   world so so I is Emma my right is that [TS]

00:20:26   sort of the core of the appeal of the of [TS]

00:20:28   the x-men do you think i would hazard [TS]

00:20:30   that one of the appeals of the x-men at [TS]

00:20:34   least as somebody who has been reading [TS]

00:20:37   it for price 30-year is um there are so [TS]

00:20:41   many different characters that it's not [TS]

00:20:44   a book for just a really specific time [TS]

00:20:45   in your life but there are so many [TS]

00:20:47   different characters with so many [TS]

00:20:49   different circumstances you you'll find [TS]

00:20:52   somebody to relate to it almost every [TS]

00:20:53   point um and they love the strongest [TS]

00:20:57   riders on the series have always done a [TS]

00:21:01   good job of blending and balancing [TS]

00:21:03   different types of personalities because [TS]

00:21:04   you always have some hyper conscientious [TS]

00:21:06   types and some wildly and secure types [TS]

00:21:09   and some incredibly Reverend types and [TS]

00:21:11   some straight for heroic types and when [TS]

00:21:14   you watch this this blend of people of [TS]

00:21:16   again of all ages and all abilities [TS]

00:21:18   sparking off of each other [TS]

00:21:20   it's really easy to step into the book [TS]

00:21:23   and began identifying and I think that's [TS]

00:21:24   another part of the appeal as well is in [TS]

00:21:26   addition to the whole you know where all [TS]

00:21:28   mutants under the skin message there's [TS]

00:21:29   also we all have to deal with people all [TS]

00:21:32   of the time that we were thrown together [TS]

00:21:34   with three circumstance and then we have [TS]

00:21:36   people that we want to be with by choice [TS]

00:21:37   and in the relationships I are such a [TS]

00:21:41   heart of the book I think that's part of [TS]

00:21:42   the appeal as well as you eat is you get [TS]

00:21:44   very invested in your specific x-men [TS]

00:21:46   like kitty pryde and you want to see [TS]

00:21:48   pegou you're like oh my god like I can [TS]

00:21:50   remember reading the New Mutants and be [TS]

00:21:52   like Oh Mike [TS]

00:21:53   why are you being such a jerk and at the [TS]

00:21:55   same time like on the other hand if I [TS]

00:21:57   had been demoted from running around [TS]

00:21:58   with my crush Colossus and like the [TS]

00:22:01   people I thought were my peers and being [TS]

00:22:03   forced to hang out with with the ex [TS]

00:22:05   babies i would be a I would be a real [TS]

00:22:07   little pill too so that you know it was [TS]

00:22:10   it was a great mirror for seeing your [TS]

00:22:11   own experiences reflected back and use a [TS]

00:22:13   teen and then as an adult you can kind [TS]

00:22:14   of see you know how people negotiate all [TS]

00:22:17   sorts of different like workplace [TS]

00:22:18   interpersonal conflicts and I find it [TS]

00:22:21   incredibly rewarding that way [TS]

00:22:22   hadn't thought about how the the school [TS]

00:22:25   concept as you put it really helped the [TS]

00:22:31   series in the eighth provided structure [TS]

00:22:34   and it's sort of forced people to have [TS]

00:22:36   to deal with each other instead of USA [TS]

00:22:39   everyone waking up in their own separate [TS]

00:22:41   apartments and and you know having [TS]

00:22:43   little thought bubbles about what [TS]

00:22:44   they're doing they're all having to deal [TS]

00:22:45   with each other in each other's faces [TS]

00:22:47   and it creates tension and it creates a [TS]

00:22:51   lot of opportunity for the writers to [TS]

00:22:53   just pair people up and see how they [TS]

00:22:54   bounce off each other and in that way it [TS]

00:22:58   became almost like i don't know i'm [TS]

00:23:01   thinking of The Sopranos and in how [TS]

00:23:04   you've got the the private lives and and [TS]

00:23:09   like the work lives and how the two of [TS]

00:23:11   them just mesh completely that you have [TS]

00:23:15   what's going on at the school and you [TS]

00:23:16   got what's going on out in the outer [TS]

00:23:17   world that they have to react to and go [TS]

00:23:20   flying the jet and deal with and at the [TS]

00:23:22   same time they're trying to manage all [TS]

00:23:24   of these crazy relationships that [TS]

00:23:27   they're all developing and yeah i do [TS]

00:23:30   think that was quite a bit of the [TS]

00:23:32   success also something that I feel like [TS]

00:23:35   come probably mostly comes out of DC [TS]

00:23:38   characters where I think it for a long [TS]

00:23:40   time the public imagination even until [TS]

00:23:42   fairly recently our concept of Cape [TS]

00:23:45   superheroes was that they were these [TS]

00:23:46   people who were on ironically gifted [TS]

00:23:49   like sure Batman had problems as a kid [TS]

00:23:52   but like he had this noble thing that he [TS]

00:23:54   wanted to do and he bought himself up [TS]

00:23:56   and I think the thing part of what made [TS]

00:23:58   there's so many things that made the [TS]

00:23:59   early sixties marvel comics you know [TS]

00:24:01   great interesting and enduring you know [TS]

00:24:03   in the case of almost all of them [TS]

00:24:05   especially fantastic foursome [TS]

00:24:07   I'm an x-men they are really all comics [TS]

00:24:09   of their time they're based on the fears [TS]

00:24:11   and concerns of the time fear of [TS]

00:24:13   radiation concerned about you know [TS]

00:24:15   segregation and things like that in the [TS]

00:24:17   case of x-men but so whether or not [TS]

00:24:20   regardless of whatever your own feeling [TS]

00:24:22   of being part of or away from society [TS]

00:24:25   one thing almost every teenager has in [TS]

00:24:27   common is they don't like how they are [TS]

00:24:29   they don't like how they got that way [TS]

00:24:30   and they don't see much hope your [TS]

00:24:32   prospect of anything being good as a [TS]

00:24:34   result so when Kitty Pryde is getting [TS]

00:24:37   headaches and phasing through the floor [TS]

00:24:39   from up there is a lot of little girls [TS]

00:24:41   who had their aunt flo arrived and that [TS]

00:24:43   a lot of the same stuff like that I did [TS]

00:24:44   not ask for this this is not what I [TS]

00:24:47   wanted [TS]

00:24:47   there's no one like me I'm the biggest [TS]

00:24:49   weirdo in the world and nothing good [TS]

00:24:51   will ever happen to me [TS]

00:24:52   so now you got something again like you [TS]

00:24:53   say like with with the with the with the [TS]

00:24:55   school you're surrounded by people like [TS]

00:24:57   that yeah you have to get along with [TS]

00:24:59   them but you're also going to you're [TS]

00:25:01   gonna have an opportunity to say you [TS]

00:25:03   know what I am a weirdo but I'm gonna [TS]

00:25:04   find some way to make something good out [TS]

00:25:06   of this and you think about you know [TS]

00:25:08   again think about think about Peter [TS]

00:25:10   Parker you know think about Ben Graham [TS]

00:25:12   think about all those folks who were [TS]

00:25:13   like you know bank needs to be real [TS]

00:25:14   handsome guy he didn't like looking like [TS]

00:25:16   that but he figured out a way to make [TS]

00:25:17   that into something better and bigger [TS]

00:25:20   than himself and that's to me what makes [TS]

00:25:22   the promise of the x-men so interesting [TS]

00:25:25   continues to be a big 10-4 anybody feels [TS]

00:25:27   like a weirdo [TS]

00:25:28   well they also put an extra level of [TS]

00:25:30   weirdness because the residents of the [TS]

00:25:33   Marvel Universe are very picky and they [TS]

00:25:35   can tell the difference between somebody [TS]

00:25:37   who has their powers because of cosmic [TS]

00:25:38   rays which is fine and people who were [TS]

00:25:41   born that way and they're evil and have [TS]

00:25:44   to be shot [TS]

00:25:45   it's a great way to explore the nuances [TS]

00:25:48   of bigotry because you know all the [TS]

00:25:50   spider bit you [TS]

00:25:51   well carry ons when you cross yeah it [TS]

00:25:54   wasn't my good on my good lad as opposed [TS]

00:25:57   to oh you have the x-gene to the tundra [TS]

00:26:00   you know one of the Marvel like to do is [TS]

00:26:02   have unhappy superheroes people who are [TS]

00:26:04   mopey because they have superpowers [TS]

00:26:07   yeah which a lot of the time doesn't [TS]

00:26:08   work because except for Ben Grimm the [TS]

00:26:10   rest of the Fantastic Four are fine and [TS]

00:26:12   can get on with their lives I'll be mr. [TS]

00:26:14   fantastic intervening says Johnny Storm [TS]

00:26:17   ok [TS]

00:26:18   yeah but the x-men and all the whole [TS]

00:26:21   mutants even if they look normal they [TS]

00:26:23   know they are hunted and despised for [TS]

00:26:26   what they are and a lot of like say a [TS]

00:26:28   lot of teenagers also feel like they are [TS]

00:26:31   hunted and despite just for being [TS]

00:26:32   themselves man that's right and you have [TS]

00:26:35   two different kinds you got the you have [TS]

00:26:36   the mutants who are visibly mutant like [TS]

00:26:38   Nightcrawler being a good example it or [TS]

00:26:40   where the Beast back in the day who they [TS]

00:26:43   don't they don't make physically don't [TS]

00:26:44   fit in and then you've got the other [TS]

00:26:46   kind of outcasts who are the ones who [TS]

00:26:47   who know their different inside and I [TS]

00:26:50   and and if they don't say anything or [TS]

00:26:51   they don't you know if they behave right [TS]

00:26:53   they might be able to pass for some [TS]

00:26:55   amount of time but they know that it's [TS]

00:26:56   it's not true and and that they could be [TS]

00:26:58   found out in that they're not being true [TS]

00:27:00   to themselves and I i like i like both [TS]

00:27:02   of those approaches and by by having the [TS]

00:27:04   team you've got people who got these two [TS]

00:27:06   they're in different stages of life and [TS]

00:27:08   they've got different ways that they [TS]

00:27:09   interact with with society and it makes [TS]

00:27:11   it really interesting [TS]

00:27:12   that's a good point because you talk [TS]

00:27:13   about the ways they interact with [TS]

00:27:14   society and I was gonna say would also [TS]

00:27:16   appeals to be about the x-men especially [TS]

00:27:18   become adults is the writers tend to [TS]

00:27:21   come back repeatedly to each character [TS]

00:27:23   ask themselves who do I want to be and [TS]

00:27:25   what am I going to do in the world with [TS]

00:27:28   who why with with that the talents and [TS]

00:27:30   traits that i have am I going to be [TS]

00:27:32   somebody who's like a straight-up hero [TS]

00:27:33   or am I going to be somebody who run the [TS]

00:27:36   detective agency or am I going to be [TS]

00:27:38   somebody who's a school administrator in [TS]

00:27:41   there are some mutants are all you know [TS]

00:27:42   I don't forget you i'm i'm going to [TS]

