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the constable test number four desserts
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to 2011
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it's that time on the uncomfortable the
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podcast that I never thought would
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happen mostly because i'm not quite sure
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that this isn't going to go on for the
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next five hours but we're gonna give it
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a shot we are going to talk finally
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about Star Wars the original star wars
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or four gigantic star wars nerds like
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John siracusa star wars episode for a
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new hope it's not as if we haven't
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talked about star wars on the
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incomparable in fact i think basically
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every episode we talk about star wars in
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some way or other but we're actually
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going to dive in we're going to talk
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about the original movie and joining me
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today to discuss it are a group of Star
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Wars aficionados I guess we we could say
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the a4 mentioned John siracusa is here
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hi John Jason dan more'n as well hello
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thank you for having me Jason no it's
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impossible
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no that's the wrong movie Scott McNulty
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hello hello
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and Greg moss hello hello Greg
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so star wars episode for a new hope my
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favorite character is Captain Kirk
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ah I like dr. Spock there's a button we
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can press to keep people off the right
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so start working out in 1977 and the
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first thing I wanted to ask everybody
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here knowing that's that several viewer
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are quite a bit younger that I am is how
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you you first experienced star wars
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before we get into the movie itself and
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how you heard about it what your
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memories are but i think i should start
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with the elder statesman of the podcast
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by like three years but Greg moss Greg
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where were you what tell us your
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childhood star wars story my my life it
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exists in into separate dimensions one
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pre star wars and one post Star Wars it
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was the transformative experience I I
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wasn't nine years old when Star Wars was
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released and I saw at nine times during
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its initial theatrical run i was just
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totally blown away by everything in it
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was it was perfect
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in every way and i still believe that
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and I will argue it with anybody who
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wants to that it is it remains perfect
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despite its flaws
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it is the Socratic ideal of what a
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science-fiction movie should be so what
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you're saying is even its flaws are part
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of its reaction that exactly it would it
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it is perfect because of its flaws all
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right I was a six I guess when this
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movie came out and i think i did see it
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in the theater but I was I was pretty
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young and I was a big star trek fan so I
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was kind of a little offended by how how
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much attention Star Wars God but in the
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end even I broke down and learn to love
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John syracuse what about you so you know
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when you try to think about things that
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happened in your childhood and like your
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memory stops at a certain point you know
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like usually most people can't remember
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anything before they could talk
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obviously all I have two things are like
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that one of them is skiing
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I can't remember ever not knowing how to
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ski it's not like walking like people
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don't remember before they could walk
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right but most people if they learn to
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ski and a child they can remember all I
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didn't know how to ski and then I went
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through a learning process and I learned
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to see I have no memory of not only had
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a ski the other one is I have no memory
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of not having seen a new hope so
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obviously I didn't see when it came out
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because I was three I when they released
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you know I was five and I really doubt
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my parents took me to see it when I was
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five but I have no memory of any time in
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my life when I did not have an
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encyclopedic knowledge of a new hope so
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i'm assuming either my parents to come
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you see it when i was 5 or I saw it on
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VHS or something i have ever maybe we
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running in the movie theater when I was
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six or 7i have no idea when I first saw
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this movie but i might as well been born
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with it inside my head
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well are you going to call it a new hope
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for throughout this entire podcast
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well I used to just called Star Wars I
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definitely would not call it episode 4
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because the word episode has been
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tainted by things that will not be
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mentioned on this podcast let's just
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agree to call it star worse than four no
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way and you with the idea that it
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doesn't refer to any other movie at this
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BS because that was the the thing that I
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called it you know until the second
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movie came out and what everybody called
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it and the episode thing was tacked on
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later and hope it just is just good for
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disambiguation at this point is you just
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say Star Wars god knows what people are
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thinking
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ok so we're going to limit ourselves in
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this as much as possible to just the
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first movie so yeah
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this for all those out there who are
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wondering we're not going to talk about
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anything Luke's father might be for
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example
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no I isn't he yes exactly so Dan Morgan
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how about you what's your Star Wars
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memory John kinda stole my line which is
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saying that I i mean i was born in
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nineteen eighty so I shortly before the
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Empire came out and so I literally there
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i did not exist in a time when there was
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no stars my closest cousin Tim who is
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was born in 77 actually can claim to
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have seen it in utero since his pregnant
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mother saw it but I did not have that
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however i guess my my memory of its
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really tied very closely to a lot of my
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cousins because i feel like every time
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they came in visited we would watch some
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star wars movie on VHS but it's hard for
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me to pin down kind of with that sort of
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fuzziness of youth exactly when that was
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I do know that i went to see a return
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the Jedi in the theater my parents
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picked me up from preschool so i must
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have been four or five at that point and
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I I knew what was going on so I must
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have seen the first two movies prior to
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that because i was really excited i
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really wanted to go see the movie but
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yeah it for me they're really there
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really isn't a time there's there's no
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way that I can remember not having seen
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Star Wars Scott McNulty have you seen
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Star Wars i have seen Star Wars for the
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first time earlier tonight no that's not
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uh-huh i living thing that pic button so
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i was born in 1977 I was three months
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old when a star wars KS came out and I
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remember taking myself to the movie
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theater and buying know my first Star
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Wars related memory is doesn't actually
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involve the movie but involves my
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brother's Millennium Falcon he had the
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Millennium Falcon toy which was awesome
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and I have a very very clear memory of
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the whatever that force or birthing that
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Luke practices with the moon fell can
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have a little one in it and for some
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reason that fascinated me as a child
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and then I think the first Star Wars
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movie that I saw in a movie theater was
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Return of the Jedi
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I don't know and I don't recall ever not
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knowing about Star Wars wow that's for
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old people like me and Greg that's um
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that's such a strange idea the idea that
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star wars was always there
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I have to think that it would be a
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little disappointing having it always
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around because you didn't get to
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discover it didn't like up here you know
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dawn but I i might argue that that as as
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as your idea Greg that star wars a
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Socratic ideal in some ways up hasn't it
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always been there
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we just didn't know it's been inside of
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us it was inside the block of marble it
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was a long time ago in a galaxy far far
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you know I never had never discovered
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star trek it was aight i have that same
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feeling about that original Star Trek is
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I have no memory of not knowing about
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Star Trek and Captain Kirk mr. Spock so
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i can i can relate to that and i would
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argue that that I don't wanna know what
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it was like to live in a world that
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other artworks just makes me sad but it
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was a very sad time I look back on with
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huge fondness on seeing the movie for
