The Incomparable

49: It`s Like "Working Girl" With Monsters


00:00:07   the incomparable podcast [TS]

00:00:11   number 49 [TS]

00:00:15   August 2011 we're back on the [TS]

00:00:19   incomparable podcast I am Jason Snelling [TS]

00:00:22   your host and today we're going to be [TS]

00:00:25   talking about pixar the movie studio [TS]

00:00:29   that is now part of disney has made a [TS]

00:00:32   some fantastic animated features over [TS]

00:00:35   the years in fact some might say they've [TS]

00:00:37   never made a bad feature and then some [TS]

00:00:39   of us haven't seen cars to yet so we [TS]

00:00:43   just don't know [TS]

00:00:44   joining me today to talk about pixar are [TS]

00:00:48   Steve let's hi Steve good day to user [TS]

00:00:51   good day and John siracusa good evening [TS]

00:00:56   good evening John on your other other [TS]

00:01:01   podcast your personal podcast called [TS]

00:01:04   hypercritical i know there was a section [TS]

00:01:06   of that of a previous episode where you [TS]

00:01:08   talked a little bit about about pixar so [TS]

00:01:11   in some ways we're just following up [TS]

00:01:13   from out there like the brother from [TS]

00:01:15   another podcast here that doesn't rhyme [TS]

00:01:17   and it doesn't so seriously i talked [TS]

00:01:20   about pixar sort of having this kind of [TS]

00:01:22   legend of having never made a bad movie [TS]

00:01:25   and I believe cars 2 is the lowest [TS]

00:01:27   scoring on the on the tomatometer at [TS]

00:01:31   last check i think it was a 30 / seven [TS]

00:01:32   thirty-seven percent positive score [TS]

00:01:35   which is pretty bad i haven't seen it [TS]

00:01:37   that seems almost like backlash low to [TS]

00:01:39   me i mean i have not seen cars to yet [TS]

00:01:41   but my wife and kids went outside and [TS]

00:01:44   they all seem to enjoy it and am i [TS]

00:01:47   strong suspicion is that the reason that [TS]

00:01:48   they get down to 3735 on on the [TS]

00:01:51   tomatometer is that critics have been [TS]

00:01:53   sitting around just waiting for a lesson [TS]

00:01:55   subline pixar film finally they could [TS]

00:01:58   take a tragedy and the backlash begins [TS]

00:02:02   yes so grand form up until curse to [TS]

00:02:05   which is in which is in debate you know [TS]

00:02:07   that that's the 12th feature by pixar [TS]

00:02:10   the first 11 almost universally liked so [TS]

00:02:15   I thought rather than taking a stroll [TS]

00:02:17   from from toy story in 1995 through [TS]

00:02:20   courage to we would do something a [TS]

00:02:23   little bit more free form and kind of [TS]

00:02:26   alternate among the three of us and and [TS]

00:02:28   pick out some movies that we [TS]

00:02:29   particularly liked or disliked from [TS]

00:02:32   Pixar and talk about them in turn [TS]

00:02:35   so with that I think we'll start with [TS]

00:02:38   Steve let's do you have a particular [TS]

00:02:40   favorite pixar film that you'd like to [TS]

00:02:42   talk about first [TS]

00:02:43   well for me at the moment is a tie and [TS]

00:02:46   it is only a time because i just watched [TS]

00:02:49   up for the first time two nights ago and [TS]

00:02:53   very quickly that became perhaps my [TS]

00:02:57   favorite pixar films without you the [TS]

00:02:59   first pic and me pixar film draft is is [TS]

00:03:02   up in the yes that's that would be [TS]

00:03:05   except i'm i'm still not certain that it [TS]

00:03:07   quite matches the incredibles for me [TS]

00:03:09   which would be Mike my other pic want to [TS]

00:03:13   go with up just a spoiler alert somebody [TS]

00:03:17   else will pick the incredibles so how I [TS]

00:03:20   figured I figured that would probably [TS]

00:03:22   happen that the reason I'm not sure at [TS]

00:03:25   this point is because I the the [TS]

00:03:27   afterglow has yet to fade on up which I [TS]

00:03:29   thought was frankly just magnificent [TS]

00:03:30   from stem to stern that you know that's [TS]

00:03:34   the movie that's famous for the fact [TS]

00:03:37   that it has that long dialogue less [TS]

00:03:40   scene between the husband and the wife [TS]

00:03:43   that [TS]

00:03:44   yeah essentially makes everybody turns [TS]

00:03:46   everybody into just weeping minis well [TS]

00:03:52   yeah and the first thing yeah it's it's [TS]

00:03:53   roughly the first 11 minutes of the film [TS]

00:03:55   and it chronicles a young Carl [TS]

00:03:58   frederickson's early meeting with his [TS]

00:04:01   future wife and then of course it you [TS]

00:04:03   know we see various snippets of their [TS]

00:04:06   their married life and and then the the [TS]

00:04:09   end of the line for the wife and and [TS]

00:04:13   then we of course see Carl and alone and [TS]

00:04:17   and sad holding the blue balloon that he [TS]

00:04:19   previously had in his youth and they're [TS]

00:04:22   just all these lovely parallels from his [TS]

00:04:24   youth to to the 22 the the [TS]

00:04:28   september-october years and for [TS]

00:04:31   shadowing alert by the way involving a [TS]

00:04:32   balloon [TS]

00:04:33   I've been in a way the pathos of that [TS]

00:04:36   scene is just so perfect me to hit the [TS]

00:04:38   notes so so perfectly [TS]

00:04:41   you know between the bits where you know [TS]

00:04:44   we discovered they can't have children [TS]

00:04:45   and then they keep going back to this [TS]

00:04:46   dream they have of being at Paradise [TS]

00:04:48   Falls and it is they're all these little [TS]

00:04:50   details like there's a scene where I [TS]

00:04:54   think Carly's leaving for the day to go [TS]

00:04:56   to work and and there's a newspaper [TS]

00:05:00   clipping in the window that says like [TS]

00:05:01   local zoo employee rescues endangered [TS]

00:05:05   species or something and it's about it's [TS]

00:05:07   about the wife but it's it's just this [TS]

00:05:10   tiny little detail that you never it [TS]

00:05:12   never comes up again but you know it's [TS]

00:05:13   just it's one of those things that just [TS]

00:05:15   makes the thing works so perfectly so a [TS]

00:05:17   lot of people when i talk about they're [TS]

00:05:19   like oh that's a movie that makes you [TS]

00:05:20   cry and in fact it's totally true that's [TS]

00:05:22   the movie that starts out with the story [TS]

00:05:24   of their life and it makes you cry but [TS]

00:05:25   then it turns into actually kind of a [TS]

00:05:27   zany retro adventure story you're right [TS]

00:05:31   and it's an interesting contrast because [TS]

00:05:32   some of the humor and in pixar films can [TS]

00:05:36   be more subtle whereas in up the humor [TS]

00:05:40   is almost all this very broad physical [TS]

00:05:42   comedy and and wackiness talking dogs [TS]

00:05:45   such and talking dogs and it's it's such [TS]

00:05:47   a stark contrast to the the emotional [TS]

00:05:50   sections of the segments of the film and [TS]

00:05:52   there's another obviously that first 11 [TS]

00:05:54   minutes and then again towards the end [TS]

00:05:55   of the film [TS]

00:05:56   Carl kind of has come to Jesus moment [TS]

00:05:58   where you know he breaks out of his [TS]

00:06:00   depression about his wife and decides to [TS]

00:06:02   have new adventures and and that those [TS]

00:06:05   are kind of book ends and then in the [TS]

00:06:06   middle there's just all this you know [TS]

00:06:07   whacky bird and dog shenanigans and and [TS]

00:06:14   a whole bunch of stuff that requires [TS]

00:06:16   vast suspension of disbelief I'm is kind [TS]

00:06:18   of weird just juxtaposition and i'm not [TS]

00:06:21   sure how I'm going to feel about it in a [TS]

00:06:23   week or two after I've thought a little [TS]

00:06:25   bit longer about you know about the film [TS]

00:06:28   and I'm also not sure that that that [TS]

00:06:31   it's a film that I'm gonna want to [TS]

00:06:32   revisit a lot just because so much of [TS]

00:06:35   what's good about it is is the emotional [TS]

00:06:38   and the emotional moments and the kind [TS]

00:06:41   of pathos and in and sadness and where [TS]

00:06:46   it whereas incredible you know you go [TS]

00:06:47   you come for the the great action scenes [TS]

00:06:50   and the the kind of cool fairly suddenly [TS]

00:06:53   done message [TS]

00:06:54   with up your therefore the emotions and [TS]

00:06:56   i'm not just not sure that that's [TS]

00:06:57   something I'm gonna watch over and over [TS]

00:06:59   again you know now I it's interesting [TS]

00:07:02   because it's so notable and it is so [TS]

00:07:03   touching but I watched it again after [TS]

00:07:06   probably a year or so having not seen it [TS]

00:07:09   and was actually surprised because i was [TS]

00:07:12   reminded oh yes after that happens [TS]

00:07:14   there's a whole movie that's kind of got [TS]

00:07:16   this wacky adventure with the talking [TS]

00:07:18   dog which is you know there's a pretty [TS]

00:07:20   funny bit no crazy giant bird and and [TS]

00:07:22   it's actually pretty good but you lose [TS]

00:07:25   I think you lose sight of it because of [TS]

00:07:27   that of that scene in the beginning and [TS]

00:07:29   just how notable it is and just how sad [TS]

00:07:32   it is that it's really easy it's what [TS]

00:07:34   kind of hard to get past it to the rest [TS]

00:07:35   of the movie even though the rest of the [TS]

00:07:36   movie is good and it's good to their [TS]

00:07:38   just you know it's like the look the [TS]

00:07:40   cloud thats hanging over the beginning [TS]

00:07:42   of the movie and it's hard to remember [TS]

00:07:44   anything else about it [TS]

00:07:45   yeah i definitely agree with that i mean [TS]

00:07:47   it's it it and I think a lot of its just [TS]

00:07:49   because that that emotional stuff is [TS]

00:07:51   just so superbly done i think you'd be [TS]

00:07:54   hard-pressed to to match it and and I i [TS]

00:07:58   will be surprised if pixar ever does [TS]

00:08:00   match that level of emotional resonance [TS]

00:08:02   in in any of their films although sense [TS]

00:08:05   probably about I think toy story 2 was [TS]

00:08:07   really where they started always [TS]

00:08:09   inserting something that would depress [TS]

00:08:11   the hell out of here [TS]

00:08:12   oh yeah everything and they're they're [TS]

00:08:16   excellent at it I'm sorry too and toys [TS]

00:08:18   story three both have moments that are [TS]

00:08:19   that are very much in the same vein but [TS]

