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302: Keep Watching the Skies


00:00:00   the incontrovertible number 302 may 2016 [TS]

00:00:08   13 get ready to the uncomfortable and [TS]

00:00:13   jason l and it is time for another [TS]

00:00:14   edition of old movie club club in this [TS]

00:00:19   edition we are going to be talking about [TS]

00:00:21   two movies produced by and otherwise [TS]

00:00:25   creatively involved by Howard Hawks [TS]

00:00:27   possibly directed or did he or didn't he [TS]

00:00:30   yes [TS]

00:00:31   his girl friday from nineteen forty [TS]

00:00:33   which he absolutely directed and the [TS]

00:00:35   thing from another world from 1951 which [TS]

00:00:37   literally directed he's not credited as [TS]

00:00:40   directing joining me to talk about the [TS]

00:00:42   many movies [TS]

00:00:43   yeah well there's only the two that [TS]

00:00:45   we're going to talk about tonight [TS]

00:00:47   are these lovely people Steve let's [TS]

00:00:48   hello hello Jason come on in [TS]

00:00:50   close the door FairPoint Monty Ashley hi [TS]

00:00:54   Monty hi Jason you know all you gotta do [TS]

00:00:56   is lie low and keep your mouth shut [TS]

00:00:59   wise words David jail or hi [TS]

00:01:02   what do you mean my name is Debbie I'm [TS]

00:01:03   just going to talk this fast for the [TS]

00:01:04   whole show [TS]

00:01:05   oh yeah i got that news for you [TS]

00:01:07   diabeetus Z that's what we get for [TS]

00:01:13   having guests with the disease [TS]

00:01:16   Erica and sign but I I'm glad to be here [TS]

00:01:19   because even 10 minutes is a long time [TS]

00:01:21   to be away from you guys are the [TS]

00:01:25   internets doctored ring is back with us [TS]

00:01:27   again for more old things [TS]

00:01:29   hi doc how's it going it's going fine [TS]

00:01:31   you know knowledge is more important [TS]

00:01:33   than life Jason we ought to the brain of [TS]

00:01:35   our species to stay here and die [TS]

00:01:39   Oh apply to any podcasts that's like the [TS]

00:01:43   mission statement of the show the [TS]

00:01:45   gentleman who makes this happen pics the [TS]

00:01:47   movies and tells us what to think and [TS]

00:01:48   then we savagely deny him and infuriate [TS]

00:01:51   him running the coffee it's a nasty day [TS]

00:01:53   it's phillip michael the big sleep well [TS]

00:01:57   Jason it was it's great to be here today [TS]

00:01:59   so Phil we we watch these two movies I [TS]

00:02:02   suppose we should take them [TS]

00:02:03   chronologically should we not can you [TS]

00:02:04   tell us why you chose them and hear [TS]

00:02:06   anything more about howard hawks and why [TS]

00:02:08   he is the unifying factor here [TS]

00:02:09   well you know I think Howard Hawks is a [TS]

00:02:13   Howard Hawks makes so many great movies [TS]

00:02:15   we could have picked any one of them [TS]

00:02:16   like the big sleep like gentlemen prefer [TS]

00:02:19   blondes is a very uh fun if in [TS]

00:02:23   substantial little musical [TS]

00:02:24   rio bravo Rio Bravo is about to say [TS]

00:02:27   there's a nice little Dutch late late [TS]

00:02:29   career John Wayne movie rio bravo that [TS]

00:02:31   he did and but I picked these two cuz [TS]

00:02:35   they're my two favorite Howard Hawks [TS]

00:02:36   movies although one of them make money [TS]

00:02:38   via Howard Hawks movie so here we are at [TS]

00:02:40   the very least it's produced by him [TS]

00:02:42   it says that much in the credits yeah [TS]

00:02:43   and it was made by his production [TS]

00:02:45   company is the in addition to him being [TS]

00:02:47   produced he didn't do it for a different [TS]

00:02:49   studio or a different outfit so it's [TS]

00:02:51   it's it's it's a Howard Hawks operation [TS]

00:02:54   just how much of it involves our docs [TS]

00:02:56   might be something we discuss later in [TS]

00:02:59   the little bit and are we certain that [TS]

00:03:00   letter the screenwriter is not in fact a [TS]

00:03:02   nom de plume of howard hawks know he's a [TS]

00:03:05   real person oh he took credit when he [TS]

00:03:07   was involved in this yeah yeah he said [TS]

00:03:09   he's a guy he writes a lot of howard [TS]

00:03:11   hawks and stuff but is not our Hawks i [TS]

00:03:14   have never seen him in the same room as [TS]

00:03:15   howard hawks at the same time when he [TS]

00:03:16   died before you were born so that's why [TS]

00:03:18   oh that may have something to do with it [TS]

00:03:20   they were buried together so what is the [TS]

00:03:24   hallway he did write a ridiculous number [TS]

00:03:27   of howard hawks film turns out they're [TS]

00:03:30   very together for that both of the ones [TS]

00:03:32   tonight yuh he adapted the MacArthur hex [TS]

00:03:36   play for for his gal Friday which leads [TS]

00:03:40   us into our first movie his girl Friday [TS]

00:03:42   Phil what what what did you tell us [TS]

00:03:44   about what you want to tell us about his [TS]

00:03:45   girl Friday [TS]

00:03:46   well it's one of those movies where [TS]

00:03:47   we're not going to spend a lot of time [TS]

00:03:48   discussing plot because it's really [TS]

00:03:50   incidental to anything hope that the [TS]

00:03:53   picture itself instead we'll do the [TS]

00:03:55   treacherous backstory of his gal Friday [TS]

00:03:57   which started life as a play called the [TS]

00:04:00   front page written by been hacked and [TS]

00:04:02   Charles MacArthur they were 2x Chicago [TS]

00:04:06   newspaper men and any influences that [TS]

00:04:09   their careers in chicago and corrupt [TS]

00:04:11   Chicago politicians might have had on [TS]

00:04:13   their play is purely coincidental [TS]

00:04:16   there was a movie I want to say was 1928 [TS]

00:04:20   but i might be off by a few years is [TS]

00:04:23   3131 thank you David off mon true state [TS]

00:04:27   of ma gio and pat o'brien and in that [TS]

00:04:30   movie it's it's this exact same spot [TS]

00:04:33   only Walter burns as the editor is the [TS]

00:04:37   managing editor [TS]

00:04:38   the the tree of the paper and Hilde [TS]

00:04:41   Johnson is his mail Star reporter and [TS]

00:04:44   there are many origin stories help his [TS]

00:04:48   gal Friday came to be one is that Howard [TS]

00:04:51   Hawks was just going to remake the front [TS]

00:04:53   page [TS]

00:04:53   and while they were doing the readings [TS]

00:04:56   for he had one of business his female [TS]

00:04:58   assistants reading the healthy Johnson [TS]

00:04:59   part and and thought hey that sounds [TS]

00:05:02   pretty snappy when it's a when it's when [TS]

00:05:04   it's a lady doing the exchanges with [TS]

00:05:06   Walter birds the other story and both of [TS]

00:05:10   these are in IMDb trivia because it's [TS]

00:05:11   dueling possibly apocryphal trivia that [TS]

00:05:15   they had a dinner party and howard hawks [TS]

00:05:16   pulled out the front page script just to [TS]

00:05:18   show how tightly written in what a great [TS]

00:05:20   great piece of staging it was and had [TS]

00:05:23   one of his female guests read the Holy [TS]

00:05:24   Johnson part and then the light bulb [TS]

00:05:26   came over his head and he sits say and [TS]

00:05:28   then been half said hey why don't you of [TS]

00:05:31   redo my my thing as a with a woman in [TS]

00:05:33   the part it's the front page and it's [TS]

00:05:36   got a got a lady playing the Holy [TS]

00:05:38   Johnson part and Hildy is a reporter and [TS]

00:05:41   there's a there's a execution about to [TS]

00:05:44   go down [TS]

00:05:45   Earl Williams who may or may not be an [TS]

00:05:48   anarchist he's not and but he is crazy [TS]

00:05:51   ya fantasy crazy and uh the corrupt [TS]

00:05:55   mayor and sheriff are trying to get him [TS]

00:05:57   executed uh two before election day so [TS]

00:06:00   that they can win on auntie radical [TS]

00:06:03   fervor and Hildy and her paper are [TS]

00:06:06   trying to stay so lots of papers and be [TS]

00:06:09   free him one is a more important to them [TS]

00:06:15   than the other i'll leave it to your [TS]

00:06:16   imagination as to which Hildy is in fact [TS]

00:06:18   leaving the paper because she is going [TS]

00:06:20   to get married to a fella named Bruce [TS]

00:06:22   Baldwin who's played by ralph bellamy in [TS]

00:06:25   the ralph bellamy part as as the nice [TS]

00:06:28   handsome man who is always spurned it by [TS]

00:06:32   the end of the picture [TS]

00:06:33   spoiler alert because he's a giant drip [TS]

00:06:35   yeah you know he looks I don't like [TS]

00:06:37   ralph bellamy though [TS]

00:06:39   yeah that girl filmy guy yeah that's [TS]

00:06:42   been the movies consistent Bellamy role [TS]

00:06:44   i think i've ever seen anything in his [TS]

00:06:46   youth other than this so I'm unfamiliar [TS]

00:06:48   with his that is the prototypical [TS]

00:06:51   yeah yes the surprise Roosevelt yes [TS]

00:06:54   where he plays the eve basically the [TS]

00:06:56   other fella haha yeah he's in at least [TS]

00:06:59   one friend ginger film as the other [TS]

00:07:02   fella [TS]

00:07:02   yeah as the guy who is decent enough but [TS]

00:07:05   but he's no fred astaire he's no Cary [TS]

00:07:07   Grant he's a boring insurance salesman [TS]

00:07:10   in this who would like to sweep her away [TS]

00:07:12   to albany yes where they will live their [TS]

00:07:15   life out in albany don't sell him short [TS]

00:07:18   he makes five thousand dollars a year in [TS]

00:07:20   the insurance because they're going to [TS]

00:07:22   live with mother with mother [TS]

00:07:24   yeah just for the first year the one [TS]

00:07:25   complication in this which I which I had [TS]

00:07:27   failed to mention is that Walter burns [TS]

00:07:29   used to be married to Hilde Johnson in [TS]

00:07:31   this version it would have been the [TS]

00:07:33   strange in the earlier version of the [TS]

00:07:35   front because in this video was pre-code [TS]

00:07:36   yeah recode very precocious hit our but [TS]

00:07:40   yeah [TS]

00:07:41   in this version they used to be married [TS]

00:07:43   there now divorced on you get the [TS]

00:07:45   feeling that Walter burns would very [TS]

00:07:47   much like to have he'll be working now [TS]

00:07:49   either back to the paper or being [TS]

00:07:51   married to him and he's not quite sure [TS]

00:07:53   which but one or the other or both would [TS]

00:07:55   be fine are so during this the the this [TS]

00:08:00   movie takes place over the course of an [TS]

00:08:01   evening and it's Walter burns trying to [TS]

00:08:05   trick you d into either stain to write a [TS]

00:08:08   story about her Williams or a man marry [TS]

00:08:12   him instead of bruce and and that brings [TS]

00:08:15   us to the series of complications and [TS]

00:08:17   layer dialog that makes his gal Friday a [TS]

00:08:20   must-see motion pictures so this is a [TS]

00:08:22   movie about a whole bunch of really [TS]

00:08:24   awful people [TS]

00:08:25   yeah you have everyone in this movie is [TS]

00:08:27   pretty awful that includes the the cadre [TS]

00:08:30   of reporters at the courthouse you kind [TS]

00:08:32   of act as a degree courses and when cars [TS]

00:08:36   they are just terrible people who joke [TS]

00:08:40   about her Williams getting hung and and [TS]

00:08:43   Driver Williams uh pseudo girlfriend to [TS]

00:08:46   leap from a window [TS]

00:08:48   steal each other's stories without a [TS]

00:08:50   whisper of guilt [TS]

00:08:53   look up staircases up women's skirts [TS]

00:08:56   although one of my favorite exchanges is [TS]

00:08:58   when the one guy is a reading the [TS]

00:09:00   straight story into the phone to his [TS]

00:09:02   paper and the other guy is listening and [TS]

00:09:04   reading a totally different version of [TS]

00:09:06   the story of his video this happened [TS]

00:09:09   several times during the picture and and [TS]

00:09:11   it's funnier each time I love all of the [TS]

00:09:15   telephone choreography in those and in a [TS]

00:09:17   good like the stage version is literally [TS]

00:09:20   only in that room that's the set for the [TS]

00:09:23   show the movie is like seventy percent [TS]

00:09:24   of that room so it's a they didn't make [TS]

00:09:26   much many changes to and just all of [TS]

00:09:30   that is so beautifully staged and I you [TS]

00:09:33   know I love like 11 guys like hang on [TS]

00:09:35   goes to the next one [TS]

00:09:36   he's not here and just hangs up the [TS]

00:09:38   phone because it's someone else's phone [TS]

00:09:40   I'm little things like that it's just [TS]

00:09:42   delightful it is yeah this the scene [TS]

00:09:44   that I like the best that they were all [TS]

00:09:46   reporting different things towards the [TS]

00:09:48   end you've got you got what the first [TS]

00:09:50   guy saying you know he was found on he [TS]

00:09:52   was unconscious when they found him and [TS]

00:09:54   then you know pan over to the next guy [TS]

00:09:56   captured after a value of struggle [TS]

00:09:57   offered no resistance like just one [TS]

00:09:59   after the other after the other all [TS]

00:10:01   completely different [TS]

00:10:03   let's talk about the relationship [TS]

