The Incomparable

48: Can I Get Some Extra Dragons on That, Please?


00:00:00   the incomparable podcast number for the [TS]

00:00:07   eight delight well here and [TS]

00:00:11   we're back on the uncomfortable podcast [TS]

00:00:14   and we hope you like our recent two-part [TS]

00:00:16   epic about Star Wars will try to get to [TS]

00:00:17   the empire strikes back soon [TS]

00:00:19   we promise but now we're going to talk [TS]

00:00:21   about the just-concluded HBO series Game [TS]

00:00:25   of Thrones based on the series of books [TS]

00:00:26   by george RR martin and before we blow [TS]

00:00:29   the spoiler horn what we're going to say [TS]

00:00:31   is we're going to talk about the first [TS]

00:00:33   season of Game of Thrones on HBO the [TS]

00:00:34   first 10 episodes and we're going to [TS]

00:00:36   related talk about that first novel a [TS]

00:00:40   game of thrones by george RR martin [TS]

00:00:42   we're not going to talk about what [TS]

00:00:44   happens after that first book after the [TS]

00:00:47   first season of the show so if you're [TS]

00:00:49   riding along with the show or the first [TS]

00:00:52   book and you don't want to know what [TS]

00:00:53   happens [TS]

00:00:54   this should be a safe zone for you were [TS]

00:00:56   not come and try to spoil you [TS]

00:00:59   I'm Jason Snelling hosted the [TS]

00:01:04   incomparable joining me today are a [TS]

00:01:06   great large collection of people who [TS]

00:01:08   want to talk about Game of Thrones let's [TS]

00:01:11   start with the the sniper of podcast [TS]

00:01:13   comedy himself Scott McNulty hi Scott [TS]

00:01:16   hello good to have you here Dan more'n [TS]

00:01:19   also joins us because he's on every [TS]

00:01:20   incomparable podcast I damn Ned Stark [TS]

00:01:23   forever [TS]

00:01:24   hi hi hi you're not already called will [TS]

00:01:28   also joins us from the good city of San [TS]

00:01:30   Francisco hi Winterfell Winterfell hello [TS]

00:01:33   hello hello John syracuse joins us from [TS]

00:01:36   the wilds of Massachusetts I John [TS]

00:01:38   greetings everybody and special guest [TS]

00:01:41   making his first appearance on the [TS]

00:01:42   incomparable Monty Ashley who recapped [TS]

00:01:46   game of thrones for the website [TS]

00:01:48   television without pity and also a [TS]

00:01:50   college friend of mine haimanti hello [TS]

00:01:52   welcome those two twins which to the [TS]

00:01:57   twins the twist [TS]

00:01:59   no they're not they're not every with [TS]

00:02:02   that would have been awkward [TS]

00:02:04   they would be though they did horrible [TS]

00:02:06   things that women should not do to [TS]

00:02:07   another that would be what we can't have [TS]

00:02:09   spoiled the future episode when it's [TS]

00:02:11   revealed no they're twins so so i think [TS]

00:02:16   that the one of the pressing questions [TS]

00:02:18   about this show from the beginning from [TS]

00:02:19   when we heard it was going to come on [TS]

00:02:21   was how would you adapt [TS]

00:02:24   this novel this kind of sweeping in some [TS]

00:02:27   ways intentionally unfilmable novel it [TS]

00:02:30   and turn it into a TV show now they had [TS]

00:02:32   10 hours to do it instead of a two-hour [TS]

00:02:34   movie but still there's a lot of stuff [TS]

00:02:35   packed into that book there are a lot of [TS]

00:02:37   a lot of backstory there so many [TS]

00:02:39   characters so I you know first off I'd [TS]

00:02:42   say what do you guys think about how [TS]

00:02:44   they first first actually let's take a [TS]

00:02:47   survey here how many of you have you all [TS]

00:02:51   read the book [TS]

00:02:52   indeed razor has yes my hands I have not [TS]

00:02:56   read the book [TS]

00:02:57   ok to John Syracuse's our control [TS]

00:02:59   control subjects such as I could be [TS]

00:03:01   alright so so for those of you who have [TS]

00:03:04   read the books i'm curious what you [TS]

00:03:06   think about how the show handled at [TS]

00:03:10   adapting the book and if it did a good [TS]

00:03:12   job or if perhaps even surpassed the [TS]

00:03:15   book in some way let's start with Monty [TS]

00:03:17   I thought the show was actually better [TS]

00:03:21   than the books and that I didn't like [TS]

00:03:22   the books at all the books I felt were [TS]

00:03:25   long and rambly i felt i had read 3,000 [TS]

00:03:28   pages and I was not invested in anything [TS]

00:03:30   that was happening and I didn't care who [TS]

00:03:32   died next whereas on the show even [TS]

00:03:34   though i'd read the first book I [TS]

00:03:36   couldn't wait for the next episode to [TS]

00:03:38   see what was going to happen and I think [TS]

00:03:40   part of that is because it [TS]

00:03:42   the show is a lot less vague and you can [TS]

00:03:45   actually see what's happening with [TS]

00:03:48   different characters when you did the [TS]

00:03:51   spoiler horn right [TS]

00:03:52   yes the songs for has been fired when [TS]

00:03:54   they died we actually have to see there [TS]

00:03:56   it is [TS]

00:03:57   huawei descended not Ned Stark a [TS]

00:04:00   different net head flavors when Ned [TS]

00:04:03   Flanders know what [TS]

00:04:05   well the simpsons now when they died [TS]

00:04:09   you can see how everyone reacted there's [TS]

00:04:11   no vagueness about whether Cersei wanted [TS]

00:04:14   this to happen [TS]

00:04:15   you saw her freak out and tell Joffrey [TS]

00:04:17   to knock it off and that sort of thing I [TS]

00:04:19   gave me a much better feel for what was [TS]

00:04:21   happening on the show actually that what [TS]

00:04:26   is a wren Dan Scott what do you guys [TS]

00:04:28   think definitely well I mean you get the [TS]

00:04:30   the picture very clearly that I Joffrey [TS]

00:04:33   is basically going off his rocker and [TS]

00:04:35   being like I'm going to just do [TS]

00:04:37   as and screw whatever my mother is a [TS]

00:04:39   range and you get that in an instant [TS]

00:04:41   which is bigger haha yeah and the camera [TS]

00:04:44   angle or great [TS]

00:04:45   well I I mean I think you know button by [TS]

00:04:47   necessity they have to cut a lot of [TS]

00:04:49   stuff down right and they sort of [TS]

00:04:50   trimmed it and and honed it to a point i [TS]

00:04:52   think which works great i mean like [TS]

00:04:53   television you know movies and books are [TS]

00:04:56   obviously very distinct genres are [TS]

00:04:57   things you can do in either that you [TS]

00:04:59   can't do in the other but i think that [TS]

00:05:01   they you know they took what would make [TS]

00:05:04   a good you know a good television show [TS]

00:05:06   out of the book and as such because you [TS]

00:05:10   know it is still a huge investment [TS]

00:05:11   obviously time it's 10 hours but it [TS]

00:05:14   feels in some ways less of a time sink [TS]

00:05:17   than reading a multi-hundred page looks [TS]

00:05:18   as if this is someone who likes the [TS]

00:05:20   books and thinks that the books did a [TS]

00:05:21   good job for four books that they were [TS]

00:05:24   in that you know this is sort of an epic [TS]

00:05:26   fantasy series and as someone who enjoys [TS]

00:05:27   reading those I thought it did an [TS]

00:05:29   excellent job with that but also you [TS]

00:05:31   know it's hard to walk that path of of [TS]

00:05:34   adapting such well-known source material [TS]

00:05:36   and I think they did they did a quite [TS]

00:05:38   adept job at it for a variety of reasons [TS]

00:05:41   got well i think you know the the kind [TS]

00:05:44   of people who read giant fantasy books [TS]

00:05:47   are the kind of people who want to revel [TS]

00:05:49   in the details and you know know about [TS]

00:05:53   all the history of the houses and all [TS]

00:05:55   that crap and the kind of people who I [TS]

00:05:58   say crap and lovingly and so when you're [TS]

00:06:01   developing a show that you just have to [TS]

00:06:04   cut to the bare bones right and and just [TS]

00:06:06   boil it down to the central plot points [TS]

00:06:08   and if it's on HBO and naked people and [TS]

00:06:11   you're done and I think they did that is [TS]

00:06:15   accomplished [TS]

00:06:16   well i think in reading one of the [TS]

00:06:18   interviews with george RR martin he [TS]

00:06:19   talks about how in some ways this was I [TS]

00:06:22   think I mentioned this in our podcast [TS]

00:06:24   about the books in some ways this was [TS]

00:06:25   his take on something like a historical [TS]

00:06:27   event like the war of the roses and and [TS]

00:06:30   it within watching the TV show I almost [TS]

00:06:32   felt like what we were seeing was the [TS]

00:06:34   source material was like a history book [TS]

00:06:36   that had lots of detail and that then [TS]

00:06:39   the people come in and say well that's [TS]

00:06:40   the story that was the history of how do [TS]

00:06:42   we tell a TV show based on this and and [TS]

00:06:44   so did get simplified and in clarified [TS]

00:06:46   in some ways and and I do think that was [TS]

00:06:48   successful and it's the same [TS]

00:06:50   the way that you know you take something [TS]

00:06:51   like like lord of the rings right which [TS]

00:06:53   is again has this incredibly you know [TS]

00:06:56   deep rich history behind it but have you [TS]

00:06:59   know history doesn't always make a super [TS]

00:07:01   interesting movie or TV show you say [TS]

00:07:04   that now we just wait until Peter [TS]

00:07:06   Jackson does the silmarillion okay man [TS]

00:07:10   I'm right on the edge of my seat maybe [TS]

00:07:11   I'll finally finished reading that book [TS]

00:07:12   and finish my eighth grade book report [TS]

00:07:14   but I you know there's something to you [TS]

00:07:18   gotta change it it's got to be a little [TS]

00:07:20   more cohesive that the narrative [TS]

00:07:22   structure has to change a little bit [TS]

00:07:23   because you're building for these axons [TS]

00:07:25   individual episodes but you know overall [TS]

00:07:28   again I think they did a great job with [TS]

00:07:30   it and I you know I i want to tip you [TS]

00:07:32   know a large part of my hat to the [TS]

00:07:34   casting which is just an HBO is shown [TS]

00:07:36   themselves to be just awesome where [TS]

00:07:38   they're casting directors are they just [TS]

00:07:40   they are great across-the-board because [TS]

00:07:42   they do such a fantastic job of picking [TS]

00:07:43   the right people for the part and there [TS]

00:07:45   were so many cases in this where you [TS]

00:07:47   know having read the book and picture to [TS]

00:07:49   character a certain way even if it [TS]

00:07:50   wasn't like exactly a hundred percent [TS]

00:07:52   right you can you look at the characters [TS]

00:07:53   and be like yep [TS]

00:07:55   yeah that's basically what that guy [TS]

00:07:56   looks like all right we'll get back to [TS]

00:07:58   the casting because I do want to talk [TS]

00:07:59   about the the actors in this but first i [TS]

00:08:01   want to go to our control group john [TS]

00:08:03   siracusa who did not read the book my [TS]

00:08:06   wife also didn't read the book and it [TS]

00:08:07   was fascinating to watch her and [TS]

00:08:09   occasionally I would explain something [TS]

00:08:10   but generally you know she got it she [TS]

00:08:13   you know it like watching the wire or [TS]

00:08:14   something like that you know not to [TS]

00:08:16   compare it to the wire John easy easy [TS]

00:08:18   but it's like that innocence that the [TS]

00:08:20   first few episodes they're getting [TS]

00:08:21   ripped up and it's a little bit slower [TS]

00:08:23   and there's a lot to digest [TS]

00:08:25   by the end she was really satisfied with [TS]

00:08:26   it's not John you know how about you how [TS]

00:08:28   was your take on it not having read the [TS]

00:08:30   books you know just because you didn't [TS]

00:08:32   read the book doesn't mean you can't [TS]

00:08:33   tell if it's a good adaptation or not I [TS]

00:08:35   have just thinking about this was [TS]

00:08:37   watching it you may be uniquely able to [TS]

00:08:40   tell us because you didn't have to deal [TS]

00:08:42   with about it all here here are i'll [TS]

00:08:44   give you a system this two ways you can [TS]

00:08:45   do a time elapsing in the story you can [TS]

00:08:51   do the big jump or you show that the [TS]

00:08:53   little kid and he has some trauma [TS]

00:08:55   experienced me as a child and then you [TS]

00:08:56   jump forward and he's like a young man [TS]

00:08:58   right that's the big jump dissolved to [TS]

00:09:00   Israel a teenager [TS]

00:09:02   yes or you can do the small series of [TS]

00:09:04   steps with logical connections between [TS]

00:09:06   bad adaptations happen when they there [TS]

00:09:10   in that middle ground where they have to [TS]

00:09:12   cut stuff out of the book it's not long [TS]

00:09:14   enough to be a dissolved change scenery [TS]

00:09:16   now he's a man type of thing but it's [TS]

00:09:19   not short enough for you to be able to [TS]

00:09:20   connect the dots of like what I just saw [TS]

00:09:22   that guy and he was like cowardly and me [TS]

00:09:24   and he was when he was talking to this [TS]

00:09:25   person they had this relationship and [TS]

00:09:27   now three scenes later they seem to have [TS]

00:09:28   a totally different relationship and [TS]

00:09:30   then they try to stick in lines of [TS]

00:09:31   dialogue do remember you know two years [TS]

00:09:33   ago I got over my fear of you and we had [TS]

