The Incomparable

54: Put on this Mask and Strut for Mama


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00:00:03   the incomparable podcast number 54 [TS]

00:00:09   August 2011 so we're back on the [TS]

00:00:14   uncomfortable i'm jason l it is the [TS]

00:00:17   comma club I convene this meeting of the [TS]

00:00:20   comic book club joining me today in the [TS]

00:00:22   studio to talk about comic related [TS]

00:00:25   issues are jason reitman hi Jason [TS]

00:00:27   hey everyone the price of comics is very [TS]

00:00:29   high that's not what i mean by issues or [TS]

00:00:31   or comic issues individual issues of [TS]

00:00:33   comics what our individual issues of [TS]

00:00:35   comics yes exactly and Lisa Schmeisser [TS]

00:00:38   is also here hi Lisa I'm unloading all [TS]

00:00:40   of my individual issues of comics all [TS]

00:00:42   right anybody wants them [TS]

00:00:43   well everybody needs to get rid of their [TS]

00:00:44   issues and move on [TS]

00:00:47   that's just how it is anyway our topic [TS]

00:00:50   today is bryan cave on the writer of [TS]

00:00:53   many different comics in very many [TS]

00:00:55   different places he's also written some [TS]

00:00:57   TV [TS]

00:00:59   I think you wrote i think i counted five [TS]

00:01:01   episodes of lost he's written [TS]

00:01:02   screenplays he's done all sorts of other [TS]

00:01:04   things but I think we're going to focus [TS]

00:01:06   on three of his comics in particular [TS]

00:01:10   Runaways what you did for Marvel which [TS]

00:01:12   is in many ways the last creator kind of [TS]

00:01:15   Creator created not you know for a [TS]

00:01:19   corporate entity comic at Marvel and I [TS]

00:01:21   at least the only one I can think of in [TS]

00:01:24   a long time where a really strong piece [TS]

00:01:26   of intellectual property was actually [TS]

00:01:27   created out of nothing by a writer which [TS]

00:01:31   is interesting because usually they just [TS]

00:01:32   take it and build their own series of [TS]

00:01:34   grounded and they own all the characters [TS]

00:01:35   but he created that for Marvel and then [TS]

00:01:37   just we can pick it up later into the [TS]

00:01:39   series of that the two creator-owned [TS]

00:01:41   Brian cable on series that we're going [TS]

00:01:43   to talk about our y the last man and ex [TS]

00:01:48   machina so we've got three bryan cave on [TS]

00:01:51   topics to go on today and I just I was [TS]

00:01:56   cramming this week I i read the rest of [TS]

00:01:58   ex machina which I hadn't finished and i [TS]

00:02:00   went back and re-read y the last man so [TS]

00:02:03   I'm ready [TS]

00:02:04   nice whose idea was it to do this [TS]

00:02:06   podcast by the way Lisa's life was mine [TS]

00:02:08   alright Lisa maybe you can get us [TS]

00:02:10   started then which what would you like [TS]

00:02:12   to tackle first [TS]

00:02:13   that's a good question i was gonna ask [TS]

00:02:16   what everyone thinks of the runaways [TS]

00:02:18   because in many ways I feel like it's [TS]

00:02:20   his Titus cleanest work and i would love [TS]

00:02:23   to hear opinions on whether and I I find [TS]

00:02:27   that interesting because it's a piece of [TS]

00:02:29   work for marble which doesn't have a [TS]

00:02:32   vested interest in making sure that [TS]

00:02:33   comic books are tight and clean but [TS]

00:02:35   rather has a vested interest in making [TS]

00:02:36   sure they've got a narrative that can [TS]

00:02:38   flogged for years and years and years of [TS]

00:02:39   the time and get if you read the first [TS]

00:02:42   step in someone different ways that he [TS]

00:02:44   wrote it's it's an excellent standalone [TS]

00:02:45   series you can walk away from it when it [TS]

00:02:47   was done and never have to pick it up [TS]

00:02:49   again and you have a very satisfying [TS]

00:02:51   book I'm the beauty of creating new [TS]

00:02:53   characters as you can start clean and [TS]

00:02:55   tell a relatively clean story in a way [TS]

00:02:56   you can if you have to go back over [TS]

00:02:58   everything with the story is just really [TS]

00:03:00   it hangs together beautifully [TS]

00:03:02   I think we should just blow the spoiler [TS]

00:03:05   alert for now so that we can continue [TS]

00:03:07   this question let's talk about the [TS]

00:03:09   fundamental premise of it before we blow [TS]

00:03:11   this boiler Hornet because it doesn't [TS]

00:03:13   really spoil it to say that the [TS]

00:03:14   fundamental premise is what happens if [TS]

00:03:16   you discover that your parents and all [TS]

00:03:17   of their boring friends that they hang [TS]

00:03:19   out with once a year are actually cabal [TS]

00:03:21   of supervillains encompassing everything [TS]

00:03:23   isn't great with the big concept is [TS]

00:03:25   actually was going to say that I guess I [TS]

00:03:27   think it's safe to say he's the best [TS]

00:03:29   concept guy in the industry like I'd [TS]

00:03:32   love to be in the pitch meetings because [TS]

00:03:33   all of his books can do that one [TS]

00:03:35   sentence pitch we just go that's a [TS]

00:03:37   brilliant idea [TS]

00:03:38   his pitches are basically tweets right [TS]

00:03:40   yeah dimensions really has a best the [TS]

00:03:43   best elevator pitch practice would be [TS]

00:03:45   sadly I do think those are the best [TS]

00:03:46   parts of his book haha the he's got the [TS]

00:03:50   high-concept really well and then it [TS]

00:03:52   starts to me breaking down on the this [TS]

00:03:55   the character story and it i always [TS]

00:03:58   enjoy the concepts more than I enjoy the [TS]

00:04:00   stories so with that makes sense [TS]

00:04:01   ok so with Runaways the the way it's [TS]

00:04:05   played is is a is really interesting [TS]

00:04:08   they the kids discover this about their [TS]

00:04:11   parents and that initial arc is i think [TS]

00:04:15   i think really amazing now it does [TS]

00:04:18   continue on beyond that and that's I [TS]

00:04:20   think where you get into this question [TS]

00:04:21   of what is the premise here is there [TS]

00:04:23   enough to sustain it when does it become [TS]

00:04:24   just sort of an endless story of you [TS]

00:04:27   know these characters having adventures [TS]

00:04:29   for [TS]

00:04:30   this is telling an arc where it the [TS]

00:04:32   other two books do have an arc and they [TS]

00:04:34   do have an ending Runaways is a marvel [TS]

00:04:36   comic it's open-ended and they'd sort of [TS]

00:04:39   solve the mystery of their parents and [TS]

00:04:41   then they move on like a very get the [TS]

00:04:44   story right [TS]

00:04:45   really really good in that first arc [TS]

00:04:47   talking about the characters do you [TS]

00:04:49   remember any of their names his carolina [TS]

00:04:51   who is the space alien yeah and a [TS]

00:04:53   lesbian she's a lesbian there is alex [TS]

00:04:55   who is the brainy guy who ultimately [TS]

00:04:58   sells out the team there's Molly who's [TS]

00:05:01   the mutant there's Gertrude who is [TS]

00:05:03   bonded to the Tyrannosaurus Rex and [TS]

00:05:05   she's basically the brains of the [TS]

00:05:06   operation always the young one to write [TS]

00:05:09   always the very young team care about [TS]

00:05:10   any of these people i have to admit i [TS]

00:05:12   have a fondness for Gertrude ID Act [TS]

00:05:15   which you know so like I said just read [TS]

00:05:19   that are because if you really like her [TS]

00:05:20   teacher like what happens liquor [TS]

00:05:22   um and what you actually kind of look a [TS]

00:05:26   little bit like Richard again it's [TS]

00:05:27   probably a typical process on the [TS]

00:05:29   podcast with the glasses and the hair [TS]

00:05:31   yeah glasses and the hair it's there to [TS]

00:05:33   I'm and god help me i'm trying i'm [TS]

00:05:35   blanking on the last to her the goth [TS]

00:05:37   girl / / which Oh Nico and with the with [TS]

00:05:42   the with the wanderer can only cast what [TS]

00:05:44   the each spell one time you know which i [TS]

00:05:46   think is a wonderful and interesting [TS]

00:05:47   limitation and because it forces her to [TS]

00:05:50   get creative and again be brilliant [TS]

00:05:52   concept that's the one that I didn't [TS]

00:05:54   really read for this podcast and I'm [TS]

00:05:56   trying to remember the name of the kid [TS]

00:05:57   who flies the ship and his girlfriend's [TS]

00:05:59   boyfriend she's not coming to me that [TS]

00:06:01   actually Carolina is the one that I that [TS]

00:06:05   I remember [TS]

00:06:06   yeah and I you know i love i love the [TS]

00:06:09   whole premise of naturalistic hippie [TS]

00:06:11   supervillain well well I i really like i [TS]

00:06:15   really like and and this is a maybe this [TS]

00:06:18   is why joss whedon was so attracted two [TS]

00:06:21   Runaways too because one of the things I [TS]

00:06:23   liked about Buffy especially is that [TS]

00:06:25   whole game of taking these tropes from [TS]

00:06:28   sci-fi and comics and fantasy and [TS]

00:06:30   wrapping regular everyday growing up but [TS]

00:06:34   you know adolescent heartbreak in those [TS]

00:06:37   concepts and Runaways does that like [TS]

00:06:40   Buffy did that and carolina is a great [TS]

00:06:42   example of that because she's got all [TS]

00:06:43   these [TS]

00:06:44   powers but she discovers she's not [TS]

00:06:45   really who she thought she was because [TS]

00:06:47   she's an alien and then she discovers [TS]

00:06:48   she's not who she thought she was [TS]

00:06:50   because she's a lesbian and it's you [TS]

00:06:53   know I I kind of love that kind of its [TS]

00:06:55   like the rent in yeah she's kind of a [TS]

00:06:57   willow analog in a lot of ways which but [TS]

00:07:00   that said I don't think it's so much [TS]

00:07:01   about the characters is it is about what [TS]

00:07:03   a great concept is your you discover you [TS]

00:07:05   know these are kids superheroes have to [TS]

00:07:07   fight their parents they literally [TS]

00:07:08   rebelling against their parents because [TS]

00:07:10   their parents are evil and was really [TS]

00:07:13   that was really sweet about the way that [TS]

00:07:14   they wrap that up as their parents who [TS]

00:07:16   admittedly you're evil and self-serving [TS]

00:07:18   are also step up to the plate as parents [TS]

00:07:20   the very last minute all right they are [TS]

00:07:22   their parents and the parents love them [TS]

00:07:23   yeah it's just happened as a weevil [TS]

00:07:25   which which is you could have had the [TS]

00:07:26   turn [TS]

00:07:27   you know in a lesser story which would [TS]

00:07:29   have been we didn't like you anyway use [TS]

00:07:31   we're evil blah and it's no its day [TS]

00:07:34   they're quite upset about this and try [TS]

00:07:35   to explain you know why it is the way it [TS]

00:07:38   is it in a more and it is taking more [TS]

00:07:41   serious than something like always abyss [TS]

00:07:44   is that the name of the comic words the [TS]

00:07:45   the kid discovers that his dad is a [TS]

00:07:48   supervillain it's a very similar kind of [TS]

00:07:49   thing and there's a he controls a robot [TS]

00:07:51   it'sit's another comic with a similar [TS]

00:07:53   premise but it's played for laughs and [TS]

00:07:56   one of the things I like about Runaways [TS]

00:07:58   is that it feels more emotionally [TS]

00:08:00   genuine if there's a Runaways issue and [TS]

00:08:04   i can't remember if it's actually bryan [TS]

00:08:05   cave on her Joss Whedon wrote later [TS]

00:08:07   where you find out that Molly has been [TS]

00:08:09   having a series of dreams or nightmares [TS]

00:08:10   where she dreams that her parents are [TS]

00:08:11   still alive and everything is the way it [TS]

00:08:14   was before she knew what they were about [TS]

00:08:15   because she misses her parents and is [TS]

00:08:18   brian k yeah and it's a fantastic it's a [TS]

00:08:21   fantastic issue because it reminds you [TS]

00:08:23   that even though these kids had to grab [TS]