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the first time I mean I remember my
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little nine-year-old brain was imprinted
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with how jazzed i was walking out of the
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theater get convinced that i was Luke
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Skywalker until like you know caught
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sight of myself in a mirror
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sad trombone and was that your nickname
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is your phone said revoke I feel the
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same way about hitchhikers when i was
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home sick one day and my mom brought
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home a book from the library and turned
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out to be hitchhiker's guide to the
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galaxy and that chop
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I thought you were gonna say your mom
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your mom brought home an attacker that
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I've always had a great fondness for the
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minute to change my life it was it was
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rector Howard next week on a very
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special episode of the incomparable good
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men my mom brought home
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got a lot of really fun memories of that
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what we have really good amount of
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course quickly here so you know but
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that's that's good i mean i think i
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think that's true that you have those
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moments there the things that you sort
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of swim in they were always there and
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then you have those kind of regulatory
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moments where you're like oh my god I
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can't believe that instructors guide to
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the galaxy is a good example although
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the thing about books is usually old
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enough you know you're old enough to
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read and read books that are complex and
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so you all those are always moments of
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discovery wear something like a TV show
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or movie you know you don't have to you
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don't have to be old at all just to
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watch it and start absorbing it and so
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so it happens before that moment where
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you you know have you your memories
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beginning so it's just always movies and
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TV are much more likely to music I
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supposed to have always been there
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that was what as I was watching star
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wars that tonight to you know prepare
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for the podcast
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ah I thought to myself because you know
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a lot of kids the movie is like the
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perfect for the perfect movie for kids
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it's very exciting but it begins
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you have to read a bunch of stuff and a
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and i imagine when it first was in the
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movie theater a lot of parents reading
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to their children with the the the
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scroll says so that they can understand
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what's going on my son who's just now
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reading he he would he would shout at me
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while we watch Star Wars read daddy read
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it is that I demand to know what is the
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only it's the only movie with subtitles
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will get your kids to watch
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I tried to get my daughter into Star
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Wars a little bit too early and I tried
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to explain to her that it was an
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exciting movie that involved the
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princess and robots and she was sorely
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disappointed but then she liked to look
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like a year later but you have to read
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first I think there is something to that
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fact that it takes so you know so long
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to get to the arguably the protagonist
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like speedy fast-paced
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films would you know would be bored
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sitting there as this unfolds and
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graduates out to exactly a studio
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executive today being like you know
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what's all this stuff out about you know
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at the beginning was just to the kind of
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thing everything do we get to Luke
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way they open with a bank because they
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know there's gonna be this downtime of
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like the guy on the farm and he's got a
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loser and he's got a boring life they
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know that's gonna be there so that the
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movie opens for the bank gigantic
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spaceship that you have never the way
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you've never seen it before in your life
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laser battles big dark guy in black
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you're supposed to start you know then a
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lot there's a low and it comes down but
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at that point like what the hell was
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that triangle ship dark dude you know
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even better than that it helps I think
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somatically because it establishes
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Luke's place in the universe which is
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pretty much zero until the story gets
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going on compared to what we just saw
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exactly thats and then suddenly you're
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dealing with this farm boy and you know
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you can go into the Campbell hoo-ha
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about you know the journey of the hero
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and all that but you want Luke to be
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unimportant at the beginning you know
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you not only that you don't even know
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his last name until like halfway through
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the movie it's Starkiller right
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nice nice unassuming name for a farm boy
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that killed stars whatever you know not
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to go too much into the backstory but of
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course I mean I believe the earlier of
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you know there are several cut scenes
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involving you know starting with Luke
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seeing this battle in space and whatever
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it being more leaving you know you start
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out earlier with him and I think this is
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I agree I agree that I think this is a
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lot stronger as an opening as a
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structure then then sort of a more
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gradual like easing in would be but you
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know i was just watching at the end of
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the just watch the movie as well like
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Scott and at the end it happened to flip
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over to it was one of the additions that
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has like an interview with George Lucas
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afterwards like you know 10 minute thing
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they were talking about like you know
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the selling this idea as a movie in like
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cow alan ladd at fox's like I don't know
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what's going on here but i love it let's
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it's just like that struck me as as
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amusing and the like I can imagine being
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a lot to take in if you're not like you
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know seven-year-old boy who loves this
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stuff anyway
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and there were no I'm
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there was really no sci-fi movies that
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they would have been 2001 yeah this is
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really not in the same thing sci-fi
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blockbuster summer blockbuster movie
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which we take for granted today did not
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really exist until this movie was
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released so it was a tough sell and I
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you know and as the documentary say was
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that attention go there for a while one
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of the things what we're talking about
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the opening 15 minutes basically is
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based on something that Greg said it was
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Greg there's so many of you
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the the spaceship that Princess Leia
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spaceship the it's all like white walls
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super clean and I find that really
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interesting because after that you know
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super bright like very future seems like
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a very almost 60 is kind of an idea of a
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spaceship and you know then the next
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thing we know we're on Tatooine and it's
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dirty and crappy and c3po is all beat up
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and scratched and and I I was really
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struck and watching it again by that by
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that choice that we start out on this
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kind of idealistic idealized future you
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know spaceship and we're promptly kind
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of kicked out of there and sit down on
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this planet where you know with with
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sand people and stuff you get you could
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almost take it as a knock against
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something like Star Trek or don't have
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someone that have that very sterile
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environment i love that's one of my
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favorite things
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the thing that that made this universe
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resonate for me so much more than Star
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Trek really ever has is that it's a
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universe that feels lived-in it feels
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used it's dirty it's not clean look at
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the Jawa sandcrawler there's crap
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everywhere there's wiring that's exposed
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it's clearly been cobbled together I
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mean something about that feels like
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very homey into me maybe because I have
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all these wires lying around my office
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for and a Jawa even on the 10 24 like
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even though we saw the white walls and
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everything it's two seconds when you're
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away from that scene when the layers
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like you know hiding the data tapes and
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reinvention like the engine room you
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know it's like more now it's dark and
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looks like it's more like a working type
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thing and the escape pod looks like a
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big mess of you know pipes and tubes it
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does not look like a sleek silver
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capsule you know so you know that's like
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normal area of that ship and its
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color-coded white so you know that
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they're the good guys you know unlike
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the bad guys ship is all have black
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floors and gray ceilings and everything