00:08:22   i think that was probably the pinnacle [TS]

00:08:24   of tha the tear-jerking moments and i [TS]

00:08:26   find it hard to believe they'll ever [TS]

00:08:27   deliver match that pinnacle also it is [TS]

00:08:29   it's so well done in up they didn't need [TS]

00:08:31   to use a Sarah McLachlan song to do it [TS]

00:08:35   right for randy newman and sarah [TS]

00:08:37   mclachlan right that they didn't need to [TS]

00:08:38   squeeze it out of that way they just got [TS]

00:08:40   Michael chiquinho and i read an [TS]

00:08:43   interview with him where he basically [TS]

00:08:44   said that he felt like don't hit the [TS]

00:08:46   pressure for the movie to succeed was [TS]

00:08:47   entirely on him because he has for that [TS]

00:08:50   entire thing and if he didn't do it [TS]

00:08:52   right the whole movie doesn't come off [TS]

00:08:54   so but yet and it's amazing [TS]

00:08:56   yes it's marvelous and it's something [TS]

00:08:59   that you don't notice the first time [TS]

00:09:00   through me you you notice it's this nice [TS]

00:09:03   sort of catchy toe-tapping score but but [TS]

00:09:06   that actually [TS]

00:09:07   since since i'm a sucker for the model [TS]

00:09:09   and I got after seeing the first 11 [TS]

00:09:11   minutes i went back and revisited it [TS]

00:09:12   twice before you finish the rest of the [TS]

00:09:14   film because i was so impressed by it [TS]

00:09:16   and not on subsequent watches that the [TS]

00:09:19   thing that really came to the fore was [TS]

00:09:21   held brilliant that score was and how [TS]

00:09:22   how unobtrusive it is and yet how much [TS]

00:09:27   it really really adds you know without [TS]

00:09:30   getting in the way that BS 2 @ [TS]

00:09:32   excellently done work [TS]

00:09:34   yeah one of my favorite things about up [TS]

00:09:39   is that it references one of my favorite [TS]

00:09:42   books when I was a kid which is the [TS]

00:09:45   little house by Virginia Lee Burton [TS]

00:09:47   which is the story of a house that's out [TS]

00:09:50   in the countryside and it's built in the [TS]

00:09:53   past out in the countryside and then [TS]

00:09:54   over time the city comes out throws up [TS]

00:09:58   around it and that it ends up in between [TS]

00:10:00   two skyscrapers and and at the end of [TS]

00:10:03   the legs very sad and it's all boarded [TS]

00:10:05   up and then and then they they they pick [TS]

00:10:07   it up and move it back out into the [TS]

00:10:08   country and me and they refurbishments a [TS]

00:10:11   it's really actually had a touching kind [TS]

00:10:14   of somewhat model and story he had and [TS]

00:10:17   it's directly referencing up because the [TS]

00:10:19   same thing happens to his house and then [TS]

00:10:21   his house flies away out of the middle [TS]

00:10:24   of the city where it where it ended up [TS]

00:10:25   I'm so i really love that about that you [TS]

00:10:28   know can't be anything but a reference [TS]

00:10:30   to the little house and it's great i i i [TS]

00:10:32   remember that book now that you mention [TS]

00:10:34   it but somehow didn't come to mind spent [TS]

00:10:35   so long since I've seen it yeah that's [TS]

00:10:37   that's very cool [TS]

00:10:38   I John any thoughts about up before we [TS]

00:10:40   move on and I do actually i was taking [TS]

00:10:45   some notes while you're talking about [TS]

00:10:46   the opening sequence one of the things [TS]

00:10:49   that comes to mind is whenever a Pixar [TS]

00:10:51   movie I think about what Pixar is doing [TS]

00:10:54   that's that's different than what you [TS]

00:10:57   can do in a live-action movie because [TS]

00:10:59   pics are really is defined by at not so [TS]

00:11:02   much technology but the animation says [TS]

00:11:04   their animation on the studio and a lot [TS]

00:11:06   of the positive reaction i think for [TS]

00:11:09   Pixar is a there you know all this an [TS]

00:11:11   animated movie and older generation send [TS]

00:11:14   to dismiss them as frivolous or kids [TS]

00:11:16   movies but pixar doesn't accept those [TS]

00:11:18   limits and we'll try to do things [TS]

00:11:20   that regular movies do it just happens [TS]

00:11:23   to be with animation and I think in the [TS]

00:11:24   case of up and an opening sequence they [TS]

00:11:27   do with Pixar does a lot which is [TS]

00:11:29   something that's actually harder to do [TS]

00:11:31   in live action and what [TS]

00:11:33   but this was actually talking about a [TS]

00:11:34   little one up was a being reviewed in [TS]

00:11:38   the mainstream media was like oh here's [TS]

00:11:41   a here's a movie that has an old person [TS]

00:11:45   as a main character and you don't see [TS]

00:11:46   that so much in live-action movies and [TS]

00:11:50   especially not in kids live action [TS]

00:11:51   movies there's an old person in a kids [TS]

00:11:53   movie [TS]

00:11:54   it's like the scary old man who lives [TS]

00:11:56   next door or the grumpy grand par [TS]

00:11:58   whatever but the kid is clearly you know [TS]

00:12:00   they always have it any sort of young [TS]

00:12:01   adult or child thing as a kid of a [TS]

00:12:03   comparably just as the clear main [TS]

00:12:05   character and the adults are in the [TS]

00:12:06   background or its cocoon and it's all of [TS]

00:12:09   the above [TS]

00:12:10   yeah right and it at that and that [TS]

00:12:12   that's actually one of the better [TS]

00:12:13   examples of open and it was it was [TS]

00:12:15   hailed at the time i think is as being a [TS]

00:12:17   shocker because it featured old people [TS]

00:12:19   so yeah I think that's the only with [TS]

00:12:20   time before up that I can think of one [TS]

00:12:23   that was true except maybe for the [TS]

00:12:25   grumpy old men of the world which were [TS]

00:12:27   which were more lampooning the old [TS]

00:12:29   philately if if you think about Kuno or [TS]

00:12:32   cocoon or I don't think of another [TS]

00:12:34   example is a couple of other ones out [TS]

00:12:36   there where the theme of the movie is [TS]

00:12:40   old people versus this movie where the [TS]

00:12:43   theme is not old people [TS]

00:12:44   the theme is you know there are other [TS]

00:12:46   themes been one of the characters [TS]

00:12:48   happens to be an old person yes he has a [TS]

00:12:49   loss but he could have just as easily [TS]

00:12:50   been younger and has lost his wife at an [TS]

00:12:53   earlier age and not be no like it's not [TS]

00:12:54   about being old rice cocoon is so [TS]

00:12:56   central on your you're getting to the [TS]

00:12:58   point where you're going to die you're [TS]

00:12:59   with a bunch of old people you know so [TS]

00:13:01   so this was a different in and respect [TS]

00:13:04   that it happened to be an old person [TS]

00:13:05   starts like a movie starring a gay [TS]

00:13:07   person versus a movie about being gay [TS]

00:13:10   you know what I mean when I crossing [TS]

00:13:12   that threshold and put them but the main [TS]

00:13:13   thing that struck me is that if you try [TS]

00:13:15   to do that opening sequence in [TS]

00:13:16   live-action show the same thing show a [TS]

00:13:18   little kid he meets the girl grew up [TS]

00:13:19   there they're married they get older [TS]

00:13:21   they're a nice you know that just do the [TS]

00:13:23   whole thing shop for shopping with [TS]

00:13:24   actual old people and then have that old [TS]

00:13:26   person be in the movie throughout the [TS]

00:13:28   rest of the thing I think it's harder to [TS]

00:13:30   make [TS]

00:13:31   a movie with an older person that [TS]

00:13:34   audiences and especially children will [TS]

00:13:36   relate to in the same way simply because [TS]

00:13:38   old people are not as attractive as [TS]

00:13:40   young people and when you see old people [TS]

00:13:42   in a in a live-action movie they always [TS]

00:13:45   want to show you the old person is the [TS]

00:13:47   framing device and step your back to [TS]

00:13:48   when he was brad pitt and the most of [TS]

00:13:50   the movies with the old guys brad pitt [TS]

00:13:51   and you're looking like all that all guy [TS]

00:13:53   used to be Brad Pitt but you spend most [TS]

00:13:55   of your movie yeah it would you spend [TS]

00:13:56   most of your movie looking at brad pitt [TS]

00:13:58   and yet you related back to the person [TS]

00:14:00   but they don't have the bravery to have [TS]

00:14:01   you know the guy jumping off blimps [TS]

00:14:03   flying planes you know rescuing the kid [TS]

00:14:06   like no one wants to see that old guy [TS]

00:14:08   but in animation you can show an old [TS]

00:14:11   person is also cute and adorable like [TS]

00:14:13   but if you look at his face they [TS]

00:14:14   basically smooth out the wrinkles he's [TS]

00:14:16   not he doesn't look so much like an [TS]

00:14:17   actual person that it reminds us of our [TS]

00:14:19   own mortality or is is unattractive [TS]

00:14:21   whatever he fits in as a character in [TS]

00:14:23   animation looks a little like the heat [TS]

00:14:25   miser now that i think about it [TS]

00:14:26   yeah a lot you know I claymation or [TS]

00:14:28   smart and he's really a caricature of an [TS]

00:14:30   old person but it's it's somehow not is [TS]

00:14:32   off-putting seen as an actual old person [TS]

00:14:35   on film and I don't always thought that [TS]

00:14:36   was interesting because I thought I [TS]

00:14:37   think you did this opening scene with [TS]

00:14:39   live-action it wouldn't work as well it [TS]

00:14:41   will be more difficult to get it to work [TS]

00:14:42   for that same reason that you know [TS]

00:14:44   people think it's gonna be like ages 20 [TS]

00:14:46   people are always just a fact of life [TS]

00:14:47   you know that we can less attractive as [TS]

00:14:50   we get older you know that whatever you [TS]

00:14:52   want to say about old men being [TS]

00:14:53   distinguished or whatever it's just not [TS]

00:14:55   the same as looking at Brad Pitt but [TS]

00:14:57   when you look at Carl he's he looks just [TS]

00:14:59   fine because he's an animated character [TS]

00:15:00   you know right and I certainly couldn't [TS]

00:15:03   do this the scenes where in live-action [TS]

00:15:05   where Carl is jumping off a blimp or [TS]

00:15:08   dragging the house on his own you know [TS]

00:15:10   you wouldn't believe it because he had [TS]

00:15:11   such as awful as it is but because it's [TS]

00:15:13   animated you can just about forgiving [TS]

00:15:15   you know you also have the the technical [TS]

00:15:17   issues of showing somebody at various [TS]

00:15:19   ages means you have to cast people who [TS]

