The Incomparable

00:00:00 ◼   ► the incomparable podcast number 51 [TS]

00:00:07 ◼   ► artists 2011 [TS]

00:00:11 ◼   ► we're back on the uncomfortable and it [TS]

00:00:13 ◼   ► is time for the book club or at least [TS]

00:00:15 ◼   ► the literacy club because we might even [TS]

00:00:16 ◼   ► talk about some things that aren't books [TS]

00:00:18 ◼   ► I'm Jason style i'm your host i'm joined [TS]

00:00:20 ◼   ► by the members of the literacy club Dan [TS]

00:00:23 ◼   ► Morris here hide am I is glad to be here [TS]

00:00:27 ◼   ► but I are glad I are glad to be here [TS]

00:00:30 ◼   ► Jason on and Fleischmann also joins us [TS]

00:00:33 ◼   ► hi Glenn [TS]

00:00:34 ◼   ► hi i can recognize at least 20 letters [TS]

00:00:36 ◼   ► that's good [TS]

00:00:37 ◼   ► well you gotta work there 10 more miles [TS]

00:00:39 ◼   ► or extra are you working on the vowels [TS]

00:00:41 ◼   ► i'm working on the right girl you like [TS]

00:00:44 ◼   ► to buy one [TS]

00:00:45 ◼   ► the sniper of Internet podcast comedies [TS]

00:00:48 ◼   ► I've arbys in the bushes [TS]

00:00:49 ◼   ► wait for it here he comes it's copic [TS]

00:00:51 ◼   ► multi-site Scott hello hello [TS]

00:00:55 ◼   ► I have nothing to say to that is that [TS]

00:00:56 ◼   ► the greatest introduction ever it is [TS]

00:00:58 ◼   ► that I families really funny [TS]

00:01:00 ◼   ► wait here it comes that's a jarhead [TS]

00:01:03 ◼   ► yes so I here so so in college in [TS]

00:01:07 ◼   ► college people would introduce i would [TS]

00:01:09 ◼   ► meet new people my friends would [TS]

00:01:10 ◼   ► introduce me to someone and they say [TS]

00:01:11 ◼   ► here Scott he's very funny and then they [TS]

00:01:14 ◼   ► would look at me and wait for me to say [TS]

00:01:17 ◼   ► something mr. rubber chicken man except [TS]

00:01:19 ◼   ► watermelon your hammer my friend tony [TS]

00:01:21 ◼   ► has a as a default response to that [TS]

00:01:23 ◼   ► which is just go glam makeup pics he's [TS]

00:01:28 ◼   ► so funny [TS]

00:01:29 ◼   ► yes so anyway we're not talking about [TS]

00:01:32 ◼   ► that or are we may be so this is right [TS]

00:01:34 ◼   ► so the number one item on the agenda in [TS]

00:01:37 ◼   ► this podcast is to talk about some [TS]

00:01:40 ◼   ► novels that were nominated for the hugo [TS]

00:01:42 ◼   ► award which is given out every year to [TS]

00:01:44 ◼   ► generally it's sci-fi although there are [TS]

00:01:47 ◼   ► some fantasy stuff that creeps in there [TS]

00:01:48 ◼   ► too and that they did this year there [TS]

00:01:50 ◼   ► are five nominees for the best novel [TS]

00:01:53 ◼   ► Hugo we have collectively read all of [TS]

00:01:57 ◼   ► them some of us have read some of them [TS]

00:01:59 ◼   ► some of us have not I i read all of them [TS]

00:02:01 ◼   ► i put in the water yeah yeah but aren't [TS]

00:02:04 ◼   ► you voting as well Jason I am voting now [TS]

00:02:07 ◼   ► they're gonna ask my ballot so we're [TS]

00:02:08 ◼   ► going to talk about these novels and [TS]

00:02:10 ◼   ► we're going to take them in turn and we [TS]

00:02:12 ◼   ► may throw in some short stories and [TS]

00:02:14 ◼   ► novels that came up as part of the hugo [TS]

00:02:16 ◼   ► processes well and so five best novel [TS]

00:02:18 ◼   ► nominees i guess i'll just take them in [TS]

00:02:21 ◼   ► order and we can talk about them those [TS]

00:02:23 ◼   ► who have read them may speak about the [TS]

00:02:24 ◼   ► middle [TS]

00:02:25 ◼   ► first one up those who have not read [TS]

00:02:27 ◼   ► them silence another shot outside and [TS]

00:02:29 ◼   ► actually I'd love to hear what you have [TS]

00:02:32 ◼   ► to say having not actually read that [TS]

00:02:33 ◼   ► book is great that would be a new kind [TS]

00:02:36 ◼   ► of podcast we could do this once we [TS]

00:02:37 ◼   ► haven't read my favorite opinions are [TS]

00:02:39 ◼   ► uninformed picture no book club blackout [TS]

00:02:43 ◼   ► and all clear two novels by connie [TS]

00:02:45 ◼   ► willis you know who is author author of [TS]

00:02:48 ◼   ► many good novels we talked about before [TS]

00:02:50 ◼   ► and she's won the hugo award before so [TS]

00:02:52 ◼   ► two novels it's really one story which [TS]

00:02:54 ◼   ► is why I was generated to get it i have [TS]

00:02:56 ◼   ► a funny story about that which is I read [TS]

00:02:57 ◼   ► the first book and I got to the like I [TS]

00:02:59 ◼   ► was getting close to the end oh it's a [TS]

00:03:01 ◼   ► long book is a big it's a big book and [TS]

00:03:03 ◼   ► i'm getting closer onli and they are [TS]

00:03:05 ◼   ► gonna have to work fast to wrap this up [TS]

00:03:07 ◼   ► i did not know until I got to the very [TS]

00:03:09 ◼   ► last page that there was a second part [TS]

00:03:11 ◼   ► coming look quite literally they just [TS]

00:03:13 ◼   ► took a novel and cut it yes basically [TS]

00:03:15 ◼   ► shit into books it's yeah it's that [TS]

00:03:17 ◼   ► feeling you get when you're 48 minutes [TS]

00:03:19 ◼   ► into an hour-long TV show and you [TS]

00:03:20 ◼   ► realize oh no this is not going to end [TS]

00:03:23 ◼   ► this is going to be to be continued yeah [TS]

00:03:25 ◼   ► they can't wrap this up [TS]

00:03:26 ◼   ► yeah so so its second world war two it's [TS]

00:03:29 ◼   ► about time travelers who go back to [TS]

00:03:31 ◼   ► study itself in the same universe is to [TS]

00:03:32 ◼   ► say nothing of the dog and domesday book [TS]

00:03:34 ◼   ► and the domesday book say nothing of the [TS]

00:03:37 ◼   ► dog very funny good book Tuesday book [TS]

00:03:39 ◼   ► other end of the spectrum that very [TS]

00:03:41 ◼   ► depressing also very good about the [TS]

00:03:43 ◼   ► black disc this was somewhere in the [TS]

00:03:45 ◼   ► middle for me really like it's not it's [TS]

00:03:47 ◼   ► got some very serious points right in [TS]

00:03:49 ◼   ► there there's some very serious [TS]

00:03:50 ◼   ► discussion of you know more time and you [TS]

00:03:54 ◼   ► know the prices people pay but it's not [TS]

00:03:57 ◼   ► it wasn't as Holy depressing as doomsday [TS]

00:04:00 ◼   ► book was no there's some there's some [TS]

00:04:02 ◼   ► amusing parts and then there's the whole [TS]

00:04:04 ◼   ► kind of carrion spirit that's going on [TS]

00:04:06 ◼   ► during the Blitz and it really is in [TS]

00:04:08 ◼   ► many ways so you know largely a [TS]

00:04:10 ◼   ► historical historical fiction has [TS]

00:04:12 ◼   ► outlets right i mean that's you've got [TS]

00:04:14 ◼   ► these these people from the future who [TS]

00:04:16 ◼   ► are stuck there but they're they're so [TS]

00:04:18 ◼   ► mired in real time that they just have [TS]

00:04:21 ◼   ► to live through the Blitz and so you've [TS]

00:04:23 ◼   ► got you know all these sort of slices of [TS]

00:04:25 ◼   ► life of people going around in London [TS]

00:04:27 ◼   ► and out in the countryside and and we're [TS]

00:04:30 ◼   ► working for the army during the Blitz [TS]

00:04:32 ◼   ► and as such it is interesting because it [TS]

00:04:34 ◼   ► does start you start to get this [TS]

00:04:35 ◼   ► impression of the interminable nature of [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► it [TS]

00:04:38 ◼   ► I you know there's so many the way that [TS]

00:04:41 ◼   ► the story is arranged narratively you [TS]

00:04:43 ◼   ► feel like you're undergoing something [TS]

00:04:45 ◼   ► you know if something traumatic and [TS]

00:04:46 ◼   ► catastrophic because it keeps dragging [TS]

00:04:49 ◼   ► on and we have this sort of plot line [TS]

00:04:50 ◼   ► for these characters who are stuck in [TS]

00:04:51 ◼   ► the past [TS]

00:04:52 ◼   ► keep thinking oh well we'll be rescued [TS]

00:04:55 ◼   ► soon and then it keeps going a lot but [TS]

00:05:00 ◼   ► one of the funny things happen is the [TS]

00:05:01 ◼   ► sort of these alternating timelines and [TS]

00:05:04 ◼   ► you end it [TS]

00:05:05 ◼   ► it's kind of hard to perceive of what [TS]

00:05:07 ◼   ► what's exactly going on that's like [TS]

00:05:09 ◼   ► they're telling sort of stories from [TS]

00:05:11 ◼   ► from earlier in the war and later in the [TS]

00:05:14 ◼   ► war and it turns out you know not to [TS]

00:05:17 ◼   ► give too much away [TS]

00:05:19 ◼   ► I you know we maybe we can avoid the [TS]

00:05:21 ◼   ► spoiler here but it turns out that some [TS]

00:05:24 ◼   ► of the characters you see are actually [TS]

00:05:27 ◼   ► it you see in the toward the end of the [TS]

00:05:30 ◼   ► war or actually characters you've seen [TS]

00:05:32 ◼   ► earlier in the war going under assumed [TS]

00:05:34 ◼   ► names so yeah that was kind of a that [TS]

00:05:37 ◼   ► did definitely confused me when it when [TS]

00:05:38 ◼   ► it finally got to be like because you [TS]

00:05:40 ◼   ► start you know very much that you're in [TS]

00:05:42 ◼   ► the heads of these three characters are [TS]

00:05:43 ◼   ► so who are really like you know you [TS]

00:05:45 ◼   ► realized okay they're from the future [TS]

00:05:47 ◼   ► they're going back in time there [TS]

00:05:48 ◼   ► historians they're there to do this [TS]

00:05:49 ◼   ► research and then there are a couple of [TS]

00:05:51 ◼   ► chapters thrown in where you're like but [TS]

00:05:54 ◼   ► who is who is this person like you all [TS]

00:05:56 ◼   ► the sudden you're not in their head [TS]

00:05:57 ◼   ► right you just observing them as they do [TS]

00:06:00 ◼   ► strange funny things they also seem to [TS]

00:06:02 ◼   ► know things right occasionally that you [TS]

00:06:04 ◼   ► know there's definitely an air and a [TS]

00:06:05 ◼   ► couple of places of like something's not [TS]

00:06:07 ◼   ► quite right with this parade or they're [TS]

00:06:08 ◼   ► hiding their hiding something [TS]

00:06:10 ◼   ► you get the sense of foreboding that [TS]

00:06:12 ◼   ► that something's really wrong and at the [TS]

00:06:13 ◼   ► end of the first book you definitely get [TS]

00:06:15 ◼   ► the feeling like you know something's [TS]

00:06:16 ◼   ► gone wrong and having trouble getting [TS]

00:06:17 ◼   ► back to the to the future and it you [TS]

00:06:22 ◼   ► know and that's and that's fine and [TS]

00:06:23 ◼   ► there in the second book I thought that [TS]

00:06:25 ◼   ► toward the end the you know she she is [TS]

00:06:27 ◼   ► not afraid to put characters in peril [TS]

00:06:30 ◼   ► and kill people off and have the [TS]

00:06:32 ◼   ► ramifications of of that I i thought [TS]

00:06:35 ◼   ► this book ended really well i was almost [TS]

00:06:38 ◼   ► ready to give us it late in the first [TS]

00:06:41 ◼   ► book in early in the second book and I [TS]

00:06:42 ◼   ► feel you know we can always talk about [TS]

00:06:45 ◼   ► how we could do a podcast about series [TS]

00:06:47 ◼   ► that disappoint us after the first book [TS]

00:06:49 ◼   ► this is a book that could be the start [TS]

00:06:51 ◼   ► of a whole new [TS]

00:06:52 ◼   ► cast which is books that needed an [TS]

00:06:53 ◼   ► editor yes books that needed a freaking [TS]

00:06:55 ◼   ► editor all gods so many like that [TS]

00:06:58 ◼   ► because this is too huge book it did not [TS]

00:07:01 ◼   ► need to be two books it was not two [TS]

00:07:03 ◼   ► books were yeah it absolutely non-book [TS]

00:07:05 ◼   ► really that could have been it should [TS]

00:07:07 ◼   ► have been trimmed down considerably and [TS]

00:07:09 ◼   ► I understand like I'm saying you know I [TS]

00:07:11 ◼   ► think there was a idea of like getting [TS]

00:07:13 ◼   ► across you just how scary and terrifying [TS]

