The Incomparable

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00:00:03 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast number 54 [TS]

00:00:09 ◼   ► August 2011 so we're back on the [TS]

00:00:14 ◼   ► uncomfortable i'm jason l it is the [TS]

00:00:17 ◼   ► comma club I convene this meeting of the [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► comic book club joining me today in the [TS]

00:00:22 ◼   ► studio to talk about comic related [TS]

00:00:25 ◼   ► issues are jason reitman hi Jason [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► hey everyone the price of comics is very [TS]

00:00:29 ◼   ► high that's not what i mean by issues or [TS]

00:00:31 ◼   ► or comic issues individual issues of [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► comics what our individual issues of [TS]

00:00:35 ◼   ► comics yes exactly and Lisa Schmeisser [TS]

00:00:38 ◼   ► is also here hi Lisa I'm unloading all [TS]

00:00:40 ◼   ► of my individual issues of comics all [TS]

00:00:42 ◼   ► right anybody wants them [TS]

00:00:43 ◼   ► well everybody needs to get rid of their [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► issues and move on [TS]

00:00:47 ◼   ► that's just how it is anyway our topic [TS]

00:00:50 ◼   ► today is bryan cave on the writer of [TS]

00:00:53 ◼   ► many different comics in very many [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► different places he's also written some [TS]

00:00:57 ◼   ► TV [TS]

00:00:59 ◼   ► I think you wrote i think i counted five [TS]

00:01:01 ◼   ► episodes of lost he's written [TS]

00:01:02 ◼   ► screenplays he's done all sorts of other [TS]

00:01:04 ◼   ► things but I think we're going to focus [TS]

00:01:06 ◼   ► on three of his comics in particular [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► Runaways what you did for Marvel which [TS]

00:01:12 ◼   ► is in many ways the last creator kind of [TS]

00:01:15 ◼   ► Creator created not you know for a [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► corporate entity comic at Marvel and I [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► at least the only one I can think of in [TS]

00:01:24 ◼   ► a long time where a really strong piece [TS]

00:01:26 ◼   ► of intellectual property was actually [TS]

00:01:27 ◼   ► created out of nothing by a writer which [TS]

00:01:31 ◼   ► is interesting because usually they just [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► take it and build their own series of [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► grounded and they own all the characters [TS]

00:01:35 ◼   ► but he created that for Marvel and then [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► just we can pick it up later into the [TS]

00:01:39 ◼   ► series of that the two creator-owned [TS]

00:01:41 ◼   ► Brian cable on series that we're going [TS]

00:01:43 ◼   ► to talk about our y the last man and ex [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► machina so we've got three bryan cave on [TS]

00:01:51 ◼   ► topics to go on today and I just I was [TS]

00:01:56 ◼   ► cramming this week I i read the rest of [TS]

00:01:58 ◼   ► ex machina which I hadn't finished and i [TS]

00:02:00 ◼   ► went back and re-read y the last man so [TS]

00:02:03 ◼   ► I'm ready [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► nice whose idea was it to do this [TS]

00:02:06 ◼   ► podcast by the way Lisa's life was mine [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► alright Lisa maybe you can get us [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► started then which what would you like [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► to tackle first [TS]

00:02:13 ◼   ► that's a good question i was gonna ask [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► what everyone thinks of the runaways [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► because in many ways I feel like it's [TS]

00:02:20 ◼   ► his Titus cleanest work and i would love [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► to hear opinions on whether and I I find [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► that interesting because it's a piece of [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► work for marble which doesn't have a [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► vested interest in making sure that [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► comic books are tight and clean but [TS]

00:02:35 ◼   ► rather has a vested interest in making [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► sure they've got a narrative that can [TS]

00:02:38 ◼   ► flogged for years and years and years of [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► the time and get if you read the first [TS]

00:02:42 ◼   ► step in someone different ways that he [TS]

00:02:44 ◼   ► wrote it's it's an excellent standalone [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► series you can walk away from it when it [TS]

00:02:47 ◼   ► was done and never have to pick it up [TS]

00:02:49 ◼   ► again and you have a very satisfying [TS]

00:02:51 ◼   ► book I'm the beauty of creating new [TS]

00:02:53 ◼   ► characters as you can start clean and [TS]

00:02:55 ◼   ► tell a relatively clean story in a way [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► you can if you have to go back over [TS]

00:02:58 ◼   ► everything with the story is just really [TS]

00:03:00 ◼   ► it hangs together beautifully [TS]

00:03:02 ◼   ► I think we should just blow the spoiler [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► alert for now so that we can continue [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► this question let's talk about the [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► fundamental premise of it before we blow [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► this boiler Hornet because it doesn't [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► really spoil it to say that the [TS]

00:03:14 ◼   ► fundamental premise is what happens if [TS]

00:03:16 ◼   ► you discover that your parents and all [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► of their boring friends that they hang [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► out with once a year are actually cabal [TS]

00:03:21 ◼   ► of supervillains encompassing everything [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► isn't great with the big concept is [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► actually was going to say that I guess I [TS]

00:03:27 ◼   ► think it's safe to say he's the best [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► concept guy in the industry like I'd [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► love to be in the pitch meetings because [TS]

00:03:33 ◼   ► all of his books can do that one [TS]

00:03:35 ◼   ► sentence pitch we just go that's a [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► brilliant idea [TS]

00:03:38 ◼   ► his pitches are basically tweets right [TS]

00:03:40 ◼   ► yeah dimensions really has a best the [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► best elevator pitch practice would be [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► sadly I do think those are the best [TS]

00:03:46 ◼   ► parts of his book haha the he's got the [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► high-concept really well and then it [TS]

00:03:52 ◼   ► starts to me breaking down on the this [TS]

00:03:55 ◼   ► the character story and it i always [TS]

00:03:58 ◼   ► enjoy the concepts more than I enjoy the [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► stories so with that makes sense [TS]

00:04:01 ◼   ► ok so with Runaways the the way it's [TS]

00:04:05 ◼   ► played is is a is really interesting [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► they the kids discover this about their [TS]

00:04:11 ◼   ► parents and that initial arc is i think [TS]

00:04:15 ◼   ► i think really amazing now it does [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► continue on beyond that and that's I [TS]

00:04:20 ◼   ► think where you get into this question [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► of what is the premise here is there [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► enough to sustain it when does it become [TS]

00:04:24 ◼   ► just sort of an endless story of you [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► know these characters having adventures [TS]

00:04:29 ◼   ► for [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► this is telling an arc where it the [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► other two books do have an arc and they [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► do have an ending Runaways is a marvel [TS]

00:04:36 ◼   ► comic it's open-ended and they'd sort of [TS]

00:04:39 ◼   ► solve the mystery of their parents and [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► then they move on like a very get the [TS]

00:04:44 ◼   ► story right [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► really really good in that first arc [TS]

00:04:47 ◼   ► talking about the characters do you [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► remember any of their names his carolina [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► who is the space alien yeah and a [TS]

00:04:53 ◼   ► lesbian she's a lesbian there is alex [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► who is the brainy guy who ultimately [TS]

00:04:58 ◼   ► sells out the team there's Molly who's [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► the mutant there's Gertrude who is [TS]

00:05:03 ◼   ► bonded to the Tyrannosaurus Rex and [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► she's basically the brains of the [TS]

00:05:06 ◼   ► operation always the young one to write [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► always the very young team care about [TS]

00:05:10 ◼   ► any of these people i have to admit i [TS]

00:05:12 ◼   ► have a fondness for Gertrude ID Act [TS]

00:05:15 ◼   ► which you know so like I said just read [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► that are because if you really like her [TS]

00:05:20 ◼   ► teacher like what happens liquor [TS]

00:05:22 ◼   ► um and what you actually kind of look a [TS]

00:05:26 ◼   ► little bit like Richard again it's [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► probably a typical process on the [TS]

00:05:29 ◼   ► podcast with the glasses and the hair [TS]

00:05:31 ◼   ► yeah glasses and the hair it's there to [TS]

00:05:33 ◼   ► I'm and god help me i'm trying i'm [TS]

00:05:35 ◼   ► blanking on the last to her the goth [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► girl / / which Oh Nico and with the with [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► the with the wanderer can only cast what [TS]

00:05:44 ◼   ► the each spell one time you know which i [TS]

00:05:46 ◼   ► think is a wonderful and interesting [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► limitation and because it forces her to [TS]

00:05:50 ◼   ► get creative and again be brilliant [TS]

00:05:52 ◼   ► concept that's the one that I didn't [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► really read for this podcast and I'm [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► trying to remember the name of the kid [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► who flies the ship and his girlfriend's [TS]

00:05:59 ◼   ► boyfriend she's not coming to me that [TS]

00:06:01 ◼   ► actually Carolina is the one that I that [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► I remember [TS]

00:06:06 ◼   ► yeah and I you know i love i love the [TS]

00:06:09 ◼   ► whole premise of naturalistic hippie [TS]

00:06:11 ◼   ► supervillain well well I i really like i [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► really like and and this is a maybe this [TS]

00:06:18 ◼   ► is why joss whedon was so attracted two [TS]

00:06:21 ◼   ► Runaways too because one of the things I [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► liked about Buffy especially is that [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► whole game of taking these tropes from [TS]

00:06:28 ◼   ► sci-fi and comics and fantasy and [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► wrapping regular everyday growing up but [TS]

00:06:34 ◼   ► you know adolescent heartbreak in those [TS]

00:06:37 ◼   ► concepts and Runaways does that like [TS]

00:06:40 ◼   ► Buffy did that and carolina is a great [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► example of that because she's got all [TS]

00:06:43 ◼   ► these [TS]

00:06:44 ◼   ► powers but she discovers she's not [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► really who she thought she was because [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► she's an alien and then she discovers [TS]

00:06:48 ◼   ► she's not who she thought she was [TS]

00:06:50 ◼   ► because she's a lesbian and it's you [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► know I I kind of love that kind of its [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► like the rent in yeah she's kind of a [TS]

00:06:57 ◼   ► willow analog in a lot of ways which but [TS]

00:07:00 ◼   ► that said I don't think it's so much [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► about the characters is it is about what [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► a great concept is your you discover you [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► know these are kids superheroes have to [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► fight their parents they literally [TS]

00:07:08 ◼   ► rebelling against their parents because [TS]