00:27:44   become off high-class prostitute because [TS]

00:27:46   that is the thing that most women X [TS]

00:27:49   could god I'm going to become a rock [TS]

00:27:51   star or disco star was thinking [TS]

00:27:54   something she shoots lasers with sound [TS]

00:27:56   ok I think about the villains that you [TS]

00:27:59   end up really enjoying or when you fill [TS]

00:28:01   in what it would mean a villain you know [TS]

00:28:03   the bad guys the baddies but I mean you [TS]

00:28:06   know what does it make the Joker so [TS]

00:28:07   great with Batman the Joker Dino super [TS]

00:28:11   deep cataloging Batman but one of the [TS]

00:28:13   reasons i love the Joker is that he [TS]

00:28:15   realizes something he wants Batman to [TS]

00:28:17   realize that thing and that thing is we [TS]

00:28:19   need each other like we cannot rise to [TS]

00:28:21   the appropriate level of what we are [TS]

00:28:22   capable of without pushing each other so [TS]

00:28:25   that makes a great every single [TS]

00:28:26   relationship whereas again look over [TS]

00:28:27   here at somebody like magneto Magneto [TS]

00:28:29   got his [TS]

00:28:30   reasons for being added in various times [TS]

00:28:32   in the history of the x-men there are [TS]

00:28:34   ppl misguided or otherwise who feel dogs [TS]

00:28:37   certain that whatever it is they believe [TS]

00:28:39   is best for everybody so whether that's [TS]

00:28:40   with his name in godless man kills or [TS]

00:28:44   without striker striker yesterday haha [TS]

00:28:46   striker that guy or whomever like you [TS]

00:28:48   need a the thing is this is what makes [TS]

00:28:50   for great potentially great literature [TS]

00:28:52   is to have somebody who gets cast as the [TS]

00:28:54   antagonist but they you know nobody [TS]

00:28:57   thinks they're the troll because [TS]

00:28:58   everybody's got their reasons and that's [TS]

00:29:00   why magneto continues to be interesting [TS]

00:29:02   because you know you don't know what [TS]

00:29:04   side he's going to be on but he's [TS]

00:29:05   definitely not on the same page as [TS]

00:29:06   everybody else but i don't know i think [TS]

00:29:09   that continues to making such an [TS]

00:29:10   interesting character [TS]

00:29:11   yeah he was on the x-men for a long time [TS]

00:29:14   and it was completely justified he [TS]

00:29:16   didn't have to change any of his basic [TS]

00:29:17   motivations to do it which is not [TS]

00:29:19   something you can do with a lot of [TS]

00:29:20   villains [TS]

00:29:21   yeah or listen carefully I mean you know [TS]

00:29:23   you could have the lex luthor he is [TS]

00:29:26   working with Superman now is like yeah [TS]

00:29:27   okay but with Maggie know it was about [TS]

00:29:29   his approach and and I mean he sometimes [TS]

00:29:32   drawn as much more villainy but but i [TS]

00:29:34   agree so much of this is about or emma [TS]

00:29:36   frost yeah well i was thinking i was [TS]

00:29:38   gonna bring her up because i actually [TS]

00:29:40   one of the things that you know they're [TS]

00:29:41   the classic things about the x-men that [TS]

00:29:43   i kind of am sad that they don't have [TS]

00:29:45   anymore because they have progressed but [TS]

00:29:47   I it's hard for me to complain about a [TS]

00:29:48   comic-book trying to progress characters [TS]

00:29:50   because usually they don't and and so [TS]

00:29:52   Emma Frost is a good example who she [TS]

00:29:54   starts out [TS]

00:29:55   I mean she's got some she's allergic [TS]

00:29:56   clothing we've established this she [TS]

00:29:58   really doesn't want to wear any it's she [TS]

00:29:59   wears as little as possible so she was [TS]

00:30:02   you know she's she's the the white queen [TS]

00:30:03   and the Hellfire Club and she's up she's [TS]

00:30:06   a baddie and it turns around and becomes [TS]

00:30:08   a really interesting character as Scott [TS]

00:30:12   Summers girlfriend and a teacher who's [TS]

00:30:14   basically running the school and um you [TS]

00:30:18   know she's she and she's got an itch to [TS]

00:30:19   her because she isn't like a goody-goody [TS]

00:30:22   because she was a villain and ends up [TS]

00:30:24   being a you know it did that there's a [TS]

00:30:26   all these characters who are mutants [TS]

00:30:29   they're all on in one level they're on [TS]

00:30:30   the same side right and it's just a [TS]

00:30:32   matter of what they choose to do [TS]

00:30:34   politically about being on that side [TS]

00:30:37   they're the ones they're all apart the [TS]

00:30:38   good guys and the bad guys are all apart [TS]

00:30:41   from the rest of the world because [TS]

00:30:42   they're in general and the x-men all [TS]

00:30:43   mutants that's really interesting i'd [TS]

00:30:45   rather than my frost just because you [TS]

00:30:47   talk about you know she was rolled out [TS]

00:30:49   and she's the white queen she can [TS]

00:30:50   Sebastian's you know Sebastian's shot is [TS]

00:30:54   terrifying and what was striking even [TS]

00:30:57   back in the eighties was her laser focus [TS]

00:31:00   was i'm going to raise these children so [TS]

00:31:02   they don't have to go through what I go [TS]

00:31:03   through and if if her means were you [TS]

00:31:06   know seen as evil or manipulative she [TS]

00:31:09   she could not care less what you thought [TS]

00:31:11   because she had a goal is really focused [TS]

00:31:14   on I feel like she shares that with [TS]

00:31:15   magneto where they have this one [TS]

00:31:17   principle that drives everything they do [TS]

00:31:19   and it's a good principle it's just that [TS]

00:31:21   they are very much of the well you [TS]

00:31:23   cannot make an omelet without going [TS]

00:31:26   through accident [TS]

00:31:27   yeah but I'm one of my the moment I will [TS]

00:31:30   always love Emma Frost for actually [TS]

00:31:32   happens during marvel civil war event [TS]

00:31:33   when Tony Stark comes and he's like yeah [TS]

00:31:35   we really want the mutants to help out [TS]

00:31:37   the side of the side of Tony Stark the [TS]

00:31:39   side of right and she's like I like the [TS]

00:31:41   way the Avengers helped after her big [TS]

00:31:42   crisis last year Donna are we in the [TS]

00:31:48   Marvel Universe now I hadn't noticed [TS]

00:31:50   yeah and just the way she throws his [TS]

00:31:53   crap in the street and she's all know [TS]

00:31:56   you know what mutants mutants lookout [TS]

00:31:57   for mutants I don't care what the rest [TS]

00:31:59   of you do every mutant has their orders [TS]

00:32:00   to stay out of this and when she when [TS]

00:32:03   she puts it like that you know that [TS]

00:32:05   everyone staying out of it like you know [TS]

00:32:06   there's not going to be Wolverine [TS]

00:32:07   popping into this book to Goose sales [TS]

00:32:09   because II you even he goes back and i [TS]

00:32:13   love that she explicitly draws length of [TS]

00:32:16   solid evidence is no these are the [TS]

00:32:17   people I'm for you are not one of them [TS]

00:32:19   and by the way you work you work for us [TS]

00:32:20   what we needed you so have a Coke and a [TS]

00:32:23   smile and good luck in Captain America [TS]

00:32:24   going the other way road was a villain [TS]

00:32:28   who turned you into a hero as a complete [TS]

00:32:31   turning on a dime in it yeah yeah yeah i [TS]

00:32:35   mean there was there was some tragedy in [TS]

00:32:37   her but it did happen awful fast that [TS]

00:32:39   was right at Corrin in the core of my [TS]

00:32:41   expanding and and she was meant to be a [TS]

00:32:43   tragic character her tragedy was that [TS]

00:32:46   she almost killed miss marvel but still [TS]

00:32:50   kinda messed her up in the head man [TS]

00:32:51   cause she kinda absorbed the heroism of [TS]

00:32:54   ms marvel and [TS]

00:32:55   and it sort of made her rethink things [TS]

00:32:57   and they haven't rehabbing a villain and [TS]

00:32:59   and turning them into an x-man was an [TS]

00:33:01   interesting story for rogue but it was [TS]

00:33:03   no no I i am with You Monty it's gonna [TS]

00:33:06   happen awfully awfully fast i also find [TS]

00:33:09   a chilling that we gave this woman a [TS]

00:33:10   personality transplant now she's [TS]

00:33:12   wonderful as is seen as a completely [TS]

00:33:14   valid after everybody [TS]

00:33:15   yeah by the time i was reading she's [TS]

00:33:18   just the invulnerable flying one with a [TS]

00:33:21   southern sun and magnificent mullet oh [TS]

00:33:24   my god i think it's going straight [TS]

00:33:28   john romita like to take his time with [TS]

00:33:31   drawing air [TS]

00:33:32   yeah listen sugar yeah I liked Rogan III [TS]

00:33:36   it's one of the things that I sort of [TS]

00:33:39   hesitate to go back and read the the era [TS]

00:33:42   that i started reading the nineteen [TS]

00:33:44   nineties because looking back at it now [TS]

00:33:47   I realize how thin the character was and [TS]

00:33:50   but I thought that you know her plight [TS]

00:33:52   was so tragic and you know she couldn't [TS]

00:33:55   touch anyone and and oh you know it [TS]

00:33:58   I gambit gets a lot of flak that is very [TS]

00:34:01   well observed and he basically exist to [TS]

00:34:06   be the man she cannot touch and but at [TS]

00:34:10   the same time it was sort of that [TS]

00:34:13   there's the TV show Beauty and the Beast [TS]

00:34:15   that was on at about the same time where [TS]

00:34:17   it was where they set up the tension so [TS]

00:34:19   well that anything that was you know two [TS]

00:34:23   pinkies touching constituted you know [TS]

00:34:25   full-on you know going at it and that [TS]

00:34:29   was what they set up for the two of them [TS]

00:34:31   and so as as a fifteen-year-old girl I [TS]

00:34:34   was completely enraptured by anything [TS]

00:34:37   that the two of them are in and now I'm [TS]

00:34:41   like God I don't even want to look at it [TS]

00:34:43   because I i'm just going to be [TS]

00:34:45   embarrassed but they managed to touch [TS]

00:34:48   something really primal with her which [TS]

00:34:51   is it is a very very freaky thought what [TS]

00:34:54   if you couldn't touch anyone for the [TS]

00:34:56   rest of your life and just that ability [TS]

00:35:00   of hers that was also such a huge [TS]

00:35:03   impediment sheet sort of personified i [TS]

00:35:05   think a lot of the [TS]

00:35:07   the the double-edged sword of being a [TS]

00:35:09   mutant you have this amazing power and [TS]

00:35:11   you may just chuck it all you know if [TS]

00:35:16   you could in order to just have basic [TS]

00:35:18   human contact time to take a break and [TS]

00:35:24   tell you about a sponsor it's Harry's [TS]