00:10:04   between Walter burns and Hilde Johnson [TS]

00:10:06   because I think that's interesting it's [TS]

00:10:08   really sick [TS]

00:10:09   it's it's horrifying he will do anything [TS]

00:10:11   to create impediments to her going on [TS]

00:10:14   that train to albany or perhaps the [TS]

00:10:16   later train to albany he he he does sets [TS]

00:10:20   uh Bruce the boring insurance salesman [TS]

00:10:24   up to be arrested times during multi I'm [TS]

00:10:28   mashing he is he is causing lots of [TS]

00:10:32   trouble his his reasons for wanting to [TS]

00:10:35   keep her are paper-thin at best but he [TS]

00:10:39   keeps on going with them the line that i [TS]

00:10:40   wrote down that i thought was funny is I [TS]

00:10:43   need you to cover this [TS]

00:10:44   there's nobody on the paper who can [TS]

00:10:46   write which I thought you're employing a [TS]

00:10:48   lot of people at that paper and none of [TS]

00:10:50   them can write but that's ok he really [TS]

00:10:52   just wants her to stay [TS]

00:10:53   you've been editor you've never felt [TS]

00:10:55   like that yeah [TS]

00:10:57   it's probably you gotta give it a better [TS]

00:10:59   reason than that like people can write [TS]

00:11:01   that they could write different things [TS]

00:11:02   like ladies like you to tell him to take [TS]

00:11:04   a vacation like what she knows he can [TS]

00:11:06   write so he needs to go on vacation so [TS]

00:11:09   that that I can have you do this story [TS]

00:11:11   so i was i was amused by that and the [TS]

00:11:13   fact that he just shameless he doesn't [TS]

00:11:15   care he's gonna do whatever you can to [TS]

00:11:17   prevent her from leaving and when she [TS]

00:11:19   catches him lying which he does several [TS]

00:11:21   times he just laughs because he has as [TS]

00:11:24   you say no shame [TS]

00:11:25   yeah when she realizes sweetie got [TS]

00:11:27   married four months ago and this is 1940 [TS]

00:11:29   so he couldn't have be having a baby [TS]

00:11:32   already up just got me and i love that [TS]

00:11:35   scene in particular because it shows [TS]

00:11:36   that Walter and Hildy are at the same [TS]

00:11:39   level [TS]

00:11:40   yes there's a bunch of Loony Tunes [TS]

00:11:42   cartoons where bugs and Daffy are [TS]

00:11:45   fighting over Elmer and Elmer isn't [TS]

00:11:48   really a character he's just a stooge or [TS]

00:11:50   Elmer's bug says go to that definitely [TS]

00:11:52   arrange that ralph bellamy roll Yeah [TS]

00:11:54   right and that's what the dinner scene [TS]

00:11:57   really reminds me of where you've got to [TS]

00:12:00   sharpies yeah and then Ralph going so he [TS]

00:12:05   didn't have twins and they're [TS]

00:12:07   particularly right after that that [TS]

00:12:08   contempt in cary grant face when he's [TS]

00:12:11   like do you really not know what's going [TS]

00:12:13   on here [TS]

00:12:14   oh you chump yeah they are they're all [TS]

00:12:18   pretty awful people but the thing that I [TS]

00:12:21   kind of appreciate I mean besides the [TS]

00:12:22   fact that that the two of them are [TS]

00:12:24   really are communicating on their own [TS]

00:12:26   level know in a way they sort of belong [TS]

00:12:29   together for for that reason but i like [TS]

00:12:31   that relationship wise Walter only ever [TS]

00:12:35   tries to persuade her and bamboozled her [TS]

00:12:37   he never you know he he knows her well [TS]

00:12:40   enough to know that sort of forcing her [TS]

00:12:41   in any way or doing anything directly [TS]

00:12:43   isn't going to work [TS]

00:12:44   Bruce the ralph bellamy he doesn't know [TS]

00:12:46   that so he by the end you know he tries [TS]

00:12:49   to to make her leave with him and then [TS]

00:12:51   when she won't he gets upset and [TS]

00:12:53   basically insults her and yeah she's [TS]

00:12:55   she's a terrible person for the way that [TS]

00:12:56   she has treated him but she's operating [TS]

00:12:59   on a completely different level and and [TS]

00:13:01   i like that that the Cary Grant's [TS]

00:13:03   character is is operating on the same [TS]

00:13:05   level as her and is not getting all [TS]

00:13:08   all up in her face and trying to make [TS]

00:13:10   her do something that she doesn't want [TS]

00:13:11   to do he's just trying to convince her [TS]

00:13:12   via ways that are reprehensible but he [TS]

00:13:15   knows are going to work because he knows [TS]

00:13:17   she's reprehensible to know and and I [TS]

00:13:19   wonder how much of that comes from [TS]

00:13:21   originating it's a story about two men [TS]

00:13:24   without any romantic involvement whereas [TS]

00:13:26   you know if this had been crafted from [TS]

00:13:27   the beginning as a romantic screwball [TS]

00:13:30   comedy maybe that would have been [TS]

00:13:31   different but that's what's cool about [TS]

00:13:32   it i think in that the scene where she [TS]

00:13:34   enters initially into the room I guess [TS]

00:13:37   the press room at the courthouse and [TS]

00:13:39   there's banter going back and forth and [TS]

00:13:42   it's very much like she's one of the [TS]

00:13:43   guys right i mean they're just they're [TS]

00:13:45   shooting is right back and forth and [TS]

00:13:47   it's i'm not sure how much of that is [TS]

00:13:49   just because it was originally written [TS]

00:13:51   for a man but it's great because it's [TS]

00:13:53   like well she's accepted as one of the [TS]

00:13:55   awful reporters here if you think it's [TS]

00:13:56   something she's just as terrible as they [TS]

00:13:59   are but it's cool i think that's that's [TS]

00:14:01   I think my favorite bit where you know i [TS]

00:14:04   love seeing Hildy you know just she's [TS]

00:14:07   disrespected sort of force of nature [TS]

00:14:10   it's just it's very cool it's very [TS]

00:14:12   unusual to sin in a movie of this [TS]

00:14:14   vintage yeah and a lot of that is [TS]

00:14:16   straight from the play you can start to [TS]

00:14:18   make the argument that there are some of [TS]

00:14:19   the the katherine hepburn screwball [TS]

00:14:22   comedies bringing up baby which is [TS]

00:14:25   another hour talk that the other had him [TS]

00:14:27   yeah where she she'ssort of she's just [TS]

00:14:30   as sharp as everyone else but I that [TS]

00:14:33   this one goes the full the full nine ten [TS]

00:14:36   yards with with just making her every [TS]

00:14:38   much an agent of her malevolence along [TS]

00:14:43   with everyone else that she bribes cops [TS]

00:14:45   she threatens people with the power of [TS]

00:14:46   the press right she plants ideas and [TS]

00:14:49   guy's head so they don't get executed [TS]

00:14:50   while she runs the guy down and tackles [TS]

00:14:53   yeah yes but attack that's the best the [TS]

00:14:55   big difference between this and bringing [TS]

00:14:57   a baby and Katharine Hepburn in that is [TS]

00:14:59   that she's also a very competent person [TS]

00:15:02   she knows what she's doing and she's [TS]

00:15:04   good at it was Katherine Hepburn and [TS]

00:15:06   bringing a baby is just kind of an [TS]

00:15:08   incompetent idiots who happens to get [TS]

00:15:10   into trouble and happens to save the day [TS]

00:15:12   I would say cary grant is an incompetent [TS]

00:15:14   it's in that movie as well [TS]

00:15:16   yeah he's like beyond reason why I do [TS]

00:15:18   not like it as much as his girl Friday [TS]

00:15:19   which i will just briefly say is my [TS]

00:15:21   favorite movie [TS]

00:15:22   all time okay yeah and I actually like [TS]

00:15:25   the idea that in addition to treating [TS]

00:15:28   Hildy as she's just she's just one of [TS]

00:15:30   the newspaper meant because that's what [TS]

00:15:31   she is [TS]

00:15:32   they don't rub our noses in the fact [TS]

00:15:34   that she's doing something different [TS]

00:15:36   from most women in the world it's just [TS]

00:15:37   sort of a fact of life [TS]

00:15:38   I mean they could treat her nicely and [TS]

00:15:40   also have a couple of scenes in there [TS]

00:15:41   making it really clear look at this [TS]

00:15:43   we've got a ladies doing something [TS]

00:15:45   different they never give us any of that [TS]

00:15:47   and i love the fact it's refreshing that [TS]

00:15:49   she's trying to escape this non feminine [TS]

00:15:52   lifestyle and give it a try being being [TS]

00:15:55   a a woman going home and raising kids [TS]

00:15:57   and stuff like that and they don't shame [TS]

00:15:59   her for that in any kind of overt way [TS]

00:16:01   they they just sort of tease her about [TS]

00:16:02   it in a good nature Josh and kind of a [TS]

00:16:05   way like oh you know I give it six [TS]

00:16:06   months you'll get bored at home which is [TS]

00:16:07   the same kind of teasing they would give [TS]

00:16:09   a man who decided to you know retire to [TS]

00:16:11   the country if he was a newspaper man [TS]

00:16:12   who is going to get bored retiring to [TS]

00:16:14   the country so it was ni I do suspect [TS]

00:16:17   that a lot of it is because the [TS]

00:16:18   character was transition from male to [TS]

00:16:21   female and they didn't add a bunch of [TS]

00:16:22   that in but they could have added a [TS]

00:16:24   bunch of that crap it and they didn't so [TS]

00:16:26   it's just it's so nice to be watching it [TS]

00:16:28   from this time in 2016 and recognizing [TS]

00:16:31   that the majority of the movies made in [TS]

00:16:33   2016 don't treat women as well as [TS]

00:16:36   Russell gets treated in his girl Friday [TS]

00:16:38   if anything the other news been seem [TS]

00:16:40   jealous about the fact that they can't [TS]

00:16:42   they don't have that out [TS]

00:16:43   yeah they would love to be able to get [TS]

00:16:45   married get the hell out of there but [TS]

00:16:46   it's not an option for them although I [TS]

00:16:49   never I never believed that she the the [TS]

00:16:52   whole idea like well I'm gonna uh you're [TS]

00:16:54   a newspaper man i want to go somewhere [TS]

00:16:55   where I can be a woman she says and and [TS]

00:16:58   she's gonna go to the beach this morning [TS]

00:17:00   this boring guy and go to Albany I never [TS]

00:17:03   believe for a second that this is [TS]

00:17:06   something that she would legitimately [TS]

00:17:08   want to do and I realize this is a zany [TS]

00:17:10   comedy and all that but there is no way [TS]

00:17:12   that somebody is sharp as this woman is [TS]

00:17:14   would first much and is good at her job [TS]

00:17:16   would abandon it but certainly would [TS]

00:17:18   abandon it to go to Albany with this [TS]

00:17:20   drip it is that part of it i'm just like [TS]

00:17:22   come on how is this even [TS]

00:17:24   how do we get to this point i will tell [TS]

00:17:26   you as as a woman i will tell you how [TS]

00:17:28   that's possible [TS]

00:17:29   she just got back from like four weeks [TS]

00:17:30   in Bermuda she was relaxing she was in a [TS]

00:17:33   completely different place mentally she [TS]

00:17:35   probably [TS]

00:17:35   not wined and dined and was able to just [TS]

00:17:37   relax and decompress with this guy for a [TS]

00:17:40   while so so yeah she's thinking this is [TS]

00:17:42   wonderful this is what I want to do I [TS]

00:17:44   mean she is sooo she's back in the real [TS]

00:17:46   world for like a week I'm sure she would [TS]

00:17:48   change your mind but I do believe that [TS]

00:17:49   this character at that point at the [TS]

00:17:51   beginning of it had has made the [TS]

00:17:53   decision that yes this is something she [TS]

00:17:54   wants to try this is what last plot what [TS]

00:17:57   plot if you give you if you recall from [TS]

00:18:00   the opening scenes of the movie she [TS]

00:18:02   chides Walter for not opening the door [TS]

00:18:04   for her which he will do one time and [TS]

00:18:06   then the very next door there is [TS]

00:18:07   something for me it's just eat just [TS]

00:18:11   leaves you behind that walks through [TS]

00:18:12   deliberately very literally very [TS]

00:18:14   deliberately so I think it's important [TS]

00:18:16   that she she had those weeks in Bermuda [TS]

00:18:18   right after her divorce she spent the [TS]

00:18:20   whole time [TS]

00:18:21   fuming about this impossible idiot she [TS]

00:18:23   was married to [TS]

00:18:24   I'm not going back there I'm never going [TS]

00:18:26   back there [TS]

00:18:27   albany sounds great that Ralph Bellamy [TS]

00:18:30   is his rebound man yeah yeah totally [TS]

00:18:32   totally he is the classic rebound guy [TS]

00:18:35   he's calm he's mellow he's responsible [TS]

00:18:38   he's well he's one of the two classic [TS]

00:18:40   classic rebound guy types you it's [TS]

00:18:42   either the the two nice guy who's boring [TS]

00:18:43   or the super jerk and she was she was [TS]

00:18:46   married to the super that with the [TS]

00:18:48   rebound guy asking one of the biggest [TS]

00:18:50   changes that I see between this version [TS]

00:18:53   and the original front page of apart [TS]

00:18:56   obviously from the sex change of Hildy [TS]

00:18:57   is how Walter is almost as different as [TS]

00:19:02   healthy is in this in the in the regular [TS]

00:19:05   front-page Walter is absolutely [TS]

00:19:08   reprehensible he has he's not charming [TS]

00:19:11   he is you know he's an a-hole off is at [TS]

00:19:14   times just an awful person and Cary [TS]