00:09:36   a battle that was not included in this [TS]

00:09:38   out you know it seems disjointed an [TS]

00:09:41   example i would give even though it [TS]

00:09:42   doesn't have the character development [TS]

00:09:44   problems probably because that much [TS]

00:09:45   character development is the the recent [TS]

00:09:47   series of harry potter movies I I always [TS]

00:09:49   felt like there were gaps taken out and [TS]

00:09:51   they weren't long enough where was a big [TS]

00:09:52   transition period of the people's lives [TS]

00:09:54   but they weren't short enough it from [TS]

00:09:56   one thing to the next would be like all [TS]

00:09:58   wait a second what are we supposed to be [TS]

00:09:59   concerned about something like you would [TS]

00:10:01   feel things missing and a game of [TS]

00:10:02   thrones they seem to whatever they cut [TS]

00:10:06   out i didn't notice where the holes [TS]

00:10:08   where it just seemed like everything [TS]

00:10:09   logically followed from the other and [TS]

00:10:12   there wasn't a lot of people having to [TS]

00:10:13   do exposition to explain their own [TS]

00:10:16   motivations or events that were not seen [TS]

00:10:18   on camera or whatever so the stuff they [TS]

00:10:20   cut out thumbs up because i don't think [TS]

00:10:22   you needed it and what exposition there [TS]

00:10:23   was was done while people were naked [TS]

00:10:25   yeah I remember that never hurts like [TS]

00:10:28   except for that old dude [TS]

00:10:31   although that was really funny right [TS]

00:10:32   because it seems like a random scene but [TS]

00:10:34   then you realize that what they're [TS]

00:10:35   really showing is that it's all it's all [TS]

00:10:37   put on and he actually is spryer than [TS]

00:10:40   than that but yes make it explanation is [TS]

00:10:43   that is an actor is great too i bet [TS]

00:10:45   that's probably the best thing he's ever [TS]

00:10:46   done in his entire acting career and he [TS]

00:10:48   was in Indiana Jones and the Last [TS]

00:10:49   Crusade and Empire I know but was he was [TS]

00:10:52   he doing naked squats with it with a [TS]

00:10:53   negative actress in the room no they did [TS]

00:10:56   not ask general veers to do that now [TS]

00:10:58   they showed he was physically spryer [TS]

00:10:59   than you thought [TS]

00:11:00   but he's also the only person actually [TS]

00:11:02   supporting Joffrey at the whole [TS]

00:11:04   heartedly at this point I think right is [TS]

00:11:06   he or is he saying that because he knows [TS]

00:11:08   that the girl is a spy for I don't know [TS]

00:11:12   which one varistor Littlefinger I don't [TS]

00:11:14   know who can tell i would not be [TS]

00:11:15   the game of thrones all the whores work [TS]

00:11:17   for Tommy Carcetti that's right they see [TS]

00:11:20   more wire rozell some more [TS]

00:11:22   that's amazing uh it is the HBO HBO [TS]

00:11:26   Actors Guild they all get parts in [TS]

00:11:29   various HBO rules and John otherwise as [TS]

00:11:33   a as a novice to the game of thrones [TS]

00:11:36   series just going in cold as a as a [TS]

00:11:38   viewer to hold together too long you [TS]

00:11:41   know make sense [TS]

00:11:42   see we you know we satisfied by this [TS]

00:11:44   thing is a complete blank slate [TS]

00:11:46   yeah i mean you could see that they had [TS]

00:11:48   to do they opened the Series with sort [TS]

00:11:50   of the overarching mythos of winter and [TS]

00:11:53   those white riders and stuff like that [TS]

00:11:55   and then a great quickly move away from [TS]

00:11:57   that to get you settled into the world [TS]

00:11:59   that is threatened by that thing I guess [TS]

00:12:00   it's kind of a season one thing where [TS]

00:12:02   you have to establish what I assume is [TS]

00:12:03   going to be the larger arc story and [TS]

00:12:07   then quickly go inside well here's the [TS]

00:12:09   world is threatened and let me get you [TS]

00:12:10   involved in that world so that when it [TS]

00:12:11   becomes threatened lay there or you know [TS]

00:12:13   you'll be more invested in it so that [TS]

00:12:15   was a little bit awkward transitioning [TS]

00:12:17   from is this a series about the wall [TS]

00:12:19   nothing straightening the wall or is [TS]

00:12:20   this is serious about people fighting [TS]

00:12:22   over is going to be king of the other [TS]

00:12:23   parts in which senses it's actually a [TS]

00:12:25   very faithful representation of the book [TS]

00:12:27   because that's basically exactly how the [TS]

00:12:28   book but it is interesting it is the [TS]

00:12:30   message there is that the you know you [TS]

00:12:33   you're seeing this fantasy series in the [TS]

00:12:34   first scene has got something [TS]

00:12:35   supernatural limit and then you forget [TS]

00:12:38   in many ways that that you saw that and [TS]

00:12:41   it's all there's not a lot of magic in [TS]

00:12:43   especially in this first season there's [TS]

00:12:46   really very little magic until you get [TS]

00:12:48   to the last couple of episodes and I [TS]

00:12:50   feel like that first scene is there to [TS]

00:12:52   tell you yes yes that there are magical [TS]

00:12:54   things that are going to happen just not [TS]

00:12:56   for a while yet and that's how george RR [TS]

00:12:59   martin has structured the whole story [TS]

00:13:00   right because he starts off at the wall [TS]

00:13:02   and it's very it's a big imposing thing [TS]

00:13:04   and you think oh my god this is [TS]

00:13:05   important and these people are doing [TS]

00:13:07   important work keeping the Seven [TS]

00:13:09   Kingdoms safe and then you find out that [TS]

00:13:11   they send the dregs of humanity up there [TS]

00:13:13   and they just don't want to think about [TS]

00:13:14   it and behind that wall is you know [TS]

00:13:17   magical things and all kinds of nasty [TS]

00:13:19   things that no one wants to think about [TS]

00:13:21   so they just think about this little [TS]

00:13:23   game of thrones that they are playing [TS]

00:13:25   while the whole time you know [TS]

00:13:27   who knows what's gathered i think i [TS]

00:13:29   think Hogwarts is above the wall right [TS]

00:13:32   yes yeah listen already at land of [TS]

00:13:35   eternal winter up there right [TS]

00:13:37   that's good now i want to thank you [TS]

00:13:39   light that they ever address why things [TS]

00:13:42   can't walk around the wall it's really [TS]

00:13:44   big that sits along and no around and [TS]

00:13:47   not over it just go to the end and then [TS]

00:13:48   walk its its end-to-end isn't it I mean [TS]

00:13:51   goes from ocean to ocean yeah ocean to [TS]

00:13:53   ocean right by the ocean is like three [TS]

00:13:55   feet deep at the short walk up to your [TS]

00:13:57   waist [TS]

00:13:58   I don't think so i think it goes further [TS]

00:14:00   than that there's this geography haven't [TS]

00:14:02   you didn't watch the opening credits [TS]

00:14:03   every day but they have but they have [TS]

00:14:05   boat started there there there John John [TS]

00:14:08   they're White Walkers not wait swimmers [TS]

00:14:10   ok just like the Dothraki are afraid of [TS]

00:14:13   swimming so our way Walker's that's [TS]

00:14:17   right it has made me realize their major [TS]

00:14:19   political implications white floaties [TS]

00:14:22   let's talk a little bit about the actors [TS]

00:14:26   in the casting dan mentioned it earlier [TS]

00:14:28   you know III it really is tough to try [TS]

00:14:32   him and cast of characters an adaptation [TS]

00:14:36   especially when the when the books have [TS]

00:14:38   such fans but i have to say i think in [TS]

00:14:41   general they did a really good job in [TS]

00:14:43   fact nailed it and come on [TS]

00:14:46   I i have a couple equivalent but they're [TS]

00:14:47   they're so offset by the positives that [TS]

00:14:49   you know I mean let's start [TS]

00:14:51   I mean yeah everybody can throw out a [TS]

00:14:54   favorite if they if they've got it made [TS]

00:14:55   everybody is waiting so Peter Dinklage [TS]

00:14:57   let's talk about that that's the best [TS]

00:14:59   character in the books [TS]

00:15:00   it's he does a great job although I will [TS]

00:15:02   say his accent is atrocious all gets [TS]

00:15:05   better but it starts out it's really [TS]

00:15:06   really bad but he's still got but he's [TS]

00:15:09   got the manor down oh yeah completely [TS]

00:15:11   great character and he does he nails it [TS]

00:15:14   he does other than the accent which I [TS]

00:15:16   feel like even by the end of the series [TS]

00:15:18   I felt like he was better with the [TS]

00:15:19   accent that he had to struggle with that [TS]

00:15:21   a little bit but such a great character [TS]

00:15:23   and perfect casting right when i heard [TS]

00:15:25   that he was cast I thought well that's [TS]

00:15:27   it and Tyrion Lannister is just a you [TS]

00:15:30   know that's just a fantastic character [TS]

00:15:31   so that was that was yeah that's like in [TS]

00:15:34   a great his speech in the Eyrie [TS]

00:15:36   especially his entire yeah i'm going to [TS]

00:15:38   confess to [TS]

00:15:39   like crimes and just the way through [TS]

00:15:42   that out and played it so specifically [TS]

00:15:44   was fantastic [TS]

00:15:46   it's like a weird Perry Mason episode [TS]

00:15:47   where except the judge would have to be [TS]

00:15:49   nursing a nine-year-old gotta venture [TS]

00:15:53   something that was that was creepy [TS]

00:15:55   I saw that episode of Perry Mason meant [TS]

00:15:57   as weird as creepier than I then I [TS]

00:16:00   thought creepier than I thought the the [TS]

00:16:03   the the Lord of the Aerie nursing on [TS]

00:16:06   this mom creepier than the books ever [TS]

00:16:08   made it out to be yeah there's a house [TS]

00:16:10   that was pretty creepy in the books [TS]

00:16:12   yeah but you didn't get this see how old [TS]

00:16:14   he was yeah yeah there's that whatever [TS]

00:16:17   is the picture in your mind you can't [TS]

00:16:19   really picture and eight-year-old [TS]

00:16:21   suckling at his mother's breasts until [TS]

00:16:22   you see it on the screen and then its [TS]

00:16:25   just oh in in HD so in terms of the the [TS]

00:16:28   the headliners i'm sean bean no stranger [TS]

00:16:32   to fantasy from Lord of the Rings they [TS]

00:16:34   bring him in as the essentially the lead [TS]

00:16:36   character except those supposed to read [TS]

00:16:37   the book knew what was coming and it was [TS]

00:16:39   going to be a one-season gig for him but [TS]

00:16:41   I thought he did a really good job [TS]

00:16:43   ya know he's very solid he's the one [TS]

00:16:46   honest man right like that's the moment [TS]

00:16:47   that supply and in that sense you know [TS]

00:16:49   kind of the opposite of his of his [TS]

00:16:51   warlords and Kings character that you [TS]

00:16:53   and I was watching it with my wife when [TS]

00:16:55   she could bear to watch it because she [TS]

00:16:57   cannot handle tense violent shows so she [TS]

00:17:00   was half most like five minutes when she [TS]

00:17:02   was watching the show she kept saying [TS]

00:17:04   why is he so stupid [TS]

00:17:06   he's not stupid he is just honest he's [TS]

00:17:09   the only one right exactly [TS]

00:17:12   I love I can I just say one thing that i [TS]

00:17:14   absolutely love about the last episode [TS]

00:17:16   with Ned and with the whole you know [TS]

00:17:19   getting his head getting beheaded and [TS]

00:17:20   all that fun stuff for is when he looks [TS]

00:17:23   and sees Aria on the on the mountain he [TS]

00:17:27   looks and he sees her and there's it's [TS]

00:17:29   obvious it's not a detailed it's in the [TS]

00:17:31   books because it's from Mario's [TS]

00:17:32   perspective as i remember not not for [TS]

00:17:34   meds but he looks and he sees her and [TS]

00:17:40   it's the last thing he sees before he [TS]

00:17:42   gets beheaded as he looks and he doesn't [TS]

00:17:44   see her on the on the platform anymore [TS]

00:17:47   on the mountain anymore and that's like [TS]

00:17:49   I know that that moment specifically [TS]

00:17:51   just grabbed me [TS]

00:17:52   it's a moment of [TS]

00:17:53   hope which is not really you know big in [TS]

00:17:55   the books no there's no I'm still alive [TS]

00:17:58   and and he set the message that where [TS]

00:18:01   she is so that they can go getter and [TS]

00:18:03   hopefully spirit her away right that [TS]

00:18:06   certain last his last gasp you know give [TS]

00:18:09   them props to for the the kid the [TS]

00:18:11   children actors for the most part I [TS]

00:18:13   think you re especially who is one of [TS]

00:18:15   another one of my favorite characters [TS]

00:18:16   from the books are you think they had a [TS]

00:18:19   they had a very nice [TS]

00:18:20   they did a great job with her too she [TS]

00:18:22   was great she's got all those scenes [TS]

00:18:24   with the the fencing master with Syria [TS]

00:18:26   florell are excellent that's a good [TS]

00:18:29   little minor character who was well [TS]

00:18:31   welcome [TS]

00:18:32   he's so while cast the attitude i love [TS]

00:18:35   area but they keep having seen four [TS]

00:18:36   people say she looks like a boy and the [TS]

00:18:39   actress doesn't look like a boy [TS]

00:18:40   yeah that's tough because I mean that is [TS]

00:18:42   a necessity in in the books right like [TS]

00:18:44   the end there you started like they're [TS]

00:18:45   basically making her pass for a boy [TS]