00:15:21   sort of look like them at various ages [TS]

00:15:22   right yeah which is continuity you can [TS]

00:15:24   just totally blow past that and I it's [TS]

00:15:28   funny though that you say he you know [TS]

00:15:30   usually they're there the grumpy old man [TS]

00:15:32   of the scary neighbor in many ways [TS]

00:15:33   that's exactly what this movie is [TS]

00:15:35   playing against is that he is the grumpy [TS]

00:15:37   old man who's the scary neighbor but [TS]

00:15:39   that makes to explain why right and it's [TS]

00:15:42   from his viewpoint and not from the [TS]

00:15:43   viewpoint of the kid even they have [TS]

00:15:45   ask the kids which is really great slip [TS]

00:15:48   yeah the kid comes to his door [TS]

00:15:49   we don't follow the kid and then that up [TS]

00:15:51   seeing the kid growing up for the grumpy [TS]

00:15:52   old man how something scary's the other [TS]

00:15:54   way around we are with the old man we [TS]

00:15:55   have been able to pick it and then the [TS]

00:15:57   kid comes to the door he's the is the [TS]

00:15:59   intruder or the scary one of the strange [TS]

00:16:01   thing I kind of disagree that it's not [TS]

00:16:03   about being old [TS]

00:16:04   I mean it's less about being old [TS]

00:16:06   certainly than cocoon a grumpy old man [TS]

00:16:08   or something that's that's more or less [TS]

00:16:09   exclusively about being old but it in a [TS]

00:16:14   way I think it's exactly about being all [TS]

00:16:15   that mean where we have the the whole [TS]

00:16:17   sequence where r posteli passing away [TS]

00:16:20   he's coming down the stairs slowly and [TS]

00:16:22   grumpily in his chair and he's he's [TS]

00:16:25   doing all these very stereotypically old [TS]

00:16:27   things it's it's it's almost his the [TS]

00:16:30   whole journey is almost his discovery [TS]

00:16:31   that being old doesn't mean you have to [TS]

00:16:33   be a grumpy crusty old bastard you know [TS]

00:16:36   what the John's point it could also be [TS]

00:16:38   about getting over Los right i mean but [TS]

00:16:41   you could you could say that he was [TS]

00:16:44   younger and lost his wife and I decided [TS]

00:16:45   to close themselves off from the world [TS]

00:16:48   maybe it's more resonant because he's [TS]

00:16:50   old because rather people close [TS]

00:16:51   themselves off from the world all the [TS]

00:16:53   time but it could have you know they [TS]

00:16:54   could have told that story and have him [TS]

00:16:56   be young and closed off as like you've [TS]

00:16:58   got something to live for right could [TS]

00:17:00   still be the message but it i think it's [TS]

00:17:03   intensified by the fact that he did you [TS]

00:17:05   know he's old and he could have every [TS]

00:17:07   reason to just give up and stop living [TS]

00:17:10   more than a winner would it's not so [TS]

00:17:13   much about his mortality that's exactly [TS]

00:17:14   what i was going to say is that if he [TS]

00:17:15   was if he was 14 lost his wife you tell [TS]

00:17:17   the exact same story he's not a he isn't [TS]

00:17:20   mortality is not looming over and he's [TS]

00:17:22   like he's now I call the end of my road [TS]

00:17:23   is coming he's lost the will to live [TS]

00:17:26   because he lost his wife and that same [TS]

00:17:27   exact thing would happen if they were 50 [TS]

00:17:29   because he feels that he didn't get to [TS]

00:17:31   do all the things you wanted to do with [TS]

00:17:33   his wife when she was alive and that [TS]

00:17:34   would have been true no matter when she [TS]

00:17:36   died they cut out that scene at the end [TS]

00:17:38   of the at the end of the musical montage [TS]

00:17:40   where he wears doctor tells him he has [TS]

00:17:42   six months to live [TS]

00:17:43   just totally change the movie but it's [TS]

00:17:46   your prostate Carl yeah and and there's [TS]

00:17:49   naughty i mean again cooling the whole [TS]

00:17:50   thing is like it you can do things now [TS]

00:17:52   that you couldn't do when you're old and [TS]

00:17:53   obviously this movie is not bound by [TS]

00:17:54   that at all he goes off those crazy [TS]

00:17:56   things [TS]

00:17:57   one more point up even though we will [TS]

00:17:59   soon talk about inevitably an actual [TS]

00:18:01   pg-rated movie I thought up had the most [TS]

00:18:03   PG or possibly pg-13 moment in any Pixar [TS]

00:18:07   movie i can either one of you guess [TS]

00:18:10   which moment i'm going to site now [TS]

00:18:12   hmm so so maybe this was just me anyway [TS]

00:18:16   it was a short moment but I it jumped [TS]

00:18:21   out at me as even more out of place not [TS]

00:18:24   not so much out of place but he even [TS]

00:18:26   more jarring in the opening sequence is [TS]

00:18:28   where he clocks the galleria and is his [TS]

00:18:29   forehead bleeds [TS]

00:18:30   yeah exactly so it's a moment of adult [TS]

00:18:33   anger you know displaced anger but still [TS]

00:18:35   anger at someone who isn't an enemy and [TS]

00:18:38   you know sort of the same way with you [TS]

00:18:40   get angry you realize that what must you [TS]

00:18:42   become injuring someone who is not like [TS]

00:18:44   odo like it's not comical cartoon [TS]

00:18:47   violence is actual violence and they [TS]

00:18:49   show blood so I mean even if they didn't [TS]

00:18:51   show blood I feel like you never see [TS]

00:18:54   that kind of non-superhero non cartoon [TS]

00:18:57   against an innocent person by the [TS]

00:18:59   protagonist who is angry for no good [TS]

00:19:01   reason you know displaced anger from [TS]

00:19:02   other issues hurting somebody and then [TS]

00:19:05   the blood on top of it that right i eat [TS]

00:19:08   the movie is rated G but that moment [TS]

00:19:10   like cheese this is gonna be so you come [TS]

00:19:12   off that that montage we like our kids [TS]

00:19:14   don't understand because they haven't [TS]

00:19:15   lived a life they don't understand that [TS]

00:19:17   the deep you know emotional impact of [TS]

00:19:18   this segment about living a life with [TS]

00:19:20   someone haven't I blah blah but [TS]

00:19:22   certainly the understand hurting someone [TS]

00:19:24   even if they understand that it wasn't [TS]

00:19:26   you know that they understand this guy [TS]

00:19:27   is not an enemy or not a comical enemy [TS]

00:19:29   and and our hero they were with hurt [TS]

00:19:32   this person out of anger that really [TS]

00:19:34   stood out to me it is intense and in the [TS]

00:19:36   first thing that I thought when I saw [TS]

00:19:37   that was was wow he drew blood with a [TS]

00:19:40   tennis ball he must really like him [TS]

00:19:43   I mean he must have really been pissed [TS]

00:19:45   so you're right i think that's that's [TS]

00:19:47   what you think it's it handles in my [TS]

00:19:49   serious rage really whacked him so like [TS]

00:19:53   I've been trying to decide you know this [TS]

00:19:55   ended up a couple times like does that [TS]

00:19:57   does that add to the movie or is that a [TS]

00:19:59   place i think i still think it adds to [TS]

00:20:01   the movie because if we ever do a [TS]

00:20:03   podcast about children's movies I'll [TS]

00:20:04   probably talk about the fact that it [TS]

00:20:06   children's movies you want to have [TS]

00:20:07   something in them that challenges [TS]

00:20:10   children [TS]

00:20:11   and emotionally just a little bit you [TS]

00:20:13   know that sort of how they grow you [TS]

00:20:14   don't want to be overwhelming but you [TS]

00:20:16   want to be a little something so i think [TS]

00:20:18   the opening scene was probably mostly [TS]

00:20:19   lost on in very young children who [TS]

00:20:21   aren't that empathetic and don't [TS]

00:20:23   understand you know the adult lives in [TS]

00:20:25   relationships but i think especially the [TS]

00:20:28   little spark of blood that you get their [TS]

00:20:30   kids know about you know when the red [TS]

00:20:33   stuff comes out as a bad and and the the [TS]

00:20:36   scene is not played for laughs and it's [TS]

00:20:38   not cartoon violence and it's over very [TS]

00:20:40   quickly move on quickly under the next [TS]

00:20:42   thing of this guy that you're following [TS]

00:20:43   I think that moment adds the movie [TS]

00:20:46   doesn't take away I'm and it's good that [TS]

00:20:48   they didn't you know it's good that it's [TS]

00:20:50   a short moment but i'm very glad that [TS]

00:20:51   there no I definitely think it adds both [TS]

00:20:54   for that reason and because it's it [TS]

00:20:56   really speaks in a very simple way to to [TS]

00:20:59   just exactly how depressed and and lost [TS]

00:21:03   Carl is without Elly that he would he [TS]

00:21:06   would go to that because all we've seen [TS]

00:21:08   up to that point is just shots of them [TS]

00:21:10   being happy-go-lucky and you know [TS]

00:21:13   picking up on the hill and and the [TS]

00:21:15   juxtaposition of him you know flying [TS]

00:21:17   into a rage and cracking the guy over [TS]

00:21:18   the skull with his cane is it really [TS]

00:21:20   strong [TS]

00:21:21   not to mention of course you need you [TS]

00:21:22   need something to get him to to be in [TS]

00:21:24   fear for his house in order to move the [TS]

00:21:26   story forward but yeah I think that's [TS]

00:21:27   definitely a positive and that's all so [TS]

00:21:30   much better than I mean they did a [TS]

00:21:32   stereotypical things to the [TS]

00:21:33   stereotypical things are going away Kid [TS]

00:21:35   I'm grumpy because my you know [TS]

00:21:36   expressing is our clothes off in the [TS]

00:21:39   world i don't like kids are happy things [TS]

00:21:40   Bob that's the stereotypical thing but [TS]

00:21:42   the more realistic manifestation is him [TS]

00:21:44   doing crazy out-of-character things you [TS]

00:21:47   know in terms of getting violent which [TS]

00:21:48   is not something that you would have [TS]

00:21:49   done his normal life and as much it's [TS]

00:21:53   much stronger statement that him just [TS]

00:21:55   being grumpy around kids because you've [TS]

00:21:57   seen so many old people be grumpy around [TS]

00:21:58   kids you always know all you know he's [TS]

00:22:00   really a nice guy at heart of this [TS]

00:22:01   here's here's someone doing something [TS]

00:22:02   it's unflattering that someone something [TS]

00:22:05   that you wouldn't want someone else it's [TS]

00:22:06   not endearing or adorable people [TS]

00:22:08   grumpiness type stuff you know i'm just [TS]

00:22:11   going to say that when we started this [TS]