00:19:18   Grant's an awful person but my God he's [TS]

00:19:20   amazingly charming I mean how can you [TS]

00:19:23   not love him Cary Grant I mean yeah it's [TS]

00:19:26   hard to make Cary Grant not lovable what [TS]

00:19:29   my wife my wife and I have a theory we [TS]

00:19:31   call it the Brad Pitt conundrum and it's [TS]

00:19:33   the it's the problem that of the [TS]

00:19:35   handsome man who is very good at comedy [TS]

00:19:38   but they but because he's so handsome to [TS]

00:19:40   keep making them do handsome man rolls [TS]

00:19:43   and the jon Hamm's John ham suffers from [TS]

00:19:45   this there there's a few other people [TS]

00:19:47   but I think Cary Grant is the [TS]

00:19:49   original Brad Pitt in the sense in that [TS]

00:19:52   he get got cast in all these movies and [TS]

00:19:54   he's fine and but the the really great [TS]

00:19:57   stuff that he does is this movie and [TS]

00:20:00   North by Northwest which in essence he's [TS]

00:20:03   he's doing a comic role there so it's a [TS]

00:20:05   comedy yeah yeah yeah and you you just [TS]

00:20:08   watch his stuff that the phone scene [TS]

00:20:10   where is remaking the front page and [TS]

00:20:12   it's just him scream unit Duffy who is [TS]

00:20:15   off-screen the entire time [TS]

00:20:17   nevermind the european war so the brake [TS]

00:20:19   cranks a little bit i have to admit that [TS]

00:20:21   i do find Walter so reprehensible that i [TS]

00:20:24   don't find him that charming i find the [TS]

00:20:26   charming this kind of clothing and [TS]

00:20:27   disturb him as much as I find Cary [TS]

00:20:30   Grant's timing and delivery perfect and [TS]

00:20:33   he's wonderful in this role the [TS]

00:20:35   character is just too awful for me [TS]

00:20:37   perfect yeah that's probably my single [TS]

00:20:39   my biggest complaint with this movie is [TS]

00:20:42   the comedy here is great and it's madcap [TS]

00:20:45   and it's hilarious and it would work so [TS]

00:20:47   much better if there was somebody here I [TS]

00:20:48   can hang onto as somebody that I didn't [TS]

00:20:50   want dead Earl Williams lower Williams [TS]

00:20:56   the murder of a black cop is the most [TS]

00:20:59   likable character in the film of their [TS]

00:21:01   therefore Cary Grant films from this [TS]

00:21:03   period that I love I just absolutely [TS]

00:21:05   love them but to varying degrees and i [TS]

00:21:09   have to say of the four i might like [TS]

00:21:10   this one the least mainly because it is [TS]

00:21:14   it is that reprehensible pneus it's I [TS]

00:21:16   you know I can't quite get past that [TS]

00:21:18   whereas you know in bringing a baby he's [TS]

00:21:21   a ditz but he's a sweet guy and he's a [TS]

00:21:23   total innocent or in topper he's not [TS]

00:21:26   exactly an innocent but he's not he's [TS]

00:21:28   not quite disillusions point in all of [TS]

00:21:30   his charm here is in the service of [TS]

00:21:32   getting his way exactly none of it's [TS]

00:21:34   just charm it's all that's tyrants of [TS]

00:21:36   the two flaws i find it [TS]

00:21:38   this is that's one of them and the other [TS]

00:21:40   is that as much as I love the fact that [TS]

00:21:42   they've done the gender swap and they've [TS]

00:21:43   thrown in this whole subplot it does [TS]

00:21:46   feel like two different movies at times [TS]

00:21:48   it's like well we're gonna have this and [TS]

00:21:50   we've taken away the the sort of serious [TS]

00:21:52   subplot going on in the front page and [TS]

00:21:54   the serious part was kind of good that [TS]

00:21:56   was kind of the sharp satire of it but [TS]

00:21:59   you know it's a great variation i love [TS]

00:22:01   as you know it's still one of my [TS]

00:22:02   favorite movies yeah i would say for [TS]

00:22:04   that era I something more like the awful [TS]

00:22:07   truth would probably my favorite because [TS]

00:22:08   that also has ralph bellamy as the other [TS]

00:22:10   guy as well and I what he does [TS]

00:22:13   yeah he's not so he's not so so [TS]

00:22:16   reprehensible in that one and he's yes [TS]

00:22:19   he's trying to undermine you know his [TS]

00:22:21   wife and ralph bellamy but it's it's [TS]

00:22:22   more charming it's more cute [TS]

00:22:24   see I prefer the smart conniving cary [TS]

00:22:27   grant this one and the philadelphia [TS]

00:22:29   story he knows what he's doing and I [TS]

00:22:31   like that a lot more than the manic cary [TS]

00:22:34   grant you get in Arsenic and Old Lace [TS]

00:22:36   baby or arsenic and old lace where my [TS]

00:22:39   fingers like that'll down I do i do love [TS]

00:22:41   my favorite way far matching bobby-soxer [TS]

00:22:43   yeah although holiday maybe my favorite [TS]

00:22:46   getting back to your talking about this [TS]

00:22:47   sort of serious side to this the satire [TS]

00:22:49   side I think my favorite scene in the [TS]

00:22:51   movie is probably just after they've [TS]

00:22:54   badgered poor Molly Molloy into tears [TS]

00:22:57   and he leads her out of the room and and [TS]

00:23:00   there's just a about yeah maybe 20 [TS]

00:23:02   seconds of silence where all the [TS]

00:23:04   reporters just feel absolutely awful for [TS]

00:23:07   what they've done and they know their [TS]

00:23:09   reprehensible people and they just they [TS]

00:23:10   look like they want to die and they're [TS]

00:23:12   at their poker game is clearly ruined [TS]

00:23:14   and it's just it's a wonderful dramatic [TS]

00:23:16   moment in the middle of this this comic [TS]

00:23:18   wackiness but it does you're right sort [TS]

00:23:21   of sticks out like a sore thumb for all [TS]

00:23:23   that [TS]

00:23:23   yeah we haven't really talked about it [TS]

00:23:24   but that's the one moment people are [TS]

00:23:26   talking a hundred miles an hour the [TS]

00:23:29   summer movie stops there's a moment of [TS]

00:23:32   human emotion [TS]

00:23:33   there's some breathing and then that its [TS]

00:23:36   back to going crazy right now and it's [TS]

00:23:38   so much more powerful because of that it [TS]

00:23:40   stands out very starkly mean it's after [TS]

00:23:43   she yells it's a Wonderbolt lightning no [TS]

00:23:45   come down and strike y'all dead and then [TS]

00:23:47   you know she's out of the room and then [TS]

00:23:49   whoa i love it the gentlemen of the [TS]

00:23:52   press [TS]

00:23:54   oh you're one to talk ility improvement [TS]

00:23:57   i like the in terms of the reality of [TS]

00:24:00   being in the news media I think the [TS]

00:24:02   story about the the fact that in their [TS]

00:24:05   previous marriage and also in the at the [TS]

00:24:08   very end when they're talking about [TS]

00:24:10   going to niagara falls and there's that [TS]

00:24:13   moment of like well but along the way [TS]

00:24:14   there's a story that that's not that far [TS]

00:24:19   off from the life with somebody you know [TS]

00:24:21   I mean yeah right you know that really [TS]

00:24:23   rang true to Melike but on the way we [TS]

00:24:26   have to do this other thing because [TS]

00:24:27   that's the the you end up going to wear [TS]

00:24:29   the news is and so that as ridiculous as [TS]

00:24:32   this story is in so many ways I i saw [TS]

00:24:34   that was like yeah actually that's [TS]

00:24:36   better right yeah I love it it's so [TS]

00:24:37   depressing there were healthy just [TS]

00:24:39   resignedly says okay well honeymoon in [TS]

00:24:41   albany like this more sin nature is once [TS]

00:24:43   again been tamed by this scumbag maybe [TS]

00:24:46   Bruce can cross on his spelling yeah [TS]

00:24:48   with Mama that they will get to Niagara [TS]

00:24:51   Falls they're just gonna have to stop [TS]

00:24:52   off and file a story they're not going [TS]

00:24:54   to do we're reporting and related to [TS]

00:24:56   Niagara Falls answer they'll get there [TS]

00:24:58   might be a tragedy there they do like [TS]

00:25:00   each other though there's a great scene [TS]

00:25:02   where she's gotten the story of where [TS]

00:25:05   the gun came from and even though [TS]

00:25:07   they're talking to each other on the [TS]

00:25:08   phone the way it shot they're both [TS]

00:25:10   leaning into the phone saying oh I gotta [TS]

00:25:13   pick Walter you're gonna love this [TS]

00:25:14   yeah yeah go on and I think the [TS]

00:25:17   characters really do genuinely love each [TS]

00:25:19   other do they love each other they love [TS]

00:25:21   their job because i'm i'm not certain [TS]

00:25:23   that so much affection for each other as [TS]

00:25:25   they love to be journalists you know [TS]

00:25:28   they love to dig dirt and love to have a [TS]

00:25:30   scoop [TS]

00:25:31   well and they're good at doing those [TS]

00:25:32   things together so I mean whether that [TS]

00:25:34   whether that parlays itself into actual [TS]

00:25:36   love or it's just simply the fact that [TS]

00:25:38   they work so well together as a team [TS]

00:25:40   professionally which I mean but [TS]

00:25:42   considering the way the movie starts and [TS]

00:25:44   ends I think that's probably the case [TS]

00:25:46   they are great together dynamite as a [TS]

00:25:48   couple on the paper but you know at home [TS]

00:25:50   she kind of wanted to be coddled a [TS]

00:25:52   little bit more and that never ever [TS]

00:25:53   happens so I think she's yeah but they [TS]

00:25:55   enjoy each other's company so much like [TS]

00:25:58   in that dinner scene at the beginning [TS]

00:26:00   there's a moment where he lights a [TS]

00:26:01   cigarette off her match [TS]

00:26:03   smirks at her about how cute is being [TS]

00:26:05   and she kinda gives them a look like [TS]

00:26:07   yeah all right you got that [TS]

00:26:09   yeah she thinks his jerkiness is [TS]

00:26:10   hilarious it's clear he's right maybe I [TS]

00:26:15   just feel Bellamy's pain too much are [TS]

00:26:20   the other guy but you got a little bit [TS]

00:26:22   Bellamy pain or sepia Bellamy I think [TS]

00:26:25   the funniest line in the whole nation [TS]

00:26:27   not writing class [TS]

00:26:27   my dad's you know and he is how he says [TS]

00:26:31   insurance is a good honest business like [TS]

00:26:34   wild times I changed so i was gonna I [TS]

00:26:38   was gonna say i'd like to talk about a [TS]

00:26:39   couple of the supporting characters here [TS]

00:26:42   yes three standout starting with Jean [TS]

00:26:45   Lockhart old movie club standby gealach [TS]

00:26:49   are ya soon as the judge in Miracle on [TS]

00:26:52   thirty-fourth Street yeah he's Peter be [TS]

00:26:54   Hartwell be for brains [TS]

00:26:56   there's a lot of Miracle on [TS]

00:26:57   thirty-fourth Street actors in this [TS]

00:26:58   movie is there are there are on and he [TS]

00:27:02   he's just fantastic as just this [TS]

00:27:05   yeah is that the hapless sheriff and he [TS]

00:27:08   is his outstanding speaking of us to [TS]

00:27:11   just getting bullied around by two [TS]

00:27:13   sharpies yeah yeah except he's getting [TS]

00:27:15   bullied around by everyone [TS]

00:27:17   how did he get to be Sheriff he was down [TS]

00:27:20   ticket because of the political machine [TS]

00:27:22   got him in there again one thing one [TS]

00:27:25   thing i love about him is there's the [TS]

00:27:27   scenes where Walter and he'll be [TS]

00:27:29   believed someone but then there's this [TS]

00:27:30   scene where the mayor and the sheriff [TS]

00:27:31   try to bully somebody else and even [TS]

00:27:34   though it's the softest dumbest guy in [TS]

00:27:36   the world and that we love to have [TS]

00:27:38   another great guy Billy Gilbert is the [TS]

00:27:40   name of that actors Pettibone the voice [TS]

00:27:43   of sneezy [TS]

00:27:44   yes there you go I knew anything voice [TS]

00:27:47   from somewhere [TS]

00:27:48   jiminy crickets also in this movie and [TS]

00:27:50   he's fantastic particularly when he's [TS]

00:27:52   drunk [TS]

00:27:53   yes I yeah watch this versus the of the [TS]

00:27:56   1931 version the of the front page and [TS]

00:28:00   where where where [TS]

00:28:02   Pettibone comes in he's a different [TS]

00:28:05   character in that movie i think his name [TS]

00:28:06   is Pincus but he comes in and it is does [TS]

00:28:09   the drunk routine and it's it's it's not [TS]

00:28:11   as well timed as it is here and a lot of [TS]

00:28:13   that is really Billy Gilbert's reaction [TS]

00:28:16   like when he tries to show the mayor a [TS]

00:28:17   picture of his wife and he says she's a [TS]

00:28:20   very handsome woman just another night I [TS]

00:28:24   I that is so that puts me on the floor [TS]

00:28:27   each time there's a moment where the [TS]

00:28:29   where they're trying to bribe them they [TS]

00:28:30   say all you gotta do is lie low keep [TS]

00:28:32   your mouth shut [TS]

00:28:33   immediately says well I'm tired anyway [TS]

00:28:35   great and finally the life preserver I [TS]

00:28:39   needed is a DC [TS]

00:28:40   the guy who is unable to be later or [TS]

00:28:43   bribed into doing something horrible [TS]