00:18:47   unfortunately she's not she's not the [TS]

00:18:49   most boyish of actresses yea big steak [TS]

00:18:52   cut her hair and makeup yeah they gotta [TS]

00:18:54   like put mud on her face or something [TS]

00:18:55   and yeah they're hoping that the bigger [TS]

00:18:58   eyebrows we're going let's just put [TS]

00:18:59   extra eyebrow pencil and that will [TS]

00:19:01   totally make her not look feminine [TS]

00:19:03   although that that's um that's a scene [TS]

00:19:06   from the beginning of the second book i [TS]

00:19:07   believe i think they actually did push a [TS]

00:19:09   few scenes from the second book into the [TS]

00:19:11   last episode resolved certain storylines [TS]

00:19:14   are you know it's it's structured again [TS]

00:19:16   I'm gonna go back to the wire one of the [TS]

00:19:17   things that I really liked about the [TS]

00:19:18   wire is that the every all the big [TS]

00:19:20   events happen to need an ultimate [TS]

00:19:22   episode of the season [TS]

00:19:23   that's where the bloodbath happened in [TS]

00:19:25   Game of Thrones that's when Ned gets his [TS]

00:19:28   head chopped off and then the last [TS]

00:19:30   episode is like the fallout and day [TS]

00:19:32   tomorrow and I i really like that and I [TS]

00:19:34   like that about the wire and I like that [TS]

00:19:36   I i think it was probably consciously [TS]

00:19:38   model that way by the producers a game [TS]

00:19:40   of thrones to have that shifting of [TS]

00:19:42   gears the fallout the set up for the [TS]

00:19:44   next season and it's funny that they [TS]

00:19:46   actually pulled a couple of scenes from [TS]

00:19:47   the second book forward but it's great [TS]

00:19:49   because it gets Aria out of the town you [TS]

00:19:50   see that she got out that she's on this [TS]

00:19:52   new journey that's going to be [TS]

00:19:53   presumably perilous and you know I [TS]

00:19:57   thought that was good and the actor who [TS]

00:19:58   plays Arya's fantastic even though she [TS]

00:20:00   is is not boyish really just probably [TS]

00:20:02   wonder the actress who plays sands [TS]

00:20:05   it's actually quite do so let's talk [TS]

00:20:06   about Sansa is an annoying character in [TS]

00:20:08   the book and she says no and character [TS]

00:20:10   in the TV show although my wife was just [TS]

00:20:13   telling me before we started recording [TS]

00:20:15   this that the last couple episodes you [TS]

00:20:17   see that the actress will play Santa has [TS]

00:20:19   some skills and they give her some [TS]

00:20:22   things to do in and she does a good job [TS]

00:20:23   but she's playing such an unsympathetic [TS]

00:20:25   character up to that point she's playing [TS]

00:20:27   I'm unsympathetic character but at the [TS]

00:20:29   same time I mean she's playing it so [TS]

00:20:31   well and so to the point where it's like [TS]

00:20:33   you you just especially in the scene [TS]

00:20:36   with Joffrey and like what is it episode [TS]

00:20:38   seven or eight when he comes to [TS]

00:20:40   apologize to her that hole where she's [TS]

00:20:43   being just could complete bitch to the [TS]

00:20:44   to the septa that that combination of [TS]

00:20:47   scenes just shows you know her range [TS]

00:20:50   when she gets some growth in at the end [TS]

00:20:52   to write that brief moment in that live [TS]

00:20:54   in the last episode I was very last [TS]

00:20:56   scene where she's completely pale while [TS]

00:20:58   the one where she the when will Joffrey [TS]

00:21:00   takes her to cnet's hello and you get [TS]

00:21:02   that brief moment of the I mean [TS]

00:21:04   basically contemplate like throwing them [TS]

00:21:06   off the bridge right yeah I can grab and [TS]

00:21:09   makeup off and we were both be dead [TS]

00:21:11   right and like you I mean that's it [TS]

00:21:12   that's a big moment for her right [TS]

00:21:14   because you know she's been very she's [TS]

00:21:17   been very complicit up until that point [TS]

00:21:18   and so it was a nice moment and it shows [TS]

00:21:21   the range and I I'd really actually like [TS]

00:21:22   the interaction with her in the house [TS]

00:21:24   there too at the edges [TS]

00:21:25   well he's saving her or is he condemning [TS]

00:21:27   her right it's a little bit of both and [TS]

00:21:29   is he doing it for her for the king [TS]

00:21:31   it's all kind of you know who knows [TS]

00:21:34   what's going on there in a way senses [TS]

00:21:36   basic flaws the same as Ned's is that [TS]

00:21:39   she's too naive [TS]

00:21:40   she seems to me to have totally bought [TS]

00:21:42   into the idea that you'll just become a [TS]

00:21:43   princess and marry the king and then be [TS]

00:21:46   Queen Sansa and everything will be [TS]

00:21:47   ponies and unicorns forever [TS]

00:21:49   yeah yeah yeah especially Caesar [TS]

00:21:52   traditional fantasy character in many [TS]

00:21:54   ways right and look what Kepler naive [TS]

00:21:56   yet knew the rules of the game he just [TS]

00:21:59   refused to play it so he knew he was [TS]

00:22:01   more or less doomed he knew how things [TS]

00:22:03   were I mean he knew when he got the [TS]

00:22:04   offer come be the hand of the king he [TS]

00:22:06   knew like this sucks basically and this [TS]

00:22:08   will not end well [TS]

00:22:09   probably for me but he does it out of a [TS]

00:22:11   sense of honor and everything he does [TS]

00:22:12   when he's there he doesn't have a sense [TS]

00:22:14   of honor even though he knows full well [TS]

00:22:15   how badly is gonna go where sonza really [TS]

00:22:18   has no idea [TS]

00:22:18   the world actually works there's a great [TS]

00:22:20   line where she says too seriously that [TS]

00:22:22   she's going to be a queen like her and [TS]

00:22:23   it's like oh honey you're not going to [TS]

00:22:25   be a queen like her I think she just [TS]

00:22:27   doesn't know what property she's in on [TS]

00:22:31   on Sansa and the casting not having read [TS]

00:22:34   the book interesting thing about the [TS]

00:22:35   casting was that very early on in the [TS]

00:22:38   the episodes i was trying to determine [TS]

00:22:41   which one of these characters are [TS]

00:22:44   suppose I am I supposed to be [TS]

00:22:45   sympathizing with like which are the [TS]

00:22:47   good guys and bad guys more or less [TS]

00:22:48   United mean I and a lot of it had to do [TS]

00:22:51   with the actor so for example Tyrion now [TS]

00:22:53   Terry and I was immediately attracted to [TS]

00:22:55   Tyrion but the things they had him do [TS]

00:22:57   were not very good so it's like well it [TS]

00:22:59   is this character in the book proposed [TS]

00:23:01   to be evil but this actor is just [TS]

00:23:03   charming the pants off me because he's [TS]

00:23:04   such a good actor right or is like is [TS]

00:23:07   that the character and the same goes for [TS]

00:23:08   everybody else like Sansa is she really [TS]

00:23:10   supposed to be this annoying am I [TS]

00:23:12   supposed to hate her or suggest the [TS]

00:23:13   performance you know so I'm trying to [TS]

00:23:15   gauge by like how much do I like the [TS]

00:23:16   actor is does that mean that this [TS]

00:23:20   character is going to be a good guy in [TS]

00:23:22   the stories and that was a fascinating [TS]

00:23:23   thing it shows that the characters [TS]

00:23:24   aren't cut and dry like you couldn't say [TS]

00:23:26   good guy bad guy got everybody has their [TS]

00:23:28   own problems and i think i carried [TS]

00:23:30   through the whole season even towards [TS]

00:23:31   the end of it I'm like I still don't [TS]

00:23:32   know what the characterization of these [TS]

00:23:33   people in this book series is but i [TS]

00:23:35   decided i like tyrion no matter what I [TS]

00:23:37   think I think you actually that shows [TS]

00:23:39   that you got the desired effect because [TS]

00:23:41   the books are very similar and one that [TS]

00:23:42   may perhaps my favorite thing about the [TS]

00:23:44   books and I've read the football [TS]

00:23:45   whatever four books of them is is that [TS]

00:23:49   every time you think that you've got a [TS]

00:23:50   character and you've got them in a hole [TS]

00:23:52   like I'm rooting for them I'm not [TS]

00:23:53   rooting for them you realize oh no they [TS]

00:23:56   did something terrible or they did [TS]

00:23:57   something good and Tyrion is the best [TS]

00:23:59   example right he's a Lannister he does [TS]

00:24:02   these you know he does these awful [TS]

00:24:04   things but at the same time he's funny [TS]

00:24:05   he's smart [TS]

00:24:06   you get the sense that he's sort of [TS]

00:24:08   doing terrible things out of family [TS]

00:24:09   obligations to like like net in some [TS]

00:24:13   ways and I think that's the strongest [TS]

00:24:14   thing about these these characters in [TS]

00:24:16   this story is that is that it's hard to [TS]

00:24:18   pigeonhole them as good guys and bad [TS]

00:24:20   guys and although in the first season [TS]

00:24:22   and the way they're portrayed it is a [TS]

00:24:24   lot harder to find any sympathy for [TS]

00:24:26   seriously and and and Jaime Lannister or [TS]

00:24:29   job and I mean that [TS]

00:24:31   you are Jeffrey but I mean that again [TS]

00:24:33   you're speaking to speaking to the [TS]

00:24:34   actors Joffrey doesn't look like it's me [TS]

00:24:38   again note perfect right you're supposed [TS]

00:24:40   to load him he is like just a terrible [TS]

00:24:42   loathsome individual and I can be draco [TS]

00:24:45   malfoy smart right that's so smart me [TS]

00:24:48   about it and like I think you've totally [TS]

00:24:50   get that I think that guy you know the [TS]

00:24:51   performance there was excellent in that [TS]

00:24:53   it's like he just brought out every [TS]

00:24:55   thing that you hate about that character [TS]

00:24:57   he could he could not be he cannot be [TS]

00:25:00   drinking mouthwash i want to point this [TS]

00:25:01   out that even the characters that you [TS]

00:25:02   hate that's why I brought up seconds [TS]

00:25:03   like sands are even Joffrey those [TS]

00:25:06   characters all have sympathetic moments [TS]

00:25:08   as opposed to drag the left Ruiz is just [TS]

00:25:11   a cartoon right because we gotta you [TS]

00:25:12   know you feel for Joffrey when he tries [TS]

00:25:15   to when he gets you know choose hand [TS]

00:25:17   Troodon because he was trying to be the [TS]

00:25:18   big man he so clearly isn't these fit is [TS]

00:25:20   basically failing to impress a girl [TS]

00:25:21   that's a sympathetic thing it's not [TS]

00:25:23   doesn't excuse his later behavior but [TS]

00:25:25   you understand why is why is he like [TS]

00:25:27   this why is he so angry and mean it's [TS]

00:25:29   because he's had you know he's not [TS]

00:25:30   successful at becoming a man on high-end [TS]

00:25:33   on his own terms [TS]

00:25:34   same thing with Santa who would like is [TS]

00:25:36   naive and you're like well I'm kinda [TS]

00:25:37   disgusted with our vacations naive but [TS]

00:25:39   she's mostly just an innocent you feel [TS]

00:25:40   for when she sees her father's head get [TS]

00:25:43   cut off and you know later has to look [TS]

00:25:45   at the head on a pike and consider [TS]

00:25:46   throwing yourself off the bridge [TS]

00:25:47   everybody is sympathetic in ways that [TS]

00:25:49   for example draco malfoy is mostly not [TS]

00:25:52   in the movies anyway I don't know about [TS]

00:25:53   the books and that's why I like you for [TS]

00:25:57   example i wouldn't be shocked if someone [TS]

00:25:58   said well you know sounds is actually [TS]

00:26:00   the hero of the third book because she [TS]

00:26:01   grows into this great Queen you know [TS]

00:26:03   about like you can foresee any possible [TS]

00:26:05   future for all the people involved and [TS]

00:26:07   some of them had that are controversies [TS]

00:26:09   and like what's-her-name generis [TS]

00:26:11   obviously over she starts off in the [TS]

00:26:13   season where she ends a very different [TS]

00:26:14   feel like I can see that arc for anybody [TS]

00:26:16   pick any character and if you told me [TS]

00:26:18   that like some in some distant future [TS]

00:26:20   they are very important and a good guy [TS]

00:26:22   be rooting for I would believe it a [TS]

00:26:24   hundred percent [TS]

00:26:24   ok let's go across the Narrow Sea then [TS]

00:26:26   and talk about the Daenerys Targaryen [TS]

00:26:28   story which is was shot i think [TS]

00:26:32   completely separately in in the [TS]

00:26:34   Mediterranean most of the series was [TS]

00:26:35   shot in Northern Ireland but some of it [TS]

00:26:37   a shot and the Mediterranean to get that [TS]

00:26:39   kind of desert you feel you know there [TS]

00:26:42   are a couple crossovers that happen but [TS]

00:26:44   it's basically [TS]

00:26:44   the self-contained story and and to [TS]

00:26:46   John's point such a great journey [TS]

00:26:49   because when you meet her first off you [TS]

00:26:50   don't know whether she is the focus [TS]

00:26:52   because there's this horselord hurt her [TS]

00:26:54   brother right Harry Lloyd place her [TS]

00:26:56   brother and you think well he's the he's [TS]

00:26:58   the dragon he's gonna come back and she [TS]

00:27:00   and she gets sold to the horse Lord and [TS]

00:27:03   she basically gets raped on her wedding [TS]

00:27:05   night your it was what the hell is this [TS]