00:35:26   you know i've been using Harry's shaving [TS]

00:35:28   equipment for quite a while now and I [TS]

00:35:31   really like it to the point where i got [TS]

00:35:33   my first set sent to me from I'm from [TS]

00:35:35   Harry's they're like you're gonna talk [TS]

00:35:36   about this on podcast you should try it [TS]

00:35:38   out and since then you know what I just [TS]

00:35:40   keep buying the stuff because it's [TS]

00:35:41   really good and I'm happy to spend my [TS]

00:35:43   own money on Harry's shaving equipment [TS]

00:35:45   the blades super-sharp the shape is [TS]

00:35:48   close and comfortable [TS]

00:35:49   the handle is very nice and crippled and [TS]

00:35:52   the the shaving lotion smells great the [TS]

00:35:55   minty shaving lotion it's changed how I [TS]

00:35:58   shave and all for the better so i think [TS]

00:36:02   you should give it a try to now fathers [TS]

00:36:05   days coming up the limited edition [TS]

00:36:06   father's day shape set is here [TS]

00:36:09   it includes a matte black razor handle [TS]

00:36:10   chrome razor stand which is pretty cool [TS]

00:36:13   i just check this out [TS]

00:36:14   you can it allows you to stand the razor [TS]

00:36:16   upright and has a little place that [TS]

00:36:18   lives it's pretty cool and it's got the [TS]

00:36:20   moisturizing foaming shave gel three [TS]

00:36:22   handcrafted blade cartridges and a [TS]

00:36:25   travel cover all four forty dollars and [TS]

00:36:28   comes in a sleek giftable box with the [TS]

00:36:30   option to add custom engraving and a [TS]

00:36:32   personalized card it's a beautiful set [TS]

00:36:33   but there are also more affordable [TS]

00:36:35   shaving sets if you would prefer [TS]

00:36:36   starting at fifteen dollars so you could [TS]

00:36:39   definitely get one for somebody in your [TS]

00:36:41   life or for yourself [TS]

00:36:43   Harry's razor's edge 5german crafted [TS]

00:36:45   blades Affleck's hinge lubricating strip [TS]

00:36:47   quality is guaranteed if you're not [TS]

00:36:49   happy they'll give you your money back [TS]

00:36:50   and they cost two dollars blade or even [TS]

00:36:53   less half the price of the leading brand [TS]

00:36:54   it's easy to order you go online you [TS]

00:36:56   have to go to the drugstore and deal [TS]

00:36:58   with people and have them unlocked cases [TS]

00:36:59   or anything like that and if you're [TS]

00:37:01   sending it to somebody you love is a [TS]

00:37:02   gift that's easy just put in their [TS]

00:37:04   address and it goes to them so go to [TS]

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00:37:19   har ry s.com enter code smell at [TS]

00:37:23   checkout and you'll get five dollars off [TS]

00:37:24   get dead something he'll actually use on [TS]

00:37:27   father's day we'll get something for [TS]

00:37:28   yourself if you're a person who shaves [TS]

00:37:30   you should try Harry's [TS]

00:37:35   I wanted to talk about the characters [TS]

00:37:41   here because we mentioned a few of them [TS]

00:37:43   in there so there are so many I I'm [TS]

00:37:46   surprised we haven't talked about [TS]

00:37:47   Charles Xavier at all but they they he [TS]

00:37:50   kind of comes and goes hey they promised [TS]

00:37:52   Jason they kill them off and then he [TS]

00:37:54   comes back and he dies again and they [TS]

00:37:55   pick his brain and put him in somebody [TS]

00:37:57   else and it's a thing that house he [TS]

00:37:58   doesn't walk he walks he doesn't yeah i [TS]

00:38:00   know the clone body and they break the [TS]

00:38:02   body to me it's a thing but he comes to [TS]

00:38:05   me goes but there's so many characters [TS]

00:38:06   and it and it's a rich word with this is [TS]

00:38:08   not the draft but i do want to go around [TS]

00:38:10   and ask everybody if they have if they [TS]

00:38:12   have a favorite one or two x-men because [TS]

00:38:15   i think that we're never gonna be able [TS]

00:38:17   to capture them all but maybe we can [TS]

00:38:19   touch quickly on on a few of the [TS]

00:38:22   characters that are really made an [TS]

00:38:24   impact with us Berlin what about you [TS]

00:38:26   we have a your favorite favorite x-men [TS]

00:38:28   that's like asking me to pick my [TS]

00:38:29   favorite Beatles song and it's really [TS]

00:38:31   hard to changes from time to time but an [TS]

00:38:33   enduring favorite for me is kitty pryde [TS]

00:38:35   i think that's probably when everybody's [TS]

00:38:38   favorite because she feels like us and [TS]

00:38:40   she's the way that and if you can get [TS]

00:38:42   with the Marvel style and you know I [TS]

00:38:44   totally understand if you can't get with [TS]

00:38:45   the Marvel stop when she's introduced I [TS]

00:38:47   will freely return to that crazy run [TS]

00:38:49   that awesome run so much great stuff [TS]

00:38:52   around that time when they introduced [TS]

00:38:54   dazzler and they introduced kitty pryde [TS]

00:38:57   there's so much great stuff but the way [TS]

00:38:59   that she's written she really feels like [TS]

00:39:01   a Jewish kid from Chicago who takes [TS]

00:39:02   ballet lessons really i buy it I'm in [TS]

00:39:05   like I'm sold [TS]

00:39:06   I wanted to mention some of our kitty [TS]

00:39:07   because that I think kitty kitty is so [TS]

00:39:09   many people talk about about kitty and i [TS]

00:39:13   remember i told you i like the hardcore [TS]

00:39:14   comics fans who all loved x-men and I'll [TS]

00:39:17   love Wolverine these are all a bunch of [TS]

00:39:18   12 year old boys were like wolverine [TS]

00:39:20   he's so cool you can cut things with his [TS]

00:39:21   claws he's awesome he's got a cigar he's [TS]

00:39:24   great right [TS]

00:39:25   and then there's me who you know quite [TS]

00:39:27   frankly would not talk about it to those [TS]

00:39:28   to those guys because I didn't want to [TS]

00:39:30   let on but it's like I actually really [TS]

00:39:32   like kitty pryde she's the one she's one [TS]

00:39:33   question I don't have anything connected [TS]

00:39:36   to Wolverine at all it's like he's just [TS]

00:39:39   this grumbly canadian guy right cliff [TS]

00:39:42   Claus but kitty is an awkward teenager [TS]

00:39:44   who is trying to interact in a world [TS]

00:39:47   with all of these adults who have [TS]

00:39:49   who seem to have their stuff together [TS]

00:39:51   and I'll in a way that she absolutely [TS]

00:39:53   does not [TS]

00:39:54   she's like the bass player from [TS]

00:39:55   Metallica like no matter how long she's [TS]

00:39:57   in that band she's always going to be [TS]

00:39:58   the new one yeah but that's what makes [TS]

00:40:00   her and Wolverines two great teams drink [TS]

00:40:03   yeah whatever I I always been [TS]

00:40:05   interesting how all Wolverine principal [TS]

00:40:07   little girls [TS]

00:40:08   yeah he's great at that he so there's [TS]

00:40:11   that cover worries about to kill a [TS]

00:40:12   powerpack kid when they did that [TS]

00:40:14   recently they did the wolverine and the [TS]

00:40:16   x-men series which which plays off of [TS]

00:40:18   wolverine as actually not you know he [TS]

00:40:20   doesn't want to let on because he's got [TS]

00:40:22   that profits Terry to live down but he [TS]

00:40:24   he is he actually is good with kids [TS]

00:40:27   the thing that I think i'm a lot of like [TS]

00:40:29   manly man boys miss that to me has [TS]

00:40:32   become my I mean I happen to really like [TS]

00:40:34   wolverine I think he's gotten a little [TS]

00:40:36   lot of baggage over the years because [TS]

00:40:38   people have God love him I videography [TS]

00:40:41   added so much unnecessary origin stuff [TS]

00:40:44   to this character was connected within [TS]

00:40:46   jack has noticed that yeah well that was [TS]

00:40:49   the most interesting we didn't [TS]

00:40:50   understand what how the claws work we [TS]

00:40:52   don't know like we don't need like you [TS]

00:40:54   know but the thing is and you know it's [TS]

00:40:56   funny this didn't really really hit me [TS]

00:40:57   until the first x-men movie which i [TS]

00:40:59   think is a really good movie but when [TS]

00:41:02   when when rogue has seen him [TS]

00:41:05   wielding his claws and they're sitting [TS]

00:41:06   there in the pickup and they do a great [TS]

00:41:08   shot with a zoom in on his hands and [TS]

00:41:10   he's gripping the wheel doesn't hand and [TS]

00:41:12   she and Andros says to him [TS]

00:41:14   does it hurt and he says every time [TS]

00:41:17   three-time loser here's here's what you [TS]

00:41:19   don't know about wolverine hey this is [TS]

00:41:20   the thing you can drop him from space [TS]

00:41:23   and he will the social part 3 [TS]

00:41:26   he will heal the particular it's gonna [TS]

00:41:28   hurt so much when he hits the ground [TS]

00:41:30   every time he does anything that we [TS]

00:41:32   think of as like it's not like it's not [TS]

00:41:34   like Superman like lifting something [TS]

00:41:35   with his irate I lasers or something [TS]

00:41:37   like everything he does hurts just as [TS]

00:41:39   much as it would hurt you and me he [TS]

00:41:40   wastes 352 he weighs 300 pounds damn and [TS]

00:41:45   pain because his body is permanently [TS]

00:41:48   trying to heal something that can't be [TS]

00:41:50   imagine being a human scab that smokes [TS]

00:41:52   that's what he'd call his entire life is [TS]

00:41:55   healing something unavailable and that [TS]

00:41:57   now maybe that's the 49-year old man [TS]

00:41:59   because I heard that I was over [TS]

00:42:00   they're my my Canadian brother i feel [TS]

00:42:04   you there was i remember this issue [TS]

00:42:06   where Jean Grey had to go find him [TS]

00:42:10   it was like the aftermath of some battle [TS]

00:42:12   or other and he decided to deal with the [TS]

00:42:14   emotional fallout by going and picking [TS]

00:42:16   fights in bars and she found him with [TS]

00:42:18   cerebro and she got him and he had been [TS]

00:42:21   i basically daring this guy to hit him [TS]

00:42:24   with brass knuckles and the guy you know [TS]

00:42:26   obliged and Wolverine then you know had [TS]

00:42:30   to pop his I back into place and Papa [TS]

00:42:32   shoulder back into place and whatever [TS]

00:42:34   and then he said my turn in the guy ran [TS]

00:42:36   and Jean Grey's like why are you doing [TS]

00:42:38   this and he says the the answer [TS]

00:42:40   basically boiled down to I don't scar I [TS]

00:42:43   don't get to scar the way you guys do [TS]

00:42:45   and you can look at your body and say [TS]

00:42:47   this is from with this fight and this is [TS]