00:07:15 ◼   ► it was to be stuck with no way out but [TS]

00:07:16 ◼   ► there were so many there's so many [TS]

00:07:18 ◼   ► arranged like yeah there's so many [TS]

00:07:21 ◼   ► arranged like closed mrs. Wright in [TS]

00:07:24 ◼   ► cases where they're like oh now these [TS]

00:07:26 ◼   ► two characters are going to meet up and [TS]

00:07:27 ◼   ► everybody the same town and then they [TS]

00:07:29 ◼   ► just miss each other and you're like [TS]

00:07:31 ◼   ► what and then you have to go like [TS]

00:07:33 ◼   ► another hundred pages before they [TS]

00:07:34 ◼   ► actually find each other you know so [TS]

00:07:36 ◼   ► some of those crosses are are funny and [TS]

00:07:39 ◼   ► some of them are are infuriating like [TS]

00:07:41 ◼   ► it's just you know just trying to [TS]

00:07:43 ◼   ► stretch things out the thing that got me [TS]

00:07:44 ◼   ► though that thing that really drove me [TS]

00:07:46 ◼   ► to almost operating was um you know [TS]

00:07:50 ◼   ► these people are from the future and so [TS]

00:07:51 ◼   ► they're concerned that even though [TS]

00:07:54 ◼   ► everything we've learned in all these [TS]

00:07:55 ◼   ► books about how going back in time is [TS]

00:07:58 ◼   ► that the universe doesn't allow you to [TS]

00:07:59 ◼   ► change change the timestream that if if [TS]

00:08:03 ◼   ► you were going to do something to change [TS]

00:08:04 ◼   ► time you just won't be able to go there [TS]

00:08:06 ◼   ► to do it so so you when you're a time [TS]

00:08:08 ◼   ► traveler you want to be careful but you [TS]

00:08:10 ◼   ► can't really change the future and yet [TS]

00:08:12 ◼   ► one of these characters in this little [TS]

00:08:14 ◼   ► yeah spends chapter after Chapter after [TS]

00:08:17 ◼   ► Chapter you spend in her head [TS]

00:08:19 ◼   ► we're all she's thinking is oh I need to [TS]

00:08:22 ◼   ► reach this person I need to tell him [TS]

00:08:23 ◼   ► this but I can't tell them this because [TS]

00:08:25 ◼   ► what if he knows this and I can't tell [TS]

00:08:26 ◼   ► them this because he what [TS]

00:08:27 ◼   ► and I'm I'm serious hundreds of pages [TS]

00:08:30 ◼   ► about a worrying about plot [TS]

00:08:33 ◼   ► ramifications about time travel that are [TS]

00:08:36 ◼   ► almost certainly not true and i just it [TS]

00:08:40 ◼   ► was it was a tricky like it's the same [TS]

00:08:42 ◼   ► notes as the problem right to hit the [TS]

00:08:44 ◼   ► same notes after time after time endless [TS]

00:08:47 ◼   ► yeah I really did feel like a dragon and [TS]

00:08:49 ◼   ► i agree like there's a great so I tell [TS]

00:08:51 ◼   ► mike should i not tell my co i can tell [TS]

00:08:53 ◼   ► i better not say anything [TS]

00:08:54 ◼   ► does he know does he does he no no he [TS]

00:08:56 ◼   ► doesn't know but I can't tell them yeah [TS]

00:08:58 ◼   ► it got it got a little bit got a little [TS]

00:09:00 ◼   ► bit frustrating and that's one of those [TS]

00:09:01 ◼   ► things where it's like it could have [TS]

00:09:02 ◼   ► been there is a good story in here there [TS]

00:09:04 ◼   ► really is it just [TS]

00:09:05 ◼   ► needed to be shout the the non sci-fi [TS]

00:09:08 ◼   ► elements are 50 they fascinate and as a [TS]

00:09:11 ◼   ► historical fiction right it's it's [TS]

00:09:13 ◼   ► fascinating like this you really get [TS]

00:09:15 ◼   ► that inside view and the drum at the end [TS]

00:09:18 ◼   ► where there are real stakes and kind of [TS]

00:09:20 ◼   ► really real sacrifices made toward the [TS]

00:09:22 ◼   ► end so that they can get home and and or [TS]

00:09:26 ◼   ► or have their story resolved in some way [TS]

00:09:29 ◼   ► you know rear end and then there's some [TS]

00:09:32 ◼   ► more kind of ships into into not not [TS]

00:09:35 ◼   ► their home future but you see things [TS]

00:09:37 ◼   ► sort of in the kind of our present-day [TS]

00:09:39 ◼   ► where they do some other characters [TS]

00:09:42 ◼   ► travel in there to try and do some [TS]

00:09:43 ◼   ► research about what happened to them [TS]

00:09:45 ◼   ► because they're trying to find them you [TS]

00:09:47 ◼   ► know that stuff was great too it's just [TS]

00:09:49 ◼   ► that there's that chunk in the middle [TS]

00:09:51 ◼   ► where it's just let's dwell on the worry [TS]

00:09:53 ◼   ► of time travelers and their anhui [TS]

00:09:55 ◼   ► existential if it was just awful [TS]

00:09:58 ◼   ► yeah and I and I think to a certain [TS]

00:10:00 ◼   ► degree a lot of this was accomplished [TS]

00:10:02 ◼   ► better in her previous books to write i [TS]

00:10:05 ◼   ► agree i mean she covered a lot of this [TS]

00:10:06 ◼   ► ground and to say nothing of the dog in [TS]

00:10:08 ◼   ► don't domesday book are both excellent [TS]

00:10:10 ◼   ► excellent books much better than this [TS]

00:10:12 ◼   ► one although this has got you know it's [TS]

00:10:13 ◼   ► a little like a mash-up that's it it's [TS]

00:10:15 ◼   ► like those two books mashed-up it and [TS]

00:10:17 ◼   ► then lots of historical stuff about the [TS]

00:10:18 ◼   ► Blitz which is really good [TS]

00:10:19 ◼   ► yeah so but yeah perplexing that it [TS]

00:10:22 ◼   ► ended up into books and that there was [TS]

00:10:24 ◼   ► nobody to say you know this should just [TS]

00:10:27 ◼   ► be shorter it's hard I mean I the ice [TS]

00:10:29 ◼   ► I imagine that after you you know she's [TS]

00:10:31 ◼   ► fairly accomplished as ray she's written [TS]

00:10:32 ◼   ► a lot of great books and I think it a [TS]

00:10:33 ◼   ► certain point maybe if you don't have [TS]

00:10:34 ◼   ► the the editor who's willing to stand up [TS]

00:10:36 ◼   ► to you you know or a lot of people [TS]

00:10:38 ◼   ► assume all you know she knows what she's [TS]

00:10:39 ◼   ► doing but even you know even good [TS]

00:10:41 ◼   ► writers need editors from time to time [TS]

00:10:43 ◼   ► alright so so that's blackout and all [TS]

00:10:45 ◼   ► clear redeeming redeeming qualities but [TS]

00:10:49 ◼   ► as kind of a long way to go [TS]

00:10:51 ◼   ► would that be kind of your site where i [TS]

00:10:52 ◼   ► would agree i would agree i I'm glad [TS]

00:10:54 ◼   ► that I'm not the only person who felt [TS]

00:10:55 ◼   ► that way because i was like maybe I'm [TS]

00:10:56 ◼   ► just not getting it like maybe I'm just [TS]

00:10:58 ◼   ► not as involved in this is I should be [TS]

00:11:00 ◼   ► but I I there was a lot there are a [TS]

00:11:02 ◼   ► couple points that really shine through [TS]

00:11:03 ◼   ► but if it did feel like that repeated [TS]

00:11:05 ◼   ► hammering of this point yes we get it [TS]

00:11:07 ◼   ► you're worried about this [TS]

00:11:08 ◼   ► ok move on third the last third of all [TS]

00:11:12 ◼   ► clear is just amazing it really is when [TS]

00:11:16 ◼   ► when it comes time to actually resolve [TS]

00:11:18 ◼   ► this [TS]

00:11:19 ◼   ► story oh yeah it becomes quite a [TS]

00:11:20 ◼   ► page-turner at that point right like [TS]

00:11:22 ◼   ► yeah but it's just you have to get [TS]

00:11:23 ◼   ► through whatever 800 pages of Eileen [TS]

00:11:26 ◼   ► worrying about whether she should tell [TS]

00:11:27 ◼   ► Mike about that she saw a guy down by [TS]

00:11:30 ◼   ► the side of the road [TS]

00:11:31 ◼   ► it's like wow no much too much too much [TS]

00:11:35 ◼   ► alright so we'll move on our next novel [TS]

00:11:38 ◼   ► is cry burn which is a miles for Kosygin [TS]

00:11:41 ◼   ► book by lois mcmaster bujold so Dan and [TS]

00:11:45 ◼   ► scott and i have read crabber and this [TS]

00:11:47 ◼   ► is the you know obviously the latest of [TS]

00:11:49 ◼   ► the 80,000 book along with Miles [TS]

00:11:52 ◼   ► Vorkosigan saga which we all I think a [TS]

00:11:55 ◼   ► bond and excellent recommendation we all [TS]

00:11:57 ◼   ► read these books and enjoy them and did [TS]

00:11:58 ◼   ► a whole podcast about right [TS]

00:12:00 ◼   ► so Dan as the as the one who's been [TS]

00:12:02 ◼   ► reading this book the longest want to [TS]

00:12:03 ◼   ► give us your take first on on cry i [TS]

00:12:06 ◼   ► really liked cry Auburn I I don't you [TS]

00:12:08 ◼   ► know it's not my favorite in the series [TS]

00:12:10 ◼   ► but coming on the heels of i think it [TS]

00:12:11 ◼   ► was in like 2003 that the last one [TS]

00:12:13 ◼   ► diplomatic immunity came out and that [TS]

00:12:16 ◼   ► book i thought was an absolute i just [TS]

00:12:17 ◼   ► did not like it [TS]

00:12:19 ◼   ► it was one is probably my least favorite [TS]

00:12:21 ◼   ► of the actual books that involve miles [TS]

00:12:24 ◼   ► and this one I thought was wasn't it an [TS]

00:12:27 ◼   ► improvement there was a really [TS]

00:12:29 ◼   ► interesting setting which is it takes [TS]

00:12:31 ◼   ► place on this world where being frozen [TS]

00:12:34 ◼   ► in like you know cryogenic storage is [TS]

00:12:37 ◼   ► like this really you know it's part of [TS]

00:12:39 ◼   ► society essentially and and all these [TS]

00:12:42 ◼   ► people get some essentially are you know [TS]

00:12:44 ◼   ► you're frozen storage and the company or [TS]

00:12:46 ◼   ► whatever that you've you know that is [TS]

00:12:48 ◼   ► storing you get your votes or whatever [TS]

00:12:50 ◼   ► you know it's it's it's right so you end [TS]

00:12:52 ◼   ► up with his corporate kind of grammar [TS]

00:12:54 ◼   ► it's that use frozen people as political [TS]

00:12:57 ◼   ► chefs yeah and and so there and then [TS]

00:13:00 ◼   ► into this comes this ensures this [TS]

00:13:01 ◼   ► intrigue that of course mile gets drawn [TS]

00:13:03 ◼   ► into I mean we kind of start it starts [TS]

00:13:06 ◼   ► off with this kind of strange like he [TS]

00:13:08 ◼   ► gets kidnapped right and it starts off [TS]

00:13:09 ◼   ► with him sort of breaking out of these [TS]

00:13:11 ◼   ► this kidnapping he befriends this young [TS]

00:13:14 ◼   ► child sort of street urchin kid and we [TS]

00:13:17 ◼   ► get we get a whole bunch of chapters [TS]

00:13:18 ◼   ► from this kids point of view which was [TS]

00:13:20 ◼   ► kind of interesting I thought in terms [TS]

00:13:21 ◼   ► of having like miles is in some ways [TS]

00:13:25 ◼   ► interesting character to see through [TS]

00:13:26 ◼   ► someone else's lens especially when it's [TS]

00:13:29 ◼   ► a kid who has this like well there's [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► this guy wandering [TS]

00:13:32 ◼   ► and he's kind of my size but he's [TS]

00:13:34 ◼   ► definitely not a child and he seems very [TS]

00:13:36 ◼   ► straight bitch and I kind of enjoyed [TS]

00:13:40 ◼   ► that i enjoyed some of the character I [TS]

00:13:42 ◼   ► think some one of the things i like is [TS]

00:13:44 ◼   ► that a lot of its secondary characters [TS]

00:13:45 ◼   ► who could have easily become cookie [TS]

00:13:48 ◼   ► cutter characters they actually fleshed [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► out a bit [TS]

00:13:50 ◼   ► there's the which is for Lincoln who [TS]

00:13:53 ◼   ► sort of this the the political guy on [TS]

00:13:55 ◼   ► the console on the planet or whatever [TS]

00:13:56 ◼   ► and he he could have very easily been [TS]

00:13:59 ◼   ► set up as just a straight file like the [TS]

00:14:01 ◼   ► guy you know you're a loose cannon you [TS]

00:14:02 ◼   ► know but he he actually becomes a very [TS]

00:14:05 ◼   ► sympathetic character and you know takes [TS]

00:14:08 ◼   ► on an interesting sort of a role in [TS]

00:14:10 ◼   ► response two miles there you know they [TS]

00:14:13 ◼   ► are heroic who's kind of his bodyguard [TS]