00:27:07   and by the end she has basically kicked [TS]

00:27:10   everybody's ass and and I I think it's a [TS]

00:27:12   great i think that was great casting she [TS]

00:27:14   was actually recast they were somebody [TS]

00:27:16   else in the pilot may they replaced her [TS]

00:27:18   and in the end I think that was a great [TS]

00:27:22   character but I you know i'm i'm curious [TS]

00:27:24   what you guys thought about that whole [TS]

00:27:25   really kind of separate story thread [TS]

00:27:27   that was going on throughout you know I [TS]

00:27:29   was really skeptical about her at first [TS]

00:27:31   the actress in the first and the first [TS]

00:27:34   episode I was kind of like yeah I mean [TS]

00:27:36   she doesn't she's really get to say much [TS]

00:27:37   and but as the as the entire season [TS]

00:27:41   progressed I mean I would say the [TS]

00:27:43   actress crew as much as the character [TS]

00:27:45   and it was really kind of astonishing to [TS]

00:27:47   watch like you really believe that she [TS]

00:27:49   was transitioning from this naive [TS]

00:27:51   awkward girl into basically a queen what [TS]

00:27:54   you needed to be maybe she was just that [TS]

00:27:56   good i don't know but it's definitely [TS]

00:27:57   felt that progression [TS]

00:27:59   yeah i just never I was never sure if I [TS]

00:28:01   like to her not as a character in the [TS]

00:28:02   books and I still I feel very similarly [TS]

00:28:04   with John saying I feel very ambivalent [TS]

00:28:06   about her in many ways her whole [TS]

00:28:08   storyline is my least favorite part of [TS]

00:28:10   the books whenever whenever i'm reading [TS]

00:28:12   about her and just impatient to get back [TS]

00:28:14   to all this other stuff right right went [TS]

00:28:16   back to court and so injury so but money [TS]

00:28:18   so what you feel about it in the TV show [TS]

00:28:20   how did you feel less of that [TS]

00:28:21   yeah because watching somebody do it I [TS]

00:28:24   can't skip over it it in the book is [TS]

00:28:27   kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy [TS]

00:28:29   I read the first page to go oh this is [TS]

00:28:31   another dairy section so I've got 20 [TS]

00:28:33   pages of this boring flip flip flip [TS]

00:28:36   boring a teary and saying something cool [TS]

00:28:38   again remember the fun stuff but what I [TS]

00:28:40   want to sit down and watch it then it's [TS]

00:28:42   more fun [TS]

00:28:42   yeah there were some nice you know the [TS]

00:28:44   the horse people are again I'm calling [TS]

00:28:47   the horse people they're not half-man [TS]

00:28:49   half-horse they just ride horses but the [TS]

00:28:51   horse people and call Drogo which you [TS]

00:28:55   know another piece of good cast yeah [TS]

00:28:56   good casting [TS]

00:28:58   it's gonna be great as Conan don't you [TS]

00:28:59   think yeah it's very cold in and he [TS]

00:29:02   doesn't even get to speak a word from [TS]

00:29:04   what like two words of English on that i [TS]

00:29:06   was going on [TS]

00:29:08   well this right here they they hired a [TS]

00:29:11   linguist to invent the whole Dothraki [TS]

00:29:13   language so it is it like click on it is [TS]

00:29:15   this invented artificial variable intake [TS]

00:29:18   on bridge now it's not like going on [TS]

00:29:20   no well it means like Leon and in the [TS]

00:29:22   sense that they actually bought out the [TS]

00:29:23   whole grammar in the EMA and the dialect [TS]

00:29:25   and everything and didn't just sort of [TS]

00:29:27   like makeup wacky words to have them say [TS]

00:29:29   but that's the internet some interesting [TS]

00:29:31   playing on has a long and storied [TS]

00:29:33   history but this will see yes we'll see [TS]

00:29:36   if people are speaking to raqi and [TS]

00:29:37   whatever that's right i don't think [TS]

00:29:39   anyone should be going to dose rocky [TS]

00:29:40   camp in 20 years [TS]

00:29:42   no we'll see about that Scott we'll see [TS]

00:29:45   about that [TS]

00:29:46   any other thoughts about that storyline [TS]

00:29:48   i think that the you know I John were [TS]

00:29:51   you surprised at how that ended because [TS]

00:29:52   you know she was being set up to have [TS]

00:29:54   the baby without i thought i was telling [TS]

00:29:56   some of those eggs appeared and like [TS]

00:29:57   episode who you're kinda like the ball [TS]

00:29:59   you can see where this is your only with [TS]

00:30:01   the eggs yet the only thing that [TS]

00:30:03   surprised me is that I was surprised [TS]

00:30:06   that the Drogo dropped out as soon as he [TS]

00:30:08   did I you always knew that she would [TS]

00:30:09   grow it to be the queen and your stupid [TS]

00:30:11   eggs are gonna hatch instead of just [TS]

00:30:14   sitting there and every episode and you [TS]

00:30:15   knew that she would come into her power [TS]

00:30:17   or whatever when she's doing that [TS]

00:30:19   putting the egg and on the fire and [TS]

00:30:21   stuff like that but I thought Drogo [TS]

00:30:22   would be there alongside her because why [TS]

00:30:25   not i mean she could be a powerful Queen [TS]

00:30:26   alongside him and you know they could be [TS]

00:30:28   equals and rule together but it turns [TS]

00:30:30   out the horselords are not the [TS]

00:30:32   antibiotic Lord's and He ya somethin [TS]

00:30:35   nicely brutal about that that whole [TS]

00:30:37   section across the sea you were saying [TS]

00:30:40   that they started the Mediterranean I I [TS]

00:30:42   thought that the sets and the settings [TS]

00:30:45   who didn't look as impressive maybe it's [TS]

00:30:48   because they're harder to do it didn't [TS]

00:30:49   look as impressive as for example [TS]

00:30:51   Winterfell I guess maybe it's easier to [TS]

00:30:53   do stone castles and snow that it is to [TS]

00:30:55   do desert sand Sun in the Mediterranean [TS]

00:30:58   but it the cast felt the weaker there [TS]

00:31:01   weren't as many strong characters over [TS]

00:31:03   there across the sea that was like three [TS]

00:31:04   or four when you have like dozens on the [TS]

00:31:06   other side right and the settings looks [TS]

00:31:08   more kind of TV at but maybe they did [TS]

00:31:09   some stuff indoors [TS]

00:31:11   they should have done outdoors I don't [TS]

00:31:12   know what it was but that that threw me [TS]

00:31:14   off a little bit i did feel a little [TS]

00:31:15   like oh we're going across the sea well [TS]

00:31:16   that's not being that interesting but [TS]

00:31:18   one stroke or really started to become a [TS]

00:31:20   character and that interaction between [TS]

00:31:23   them started and you got the whiny [TS]

00:31:24   blonde dude out of the way with this [TS]

00:31:25   horrible dyed hair then across the same [TS]

00:31:28   stuff started to kyle and you know and [TS]

00:31:30   and it's i did like the fact that it was [TS]

00:31:32   this other it was like that was taking [TS]

00:31:34   place at the wall this other thing [TS]

00:31:36   that's an existential threat to the [TS]

00:31:38   games that are going on between the the [TS]

00:31:40   people who are fighting it out in their [TS]

00:31:41   little circle so you've got the wall [TS]

00:31:42   which we don't talk about much we have [TS]

00:31:44   head as he's doing across the sea and [TS]

00:31:45   there the outside threat that you have [TS]

00:31:48   to worry about the only people talking [TS]

00:31:49   about them is the what's-his-name the [TS]

00:31:50   ball dude and Kings Landing he's the [TS]

00:31:52   only one who seems even remotely [TS]

00:31:53   concerned that these guys are going to [TS]

00:31:54   come across the sea and and kill them [TS]

00:31:56   all right I think that's one of the nice [TS]

00:31:58   things about the setup right is this [TS]

00:31:59   multipolar world it's not as if they're [TS]

00:32:01   too cool you know that the the people of [TS]

00:32:04   Westeros are gonna clash with the people [TS]

00:32:05   across the sea because then there's the [TS]

00:32:07   wall and then they're fighting each [TS]

00:32:08   other and like I what's gonna happen Who [TS]

00:32:09   am I supposed to even pull for here it's [TS]

00:32:11   a mess [TS]

00:32:12   running to the Dragons it go your team [TS]

00:32:14   dragon go dragons I'm dragon alright and [TS]

00:32:18   a nice word about the court in general [TS]

00:32:20   which i think you know [TS]

00:32:21   marikar city as little finger and [TS]

00:32:25   whoever they got to play various i think [TS]

00:32:26   also also very apt casting and anytime [TS]

00:32:29   that I love that little guys together uh [TS]

00:32:30   yeah that always the last episode of [TS]

00:32:32   them that's cop was significant schemers [TS]

00:32:35   with the power behind the throne right [TS]

00:32:37   the people who know everybody and got [TS]

00:32:39   have everybody planted everywhere and [TS]

00:32:40   you know in the book I felt that that [TS]

00:32:44   was seeing that especially various but [TS]

00:32:46   seeing those two guys screaming like [TS]

00:32:48   that on on the screen felt more tangible [TS]

00:32:52   to me in some ways that like you know [TS]

00:32:54   because you can sort of see them hanging [TS]

00:32:55   back there at the edge of the scene you [TS]

00:32:57   know that they're up to something i [TS]

00:32:58   really like that I thought that was and [TS]

00:33:00   which one do you trust you [TS]

00:33:02   neither no no way now what about various [TS]

00:33:05   came across much more in much more [TS]

00:33:06   sympathetic to me in some ways I mean [TS]

00:33:08   despite the fact that you know they is [TS]

00:33:10   clearly you're still playing his own [TS]

00:33:12   game [TS]

00:33:13   you know what you know we don't get [TS]

00:33:14   quite the moment of like gasps betrayal [TS]

00:33:16   that we get from little finger right so [TS]

00:33:18   let's talk about the Lannisters before [TS]

00:33:21   we move move north seriously and Jay [TS]

00:33:24   me who don't four important characters [TS]

00:33:28   like Jaime Lannister doesn't have as [TS]

00:33:29   much screen time as I think that I [TS]

00:33:30   expected although I guess he just isn't [TS]

00:33:32   in the first book as much we see more of [TS]

00:33:34   him later no spoilers just you know [TS]

00:33:36   he'll be back more than through other [TS]

00:33:38   people's eyes right it rise the King's [TS]

00:33:41   lair whatever the good good good casting [TS]

00:33:44   on those I thought those the actors were [TS]

00:33:45   both perfectly reasonable quite as our [TS]

00:33:47   cost Sarah Connor did a great job but [TS]

00:33:49   you can tell from Jaime Lannister's hair [TS]

00:33:51   what character he is instantly like [TS]

00:33:55   everybody else is many evil and most of [TS]

00:33:58   the guys have like sean bean doesn't [TS]

00:34:01   change how people can't shave it's just [TS]

00:34:04   that manly the stubble is just cannot be [TS]

00:34:06   destroyed but Jaime Lannister walks in [TS]

00:34:08   his hair is perfect he's got gleaming [TS]

00:34:10   armor he's a pretty boy pretty boy with [TS]

00:34:12   a good sort and yeah yeah he's he's he's [TS]

00:34:15   a sharp one [TS]

00:34:16   so but that yeah and he was what she [TS]

00:34:20   Sarah Connor and he was New Amsterdam [TS]

00:34:22   write the answer in fox fox actors from [TS]

00:34:25   cancelled fox series now welcome to HBO [TS]

00:34:28   stepping and the little bit of Tywin [TS]

00:34:31   that we get we don't get much of him but [TS]

00:34:34   that only was my favorite [TS]

00:34:36   here's my favorite Lannister because his [TS]

00:34:37   introduction scene where he's cleaning [TS]

00:34:39   an animal there are ya [TS]

00:34:41   oh isn't it you know it's like here's a [TS]

00:34:43   new character and you're gonna have [TS]

00:34:44   you're gonna have to watch him yelling [TS]

00:34:45   at his son [TS]

00:34:46   well i think was the son wherever he was [TS]

00:34:48   used yelling at while he cleans animal [TS]

00:34:50   he was skimming a stag because it's [TS]

00:34:52   symbolic sigh symbolic of Robert I just [TS]

00:34:56   thought it was a good that was a good [TS]

00:34:58   intro to the world because it you know [TS]

00:35:00   present viewer they're assuming that [TS]

00:35:02   you're going to be put off by the fact [TS]

00:35:04   is clean this animal but you're also [TS]

00:35:06   supposed to understand to the characters [TS]

00:35:07   in the world this is this is about as [TS]

00:35:09   dramatic is talking to someone with a [TS]

00:35:10   sip a cup of coffee because this is just [TS]

00:35:11   what you do in this world you know no [TS]

00:35:13   one no one else in that scene was upset [TS]

00:35:15   by him clean animal except you're like [TS]

00:35:17   the rich he's the richest guy in the [TS]

00:35:19   Seven Kingdoms like he could have [TS]

00:35:20   someone do that for him right [TS]

00:35:22   like it means something that he does it [TS]

00:35:24   himself matter of principle here you [TS]

00:35:26   want it done right [TS]

00:35:27   he's like that kind of guy echoes Ned [TS]

00:35:29   coming off the head of the deserter [TS]

00:35:32   right i mean it's not like I'm gonna do [TS]

00:35:33   this myself [TS]

00:35:34   this is my business so uh we should also [TS]

00:35:37   talk a moment about [TS]

00:35:38   mark addy as King Robert who again meets [TS]

00:35:41   an untimely end killed by a pig but in [TS]