00:28:46   well here's a decent guy who is bullied [TS]

00:28:47   and bribed into doing horrible things [TS]

00:28:49   John kalyan please Earl Williams and he [TS]

00:28:51   is magnificent [TS]

00:28:53   he's such a sad little man and he's been [TS]

00:28:56   another old movie clip movie too he was [TS]

00:28:58   them the Deputy Speaker I work in a [TS]

00:29:00   anatomy of a murder complain a lot of [TS]

00:29:03   sweet in a lot of traffic but ya know [TS]

00:29:07   Andy's berger and his burger in [TS]

00:29:09   Casablanca the guy who tries to talk [TS]

00:29:11   about how he had contact with the Victor [TS]

00:29:14   Laszlo what he was doing a Swedish [TS]

00:29:17   accent anatomy of a murder right yeah [TS]

00:29:19   yeah because it's it's a buckles that's [TS]

00:29:22   that's human anatomy of a murder is the [TS]

00:29:25   guy whose wife makes bad food my [TS]

00:29:27   favorite supporting role is the blonde [TS]

00:29:29   just because of the moment where Ralph [TS]

00:29:33   Bellamy is calling Hildy to say he got [TS]

00:29:36   arrested for mashing they call it [TS]

00:29:37   mashing he he says yes she's blonde and [TS]

00:29:42   looks over at her and she not like yeah [TS]

00:29:45   that's right i'm like not very long and [TS]

00:29:49   she know well by know i was born right [TS]

00:29:51   here in this country her know he does a [TS]

00:29:54   lot with her two minutes of screen time [TS]

00:29:56   yeah my favorite favorite bit of the [TS]

00:29:58   side characters is the sort of little [TS]

00:30:00   side joke that the sheriff has hired a [TS]

00:30:03   bunch of his family and his landlord and [TS]

00:30:05   stuff to try to clinical keep the order [TS]

00:30:07   after the hanging because you know the [TS]

00:30:09   Red Menace is such a such a big deal and [TS]

00:30:11   they are such bumbling fumbling and [TS]

00:30:14   competence that like a tier bomb goes [TS]

00:30:15   off in their midst and they have to be [TS]

00:30:17   hospitalized in like you get that in [TS]

00:30:19   into separate pieces because in the in [TS]

00:30:20   the beginning of the movie sort of hear [TS]

00:30:21   about that in the background with the [TS]

00:30:23   sheriff hiring all of his friends and [TS]

00:30:24   family and then later on you get the new [TS]

00:30:25   story about about that everybody that [TS]

00:30:28   got hurt and had to go to the hospital [TS]

00:30:29   was related to him is it one of his [TS]

00:30:31   relatives that shoots the scrub lady [TS]

00:30:34   oh yes all of his relatives she [TS]

00:30:36   described waiting there goes another [TS]

00:30:37   scrub ladylike they say with glee [TS]

00:30:40   so when Hildy's interviewing Earl [TS]

00:30:42   Williams is she genuinely trying to get [TS]

00:30:45   a story or she just buffalo wing him [TS]

00:30:47   into us story she can use I think she's [TS]

00:30:50   trying for a story but realize it's [TS]

00:30:51   pretty quick that this guy's got nothing [TS]

00:30:53   so then she's like okay [TS]

00:30:54   a plan B Buffalo I think she's doing the [TS]

00:30:57   journalism practice at the time which is [TS]

00:30:58   you kind of wrote the lead on the way to [TS]

00:31:00   the ballpark food she just she plants [TS]

00:31:03   that idea right in his head and he's [TS]

00:31:04   gonna go with it from there on out he's [TS]

00:31:06   very easily led fellow i'm not sure that [TS]

00:31:08   she knows that there's a difference to [TS]

00:31:10   her [TS]

00:31:10   yeah i mean i think that's the point is [TS]

00:31:13   that it's the same if it makes a good [TS]

00:31:15   story then it's right then and it's true [TS]

00:31:18   and that's okay because these folks bear [TS]

00:31:20   no resemblance to the men and women of [TS]

00:31:22   the press [TS]

00:31:23   yeah I was just gonna say that yeah such [TS]

00:31:26   a sarcastic opening screen just getting [TS]

00:31:30   ready just getting ready even though [TS]

00:31:32   they have that they have an FDR joke in [TS]

00:31:33   there though they have lots of jokes [TS]

00:31:35   they mentioned the european war [TS]

00:31:37   yeah they mentioned the restart now [TS]

00:31:39   that's a human interest story got to [TS]

00:31:43   keep that all there is right i mean i'm [TS]

00:31:46   interested in it I wouldn't know about [TS]

00:31:48   that rooster [TS]

00:31:49   yeah that it's weird there's a lot of [TS]

00:31:51   ad-libbing but there's it's also really [TS]

00:31:53   rigorously time to movie like yeah [TS]

00:31:56   newspaper men can't be at living because [TS]

00:31:58   they have to be hitting their lines [TS]

00:32:00   staccato great it's mostly i think [TS]

00:32:03   between wrestling and grant allegedly [TS]

00:32:06   Roz Russell came on set and didn't [TS]

00:32:10   really get along with Howard Hawks and [TS]

00:32:11   sort of felt overmatched so she hired [TS]

00:32:14   their own writer in essence to kinda [TS]

00:32:16   punch up your dialogue has supposedly [TS]

00:32:18   cary grant came on set every day and [TS]

00:32:20   said so what you got the day there are a [TS]

00:32:23   couple lines where that stands out the 1 [TS]

00:32:25   i'm convinced she had lived because they [TS]

00:32:27   cut right after it is when Kari grant [TS]

00:32:29   says I'm as good as I ever was just kind [TS]

00:32:32   of mumbles well there's never anything [TS]

00:32:33   to brag about anything they cut and then [TS]

00:32:36   go back to at slightly different angle [TS]

00:32:38   and Cary Grant is still laughing yes and [TS]

00:32:42   as the ralph bellamy jokes that cary [TS]

00:32:44   grant makes was an admin area very [TS]

00:32:46   clearly that and the Archie leach [TS]

00:32:48   largely to the be at Alaska crossed him [TS]

00:32:50   was Archie leach that's a good that was [TS]

00:32:52   good of course Cary Cary Grant had the [TS]

00:32:54   fact that way that will be it's baffling [TS]

00:32:56   who let them make this it's very meta [TS]

00:33:02   what were they thinking well there's the [TS]

00:33:04   condom joke yeah right yeah [TS]

00:33:06   I'm surprised the Hays office let them [TS]

00:33:08   get away with things like well we could [TS]

00:33:10   have gone to jail for that to you know [TS]

00:33:11   they might not have noticed you see some [TS]

00:33:14   of that stuff though in movies of that [TS]

00:33:16   time but i do think the rubber joke [TS]

00:33:18   yeah I think that went right over the [TS]

00:33:20   heads of the AG's office they didn't [TS]

00:33:22   understand that at all [TS]

00:33:24   uh it was it was just a little bit too [TS]

00:33:26   early like that's a joke they could not [TS]

00:33:28   have gotten away with after the war I [TS]

00:33:30   think i mighta gotten over my head which [TS]

00:33:31   joke are we talking about here [TS]

00:33:33   he's it's it's in one of my favorite [TS]

00:33:35   scenes where Carrie Grand Rounds Russell [TS]

00:33:38   have gone out of Cary Grant's office [TS]

00:33:40   they're going back into the waiting room [TS]

00:33:41   and he he starts talking to the old man [TS]

00:33:44   as if he's Bruce right and then you know [TS]

00:33:47   and then basically insults and you don't [TS]

00:33:48   stay out of my business [TS]

00:33:50   uh I'll thank you to you know keep your [TS]

00:33:52   nose out of my affairs after he's [TS]

00:33:53   harassing the guy for a while but then [TS]

00:33:56   he shakes shakes ralph bellamy sunbrella [TS]

00:34:00   instead of his hand first and then shake [TS]

00:34:02   his hand and there's some awkwardness [TS]

00:34:03   between the two of them and you know do [TS]

00:34:06   you always carry an umbrella well it was [TS]

00:34:08   like smiling today and 0 and and you [TS]

00:34:13   have rubbers two and one of my favorite [TS]

00:34:15   thing can see is there's no answer to [TS]

00:34:17   that it's I don't know whether this is [TS]

00:34:19   Bellamy doing this it's written this way [TS]

00:34:21   or it's staged by hawks but the answer [TS]

00:34:24   is just ralph bellamy you lifting his [TS]

00:34:28   foot and kind of looking down as his [TS]

00:34:31   answer to that which is spectacular and [TS]

00:34:34   uh and then Kari grant williams it's [TS]

00:34:37   good that you're always prepared and [TS]

00:34:40   instigate it works as it works as a joke [TS]

00:34:42   at the at the level that the sensors [TS]

00:34:44   obviously thought it was that use this [TS]

00:34:46   dull guy who wears overshoes all the [TS]

00:34:48   time whenever he thinks it's raining but [TS]

00:34:50   then it also works as a snide comment by [TS]

00:34:53   walter to the sky that he'll be [TS]

00:34:55   obviously knows about but that but that [TS]

00:34:57   Bruce doesn't it's it's a it's a great [TS]

00:35:00   scene and it works it [TS]

00:35:02   the jokes are stacked on top of one [TS]

00:35:04   another in that scene i love them [TS]

00:35:05   that's Walter at full power a moment ago [TS]

00:35:07   he was depressed he's okay well I guess [TS]

00:35:10   you're going to leave but then as soon [TS]

00:35:12   as hilde says go roust right outside [TS]

00:35:15   Walter snaps right back into oh he's [TS]

00:35:17   right outside is a well let's get this [TS]

00:35:19   going [TS]

00:35:20   I assume that depression was an act to [TS]

00:35:22   not sure was [TS]

00:35:23   now they are there are some moments you [TS]

00:35:25   get a glimpse of the real walter birds [TS]

00:35:28   for a for a brief moment it's nice to be [TS]

00:35:30   able to snap so quickly back and forth [TS]

00:35:32   between the two is because he's a [TS]

00:35:33   sociopath that's exactly why we can [TS]

00:35:37   assume that he's being truthful when [TS]

00:35:38   he's acting like this down and depressed [TS]

00:35:39   and I was and what I will say this i [TS]

00:35:41   have a long list of notes from this [TS]

00:35:42   movie it's all just jokes i like and [TS]

00:35:45   it's like two-thirds of the movie he may [TS]

00:35:49   be awful but he comes by it naturally [TS]

00:35:51   his grandfather was a snake I still [TS]

00:35:53   claim I was tight when I proposed to you [TS]

00:35:54   i would like to submit the entire script [TS]

00:35:57   yeah so I naturally assumed that rubbers [TS]

00:35:58   thing was a condom joke but then I [TS]

00:36:00   figured that they probably are doing a [TS]

00:36:02   condom joke there that's probably on the [TS]

00:36:03   level nobody kno know when I'm not about [TS]

00:36:07   watching ID each time is that I always [TS]

00:36:08   pick up more of the dialogue that's just [TS]

00:36:12   thrown in there is is as background [TS]

00:36:14   noise because it is this moment where [TS]

00:36:16   he'll be is walking through the newsroom [TS]

00:36:17   after being away in in Bermuda and some [TS]

00:36:20   and one of the other Reporter says [TS]

00:36:21   you're my cat just a friends again and [TS]

00:36:24   Hilda says without breaking stride well [TS]

00:36:26   it's your own fault road it's all her [TS]

00:36:29   fault [TS]

00:36:30   yes yes yeah yeah yeah that's the thing [TS]

00:36:32   i love about a lot of hawks films is the [TS]

00:36:35   crosstalk I mean people talk about that [TS]

00:36:36   with like Robert Altman but I mean this [TS]

00:36:39   is where you see it really starting and [TS]

00:36:43   they're just wonderful throw away things [TS]

00:36:45   just passed back and forth in the [TS]

00:36:48   background and underneath each other my [TS]

00:36:49   first note is what are these actors [TS]

00:36:51   being paid by the word slow down [TS]

00:36:53   yes they are because it's it's it's [TS]

00:36:55   almost too rapid fire i feel like you [TS]

00:36:57   know that the crosstalk is great but i [TS]

00:36:59   feel like i don't know i don't really [TS]

00:37:02   like having to go back every 20 minutes [TS]

00:37:04   or every 20 seconds to check and see [TS]

00:37:06   what was said in the maybe it's just the [TS]

00:37:09   completest in me but the nice thing [TS]

00:37:11   about it is that the important details [TS]

00:37:14   filter out the things you need to hear [TS]

00:37:17   you will hear there's other stuff there [TS]

00:37:19   24 when you watch it i mean they had [TS]

00:37:21   they had they didn't have any way of [TS]

00:37:23   doing this very technically so they [TS]

00:37:26   actually had sound guys turning the [TS]

00:37:28   microphones up and down all over the [TS]

00:37:30   stage in every scene so that like we'd [TS]

00:37:33   make [TS]

00:37:33   sure you'll hear this mean you won't [TS]

00:37:35   hear them talking in the background but [TS]

00:37:37   you'll see them talking you wonder what [TS]

00:37:38   they're saying because it's probably [TS]

00:37:40   just as funny and I think part of the [TS]

00:37:41   reason that crosstalk works in this [TS]

00:37:43   movie is because of its almost the exact [TS]

00:37:46   opposite of what television became in [TS]

00:37:50   the fifties and sixties television was a [TS]

00:37:51   completely disposable medium people were [TS]

00:37:53   expected to watch something once and [TS]

00:37:55   then they literally threw it away or [TS]

00:37:57   taped over it [TS]

00:37:57   whereas with movies where people were [TS]

00:37:59   often expected to go to the movies again [TS]