00:14:16 ◼   ► I think it's flush out a lot more and i [TS]

00:14:17 ◼   ► quite enjoy his his his chapters that [TS]

00:14:21 ◼   ► are narrated from his point of view [TS]

00:14:22 ◼   ► because he's obviously got a very [TS]

00:14:23 ◼   ► different perspective on this whole [TS]

00:14:24 ◼   ► affair and so you know in general I [TS]

00:14:27 ◼   ► would say it was you know like a solid [TS]

00:14:29 ◼   ► solid b-plus the ending in particular [TS]

00:14:31 ◼   ► though like you know pumps it up for me [TS]

00:14:34 ◼   ► a little bit like that it because you [TS]

00:14:36 ◼   ► kind of know it's coming but at the same [TS]

00:14:38 ◼   ► time if you've been reading the series [TS]

00:14:39 ◼   ► as long as I have you know it was still [TS]

00:14:42 ◼   ► heart-wrenching it was a heart-wrenching [TS]

00:14:43 ◼   ► end so basically you've got you know [TS]

00:14:46 ◼   ► it's kind of a fun adventure and there's [TS]

00:14:47 ◼   ► some really clever stuff but you know [TS]

00:14:51 ◼   ► when the plot is resolved then they're [TS]

00:14:52 ◼   ► sort of like the payoff of the people [TS]

00:14:54 ◼   ► who've been reading all the books where [TS]

00:14:55 ◼   ► there's you know sort of secondary thing [TS]

00:14:57 ◼   ► which is major life events for miles and [TS]

00:15:00 ◼   ► his family that only really make sense [TS]

00:15:03 ◼   ► if you've read all the other books and [TS]

00:15:05 ◼   ► thinking thinking about it gives me [TS]

00:15:07 ◼   ► goosebumps just in terms of like that's [TS]

00:15:08 ◼   ► that that's the story that I you know in [TS]

00:15:10 ◼   ► some ways that's the story I really want [TS]

00:15:12 ◼   ► to read is the thing that comes after [TS]

00:15:13 ◼   ► this right there is that nice little [TS]

00:15:15 ◼   ► epilogue where they sort of delve into [TS]

00:15:17 ◼   ► how several of the characters the majors [TS]

00:15:20 ◼   ► characters deal with this change [TS]

00:15:22 ◼   ► yeah but it really just that last line [TS]

00:15:25 ◼   ► in the book because you kind of even if [TS]

00:15:28 ◼   ► you kind of see it coming [TS]

00:15:29 ◼   ► like once it hits you i just found it I [TS]

00:15:31 ◼   ► found it very heart-wrenching yeah yeah [TS]

00:15:34 ◼   ► but the actual adventure you know it's [TS]

00:15:35 ◼   ► not my money and yeah there's a it's [TS]

00:15:37 ◼   ► like if there's a caper and they have to [TS]

00:15:39 ◼   ► go switch bodies out and then solve a [TS]

00:15:41 ◼   ► mystery of like why is this person than [TS]

00:15:44 ◼   ► lots of it is funny that [TS]

00:15:46 ◼   ► that this is a UH there's like a major [TS]

00:15:49 ◼   ► coincidence that has to happen where [TS]

00:15:51 ◼   ► miles happens to escape from being there [TS]

00:15:54 ◼   ► trying to kill them or whatever and this [TS]

00:15:56 ◼   ► kid happens to find him and it turns out [TS]

00:15:58 ◼   ► that his mom happens to be deeply [TS]

00:16:02 ◼   ► involved in the conspiracy that interest [TS]

00:16:05 ◼   ► miles and that keeps him around you know [TS]

00:16:07 ◼   ► you get it kind of a lot to get there [TS]

00:16:10 ◼   ► your butt like once they said it once [TS]

00:16:12 ◼   ► you sort of get past that premise like [TS]

00:16:13 ◼   ► that that's you know the setup i think [TS]

00:16:16 ◼   ► it does kind of you know it rolls [TS]

00:16:17 ◼   ► downhill a little better but I like [TS]

00:16:19 ◼   ► miles being put in with these people who [TS]

00:16:21 ◼   ► are like really poor and they're like [TS]

00:16:22 ◼   ► squatters in this old factory because [TS]

00:16:24 ◼   ► he's so he moves in in big circles right [TS]

00:16:29 ◼   ► he moves in in in nobility right he's a [TS]

00:16:32 ◼   ► he's a one of the privileged class of [TS]

00:16:35 ◼   ► the galaxy and so could have him be [TS]

00:16:38 ◼   ► basically like he's got nothing and he's [TS]

00:16:40 ◼   ► with these squatters and then when he [TS]

00:16:42 ◼   ► finally gets to call on some of his [TS]

00:16:44 ◼   ► resources these squatters are like oh [TS]

00:16:46 ◼   ► wow you know they really appreciate it [TS]

00:16:48 ◼   ► because he has power and these people [TS]

00:16:51 ◼   ► are completely powerless and he's like [TS]

00:16:52 ◼   ► using his power to get to bring the [TS]

00:16:55 ◼   ► hammer down a little bit yeah and it's [TS]

00:16:57 ◼   ► like a righteous thing because he you [TS]

00:16:59 ◼   ► know these people have been oppressed [TS]

00:17:01 ◼   ► and exploited for so long and then you [TS]

00:17:03 ◼   ► know he's making trouble on their behalf [TS]

00:17:05 ◼   ► these two being miles on their behalf to [TS]

00:17:07 ◼   ► for their benefit that was a fun take on [TS]

00:17:10 ◼   ► one miles Scott what do you think well I [TS]

00:17:13 ◼   ► thought it was fun read but i don't [TS]

00:17:15 ◼   ► think that it would have been nominated [TS]

00:17:17 ◼   ► for Hugo had the other novels existed if [TS]

00:17:21 ◼   ► that makes sense i mean if they didn't [TS]

00:17:22 ◼   ► exist obviously she wouldn't have [TS]

00:17:24 ◼   ► written this book but taken by itself i [TS]

00:17:27 ◼   ► do not think it's a hugo caliber novel [TS]

00:17:30 ◼   ► in given the context of the series you [TS]

00:17:33 ◼   ► know your opinion can change but I think [TS]

00:17:35 ◼   ► if I were voted for the Hugo's i would [TS]

00:17:39 ◼   ► have to look at each novel on its own [TS]

00:17:41 ◼   ► and this novel yes I don't think meets [TS]

00:17:45 ◼   ► the caliber that I expect you go [TS]

00:17:48 ◼   ► nominated nothing i would agree that I [TS]

00:17:50 ◼   ► mean I think they're there are [TS]

00:17:51 ◼   ► definitely books in the series that I [TS]

00:17:53 ◼   ► think you know have deserved that more [TS]

00:17:55 ◼   ► that honor more and it's not necessarily [TS]

00:17:57 ◼   ► the strongest standalone book [TS]

00:17:59 ◼   ► you know yeah it's fun that's what I [TS]

00:18:01 ◼   ► agree agree with both of you i think i [TS]

00:18:03 ◼   ► think it's a fun fun read surprised that [TS]

00:18:05 ◼   ► got nominated well i guess not too [TS]

00:18:07 ◼   ► surprised because many miles books have [TS]

00:18:09 ◼   ► been nominated a few of them of one but [TS]

00:18:12 ◼   ► you know yeah it absolutely is not of a [TS]

00:18:15 ◼   ► caliber to really be considered like [TS]

00:18:16 ◼   ► best novel of the year just because it [TS]

00:18:18 ◼   ► you know I knew not miles novel is fun [TS]

00:18:20 ◼   ► and i look forward to the next one but [TS]

00:18:23 ◼   ► you know it was just you know a fun [TS]

00:18:25 ◼   ► adventure rump and you know had some [TS]

00:18:27 ◼   ► interesting ideas but yeah that was that [TS]

00:18:30 ◼   ► was about as far as it went [TS]

00:18:31 ◼   ► yeah i-i-i thought a lot of it was [TS]

00:18:34 ◼   ► predictable which is kosher [TS]

00:18:36 ◼   ► I mean everybody yeah you know in the [TS]

00:18:38 ◼   ► same time and I think it tickles that [TS]

00:18:39 ◼   ► part of you that likes that you know [TS]

00:18:41 ◼   ► there's a part of me that read the book [TS]

00:18:43 ◼   ► is like all man i see what's government [TS]

00:18:44 ◼   ► and Kyrie I still really enjoy the [TS]

00:18:46 ◼   ► payoff even if icy roads coming [TS]

00:18:48 ◼   ► did you read the book yet you you're [TS]

00:18:51 ◼   ► looking for that kind of thing in the [TS]

00:18:52 ◼   ► the miles saga right because your [TS]

00:18:54 ◼   ► character you're comfortable with you [TS]

00:18:56 ◼   ► know kind of how he relates with the [TS]

00:18:58 ◼   ► world and it's interesting to see him [TS]

00:19:00 ◼   ► kind of screw-up everybody else's plans [TS]

00:19:03 ◼   ► and just kind of you know cause trouble [TS]

00:19:05 ◼   ► yeah agreed alright so we're going to [TS]

00:19:09 ◼   ► move onto a book that Glen has read part [TS]

00:19:11 ◼   ► of who the Dervish house by eve and [TS]

00:19:14 ◼   ► mcdonald I'd be happy to sever the part [TS]

00:19:16 ◼   ► i read but you didn't you didn't [TS]

00:19:18 ◼   ► actually stop reading this book and a [TS]

00:19:19 ◼   ► honey just ran out of time and time it's [TS]

00:19:22 ◼   ► um yes very i mean i look forward to [TS]

00:19:23 ◼   ► actually finishing it [TS]

00:19:25 ◼   ► it's interesting i think i tried to [TS]

00:19:26 ◼   ► start it several times and it's a little [TS]

00:19:28 ◼   ► know it's a little of flowery and [TS]

00:19:31 ◼   ► difficult at first I can't quite figure [TS]

00:19:33 ◼   ► it's like listening to music in using a [TS]

00:19:35 ◼   ► different chromatic scale than you're [TS]

00:19:37 ◼   ► used to your studio used to Western [TS]

00:19:38 ◼   ► allottees and you listen to something [TS]

00:19:40 ◼   ► you're like I can't quite figure out if [TS]

00:19:42 ◼   ► this is good or noise and it took me a [TS]

00:19:46 ◼   ► number of pages to get into it and then [TS]

00:19:47 ◼   ► I started to fly along and ran out of [TS]

00:19:48 ◼   ► time [TS]

00:19:49 ◼   ► alright well Scott and I read the whole [TS]

00:19:51 ◼   ► thing is amazing [TS]

00:19:52 ◼   ► um no I you know I thought it was a I [TS]

00:19:57 ◼   ► thought it was really good although it's [TS]

00:19:58 ◼   ► definitely not like super easy light I [TS]

00:20:01 ◼   ► mean like I blew through cry over and [TS]

00:20:03 ◼   ► dervish house took more work but i [TS]

00:20:05 ◼   ► really liked it Scott what did you think [TS]

00:20:06 ◼   ► I am a huge fan of diverse house and [TS]

00:20:10 ◼   ► and uh MacDonald in general he is [TS]

00:20:12 ◼   ► someone who I hadn't read until recently [TS]

00:20:14 ◼   ► and for some reason I got in my head [TS]

00:20:16 ◼   ► that a previous one of his books was a [TS]

00:20:19 ◼   ► kind of a prequel to dervish house was [TS]

00:20:22 ◼   ► so i said i have to read the river of [TS]

00:20:24 ◼   ► God's for readers house because it's one [TS]

00:20:26 ◼   ► story and they are completely unrelated [TS]

00:20:28 ◼   ► and step in completely different [TS]

00:20:30 ◼   ► universes both universes being our [TS]

00:20:34 ◼   ► universe but so you don't have to eat [TS]

00:20:35 ◼   ► both of them to enjoy this story at all [TS]

00:20:38 ◼   ► i don't know what i was thinking but [TS]

00:20:39 ◼   ► what I love about him well I think he's [TS]

00:20:43 ◼   ► a great writer and he sets his stuff [TS]

00:20:46 ◼   ► like Glenn you were talking about you [TS]

00:20:47 ◼   ► know different chromatic scale he sets [TS]

00:20:49 ◼   ► his settings are non-western which makes [TS]

00:20:53 ◼   ► it very interesting to me because it's [TS]

00:20:55 ◼   ► an alien culture and yet it's you know [TS]

00:20:58 ◼   ► still humans so in a dervish houses case [TS]

00:21:00 ◼   ► it we get it set and in Turkey [TS]

00:21:03 ◼   ► yep in the near future and like what 20 [TS]

00:21:06 ◼   ► 40 20 30 something like that [TS]

00:21:09 ◼   ► 20-25 minutes the it's it's me rish [TS]

00:21:11 ◼   ► future turkey [TS]

00:21:13 ◼   ► yeah it's great because i have no idea i [TS]

00:21:15 ◼   ► don't know the cultural enough to know [TS]

00:21:16 ◼   ► what is actually current behavior I mean [TS]

00:21:19 ◼   ► know the technology of course but I [TS]

00:21:21 ◼   ► don't know what's current behavior and [TS]

00:21:22 ◼   ► what's supposed it feels it feels very [TS]

00:21:25 ◼   ► genuine so even if it's wrong and feels [TS]

00:21:27 ◼   ► right but I'm but maybe it's the [TS]

00:21:29 ◼   ► displacement and a travel log kind of [TS]