00:22:13   podcast i had some concern whether we [TS]

00:22:15   would be able to fill an entire podcast [TS]

00:22:17   talking about pixar and it turns out we [TS]

00:22:19   could fill half a podcast talking about [TS]

00:22:21   one Pixar movie [TS]

00:22:22   we could probably go the rest of the way [TS]

00:22:25   without but we should probably move on [TS]

00:22:27   yeah I mean I think it's great make it [TS]

00:22:29   shows the depth of these of these films [TS]

00:22:32   that we could devote that much time to [TS]

00:22:33   it let's move on to johns johns pick in [TS]

00:22:36   this pixar draft I i assume John that [TS]

00:22:39   you are you come to speak a little more [TS]

00:22:41   about the incredibles yes it's my [TS]

00:22:44   favorite is your favorite too and is its [TS]

00:22:47   everybody's favorite i believe i said in [TS]

00:22:49   our superhero movie podcast it's my [TS]

00:22:51   favorite superhero movie period so yeah [TS]

00:22:54   yeah I don't know I'd have to think [TS]

00:22:56   about that more to make a decision but [TS]

00:22:57   it's it's my clear favorite Pixar movie [TS]

00:23:00   and I didn't think that after i saw it [TS]

00:23:02   like what I guess I was a bigger fan of [TS]

00:23:04   for example Toy Story 2 or or you know I [TS]

00:23:08   maybe finding nemo like it when i saw [TS]

00:23:12   that Michael is another good Pixar movie [TS]

00:23:13   but over time it has grown to overshadow [TS]

00:23:16   all the other pixar movies [TS]

00:23:18   perhaps as I've seen each one of them [TS]

00:23:19   eight million times as my children [TS]

00:23:21   watching them it gives me a pretty solid [TS]

00:23:24   view of the the the repertoire Pixar and [TS]

00:23:29   incredible stands above them I was [TS]

00:23:30   trying to think of the reasons why I the [TS]

00:23:33   first thing is that i think it is it [TS]

00:23:35   still the only PG rated one I think so [TS]

00:23:37   it was the was the first PG rated and [TS]

00:23:39   despite the pd moment we just talked [TS]

00:23:41   about from up the fact that it's PG [TS]

00:23:43   rated gives it a leg up when you're [TS]

00:23:45   asking an adult which is your favorite [TS]

00:23:47   movie because you are constrained by [TS]

00:23:50   rated g movies and sentiment song i [TS]

00:23:52   really do like Reggie movies on my [TS]

00:23:54   favorite movies ever rated movies will [TS]

00:23:55   talk about in the kids podcast I'm sure [TS]

00:23:57   someday [TS]

00:23:58   yes but being PG freeze you a little bit [TS]

00:24:02   and that the next thing is that it's a [TS]

00:24:05   superhero movie and I like superhero [TS]

00:24:07   movies and so and that's a topic that PG [TS]

00:24:10   rating lends itself to zero just a [TS]

00:24:11   little bit less constrained about you [TS]

00:24:13   know on the things that superheroes tend [TS]

00:24:15   to do i and all the reasons you like a [TS]

00:24:18   superhero movie and also Pixar is not [TS]

00:24:22   doing a straight-up super they never [TS]

00:24:24   almost never do anything straight up [TS]

00:24:25   whenever Pixar's doing anything it's [TS]

00:24:27   always possible is the animation angle [TS]

00:24:29   you always expect was going to Pixar [TS]

00:24:30   movie about X they're going to [TS]

00:24:33   examine the absurdities of exorbitant [TS]

00:24:35   all monsters inc the whole movie is [TS]

00:24:37   about your monsters of scary things [TS]

00:24:38   monsters in your closet but they have an [TS]

00:24:39   absurd angle on the monsters where it's [TS]

00:24:41   their job and stuff like that and and [TS]

00:24:42   toys you know it's gonna be lots of in [TS]

00:24:44   jokes about toys and stuff like that [TS]

00:24:45   well superheros they're not gonna do [TS]

00:24:48   Batman Begins animated or anything even [TS]

00:24:51   close to that or even just you know [TS]

00:24:52   Superman one animated version it's not [TS]

00:24:54   going to be a superhero story it's going [TS]

00:24:55   to do all the little in jokes and [TS]

00:24:58   references and funny absurd things about [TS]

00:25:00   superheroes but the great thing about [TS]

00:25:03   incredibles visible is also in its own [TS]

00:25:05   right as Jason pointed out a great [TS]

00:25:07   superhero movie while also making fun of [TS]

00:25:09   Superman that balances incredibly hard [TS]

00:25:11   because you don't want to be like the [TS]

00:25:12   greatest american hero or some other you [TS]

00:25:14   know scary movie type parody of a [TS]

00:25:16   superhero movie because that I mean I [TS]

00:25:18   guess you can do that but it's not pixar [TS]

00:25:19   style it has a both ways it gets to poke [TS]

00:25:22   fun at superheroes and the the [TS]

00:25:24   conventions of superheroes while also [TS]

00:25:26   conforming to the mall and using them to [TS]

00:25:28   make a great superhero movie i'm and and [TS]

00:25:31   on top of that it's kind of a unique [TS]

00:25:32   take on superhero store it's not they [TS]

00:25:34   they decided to have their own twist you [TS]

00:25:36   know they have their own rules about I [TS]

00:25:37   guess that's kind of a Malcolm [TS]

00:25:38   everything is out there but you know the [TS]

00:25:39   no capes angle the heroes who were loved [TS]

00:25:43   by society than shunned by them as kind [TS]

00:25:45   of a watchman angle like no capes was to [TS]

00:25:47   actually yeah it kind of the launch of [TS]

00:25:49   existing superhero things all push [TS]

00:25:53   together but it is kind of unique like [TS]

00:25:54   when I think about the superhero [TS]

00:25:56   universe is like and I can clearly [TS]

00:25:57   picture you know superman's universe and [TS]

00:25:59   Batman's universe [TS]

00:26:00   well I don't know what their pc rebooted [TS]

00:26:02   anyway it's a but what I can picture the [TS]

00:26:05   incredible universe [TS]

00:26:06   they've made their own thing even if it [TS]

00:26:08   is a derivative arm and the other thing [TS]

00:26:13   in its favor is that [TS]

00:26:16   it speaks to suburban white males with [TS]

00:26:19   families so obviously if you got a bunch [TS]

00:26:21   of suburban white males with families [TS]

00:26:22   together who like superheroes and like [TS]

00:26:24   superhero movies not have a movie where [TS]

00:26:26   the main character has a family and he's [TS]

00:26:29   got all this type of things that you [TS]

00:26:31   know it's it's a such a clear map of [TS]

00:26:33   like when you're older and thinking back [TS]

00:26:35   to your younger days now you have [TS]

00:26:36   responsibilities and your job as I'm [TS]

00:26:38   feeling it's a slam-dunk I'm just like [TS]

00:26:40   everything matic front for geeks like us [TS]

00:26:42   to remove and execute on all of them so [TS]

00:26:46   well I cannot speak for yourself and I [TS]

00:26:49   you pretty much got me pegged [TS]

00:26:51   yeah and and you know everything about [TS]

00:26:54   it like the message is not drilled into [TS]

00:26:57   you it's suddenly you know like I don't [TS]

00:26:59   know maybe they could come outside a [TS]

00:27:00   little bit like yeah that that's the [TS]

00:27:02   best thing for that for the incredibles [TS]

00:27:04   for me by far just piping in for a [TS]

00:27:06   second is is the fact that the message [TS]

00:27:08   is so strong and yet so subtle [TS]

00:27:11   yeah they don't bang your head with it [TS]

00:27:14   like for example the the second half of [TS]

00:27:16   Wally where it's just you know too [TS]

00:27:17   heavy-handed I pixar as hit-or-miss on [TS]

00:27:21   on the message from this one it's weave [TS]

00:27:23   through the the great thing about it is [TS]

00:27:24   that it's in such a great superhero [TS]

00:27:26   movie the messages we've throughout the [TS]

00:27:27   story it is not delivered by exposition [TS]

00:27:30   or tacked onto another story about good [TS]

00:27:32   guys versus bad guys it is the story the [TS]

00:27:35   story is you know it's so nicely [TS]

00:27:37   intertwined and it has some of my [TS]

00:27:39   favorite scenes I think we've talked [TS]

00:27:40   about in past podcast were just send up [TS]

00:27:43   some things like the i think i said this [TS]

00:27:45   for my favorite scene in the entire [TS]

00:27:47   movies when he arrives on the island [TS]

00:27:48   with the sort of James Bond type since [TS]

00:27:50   arriving in the autopilot thing that [TS]

00:27:52   stands up against any actual James Bond [TS]

00:27:54   sequence that it's that it's you know [TS]

00:27:56   playing off of yes it's just so so [TS]

00:27:59   amazing that he wanted parity is that [TS]

00:28:03   things that transcends the things that [TS]

00:28:04   it's parodying I this I just love this [TS]

00:28:07   movie I can cannot say enough good [TS]

00:28:09   things about it [TS]

00:28:10   yeah I one thing about a lot of these [TS]

00:28:12   pixar movies is that they take something [TS]

00:28:13   that is a you know they've got the kind [TS]

00:28:15   of adult thing that's of interest to [TS]

00:28:16   adults and then they've got the stuff [TS]

00:28:18   the kids like and I think in some ways [TS]

00:28:19   this is the best example of that because [TS]

00:28:22   the kids really don't get the midlife [TS]

00:28:25   crisis thing they just a and they just [TS]

00:28:28   don't get it at all it is so far [TS]

00:28:30   outside of the realm of your kid even [TS]

00:28:31   beginning to understand it I think [TS]

00:28:33   and yet that is a big part of it but it [TS]

00:28:36   doesn't detract because from the kids [TS]

00:28:37   perspective you know my kids are much [TS]

00:28:39   more focused on on dash and file it and [TS]

00:28:41   and syndrome and what he's gonna be [TS]

00:28:43   doing and then talking about you know [TS]

00:28:48   the fact that bob has got a sketchy new [TS]

00:28:50   car and this is is working out and isn't [TS]

00:28:53   saying to his wife where he's a where [TS]

00:28:55   he's going every day but that that plays [TS]

00:28:57   a apart and then the overarching theme [TS]

00:29:00   on top of everything else is really [TS]

00:29:01   about kind of daring to be during to be [TS]

00:29:05   exceptional and not fitting in with the [TS]

00:29:07   crowd and you know that thats not only [TS]

00:29:09   it well done but it's such a great [TS]

00:29:11   message to have in a movie so that yes I [TS]

00:29:15   get it checked checks all the boxes for [TS]

00:29:17   me to which of course it does [TS]

00:29:19   yeah they didn't want my favorite [TS]