00:42:49   from the other fight and this is from [TS]

00:42:51   when you know I tripped on something [TS]

00:42:53   when I was a kid so this is how I deal [TS]

00:42:57   with it and I remember being very blown [TS]

00:43:00   away by that because I yeah it's that [TS]

00:43:04   feeling of you can do anything to him [TS]

00:43:07   and he comes back and what what's what [TS]

00:43:10   does that reek in in in the head that [TS]

00:43:14   just makes guy interesting and I think [TS]

00:43:17   he's I think Wolverines a character is a [TS]

00:43:18   victim of his unpopularity that he ended [TS]

00:43:20   up being you know not only I think like [TS]

00:43:23   by some people for some of the wrong [TS]

00:43:24   reasons and that lost some of the [TS]

00:43:26   subtlety of the character but also he [TS]

00:43:27   just got so popular that he was [TS]

00:43:29   overexposed and they had a min a bunch [TS]

00:43:31   of different books that spider-man is [TS]

00:43:33   really was something on every team for [TS]

00:43:35   know particularly good reason yeah you [TS]

00:43:36   know that's the joke as Wolverines the [TS]

00:43:38   Wolverines the loners on every team in [TS]

00:43:39   the market [TS]

00:43:40   yeah but you know it's just we think [TS]

00:43:44   about he's ultimately so tragic because [TS]

00:43:46   here is somebody who is a grown-ass man [TS]

00:43:48   living in a mansion with a bunch of [TS]

00:43:49   teenagers he can't get married and have [TS]

00:43:51   children because that's just their there [TS]

00:43:54   are no circumstances that's going to [TS]

00:43:55   work for him and what I found [TS]

00:43:57   interesting about the way he's been [TS]

00:43:59   characterized over the years is I loved [TS]

00:44:02   him in the eighties when I was a little [TS]

00:44:04   girl and then a teenager because he was [TS]

00:44:05   he was always the wisecracking cynic on [TS]

00:44:07   the team [TS]

00:44:08   um and I like the undercut the tone of [TS]

00:44:12   high-minded idea [TS]

00:44:13   it's part of high-minded heroes and that [TS]

00:44:15   Scott Summers strove to bring to the [TS]

00:44:17   proceedings and but it seems like a lot [TS]

00:44:21   of the writers use them to workout [TS]

00:44:23   meditations on what it means to be [TS]

00:44:24   masculine in almost a decade and that [TS]

00:44:27   has kind of gradually shifted over the [TS]

00:44:29   years and when you see him another book [TS]

00:44:31   sometimes it's fascinating [TS]

00:44:33   like I love his appearance in this [TS]

00:44:35   Marvel when Kamala cosmic irony fanfic [TS]

00:44:37   about you and they worked together and [TS]

00:44:40   he has to accept help from her and they [TS]

00:44:43   take a selfie and he treats her like up [TS]

00:44:45   here but he still runs interference to [TS]

00:44:47   make sure that she's not on the Avengers [TS]

00:44:49   Walsh while she's still a child and you [TS]

00:44:52   contrast that to somebody who in the [TS]

00:44:54   eighties had no problem throwing [TS]

00:44:55   teenagers into battle when it was [TS]

00:44:57   expedient and I think it's really [TS]

00:44:59   interesting how the character has [TS]

00:45:01   suddenly grown and changed and how that [TS]

00:45:03   might be pointing to cultural currents [TS]

00:45:05   about the the way we regard what it [TS]

00:45:07   means to be manly or to be a man of [TS]

00:45:08   culture too because because the Marines [TS]

00:45:10   kind of Wolverines kind of marbles [TS]

00:45:12   masculine fantasy the only people that [TS]

00:45:13   the people the the greatest American [TS]

00:45:15   filmmakers working today dealing with in [TS]

00:45:18   every movie in some way dealing with [TS]

00:45:19   what happens [TS]

00:45:21   what does it mean to be a man in America [TS]

00:45:23   and what would you do if you had [TS]

00:45:24   unlimited power and money [TS]

00:45:25   coen brothers coen brothers should do a [TS]

00:45:27   Wolverine movie probably can't just to [TS]

00:45:29   add george clooney's Wolverine I was all [TS]

00:45:30   set to answer your question i'm not [TS]

00:45:34   going to say Nightcrawler I'm not gonna [TS]

00:45:36   say I'm gonna stick I'm gonna save and [TS]

00:45:38   no this is not a draft although it's [TS]

00:45:39   technically a draft i'll choose kitty [TS]

00:45:41   pryde ok nite drafting fried still would [TS]

00:45:45   be on board because there's no board as [TS]

00:45:46   it's not a draft thank you shooting and [TS]

00:45:48   she would also phase through the board [TS]

00:45:49   thank you she would she would but she's [TS]

00:45:52   not she's not going down with those [TS]

00:45:53   x-babies Celine Dion favorite x-men [TS]

00:45:56   character or two [TS]

00:45:57   well it's a good thing you pick me next [TS]

00:45:59   because I know he's going soon it has to [TS]

00:46:01   be Nightcrawler alright it's not a draft [TS]

00:46:03   he's not going anywhere but alright why [TS]

00:46:06   our group of the x-men he's so talented [TS]

00:46:08   and so underrated it's a draft Jason [TS]

00:46:10   making a dress alessi teleports there [TS]

00:46:12   with a pup with puffs of brimstone and [TS]

00:46:14   ab amp yes [TS]

00:46:16   ok so as a fellow Jewish girl from [TS]

00:46:19   suburban Chicago kitty bride was my [TS]

00:46:22   identity character but as far as [TS]

00:46:26   who i thought the most interesting and [TS]

00:46:28   compelling person in the x-men was it [TS]

00:46:32   will absolutely had to be Nightcrawler [TS]

00:46:34   and to me he sort of was the [TS]

00:46:37   personification of what the x-men were [TS]

00:46:41   about in that you have this guy who has [TS]

00:46:45   every reason to be a mopey loner hating [TS]

00:46:51   the world and instead he is this [TS]

00:46:56   delightful sweetheart of a guy who loves [TS]

00:47:01   to watch old films and fences and is [TS]

00:47:06   religious in a way that very few comic [TS]

00:47:11   book characters that I was sort of [TS]

00:47:14   exposed to then or I don't know about [TS]

00:47:16   now but goodness like a devout Catholic [TS]

00:47:19   like is that done you know in in comic [TS]

00:47:23   books and actually treated with with you [TS]

00:47:26   know some degree sometimes some degree [TS]

00:47:28   of tastefulness we won't talk about when [TS]

00:47:31   they're not fighting my fist oh oh god [TS]

00:47:34   but and at the same time like you know [TS]

00:47:38   in people called him a double people [TS]

00:47:40   called him you know like the agent of [TS]

00:47:43   satan and people you know literal town's [TS]

00:47:46   folk with pitchforks and torches came [TS]

00:47:49   after this guy and he managed not to let [TS]

00:47:53   it like Colonel his soul and is a very [TS]

00:48:00   fun person and you know very sensitive [TS]

00:48:03   and thoughtful person and just always [TS]

00:48:07   drove to be his best and I feel the way [TS]

00:48:10   about him the way i think a lot of [TS]

00:48:11   people feel about spider-man which is [TS]

00:48:14   like I hope that I would be that person [TS]

00:48:18   in that situation and it doesn't hurt [TS]

00:48:21   that he's cute [TS]

00:48:22   I'll end it with that I fuzzy elf is a [TS]

00:48:26   great case such a great character also [TS]

00:48:27   I'll that's the first German I ever [TS]

00:48:29   learned where the first Russian quite [TS]

00:48:31   frankly to where the thing [TS]

00:48:32   because as I think Monty has pointed out [TS]

00:48:35   before the way chris claremont road all [TS]

00:48:36   the dialogue is these people speak [TS]

00:48:38   english except occasionally they will [TS]

00:48:39   drop in one or two words of their native [TS]

00:48:42   language just for flavor really [TS]

00:48:44   occasionally meaning once every other [TS]

00:48:46   page never learned what the White Wolf [TS]

00:48:48   is anyone even know what what is there a [TS]

00:48:51   particular white wolf that Colossus is [TS]

00:48:53   always talking about her so just any [TS]

00:48:54   random white wolf that happens to show [TS]

00:48:56   up for going to get your writer was [TS]

00:48:58   insane to Peter and the wolf it's [TS]

00:48:59   important just decided that surely him i [TS]

00:49:04   could say well I learned most of my [TS]

00:49:05   French mall share about you can but I [TS]

00:49:09   monte and the waterfall oxygen with my [TS]

00:49:12   see it Monty do you have to have a a [TS]

00:49:14   favorite x-men or two that you would [TS]

00:49:16   like to mention i have a bizarre [TS]

00:49:19   fondness for proto gambit longshot [TS]

00:49:22   longshot are we just talking about [TS]

00:49:26   mullets god yeah and i can report that [TS]

00:49:29   according to wikipedia when they besides [TS]

00:49:33   longshots costume they decided why why [TS]

00:49:37   does somebody always have something to [TS]

00:49:39   throw [TS]

00:49:40   we better put some pouches on his outfit [TS]

00:49:42   and that's where all the poachers in the [TS]

00:49:43   nineties came from [TS]

00:49:44   I just I just learned the official name [TS]

00:49:46   a few weeks ago is only a few weeks ago [TS]

00:49:48   so that we can somebody some kind of [TS]

00:49:49   lame reference so i want to get that [TS]

00:49:51   lame reference correct i learned the [TS]

00:49:52   official title for long shots power and [TS]

00:49:57   I just a decision today i really wish i [TS]

00:49:59   had probability manipulation [TS]

00:50:01   yeah maybe that would be really i could [TS]

00:50:04   really use that which is weird because [TS]

00:50:06   that was kind of scarlet witch's at [TS]

00:50:08   scarlet was initially heard that was her [TS]

00:50:10   friend our you exactly but then she has [TS]

00:50:12   universe shuttering magic powers instead [TS]

00:50:15   yeah yeah what can I say one that's not [TS]

00:50:17   an x-man but was a new Mutant yeah mute [TS]

00:50:19   mute ensure all mute and surveillance [TS]

00:50:21   men [TS]

00:50:22   oh my yes I'd sorry much baby unit were [TS]

00:50:25   okay this is not actually a mutant but i [TS]

00:50:27   really like warlock I was going to [TS]

00:50:29   mention warlock Monty i actually was [TS]

00:50:31   going to mention Morlock he's not even [TS]

00:50:33   really a mutant iza he's an alien react [TS]

00:50:36   no alien who comes and meets the new [TS]

00:50:38   mutants that Doug know doug is cipher [TS]

00:50:41   time for the world who could talk to [TS]

00:50:43   warlock because Doug [TS]

00:50:44   a lot merge later become double lock yes [TS]

00:50:47   oh that's where i'm getting ok ok [TS]

00:50:49   there's a great i think New Mutants [TS]

00:50:50   annual warlock and impossible man have a [TS]