00:08:25   with the fact that their parents are [TS]

00:08:26   super villains who tried to sell the [TS]

00:08:27   planet to a bunch of interdimensional [TS]

00:08:29   aliens look first and foremost they were [TS]

00:08:32   mom and dad and they love their mom and [TS]

00:08:34   dad we miss them very much and i'm not [TS]

00:08:36   going to solve them to the alien just [TS]

00:08:38   going to come with them [TS]

00:08:39   yeah right yeah and there was the whole [TS]

00:08:40   well you were going to betray us see [TS]

00:08:42   your kid could live in there like yes [TS]

00:08:44   that's what you're going to do so before [TS]

00:08:46   you get on your high horse about it you [TS]

00:08:48   know [TS]

00:08:48   mote in the eye but I like this story [TS]

00:08:52   because it's fast-paced it is you have [TS]

00:08:54   to move its boom boom and [TS]

00:08:56   I like that it's a peek into the marvel [TS]

00:08:59   vs where people tend to regard folks [TS]

00:09:01   like Captain America and or the mutants [TS]

00:09:03   not as you know torture protagonist and [TS]

00:09:05   interesting characters but is a didactic [TS]

00:09:07   pains in the rear end and there was no [TS]

00:09:11   costumes [TS]

00:09:12   yes no crimes really they tried the code [TS]

00:09:15   names they realize how silly they were [TS]

00:09:16   and that's what i liked about it was it [TS]

00:09:18   subverts all of those conventions so it [TS]

00:09:20   sort of has all the things that I that I [TS]

00:09:22   liked about the new mutants yeah when [TS]

00:09:24   they started except without the [TS]

00:09:26   superhero x-men tractions they're just [TS]

00:09:29   Custer on their own and then that's the [TS]

00:09:31   whole point of what waterways premises [TS]

00:09:33   really there the anti x-men there the [TS]

00:09:35   x-men without a professor x they're just [TS]

00:09:38   on their own [TS]

00:09:39   that's all the guy do like that Marvel's [TS]

00:09:42   kept the premise where the runaways were [TS]

00:09:43   like you know we're not really planning [TS]

00:09:44   on hanging out with anybody we're pretty [TS]

00:09:46   happy with just of the bunch of us even [TS]

00:09:49   when later they had the robot and in the [TS]

00:09:51   hope that there was a couple of Runaways [TS]

00:09:53   x-men chromosomal crossover yeah yeah [TS]

00:09:57   and apparently Molly beats up Wolverine [TS]

00:09:59   and in one of them from what i can [TS]

00:10:01   remember which is very funny because [TS]

00:10:02   he's like a world full of depowered [TS]

00:10:03   mutants that girl has to keep our but [TS]

00:10:06   yeah [TS]

00:10:07   womp womp right kind of harkens back to [TS]

00:10:09   and Wolverine powerpack used to buy a [TS]

00:10:11   classic yeah but everybody loves the [TS]

00:10:14   powerpack I think it just you know a [TS]

00:10:15   little girl kicking Wolverines ask never [TS]

00:10:17   gets never sold a powerpack I really [TS]

00:10:19   that explains a little girl tonight so [TS]

00:10:21   powerpack was you know book about little [TS]

00:10:25   kids for four little kids is how I [TS]

00:10:27   always read that and I just fairly or [TS]

00:10:29   not that's how I always readily read it [TS]

00:10:31   now Runaways is not okay read it now [TS]

00:10:34   because the that's my impression I was a [TS]

00:10:36   kid and I just recently gonna ride this [TS]

00:10:38   baby scour book right I was the x-men [TS]

00:10:40   the it's written for comic fans who have [TS]

00:10:45   kids [TS]

00:10:45   uh-huh and if you have kids and you read [TS]

00:10:48   it into a whole different experience [TS]

00:10:51   let's go up and is the first 25 issues [TS]

00:10:53   are some of the most enjoyable comic i [TS]

00:10:55   did not think we would be endorsing [TS]

00:10:56   power pack during this is Right slight [TS]

00:10:59   tangent there [TS]

00:11:00   Wow no that's okay that does bring up a [TS]

00:11:03   really interesting podcast the future [TS]

00:11:04   which is one of the comics you plan on [TS]

00:11:05   reading with or to your kids that's a [TS]

00:11:07   great one as parents here for all [TS]

00:11:10   no experience no and Jill Thompson has a [TS]

00:11:12   series called Trixie the magic girl and [TS]

00:11:13   I thought hey I have a daughter named [TS]

00:11:15   Trixie you can be darn sure i'm going to [TS]

00:11:16   be a stocking up on those books for her [TS]

00:11:18   for when she's older [TS]

00:11:19   yeah absolutely yes I'm doing that with [TS]

00:11:22   my daughter [TS]

00:11:22   slowly i went i won't found her asleep [TS]

00:11:25   with the Marvel encyclopedia open on her [TS]

00:11:27   chest the other you're raising right [TS]

00:11:29   yeah my son who's just turned to can [TS]

00:11:33   pick out spider-man which is good and [TS]

00:11:35   the agency's win my son and I had to [TS]

00:11:37   have a talk about spider-man and Batman [TS]

00:11:38   because he has lots of Batman stuff and [TS]

00:11:42   I had to explain how spider-man is [TS]

00:11:44   absolutely better than that man not and [TS]

00:11:47   and that he was wrong in thinking Batman [TS]

00:11:50   was so great but we we came to an [TS]

00:11:52   agreement broke up a deal brokered by my [TS]

00:11:54   wife where we explain that [TS]

00:11:56   that man's got cooler stuff and so of [TS]

00:12:00   course kids are gonna love the batman [TS]

00:12:01   toys because Batman does have cooler [TS]

00:12:03   stuff there's no double spider-man's [TS]

00:12:04   just got himself but that man's got [TS]

00:12:05   every gadget imaginable in the toy line [TS]

00:12:08   you can get like a spider mobile and a [TS]

00:12:10   spider playing well and all that that [TS]

00:12:12   was what my spider-sense spider-man [TS]

00:12:14   totally has a car and a jet and a [TS]

00:12:16   motorcycle make wow that hurts you know [TS]

00:12:18   I wonder kids gravitate to DC more than [TS]

00:12:20   marble though because my nephew's are [TS]

00:12:22   both really big into DC decent is the [TS]

00:12:25   coolest superhero also did he's always [TS]

00:12:26   done the the day [TS]

00:12:28   cartoons yeah really wanted growing up [TS]

00:12:30   for us was to justice league game so [TS]

00:12:32   we're totally on a tangent here there's [TS]

00:12:34   just there's a book series called DC [TS]

00:12:35   Super Pets which is the pets of the [TS]

00:12:37   superhero like Rex the wonder dog is [TS]

00:12:39   fantastic and that my son absolutely [TS]

00:12:42   adores wow so he's in he's now thrilling [TS]

00:12:46   to the adventures of Krypto the Superdog [TS]

00:12:47   and his pals who are all they all are [TS]

00:12:51   analogues there the Mets of each one of [TS]

00:12:54   them is as their their person is a super [TS]

00:12:56   I have to read this isn't dying to find [TS]

00:12:59   out right now Julien may loan you some [TS]

00:13:00   of his compensate for Colin's nicely [TS]

00:13:02   says that it is we're in this little kid [TS]

00:13:04   let's jump it up to [TS]

00:13:06   y the last man ok the incredible totally [TS]

00:13:09   adult because y the last man premise [TS]

00:13:11   which everyone should know is every [TS]

00:13:13   person with the y-chromosome animal or [TS]

00:13:16   human dies immediately one second doll [TS]

00:13:21   dead drop dead except for one guy [TS]

00:13:23   and instead monkey who is also mail he [TS]

00:13:25   was also mail and so I mean and that's [TS]

00:13:27   how many of us i haven't had those [TS]

00:13:29   dreams of being the last guy on the [TS]

00:13:31   planet and what that would entail right [TS]

00:13:32   and the answer is that it's actually [TS]

00:13:34   kind of kind of stuff like that yeah [TS]

00:13:36   that's the beauty of it is is that it's [TS]

00:13:38   an apocalypse story with this with this [TS]

00:13:41   really great twist which is ok if it's [TS]

00:13:45   just women on the planet [TS]

00:13:46   what happens then and although [TS]

00:13:49   interesting that it's written by a man I [TS]

00:13:50   always found that little bit strange [TS]

00:13:52   that all the characters women except for [TS]

00:13:53   except for Yorick and the monkey & % [TS]

00:13:56   greatest name for a month whatever yes I [TS]

00:14:00   always thought that was a little strange [TS]

00:14:01   that they this world of women is [TS]

00:14:03   conceived of by a man by male writers [TS]

00:14:05   always thought that was a little odd [TS]

00:14:06   just me now but I was going to say about [TS]

00:14:09   it is one of the things I've actually [TS]

00:14:13   grappled with our reading that book is [TS]

00:14:15   you have a plethora of strong well [TS]

00:14:17   written characters and I thought to [TS]

00:14:18   myself [TS]

00:14:19   absolutely none of these people these [TS]

00:14:20   women would ever be included or make it [TS]

00:14:23   in a book that was supposed to be mixed [TS]

00:14:24   gender and the only way that you have so [TS]

00:14:26   many strong female characters is by [TS]

00:14:28   absolutely eliminating every other man [TS]

00:14:30   on the planet or in or in this [TS]

00:14:31   traditional fictitious universe and I [TS]

00:14:34   think it says something about the state [TS]

00:14:37   of comics in general that in order for [TS]

00:14:39   readers to accept a universe full of [TS]

00:14:42   flawed well-rounded strong resourceful [TS]

00:14:46   evil plot in calculating in other words [TS]

00:14:50   fully dimensional female characters the [TS]

00:14:52   only way that people could apparently [TS]

00:14:53   swallow that was by okay of course these [TS]

00:14:55   people stepped into the room now there [TS]

00:14:57   are no man on the planet [TS]

00:14:58   um it's it's kind of sad away there's a [TS]

00:15:01   funny moment where they where they [TS]

00:15:03   mentioned actually in the last issue [TS]

00:15:05   that I mean that Iran has the has the [TS]

00:15:08   bomb [TS]

00:15:08   they've built a nuclear bomb and it's [TS]

00:15:11   aii that really struck me because it is [TS]

00:15:14   he's saying you know we could take all [TS]

00:15:17   the men out of the equation but people [TS]

00:15:19   are people even integers but it is [TS]

00:15:20   alright then very slowly i'll get back [TS]

00:15:22   to human nature as the story goes on and [TS]

00:15:25   the natives start getting back to the [TS]

00:15:26   nation's and the tribes and yeah yeah [TS]

00:15:29   well what's interesting is how much of [TS]

00:15:31   the first third of the book you have [TS]

00:15:34   some people who take a look at this [TS]

00:15:35   planetary event is [TS]

00:15:36   it's radically change society I mean [TS]

00:15:38   that's the whole point to the daughters [TS]

00:15:39   of the Amazon and then you have some [TS]

00:15:42   people who are doing everything they can [TS]

00:15:44   to try to maintain this this society [TS]

00:15:47   that were like the ones at the sons of [TS]

00:15:49   America or the sons of Arizona Arizona [TS]

00:15:51   yeah yeah where you know ocean and the [TS]

00:15:53   government right the US government is [TS]

00:15:55   trying to do that to the Secretary of [TS]

00:15:56   Agriculture isn't have a branded United [TS]

00:15:58   States and its pretty I think it's true [TS]

00:16:02   to life in a way that you know if you [TS]

00:16:04   put if you were to lose an entire gender [TS]

00:16:05   you're not gonna say who now is the [TS]

00:16:07   exciting opportunity for us to rethink [TS]

00:16:09   gender constructed and move on you first [TS]

00:16:12   met orders is survival and to do that [TS]

00:16:16   you may want to stick with the societal [TS]

00:16:19   patterns and philosophies that you know [TS]

00:16:21   work for you already [TS]

00:16:22   but you know it does over time [TS]

00:16:27   gender become so much less relevant I [TS]

00:16:29   think that that's what makes the last [TS]

00:16:31   issue so powerful is so much is made of [TS]

00:16:35   york being the only man four so much and [TS]

00:16:37   then by the last issue you just see how [TS]

00:16:38   completely irrelevant he's become [TS]