00:29:21   speaking of things that kids don't like [TS]

00:29:23   to my favorite little sections of the [TS]

00:29:24   movie that I guess you have to I guess [TS]

00:29:26   is more even I just family but marriage [TS]

00:29:28   angle haha the one scene where he's he's [TS]

00:29:30   on the phone with the secret agent type [TS]

00:29:32   thing in his wife is calling him before [TS]

00:29:33   she calling for dinner or something like [TS]

00:29:34   that right and the other one wife is [TS]

00:29:37   nobody calling me something be right [TS]

00:29:40   there be right there and the other one [TS]

00:29:42   with the that the wife is vacuuming by [TS]

00:29:44   herself in the house something that [TS]

00:29:45   stuck in the rollers everything that's [TS]

00:29:47   just it they the images of what actual [TS]

00:29:51   suburban married life is like and even [TS]

00:29:53   just even just the often thing like what [TS]

00:29:56   that their voices name Frozone screaming [TS]

00:30:00   where his super suit advice and she [TS]

00:30:01   won't tell him we're interested why do [TS]

00:30:03   you want to know just tell me where it [TS]

00:30:04   is that is those type of little tiny [TS]

00:30:08   moments that you know it [TS]

00:30:10   that's not what the movie is about but [TS]

00:30:12   it's just it rings so true and brings [TS]

00:30:14   you so much into this universe that [TS]

00:30:15   you're willing to buy all of the the [TS]

00:30:17   other stuff and you talk about the kids [TS]

00:30:19   being excited superhero parts in the [TS]

00:30:21   kids with the kids are not the main [TS]

00:30:23   characters in the movie by a long shot [TS]

00:30:24   and get kids will watch it and think the [TS]

00:30:27   kids are the main characters like it's [TS]

00:30:28   you know i mean it's it's such a it's [TS]

00:30:31   like three different movies in one [TS]

00:30:32   depending on who's watching it's [TS]

00:30:34   interesting i think of all the pixar [TS]

00:30:36   films that my kids have seen that's [TS]

00:30:37   probably the one that their least [TS]

00:30:39   interested in it just doesn't really it [TS]

00:30:41   just hasn't really grabbed him and I [TS]

00:30:42   think part of it is because [TS]

00:30:43   as I that's probably the darkest of the [TS]

00:30:47   pixar films in terms of you actually get [TS]

00:30:52   a sense that there's a possibility that [TS]

00:30:54   these characters might die and part of [TS]

00:30:55   that's why I probably because they're [TS]

00:30:56   human know what suppose it is it will [TS]

00:30:59   but it's rated PG and and there is that [TS]

00:31:00   moment that is I think I think in some [TS]

00:31:03   ways the best moment in the movie even [TS]

00:31:04   though it's just dialogue it's where [TS]

00:31:07   we're at last girl where Holly Hunter [TS]

00:31:11   tells the kids you know those Saturday [TS]

00:31:14   morning cartoons right [TS]

00:31:16   these people aren't like that if they [TS]

00:31:18   find you they will kill you should i go [TS]

00:31:20   mike lombardi right but what that is [TS]

00:31:22   it's so it really sets the stakes higher [TS]

00:31:25   and and so it is darker but at the same [TS]

00:31:29   time I a I i guess maybe this is a lot [TS]

00:31:31   of what John said earlier so you gotta [TS]

00:31:33   their ways where you need to push the [TS]

00:31:35   story and and challenge even the kids [TS]

00:31:37   when they're watching it i love that [TS]

00:31:39   moment and every time I i watch it with [TS]

00:31:41   my kids I look at them while they're [TS]

00:31:42   while they're watching it because that's [TS]

00:31:44   the moment where you know it inject some [TS]

00:31:46   real jeopardy [TS]

00:31:48   that wasn't there before and it works [TS]

00:31:51   but it is it is dark and it is a little [TS]

00:31:53   scary [TS]

00:31:54   then they have that I the most accurate [TS]

00:31:58   visual manifestation of the the mental [TS]

00:32:02   state of parenting after the jet [TS]

00:32:03   explodes when elastigirl wraps her [TS]

00:32:07   entire body around her two children to [TS]

00:32:09   save them from the exploding plane which [TS]

00:32:11   is the thing that every parent wishes [TS]

00:32:12   they could do but can actually do [TS]

00:32:14   because it's impossible that you can you [TS]

00:32:15   could physically envelop your children [TS]

00:32:17   and save them from explosion you know [TS]

00:32:19   what I mean like that that one little [TS]

00:32:21   scene there it's it's a superhero seen [TS]

00:32:23   it's ridiculous and has no bearing on [TS]

00:32:25   reality with the same time if you are a [TS]

00:32:28   parent and you watch that you're like [TS]

00:32:29   yes that's what I would do if I got it [TS]

00:32:32   you know i mean thats the in fact that [TS]

00:32:33   scene is the one that gets my wife to [TS]

00:32:34   tear up as the is where she with the [TS]

00:32:36   she's a trying to save her kids on the [TS]

00:32:38   plane and then she has to wrap around [TS]

00:32:40   them when the when the plane explodes [TS]

00:32:42   it's because of the emotional weight [TS]

00:32:44   that it carries at 44 parents were [TS]

00:32:46   people understand parenting whereas the [TS]

00:32:48   kids angle yeah like you said the [TS]

00:32:49   previous one they got the speech about [TS]

00:32:51   that these people will kill you you know [TS]

00:32:53   so in something for everybody and not [TS]

00:32:55   not buying anything over there but [TS]

00:32:57   right now it's great what can we say if [TS]

00:33:02   you don't like the incredibles there's [TS]

00:33:04   something wrong with you which would you [TS]

00:33:05   call it incredible [TS]

00:33:07   IES yes it would be just a recursive [TS]

00:33:11   incredible incredible incredibles this [TS]

00:33:14   forever about it if you don't like the [TS]

00:33:15   incredibles you you can't be my friend [TS]

00:33:17   anymore [TS]

00:33:18   that's just what it comes down to yes [TS]

00:33:20   there's so my wife and I were talking [TS]

00:33:26   about this before i started recording [TS]

00:33:28   and I said I don't know what I'm gonna [TS]

00:33:30   do because after after the incredibles [TS]

00:33:33   there are a couple that may befall next [TS]

00:33:38   in line and one of one of them would be [TS]

00:33:39   toy story 2 but you know I think rather [TS]

00:33:44   than pick one of the toy stories in this [TS]

00:33:46   round I'm gonna go with monsters inc [TS]

00:33:50   very nice which it's a parenting thing [TS]

00:33:55   is it's it may be but it's early it you [TS]

00:33:59   know their fourth movie it it's got some [TS]

00:34:01   really interesting it's kind of [TS]

00:34:04   interesting look um you know the furry [TS]

00:34:08   monsters and all of that I love the [TS]

00:34:10   conceit that the doors are you know I [TS]

00:34:14   basically like teleportation devices and [TS]

00:34:17   it and they explore that conceit to its [TS]

00:34:22   absolute limit in a way that it could [TS]

00:34:24   have been very easy for it to just be a [TS]

00:34:26   one sort of thing well it's a portal but [TS]

00:34:28   it's like the doors and the doors go to [TS]

00:34:30   different places and you can fall [TS]

00:34:31   through in the action scene at the end [TS]

00:34:33   they're falling through doors into other [TS]

00:34:35   places and then back outdoors and you [TS]

00:34:37   know they're 90 degree angles where [TS]

00:34:38   gravity shifts as they fall through the [TS]

00:34:40   door its portal it is it is porthole [TS]

00:34:44   right but it's also kind of a play on [TS]

00:34:46   that classic hallway scene that used to [TS]

00:34:47   get in the wacky comedies and nobody [TS]

00:34:49   nowhere in the ring guy with yeah [TS]

00:34:51   exactly i would disappear into a door on [TS]

00:34:53   the left and then reappear in the [TS]

00:34:54   foreground on the right [TS]

00:34:55   yeah so this is very cool so there's all [TS]

00:34:57   of that there's what what you we [TS]

00:35:00   mentioned earlier which is there's just [TS]

00:35:01   that nice pics are flip on it which is [TS]

00:35:03   that that monsters are just as scared of [TS]

00:35:05   the kids the kids are scared of the [TS]

00:35:06   monsters monsters are just trying to do [TS]

00:35:09   their jobs [TS]

00:35:10   that I like there's the variations on [TS]

00:35:12   the monster kind of body types and these [TS]

00:35:14   characters that you couldn't do in any [TS]

00:35:16   other way but an animation where there's [TS]

00:35:18   like you know the Billy Crystal's [TS]

00:35:21   character mike is is is an eye with legs [TS]

00:35:24   and then John Goodman's characters the [TS]

00:35:26   big furry guy who's a big furry monster [TS]

00:35:28   and it yet when you look at like the way [TS]

00:35:30   he's colored in his his colored kind of [TS]

00:35:32   interesting multicolored for with spots [TS]

00:35:34   you know at first glance in silhouette [TS]

00:35:37   and the darkies scary but in the light [TS]

00:35:39   of day he's not scary at all and then [TS]

00:35:41   the whole mental level of us kids are [TS]

00:35:43   afraid of what's under the bed and [TS]

00:35:44   what's in the closet and and yet you [TS]

00:35:48   know we once you get to know that once [TS]

00:35:50   you take a little look further they're [TS]

00:35:51   just like you know the rest of us the [TS]

00:35:53   monsters are people too [TS]

00:35:55   I can assist is it is what the messages [TS]

00:35:59   it's um you know it's a charming movie [TS]

00:36:01   even now all these years later I there's [TS]

00:36:05   just so many things that I like about [TS]

00:36:06   that movie including the fact that it's [TS]

00:36:08   got that emotional residents that Pixar [TS]

00:36:10   is always good at and it's got some [TS]

00:36:11   great action and you know the end of [TS]

00:36:14   that movie where he's a piece the door [TS]

00:36:17   back together so that so we can go and [TS]

00:36:20   Cebu the little girl one last time you [TS]

00:36:24   know if we're talking about just me i'm [TS]

00:36:25   just imagining it seems that getcha it [TS]

00:36:27   in my top five picks are T reducing [TS]

00:36:30   moments that you know that's pretty high [TS]

00:36:32   up on the list so you know monsters you [TS]

00:36:37   know [TS]

00:36:37   yeah is it a better movie then then Toy [TS]

00:36:41   Story 2 or toy story 3 or finding nemo I [TS]

00:36:44   don't know it's so hard for me to pick [TS]

00:36:47   but they're things in it that I I [TS]

00:36:49   thought I still just look at really [TS]

00:36:51   fondly it and you know the the door [TS]

00:36:55   concede i think pushes it over the top [TS]

00:36:57   because they they use it in every they [TS]