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as soon as you get out off the main
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hallway even on the good guys ship it
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looks like you know a bunch of machinery
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and automatically it it continues i mean
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the there are the rich people and
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they're the bad guys and they're the
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only ones who are clean other
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technologies new their technology is
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polished you know and everybody else is
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making do with what they can because the
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Empire has crushed everybody they've
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really cornered the market on blinking
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lights around those little black boxes
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with wheels that roll around on their
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own man i want one of those when I was a
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kid that was that was like my favorite
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thing was the little boxes that one
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around like I want to romance reveals
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mankind's if around the droid sound and
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we re watching this I realized how
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useless most of the droids are I cannot
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understand any of them do they just walk
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around aimlessly and they're lost their
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could phase it but it's all dried as a
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clear purpose in case anyone remember
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all of your protocol needs r2 unit is a
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is a Swiss Army knife of we really why
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don't they just replace them all with r2
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unit seems like those guys are the best
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because then who would translate for
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them because always speak is beep boop
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you think that just because you have to
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look at your x-wing screen understanding
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it is it is the only flaw in the r2
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design would anyone need to talk to
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these and just make a beep yeah I can't
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we could actually fit the voice unit
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into there is just so crammed full of
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like welding tools we have to leave a
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space so someone can cram data tapes in
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here every universe needs its comic
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relief and it's a I feet British comic
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relief yeah that's what I was gonna say
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i I've heard people refer to c-3po is
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sort of this effeminate effeminate gay
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robot my thought no he's just English
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that's a legit the word you're looking
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for is prissy yeah no he's just english
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is an English robot don't you understand
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what would a gay robot involved
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I wonder who built c-3po laughs we'll
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never get the incident now that's he's
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was manufactured sure that there's
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vertical thousands of others like him
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alright would anyone build a protocol
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enjoyed themselves like in their garage
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or something in fact when we first see
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him there's another one just like him
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with a slightly different decks silvery
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Sheen right behind him and of course he
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has the mismatch leg too
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wow that's good knowledge so we meet
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Princess Leia very briefly and she
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recorded the famous hologram that help
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me obi-wan Kenobi you're my only hope
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and we see that's a nice touch that we
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see her recording it from afar c-3po
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sees her recording it and then later we
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we get the playback but you know Carrie
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Fisher interesting hairstyle she has it
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i had to bring it up its alien it is
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nanak it is it looks delicious
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I guess in a minivan will see is
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interesting it's dumb
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it's your brother she had forehead
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makeup mr. star trek I would in fact you
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know in in the seventies I could think
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of worse hairstyles to have and in and
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movie made in the late seventies exactly
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couldn't like Farrah Fawcett feathered
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enough Saturn to have would have been
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weird to you when you watch this movie
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do you get any sense of you know the
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seventies correct encroaching in or does
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it feel a little more time less than
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almost none like maybe Luke's hair but
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almost none of the seventies is any
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right argue that the the filmmaking of
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it feels like the seventies to me
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I mean I guess there's lots of parts of
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it would feel what I feel like a
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throwback to earlier times though you
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know that the wipes and stuff like that
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that Lucas uses that are clearly
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revoking you know the serials from like
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the thirties but there's a couple it's
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just struck me in early on that there's
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a couple things in there that are a
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little feel a little off-kilter for for
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example the scene where r 2 is working
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his way through the canyon we get a
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couple POV shots from the job was point
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of view and they're very unsteady like
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you know like their film like with a
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handheld or something like that and that
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to me almost seems like it seems a
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little rough and a little edgy or
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something that might be more like
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seventies I feel like camera angles
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these days are very often very you know
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cut-and-dried in terms of what they
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attempt to do but isn't isn't that
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invoking the fact that you're being
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looking at him rather than absolutely i
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just don't think that I don't think that
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modern filmmaking would do that I feel
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like that was something that I mean
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Lucas you know obviously he was a film
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student he was exposed to a lot of these
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other you know sort of on guard stuff
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and stuff that was going on in the
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seventies I just feel like I mean I'm
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not criticizing it i think i think it's
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good i better not be easy
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ok i just think i just think it's it's
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sort of indicative of it as a seventies
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film in the way that it was body like it
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doesn't feel like the seventies at all
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hedge on this but it feels just as
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modern today it could be released today
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with some of the hairstyle exceptions
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and everything would look in you some of
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the set of special-effects I'm glad they
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go but don't ever go back and correct
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that yes that's good but it did
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everything about it feels totally
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timeless when you get especially when
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compared to even like THX which feels
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really really seventies to me you've
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actually seen THX yes why haven't you
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know why would I it sounds terrible but
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I'm holding out for the sequel THX 1 39
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39 yeah I've reinforced to 1137 of them
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so I'm start with THX one so when we're
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on Tatooine moving ahead sort of
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chronologically here talking about the
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Jawas and they're spying are our little
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droid friends and and and then we meet
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Luke Skywalker our hero along with his
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aunt and uncle Owen and Beru that's 15
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minutes in we have semantic you an
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interesting an interesting setting and
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the thing that I remember most actually
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from when I was a kid is that scene of
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Luke watching the two sons set over
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tattooing III that was burned into my
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brain when I was six years old when i
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watch that movie more than anything else
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just so so striking a scene to make you
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realize what you're watching that they
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were on an alien planet and I got a note
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about that is that like I know they do
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location shooting for modern movies and
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it's the but when they show that scene
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there like you
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you tell that they're there in Tunisia
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and the sun is actually setting right
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and if you like today if they were doing
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that scene either would be you know I
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can Vancouver or LA or something or they
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would just do it on blue-screen and have
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like they do that this guy in the sun's
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with CG because it's like more dramatic
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and I can draw whatever they want but
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for the scene they had to get look out
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there during sunset in Tunisia and
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haven't stand there and shoot him and it
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was a little bit windy and it just it
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works how much better than I can go
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ahead and that's so much better as well
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if you were still in modern techniques
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and I know for the movies that we won't
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mention they were actually in Tunisia
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for them too but it's just something
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about modern filmmaking but they don't
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wanna they don't want to take the time
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to get that shot or they would be
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annoyed that shop is it was too much
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wind looks hair was going into space or
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something that you know or if your GI
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they don't overdo it
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yeah they you know they do the cg sons
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we could they just took two sons and
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overlaid an optically and both of them
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look like the Sun and it's not you know
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there's not a lens flare is not rings
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around the Sun with a meteor shooting
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through the corner you know anything