00:35:44   in the scenes that he has damn Cubs I [TS]

00:35:47   Westeros pd I I thought about the wire I [TS]

00:35:53   thought mark addy was was really good I [TS]

00:35:56   liked him as the kind of you know king [TS]

00:35:59   who maybe he's got regrets he has a few [TS]

00:36:02   but then again he's fat and happy and [TS]

00:36:05   drunk and has a you know beautiful wife [TS]

00:36:07   who hates them and whatever go to esa [TS]

00:36:10   see a word about that scene the scene [TS]

00:36:12   with him in searcy where they talk about [TS]

00:36:15   the fact that their marriages hold right [TS]

00:36:16   which is not in the book [TS]

00:36:18   no but it was such an awesome to see man [TS]

00:36:20   let me leave that brief view of man if [TS]

00:36:24   things had been different right like [TS]

00:36:26   maybe this wouldn't have been so unhappy [TS]

00:36:27   and maybe next week a lot of terrible [TS]

00:36:29   things wouldn't happen but that was the [TS]

00:36:31   way that it was meant to be and that's [TS]

00:36:32   how it happened that made Cersei more [TS]

00:36:35   sympathetic to the other scene where you [TS]

00:36:37   see that he's not a pure evil caricature [TS]

00:36:40   you know the only thing that keeps [TS]

00:36:42   bringing me back to Jamie and seriously [TS]

00:36:44   being evils of the incest think it's [TS]

00:36:46   hard to look at last throwing the kid [TS]

00:36:48   out the window [TS]

00:36:49   well that's understandable that kid was [TS]

00:36:52   annoying let's face it yet that was [TS]

00:36:53   protect that was part of that was part [TS]

00:36:55   of the incest thing where you know [TS]

00:36:57   they're trying to protect their secrets [TS]

00:36:58   just like that taint install their [TS]

00:37:02   characters the Lannisters what a great [TS]

00:37:05   family the right you get tie when you [TS]

00:37:07   got teary and you got Jamie ah i have to [TS]

00:37:11   say a short thing about I about Tyrians [TS]

00:37:16   entourage in the later episodes because [TS]

00:37:18   LeBron this onward on Iran is a greater [TS]

00:37:21   Braun is very well cast and Shey but it [TS]

00:37:24   was completely different want to how I [TS]

00:37:27   pictured her in the books completely [TS]

00:37:28   different personality completely [TS]

00:37:30   different look completely different type [TS]

00:37:31   so i was very kind of taken aback the [TS]

00:37:33   first time isn't she more of just kind [TS]

00:37:35   of along for the ride Tyrion is is fond [TS]

00:37:38   of a of a horror and that's how I read [TS]

00:37:41   in the books and the in the TV show she [TS]

00:37:43   is super sharp [TS]

00:37:45   uh-huh well i mean i think you get to [TS]

00:37:47   some [TS]

00:37:47   some extent that she's a little bit [TS]

00:37:49   sharp in the books but she seems foolish [TS]

00:37:52   in a way where it's more she she read to [TS]

00:37:54   me in the books is more of like a [TS]

00:37:56   California valley girl horse right or [TS]

00:37:59   she's just like I want pretty things i [TS]

00:38:01   want to be you know etcetera and in [TS]

00:38:05   actuality in the teeth the television [TS]

00:38:06   show makes me love this character she's [TS]

00:38:09   more like a college professor of course [TS]

00:38:11   yeah exactly I'm not know but I [TS]

00:38:14   sometimes I think there's some depth at [TS]

00:38:15   that you that the characters in the TV [TS]

00:38:17   in the in the book series they grow over [TS]

00:38:19   time and you that you have these [TS]

00:38:20   unexplored depths but seeing them on [TS]

00:38:22   screen [TS]

00:38:23   I think the producers almost have to [TS]

00:38:24   make the decision to show some of that [TS]

00:38:26   stuff up front because otherwise it will [TS]

00:38:28   make sense later as soon as they grow [TS]

00:38:30   the depth so they're like we're going to [TS]

00:38:32   show that she has depth up front because [TS]

00:38:33   we can't do it later we gotta do right [TS]

00:38:34   by it and you get the idea that she [TS]

00:38:36   needs to be a little least somewhat [TS]

00:38:38   sharp in order to why would he bring her [TS]

00:38:40   Syrians yet to catch Syrians fancy the [TS]

00:38:42   way that's his i right [TS]

00:38:44   yeah because he's a super sharp guy [TS]

00:38:45   himself so far on the show I'm not even [TS]

00:38:47   convinced Shae is a whore she hasn't [TS]

00:38:50   said she was she denied everything [TS]

00:38:51   Tyrion said about her and all we know is [TS]

00:38:55   that Braun took her from someone else in [TS]

00:38:57   the camp [TS]

00:38:58   oh right ok that's true she heard she's [TS]

00:39:01   sort of mysterious the network she said [TS]

00:39:03   she's an independent business she is [TS]

00:39:04   right she [TS]

00:39:06   hey she's just she's out there stand [TS]

00:39:08   alive right [TS]

00:39:09   the tough world out there in Westeros [TS]

00:39:12   that scene where they're like that let's [TS]

00:39:15   play the truth and the truth game where [TS]

00:39:18   I where I determine things about your [TS]

00:39:20   past that's not a scene from the books [TS]

00:39:22   as i recall and that's fantastic [TS]

00:39:24   ya know they as as the series got going [TS]

00:39:27   to you felt that they got more confident [TS]

00:39:29   in taking some liberties that actually [TS]

00:39:32   serve the story better [TS]

00:39:34   yeah i mean like that whole scene with [TS]

00:39:35   Renly in the night flowers i think that [TS]

00:39:37   was haha you know that there's whole [TS]

00:39:41   pages on the on the on the game of [TS]

00:39:43   thrones wiki about speculating about the [TS]

00:39:46   sexuality of Renly and the knight of [TS]

00:39:48   flowers and and the event in the wow so [TS]

00:39:50   it is not that one down so it's like [TS]

00:39:52   well actually we can confirm that [TS]

00:39:55   with Sally defect but they don't have [TS]

00:39:57   half the sweetly they don't hey sorry [TS]

00:40:00   I'm sorry he's coming next summer watch [TS]

00:40:02   out rapid sweetling is gonna be in there [TS]

00:40:04   yeah so let's move north let's go to [TS]

00:40:07   Winterfell virtually of course because [TS]

00:40:10   Winterfell is made up with like the rest [TS]

00:40:11   of these books but let's just let's [TS]

00:40:13   shift the scene and talk about the start [TS]

00:40:15   kids and we'll talk about catlin to any [TS]

00:40:18   thoughts about how the Winterfell stuff [TS]

00:40:21   played out for brand is broken I easy is [TS]

00:40:26   pretty good too i kind of have these [TS]

00:40:27   dreams though know there's a three-eyed [TS]

00:40:30   crow at least brands on the show how do [TS]

00:40:32   you think Rick and feels about all this [TS]

00:40:34   he gets a couple scenes he's in his [TS]

00:40:36   wandering around in the tombs [TS]

00:40:37   yeah my wife said my wife said is that [TS]

00:40:40   is that the other kid I said yes that's [TS]

00:40:42   finally the other kid he's he's shown [TS]

00:40:44   very early on but not yet he does not [TS]

00:40:46   get a lot of he doesn't get a lot of [TS]

00:40:47   time in the book either know he's the [TS]

00:40:49   baby right like he's kind of build you [TS]

00:40:51   know the book has a few more scene for [TS]

00:40:53   he's mentioned though like Kaitlyn is [TS]

00:40:55   sitting by brand side Rob comes to her [TS]

00:40:59   and says you have to do something [TS]

00:41:01   Rick and is down there with the wolves [TS]

00:41:04   and he's going crazy and they just cut [TS]

00:41:06   that completely out [TS]

00:41:08   let him go in the book in the book you [TS]

00:41:11   know you introduce yourself to the to [TS]

00:41:13   the stark family and you can sit there [TS]

00:41:14   and all right [TS]

00:41:15   ok so there's many kids and these are [TS]

00:41:17   the names right got it got it where the [TS]

00:41:18   TV show you know they'd be the first [TS]

00:41:21   episode of there like all these kids and [TS]

00:41:23   the percentage everywhere and then there [TS]

00:41:25   and there's the ward and the bastard and [TS]

00:41:27   you're like who were they and which one [TS]

00:41:29   is he again and so by the time you get [TS]

00:41:31   to the end you like o.o is there another [TS]

00:41:33   one all right I know it's a little boy [TS]

00:41:35   is the only one is he the only one in [TS]

00:41:37   the book that we don't get up POV from I [TS]

00:41:40   think they're out of the kids what do we [TS]

00:41:43   get Rob I can't remember i feel like we [TS]

00:41:44   often brother no I don't think we get [TS]

00:41:46   rather actually but all the rest of them [TS]

00:41:48   you know Sansa area [TS]

00:41:50   John brand we get we get we see through [TS]

00:41:53   their eyes [TS]

00:41:54   well let's talk about Rob Rob in the [TS]

00:41:56   book is younger and HTM up because a lot [TS]

00:41:59   of this stuff sort of you know showing [TS]

00:42:01   14 year olds going off to war isthmus as [TS]

00:42:04   a it i think it's a good decision and I [TS]

00:42:07   thought that Rob actually came across [TS]

00:42:09   being a much more interesting and like s [TS]

00:42:10   character in the in the in the show [TS]

00:42:13   right he's very bland in the books right [TS]

00:42:15   mhm i agree i think I I felt much more [TS]

00:42:18   sympathy for him as portrayed on screen [TS]

00:42:21   than I did when the books where it comes [TS]

00:42:23   across more if they well my dad's not [TS]

00:42:25   here I guess I got to be the man of the [TS]

00:42:27   house you know he didn't he felt very [TS]

00:42:29   bland especially when you put him up [TS]

00:42:30   against John who is considered you know [TS]

00:42:33   who has considerably more depth to him [TS]

00:42:35   or at least more x well when they only [TS]

00:42:37   when they begin chanting the king of the [TS]

00:42:38   north the king of the north right you [TS]

00:42:39   actually can come see how he's won this [TS]

00:42:41   victory and he and he very clearly had [TS]

00:42:44   the good idea and why all these guys who [TS]

00:42:47   are his father's Bannerman would pledge [TS]

00:42:48   they're basically allegiance to [TS]

00:42:50   following the Civil War it it feels that [TS]

00:42:52   much more realistic than I I sort of [TS]

00:42:54   felt in the book where I thought the [TS]

00:42:56   scene Matthew where you and I don't [TS]

00:42:57   remember if this is in the book enough [TS]

00:42:59   of the scene where he deals to with the [TS]

00:43:00   his father's death where Caitlin goes [TS]

00:43:03   out and finds him [TS]

00:43:04   oh yeah you know whacking on the tree [TS]

00:43:05   with that sword I don't know that it [TS]

00:43:07   like I thought that was actually an [TS]

00:43:08   affecting seen I thought catlin didn't [TS]

00:43:11   get as many scenes as I expected her to [TS]

00:43:13   get in the first season of of the TV [TS]

00:43:15   shows that you know III she's such a [TS]

00:43:17   memorable character for me and and yet [TS]

00:43:20   you know she doesn't have a lot she goes [TS]

00:43:23   to the area her sister's crazy you know [TS]

00:43:25   she takes Jamie hostage [TS]

00:43:27   she goes you know she goes back to see [TS]

00:43:29   her son yeah you know I thought the [TS]

00:43:31   actress was good but it was kind of [TS]

00:43:33   disappointing that you just have more to [TS]

00:43:34   do [TS]

00:43:35   she came unanchored once Ned separated [TS]

00:43:38   from her if I like in races the two of [TS]

00:43:40   them together you saw how they worked as [TS]

00:43:41   a unit and then they got separated and [TS]

00:43:44   she did a little bit of crazy initiative [TS]

00:43:46   thing stealing Tyrion on her own but [TS]

00:43:48   then after that she was kind of on more [TS]

00:43:50   than just floating around and then she [TS]

00:43:51   reconnected with her son and that kind [TS]

00:43:55   of they joined back together as a unit [TS]

00:43:56   but on her own [TS]

00:43:57   I cheap as a free agent in this series [TS]

00:44:00   she seemed like she was kinda rattling [TS]

00:44:01   around [TS]

00:44:02   yes she's mostly an observer the only [TS]

00:44:05   time I remember her really being the [TS]

00:44:07   active protagonist of a subplot is with [TS]

00:44:09   Tyrion and that got shortened a lot for [TS]

00:44:12   the series i was thinking about earlier [TS]

00:44:14   we need to be talked a little bit in [TS]

00:44:16   there in our book podcast about this but [TS]

00:44:17   I still speaking as only read the book I [TS]

00:44:20   anytime you knew what was going to [TS]

00:44:22   happen [TS]

00:44:22   because anytime somebody was like don't [TS]

00:44:24   worry we'll talk about this next time i [TS]

00:44:25   see you and you're just like oh god no [TS]

00:44:28   you're never gonna see them again so [TS]

00:44:30   there's that painful scene where Ned [TS]

00:44:31   talk to Jon Snow and he says I'll [TS]

00:44:32   explain about your mother when we next [TS]

00:44:35   meet [TS]

00:44:36   I laughed out loud at sea not gonna [TS]

00:44:39   happen felt really bad though and they [TS]

00:44:41   help them together with a dozen Benjamin [TS]

00:44:43   say that before rides off beyond the [TS]

00:44:44   wall [TS]

00:44:45   yeah yeah we'll talk about this later [TS]

00:44:47   we'll talk about this later [TS]

00:44:48   that's usually a bad sign yeah he's not [TS]