00:21:31 ◼   ► feel to it was like this is cool i'm [TS]

00:21:33 ◼   ► learning things that may or may not be [TS]

00:21:34 ◼   ► true but I'm i feel like i'm learning [TS]

00:21:36 ◼   ► things about Turkey and about this sort [TS]

00:21:38 ◼   ► of it you know attitude of the Turks [TS]

00:21:41 ◼   ► toured europe and do they face toward [TS]

00:21:43 ◼   ► Europe or do they face away from Europe [TS]

00:21:45 ◼   ► and that's all going on in there which I [TS]

00:21:48 ◼   ► which is really interesting and then [TS]

00:21:49 ◼   ► there's the whole sci-fi element on top [TS]

00:21:50 ◼   ► of them and the the story of the the [TS]

00:21:52 ◼   ► mellah fide man i don't know which is [TS]

00:21:55 ◼   ► which is like again i don't know if it's [TS]

00:21:57 ◼   ► true or not but it's the the somebody he [TS]

00:22:00 ◼   ► eats honey until he dies and then they [TS]

00:22:05 ◼   ► put him in a stone casket full of honey [TS]

00:22:08 ◼   ► and they stored away in the ground and [TS]

00:22:09 ◼   ► he turns it's like his body turns into [TS]

00:22:12 ◼   ► honey and then it's supposed to like [TS]

00:22:14 ◼   ► have magical healing properties of [TS]

00:22:15 ◼   ► course i love that word i was this like [TS]

00:22:17 ◼   ► Mel ified you read that you [TS]

00:22:19 ◼   ► like well I want to know what that is so [TS]

00:22:22 ◼   ► I talk to somebody who is frustrated by [TS]

00:22:24 ◼   ► this book and um because they're stupid [TS]

00:22:26 ◼   ► drunk drunk [TS]

00:22:30 ◼   ► yes or near future turkey Nana there's [TS]

00:22:32 ◼   ► like nano technology nano technology [TS]

00:22:36 ◼   ► startups are happening and and then [TS]

00:22:40 ◼   ► there's like business guys with [TS]

00:22:41 ◼   ► investments and there's like gasps [TS]

00:22:42 ◼   ► investors and all this stuff and they [TS]

00:22:44 ◼   ► enter these multiple stories and they [TS]

00:22:46 ◼   ► eventually converge but it takes a long [TS]

00:22:47 ◼   ► time for them to converge and it's all [TS]

00:22:50 ◼   ► is keyed off of this [TS]

00:22:53 ◼   ► oh and there's the kid who's got his [TS]

00:22:54 ◼   ► robot is nanorobot and the old man who [TS]

00:22:57 ◼   ► used to be like an academic and is [TS]

00:22:59 ◼   ► connected to the government who kind of [TS]

00:23:00 ◼   ► the friends the kid and the kid can't [TS]

00:23:02 ◼   ► hear not because he can't hear but [TS]

00:23:04 ◼   ► because loud noises will cause his heart [TS]

00:23:06 ◼   ► to stop just a video crate crazy amounts [TS]

00:23:10 ◼   ► of interesting detail [TS]

00:23:11 ◼   ► oh and the man who the man who sees [TS]

00:23:13 ◼   ► Jin's oh yeah so so so it all starts [TS]

00:23:17 ◼   ► with a terrorist bombing in a tram where [TS]

00:23:19 ◼   ► nobody dies except the bottom which [TS]

00:23:22 ◼   ► seems strange and to me it was very [TS]

00:23:24 ◼   ► clear that that was important and that [TS]

00:23:27 ◼   ► everything was going to come from that [TS]

00:23:29 ◼   ► and yet I talk to somebody who is [TS]

00:23:30 ◼   ► frustrated by that i mean the amazing to [TS]

00:23:32 ◼   ► have a suicide bomber who is literally a [TS]

00:23:34 ◼   ► suicide bomber not a homicide bombers [TS]

00:23:36 ◼   ► that is an extraordinary thing in itself [TS]

00:23:37 ◼   ► right but there's something that happens [TS]

00:23:40 ◼   ► because of that leads to all these other [TS]

00:23:42 ◼   ► events to happen including the guy who's [TS]

00:23:44 ◼   ► like a petty criminal basically an air [TS]

00:23:46 ◼   ► do well who suddenly starts [TS]

00:23:48 ◼   ► hallucinating that he's seeing you know [TS]

00:23:50 ◼   ► sort of religious figures all around him [TS]

00:23:54 ◼   ► ada and and the fact that the the guy [TS]

00:23:57 ◼   ► who sees the religious figures and the [TS]

00:23:58 ◼   ► kid who saw the bombing from his room [TS]

00:24:00 ◼   ► via his robot and then it's followed by [TS]

00:24:03 ◼   ► another robot that tries to destroy his [TS]

00:24:05 ◼   ► robot and then the gas investors are [TS]

00:24:08 ◼   ► gonna try to sell irradiated gasps yeah [TS]

00:24:10 ◼   ► right because Iran has had their nuclear [TS]

00:24:12 ◼   ► complex bombed by the Americans like 10 [TS]

00:24:15 ◼   ► years before and they've got all this [TS]

00:24:16 ◼   ► gas but it passes through the radiation [TS]

00:24:18 ◼   ► zone and just all of this stuff that's [TS]

00:24:21 ◼   ► so densely packed in there and you know [TS]

00:24:23 ◼   ► it's going to converge and these [TS]

00:24:25 ◼   ► characters are the characters are [TS]

00:24:27 ◼   ► interesting although i did I to the [TS]

00:24:29 ◼   ► characters of women characters have very [TS]

00:24:31 ◼   ► similar names and i got really confused [TS]

00:24:33 ◼   ► about which one was which but you know I [TS]

00:24:35 ◼   ► figured it out eventually because one of [TS]

00:24:37 ◼   ► them had a one of the husband and the [TS]

00:24:39 ◼   ► other one didn't have a husband or a [TS]

00:24:42 ◼   ► career and was you know meet her [TS]

00:24:44 ◼   ► family's help to get a job right but uh [TS]

00:24:46 ◼   ► and and was walking past the tram when [TS]

00:24:50 ◼   ► it got bombed trying to get to a job [TS]

00:24:51 ◼   ► interview right so and then it's all [TS]

00:24:53 ◼   ► connected i can see how it's different [TS]

00:24:54 ◼   ► the names are kind of difficult to keep [TS]

00:24:56 ◼   ► strategies they were for me to keep [TS]

00:24:57 ◼   ► straight all the names because they're [TS]

00:24:59 ◼   ► so they're not Western name is so [TS]

00:25:01 ◼   ► exactly so i have no real context for [TS]

00:25:03 ◼   ► them but i think i just really love the [TS]

00:25:05 ◼   ► way he writes and the stick it in the [TS]

00:25:09 ◼   ► river of God's he also which is I think [TS]

00:25:12 ◼   ► twice the size of the Jewish house and [TS]

00:25:14 ◼   ► probably has four times as many plot [TS]

00:25:16 ◼   ► elements that all seem unrelated until [TS]

00:25:19 ◼   ► the very end he just knows how to weave [TS]

00:25:22 ◼   ► this very intricate story that you don't [TS]

00:25:25 ◼   ► really know what why you're reading 5 [TS]

00:25:28 ◼   ► different stories that seem not related [TS]

00:25:31 ◼   ► whatsoever until the last maybe ten [TS]

00:25:33 ◼   ► percent of the book and you're like uh [TS]

00:25:34 ◼   ► oh ho [TS]

00:25:35 ◼   ► it all makes sense down well and the [TS]

00:25:38 ◼   ► fact that they the plot comes together [TS]

00:25:40 ◼   ► like that which is really interesting [TS]

00:25:42 ◼   ► but also that he you know and his [TS]

00:25:44 ◼   ► writing is is really really good [TS]

00:25:46 ◼   ► some really beautiful descriptions just [TS]

00:25:48 ◼   ► adjust descriptions of of turkey of [TS]

00:25:51 ◼   ► Istanbul and the river and the bridge [TS]

00:25:55 ◼   ► over the river and all that and some you [TS]

00:25:57 ◼   ► know and then you've got some [TS]

00:25:58 ◼   ► interesting characters and then if you [TS]

00:26:00 ◼   ► step back the themes that he's talking [TS]

00:26:03 ◼   ► about you know he's talking about [TS]

00:26:04 ◼   ► identity on a lot of different levels [TS]

00:26:06 ◼   ► right there's Turkish identity and and [TS]

00:26:08 ◼   ► and how you know on one side of the [TS]

00:26:10 ◼   ► river you're in europe and on the other [TS]

00:26:11 ◼   ► side you're in Asia but also there's [TS]

00:26:13 ◼   ► this whole identity issue with the [TS]

00:26:16 ◼   ► nanotechnology and what the [TS]

00:26:18 ◼   ► nanotechnology has to do with like [TS]

00:26:20 ◼   ► modifying the identities of people and [TS]

00:26:22 ◼   ► there's a characteristic debate like [TS]

00:26:24 ◼   ► erasing the memory of a friend of his [TS]

00:26:26 ◼   ► with this nanotechnology just you know [TS]

00:26:29 ◼   ► it's such it's something that only [TS]

00:26:31 ◼   ► science fiction can do and it's actually [TS]

00:26:32 ◼   ► one of the reasons why really good [TS]

00:26:33 ◼   ► science fiction is so great and why i [TS]

00:26:35 ◼   ► love reading it is that you know to use [TS]

00:26:39 ◼   ► all of these tools to talk about culture [TS]

00:26:41 ◼   ► and identity and technology and how they [TS]

00:26:44 ◼   ► all interact [TS]

00:26:45 ◼   ► and and and then speculate a little bit [TS]

00:26:47 ◼   ► about a future where the hots the hot [TS]

00:26:50 ◼   ► tech startups are outside of istanbul [TS]

00:26:51 ◼   ► turkey instead of in Silicon Valley is [TS]

00:26:54 ◼   ► uh you know it's really it is just so [TS]

00:26:57 ◼   ► much to it and it sits there it was a [TS]

00:27:00 ◼   ► real joy to read it and I want some of [TS]

00:27:02 ◼   ► those nanobots toys that kid has yeah [TS]

00:27:06 ◼   ► he's got the it turns into a monkey and [TS]

00:27:08 ◼   ► a rat and a snake and I mean there's [TS]

00:27:11 ◼   ► action to I shouldn't say this is like a [TS]

00:27:12 ◼   ► complex meditation on identity because [TS]

00:27:15 ◼   ► while it is that there's also like some [TS]

00:27:17 ◼   ► great action stuff where the you know [TS]

00:27:19 ◼   ► the monkey robot has to like free a guy [TS]

00:27:22 ◼   ► and they're doing like hand signals [TS]

00:27:24 ◼   ► because the guy was being held by these [TS]

00:27:25 ◼   ► terrorists and that he acted it works on [TS]

00:27:29 ◼   ► many levels and maybe there's the the [TS]

00:27:31 ◼   ► mellah five-man which is such a great [TS]

00:27:32 ◼   ► thing really is not very important [TS]

00:27:36 ◼   ► whatsoever to little overall plot of the [TS]

00:27:39 ◼   ► story but it's got some great raiders of [TS]

00:27:41 ◼   ► the lost ark kindness is that has been [TS]

00:27:43 ◼   ► open their tracking it down and you know [TS]

00:27:45 ◼   ► you get that whole concept of the [TS]

00:27:47 ◼   ► architect who laid out in Istanbul and [TS]

00:27:50 ◼   ► who wanted to spell the name of God out [TS]

00:27:52 ◼   ► who did apparently well in this book he [TS]

00:27:54 ◼   ► spilled up a name of God and that was [TS]

00:27:56 ◼   ► how they kind of have to figure out [TS]

00:27:57 ◼   ► where the mellah fide man was and the [TS]

00:27:59 ◼   ► fanatic who once he saw the name he [TS]

00:28:02 ◼   ► carries acid on him as we can burn his [TS]

00:28:05 ◼   ► eyes out [TS]

00:28:06 ◼   ► so the last thing he sees is the last [TS]

00:28:08 ◼   ► word of the name of God and then he'll [TS]

00:28:09 ◼   ► burn his eyes out exactly so much to [TS]

00:28:12 ◼   ► like and it's not very long book either [TS]

00:28:13 ◼   ► so I he packs it all it it's really good [TS]

00:28:16 ◼   ► very good book one of the better books [TS]

00:28:18 ◼   ► that I've read and and in quite a while [TS]

00:28:21 ◼   ► yes and if it does not win the hugo [TS]

00:28:23 ◼   ► something is terribly wrong [TS]

00:28:25 ◼   ► yeah I great so highly recommended from [TS]

00:28:28 ◼   ► all of us [TS]

00:28:29 ◼   ► let's check it up and if if you if you [TS]

00:28:31 ◼   ► like it you should start read the [TS]

00:28:32 ◼   ► directions first because it is short and [TS]

00:28:34 ◼   ► if you like it [TS]

00:28:35 ◼   ► pick up the river gods which is also [TS]

00:28:37 ◼   ► fantastic but much longer and much more [TS]

00:28:40 ◼   ► dense alright we will we will move on to [TS]

00:28:44 ◼   ► our next hugo nominees selection we're [TS]

00:28:46 ◼   ► just blowing through the books after [TS]

00:28:47 ◼   ► band knocking them down if you don't [TS]

00:28:49 ◼   ► really goes much faster yes yes haha [TS]