00:37:00   squeeze every possible thing you could [TS]

00:37:02   squeeze out of a concept out of it which [TS]

00:37:04   when I was watching it I thought for the [TS]

00:37:06   first time I thought well what about [TS]

00:37:08   this what about this [TS]

00:37:09   well they're not going to deal with its [TS]

00:37:10   just to get a get them through the door [TS]

00:37:12   to the Otherworld it's like The Lion the [TS]

00:37:13   Witch and the Wardrobe there's a portal [TS]

00:37:15   and you go through it and that's it [TS]

00:37:16   oh no no we're going to explore every [TS]

00:37:19   single thing this could mean if there [TS]

00:37:20   were doors that were portals so [TS]

00:37:23   that's not one of the things that I like [TS]

00:37:25   about monsters egg and and I actually [TS]

00:37:27   probably would have gone with you on [TS]

00:37:29   that without being my third-favorite [TS]

00:37:30   although largely it was Pete's [TS]

00:37:32   specifically because of the whole scene [TS]

00:37:35   at the end there which actually I was [TS]

00:37:37   choking up with you talking about it [TS]

00:37:38   just now but I it's really the first of [TS]

00:37:42   the pixar films where they could be [TS]

00:37:43   completely liberated from from any kind [TS]

00:37:46   of realistic constraints mean the toys [TS]

00:37:49   you know its toys but of course they're [TS]

00:37:51   they're living inside of Andy's house so [TS]

00:37:54   you know there's there's some kind of a [TS]

00:37:55   real-world constraint put on what the [TS]

00:37:57   toys can reasonably do you know bugs are [TS]

00:38:00   bugs and they can only do bug things and [TS]

00:38:02   they can do some cool things they can he [TS]

00:38:04   get the cool perspective of the city [TS]

00:38:07   that's constructed of empty popcorn [TS]

00:38:09   boxes and so forth but monsters inc i [TS]

00:38:12   think is really the first film where [TS]

00:38:13   they were able to to put together a [TS]

00:38:15   completely unrealistic a cityscape they [TS]

00:38:21   were constrained at all by the the [TS]

00:38:23   character designs as you mentioned every [TS]

00:38:24   monster is different i think they really [TS]

00:38:27   for the first time we're able to [TS]

00:38:28   completely go hog-wild and it with their [TS]

00:38:31   imaginations and just come up with the [TS]

00:38:33   craziest things they could and I think [TS]

00:38:34   they did a bang-up job on that it also [TS]

00:38:37   monsters inc i think has probably my [TS]

00:38:39   favorite pixar running gag in the form [TS]

00:38:41   of George Sanderson who is the victim [TS]

00:38:45   the unwitting dupe who invariably gets [TS]

00:38:49   gets it sanitized every time [TS]

00:38:51   all right from the from the human and [TS]

00:38:53   rock thrown on him right he gets the [TS]

00:38:55   sock on him he gets shaved down i think [TS]

00:38:58   two or three times it's it's it's a [TS]

00:39:00   great sequence it's it's a would [TS]

00:39:02   certainly one of my favorites in terms [TS]

00:39:05   of just just pure humor in a running gag [TS]

00:39:08   form i think be at vita the adult angle [TS]

00:39:10   in this movie which I hadn't thought of [TS]

00:39:12   enjoyed it see it again recently is the [TS]

00:39:15   blue-collar factory work the fact that [TS]

00:39:17   the monsters are going to work in a [TS]

00:39:19   factory and have a boss and have [TS]

00:39:21   hierarchy within work and have either [TS]

00:39:23   you know satisfaction with their job or [TS]

00:39:25   you know where how is their working life [TS]

00:39:28   going something again the kids probably [TS]

00:39:30   can't relate to but any adult who has [TS]

00:39:31   ever had a job can relate to that [TS]

00:39:33   workplace like atmosphere atmosphere and [TS]

00:39:36   and their livelihood is threatened to [TS]

00:39:38   write that like the underpinnings of the [TS]

00:39:40   industry areas in economic threat that [TS]

00:39:44   unemployment is the threat and economics [TS]

00:39:46   unemployment and energy policy and that [TS]

00:39:47   you know it's just there it's in the [TS]

00:39:49   background apartments for the adults so [TS]

00:39:51   we can relate to this insane world with [TS]

00:39:54   ridiculous creatures because they're [TS]

00:39:55   just you know they're collecting a check [TS]

00:39:57   and punching and punching out just what [TS]

00:39:59   you got in a conflict with the primary [TS]

00:40:01   villain is is primarily a a climbing up [TS]

00:40:04   the corporate ladder cut a deal [TS]

00:40:06   yeah so you get a 2 it's like working [TS]

00:40:08   girl with monsters it no it's like [TS]

00:40:12   working girl haha wow I don't know what [TS]

00:40:20   I mean I don't even know Melanie [TS]

00:40:22   Griffith this lovely lady [TS]

00:40:23   yes yes yeah I everything is a billy [TS]

00:40:26   crystal at was cuz i don't know if he [TS]

00:40:29   was wasted in this movie I think he was [TS]

00:40:30   good in this movie but i think it was [TS]

00:40:33   early in Pixar's development that if [TS]

00:40:36   affects our had Billy Crystal now or if [TS]

00:40:38   they had billy crystal lattice prime now [TS]

00:40:40   they could do even more with him he [TS]

00:40:42   carry entire movie himself because he [TS]

00:40:44   does sort of overshadow John Goodman and [TS]

00:40:46   he does it in that I would compare it to [TS]

00:40:49   this is the light side the dark side is [TS]

00:40:52   robin williams in Aladdin right where I [TS]

00:40:55   he's talented but he overwhelms the [TS]

00:40:57   whole movie is about Robin Williams [TS]

00:40:58   Billy Crystal plays a character here you [TS]

00:41:00   know it's like crystal any he adds all [TS]

00:41:02   the value he can but he doesn't dominate [TS]

00:41:04   the movie or do so i think it's probably [TS]

00:41:06   mostly just has to do with the writing [TS]

00:41:07   but i would say this is a a good example [TS]

00:41:10   of of Robin Williams and an Aladdin and [TS]

00:41:13   the crystal i really think could carry [TS]

00:41:15   one of these movies himself without the [TS]

00:41:17   John Goodman in angle i was actually [TS]

00:41:21   going to say that billy crystal is [TS]

00:41:22   probably the the worst part of the film [TS]

00:41:24   for me just because you know is [TS]

00:41:25   distracting [TS]

00:41:26   no he his it works for that because he's [TS]

00:41:30   got great lines and he delivers them [TS]

00:41:32   well but at the same time he's just [TS]

00:41:34   being Billy Crystal mean I don't I [TS]

00:41:37   there's not enough of the difference [TS]

00:41:38   between the character and the way [TS]

00:41:40   delivered his lines and the way Billy [TS]

00:41:42   Crystal just generally delivers his [TS]

00:41:43   stand-up lines and what what that does [TS]

00:41:47   to me is it brings it dangerously close [TS]

00:41:49   to the realm of the door [TS]

00:41:50   more film where you know you've got a [TS]

00:41:51   guy that's just allowed to drift in the [TS]

00:41:53   same style that he always he always does [TS]

00:41:55   in stand-up or is his other acting gigs [TS]

00:41:58   or whatever that's Robin Williams in the [TS]

00:42:00   Latin problem to exactly intelligent [TS]

00:42:02   drives me up the wall but i think it [TS]

00:42:04   avoids that because he has an actual [TS]

00:42:05   character arc he has he's not just the [TS]

00:42:07   wisecracking sidekick he has his own [TS]

00:42:09   problems and his own things that he's [TS]

00:42:12   trying to get done he's not just there [TS]

00:42:13   to serve the needs of John Goodman he's [TS]

00:42:15   not just there to advance the plot he [TS]

00:42:16   has his girlfriend he has his own [TS]

00:42:18   concerns about his working life and [TS]

00:42:20   their relationship and eat [TS]

00:42:23   he's actually I mean I guess you could [TS]

00:42:25   say he was not so much reprising his [TS]

00:42:27   stand-up as like it's the guy from one [TS]

00:42:30   errant salad because he has relationship [TS]

00:42:32   issues and he's funny and wise cracking [TS]

00:42:33   I maybe you could you could fault them [TS]

00:42:35   for that it to me though it's like [TS]

00:42:37   watching Billy Crystal with a character [TS]

00:42:38   arc and 1i instead of watching a [TS]

00:42:40   character with the character arc and [TS]

00:42:42   Billy Crystal is also here here's the [TS]

00:42:44   litmus test did you like one argument [TS]

00:42:45   Sally I did yeah I one of my favorite [TS]

00:42:49   movies of all time are actually just [TS]

00:42:51   making sure you're not just anti Billy [TS]

00:42:53   Graham and I like city slickers to in [TS]

00:42:54   which he plays Billy Crystal with a hat [TS]

00:42:56   are as taking it too far but that said [TS]

00:42:58   John there are parts of when harry met [TS]

00:43:01   sally where it's very clearly just Billy [TS]

00:43:03   Crystal doing his stand up and they've [TS]

00:43:05   stuck it in the movie right but he's a [TS]

00:43:07   likable it is very likely never again if [TS]

00:43:09   I had billy crystal in my movie i would [TS]

00:43:11   say Billy whatever just go right just [TS]

00:43:14   make your jokes and we'll leave them in [TS]

00:43:16   because they're funny the Oscar hosting [TS]

00:43:18   thing want to see how him [TS]

00:43:19   we'll fix it at least he was doing his [TS]

00:43:21   stand up but his kids him as a person [TS]

00:43:24   you can imagine him in real life doing [TS]

00:43:26   that stick to because it's not his [TS]

00:43:28   stand-up is not alien to his personality [TS]

00:43:30   he's just like that and you know if he [TS]

00:43:32   was in a store picking up a pickle or [TS]

00:43:34   something he would do a little skit [TS]

00:43:35   about the pickle that he didn't write [TS]

00:43:37   beforehand was just the way he is you [TS]

00:43:38   know I want to see I want to see [TS]

00:43:42   pictures of next movie be a remake of [TS]

00:43:44   when harry met sally where billy crystal [TS]

00:43:47   is a giant green eyeball there you'll [TS]

00:43:49   finally get your pg-13 scene might even [TS]

00:43:52   put you two in our bball have with the [TS]

00:43:54   pink monster is having I I'm kind of [TS]

00:43:58   disappointed that they cancel new [TS]

00:43:59   because it had you heard the plot [TS]

00:44:01   synopsis of Newt [TS]

00:44:02   I yes that is that a like a lab test low [TS]

00:44:07   animal who's paired with a with the last [TS]

00:44:11   surviving animal in the world and it's a [TS]

00:44:13   romantic comedy [TS]