00:44:50   coming back so and so let's talk about [TS]

00:44:54   the wall right so the wall [TS]

00:44:55   first off I thought the way they [TS]

00:44:58   portrayed it was really you know they [TS]

00:45:00   showed the wall right which is this part [TS]

00:45:02   concept in the book its enormous and [TS]

00:45:04   it's kind of an impossible thing and how [TS]

00:45:07   could you ever show it and and you know [TS]

00:45:08   by golly there's a gigantic wall there [TS]

00:45:11   it is a great wall that's a great ice [TS]

00:45:15   it's alright alright I seem better about [TS]

00:45:19   such a such a unique set i like i like [TS]

00:45:22   the elevator [TS]

00:45:22   I like the elevator that they go up in [TS]

00:45:24   the tunnel the way they portray the [TS]

00:45:25   tunnel going through it [TS]

00:45:26   I don't know it's it feels it feels [TS]

00:45:28   realistic although maybe a little bit [TS]

00:45:30   like like he walks built it that [TS]

00:45:31   elevator is operated by one guy pushing [TS]

00:45:33   a stick [TS]

00:45:34   they can't put a donkey on the head or [TS]

00:45:36   something it's called mechanical [TS]

00:45:37   advantage of cold air discovered it in [TS]

00:45:40   this world monkeys it reminded me of the [TS]

00:45:42   the elevator from the wise man's fear [TS]

00:45:44   speaking of the book and they had a big [TS]

00:45:46   walleye get going up and down with the [TS]

00:45:47   universe car and stuff like that [TS]

00:45:49   alright similarly not impractical [TS]

00:45:52   elevator technology that just [TS]

00:45:54   miraculously works [TS]

00:45:55   apparently they have they have steps but [TS]

00:45:57   you know take they don't some people are [TS]

00:46:00   likely i like the I think they did a [TS]

00:46:02   great job with characterizing the other [TS]

00:46:04   inhabitants of the other members of the [TS]

00:46:06   Night Watch especially John's circle of [TS]

00:46:08   friends though they don't get a lot of [TS]

00:46:09   time they get you get an idea of how [TS]

00:46:12   important they are especially in that [TS]

00:46:13   last episode where he wants to write off [TS]

00:46:14   and go join Rob and they're the ones who [TS]

00:46:18   drawn drawn back [TS]

00:46:20   i I really I kind of enjoyed them and I [TS]

00:46:23   enjoyed the old bear who i think it was [TS]

00:46:26   again well cast as the as the Lord [TS]

00:46:29   Commander and you kind of that whole [TS]

00:46:32   relationship there right it's very it's [TS]

00:46:34   a very interesting because he's very you [TS]

00:46:35   know [TS]

00:46:36   he's kind of set apart from the rest of [TS]

00:46:38   them because even though he's a bastard [TS]

00:46:39   he's you know the son of Lord you know [TS]

00:46:42   they've got that all that that that [TS]

00:46:44   tension between him and the guy was like [TS]

00:46:46   the arms training even though like John [TS]

00:46:48   clearly knows what he's doing and I [TS]

00:46:49   don't know I I enjoyed the scenes at the [TS]

00:46:51   wall and a weight given that they're [TS]

00:46:53   disconnected like like that money was [TS]

00:46:55   saying about you know the across the sea [TS]

00:46:57   stuff being like I I guess get through [TS]

00:46:59   that I mean I feel confident you know [TS]

00:47:00   separately even though this is also sort [TS]

00:47:02   of removed from the main intrigue it [TS]

00:47:05   plays in a little more and it still held [TS]

00:47:07   my interest in a way that the narrow [TS]

00:47:09   across the Narrow Sea stuff did not the [TS]

00:47:12   whole concept of the Nights Watch is the [TS]

00:47:13   place where as we said earlier the dregs [TS]

00:47:15   of the of the culture get get dropped i [TS]

00:47:18   think it's interesting to be you have [TS]

00:47:19   these younger characters who gets it [TS]

00:47:21   there for various things that are you [TS]

00:47:23   know they're not hardened criminals they [TS]

00:47:25   they are bastards or unwanted war damn [TS]

00:47:28   Gamgee [TS]

00:47:28   yeah and Sam Carly Carly is totally [TS]

00:47:31   different [TS]

00:47:32   Samwell in that Samwise said yeah maybe [TS]

00:47:35   possibly right and so they're the ones [TS]

00:47:36   who they're the ones who we come to like [TS]

00:47:39   because they they're not the the dregs [TS]

00:47:41   of the culture they're just down there [TS]

00:47:44   lock or made a bad choice and and now [TS]

00:47:47   here they are and Sam's a great [TS]

00:47:48   character so great they you know took [TS]

00:47:52   him from Tolkien and ran random [TS]

00:47:54   read/write back in Jon Snow is my [TS]

00:47:56   favorite I think character in the books [TS]

00:47:58   and so I thought I thought he was I [TS]

00:48:01   thought that he was handled pretty well [TS]

00:48:03   and sort of appropriately not getting it [TS]

00:48:05   at several points like when he's made [TS]

00:48:07   named the steward for the Lord Commander [TS]

00:48:09   and is all upset about it before his [TS]

00:48:11   friend says dude you're being groomed [TS]

00:48:13   right you you know that right [TS]

00:48:15   no he's not that smart little people on [TS]

00:48:18   the show can do with some grooming haha [TS]

00:48:21   yeah comb anyone either he's still too [TS]

00:48:24   he still a little bit too too pretty [TS]

00:48:26   his hairs all it's still human Rob both [TS]

00:48:28   a little bit to get too pretty [TS]

00:48:30   it's the windswept North it makes their [TS]

00:48:33   their hair their just naturally curly ok [TS]

00:48:36   also so John did you get that the [TS]

00:48:40   commander of the night's watch at the [TS]

00:48:42   wall is the father of terraces night who [TS]

00:48:47   helps her out and prevents her from [TS]

00:48:48   being poisoned [TS]

00:48:49   I not get that from the show what I was [TS]

00:48:53   going to mention those speaking of the [TS]

00:48:55   the guys in the armor basically the big [TS]

00:48:58   man armor you've got Jamie you've got [TS]

00:49:00   the captain of the Kingsguard who fails [TS]

00:49:03   to protect the king from the boar you've [TS]

00:49:05   got the guy at the the the Nights Watch [TS]

00:49:09   the head of the Nights Watch guy all [TS]

00:49:11   those actors and whoever designed the [TS]

00:49:14   armor did such a good job because those [TS]

00:49:15   guys look like old-timey regimented [TS]

00:49:19   military men who are completely [TS]

00:49:22   comfortable in the armor and look larger [TS]

00:49:23   than life and 32 entirely different sets [TS]

00:49:26   of armor three entirely different [TS]

00:49:27   characters but I thought that the design [TS]

00:49:30   of those people those are possibly the [TS]

00:49:31   best traditional-looking nights I've [TS]

00:49:34   ever seen I didn't look like a bunch of [TS]

00:49:35   people wearing awkward night armor and [TS]

00:49:37   they all look bigger than life maybe [TS]

00:49:38   because they are bigger than I don't [TS]

00:49:39   know how big these guys actually are but [TS]

00:49:40   they look big on the screen you know [TS]

00:49:42   they're like giant some and everyone [TS]

00:49:44   else look like boys especially you know [TS]

00:49:46   the other the stark boys and everything [TS]

00:49:48   will probably are big men in their own [TS]

00:49:49   right [TS]

00:49:49   when next to these other men looks like [TS]

00:49:52   boys you know that was a great bit of [TS]

00:49:54   casting great but have set design and [TS]

00:49:55   those characters like they've never had [TS]

00:49:57   probably need to say anything that is [TS]

00:49:58   needed to just walk onto into the room [TS]

00:50:00   and have a graph expression sir [TS]

00:50:01   peristeri like saturday i love i love [TS]

00:50:03   his last scene when they when they make [TS]

00:50:05   him retire [TS]

00:50:07   it's just like yeah you know what screw [TS]

00:50:08   you yeah [TS]

00:50:10   oh you're gonna get a castle no I was [TS]

00:50:13   hoping he would kill all those guys in [TS]

00:50:14   the room haha instead of just say it you [TS]

00:50:17   know that but I was like sure he's going [TS]

00:50:19   to go out swinging out I kill all these [TS]

00:50:21   guys he lives to fight another day [TS]

00:50:22   instead mr. baston understand the bolt [TS]

00:50:27   okay well so we would take our little [TS]

00:50:29   virtual tour of north of the wall there [TS]

00:50:32   like nothing i'm sure there's nothing [TS]

00:50:33   interesting north of the wall probably [TS]

00:50:35   not notice the wildlings or whatever [TS]

00:50:38   they call them you get that one who [TS]

00:50:39   becomes a character you have a couple of [TS]

00:50:41   wildlings yeah the chick from harry [TS]

00:50:44   potter with the same haircut [TS]

00:50:47   yeah they make a real effort to have her [TS]

00:50:49   look at scraggly as possible to cheek [TS]

00:50:52   and she came around a little bit fast [TS]

00:50:53   for me in terms of they like your you [TS]

00:50:55   made me a prisoner whatever and then [TS]

00:50:56   like I don't know I felt like there was [TS]

00:50:58   a little more time in the books [TS]

00:50:59   developing the relationship between her [TS]

00:51:01   and brand before we go [TS]

00:51:03   like your body tried to kill me too i'm [TS]

00:51:05   gonna carry you around my shoulders like [TS]

00:51:07   they're gonna trust this written this [TS]

00:51:09   girl just survivor though that's what I [TS]

00:51:12   got from our character and the thing was [TS]

00:51:13   that that that red fine to me because [TS]

00:51:15   her whole like the whole existence is a [TS]

00:51:18   struggle for survival and she finds [TS]

00:51:19   herself a new situation she's not gonna [TS]

00:51:21   stubbornly cling to the way she used to [TS]

00:51:23   live just like well my buddies are dead [TS]

00:51:25   his where i am now going to make the [TS]

00:51:26   best of it she's a survivor social [TS]

00:51:28   immediately she has no particular [TS]

00:51:29   allegiance to anything except for the [TS]

00:51:32   ability to keep herself alive otherwise [TS]

00:51:33   she wouldn't have been a lot of the [TS]

00:51:34   other side of the wall you know [TS]

00:51:36   well however was in the book I had no [TS]

00:51:38   problem following yeah we get that [TS]

00:51:39   impression from her to from and we get a [TS]

00:51:41   couple mentions although very little [TS]

00:51:44   about Mance Rayder who become you know [TS]

00:51:46   was another character who comes in later [TS]

00:51:48   but like he meant he mentioned a couple [TS]

00:51:49   times as a throwaway one of the things [TS]

00:51:51   that i noticed beyond who is the ward / [TS]

00:51:56   hostage of dead but he's sort of like [TS]

00:51:58   been raised as one of the brothers he [TS]

00:52:00   goes to the village outside Winterfell [TS]

00:52:03   at two to do some explanatory dialogue [TS]

00:52:06   with a whore because that's what you [TS]

00:52:08   doing with zeros [TS]

00:52:09   yes as you do and and then there's [TS]

00:52:13   dialogue about the horror and he talked [TS]

00:52:15   to Jon Snow about her because she's a [TS]

00:52:18   redhead right and then and then she [TS]

00:52:21   declares that still see on she's bailing [TS]

00:52:24   out and she's going south and then like [TS]

00:52:26   she keeps she keeps showing up [TS]

00:52:29   it's like a running gag it's like there [TS]

00:52:31   are really only eight whores in Westeros [TS]

00:52:34   they have to move around [TS]

00:52:35   yeah you never you never seeing the a [TS]

00:52:37   towards West it's an old drinking some I [TS]

00:52:39   felt bad for her cause she was [TS]

00:52:40   apparently the very best horror in [TS]

00:52:42   Winterfell but as soon as she got down [TS]

00:52:44   to King's Landing she has to get fake [TS]

00:52:46   orgasm training [TS]

00:52:47   yeah she's yeah i'm going to university [TS]

00:52:50   though she's going to choose its [TS]

00:52:51   advanced techniques [TS]

00:52:53   she's she's coming called up from the [TS]

00:52:55   minors it shows how backward those North [TS]

00:52:57   men are they really just clueless about [TS]

00:53:00   that [TS]

00:53:01   did dad people feel about I mean it's an [TS]

00:53:04   HBO show right now I mean how people [TS]

00:53:06   feel about the let the the sex position [TS]

00:53:09   or the sex in general don't watch this [TS]

00:53:11   show on a plane [TS]

00:53:13   you and I had that one I want that one [TS]

00:53:16   episode where we're little fingers is [TS]

00:53:18   teaching and coaching them in and [TS]

00:53:20   expounding on his old history and why [TS]

00:53:22   he's so great in everything sitting on a [TS]

00:53:24   planet like I like putting that window [TS]

00:53:25   behind a bunch of other windows so i can [TS]

00:53:27   still listen to the dialogue me like [TS]

00:53:28   right isn't over yet but i really want [TS]

00:53:30   to watch the show [TS]

00:53:32   yeah this is not that kind of show [TS]

00:53:34   whatever it was it's it's strange as [TS]

00:53:37   somebody trained with you know current [TS]

00:53:39   standard commercial TV you get to those [TS]

00:53:41   scenes and you're like all right okay [TS]

00:53:43   but i mean it's it's it's it's you know [TS]

00:53:47   the book is not does not shy away from [TS]

00:53:48   the dome doesn't obviously United the [TS]

00:53:50   books are pretty graphic but they did [TS]

00:53:53   use those scenes for other things right [TS]

00:53:54   that the scenes generally will inform us [TS]