00:28:52 ◼   ► feed by mirror Grant who read fee i did [TS]

00:28:55 ◼   ► mean for shot and neither of us liked it [TS]

00:28:58 ◼   ► ok so let me talk about food for manage [TS]

00:29:03 ◼   ► and winding up can you give you hear it [TS]

00:29:05 ◼   ► and the pit shit it's crap [TS]

00:29:07 ◼   ► oh yeah I i have so many problems with [TS]

00:29:11 ◼   ► this book i will let you go first okay [TS]

00:29:13 ◼   ► let's see if I can hit the problems that [TS]

00:29:15 ◼   ► you've got her if you've got your own [TS]

00:29:16 ◼   ► defeated by mere Grant who is actually [TS]

00:29:18 ◼   ► mirror grant is actually a pseudonym for [TS]

00:29:21 ◼   ► a writer of other novels called I guess [TS]

00:29:27 ◼   ► her name is Shawn Maguire and she wrote [TS]

00:29:30 ◼   ► this under a pen name she's a she's a [TS]

00:29:32 ◼   ► sci-fi writer of some sort of position [TS]

00:29:35 ◼   ► is it young adult stuff is that [TS]

00:29:37 ◼   ► yeah and I think she's just I think [TS]

00:29:39 ◼   ► she's generally liked and she wrote this [TS]

00:29:40 ◼   ► under this other name and it got [TS]

00:29:42 ◼   ► nominated and it awful up [TS]

00:29:44 ◼   ► it baffles me anyway so that before i go [TS]

00:29:47 ◼   ► about bafflement let's just talk about [TS]

00:29:49 ◼   ► the book feed is is a novel about [TS]

00:29:52 ◼   ► bloggers yes who are essentially news [TS]

00:29:58 ◼   ► reporters of the future and this is set [TS]

00:29:59 ◼   ► in the near future as well where [TS]

00:30:01 ◼   ► technology is a little more advanced [TS]

00:30:03 ◼   ► also there's been a zombie apocalypse [TS]

00:30:04 ◼   ► not making this up [TS]

00:30:06 ◼   ► zombie apocalypse there's a you know a [TS]

00:30:09 ◼   ► virus or actually a a virus and a cure [TS]

00:30:13 ◼   ► for the common cold that meat and create [TS]

00:30:16 ◼   ► zombies [TS]

00:30:17 ◼   ► yes and everybody who dies becomes a [TS]

00:30:19 ◼   ► zombie and if you get bitten [TS]

00:30:22 ◼   ► if by a zombie you die and then your [TS]

00:30:25 ◼   ► zombie and an interesting but I think [TS]

00:30:27 ◼   ► that her world building was interesting [TS]

00:30:29 ◼   ► so you can also since the the whatever [TS]

00:30:32 ◼   ► the the zombie particle or whatever you [TS]

00:30:34 ◼   ► wanna call it has been around it has a [TS]

00:30:37 ◼   ► virus yet the virus that's probably [TS]

00:30:38 ◼   ► better is it so it's in everyone and it [TS]

00:30:41 ◼   ► can just spontaneously activate so you [TS]

00:30:45 ◼   ► don't have to be bitten by a zombie you [TS]

00:30:46 ◼   ► can just spontaneously turn into a [TS]

00:30:49 ◼   ► zombie and animals also turned into [TS]

00:30:51 ◼   ► zombies over 40 pounds or something so [TS]

00:30:54 ◼   ► right there's like there's a law that [TS]

00:30:55 ◼   ► you can't have a pet that's over 40 [TS]

00:30:57 ◼   ► pounds because it could spontaneously [TS]

00:30:59 ◼   ► turn into like a zombie [TS]

00:31:01 ◼   ► Marmaduke but think how Bad's Ombey like [TS]

00:31:04 ◼   ► mosquitoes would be zombie one rat [TS]

00:31:06 ◼   ► that's why you can't do that yet so but [TS]

00:31:08 ◼   ► zombie horses yes [TS]

00:31:09 ◼   ► so here's the thing though she you're [TS]

00:31:11 ◼   ► right Scott [TS]

00:31:12 ◼   ► the the world-building the world she [TS]

00:31:15 ◼   ► builds is interesting who her world [TS]

00:31:18 ◼   ► building skills are poor because the way [TS]

00:31:21 ◼   ► the world gets built in the story is [TS]

00:31:23 ◼   ► that somebody will like say something to [TS]

00:31:26 ◼   ► another character and then they'll be [TS]

00:31:28 ◼   ► four pages of explanation of what this [TS]

00:31:31 ◼   ► means and how this happened in history [TS]

00:31:32 ◼   ► and how it all came to be at which point [TS]

00:31:35 ◼   ► you will then immediately go to the [TS]

00:31:37 ◼   ► response of the character in the [TS]

00:31:39 ◼   ► conversation you're like what [TS]

00:31:40 ◼   ► oh right i was in the middle of a [TS]

00:31:42 ◼   ► conversation before there were five [TS]

00:31:43 ◼   ► pages of exposition it's kind of like [TS]

00:31:45 ◼   ► her editor said show your work [TS]

00:31:47 ◼   ► yeah yeah and so rather than dropping [TS]

00:31:49 ◼   ► kind of these these hints and clues [TS]

00:31:51 ◼   ► about how it's going to work throughout [TS]

00:31:53 ◼   ► she just sort of lays it all out there [TS]

00:31:55 ◼   ► the dialogue is is poured the characters [TS]

00:31:58 ◼   ► you know a couple of the characters are [TS]

00:32:00 ◼   ► interesting but mostly the characters [TS]

00:32:01 ◼   ► are cardboard cutouts I think she's got [TS]

00:32:03 ◼   ► some kind of interesting things to say [TS]

00:32:04 ◼   ► about the media and blogging as people [TS]

00:32:08 ◼   ► who work in primarily electronic media [TS]

00:32:11 ◼   ► she's trying to get some of what she [TS]

00:32:14 ◼   ► says it's kind of interesting and what [TS]

00:32:16 ◼   ► she envisions as mass media but most of [TS]

00:32:19 ◼   ► it is so simplified and sort of silly [TS]

00:32:21 ◼   ► and it seems it feels to be like if this [TS]

00:32:23 ◼   ► was a book written by someone who [TS]

00:32:26 ◼   ► discovered blogging in like 1996 and r [TS]

00:32:30 ◼   ► is setting out a world where that can [TS]

00:32:32 ◼   ► you believe that bloggers are actually [TS]

00:32:34 ◼   ► credible now its creation and I'm like I [TS]

00:32:36 ◼   ► can't believe it because I'm living in [TS]

00:32:37 ◼   ► that world right as if that happens so [TS]

00:32:40 ◼   ► the characters are not great that the [TS]

00:32:42 ◼   ► dialogue is bad there's huge amounts of [TS]

00:32:44 ◼   ► exposition so my other problems with it [TS]

00:32:47 ◼   ► there's a political story the story is [TS]

00:32:49 ◼   ► the bloggers get to cover up hold [TS]

00:32:51 ◼   ► presidential campaign tag along on the [TS]

00:32:54 ◼   ► with one of the candidates with with an [TS]

00:32:57 ◼   ► improbable e nice candid he is he is [TS]

00:33:01 ◼   ► they don't believe how night had not how [TS]

00:33:03 ◼   ► nice goodie is so you know that in the [TS]

00:33:05 ◼   ► end [TS]

00:33:06 ◼   ► how could he be nice and good because [TS]

00:33:07 ◼   ► he's so perfect well the answer is he so [TS]

00:33:09 ◼   ► perfect cause he's a really bad [TS]

00:33:10 ◼   ► character and he just as perfect as [TS]

00:33:12 ◼   ► president but he doesn't have to have [TS]

00:33:14 ◼   ► any imperfections because his running [TS]

00:33:16 ◼   ► mate becomes the stock evil general so I [TS]

00:33:20 ◼   ► I fire off the spoiler horn but honestly [TS]

00:33:22 ◼   ► the law of the economy of characters is [TS]

00:33:25 ◼   ► in full force in this book [TS]

00:33:26 ◼   ► which is there's only one person who [TS]

00:33:28 ◼   ► could be the bad guy and it's the guy [TS]

00:33:30 ◼   ► who is completely evil from the [TS]

00:33:32 ◼   ► beginning Nov and redeeming values and [TS]

00:33:35 ◼   ► let me alert [TS]

00:33:36 ◼   ► yes spoiler alert he is the bad girl [TS]

00:33:39 ◼   ► because of course he's the bad guy he's [TS]

00:33:41 ◼   ► the only bad guy in the book yeah and [TS]

00:33:42 ◼   ► he's a nice old mustache twirling he's [TS]

00:33:46 ◼   ► snidely whiplash of fundamentalist [TS]

00:33:49 ◼   ► Republican presidential candidate who [TS]

00:33:52 ◼   ► becomes a vice-presidential candidate [TS]

00:33:53 ◼   ► and is plotting the death of his running [TS]

00:33:57 ◼   ► mate sabu haha he can become the [TS]

00:33:59 ◼   ► president of the United States awful so [TS]

00:34:01 ◼   ► so I'm um ok Scott you go [TS]

00:34:04 ◼   ► I i'm trying to think what else I have a [TS]

00:34:06 ◼   ► long list let me know what else [TS]

00:34:08 ◼   ► ok so I have a couple of other things [TS]

00:34:09 ◼   ► she so it annoys me in general I read [TS]

00:34:14 ◼   ► books you know I started to beginning [TS]

00:34:17 ◼   ► and read through it and I noticed some [TS]

00:34:19 ◼   ► authors traditional you know that's just [TS]

00:34:20 ◼   ► how i do it call me crazy and as I do it [TS]

00:34:24 ◼   ► I remember even though I have this weird [TS]

00:34:26 ◼   ► book amnesia as i'm reading a book i [TS]

00:34:29 ◼   ► generally remember what i'm reading and [TS]

00:34:31 ◼   ► so I notice if an author is using the [TS]

00:34:34 ◼   ► same phrase over and over and over again [TS]

00:34:37 ◼   ► and apparently this author really likes [TS]

00:34:40 ◼   ► the phrase poke it with a stick because [TS]

00:34:42 ◼   ► like every other page poke it with a [TS]

00:34:45 ◼   ► stick and I like with a stick [TS]

00:34:47 ◼   ► I don't understand why you keep coming [TS]

00:34:49 ◼   ► back to poke it with a stick it has [TS]

00:34:50 ◼   ► nothing to do I understand you know [TS]

00:34:52 ◼   ► there are literary techniques where you [TS]

00:34:54 ◼   ► repetition it builds it up but poke it [TS]

00:34:56 ◼   ► with a stick with the wine-dark mine it [TS]

00:34:58 ◼   ► gets of its got nothing [TS]

00:35:00 ◼   ► ok with a stick and then I I i work in [TS]

00:35:04 ◼   ► IT you know specifically insecurity [TS]

00:35:07 ◼   ► right so there's a there's a character [TS]

00:35:08 ◼   ► in this book who is given you know these [TS]

00:35:12 ◼   ► mythical IT abilities right and she's [TS]

00:35:15 ◼   ► built the system that no one can hack [TS]

00:35:18 ◼   ► and it's impenetrable and she you know [TS]

00:35:21 ◼   ► she dies [TS]

00:35:22 ◼   ► spoiler alert after the fact with [TS]

00:35:25 ◼   ► leaving leaving no pet leaving no [TS]

00:35:27 ◼   ► password behind ever know she left a [TS]

00:35:28 ◼   ► password behind and so the characters [TS]

00:35:30 ◼   ► like message from the grave exactly the [TS]

00:35:32 ◼   ► characters like oh well let me just log [TS]

00:35:34 ◼   ► into the system that no one could [TS]

00:35:35 ◼   ► possibly hack with a 5 character [TS]

00:35:38 ◼   ► password that is a common [TS]

00:35:39 ◼   ► now I'm like what the hell is going on [TS]

00:35:45 ◼   ► in this world [TS]

00:35:46 ◼   ► how did you know what my password once [TS]

00:35:47 ◼   ► thats it was it was infuriating to me [TS]

00:35:51 ◼   ► because it was just so ridiculous and [TS]

00:35:57 ◼   ► and the end so the two main characters [TS]

00:35:58 ◼   ► are brother and sister and they have the [TS]

00:36:01 ◼   ► creepiest relationship ever [TS]

00:36:03 ◼   ► I kept waiting for them to have sex so [TS]

00:36:05 ◼   ► did I it was so we're super creepy it [TS]

00:36:10 ◼   ► was like Angelina Jolie and her brother [TS]

00:36:12 ◼   ► kind of yeah this is it was creepy [TS]

00:36:14 ◼   ► it was it was not it was distracting [TS]

00:36:17 ◼   ► honestly from the rest of the story and [TS]

00:36:19 ◼   ► it didn't have to be now but it was [TS]

00:36:22 ◼   ► because it was just so weird i don't [TS]

00:36:24 ◼   ► think it ended me to Scott that it was [TS]

00:36:26 ◼   ► really weird i did so i'm gonna fire off [TS]

00:36:29 ◼   ► the spoiler warning here [TS]

00:36:30 ◼   ► [Music] [TS]

00:36:34 ◼   ► the spoiler is it's not going to win a [TS]

00:36:36 ◼   ► hugo up [TS]

00:36:39 ◼   ► no I want to talk about the one thing [TS]

00:36:40 ◼   ► that I appreciate about this book which [TS]

00:36:42 ◼   ► I was why I have to fire off the spoiler [TS]