00:16:40   because there is no longer a man kind of [TS]

00:16:42   womankind there's just humankind there's [TS]

00:16:44   a default doesn't include man and and [TS]

00:16:46   wish you know gender is a role as more [TS]

00:16:50   or less obsolete or gender is a [TS]

00:16:51   construct I mean that the cloned matter [TS]

00:16:53   seen more as oddities and they are as a [TS]

00:16:54   as a standard standard human beings i [TS]

00:16:59   think because while you're reading it [TS]

00:17:00   you're really thinking that there they [TS]

00:17:02   gotta preserve humanity why bye little [TS]

00:17:06   man and and and let's get a breeding [TS]

00:17:08   stock together and eventually will get [TS]

00:17:09   back to normal menu flash forward to [TS]

00:17:10   when your kids 18 you see that most [TS]

00:17:12   unlike actually pretty comfortable [TS]

00:17:13   clothing we're happy with it in fact [TS]

00:17:15   effective particle and it's hard to [TS]

00:17:17   climb n so we don't do it very often but [TS]

00:17:19   when clone women really easily grasped [TS]

00:17:21   yeah before it got to the point there's [TS]

00:17:23   a really nice sort of scene in the book [TS]

00:17:25   where they were talking about the [TS]

00:17:26   animals that have gone extinct have a [TS]

00:17:28   sense that that the the rodents that one [TS]

00:17:30   because of the 18-month gestational [TS]

00:17:32   cycle right a fly's went extinct within [TS]

00:17:34   a half an hour after it and then yeah [TS]

00:17:37   but that's right they they say they're [TS]

00:17:38   no rats because the rats would have gone [TS]

00:17:39   extinct except in there are rats because [TS]

00:17:41   nature finds away and the rats in the [TS]

00:17:43   trashcan the sharks could do that [TS]

00:17:45   matches [TS]

00:17:46   yes so I why not anyone else a lot of a [TS]

00:17:49   lot [TS]

00:17:49   fish and a lot of reptiles do it now [TS]

00:17:50   what i thought was interesting was the [TS]

00:17:52   last one remember you find out that [TS]

00:17:53   there's they're working to support the [TS]

00:17:55   poachers against the lions and I thought [TS]

00:17:56   that was nice to rupted to point out [TS]

00:17:59   that you were still going to have these [TS]

00:18:00   terrible phenomenon where people are [TS]

00:18:02   hunting and killing their animals [TS]

00:18:03   because they can [TS]

00:18:05   there was some editing job of showing [TS]

00:18:07   how women weren't all sugar and spice [TS]

00:18:10   and everything nice and the in the book [TS]

00:18:13   and they also showed how people are kind [TS]

00:18:15   of blinker by cultural assumptions [TS]

00:18:16   because to go back to it again like the [TS]

00:18:17   women in the Dreamtime and they point [TS]

00:18:19   out that women on the African savannah [TS]

00:18:20   we're hardly affected because their [TS]

00:18:23   lives had been so sharply segregated [TS]

00:18:24   anyway that you know if a man dies so [TS]

00:18:27   what we're still hunters gatherers we've [TS]

00:18:29   always been we always will be friends in [TS]

00:18:33   DC everything falls apart and they point [TS]

00:18:36   out that you know that there are so many [TS]

00:18:38   professions that were so predominantly [TS]

00:18:39   male in order to return to level of [TS]

00:18:41   technological competence you'd have to [TS]

00:18:42   search far and wide and how do you build [TS]

00:18:44   up that knowledge base again and what [TS]

00:18:47   nations have advantages for example [TS]

00:18:48   australia has a huge advantage because [TS]

00:18:50   it had women who could operate [TS]

00:18:51   submarines and that's something the u.s. [TS]

00:18:53   didn't have I mean in real life women [TS]

00:18:56   are only now beginning to get training [TS]

00:18:57   in the u.s. Navy for submarines see this [TS]

00:19:00   one of those things that that not to get [TS]

00:19:01   all you know postmodern here but I was a [TS]

00:19:04   comm major so it is why the last man [TS]

00:19:08   feminist is it anti-feminist is it [TS]

00:19:13   something in between because I can go [TS]

00:19:15   both ways right on one level what you [TS]

00:19:17   said about how you know one of the [TS]

00:19:19   stories is look women can be just as bad [TS]

00:19:21   as men right i mean that is one of the [TS]

00:19:23   things that happens in this which to me [TS]

00:19:25   is not necessarily a positive message [TS]

00:19:28   it's sort of saying look if we take many [TS]

00:19:30   of the equation you'll see the women are [TS]

00:19:32   just as capable of all the terrible [TS]

00:19:33   things that men are but at the same time [TS]

00:19:35   it also makes lots of comments about how [TS]

00:19:37   women are given opportunities in our [TS]

00:19:41   world that they that they finally get [TS]

00:19:43   only after this ridiculous catastrophe [TS]

00:19:45   happens and then there's you know in [TS]

00:19:48   between that this a lot of time spent on [TS]

00:19:51   on gender not mattering so you know i'm [TS]

00:19:55   not quite sure what I think it's it [TS]

00:19:56   there's a lot here obviously and it's [TS]

00:19:58   probably a little bit of all those [TS]

00:19:59   things but but I I'm kind of ambivalent [TS]

00:20:02   about I can [TS]

00:20:03   say this is a you know it's a feminist [TS]

00:20:06   work that is about why women you know [TS]

00:20:09   have all these things that are never [TS]

00:20:11   allowed to do except maybe on the metal [TS]

00:20:13   level of commentary that usually you [TS]

00:20:14   don't see it took a couple semesters of [TS]

00:20:17   feminist theory in college and grad [TS]

00:20:19   school and I'm sorry you know i mean i [TS]

00:20:21   was a comm major so ya know what i was [TS]

00:20:24   going to say is is you I that's kind of [TS]

00:20:26   a loaded question as just because [TS]

00:20:27   there's so many different definitions of [TS]

00:20:28   feminism is true what you can do is you [TS]

00:20:30   can argue that y the last man maybe [TS]

00:20:32   feminist from a classical feminist [TS]

00:20:34   perspective where the gold classical [TS]

00:20:36   feminism is to make sure that there's [TS]

00:20:37   equal access and opportunity for all [TS]

00:20:39   genders but you can also argue that y [TS]

00:20:41   the last man is not feminist if you look [TS]

00:20:44   at feminism as being defined by gender [TS]

00:20:46   essentialism or if you look at feminism [TS]

00:20:48   is being defined by again like [TS]

00:20:51   postmodernist feminists who would say [TS]

00:20:53   that it's all just a societal construct [TS]

00:20:55   and and on and on it goes so I don't [TS]

00:20:59   think you can say definitively it's [TS]

00:21:00   feminists are not feminist I think what [TS]

00:21:01   you can say is it's just a look at what [TS]

00:21:05   happens when you take an entire gender [TS]

00:21:08   and it's societal constructions out of [TS]

00:21:09   the picture what happens to people rush [TS]

00:21:11   to fill that void with something that [TS]

00:21:13   feels familiar do they try to rewrite [TS]

00:21:16   the definitions of gender or does gender [TS]

00:21:18   become completely irrelevant of the [TS]

00:21:20   rushing to fill the void it was [TS]

00:21:21   interesting they focus on this a couple [TS]

00:21:23   times in the book the women who dress up [TS]

00:21:25   as men and act as prostitutes [TS]

00:21:27   oh yeah you're probably talking about [TS]

00:21:29   the transsexuals you know that the the [TS]

00:21:31   female-to-male transsexuals were [TS]

00:21:33   tremendously popular that they mentioned [TS]

00:21:35   that a couple times in the series 2 [TS]

00:21:36   because these were women who were [TS]

00:21:38   essentially going to put men to feel the [TS]

00:21:40   a filling the rolls [TS]

00:21:41   yeah everybody comes down to if if you [TS]

00:21:44   lose half of your planet maybe you're [TS]

00:21:46   like oh my god when we do now and [TS]

00:21:48   instead of thinking all blank slate with [TS]

00:21:50   recast society or like let's try to fill [TS]

00:21:53   in the blanks because this is how we [TS]

00:21:55   know how to function [TS]

00:21:56   you know it's like putting a spare tire [TS]

00:21:58   on a car rather than saying let's find [TS]

00:22:00   an exciting new automotive paradigm [TS]

00:22:02   where we have a cloud of air we float on [TS]

00:22:04   now [TS]

00:22:05   yeah I I i can't help thinking though [TS]

00:22:07   that it comes back to the fact that this [TS]

00:22:11   is a he knows he knows that there are [TS]

00:22:14   all sorts of different things going on [TS]

00:22:16   here [TS]

00:22:16   and he tries to address that he's got [TS]

00:22:17   the supermodel who is collecting dead [TS]

00:22:20   bodies which is kind of an interesting [TS]

00:22:21   commentary he's he's extremely aware of [TS]

00:22:24   all the gender issues that are going on [TS]

00:22:26   in what he's writing that this isn't [TS]

00:22:28   just a story about the protagonist is a [TS]

00:22:30   man 2 let's just say that [TS]

00:22:31   yorick is the protagonist so it's a man [TS]

00:22:33   riding the man is the main character [TS]

00:22:35   even in a world where all the other men [TS]

00:22:37   are dead they still managed to have one [TS]

00:22:39   guy who is the protagonist let him into [TS]

00:22:41   the day with damsel-in-distress he's [TS]

00:22:43   totally in your desktop like oh yeah the [TS]

00:22:45   only characters not the only got like [TS]

00:22:46   five is like a slacker loser there was a [TS]

00:22:49   real magician brainstorming nothing [TS]

00:22:51   redeemable about him as a character [TS]

00:22:53   yeah he doesn't even have any [TS]

00:22:54   outstanding personal qualities no he [TS]

00:22:56   wasn't that interesting so again you [TS]

00:22:58   know it's it's there's his perspective [TS]

00:23:01   and yet he's the last and he's he's [TS]

00:23:03   messed up he's not he's kind of a [TS]

00:23:05   slacker right um so all all that's going [TS]

00:23:08   on and yet you know again my my my comm [TS]

00:23:11   major speaking here is at the same time [TS]

00:23:14   the male rider to male-dominated comic [TS]

00:23:16   industry more more i think even now we [TS]

00:23:19   could say more comics readers are men [TS]

00:23:21   then women right although it's I think [TS]

00:23:25   that composition is changing and that [TS]

00:23:27   you can't you can't just assume [TS]

00:23:29   commentators are men like you could in [TS]

00:23:31   the past me it was not true then it's [TS]

00:23:33   really not true now and I've been seen [TS]

00:23:35   at comic-con and other places totally [TS]

00:23:37   not true but i have to say that and I [TS]

00:23:39   also have to say male rider and all this [TS]

00:23:41   the while it's logical that you would [TS]

00:23:46   have lots of lesbianism in a post mail [TS]

00:23:50   world because people are still sexual [TS]

00:23:51   creatures and they you know and there [TS]

00:23:53   are no man anymore and so it doesn't [TS]

00:23:54   matter what your preferences you got no [TS]

00:23:56   choice here [TS]

00:23:57   there were times when I thought that the [TS]

00:24:01   you know it's hard for me to watch [TS]

00:24:04   scenes of lesbian lesbianism in popular [TS]

00:24:07   culture especially written by a man and [TS]

00:24:09   not think of who the audience's dear [TS]

00:24:11   penthouse you never thought it would [TS]

00:24:13   happen that one day one day i'm inclined [TS]

00:24:16   and then and then and right down to the [TS]

00:24:20   last issue the last issue [TS]

00:24:21   yeah we're in flesh squishing you have [TS]

00:24:23   here on Beth get together and exactly [TS]

00:24:26   they don't skimp on the details which is [TS]

00:24:28   probably not unrealistic [TS]

00:24:30   again but at the same time I don't know [TS]

00:24:31   I'm kind of conflicted because it's also [TS]

00:24:33   a guy riding probably for more men than [TS]

00:24:36   women scenes with lesbians kissing and [TS]

00:24:39   having sex and it's like yes I think [TS]

00:24:42   extrapolation wise it's right in that [TS]

00:24:43   same time on like how much of this is [TS]

00:24:45   serious [TS]

00:24:47   I'm telling a story and this is what [TS]

00:24:48   would happen how much of it is sort of [TS]