00:50:53   contest to see who can beat the other in [TS]

00:50:56   becoming ridiculous things and it ends [TS]

00:51:00   up with impossible man can't change [TS]

00:51:02   colors but more like a so there it's [TS]

00:51:05   fantastic [TS]

00:51:07   no warlock looks great yeah I love him [TS]

00:51:09   not actually mean [TS]

00:51:10   so I'm gonna say storm oh yeah mostly [TS]

00:51:14   because she was able to lead the team [TS]

00:51:16   even when she didn't have powers in [TS]

00:51:19   probably my favorite sequence where she [TS]

00:51:21   had a contest with Cyclops in the Danger [TS]

00:51:23   Room and she won the even though he had [TS]

00:51:25   powers and she didn't I think storm has [TS]

00:51:28   a great look when she gets the really [TS]

00:51:29   tall mohawk [TS]

00:51:30   yeah i like both her looks I like that I [TS]

00:51:32   like her punk rock from Mohawk phase and [TS]

00:51:35   i also like her like big white hair and [TS]

00:51:38   the long flowy cloak kind of kind of I [TS]

00:51:40   think they're both really cool and she [TS]

00:51:42   was a good leader [TS]

00:51:42   I also think it shows she proved that [TS]

00:51:45   you cannot be the leader of the x-men [TS]

00:51:47   and not be totally boring like Cyclops [TS]

00:51:48   so they're all my favorite bigger xmen [TS]

00:51:51   she has a great background to in that [TS]

00:51:54   instead of you know having rocks thrown [TS]

00:51:56   at her and Ali she was I goddess [TS]

00:51:59   yeah but she left that to come fight [TS]

00:52:01   evildoers anyway [TS]

00:52:02   good for her Lisa do you have a do you [TS]

00:52:05   have a favorite x-men or x-men i feel [TS]

00:52:08   like can you practice the phil hartman [TS]

00:52:09   everybody is gonna everybody good [TS]

00:52:12   everybody gets no and because she is my [TS]

00:52:14   favorite she is she's like a hundred [TS]

00:52:15   percent and again it's because I began [TS]

00:52:18   reading it right before I went to middle [TS]

00:52:19   school and you know when you're that age [TS]

00:52:22   and you're just entering adolescence you [TS]

00:52:24   almost instinctively looking characters [TS]

00:52:26   are just a few years older than you are [TS]

00:52:27   because they're more relatable their [TS]

00:52:29   kind of you want to be and so Kitty i [TS]

00:52:31   always use a contemporary and could [TS]

00:52:34   empathize acutely with with almost any [TS]

00:52:37   any storyline that she had and I locked [TS]

00:52:41   her and so she's my number one with a [TS]

00:52:44   bullet that said I have a real soft spot [TS]

00:52:47   for both karma and Mirage who were [TS]

00:52:50   introduced in the new mutants and I like [TS]

00:52:54   them precisely because they were both of [TS]

00:52:56   them were sort of force [TS]

00:52:58   sort of forced into the team as older [TS]

00:53:00   teenagers as opposed to you know being a [TS]

00:53:03   little kitty there but there are newer [TS]

00:53:04   to the mutant games that makes it [TS]

00:53:06   interesting because they were you know [TS]

00:53:08   incident having the experience kitty [TS]

00:53:11   have they have they have a different set [TS]

00:53:12   of experience with the midfielder yet [TS]

00:53:14   less experienced otherwise they both [TS]

00:53:16   lost their parents and had to grow up [TS]

00:53:18   too fast and they brought some gravitas [TS]

00:53:21   to a good pops he can see and they have [TS]

00:53:24   some of the most interesting stories um [TS]

00:53:26   karma gets kidnapped very early on in [TS]

00:53:28   the series run I I'm but I it like long [TS]

00:53:32   story short he's this telepathic [TS]

00:53:34   telepathic despot who takes her body [TS]

00:53:36   binge eating it constantly until she's [TS]

00:53:38   like 400 pounds when she's finally [TS]

00:53:41   rescued she's stranded in a desert on a [TS]

00:53:43   different dimension and wanders around [TS]

00:53:46   to all the way it falls off and she's in [TS]

00:53:47   the key [TS]

00:53:48   he seems really which seems really dumb [TS]

00:53:52   except the whole time you know she's [TS]

00:53:53   really struggling to choose out of shape [TS]

00:53:54   and she's being held hostage in a body [TS]

00:53:57   that is hideous an alien tour because [TS]

00:53:58   it's out of our control and again it's a [TS]

00:54:00   great metaphor for adolescents yeah um [TS]

00:54:03   and then a mirage Danielle Moonstar has [TS]

00:54:07   of course the iconic demon Barry saga [TS]

00:54:09   story in The New Mutants which is when [TS]

00:54:13   what and like the big seem as though you [TS]

00:54:15   have to confront the things you fear [TS]

00:54:16   because once you take them apart you [TS]

00:54:17   figure out who you are it's rewarding [TS]

00:54:19   and the more shallow superficial thing [TS]

00:54:21   is Magic turn her parents into a bear [TS]

00:54:24   both of them into one bear and she has [TS]

00:54:28   to fix it but I'm what I liked about [TS]

00:54:30   them is as they you know progressed over [TS]

00:54:33   the next 30 years when you think about [TS]

00:54:35   it they're not there they they've come [TS]

00:54:38   back and become administrators the [TS]

00:54:40   school may become instructors may become [TS]

00:54:42   mentors and they've built solid teams [TS]

00:54:44   and all sorts of experiences and they [TS]

00:54:48   haven't gone full bore cool like some [TS]

00:54:51   other x-men because you have to admit [TS]

00:54:55   that like every once in awhile [TS]

00:54:57   excellent will go off the reservation [TS]

00:54:58   spectacularly like just complete utter [TS]

00:55:00   lunacy and and that hasn't happened with [TS]

00:55:03   them yet and i like that you've got [TS]

00:55:05   these people who are pretty even-keeled [TS]

00:55:07   about things they've been punched [TS]

00:55:08   they've been punched by life a few times [TS]

00:55:10   but they just kind of go and you know [TS]

00:55:14   lean on their friends for a bit and then [TS]

00:55:15   get out and get the job done [TS]

00:55:16   like I I found that really admirable [TS]

00:55:18   that as a very young woman and I like it [TS]

00:55:20   now too [TS]

00:55:21   let's see what are we what are we [TS]

00:55:24   missing out there I I mean kitty pryde [TS]

00:55:26   was going to be what I talk about her [TS]

00:55:27   then I was gonna mention Nightcrawler I [TS]

00:55:29   i actually was gonna throw out a warlock [TS]

00:55:32   because because he was pretty cool left [TS]

00:55:35   hand so i don't know i don't know what I [TS]

00:55:38   don't know who's left to choose I when I [TS]

00:55:41   i guess i'll throw out ileana rescued [TS]

00:55:42   magic because i think that she started [TS]

00:55:45   out as a it's a just a fascinating story [TS]

00:55:47   turn with her where she's this little [TS]

00:55:49   girl she's Peter Rasputin's little [TS]

00:55:50   little sister and in the course of what [TS]

00:55:53   one panel she goes from being kidnapped [TS]

00:55:56   and sent to Limbo right and she and she [TS]

00:55:57   comes back as a teenager and and from [TS]

00:56:00   time all this time has passed in a blink [TS]

00:56:03   of an eye and then we they spend their [TS]

00:56:07   time throwing up a story of what [TS]

00:56:09   happened to her to make her into a [TS]

00:56:12   teenager over that time and it turns out [TS]

00:56:16   it was you know as you might expect from [TS]

00:56:17   being in a Hell dimension it was kind of [TS]

00:56:19   awful but she also has like a really [TS]

00:56:21   cool sword and teleportation powers so [TS]

00:56:23   she ends up being a a keep a key player [TS]

00:56:27   in in the x-men not going forward i was [TS]

00:56:30   just reading a bunch of x-men issues uh [TS]

00:56:32   recently in the in the Scott Summers has [TS]

00:56:35   a big x over his face and is a is sort [TS]

00:56:38   of feeling the magneto role and she's [TS]

00:56:40   she's pretty great in that too and she [TS]

00:56:42   still has kept her friendship with kitty [TS]

00:56:44   which I really like to then they're both [TS]

00:56:45   adults now and the relationship although [TS]

00:56:47   it has changed is still kind of [TS]

00:56:50   delightful and in that it's it's solid [TS]

00:56:52   no matter you know what water is under [TS]

00:56:54   the bridge between Kitty and her and [TS]

00:56:55   Leon is a brother for Kitty Pryde her [TS]

00:56:58   habit of dating men named Peter yeah [TS]

00:56:59   well just sighed people in comic books [TS]

00:57:02   do not learn i do love the idea that [TS]

00:57:04   they can take Kitty Pryde and and try [TS]

00:57:06   out some other storylines like putting [TS]

00:57:08   her in the guardians of the galaxy I [TS]

00:57:09   think that's really great and fun to do [TS]

00:57:12   that i just found out about the [TS]

00:57:13   development recently and it was like in [TS]

00:57:16   the middle of a barnes and noble just [TS]

00:57:18   you know going through the various [TS]

00:57:20   trades and I saw like keep ride and you [TS]

00:57:25   know Peter whatever I forget it's like [TS]

00:57:27   well i love peter will in guardians of [TS]

00:57:30   the galaxy and the two of them like [TS]

00:57:32   kissing in space and i nearly I I like [TS]

00:57:34   merely squealed out loud because it was [TS]

00:57:37   it was again that feeling of like a [TS]

00:57:41   friend of yours from long ago that you [TS]

00:57:43   just discovered like monkeys in space no [TS]

00:57:45   Oh kitties face and she's with Peter [TS]

00:57:48   Quillin oh my god that's so awesome like [TS]

00:57:51   I wanted to send her a congrats card [TS]

00:57:52   like it was just it was just the most [TS]

00:57:55   awesome development [TS]

00:57:57   I don't know where as far as I was [TS]

00:57:59   concerned that's how I felt when I found [TS]

00:58:00   out she was a professor at the school [TS]

00:58:02   the first time I was like oh good for [TS]

00:58:04   her good thing she had in her [TS]

00:58:07   it's when Sean Quinn man karma becomes a [TS]

00:58:09   lot of library at the University Chicago [TS]

00:58:11   I'm like not bad university happens a [TS]

00:58:13   great school lightweight know that it's [TS]

00:58:16   gonna do it they also put in a word is [TS]

00:58:21   not a draft I'll put in a word for Jean [TS]

00:58:22   Grey although I would actually say that [TS]

00:58:24   I think Jean Grey has gotten way more [TS]

00:58:25   interesting [TS]

00:58:26   retro actively then she was in the [TS]

00:58:28   original x-men and certainly even during [TS]

00:58:31   the the Dark Phoenix saga it was very [TS]

00:58:33   much like oh I you know know I've I'm [TS]

00:58:35   out of control and she turns evil person [TS]

00:58:38   a lot of 19 late 1970s 1980s plots [TS]