00:07:10 ◼   ► their parents are evil and was really [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► that was really sweet about the way that [TS]

00:07:14 ◼   ► they wrap that up as their parents who [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► admittedly you're evil and self-serving [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► are also step up to the plate as parents [TS]

00:07:20 ◼   ► the very last minute all right they are [TS]

00:07:22 ◼   ► their parents and the parents love them [TS]

00:07:23 ◼   ► yeah it's just happened as a weevil [TS]

00:07:25 ◼   ► which which is you could have had the [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► turn [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► you know in a lesser story which would [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► have been we didn't like you anyway use [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► we're evil blah and it's no its day [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► they're quite upset about this and try [TS]

00:07:35 ◼   ► to explain you know why it is the way it [TS]

00:07:38 ◼   ► is it in a more and it is taking more [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► serious than something like always abyss [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► is that the name of the comic words the [TS]

00:07:45 ◼   ► the kid discovers that his dad is a [TS]

00:07:48 ◼   ► supervillain it's a very similar kind of [TS]

00:07:49 ◼   ► thing and there's a he controls a robot [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► it'sit's another comic with a similar [TS]

00:07:53 ◼   ► premise but it's played for laughs and [TS]

00:07:56 ◼   ► one of the things I like about Runaways [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► is that it feels more emotionally [TS]

00:08:00 ◼   ► genuine if there's a Runaways issue and [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► i can't remember if it's actually bryan [TS]

00:08:05 ◼   ► cave on her Joss Whedon wrote later [TS]

00:08:07 ◼   ► where you find out that Molly has been [TS]

00:08:09 ◼   ► having a series of dreams or nightmares [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► where she dreams that her parents are [TS]

00:08:11 ◼   ► still alive and everything is the way it [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► was before she knew what they were about [TS]

00:08:15 ◼   ► because she misses her parents and is [TS]

00:08:18 ◼   ► brian k yeah and it's a fantastic it's a [TS]

00:08:21 ◼   ► fantastic issue because it reminds you [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► that even though these kids had to grab [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► with the fact that their parents are [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► super villains who tried to sell the [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► planet to a bunch of interdimensional [TS]

00:08:29 ◼   ► aliens look first and foremost they were [TS]

00:08:32 ◼   ► mom and dad and they love their mom and [TS]

00:08:34 ◼   ► dad we miss them very much and i'm not [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► going to solve them to the alien just [TS]

00:08:38 ◼   ► going to come with them [TS]

00:08:39 ◼   ► yeah right yeah and there was the whole [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► well you were going to betray us see [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► your kid could live in there like yes [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► that's what you're going to do so before [TS]

00:08:46 ◼   ► you get on your high horse about it you [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► know [TS]

00:08:48 ◼   ► mote in the eye but I like this story [TS]

00:08:52 ◼   ► because it's fast-paced it is you have [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► to move its boom boom and [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► I like that it's a peek into the marvel [TS]

00:08:59 ◼   ► vs where people tend to regard folks [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► like Captain America and or the mutants [TS]

00:09:03 ◼   ► not as you know torture protagonist and [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► interesting characters but is a didactic [TS]

00:09:07 ◼   ► pains in the rear end and there was no [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► costumes [TS]

00:09:12 ◼   ► yes no crimes really they tried the code [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► names they realize how silly they were [TS]

00:09:16 ◼   ► and that's what i liked about it was it [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► subverts all of those conventions so it [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► sort of has all the things that I that I [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► liked about the new mutants yeah when [TS]

00:09:24 ◼   ► they started except without the [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► superhero x-men tractions they're just [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► Custer on their own and then that's the [TS]

00:09:31 ◼   ► whole point of what waterways premises [TS]

00:09:33 ◼   ► really there the anti x-men there the [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► x-men without a professor x they're just [TS]

00:09:38 ◼   ► on their own [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► that's all the guy do like that Marvel's [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► kept the premise where the runaways were [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► like you know we're not really planning [TS]

00:09:44 ◼   ► on hanging out with anybody we're pretty [TS]

00:09:46 ◼   ► happy with just of the bunch of us even [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► when later they had the robot and in the [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► hope that there was a couple of Runaways [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► x-men chromosomal crossover yeah yeah [TS]

00:09:57 ◼   ► and apparently Molly beats up Wolverine [TS]

00:09:59 ◼   ► and in one of them from what i can [TS]

00:10:01 ◼   ► remember which is very funny because [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► he's like a world full of depowered [TS]

00:10:03 ◼   ► mutants that girl has to keep our but [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► yeah [TS]

00:10:07 ◼   ► womp womp right kind of harkens back to [TS]

00:10:09 ◼   ► and Wolverine powerpack used to buy a [TS]

00:10:11 ◼   ► classic yeah but everybody loves the [TS]

00:10:14 ◼   ► powerpack I think it just you know a [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► little girl kicking Wolverines ask never [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► gets never sold a powerpack I really [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► that explains a little girl tonight so [TS]

00:10:21 ◼   ► powerpack was you know book about little [TS]

00:10:25 ◼   ► kids for four little kids is how I [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► always read that and I just fairly or [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► not that's how I always readily read it [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► now Runaways is not okay read it now [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► because the that's my impression I was a [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► kid and I just recently gonna ride this [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► baby scour book right I was the x-men [TS]

00:10:40 ◼   ► the it's written for comic fans who have [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► kids [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► uh-huh and if you have kids and you read [TS]

00:10:48 ◼   ► it into a whole different experience [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► let's go up and is the first 25 issues [TS]

00:10:53 ◼   ► are some of the most enjoyable comic i [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► did not think we would be endorsing [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► power pack during this is Right slight [TS]

00:10:59 ◼   ► tangent there [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► Wow no that's okay that does bring up a [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► really interesting podcast the future [TS]

00:11:04 ◼   ► which is one of the comics you plan on [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► reading with or to your kids that's a [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► great one as parents here for all [TS]

00:11:10 ◼   ► no experience no and Jill Thompson has a [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► series called Trixie the magic girl and [TS]

00:11:13 ◼   ► I thought hey I have a daughter named [TS]

00:11:15 ◼   ► Trixie you can be darn sure i'm going to [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► be a stocking up on those books for her [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► for when she's older [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► yeah absolutely yes I'm doing that with [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► my daughter [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► slowly i went i won't found her asleep [TS]

00:11:25 ◼   ► with the Marvel encyclopedia open on her [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► chest the other you're raising right [TS]

00:11:29 ◼   ► yeah my son who's just turned to can [TS]

00:11:33 ◼   ► pick out spider-man which is good and [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► the agency's win my son and I had to [TS]

00:11:37 ◼   ► have a talk about spider-man and Batman [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► because he has lots of Batman stuff and [TS]

00:11:42 ◼   ► I had to explain how spider-man is [TS]

00:11:44 ◼   ► absolutely better than that man not and [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► and that he was wrong in thinking Batman [TS]

00:11:50 ◼   ► was so great but we we came to an [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► agreement broke up a deal brokered by my [TS]

00:11:54 ◼   ► wife where we explain that [TS]

00:11:56 ◼   ► that man's got cooler stuff and so of [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► course kids are gonna love the batman [TS]

00:12:01 ◼   ► toys because Batman does have cooler [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► stuff there's no double spider-man's [TS]

00:12:04 ◼   ► just got himself but that man's got [TS]

00:12:05 ◼   ► every gadget imaginable in the toy line [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► you can get like a spider mobile and a [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► spider playing well and all that that [TS]

00:12:12 ◼   ► was what my spider-sense spider-man [TS]

00:12:14 ◼   ► totally has a car and a jet and a [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► motorcycle make wow that hurts you know [TS]

00:12:18 ◼   ► I wonder kids gravitate to DC more than [TS]

00:12:20 ◼   ► marble though because my nephew's are [TS]

00:12:22 ◼   ► both really big into DC decent is the [TS]

00:12:25 ◼   ► coolest superhero also did he's always [TS]

00:12:26 ◼   ► done the the day [TS]

00:12:28 ◼   ► cartoons yeah really wanted growing up [TS]

00:12:30 ◼   ► for us was to justice league game so [TS]

00:12:32 ◼   ► we're totally on a tangent here there's [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► just there's a book series called DC [TS]

00:12:35 ◼   ► Super Pets which is the pets of the [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► superhero like Rex the wonder dog is [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► fantastic and that my son absolutely [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► adores wow so he's in he's now thrilling [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► to the adventures of Krypto the Superdog [TS]

00:12:47 ◼   ► and his pals who are all they all are [TS]

00:12:51 ◼   ► analogues there the Mets of each one of [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► them is as their their person is a super [TS]

00:12:56 ◼   ► I have to read this isn't dying to find [TS]

00:12:59 ◼   ► out right now Julien may loan you some [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► of his compensate for Colin's nicely [TS]

00:13:02 ◼   ► says that it is we're in this little kid [TS]

00:13:04 ◼   ► let's jump it up to [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► y the last man ok the incredible totally [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► adult because y the last man premise [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► which everyone should know is every [TS]

00:13:13 ◼   ► person with the y-chromosome animal or [TS]

00:13:16 ◼   ► human dies immediately one second doll [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► dead drop dead except for one guy [TS]

00:13:23 ◼   ► and instead monkey who is also mail he [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► was also mail and so I mean and that's [TS]

00:13:27 ◼   ► how many of us i haven't had those [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► dreams of being the last guy on the [TS]

00:13:31 ◼   ► planet and what that would entail right [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► and the answer is that it's actually [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► kind of kind of stuff like that yeah [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► that's the beauty of it is is that it's [TS]

00:13:38 ◼   ► an apocalypse story with this with this [TS]

00:13:41 ◼   ► really great twist which is ok if it's [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► just women on the planet [TS]

00:13:46 ◼   ► what happens then and although [TS]

00:13:49 ◼   ► interesting that it's written by a man I [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► always found that little bit strange [TS]

00:13:52 ◼   ► that all the characters women except for [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► except for Yorick and the monkey & % [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► greatest name for a month whatever yes I [TS]

00:14:00 ◼   ► always thought that was a little strange [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► that they this world of women is [TS]

00:14:03 ◼   ► conceived of by a man by male writers [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► always thought that was a little odd [TS]

00:14:06 ◼   ► just me now but I was going to say about [TS]