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yeah they have have a big you know moon
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up there with a ring around it kind of
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hanging in the corner just say we're
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I i think that touches upon something
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that makes this such a great film and
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again you know part of this was it
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constraints freed creativity you know
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they only had a certain number of
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techniques to work with and they were
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busy inventing like pretty much every
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sort of technique they could think of
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but everything in this film seems much
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more real to me than almost any other
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film i feel like i've seen and it's just
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because you know some of those things
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are there real you can tell that it's a
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tangible object even if the sandcrawler
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is like a scale model it's a real thing
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it's an object they were artists working
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on that painting these little details
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you know and it feels real as a result
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of that in a way that that as advanced
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as it's gotten you know computer
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graphics never feel like they always
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seem alien to me they always seem just a
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little bit out of place
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I mean whether that's just the way the
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light hits it or something you know I
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think that there's just something that
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hasn't been a they have been able to
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duplicate and so the thing that strikes
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me you know and in the way that I think
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greg was saying that this is sort of
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timeless is that it doesn't it's amazing
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to me how dated it does not feel given
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you know given its age and I think it a
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lot of that can be chalked up to the
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fact that these emphasis on these these
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real effects things like optical effects
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or model building or stuff like the
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costuming all that stuff some of the
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matte paintings weren't great they're
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like most likely spaceport and now when
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I see matte paintings nowadays it takes
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a really good matte painting to not make
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me go out like this in that painting
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because every now they just used for
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backgrounds but this is one of the
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things on watching this in the modern
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era especially if you're watching and
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the one that wasn't even cleaned up the
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original run of this head effects that
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now we looked at we like we'd be like
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jeez guys aren't afraid about the mat
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lines i mean the mat lines were just
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really bad but even just stuff like the
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the you know that paintings on glass
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they look fine but they look like
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paintings on glass and I I would never
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trade them for I mean there's definitely
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there are definitely rough edges i mean
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the one that always strikes me going
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back and watching star wars as opposed
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to empire and Jedi is Vader is somewhat
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is a little bit less imposing to me in
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this one and a couple that's a
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combination with a couple of x1 you can
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kind of see through the eyes and the
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master i feels like you lose something
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and two they don't do nearly as good a
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job either with james earl jones voice
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or sinking it up with what the what
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David Rosen doing it the audio looping
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in general is not great at anything I
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always notice in Darth Vader especially
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early on is I guess the peaks really
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fast he speaks really fast like they
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have a mistimed it or they change the
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dialogue and then they gave it to James
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Earl Jones misses really i need to read
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all of this right there and so you know
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I took her away to take her
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oh you're part of the lines of the table
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take away hey that's a run-on sentence
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yeah it doesn't it already baby there'll
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be no one to stop us this time he's got
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a boss to that I think the other thing
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is he's got a boss right Tarkin target
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is in charge of Darth Vader which you
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know later
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Darth Vader's the guy right there's the
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Emperor and their stars Vader but Miss
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it's like Peter Cushing is like Vader
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enough like really the plot reason for
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that you know yes I know but still it's
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it's almost people go away the second
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movie he's got a he's got a boss so it's
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just it sees a lot less imposing when
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there's like a general who's in charge
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of him i think that works better
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minutes it it's a progression for
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innovators well you'd better get in his
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own ship and flies you haven't seen
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singing that level in later movies but
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that's what happens when all your bosses
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explode
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he's got a chauffeur and later movies
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supposed to send commander Riker to do
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all that stuff right so can we can we
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get a shout-out for peter cushing who I
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think is one of the one of the two
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performances in this that I think really
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really elevate is great with him in a
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lacuna sorry-assed they just bring a
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class to this like because i was gonna
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say Kenny Baker Eddy's great time we're
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not being around the guy who plays wedge
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Denis Lawson Ewan McGregor's we're
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actually ok anyways but I was gonna say
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both peter cushing analogous are so
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they're such professionals you know you
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can tell and like guinness famously did
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not really like making star wars but you
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can't tell that from his performance
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because he's such a professional is like
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you know I don't understand what the
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hell's going on here I don't want the
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lines are they sound like ridiculous but
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you know what I'm going to this i was
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paid to do this is my job i'm going to
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do the best damn job I can he does not
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sleepwalk through this he delivers a
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fantastic performance holy love Kenobi
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will be left
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now that's a name I've not heard in a
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long long time
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I think my uncle knows he said he was
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no he's not dead yet
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you know of course i know it is me when
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I haven't come by the name will be when
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in school with all you look pushing
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likewise was no no stranger to hockey
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you know horror movies and science
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fiction movies but also is just great
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and like menacing and and you know again
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you can't I don't think you can poke a
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hole in either of those performances
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well it helps that they're playing next
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two amateurs and makes them look even
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better right because at this point
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Carrie Fisher really doesn't know what
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she's doing her accent comes and goes
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and she changes her mind from seen Luke
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you know I mean it's not bad but he's
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not there cal but these are two young
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actors we're playing opposite these guys
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who could who could do this in their
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sleep and don't you know so it by
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comparison they stand out in this movie
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princess lianna before your execution i
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would like you to be my guest at a
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ceremony that will make this battle
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station operational
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no star system will be opposed the input
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the more you tighten your grip talk the
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more star systems will slip through your
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fingers
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not after we demonstrate the power of
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this dish in a way you have the term in
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the choice of the planet will be
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destroyed first since you are reluctant
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to provide us with the location of the
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rebel base I have chosen to test this
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stations destructive power on your home
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planet of Alderaan I know this piece but
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we have no weapons you can work without
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another target of visibility target then
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name the system all that said I will I
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will defend to the death to our Eunice
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you know just fantastic actor no matter
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what you put in
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oh ya know this and it is it is a good
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performance remember there are in
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watching it back there are a few moments
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where I i could sort of sense that he's
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like really stuff
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ok I'll just I'll just say it but in
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general it's a great performance and I
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know that Alec Guinness later you know
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at the end of his life was really tired
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of talking about Star Wars and didn't
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feel like it was you know really worth
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talking about compared to some of the
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other things that he did but he
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certainly brought credibility to this
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movie in a way that you know if the if
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he and pushing weren't in it I think
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you're right Dan you know think he just
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has a lot of weight he has a lot of
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might otherwise take it