00:24:50   titillation right and i think it did it [TS]

00:24:52   varied because they were sometimes what [TS]

00:24:53   happened that it did move the story [TS]

00:24:55   along and it was there is like here for [TS]

00:24:58   development and other times it did feel [TS]

00:24:59   more others got a little safe world plot [TS]

00:25:02   safeword plotline were your account ASAP [TS]

00:25:04   I'm experience because it's supposed to [TS]

00:25:06   exercises 454 guilty for being the last [TS]

00:25:08   man on the planet and I was weird [TS]

00:25:10   really really this is where you're gonna [TS]

00:25:12   go with this so early in the series but [TS]

00:25:14   yea to return I think the whole what i [TS]

00:25:16   thought was interesting about brian [TS]

00:25:17   bondus he basically wrote a whole series [TS]

00:25:19   where I feel like your kids kind of the [TS]

00:25:22   shaggy dog in the story because use the [TS]

00:25:24   MacGuffin well because you're lucky [TS]

00:25:27   about how much energy agent 355 and [TS]

00:25:30   allison man and everybody else two votes [TS]

00:25:32   to keeping him alive for the propagation [TS]

00:25:33   of the species only at the end to figure [TS]

00:25:36   out that their aims and their goals were [TS]

00:25:38   completely obsolete and so is York and [TS]

00:25:41   that's what unfolds over the whole [TS]

00:25:42   series is the idea that focusing on the [TS]

00:25:44   last managed to completely misplaced [TS]

00:25:45   focus because obviously he's just a [TS]

00:25:48   leftover he's not necessary to the [TS]

00:25:50   propagation of the species not even [TS]

00:25:51   necessary to to the women his live-in in [TS]

00:25:54   his life and um in cerritos one of the [TS]

00:25:57   things that the the it [TS]

00:25:59   the ending was a little unsatisfying for [TS]

00:26:02   me because so much was invested in him [TS]

00:26:05   in the journey the adventure the finding [TS]

00:26:08   the solution that kind of bit and it is [TS]

00:26:10   the end he doesn't matter because you [TS]

00:26:12   don't like that doesn't matter you feel [TS]

00:26:14   like but I get the journey was the point [TS]

00:26:17   or maybe it was maybe just maybe shift [TS]

00:26:19   in the society or maybe it does matter [TS]

00:26:21   I mean right because because it's not as [TS]

00:26:22   if at the end it's just him and a bunch [TS]

00:26:24   of women at the end he is boiler horn [TS]

00:26:30   at the end there is a clone of him and [TS]

00:26:35   there are 13 other clones of 79 or 17 [TS]

00:26:38   and he had a baby right yeah well he had [TS]

00:26:40   a baby with Beth which was Beth to right [TS]

00:26:42   there are three characters in better [TS]

00:26:44   than this [TS]

00:26:44   yeah but by the way i like to call her [TS]

00:26:46   the night it's very confusing and I [TS]

00:26:49   don't like original bet there's the [TS]

00:26:50   Russian that is the mean and there's the [TS]

00:26:51   Russian baby who is a boy [TS]

00:26:53   yeah right well we're not because it was [TS]

00:26:55   will about his brilliant a reveal as [TS]

00:26:57   I've seen in any comic where they [TS]

00:26:59   discovered that the astronauts up but at [TS]

00:27:01   the Russian space station are still [TS]

00:27:02   alive because they weren't on earth yeah [TS]

00:27:04   that was that was a pretty great missing [TS]

00:27:06   her a man and a woman and then die if i [TS]

00:27:09   were those men i would be like I'm never [TS]

00:27:10   leaving this notation up while they were [TS]

00:27:12   there because they run out of oxygen [TS]

00:27:13   have to come back say I was gonna 212 so [TS]

00:27:17   it's like a year into the serious [TS]

00:27:18   suddenly there's two more men in the [TS]

00:27:20   cosmos right well Brian Vaughn great at [TS]

00:27:22   the at the long reveal because he did [TS]

00:27:24   that in X market which we'll get to in a [TS]

00:27:26   second I wanted to I wanted to say [TS]

00:27:28   anyway my point about the last issue is [TS]

00:27:31   that because there the clones there [TS]

00:27:33   there is this question like well maybe [TS]

00:27:34   now there is a role for men in this [TS]

00:27:37   world because there are these clone [TS]

00:27:39   York's going around but it's not it's [TS]

00:27:41   not the we have to save society by [TS]

00:27:45   having men which is the original premise [TS]

00:27:47   is you you are meant to read it as this [TS]

00:27:50   standard he's the last man we got to [TS]

00:27:52   keep him alive because it's the only [TS]

00:27:54   hope for the human race and i love how [TS]

00:27:55   he pulls that away and says now it's not [TS]

00:27:58   all the whole premise you thought was [TS]

00:27:59   true it's not true and then again at the [TS]

00:28:01   end he goes but doesn't mean that it [TS]

00:28:04   didn't matter [TS]

00:28:04   maybe in the long run he has a place [TS]

00:28:07   it's just not he's not the solution to [TS]

00:28:09   the the Savior he's not the savior of [TS]

00:28:11   the human race York Brown is not going [TS]

00:28:14   to sadies Irish floats are as useless as [TS]

00:28:16   he was [TS]

00:28:16   yes this is also dream maybe this is [TS]

00:28:18   actually another to get back to home at [TS]

00:28:21   a commentary question and especially [TS]

00:28:23   Brian Vaughn is writing a story you know [TS]

00:28:25   a man is writing a story and for a [TS]

00:28:27   male-dominated medium for a [TS]

00:28:28   male-dominated audience and so instead [TS]

00:28:30   of writing a term paper on that one but [TS]

00:28:31   what I'm saying is by the last episode [TS]

00:28:33   but he's basically saying our men in [TS]

00:28:35   this world have become what women in the [TS]

00:28:37   comics book narrative often are which is [TS]

00:28:39   the throw home which is the present [TS]

00:28:41   which is present the present [TS]

00:28:43   it there occasionally useful and or [TS]

00:28:45   amusing but you're not going to put them [TS]

00:28:47   front and center as protagonist they're [TS]

00:28:50   not going to be useful I don't let me [TS]

00:28:51   just terrified that was it doesn't make [TS]

00:28:54   you feel dirty [TS]

00:28:54   yeah it was really your clone okay [TS]

00:28:57   pretty boy come yeah yeah put on this [TS]

00:29:00   task instructor mama but the issue 61 [TS]

00:29:06   yes interesting though the to the your [TS]

00:29:11   character kind of a slacker useless guy [TS]

00:29:13   that as you're reading you want him to [TS]

00:29:15   do more you want him to be more and more [TS]

00:29:17   but I had the same thing reading x [TS]

00:29:19   makina with Marilyn hunt mirror hundred [TS]

00:29:22   hundred hundred before we get to sx [TS]

00:29:24   market because I know you're trying to [TS]

00:29:25   make a transition have one more thing to [TS]

00:29:26   talk about about why the last man which [TS]

00:29:28   is brian capons most noted work i want [TS]

00:29:31   to talk about why i want to talk about [TS]

00:29:33   why the plague happened because i think [TS]

00:29:36   we talked about the ending a little bit [TS]

00:29:37   and i like that there was an ending but [TS]

00:29:40   but the people often look for answers to [TS]

00:29:43   questions posed in works of fiction [TS]

00:29:45   I've discovered this and and sometimes [TS]

00:29:47   the answers aren't as important as the [TS]

00:29:51   journey that the story takes the process [TS]

00:29:54   of discovery yeah and so in and i'm [TS]

00:29:56   actually going to quote this from in [TS]

00:29:58   issue 57 y the last man there's a scene [TS]

00:30:00   after York and death finally get [TS]

00:30:02   together for a brief moment before it [TS]

00:30:05   all falls apart that is so romantically [TS]

00:30:07   phrase compared to what actually happens [TS]

00:30:09   perfect yeah yeah they're basically see [TS]

00:30:10   each other they have sex and then the [TS]

00:30:11   break up yeah and and admit that that [TS]

00:30:14   there were other people in between so [TS]

00:30:16   but there's this great moment when [TS]

00:30:18   because the the in the central mystery [TS]

00:30:21   to this series is why did this happen [TS]

00:30:23   right and it's it's so not about that i [TS]

00:30:26   mean it's the driver but it's not what [TS]

00:30:28   the series is about the series is about [TS]

00:30:29   this world and what would happen and the [TS]

00:30:32   journey that they take and I think this [TS]

00:30:35   is is really great that he addresses it [TS]

00:30:36   directly in issue 57 worry York says [TS]

00:30:39   turns out the crap that saved me is [TS]

00:30:43   connected to what cost to gendercide [TS]

00:30:44   monkeys and clones and some kind of more [TS]

00:30:47   thing as far as answers go it was [TS]

00:30:49   vaguely unsatisfying and Beth says after [TS]

00:30:52   everything we've been through [TS]

00:30:54   is there any explanation that would have [TS]

00:30:55   been satisfactory [TS]

00:30:57   and for a guy who also was on the [TS]

00:30:59   writing staff of lost i think that's [TS]

00:31:00   really interesting is it's the same [TS]

00:31:02   philosophy and saying look I know you [TS]

00:31:04   want to answer questions but you know [TS]

00:31:07   that's not the point and and bryan cave [TS]

00:31:09   on is on the record as saying the answer [TS]

00:31:11   to what caused the gendercide in why is [TS]

00:31:14   in it somewhere but i want readers to [TS]

00:31:17   find out which one may they find most [TS]

00:31:18   acceptable right there lots of theories [TS]

00:31:20   in the books one of them is right he's [TS]

00:31:21   not going to say which one in which you [TS]

00:31:23   know what i think is genius [TS]

00:31:24   I kind of don't care right I think I [TS]

00:31:26   kind of love that we don't know we have [TS]

00:31:28   a lot of ideas because you know life is [TS]

00:31:29   kinda like that it is messy and [TS]

00:31:31   sometimes you just don't know what [TS]

00:31:32   really the answer if you had a definite [TS]

00:31:34   answer by saying oh well you know [TS]

00:31:36   clearly it was caused by the elder dr. [TS]

00:31:39   man or clearly was caused by XYZ you [TS]

00:31:41   have a billion internet fans jumping on [TS]

00:31:43   board and I can't be [TS]

00:31:44   that's wrong and here's the science and [TS]

00:31:45   here's the breakdown here's why and [TS]

00:31:47   instead you have all these fans who are [TS]

00:31:49   debating with the possible causes and it [TS]

00:31:51   still allows them to retain their [TS]

00:31:54   delight in the story as opposed to [TS]

00:31:55   saying well this could have been a great [TS]

00:31:57   series accept the premise for why people [TS]

00:31:58   died off is totally flawed and once you [TS]

00:32:00   move past that I guess it's ok you can [TS]

00:32:02   believe what you want to believe because [TS]

00:32:03   I sort of like that the the why it [TS]

00:32:07   happened kind of became a non-issue [TS]

00:32:10   because obviously when a crisis happens [TS]

00:32:12   why is an interesting academic kind of [TS]

00:32:15   discussion to have the affiliate doesn't [TS]

00:32:17   matter i suppose that the the question [TS]

00:32:20   embedded in the title of the story right [TS]

00:32:22   y the last man right yeah and the answer [TS]

00:32:25   is why not [TS]

00:32:26   yeah exactly what did you think of the [TS]

00:32:28   ending I before we move on I want to I [TS]

00:32:31   want to go back to that because my [TS]

00:32:33   impression is that it was kind of [TS]

00:32:34   controversial the last issue is set 60 [TS]

00:32:36   years in the future [TS]

00:32:37   although there are some flashbacks to [TS]

00:32:39   the intervening time and I'm you know [TS]

00:32:42   people endings are hard and and people [TS]

00:32:45   don't we do we talked about that before [TS]

00:32:46   and people often find them unsatisfying [TS]

00:32:49   although honestly you know usually I [TS]

00:32:52   rarely remember the ending of books i [TS]

00:32:53   remember all the great things that i [TS]

00:32:54   liked about the books and I don't get [TS]

00:32:56   all angry about the ending but I think [TS]

00:32:58   with cereal stuff like TV shows and [TS]

00:32:59   comics you invest all that time and then [TS]

00:33:01   you're like oh I wanted to be a good [TS]