00:14:09 ◼   ► it is one of the things I've actually [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► grappled with our reading that book is [TS]

00:14:15 ◼   ► you have a plethora of strong well [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► written characters and I thought to [TS]

00:14:18 ◼   ► myself [TS]

00:14:19 ◼   ► absolutely none of these people these [TS]

00:14:20 ◼   ► women would ever be included or make it [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► in a book that was supposed to be mixed [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► gender and the only way that you have so [TS]

00:14:26 ◼   ► many strong female characters is by [TS]

00:14:28 ◼   ► absolutely eliminating every other man [TS]

00:14:30 ◼   ► on the planet or in or in this [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► traditional fictitious universe and I [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► think it says something about the state [TS]

00:14:37 ◼   ► of comics in general that in order for [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► readers to accept a universe full of [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► flawed well-rounded strong resourceful [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► evil plot in calculating in other words [TS]

00:14:50 ◼   ► fully dimensional female characters the [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► only way that people could apparently [TS]

00:14:53 ◼   ► swallow that was by okay of course these [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► people stepped into the room now there [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► are no man on the planet [TS]

00:14:58 ◼   ► um it's it's kind of sad away there's a [TS]

00:15:01 ◼   ► funny moment where they where they [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► mentioned actually in the last issue [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► that I mean that Iran has the has the [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► bomb [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► they've built a nuclear bomb and it's [TS]

00:15:11 ◼   ► aii that really struck me because it is [TS]

00:15:14 ◼   ► he's saying you know we could take all [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► the men out of the equation but people [TS]

00:15:19 ◼   ► are people even integers but it is [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► alright then very slowly i'll get back [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► to human nature as the story goes on and [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► the natives start getting back to the [TS]

00:15:26 ◼   ► nation's and the tribes and yeah yeah [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► well what's interesting is how much of [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► the first third of the book you have [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► some people who take a look at this [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► planetary event is [TS]

00:15:36 ◼   ► it's radically change society I mean [TS]

00:15:38 ◼   ► that's the whole point to the daughters [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► of the Amazon and then you have some [TS]

00:15:42 ◼   ► people who are doing everything they can [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► to try to maintain this this society [TS]

00:15:47 ◼   ► that were like the ones at the sons of [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► America or the sons of Arizona Arizona [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► yeah yeah where you know ocean and the [TS]

00:15:53 ◼   ► government right the US government is [TS]

00:15:55 ◼   ► trying to do that to the Secretary of [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► Agriculture isn't have a branded United [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► States and its pretty I think it's true [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► to life in a way that you know if you [TS]

00:16:04 ◼   ► put if you were to lose an entire gender [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► you're not gonna say who now is the [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► exciting opportunity for us to rethink [TS]

00:16:09 ◼   ► gender constructed and move on you first [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► met orders is survival and to do that [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► you may want to stick with the societal [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► patterns and philosophies that you know [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► work for you already [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► but you know it does over time [TS]

00:16:27 ◼   ► gender become so much less relevant I [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► think that that's what makes the last [TS]

00:16:31 ◼   ► issue so powerful is so much is made of [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► york being the only man four so much and [TS]

00:16:37 ◼   ► then by the last issue you just see how [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► completely irrelevant he's become [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► because there is no longer a man kind of [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► womankind there's just humankind there's [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► a default doesn't include man and and [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► wish you know gender is a role as more [TS]

00:16:50 ◼   ► or less obsolete or gender is a [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► construct I mean that the cloned matter [TS]

00:16:53 ◼   ► seen more as oddities and they are as a [TS]

00:16:54 ◼   ► as a standard standard human beings i [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► think because while you're reading it [TS]

00:17:00 ◼   ► you're really thinking that there they [TS]

00:17:02 ◼   ► gotta preserve humanity why bye little [TS]

00:17:06 ◼   ► man and and and let's get a breeding [TS]

00:17:08 ◼   ► stock together and eventually will get [TS]

00:17:09 ◼   ► back to normal menu flash forward to [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► when your kids 18 you see that most [TS]

00:17:12 ◼   ► unlike actually pretty comfortable [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► clothing we're happy with it in fact [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► effective particle and it's hard to [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► climb n so we don't do it very often but [TS]

00:17:19 ◼   ► when clone women really easily grasped [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► yeah before it got to the point there's [TS]

00:17:23 ◼   ► a really nice sort of scene in the book [TS]

00:17:25 ◼   ► where they were talking about the [TS]

00:17:26 ◼   ► animals that have gone extinct have a [TS]

00:17:28 ◼   ► sense that that the the rodents that one [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► because of the 18-month gestational [TS]

00:17:32 ◼   ► cycle right a fly's went extinct within [TS]

00:17:34 ◼   ► a half an hour after it and then yeah [TS]

00:17:37 ◼   ► but that's right they they say they're [TS]

00:17:38 ◼   ► no rats because the rats would have gone [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► extinct except in there are rats because [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► nature finds away and the rats in the [TS]

00:17:43 ◼   ► trashcan the sharks could do that [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► matches [TS]

00:17:46 ◼   ► yes so I why not anyone else a lot of a [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► lot [TS]

00:17:49 ◼   ► fish and a lot of reptiles do it now [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► what i thought was interesting was the [TS]

00:17:52 ◼   ► last one remember you find out that [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► there's they're working to support the [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► poachers against the lions and I thought [TS]

00:17:56 ◼   ► that was nice to rupted to point out [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► that you were still going to have these [TS]

00:18:00 ◼   ► terrible phenomenon where people are [TS]

00:18:02 ◼   ► hunting and killing their animals [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► because they can [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► there was some editing job of showing [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► how women weren't all sugar and spice [TS]

00:18:10 ◼   ► and everything nice and the in the book [TS]

00:18:13 ◼   ► and they also showed how people are kind [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► of blinker by cultural assumptions [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► because to go back to it again like the [TS]

00:18:17 ◼   ► women in the Dreamtime and they point [TS]

00:18:19 ◼   ► out that women on the African savannah [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► we're hardly affected because their [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► lives had been so sharply segregated [TS]

00:18:24 ◼   ► anyway that you know if a man dies so [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► what we're still hunters gatherers we've [TS]

00:18:29 ◼   ► always been we always will be friends in [TS]

00:18:33 ◼   ► DC everything falls apart and they point [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► out that you know that there are so many [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► professions that were so predominantly [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► male in order to return to level of [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► technological competence you'd have to [TS]

00:18:42 ◼   ► search far and wide and how do you build [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► up that knowledge base again and what [TS]

00:18:47 ◼   ► nations have advantages for example [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► australia has a huge advantage because [TS]

00:18:50 ◼   ► it had women who could operate [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► submarines and that's something the u.s. [TS]

00:18:53 ◼   ► didn't have I mean in real life women [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► are only now beginning to get training [TS]

00:18:57 ◼   ► in the u.s. Navy for submarines see this [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► one of those things that that not to get [TS]

00:19:01 ◼   ► all you know postmodern here but I was a [TS]

00:19:04 ◼   ► comm major so it is why the last man [TS]

00:19:08 ◼   ► feminist is it anti-feminist is it [TS]

00:19:13 ◼   ► something in between because I can go [TS]

00:19:15 ◼   ► both ways right on one level what you [TS]

00:19:17 ◼   ► said about how you know one of the [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► stories is look women can be just as bad [TS]

00:19:21 ◼   ► as men right i mean that is one of the [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► things that happens in this which to me [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► is not necessarily a positive message [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► it's sort of saying look if we take many [TS]

00:19:30 ◼   ► of the equation you'll see the women are [TS]

00:19:32 ◼   ► just as capable of all the terrible [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► things that men are but at the same time [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► it also makes lots of comments about how [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► women are given opportunities in our [TS]

00:19:41 ◼   ► world that they that they finally get [TS]

00:19:43 ◼   ► only after this ridiculous catastrophe [TS]

00:19:45 ◼   ► happens and then there's you know in [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► between that this a lot of time spent on [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► on gender not mattering so you know i'm [TS]

00:19:55 ◼   ► not quite sure what I think it's it [TS]

00:19:56 ◼   ► there's a lot here obviously and it's [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► probably a little bit of all those [TS]

00:19:59 ◼   ► things but but I I'm kind of ambivalent [TS]

00:20:02 ◼   ► about I can [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► say this is a you know it's a feminist [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► work that is about why women you know [TS]

00:20:09 ◼   ► have all these things that are never [TS]

00:20:11 ◼   ► allowed to do except maybe on the metal [TS]

00:20:13 ◼   ► level of commentary that usually you [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► don't see it took a couple semesters of [TS]

00:20:17 ◼   ► feminist theory in college and grad [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► school and I'm sorry you know i mean i [TS]

00:20:21 ◼   ► was a comm major so ya know what i was [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► going to say is is you I that's kind of [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► a loaded question as just because [TS]

00:20:27 ◼   ► there's so many different definitions of [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► feminism is true what you can do is you [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► can argue that y the last man maybe [TS]

00:20:32 ◼   ► feminist from a classical feminist [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► perspective where the gold classical [TS]

00:20:36 ◼   ► feminism is to make sure that there's [TS]

00:20:37 ◼   ► equal access and opportunity for all [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► genders but you can also argue that y [TS]

00:20:41 ◼   ► the last man is not feminist if you look [TS]

00:20:44 ◼   ► at feminism as being defined by gender [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► essentialism or if you look at feminism [TS]

00:20:48 ◼   ► is being defined by again like [TS]

00:20:51 ◼   ► postmodernist feminists who would say [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► that it's all just a societal construct [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► and and on and on it goes so I don't [TS]

00:20:59 ◼   ► think you can say definitively it's [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► feminists are not feminist I think what [TS]

00:21:01 ◼   ► you can say is it's just a look at what [TS]

00:21:05 ◼   ► happens when you take an entire gender [TS]

00:21:08 ◼   ► and it's societal constructions out of [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► the picture what happens to people rush [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► to fill that void with something that [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► feels familiar do they try to rewrite [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► the definitions of gender or does gender [TS]

00:21:18 ◼   ► become completely irrelevant of the [TS]

00:21:20 ◼   ► rushing to fill the void it was [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► interesting they focus on this a couple [TS]

00:21:23 ◼   ► times in the book the women who dress up [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► as men and act as prostitutes [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► oh yeah you're probably talking about [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► the transsexuals you know that the the [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► female-to-male transsexuals were [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► tremendously popular that they mentioned [TS]