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yeah otherwise it would be just a bunch
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of kids yeah i mean like he was so good
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he was one of the things that like entry
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you know intrigue me to go watch him and
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other things you know that's not
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necessarily the case for Mark Hamill
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that didn't happen with Marc and Jesse
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coordinate summer a Corvette summer is a
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great movie but hey i have i have some
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my incomparable trivia related to a
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lagunas when i bought the domain of the
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original intent was going to be for a
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little web game originally called the
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incomparable sean bean and they would
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search you would search google for
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actors names that had been labeled
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incomparable and whoever got the highest
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would win that particular round and we
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keep a running list of the incomparable
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whomever and Alec Guinness had the
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highest rating of anybody we could find
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when we're doing that and that's because
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it is impossible to compare him
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yes so that the reason the reason that
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this that we have the domain being comp
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bullies is in part because of a lagunas
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because he is the definition of
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uncomfortable on so long i'm captain the
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millennium fawlcon
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Chewie here tells me you're looking for
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passage to the Alderaan system is indeed
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if it's a fast ship fast ship you've
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never heard of the Millennium problem
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should i have it's the ship that made
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the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs
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so people complained a lot about the the
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the 12 parsecs thing I always the one
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and there are plenty of you know later
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explanations which i won't go into
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somewhat of a huge yard but my favorite
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you know simple explanation is I just
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always took that seen as as as Han
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trying to snow i'm a bit and if you
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watch the Guinness his expression after
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he says that is just this perfect like
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it narrows his eyes he looks at him you
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look like uh huh yeah whatever and I
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just I always loved that little it's a
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little moment it's a little moment that
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makes you think like oh maybe maybe
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solos just trying to like screw it up a
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bit to see how much they actually know
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like whether they he can take him for a
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ride or whatever and and you know
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obi-wan's being like now I know what
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you're talking about
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he confirms that right afterwards but
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these guys must really be desperate
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right that's it that's going over there
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I think that's one of my favorite things
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in the entire movie is that when they
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leave in hunts now we're left with Han
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Solo we don't follow that we stay with
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han Solo and he's like wow those guys
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you totally just print you realize this
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guy is a rogue and that felt very modern
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to me also
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that's that's the kind of scene where
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you know we're not just dealing with the
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text that the subtext is there it you
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know they they're making it clear to the
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audience that this guy is a is a kind of
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a con man or a scoundrel
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seventeen thousand those guys was really
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be desperate
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this can really save my neck get back to
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the ship already you know cuz he can we
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meet hot solo he's like who it is a
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smuggler we these units we've already
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seen several people be dismembered in
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this bar who knows what will be next and
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that shows him as a vulnerable person
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too because I mean he has he he's all
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bluster and confidence when he's talking
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to them and of course he's got the whole
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thing with Guido but when he's just
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talking to Chewie he's just you know
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he's like me and you he's got it
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concerns and Morgan is desperate right
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and that's basically i mean later movie
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they'll develop his character more in
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that regard but if he was just the
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cowboy was just i'm han Solo and I'm a
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big macho guy that's not his character
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at all it's it's the two halves and even
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in the very first movie and it's very
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first scenes they established that you
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can tell a nerd because if they come out
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of Star Wars complaining that a parsec
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is it is a measure of distance and not a
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measure of time it's like they came out
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of this star trek reboot saying a giant
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red reptile wouldn't evolve on an ice
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planet that it will they come out with
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that complaint of the first thing on
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their lips then then you know you are
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among profound and deep nerds and if
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they're super nerds they will tell you
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that it's because the castle system is
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full of black holes and therefore you
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try to turn the shower the shortest
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route through it all that's red car and
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could be an astronaut you have to charge
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the shortest distance through as many
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many explanations that involve
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rationalize I just like i like i like
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the con man and when in reality is just
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the George Lucas doesn't know what he's
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talking about this time let's stick with
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the conman angle that's my favorite
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spice mines of Kessel right yeah yeah
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they're too casual restaurants on the
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yeah I hope they have sandworms on
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Castle that would be good
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they've gotten interested to sell our
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flight but the biggest commodity for
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trade is the spices just like it was on
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earth in the 15th century
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yes or in dune I'm telling you no
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special spice the different kinds but
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she was the one that didn't get to be in
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the group anymore huh scary spice and i
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realize i miss the next generation
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podcast but my favorite piece about the
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about three hours back story was that
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her like planet was known for its rape
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gangs yes that that was their major
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export was rape gangs yeah
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the entire planet following that they're
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really good
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who's buying it there was a severe trade
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deficit going until she hears planet so
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we talked about about Han Solo hey you
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know the this is where we have the
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classic cantina scene you know that was
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that was so i remember when i was young
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i remember there being a buzz about that
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scene amongst the adults are like the
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media or whatever that the cantina scene
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was like the that you know the highlight
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of this movie I guess it's because you
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know the adults were like wow look at
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all these crazy aliens but i don't
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remember being that impressed with it as
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a child and it certainly hasn't grown in
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stature it's a bunch of guys with masks
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on and I mean it works fine in the movie
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does what it's supposed to do but it was
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not as not a special effects
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tour-de-force it was not particularly
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you know important to the plot that they
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were always there
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that's just the setting for seams
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between the characters as a as a small
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child I will tell you what impressed me
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most about that scene the bloody arm
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oh yeah yeah that's just the action
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happening out it was also a gold mine
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for licensing I i think i had a
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hammerhead and that of course what was
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we all know that keep that kept George
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Lucas in business
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that's the wrong arm on the Florida of
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course and of course otherwise they
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would probably cauterize the wound
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Oh nerdiness I don't know that
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Mythbusters has to do that because I
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think the it would not cauterize it will
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spend enough time in contact with the
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parts that has to colorize doesn't
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because hand isn't bleeding and like a
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later movie when these things happen
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asleep discovering also swings the
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lightsaber much faster in the cantina
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its alien blood whatever little they cut
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off the arm of the guy who speaks the
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who doesn't speak the language and not
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his friend who says we're wanted men
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incidentally that is the best skit in
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the robot chicken star what is anybody
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that it about what the two of them are
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actually doing at the bar jeep onda I
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just don't see how you can keep
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designing with no drawing arm or work or
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I'm sorry but we have to let you go
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and i recommend highly both of those
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robot chicken star wars episodes
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although it does it does is their third
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oh man okay well I'm gonna go down like