00:38:01   and again and and maybe see the same [TS]

00:38:03   picture again and again because if you [TS]

00:38:05   live in a small town in the Midwest you [TS]

00:38:07   have one movie theater it's showing 1 [TS]

00:38:09   movie for a week or two or more and [TS]

00:38:11   people would go again and again [TS]

00:38:13   so Howard Hawks movie like this where [TS]

00:38:15   there's so many layers of dialogue [TS]

00:38:16   actually you know brought in extra [TS]

00:38:18   repeat viewing because people would want [TS]

00:38:20   to go back and catch the things that [TS]

00:38:21   they missed the first or second or third [TS]

00:38:23   or fourth time [TS]

00:38:24   that's right yeah I do think you have to [TS]

00:38:26   you have to watch this movie you have to [TS]

00:38:27   let it flow over you and then don't keep [TS]

00:38:30   going back to me anyway the right way to [TS]

00:38:32   watch this is is to just let it all [TS]

00:38:35   because that's where all the time comes [TS]

00:38:37   from that's that's what you get swept [TS]

00:38:38   along with it just like just like the [TS]

00:38:41   characters in the movie are and you know [TS]

00:38:43   you pick up the other things you know [TS]

00:38:45   the fifth or sixth time you launch it [TS]

00:38:47   why did eventually resist the urge and [TS]

00:38:49   stop doing that which i wish i was doing [TS]

00:38:51   for maybe the first 10 minutes or so but [TS]

00:38:53   I was worried the whole time that I was [TS]

00:38:54   I was missing key elements as as that [TS]

00:38:57   was going on and kind of a kind of [TS]

00:38:58   nibbled at me the whole time I was [TS]

00:39:00   watching the movie but i did eventually [TS]

00:39:02   get over it its way my wife can't stand [TS]

00:39:04   watching mystery science theater because [TS]

00:39:05   she actually wants to pay attention to [TS]

00:39:07   the story and like no that's not [TS]

00:39:08   oh no oh no that's rookie mistake [TS]

00:39:12   there's another Howard Hawks will be [TS]

00:39:13   called ceiling 0 from four years earlier [TS]

00:39:16   in 1936 it stars James Cagney and when [TS]

00:39:21   you let kagney loose on this he is going [TS]

00:39:23   so much faster than the people in this [TS]

00:39:27   movie there's less crosstalk but i can't [TS]

00:39:30   follow that movie at all [TS]

00:39:32   no he hits a mile a minute it's like the [TS]

00:39:34   Federal Express ads from the eighties [TS]

00:39:36   like that guy's got anything [TS]

00:39:38   ultimately that's why it's good that [TS]

00:39:40   there's not a whole heck of a lot of [TS]

00:39:41   plot here because eventually i settle [TS]

00:39:43   down and realized well I'm not missing [TS]

00:39:44   anything because [TS]

00:39:45   there's not really anything going on [TS]

00:39:46   here except people walking back and [TS]

00:39:48   forth taking shots at each other so yeah [TS]

00:39:50   it's all good [TS]

00:39:51   yeah i mean it has the barest bones of [TS]

00:39:54   the original plays plot which is it's [TS]

00:39:56   it's a little more pointed a little more [TS]

00:39:58   satirical because it's it's not about [TS]

00:40:00   just the Red Menace it's about the the [TS]

00:40:04   guy who shot a black policeman and the [TS]

00:40:07   mayor and the sheriff want to make sure [TS]

00:40:08   he hangs so that they can get the the [TS]

00:40:11   all the black votes in town because [TS]

00:40:13   that'll put them over the top and that's [TS]

00:40:16   just gone and most of the movie versions [TS]

00:40:18   it's mentioned in passing here but yeah [TS]

00:40:21   yeah yeah it really focus on which is [TS]

00:40:23   probably good because then he'll he [TS]

00:40:24   comes in and and plants that idea in his [TS]

00:40:27   head to get them saved one of the [TS]

00:40:29   uncomfortable parts of the movie [TS]

00:40:30   actually [TS]

00:40:31   alright so let's fill let's move ahead [TS]

00:40:34   11 years [TS]

00:40:35   yes why would Benny from another world [TS]

00:40:38   so I'm that this movie is and I'm gonna [TS]

00:40:41   mispronounce his name but he's no longer [TS]

00:40:43   with us so he's not gonna frightening [TS]

00:40:45   greenmail Christian and 99 maybe 90 [TS]

00:40:50   Christian I be directed this will be [TS]

00:40:52   like tobe hooper directed poltergeist [TS]

00:40:54   yeah well yeah so that there you go [TS]

00:40:57   anyhow he was a very accomplished editor [TS]

00:40:59   and he did become a very accomplished TV [TS]

00:41:02   director christian 90 um I think this [TS]

00:41:05   was his first feature and yes it was for [TS]

00:41:09   on Howard Hawks is very own production [TS]

00:41:11   company are many people believe that [TS]

00:41:14   Howard Hawks didn't several of the [TS]

00:41:15   actors who appear in the movie have so [TS]

00:41:18   much as said yes our talks direct this [TS]

00:41:20   movie [TS]

00:41:20   there are three competing theories here [TS]

00:41:23   on either that I know Christian maybe [TS]

00:41:27   did directed and howard hawks was just a [TS]

00:41:29   very hands-on producer and how could [TS]

00:41:31   work with how can you work with Howard [TS]

00:41:33   Hawks all those years and not learn a [TS]

00:41:35   trick or two from our talks [TS]

00:41:36   theory number two is Howard Hawks [TS]

00:41:39   totally direct the whole thing was kind [TS]

00:41:41   of embarrassed to be directing sci-fi [TS]

00:41:43   which at the time was not very very [TS]

00:41:46   well-regarded genre and [TS]

00:41:49   and they put your name on this movie [TS]

00:41:51   friend and and it also i think god [TS]

00:41:53   Christian IV into the directory skilled [TS]

00:41:56   by being on this movie so that's theory [TS]

00:41:58   number two and three number three is [TS]

00:42:00   that first-time director kinda and over [TS]

00:42:02   his head Howard Hawks stepped in and [TS]

00:42:04   sort of landed the plane as it were so [TS]

00:42:07   but clearly if he didn't direct the [TS]

00:42:11   movie howard hawks his influence is felt [TS]

00:42:12   from being the overlapping dialogue from [TS]

00:42:15   the pacing and plot to the fact that [TS]

00:42:19   just the way the characters interact is [TS]

00:42:21   just it's basically his gal Friday in [TS]

00:42:25   and in in the Arctic the poker scene [TS]

00:42:29   sounds just like the poker scene in his [TS]

00:42:31   girl Friday right you know he didn't he [TS]

00:42:33   learn that's kind of sort of at the feet [TS]

00:42:35   of howard hawks i meanwhat yeah yeah it [TS]

00:42:37   was a longtime collaborator enough you [TS]

00:42:39   know he worshipped talks and it was like [TS]

00:42:42   that was his idol as a director so of [TS]

00:42:44   course he's gonna have learned some [TS]

00:42:45   tricks and trade and I think they were [TS]

00:42:46   contemporary interviews as well where he [TS]

00:42:48   said effectively that you know sure i'm [TS]

00:42:50   gonna take advice from the mastery and [TS]

00:42:53   oh yeah it's like I said if he's on the [TS]

00:42:55   set [TS]

00:42:56   ask him a question whoever directed the [TS]

00:42:58   movie it's a very enjoyable movie i [TS]

00:43:00   think as you may well know Jason I'm not [TS]

00:43:04   a big fan of silly sci-fi for the kids [TS]

00:43:07   yes i am more of that before or horror [TS]

00:43:10   and this is a this is a horror genre as [TS]

00:43:14   well the story the story here is that is [TS]

00:43:16   that the john w cables a short story [TS]

00:43:20   who goes there was adapted into this it [TS]

00:43:22   was later adapted into the thing by John [TS]

00:43:25   Carpenter and the remake of that that [TS]

00:43:27   was recently released its adapted here [TS]

00:43:30   with much more Liberty taken to the [TS]

00:43:33   story the the story that you may know [TS]

00:43:35   from the carpenter where it's a [TS]

00:43:36   shape-changing alien that they don't [TS]

00:43:39   know who is the alien is actually much [TS]

00:43:41   more of what was in the original 1938 [TS]

00:43:43   story by john campbell then this where [TS]

00:43:46   it's been simplified to where he's [TS]

00:43:49   basically a a Frankenstein yeah a [TS]

00:43:52   radioactive carrot yeah radioactive yeah [TS]

00:43:55   but edible Frankenstein yaks if you look [TS]

00:43:57   at him and he's a Frankenstein that's [TS]

00:43:58   what he always a Frankenstein he's just [TS]

00:44:00   a big monster that goes around [TS]

00:44:02   and that and that's it for radioactive [TS]

00:44:05   carrot he looks very humanoid he does [TS]

00:44:08   the one time he moves at all quickly it [TS]

00:44:11   well two times one time when he jumped [TS]

00:44:12   out a window and the other time when [TS]

00:44:13   somebody throws a crowbar and many as [TS]

00:44:15   two hop sideways [TS]

00:44:16   yes because that's how together with our [TS]

00:44:18   I platform yeah yeah he's taken on the [TS]

00:44:21   crowbar unsung hero and I and i will say [TS]

00:44:23   i haven't seen that John Carpenter movie [TS]

00:44:25   i do that this is one of the rare movies [TS]

00:44:27   were the remake works for me just as [TS]

00:44:29   well as the original or I i find both [TS]

00:44:33   movies enjoyable in their own right [TS]

00:44:36   yeah this one this one is I prefer this [TS]

00:44:38   one because this is more my style but [TS]

00:44:41   yeah you like I do like the John carpet [TS]

00:44:44   it's very much like his girl Friday [TS]

00:44:47   you're right in a lot of ways because [TS]

00:44:48   you got the dialogue you gotta do you [TS]

00:44:50   have a news man here who's doing is that [TS]

00:44:52   it's amazing the access that the press [TS]

00:44:53   has to the city is about friday in that [TS]

00:44:57   is ninety-nine percent yappin [TS]

00:44:58   yeah yeah there's a newsman goes [TS]

00:45:01   everywhere which is kind of what i don't [TS]

00:45:04   understand that because we've been added [TS]

00:45:05   jason he's into that is going anywhere [TS]

00:45:08   they take a lot of guff from him too [TS]

00:45:11   he's there to be sarcastic because the [TS]

00:45:13   military guys can't they're too [TS]

00:45:15   regimented and the scientists are above [TS]

00:45:16   it because they're to be the sarcastic [TS]

00:45:18   voice of reason and irritation he's [TS]

00:45:20   there to show that there's somebody in [TS]

00:45:21   the world that doesn't have a square [TS]

00:45:22   draw in the climactic scene though they [TS]

00:45:25   do give him a cleaver to go against the [TS]

00:45:27   the monster one with everybody else with [TS]

00:45:29   axes which is a funny chopped vegetables [TS]

00:45:31   with Jason that's right now yes that's [TS]

00:45:33   right [TS]

00:45:33   not really a clear how to sleep or no I [TS]

00:45:35   would use a larger not but anyway so I [TS]

00:45:37   should probably read recount the plot [TS]

00:45:39   just a little bit so there's a lot of [TS]

00:45:41   you havin such a thing like that one [TS]

00:45:43   world there's a crowbar there's a plane [TS]

00:45:47   the lands on skis that's really cool [TS]

00:45:48   yeah that is but it's not let those [TS]

00:45:51   things with 6 lights in the cockpit like [TS]

00:45:53   that sled dogs who aren't bothered by [TS]

00:45:55   explosions [TS]

00:45:56   yep there's a mad scientist at the North [TS]

00:45:58   Pole who is studying something perhaps [TS]

00:46:00   vegetables than unusual uh an unusual [TS]

00:46:05   aircraft decided and they go they are [TS]

00:46:09   friends who are in the Army it in [TS]

00:46:12   Anchorage are flown up to the the mad [TS]

00:46:14   scientist location and they [TS]

00:46:16   go and try to find where the crash site [TS]

00:46:18   is and there's the sight of what might [TS]

00:46:19   be a meteor or something like that it's [TS]

00:46:21   melted and refrozen the ice and checks [TS]

00:46:24   out so far [TS]

00:46:25   yeah very exciting scene i was really [TS]

00:46:27   impressed by some of the snow shots in [TS]

00:46:29   this movie we actually see a plane land [TS]

00:46:32   on the snow and they get out and that [TS]

00:46:34   they go to the over to the melted area [TS]

00:46:35   and there's a kind of an eerie scene [TS]

00:46:37   where they all are supposed to they see [TS]

00:46:39   that there's a craft down in the ice and [TS]

00:46:41   they and they all kind of the trace it [TS]

00:46:44   out to see what what size and shape it [TS]

00:46:46   is and it's perfectly round like it's a [TS]

00:46:47   flying saucer which actually really like [TS]

00:46:49   that scene i love that you too but but [TS]

00:46:52   that scene is the where I took the the [TS]

00:46:54   single note that i took on this film I [TS]

00:46:55   had never seen it before so i decided i [TS]

00:46:57   was going to sit back and actually watch [TS]

00:46:59   it and enjoy the film and not take notes [TS]

00:47:00   on it but the one thing i had to write [TS]

00:47:02   down was like I grew up in wisconsin i [TS]

00:47:04   live in canada you cannot see through [TS]

00:47:06   ice like that you can't see details well [TS]

00:47:08   the idea what they said was that it [TS]

00:47:10   melted and refroze and that's why it was [TS]

00:47:12   clear is that it would be skew it was [TS]

00:47:15   like flash my come on here and we're [TS]

00:47:17   being in winning over the time they were [TS]