00:21:35 ◼   ► that a couple times in the series 2 [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► because these were women who were [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► essentially going to put men to feel the [TS]

00:21:40 ◼   ► a filling the rolls [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► yeah everybody comes down to if if you [TS]

00:21:44 ◼   ► lose half of your planet maybe you're [TS]

00:21:46 ◼   ► like oh my god when we do now and [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► instead of thinking all blank slate with [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► recast society or like let's try to fill [TS]

00:21:53 ◼   ► in the blanks because this is how we [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► know how to function [TS]

00:21:56 ◼   ► you know it's like putting a spare tire [TS]

00:21:58 ◼   ► on a car rather than saying let's find [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► an exciting new automotive paradigm [TS]

00:22:02 ◼   ► where we have a cloud of air we float on [TS]

00:22:04 ◼   ► now [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► yeah I I i can't help thinking though [TS]

00:22:07 ◼   ► that it comes back to the fact that this [TS]

00:22:11 ◼   ► is a he knows he knows that there are [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► all sorts of different things going on [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► here [TS]

00:22:16 ◼   ► and he tries to address that he's got [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► the supermodel who is collecting dead [TS]

00:22:20 ◼   ► bodies which is kind of an interesting [TS]

00:22:21 ◼   ► commentary he's he's extremely aware of [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► all the gender issues that are going on [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► in what he's writing that this isn't [TS]

00:22:28 ◼   ► just a story about the protagonist is a [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► man 2 let's just say that [TS]

00:22:31 ◼   ► yorick is the protagonist so it's a man [TS]

00:22:33 ◼   ► riding the man is the main character [TS]

00:22:35 ◼   ► even in a world where all the other men [TS]

00:22:37 ◼   ► are dead they still managed to have one [TS]

00:22:39 ◼   ► guy who is the protagonist let him into [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► the day with damsel-in-distress he's [TS]

00:22:43 ◼   ► totally in your desktop like oh yeah the [TS]

00:22:45 ◼   ► only characters not the only got like [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► five is like a slacker loser there was a [TS]

00:22:49 ◼   ► real magician brainstorming nothing [TS]

00:22:51 ◼   ► redeemable about him as a character [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► yeah he doesn't even have any [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► outstanding personal qualities no he [TS]

00:22:56 ◼   ► wasn't that interesting so again you [TS]

00:22:58 ◼   ► know it's it's there's his perspective [TS]

00:23:01 ◼   ► and yet he's the last and he's he's [TS]

00:23:03 ◼   ► messed up he's not he's kind of a [TS]

00:23:05 ◼   ► slacker right um so all all that's going [TS]

00:23:08 ◼   ► on and yet you know again my my my comm [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► major speaking here is at the same time [TS]

00:23:14 ◼   ► the male rider to male-dominated comic [TS]

00:23:16 ◼   ► industry more more i think even now we [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► could say more comics readers are men [TS]

00:23:21 ◼   ► then women right although it's I think [TS]

00:23:25 ◼   ► that composition is changing and that [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► you can't you can't just assume [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► commentators are men like you could in [TS]

00:23:31 ◼   ► the past me it was not true then it's [TS]

00:23:33 ◼   ► really not true now and I've been seen [TS]

00:23:35 ◼   ► at comic-con and other places totally [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► not true but i have to say that and I [TS]

00:23:39 ◼   ► also have to say male rider and all this [TS]

00:23:41 ◼   ► the while it's logical that you would [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► have lots of lesbianism in a post mail [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► world because people are still sexual [TS]

00:23:51 ◼   ► creatures and they you know and there [TS]

00:23:53 ◼   ► are no man anymore and so it doesn't [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► matter what your preferences you got no [TS]

00:23:56 ◼   ► choice here [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► there were times when I thought that the [TS]

00:24:01 ◼   ► you know it's hard for me to watch [TS]

00:24:04 ◼   ► scenes of lesbian lesbianism in popular [TS]

00:24:07 ◼   ► culture especially written by a man and [TS]

00:24:09 ◼   ► not think of who the audience's dear [TS]

00:24:11 ◼   ► penthouse you never thought it would [TS]

00:24:13 ◼   ► happen that one day one day i'm inclined [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► and then and then and right down to the [TS]

00:24:20 ◼   ► last issue the last issue [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► yeah we're in flesh squishing you have [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► here on Beth get together and exactly [TS]

00:24:26 ◼   ► they don't skimp on the details which is [TS]

00:24:28 ◼   ► probably not unrealistic [TS]

00:24:30 ◼   ► again but at the same time I don't know [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► I'm kind of conflicted because it's also [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► a guy riding probably for more men than [TS]

00:24:36 ◼   ► women scenes with lesbians kissing and [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► having sex and it's like yes I think [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► extrapolation wise it's right in that [TS]

00:24:43 ◼   ► same time on like how much of this is [TS]

00:24:45 ◼   ► serious [TS]

00:24:47 ◼   ► I'm telling a story and this is what [TS]

00:24:48 ◼   ► would happen how much of it is sort of [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► titillation right and i think it did it [TS]

00:24:52 ◼   ► varied because they were sometimes what [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► happened that it did move the story [TS]

00:24:55 ◼   ► along and it was there is like here for [TS]

00:24:58 ◼   ► development and other times it did feel [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► more others got a little safe world plot [TS]

00:25:02 ◼   ► safeword plotline were your account ASAP [TS]

00:25:04 ◼   ► I'm experience because it's supposed to [TS]

00:25:06 ◼   ► exercises 454 guilty for being the last [TS]

00:25:08 ◼   ► man on the planet and I was weird [TS]

00:25:10 ◼   ► really really this is where you're gonna [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► go with this so early in the series but [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► yea to return I think the whole what i [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► thought was interesting about brian [TS]

00:25:17 ◼   ► bondus he basically wrote a whole series [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► where I feel like your kids kind of the [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► shaggy dog in the story because use the [TS]

00:25:24 ◼   ► MacGuffin well because you're lucky [TS]

00:25:27 ◼   ► about how much energy agent 355 and [TS]

00:25:30 ◼   ► allison man and everybody else two votes [TS]

00:25:32 ◼   ► to keeping him alive for the propagation [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► of the species only at the end to figure [TS]

00:25:36 ◼   ► out that their aims and their goals were [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► completely obsolete and so is York and [TS]

00:25:41 ◼   ► that's what unfolds over the whole [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► series is the idea that focusing on the [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► last managed to completely misplaced [TS]

00:25:45 ◼   ► focus because obviously he's just a [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► leftover he's not necessary to the [TS]

00:25:50 ◼   ► propagation of the species not even [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► necessary to to the women his live-in in [TS]

00:25:54 ◼   ► his life and um in cerritos one of the [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► things that the the it [TS]

00:25:59 ◼   ► the ending was a little unsatisfying for [TS]

00:26:02 ◼   ► me because so much was invested in him [TS]

00:26:05 ◼   ► in the journey the adventure the finding [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► the solution that kind of bit and it is [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► the end he doesn't matter because you [TS]

00:26:12 ◼   ► don't like that doesn't matter you feel [TS]

00:26:14 ◼   ► like but I get the journey was the point [TS]

00:26:17 ◼   ► or maybe it was maybe just maybe shift [TS]

00:26:19 ◼   ► in the society or maybe it does matter [TS]

00:26:21 ◼   ► I mean right because because it's not as [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► if at the end it's just him and a bunch [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► of women at the end he is boiler horn [TS]

00:26:30 ◼   ► at the end there is a clone of him and [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► there are 13 other clones of 79 or 17 [TS]

00:26:38 ◼   ► and he had a baby right yeah well he had [TS]

00:26:40 ◼   ► a baby with Beth which was Beth to right [TS]

00:26:42 ◼   ► there are three characters in better [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► than this [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► yeah but by the way i like to call her [TS]

00:26:46 ◼   ► the night it's very confusing and I [TS]

00:26:49 ◼   ► don't like original bet there's the [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► Russian that is the mean and there's the [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► Russian baby who is a boy [TS]

00:26:53 ◼   ► yeah right well we're not because it was [TS]

00:26:55 ◼   ► will about his brilliant a reveal as [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► I've seen in any comic where they [TS]

00:26:59 ◼   ► discovered that the astronauts up but at [TS]

00:27:01 ◼   ► the Russian space station are still [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► alive because they weren't on earth yeah [TS]

00:27:04 ◼   ► that was that was a pretty great missing [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► her a man and a woman and then die if i [TS]

00:27:09 ◼   ► were those men i would be like I'm never [TS]

00:27:10 ◼   ► leaving this notation up while they were [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► there because they run out of oxygen [TS]

00:27:13 ◼   ► have to come back say I was gonna 212 so [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► it's like a year into the serious [TS]

00:27:18 ◼   ► suddenly there's two more men in the [TS]

00:27:20 ◼   ► cosmos right well Brian Vaughn great at [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► the at the long reveal because he did [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► that in X market which we'll get to in a [TS]

00:27:26 ◼   ► second I wanted to I wanted to say [TS]

00:27:28 ◼   ► anyway my point about the last issue is [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► that because there the clones there [TS]

00:27:33 ◼   ► there is this question like well maybe [TS]

00:27:34 ◼   ► now there is a role for men in this [TS]

00:27:37 ◼   ► world because there are these clone [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► York's going around but it's not it's [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► not the we have to save society by [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► having men which is the original premise [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► is you you are meant to read it as this [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► standard he's the last man we got to [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► keep him alive because it's the only [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► hope for the human race and i love how [TS]

00:27:55 ◼   ► he pulls that away and says now it's not [TS]

00:27:58 ◼   ► all the whole premise you thought was [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► true it's not true and then again at the [TS]

00:28:01 ◼   ► end he goes but doesn't mean that it [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► didn't matter [TS]

00:28:04 ◼   ► maybe in the long run he has a place [TS]

00:28:07 ◼   ► it's just not he's not the solution to [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► the the Savior he's not the savior of [TS]

00:28:11 ◼   ► the human race York Brown is not going [TS]

00:28:14 ◼   ► to sadies Irish floats are as useless as [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► he was [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► yes this is also dream maybe this is [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► actually another to get back to home at [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► a commentary question and especially [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► Brian Vaughn is writing a story you know [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► a man is writing a story and for a [TS]