00:53:56   about character or explain something [TS]

00:53:58   about the world [TS]

00:53:59   yeah i was gonna have the scenes were [TS]

00:54:02   not very erotic they were all because [TS]

00:54:05   they were talking or doing some sort of [TS]

00:54:07   plot point or it was like a rape scene [TS]

00:54:09   or something like that they weren't love [TS]

00:54:11   scenes you know so even though there was [TS]

00:54:14   lots of nudity was mostly it was about [TS]

00:54:16   is off-putting as the violence you know [TS]

00:54:18   and matched up with that more or less [TS]

00:54:20   people being X people having their [TS]

00:54:21   bodies exploited people being attacked [TS]

00:54:23   with swords all kind of a piece [TS]

00:54:26   alright it was likely the only love [TS]

00:54:29   seeing that is like maybe Ned and his [TS]

00:54:31   wife in bed before he was going off to [TS]

00:54:33   King's Landing and all the only actual [TS]

00:54:35   relationship where there was any [TS]

00:54:36   affection mutual affection you know I [TS]

00:54:38   know they did it just lay there drug [TS]

00:54:40   engineers had a really emotional sex [TS]

00:54:43   scene at one point I guess so but it's [TS]

00:54:45   kind of like their relationship is [TS]

00:54:46   founded on i'm not i'm not a solid [TS]

00:54:49   foundation lets her on her being sold [TS]

00:54:52   yeah you can see it and I assume that [TS]

00:54:54   you know she figures out how to be a [TS]

00:54:56   wife to this strange mostly evil guy and [TS]

00:54:59   I'm assuming she's flour into a strange [TS]

00:55:02   somewhat Evil Queen dragon woman things [TS]

00:55:05   so she's not what I wasn't really yeah [TS]

00:55:07   that's the name of the second book to [TS]

00:55:09   the acclaimed director moment thing [TS]

00:55:10   yeah the best one really you don't want [TS]

00:55:13   to read the one after that because like [TS]

00:55:15   Marty said halfway through really how [TS]

00:55:17   long is this book I think that'll be two [TS]

00:55:20   seasons if they get to that I think [TS]

00:55:22   they've already confirmed that there [TS]

00:55:23   will be two seasons me and will be two [TS]

00:55:25   seasons but then i'm a little worried [TS]

00:55:27   about her [TS]

00:55:27   all these kids are gonna be once they [TS]

00:55:28   get to where the books are now like are [TS]

00:55:32   you can't keep passing as a boy i'm a [TS]

00:55:34   little worried that george RR martin if [TS]

00:55:36   you take six years to write every book [TS]

00:55:37   this material may just stop reading the [TS]

00:55:42   books and just write the last season [TS]

00:55:43   himself and that adapt it [TS]

00:55:45   there we go what about the Dragons at [TS]

00:55:47   the and John talked about it a little [TS]

00:55:49   bit how did that conform that's the big [TS]

00:55:52   moment at the end of the book and it's [TS]

00:55:54   the big moment at the end of the season [TS]

00:55:55   so how did that how did that work for [TS]

00:55:57   you guys there were some CGI dragons you [TS]

00:56:00   know when it wasn't as weird as it was [TS]

00:56:02   in the book but they're not nursing on [TS]

00:56:04   her right [TS]

00:56:05   yes that was the one that was the weird [TS]

00:56:07   but I was surprised you wanted it to be [TS]

00:56:09   as weird as it wasn't above this way [TS]

00:56:11   they got to cover up certain parts of [TS]

00:56:13   her body barely know the strategically [TS]

00:56:16   placed dragon I would just hold this [TS]

00:56:17   dragon in front of my crotch no reason [TS]

00:56:19   you have you have the scene in the book [TS]

00:56:21   were basically she supposed to be [TS]

00:56:23   stepping out of the flames with the [TS]

00:56:25   flames still going high with the Dragons [TS]

00:56:27   nursing at her breasts and I'm like well [TS]

00:56:29   you could have flames cover things are [TS]

00:56:31   fully and I mean it just the scene in [TS]

00:56:35   the movie in the in a television show [TS]

00:56:36   just wasn't as powerful to me where it [TS]

00:56:38   was just kind of like a walk up and no [TS]

00:56:40   she's alive day after and its light out [TS]

00:56:42   maybe it and we have yeah that was that [TS]

00:56:45   was a weird choice they really SAT and [TS]

00:56:47   waited for her to burn all evening like [TS]

00:56:49   they didn't question when she didn't [TS]

00:56:51   walk out so someone should go and get [TS]

00:56:53   her not me that I'm not touching that [TS]

00:56:55   you you know i think they went like some [TS]

00:56:58   saw a movie or something had some drinks [TS]

00:56:59   came back after yeah exactly [TS]

00:57:02   we went to Westeros to watch beheading [TS]

00:57:04   and then we came back after a few hours [TS]

00:57:06   you got to figure those people got tired [TS]

00:57:08   of just watching the flames and took a [TS]

00:57:10   nap [TS]

00:57:10   well i think that's that's what happened [TS]

00:57:12   right is that everybody went home and [TS]

00:57:13   they went to bed and then and then [TS]

00:57:15   somebody came running into guys guys I [TS]

00:57:17   was just walking past the pyre and [TS]

00:57:19   there's something moving over there come [TS]

00:57:20   on write it [TS]

00:57:21   let's go check it out yeah I I don't [TS]

00:57:24   know why they chose to do it that way i [TS]

00:57:25   don't know it didn't really add well [TS]

00:57:27   anything you gotta have dragged there [TS]

00:57:29   are no no real depth dragons are [TS]

00:57:31   available right so no i mean like you [TS]

00:57:33   know that know that the fire at the fire [TS]

00:57:34   that's changing it from the book was a [TS]

00:57:36   real [TS]

00:57:37   higher well the cgi dragons are very [TS]

00:57:40   expensive so you do have fire or CGI [TS]

00:57:43   dragons and they pick the Dragons you [TS]

00:57:45   should hear the Dragons demands in their [TS]

00:57:46   trailers when I picture the scene in the [TS]

00:57:49   books in my head it felt a lot like a [TS]

00:57:52   scene out of Terminator 2 where you have [TS]

00:57:54   the flames and then she walked for sleep [TS]

00:57:57   right with with dragons nursing on her [TS]

00:57:59   brand ready-to-wear destroy another one [TS]

00:58:01   yeah that's exactly right exactly right [TS]

00:58:04   it's up now is like a look we forgot you [TS]

00:58:06   were here hey you're naked you have [TS]

00:58:07   dragon in some ways it makes her more [TS]

00:58:09   powerful system or something but make [TS]

00:58:11   sure it it makes me feel like she's [TS]

00:58:13   softer in some way like it she's because [TS]

00:58:15   she you know rather than walking out of [TS]

00:58:18   the fires they kind of pull a schizo so [TS]

00:58:21   this is how all the Turk Arians make [TS]

00:58:24   have the have that beautiful healthy [TS]

00:58:26   skin is they just fire [TS]

00:58:29   it's a great day that makes you a tan it [TS]

00:58:31   gives you let me tell you and then you [TS]

00:58:32   rub a dragon on you and your friend and [TS]

00:58:36   she looked more vulnerable when they [TS]

00:58:37   found it was kind of like she was in the [TS]

00:58:39   speaking of Terminator like a terminator [TS]

00:58:40   one with the naked dude in the Crouch [TS]

00:58:42   after the lightning you know kind of [TS]

00:58:44   your vulnerable when you come through is [TS]

00:58:45   a even the Terminator machine looks [TS]

00:58:47   vulnerable they just crunched up in a [TS]

00:58:49   little ball no clothes or anything and [TS]

00:58:51   not knowing what the book scene was I [TS]

00:58:53   thought doing it in the early morning [TS]

00:58:54   light was just kind of dirty and and [TS]

00:58:56   comes up from the dirt with with no [TS]

00:58:58   clothes on looking kind of vulnerable [TS]

00:59:00   even though she's got these little sea [TS]

00:59:01   dragons flitting around her [TS]

00:59:03   I thought it worked fine mean it the [TS]

00:59:05   main message you're trying to get across [TS]

00:59:06   was that you had to what you had to do [TS]

00:59:09   in terms of the TV show was a show that [TS]

00:59:12   she had been transformed and more [TS]

00:59:14   importantly show why should anyone ever [TS]

00:59:16   follower because up until then they were [TS]

00:59:17   just following her because she was [TS]

00:59:19   Drogo's life and after that she really [TS]

00:59:22   had nothing and everyone just left and [TS]

00:59:24   the only way you're thinking like well [TS]

00:59:26   this character is going to be out of the [TS]

00:59:27   series because her big strong guys left [TS]

00:59:28   and she is not as an individual [TS]

00:59:32   impressive enough to make anyone ever [TS]

00:59:33   follower but going into a giant fire and [TS]

00:59:36   then coming out alive a dragon your [TS]

00:59:37   shoulder gonna get up doing grace [TS]

00:59:39   yeah I will sign up for that whatever [TS]

00:59:42   you do in right you're up and doesn't [TS]

00:59:45   have to be out of the actual flames to [TS]

00:59:47   say we saw her burn and then she came [TS]

00:59:48   out with dragon so we're working [TS]

00:59:50   all this lady a good idea everytime [TS]

00:59:52   everytime she starts cooking things [TS]

00:59:54   people are like dragons [TS]

00:59:55   yeah there could be more direct way off [TS]

00:59:57   now and extra dragons on that place [TS]

00:59:57   now and extra dragons on that place [TS]

01:00:00   right i'd like two eggs sunny-side up [TS]

01:00:01   and a drag to go side so I'm let's in [TS]

01:00:07   wrapping up with just look back at the [TS]

01:00:09   at this first season as a whole and well [TS]

01:00:12   I just want to ask how you feel [TS]

01:00:14   we will be satisfied we are happy was it [TS]

01:00:16   a was a good experience you get the big [TS]

01:00:18   old thumbs up [TS]

01:00:19   let's start with Monty who had to [TS]

01:00:20   laborious Lee recap every episode of [TS]

01:00:24   Game of Thrones I liked it a lot [TS]

01:00:28   turns out it's a hard shoulder recap [TS]

01:00:29   because it's harder to make fun of good [TS]

01:00:31   shows no true blood will tell you that [TS]

01:00:34   haha [TS]

01:00:36   uh-huh enough John what about you [TS]

01:00:40   I give it a big thumbs up i think is [TS]

01:00:41   probably my favorite new series of of [TS]

01:00:44   this season and and actually my favorite [TS]

01:00:46   HBO series than watching a few other HBO [TS]

01:00:49   series [TS]

01:00:50   I it met my expectations when they [TS]

01:00:54   exceeded my expectations are exceeded [TS]

01:00:55   them in some ways but I had high [TS]

01:00:57   expectations for the show at but the [TS]

01:00:59   other thing as I knew the the books I [TS]

01:01:01   knew I probably would never read them [TS]

01:01:02   because i have kind of a middling [TS]

01:01:04   tolerance for big honking fantasy novels [TS]

01:01:07   at this point in my life and I probably [TS]

01:01:09   never read that but I said they're gonna [TS]

01:01:11   make an HBO series i trust these guys [TS]

01:01:12   and the actors look great and actually [TS]

01:01:14   like don't make it into something [TS]

01:01:15   compelling and they did you know some [TS]

01:01:19   things are better than I thought there [TS]

01:01:20   would be other things we were you know a [TS]

01:01:22   little bit below the level of excitement [TS]

01:01:25   I I thought they would be [TS]

01:01:26   I don't know why I thought that's what i [TS]

01:01:27   thought they would be slightly less [TS]

01:01:28   political intrigue and slightly more [TS]

01:01:30   battling with swords but overall very [TS]

01:01:32   happy big thumbs-up can wait as a lot of [TS]

01:01:34   sort battling especially big battle [TS]

01:01:36   scenes they have some opportunities and [TS]

01:01:38   made it instead they hit Tyrion in the [TS]

01:01:40   head with a hammer saves money [TS]

01:01:45   this is true what they had to CGI dragon [TS]

01:01:46   to pay for read what about you i loved [TS]

01:01:49   it i was very satisfied of the i think i [TS]

01:01:53   was hooked pretty much by the second [TS]

01:01:54   episode and I'm very curious to see [TS]

01:01:56   where they go with the second book and [TS]

01:01:58   see if they can kind of keep this [TS]

01:02:00   ramping because I definitely like in [TS]

01:02:01   terms of books i think i started liking [TS]

01:02:05   the series a lot more after I got [TS]

01:02:07   through the first book so I wonder if [TS]

01:02:09   this trend will continue on television [TS]

01:02:12   and if they will be able to keep up the [TS]

01:02:14   budget and keep up the quality [TS]

01:02:15   especially if things get crazy that some [TS]

01:02:18   encouraging signs for those who haven't [TS]

01:02:20   read the books that you actually think [TS]

01:02:22   it gets better as it goes so well I've [TS]

01:02:25   set the second book gets better [TS]

01:02:27   yeah i'm not talking about the third and [TS]

01:02:29   fourth I like I I actually like the [TS]

01:02:30   third book but I didn't realize at some [TS]

01:02:32   point that it was a billion pages long [TS]

01:02:34   and care about you what's your verdict [TS]

01:02:36   and I feel maybe a little hungry smack [TS]

01:02:40   no I I you know I I've been waiting for [TS]

01:02:43   the show to come out for a really long [TS]

01:02:44   time a good friend of mine from college [TS]

01:02:46   is not unit doesn't keep as much tabs on [TS]

01:02:48   the television seen as say i do but he [TS]

01:02:51   loves these books and so when I told [TS]