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that that it has completely changed how
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I view star wars now because honestly I
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can't watch the scene where we're wanted
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men and the guy gets his arm cut off
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without thinking of the poor architect
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who drawing with his life I could still
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draw with my left
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it's just I can't not if you think about
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it i can't think of a little mouse
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that's driving the little black robot
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box on the floor and get scared when
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Chewbacca else Adam I can't stop
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thinking of all the jokes because those
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are made by people who've seen the movie
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you know fifty or a hundred times just
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like all of us except and i'm sure you
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guys do as you know as I do like I had
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you know my good friend Evan who I was
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like Star Wars fanatics with me and we
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will watch these movies like weekend we
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got used to do Star Wars trivia on AOL
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that metal datos but nobody else would
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and it was just you know of course you
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develop you see it so many times you
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develop all these little in jokes and
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you know lines about about the
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ridiculous things going on in these
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movies in the back stories of these tiny
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little characters it's all I mean the
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funny thing about this movie and most
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these movies especially this movie file
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other than the cantina scene
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are there any aliens any warehouse it's
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all chewy chips are all aliens Jason on
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the morrow yeah and I ok long time ago
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but to say they kind of blew their whole
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costuming budget on that onesie
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yeah there's the job was early on and
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the and cheerleaders very little
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it's imagine a young will be on that
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guy's masks but only in a bar i believe
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the Federation is a homo sapien club
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there's also i'm sorry wrong wrong but
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also they walk into the bar and they get
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we get instant racism right from serve
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your kind here kind welcome here
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I like they have a robot detector but
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why would droids go to bars i don't
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understand different oil is like bender
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on futurama their power by cool they
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have to they have to you know sold their
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masters drinks for them also we learned
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that the correct way to I'm order a
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drink at a bar is to read
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Josh the bartender of different
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especially you that's right that's what
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I try to gently actually I do one of the
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things i noticed this time because i was
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a little watching my laser disc version
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i had the volume turned up whatever he
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does bumble what can I have one of those
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but it's really quiet
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hey mister mister i like that because
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he's it's the first time he's been in a
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bar he doesn't know what the protocol is
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you gotta water blue milk if he had his
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protocol droid with him
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yes exactly both know dammit that's what
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he would have been useful it's so sad
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and then so then at the end of the scene
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what greater was like as a kid anyway it
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so we can talk about it now other than
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to say that one of the things we learned
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to being a roegan kind of desperate he
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is willing when threatened by Greedo to
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shoot grito before Greedo shoots him
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right little cowboy western kind of
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scene exactly it's a few on he unblocked
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unbuttons his his holster in fact under
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the table it's such a really behavior
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that makes sense and it shows that he's
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not tied to an honor system where he's
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not like a white knight he's not going
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to say i wanna honorably do you know it
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will show you under the table
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yeah although he will pay for the mess
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and then then I on returns to the the
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Millennium Falcon and I believe there
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was a scene there that got cut out so
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that's where there was a scene there
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where they were going to put in jabba
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the hutt but they decided not to and so
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we sure that seems most intimidating
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that Irish guy playing yeah I'm sure
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surely we can just leave that seen
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Sydney Greenstreet as Jabba the Hutt
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speaking of cutting out scenes I want to
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get this before when you're talking
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about the seventies influence one part
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where I see the seventies is in the it
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not the fact that we're on on you know
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that this planet with this farm boy for
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a while but the pacing of that section
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is very 77 tease they were not in a
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hurry so it seems like you spent a
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really long time just kind of wandering
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through is a farm boys going into town
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has been nobody won the side thing with
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the job was it just takes its time like
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they're not enough
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re and that's very much like a lot of
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seventies movies where they were like
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action-packed when you saw them but if
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you go back and watch them like go back
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and watch mean streets or something
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you're like boy they you know they were
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not in a hurry to get to the next scene
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where that right well that's the whole
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generation of directors
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I I dancing is very very very fast at
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other points that this one thing struck
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me watching it all yet picks up that it
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picks up to it by the end of the movie
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and just got you if you're instantly
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yeah that's amazing having a movie
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that's not going 90 miles an hour from
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the opening scene
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yeah you know that's that's what people
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like about the seventies movies you know
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that that style facing something that
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reminds me of the seventies that they
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did right you know movies back then just
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did it wasn't like this was a leisurely
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pace this was par for the course you
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know if anything this movie was
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different in the it cranked up the speed
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at the end and sort of you know you have
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brought on the whole idea of like a look
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at me crank up the speed and intensity
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you know people like that so let's just
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do a whole movie like that and that of
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course doesn't work but that was sort of
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the outcome of this it helps the
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structure a little bit i think this is
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in many ways at you know it is act one
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of a story and it kind of doesn't have
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an end and we'll get to the ending but
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that is working for it in some ways to
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that it's going to lay out the world and
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introduce all the characters and then
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the action starts but I mean we were
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about to get as we walk through the plot
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here get on the millennium falcon for
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the first time
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yeah and for we've been talking for
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quite a while now but there's a lot that
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happens and it does take its time to get
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there before we get on the on the ship
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and and you know i'm i'm i'm aight lobby
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for I was thinking about this earlier
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you mentioned about favorite characters
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and I feel like it's hard to it's hard
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to pick a favorite character but i might
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actually lobby for the Millennium Falcon
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is my favorite character nerd
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wow it's a man who did not want a
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millennium fawlcon wanted to notice only
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characterized through a han because of
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Han wasn't on it is not as if the thing
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has a computer voice like it or you know
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it's missing characters really isn't for
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that's what i want to see I want to see
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ability Williams and michael william
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daniel daniels in night falken that's
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what i want to say anything and I would
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watch that ship lads at turbo boost
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their coming out
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driving you know I I think I'm my other
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I mean you know the argument make and I
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think this is a larger point was i think
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there's something really impressive
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about the number of characters of the
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don't talk intelligently in this movie
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and yet how much those characters convey
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and in particular I mean our to
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obviously but also to Ibaka who I think
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is a is a he's legitimately i think one
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of my favorite characters
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regardless of the fact that he does not
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speak any intelligible words in three
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movies and that's because you still get
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an idea of who he is you know you still
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get an idea of his character later on
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you know you see it being like that
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despite the fact being this big
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tough-looking guy and he's very scary at
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times he still freaks out the thing in
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the garbage compactor right like you
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know I think there's there's enough