00:28:27 ◼   ► male-dominated medium for a [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► male-dominated audience and so instead [TS]

00:28:30 ◼   ► of writing a term paper on that one but [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► what I'm saying is by the last episode [TS]

00:28:33 ◼   ► but he's basically saying our men in [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► this world have become what women in the [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► comics book narrative often are which is [TS]

00:28:39 ◼   ► the throw home which is the present [TS]

00:28:41 ◼   ► which is present the present [TS]

00:28:43 ◼   ► it there occasionally useful and or [TS]

00:28:45 ◼   ► amusing but you're not going to put them [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► front and center as protagonist they're [TS]

00:28:50 ◼   ► not going to be useful I don't let me [TS]

00:28:51 ◼   ► just terrified that was it doesn't make [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► you feel dirty [TS]

00:28:54 ◼   ► yeah it was really your clone okay [TS]

00:28:57 ◼   ► pretty boy come yeah yeah put on this [TS]

00:29:00 ◼   ► task instructor mama but the issue 61 [TS]

00:29:06 ◼   ► yes interesting though the to the your [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► character kind of a slacker useless guy [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► that as you're reading you want him to [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► do more you want him to be more and more [TS]

00:29:17 ◼   ► but I had the same thing reading x [TS]

00:29:19 ◼   ► makina with Marilyn hunt mirror hundred [TS]

00:29:22 ◼   ► hundred hundred before we get to sx [TS]

00:29:24 ◼   ► market because I know you're trying to [TS]

00:29:25 ◼   ► make a transition have one more thing to [TS]

00:29:26 ◼   ► talk about about why the last man which [TS]

00:29:28 ◼   ► is brian capons most noted work i want [TS]

00:29:31 ◼   ► to talk about why i want to talk about [TS]

00:29:33 ◼   ► why the plague happened because i think [TS]

00:29:36 ◼   ► we talked about the ending a little bit [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► and i like that there was an ending but [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► but the people often look for answers to [TS]

00:29:43 ◼   ► questions posed in works of fiction [TS]

00:29:45 ◼   ► I've discovered this and and sometimes [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► the answers aren't as important as the [TS]

00:29:51 ◼   ► journey that the story takes the process [TS]

00:29:54 ◼   ► of discovery yeah and so in and i'm [TS]

00:29:56 ◼   ► actually going to quote this from in [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► issue 57 y the last man there's a scene [TS]

00:30:00 ◼   ► after York and death finally get [TS]

00:30:02 ◼   ► together for a brief moment before it [TS]

00:30:05 ◼   ► all falls apart that is so romantically [TS]

00:30:07 ◼   ► phrase compared to what actually happens [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► perfect yeah yeah they're basically see [TS]

00:30:10 ◼   ► each other they have sex and then the [TS]

00:30:11 ◼   ► break up yeah and and admit that that [TS]

00:30:14 ◼   ► there were other people in between so [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► but there's this great moment when [TS]

00:30:18 ◼   ► because the the in the central mystery [TS]

00:30:21 ◼   ► to this series is why did this happen [TS]

00:30:23 ◼   ► right and it's it's so not about that i [TS]

00:30:26 ◼   ► mean it's the driver but it's not what [TS]

00:30:28 ◼   ► the series is about the series is about [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► this world and what would happen and the [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► journey that they take and I think this [TS]

00:30:35 ◼   ► is is really great that he addresses it [TS]

00:30:36 ◼   ► directly in issue 57 worry York says [TS]

00:30:39 ◼   ► turns out the crap that saved me is [TS]

00:30:43 ◼   ► connected to what cost to gendercide [TS]

00:30:44 ◼   ► monkeys and clones and some kind of more [TS]

00:30:47 ◼   ► thing as far as answers go it was [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► vaguely unsatisfying and Beth says after [TS]

00:30:52 ◼   ► everything we've been through [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► is there any explanation that would have [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► been satisfactory [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► and for a guy who also was on the [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► writing staff of lost i think that's [TS]

00:31:00 ◼   ► really interesting is it's the same [TS]

00:31:02 ◼   ► philosophy and saying look I know you [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► want to answer questions but you know [TS]

00:31:07 ◼   ► that's not the point and and bryan cave [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► on is on the record as saying the answer [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► to what caused the gendercide in why is [TS]

00:31:14 ◼   ► in it somewhere but i want readers to [TS]

00:31:17 ◼   ► find out which one may they find most [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► acceptable right there lots of theories [TS]

00:31:20 ◼   ► in the books one of them is right he's [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► not going to say which one in which you [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► know what i think is genius [TS]

00:31:24 ◼   ► I kind of don't care right I think I [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► kind of love that we don't know we have [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► a lot of ideas because you know life is [TS]

00:31:29 ◼   ► kinda like that it is messy and [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► sometimes you just don't know what [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► really the answer if you had a definite [TS]

00:31:34 ◼   ► answer by saying oh well you know [TS]

00:31:36 ◼   ► clearly it was caused by the elder dr. [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► man or clearly was caused by XYZ you [TS]

00:31:41 ◼   ► have a billion internet fans jumping on [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► board and I can't be [TS]

00:31:44 ◼   ► that's wrong and here's the science and [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► here's the breakdown here's why and [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► instead you have all these fans who are [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► debating with the possible causes and it [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► still allows them to retain their [TS]

00:31:54 ◼   ► delight in the story as opposed to [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► saying well this could have been a great [TS]

00:31:57 ◼   ► series accept the premise for why people [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► died off is totally flawed and once you [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► move past that I guess it's ok you can [TS]

00:32:02 ◼   ► believe what you want to believe because [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► I sort of like that the the why it [TS]

00:32:07 ◼   ► happened kind of became a non-issue [TS]

00:32:10 ◼   ► because obviously when a crisis happens [TS]

00:32:12 ◼   ► why is an interesting academic kind of [TS]

00:32:15 ◼   ► discussion to have the affiliate doesn't [TS]

00:32:17 ◼   ► matter i suppose that the the question [TS]

00:32:20 ◼   ► embedded in the title of the story right [TS]

00:32:22 ◼   ► y the last man right yeah and the answer [TS]

00:32:25 ◼   ► is why not [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► yeah exactly what did you think of the [TS]

00:32:28 ◼   ► ending I before we move on I want to I [TS]

00:32:31 ◼   ► want to go back to that because my [TS]

00:32:33 ◼   ► impression is that it was kind of [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► controversial the last issue is set 60 [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► years in the future [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► although there are some flashbacks to [TS]

00:32:39 ◼   ► the intervening time and I'm you know [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► people endings are hard and and people [TS]

00:32:45 ◼   ► don't we do we talked about that before [TS]

00:32:46 ◼   ► and people often find them unsatisfying [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► although honestly you know usually I [TS]

00:32:52 ◼   ► rarely remember the ending of books i [TS]

00:32:53 ◼   ► remember all the great things that i [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► liked about the books and I don't get [TS]

00:32:56 ◼   ► all angry about the ending but I think [TS]

00:32:58 ◼   ► with cereal stuff like TV shows and [TS]

00:32:59 ◼   ► comics you invest all that time and then [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► you're like oh I wanted to be a good [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► ending [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► it's not like the ending is what at [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► least from my perspective makes [TS]

00:33:08 ◼   ► the story like all the great stories [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► it's because they have a great ending [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► alright it ties together when you think [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► about yeah why you like something the [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► end of such a key part if not the reason [TS]

00:33:19 ◼   ► and for this it really felt like the [TS]

00:33:23 ◼   ► ideas petered out and maybe it was sort [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► of like as time marches on these [TS]

00:33:27 ◼   ► questions became less important in [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► society we did itself and i was moving [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► into a new golden age blah blah whatever [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► it to me kind of sell it felt like it [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► was petering out and it especially when [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► they spoil alert you know killed agent [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► three months ago and it seems so [TS]

00:33:44 ◼   ► arbitrary and almost randomly right why [TS]

00:33:48 ◼   ► so there's two things happening here [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► there's the penultimate storyline and [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► then there's the final issue so the [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► penalty Australian i agree with you know [TS]

00:33:55 ◼   ► they wrapped it up way too fast and it [TS]

00:33:56 ◼   ► was just this like do [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► yeah we talked about this with planetary [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► and actually very similar where I really [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► liked loved the last issue as in kota [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► yeah but when they had to wrap up all [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► the plotlines before that seems awfully [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► sudden yeah and Israeli terror these [TS]

00:34:10 ◼   ► really militia squad is here and she's [TS]

00:34:13 ◼   ► got this year's and we killed characters [TS]

00:34:15 ◼   ► off and you know it was like we had to [TS]

00:34:18 ◼   ► end it seemed awfully abrupt ya too [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► because we wanted to use it is this is [TS]

00:34:22 ◼   ► why I liked Runaways is because the [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► ending on that actually seems like a [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► really natural stopping point and the [TS]

00:34:28 ◼   ► pace makes sense whereas my the last man [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► in annex market which we'll get to later [TS]

00:34:32 ◼   ► and y the last man it feels like he gets [TS]

00:34:36 ◼   ► to see what 60 issues for y the last man [TS]

00:34:38 ◼   ► he gets like issue 53 and was like crap [TS]

00:34:41 ◼   ► I've gotta wrap this up right and right [TS]

00:34:44 ◼   ► so you live here at last that last that [TS]

00:34:46 ◼   ► last whys and wherefores story arc which [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► is the I need to I need to wrap this up [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► and four issues and and it is you know [TS]

00:34:55 ◼   ► it is not it's certainly exciting but [TS]

00:34:59 ◼   ► and it and it has some impact [TS]

00:35:01 ◼   ► emotionally to have that the death of of [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► agent 355 and and also the emotional [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► impact that she finally finishes her [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► scarf and gives it to your a after [TS]

00:35:10 ◼   ► needing it for the entire that's the [TS]

00:35:11 ◼   ► thing [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► my wife is a knitter she loves that [TS]

00:35:13 ◼   ► there's this kick-ass secret agent [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► Ritter that was all fine but when you [TS]

00:35:19 ◼   ► step back and you like wait a second [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► what just [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► happened it kinda doesn't work [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► no well there's some you if you look at [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► the art for me okay Benson Sandman now [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► the art is kind of all over the map and [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► very very striking in that it's such a [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► relic of when it was produced but one of [TS]