00:36:44 ◼   ► horn what I appreciate about this book [TS]

00:36:46 ◼   ► is that eighty percent of the way [TS]

00:36:47 ◼   ► through it the protagonist is killed em [TS]

00:36:50 ◼   ► and her brother takes over as the [TS]

00:36:53 ◼   ► viewpoint character for the rest of the [TS]

00:36:54 ◼   ► book she she gets hit by a dart full of [TS]

00:36:57 ◼   ► zombie venom or whatever it is and and [TS]

00:37:00 ◼   ► there's a very interesting scene where [TS]

00:37:02 ◼   ► she is doing her last message as the as [TS]

00:37:06 ◼   ► as her brain slowly starts to shut down [TS]

00:37:08 ◼   ► and become zombified and then he blows [TS]

00:37:10 ◼   ► her brains out and then the rest of the [TS]

00:37:12 ◼   ► story and the rest of the plot results [TS]

00:37:14 ◼   ► itself with the brother who is you know [TS]

00:37:16 ◼   ► obviously very upset [TS]

00:37:17 ◼   ► I like the fact that she had the guts to [TS]

00:37:19 ◼   ► go through almost the whole book but not [TS]

00:37:22 ◼   ► till the end kill off the main character [TS]

00:37:24 ◼   ► and have the resolution have to come [TS]

00:37:26 ◼   ► from her brother who is very upset that [TS]

00:37:27 ◼   ► that hit the protagonist in the book [TS]

00:37:29 ◼   ► that he was in has died so he has to [TS]

00:37:31 ◼   ► become the protagonist because he didn't [TS]

00:37:32 ◼   ► sign up for this crowd and he just wants [TS]

00:37:34 ◼   ► to poke things with sticks [TS]

00:37:35 ◼   ► yeah exactly so that I like that's the [TS]

00:37:39 ◼   ► one if you gotta say something positive [TS]

00:37:40 ◼   ► about I like that that was a that was [TS]

00:37:41 ◼   ► kind of a narrative interesting [TS]

00:37:43 ◼   ► narrative decision and you know so there [TS]

00:37:46 ◼   ► but otherwise this was really not very [TS]

00:37:49 ◼   ► good know it was I mean it would have [TS]

00:37:52 ◼   ► been bringing an endorsement [TS]

00:37:54 ◼   ► I cannot believe I actually i look at [TS]

00:37:57 ◼   ► this and think how did this get [TS]

00:37:59 ◼   ► nominated for hugo award was there was [TS]

00:38:01 ◼   ► there a campaign was there astronaut [TS]

00:38:03 ◼   ► earlier they had the computer the [TS]

00:38:05 ◼   ► computer genius hacked the voting system [TS]

00:38:07 ◼   ► while your password and it isn't it will [TS]

00:38:10 ◼   ► unbreak so secure the shugo voting [TS]

00:38:13 ◼   ► system could never be my I don't [TS]

00:38:17 ◼   ► yeah I don't just be I don't understand [TS]

00:38:20 ◼   ► a world where this book and the Dervish [TS]

00:38:23 ◼   ► house and even you know a hundred [TS]

00:38:25 ◼   ► thousand kingdoms and and a cryo burn [TS]

00:38:28 ◼   ► can be considered in the same group [TS]

00:38:31 ◼   ► it's just the gap is so why don't [TS]

00:38:33 ◼   ► understand it [TS]

00:38:35 ◼   ► zombie demographic they vote I guess [TS]

00:38:38 ◼   ► zombie I I actually you know Scott I [TS]

00:38:42 ◼   ► believe the dream of perpetual motion [TS]

00:38:44 ◼   ► would have been eligible this year right [TS]

00:38:46 ◼   ► the dream of perpetual motion is [TS]

00:38:48 ◼   ► about 14,000 times better than feed yeah [TS]

00:38:51 ◼   ► this is the thing that gets me is is I i [TS]

00:38:53 ◼   ► actually nominated the dream of [TS]

00:38:54 ◼   ► perpetual motion for all of its you know [TS]

00:38:56 ◼   ► interesting challenges it is roughly an [TS]

00:39:00 ◼   ► infinite amount times better than busy i [TS]

00:39:03 ◼   ► think so i haven't even read feed but [TS]

00:39:05 ◼   ► you know you're special motion [TS]

00:39:06 ◼   ► I don't worry we read it was months ago [TS]

00:39:08 ◼   ► I still a book still occupies my mind [TS]

00:39:10 ◼   ► part at times very so so Dan and Glenn [TS]

00:39:14 ◼   ► what what can I tell you you gotta reach [TS]

00:39:16 ◼   ► yeah I'm gonna take it on the go [TS]

00:39:17 ◼   ► oh I'm gonna go right out i'm so glad [TS]

00:39:19 ◼   ► that I didn't just like go on mute for [TS]

00:39:21 ◼   ► this and then come back and guys like a [TS]

00:39:22 ◼   ► totally read happy sucker and the best [TS]

00:39:27 ◼   ► part is it's the first book in the [TS]

00:39:28 ◼   ► trilogy so of course after so I'm going [TS]

00:39:33 ◼   ► to the I should say i'm going to the [TS]

00:39:35 ◼   ► Reno con the innovation which is the [TS]

00:39:38 ◼   ► world con this year in in reno nevada [TS]

00:39:40 ◼   ► lovely summer in reno nothing better [TS]

00:39:43 ◼   ► of course all the hugo nominees going to [TS]

00:39:44 ◼   ► be there and I'm actually hoping to go [TS]

00:39:46 ◼   ► to the hugo ceremony awkward and punch [TS]

00:39:48 ◼   ► out the authors write and here's the [TS]

00:39:51 ◼   ► thing is I'm going to see her there [TS]

00:39:52 ◼   ► shaker that'd be like I gotta walk away [TS]

00:39:55 ◼   ► Jason if you have nothing nice to say [TS]

00:39:57 ◼   ► because i haven't read any of your other [TS]

00:39:59 ◼   ► books but the one book i read then punch [TS]

00:40:01 ◼   ► them in the face yeah you could say I [TS]

00:40:03 ◼   ► really like how you killed your [TS]

00:40:04 ◼   ► protagonist yeah that's right that's [TS]

00:40:07 ◼   ► right i thought it was very brave of you [TS]

00:40:08 ◼   ► to kill your protectiveness most of the [TS]

00:40:10 ◼   ► way through your novel and what do you [TS]

00:40:12 ◼   ► think about the rest of my book did you [TS]

00:40:13 ◼   ► like it [TS]

00:40:14 ◼   ► I wish you I wish you had killed that [TS]

00:40:16 ◼   ► you're an embarrassment of humor [TS]

00:40:18 ◼   ► alright i I'm glad you didn't make the [TS]

00:40:21 ◼   ► brother and sister have sex [TS]

00:40:22 ◼   ► thank you yeah well it always it always [TS]

00:40:25 ◼   ► it always pains me to criticize [TS]

00:40:27 ◼   ► someone's book so harshly because they [TS]

00:40:29 ◼   ► spent so much time writing it and you [TS]

00:40:31 ◼   ► can tell she was really invested in it [TS]

00:40:33 ◼   ► but it's not very good I'm sorry no it's [TS]

00:40:35 ◼   ► not [TS]

00:40:36 ◼   ► hey is your nomination sell enough it's [TS]

00:40:38 ◼   ► not it's not only not in the class to be [TS]

00:40:40 ◼   ► a hugo nominee it's not in the class to [TS]

00:40:41 ◼   ► be considered a good but now it's just a [TS]

00:40:43 ◼   ► bad and frankly it cheapens the hugo [TS]

00:40:45 ◼   ► award for heavy and not really does i [TS]

00:40:47 ◼   ► don't and it's a parasite is hundred [TS]

00:40:49 ◼   ► thousand hundred thousand kids how many [TS]

00:40:53 ◼   ► kingdoms yr a hundred Lee out hundreds a [TS]

00:40:56 ◼   ► big planet I think that's a lot of [TS]

00:40:57 ◼   ► kingdoms it is alright did everybody [TS]

00:41:00 ◼   ► read [TS]

00:41:01 ◼   ► NK Jameson's hundred thousand kingdoms i [TS]

00:41:03 ◼   ► read this book and I read the sequel by [TS]

00:41:05 ◼   ► the way around half of it [TS]

00:41:07 ◼   ► this book is a hundred thousand times [TS]

00:41:09 ◼   ► better than feed so feeds like feels [TS]

00:41:11 ◼   ► like one Kingdom is that what you're [TS]

00:41:13 ◼   ► saying and feed it feed is half a [TS]

00:41:15 ◼   ► Connecticut negative negative zombies [TS]

00:41:18 ◼   ► three kingdoms these zombie-infested [TS]

00:41:20 ◼   ► blogger infested king that's right that [TS]

00:41:23 ◼   ► is very secured i think let's think [TS]

00:41:26 ◼   ► that's where we're going I have the [TS]

00:41:28 ◼   ► floor [TS]

00:41:29 ◼   ► I thought hundred thousand kingdom out i [TS]

00:41:31 ◼   ► know i see i read it without thinking [TS]

00:41:32 ◼   ► about the fantasy about Hugo issue and [TS]

00:41:34 ◼   ► the fantasy sci-fi thing and it's it is [TS]

00:41:37 ◼   ► fantasy with a 0.001% science fiction [TS]

00:41:43 ◼   ► thrown in to make it feel a little bit [TS]

00:41:46 ◼   ► more sci-fi I mean there is a little bit [TS]

00:41:48 ◼   ► of sci-fi overtone like to like you know [TS]

00:41:50 ◼   ► a little taste of it in there but it's [TS]

00:41:52 ◼   ► really fantasy but I thought it was [TS]

00:41:53 ◼   ► quite a beautiful novel I i think it's [TS]

00:41:55 ◼   ► an incredibly good read [TS]

00:41:57 ◼   ► yeah i was drawn into it right away it's [TS]

00:41:59 ◼   ► very complicated she's fully populated [TS]

00:42:01 ◼   ► world starting from scratch he has this [TS]

00:42:03 ◼   ► world of richness of gods and man you're [TS]

00:42:06 ◼   ► like wait a little bit about what the [TS]

00:42:08 ◼   ► book is about sure [TS]

00:42:09 ◼   ► well so the idea is that they live in a [TS]

00:42:11 ◼   ► universe that this HR the book is about [TS]

00:42:13 ◼   ► essentially a other bloggers say happy [TS]

00:42:16 ◼   ► other plugins tell his other side of [TS]

00:42:17 ◼   ► hell is other planters zombie blogger [TS]

00:42:20 ◼   ► the book is about a woman a girl who [TS]

00:42:22 ◼   ► lives in a distant Kingdom from sort of [TS]

00:42:23 ◼   ► the center of the world is practically a [TS]

00:42:25 ◼   ► legitimate center of the world which all [TS]

00:42:27 ◼   ► the power resides and she's called by [TS]

00:42:30 ◼   ► her grandfather she's a sort of a [TS]

00:42:32 ◼   ► half-caste she's called but a prominent [TS]

00:42:34 ◼   ► her own Kingdom in the north [TS]

00:42:35 ◼   ► she's called to the central Kingdom and [TS]

00:42:38 ◼   ► her grandfather is it is named here is [TS]

00:42:41 ◼   ► one of his heirs three potential errors [TS]

00:42:43 ◼   ► and will be some kind of you know [TS]

00:42:44 ◼   ► there's imagination there but she finds [TS]

00:42:46 ◼   ► out very quickly spoiler horn that [TS]

00:42:49 ◼   ► really she's there to die because [TS]

00:42:51 ◼   ► someone has to die in order for the [TS]

00:42:53 ◼   ► accession ascension to happen for the [TS]

00:42:55 ◼   ► next ruler of the kingdom but here's the [TS]

00:42:58 ◼   ► thing you know a lot of kingdoms a lot [TS]

00:43:00 ◼   ► of novels talk about the gods and how [TS]

00:43:02 ◼   ► important they are whatever and [TS]

00:43:03 ◼   ► sometimes they're made manifest in this [TS]

00:43:05 ◼   ► the gods are no real and palpable and [TS]

00:43:08 ◼   ► they're in the captain the cash will be [TS]

00:43:09 ◼   ► trapped right because there's other was [TS]

00:43:12 ◼   ► an epic battle between the three Creator [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► God [TS]

00:43:14 ◼   ► of sorts of different ages in this [TS]

00:43:16 ◼   ► universe are three legitimate creator [TS]

00:43:18 ◼   ► gods and one of them two of them were [TS]

00:43:20 ◼   ► lovers a third came along a to sort of [TS]

00:43:22 ◼   ► male entities were lovers and friends [TS]

00:43:24 ◼   ► and foes at third came along and she [TS]

00:43:26 ◼   ► provided a balanced and then sort of [TS]

00:43:29 ◼   ► poison entered one of their hearts and [TS]

00:43:30 ◼   ► the one who is the white is the light he [TS]

00:43:32 ◼   ► manages to kill the sort of woman who [TS]

00:43:36 ◼   ► symbolize are the goddess who symbolizes [TS]

00:43:37 ◼   ► all of growth in creation and then [TS]

00:43:40 ◼   ► enslave the one who is the symbol of [TS]

00:43:42 ◼   ► darkness and so the darkness and all of [TS]

00:43:45 ◼   ► his children and all of those related [TS]

00:43:47 ◼   ► are all now subject there under the [TS]

00:43:49 ◼   ► thumb of this ruling family essentially [TS]