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going on there that I i really like him
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to care and he doesn't get subtitle just
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like r2d2 doesn't get subtitled which is
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something which is actually move I mean
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like that's that
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yeah i think i like you would have a
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hard time selling that today
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well that's how you get them to say
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things that you couldn't stay in a
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pg-rated movie because you know what
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that you can imagine what they're saying
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based on the people's reaction to them
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and basically get all that both of them
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are free to say horrible things and
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essentially curse without have I want to
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actually do so I don't think r2d2 would
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curse all you have that that's what that
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really low
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I sound is trusting so that lets we were
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up to the water up to the mass murder
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basketball is a peaceful planet we have
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no weapons seriously now we have danced
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on the whole planet is like this one
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it's locked in a box i didn't we use
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butter knives to cut our meat that's
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right the so Alderaan I don't know if
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anybody has anything to say here i think
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this is one of those interesting
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interesting parts of the movie where
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where we get a little demonstration of
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the Death Star and and they decide hey
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will blow up a planet there's a there's
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a great piece out there on the internet
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on a blog called overthinking it where
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they talk about the economy of of the
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Empire i believe and they talk about i
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think that's what I think it's not
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overthinking and they talk about this is
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how much how much economic impact you
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have on the Empire if you destroy
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presumably what's a fairly high level
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industrial planet and where
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it was cost-effective to destroy
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Alderaan entire I mean they destroyed
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the planet that that's major export was
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peace and thus descended into civil war
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but they kept the rape gang Quinn that
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overthinking thing didn't just
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overthinking it but I mean it over
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played the opposing view because as the
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overthinking it peace eventually got to
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it's it's it's terrorism it's just as an
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example of its cementing your power
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through fear and economic impact of it
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pales compared I mean they say that
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yeah here will keep the systems in line
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yeah right exactly was that like this
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but i want to have got the piece is
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really funny and trying to try to put in
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a context but it's absolutely it is is
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we don't need the Senate really we just
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need them to realize that if they ever
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oppose us we will just blow up the
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planet at all the way that scene is also
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notable for the the appearance and
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disappearance of layers inexplicable
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accent her English it is it because
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English its I really any English very
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early on and i totally you know what I
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think that totally escaped me on almost
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every other prior viewing but this time
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for some reason when she first comes in
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on the you know the first scene with her
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entire log I was like she using a
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british accent and there's like
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Madonna's British accent it's not a real
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British she's speaking in the
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ambassadorial yes she's a freakin sense
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and she's speaking in the vernacular of
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diplomacy you know using a particular
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accent and then that goes away when she
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becomes a rebel yeah but IDK doing so
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can you explain the French accent yeah
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oh yes I else and you a good attacking
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IM supplies anything you want because
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and never underestimate the podcast that
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bank and working his French accent and
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my proudest moment as a father is
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related to the destruction of Alderaan
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okay but how my eldest son
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upon seeing the movie a few times but he
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says hey when they blew up Alderaan
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wouldn't she become queen and i have
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never considered that off my favorite
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queen of my friend for my it is that uh
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is that if i don't know if anybody else
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has listened to the star wars radio
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dramas which are actually quite good but
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there's there's that that infamous line
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of course where where Luke tries to
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convince hon to go after the princess it
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bitch and in upon the radio to actually
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point out
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well she was Richard all dread but it's
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not there anymore
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our money is on and money was an account
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don't have the money on the minded the
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Galactic Bank in PL crowns on the planet
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that's the the capital city your capital
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planet the Empire whatever its name is I
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guess we'll never know now
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yeah Imperial center something like that
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but but still I mean it's quite a
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shocking thing and this is the this is
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the point where you realize you know why
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the Death Star's here and they blow up
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an entire planet that's quite gets kind
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of bold these Empire guys are not
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messing around that's right they don't
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kid around and it's good for our kids
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movie where she gives in to the threats
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like we're going to blow up your planet
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you gotta tell us she tells them and
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when your kid you're like oh she told
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him to save our planet and they
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immediately blow it up which is not a
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complicated didn't she was lying and she
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does realize that's what happens when
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you like kids but to a little kid that
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was fairly shocking the plan because we
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all know it wasn't tortured does not
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produce accurate information enhanced
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interrogation the the sound design
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yeah when they're cranking up the Death
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Star I remember it just it just rattled
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me in my seat
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the low hum as they don't bounce the
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beam around inside whatever they're
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recognition
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fantastic i mean i think you know Ben
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all the work that's done we have because
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it's and that is some of the you know
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it's just phenomenal the stuff that he
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always fascinating if you were watching
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the behind-the-scenes stuff to see how
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we came up with all these sounds from
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these like ordinary objects that exist
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distorting them and combining them into
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something that's unrecognizable yet at
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the same time fits perfectly like chewy
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you know it seems like his voice seems
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right for him the blasters sound like
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right from what we would you know think
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of as blasters the lightsabers you know
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it all just seems to fit with you know
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the objects they're portraying and yet
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these are sounds that are you know
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totally unrecognizable you know from our
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reality
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they pick it's it's the fact that they
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decided that certain things needed sound
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at all that is the big thing with the
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soundscape this moving out the music but
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the soundscape is that you know when it
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comes time to say okay we're gonna have
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people shooting a gun obviously you know
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that has to make a sound and even like
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that they'll desktop has to make a sound
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but they add sounds in places where the
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movies didn't have any sound ever
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whatsoever in the biggest one I see is
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that whenever there's a piece of
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machinery on the screen
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they have a sound of that machinery and
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operation and the sound is different
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from the person inside the missionary to
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the person outside so this for example
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the x-wing
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when you're inside the x-wing this
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constant background high-pitched hum and
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they're saying that's the sound of the
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x-wing running and of course when you're
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outside it in space with no sound
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whatever there's a different sound of
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each of the neck but machinery in this
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universe makes noise when it's running
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this like your lawnmower make noise when
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it's ryan doesn't sound like your lawn
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mower but that but if any machinery is
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running there is a constant background
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noise and that adds tremendously to me
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when you're a little kid you know when
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you're in a car the car makes noise so
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when he's in his x-wing you can hear the
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x-wing running you the sound of the
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machine is there it really makes
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everything feel much more rebound of
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turning tractor beams off like it being
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dirty as well
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yeah just like visually all the machines