00:35:36 ◼   ► the things I've always really loved [TS]

00:35:37 ◼   ► about that series is that it's very [TS]

00:35:40 ◼   ► obviously deliberately plotted out to [TS]

00:35:43 ◼   ► where the ending makes sense and they do [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► have like a 45 issued a new mom we're [TS]

00:35:48 ◼   ► all the loose ends get wrapped up and [TS]

00:35:50 ◼   ► you as a reader are left with a sense [TS]

00:35:52 ◼   ► that my time paying attention this has [TS]

00:35:54 ◼   ► been well spent [TS]

00:35:55 ◼   ► whereas with bryan cave on it's just [TS]

00:35:59 ◼   ► weird because he does spend a lot of [TS]

00:36:00 ◼   ► time carefully building this world and [TS]

00:36:02 ◼   ► laying down these themes or or laying [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► down the storytelling elements and then [TS]

00:36:06 ◼   ► it's just so fast the end I don't know [TS]

00:36:08 ◼   ► it's a pacing problem or if it's a [TS]

00:36:11 ◼   ► member i don't like it's like you got [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► canceled and there was not only for [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► issues he chose his ending day baby [TS]

00:36:16 ◼   ► that's why we like his the runaways [TS]

00:36:18 ◼   ► better as in that the corporate comic [TS]

00:36:21 ◼   ► thing there is no ending yeah right so [TS]

00:36:23 ◼   ► things just go on a serial nature [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► because again endings are not all [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► writers are good at end is neil gaiman [TS]

00:36:28 ◼   ► happens to be good attending yeah [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► garthe's good endings but the funny [TS]

00:36:32 ◼   ► thing is the V the ending in issue 60 of [TS]

00:36:38 ◼   ► y which is about the big picture is not [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► about the overarching plot it's a it's [TS]

00:36:45 ◼   ► about where the characters end up and [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► what happens to the society to your [TS]

00:36:49 ◼   ► point about Brian Vaughn being good at [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► the big concept it's the conclusion of [TS]

00:36:52 ◼   ► the big concept i thought that was [TS]

00:36:55 ◼   ► beautiful and I actually really liked [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► how x mark and i ended [TS]

00:36:59 ◼   ► similarly because on the biggest does a [TS]

00:37:01 ◼   ► great job collateral [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► oh my god very strong it's just that his [TS]

00:37:05 ◼   ► plot resolution which was in the [TS]

00:37:07 ◼   ► previous stuff and you're like that was [TS]

00:37:09 ◼   ► not as good but but I i left i love both [TS]

00:37:11 ◼   ► of those feeling good about having read [TS]

00:37:13 ◼   ► them mostly because the last issue did [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► work for me even if the the plot [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► resolution was messy [TS]

00:37:21 ◼   ► I don't know for what it's worth no best [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► last panels i would say because I [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► remember after i finished issue 16 y the [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► last man I just SAT and stared the last [TS]

00:37:28 ◼   ► page for a while those last three or [TS]

00:37:30 ◼   ► four pages with no dialogue or are [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► beautiful and then with x mark and i did [TS]

00:37:33 ◼   ► the same thing when I just looked at the [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► this page for a while and was just like [TS]

00:37:36 ◼   ► oh my god what just happened so that [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► will move on now to ex machina which is [TS]

00:37:42 ◼   ► a 50 issue series that was also [TS]

00:37:44 ◼   ► relatively recently concluded about [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► Mitchell hundred is that it is who is [TS]

00:37:48 ◼   ► the mayor of New York for one term for [TS]

00:37:50 ◼   ► one term and and this universe is only [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► superhero [TS]

00:37:55 ◼   ► yeah yes and said what's interesting is [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► when we meet him we see that he's the [TS]

00:37:58 ◼   ► mayor of New York and that he lives it [TS]

00:38:00 ◼   ► and it's revealed I believe that that [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► he's in new york post 9-11 where there's [TS]

00:38:06 ◼   ► one tower of the world trade such as it [TS]

00:38:08 ◼   ► conceals her here a career he stopped [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► the second tower right but we don't know [TS]

00:38:12 ◼   ► details they all come out in flashback [TS]

00:38:15 ◼   ► we discover that he was a sort of [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► superhero with a jetpack and then we [TS]

00:38:21 ◼   ► discovered that great machine the great [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► machine which is great and it's a cool [TS]

00:38:24 ◼   ► outfit and we discovered that the [TS]

00:38:26 ◼   ► jetpack is not why he was a superhero he [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► a strange series of events lead him to [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► have the ability to talk to machines but [TS]

00:38:34 ◼   ► he's also the mayor of New York in the [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► present so it's got this West Wing kind [TS]

00:38:36 ◼   ► of politics angle plus flashbacks to his [TS]

00:38:39 ◼   ► superhero past and then he warn't it's [TS]

00:38:41 ◼   ► not going to end well [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► yeah towards you pretty early on and [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► socially first issue with the first arc [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► he's like this is gonna be a tragedy and [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► this is in and you see anything shots of [TS]

00:38:52 ◼   ► mitchell in the future [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► yeah in his like wife beater shirt [TS]

00:38:57 ◼   ► looking kind of unhappy and broken [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► yeah yeah so it's um again great concept [TS]

00:39:04 ◼   ► right great concept and of the flashback [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► idea it's a concept we haven't really [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► thought of before [TS]

00:39:09 ◼   ► essentially what it what if the mayor of [TS]

00:39:11 ◼   ► New York was a superhero who's who got [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► elected because he's stayed one of the [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► more integrated builders right yeah [TS]

00:39:18 ◼   ► parasites electoral politics is the way [TS]

00:39:20 ◼   ► i want to go i actually thought was a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► really elegant send up a lot of the post [TS]

00:39:23 ◼   ► 9-11 fantasies some people may have had [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► we're all of only this had happened [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► fully that had happened and basically [TS]

00:39:30 ◼   ► what he's saying is look even if you [TS]

00:39:32 ◼   ► have a Superman to save a tower or 22 to [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► alter the scope of the tragedy that [TS]

00:39:37 ◼   ► doesn't eliminate the day-to-day [TS]

00:39:39 ◼   ► problems that are much more that have a [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► much more significant impact on people's [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► daily lives you know and as and I think [TS]

00:39:47 ◼   ► as a new yorker this was kind of him [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► rebutting a lot of the national dialogue [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► and rhetoric about 911 and what it means [TS]

00:39:53 ◼   ► and so on and so forth and say no no [TS]

00:39:54 ◼   ► look you know let's let's not forget [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► that you're kind of a lot going on even [TS]

00:39:58 ◼   ► before this so so the one of things I [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► didn't like about it is a concept really [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► awesome everybody said it's like the [TS]

00:40:05 ◼   ► west wing of comics and then stuff the [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► every time they went into the kind of [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► policy sort of stories or focus more on [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► policies it didn't ring true to me i [TS]

00:40:15 ◼   ► like the marijuana plum like marijuana [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► as an example and also the the art which [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► is beautiful it's a very photo reference [TS]

00:40:24 ◼   ► Tony Harris believe ya [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► overall really beautiful stranger defect [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► great faces but I kisses what was the [TS]

00:40:32 ◼   ► places the basis i want to stop you [TS]

00:40:34 ◼   ► right there and say one of the things [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► unlike so many comics ex machina on any [TS]

00:40:39 ◼   ► panel you I know what Mitchell hundreds [TS]

00:40:42 ◼   ► face looks like it because his face is [TS]

00:40:44 ◼   ► his face and in every panel [TS]

00:40:46 ◼   ► he's a person with a face and you can [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► you know so many comics you from panel [TS]

00:40:51 ◼   ► to panel ready to issue each other [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► the direction is is is varied and with [TS]

00:40:55 ◼   ► them that's a guy wasn't happy with the [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► face is like a great land hate side of [TS]

00:40:59 ◼   ► years ago where somebody was just [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► ranting and raving about how much they [TS]

00:41:02 ◼   ► dislike Greg land and they were going [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► off about a thing ultimate Fantastic [TS]

00:41:04 ◼   ► Four and house to store basically [TS]

00:41:06 ◼   ► changes from panel to panel and that was [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► never ever problem with no anyway her [TS]

00:41:12 ◼   ► beautiful just as you said faces and [TS]

00:41:14 ◼   ► security where the art fell down so [TS]

00:41:16 ◼   ► that's what was really strong written [TS]

00:41:17 ◼   ► down for me was getting this kind of [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► policy things that so he's the mayor of [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► New York City [TS]

00:41:22 ◼   ► yeah which has got like the fifth [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► largest economy in the country of if you [TS]

00:41:27 ◼   ► include all the states and everything [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► out the it all she saw was him his [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► deputy mayor his secretary and an intern [TS]

00:41:33 ◼   ► whenever he was like those with for some [TS]

00:41:36 ◼   ► problems with the Commissioner of Police [TS]

00:41:39 ◼   ► and that was it like its own all the [TS]

00:41:41 ◼   ► scenes that were the policy things are [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► when they're in the west wing as well [TS]

00:41:44 ◼   ► that realistic to the west wing you [TS]

00:41:47 ◼   ► always see people walking there like [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► staffers around doing things there's the [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► motion why are the whole so empty right [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► every hall was empty every room was [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► empty i was like no anytime that Mary's [TS]

00:41:56 ◼   ► out there would be at least 15 people [TS]

00:41:58 ◼   ► write in fact is they're saying [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► like there's a scene where there's a I [TS]

00:42:02 ◼   ► think it's a blackout that the [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► somebody's caught in an elevator the [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► deputy mayor's cotton elevator and there [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► is actually seen which is like oh geez [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► there's nobody here to run the city [TS]

00:42:12 ◼   ► really right it's a big city it's [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► something that's more than a small [TS]

00:42:18 ◼   ► government is great baby concerning his [TS]

00:42:21 ◼   ► face is right about it would take too [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► long to have drawn all of the season the [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► book still wouldn't have been released [TS]

00:42:26 ◼   ► but it fell down for me there because it [TS]

00:42:29 ◼   ► was trying to be kind of real yeah I so [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► didn't ring true something we talked [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► about with with the way that the mystery [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► plays out in in [TS]

00:42:40 ◼   ► y the last man I want to come back to [TS]