00:47:19   walking around they were scuffing it up [TS]

00:47:21   it there's no it's very size they could [TS]

00:47:23   it was based off it helps it was filmed [TS]

00:47:25   in the San Fernando Valley apparently [TS]

00:47:27   was 90 degree yes [TS]

00:47:29   so here is the thing what then happens [TS]

00:47:31   that is that shows you that the army [TS]

00:47:32   doesn't know what it's doing [TS]

00:47:33   they want to figure out how to get the [TS]

00:47:35   ale crashed alien spaceship out of the [TS]

00:47:37   ice so what do they do they stick [TS]

00:47:39   thermite on it and blow it up [TS]

00:47:41   standard operating procedure no [TS]

00:47:44   absolution [TS]

00:47:45   this is America when do well it's the [TS]

00:47:48   North Pole but anyway uh but but but [TS]

00:47:50   they do find that there's a body in the [TS]

00:47:52   ice at which point one of the army guys [TS]

00:47:55   suggest that they also blow it up but [TS]

00:47:57   instead they use access to chop it out [TS]

00:47:58   in put it on a dog sled and take it back [TS]

00:48:01   to the base isn't it the newsman who has [TS]

00:48:04   just gotten through berating them [TS]

00:48:05   horribly for holy actor spaceship which [TS]

00:48:07   says you should use some thermite [TS]

00:48:09   business yeah yeah he wanted more i'm [TS]

00:48:11   taking notes and less time complaining [TS]

00:48:13   about how they do things hell up there [TS]

00:48:15   to open his head man [TS]

00:48:17   well he's a professional newsman he [TS]

00:48:19   picks up a natural accent pitches in tho [TS]

00:48:21   give him credit [TS]

00:48:23   well cleaver cleaver yeah so anyway they [TS]

00:48:26   take it back to the base where a dummy [TS]

00:48:28   puts an electric blanket on it [TS]

00:48:29   no I want it done because go ahead go [TS]

00:48:33   ahead let me money at a point of order [TS]

00:48:36   yeah-huh that the electric blanket is [TS]

00:48:39   originally there because the one they [TS]

00:48:42   broke a window in this small house that [TS]

00:48:45   they're storing them in so that the guy [TS]

00:48:46   doesn't melt and yes and so that they [TS]

00:48:49   can prove preserve the ice block and the [TS]

00:48:52   elected MP 2478 likewise quivering [TS]

00:48:55   lieutenant McPherson yeah Wally while he [TS]

00:48:58   sits there complaining having kittens i [TS]

00:49:00   believe is the freezers you but instead [TS]

00:49:02   of the dummy was gonna let your inner [TS]

00:49:04   comes in and go to my placement throws [TS]

00:49:06   it over there [TS]

00:49:07   yeah it's stupid corporal Barnes puts [TS]

00:49:09   the blanket he thinks it's just a [TS]

00:49:11   blanket in his defense and he does not [TS]

00:49:14   know it's an electric blanket another [TS]

00:49:16   beautiful shot i love he puts the [TS]

00:49:18   blanket on it and just in case you [TS]

00:49:20   haven't determined that it's the blanket [TS]

00:49:22   it's very trouble with your camera [TS]

00:49:23   reason that it's not record all the way [TS]

00:49:26   and does the dissolved shot the dripping [TS]

00:49:29   yeah and so that you in the audience [TS]

00:49:32   will go oh no I am shocked that there [TS]

00:49:34   were little buzzing buzzing our bolts by [TS]

00:49:38   the but at the at the socket showing us [TS]

00:49:40   that it was charged this is happening is [TS]

00:49:43   really nice i neglected to mention that [TS]

00:49:47   there's also a captain in the Army who [TS]

00:49:50   comes in his girlfriend I guess is the [TS]

00:49:52   assistant to the mad scientist at the [TS]

00:49:54   polls we not only have a history [TS]

00:49:57   yeah they had they had one wild night [TS]

00:49:59   together they did one wild night in [TS]

00:50:02   Anchorage or where he began to resemble [TS]

00:50:04   something of an octopus but others five [TS]

00:50:06   minutes of kinky rope play in the middle [TS]

00:50:08   of this film which we don't see how that [TS]

00:50:11   evening began but he's tied to a chair [TS]

00:50:13   and she's pouring liquor to it [TS]

00:50:16   yeah yeah again you guys in this is [TS]

00:50:19   sending an awful lot like complaints and [TS]

00:50:21   I don't see I'm Kryon complaining this [TS]

00:50:24   is probably my only complaint is that we [TS]

00:50:26   don't see how she got him to do that [TS]

00:50:28   considering that he's why do I did offer [TS]

00:50:29   to bring a rope to offer dead [TS]

00:50:31   yes do that money i believe it went [TS]

00:50:33   something like this how about I tell you [TS]

00:50:35   up and give you licker okay [TS]

00:50:37   no don't throw me in that briar patch [TS]

00:50:39   the safety word is the [TS]

00:50:42   thing is attacking anyway the thing that [TS]

00:50:45   the alien melts and he attacks people [TS]

00:50:48   and he's like a big vegetable and he [TS]

00:50:52   goes outside and we learned from the [TS]

00:50:54   various science stuff is that he is not [TS]

00:50:56   he's made out of plant matter in that he [TS]

00:50:59   can read he can reproduce uh with just [TS]

00:51:03   with human blood [TS]

00:51:04   let's let me talk about the science for [TS]

00:51:06   a minute because we recently watched it [TS]

00:51:07   for rocket surgery a movie called gog [TS]

00:51:09   and many things in this movie reminded [TS]

00:51:12   me of Gog and that there are detailed [TS]

00:51:14   things about how science works the first [TS]

00:51:16   off are ridiculous in most cases and [TS]

00:51:18   second our way to details for it to be [TS]

00:51:21   necessary very much like dogs so we [TS]

00:51:23   learn about how their cameras work and [TS]

00:51:25   how they figure distance through a [TS]

00:51:27   through some explanations of exciting [TS]

00:51:29   science in the sound effect last science [TS]

00:51:31   lab of dr. Karrington at least the [TS]

00:51:33   character he was explaining that to was [TS]

00:51:35   like I didn't get anything that you just [TS]

00:51:36   said I was like all right [TS]

00:51:38   me either yeah he totally ignores it but [TS]

00:51:40   we all have to learn in any way I have [TS]

00:51:41   to step in here the most important thing [TS]

00:51:43   about that explanation is that it comes [TS]

00:51:45   from George Fenneman yes [TS]

00:51:46   Groucho sidekick on you better life like [TS]

00:51:49   that scene because it reminded me of old [TS]

00:51:50   science fiction where they like we just [TS]

00:51:52   invented radar it's amazing [TS]

00:51:55   we're gonna have to explain radar for 10 [TS]

00:51:56   minutes yes and then people will be [TS]

00:51:58   amazed well it's just like in God did [TS]

00:52:01   there's definitely some science and we [TS]

00:52:03   want to show it to you and explain how [TS]

00:52:04   the science works this is a seedpod it [TS]

00:52:07   works kind of like a seed pod let me [TS]

00:52:08   tell you about how plants work now the [TS]

00:52:10   alien works like that with blood uses [TS]

00:52:13   human blood grow [TS]

00:52:14   here's how we navigate without a compass [TS]

00:52:16   ok here's the explanation for how that [TS]

00:52:18   crash site is in a bottle shape [TS]

00:52:20   here's how you properly placed thermite [TS]

00:52:22   Bob's know but it's it's a science [TS]

00:52:24   procedural that's fun they were having [TS]

00:52:26   in the science in the science fiction of [TS]

00:52:28   the day it is true i will say it is a [TS]

00:52:30   dramatic contrast to God that a [TS]

00:52:32   misplaced tool actually saves the day [TS]

00:52:34   instead of getting a guy killed [TS]

00:52:36   so that's a yes yeah I cannot believe [TS]

00:52:37   you're comparing the thing to god no [TS]

00:52:43   robots in this no robots [TS]

00:52:45   I think my biggest problem with the [TS]

00:52:46   science was simply the the scientist was [TS]

00:52:49   did deducing all of these things about [TS]

00:52:52   the motivation of the creature and state [TS]

00:52:54   it so matter-of-factly immediately I [TS]

00:52:56   didn't know evidence for it whatsoever [TS]

00:52:58   the one that i wrote down what I doubt [TS]

00:52:59   that even can die and I'm like you just [TS]

00:53:01   saw how we have you decided that he says [TS]

00:53:03   it's vegetable life it developed without [TS]

00:53:05   emotions or sexual factors I'm like I [TS]

00:53:08   when did you figure that one out genius [TS]

00:53:11   same time he figured out how that's [TS]

00:53:12   wiser than all of us if anything that [TS]

00:53:15   entirely on the fact that it uses only [TS]

00:53:17   as food you know like those Paragons of [TS]

00:53:19   intellect bears and wolves [TS]

00:53:21   yeah it's a he's a he's a mad scientist [TS]

00:53:25   quality photos and hang from The [TS]

00:53:27   Simpsons did anything anyone who [TS]

00:53:29   invented a way to travel across galaxies [TS]

00:53:31   step forward right now so i give it to [TS]

00:53:34   plant died [TS]

00:53:35   yeah he's inventing the ship all the guy [TS]

00:53:38   with the flammable ship was he playing [TS]

00:53:40   guy is just very tired it's okay [TS]

00:53:42   intelligence yes wisdom [TS]

00:53:44   no those are two very different things [TS]

00:53:45   and being a scientist you think he would [TS]

00:53:47   be smart enough to know that hood it [TS]

00:53:48   doesn't get don't like it here we blow [TS]

00:53:50   up anything we see well there are no [TS]

00:53:51   real particular signs of intelligence [TS]

00:53:53   here either [TS]

00:53:54   he could also have been a prisoner from [TS]

00:53:57   the last place that the spaceship [TS]

00:53:58   stopped so you know I don't know you [TS]

00:54:02   don't know but this guy knows with mad [TS]

00:54:04   scientist knows and of course you that [TS]

00:54:06   he loves it and worships it and gets [TS]

00:54:08   them into trouble and have to knock him [TS]

00:54:09   out because he's gonna let it in and [TS]

00:54:11   feed it flooded I do i do there's an [TS]

00:54:14   amusing set of scenes where Anchorage [TS]

00:54:16   finally gets through to them and says [TS]

00:54:18   keep it alive if you can try to you guys [TS]

00:54:20   stay alive but keep it alive and every [TS]

00:54:22   time one of those orders comes in the [TS]

00:54:23   mad scientist is there to go haha take [TS]

00:54:26   told you the army knows what it's doing [TS]

00:54:29   listen to them i love the mad scientist [TS]

00:54:32   because first off they could not make [TS]

00:54:34   him look more Russian if they have [TS]

00:54:36   checked if they actually have to go you [TS]

00:54:39   know justjust stolen once said to me and [TS]

00:54:42   her and her doc out one day mom but I i [TS]

00:54:46   just i really enjoy the fact that in [TS]

00:54:48   this movie the scientists are the [TS]

00:54:51   batteries and it's the it's the stupid [TS]

00:54:54   army men that are the the good guys [TS]

00:54:55   because because that is such a contrast [TS]

00:54:57   to the to the syfy narrative that that I [TS]

00:55:02   grew up with ya right but they think [TS]

00:55:04   basically they just make it it's not [TS]

00:55:06   that he's a mad scientist he's just [TS]

00:55:08   really tired and at the very end there's [TS]

00:55:11   even a kind of a show of camaraderie [TS]

00:55:12   with the newsman instead of saying yeah [TS]

00:55:14   he got two injured trying to kill us all [TS]

00:55:17   he says he got injured in that dramatic [TS]

00:55:19   fight against the thing mom had the [TS]

00:55:21   courage of his convictions at least he [TS]

00:55:22   wasn't hiding [TS]

00:55:23   he went up to that thing tried reasoning [TS]

00:55:25   with its John always is [TS]

00:55:27   try reasoning with it that's the shot so [TS]

00:55:29   what we're seeing is he's the true [TS]

00:55:31   heroes picture i'm not i don't care that [TS]

00:55:35   much about the plot to be out with you [TS]

00:55:36   guys I just like the snappy better that [TS]

00:55:38   everybody's doing all of the time no [TS]

00:55:40   matter what happens [TS]

00:55:41   oh yeah they're about to die and they [TS]

00:55:43   are they're cracking wise i actually [TS]

00:55:45   enjoy the plot I'm I'm you know being an [TS]

00:55:47   old-school doctor who fan i'm kind of a [TS]

00:55:49   sucker for a base under siege story and [TS]

00:55:51   this is [TS]

00:55:51   oh yeah the classic president feels [TS]

00:55:53   thunderstorm yeah Erica you really need [TS]

00:55:56   to watch my dream Aug carpenter remake i [TS]

00:55:58   do it is it is on my list is one of [TS]

00:56:01   those things I've been meaning to see [TS]

00:56:02   forever and ever it just haven't gotten [TS]

00:56:04   around to it and now having seen this [TS]

00:56:05   you know my my curiosity is is even more [TS]

00:56:07   peaked in before so i will i will watch [TS]

00:56:10   that it's a lot better for reading the [TS]

00:56:12   original story first and then watch the [TS]

00:56:13   carpenter and see how they compare it is [TS]

00:56:16   kind of interesting i'll probably do [TS]

00:56:17   that in the other order but i will do it [TS]

00:56:19   you don't need the recent one [TS]

00:56:21   it's just a work i'm not interested in a [TS]

00:56:23   recent one now i will say this though [TS]

00:56:25   this movie has one of the two most [TS]

00:56:28   terrifying fire scenes I've ever seen [TS]

00:56:30   right now we're clearly they decided the [TS]