00:44:14   yes basically like romantic comedy with [TS]

00:44:16   lizards and I would have been [TS]

00:44:17   interesting to see pics are do that [TS]

00:44:19   because the Lizardman lab angle would [TS]

00:44:22   have been good for you know skewering [TS]

00:44:24   scientific experiments and all those [TS]

00:44:25   types of things whatever but it's hard [TS]

00:44:27   it would be a romantic comedy and i [TS]

00:44:29   think that i would like to see a pixar [TS]

00:44:30   romantic comedy this is jon was a [TS]

00:44:32   have-not they have in mind yet [TS]

00:44:34   yeah that would be its kind of ashamed i [TS]

00:44:36   got can but I don't know Wally for the [TS]

00:44:39   first the first the first act of Wally [TS]

00:44:42   could arguably be considered a romantic [TS]

00:44:44   comedy [TS]

00:44:44   yeah kind of in the night goes off the [TS]

00:44:46   rails I i think i think that's true it [TS]

00:44:48   you could you could argue well it's it's [TS]

00:44:49   a Wally is in you know is a romance in a [TS]

00:44:52   way that the other pixar movies aren't I [TS]

00:44:57   i want something you mentioned when you [TS]

00:44:58   mentioned problems in the lab and i want [TS]

00:45:00   to mention here that and you mentioned [TS]

00:45:02   DreamWorks one of the things that i love [TS]

00:45:04   about pixar movies and that I think is a [TS]

00:45:07   grievous mistake of the dreamworks [TS]

00:45:10   movies is uh pixar movies exist in a [TS]

00:45:14   timeless world their movies that are [TS]

00:45:16   designed a journalism professor who [TS]

00:45:20   worked at the New York Daily News and he [TS]

00:45:21   always said that the Daily News was [TS]

00:45:22   meant to be read by people living in New [TS]

00:45:24   York and that the New York Times was [TS]

00:45:25   meant to be used in reference library is [TS]

00:45:28   so that 20 years time people could find [TS]

00:45:30   out what life was like back then and [TS]

00:45:32   that's our sort of how I feel about [TS]

00:45:33   Pixar's like Pixar they build it to be [TS]

00:45:36   timeless they build it to be something [TS]

00:45:38   that you can watch with your kids in 20 [TS]

00:45:40   years 30 years whereas you know I showed [TS]

00:45:43   my kids aladdin and it's like yeah he's [TS]

00:45:45   doing like William F Buckley references [TS]

00:45:48   and it's just all Dangerfield so dated [TS]

00:45:51   and and pixar seems to be kind of [TS]

00:45:54   brutally tough about just know we're not [TS]

00:45:57   going to do things that are going to be [TS]

00:45:59   non classic kind of references and I [TS]

00:46:02   love that about them because the end of [TS]

00:46:04   the shrek movies are not gonna they're [TS]

00:46:06   not going to age well at all rights [TS]

00:46:08   they're all about current popular [TS]

00:46:11   culture references and I think it's a [TS]

00:46:12   exact think it's a huge mistake to go [TS]

00:46:14   down that route [TS]

00:46:15   when you should I think pictures got it [TS]

00:46:17   exactly right which is you can't do that [TS]

00:46:19   you can't you gotta be timeless because [TS]

00:46:21   these are cute these are you're trying [TS]

00:46:23   to make a classic kids movie right [TS]

00:46:25   the last thing you want to do when [TS]

00:46:26   you're trying to make a classic kids [TS]

00:46:28   movie is make it so that nobody will [TS]

00:46:29   understand the references in 15 years [TS]

00:46:32   it's not so much that they age poorly [TS]

00:46:35   which they do but that it's a lazy way [TS]

00:46:38   to write even in the moment when they're [TS]

00:46:40   relevant they're not as funny as a [TS]

00:46:42   genuinely funny written jokes sequence [TS]

00:46:45   voters are relying on the the [TS]

00:46:47   familiarity with this thing to get you [TS]

00:46:49   out of having to write an actual gag [TS]

00:46:51   which is just lazy [TS]

00:46:52   it's lazy it can be funny but it is lazy [TS]

00:46:55   and it completely sabotages I think the [TS]

00:46:57   long life of your film and but you're [TS]

00:46:59   right it it's classier it's it's it's [TS]

00:47:02   better to go for the true joke [TS]

00:47:05   instead of the kind of topical reference [TS]

00:47:08   and pics are just doesn't do that and [TS]

00:47:10   it's particularly bad in some of the [TS]

00:47:11   cases you mentioned like a publicly [TS]

00:47:14   reference was dated 20 years before how [TS]

00:47:16   ya lad never came out and I actually [TS]

00:47:19   quite enjoyed shrek but i think is I was [TS]

00:47:21   watching shrek I could smell the [TS]

00:47:23   freshness date coming up like within the [TS]

00:47:25   next two weeks for half the jokes in the [TS]

00:47:26   movie [TS]

00:47:27   yeah i was thinking that this is some of [TS]

00:47:29   these jokes are tired and we're tired [TS]

00:47:30   decades it goes to the soundtracks to [TS]

00:47:32   right i mean fa the Pixar has a [TS]

00:47:36   smashmouth has no place in a classic [TS]

00:47:38   films are exactly right that that that [TS]

00:47:40   that is what i was getting gap good well [TS]

00:47:42   well put it is that you want their [TS]

00:47:45   pictures really careful the center which [TS]

00:47:46   is not to say that they haven't done [TS]

00:47:48   some popular music there's some popular [TS]

00:47:49   music and cars but it's it you know they [TS]

00:47:52   have carefully chosen and not like let's [TS]

00:47:55   get a hit from the last three years it's [TS]

00:47:56   like let's get songs about cars and [TS]

00:47:59   we'll have you know have remade in a [TS]

00:48:00   certain style and you know it with the [TS]

00:48:04   or they or they compose their own music [TS]

00:48:06   ready to get randy newman or somebody [TS]

00:48:07   else to write a song in the style they [TS]

00:48:09   want about their a topic and you know we [TS]

00:48:13   can quibble about randy newman because a [TS]

00:48:14   lot of people feel like every brand new [TS]

00:48:16   man song sounds the same [TS]

00:48:17   not everyone just half of them but you [TS]

00:48:20   know when their son by sarah mclachlan [TS]

00:48:21   strange that's right but pics are you [TS]

00:48:24   know again goes that extra mile to be [TS]

00:48:26   timeless and classic and it it [TS]

00:48:29   you know absolutely pays off compared to [TS]

00:48:31   that that's why they are above the other [TS]

00:48:34   movies if this is not to say that there [TS]

00:48:35   are some other good animated and [TS]

00:48:37   computer animated features that have [TS]

00:48:38   been made sense toy story came out there [TS]

00:48:41   there are I I will defend you know [TS]

00:48:43   several of them but you know that's [TS]

00:48:46   usually a huge failing of them is [TS]

00:48:48   they're they're kind of cheap a pop [TS]

00:48:51   culture reference humor instead of [TS]

00:48:53   trying to go for something that's going [TS]

00:48:54   to stand the test of time like animated [TS]

00:48:56   scary movie [TS]

00:48:58   yeah exactly would be good for live [TS]

00:49:00   action word world the only movies that [TS]

00:49:03   dare to do that are the scary movies you [TS]

00:49:05   never see like and even just a [TS]

00:49:06   run-of-the-mill well it's like the [TS]

00:49:08   bottom of the barrel like it [TS]

00:49:10   live-action movie seemed much more [TS]

00:49:11   reticent to do the pop culture reference [TS]

00:49:13   i guess because those people have more [TS]

00:49:14   experience or the writers or you know [TS]

00:49:17   the rewriters just know you gotta cut [TS]

00:49:18   that out but in an animated movie like [TS]

00:49:20   yeah you want to make reference that go [TS]

00:49:21   ahead but my actually they do it because [TS]

00:49:23   they can get away with it [TS]

00:49:25   I mean they did they know their audience [TS]

00:49:26   and and in the case of the scary movie [TS]

00:49:29   films the first was actually pretty [TS]

00:49:31   decent and then they've they've followed [TS]

00:49:33   on with just the same stuff repeated [TS]

00:49:35   over and over again and that the pop [TS]

00:49:37   culture references get shorter timed and [TS]

00:49:40   less amusing right go on their made to [TS]

00:49:41   be doing what is this point they've got [TS]

00:49:43   exactly and they've got an audience [TS]

00:49:44   that's happy to absorb that and and and [TS]

00:49:47   eat the disposable film and get a kick [TS]

00:49:48   out of it and toss it away and i think [TS]

00:49:51   the the DreamWorks hooks think their [TS]

00:49:53   audiences unsophisticated and they [TS]

00:49:55   pander to them basically right right [TS]

00:49:58   where they are they there they know that [TS]

00:50:00   they can get away with being lazy and [TS]

00:50:01   writing crap and they think that their [TS]

00:50:03   audiences that won't catch it because [TS]

00:50:05   they're kids and they're not supposed to [TS]

00:50:07   get enough i guess is where i was trying [TS]

00:50:10   to go with that for the last five and a [TS]

00:50:11   half men all our listeners uh who work [TS]

00:50:13   at DreamWorks have now heard their ipod [TS]

00:50:16   out of their car and run over a few [TS]

00:50:18   times and our unsubscribe that they've [TS]

00:50:20   they've greatly improved have to say [TS]

00:50:22   DreamWorks says yeah since since the [TS]

00:50:24   early shrek days they'd certainly don't [TS]

00:50:27   do that as much as they used to [TS]

00:50:28   megamind dreamworks and I thought that [TS]

00:50:30   was actually a really good movie with [TS]

00:50:32   but but I think they've learned some [TS]

00:50:33   lessons right or at least they they that [TS]

00:50:36   movie in particular is not as a [TS]

00:50:39   pop-culture focus but it's still really [TS]

00:50:41   stunt [TS]

00:50:42   asked which is the other part of it [TS]

00:50:44   right is the casting right there are [TS]

00:50:46   stars in pixar movie stars voices but i [TS]

00:50:49   rarely feel like the the parts are stunt [TS]

00:50:53   cast now billy crystal and john goodman [TS]

00:50:55   actually is an example of one more stunt [TS]

00:50:58   casting but in the early days i think [TS]

00:51:00   they did more of that with you know [TS]

00:51:01   again done with a with Tom Hanks and and [TS]

00:51:05   it on Helen and Tim Allen exactly but [TS]

00:51:08   like up is is Lou Grant right it's tents [TS]

00:51:15   and Asner but now you know [TS]

00:51:17   oh boy and adds a scary movie at last [TS]

00:51:20   her a nobody is saying that and it [TS]

00:51:24   because it's just not it's just not [TS]

00:51:25   relevant in cars or Wilson is in cars [TS]