00:42:42 ◼   ► here which is bryan cave on has a really [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► good skill of of holding back [TS]

00:42:48 ◼   ► information and very slowly letting you [TS]

00:42:50 ◼   ► in on what's going on that I appreciate [TS]

00:42:52 ◼   ► because I think there's a tendency for a [TS]

00:42:56 ◼   ► writer to say okay here's what the [TS]

00:42:57 ◼   ► backstory is and I've got it all planned [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► out and i'm going to play it all out in [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► the first 12 issues you know or the [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► first season of the of the TV show and [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► then they're out that they've done they [TS]

00:43:07 ◼   ► played it out they have nothing more to [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► hold back and he their stuff i mean it's [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► a the exponents 50 issue series their [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► stuff that he's dropping an issue 38 [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► issue 40 key pieces of information that [TS]

00:43:19 ◼   ► have obviously been known since issue [TS]

00:43:21 ◼   ► one but he just refuses to show you i [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► mean how long is it before you see him [TS]

00:43:25 ◼   ► at the World Trade Center on 911 and [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► then and towing the airplane to land it [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► somewhere haha that's like 30 issues in [TS]

00:43:35 ◼   ► yeah I mean it's so i was really [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► impressed and of course the backstory of [TS]

00:43:38 ◼   ► what how he got his powers and what the [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► element really late development ultimate [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► enemy is going to be yeah but there [TS]

00:43:44 ◼   ► there's some stuff which is dreams about [TS]

00:43:46 ◼   ► brains and pran es the multi-dimensional [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► kind of brains and and that his powers [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► came from somewhere and they're out [TS]

00:43:54 ◼   ► there and they're really bad and you're [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► supposed to stop them early on and but [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► it doesn't really get resolved until [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► lead there in the forties of the issues [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► which i love that it felt set up with [TS]

00:44:04 ◼   ► how much of it he made up on the on the [TS]

00:44:06 ◼   ► spot i don't know but in the notice [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► those dreams consists in the finale is [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► that the one character with the beatles [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► song didn't exist [TS]

00:44:13 ◼   ► oh right way which is totally tied into [TS]

00:44:15 ◼   ► the whole parallel universe that is this [TS]

00:44:17 ◼   ► idea which I always thought I always [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► think of that too that's what he hit one [TS]

00:44:21 ◼   ► of my favorite concepts about parallel [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► universes and I love to see it in there [TS]

00:44:24 ◼   ► which is you know it Stephen King wrote [TS]

00:44:26 ◼   ► a story like this to which is and that [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► if we have the pot parallel universes [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► there are works by people who died young [TS]

00:44:34 ◼   ► there they've got their albums from [TS]

00:44:36 ◼   ► later it's the beatles albums from the [TS]

00:44:38 ◼   ► seventies or john lennon albums from the [TS]

00:44:40 ◼   ► from the the eighties and nineties or [TS]

00:44:42 ◼   ► you know that the fifth Nirvana album or [TS]

00:44:44 ◼   ► all these things that don't actually [TS]

00:44:45 ◼   ► exist or books that were not written or [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► were written differently and and that [TS]

00:44:51 ◼   ► all plays out when there's the this [TS]

00:44:53 ◼   ► beetle song that doesn't exist that is [TS]

00:44:55 ◼   ► playing on a radio isn't playing on the [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► radio that here's an authorized an ipod [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► or something yeah yeah that's your first [TS]

00:45:02 ◼   ► hint that this is not a parallel [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► universe or that they're parallel [TS]

00:45:06 ◼   ► universes at play here that this is not [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► you know it's not just the one universe [TS]

00:45:10 ◼   ► which is what the story [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► alternately is this is sort of about ya [TS]

00:45:14 ◼   ► know it's also the parallel universes [TS]

00:45:16 ◼   ► thing I think is another one of his [TS]

00:45:18 ◼   ► medical standards because the whole [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► series about ultimately the decisions [TS]

00:45:21 ◼   ► that Mitchell hundred makes and where he [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► lands because those decisions and it's [TS]

00:45:25 ◼   ► not kind of the premise behind every [TS]

00:45:26 ◼   ► parallel universes story as well choices [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► in every universe shape the outcome of [TS]

00:45:30 ◼   ► that universe and if you take a look at [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► the last at the last issue which i found [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► it a very surprising issued a lot of [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► ways but also very logical it's the [TS]

00:45:40 ◼   ► culmination of all his choices [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► everything you find all those decision [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► points and where he decided to turn in [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► each one of them and you see the [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► branches kinda getting locked off each [TS]

00:45:49 ◼   ► time it is the series does take a an [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► interesting turn when he goes to the [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► Vatican and comes back saying i'm going [TS]

00:46:00 ◼   ► to be the president of the united states [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► it's like wow okay which I I I thought [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► that was sort of strange but it it made [TS]

00:46:07 ◼   ► him it made his decisions a little more [TS]

00:46:10 ◼   ► understandable in that way that he and [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► the pope basically says you have a demon [TS]

00:46:15 ◼   ► inside you and I'm gonna going to [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► perform an exorcism which is very [TS]

00:46:18 ◼   ► strange but in the end it also sort of [TS]

00:46:20 ◼   ► is consistent with what the story is [TS]

00:46:22 ◼   ► that the fact that he goes from being [TS]

00:46:25 ◼   ► kind of this accidental [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► air to being a very ambitious guy in the [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► span of a couple of issues you know [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► that's why it sort of worked but it was [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► a big a big turn to leave him down this [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► path that he was like I suppose [TS]

00:46:39 ◼   ► inevitably going down but it made it [TS]

00:46:41 ◼   ► feel a little more realistic than it [TS]

00:46:43 ◼   ► would have otherwise you do watch him [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► kind of losing his soul for his idealism [TS]

00:46:46 ◼   ► is that work with the course of the 50 [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► issues yeah right and that's when he was [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► just a super hero who saved the world [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► trade center and he was running for [TS]

00:46:53 ◼   ► mayor because he wanted to do something [TS]

00:46:55 ◼   ► that wasn't be a superhero and more but [TS]

00:46:58 ◼   ► that's not what got him elected we got [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► him elected was being a superhero [TS]

00:47:00 ◼   ► yeah but he was like a third-string kind [TS]

00:47:02 ◼   ► of bureaucrat not very present he was an [TS]

00:47:06 ◼   ► engineer after he was an engineer at the [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► brooklyn bridge so he was just a civil [TS]

00:47:10 ◼   ► engineer just a guy [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► yeah much like York right and that's the [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► thing is like the parallels and a lot of [TS]

00:47:15 ◼   ► careful more successful than your in [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► sort of the order if you're getting [TS]

00:47:20 ◼   ► brighter than York you know like she's [TS]

00:47:24 ◼   ► going to get to know that policy stuff [TS]

00:47:25 ◼   ► he was kind of dumb what I want to do [TS]

00:47:27 ◼   ► for an interesting that all of Brian [TS]

00:47:29 ◼   ► capons books and this was actually [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► pretty striking between y and X machina [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► is the female characters almost always [TS]

00:47:34 ◼   ► have a really troubled relationship with [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► their parents especially their mother [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► again this is why he went and rode for [TS]

00:47:39 ◼   ► lost [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► yes just so much in common and they also [TS]

00:47:42 ◼   ► have really troubling relationships with [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► women in their life who they are not [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► sexually involved with because you're [TS]

00:47:48 ◼   ► always had a really hard time with hero [TS]

00:47:50 ◼   ► right um well actually regardless of the [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► many baths and y the last man you gots [TS]

00:47:58 ◼   ► York a lot of women with whom he had [TS]

00:48:00 ◼   ► relationships that were never ever going [TS]

00:48:01 ◼   ► to be romantic and he he did have [TS]

00:48:05 ◼   ► difficulty relating to these women are [TS]

00:48:07 ◼   ► trying to understand what made them tick [TS]

00:48:09 ◼   ► and vice versa and i found that to also [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► be the case in X market now where you've [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► got Mitchell has a really hard [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► relationship with his mother right and [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► then there's you know that his [TS]

00:48:18 ◼   ► relationship with the sisters journal in [TS]

00:48:20 ◼   ► january and his chief of staff [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► it was his chief of staff a woman she's [TS]

00:48:24 ◼   ► the one who's got a family and his [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► relationship with her you know it's it's [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► it's by the smoothest thing he has an [TS]

00:48:29 ◼   ► energy for police [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► yeah yeah but you know he does I i find [TS]

00:48:34 ◼   ► it striking this is a theme that comes [TS]

00:48:35 ◼   ► up in both of his adult as opposed to [TS]

00:48:37 ◼   ► team works is that you've got these [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► protagonists [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► we're basically average men who have who [TS]

00:48:42 ◼   ► have not dysfunctional but troubled [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► family relationships and influenced an [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► extraordinary service place the [TS]

00:48:48 ◼   ► extraordinary circumstances and they [TS]

00:48:50 ◼   ► have difficulty relating actually we [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► never seen someone the last man but [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► Mitchell hundred also has difficulty [TS]

00:48:56 ◼   ► relating to other men to he's a very [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► lonely guy he's a very lonely guy you [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► know and at by the last episode you see [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► that he just doesn't have any friends [TS]

00:49:05 ◼   ► I mean he just can't he lacks whatever [TS]

00:49:08 ◼   ► interpersonal emotional skills are in [TS]

00:49:11 ◼   ► the toolbox that let people reach out [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► and connect once that shows in a really [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► graphic way twice in the last exchange [TS]

00:49:17 ◼   ► faithful friend is Bradbury his his [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► former army buddy who is a bodyguard for [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► him and he takes the fall for him saving [TS]

00:49:29 ◼   ► the world which I i like that thing that [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► it's like the spider-man [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► oh you're a menace kind of cracked up to [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► a hundred which is he saves the world [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► and the Chief of Police says I'm gonna [TS]

00:49:40 ◼   ► arrest you and and his buddy takes the [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► fall [TS]

00:49:43 ◼   ► yeah and goes to prison for two years or [TS]

00:49:47 ◼   ► something like that three years and [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► that's that was his last friend and by [TS]

00:49:50 ◼   ► the time that by the time he comes back [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► in the last issue that relationship is [TS]

00:49:54 ◼   ► completely destroyed two that's it sort [TS]

00:49:57 ◼   ► of that metaphorical his best friends [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► are machines [TS]