00:58:41   revolving around female excellent female [TS]

00:58:43   maybe this could all be seen as like a [TS]

00:58:45   body horror / r8 metaphor yeah because [TS]

00:58:47   it's always some poor woman getting [TS]

00:58:49   something done to her body that she had [TS]

00:58:51   said that she can't consent to she's [TS]

00:58:53   powerless to stop and just live with the [TS]

00:58:54   repercussions of so one of the clever [TS]

00:58:57   things that has happened in the x-men [TS]

00:58:59   recently is brian michael bendis did a [TS]

00:59:01   run of the all-new x-men which the [TS]

00:59:04   premise of which is totally nuts which [TS]

00:59:06   is the original x-men are brought [TS]

00:59:07   forward in time to see what's happened [TS]

00:59:09   in the marvel universe since they and [TS]

00:59:12   and and one of the things that I think [TS]

00:59:14   is really great about it is as a written [TS]

00:59:16   by Bendis Jean Grey who is immediately [TS]

00:59:20   brought to a school that's named after [TS]

00:59:22   her because she's dead [TS]

00:59:23   you know is she becomes a really [TS]

00:59:26   interesting character she doesn't have [TS]

00:59:27   most of her powers yet there yet to come [TS]

00:59:30   and she's dealing with all of the [TS]

00:59:32   expectations that surround her because [TS]

00:59:33   everybody [TS]

00:59:34   finally finding out what she does it in [TS]

00:59:36   and uh it's really kind of great and [TS]

00:59:39   that that has made me rich r actively [TS]

00:59:41   like gene green all gray a whole lot [TS]

00:59:42   more [TS]

00:59:43   I also like the fact that they that they [TS]

00:59:44   didn't like send them back in time after [TS]

00:59:46   six issues instead they basically said [TS]

00:59:48   well no you're here to stay this is you [TS]

00:59:50   know you've you know we split off from [TS]

00:59:52   your timeline and you're just going to [TS]

00:59:53   beat your younger selves are going to be [TS]

00:59:55   here with your old ourselves and you're [TS]

00:59:57   just going to have to deal with it and I [TS]

00:59:58   kind of love that too so that was a [TS]

00:59:58   kind of love that too so that was a [TS]

01:00:00   really nice weird take on the x-men that [TS]

01:00:02   I I feel like rehab Jane Jim Gray as a [TS]

01:00:05   character a lot [TS]

01:00:06   weirdly enough the ultimate x-men [TS]

01:00:08   actually rehab jean kerr crazy character [TS]

01:00:10   for me I g the well it's really cool [TS]

01:00:12   that they could put a gene and storm and [TS]

01:00:16   Kitty and Cyclops and Iceman they're all [TS]

01:00:19   on the same they're all the same age and [TS]

01:00:20   ultimate x-men so Kitty is one is on the [TS]

01:00:23   team with a bunch of other x-men but [TS]

01:00:24   they're all the same age which is a lot [TS]

01:00:26   of fun and Kitty dates spider-man for a [TS]

01:00:28   while [TS]

01:00:29   it's fun yeah and so it's you know the [TS]

01:00:32   but i think the quality of ultimate [TS]

01:00:34   x-men goes up and down depending on his [TS]

01:00:35   writing it [TS]

01:00:36   um but there's there's a lot notes [TS]

01:00:38   there's a lot of it's really charming [TS]

01:00:39   like there's one issue where there's [TS]

01:00:41   just the panel where you walk by you see [TS]

01:00:43   that Scott Summers was on the phone with [TS]

01:00:45   toad who has become good friends with [TS]

01:00:47   despite the family go to different [TS]

01:00:48   schools okay and just the fact that he's [TS]

01:00:50   on the phone talking with toad and just [TS]

01:00:52   jibber jabbering away is it's it's the [TS]

01:00:54   most I've ever like Scott Summers [TS]

01:00:55   speaking of jean grey and Scott Summers [TS]

01:00:59   i cannot remember what Marvel writer [TS]

01:01:02   this was but every time i hear the name [TS]

01:01:05   Jean Grey I think of a Marvel writer at [TS]

01:01:07   a san diego comic-con panel in probably [TS]

01:01:10   87 or 88 doing an imitation of Scott [TS]

01:01:14   Summers that went like this and graze [TS]

01:01:19   dead again my eye [TS]

01:01:26   ideally you would see the gesture we're [TS]

01:01:32   with the owl you put your fists up to [TS]

01:01:34   your eye and pull it out what you're [TS]

01:01:36   playing for the term I'm a leader I [TS]

01:01:41   leave that one of the things that [TS]

01:01:44   happens with a lot of these things [TS]

01:01:45   because it became so popular is finely [TS]

01:01:47   marbled got the idea we need to do more [TS]

01:01:48   of these they did a Wolverine miniseries [TS]

01:01:50   they started the new mutants and then [TS]

01:01:51   just as I was sort of getting out of [TS]

01:01:52   comics for 4 15 years there was an [TS]

01:01:55   explosion of new you know you get your [TS]

01:01:58   ex factors in your ex calibers and all [TS]

01:02:00   of that and I don't know if anybody has [TS]

01:02:02   particular favorites in the spin-offs i [TS]

01:02:03   will when i will mention one of mine [TS]

01:02:06   I mean already mentioned the relatively [TS]

01:02:07   recently the all-new x-men which is [TS]

01:02:09   ironically the old x-men but now they're [TS]

01:02:11   big [TS]

01:02:11   anyway i want to mention exiles because [TS]

01:02:14   i read all of exiles and i and i love it [TS]

01:02:17   and the premise of exiles is its x-men [TS]

01:02:19   from all across multiple realities to [TS]

01:02:22   form a parallel universe [TS]

01:02:24   sort of like x-men team that has to go [TS]

01:02:27   from parallel universe to parallel [TS]

01:02:28   universe correcting I guess righting [TS]

01:02:31   wrongs in parallel universes or [TS]

01:02:33   something like that the premise is [TS]

01:02:34   fine-tuned over time but huge amount of [TS]

01:02:37   fun and and they were able to cycle [TS]

01:02:40   through a lot of different alternate [TS]

01:02:41   versions of characters as they went and [TS]

01:02:45   kill people off because it was parallel [TS]

01:02:47   universes there were always more with [TS]

01:02:49   that where that came from essentially [TS]

01:02:51   and it was a pretty great pretty great [TS]

01:02:53   comic the first I mean I think they did [TS]

01:02:55   a hundred issues of the first volume and [TS]

01:02:57   i love that one a lot and it was you [TS]

01:02:59   know technically an x-men comic but [TS]

01:03:01   because it has an X in the X was bigger [TS]

01:03:03   even though it's called exile TX was a [TS]

01:03:05   large know what you know that it was [TS]

01:03:06   x-men you can't spell exiles without the [TS]

01:03:09   accent would just be miles anyway i [TS]

01:03:12   like-like exiles like it so I'm gonna [TS]

01:03:15   throw that out there any other spin-offs [TS]

01:03:17   that does come to mind I'll of X Factor [TS]

01:03:20   investigations is written by peter david [TS]

01:03:22   especially the first 50 issues herself [TS]

01:03:24   so that's x-men detective agency [TS]

01:03:26   well the premises is Magic jamie madrox [TS]

01:03:28   multiple man decides that he's not [TS]

01:03:31   really cut out for fighting and being an [TS]

01:03:33   x-men he's seen too much is to discuss [TS]

01:03:36   the bai at all [TS]

01:03:37   he's he's he's got a little bit of a [TS]

01:03:39   Philip Marlowe streak in him or a little [TS]

01:03:43   bit of a raincheck he's a little bit [TS]

01:03:44   Raymond Chandler risk and at the start [TS]

01:03:46   of X Factor investigations you find out [TS]

01:03:48   that what he's done is he's he created a [TS]

01:03:50   bunch of dupes sent them out to do [TS]

01:03:52   different things and learn as much about [TS]

01:03:53   the world as possible because he wanted [TS]

01:03:55   gain a greater understanding of the [TS]

01:03:56   world around him and yes he does solve [TS]

01:03:59   crimes for mutants or mutilated that he [TS]

01:04:02   solves cases for mutants or meet related [TS]

01:04:04   cases and his detective agency attracts [TS]

01:04:08   a couple other people who also want [TS]

01:04:10   nothing to do with with being a [TS]

01:04:12   professional accidentally Morsi it's [TS]

01:04:13   raining Sinclair who is will spain one [TS]

01:04:15   of the new mutants who has been having a [TS]

01:04:17   hard time with the whole thing and had [TS]

01:04:18   to leave Xavier Academy and disgrace and [TS]

01:04:21   he gets from your standard quota generic [TS]

01:04:24   dump that [TS]

01:04:25   guy named guido who is actually quite [TS]

01:04:26   funny and quite good at being you know [TS]

01:04:29   and he gets amazing la who was again had [TS]

01:04:33   a really weird tortured backstory [TS]

01:04:35   towards the end of the mutants and into [TS]

01:04:37   some of the other x-men spin-offs word [TS]

01:04:39   it involves like secret autistic twins [TS]

01:04:42   and a sadistic brother in another [TS]

01:04:43   dimension and it just gets weird and [TS]

01:04:46   incoherent and just anyway she's she's [TS]

01:04:50   one of Marvel's classic you know drops [TS]

01:04:52   draw bitchy one-liners and is [TS]

01:04:53   conveniently very very psychic then it [TS]

01:04:56   also has daughter banshees siren and / [TS]

01:04:59   the quick so it's kind of volatile [TS]

01:05:01   ensemble because you've got some people [TS]

01:05:02   who are seen as legacy character some [TS]

01:05:04   people have always been made to feel as [TS]

01:05:05   johnny-come-lately needs some people who [TS]

01:05:07   have felt forcibly exiled from the [TS]

01:05:09   clinicians of the x-men and they deal [TS]

01:05:11   with mutant culture and general culture [TS]

01:05:13   at large and they also have to hunt down [TS]

01:05:15   some Maddox Matt Jamie's more [TS]

01:05:17   recalcitrant duplicates who don't want [TS]

01:05:19   to be reabsorbed and assimilated [TS]

01:05:21   Wow from early on but really all the way [TS]

01:05:24   through these elements of the x-men arcs [TS]

01:05:27   that are very much like a soap opera and [TS]

01:05:29   you know especially a lot of the state [TS]

01:05:31   you know a lot of stuff in the late [TS]

01:05:32   seventies very much especially with [TS]

01:05:33   Scott jeans god woman like that get free [TS]

01:05:37   so but you know happen to love that I'm [TS]

01:05:39   staying out of this cuz I don't causing [TS]

01:05:40   trouble but i will say that i love is it [TS]

01:05:43   in every one of these some of my [TS]

01:05:45   favorite things with the reboots you [TS]

01:05:46   know well Mabel model of time to get to [TS]

01:05:48   things like new x-men astonishing x-men [TS]

01:05:50   but what I love about all of those is [TS]