00:33:03   ending [TS]

00:33:03   it's not like the ending is what at [TS]

00:33:05   least from my perspective makes [TS]

00:33:08   the story like all the great stories [TS]

00:33:10   it's because they have a great ending [TS]

00:33:12   alright it ties together when you think [TS]

00:33:14   about yeah why you like something the [TS]

00:33:16   end of such a key part if not the reason [TS]

00:33:19   and for this it really felt like the [TS]

00:33:23   ideas petered out and maybe it was sort [TS]

00:33:25   of like as time marches on these [TS]

00:33:27   questions became less important in [TS]

00:33:28   society we did itself and i was moving [TS]

00:33:30   into a new golden age blah blah whatever [TS]

00:33:32   it to me kind of sell it felt like it [TS]

00:33:36   was petering out and it especially when [TS]

00:33:39   they spoil alert you know killed agent [TS]

00:33:42   three months ago and it seems so [TS]

00:33:44   arbitrary and almost randomly right why [TS]

00:33:48   so there's two things happening here [TS]

00:33:49   there's the penultimate storyline and [TS]

00:33:52   then there's the final issue so the [TS]

00:33:53   penalty Australian i agree with you know [TS]

00:33:55   they wrapped it up way too fast and it [TS]

00:33:56   was just this like do [TS]

00:33:57   yeah we talked about this with planetary [TS]

00:33:59   and actually very similar where I really [TS]

00:34:01   liked loved the last issue as in kota [TS]

00:34:04   yeah but when they had to wrap up all [TS]

00:34:06   the plotlines before that seems awfully [TS]

00:34:08   sudden yeah and Israeli terror these [TS]

00:34:10   really militia squad is here and she's [TS]

00:34:13   got this year's and we killed characters [TS]

00:34:15   off and you know it was like we had to [TS]

00:34:18   end it seemed awfully abrupt ya too [TS]

00:34:20   because we wanted to use it is this is [TS]

00:34:22   why I liked Runaways is because the [TS]

00:34:24   ending on that actually seems like a [TS]

00:34:26   really natural stopping point and the [TS]

00:34:28   pace makes sense whereas my the last man [TS]

00:34:31   in annex market which we'll get to later [TS]

00:34:32   and y the last man it feels like he gets [TS]

00:34:36   to see what 60 issues for y the last man [TS]

00:34:38   he gets like issue 53 and was like crap [TS]

00:34:41   I've gotta wrap this up right and right [TS]

00:34:44   so you live here at last that last that [TS]

00:34:46   last whys and wherefores story arc which [TS]

00:34:49   is the I need to I need to wrap this up [TS]

00:34:52   and four issues and and it is you know [TS]

00:34:55   it is not it's certainly exciting but [TS]

00:34:59   and it and it has some impact [TS]

00:35:01   emotionally to have that the death of of [TS]

00:35:04   agent 355 and and also the emotional [TS]

00:35:07   impact that she finally finishes her [TS]

00:35:08   scarf and gives it to your a after [TS]

00:35:10   needing it for the entire that's the [TS]

00:35:11   thing [TS]

00:35:12   my wife is a knitter she loves that [TS]

00:35:13   there's this kick-ass secret agent [TS]

00:35:15   Ritter that was all fine but when you [TS]

00:35:19   step back and you like wait a second [TS]

00:35:21   what just [TS]

00:35:21   happened it kinda doesn't work [TS]

00:35:25   no well there's some you if you look at [TS]

00:35:28   the art for me okay Benson Sandman now [TS]

00:35:30   the art is kind of all over the map and [TS]

00:35:32   very very striking in that it's such a [TS]

00:35:34   relic of when it was produced but one of [TS]

00:35:36   the things I've always really loved [TS]

00:35:37   about that series is that it's very [TS]

00:35:40   obviously deliberately plotted out to [TS]

00:35:43   where the ending makes sense and they do [TS]

00:35:45   have like a 45 issued a new mom we're [TS]

00:35:48   all the loose ends get wrapped up and [TS]

00:35:50   you as a reader are left with a sense [TS]

00:35:52   that my time paying attention this has [TS]

00:35:54   been well spent [TS]

00:35:55   whereas with bryan cave on it's just [TS]

00:35:59   weird because he does spend a lot of [TS]

00:36:00   time carefully building this world and [TS]

00:36:02   laying down these themes or or laying [TS]

00:36:05   down the storytelling elements and then [TS]

00:36:06   it's just so fast the end I don't know [TS]

00:36:08   it's a pacing problem or if it's a [TS]

00:36:11   member i don't like it's like you got [TS]

00:36:12   canceled and there was not only for [TS]

00:36:14   issues he chose his ending day baby [TS]

00:36:16   that's why we like his the runaways [TS]

00:36:18   better as in that the corporate comic [TS]

00:36:21   thing there is no ending yeah right so [TS]

00:36:23   things just go on a serial nature [TS]

00:36:24   because again endings are not all [TS]

00:36:26   writers are good at end is neil gaiman [TS]

00:36:28   happens to be good attending yeah [TS]

00:36:29   garthe's good endings but the funny [TS]

00:36:32   thing is the V the ending in issue 60 of [TS]

00:36:38   y which is about the big picture is not [TS]

00:36:42   about the overarching plot it's a it's [TS]

00:36:45   about where the characters end up and [TS]

00:36:47   what happens to the society to your [TS]

00:36:49   point about Brian Vaughn being good at [TS]

00:36:50   the big concept it's the conclusion of [TS]

00:36:52   the big concept i thought that was [TS]

00:36:55   beautiful and I actually really liked [TS]

00:36:57   how x mark and i ended [TS]

00:36:59   similarly because on the biggest does a [TS]

00:37:01   great job collateral [TS]

00:37:02   oh my god very strong it's just that his [TS]

00:37:05   plot resolution which was in the [TS]

00:37:07   previous stuff and you're like that was [TS]

00:37:09   not as good but but I i left i love both [TS]

00:37:11   of those feeling good about having read [TS]

00:37:13   them mostly because the last issue did [TS]

00:37:17   work for me even if the the plot [TS]

00:37:19   resolution was messy [TS]

00:37:21   I don't know for what it's worth no best [TS]

00:37:22   last panels i would say because I [TS]

00:37:24   remember after i finished issue 16 y the [TS]

00:37:26   last man I just SAT and stared the last [TS]

00:37:28   page for a while those last three or [TS]

00:37:30   four pages with no dialogue or are [TS]

00:37:31   beautiful and then with x mark and i did [TS]

00:37:33   the same thing when I just looked at the [TS]

00:37:35   this page for a while and was just like [TS]

00:37:36   oh my god what just happened so that [TS]

00:37:40   will move on now to ex machina which is [TS]

00:37:42   a 50 issue series that was also [TS]

00:37:44   relatively recently concluded about [TS]

00:37:46   Mitchell hundred is that it is who is [TS]

00:37:48   the mayor of New York for one term for [TS]

00:37:50   one term and and this universe is only [TS]

00:37:54   superhero [TS]

00:37:55   yeah yes and said what's interesting is [TS]

00:37:57   when we meet him we see that he's the [TS]

00:37:58   mayor of New York and that he lives it [TS]

00:38:00   and it's revealed I believe that that [TS]

00:38:03   he's in new york post 9-11 where there's [TS]

00:38:06   one tower of the world trade such as it [TS]

00:38:08   conceals her here a career he stopped [TS]

00:38:10   the second tower right but we don't know [TS]

00:38:12   details they all come out in flashback [TS]

00:38:15   we discover that he was a sort of [TS]

00:38:17   superhero with a jetpack and then we [TS]

00:38:21   discovered that great machine the great [TS]

00:38:23   machine which is great and it's a cool [TS]

00:38:24   outfit and we discovered that the [TS]

00:38:26   jetpack is not why he was a superhero he [TS]

00:38:28   a strange series of events lead him to [TS]

00:38:31   have the ability to talk to machines but [TS]

00:38:34   he's also the mayor of New York in the [TS]

00:38:35   present so it's got this West Wing kind [TS]

00:38:36   of politics angle plus flashbacks to his [TS]

00:38:39   superhero past and then he warn't it's [TS]

00:38:41   not going to end well [TS]

00:38:42   yeah towards you pretty early on and [TS]

00:38:44   socially first issue with the first arc [TS]

00:38:46   he's like this is gonna be a tragedy and [TS]

00:38:48   this is in and you see anything shots of [TS]

00:38:52   mitchell in the future [TS]

00:38:54   yeah in his like wife beater shirt [TS]

00:38:57   looking kind of unhappy and broken [TS]

00:39:00   yeah yeah so it's um again great concept [TS]

00:39:04   right great concept and of the flashback [TS]

00:39:06   idea it's a concept we haven't really [TS]

00:39:08   thought of before [TS]

00:39:09   essentially what it what if the mayor of [TS]

00:39:11   New York was a superhero who's who got [TS]

00:39:14   elected because he's stayed one of the [TS]

00:39:16   more integrated builders right yeah [TS]

00:39:18   parasites electoral politics is the way [TS]

00:39:20   i want to go i actually thought was a [TS]

00:39:22   really elegant send up a lot of the post [TS]

00:39:23   9-11 fantasies some people may have had [TS]

00:39:27   we're all of only this had happened [TS]

00:39:28   fully that had happened and basically [TS]

00:39:30   what he's saying is look even if you [TS]

00:39:32   have a Superman to save a tower or 22 to [TS]

00:39:35   alter the scope of the tragedy that [TS]

00:39:37   doesn't eliminate the day-to-day [TS]

00:39:39   problems that are much more that have a [TS]

00:39:43   much more significant impact on people's [TS]

00:39:44   daily lives you know and as and I think [TS]

00:39:47   as a new yorker this was kind of him [TS]

00:39:48   rebutting a lot of the national dialogue [TS]

00:39:51   and rhetoric about 911 and what it means [TS]

00:39:53   and so on and so forth and say no no [TS]

00:39:54   look you know let's let's not forget [TS]

00:39:57   that you're kind of a lot going on even [TS]

00:39:58   before this so so the one of things I [TS]

00:40:01   didn't like about it is a concept really [TS]

00:40:04   awesome everybody said it's like the [TS]

00:40:05   west wing of comics and then stuff the [TS]

00:40:07   every time they went into the kind of [TS]

00:40:10   policy sort of stories or focus more on [TS]

00:40:14   policies it didn't ring true to me i [TS]

00:40:15   like the marijuana plum like marijuana [TS]

00:40:18   as an example and also the the art which [TS]

00:40:21   is beautiful it's a very photo reference [TS]

00:40:24   Tony Harris believe ya [TS]

00:40:27   overall really beautiful stranger defect [TS]

00:40:29   great faces but I kisses what was the [TS]

00:40:32   places the basis i want to stop you [TS]

00:40:34   right there and say one of the things [TS]

00:40:35   unlike so many comics ex machina on any [TS]

00:40:39   panel you I know what Mitchell hundreds [TS]

00:40:42   face looks like it because his face is [TS]

00:40:44   his face and in every panel [TS]

00:40:46   he's a person with a face and you can [TS]

00:40:49   you know so many comics you from panel [TS]

00:40:51   to panel ready to issue each other [TS]

00:40:53   the direction is is is varied and with [TS]

00:40:55   them that's a guy wasn't happy with the [TS]

00:40:57   face is like a great land hate side of [TS]

00:40:59   years ago where somebody was just [TS]

00:41:00   ranting and raving about how much they [TS]

00:41:02   dislike Greg land and they were going [TS]

00:41:03   off about a thing ultimate Fantastic [TS]

00:41:04   Four and house to store basically [TS]

00:41:06   changes from panel to panel and that was [TS]

00:41:09   never ever problem with no anyway her [TS]

00:41:12   beautiful just as you said faces and [TS]

00:41:14   security where the art fell down so [TS]

00:41:16   that's what was really strong written [TS]

00:41:17   down for me was getting this kind of [TS]

00:41:18   policy things that so he's the mayor of [TS]

00:41:20   New York City [TS]

00:41:22   yeah which has got like the fifth [TS]

00:41:23   largest economy in the country of if you [TS]

00:41:27   include all the states and everything [TS]

00:41:28   out the it all she saw was him his [TS]

00:41:31   deputy mayor his secretary and an intern [TS]