00:43:51 ◼   ► can order them around and make them do [TS]

00:43:53 ◼   ► their will and it's there all humiliated [TS]

00:43:55 ◼   ► and have been for some I think it's [TS]

00:43:57 ◼   ► thousands of years at that point right [TS]

00:43:59 ◼   ► it's a couple thousand you and me [TS]

00:44:00 ◼   ► so it's a beautiful thing it's like the [TS]

00:44:02 ◼   ► gods are made manifest and yet there and [TS]

00:44:03 ◼   ► change their suffering but they're need [TS]

00:44:05 ◼   ► you know if released they would destroy [TS]

00:44:07 ◼   ► everything and and this woman comes into [TS]

00:44:09 ◼   ► this environment she's the outsider lets [TS]

00:44:11 ◼   ► us have the perspective we get to know [TS]

00:44:12 ◼   ► exposition thank you for the expedition [TS]

00:44:14 ◼   ► because she's coming in without any [TS]

00:44:16 ◼   ► knowledge beyond sort of distant stories [TS]

00:44:18 ◼   ► about what the situation is it's very [TS]

00:44:20 ◼   ► complicated it's very well realized and [TS]

00:44:22 ◼   ► I think it's um it's so subtle so many [TS]

00:44:25 ◼   ► things happen in the novel that I mean [TS]

00:44:27 ◼   ► some of the plot points are very broad i [TS]

00:44:29 ◼   ► would argue but some of the actual [TS]

00:44:30 ◼   ► events the way in which people are [TS]

00:44:31 ◼   ► acting what they do [TS]

00:44:32 ◼   ► totally unexpected to me and I kind of [TS]

00:44:35 ◼   ► love the narrative i love the University [TS]

00:44:37 ◼   ► immediately went and bought and read the [TS]

00:44:39 ◼   ► second book and there's a third in a [TS]

00:44:41 ◼   ► trilogy coming out this October I [TS]

00:44:43 ◼   ► enjoyed it very much actually I think [TS]

00:44:47 ◼   ► this is probably my second right after [TS]

00:44:48 ◼   ► dervish house if drivers house was not [TS]

00:44:50 ◼   ► nominated I think this would probably be [TS]

00:44:52 ◼   ► the one I would think should get the [TS]

00:44:54 ◼   ► hugo it was unlike any fantasy book i [TS]

00:44:57 ◼   ► think i've ever read very enjoyable well [TS]

00:45:00 ◼   ► written i like the interaction with the [TS]

00:45:03 ◼   ► gods [TS]

00:45:04 ◼   ► I like the the idea that they their City [TS]

00:45:08 ◼   ► sky that hovers I guess above the the [TS]

00:45:11 ◼   ► kingdom or something and this whole [TS]

00:45:13 ◼   ► family lives there and you have to be a [TS]

00:45:15 ◼   ► part of the family to live there because [TS]

00:45:17 ◼   ► if you're not you can't get this little [TS]

00:45:19 ◼   ► symbol on your like implanted on your [TS]

00:45:22 ◼   ► head that protects you from the [TS]

00:45:24 ◼   ► the the captured gods that roam the [TS]

00:45:27 ◼   ► hallways so that they can go just go [TS]

00:45:29 ◼   ► just kill you because they're angry [TS]

00:45:32 ◼   ► they're and they're sort of you know [TS]

00:45:33 ◼   ► like all gods are there sort of [TS]

00:45:35 ◼   ► capricious and so even though they're [TS]

00:45:36 ◼   ► under the thumb of you say something [TS]

00:45:38 ◼   ► like get get me away from here they [TS]

00:45:41 ◼   ► might send you to the bottom of the [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► ocean [TS]

00:45:43 ◼   ► you have to be very precise it's like a [TS]

00:45:45 ◼   ► genie is you have to be very precise [TS]

00:45:46 ◼   ► with you ask because if you ask me [TS]

00:45:48 ◼   ► emphasize they are then still within the [TS]

00:45:50 ◼   ► rule of the law of this sort of balls [TS]

00:45:52 ◼   ► been laid down by this Elder God but you [TS]

00:45:54 ◼   ► look funny about it setup we started out [TS]

00:45:56 ◼   ► you're like well they're so this is sort [TS]

00:45:57 ◼   ► of the usual thing there's a sort of a [TS]

00:45:58 ◼   ► white lie to God and there's fallen dark [TS]

00:46:01 ◼   ► demons and so forth and really quickly [TS]

00:46:04 ◼   ► like wait a minute this is not anywhere [TS]

00:46:05 ◼   ► near that simple [TS]

00:46:06 ◼   ► it's very complicated and you know there [TS]

00:46:09 ◼   ► is redemption and loss and hatred and [TS]

00:46:11 ◼   ► whatever its and things happen that you [TS]

00:46:13 ◼   ► can imagine within the structure the [TS]

00:46:14 ◼   ► university created suddenly happen she [TS]

00:46:16 ◼   ► breaks it open cracked open and reforms [TS]

00:46:19 ◼   ► and it's um I can't believe this is her [TS]

00:46:21 ◼   ► first novel isn't it unbelievable [TS]

00:46:23 ◼   ► beautiful just like a she's like a job [TS]

00:46:27 ◼   ► counselor such a bar because of the [TS]

00:46:29 ◼   ► second one she I mean this equal thing I [TS]

00:46:30 ◼   ► think the second one action some ways [TS]

00:46:32 ◼   ► that even is even better because [TS]

00:46:34 ◼   ► universe already exists and you're [TS]

00:46:36 ◼   ► inside of it instead of having to invent [TS]

00:46:37 ◼   ► the universe and it's not about the [TS]

00:46:40 ◼   ► ruling class i think my second one [TS]

00:46:42 ◼   ► stronger stand down on the question [TS]

00:46:44 ◼   ► first one is first one is that the [TS]

00:46:45 ◼   ► rulers of this of this planet and or [TS]

00:46:48 ◼   ► whatever it is that with all the [TS]

00:46:50 ◼   ► kingdoms and a lot of atoms and the gods [TS]

00:46:52 ◼   ► that the other like a hundred thousand [TS]

00:46:54 ◼   ► of them with but it's I i love the God [TS]

00:46:57 ◼   ► dynamic the fact that the gods there [TS]

00:46:59 ◼   ► were rules about how the gods they were [TS]

00:47:01 ◼   ► they were mad right so is so they were [TS]

00:47:03 ◼   ► going to be capricious they have good [TS]

00:47:05 ◼   ► reason to be they've been sort of bound [TS]

00:47:07 ◼   ► and tied down to earth and now they have [TS]

00:47:08 ◼   ► to follow the you know that created they [TS]

00:47:11 ◼   ► are their parents created the universe [TS]

00:47:13 ◼   ► and yet they have to follow the rules [TS]

00:47:14 ◼   ► the orders of the members of this family [TS]

00:47:17 ◼   ► and and then there's the white God whose [TS]

00:47:21 ◼   ► up in heaven and he is you know not [TS]

00:47:26 ◼   ► doesn't seem to be very nice right i [TS]

00:47:28 ◼   ► mean he won the war [TS]

00:47:30 ◼   ► basically that's what he's got going for [TS]

00:47:32 ◼   ► him and yet and that you know so this [TS]

00:47:35 ◼   ► character comes on and there are the [TS]

00:47:36 ◼   ► I i guess on one level you could view it [TS]

00:47:38 ◼   ► as being very traditional it's outsider [TS]

00:47:40 ◼   ► she doesn't seem like she's important [TS]

00:47:41 ◼   ► turns out she's very important she [TS]

00:47:43 ◼   ► learns all about it that's that same old [TS]

00:47:45 ◼   ► story except the way it's told it just [TS]

00:47:47 ◼   ► didn't feel like that to me it felt much [TS]

00:47:49 ◼   ► more like this was a real voyage of [TS]

00:47:51 ◼   ► discovery because you know it was it was [TS]

00:47:55 ◼   ► not just about her it was about the you [TS]

00:47:57 ◼   ► know how the gods were trying to use her [TS]

00:47:59 ◼   ► and her family was trying to use her and [TS]

00:48:02 ◼   ► so even though all the trappings it does [TS]

00:48:03 ◼   ► have that sort of traditional structure [TS]

00:48:06 ◼   ► just like it'sit's fantasy but it's not [TS]

00:48:08 ◼   ► like any fantasy novel i've ever read [TS]

00:48:10 ◼   ► either [TS]

00:48:11 ◼   ► it also has its the same structures like [TS]

00:48:13 ◼   ► Harry Potter it's not for Star Wars yeah [TS]

00:48:15 ◼   ► but it but it doesn't feel like it [TS]

00:48:17 ◼   ► because there's so much originality to [TS]

00:48:19 ◼   ► it that I never felt like oh yeah I see [TS]

00:48:21 ◼   ► what she's doing here in fact there are [TS]

00:48:23 ◼   ► a couple twists in it that i was really [TS]

00:48:25 ◼   ► surprised it's like oh I didn't know [TS]

00:48:26 ◼   ► that was gonna happen to this character [TS]

00:48:28 ◼   ► that's like so she'd represent something [TS]

00:48:30 ◼   ► different than I think there's a lot of [TS]

00:48:31 ◼   ► Cruelty net which I gotta say is [TS]

00:48:33 ◼   ► actually a not appealing per se but the [TS]

00:48:36 ◼   ► fact that you know the worlds that are [TS]

00:48:38 ◼   ► sort of primitive sort of a fantasy [TS]

00:48:39 ◼   ► world meets like medieval times the [TS]

00:48:41 ◼   ► guild the culture of things and it's the [TS]

00:48:43 ◼   ► fact that it's not sugarcoat it's not [TS]

00:48:45 ◼   ► people going haha I'm an evil person or [TS]

00:48:47 ◼   ► whatever it's just it's the casual [TS]

00:48:49 ◼   ► contempt of the ruling class for the [TS]

00:48:51 ◼   ► peasants and people are miss malformed [TS]

00:48:53 ◼   ► and kill the known and the really [TS]

00:48:54 ◼   ► question he cares because those people [TS]

00:48:55 ◼   ► don't count and I think there's some [TS]

00:48:57 ◼   ► incredible like Ferris million students [TS]

00:49:00 ◼   ► through that well and the other [TS]

00:49:02 ◼   ► corruption of the family has been ruling [TS]

00:49:04 ◼   ► has landed they are they are so corrupt [TS]

00:49:06 ◼   ► and just depraved in so many different [TS]

00:49:10 ◼   ► ways and that's well well done there [TS]

00:49:13 ◼   ► they're quite depraved it is it the [TS]

00:49:15 ◼   ► there but they're not just like single [TS]

00:49:18 ◼   ► note characters they all have depth and [TS]

00:49:21 ◼   ► so they have their you can kind of you [TS]

00:49:23 ◼   ► understand they all have this underlined [TS]

00:49:24 ◼   ► depravity right but they have other [TS]

00:49:26 ◼   ► things that make them interesting [TS]

00:49:28 ◼   ► yes who's your favorite character is my [TS]

00:49:31 ◼   ► question of those of us who read the [TS]

00:49:32 ◼   ► book who is the standout character for [TS]

00:49:34 ◼   ► you can I got one but i'm curious the [TS]

00:49:36 ◼   ► other files i like the the old dying [TS]

00:49:38 ◼   ► leader dude all interesting ok but [TS]

00:49:42 ◼   ► grandfather having really running the [TS]

00:49:44 ◼   ► kingdom try to run the kingdom at all [TS]

00:49:46 ◼   ► comes cried the most interesting [TS]

00:49:49 ◼   ► character is her mother who is never [TS]

00:49:51 ◼   ► seen because she's already dead and but [TS]

00:49:53 ◼   ► she said she sort of plan has plotted [TS]

00:49:55 ◼   ► out the entire thing that's fascinating [TS]

00:49:58 ◼   ► i was i was going to say the the low-key [TS]

00:50:00 ◼   ► like character the the eternally young [TS]

00:50:03 ◼   ► the first time he's the first child of [TS]

00:50:05 ◼   ► the Gods raising the first [TS]

00:50:06 ◼   ► yeah and he and that is I think it's a [TS]

00:50:09 ◼   ► remarkable character because she's able [TS]

00:50:11 ◼   ► to simulate this you know it's it's like [TS]

00:50:13 ◼   ► a doctor who is sort of thing in some [TS]

00:50:14 ◼   ► ways like someone who is simultaneously [TS]

00:50:16 ◼   ► infinitely old billions of years old and [TS]

00:50:18 ◼   ► yet is absolutely child-like in his [TS]

00:50:21 ◼   ► nature right he doesn't just look like a [TS]

00:50:23 ◼   ► child he thinks like a child because he [TS]

00:50:25 ◼   ► wants to be a china in the Sun bit but [TS]

00:50:27 ◼   ► he like wants to communicate with her he [TS]

00:50:29 ◼   ► wants to comfort himself as if she is [TS]

00:50:30 ◼   ► his mother and their spoilers there's a [TS]

00:50:33 ◼   ► mr. won't even say but but and she [TS]

00:50:36 ◼   ► thinks is this a sexual thing is [TS]

00:50:38 ◼   ► whatever and then she takes his army is [TS]

00:50:40 ◼   ► no he is like a child even though he's [TS]

00:50:42 ◼   ► no 4 billion years old or whatever and [TS]

00:50:44 ◼   ► that kind of thing like there's so much [TS]

00:50:46 ◼   ► in so much of what you read this fantasy [TS]