00:49:59 ◼   ► yeah right he talks a machine that's he [TS]

00:50:01 ◼   ► can communicate with ya [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► and yet the most the thing that that [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► that stuck with me is reporting as the [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► showdown outside his mom's trailer and [TS]

00:50:08 ◼   ► the gun lies to him and then the last [TS]

00:50:12 ◼   ► issue the gun does something that is [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► perfect there's him a gun and it doesn't [TS]

00:50:15 ◼   ► it somewhat surprising and it's also [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► reminder that even though his best [TS]

00:50:19 ◼   ► friends are machines the machines can be [TS]

00:50:20 ◼   ► fickle when when you give them a mind of [TS]

00:50:22 ◼   ► their own or machines reflect their [TS]

00:50:24 ◼   ► owners which means that they're not [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► always predictable so I do think I [TS]

00:50:28 ◼   ► hadn't actually thought about that but [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► yeah he's an engineer at his best [TS]

00:50:31 ◼   ► friends are machines and it's just a [TS]

00:50:34 ◼   ► profoundly lonely guy [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► yeah yeah chat i think a fascinating [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► character [TS]

00:50:39 ◼   ► mhm yeah when you talk about bryan cave [TS]

00:50:41 ◼   ► on and and the concepts maybe being more [TS]

00:50:43 ◼   ► than the characters hundred to me is a [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► really interesting character with a lot [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► of contradictions and a lot of a very [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► modern character strange questions about [TS]

00:50:52 ◼   ► him I mean those [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► some i was reading somebody was saying [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► how you know there's a lot of questions [TS]

00:50:57 ◼   ► about his sexuality because he basically [TS]

00:50:59 ◼   ► have no relationships and and there [TS]

00:51:01 ◼   ► isn't i thought that maybe he's gay but [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► we never seen with anybody I i actually [TS]

00:51:05 ◼   ► don't believe that's the case because it [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► turns out in the end that his friend has [TS]

00:51:09 ◼   ► these feelings for him and that he [TS]

00:51:10 ◼   ► rejects them but but there's also a [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► flashback where he's talking to the [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► reporter who ends up being possessed by [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► the same thing that gave me his powers [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► and she turns she tries to destroy the [TS]

00:51:21 ◼   ► world is thrown into a parallel universe [TS]

00:51:22 ◼   ► and that's how the story ends but [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► there's a flashback there where they [TS]

00:51:27 ◼   ► have a kind charged conversation where [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► he says maybe when I'm not the mayor [TS]

00:51:30 ◼   ► anymore we can talk and we can take this [TS]

00:51:33 ◼   ► further but the fact that there are all [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► these questions about hundred and who is [TS]

00:51:38 ◼   ► he and does he love anybody in [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► developmental of women to be loved just [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► the machines what's going on you know I [TS]

00:51:44 ◼   ► find that fascinating because he is an [TS]

00:51:46 ◼   ► interesting character he's not a blank [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► with this blankness around him he's a [TS]

00:51:49 ◼   ► guy with some empty spots of his life is [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► fascinating i also wonder if the [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► speculation about mitchells sexuality is [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► meant to reflect the speculation that [TS]

00:52:01 ◼   ► has actually surrounded other mayors of [TS]

00:52:03 ◼   ► New York too [TS]

00:52:04 ◼   ► I mean at koch never married while in [TS]

00:52:06 ◼   ► office and still hasn't and there are [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► people who are the my grandmother's ago [TS]

00:52:12 ◼   ► he just never found the right woman and [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► there are other people who are like ski [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► because the right woman would have to [TS]

00:52:18 ◼   ► have a block and tackle this so hard to [TS]

00:52:23 ◼   ► find those they haven't y the last man [TS]

00:52:25 ◼   ► well they would have died particularly [TS]

00:52:26 ◼   ► yeah i mean the crying game we've had a [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► whole different ending if it had the [TS]

00:52:29 ◼   ► fact that it's not married either [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► no but she divorced yeah i was your head [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► is being this is like the adventures of [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► Mike Bloomberg superhero [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► yeah one level even though Bloomberg is [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► mentioned in the in the comic as well as [TS]

00:52:42 ◼   ► running and hundred comes in is this [TS]

00:52:44 ◼   ► independent candidate and assessment but [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► i always thought about that it's like [TS]

00:52:48 ◼   ► basically what if Bloomberg was a was a [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► super hero instead of a you know media [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► manual [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► yeah naturally so much of a hero people [TS]

00:52:56 ◼   ► work for us as the as as we record this [TS]

00:53:01 ◼   ► a hurricane is is bearing down on the [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► city of New York and as we walked into [TS]

00:53:05 ◼   ► the studio I think we [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► we said what would a hundred do evacuate [TS]

00:53:09 ◼   ► ya know he fled get his jetpack on he'd [TS]

00:53:12 ◼   ► fly into that hurricane her do something [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► yeah or not know but what can you do [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► against are you do it's a force against [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► drunk guy [TS]

00:53:20 ◼   ► what can you do against an alien race [TS]

00:53:21 ◼   ► that's gonna come over from another [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► parallel universe and eat all of [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► humanity [TS]

00:53:24 ◼   ► yeah again again yeah I can you do I [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► don't like the alien X Mark and I can [TS]

00:53:30 ◼   ► see I just well they're not really [TS]

00:53:32 ◼   ► aliens though they're just like the [TS]

00:53:34 ◼   ► worst the worst people from the worst [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► parallel universe or something like that [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► happens in well there's 19 / parallel to [TS]

00:53:42 ◼   ► find satisfied I i ended sad for [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► Mitchell and I think in a way that was [TS]

00:53:47 ◼   ► kind of satisfying because he's the vice [TS]

00:53:49 ◼   ► president of the United States huh yeah [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► better him than palin you know I mean [TS]

00:53:54 ◼   ► that that's what made the difference [TS]

00:53:56 ◼   ► right that here at least john mccain is [TS]

00:53:58 ◼   ► the president Mitchell hundreds device [TS]

00:53:59 ◼   ► press identity and so bullet dodged [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► but this is where we get angry tweets [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► and emails from people who are you [TS]

00:54:07 ◼   ► well I wanted to listen to politics [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► that's right well well I a comic about [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► it's a comment about the attics and so [TS]

00:54:13 ◼   ► so he's positive here that this is this [TS]

00:54:15 ◼   ► is one of the things that changes is the [TS]

00:54:17 ◼   ► John McCain is elected president [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► Mitchell hundreds of the vice president [TS]

00:54:20 ◼   ► and I think it's still lingering out [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► there this idea that he's gonna be it's [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► not that he might be the president is [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► that the Pope you know leaves him with [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► this feeling that he will be the [TS]

00:54:29 ◼   ► president of the united states i do [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► everything still not great help nasal ya [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► know I actually do wonder if it's a [TS]

00:54:34 ◼   ► commentary on the the way we pick our [TS]

00:54:36 ◼   ► our national level leaders is we have to [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► have to have an easy backstory that we [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► can relate to or that we can aspire to I [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► mean our president is somebody where if [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► you are pro Obama you're like look this [TS]

00:54:46 ◼   ► is the son of a single mother who used a [TS]

00:54:49 ◼   ► meritocracy and here he is now and if [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► you are not a probe on the person you're [TS]

00:54:52 ◼   ► like oh people like him from his hope [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► you changing stuff and and well and it [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► makes them feel good to elect and their [TS]

00:54:57 ◼   ► cynicism here to write because because [TS]

00:55:00 ◼   ► it's it's a hundred who is an [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► interesting figure it but you [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► we know all about him right so we know [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► that Mitchell hundred he has no friends [TS]

00:55:09 ◼   ► he will decide when we know but his [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► media package is going to be this is the [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► man who saved the world see that the [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► world the world trade center at the [TS]

00:55:17 ◼   ► world happened on trades on what's [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► better than save [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► not that we know of him as a pot-smoking [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► that's most friendliest friendly alien [TS]

00:55:24 ◼   ► invested weirdo and we're super powers [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► who who broke the law repeatedly as a [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► vigilante and doing something that was [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► not particularly responsible and [TS]

00:55:35 ◼   ► actually quite reckless because he [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► almost dies a lot of times who [TS]

00:55:39 ◼   ► potentially killed one of his best [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► friends but you know he's gonna get [TS]

00:55:44 ◼   ► recasting the national narrative that's [TS]

00:55:46 ◼   ► exactly the surviving son of a single [TS]

00:55:48 ◼   ► mother who you know through hard work [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► and diligence became the became a hero [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► and then and then decided to put [TS]

00:55:55 ◼   ► underneath your left on his own accord [TS]

00:55:57 ◼   ► is his office so it's just tremendous [TS]

00:55:59 ◼   ► leaping ability yeah i mean the same way [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► if you if you are for sarah palin what [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► you say is here is somebody who proves [TS]

00:56:05 ◼   ► that you don't have to be part of an Ivy [TS]

00:56:07 ◼   ► League elite to you know to make a [TS]

00:56:10 ◼   ► difference and to govern and this is [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► somebody who's in touch with populist [TS]

00:56:13 ◼   ► rhetoric and if your auntie Sarah Palin [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► it's not really terrified it's not about [TS]

00:56:16 ◼   ► who want their individual politics is [TS]

00:56:18 ◼   ► it's about the creation of a story about [TS]

00:56:20 ◼   ► a kid but that's always missing in this [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► and we having this around politics and [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► we have miss around superheroes right so [TS]

00:56:26 ◼   ► here we got Brian came on sand look at [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► the myth-making is always the same you [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► know and there's their stuff underneath [TS]

00:56:32 ◼   ► the myth that is the real story here and [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► the question is who's gonna be able to [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► see the story and the end of the day [TS]

00:56:37 ◼   ► it's only us the opposition to reader [TS]

00:56:40 ◼   ► thanks to the omniscient narrator is he [TS]

00:56:42 ◼   ► a good guy worry about the initial yeah [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► you know just just as just as y the last [TS]

00:56:47 ◼   ► man is is like it all comes down to [TS]

00:56:49 ◼   ► human nature i mean that the whole point [TS]

00:56:51 ◼   ► to mitchell is that alien infestation of [TS]

00:56:54 ◼   ► Technology aside he's ultimately human i [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► mean some stuff he does is good and some [TS]