00:41:33   whenever he was like those with for some [TS]

00:41:36   problems with the Commissioner of Police [TS]

00:41:39   and that was it like its own all the [TS]

00:41:41   scenes that were the policy things are [TS]

00:41:43   when they're in the west wing as well [TS]

00:41:44   that realistic to the west wing you [TS]

00:41:47   always see people walking there like [TS]

00:41:48   staffers around doing things there's the [TS]

00:41:50   motion why are the whole so empty right [TS]

00:41:52   every hall was empty every room was [TS]

00:41:53   empty i was like no anytime that Mary's [TS]

00:41:56   out there would be at least 15 people [TS]

00:41:58   write in fact is they're saying [TS]

00:42:01   like there's a scene where there's a I [TS]

00:42:02   think it's a blackout that the [TS]

00:42:06   somebody's caught in an elevator the [TS]

00:42:08   deputy mayor's cotton elevator and there [TS]

00:42:09   is actually seen which is like oh geez [TS]

00:42:11   there's nobody here to run the city [TS]

00:42:12   really right it's a big city it's [TS]

00:42:16   something that's more than a small [TS]

00:42:18   government is great baby concerning his [TS]

00:42:21   face is right about it would take too [TS]

00:42:22   long to have drawn all of the season the [TS]

00:42:25   book still wouldn't have been released [TS]

00:42:26   but it fell down for me there because it [TS]

00:42:29   was trying to be kind of real yeah I so [TS]

00:42:32   didn't ring true something we talked [TS]

00:42:34   about with with the way that the mystery [TS]

00:42:38   plays out in in [TS]

00:42:40   y the last man I want to come back to [TS]

00:42:42   here which is bryan cave on has a really [TS]

00:42:46   good skill of of holding back [TS]

00:42:48   information and very slowly letting you [TS]

00:42:50   in on what's going on that I appreciate [TS]

00:42:52   because I think there's a tendency for a [TS]

00:42:56   writer to say okay here's what the [TS]

00:42:57   backstory is and I've got it all planned [TS]

00:43:00   out and i'm going to play it all out in [TS]

00:43:02   the first 12 issues you know or the [TS]

00:43:03   first season of the of the TV show and [TS]

00:43:05   then they're out that they've done they [TS]

00:43:07   played it out they have nothing more to [TS]

00:43:09   hold back and he their stuff i mean it's [TS]

00:43:12   a the exponents 50 issue series their [TS]

00:43:14   stuff that he's dropping an issue 38 [TS]

00:43:16   issue 40 key pieces of information that [TS]

00:43:19   have obviously been known since issue [TS]

00:43:21   one but he just refuses to show you i [TS]

00:43:24   mean how long is it before you see him [TS]

00:43:25   at the World Trade Center on 911 and [TS]

00:43:29   then and towing the airplane to land it [TS]

00:43:32   somewhere haha that's like 30 issues in [TS]

00:43:35   yeah I mean it's so i was really [TS]

00:43:36   impressed and of course the backstory of [TS]

00:43:38   what how he got his powers and what the [TS]

00:43:40   element really late development ultimate [TS]

00:43:42   enemy is going to be yeah but there [TS]

00:43:44   there's some stuff which is dreams about [TS]

00:43:46   brains and pran es the multi-dimensional [TS]

00:43:49   kind of brains and and that his powers [TS]

00:43:53   came from somewhere and they're out [TS]

00:43:54   there and they're really bad and you're [TS]

00:43:55   supposed to stop them early on and but [TS]

00:43:59   it doesn't really get resolved until [TS]

00:44:00   lead there in the forties of the issues [TS]

00:44:02   which i love that it felt set up with [TS]

00:44:04   how much of it he made up on the on the [TS]

00:44:06   spot i don't know but in the notice [TS]

00:44:07   those dreams consists in the finale is [TS]

00:44:09   that the one character with the beatles [TS]

00:44:11   song didn't exist [TS]

00:44:13   oh right way which is totally tied into [TS]

00:44:15   the whole parallel universe that is this [TS]

00:44:17   idea which I always thought I always [TS]

00:44:18   think of that too that's what he hit one [TS]

00:44:21   of my favorite concepts about parallel [TS]

00:44:22   universes and I love to see it in there [TS]

00:44:24   which is you know it Stephen King wrote [TS]

00:44:26   a story like this to which is and that [TS]

00:44:29   if we have the pot parallel universes [TS]

00:44:31   there are works by people who died young [TS]

00:44:34   there they've got their albums from [TS]

00:44:36   later it's the beatles albums from the [TS]

00:44:38   seventies or john lennon albums from the [TS]

00:44:40   from the the eighties and nineties or [TS]

00:44:42   you know that the fifth Nirvana album or [TS]

00:44:44   all these things that don't actually [TS]

00:44:45   exist or books that were not written or [TS]

00:44:48   were written differently and and that [TS]

00:44:51   all plays out when there's the this [TS]

00:44:53   beetle song that doesn't exist that is [TS]

00:44:55   playing on a radio isn't playing on the [TS]

00:44:57   radio that here's an authorized an ipod [TS]

00:45:00   or something yeah yeah that's your first [TS]

00:45:02   hint that this is not a parallel [TS]

00:45:04   universe or that they're parallel [TS]

00:45:06   universes at play here that this is not [TS]

00:45:08   you know it's not just the one universe [TS]

00:45:10   which is what the story [TS]

00:45:11   alternately is this is sort of about ya [TS]

00:45:14   know it's also the parallel universes [TS]

00:45:16   thing I think is another one of his [TS]

00:45:18   medical standards because the whole [TS]

00:45:19   series about ultimately the decisions [TS]

00:45:21   that Mitchell hundred makes and where he [TS]

00:45:22   lands because those decisions and it's [TS]

00:45:25   not kind of the premise behind every [TS]

00:45:26   parallel universes story as well choices [TS]

00:45:29   in every universe shape the outcome of [TS]

00:45:30   that universe and if you take a look at [TS]

00:45:33   the last at the last issue which i found [TS]

00:45:36   it a very surprising issued a lot of [TS]

00:45:38   ways but also very logical it's the [TS]

00:45:40   culmination of all his choices [TS]

00:45:41   everything you find all those decision [TS]

00:45:43   points and where he decided to turn in [TS]

00:45:45   each one of them and you see the [TS]

00:45:48   branches kinda getting locked off each [TS]

00:45:49   time it is the series does take a an [TS]

00:45:54   interesting turn when he goes to the [TS]

00:45:56   Vatican and comes back saying i'm going [TS]

00:46:00   to be the president of the united states [TS]

00:46:01   it's like wow okay which I I I thought [TS]

00:46:05   that was sort of strange but it it made [TS]

00:46:07   him it made his decisions a little more [TS]

00:46:10   understandable in that way that he and [TS]

00:46:13   the pope basically says you have a demon [TS]

00:46:15   inside you and I'm gonna going to [TS]

00:46:16   perform an exorcism which is very [TS]

00:46:18   strange but in the end it also sort of [TS]

00:46:20   is consistent with what the story is [TS]

00:46:22   that the fact that he goes from being [TS]

00:46:25   kind of this accidental [TS]

00:46:27   air to being a very ambitious guy in the [TS]

00:46:30   span of a couple of issues you know [TS]

00:46:32   that's why it sort of worked but it was [TS]

00:46:34   a big a big turn to leave him down this [TS]

00:46:37   path that he was like I suppose [TS]

00:46:39   inevitably going down but it made it [TS]

00:46:41   feel a little more realistic than it [TS]

00:46:43   would have otherwise you do watch him [TS]

00:46:44   kind of losing his soul for his idealism [TS]

00:46:46   is that work with the course of the 50 [TS]

00:46:48   issues yeah right and that's when he was [TS]

00:46:50   just a super hero who saved the world [TS]

00:46:52   trade center and he was running for [TS]

00:46:53   mayor because he wanted to do something [TS]

00:46:55   that wasn't be a superhero and more but [TS]

00:46:58   that's not what got him elected we got [TS]

00:46:59   him elected was being a superhero [TS]

00:47:00   yeah but he was like a third-string kind [TS]

00:47:02   of bureaucrat not very present he was an [TS]

00:47:06   engineer after he was an engineer at the [TS]

00:47:08   brooklyn bridge so he was just a civil [TS]

00:47:10   engineer just a guy [TS]

00:47:11   yeah much like York right and that's the [TS]

00:47:13   thing is like the parallels and a lot of [TS]

00:47:15   careful more successful than your in [TS]

00:47:17   sort of the order if you're getting [TS]

00:47:20   brighter than York you know like she's [TS]

00:47:24   going to get to know that policy stuff [TS]

00:47:25   he was kind of dumb what I want to do [TS]

00:47:27   for an interesting that all of Brian [TS]

00:47:29   capons books and this was actually [TS]

00:47:30   pretty striking between y and X machina [TS]

00:47:32   is the female characters almost always [TS]

00:47:34   have a really troubled relationship with [TS]

00:47:36   their parents especially their mother [TS]

00:47:38   again this is why he went and rode for [TS]

00:47:39   lost [TS]

00:47:40   yes just so much in common and they also [TS]

00:47:42   have really troubling relationships with [TS]

00:47:45   women in their life who they are not [TS]

00:47:47   sexually involved with because you're [TS]

00:47:48   always had a really hard time with hero [TS]

00:47:50   right um well actually regardless of the [TS]

00:47:55   many baths and y the last man you gots [TS]

00:47:58   York a lot of women with whom he had [TS]

00:48:00   relationships that were never ever going [TS]

00:48:01   to be romantic and he he did have [TS]

00:48:05   difficulty relating to these women are [TS]

00:48:07   trying to understand what made them tick [TS]

00:48:09   and vice versa and i found that to also [TS]

00:48:11   be the case in X market now where you've [TS]

00:48:13   got Mitchell has a really hard [TS]

00:48:15   relationship with his mother right and [TS]

00:48:17   then there's you know that his [TS]

00:48:18   relationship with the sisters journal in [TS]

00:48:20   january and his chief of staff [TS]

00:48:23   it was his chief of staff a woman she's [TS]

00:48:24   the one who's got a family and his [TS]

00:48:26   relationship with her you know it's it's [TS]

00:48:28   it's by the smoothest thing he has an [TS]

00:48:29   energy for police [TS]

00:48:31   yeah yeah but you know he does I i find [TS]

00:48:34   it striking this is a theme that comes [TS]

00:48:35   up in both of his adult as opposed to [TS]

00:48:37   team works is that you've got these [TS]

00:48:38   protagonists [TS]

00:48:39   we're basically average men who have who [TS]

00:48:42   have not dysfunctional but troubled [TS]

00:48:45   family relationships and influenced an [TS]

00:48:47   extraordinary service place the [TS]

00:48:48   extraordinary circumstances and they [TS]

00:48:50   have difficulty relating actually we [TS]

00:48:53   never seen someone the last man but [TS]

00:48:55   Mitchell hundred also has difficulty [TS]

00:48:56   relating to other men to he's a very [TS]

00:48:57   lonely guy he's a very lonely guy you [TS]

00:49:00   know and at by the last episode you see [TS]

00:49:04   that he just doesn't have any friends [TS]

00:49:05   I mean he just can't he lacks whatever [TS]

00:49:08   interpersonal emotional skills are in [TS]

00:49:11   the toolbox that let people reach out [TS]

00:49:13   and connect once that shows in a really [TS]

00:49:15   graphic way twice in the last exchange [TS]

00:49:17   faithful friend is Bradbury his his [TS]

00:49:21   former army buddy who is a bodyguard for [TS]

00:49:26   him and he takes the fall for him saving [TS]

00:49:29   the world which I i like that thing that [TS]

00:49:32   it's like the spider-man [TS]

00:49:34   oh you're a menace kind of cracked up to [TS]

00:49:36   a hundred which is he saves the world [TS]

00:49:38   and the Chief of Police says I'm gonna [TS]

00:49:40   arrest you and and his buddy takes the [TS]

00:49:43   fall [TS]

00:49:43   yeah and goes to prison for two years or [TS]

00:49:47   something like that three years and [TS]

00:49:49   that's that was his last friend and by [TS]

00:49:50   the time that by the time he comes back [TS]

00:49:53   in the last issue that relationship is [TS]

00:49:54   completely destroyed two that's it sort [TS]