00:56:34   way we're going to shoot this is just [TS]

00:56:36   set everything in the room bout fire and [TS]

00:56:38   hope the actors somehow survived [TS]

00:56:40   yeah yet that scene i think is is [TS]

00:56:43   probably as good a chaotic action scene [TS]

00:56:45   as I have ever seen an old movie and it [TS]

00:56:47   beats a lot of recent action scenes I've [TS]

00:56:50   seen because the thing comes in the door [TS]

00:56:52   they douse it in kerosene the lights go [TS]

00:56:55   out and all the sudden just every damn [TS]

00:56:56   thing and equipment is on fire area just [TS]

00:56:58   craziness go and then enjoy the [TS]

00:57:01   precision work your choreograph it [TS]

00:57:03   without getting somebody killed because [TS]

00:57:04   there's people running to throw fire [TS]

00:57:06   with his R&B it is mothers are throwing [TS]

00:57:08   actual buckets of kerosene and my feet [TS]

00:57:11   and in supposedly according to IMDb [TS]

00:57:14   trivia so who knows that that scene is [TS]

00:57:17   believed to be the first full body burn [TS]

00:57:19   accomplished by [TS]

00:57:20   stuntman and that wasn't actually James [TS]

00:57:22   Arness in the soon I'll time it was a [TS]

00:57:23   stuntman so of the 30 seconds he's [TS]

00:57:25   on-screen fully twenty of them a [TS]

00:57:27   smothered I mean there are a lot of [TS]

00:57:31   people running around in that flaming [TS]

00:57:32   room and the fact that somebody isn't [TS]

00:57:34   horribly injured is kind of amazing a [TS]

00:57:37   second ago they were all worried about [TS]

00:57:38   safety [TS]

00:57:39   hey put out that cigarette good idea [TS]

00:57:43   yeah i mean it is under bedlam and then [TS]

00:57:45   they finally knocked the creature out [TS]

00:57:46   the window and the whole thing is over [TS]

00:57:47   in like 20 seconds but it's it's so well [TS]

00:57:49   done [TS]

00:57:50   it's probably the best scene yes so they [TS]

00:57:52   may be basically determined that the way [TS]

00:57:54   to kill the monster is with heat or fire [TS]

00:57:57   okay because that's what you do two [TS]

00:57:58   potatoes yeah vegetable just Rose Nylund [TS]

00:58:02   and of course it's the woman who comes [TS]

00:58:04   up with that which leads us to our denim [TS]

00:58:06   wall which is the they they rigged the [TS]

00:58:08   place for electricity to create an arc [TS]

00:58:12   of lights to to destroy the thing i like [TS]

00:58:15   that see Tyreke quite like them all [TS]

00:58:17   working together you know they had [TS]

00:58:18   people stationed in different places [TS]

00:58:19   they're talking to each other via the [TS]

00:58:21   radio they're using their using science [TS]

00:58:23   that they're not explaining to us quite [TS]

00:58:25   as much as some of the other science [TS]

00:58:26   which is nice that was probably yeah [TS]

00:58:27   together and as they're preparing it [TS]

00:58:30   that people are actually on the same [TS]

00:58:31   wavelength so a couple them like oh you [TS]

00:58:33   know we go [TS]

00:58:34   yes I'll get right I liked that team [TS]

00:58:36   teamwork thing there was really good it [TS]

00:58:38   has the best line of quickly dialogue in [TS]

00:58:40   the face of death I just had a thought [TS]

00:58:43   Oh lieutenant McPherson had a thought [TS]

00:58:44   know what if this thing can read minds [TS]

00:58:46   he's gonna he's gonna be really angry [TS]

00:58:48   when he gets to me know i really get [TS]

00:58:54   that like all of the banter in the halls [TS]

00:58:56   is there sort of waiting for ya [TS]

00:58:58   because it even feels like the realistic [TS]

00:59:00   chatter of guys who are on the verge of [TS]

00:59:01   of crapping their pants [TS]

00:59:03   yes it's just that is that is the best [TS]

00:59:05   thing in this movie is that though that [TS]

00:59:07   hallway and up the the guys at the at [TS]

00:59:10   the ends were radioing in and they set [TS]

00:59:11   it all up and then they're talking all [TS]

00:59:13   that that is so good you know yeah when [TS]

00:59:16   the thing finally comes in i'm like oh I [TS]

00:59:18   kinda like the tension of when they were [TS]

00:59:19   waiting for him but now here he is so I [TS]

00:59:21   guess we gotta do the Frankenstein part [TS]

00:59:23   but it's it's it's a really great moment [TS]

00:59:26   you you've spent the whole movie with [TS]

00:59:27   these characters and there's been a lot [TS]

00:59:29   of dialogue and you've got to get to [TS]

00:59:31   know them and and now they're under [TS]

00:59:33   pressure in [TS]

00:59:34   base under siege and I it's it's it's a [TS]

00:59:37   great crucible for that all that [TS]

00:59:40   dialogue is in there and and they are at [TS]

00:59:42   the end of their lives potentially and [TS]

00:59:44   and they may even if they set this thing [TS]

00:59:46   on our electrocuted or whatever it's [TS]

00:59:48   like there's also the the freezing cold [TS]

00:59:50   outside like they read the heating is [TS]

00:59:52   out so they're forced to act because the [TS]

00:59:54   oil heating oil has been cut off so that [TS]

00:59:57   you know they may not survive even if [TS]

00:59:58   they can kill this thing it [TS]

00:59:58   they can kill this thing it [TS]

01:00:00   the big question mark I all of that is [TS]

01:00:02   just great it really does culminate in [TS]

01:00:04   that in that moment at the end that's [TS]

01:00:06   that the devil that hallway just so good [TS]

01:00:08   to stay in the staging in that hallway I [TS]

01:00:10   think also works just from asset [TS]

01:00:12   perspective because it feels [TS]

01:00:13   claustrophobic this is their last stand [TS]

01:00:15   there really trapped here you've got a [TS]

01:00:17   few characters in this tiny little [TS]

01:00:18   electrical and the rest of the [TS]

01:00:20   characters in a claustrophobic hallway [TS]

01:00:22   and not only that you can see their [TS]

01:00:24   breath like this [TS]

01:00:26   the heat has gone out and you know that [TS]

01:00:28   things are in trouble because because [TS]

01:00:30   the actors get there really cold and as [TS]

01:00:33   a doctor who fan you're a connoisseur of [TS]

01:00:35   people that always that's one of my [TS]

01:00:37   favorite moments in the film is where [TS]

01:00:39   she's the one who keeps going you know [TS]

01:00:41   look look yeah they're like what you [TS]

01:00:43   notice your breath [TS]

01:00:44   yeah well I'm sorry I'm just had been [TS]

01:00:46   nervous no no okay your breath [TS]

01:00:49   yes yeah where they discovered that the [TS]

01:00:51   he has been that the heat has been shut [TS]

01:00:52   off the the their breath starts [TS]

01:00:54   appearing and slowly one by one all the [TS]

01:00:57   actors realize oh no that's not good [TS]

01:01:02   no just gonna count down as it gets [TS]

01:01:04   colder and colder in there and it's 60 [TS]

01:01:05   below outside and they have to act which [TS]

01:01:08   is why they have that they have the idea [TS]

01:01:09   about the electricity and then they put [TS]

01:01:11   in motion and I think that's interesting [TS]

01:01:12   that they know the monsters out there [TS]

01:01:14   but this is a thing where they have to [TS]

01:01:15   get they have to do this now they can't [TS]

01:01:18   wait it out [TS]

01:01:18   they can't wait for the people to be [TS]

01:01:20   rescued by somebody they have to act now [TS]

01:01:22   or they're all going to go because [TS]

01:01:24   otherwise they're gonna go out there and [TS]

01:01:25   try to unclog the thing and they're [TS]

01:01:27   gonna get killed one by one by the [TS]

01:01:28   monster they don't screw this one up [TS]

01:01:30   they already pulled one boner out there [TS]

01:01:31   on the ice Jason ya laters [TS]

01:01:34   Oh as soon as I heard that line I mean [TS]

01:01:37   I've seen this film countless times but [TS]

01:01:39   I drew the line this time i read that [TS]

01:01:41   Steve's favorite line but yeah it's got [TS]

01:01:44   for asterisk in my notes i I just I i [TS]

01:01:46   love all the dialogue i love the [TS]

01:01:48   crosstalk and i love the fact that [TS]

01:01:50   they're they're allowed to be competent [TS]

01:01:53   people who are comfortable with each [TS]

01:01:55   other they're kind of teasing each other [TS]

01:01:57   they're not you know it's not there's [TS]

01:01:59   not a lot of antagonism there i mean [TS]

01:02:01   there's tension but you know they all [TS]

01:02:04   know that there's this mystery [TS]

01:02:06   they all know that something is going to [TS]

01:02:07   happen and then later on you know it so [TS]

01:02:09   well now we've got to save ourselves and [TS]

01:02:11   you know but there but it's it's [TS]

01:02:13   just it's an interesting dynamic that I [TS]

01:02:16   don't think we saw in that kind of story [TS]

01:02:18   up till then and we can scoff about the [TS]

01:02:20   science of it but III the movie does [TS]

01:02:22   something I think that's clever for a UH [TS]

01:02:26   certainly a horror movie of that era and [TS]

01:02:29   I think that influenced future horror [TS]

01:02:32   movies and and that is it used village [TS]

01:02:34   it is where the guy says this Geiger [TS]

01:02:35   counters going crazy and all of the [TS]

01:02:37   scientists run right up to where it's [TS]

01:02:38   going crazy [TS]

01:02:39   absolutely no Steve actual dollars [TS]

01:02:43   I i like the fact that this is a movie [TS]

01:02:45   that that realizes you show the monster [TS]

01:02:48   bit by bit and I don't get something [TS]

01:02:51   that steven spielberg used effectively [TS]

01:02:53   in Jaws and oftentimes you use it [TS]

01:02:55   effectively because if you show the [TS]

01:02:56   monster all at once people will go [TS]

01:02:58   that's a really stupid looking monster [TS]

01:03:00   and that the mid like in Jaws the reason [TS]

01:03:03   that they only showed the shark bit by [TS]

01:03:04   bit is that the shark they were gonna [TS]

01:03:06   use kept breaking so they can only show [TS]

01:03:09   bits and bobs of it and and here you [TS]

01:03:11   know you you show an arm of the monster [TS]

01:03:14   and the brief glimpse of the monster and [TS]

01:03:17   and you save it for the end so that the [TS]

01:03:19   the reveal actually is is a little bit [TS]

01:03:23   spooky and extremely disappointing [TS]

01:03:25   because it turns out it's just a guy [TS]

01:03:27   yeah it's just games and yes it's just [TS]

01:03:29   too good you got that you got the wrong [TS]

01:03:30   because he's really tall for actors in [TS]

01:03:33   1951 yeah it is a letdown when you see [TS]

01:03:36   him because he is just kind of a friend [TS]

01:03:37   like I said he's just a Frankenstein I [TS]

01:03:40   and he's gonna get kind of does his [TS]

01:03:42   thing and an electric human that's [TS]

01:03:44   grandma one actor who has no lines in [TS]

01:03:47   this movie goes on probably half the [TS]

01:03:48   greatest career anyone involved in the [TS]

01:03:51   thing he reportedly was not was rather [TS]

01:03:54   embarrassed by the fact that he did this [TS]

01:03:56   movie I'm didn't like the costume he [TS]

01:03:58   thought it made him look like a giant [TS]

01:03:59   carrot and yeah with they that's that I [TS]

01:04:02   was breeding that he didn't even attend [TS]

01:04:04   the premiere because he was so unhappy [TS]

01:04:05   about it i don't know if that's true or [TS]

01:04:07   not it was almost like in this movie [TS]

01:04:09   they're going out of their way to not [TS]

01:04:11   make it too scary though I mean there's [TS]

01:04:12   their tents bits i liked the bit where [TS]

01:04:15   the there [TS]

01:04:16   the guy comes into the captain and is [TS]

01:04:18   talking about how the lieutenant [TS]

01:04:19   guarding the creature is starting to [TS]

01:04:20   freak out because you can see its eyes [TS]

01:04:22   which i think is more effective that [TS]

01:04:24   actually seeing the guys start to freak [TS]

01:04:26   out because you can see [TS]

01:04:27   its eyes and the bit-by-bit reveal the [TS]

01:04:30   monster is pretty good but I mean [TS]

01:04:33   there's way too many people here for [TS]

01:04:34   this to be frightening and it's just [TS]

01:04:36   tons and tons of people they're very [TS]

01:04:38   rarely cut off from the rest of the [TS]

01:04:40   group you know the banter in the halls [TS]

01:04:42   is nice that's nice and tense but it [TS]

01:04:45   having the creature lumber towards them [TS]

01:04:48   slowly at the end you know that seems [TS]

01:04:50   like a waste of a good opportunity [TS]

01:04:52   yeah so it works i think it works pretty [TS]

01:04:53   well as a sci-fi movie it works well as [TS]

01:04:56   I wouldn't say a comedy but the banter [TS]

01:04:58   is certainly funny at places as a horror [TS]

01:05:00   movie i think it falls down but it's [TS]

01:05:01   definitely an interesting you it's it's [TS]

01:05:03   a character that feels more like a [TS]

01:05:05   thriller in that way than a horror movie [TS]

01:05:07   right because really it the tension in [TS]

01:05:10   that hallway is way more interesting [TS]

01:05:12   than the actual kind of action parts [TS]

01:05:14   about it's the it's the tension the [TS]

01:05:16   tension build i think the build-up yeah [TS]

01:05:18   yeah [TS]