00:51:28   but yeah and bonnie hunt and larry the [TS]

00:51:31   cable guy right i mean they were cast [TS]

00:51:33   but they were cast because they're gonna [TS]

00:51:35   bring in the people and I think maybe [TS]

00:51:36   that's that's something that that pixar [TS]

00:51:39   does better than other studios to [TS]

00:51:40   because as much as I like love [TS]

00:51:43   megamind i am reminded that it is very [TS]

00:51:45   specifically will ferrell and Tina Fey [TS]

00:51:48   and actually will ferrell doesn't bother [TS]

00:51:50   me so much because that's an outlandish [TS]

00:51:52   character the tina fey kind of bothers [TS]

00:51:53   me because it's like she kind of looks [TS]

00:51:55   like Tina Fey and she kind of doesn't [TS]

00:51:57   and she sounds exactly like Tina Fey cuz [TS]

00:51:59   it's tina fey and it's like I felt like [TS]

00:52:01   two on the nose and not not the right [TS]

00:52:04   decision and I compared to something [TS]

00:52:06   into some extent I think that's a little [TS]

00:52:07   bit where Disney went wrong over the [TS]

00:52:09   years where they gradually transition [TS]

00:52:11   from from having unknowns voicing their [TS]

00:52:13   characters to having increasingly famous [TS]

00:52:15   people it and you know for a while they [TS]

00:52:18   sort of teetered on the brink where they [TS]

00:52:20   had guys like Terry Thomas and and phil [TS]

00:52:22   harris who just had a big booming voices [TS]

00:52:24   but weren't necessarily known for their [TS]

00:52:25   personalities are there you know the [TS]

00:52:27   film's they done or the TV shows they've [TS]

00:52:29   been on it and and now they've [TS]

00:52:32   completely made the transition into we [TS]

00:52:35   have a hooded the tangled who is waste [TS]

00:52:39   of that the girl entangled mandy moore [TS]

00:52:42   and mandy moore right she's not so much [TS]

00:52:45   less relevant and she wants was and [TS]

00:52:46   she's become an actor yet but it and but [TS]

00:52:49   but certainly I think private pinnacle [TS]

00:52:51   of that was the Robin Williams casting [TS]

00:52:55   but it's it's it's funny how much [TS]

00:52:57   they're there the enjoyment of their [TS]

00:52:59   films for me kind of follows that exact [TS]

00:53:01   same sort of the path I was going to [TS]

00:53:04   cancers the low point oh dear lizzy low [TS]

00:53:07   point of stunt casting low point of make [TS]

00:53:10   the same movie the Pixar is making it [TS]

00:53:11   much worse and and low point of [TS]

00:53:14   characters you know trying to make the [TS]

00:53:17   characters in the movie they want that I [TS]

00:53:18   think that Woody Allen and sylvester [TS]

00:53:20   stallone if i recall correctly and some [TS]

00:53:23   crazy combination of people and then you [TS]

00:53:24   had ants faces that look like Sylvester [TS]

00:53:26   Stallone's computerized head shoved on [TS]

00:53:28   aunt and Woody Allen it's just that was [TS]

00:53:30   that was a real low [TS]

00:53:32   it's the best by bug's life looks so [TS]

00:53:34   good in retrospect you like but remember [TS]

00:53:35   hantsport bugs like my way better than [TS]

00:53:37   that one again that's it that's a major [TS]

00:53:39   that's their second release in who were [TS]

00:53:40   the top lenders there it's dave foley [TS]

00:53:42   and david Hyde Pierce and Julia Louie [TS]

00:53:47   Dreyfus and me again pics are picking [TS]

00:53:50   kind of known actors good actors but not [TS]

00:53:55   for their star appeal and not just about [TS]

00:53:58   the seats [TS]

00:53:59   yeah yeah in fact the Brad Pitt is the [TS]

00:54:01   superhero and megamind honestly it's [TS]

00:54:03   like totally irrelevant right that's [TS]

00:54:05   that's why that works in a way that it [TS]

00:54:07   doesn't if it's you know just it's eddie [TS]

00:54:10   murphy is a donkey [TS]

00:54:11   he's crazy it takes our hearts disguise [TS]

00:54:15   I don't disguise the voices like for [TS]

00:54:16   example when you mentioned a holly hunt [TS]

00:54:18   was in the incredibles I had never [TS]

00:54:19   realized that she was elastigirl yeah [TS]

00:54:21   until you mentioned it but now you say [TS]

00:54:23   like yeah it is hi I'm Craig neverson [TS]

00:54:25   whoo-hoo i know crazy Nelson is mr. [TS]

00:54:28   coach never coach would never think that [TS]

00:54:30   I see the characters in the movie and I [TS]

00:54:32   don't even think like I guess maybe they [TS]

00:54:34   don't have distinct voices or whatever [TS]

00:54:35   very rarely in a Pixar movie unless it's [TS]

00:54:38   really agree just like John Goodman I [TS]

00:54:40   mean you're and doing risky going to [TS]

00:54:42   pick them out but they also don't make [TS]

00:54:44   the mistake of trying to make that the [TS]

00:54:46   characters look a little bit like the [TS]

00:54:48   voice actors which is something the [TS]

00:54:50   disney started and it's got worse and [TS]

00:54:52   worse over the years isn't used to be [TS]

00:54:53   obsessed with that they would show you [TS]

00:54:54   the little videos look we filmed him [TS]

00:54:56   doing his dialogue and then we make the [TS]

00:54:58   face look exactly like his face well if [TS]

00:55:00   it that's not the character don't do [TS]

00:55:01   that right although they were when they [TS]

00:55:02   were doing for guys like Terry Thomas it [TS]

00:55:04   be [TS]

00:55:05   it was a funny joke you know but when [TS]

00:55:07   you've got guys [TS]

00:55:08   that are better known just for piano [TS]

00:55:10   some cheap disposable entertainment and [TS]

00:55:12   the whole joke is a look it's a it's [TS]

00:55:16   woody allen for instance you know it's [TS]

00:55:17   it's not funny anymore and it's [TS]

00:55:20   distracting and it completely removes [TS]

00:55:22   any ability of voice to become the [TS]

00:55:24   characters voice as opposed to Woody [TS]

00:55:26   Allen's voice superimposed on top of an [TS]

00:55:28   animation and I don't think Woody Allen [TS]

00:55:30   was too into that either no it's not [TS]

00:55:32   given he's phoning it in there versus [TS]

00:55:34   when Matt very literally this is a good [TS]

00:55:36   comparison because even though Tom Hanks [TS]

00:55:39   is the a tapas top a-list triple-a like [TS]

00:55:42   that he was just coming off like to ask [TS]

00:55:43   Oscars I don't know if what the timeline [TS]

00:55:45   was there but he's he's at the top of [TS]

00:55:47   the thing you get the impression that he [TS]

00:55:49   didn't phone in woody and certainly not [TS]

00:55:51   in the second and third one you know [TS]

00:55:52   that he was actually acting for that [TS]

00:55:54   role in the way the Tom Hanks does you [TS]

00:55:56   know [TS]

00:55:57   yes absolutely alright work we have [TS]

00:56:00   talked so much and i know there's so [TS]

00:56:02   much more for us to talk about so we're [TS]

00:56:04   going to pause it [TS]

00:56:05   we're gonna end part 1 of this podcast [TS]

00:56:07   here and we're going to come back is it [TS]

00:56:09   okay will you guys come back for part [TS]

00:56:10   two next week [TS]

00:56:12   I can't wait that long well you're going [TS]

00:56:14   to have to John will you be back [TS]

00:56:16   situation will kill more do you refuse [TS]

00:56:17   to return I'll consider it right all [TS]

00:56:20   right well well they ponder i will thank [TS]

00:56:23   you for listening to part one of the [TS]

00:56:24   pics our podcast at the uncomfortable [TS]

00:56:26   this is jason Snell for John Syracuse [TS]

00:56:28   and Steve let's thanks for listening and [TS]

00:56:30   we'll see you next time [TS]

00:56:32   [Music] [TS]

00:56:45   helpful skype volume level or will turn [TS]

00:56:50   me into a gigantic blown-out plan pocket [TS]

00:56:53   but it hasn't [TS]

00:56:57   good I'm glad to hear that displeases me [TS]

00:57:00   did you just say clown pocket I i went [TS]

00:57:06   to urban dictionary and look it up and [TS]

00:57:08   indeed richness Kato's description of it [TS]

00:57:11   was correct place from the urban [TS]

00:57:13   dictionary perspective we have a friend [TS]

00:57:16   who's who was a his story Steve and I [TS]

00:57:20   and several other friends from college [TS]

00:57:21   had had a dinner last week and a friend [TS]

00:57:25   who's a freelance journalist had an [TS]

00:57:26   editor tell him was it that his story [TS]

00:57:28   was a was a clown pocket he said editing [TS]

00:57:31   one of your morning briefs is like [TS]

00:57:33   bending a clown pocket it did not mean [TS]

00:57:36   what he thought it meant [TS]

00:57:37   oh it is trying to be hip and happening [TS]

00:57:46   with it so he's using references to the [TS]

00:57:48   pockets of clowns [TS]

00:57:50   it strikes me that a grammarian should [TS]

00:57:52   be aware that there are multiple [TS]

00:57:54   connotations of any given term that one [TS]

00:57:57   might use the other connotation what is [TS]

00:57:59   the what is the one ya like an actual [TS]

00:58:02   ground products thank you like a thing [TS]

00:58:04   like pie [TS]

00:58:04   he was being literal a pocket on the [TS]

00:58:06   clown because God distinct from regular [TS]

00:58:08   pockets in some way that's their get [TS]

00:58:10   happy [TS]

00:58:11   yeah but bozo keeps his keys in his coat [TS]

00:58:13   pocket and if one broke loose one would [TS]

00:58:15   have a bit of a job trying to sell it [TS]

00:58:17   back on [TS]

00:58:18   yeah exactly that's pretty weak [TS]

00:58:21   yeah yes anyway about that well spotted [TS]

00:58:26   I'd I thought you were gonna let the [TS]

00:58:27   club pocket sailrite but I spat audio no [TS]

00:58:31   sense [TS]

00:58:32   well it still was bad audio but you did [TS]

00:58:34   hear it alright yeah [TS]

00:58:37   thought up had the most PG or possibly [TS]

00:58:40   pg-13 moment in any Pixar movie i can [TS]

00:58:43   can either one of you guess which moment [TS]

00:58:45   i'm going to site now [TS]

00:58:46   hmm wow well I think it's obviously when [TS]

00:58:51   they found that bird and it had a clown [TS]

00:58:53   pocket now and no inside jokes before [TS]

00:58:57   the recording began when i'm already [TS]

00:58:59   added that one out [TS]