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are dirty because you
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yeah exactly it's a riddle lived in
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universe when I was a cheese I must have
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been ten just a few years after i made
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the discovery that if you take two
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double A batteries hold them loosely at
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the base and bang them together they
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sound just a little like lightsabers and
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and so I spend 40 50 60 hours doing that
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autumn autumn fall come a day off is
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when we get our first introduction into
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the force and then it's a mystical
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magical wonderful thing that is
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everywhere all around us and blue and
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put a little too technically we go out
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before they left but hey he will do
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wheeler or whether some of that well i'm
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thinking we wanted Ben Ben breaks him in
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and when he's at his house at ben's
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house and add the forces and mystical
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and he lies to him to about maybe about
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well maybe about his father in theory
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certain point of view
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thank you John R i'm thinking of Luke's
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for first we get the dead
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the chats with the Ray Harryhausen and
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stop motion animation animated chest
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guys right but working with my kiddos
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Laver one of my favorite things let the
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wookie that whole lakes that whole
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exchange is great stories don't pull
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people's arms out of theirs
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did they reverse the film there in terms
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of you know the perspectives when they
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were to win
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jubak is taking his arms down from
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behind his head
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they just seem to fall awfully fast the
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seventies they had trouble with film
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speed they were still cranking it by
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hand i think that's it you talk about
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the the some of the places where the
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special effects look just off and like
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the Millennium Falcon leaving most
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isolate always look like a really bad
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Matt to me even when I was young and
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Chewbacca taking his hand down from
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behind his head looks artificial I never
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noticed that when the sandpeople thrust
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their little Spears up and down that I I
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never realized that that's just like a
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half a second film played forward and
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backward a couple of times yeah that had
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no idea that you need in the ending
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scene with the with the space battle
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there's a couple clips to get reused in
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there too but it's I would still say
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they're really use fewer clips than a
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much later movie like for example top
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gun which we use air combat footage like
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crazy to an annoying degree that's what
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you found annoying about the elephant
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even something that had a limited budget
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yep yeah and the mix were training but
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the homoerotic subtext is perfect
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that was the best part about on the
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danger zone I mean what a song
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Oh Kenny Loggins wherefore art thou
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wow finally catalog incident involved in
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so now we probably have an attitude of
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the Opera ya inside of the star wars
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episode we were we finally got into what
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we wanted to talk about from real
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witches topcoat it's you know Star Wars
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is really a riddle wrapped in a mystery
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wrapped inside top gun so the other
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thing that happens on the Millennium
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Falcon is is Luke wears a helmet with
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the blast shield down and gets shot in
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the butt by a laser from a floating ball
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thing with spikes on it as you do i
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would like to know what a practical use
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of that blast shield is because
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seriously if you throw away from slabs
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and you have a time to put a completely
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opaque piece of
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metal over the front of your face it's I
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don't know it's free welding cheese this
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for well it's a completely opaque
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yeah when you don't need to see what
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your well-being and why did he have that
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it depends on how bright the blast is
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nothing if you put the word blast in
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front of everything anything it can make
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this a futuristic it's just like my
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heart to order the guys you're writing
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it and saying what's that thing has
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gotten from his case on i'll call a
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blast shield that was my George Lucas
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impression floating spiky blast ball you
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need a blast shield in case you get hit
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by a turbolaser but i think the keys the
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key part of the scene on the Millennium
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Falcon other than once again having the
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sound of the inside of the money back on
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the outside which we can all hear in
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your head now and know that that's the
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sound of the mine Falcon but anyway the
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key scene there i think is the Han
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expressing skepticism about the force
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because up to this point we were from
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Luke's point of view this old guy tells
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us about the forest now is always going
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to show us how to do it
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we've seen is all guide to effectively
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magic with these are not the droids
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you're looking for and stuff and we get
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on the ship and his lowest branches and
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we're not heroes to ya and hongos listen
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kid I seen a lot of strange things you
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know you go through that whole speech
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about I've never seen anything that he
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thinks is something some magical force
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controlling everything
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no forced finds his destiny you know it
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it'll give visit we didn't have that not
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so much in this movie but in later
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movies you wouldn't have any sort of
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diabetes like all the force and I and
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look believes and so I believe it and it
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shows that their skepticism that it's
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not you know that that there's some some
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leap of faith requires them to believe
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this is even possible even though we
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live in a world with spaceships and
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everything this crazy idea of the force
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is still a little bit wacky I think that
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was the key plot point dropped and in
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the interior the line talking scene in
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that but you know not only does a Darth
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Vader use the Force to choke somebody to
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he also uses it to get coffee in the
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comic con it
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yeah he does you don't use the word
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faith there to find his lack of faith
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disturbing
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I want you need that faith i'm choking
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you dude you don't have to believe
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believe that I believe it may go Greg
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can you explain
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can you explain the darth vader coffee
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thing by the way for those who don't
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know because this is one of my favorite
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things about about the original star
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wars in the comic version
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there's the conference room scene where
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they're discussing how the plans got
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away and who's to blame and your ancient
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religion blah blah blah and it just as
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as the people are talking around the
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table Vader floats over a Styrofoam cup
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of coffee and a little yes
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how does he drink it yes I don't know
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using the force and then United States
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he's holding it for the rest of the
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scene including our show gonna need to
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do all the only thing that would have
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been awesome about that is it well to
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give you guys something of a copy that
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throws it in his face installed that
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would be hilarious
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he should have been quietly sipping
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through his helmet while choking the guy
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that's the dark side band confidence for
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chokers Vader doesn't put any cream in
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his coffee by the way he likes it black
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takes that black just like you like I
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like my coffee like my like my evil
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likewise if Lawrence so we're gonna take
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a pause right here because of the
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podcast God's forced us to not do it to
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our podcast so we're going to cut this
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into two pieces
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stay tuned for the next installment
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where we will continue talking about
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star wars until then I want to thank my
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guests for taking us up to the halfway
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point John siracusa thank you you're
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very welcome Dan Moore and thank you may
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the force be with you always
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Scott McNulty thank you for being here
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for half of it i hope you come back for
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the second half
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I have a bad feeling about this ok and
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Greg moss
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thank you thank you Jason uh he feels
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like it sounds like a beaten man but
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he'll be back for more
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in our next installment and until then
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this is jason still thanks for listening
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we'll see you next time with more star
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