01:05:19   although I like the hallway scene and I [TS]

01:05:21   do like how it's built up the the reveal [TS]

01:05:25   of james arness at the end of the hall [TS]

01:05:27   is always all its lit well you know what [TS]

01:05:31   happened suddenly [TS]

01:05:33   you know we see him finally he's backlit [TS]

01:05:35   he's big he's scary but he opens the [TS]

01:05:40   door quickly because they have the props [TS]

01:05:44   set up like a chair under under a door [TS]

01:05:47   knob but with the door opening the other [TS]

01:05:49   way haha you know they got the props at [TS]

01:05:54   it and what's what bothers me about that [TS]

01:05:56   is that I'm sure that by 1951 that had [TS]

01:05:59   already been used as a joke anything a [TS]

01:06:01   lot of movies where you know somebody [TS]

01:06:03   put a chair under the doorknob and then [TS]

01:06:05   and then the person just opens the door [TS]

01:06:07   from the outside its wings to the [TS]

01:06:08   outside instead of the inside and they [TS]

01:06:10   walk right in [TS]

01:06:11   that's that's how the monster gets in is [TS]

01:06:13   he just opens the door now I realize [TS]

01:06:16   they have to do that because you want to [TS]

01:06:18   see him all at once and that's the only [TS]

01:06:20   way to see him all at once i guess and [TS]

01:06:22   have the back but it whenever I've seen [TS]

01:06:25   this I I just [TS]

01:06:26   oh yeah that's right that happens oh [TS]

01:06:28   well okay fine [TS]

01:06:30   yeah the scene with the with this light [TS]

01:06:32   suddenly go off i think is nice i think [TS]

01:06:36   it's resolved way to quickly and easily [TS]

01:06:37   it it provides a brief amount of tension [TS]

01:06:40   but it's it's all afforded by the fact [TS]

01:06:42   that the creature is moving at a snail's [TS]

01:06:44   pace so it only just serves to highlight [TS]

01:06:47   how really not in jeopardy they are [TS]

01:06:51   anytime soon [TS]

01:06:53   the thing is not in a hurry to get down [TS]

01:06:55   the hall my sixteen-year-old son was [TS]

01:06:57   watching this with me in that scene [TS]

01:07:00   bother him the most [TS]

01:07:02   oh and it's because I'll what lk [TS]

01:07:05   connections got a gun and he's cut the [TS]

01:07:07   lights in there and so okay our army [TS]

01:07:10   guys Army Air Force guys walk back into [TS]

01:07:12   see what's going on and they ok they see [TS]

01:07:16   Carrington Carrington's got a gun and [TS]

01:07:18   then the giant scientist dr. Chapman [TS]

01:07:21   who's standing next to Carrington and [TS]

01:07:24   for some reason he just he just takes [TS]

01:07:26   the gun away from him [TS]

01:07:28   I mean there's the you know why didn't [TS]

01:07:29   he do that before and you have to wait [TS]

01:07:32   for the Air Force guys to come back in [TS]

01:07:33   so that we can see all the cameras out [TS]

01:07:36   there with the Air Force guys so you [TS]

01:07:38   know the camera has to follow the Air [TS]

01:07:39   Force guys in and that's when he gets a [TS]

01:07:41   little what he just suddenly got the [TS]

01:07:43   idea I i should take the gun away now [TS]

01:07:45   that the airport they distracted him [TS]

01:07:46   coming into the room so that he was able [TS]

01:07:49   to take the gun [TS]

01:07:49   I that's how that's what I told my son [TS]

01:07:51   the truth but Carrington was somehow [TS]

01:07:54   able to shut off the generator without [TS]

01:07:56   anybody being able to rest the gun from [TS]

01:07:57   him during that yes that's yeah that's [TS]

01:07:59   that there are some problems that i was [TS]

01:08:01   translator [TS]

01:08:02   yeah come on convention market sheridan [TS]

01:08:04   well you cannot to place nicolas anelka [TS]

01:08:07   when I um I didn't I I thought she did a [TS]

01:08:10   bad job it sounds like she has a cold [TS]

01:08:12   and she mumbles and I thought she wasn't [TS]

01:08:14   very good [TS]

01:08:14   no it is very cold there she was not in [TS]

01:08:17   a few she does not have many credits [TS]

01:08:19   your name so i think that's a it's a [TS]

01:08:21   b-movie it is i just i don't like your [TS]

01:08:24   letdown because I feel like like what [TS]

01:08:27   was his name was a kind of Toby the guy [TS]

01:08:29   who plays the captain I thought he was I [TS]

01:08:31   thought he was fine and then and [TS]

01:08:34   especially coming off of watching his [TS]

01:08:36   girl Friday right which I know it's a [TS]

01:08:38   the order of magnitude in some ways but [TS]

01:08:40   still I if he had been paired with [TS]

01:08:42   somebody who could [TS]

01:08:44   who could do it a little bit better but [TS]

01:08:45   uh it but it martyred and I think you [TS]

01:08:48   know I'm sure she tried her best but I [TS]

01:08:50   thought it was a bad performance and [TS]

01:08:53   it's too bad because that was what they [TS]

01:08:55   were trying to do there is have that [TS]

01:08:56   some of that back and forth right and [TS]

01:08:58   she just was monthly and and and had a [TS]

01:09:01   cold [TS]

01:09:02   yeah the dynamic between them is all off [TS]

01:09:04   there's that whole scene where it's not [TS]

01:09:06   good that will scene where he's coming [TS]

01:09:08   in and he's he's he's angry at her about [TS]

01:09:11   leaving him lying drunk with some note [TS]

01:09:13   attached to about a beautiful legs [TS]

01:09:15   yeah and she's laughing in this weird [TS]

01:09:18   way that doesn't seem at all like you [TS]

01:09:20   know there was a funny joke it's like [TS]

01:09:22   this just weird off-putting laughs and [TS]

01:09:24   it doesn't work at all with his [TS]

01:09:25   responses i mean it's it's not a good [TS]

01:09:27   dynamic there [TS]

01:09:28   she's not a good actress but her [TS]

01:09:31   character is to me the reason why I see [TS]

01:09:34   this as a holler talks movie because she [TS]

01:09:37   is essentially a low-rent slim from to [TS]

01:09:40   have and have-nots she is she's she's [TS]

01:09:45   you know she's wearing the pants of [TS]

01:09:46   course okay yeah fine she's in Alaska [TS]

01:09:48   she's at the North Pole so she's going [TS]

01:09:50   to be wearing pants instead of a skirt [TS]

01:09:51   but if you if you think of her as being [TS]

01:09:56   sort of model I don't remember what what [TS]

01:09:58   the no let's get this would come second [TS]

01:10:00   so she's modeled after the lauren bacall [TS]

01:10:02   character in into haves and have-nots [TS]

01:10:05   who was modeled after howard hawks his [TS]

01:10:07   wife and that's that's what she is and [TS]

01:10:13   that's why she's always you know [TS]

01:10:15   inappropriately coming up with clips as [TS]

01:10:17   the monster is on his way and is going [TS]

01:10:19   to you know kill them all [TS]

01:10:21   she's she's still making with the Yuk's [TS]

01:10:24   in the hallway that character as bad as [TS]

01:10:28   she portrays her is the reason makes it [TS]

01:10:32   a Hawks movie to me I mean yes the [TS]

01:10:34   overlapping dialogue has it but it makes [TS]

01:10:37   it that way but she is really a Howard [TS]

01:10:39   Hawks woman absolutely badly done [TS]

01:10:42   perhaps cast for her looks rather than [TS]

01:10:45   her talent she's very pretty yellow she [TS]

01:10:47   she is lovely [TS]

01:10:49   yeah and then then then yeah not that [TS]

01:10:51   not that great but I I thought there's a [TS]

01:10:54   fun movie I I thought [TS]

01:10:56   I all overall I would say I I didn't [TS]

01:10:59   think you know I wouldn't put in one as [TS]

01:11:01   one of the greatest movies of all time [TS]

01:11:02   or anything like that i think that it's [TS]

01:11:04   it's it's interesting to see how dare [TS]

01:11:06   you if we want to have the the idea that [TS]

01:11:09   that what if they had really adapted [TS]

01:11:11   which they would've been a very [TS]

01:11:12   different movie adapted the story and [TS]

01:11:14   had the it be the shape-shifting alien [TS]

01:11:16   then they made that movie and that was [TS]

01:11:18   John Carpenter's The Thing and that's a [TS]

01:11:20   that's a classic of a different kind but [TS]

01:11:22   uh it was uh yeah they're fun some funny [TS]

01:11:24   moments but i like i like the moment out [TS]

01:11:26   on the ice I like the stuff with the [TS]

01:11:28   dogs barking which gets it you know [TS]

01:11:31   comes back in the thing and and laugh at [TS]

01:11:36   some of the army stuff but in the end [TS]

01:11:38   the tension is great with the characters [TS]

01:11:40   in the base under siege and that it can [TS]

01:11:42   excuse the bat fact that it's kind of a [TS]

01:11:44   dumb Frankenstein at the end [TS]

01:11:46   pulsating baby plants are nice and [TS]

01:11:48   creepy the Eskimos have a weakness for [TS]

01:11:51   our strawberries [TS]

01:11:52   yeah yeah why an alien would would feast [TS]

01:11:55   on human blood is beyond me but they [TS]

01:11:58   also we don't like all blind what is [TS]

01:12:00   just like bloody just need Jason a high [TS]

01:12:02   ideally and I like blood is just need [TS]

01:12:05   blood [TS]

01:12:06   yeah okay I I think we're overlooking [TS]

01:12:07   one of the choices piece pieces of [TS]

01:12:09   dialogue in the movie which is um Scotty [TS]

01:12:13   the reporter whose favorite phrases holy [TS]

01:12:15   cats and one point in the movie he said [TS]

01:12:18   it's where all the cats and and dr dr [TS]

01:12:21   karen goes yeah thatís I i watch that [TS]

01:12:29   last night and I I'll after about 15 [TS]

01:12:32   minutes like buses [TS]

01:12:34   yes i think i have been using holy cats [TS]

01:12:38   ever since i saw this 23 24 years only [TS]

01:12:41   cats indeed my friend [TS]

01:12:44   oh so the last thing we should talk [TS]

01:12:46   about is the very end of the movie which [TS]

01:12:48   this is this is where it comes from [TS]

01:12:50   right yeah this is how it comes from [TS]

01:12:51   this to everybody wherever they are [TS]

01:12:53   watch the skies everywhere keep looking [TS]

01:12:55   keep watching the skies they finally [TS]

01:12:58   restablecer radio contact with Anchorage [TS]

01:13:00   yes Scotty has a whole little speech [TS]

01:13:03   prepared he's got the story written in [TS]

01:13:05   this brain and yeah he does a great I [TS]

01:13:07   only one of them for not taking notes [TS]

01:13:10   the whole [TS]

01:13:10   time but he's got it man yeah he really [TS]

01:13:13   is a good first draft he does not need [TS]

01:13:14   to rewrite and he could use an editor my [TS]

01:13:17   father saw this in the theater when it [TS]

01:13:19   originally came out and he said you know [TS]

01:13:22   it was it was creepy when he was you [TS]

01:13:24   know 11 or 12 years old watching in the [TS]

01:13:26   darkened theater and and but it was that [TS]

01:13:29   line that was just like the creepy thing [TS]

01:13:31   that stuck with him for years after just [TS]

01:13:34   be keep watching the sky keep watching [TS]

01:13:36   it as well to live so in it were [TS]

01:13:37   addition to being a good line [TS]

01:13:39   well we should we should wrap it up [TS]

01:13:40   we've been talking for a very long time [TS]

01:13:41   about these two movies fill in a [TS]

01:13:44   satisfied with a discussion of the [TS]

01:13:47   others who i am i'm glad everyone [TS]

01:13:49   enjoyed his girl Friday which is a Girl [TS]

01:13:53   Friday yes yeah that productive whatever [TS]

01:13:55   that was built on how Phil pronounces it [TS]

01:13:57   now I saw his gal Friday I don't know [TS]

01:13:59   what movie were enjoyed it with [TS]

01:14:02   reservations Phil just want to get that [TS]

01:14:03   out there are and you know the people or [TS]

01:14:07   less into it the thing is is happy to me [TS]

01:14:11   this is one of the rare old movie clubs [TS]

01:14:13   where I'm not walking away wondering why [TS]

01:14:15   I exist so right [TS]

01:14:17   excellent so that's great success we've [TS]

01:14:19   done well thanks to you and let me thank [TS]

01:14:21   the members of our panel for for joining [TS]

01:14:24   us [TS]

01:14:24   Erica and sign thank you thank you for [TS]

01:14:27   having me along you wage slaves [TS]

01:14:29   dear lord thank you thank you and keep [TS]

01:14:33   watching the old movies [TS]

01:14:37   these movies are old r day dr. drank [TS]

01:14:40   thank you thank you [TS]

01:14:42   always a pleasure Jason likewise Monty [TS]

01:14:45   Ashley thank you [TS]

01:14:46   man forget hanky mama goes to wipe those [TS]

01:14:48   deep cuts Steve let's thank you [TS]

01:14:53   my pleasure Jason I don't want to brag [TS]

01:14:55   but I still have that dimple and in the [TS]

01:14:57   same place and fill Michaels i just want [TS]

01:15:02   to remind you there are no enemies and [TS]

01:15:04   science professor only cats [TS]

01:15:07   yeah yeah yeah we should stop candies [TS]

01:15:13   and thanks to everybody out there [TS]

01:15:14   listening to the old movie club before [TS]

01:15:17   negro [TS]

01:15:19   we'll see you again next week [TS]

01:15:26   captain's got some funny ideas about [TS]

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