00:49:57   of that metaphorical his best friends [TS]

00:49:58   are machines [TS]

00:49:59   yeah right he talks a machine that's he [TS]

00:50:01   can communicate with ya [TS]

00:50:03   and yet the most the thing that that [TS]

00:50:05   that stuck with me is reporting as the [TS]

00:50:06   showdown outside his mom's trailer and [TS]

00:50:08   the gun lies to him and then the last [TS]

00:50:12   issue the gun does something that is [TS]

00:50:14   perfect there's him a gun and it doesn't [TS]

00:50:15   it somewhat surprising and it's also [TS]

00:50:18   reminder that even though his best [TS]

00:50:19   friends are machines the machines can be [TS]

00:50:20   fickle when when you give them a mind of [TS]

00:50:22   their own or machines reflect their [TS]

00:50:24   owners which means that they're not [TS]

00:50:25   always predictable so I do think I [TS]

00:50:28   hadn't actually thought about that but [TS]

00:50:30   yeah he's an engineer at his best [TS]

00:50:31   friends are machines and it's just a [TS]

00:50:34   profoundly lonely guy [TS]

00:50:36   yeah yeah chat i think a fascinating [TS]

00:50:38   character [TS]

00:50:39   mhm yeah when you talk about bryan cave [TS]

00:50:41   on and and the concepts maybe being more [TS]

00:50:43   than the characters hundred to me is a [TS]

00:50:46   really interesting character with a lot [TS]

00:50:48   of contradictions and a lot of a very [TS]

00:50:50   modern character strange questions about [TS]

00:50:52   him I mean those [TS]

00:50:53   some i was reading somebody was saying [TS]

00:50:54   how you know there's a lot of questions [TS]

00:50:57   about his sexuality because he basically [TS]

00:50:59   have no relationships and and there [TS]

00:51:01   isn't i thought that maybe he's gay but [TS]

00:51:03   we never seen with anybody I i actually [TS]

00:51:05   don't believe that's the case because it [TS]

00:51:07   turns out in the end that his friend has [TS]

00:51:09   these feelings for him and that he [TS]

00:51:10   rejects them but but there's also a [TS]

00:51:13   flashback where he's talking to the [TS]

00:51:15   reporter who ends up being possessed by [TS]

00:51:17   the same thing that gave me his powers [TS]

00:51:19   and she turns she tries to destroy the [TS]

00:51:21   world is thrown into a parallel universe [TS]

00:51:22   and that's how the story ends but [TS]

00:51:24   there's a flashback there where they [TS]

00:51:27   have a kind charged conversation where [TS]

00:51:29   he says maybe when I'm not the mayor [TS]

00:51:30   anymore we can talk and we can take this [TS]

00:51:33   further but the fact that there are all [TS]

00:51:36   these questions about hundred and who is [TS]

00:51:38   he and does he love anybody in [TS]

00:51:39   developmental of women to be loved just [TS]

00:51:42   the machines what's going on you know I [TS]

00:51:44   find that fascinating because he is an [TS]

00:51:46   interesting character he's not a blank [TS]

00:51:47   with this blankness around him he's a [TS]

00:51:49   guy with some empty spots of his life is [TS]

00:51:54   fascinating i also wonder if the [TS]

00:51:56   speculation about mitchells sexuality is [TS]

00:51:59   meant to reflect the speculation that [TS]

00:52:01   has actually surrounded other mayors of [TS]

00:52:03   New York too [TS]

00:52:04   I mean at koch never married while in [TS]

00:52:06   office and still hasn't and there are [TS]

00:52:09   people who are the my grandmother's ago [TS]

00:52:12   he just never found the right woman and [TS]

00:52:14   there are other people who are like ski [TS]

00:52:16   because the right woman would have to [TS]

00:52:18   have a block and tackle this so hard to [TS]

00:52:23   find those they haven't y the last man [TS]

00:52:25   well they would have died particularly [TS]

00:52:26   yeah i mean the crying game we've had a [TS]

00:52:28   whole different ending if it had the [TS]

00:52:29   fact that it's not married either [TS]

00:52:31   no but she divorced yeah i was your head [TS]

00:52:35   is being this is like the adventures of [TS]

00:52:36   Mike Bloomberg superhero [TS]

00:52:38   yeah one level even though Bloomberg is [TS]

00:52:40   mentioned in the in the comic as well as [TS]

00:52:42   running and hundred comes in is this [TS]

00:52:44   independent candidate and assessment but [TS]

00:52:47   i always thought about that it's like [TS]

00:52:48   basically what if Bloomberg was a was a [TS]

00:52:50   super hero instead of a you know media [TS]

00:52:52   manual [TS]

00:52:54   yeah naturally so much of a hero people [TS]

00:52:56   work for us as the as as we record this [TS]

00:53:01   a hurricane is is bearing down on the [TS]

00:53:03   city of New York and as we walked into [TS]

00:53:05   the studio I think we [TS]

00:53:06   we said what would a hundred do evacuate [TS]

00:53:09   ya know he fled get his jetpack on he'd [TS]

00:53:12   fly into that hurricane her do something [TS]

00:53:14   yeah or not know but what can you do [TS]

00:53:17   against are you do it's a force against [TS]

00:53:19   drunk guy [TS]

00:53:20   what can you do against an alien race [TS]

00:53:21   that's gonna come over from another [TS]

00:53:22   parallel universe and eat all of [TS]

00:53:24   humanity [TS]

00:53:24   yeah again again yeah I can you do I [TS]

00:53:28   don't like the alien X Mark and I can [TS]

00:53:30   see I just well they're not really [TS]

00:53:32   aliens though they're just like the [TS]

00:53:34   worst the worst people from the worst [TS]

00:53:36   parallel universe or something like that [TS]

00:53:38   happens in well there's 19 / parallel to [TS]

00:53:42   find satisfied I i ended sad for [TS]

00:53:46   Mitchell and I think in a way that was [TS]

00:53:47   kind of satisfying because he's the vice [TS]

00:53:49   president of the United States huh yeah [TS]

00:53:51   better him than palin you know I mean [TS]

00:53:54   that that's what made the difference [TS]

00:53:56   right that here at least john mccain is [TS]

00:53:58   the president Mitchell hundreds device [TS]

00:53:59   press identity and so bullet dodged [TS]

00:54:02   but this is where we get angry tweets [TS]

00:54:05   and emails from people who are you [TS]

00:54:07   well I wanted to listen to politics [TS]

00:54:09   that's right well well I a comic about [TS]

00:54:11   it's a comment about the attics and so [TS]

00:54:13   so he's positive here that this is this [TS]

00:54:15   is one of the things that changes is the [TS]

00:54:17   John McCain is elected president [TS]

00:54:18   Mitchell hundreds of the vice president [TS]

00:54:20   and I think it's still lingering out [TS]

00:54:21   there this idea that he's gonna be it's [TS]

00:54:23   not that he might be the president is [TS]

00:54:25   that the Pope you know leaves him with [TS]

00:54:27   this feeling that he will be the [TS]

00:54:29   president of the united states i do [TS]

00:54:30   everything still not great help nasal ya [TS]

00:54:32   know I actually do wonder if it's a [TS]

00:54:34   commentary on the the way we pick our [TS]

00:54:36   our national level leaders is we have to [TS]

00:54:38   have to have an easy backstory that we [TS]

00:54:40   can relate to or that we can aspire to I [TS]

00:54:42   mean our president is somebody where if [TS]

00:54:44   you are pro Obama you're like look this [TS]

00:54:46   is the son of a single mother who used a [TS]

00:54:49   meritocracy and here he is now and if [TS]

00:54:51   you are not a probe on the person you're [TS]

00:54:52   like oh people like him from his hope [TS]

00:54:54   you changing stuff and and well and it [TS]

00:54:56   makes them feel good to elect and their [TS]

00:54:57   cynicism here to write because because [TS]

00:55:00   it's it's a hundred who is an [TS]

00:55:02   interesting figure it but you [TS]

00:55:06   we know all about him right so we know [TS]

00:55:08   that Mitchell hundred he has no friends [TS]

00:55:09   he will decide when we know but his [TS]

00:55:12   media package is going to be this is the [TS]

00:55:13   man who saved the world see that the [TS]

00:55:15   world the world trade center at the [TS]

00:55:17   world happened on trades on what's [TS]

00:55:19   better than save [TS]

00:55:19   not that we know of him as a pot-smoking [TS]

00:55:22   that's most friendliest friendly alien [TS]

00:55:24   invested weirdo and we're super powers [TS]

00:55:28   who who broke the law repeatedly as a [TS]

00:55:30   vigilante and doing something that was [TS]

00:55:33   not particularly responsible and [TS]

00:55:35   actually quite reckless because he [TS]

00:55:37   almost dies a lot of times who [TS]

00:55:39   potentially killed one of his best [TS]

00:55:42   friends but you know he's gonna get [TS]

00:55:44   recasting the national narrative that's [TS]

00:55:46   exactly the surviving son of a single [TS]

00:55:48   mother who you know through hard work [TS]

00:55:50   and diligence became the became a hero [TS]

00:55:53   and then and then decided to put [TS]

00:55:55   underneath your left on his own accord [TS]

00:55:57   is his office so it's just tremendous [TS]

00:55:59   leaping ability yeah i mean the same way [TS]

00:56:01   if you if you are for sarah palin what [TS]

00:56:03   you say is here is somebody who proves [TS]

00:56:05   that you don't have to be part of an Ivy [TS]

00:56:07   League elite to you know to make a [TS]

00:56:10   difference and to govern and this is [TS]

00:56:12   somebody who's in touch with populist [TS]

00:56:13   rhetoric and if your auntie Sarah Palin [TS]

00:56:14   it's not really terrified it's not about [TS]

00:56:16   who want their individual politics is [TS]

00:56:18   it's about the creation of a story about [TS]

00:56:20   a kid but that's always missing in this [TS]

00:56:22   and we having this around politics and [TS]

00:56:24   we have miss around superheroes right so [TS]

00:56:26   here we got Brian came on sand look at [TS]

00:56:28   the myth-making is always the same you [TS]

00:56:30   know and there's their stuff underneath [TS]

00:56:32   the myth that is the real story here and [TS]

00:56:34   the question is who's gonna be able to [TS]

00:56:36   see the story and the end of the day [TS]

00:56:37   it's only us the opposition to reader [TS]

00:56:40   thanks to the omniscient narrator is he [TS]

00:56:42   a good guy worry about the initial yeah [TS]

00:56:45   you know just just as just as y the last [TS]

00:56:47   man is is like it all comes down to [TS]

00:56:49   human nature i mean that the whole point [TS]

00:56:51   to mitchell is that alien infestation of [TS]

00:56:54   Technology aside he's ultimately human i [TS]

00:56:55   mean some stuff he does is good and some [TS]

00:56:57   stuff he does is bad and at the end of [TS]

00:56:58   the day what he simply is I think the [TS]

00:57:01   balance in the balance he what he does [TS]

00:57:02   is good and but in the last issue he [TS]

00:57:05   does something quite you know quite [TS]

00:57:07   horrible do you want to do this part [TS]

00:57:09   will do will do another spoiler horn [TS]

00:57:11   here [TS]

00:57:14   that's always fun to do but he so he and [TS]

00:57:20   his buddy Kremlin who helped him when he [TS]

00:57:22   was the great machine and is now [TS]

00:57:24   actually tried to get him to not be [TS]

00:57:26   mayor anymore because he thinks he's [TS]

00:57:27   destined for greater things than that [TS]

00:57:28   you think politics are terrible no he [TS]

00:57:30   doesn't want to be a politician he wants [TS]

00:57:32   him to go back to being a superhero [TS]

00:57:34   he is sort of the end of Israel Kremlin [TS]

00:57:36   is and he's got a gun to his head and [TS]

00:57:37   he's threatening to kill himself and and [TS]

00:57:39   and at some point hundreds talking [TS]

00:57:41   trying to talk him out of it [TS]

00:57:42   this guy so i gotta say really [TS]

00:57:45   frustrating character I sort of felt [TS]

00:57:47   like cheese at some point just let him [TS]

00:57:49   kill himself because he's nothing he's [TS]

00:57:51   no good for you [TS]

00:57:52   100 does however is talk to the gun and [TS]

00:57:54   say bang and the guidelines blows his [TS]