01:05:52   that sense of family for better or for [TS]

01:05:54   worse and there yet there are bits there [TS]

01:05:57   are what could in some contexts be a [TS]

01:05:59   cliche but like when you haven't seen [TS]

01:06:01   the fastball special in awhile and [TS]

01:06:03   fastball special you pump your fist [TS]

01:06:06   because that's been around forever or [TS]

01:06:07   you see you know in in the same way that [TS]

01:06:10   like you know what like Johnny and Ben [TS]

01:06:13   are always going after each other [TS]

01:06:14   fantastic for these little these little [TS]

01:06:15   back-and-forth and you get the feeling [TS]

01:06:17   that there's it's almost a little bit [TS]

01:06:19   like The Sopranos where one reason a [TS]

01:06:21   good show with a big caskets good game [TS]

01:06:25   of thrones Sopranos whatever anything HP [TS]

01:06:26   I guess is next time you stop thinking [TS]

01:06:29   about how the world revolves around the [TS]

01:06:31   main guy in the main girl you get very [TS]

01:06:34   interested in going to who [TS]

01:06:35   like what's gonna happen this week [TS]

01:06:38   between the two soprano kids in that [TS]

01:06:40   relationship you don't mean in this case [TS]

01:06:42   like what there's there's always there's [TS]

01:06:44   warmth there's tension and there's an [TS]

01:06:47   innumerable number of longtime [TS]

01:06:48   storylines that can have a lot of can be [TS]

01:06:52   very moving and kind of heart-tugging [TS]

01:06:53   overtime so and I don't know again a [TS]

01:06:56   full-time talk about astonishing x-men [TS]

01:06:57   but that's where there's just pay off [TS]

01:06:59   after payoff of like stuff that's been [TS]

01:07:00   going on for years where you can use [TS]

01:07:02   hint at these things that happen you [TS]

01:07:04   know almost 20 years ago that can still [TS]

01:07:06   be very resonant 4 ppm and they had [TS]

01:07:08   something like joss whedon Peter bring [TS]

01:07:11   out a lot of what you people call the [TS]

01:07:12   fields when they brought joss whedon [TS]

01:07:16   into right astonishing x-men 2004 right [TS]

01:07:19   i mean his x-men that he loved and knew [TS]

01:07:22   was very much the x-men from the abs and [TS]

01:07:25   so it's very rare that you end up with [TS]

01:07:27   this like hey everybody here's a sequel [TS]

01:07:30   to the x-men that you like from ya from [TS]

01:07:32   20 years ago that point but from [TS]

01:07:35   somebody who really gets yeah oh yeah [TS]

01:07:37   exactly i call it wasn't his it wasn't [TS]

01:07:39   his deal breaker he he said I have to [TS]

01:07:42   have kitty pryde you have to give me [TS]

01:07:43   kitty pryde yeah yeah I believe that was [TS]

01:07:45   one of the things and was not surprising [TS]

01:07:47   because he's cited her so often as an [TS]

01:07:51   influence for buffy the vampire slayer [TS]

01:07:53   sure I started like the idea that the [TS]

01:07:56   theme of this podcast has been the kitty [TS]

01:07:58   practice pretty much the engine of the [TS]

01:07:59   expo [TS]

01:07:59   yes I think people somebody else I [TS]

01:08:01   different podcast would say that it was [TS]

01:08:03   it was a Wolverine but that's not this [TS]

01:08:05   podcast it's it's sort of a shame she [TS]

01:08:07   never broke out but maybe that's good [TS]

01:08:09   maybe that's when we have her and she's [TS]

01:08:11   our girl she's everywhere though right [TS]

01:08:12   I'm a little surprised that she hasn't [TS]

01:08:14   been prominently featured in an x-men [TS]

01:08:17   movie yet but she's always kind of on [TS]

01:08:19   the side while they kind of messed that [TS]

01:08:21   up by taking her personality and putting [TS]

01:08:22   it on road i do see but how do you back [TS]

01:08:26   out of that exactly [TS]

01:08:27   yeah somebody in the chat room is asking [TS]

01:08:29   i think this was a this is what I wanted [TS]

01:08:31   to sort of end on is if you could [TS]

01:08:35   recommend something for people to read [TS]

01:08:37   that too you know because one of the [TS]

01:08:40   challenges I found in going back to a [TS]

01:08:42   lot of the classic so-called classic [TS]

01:08:44   x-men from the eighties is the way it's [TS]

01:08:46   written it's so impenetrable because it [TS]

01:08:48   is written like a soap opera where [TS]

01:08:50   there's never a very clear into any [TS]

01:08:53   story everything is always sort of [TS]

01:08:55   multi-threaded and it's very hard to [TS]

01:08:57   pull any of it apart to get to the [TS]

01:08:59   beginning of the story and each issue is [TS]

01:09:01   just like it's like an episode of Game [TS]

01:09:03   of Thrones basically where there's like [TS]

01:09:05   five different things going on all at [TS]

01:09:07   different points and it's very hard to [TS]

01:09:09   tell what what we're where you are so [TS]

01:09:11   it's more than a lot of the other comics [TS]

01:09:13   of that era I thought you know chris [TS]

01:09:15   claremont definitely had a flowchart [TS]

01:09:16   somewhere about what he was doing so I [TS]

01:09:19   what I want to ask is it to anybody have [TS]

01:09:21   any any things that you would recommend [TS]

01:09:23   as things that people could read if this [TS]

01:09:26   if this episode makes them want to get [TS]

01:09:28   it try out or get back into the x-men we [TS]

01:09:31   mentioned Joss Whedon's run on [TS]

01:09:33   astonishing x-men which i think is [TS]

01:09:34   pretty accessible i mentioned exiles and [TS]

01:09:37   I mentioned businesses all-new x-men [TS]

01:09:38   which i think is kind of fun [TS]

01:09:40   what else are there are there other [TS]

01:09:42   things out there that we we might do [TS]

01:09:43   suggest people i'm gonna be hard for [TS]

01:09:46   Newton's classic I was that's where i [TS]

01:09:49   was going to go to starting with New [TS]

01:09:50   Mutants number 26 specifically yeah [TS]

01:09:53   which is where bilson cabbage is making [TS]

01:09:55   the art crazy and amazing with Walker [TS]

01:09:59   isn't well I don't know you could just [TS]

01:10:01   started number one you're gonna get [TS]

01:10:03   you're gonna meet the entire team and [TS]

01:10:05   now and the great the reason i would [TS]

01:10:06   recommend actually start at the [TS]

01:10:07   beginning and going all the way through [TS]

01:10:08   is because this book works as a great [TS]

01:10:11   entry into the X universe because it has [TS]

01:10:14   you introduced two different x-men and [TS]

01:10:16   the whole premise of this of the whole [TS]

01:10:18   premise and everybody in the whole [TS]

01:10:19   universe everybody it through the eyes [TS]

01:10:20   of people have gotten thrown into it [TS]

01:10:22   just like the reader but you're right [TS]

01:10:23   Monty it gets it gets super it gets [TS]

01:10:25   super goes from being really [TS]

01:10:26   conventional to be extremely weird right [TS]

01:10:29   and 26 is for me where the height of the [TS]

01:10:32   weirdest starts because that's where the [TS]

01:10:34   multi-issue storyline of Legion had [TS]

01:10:38   oh god professor X's son has every [TS]

01:10:42   mutant power but he he also has every [TS]

01:10:45   personality so every mutant power is [TS]

01:10:47   headed by every purchase a different [TS]

01:10:49   personality people have to go into his [TS]

01:10:51   minded it is crazy and amazing soon to [TS]

01:10:55   be an FX television series [TS]

01:10:58   ok lol anyway by the way uh in Deadpool [TS]

01:11:01   you briefly see that negasonic teenage [TS]

01:11:03   warhead is wearing a new mutants uniform [TS]

01:11:06   instead of an x-men uniform and I think [TS]

01:11:07   that's awesome [TS]

01:11:09   yes teenage i think i would suggest um [TS]

01:11:12   uh days the the original days of future [TS]

01:11:15   past [TS]

01:11:16   yeah maybe one and I know that it's one [TS]

01:11:22   of those things where instance is an [TS]

01:11:23   alternate reality and it's in you know [TS]

01:11:25   like a future that the may or may not [TS]

01:11:29   happen and you see everyone sort of sped [TS]

01:11:32   up and half the in the in you know the [TS]

01:11:35   older older cells and your kitty pryde [TS]

01:11:37   is now like a grown woman [TS]

01:11:38   it's one of those things where you end [TS]

01:11:39   up sort of reverse engineering reality [TS]

01:11:42   from what's presented as a very dramatic [TS]

01:11:45   alternate reality or a possible future [TS]

01:11:47   but it set up so much of the tone I feel [TS]

01:11:54   like of what came after at least in the [TS]

01:11:56   nineties that I saw of you know that [TS]

01:11:59   with the Sentinels in the just this [TS]

01:12:02   feeling of being hunted that you know it [TS]

01:12:07   just sort of accelerated all of that and [TS]

01:12:09   I felt I remember feeling that it was [TS]

01:12:12   more mature than a lot of the stuff that [TS]

01:12:14   i had read until then and that it just [TS]

01:12:19   was a very it ended up you know it so [TS]

01:12:24   much so much i sort of flown off it over [TS]

01:12:26   the years that it it feels like a [TS]

01:12:30   seminal event so that's that's we issued [TS]

01:12:33   141 and 142 of smack dab in the middle [TS]

01:12:36   of the john byrne chris claremont air [TS]

01:12:39   yeah if you want to be specific 190 when [TS]

01:12:41   i looked it up i looked up that was [TS]

01:12:43   super influential that that whole yeah [TS]

01:12:45   the burn the burn [TS]

01:12:47   I think most people would say the hover [TS]

01:12:48   super play John [TS]

01:12:50   turn chris claremont run in uncanny [TS]

01:12:53   x-men is is probably considered by [TS]

01:12:55   comics needs to be the definitive set of [TS]

01:12:57   issues and that includes the Dark [TS]

01:13:00   Phoenix story and days of future past so [TS]

01:13:03   but it's also a comic from the 19 from [TS]

01:13:06   1981 so you have to come to get Union [TS]

01:13:08   mindset that I was flipping through the [TS]

01:13:11   giant hardback that Merlin mentioned [TS]

01:13:13   earlier because i also have it Wolverine [TS]

01:13:15   sure called storm abroad a lot [TS]

01:13:20   he's on pc Syrian kid pushes the archie [TS]

01:13:24   bunker in my beloved uncanny x-men [TS]

01:13:26   annual number 5 storm actually snaps [TS]

01:13:29   back at him that he you know that he [TS]

01:13:31   wouldn't no tact if it came up and beat [TS]

01:13:33   him over the head [TS]

01:13:34   it's a lovely moment it's a special time [TS]

01:13:36   in any girl's life when they when they [TS]

01:13:38   transition from being a pumpkin to be in [TS]

01:13:40   abroad in the Marines I sweet such as [TS]