00:50:48 ◼   ► and science fiction is so much binary [TS]

00:50:50 ◼   ► stuff black-and-white lack of subtlety [TS]

00:50:53 ◼   ► and I just thought the book was so [TS]

00:50:54 ◼   ► beautifully shaded throughout even when [TS]

00:50:56 ◼   ► there is some you know dopey things [TS]

00:50:58 ◼   ► instead of the the sister the the [TS]

00:51:00 ◼   ► sisters an error the I guess half-sister [TS]

00:51:03 ◼   ► whatever of the our primary character or [TS]

00:51:07 ◼   ► she is sister i don't even know anyway [TS]

00:51:08 ◼   ► has some husband whenever she's there's [TS]

00:51:11 ◼   ► a set of siblings who are heirs to the [TS]

00:51:13 ◼   ► throne this upstart is brought in as the [TS]

00:51:15 ◼   ► third legitimate one and the sisters [TS]

00:51:17 ◼   ► playing pretty broad strokes but she's [TS]

00:51:19 ◼   ► she's cool and capricious but she sort [TS]

00:51:20 ◼   ► of karela deville and brother is [TS]

00:51:23 ◼   ► completely dissipated they're sort of [TS]

00:51:24 ◼   ► the weakest characters they have to sort [TS]

00:51:25 ◼   ► of fill a role but even with that said I [TS]

00:51:28 ◼   ► mean that's such a minor criticism of [TS]

00:51:29 ◼   ► the overall just gorgeousness of of it [TS]

00:51:32 ◼   ► it's not overwritten either she writes [TS]

00:51:34 ◼   ► beautifully without feeling that you're [TS]

00:51:35 ◼   ► reading something that's supposed to be [TS]

00:51:36 ◼   ► beautiful prose on the Nightlord the [TS]

00:51:39 ◼   ► character of all night Laura right i [TS]

00:51:40 ◼   ► mean that that every security we've [TS]

00:51:42 ◼   ► skipped right over him but it's such a [TS]

00:51:43 ◼   ► great character he's in the daytime he's [TS]

00:51:45 ◼   ► kind of suppressed by the light because [TS]

00:51:47 ◼   ► the what the Sun the Sun is the [TS]

00:51:48 ◼   ► representative of the white God who [TS]

00:51:50 ◼   ► suppressing them but at night he's the [TS]

00:51:52 ◼   ► black God he's the opposition but he's [TS]

00:51:54 ◼   ► bound now he comes you know much more [TS]

00:51:56 ◼   ► powerful at night and has all of these [TS]

00:51:59 ◼   ► you know [TS]

00:52:00 ◼   ► he's not he's not the devil right i mean [TS]

00:52:02 ◼   ► he's he's dangerous and can do horrible [TS]

00:52:07 ◼   ► things but yet you know he's got his own [TS]

00:52:09 ◼   ► perspective too and it's just it is very [TS]

00:52:11 ◼   ► very well done and very evocative and [TS]

00:52:14 ◼   ► and you know the attraction that the the [TS]

00:52:16 ◼   ► protagonist feels for him is not just [TS]

00:52:20 ◼   ► you know it's not like twilight was like [TS]

00:52:21 ◼   ► all vampire boys i love you you're so [TS]

00:52:24 ◼   ► shiny darkens it's it's um it's really [TS]

00:52:28 ◼   ► interesting and really horrible he is [TS]

00:52:31 ◼   ► yeah it's great you know I think there's [TS]

00:52:33 ◼   ► that I'm the notion of that like that [TS]

00:52:35 ◼   ► you know you want to believe you [TS]

00:52:36 ◼   ► York set up to expect this is additional [TS]

00:52:38 ◼   ► light and dark and black and white [TS]

00:52:40 ◼   ► blonde there's like there's a third got [TS]

00:52:41 ◼   ► it was not following me so captain and [TS]

00:52:43 ◼   ► they had this great creative thing the [TS]

00:52:45 ◼   ► universe was created through sort of the [TS]

00:52:47 ◼   ► fights of the white and the Dark Gods [TS]

00:52:50 ◼   ► and the creative forces the third god [TS]

00:52:52 ◼   ► that was woman who comes in a female [TS]

00:52:54 ◼   ► force she's like the mother of all [TS]

00:52:55 ◼   ► living things she's the green energy in [TS]

00:52:58 ◼   ► the world and create the procreative [TS]

00:53:00 ◼   ► energy and it's just AIT's I don't think [TS]

00:53:03 ◼   ► I can't say that I've ever read any [TS]

00:53:06 ◼   ► fantasy or even mythology in which you [TS]

00:53:08 ◼   ► have these roles occupied in this sort [TS]

00:53:11 ◼   ► of distinct interesting way it's it's a [TS]

00:53:13 ◼   ► very it's a great mythology someone [TS]

00:53:14 ◼   ► could make a religion out of this it [TS]

00:53:16 ◼   ► straight and I thought it was [TS]

00:53:17 ◼   ► interesting with the so you know the [TS]

00:53:19 ◼   ► third God wanted to create order and [TS]

00:53:22 ◼   ► bring about life and the other two gods [TS]

00:53:23 ◼   ► were kind of like I don't think we [TS]

00:53:25 ◼   ► really need the head [TS]

00:53:26 ◼   ► we're having so much fun doing all this [TS]

00:53:28 ◼   ► other stuff why should we bother [TS]

00:53:29 ◼   ► yeah we don't want to create life like [TS]

00:53:31 ◼   ► new message no I think we should have it [TS]

00:53:33 ◼   ► i think we should have some life messy [TS]

00:53:35 ◼   ► and unpredictable [TS]

00:53:36 ◼   ► it's a part of the universe's mind and [TS]

00:53:38 ◼   ► i'm going to create life and you're [TS]

00:53:39 ◼   ► gonna have to cope with that and i think [TS]

00:53:41 ◼   ► it's interesting that so the white God [TS]

00:53:43 ◼   ► who is you know kind of distant doesn't [TS]

00:53:46 ◼   ► make it appear until the the end of the [TS]

00:53:48 ◼   ► book and but he influences everything [TS]

00:53:51 ◼   ► and the main character through her [TS]

00:53:55 ◼   ► journey finds out that this God that [TS]

00:53:57 ◼   ► she's worshipped perhaps is not as great [TS]

00:54:00 ◼   ► as you know as pure as a shepherd [TS]

00:54:02 ◼   ► thought but yet she still has this this [TS]

00:54:05 ◼   ► programming a loving him and she she [TS]

00:54:09 ◼   ► finds it very difficult to go against [TS]

00:54:11 ◼   ► him because of [TS]

00:54:12 ◼   ► who her whole culture and her the way [TS]

00:54:14 ◼   ► should have brought up and I thought [TS]

00:54:16 ◼   ► that kind of attention was was done very [TS]

00:54:18 ◼   ► well yeah there's no the harry potter [TS]

00:54:21 ◼   ► ickiness of like why did they have to [TS]

00:54:23 ◼   ► say random weird words to get things to [TS]

00:54:25 ◼   ► happen it's like the universe's ordered [TS]

00:54:27 ◼   ► it makes sense within constraints that [TS]

00:54:28 ◼   ► are don't have to be explained but don't [TS]

00:54:30 ◼   ► seem stupid [TS]

00:54:32 ◼   ► I'm sorry I like Harry Potter but ideal [TS]

00:54:35 ◼   ► campaign Gladish incantation think it's [TS]

00:54:38 ◼   ► me so big thumbs up for the hundred [TS]

00:54:40 ◼   ► thousand can read yeah I'm very [TS]

00:54:42 ◼   ► surprised I you know I I don't want to [TS]

00:54:44 ◼   ► be too much better because obviously i [TS]

00:54:45 ◼   ► did not i read about half of it and i [TS]

00:54:47 ◼   ► will go back to at some point and finish [TS]

00:54:48 ◼   ► it but I was not impressed with the [TS]

00:54:50 ◼   ► first half of this but the next fifty [TS]

00:54:51 ◼   ► thousand really good so tell us and I'd [TS]

00:54:54 ◼   ► forgotten that you you you like like [TS]

00:54:56 ◼   ► Glenn with the Dervish house or a [TS]

00:54:58 ◼   ► partial yeah I i started it and I don't [TS]

00:55:02 ◼   ► know maybe i just read better fantasy [TS]

00:55:03 ◼   ► than you guys earlier in my life I don't [TS]

00:55:06 ◼   ► know they're just fighting words i tend [TS]

00:55:08 ◼   ► to read more stuff that you know is was [TS]

00:55:10 ◼   ► you know more complex as I didn't really [TS]

00:55:12 ◼   ► find much of the stuff in here [TS]

00:55:13 ◼   ► surprising or new or different to me it [TS]

00:55:15 ◼   ► really felt I don't know I felt kinda [TS]

00:55:18 ◼   ► cold to it i didn't even the part where [TS]

00:55:19 ◼   ► we sort of hit that and I hit that twist [TS]

00:55:21 ◼   ► you know where the with the main [TS]

00:55:22 ◼   ► character and sort of when you figure [TS]

00:55:23 ◼   ► out her nature of her and i was like [TS]

00:55:25 ◼   ► okay you know like it didn't really it [TS]

00:55:28 ◼   ► didn't really shocked or surprised me or [TS]

00:55:30 ◼   ► make me revisit that character anyways I [TS]

00:55:32 ◼   ► feel like that's something I've you know [TS]

00:55:33 ◼   ► that's that seems like a device i've [TS]

00:55:34 ◼   ► come across before I mean I I don't [TS]

00:55:37 ◼   ► think it's badly written [TS]

00:55:38 ◼   ► i think i agree that she's she has a [TS]

00:55:40 ◼   ► very you know good command and she's [TS]

00:55:41 ◼   ► setting up this world I just felt very [TS]

00:55:42 ◼   ► cold to it did not really implement any [TS]

00:55:45 ◼   ► any sort of response in me and and i [TS]

00:55:47 ◼   ► found the way I mean I understand the [TS]

00:55:50 ◼   ► rationale for the romantic aspect of it [TS]

00:55:53 ◼   ► but it felt melodramatic to me it felt a [TS]

00:55:56 ◼   ► little overplayed and overwrought and [TS]

00:55:58 ◼   ► and you know maybe again I i will finish [TS]

00:56:01 ◼   ► the book at and I will you know perhaps [TS]

00:56:03 ◼   ► that will change my impression that but [TS]

00:56:04 ◼   ► just speaking from having read the first [TS]

00:56:06 ◼   ► half i just i mean i put it down to read [TS]

00:56:09 ◼   ► because i had to read something I think [TS]

00:56:11 ◼   ► I still because I got embassy sounds [TS]

00:56:12 ◼   ► like a really interesting this and then [TS]

00:56:14 ◼   ► I and then I had not felt a desire to go [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► back to it [TS]

00:56:17 ◼   ► no you know dan you should check out [TS]

00:56:19 ◼   ► feed because I think you like that haha [TS]

00:56:22 ◼   ► wait a second [TS]

00:56:24 ◼   ► you know what's funny i was quite a bit [TS]

00:56:25 ◼   ► of fantasy although I probably not [TS]

00:56:27 ◼   ► sounds like you were deeply right but I [TS]

00:56:28 ◼   ► you know everyone is younger than a ton [TS]

00:56:30 ◼   ► of fantasy and I always felt enough to [TS]

00:56:33 ◼   ► read much less of it as I've got older [TS]

00:56:34 ◼   ► my turn more of sci-fi but I always felt [TS]

00:56:36 ◼   ► there was even the best fantasy I felt [TS]

00:56:39 ◼   ► there was some lot of shallow thinking [TS]

00:56:41 ◼   ► of the universe was created in order to [TS]

00:56:43 ◼   ► make put magic in it as opposed to a [TS]

00:56:44 ◼   ► universe that was created from [TS]

00:56:45 ◼   ► principals in which people function and [TS]

00:56:48 ◼   ► the magic sort of the structure of it [TS]

00:56:50 ◼   ► you know it's like a like this idea for [TS]

00:56:52 ◼   ► how we structure university know there's [TS]

00:56:53 ◼   ► a story that should come first I felt [TS]

00:56:55 ◼   ► here the narrative is very strong and [TS]

00:56:57 ◼   ► the universe sort of was built around it [TS]

00:56:59 ◼   ► and and consistently influenced the [TS]

00:57:03 ◼   ► nature of the story [TS]

00:57:04 ◼   ► no I was really skeptical going into it [TS]

00:57:06 ◼   ► I was like really I you know I i don't [TS]

00:57:09 ◼   ► know i just even when i started reading [TS]

00:57:11 ◼   ► it and it said that was part of a series [TS]

00:57:12 ◼   ► and I thought really if there's more of [TS]

00:57:14 ◼   ► these and it's sort of fantasy and you [TS]

00:57:17 ◼   ► know and within like three chapters I [TS]

00:57:18 ◼   ► was I was like all right this is this is [TS]

00:57:20 ◼   ► good stuff this is I was i buy with body [TS]

00:57:23 ◼   ► and and I don't came at a similar way [TS]

00:57:25 ◼   ► because I just have this prejudice [TS]

00:57:27 ◼   ► against fantasy I guess after reading so [TS]

00:57:29 ◼   ► much bad fantasy when I just assumed [TS]

00:57:31 ◼   ► that this would just be bad fantasy but [TS]

00:57:34 ◼   ► was short so i would read it and I'm [TS]

00:57:36 ◼   ► glad it because it was really good i [TS]