00:57:57   brains out or did hundred tell the gun [TS]

00:58:00   to blow his brains out whatever and for [TS]

00:58:03   me that was that moment like oh you know [TS]

00:58:05   I don't know what I think of this [TS]

00:58:06   character now even though on one level I [TS]

00:58:09   totally understand his frustration at [TS]

00:58:11   that moment with this character who [TS]

00:58:12   tried to ruin his mayorship and once to [TS]

00:58:15   get him to go back to the way it was [TS]

00:58:17   which they can't ever do [TS]

00:58:19   it's like that really annoying high [TS]

00:58:20   school friend on Facebook who's always [TS]

00:58:21   like yeah the past [TS]

00:58:23   yeah yeah exactly and yuri and you know [TS]

00:58:25   you're like a ignore but I have a little [TS]

00:58:27   baby now know that I i actually wonder [TS]

00:58:31   if that was a subconscious manifestation [TS]

00:58:33   if hundred deliberately said bang or if [TS]

00:58:36   it was just something where he's got the [TS]

00:58:38   connection with the machines and his [TS]

00:58:40   conscious mind would have been horrified [TS]

00:58:41   but a subconscious like do this just [TS]

00:58:43   makes things easier bang he wants to do [TS]

00:58:46   it anyway I mean I get anything for this [TS]

00:58:48   equation you can put the gun to his head [TS]

00:58:50   the question of does the technology [TS]

00:58:52   reflect the world theater because again [TS]

00:58:53   remember many many issues back 100 is [TS]

00:58:55   talking to the gun outside his mom's [TS]

00:58:58   trailer and he's like to have any bolts [TS]

00:58:59   on the guns like no and then up surprise [TS]

00:59:01   turns out the gun lied and hundred is [TS]

00:59:03   really surprised that the gun lies and [TS]

00:59:05   his moms like look what do you expect [TS]

00:59:07   you know two Liars gun yet people yes [TS]

00:59:09   people can lie this gun belonged to a [TS]

00:59:11   liar [TS]

00:59:12   maybe technology reflections owners so [TS]

00:59:14   maybe the gun had picked up on Kremlin's [TS]

00:59:16   death wish and on Mitchell's desire to [TS]

00:59:18   just have this over with [TS]

00:59:19   I mean I like there's a bit of ambiguity [TS]

00:59:21   in there i think the thing that [TS]

00:59:23   horrified me about the last issue is how [TS]

00:59:25   he responds to [TS]

00:59:27   friends confession of love and and just [TS]

00:59:29   that the total rigid the total revulsion [TS]

00:59:31   and rejection of that I thought were [TS]

00:59:33   were much more shocking to me than [TS]

00:59:37   Kremlin stuff and to me I agree with you [TS]

00:59:40   to me it seemed less about sex and [TS]

00:59:45   attraction and more about how he was an [TS]

00:59:48   inconvenient person in his life [TS]

00:59:51   I mean it actually sort of like that [TS]

00:59:53   like I thought this was over [TS]

00:59:55   why are you here you're kind of a mess [TS]

00:59:57   now I can't really be around you because [TS]

00:59:59   you're a mess [TS]

00:59:59   you're a mess [TS]

01:00:00   and because he starts with that and I [TS]

01:00:01   think that's also code for us please [TS]

01:00:03   don't lay the emotional demands on me [TS]

01:00:05   because i cannot ever handle that with [TS]

01:00:06   anybody remember capable of feeling [TS]

01:00:08   exactly you know if maybe this goes back [TS]

01:00:12   to if he does have this this profoundly [TS]

01:00:14   troubled childhood [TS]

01:00:15   maybe he did grow up thinking okay [TS]

01:00:16   feelings are too much trouble or maybe [TS]

01:00:18   he never learned the emotional [TS]

01:00:19   vocabulary that he needed to be a [TS]

01:00:21   functional adult and so when somebody [TS]

01:00:23   was adult comes and confesses messily [TS]

01:00:25   and awkwardly and drunkenly that I have [TS]

01:00:27   loved you for years like he has no tools [TS]

01:00:30   to deal with this and so his first [TS]

01:00:32   responses it's just inconvenient for me [TS]

01:00:34   right [TS]

01:00:35   I can't I can't which is not to say that [TS]

01:00:37   hundred and professors love for bribery [TS]

01:00:38   earlier right there he says I love you [TS]

01:00:40   Bradbury right i mean earlier it [TS]

01:00:42   happened so it's not as if somebody says [TS]

01:00:44   that but I was one of these it yes you [TS]

01:00:46   know when it comes down to you know if [TS]

01:00:47   you actually love somebody it's it's the [TS]

01:00:49   hard moments where were you where you [TS]

01:00:51   have to step up and he can't no reason [TS]

01:00:53   he's unable to me he blows it [TS]

01:00:55   yeah yep so one of the things that I [TS]

01:00:58   really like about Brian capons work is [TS]

01:01:00   that it does lend itself to this kind of [TS]

01:01:02   discussion [TS]

01:01:03   I gotta give him full credit for that I [TS]

01:01:05   do enjoy reading his stuff i think is I [TS]

01:01:08   love that he has endings for his story I [TS]

01:01:10   don't you over the head with ideas like [TS]

01:01:12   he lets the ideas just kind of sneak up [TS]

01:01:14   and develop more calculations right with [TS]

01:01:17   laying out some of his his premise and [TS]

01:01:19   and there's stuff there to talk about [TS]

01:01:21   and we don't end up having to say well [TS]

01:01:23   why the last man you know over the [TS]

01:01:25   course of 20 years he did a hundred [TS]

01:01:26   issues and it really that made the [TS]

01:01:29   middle the middle 40 weren't very look [TS]

01:01:31   at the warrantless you know that's why I [TS]

01:01:34   like that he said no I'm gonna end this [TS]

01:01:36   story now and that there's something to [TS]

01:01:38   be said for that even if you have issues [TS]

01:01:40   with the ending i think i think it's [TS]

01:01:41   it's got some depth and if you haven't [TS]

01:01:43   read it and you've listened this far [TS]

01:01:44   we'll just say it again the stuff is [TS]

01:01:46   worth reading and because it's got a [TS]

01:01:47   beginning and an end especially you and [TS]

01:01:49   Runaways comes in a couple volumes so [TS]

01:01:50   it's got some clear and increased volume [TS]

01:01:52   several ways you're set yeah say yeah so [TS]

01:01:54   it is a story is like reading a novel or [TS]

01:01:56   a good season or two of a TV series [TS]

01:01:59   oh I should also point out that you know [TS]

01:02:00   we've talked about the art in X market [TS]

01:02:02   of the art while last man is also very [TS]

01:02:04   very pleasing [TS]

01:02:05   yes it's and he stuck with the same [TS]

01:02:07   pencils Pia group via kwara here [TS]

01:02:10   cartoony yes but really works with [TS]

01:02:13   there and there's that and there's the [TS]

01:02:14   there's the woman in whi the last man is [TS]

01:02:17   not the writer but it's the artist yeah [TS]

01:02:18   and every cover has the Y motif in their [TS]

01:02:21   step brothers are beautiful cover art is [TS]

01:02:23   beautiful the xmax covers are really [TS]

01:02:25   pretty [TS]

01:02:26   yeah yeah yeah yeah so it's not just [TS]

01:02:28   about bryan cave on it's about the [TS]

01:02:29   artists work now and he works very well [TS]

01:02:31   with artists to which is which is also [TS]

01:02:32   pretty evident the fact that his work [TS]

01:02:34   translate so well with so many different [TS]

01:02:36   pencils i think is is a strength of this [TS]

01:02:38   is a writer [TS]

01:02:39   what is he doing now I can't think of [TS]

01:02:41   anything that he's working on in comics [TS]

01:02:43   really don't know wouldn't surprise me [TS]

01:02:45   if he's doing some like Hollywood [TS]

01:02:47   something-or-other you know screenplay [TS]

01:02:50   or something like that because you did I [TS]

01:02:51   need moved to LA and he did work for [TS]

01:02:53   lost and and I don't know what he's [TS]

01:02:55   doing what did I row [TS]

01:02:57   oh it was the grant morrison universe i [TS]

01:02:58   read recently where he actually said [TS]

01:03:00   that most comic he he was talking about [TS]

01:03:02   the end of comics this is in Rolling [TS]

01:03:03   Stone the grant morrison interview and [TS]

01:03:05   what he said was as far as he's [TS]

01:03:07   concerned most of comics create [TS]

01:03:09   narratives are moving to the screen and [TS]

01:03:11   he thinks it's a pretty natural [TS]

01:03:12   progression that they want to a while [TS]

01:03:14   last man movie [TS]

01:03:15   yeah they had shia labeouf lined up for [TS]

01:03:17   it for a while which would have just [TS]

01:03:18   been horrible [TS]

01:03:18   yeah it sounds like the sticking point [TS]

01:03:20   is that channel doesn't want to do it [TS]

01:03:22   while they want to do the transformer [TS]

01:03:23   character they want to do three the [TS]

01:03:26   director who is attached to want to do [TS]

01:03:28   it is like two or three movies that it's [TS]

01:03:30   not enough story for a single movie [TS]

01:03:32   watching a great-niece HBO series [TS]

01:03:34   well that's I think that's exactly all [TS]

01:03:36   of these all of these bryan cave on [TS]

01:03:38   one's feel like TV shows to me no movies [TS]

01:03:40   because you need to play it out that [TS]

01:03:41   like Germany it is not now right if you [TS]

01:03:44   like the journey across north america [TS]

01:03:45   around like that last man could be a TV [TS]

01:03:49   show like walking dead yeah exactly and [TS]

01:03:52   maybe we're looking at you into that out [TS]

01:03:53   maybe not because they just got the [TS]

01:03:55   budget problems know somebody else you [TS]

01:03:57   may like the next talking did ya stars [TS]

01:03:59   now stars HBO maybe FF good effects [TS]

01:04:03   would do well with them with ex machina [TS]

01:04:05   because FX and this forgive me for [TS]

01:04:08   dressing the TV but this is something [TS]

01:04:09   that I also hang out with a lot F X [TS]

01:04:12   tends to excel at doing dramas which are [TS]

01:04:15   essentially workplace brought dramas but [TS]

01:04:16   actually more about human condition and [TS]

01:04:18   it's also kinda DX macana yeah and it's [TS]

01:04:22   also kind of dude skid which ex machina [TS]

01:04:23   is as a necessary imagine ex machina [TS]

01:04:26   written [TS]

01:04:26   by west wing guy is working [TS]

01:04:30   Aaron Sorkin writing ex machina would [TS]

01:04:32   make me very happy [TS]

01:04:33   sure it stitch then it literally is the [TS]

01:04:34   west wing with a guy with a jet there's [TS]

01:04:36   a lot of yeah i think they would [TS]

01:04:37   exercise in bartlett yeah sure on [TS]

01:04:39   driving it I'm not against Sorkin fan [TS]

01:04:41   but i think that what it as long as you [TS]

01:04:42   had bryan cave on doing the plot because [TS]

01:04:44   I think circuit is really weak on [TS]

01:04:46   long-term planning and execution but his [TS]

01:04:48   dialogues yummy treats yeah that [TS]

01:04:50   dialogue is great [TS]

01:04:51   yeah although to be fair to von he he's [TS]

01:04:54   not afraid to have long stretches of [TS]

01:04:56   dialogue that are sometimes quite [TS]

01:04:57   enjoyable to read they're not aaron [TS]

01:04:59   sorkin maybe but that he's not afraid to [TS]

01:05:00   have and sometimes clunky times [TS]

01:05:03   yeah it's true so that brings us to the [TS]

01:05:06   end of this edition of the comic book [TS]

01:05:07   club we will discuss more comic related [TS]

01:05:10   things the future podcast look at the [TS]

01:05:12   tradition will announce on the twitters [TS]

01:05:14   yes exactly right [TS]

01:05:15   I'd like to thank my guests in the comic [TS]

01:05:17   book club jason reitman thank you for [TS]

01:05:18   being here again great to be here as [TS]

01:05:19   always and Lisa Schmeisser thank you for [TS]

01:05:22   joining us [TS]

01:05:22   always my pleasure until next time I'm [TS]

01:05:24   Jason smell for the comparable to listen [TS]

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