01:02:52   them that they were making the short of [TS]

01:02:53   it he would like bug me like every six [TS]

01:02:55   months the house game of thrones going [TS]

01:02:56   in like literally it's been like four [TS]

01:02:58   years in the making or something so I [TS]

01:03:00   remember you know really every time I [TS]

01:03:02   see a news thing across my desk at like [TS]

01:03:03   send it to a book they're getting closer [TS]

01:03:05   and so to actually get here it feels [TS]

01:03:06   like you know you're worried that it's [TS]

01:03:08   got hyped up too much and so I think I [TS]

01:03:11   went into the first episode feeling a [TS]

01:03:12   little bit like man maybe my [TS]

01:03:13   expectations are too high and and you [TS]

01:03:15   know I i don't think i was necessarily [TS]

01:03:17   hooked from the get-go but yet [TS]

01:03:20   definitely by the by a couple episodes [TS]

01:03:21   in I was fully caught up in the store [TS]

01:03:24   again even knowing you know what's going [TS]

01:03:26   to happen you know it's been awhile [TS]

01:03:28   since i've read the books and so it took [TS]

01:03:30   some time for me to remember certain [TS]

01:03:32   scenes but like when you would get that [TS]

01:03:34   I flash about man i know it's coming but [TS]

01:03:36   still to see it played out in front of [TS]

01:03:38   you and brought to life and such a great [TS]

01:03:41   fashion with such high production values [TS]

01:03:42   great cast all that really you know it [TS]

01:03:45   i'd give it a thumbs up i think it was [TS]

01:03:47   it was well done and I agree with John [TS]

01:03:49   one of my favorite series of all right [TS]

01:03:50   and Scott what do you think [TS]

01:03:52   but i have mentioned before on this [TS]

01:03:55   podcast that I when I read books I [TS]

01:03:57   almost immediately completely forget [TS]

01:03:59   everything about them so i read the game [TS]

01:04:02   of thrones a long time ago and watching [TS]

01:04:04   this show i really had very little idea [TS]

01:04:07   what was going on because i'm a moron [TS]

01:04:09   apparently I XO it was I enjoyed getting [TS]

01:04:12   reintroduced to the characters which is [TS]

01:04:14   useful because the new book is coming [TS]

01:04:16   out and I had no idea that the show was [TS]

01:04:19   coming out at all until so I think [TS]

01:04:22   someone email that about our [TS]

01:04:25   the the podcast mailing list so i had no [TS]

01:04:27   expectations [TS]

01:04:28   given that i had no expectations that I [TS]

01:04:30   didn't remember anything about the book [TS]

01:04:31   i thought the show was very good [TS]

01:04:33   you sound surprised almost well you [TS]

01:04:37   never know AJ fantasy shows generally [TS]

01:04:40   are not very good i think I'm safe in [TS]

01:04:43   saying yes so I was I was prepared for [TS]

01:04:46   it to suck and it was actually very good [TS]

01:04:48   so i was i was surprised anyone was [TS]

01:04:51   going to do it justice [TS]

01:04:52   it was HBO right that like you know you [TS]

01:04:54   could not do this on network television [TS]

01:04:56   but this community was it would be more [TS]

01:04:59   11 figures actually I kind of said we [TS]

01:05:01   didn't get to see a low-budget sci-fi [TS]

01:05:03   channel original movie out of it though [TS]

01:05:05   first game of thrones me Ned Stark story [TS]

01:05:09   they'll do the the knockoffs have you [TS]

01:05:11   seen the knockoffs they have on like [TS]

01:05:12   Netflix whenever there's a popular movie [TS]

01:05:14   coming out they do like the low budget [TS]

01:05:16   for it like like trans trans morphers [TS]

01:05:18   like it's really it's like s it's like [TS]

01:05:22   SEO for movies this there's a great [TS]

01:05:25   industry built up on that so you like [TS]

01:05:27   the game a charity from chairs you know [TS]

01:05:30   Scott mentioned up not knowing what's [TS]

01:05:32   going to happen because if you got the [TS]

01:05:33   hook-up one thing and one thing I want [TS]

01:05:35   everyone to want to bring up before we [TS]

01:05:36   move on as the the net dying so much for [TS]

01:05:40   someone who didn't read the book and I [TS]

01:05:42   was watching it along with other people [TS]

01:05:44   who haven't read the book and when he [TS]

01:05:46   got killed in that episode III add on [TS]

01:05:48   tivo and they had watched it before me [TS]

01:05:50   and iris a lot of people saying oh [TS]

01:05:52   you're not going to believe what happens [TS]

01:05:53   next episode is unbelievable this [TS]

01:05:55   episode was blown is a real-time and [TS]

01:05:56   Twitter when the show was airing people [TS]

01:05:58   who like it's just unbelievable this is [TS]

01:05:59   the greatest show ever [TS]

01:06:01   not I not that I'm against that move but [TS]

01:06:04   i would have been disappointed if that [TS]

01:06:06   wasn't his character arc because then it [TS]

01:06:08   would be like oh this is like every [TS]

01:06:09   other show where that is the hero and [TS]

01:06:11   despite whatever you know despite the [TS]

01:06:14   reality he's going to get out of this [TS]

01:06:16   through some stupid thing that would [TS]

01:06:19   never actually happened because he's the [TS]

01:06:20   main character must be protected at all [TS]

01:06:21   costs that would have been upsetting to [TS]

01:06:23   me and surprising when he got his head [TS]

01:06:24   chopped off [TS]

01:06:25   I wasn't shocked because that was the [TS]

01:06:27   natural evolution of his story and [TS]

01:06:29   anything different would have required [TS]

01:06:30   some sort of significant could you could [TS]

01:06:33   have gotten out of it like saying he had [TS]

01:06:35   to die but would have required a [TS]

01:06:36   significant plot event to save him from [TS]

01:06:38   that [TS]

01:06:38   versus just someone leaves up from the [TS]

01:06:40   stage and grabs them and they run off [TS]

01:06:42   any safe that's the clever the [TS]

01:06:43   cleverness of having this other option [TS]

01:06:45   right which is that they're going to [TS]

01:06:46   send into the wall and that's all series [TS]

01:06:49   plot in the yeah I know but once he was [TS]

01:06:51   up on that stage and he's giving that [TS]

01:06:52   speech I know this is dead [TS]

01:06:54   you didn't think he was gonna come to [TS]

01:06:56   recover way through the crowd and no I [TS]

01:06:58   mean I thought she was I thought she was [TS]

01:07:00   likely to die too because i have had [TS]

01:07:02   personal he's dead because Joffrey's not [TS]

01:07:03   gonna buy this like you could see it I [TS]

01:07:06   just that was that ominous thing was in [TS]

01:07:09   there I was kind of you know you're [TS]

01:07:10   hoping like I'm rooting for negatory [TS]

01:07:11   like somebody did like his character but [TS]

01:07:13   you're like now because that if they did [TS]

01:07:15   that that would be a cheat and in [TS]

01:07:16   reality drop is going to the second [TS]

01:07:18   she's running the stage and like all [TS]

01:07:19   they're gonna kill her too because she [TS]

01:07:20   is no way in heck she's going to say [TS]

01:07:21   because i had enough faith in the show [TS]

01:07:23   do not say they are he's gonna go save [TS]

01:07:25   him but imagine if she had saved unload [TS]

01:07:27   this would have been a horrible show you [TS]

01:07:28   know she gets into energy pokes people [TS]

01:07:30   it'll stick and runs off and they're [TS]

01:07:32   saved know that then ever i would've [TS]

01:07:34   been screaming but i don't know what all [TS]

01:07:36   the people who were shocked that he died [TS]

01:07:37   were expecting what do you want to have [TS]

01:07:38   the book goes so that's purpose of the [TS]

01:07:40   book you need to ensure ya get my [TS]

01:07:42   aforementioned friend from college who [TS]

01:07:44   is the one who introduced me to these [TS]

01:07:45   books like that's how he sold it to me [TS]

01:07:46   the first time like you described is [TS]

01:07:48   like so be you know this is one of these [TS]

01:07:49   books but it's not like fantasy books [TS]

01:07:50   where people get into these impossible [TS]

01:07:51   situations and then that you know they [TS]

01:07:53   they get out of it death-defying ways [TS]

01:07:55   now in this one they actually died and i [TS]

01:07:57   was like huh that's interesting [TS]

01:07:59   yeah yeah you haven't seen you haven't [TS]

01:08:01   seen the end of that yeah people [TS]

01:08:03   continue to die [TS]

01:08:04   it's good just like real ones good [TS]

01:08:07   alright so that wraps up our [TS]

01:08:09   conversation about a game of thrones [TS]

01:08:12   comes back next year looking forward to [TS]

01:08:14   it [TS]

01:08:15   in the meantime mirror tens of thousands [TS]

01:08:17   of pages of books if you want to read [TS]

01:08:19   ahead so you might be able to be [TS]

01:08:23   finished by the time the second season [TS]

01:08:24   premieres but only if you're a fast [TS]

01:08:26   reader anyway until then I want to thank [TS]

01:08:30   my guests for joining me to talk about [TS]

01:08:32   it on on the incomparable I enjoyed the [TS]

01:08:35   season 2 by the way I thought it was I [TS]

01:08:36   thought it was great so I'm glad that [TS]

01:08:38   you guys thought so too [TS]

01:08:40   who asked you Scott McNulty thank you [TS]

01:08:44   again for sharing your your strange [TS]

01:08:46   power of reader amnesia with us we I do [TS]

01:08:50   what I can [TS]

01:08:51   who are you [TS]

01:08:52   no one of consequence the morin thank [TS]

01:08:54   you for being here [TS]

01:08:56   pleasure rent thank you for for being [TS]

01:08:59   here and and discussing these books [TS]

01:09:01   which you've read multiple times right [TS]

01:09:03   yes well the first two and then i just [TS]

01:09:05   finished rereading the purse too and [TS]

01:09:08   finishing the ladder to the first time [TS]

01:09:10   right before the show started [TS]

01:09:12   so all right so you could remember it [TS]

01:09:14   unlike Scott who's a babe in the woods [TS]

01:09:18   is a little worried John siracusa thank [TS]

01:09:21   you for for providing our control group [TS]

01:09:23   is the person who hadn't read these [TS]

01:09:25   crazy books before seeing the show thank [TS]

01:09:28   you [TS]

01:09:28   not spoiling it too badly that's we try [TS]

01:09:31   not that's what the horn is for that's [TS]

01:09:33   what the Hornets foolish if I remember [TS]

01:09:36   to tell them to round out the spoiler i [TS]

01:09:38   know that you would yeah he would [TS]

01:09:40   that was a jury I was a goddess Scott is [TS]

01:09:42   evil and a special thanks to our special [TS]

01:09:45   gas money Ashley I'm so glad that you [TS]

01:09:47   could be on the podcast with us [TS]

01:09:48   thanks it was fun are you going to recap [TS]

01:09:51   this series again next time I hope to [TS]

01:09:54   all right well look for that at [TS]

01:09:56   television without pity calm right [TS]

01:09:58   yes indeed we're going to recap this [TS]

01:10:00   podcast jason said some stuff and then I [TS]

01:10:05   tuned out and I might have said some [TS]

01:10:07   stuff and there were some other people [TS]

01:10:09   that's like that uh that's like there [TS]

01:10:10   are one-star review haha I to some [TS]

01:10:14   people of a certain age that some stuff [TS]

01:10:16   for those for those of a certain age [TS]

01:10:18   well who forget books for example right [TS]

01:10:21   Scott result is 90 years old that's why [TS]

01:10:23   he forgets everything he reads you look [TS]

01:10:25   great on paper snappers it's true [TS]

01:10:28   teenagers are alright until next time [TS]

01:10:31   thanks to everybody for listening thanks [TS]

01:10:33   to my panelists I'm Jason's don't be [TS]

01:10:36   uncomfortable podcast see you later [TS]

01:10:44   [Music] [TS]

01:11:01   [Music] [TS]

01:11:09   what's the deal with the throne [TS]

01:11:15   that's right who were the ad Wizards who [TS]

01:11:17   came up with this throne [TS]

01:11:19   y-you know I want to I want a little [TS]

01:11:20   padding back there you know Robert I [TS]

01:11:22   guess he's got enough padding that he [TS]

01:11:24   wouldn't even feel it [TS]

01:11:25   what kind of a stupid throne is that out [TS]

01:11:28   I know it's been a horrible at all but i [TS]

01:11:31   gotta sit on this thing [TS]

01:11:32   at what point did they decided they [TS]

01:11:34   wanted to make that throw [TS]

01:11:35   did they have a whole bunch of swords in [TS]

01:11:37   a back room extra sword they [TS]

01:11:39   accidentally got like a dragon you know [TS]

01:11:41   the armory know like crap what are we [TS]

01:11:43   gonna do the latter sword too close to [TS]

01:11:45   the directive I know chair [TS]

01:11:47   my theory is that there was a blacksmith [TS]

01:11:50   who had a public a application for a [TS]

01:11:52   public arts grant and the king said you [TS]

01:11:55   know I got these swords that I took away [TS]

01:11:56   from my enemies they're not doing any [TS]

01:11:58   good sure I mean so they think it was [TS]

01:12:01   before they realize the Mad King was mad [TS]

01:12:04   be just like throughout sup like I want [TS]

01:12:05   to throw up sold her to me like I guess [TS]

01:12:07   we better make one you need to be king [TS]

01:12:09   and all it has a drag race [TS]

01:12:11   yeah when he asked for a throne of cats [TS]

01:12:13   they're like that's not actually would [TS]

01:12:14   be a great seat without throwing cats [TS]