01:13:43   much quisiera some-some my lives are [TS]

01:13:47   some cultures have a big felt like a [TS]

01:13:49   party to mark about that day when they [TS]

01:13:51   smashed the puzzle college you know [TS]

01:13:52   that's how smashing pumpkins that's sure [TS]

01:13:56   it's the right turns out turns out I i [TS]

01:13:59   am you know III there's part of me that [TS]

01:14:01   you know what's the point people back to [TS]

01:14:03   giant-size x-men just because i have a [TS]

01:14:05   lot of affinity for that but i gotta to [TS]

01:14:07   that are super obvious because i do not [TS]

01:14:09   have the deep catalog which all have I [TS]

01:14:12   gotta say astonishing x-men gifted the [TS]

01:14:15   just Whedon and is jon cassidy yeah one [TS]

01:14:18   that's me is like the prisoner of [TS]

01:14:20   azkaban of x-men that's the one where [TS]

01:14:22   you know no matter if you if you've [TS]

01:14:25   never like had a lick of this stuff if [TS]

01:14:27   you if you're totally new to this [TS]

01:14:29   it's surprisingly gettable fairly [TS]

01:14:32   quickly if you're super confused there [TS]

01:14:34   are resources figure for figuring it out [TS]

01:14:35   but like there's great storytelling in [TS]

01:14:38   that where you don't need to know that [TS]

01:14:40   that much when when when Wolverine shows [TS]

01:14:42   up you get that he and Scott have a past [TS]

01:14:46   having to do with Jean you do not need [TS]

01:14:48   wikipedia to figure that out you will [TS]

01:14:49   figure that out but astonishing x-men [TS]

01:14:51   has a better so again like prisoner of [TS]

01:14:53   azkaban which i consider the best of the [TS]

01:14:55   books and movies Harry Potter um it's [TS]

01:14:57   one where like if you if you are into [TS]

01:14:59   its extreme [TS]

01:15:00   only satisfying it's kind of right in [TS]

01:15:03   the pocket it's not it's not too it's [TS]

01:15:05   not too simple [TS]

01:15:05   it's not too complicated but astonishing [TS]

01:15:07   accident but if you stick with it [TS]

01:15:08   through all the volumes you'll get to [TS]

01:15:10   some very you'll really get that even if [TS]

01:15:12   you haven't been with x-men for long [TS]

01:15:14   you're going to get super attached to [TS]

01:15:15   these characters and their their their [TS]

01:15:18   wonderful skills are on full display [TS]

01:15:21   you know and by the end of the other one [TS]

01:15:22   is like it's coming from the other angle [TS]

01:15:24   if you're somebody who's like oh yeah [TS]

01:15:26   i've read a couple image titles and I [TS]

01:15:28   don't like superheroes i'm just going to [TS]

01:15:30   say try new x-men you'll actually I [TS]

01:15:32   think you'll appreciate astonishing [TS]

01:15:33   x-men a lot more if you have read new [TS]

01:15:35   x-men new x-men is really really weird [TS]

01:15:38   and I think you know grant morrison has [TS]

01:15:41   tractors for apparently very good [TS]

01:15:43   reasons and rioted saviors storyline all [TS]

01:15:46   it's so good [TS]

01:15:47   the stuff with the don't spoil anything [TS]

01:15:50   but some some really creative pretty [TS]

01:15:52   hallucinogenic there's one issue very [TS]

01:15:55   famous issues currently on my iPad lock [TS]

01:15:58   screen with it is done i think it has [TS]

01:16:02   maybe one dialogue balloons in the [TS]

01:16:05   entire thing it's done completely with [TS]

01:16:07   the most hallucinogenic mainstream comic [TS]

01:16:10   art you're likely to see but very well [TS]

01:16:12   execute crazy amounts of like super [TS]

01:16:14   string storytelling and also very [TS]

01:16:16   important that if it matters to you [TS]

01:16:18   I think this might be where I feel like [TS]

01:16:23   this is where Emma like first starts [TS]

01:16:25   really helping out she realizes there's [TS]

01:16:26   some stuff for she has unique skills [TS]

01:16:28   that could really help people [TS]

01:16:30   this is when I think this is one point [TS]

01:16:31   when she really becomes part of the team [TS]

01:16:33   and it's also guys was hugely into vegas [TS]

01:16:36   alongside Ultimates but very influential [TS]

01:16:39   on the movie so if you like the the [TS]

01:16:41   leather boy uniforms and those movies [TS]

01:16:43   you like these but i thought was great i [TS]

01:16:45   thought it was a nice development of all [TS]

01:16:47   the characters over x the new x-men by [TS]

01:16:49   Grant Morrison and mostly frank quitely [TS]

01:16:51   and then but the primary 1i can say [TS]

01:16:53   without reservation is start with [TS]

01:16:56   astonishing x-men gifted with the just [TS]

01:16:58   Whedon and John Cassady yeah i totally [TS]

01:17:01   agree on new x-men 2 i loved i also love [TS]

01:17:04   the introduction of new characters in [TS]

01:17:05   new x-men i love the separate cookies [TS]

01:17:07   oh yeah all god that's great it's the [TS]

01:17:09   hivemind to hive mind uh it's Emma Frost [TS]

01:17:12   is mine [TS]

01:17:12   hivemind babies yeah yeah because we [TS]

01:17:16   find out later that they were they were [TS]

01:17:17   closed without her consent and [TS]

01:17:19   permission or knowledge and that there's [TS]

01:17:22   there's originally there's five of them [TS]

01:17:23   and they're they're mean girls and their [TS]

01:17:27   delightful it's if these are series that [TS]

01:17:30   i did not even know existed and now i'm [TS]

01:17:31   just-just feeling my money just run out [TS]

01:17:34   of my wallet [TS]

01:17:35   do you know are all these available / um [TS]

01:17:38   which is a marvel yes I was going to [TS]

01:17:42   mention if you really want to dive into [TS]

01:17:44   the x-men the best way to do it is to [TS]

01:17:46   get Marvel a minute [TS]

01:17:48   it's such a bargain such a party yeah it [TS]

01:17:51   is so if you're if you are thinking of [TS]

01:17:52   doing a deep dive marvel unlimited you [TS]

01:17:55   can you it's ten dollars a month so if [TS]

01:17:57   you want to just try it for a month for [TS]

01:17:59   ten dollars you get access to as many [TS]

01:18:03   issues as you can read in the month for [TS]

01:18:06   ten dollars and if if you're at all [TS]

01:18:09   intrigued by it i believe it's sixty [TS]

01:18:11   nine dollars a year but i will tell you [TS]

01:18:13   reading sixty nine dollars worth of new [TS]

01:18:16   comics will take you like a half an hour [TS]

01:18:19   so if you use a if you use it at all the [TS]

01:18:24   yearly i use the yearly plan for that [TS]

01:18:26   and it's a great deal because if i read [TS]

01:18:27   like 15 comics I've basically paid for a [TS]

01:18:30   year and then I've got the rest of the [TS]

01:18:32   year to read even more comics but [TS]

01:18:33   certainly it's a great deal at ten [TS]

01:18:35   dollars if you want to dive back into [TS]

01:18:37   the x-men archive because most of this [TS]

01:18:38   stuff is there [TS]

01:18:39   i do recommend having a tablet because [TS]

01:18:41   it feels right it's the right side yes [TS]

01:18:44   yeah i agree i love reading it on my [TS]

01:18:45   iPad but one thing I feel like I want to [TS]

01:18:47   stipulate for myself you know if you [TS]

01:18:49   want to get all John syracuse about this [TS]

01:18:50   yes you absolutely can go back and read [TS]

01:18:54   from 1963 [TS]

01:18:55   I'm gonna say don't there's a good let's [TS]

01:18:57   call it 12 years of x-men you could read [TS]

01:19:00   it there's lots of great stuff you get [TS]

01:19:01   to learn about you know you learn about [TS]

01:19:03   magneto you get to learn about you know [TS]

01:19:05   all kinds of stuff like your don't feel [TS]

01:19:08   like you have to read is don't feel like [TS]

01:19:10   you have to rely didn't mention even [TS]

01:19:11   like even if you want to start at the [TS]

01:19:12   beginning of the x-men is such a [TS]

01:19:14   tortured history it was the wikipedia [TS]

01:19:16   article says and I don't know if this is [TS]

01:19:17   actually true but in knowing what I know [TS]

01:19:19   about the early days of Marvel Comics I [TS]

01:19:21   believe it that the x-men was invented [TS]

01:19:24   because Stanley was tired of it [TS]

01:19:25   finding new origins for characters and [TS]

01:19:27   it's AP and they were born with it yeah [TS]

01:19:29   that's it haha excels regardless which [TS]

01:19:34   it was it was the weakest of all of the [TS]

01:19:37   you think of the core more the reason [TS]

01:19:38   people in the eighties had never heard [TS]

01:19:40   of the x-men was because the x-men was [TS]

01:19:43   the flop of all of those Stanley Jack [TS]

01:19:46   Kirby comics made in the sixties and [TS]

01:19:48   then it went into rerun it had actual [TS]

01:19:50   reruns in their issues by they were [TS]

01:19:53   buying monthly and they were doing [TS]

01:19:54   reprints at to keep it in print but it [TS]

01:19:57   was basically they wouldn't even invest [TS]

01:19:58   any time it or and money and making new [TS]

01:20:01   stories and then if you must be a [TS]

01:20:03   completist i would say then what what [TS]

01:20:06   happened was they did giant-size x-men [TS]

01:20:07   number one and then that led to the [TS]

01:20:09   revival of uncanny x-men that's when the [TS]

01:20:11   new x-men were introduced and and those [TS]

01:20:15   are the ones that we know that's your [TS]

01:20:17   Wolverine Nightcrawler storm era it's [TS]

01:20:20   it's a it's a it's there so that is in [TS]

01:20:23   many ways where it started off in [TS]

01:20:25   reading those old issues on Marvel [TS]

01:20:27   unlimited is hilarious because you you [TS]

01:20:29   see her for quite a while they were [TS]

01:20:30   still bimonthly so it was a low-priority [TS]

01:20:33   comic but at least it existed and then [TS]

01:20:36   there's the period where it rapidly [TS]

01:20:38   accelerates into becoming a phenomenon [TS]

01:20:40   and you can you can see it happen [TS]

01:20:41   whether we're going to be monthly now [TS]

01:20:43   and and it became a priority for Marvel [TS]

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01:20:53   really catch on [TS]

01:20:55   alright well we should probably wrap it [TS]

01:20:56   up this has been a great delving into [TS]

01:20:58   into into mutant kind and I'm sure we'll [TS]

01:21:01   do it what we did with all those other [TS]

01:21:02   old episodes of the uncomfortable which [TS]

01:21:03   is come back and revisit this in other [TS]

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01:21:10   it was nice to have a little little [TS]

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01:21:14   point for mutants i would like to thank [TS]

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01:21:17   Marlon man it's always a pleasure to [TS]

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